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TSaurora97
post Dec 26 2008, 05:06 PM, updated 11 months ago

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Contents:

Section A
1. Introduction
2. Objects and Purpose
3. Disclaimer

Section B
1. First Day At Work
2. Exiting a Company
3. Pre-resignation (tendering resignation phase)

Section C
1. Employment Act 1955 (applicability)
2. Resigning Without (or sufficient) Notice
3. Salary or EPF or PCB (Potongan Cukai Bulanan) not paid.

Section D (added 24/6/14)
1. Industrial Relation Act 1967 (in progress/researching)

Section F (added 24/6/14)
Appendix A
Sample of Resignation Letter

Appendix B
More Resignation Letters Sample

Appendix C
Termination/Release Letters

Appendix D
Useful Links

Appendix E
References


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Section F
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post Dec 26 2008, 05:28 PM

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actually many people do not realize that their one month notice takes effect on the date of the resignation letter being tendered but I agree most people would think that they can just offset their notices by using their Annual Leave. It also becomes more complicated if you are working on shift while the HR counts your leaves as per normal working days etc...
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This is a very good thread.. Thanks!!
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post Dec 26 2008, 06:35 PM

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U forgot to put in the part where your supposed to lie about the reason why your leaving the company if the HR person or boss asks you.
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post Dec 26 2008, 10:16 PM

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IMO this thread is good. It should even be pinned for that matter due simply to its usefulness in the days to come.
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post Dec 26 2008, 11:22 PM

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I have some concern regarding this, can I withdraw my resignation?

Let say after I have tendered my resignation, i found something not right with the offer or the new company withdraw the offer.. Is't possible for me to cancel or withdraw and to continue working in current company?
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I am going to look through and to get a "collection of resignation scenarios" from Forumners who have posted their issues, will continue to refine and filter the pages for some good advice not only my own but the advice of many other forumners who contributed.

Making resignation a blessing rather than a pain in the A$$...

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Scenario 1
Want to Resign, but have some issue.., Annual Leave issue
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/885901

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QUOTE(Riki1 @ Dec 24 2008, 11:12 PM)
Hi All, currently I want to resign and i have left about 10+ Annual leave.
Here is the problem which is I'll nit to give 1 month notice to my current company for resignation, if not they will nit to penalty me for 1 month salary, it is stated in the contract.

So, i request to place my 10+ Annual leave to offset the 1 month notice period but HR said the company policy is Annual Leave cannot be used to offset the resignation notice, but this kind of policy did not indicated in my contract.

Now even i wan to apply leave, but supervisor rejected my request and she said that during resignation period i cant apply leave. 

So i nit to get some advise and comment from u guys, since this company policy did not indicated in my contract, so can i juz leave after 3 weeks? will they send any lawyer letter to me n penalty me for 1 month salary?

( I had give the resignation letter on 18 Dec and I am going to leave on 3 Jan 09, I already stated this request in my resignation letter )

Thanks


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Scenario 2 "Sacking" like what Donald trump does "Your FIRED"

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Scenario 4 (oops!)Resign without giving sufficient notice ..., Really need to pay back ?
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/600998?hl

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I ask on behalf of my friend .

His salary is Rm 1,800. He is required to give 2 MONTHS notice b4 resign. He just receive a job (KPLI/DPLI) & need to sign in after 2 weeks. (government always LAST minute  )

So, he only can give 2 weeks notice to the co. (2 months is required)
Therefore , he need to Pay BACK 1. 5 months (around RM 2,700) to the company.

He don't wan to play fair bcause he just get confirmed one month ago.. (I know, should pay back, but if not pay back, whats the consequence?) DO u think the company will sue him ? So, even SUE, need to wait for HAlf Year, One year ?? I doubt company will bring it up.... And HR staff responsible may already left the co.

**ps, 2 months notice is IN the contract & got employment letter !!


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Scenario 5 "Resignation during probationary period"
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/884753?h

Good advice:

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Scenario 6 "Need Advice of Resignation Letter" Part II ---lookin for part one
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/857019

Commentary:
quite a good reading but yet to know conclusion of the matter, if you read this you might end up hanging in mid air.

Provided your performing well in your task, meeting targets and doing reasonably well (dont need exceptional) than obviously there is no grounds to sack a good staff.

3 years working in the same company in a hostile manager.

Checklist
1. was there any written appraisal done on your performance?
2. was there a warning letter given on poor performance prior?
3. Any sort of diciplinary hearing or letters?

Note that any attempt by a manager if verbally spoken to force an employee to resign from a company can be intepreted as a threat or intention to sack an emplyee. You may want to record the time and date and the actual words spoken to you.

Interesting I didnt know there was a 13th Month Salary?
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Scenario 7 " if signed already reject the offer,how?, any law can sue me? "
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/830373

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Scenario 8 "Resignation"
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=821489&hl=

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Scenario 9 "The Best Way To Resign, Don't burn bridges!!! "
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=527205&hl

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Scenario 10 "Want to Resign, Got 19 days leave., What if the company wont let me go early"
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=417628&hl

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Scenario 11 "resign letter"
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=333298&hl

~Contains a link to sample resignation letters, use with care may or may not be suitable and dont use blindly.
See my snippet here =

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Scenario 12 "What to do if company refused to let me resign?, Career "
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=329228&h

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Scenario 13 " How to write a resign letter ?, anyone know the format? or what to write"
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=277277&hl

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Scenario 14"[WTA]how to write a resign letter?, can anyone teach me?"
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/260742?hl

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Scenario 15 " Retrenchment, cut salary, is your company doing so? "
SOS

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Scenario 16 "Sued for Leaving [Company]"
SOS

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Scenario 17 "> Resign without giving sufficient notice ..., Really need to pay back ? "
SOS

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Scenario 18 "Ask To Leave By Employer, I was ask to leave by my Finance Manager"
SOS

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Scenario 20 ""If you did not sign the confirmation letter, are you considered a confirm staff or probationary?"
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By Rexit
Scenario 21 "Asked to resign after end of probation, & take new offer letter. Labor law issue"
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By Naive Lady
Scenario 22 "Medical Treatment After Resign, still entitled?"
SOS

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By Abudin
Scenario 23 "Confirm or Resign"
SOS

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Scenario 24 "Salary not paid, long notice period"
SOS

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Extract written by Aurora97
Note: Not only did he Not get his SALARY, his EPF wasn't paid either!
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By Monochrome
Scenario 25 "Resignation doubts" -its much more than this
SOS

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Scenario 26 "Employer didn't remit tax to income tax department"
SOS

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Scenario 27 "How to write appeal letter to my HR depart, anyone write this kind of letter before. "
SOS

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-Assuming this is the answeR?

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Scenario 28 " Re-sign 's notice period., I am TRAPPED !! "
SOS

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By abubin (Employer's perspective.)
Scenario 29 "Job handover after resignation issues, need advice"
SOS

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By firvictory7
Scenario 30 "Resignation issue, Manager dont accept payment notice "
SOS




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post Dec 27 2008, 01:29 AM

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well if u already told ur colleagues u will leave they will ask why are u still here ?
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QUOTE(crapp0 @ Dec 26 2008, 06:35 PM)
U forgot to put in the part where your supposed to lie about the reason why your leaving the company if the HR person or boss asks you.
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I am interest on this too tongue.gif Are we simply tell the truth or have to come out with a "nice" reason?
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QUOTE(Find The Way @ Dec 27 2008, 11:34 PM)
I am interest on this too tongue.gif Are we simply tell the truth or have to come out with a "nice" reason?
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depend on situation. juz giv a solid reason.
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Actually there is no requirement to give any reasons as to why a person is resigning from a company, in fact it is better to keep it short and just say in my contract it provides for me to terminate this relationship.

Drawing from my experience...

That is what i did. I resign from the company because i disagreed with what the company was doing, as a professional and a person with some legal background i felt unease because the management had acted in away that contravene my conscience.

My boss, my colleagues and everyone else had told me to stay for another 2 mths (making it one year of service with the company). I refused, no one knew why i resigned only a hand full of ppl knew until today nobody knows.

My boss had 3 exit meetings with my boss..
1. was during tendering of my resignation letter which was about 20mins worth of lecturing. (life lesson)
2. the second one was another 20 mins worth of lecturing. (life lesson... bs)
3. the final one was the hardest, he got the VP to join him to question/more like interogate me. I had to tahan for 45mins before he released my termination letter to me. It was the longest day of my life and a lot of WHY this and WHY that.

I felt guilty at the same time relief, I couldnt believe it I was almost driven to tears by my boss cause i was so unwilling to leave but i had made up my mind. I had spent 1 month and also talking to my parents, friends about resigning that prepared me for this eventuality.

---> Happy eending?

Though i resigned, my boss was kind enough to speak with another boss from another dept whom I had dealt with regularly. I was a bit reluctant to take up the job, but it was what I was looking for and hope to do. So here I am still with the same company and left smiling thanks to my boss.

In the end, My boss still maintained that I left because i had some issues with my immediate boss. Well she was difficult but not that difficult of a person.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Dec 26 2008, 11:30 PM)
Seriously after you resign you serious won't want to go back to the same company, u will leave a very very bad impression among your colleagues and management. May even affect your chances of promotion, appraisal and benefits because management already know your a jumper.
Then, there are those who's actually left. And then came back after a couple months/years. In my place with 200+ employees, we have a few who's in their 2nd, or even 3rd terms with us. This includes my current boss, who quit a few years back to start his own company, but it didn't work out and he came back. He was #6 when he quit. Now he's #2. Which is as high as he's going to get, cause #1 is the main share holder.
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This is what i received from Ice, the question above is in relations to a career choice not about resignation.

For career choice, no one can make the decision for you but yourself. Unfortunately, i am unable to advice you on your scenario since I would consider it as being out of topic. Try starting a new thread instead, let other assist you on this.

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my company is practisin the LIFO. my colleague got to resign coz she'e the last one to enter our company. i pity her. she's still on probationary period. if for her case, how is she gonna apply work again? if the new company asked why resign, how? she can't say due to bad economy rite?
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QUOTE(mrsbrightside @ Dec 30 2008, 03:28 PM)
my company is practisin the LIFO. my colleague got to resign coz she'e the last one to enter our company. i pity her. she's still on probationary period. if for her case, how is she gonna apply work again? if the new company asked why resign, how? she can't say due to bad economy rite?
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thats pretty strange for a company to practice LIFO, but did the company issue some sort of release letter explaining why they had resorted to terminating her employment? It would be unfair for her to be terminated at such a short period, was it because of performance issues, diciplinary or other issues? Probationary staff position isnt the same like a temporary or a part time staff, I would imagine that it is slightly more advantageous to be a probationary staff. Well I am not sure what her contract states but was she compensated say 1 week, 2 weeks or 1 month pay in advance?

If your company terminates her employment and within few months re-hires someone else of the same position, than there must be something fishy going on.

Well its kinda vague cant say much...
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mrsbrightside is right. I typed the word wrongly, should be last in first out. In accordance to the contract of appointment, the organisation could terminate the staff during probationary period without furnishing any reason.

Aurora97, you got the point. is about the career choice, is really not as simple as not liking one place and move on to another. That's why i am having big time headache.
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Hi,

How if the a company fires an employee and agree to give the termination letter. However until the day the employee should leave, he still havent get the letter..? The company just dragging and dragging..
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QUOTE(wister @ Jan 4 2009, 07:11 PM)
Hi,

How if the a company fires an employee and agree to give the termination letter. However until the day the employee should leave, he still havent get the letter..? The company just dragging and dragging..
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Well simple, the person should just write in to the company reminding them that they have yet to issue him/her the letter of release/termination.

Make sure send by AR Registered Post/By hand, give them 14 days to reply to your letter and also 3 reminders which are standard.

To insert as well...

Should the company fails to release my termination letter, I shall not be held responsible and/or liable to indemnify the company should there be any loss or damages arising out of or in connection during my term of employment for the failure or default by your officer to issue me my termination letter.

Further to the aforesaid, should the company not revert to me in relations to this matter. I shall deem the company's silence and/or waiver as though it has issued me my termination letter. Should there be any loss or damages as a result of the none issuance of my termination letter, the company shall be held liable to indemnify me as a result of your officer failing or defaulted in his duty to issue me my termination letter.

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Meaning of this letter...

First Part...

Termination letter is important to signify an end between your relationship with the company, so it is imperative that you get your termination letter. Who knows your company maybe up to no good or something fishy, if there is nothing to hide why not issue you your termination letter in the first placE?

So basically the is to save your skin, you dont want the company to come after you 2 years after whilst your with another company do you?

And to remind them how incompetent their HR dept is.

Now the 2nd part...

Is also to cover your skin, if they want to play under the belt tactics by not issuing you your termination letter so be it. Make them liable for not issuing your letter of termination.

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what is the company withheld the employee private property without permission? even the the person have already sent letter claim of its items?

Can the company terminate the person and clear his/her personal item without the person present on site?

Please advice
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QUOTE(antzan @ Jan 11 2009, 11:42 PM)
what is the company withheld  the employee private property without permission? even the the person have already sent letter claim of its items?

Can the company terminate the person and clear his/her personal item without the person present on site?

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Well speaking on my personal opinion as a forumner, I am not very sure of the matter above so take it with a grain of salt...

First of all you have to tell me the reason for the persons termination, why has the company gone to such extreme lenghts to terminate a persons employment and to keep the person's personal items without the person present on site.

Scenario...
This scenario has be modified to protect the identity of the person involved...

The story goes A employee had access to "Company Letterheads", A had used "Company Letterheads" by means of forgery& unauthorised usage of the letterheads to take out a bank guarantee. When the Company found out, A was immediately escorted outside the Company's premises and termination was immediate. A did even have a chance to switch of his/her computer, not to mention collect those personal items.

This is because potentially anything on your personal items could be used as evidence against the person for civil/criminal proceedings depending on the damage or loss incurred as a result of the person acting in breach.

This is one example why a person needed to be escorted off the premises and private property being withheld without permission.

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but can they held personnal thing that not inter related to the job?No what so ever proof/evident being given.Only rumours.


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hye, my friend ask me a question, but i really dont know how to answer, can you help me?

he want to resign from A company, his relation with his boss and colleague at A company was really good. Then he get an offer from B company, the pay is higher then the company A give.

Then he told his boss that he want to resign to go to a new company with new experience. but then his boss counter back the salary that the company B offered but still less 15% from the new company offered.

Company A pro:
1- almost flexible hour, no punch card whatsoever.
2- friendly boss.
3- friendly colleague.
4- can kawtim your annual leave.
5- the boss give him a share 2% for his boss' new upcoming company (the company still not running until mid feb, so dunno the outcome)
6- if no project, can do anything.


Company A cons:
1- do the same things
2- distance from home to office quite far
3- you're the asset, you're the main core of the company, so anything is upon you.

Company B pro:
1- new experience
2- can learn new skill
3- MNC company
4- shorter distance from home to office (can save travel cost)
5- salary is a bit higher from what his boss counter back

Company B cons:
1- unknown environment
2- punch card, record time in and out
3- strict company policy (cannot use ym, surfing,blablabla)

Now he's in dilemma should he resign or just stay.


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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Dec 30 2008, 11:59 AM)
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This is what i received from Ice, the question above is in relations to a career choice not about resignation.

For career choice, no one can make the decision for you but yourself. Unfortunately, i am unable to advice you on your scenario since I would consider it as being out of topic. Try starting a new thread instead, let other assist you on this.
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CalmShot refer to the above.

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QUOTE(antzan @ Jan 14 2009, 02:12 PM)
but can they held personnal thing that not inter related to the job?No what so ever proof/evident being given.Only rumours.
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I dont know the full facts of the matter and I am randomly dispensing advice which could be inaccurate, not fact checked, illogical, random, false and so on.

Well rumour alone will no suffice enough to confiscate and sack an employee (assuming he/she is), what if the employee turns out t be innocent than they would be in a very big bowl of hot soup.

Nevertheless, the company should issue him/her a response as to why he/she is sacked and why the items have been confiscated. If no reason has been given and if action have been taken based on rumours alone... (assuming here cause i dont have the full facts)

He/She can...
1. Report to the labour dept (for inappropriate sacking, assuming so)
2. Lodge a police report (to claim back his/er personal items)
3. Do a statutory declaration to dispell the rumour. (will explain further if necessary)

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Dear All

I really need your opinions or helps here...

1. Can a company stop me or not to accept my resignation even i have given 1 month notice as per contract. When i tried to explain to the boss and inform him about my last day, the boss just ignore me and told me he has no time and will discuss this matter if the HR and my leader are in the office, which means 3 of them must be in the office. But now they are avoiding me...if he is in the office, the HR will take mc...

2. The company also refused to give the released letter even after numerous effort to ask for the letter. My boss just ask me to leave the office and ask me to do what ever i like..when i try to explain things, he said he doesn't have time and ask me to leave if i want to leave the company but they will not give the released letter..

3. Can the company hold the released letter even i have given enough notice (1 month as per contract) and offer to work for free for them if they can release the letter ...because without that letter i couldn't work with other company

4. Is the resignation valid if i email the resignation and put the hardcopy of the letter on his table (because he was outstation and not sure when will be back when i tender my resignation)...

Now i am stucked and I really need your urgent reply, because i do not know what to do now....

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QUOTE(gilmoregirl54 @ Jan 19 2009, 05:45 PM)
Dear All

I really need your opinions or helps here...

1. Can a company stop me or not to accept my resignation even i have given 1 month notice as per contract. When i tried to explain to the boss and inform him about my last day, the boss just ignore me and told me he has no time and will discuss this matter if the HR and my leader are in the office, which means 3 of them must be in the office. But now they are avoiding me...if he is in the office, the HR will take mc...

2. The company also refused to give the released letter even after numerous effort to ask for the letter. My boss just ask me to leave the office and ask me to do what ever i like..when i try to explain things, he said he doesn't have time and ask me to leave if i want to leave the company but they will not give the released letter..

3. Can the company hold the released letter even i have given enough notice (1 month as per contract) and offer to work for free for them if they can release the letter ...because without that letter i couldn't work with other company

4. Is the resignation valid if i email the resignation and put the hardcopy of the letter on his table (because he was outstation and not sure when will be back when i tender my resignation)...

Now i am stucked and I really need your urgent reply, because i do not know what to do now....

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After some consultation with my colleagues, your answers to your questions are as follows:

1. If your immediate boss or a superior doesn't accept your resignation letter, you can proceed to serve it on the HR Dept. Read back your contract, I am doubtful you need 3 superiors to be present to discuss your resignation from the company. Follow what is stated in your contract, if it only mentions you have to give 1 month notice to terminate your contract than 1 month notice would be more than sufficient.

Further to the above, I am doubtful a company can avoid or stop a person from resigning from a company should he/she choose to do so. So pass your resignation letter to HR Dept and have someone "Acknowledge receipt" [very important!!] and wait out your 1 month.

2. I just enquired with my colleague (who does IR/Employment related stuff) a release letter is not a must, if u have it, it just formalizes your termination but nothing more than that. If you don't have it, it won't jeapordize your career. So your termination letter will be very important to evidence that you had resigned from the company from your own chooosing and not because your left cause you were sacked or gone AWOL (leave without reason and joined another company).

3. Like i said in items 2. release letter isn't that important as it sounds [unless I may be wrong], so once you give your notice of 1 month and you have worked until the effective date of your termination your free to go.

4. Now I will not recommend anyone to send resignation by email or to send a hardcopy to your boss when your boss is not around:

To give ur resignation leave it on his desk when his not around=
a) Rude.
b) May create even more tension.
c) burning bridges.
d) no acknowledgement

Unless your absolute sure that handing in your resignation when your boss is not around is a good idea, I suggest that this mode be the very very very last option or avenue.

Email=
a) no one acknowledgement (might go into junk folder who knows.)

It's advisable if your not seeing eye to eye with your boss or ur boss is being an a$$ or for whatever the reason is, just give your termination letter to HR Dept. Make sure again that they acknowledged it so that your notice of termination will be effective the moment someone acknowledges and receives your letter.

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Problems?

I foresee only one issue, the company withold your salary on the grounds your termination wasnt valid. It's only the money issue will hold you back and they can threaten you with, thats why getting your termination letter & observing the terms of your employment contract is very important.

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Hi Aurora

Thank you very much for your reply...

Actually, before this i have tendered my resignation on november 28, 2008, by hand and face to face. On that day my boss asked me to consider and he gave back to me the resignation letter. My boss also told me, if i still want to proceed with resignation, he asked me to give the letter whenever i like.

My boss, seldom come to office...when i gave the letter to HR..they don't want to accept, and asked me to give the letter personally to my boss..i have been waiting for him to come for almost 2 weeks...i understand this has been very rude...but i have no choice...

In contract, it is not stated that 3 superiors must be in the office to discuss the resignation..and according to my contract, 1 month notice is required if resign.

for the whole week they have been avoiding me..if one superior come the other one will not come and the HR have been MC for the whole week, and my boss only come to office on last friday (the house is nearby our office) and

at last, last friday..he discussed this matter with me (without the other 2 superiors present).

He told me that he will not accept my resignation..and he gives me one condition if i want to leave: I have to find the person to replace me and train that person, then only i can go off. Again..this condition is not stated in my contract.

For your info, i am not malaysian..i am working using visa...so that's why i require the released letter as requested by immigration to proceed my visa.

What should i do now?




QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 22 2009, 05:49 PM)
After some consultation with my colleagues, your answers to your questions are as follows:

1. If your immediate boss or a superior doesn't accept your resignation letter, you can proceed to serve it on the HR Dept. Read back your contract, I am doubtful you need 3 superiors to be present to discuss your resignation from the company. Follow what is stated in your contract, if it only mentions you have to give 1 month notice to terminate your contract than 1 month notice would be more than sufficient.

Further to the above, I am doubtful a company can avoid or stop a person from resigning from a company should he/she choose to do so. So pass your resignation letter to HR Dept and have someone "Acknowledge receipt" [very important!!] and wait out your 1 month.

2. I just enquired with my colleague (who does IR/Employment related stuff) a release letter is not a must, if u have it, it just formalizes your termination but nothing more than that. If you don't have it, it won't jeapordize your career. So your termination letter will be very important to evidence that you had resigned from the company from your own chooosing and not because your left cause you were sacked or gone AWOL (leave without reason and joined another company).

3. Like i said in items 2. release letter isn't that important as it sounds [unless I may be wrong], so once you give your notice of 1 month and you have worked until the effective date of your termination your free to go.

4. Now I will not recommend anyone to send resignation by email or to send a hardcopy to your boss when your boss is not around:

To give ur resignation leave it on his desk when his not around=
a) Rude.
b) May create even more tension.
c) burning bridges.
d) no acknowledgement

Unless your absolute sure that handing in your resignation when your boss is not around is a good idea, I suggest that this mode be the very very very last option or avenue.

Email=
a) no one acknowledgement (might go into junk folder who knows.)

It's advisable if your not seeing eye to eye with your boss or ur boss is being an a$$ or for whatever the reason is, just give your termination letter to HR Dept. Make sure again that they acknowledged it so that your notice of termination will be effective the moment someone acknowledges and receives your letter.

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Problems?

I foresee only one issue, the company withold your salary on the grounds your termination wasnt valid. It's only the money issue will hold you back and they can threaten you with, thats why getting your termination letter & observing the terms of your employment contract is very important.
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QUOTE(gilmoregirl54 @ Jan 28 2009, 01:00 PM)
Hi Aurora

Thank you very much for your reply...

Actually, before this i have tendered my resignation on november 28, 2008, by hand and face to face. On that day my boss asked me to consider and he gave back to me the resignation letter. My boss also told me, if i still want to proceed with resignation, he asked me to give the letter whenever i like.

My boss, seldom come to office...when i gave the letter to HR..they don't want to accept, and asked me to give the letter personally to my boss..i have been waiting for him to come for almost 2 weeks...i understand this has been very rude...but i have no choice...

In contract, it is not stated that 3 superiors must be in the office to discuss the resignation..and according to my contract, 1 month notice is required if resign.

for the whole week they have been avoiding me..if one superior come the other one will not come and the HR have been MC for the whole week, and my boss only come to office on last friday (the house is nearby our office) and

at last, last friday..he discussed this matter with me (without the other 2 superiors present).

He told me that he will not accept my resignation..and he gives me one condition if i want to leave: I have to find the person to replace me and train that person, then only i can go off. Again..this condition is not stated in my contract.

For your info, i am not malaysian..i am working using visa...so that's why i require the released letter as requested by immigration to proceed my visa.

What should i do now?
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In contract, it is not stated that 3 superiors must be in the office to discuss the resignation..and according to my contract, 1 month notice is required if resign.

There you have it, your contract already stated that you need only to give 1 months notice to resign. Tender you resignation letter whether to HR Dept or your boss, if they refuse to accept forward your complaint to the Labour Dept and let them deal with your irresponsible boss and HR Dept.

For your info, i am not malaysian..i am working using visa...so that's why i require the released letter as requested by immigration to proceed my visa.

This is the tricky part, my assumption was base on the idea you were actually a Malaysian Citizen. I am concern that if you should terminate your employment, you will be required to return to your coountry of origin within X period of time unless an extension is granted?

You may want to seek assistance from the labour dept to assist you on this matter, if you still want to work in Malaysia. Otherwise, you maybe force to return to you home country.

*oh and by the way this is pure kopitiam opinion and shooting from random angles have never dealt with foreigners employment problems be4 doh.gif *

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Hi, can I know whether I'm allowed to utilize my annual leave during my notice period. According to my HR, the annual leave is on a pro-rata basis, is that right refer to Labour Law? Thanks
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Hi, can I know whether I'm allowed to utilize my annual leave during my notice period. According to my HR, the annual leave is on a pro-rata basis, is that right refer to Labour Law? Thanks
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hmmm this one is a frequently asked question, need to do a research on this.

From my knowledge anyway, certain companies may or may not allow you to utilize ur annual leave during the notice period or they may require you to serve out your notice period and your annual leave be converted to cash or like u said annual leave to be pro-rated.

by the way it may be a matter of company policy how they decide how you can utilize your annual leave.

In the meantime, what you can do is to request from your HR where is the procedure or policy for such action just to be extra extra sure.

I will need to double check on this for u.
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Hi Guys,

I'm new here in this forum, but i wanna ask about my problem...

I'm currently working as permenant staff in company A less than a week. My probation is 6 month. Can i resign within that probation, let say i've got better offer and salary from company B? How am i going to tender the resignation to head department in working less than a month? Is the head will scold me for leaving? How am i gonna answer the questions from him?

FYI, for the period of 6 month probation, i will get 14 days period but i cant get entitlement leave (my annual leave 23 days per year). I felt i need to leave because i can't see me working same task everyday.

Please guys, help me.

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QUOTE(Dead4Life @ Feb 24 2009, 02:42 AM)
Hi Guys,

I'm new here in this forum, but i wanna ask about my problem...

I'm currently working as permenant staff in company A less than a week. My probation is 6 month. Can i resign within that probation, let say i've got better offer and salary from company B? How am i going to tender the resignation to head department in working less than a month? Is the head will scold me for leaving? How am i gonna answer the questions from him?

FYI, for the period of 6 month probation, i will get 14 days period but i cant get entitlement leave (my annual leave 23 days per year). I felt i need to leave because i can't see me working same task everyday.

Please guys, help me.

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omg i replied to this thread be4, let me figure out what i have typed willl reply accordingly... "read missing post"

To Dead4Life,
i remember u asked me something abt something with regards to my earlier posting, do u remember it?!?
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Feb 25 2009, 02:37 PM)
omg i replied to this thread be4, let me figure out what i have typed willl reply accordingly... "read missing post"

To Dead4Life,
i remember u asked me something abt something with regards to my earlier posting, do u remember it?!?
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Aiyaa..forgot already..hahaha...but i reply back on your feedback and said like this...

I'm working in less than a month in company A and i've got a offer by another company B (big company)...in my employee's contract stated ..(for employees on probation, the notice of termination by either the Management or the employee shall be 14 days in writing or pay in lieu thereof)...i dunno about the meaning stated "in writing"...i'm may not going to get entitlement leave with the anuual leave i've got (23)...

You did mention about how i'm gonna face to send the reisgnation letter to manager and the colleagues there....u did give me some points but i forgot..ahaha..

so what do i need to do after i send the resignation letter to boss? I'm worried about this...please help me again ehehe...

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QUOTE(Dead4Life @ Feb 25 2009, 07:16 PM)
Aiyaa..forgot already..hahaha...but i reply back on your feedback and said like this...

I'm working in less than a month in company A and i've got a offer by another company B (big company)...in my employee's contract stated ..(for employees on probation, the notice of termination by either the Management or the employee shall be 14 days in writing or pay in lieu thereof)...i dunno about the meaning stated "in writing"...i'm may not going to get entitlement leave with the anuual leave i've got (23)...

You did mention about how i'm gonna face to send the reisgnation letter to manager and the colleagues there....u did give me some points but i forgot..ahaha..

so what do i need to do after i send the resignation letter to boss? I'm worried about this...please help me again ehehe...

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Just to clarify why i forgot what i said...
I forgot what I have typed and written caused of crash that wiped out some of my replies.

The assumption is tyhat your still under probation caused you said "less than a month", well than basically u just give 14 days written notice to the management to terminate your employment.

Unless you have earned your leave only than u will get your entitlement, that means you work for 1 month you get 1 day annual leave (depending on calculation 1 month is just an example).

Well i think i did say...
*this on the assumption that you have not received any offers from any other companies yet*

Talking is good, so talk to your boss first...
1. you did mention the job was pretty monotonous, boring etc... along that lines. You should approach your superior try and convey your concerns to him, see if he can assign you to other task that maybe of interest to you. If your superior can accomodate your request give it a shot and see what happens, you may or may not like it at least u wont leave a bad taste with your employers.

Enuf talking, time to go...
2. if u really feel like leaving, then tender your resignation accordingly by submitting it personally to your superior. On an urgent basis should your boss becomes unavailable or is away fro extended period, you can submit it to HR manager. It may be rude, on urgent basis it is acceptable.
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hi..i have some question that confuse me... cry.gif
i plan to resign in this coming May and i need to give one month notice..so..lets say if i resign on 1st April..that means my last day is 31th May right?
but during this month, am i entitle to any study leave if my exam is on the 1st of june?is it depends on my company policy?

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hi guys i've been reading the thread but have not found an answer to my problem

situation

i'm planning to resign asap i've got another job waiting for me on the 1st of april ... i have not signed the thing and i can actually get an extension on the commencement date ... my salary is 3k gross and net is about 2.6k my company is small and has no HR department but it is a sister company to a bigger entity base on my contract, i have to give a 1 month notice ... my plan is to actually take 2 weeks off to work on my own business .... so the thing i am worried about is

a. if i quit now and i get my salary on the 31st and then don't come in from the 1st of april onwards ... can they sue me and will the go through the hassle of suing me for 15 days of salary?

b. if they don't give me my salary on the 31st, can i sue them and will it be a hassle for me?

c. if i just give a 24 hr notice on the 31st, what are the consequences?

sorry guys if my questions are vague ... really need help thanks smile.gif

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some ppl mentioned about the contract of service is btw u and the company. that make sense. ur immediate boss is merely another employee and also a human which is possible an PR asset /bridge for u hence ur action toward him/her is merely of a cordial aspect/jaga relation etc. not so much on legality

the resign letter is to direc to the HR dept/mgr, and cc to ur superior. the addres of ur letter is of the company that hire u in ur offer letter head



QUOTE(helpmeresign @ Mar 12 2009, 11:04 AM)
hi guys i've been reading the thread but have not found an answer to my problem

situation

i'm planning to resign asap i've got another job waiting for me on the 1st of april ... i have not signed the thing and i can actually get an extension on the commencement date ... my salary is 3k gross and net is about 2.6k my company is small and has no HR department but it is a sister company to a bigger entity base on my contract, i have to give a 1 month notice ... my plan is to actually take 2 weeks off to work on my own business .... so the thing i am worried about is

a. if i quit now and i get my salary on the 31st and then don't come in from the 1st of april onwards ... can they sue me and will the go through the hassle of suing me for 15 days of salary?

b. if they don't give me my salary on the 31st, can i sue them and will it be a hassle for me?

c. if i just give a 24 hr notice on the 31st, what are the consequences?

sorry guys if my questions are vague ... really need help thanks smile.gif
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this is quite a tricky part in the sense that the company might hold ur salary.

if both sides play fair, meaning u fulfill their requirement of resgination i.e. clearance/handover/exit forms n ur boss doesnt intend to torture u by getting HR not to release ur pay, s/he has his ways, u may get ur salary in piece lol.

provided the above condition, if u tender mid march, n work upto 31st. sure u get full march salary but deduct 15days for days u didnt serve i.e. 15mar -15apr. so in effect u get only 15days pay for march

if u did serve till 15 apr, u get full march salary AND entitle for apr 15 days extra salary. that again is subject to my earliest para. unless in the first place u managed to arrange with ur new company to start on 15 april so to speak, u wudnt hv this problem.


ive not the exp in suing or getting sue but i dont think its worthy. one can call me coward/uninformed employee but i rather not go there.




guys,

i myself have a prob. my direct sup is a nasty lady at office. as a character, i think she's slightly better abit. i cleared my work on the last day, n gotten clereance signatures from all other dept heads.

the only outstanding is my direct sup she hasnt signed it using excuse need to chek my outstanding n knot simply sign. HR said ive to personally follow up and 'claimed' that if i were to leave without black record, apparently, ive to finish the procedures which clearly isnt a problm to me. not so much on salary- merely couple of days after deducting my inlieu of notice.

not very serious case though just curious if any1 experinced this b4


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hi everyone,

i'm stuck in a company with so unprofessional and unproper management of boss..
trying to get other job but luck still not on my side.

got interview last week, but unsuccessful. juz wondering, how to answer 'Why do you want to look for another job' question?

honestly, i really didn't know how to lie. my answer; to gain more experience and expand knowledge are not sufficient enough to convince them...

anyone can help? icon_question.gif

many thanks in advance... thumbup.gif

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hi everyone,

i'm stuck in a company with so unprofessional and unproper management of boss..
trying to get other job but luck still not on my side.

got interview last week, but unsuccessful. juz wondering, how to answer 'Why do you want to look for another job' question?

honestly, i really didn't know how to lie. my answer; to gain more experience and expand knowledge are not sufficient enough to convince them...

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The rule of thumb is...
I think its better to be honest rather than to lie to the interviewer, if your giving other answers he/she may feel that your more like a job hoper for increment rather than honest looking to stay with the company permanently.

thought on the exception side...
if u really liek the company or its a big MNC... a bit of discretion may be required to (*ahem*) lie.

how?
1. do rehersals, practice in your mind the points that you may want to put forward.
2. have a few point that lead to different conclusions.
3. make sure each probing question made to your answer has another answer to your answer...

Example:

Scenario 1
A: Why do you look for this job?
B: because of poor management and unprofessional staff
A: so what makes you think the management in this company is better?
B: i have done reviews, read your annual reports, checked newspaper clipping, enquire with my friends who work with your company... bla bla bla..

*oh btw i wasnt entire honest with my job but i got it anyway .. lol

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many thanks aurora for your reply.

actually, i already done that. they asked me that question...
then i start talking blah, blah, blah...told them everything...about my company...

i also done some research on the new company n also my friend is staff there.
and i told everything good about them than my current cmpny

but, the same evening, i got the-unsuccessful-email from the cmpny hr... cry.gif

i heard once that its not a good thing to tell the interviewer bad thing about your current cmpny...
i broke that rule bcoz i thought i juz want to be honest...

so, is it i must create a lie or stay honest? or it is just not my rezeki...?

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QUOTE(kiox @ Apr 7 2009, 07:07 PM)
many thanks aurora for your reply.

actually, i already done that. they asked me that question...
then i start talking blah, blah, blah...told them everything...about my company...

i also done some research on the new company n also my friend is staff there.
and i told everything good about them than my current cmpny

but, the same evening, i got the-unsuccessful-email from the cmpny hr... cry.gif

i heard once that its not a good thing to tell the interviewer bad thing about your current cmpny...
i broke that rule bcoz i thought i juz want to be honest...

so, is it i must create a lie or stay honest? or it is just not my rezeki...?
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so, is it i must create a lie or stay honest? or it is just not my rezeki...?

Hmm,

think of it like this...

your a doctor in a hospital and this patient A of yours got cancer and will die in 1 month time left...

Scenario 1
A is someone who cannot accept reality, very afraid of dying and so on...

Do you tell him the truth?

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Telling the truth or lie for that matter are assets that can be manipulated in your favour, the only caveat probably would be to use your own discretion.

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As always i would encourage strongly that you always tell the truth.

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Hi aurora, I have an urgent question. I tendered on 1st April and stated my last day to be May 31st as i need to serve 2 mths notice. But I have now decided to leave earlier. Is it prudent to write them a letter now stating that I will only be serving the remainder of my 1st mth notice and compensating one mth's salary in lieu of the 2nd month's notice period? Will my last day effectively be 30th April?
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QUOTE(HotGimmick @ Apr 8 2009, 12:50 AM)
Hi aurora, I have an urgent question. I tendered on 1st April and stated my last day to be May 31st as i need to serve 2 mths notice. But I have now decided to leave earlier. Is it prudent to write them a letter now stating that I will only be serving the remainder of my 1st mth notice and compensating one mth's salary in lieu of the 2nd month's notice period? Will my last day effectively be 30th April?
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My 2 cents...

Well anything that is different from the negotiated contract probably you will need to seek management approval, some may be willing to let you go because there isn't any urgent matter at hand or because there are ample people queuing around the corner for your job. If otherwise, its unlike that the company will let you go without serving out the full notice unless exemption granted by management.

so i would say in ur case is management's call whether they allow u to depart early or otherwise.
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Harlo Aurara, i have a situation here. I have been joining a chinaman company for 1 month. And i found out that, i am doing something different from i have been told during interview. I had tried to told to my superior and her answer is that currently they have shortage (man power) in certain dept, they wan me to fill in the post 1st until they hire some1. Since my background is engineering but i doing programing stuff in my company, i feel very tense most of the time.

So i plan to submit my resignation letter. since i still under 3 month probation.

Under Term of probation , the company have the right to give me 24 hrs notice due to poor performance, misconduct and so on. Does this mean that, i have the right to to tender my resignation, is it mean it take 24 hrs to work out?

And also,under Term of Resignation after my probation period , the offer letter also state that if i resign, i need to tender 3 month notice.

So, i am quiet blur on this ?

Any advice on this matter ?

thanks in advance.


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the Company has the right to giv u 24 hrs notice, but not you.

and the 3 month notice is upon confirmation.


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the Company has the right to giv u 24 hrs notice, but not you.

and the 3 month notice is upon confirmation.
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So, if i give notice during probation, how long it will Active? 1 month?
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Hi everybody.. icon_question.gif

Im facing a hard time right now. Really need opinions from u guys..

My current situation is like tis, I juz got offered a government post. N as norm, my company needs me to giv 1 month notice b4 i can officially leave. so i gave the notice on 1/4/2009 tat wil become effective on 1st on May. but the problem is, i hv to report duty to my new job on the 24th of April. So i decided to take ealier leave, tat wil be on tis coming 18th, and, my blood-sucking manager-cum-boss-son ask me to compensate the company as i hv to leave before the effective date. So i asked him how much do i hv to pay back to the company, n he said tat my salary (which is MONTHLY-BASIS) wil be deducted into 26 days per month, n he said tat its normal. No pay on Sundays i assume...

i tried checking online on the Malaysian Labour Law, but couldnt get a firm answer by myself. is it really legal for employer not to pay salary for Sunday (as per rest-day, although in my contract they stated tat sunday shall be treated as rest day) to a monthly basis wages? (26 days instead of 30 days)

n i stil hv 2 days of annual leave(tat is up to April tis year). can i use it to deduct the amount of compensation tat i hv to pay to the company...

TIA smile.gif

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QUOTE(lactose_operon @ Apr 12 2009, 01:03 AM)
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Im facing a hard time right now. Really need opinions from u guys..

My current situation is like tis, I juz got offered a government post. N as norm, my company needs me to giv 1 month notice b4 i can officially leave. so i gave the notice on 1/4/2009 tat wil become effective on 1st on May. but the problem is, i hv to report duty to my new job on the 24th of April. So i decided to take ealier leave, tat wil be on tis coming 18th, and, my blood-sucking manager-cum-boss-son ask me to compensate the company as i hv to leave before the effective date. So i asked him how much do i hv to pay back to the company, n he said tat my salary (which is MONTHLY-BASIS) wil be deducted into 26 days per month, n he said tat its normal. No pay on Sundays i assume...

i tried checking online on the Malaysian Labour Law, but couldnt get a firm answer by myself. is it really legal for employer not to pay salary for Sunday (as per rest-day, although in my contract they stated tat sunday shall be treated as rest day) to a monthly basis wages? (26 days instead of 30 days)
n i stil hv 2 days of annual leave(tat is up to April tis year). can i use it to deduct the amount of compensation tat i hv to pay to the company...

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ur manager is right on the bolded text. yes, u can use ur annual leave to deduct against the compensation amount if ur co. allows u to do so..

is ther room for negotiation with ur boss?
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hi all,

would like to ask something...
my current contract has just expired, and the HR staff has passed me a letter to extend my contract for another 1 year, but I'm planning not to extend it...
however, the company is really having manpower shortage at the moment, so perhaps i'll stay for another 1-2 months...

my question:
-do i still need to fulfill my 3 months notice period as stated in the contract?
-if i decided not to extend my contract, should i handed in my resignation letter now?or i need to negotiate that with the HOD/HR?

that's all for now...
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if i wana resign from my current company with 24hour notice, should i give the letter in the morning @ after work? any1 reply asap plz icon_question.gif
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if i wana resign from my current company with 24hour notice, should i give the letter in the morning @ after work? any1 reply asap plz icon_question.gif
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If you ask me, I'll tell you no need.
But than, it's best to prepare ample time for the boss to do some shifting of responsibility.

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QUOTE(b00n @ Apr 20 2009, 12:39 PM)
If you ask me, I'll tell you no need.
But than, it's best to prepare ample time for the boss to do some shifting of responsibility.
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wut do u mean? coz in my current job, im doing nothing in da ofis, its like 'mkn gaji buta' u know, nothing much to b done. so plz gve me da exact answer. should i gv the letter in da morning @ after work?
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QUOTE(b00n @ Apr 20 2009, 12:39 PM)
If you ask me, I'll tell you no need.
But than, it's best to prepare ample time for the boss to do some shifting of responsibility.
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wut do u mean? coz in my current job, im doing nothing in da ofis, its like 'mkn gaji buta' u know, nothing much to b done. so plz gve me da exact answer. should i gv the letter in da morning @ after work?
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hi aurora 97, i am face some problem such as i am resign almost one weeks but i am still not get my salary because my boss intentional to delay my salary with no reason.
Actually all the story is like this, i am resign at 20th of april 2009 and give a SMS notice(probation period) and my position is product executive. My offer letter is didn't mention need to give 24 hour notice so thats why i am just give a SMS notice to my boss because that day i think is over angry and my boss is not in office so i am just SMS notice. In between the few days, me and my boss is discuss what's the reason for my leaving. I am just telling him i am over work for him because my job also need to responsible marketing,warranty issue,some admin jobs such like record the warranty item to warranty book,update the pricelist for the sales person,update the website for new product,purchasing and other as well (the one i am most don't like is i am need to doing like normal labour carry the shipment to warehouse when the container is arrive). then he give me a lot of reason say he want to expand he company la, so first i am need to do the job s as above i am mention just now with no actual date(mean i am don't know when my boss will hire another staff to handle the job such like warranty and marketing issue) bla bla bla....a lot reason is benefit for him( he can save a lot because hire one staff can responsible so many jobs and don't provide EPF funds also when the staff is still under probation). The end, he ask me to give a resignation letter to him and give some responsibility such like pass back the jobs i am not yet done to him(give some explanation to him about how to settle those jobs). So i am bring my resign letter to him another day, For my resign letter i am mention is termination of service to this company and he say this resign letter but he don't accept and he retype another resign letter for me and the content is mention i am cannot provide any information,secrecy,company materials,buisness strategy,customers database,product price struture,employee info and any form of materials to third party which may damages the goodwill,benefit and lost the his company and he will take legal action to me. So me also sign this letter then my boss say will remit my salary in a punctual time.
Until today is 7th of may 2009 i am still also not yet receive my salary without any reason because i am have call back to office asking the account department and they say boss want to hold my salary. So can you tell me what should i am do now?
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hi aurora 97, i am face some problem such as i am resign almost one weeks but i am still not get my salary because my boss intentional to delay my salary with no reason.
Actually all the story is like this, i am resign at 20th of april 2009 and give a SMS notice(probation period) and my position is product executive. My offer letter is didn't mention need to give 24 hour notice so thats why i am just give a SMS notice to my boss because that day i think is over angry and my boss is not in office so i am just SMS notice. In between the few days, me and my boss is discuss what's the reason for my leaving. I am just telling him i am over work for him because my job also need to responsible marketing,warranty issue,some admin jobs such like record the warranty item to warranty book,update the pricelist for the sales person,update the website for new product,purchasing and other as well (the one i am most don't like is i am need to doing like normal labour carry the shipment to warehouse when the container is arrive). then he give me a lot of reason say he want to expand he company la, so first i am need to do the job s as above i am mention just now with no actual date(mean i am don't know when my boss will hire another staff to handle the job such like warranty and marketing issue) bla bla bla....a lot reason is benefit for him( he can save a lot because hire one staff can responsible so many jobs and don't provide EPF funds also when the staff is still under probation). The end, he ask me to give a resignation letter to him and give some responsibility such like pass back the jobs i am not yet done to him(give some explanation to him about how to settle those jobs). So i am bring my resign letter to him another day, For my resign letter i am mention is termination of service to this company and he say this resign letter but he don't accept and he retype another resign letter for me and the content is mention i am cannot provide any information,secrecy,company materials,buisness strategy,customers database,product price struture,employee info and any form of materials to third party which may damages the goodwill,benefit and lost the his company and he will take legal action to me. So me also sign this letter then my boss say will remit my salary in a punctual time.
Until today is 7th of may 2009 i am still also not yet receive my salary without any reason because i am have call back to office asking the account department and they say boss want to hold my salary. So can you tell me what should i am do now?
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Frankly after termination i dont see any reason why your boss continue holding on to your salary, unless of course there is still some issue lingering.

1st step:
Make sure you keep your resignation letter (to be produce as evidence later on)
Will basically you will need to write to them asking for an explanation as to why ur salary has been withhold.

This letter you will need to get acknowledgement receipt and give them a specific timeline to reply say 14 days.

2nd step:
Go to labour dept and file your complain.

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hi aurora. i have an urgent question here. my contract with my current employer will be end on 7th June. provided in the offer letter stated that i must tender 1 month period of notice if i want to resign..my question is, if after my contract ended on the 7th june and they didnt offer me whether to extend my contract or confirmation do i need to tender my resign letter with one month notice period? or can i just resign within 24 hour?thanks in advance
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QUOTE(silhouette @ May 17 2009, 09:52 PM)
hi aurora. i have an urgent question here. my contract with my current employer will be end on 7th June. provided in the offer letter stated that i must tender 1 month period of notice if i want to resign..my question is, if after my contract ended on the 7th june and they didnt offer me whether to extend my contract or confirmation do i need to tender my resign letter with one month notice period? or can i just resign within 24 hour?thanks in advance
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I am assuming the following:

1. 1 year contract
2. ending 7th June 2009
3. tender 1 month notice to resign

Well this is what I am assuming cause i cannot see ur confirmation letter, (would prefer if u could give more details, especially whether ur contract mention anything about after the contract period?)

provided in the offer letter stated that i must tender 1 month period of notice if i want to resign.

reading this line aline i think u have to tender 1 month notice, regardless whether during or after the contracted period.

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Than again (I've asked a colleague of mine) if after the contracted period has expired, basically there's no more contract (provided they dont extend or continue or in other words "they kept quiet")..

Possibly u can tender 24hrs notice




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QUOTE(aurora97 @ May 18 2009, 02:16 PM)

Than again (I've asked a colleague of mine) if after the contracted period has expired, basically there's no more contract (provided they dont extend or continue or in other words "they kept quiet")..

Possibly u can tender 24hrs notice
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thanks aurora97!your answer has cleared my mind now rclxms.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
so i can tender 24 hrs notice as they tend to keep quiet till now.serve them right! brows.gif brows.gif
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hi, regarding the content of offer letter, if it does not state about the bonus, does it means that there's no bonus for that particular position?

please advice. thanks!
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hi, regarding the content of offer letter, if it does not state about the bonus, does it means that there's no bonus for that particular position?

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Wrong place to plaster your question, try posting it at Jobs & Careers...

Don;t want to derail the topic.
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Wrong place to plaster your question, try posting it at Jobs & Careers...

Don;t want to derail the topic.
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i'm sorry. i was reading the checklist for offer letter at the first page and i thought i could enquire bout the bonus in offer letter here. sorry ya..
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Hi aurora97....

Past 2 weeks, my managing director had force me to put my resignation leter and by mutual understanding and also by current prevailling structure, the notice of resignation period must be in 3 months, so i'll decide to put 3 months notice as per required by the Company Policy..but according to what i'm understanding about the Act 1955, it suppose to both written notice for the resignation period (stated also the last day of service)...until now i still didn't get the letter...so the problem is..

1. Actually i dont want to resign coz i want the HR Manager do the investigation first why they want to fire me...
2. Can i assume that they don't accept my resignation coz until to date i didn't received yet my Acceptance of Resignation?
3. Can i take action on the date (according to my letter that stated my last day of service) as a my first day notice becoz after 3 month, i assume HR Manager failed to accept my resignation notice?? (after the HR manager asked me to relieve)
4. My human resource are lack of expertise on the Malaysian Employment Act 1955 so frankly i want to teach them something regarding LAW...huhuh
5. What i understand i had the right to get payment in-liue if they want me to early dismiss and that is the thing i want before i relive my position as HR Officer.
6. If i drag my problem to the Labour Office, do i had strong case about the force to resign situation??

thank you in advance and hope to hear from u soon...
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I am absolutely frustrated.... I have submitted my resignation to my branch manager on the 15 May 2009. My last day if minus off the leave is on the 3 July 2009.

Till today he have not passed the letter to my admin to have them processed. I have asked my admin to take it from him immediately but he always brush off and said "ok ok i will find the letter... i misplaced". I mean WTF man........

I told my admin that i am leaving on the date and please get it from him ASAP..... Sigh.......why is it soooooooooo hard to just pass the f**king letter for processing?!!?!??!!?!!!

I wanted to pass the letter to admin / HR rather than to him. But i figured out of "respect" as he is a super duper f**king ego maniac so i passed it to him... and it was the norm for employees under his pants to pass letter to him for resignation...

What shall i do? Can i just leave when the time comes?

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Can u juz resubmit another letter to ur admin for them to process..


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Can u juz resubmit another letter to ur admin for them to process..
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Yea i did ask the admin / HR but was advised against it. Because it is his "nature" to hold back resignation letters by staffs until the last minute and he will usually call the staff in for discussion of the possibility of keeping them in the company again.....

But then i do not wish to hear such mambo jambo craps and just wanted to leave....

1st - I cannot stand his super ego attitude
2nd - I am having a much more better pay plus benefits in the upcoming company
3rd - I have been bearing with this for the past 4 years!!!!! I wanna go!!!!

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Just to share my current situation with everyone here. I'm working in the IT Dept in a Banking Industry. I'm enrolled as a Contract staff for a period of 6 mths and i'm currently in my 4th month of employment. I've already submitted my resignation letter on the 23rd of May 2009 giving a 1 month notice period which is stated as a requirement in my contract should i need to resign. And in good will instead of placing my last day on the 20+ of June, i mentioned that i'll work till the end of the month.

Reasons for me resigning includes :

A) Me being treated as a Despensible Employee by my Immediete Boss despite all the effort and performance shown(notified and acknowledge by other Senior Employees)

B) The Companies entire IT Dept is all messed up,unorganized and not systematic at all. This meaning that no specialization, and everyone does everything at everytime.

C) Not secured. Due to no offer to convert into a permanent staff due to certain reasons mentioned by my boss.

D) Contradiction between Actions taken and words spoken by my immediate boss.

I might not have managed to secure another job yet(as i've read and acknowledge that its better to leave only if you've manage to secure another job offer) but i've already submitted my CV to other companies and manage to spoke to a few of them.

One thing that i can never understand with my boss is that , one minute he doesn't give a s**t if i leave, and another minute he's like so despo for me to stay.

But i've already made up my mind to leave and i'm sticking with it to the end despite the consequences. I never knew resigning from a job can be such a pain in the a$$.

Quote from my boss " If you wish to leave, go ahead i'll not stop you. But bear in mind that with what i pay you , i can just hire another you from elsewhere."

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QUOTE(shawn2k4 @ Jun 5 2009, 07:38 PM)
Just to share my current situation with everyone here. I'm working in the IT Dept in a Banking Industry. I'm enrolled as a Contract staff for a period of 6 mths and i'm currently in my 4th month of employment. I've already submitted my resignation letter on the 23rd of May 2009 giving a 1 month notice period which is stated as a requirement in my contract should i need to resign. And in good will instead of placing my last day on the 20+ of June, i mentioned that i'll work till the end of the month.

Reasons for me resigning includes :

A) Me being treated as a Despensible Employee by my Immediete Boss despite all the effort and performance shown(notified and acknowledge by other Senior Employees)

B) The Companies entire IT Dept is all messed up,unorganized and not systematic at all. This meaning that no specialization, and everyone does everything at everytime.

C) Not secured. Due to no offer to convert into a permanent staff due to certain reasons mentioned by my boss.

D) Contradiction between Actions taken and words spoken by my immediate boss.

I might not have managed to secure another job yet(as i've read and acknowledge that its better to leave only if you've manage to secure another job offer) but i've already submitted my CV to other companies and manage to spoke to a few of them.

One thing that i can never understand with my boss is that , one minute he doesn't give a s**t if i leave, and another minute he's like so despo for me to stay.

But i've already made up my mind to leave and i'm sticking with it to the end despite the consequences. I never knew resigning from a job can be such a pain in the a$$.

Quote from my boss " If you wish to leave, go ahead i'll not stop you. But bear in mind that with what i pay you , i can just hire another you from elsewhere."
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Ermm.. contract staff is slightly different ball game...

you gave your reasons why you wanted to resign but not the terms and conditions of your contractual employment ...

for obvious reasons one can choose to resign at any time, the only problem is the part where you get penalized or serving out your notice period.


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QUOTE(2fast2furious @ Jun 4 2009, 10:05 AM)
I am absolutely frustrated.... I have submitted my resignation to my branch manager on the 15 May 2009. My last day if minus off the leave is on the 3 July 2009.

Till today he have not passed the letter to my admin to have them processed. I have asked my admin to take it from him immediately but he always brush off and said "ok ok i will find the letter... i misplaced". I mean WTF man........

I told my admin that i am leaving on the date and please get it from him ASAP..... Sigh.......why is it soooooooooo hard to just pass the f**king letter for processing?!!?!??!!?!!!

I wanted to pass the letter to admin / HR rather than to him. But i figured out of "respect" as he is a super duper f**king ego maniac so i passed it to him... and it was the norm for employees under his pants to pass letter to him for resignation...

What shall i do? Can i just leave when the time comes?

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if and when you do re-submit, well i suggest you to submit to both the Manager and HR dept. If possible get acknowledgement from at least one of them.

Another under handed tactic (whether it will work or not not sure but...), have a letter despatch to your own dept addressed to your manager and have the receptionist (or whomever) acknowledge the letter and let him/her receiptionist deliver to your boss.

No excuses for non-acceptance than.

You cant just walk away from your post even if you submitted your resignation letter, since you boss hasnt approve your resignation or informed the HR dept of your departure. (same as AWOL).

In any case, u got no proof that your boss has been constantly misplacing your notice unless of course your confirm in writing the following day. Than at least u can use it as proof.


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QUOTE(sipout @ May 26 2009, 12:39 PM)
Hi aurora97....

Past 2 weeks, my managing director had force me to put my resignation leter and by mutual understanding and also by current prevailling structure, the notice of resignation period must be in 3 months, so i'll decide to put 3 months notice as per required by the Company Policy..but according to what i'm understanding about the Act 1955, it suppose to both written notice for the resignation period (stated also the last day of service)...until now i still didn't get the letter...so the problem is..

1. Actually i dont want to resign coz i want the HR Manager do the investigation first why they want to fire me...
2. Can i assume that they don't accept my resignation coz until to date i didn't received yet my Acceptance of Resignation?
3. Can i take action on the date (according to my letter that stated my last day of service) as a my first day notice becoz after 3 month, i assume HR Manager failed to accept my resignation notice?? (after the HR manager asked me to relieve)
4. My human resource are lack of expertise on the Malaysian Employment Act 1955 so frankly i want to teach them something regarding LAW...huhuh
5. What i understand i had the right to get payment in-liue if they want me to early dismiss and that is the thing i want before i relive my position as HR Officer.
6. If i drag my problem to the Labour Office, do i had strong case about the force to resign situation??

thank you in advance and hope to hear from u soon...
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Before i begin, though the Act may say one thing, whilst your employment contract may say another... it may be varied if there's mutual consent between the parties.

Speaking generally, the law doesnt intervene in matters that have been contracted unless its grossly unfair (even so courts will rarely intervene).

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1. if you under investigation, than i don't see the reason any time during the period of investigation to "relieve" you from your position until such time the results of the investigation is out. the company can probably suspend but to the extent of sacking of a staff prior to the conclusion of an investigation... i doubt it.

2. verbal agreement between whomever does not equate to actual acceptance of resignation, not receive your resignation letter, sign and pen down your name that you accept the resignation and to the effect of its terms.


Past 2 weeks, my managing director had force me to put my resignation leter and by mutual understanding and also by current prevailling structure, the notice of resignation period must be in 3 months, so i'll decide to put 3 months notice as per required by the Company Policy
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so you've been force to hand in your resignation letter, at the same time its mutual? <--- confused here.

If you dont agree why in the first place you submit the resignatuion letter?!

- well i think personally, once u submit the resignation leter the time starts to run and after than you can probably consider your employment terminated even without an Acceptance of Resignation. (if you did receive one, you can probably without any problem request to be issued one - i dont think its a necessity since it came from MD that request you to resign)

5. That is if they dismiss you early, say your emplyed as a permanent staff... one morning MD decides to sack you on spot... than the company will have to compensate you i.e. 2 weeks pay or pro rate or whatever payment method you have agreed in your contract.

6. cant comment you just have to give it a try i guess?


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Hi guys, i would like to ask something.. if i would resign from my company and only give 1 week notice instead of 1 month as per our contract. Will i get sued? What if my new company offer to compensate for my loses am i still in danger of being sued?
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QUOTE(Cloudx @ Jun 22 2009, 09:53 PM)
Hi guys, i would like to ask something.. if i would resign from my company and only give 1 week notice instead of 1 month as per our contract. Will i get sued? What if my new company offer to compensate for my loses am i still in danger of being sued?
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Provided your "Old" Company is agreeable with the arrangements (i.e. accepting the compensation from your New Company), if otherwise they might be able to put up some road bloacks and force you to serve out your 1 month notice.

Well if the Old Company accepts your 1 week notice + the other "New" Company is willing to compensate your "Old" Company, you should be safe (the emphasis here is still, IF your "OLD" Company agrees).

In other words, you Old Company just can't be having both ends of the pie... either
1. they force u to stay a month longer; or
2. accept your 1 week notice & compensation in accordance wiht your contract.



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URGENT!!NEED HELP!!!

I got a question, hope can get help and advice from here.

I have just signed my offer letter today and after one hour later, my dream job called me and said has offered me the job.

so is it possible I terminate the offer letter that i signed by just give a call to that company tomorrow?

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QUOTE(QuietBelL @ Jun 25 2009, 09:10 PM)
URGENT!!NEED HELP!!!

I got a question, hope can get help and advice from here.

I have just signed my offer letter today and after one hour later, my dream job called me and said has offered me the job.

so is it possible I terminate the offer letter that i signed  by just give a call to that company tomorrow?

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its just letter of offer, just inform the company that u will not be taking up their offer.
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How to resign, Under 2 years contract. 6 months more to go.

Want to resign because:

1. Being "silent transfer to KL" from KK. No "traveling stuff"mention in the offer letter.

2. Sent to KL for 3 months training with allowance (since probation). Now still at KL for more than a year. only come back once a while. After 1 year, they stop giving allowance even though i am still consider under training and work from KL.

3. they consider me as KL staff but no black n white, and my salary is still paid from KK.

4. I have problem if i stay too long in KL. I left my family in KK and i did not sign up for any transfer program to be here.

5. Something wrong with the project manager. I produce results and he present different result. something like "Make the result as i wish". Well you know, i don't want to lie.













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Just want to ask a question: Can a company ask an employee to submit voluntary resignation? Is this legal provided the employee doesn't defame company's reputation or loss.
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QUOTE(Ryeeson @ Jul 2 2009, 02:08 PM)
How to resign, Under 2 years contract. 6 months more to go.

Want to resign because:

1. Being "silent transfer to KL" from KK. No "traveling stuff"mention in the offer letter.

2. Sent to KL for 3 months training with allowance (since probation). Now still at KL for more than a year. only come back once a while. After 1 year, they stop giving allowance even though i am still consider under training and work from KL.

3. they consider me as KL staff but no black n white, and my salary is still paid from KK.

4. I have problem if i stay too long in KL. I left my family in KK and i did not sign up for any transfer program to be here.

5. Something wrong with the project manager. I produce results and he present different result. something like "Make the result as i wish". Well you know, i don't want to lie.
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post Jul 2 2009, 02:42 PM

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Thank You for the guidance aurora97.

Here are the clause taken from my Job specification.
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"You will report to the Managing Director of "Company(B)" Name of MD. You will devote your entire time, attention and energies to the business of Company(B) and shall not in any term of this agreement be engaged directly or indirectly in any other business activity whether of a similar nature or different from the business of Company(B) which is pursued for gain, profit or other pecuniary advantage.

You are expected to perform all duties which may be required of you in this role and set out in the job description. You must comply with all reasonable direction given to you and observe all the policies, procedure and rules of the Employer as may be introduced and/or amended from time to time.

The Employer operates a policy of job flexibility and employer may, at its discretion, require you to perform additional or other duties, whether skilled or unskilled, not within the scope of your normal duties and may at its discretion amend your job description at any time"
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It mention about job description but there is no job description in offer letter. Only Job Specification.

how does the "amended" policy? does it need any signature? or just by saying it?


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QUOTE(Ryeeson @ Jul 2 2009, 02:42 PM)
Thank You for the guidance aurora97.

Here are the clause taken from my Job specification.
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"You will report to the Managing Director of "Company(B)" Name of MD. You will devote your entire time, attention and energies to the business of Company(B) and shall not in any term of this agreement be engaged directly or indirectly in any other business activity whether of a similar nature or different from the business of Company(B) which is pursued for gain, profit or other pecuniary advantage.

irrelevant

You are expected to perform all duties which may be required of you in this role and set out in the job description. You must comply with all reasonable direction given to you and observe all the policies, procedure and rules of the Employer as may be introduced and/or amended from time to time.

irrelevant

The Employer operates a policy of job flexibility and employer may, at its discretion, require you to perform additional or other duties, whether skilled or unskilled, not within the scope of your normal duties and may at its discretion amend your job description at any time"

irrelevant
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It mention about job description but there is no job description in offer letter. Only Job Specification.

how does the "amended" policy? does it need any signature? or just by saying it?
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The job description can change at any time (like mine), its for internal use only i.e. to meassure KPI and other BS.

You need to look at the contract that you have sign from the very beginning with the company, what is stated there shall be what you have agreed upon. Any addition you that contract shall (normally) be mutually agreed upon.

Any addition that is outside that contract is irrelevant and not binding over u.


Added on July 2, 2009, 3:03 pm
QUOTE(debbieyss @ Jul 2 2009, 02:15 PM)
Just want to ask a question: Can a company ask an employee to submit voluntary resignation? Is this legal provided the employee doesn't defame company's reputation or loss.
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Assuming one fine day, the CEO walks into your room...

CEO: hey i got something to tell you..
A: yeah?
CEO: can u please ressign?
A: Why?
CEO: nothingla just want you to resign.
A:...

Verbally? - definate NO
Written - than again its no longer voluntary is it?

The meaning of voluntary is you freely leave the company i.e. u found a new job per se, so you tender your resignation.

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If i had not done anything wrong, why should i resign unless of course the Company issues u a show cause letter... than if the evidence is sufficient and justified... well if given a voluntary resignation sound reasonable instead of being sacked.

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Is this legal provided the employee doesn't defame company's reputation or loss.

What r u trying to say?

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There's a few ways u can go.

1. Tender resignation - Voluntarily resign
2. No tender resignation = most likely sacked, retrenched and DEFINATELY not voluntary


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Thanks again.

From your comments on my job specification, there are non of them relevant to my contract?

If i get it right, they don't have right to sent me to KL without any official letter. Am i right?

since the job specification did not mention anything about transfer/traveling specifically, it is consider out of contract and not binding over me?

Can i say that there is a violations on the contract since they sent me here and stop paying my allowance?






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QUOTE(Ryeeson @ Jul 2 2009, 03:47 PM)
Thanks again.

From your comments on my job specification, there are non of them relevant to my contract?

If i get it right, they don't have right to sent me to KL without any official letter. Am i right?

since the job specification did not mention anything about transfer/traveling specifically, it is consider out of contract and not binding over me?

Can i say that there is a violations on the contract since they sent me here and stop paying my allowance?
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From yourcomments on my job specification, there are non of them relevant to my contract?

Put it simply like this..

Your contract states you are employed as an account staff...

Generally speaking most contracts will require a person employed as an "Acccount staff" do anything related to account (even though not within ur scope sometimes)...

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If i get it right, they don't have right to sent me to KL without any official letter. Am i right?

But for some reason, somewhere (not in your contract), it is stated that you have to do HR work as well... do you think it is actually the job you signed up for?

Simply put it in contractual terms, you were promised bread but given rocks instead?

Fair deal?

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If its not specifically mentioned in your "Official Letter" they can transfer you to the north pole than.. i would say "yes" you have a right to reject it. PROVIDED you ask them to confirm in writing that you are actually being transferred.

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My 2 cents

Well normally say if you have been moved (not in a sense transferred), i suppose a person should be reimbursed with allowance of sorts...
I suggest you demand:
1. it because its not fair to you, you have not agreed to any sort of relocation.. your stay in KL should be borne by the Company, cause its the company whom put you there in the first place.

Say for example:
X is sent for a road show in Johor from KL, obviously he's going to claim for all the expenses.

Your case:
it's like sending X on a one way ticket to Johor, than the Company tells X and say "hey look here we are going to stop paying u allowance, find ur own way back to KL."

2. You must continue demanding allowance (since they paid u in the first place), if u keep quiet and they keep quiet... the longer u delay, it is possible for the Company to take it your OK, that u can survive without the allowance.

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since the job specification did not mention anything about transfer/traveling specifically, it is consider out of contract and not binding over me?

Your contract is one thing, the job specification is another.. don't mix the too together.

The Contract is one u have agreed.

The job specification is internal policy. (which u have not agreed to)

~ if ur contract does not state anything about transfer or travel, than i would say its not binding over u. Instead the company has breached ur contract.

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Can i say that there is a violations on the contract since they sent me here and stop paying my allowance?

I am guessing here.

NO, unless u can find a clause in your official letter that say.. u will be reimburse with allowance for any task that the Company may direct u to do from time to time.
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it's clear now.

Its seem that they played politic since beginning. And I fell for it. Lol sad.gif

Well, they don't actually have any good reason to stop paying my allowance.

It was during the bad financial crisis and I don't think that I can get a job if I resign that time. Its like they were saying "We stop allowance, or you resign".

Well, i am ready to resign now. I will follow your advice. Actually i already talk to my bos and waiting for an answer from him.

How if they don't want to listen to my demand? can i go to labor office?



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QUOTE(Ryeeson @ Jul 2 2009, 04:35 PM)
it's clear now.

Its seem that they played politic since beginning. And I fell for it. Lol sad.gif

Well, they don't actually have any good reason to stop paying my allowance.

It was during the bad financial crisis and I don't think that I can get a job if I resign that time. Its like they were saying "We stop allowance, or you resign".

Well, i am ready to resign now. I will follow your advice. Actually i already talk to my bos and waiting for an answer from him.

How if they don't want to listen to my demand? can i go to labor office?
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whether or not u want to go to labour office, can't help u on that (depends on circumstances)... but what i have mention is to first protect yourself.

though i have not touched anything on labour office...

those are all your evidence... "Break Glass in case of Emergency"

everything must be on paper.

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Thank You so much aurora97.

i will follow your suggestion. It is not fair for me. Now i try to collect evidence as much as i can.

Ponsikou which mean thank you very much in my native language.

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QUOTE(Ryeeson @ Jul 2 2009, 04:54 PM)
Thank You so much aurora97.

i will follow your suggestion. It is not fair for me. Now i try to collect evidence as much as i can.

Ponsikou which mean thank you very much in my native language.
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let say I give resign letter on 15 jan:

1. Can they reject?
2. Do I have to work 30 days from 15 jan. Because if I leave after 15 feb and salary check is out end of month. It will be hassle to collect the check.

In your experience, is it better to resign on first day of the month or other day?

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I joined a company last month (June). I am not yet a permanent staff there. From the employment letter, I need to give 2 months notice even I am not a permanent staff. So, if I want to resign this month (July) due to some circumstances, do I really need to give 2 months notice? I was told that according to the Labour Laws in Malaysia, we can resign any time without giving any notice to a company if we are not permanent employees yet.

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QUOTE(mulowzuzer @ Jul 3 2009, 03:31 PM)
"You are fired!"
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In future, please refrain from putting such comments in this thread. It's a discussion thread not kopitiam.

QUOTE(IEE @ Jul 3 2009, 06:04 PM)
let say I give resign letter on  15 jan:

1. Can they reject?
2. Do I have to work 30 days from 15 jan.  Because if I leave after 15 feb and  salary check is out end of month. It will be hassle to collect the check.

In your experience, is it better to resign on first day of the month or other day?
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Assuming
1. one month notice required.

Conclusion?
Regardless whether you tender notice on the 1st of Jan or the 15th of Jan, you will still have to collect your cheque unless so unfortunately the last day falls on a weekend or a public holiday than have to collect the next following working day.

Err.. your company still issue cheque?
Most companies i joined normally pay online so i am not familiar with how are you goin to go about this problem.

QUOTE(mathstutorloke @ Jul 3 2009, 11:12 PM)
I joined a company last month (June). I am not yet a permanent staff there. From the employment letter, I need to give 2 months notice even I am not a permanent staff. So, if I want to resign this month (July) due to some circumstances, do I really need to give 2 months notice? I was told that according to the Labour Laws in Malaysia, we can resign any time without giving any notice to a company if we are not permanent employees yet.
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My 2 cents... "Don't quote me on this"

i think your a probationary staff.

If your contract requires you to tender 2 months notice, than its what you have to do regardless whether your permanent or not.

There's a probably a provision somewhere in the Employment Act, but if you look carefully at certain provisions they allow such law to be amended, if the employee and the employer mutually agree in contract to vary the terms of employment.

Unless the terms of employment is silent than the law shall apply.




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need help here guys... URGENT


I am working in this small company for a year and now i wanna hop..

in contract stated 3 months notice which is damn long. Not to mention that i am a programmer in this company.

So, if i found a new job and the job wants me to get started with working in like 1month time. How am i going to tender my resignation?? Is it possible that i leave in 24 hours notice??? If i am not mistaken there is this law where u need to compensate 1 month salary to leave immediately???


Please help. sad.gif
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QUOTE(spell128 @ Jul 7 2009, 09:55 PM)
need help here guys... URGENT
I am working in this small company for a year and now i wanna hop..

in contract stated 3 months notice which is damn long. Not to mention that i am a programmer in this company.

So, if i found a new job and the job wants me to get started with working in like 1month time. How am i going to tender my resignation?? Is it possible that i leave in 24 hours notice??? If i am not mistaken there is this law where u need to compensate 1 month salary to leave immediately???
Please help.  sad.gif
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that kind of the whole point having a 3 month notice..
1. to stop ppl from deciding to leave the company suddenly
2. that u don't leave behind unfinished assignments
3. to give ample opportunity for the company to look for replacement.

if your employed contractually than u may have to pay for the balance of your contract...
Example: 1 year contract, work for 2 months than you have to compensate the company the balance of the 10 months.

for permanent staff (depending on the terms of employment)
Yes, the person may have to compensate the company for X no. of months for leaving immediately without notice.
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i just seen this thread...i need advice here

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1085110


Added on July 8, 2009, 10:11 pmspell128 - dont scare me....i got another call from a compnay will be interviewing me...contract position.... >.<

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QUOTE(spell128 @ Jul 7 2009, 09:55 PM)
need help here guys... URGENT
I am working in this small company for a year and now i wanna hop..

in contract stated 3 months notice which is damn long. Not to mention that i am a programmer in this company.

So, if i found a new job and the job wants me to get started with working in like 1month time. How am i going to tender my resignation?? Is it possible that i leave in 24 hours notice??? If i am not mistaken there is this law where u need to compensate 1 month salary to leave immediately???
Please help.  sad.gif
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is that any balancing annual leave that can cover up some of your serving notice days??? you need to refer your appointment letter whether they wanted you to compensate or not...

my company definately doesnt encourage me to compensate cuz im the only staff in the company and i need to handle all my outstanding job to the new staff if i happen to resign one day ... somehow i can replace my annual leave with my serving notice ~~
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One quick question. Is it okay to tender resignation letter ahead of the required notice period? For example, I tender mine 30 days earlier instead of 4 weeks/28 days notice period?
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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Jul 9 2009, 07:12 PM)
One quick question. Is it okay to tender resignation letter ahead of the required notice period? For example, I tender mine 30 days earlier instead of 4 weeks/28 days notice period?
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which means u want to resign 24 hours?

wat is in ur employment contrak? most would require payment in lieu.

also it wont go down well with employer cos suddenly they lose one headcount and no handover.

why u want to resign so sudden? made a critikal mistakes?
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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Jul 9 2009, 07:12 PM)
One quick question. Is it okay to tender resignation letter ahead of the required notice period? For example, I tender mine 30 days earlier instead of 4 weeks/28 days notice period?
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Once you tender your resignation, the date of receipt shall be your effective date of notice.

i.e. 10th July 2009 (Tender and Receipt date) + X days notice.

Unless your boss gives you a waiver only than you can resign with a shorter notice period or total waiver of notice.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jul 10 2009, 09:50 AM)
Once you tender your resignation, the date of receipt shall be your effective date of notice.

i.e. 10th July 2009 (Tender and Receipt date) + X days notice.

Unless your boss gives you a waiver only than you can resign with a shorter notice period or total waiver of notice.
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Ok. Thanks a lot for the information.
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To what extent can a superior go to to have you terminated if he/she has a personal grudge against you? What are the possible legal ways of getting around it.
Also, what constitutes as unlawful dismissal? I would like to know how to protect myself as some of my colleagues are experiencing difficulties in the workplace and the fire is burning closer to me.

Salary above 1500.
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QUOTE(saintangelius @ Jul 16 2009, 11:16 AM)
To what extent can a superior go to to have you terminated if he/she has a personal grudge against you? What are the possible legal ways of getting around it.
Also, what constitutes as unlawful dismissal? I would like to know how to protect myself as some of my colleagues are experiencing difficulties in the workplace and the fire is burning closer to me.

Salary above 1500.
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Well i have heard of ppl getting sacked due to poor performance, which i think its pretty reasonable, but in a case where you have a superior who terminates ppl because he/she has personal grudges is abit questionable.

Step 1
Talk to your (or a group) superior to resolve the matter amicably. Having a roundtable discussion together with HR (and/ or Management) as sort of mediation to cool the fire.

The reason being:
If a you keep quiet and no one complains, the management, HR and/or your superior will think everything is fine and dandy cause they will see your group as the trouble maker (which in fact could be...).

Step 2

If so unfortunate that nobody wants to hear you guys out or mediation fails...

Wait for termination letter, see what's the reason for termination is it performance, disciplinary issue, criminal (Wtf?) and so on.

I doubt your superior will be smart enough to put in the termination letter saying "... due to the fact i have a personal grudge with you, i don't see the point having you around. Therefore, i am terminating your employment. BB..."

Step 3

Is the reason reasonable?

1. try talking again to resolve the matter.

Talk to your (or a group) superior to resolve the matter amicably. Having a roundtable discussion together with HR (and/ or Management) as sort of mediation to cool the flood.

Step 4

If all things fail, start preparing your documents..

1. type your resume etc...
2. note all your worthy achievements with the company...
3. get your appraisal form/KPI if you have any...

If you have been meeting KPI's, your appraisal score has been fantastic, your superior always praise you, almost every major project got your involvement, you have been bring large chunks of commission and in a way you make money for the company or your work has been outstandingly efficient... prepare thiis list may come in handy to support your arguement. You can present this in Step 3 as well to convince the parties why you shouldnt be terminated.

Step 5

If no hope already everything also fail...

Than proceed to the labour dept get assistance there.



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Speak with your assigned department superior. Discuss with him/her. That's the most direct way.

Probationary period? Please refer to the Letter for the stipulated resignation procedure.

Regards, Joey


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QUOTE(saintangelius @ Jul 16 2009, 11:16 AM)
To what extent can a superior go to to have you terminated if he/she has a personal grudge against you? What are the possible legal ways of getting around it.
Also, what constitutes as unlawful dismissal? I would like to know how to protect myself as some of my colleagues are experiencing difficulties in the workplace and the fire is burning closer to me.

Salary above 1500.
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Write in within 60 days of the dismissal to the Director General of Industrial Relations Department in pursuant to section 20 of the Industrial Relations Act, 1967.

There are a few criteria to be furnished upon. Please attach your Letter of Appointment and Termination Letter.

From here, yu are going face to face with your ex-employer at a designated place for FOC.

If there is a failure to resolve the case through conciliation, or if it gets dirty then, the DG of IR will refer to the big daddy of HRM, Minister of Human Resources. Please keep in mind that it cannot be brought to the Industrial Court directly but is being done by the Minister of Human Resources.

And voila! Yu can seek for award of back waged...(yu can treat me makan afterwards)

Regards, Joey

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so that mean i need to tender my resign letter to them?

today is my 2nd day to work. probation under 6 month

but after 1st day i realize been lose interest on programming field.
anyway i planning to early switch different field.

i more toward liking support stuff since my industrial training and my hobby. in other simple word, just try out of programming job thing. find that my solving problem not strong

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everyone, would like to know whether i can claim my sick leave and medical expense during my 1 month notice??

i feel like infected with swine flu... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(danieltan @ Jul 21 2009, 06:04 PM)
so that mean i need to tender my resign letter to them?

today is my 2nd day to work. probation under 6 month

but after 1st day i realize been lose interest on programming field.
anyway i planning to early switch different field.

i more toward liking support stuff since my industrial training and my hobby. in other simple word, just try out of programming job thing. find that my solving problem not strong
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PROVIDED you have considered carefully why you want to resign...

Step 1
Read your contract see what it say, is there any bond or penalty for early termination? (if there is one prepare to fork out some $)

Step 2
tender resignation.

QUOTE(monochrome @ Jul 22 2009, 07:12 AM)
everyone, would like to know whether i can claim my sick leave and medical expense during my 1 month notice??

i feel like infected with swine flu... rclxub.gif
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Your one month notice = resignation?

i think this question has been answered before...

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QUOTE(monochrome @ Jul 22 2009, 07:12 AM)
everyone, would like to know whether i can claim my sick leave and medical expense during my 1 month notice??

i feel like infected with swine flu... rclxub.gif
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Anda boleh. Sila rujuk sumber yang diberi oleh "aurora97".

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QUOTE(danieltan @ Jul 21 2009, 06:04 PM)
so that mean i need to tender my resign letter to them?

today is my 2nd day to work. probation under 6 month

but after 1st day i realize been lose interest on programming field.
anyway i planning to early switch different field.

i more toward liking support stuff since my industrial training and my hobby. in other simple word, just try out of programming job thing. find that my solving problem not strong
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Yu may need not to resign but reassign to other department within the same company.

Regards, Joey

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wanna ask sth....

few days ago i did my exit interview with HR dept ppl. in the form need to company name , i got write lah...is this a must to write coz the person in charge insist that...

so then i wrote that she started asking the details..

i want to know whether can she use such tactics coz the way she ask like forcing me to give her answer..i dont like it..it also shown my weakness when answering her question and made me look lack of confidence coz i didnt not prepare prior the interview.

and can she just provide those info to my director even though it was stated P&C.
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QUOTE(monochrome @ Aug 1 2009, 12:07 PM)
wanna ask sth....

few days ago i did my exit interview with HR dept ppl. in the form need to company name , i got write lah...is this a must to write coz the person in charge insist that...

so then i wrote that she started asking the details..

i want to know whether can she use such tactics coz the way she ask like forcing me to give her answer..i dont like it..it also shown my weakness when answering her question and made me look lack of confidence coz i didnt not prepare prior the interview.

and can she just provide those info to my director even though it was stated P&C.
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I don't see why do you need to answer any question even during an Exit Interview, well what you can do is keep quiet and waste her time or you can answer. (correct me if i am wrong)

I personally don't see anything wrong with it, no matter what you answer on that day... in the end you will still resign and they have no choice but to let u go. (correct me if i am wrong)

Exit interviews, I PERSONALLY think and i don't speak for anyone else but myself... I think is used to understand why staff leave the company, it is also a final ditch to try and retain good staff. Otherwise, why is HR wasting time to conduct an Exit interview unless of course its standard procedure.



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i've read "Resign without giving sufficient notice" thread...

now i'm in a screwed up MNC with a haywired management... i'm thru with the co. d... don gip a damn... okie, here's my Q...

if the co. sacked me, do i still get my pay for the days i've worked in de co. for tat month? wat if i did something wrong and what if i did not do anything wrong? which way still i do get my pay rite?

my notice of termination is a f***ing long 3 months! duH~ doh.gif

and i'm not gonna pay a single sen to de co. and now wondering what's my best option to leave fast yet getting my pay? hehe...

thx and would appreciate any feedback!

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aurora97,

i heard that's the standard procedure...during the interview i was like revenging, kept telling bad things about my HOD....she was like asking what comment to add.. actually if she didn't ask which company i'm going , i won't stop criticizing my HOD.

i was a bit lost track after she kept asking me my next co. details , post all those stuffs.. actually i wasn't willing to provide a single clue of my next co.
i think keeping quiet it's not really good...any good answers to give?? for e.g?

i feel i did really bad in it..gotta learn from this exp..
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QUOTE(monochrome @ Aug 5 2009, 10:32 PM)
aurora97,

i heard that's the standard procedure...during the interview i was like revenging, kept telling bad things about my HOD....she was like asking what comment to add.. actually if she didn't ask which company i'm going , i won't stop criticizing my HOD.

i was a bit lost track after she kept asking me my next co. details , post all those stuffs.. actually i wasn't willing to provide a single clue of my next co.
i think keeping quiet it's not really good...any good answers to give?? for e.g?

i feel i did really bad in it..gotta learn from this exp..

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well look on the bright side, at least it was not an evaluation on your KPI?

that said no matter how you did, regardless whether u gave the most perfect, honest answer, lied, cheat, conned, scammed the interviewer, the conclusion would be the same no matter how Fantastic or how outrageously your performed..

You will still get to resign, that all you wanted.

I have given u all the insane ideas (may not be accurate, complete, tested or tried) but you should use it to your advantage. Advise are free (probably even loaded with rubbish) but how u use it makes it priceless.

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Please advise..


Recently i'm resigning from this company and not completed my service years that i'm actually have to as in the bond agreement.
So i have to pay the training cost..thats ok.
Q is do i hv to payback for all the overseas meal allowances and flight cost during i'm assigned to construction site in oversea?
Bond stated that 'approved training programme' and 'training institution'...they claimed that thy assigned me to construction site part of OJT but no detail training programme given...
Thanks...
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Not a single soul can tell yu the proper way of addressing your concerns. Best bet is to swing it to your HRM Dept.

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p.s: Be it OJT or not, it's better for yu to clarify this via your HRM Dept.
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QUOTE(Joey Christensen @ Aug 10 2009, 12:38 PM)
Not a single soul can tell yu the proper way of addressing your concerns. Best bet is to swing it to your HRM Dept.

Regards, Joey

p.s: Be it OJT or not, it's better for yu to clarify this via your HRM Dept.
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already talk to HR manager but seem not much helping...she asked to write an appeal letter regarding the payment and she also reject it..no point for me..

most of my ex-colleague advise me find a lawyer...its ok?what are the effect in the future?


Added on August 10, 2009, 2:21 pm
Is there stated in the labour law that employee hv to pay back the oversea meal allowance starting from the first day working to company if they resigned? My previous HR manager (1st) said that the meal allowance is for "wang kesusahan berada di luar negara"...

FYI, now i'm dealing with 3rd HR manager for this resignation matter..

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Hi quick question. Is there such a thing as Tax issues when an employee quits middle of the month? Apparently there are no tax paperwork needed if an employee resigns end of the month.
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Question of compensation by your future company to your present company for short resignation notice.

1. Does the future company pay the present company directly? or paying through you?
2. How to inform the future company to pay to individual directly rather than to pay the present company to avoid strain esp in the same industry.

Share your thoughts.
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QUOTE(sunny2009 @ Sep 9 2009, 08:39 PM)
Question of compensation by your future company to your present company for short resignation notice.

1. Does the future company pay the present company directly? or paying through you?
2. How to inform the future company to pay to individual directly rather than to pay the present company to avoid strain esp in the same industry.

Share your thoughts.
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My thoughts...

1. You will need to known how much it will cost u to break the contract (2 months salary penalty ?)
2. Once you know the amount, go to your New Emloyer and ask them to issue you a cheque to the company base on the amount you enquire from your ex-company.
3. submit cheque and your free!

Note:
1. I am doutful whether a ur new emplyer will give you cash.
2. you will need to show proof. (possible ask your ex company to produce you a letter telling you that if you breach the contract you will need to pay XXX amount. (but don't tell them ur looking for a new job elsewhere)...
3. Just saying ur leaving 24 hrs and how much do u need.
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What is the best time to resign ?
i meant early of the month, middle of the month or end of the month.
Does it really matter ?


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QUOTE(confusedguy2009 @ Sep 19 2009, 10:51 AM)
What is the best time to resign ?
i meant early of the month, middle of the month or end of the month.
Does it really matter ?
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My thoughts are...

It doesnt really matter when you resign but...

a) make sure you plan your annual leave proper (see whether you can use your AL to off set notice period)

b) whether ur collecting your salary by cheque or direct debit.. difference? well certain companies whom issue cheque, may only pay out salary at the end of the month... say if you terminate 1st Jan 200X, u don't want to end up coming back to the office and collecting your cheque (salary) on the 31st of Jan 200x do you?

c) Claims, when is the cut off date, unless your generous to the company perhaps u may want to forgo... otherwise take note.
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QUOTE(confusedguy2009 @ Sep 19 2009, 10:51 AM)
What is the best time to resign ?
i meant early of the month, middle of the month or end of the month.
Does it really matter ?
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It doesn't matter. Works either ways.

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Hi.

Working as a probation staff.
Let say 3-6 months probation.

If wish to resign, can within 24 hours?
They can terminate me 24 hours as well?
No need 1 month notice?
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If using annual leave to offset the notice period, for example notice period 2 months, after offset 1 month annual leave, the last date is shorten to one month. Do I get the pay for annual leave after one month or after 2 months?

And how is the pay calculated? based on total working days of that month or total number of days of that month?

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Sep 30 2009, 05:05 PM)
Hi.

Working as a probation staff.
Let say 3-6 months probation.

If wish to resign, can within 24 hours?
They can terminate me 24 hours as well?
No need 1 month notice?
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It depends on your contract really...

Most Employments contracts are recycled, if u notice (well if u have changed jobs more than once and converted into permanent staff that is) the contract is generally the same with the only exception ur salary/increment.

QUOTE(alien0110 @ Oct 1 2009, 01:37 AM)
If using annual leave to offset the notice period, for example notice period 2 months, after offset 1 month annual leave, the last date is shorten to one month. Do I get the pay for annual leave after one month or after 2 months?

And how is the pay calculated? based on total working days of that month or total number of days of that month?

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Notice period 2 months
Annual leave collected (assuming u have earned it) = 1 month i.e. 30 days (wow entitled 30 days, even my boss only gets 21 days tongue.gif)

u need to understand Annual leave is an entitlement similar to paid leave, so basically if you use ur AL to offset the notice period... u will still get ur full salary.

there will be no adjustments to your salary.

Correct ime if i am wrong.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Oct 1 2009, 04:34 PM)
It depends on your contract really...

Most Employments contracts are recycled, if u notice (well if u have changed jobs more than once and converted into permanent staff that is) the contract is generally the same with the only exception ur salary/increment.
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So, 24 hours can? biggrin.gif
Based on your knowledge and experiences notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Oct 1 2009, 10:19 PM)
So, 24 hours can?  biggrin.gif
Based on your knowledge and experiences  notworthy.gif
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Erm...looking at my own contract, u can tender 24 hrs notice but u end up paying the company X months salary for leaving prematurely dependi8ng on the notice period.

Example
Contract - 2 months notice

if u tender 24 hrs notice, u will have to pay a penalty equivalent the 2 months notice i.e. 2 months salary.

So u still have to refer back to your contract, see what it say about notice.
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anyone can help me?
i`m to resign, i have pass my resign letter yesterday night, my boss no allow me to resign.
she ask me: if she don`t wan giv me the salary, what is my feel? that feel is she feeling now.
i had nth no answer her.
i`m suffer now, i scare i did`t get any salary. help me plz cry.gif

i`m still under propation period.

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Oct 2 2009, 08:59 AM)
Erm...looking at my own contract, u can tender 24 hrs notice but u end up paying the company X months salary for leaving prematurely dependi8ng on the notice period.

Example
Contract - 2 months notice

if u tender 24 hrs notice, u will have to pay a penalty equivalent the 2 months notice i.e. 2 months salary.

So u still have to refer back to your contract, see what it say about notice.
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I had a discussion with the HR Manager.
But fortunately there's this one staff who worked under 3-6 months probation too.
She quit after 2 months...then joined again yesterday tongue.gif

So I ask the HR Manager whether she can do that without paying to the company, he said yes.
So, I can leave anytime tongue.gif
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QUOTE(alan5997 @ Oct 2 2009, 12:51 PM)
anyone can help me?
i`m to resign, i have pass my resign letter yesterday night, my boss no allow me to resign.
she ask me: if she don`t wan giv me the salary, what is my feel? that feel is she feeling now.
i had nth no answer her.

i`m suffer now, i scare i did`t get any salary. help me plz cry.gif

i`m still under propation period.
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Let me get the facts right...

1. First of all you tendered your resignation.
2. You boss don't allow u to resign?
3. She say she wont pay your salary, if you resign?? (the portion highlighted in bold, u need to clarify)

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Speak generally, anyone can resign from a job provided you complete your assignments for handover and meet the requisite notice period. On exceptional basis, say your job is very specialized and may take sometime to find another replacement; the company may hold on to your a bit longer (perhaps within a reasonable period)

The above should answer items 1 & 2

I suggest you read your contract for employement, line by line and word for word and understand its meaning first before approaching your boss again.

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For obvious reasons, when and if you resigned from your job and the boss refuses to accept your resignation. You should ask your boss why has he/she refused to accept your resignation and worse of all withhold your salary payment?

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You work so that you can live. There is no reason to be afraid.

QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Oct 2 2009, 07:18 PM)
I had a discussion with the HR Manager.
But fortunately there's this one staff who worked under 3-6 months probation too.
She quit after 2 months...then joined again yesterday  tongue.gif

So I ask the HR Manager whether she can do that without paying to the company, he said yes.
So, I can leave anytime  tongue.gif
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Congrats, guess your probelsm solved.

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iam pregnant now and will be taking 2 months maternity from Feb 2010.
i need to give notice of 3 months if i resign.

can i give resignation from middle of Jan 2010, and my maternity will take effective in Feb till Mar, then i start to work again till middle of March 2010 and i can leave the company ?

can it be done ????


Added on October 7, 2009, 3:46 pmiam pregnant now and will be taking 2 months maternity from Feb 2010.
i need to give notice of 3 months if i resign.

can i give resignation from middle of Jan 2010, and my maternity will take effective in Feb till Mar, then i start to work again till middle of March 2010 and i can leave the company ?

can it be done ????


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Not advisable. Are you desperate or something?

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QUOTE(Joey Christensen @ Oct 7 2009, 04:43 PM)
Not advisable. Are you desperate or something?

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may i know y not advisable ?

as my boss is suck, she have never backup us. i have been working 7 days a week from morning till 10pm everyday. My eyes also cannot open.
for a pregnant woman and have a child of 1 year old to take k, tis is really demanding. My bb been sick, but i have never hold her, i just feel too bad ! cry.gif cry.gif Ive heard my father in law telling outsider that i never tak k of the bb, my heart break into gazzilion pieces.

yeah..no doubt, i was requested to take replacement leave, but this kind of replacement leave for wat ??? and our leave are freeeze this year due to the project.


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Your scheme is very convoluted. A sane person would question on such move taken by you. It's delicate and you may want to speak directly with the person in charge. Once everything is clear on both you and your employer's side, you should go accordingly without any doubts. I suggest you work things out before you ended up being felt crossed at the end of the day.

Regards, Joey

p.s: It's good to protect your own interest in a crystal clear manner to avoid any arguments/complexities in the future.


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QUOTE(YannYann @ Oct 7 2009, 04:48 PM)
as my boss is suck, she have never backup us. i have been working 7 days a week from morning till 10pm everyday. My eyes also cannot open.
for a pregnant woman and have a child of 1 year old to take k, tis is really demanding. My bb been sick, but i have never hold her, i just feel too bad !  cry.gif  cry.gif  Ive heard my father in law telling outsider that i never tak k of the bb, my heart break into gazzilion pieces.

yeah..no doubt, i was requested to take replacement leave, but this kind of replacement leave for wat ??? and our leave are freeeze this year due to the project.
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Do you want to take it into legal perspective? Employee's welfare is being brushed aside. This is wrong, absolutely wrong! I feel sorry for you.

Is it possible to work things out for getting a day off? (annual leave)

Regards, Joey

p.s: Have faith and stay strong.

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this is becoz i pissed off and wanted to resign in that way. without servicing 3 months notice (practically only work for 1 month or lesser) and still got the maternity leave covered ?



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My advice would be the same as in my previous postings. Don't let your emotion outburst clouding your intended ways of resignation. Better to clear the clouds with your company policy.

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A quick question, is there any part of labor law concerning the settlement of remaining AL when resigning? Or is this completely up to the company to decide based on their policy?

e.g. Company policy = pay 5 days AL, any more is forfeit. But they won't let you clear the other remaining days during the leave notice either.

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QUOTE(evilnickwong @ Oct 9 2009, 06:19 PM)
A quick question, is there any part of labor law concerning the settlement of remaining AL when resigning? Or is this completely up to the company to decide based on their policy?

e.g. Company policy = pay 5 days AL, any more is forfeit. But they won't let you clear the other remaining days during the leave notice either.
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My opinion,
thats a bit strange, annual leave are days u earned as if you have worked for those particular days. So what i think at least, you can use your Annual Leave either convert it into pay or use it to offset the remaining termination period.


You may want to:
1. refer to your contract see whether it says anything abt using of your annual leave.
2. if the company say you can only be paid 5 days AL the rest is forfeited, ask them to give you a copy of the relevant company policy.

To my knowledge at least:
1. Certain companies may give certain benefits in excess of what is provided in the EMployment act, example annual leave some ppl might get 8 days AL but others may get 30 AL...
2. the EA only sets a benchmark, the company may set it higher but in any case not lower than what the EA has stated. Example 0 AL.

Reference of interest:
section 60E (Annual Leave) Employment Act 1955




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Hmm they do have it stated in employee handbook I think that payoff is 5 days max.

I thought the Employment Act doesn't apply to anyone earning > 1500/mth, so that means they don't have to follow that?
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QUOTE(evilnickwong @ Oct 12 2009, 02:22 PM)
Hmm they do have it stated in employee handbook I think that payoff is 5 days max.

I thought the Employment Act doesn't apply to anyone earning > 1500/mth, so that means they don't have to follow that?
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Yup, you are right on that (new discovery for me as well):

Reference:
EMPLOYMENT ACT 1955 (REVISED 1981) ACT 265 FIRST SCHEDULE

states clearly anyone who earns less than Rm 1.5K is protected by the EA.

Exception:
If in your contract it specifically states that your contract is governed by the EA, than there is a possibility you can read the EA into your contract. If otherwise than consider it as freedom of contracting i guess i.e. what u signed away is what u have already agreed upon.

So to answer your question:
1. Read your employment contract
2. Read your employee handbook

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Damn. The company handbook for employees on resignation matters does state clearly 5 days max. Meh, oh well.
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My fiancee has send her resignation letter. She need to serve 1 month notice. On the same time, she request to deduct her notice using her annual leave balance and on the same time want to use her additional benefits (married leave).

My question is, whether she can still use her married leave to deduct her resignation notice eventhough she already submitted her resignation?? icon_question.gif

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I worked in current company for 1 month already but I found I had no interest in the job. Just want to know if I tender my resignation letter and as in my contract I have give 4 weeks notices or salary in lieu. But if I have to leave the company two weeks in advance before the due date of the 4 weeks notice, I have to pay back the company remaining days left?
Need some advice here. Thanks
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QUOTE(tricubix @ Oct 28 2009, 11:43 PM)
My fiancee has send her resignation letter. She need to serve 1 month notice. On the same time, she request to deduct her notice using her annual leave balance and on the same time want to use her additional benefits (married leave).

My question is, whether she can still use her married leave to deduct her resignation notice eventhough she already submitted her resignation??  icon_question.gif
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General Rule
Annual leave doesnt = Married Leave

Did some enquiries, apparently married leaves are specifically only for that particular event and applied as and when there is a marriage about to take place.

Exceptions?
Management waiver.

QUOTE(whiteagle @ Oct 31 2009, 12:30 PM)
I worked in current company for 1 month already but I found I had no interest in the job. Just want to know if I tender my resignation letter and as in my contract I have give 4 weeks notices or salary in lieu. But if I have to leave the company two weeks in advance before the due date of the 4 weeks notice, I have to pay back the company remaining days left?
Need some advice here. Thanks
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yes u have to pay the company the remaining number of days required according to your notice period (i.e. 4 weeks.)
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Hello to all HR proficient people on this thread,

My father is sick and I really need help with employee problem. Everything seems to be falliing apart, i'm trying to keep the business in one pc...

Our offer letter states:
-3 months probation
-at company's discretion, probation can be prolonged for another 3 mths.
-but does not state that after three months, permanent staff position is automatic.
-permanent position resignation notice is 1 month.

This employee (RM1200+ salary) was told he is confirmed before the end of the 3 months probation. He received an increment on his 4th month salary. But father fell ill so there wasnt any follow up in paper. I read past HR record, our company practice has always been a one-way letter to inform staff confirmation.

He resigned, wanting 24 hr termination based on probationary entitlement. I know there is no point to make him stay if he is so adamant. What I wish to know is:

-does he owe the company 1 month's notice worth of pay?
-do i need to pay him the 10 days he worked for in the 5th month?
-can i rreport him to any authority about his misconduct?

The whole reason why is because I can't afford to lose any more employees as there are only 3 of them to help me hold the fort. I hope that I can put an end to their bullying me. I have quickly sent another 2 confirmation letters after this discovery. I also have to find time to go to and fro the hospital. Please help.
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Hello guys..... here's my case. I know it may seem small. But getting a good opinion is better than having none at all rite?

I just joined my company for arnd 1 month. Actually all seems fine. But i dont feel like this is the line of work i wana stick with. Just dont fit me. Yes of course we can talk about learning new things is good, etc etc, but my main concern isnt just abt money. Its about doing what im most happy with. This company is small. I got a very simple offer letter just with a date of commencement of work and starting salary. No other attachments, agreements etc. I have not signed a single contract officially.
As usual, probation period is 3 months.

So i guess if i were to resigned by end of my last probation month, shudnt be a problem right?

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Hello guys..... here's my case. I know it may seem small. But getting a good opinion is better than having none at all rite?

I just joined my company for arnd 1 month. Actually all seems fine. But i dont feel like this is the line of work i wana stick with. Just dont fit me. Yes of course we can talk about learning new things is good, etc etc, but my main concern isnt just abt money. Its about doing what im most happy with. This company is small. I got a very simple offer letter just with a date of commencement of work and starting salary. No other attachments, agreements etc. I have not signed a single contract officially.
As usual, probation period is 3 months.

So i guess if i were to resigned by end of my last probation month, shudnt be a problem right?
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This company is small. I got a very simple offer letter just with a date of commencement of work and starting salary. No other attachments, agreements etc. I have not signed a single contract officially.

thats quite suprising, nevertheless u should read the fine print.

i.e. Your employment is subject to the applicable law i.e. Employment Act (even though your salary exceeds RM 1500-00)

OR

By default since there are no other terms the applicable law will be choosen as default. (again Employment Act, even though your salary exceeds RM 1500-00)

the above i am not certain off... but technically if there is no mention of term like:
1. duration of your probation
2. termination
3. resignation...and so on.

TECHNICALLY - cross refer above items
1. Your probation period is infinite (continue to run until you are confirmed) until you are confirmed.
2. You can be terminated at any point in time.
3. 24 hours notice of resignation would suffice.

So i guess if i were to resigned by end of my last probation month, shudnt be a problem right?

Btw u didnt mentioned in your offer letter whether it has a probation period or otherwise, I AM literally thinking that your letter of offer includes ur commencement date and salary only.

My 2 cents you can resign any time you want, so long as you serve your notice on the company,.
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thats quite suprising, nevertheless u should read the fine print.
what fine print? XD....... seriously there isnt any........


i.e. Your employment is subject to the applicable law i.e. Employment Act (even though your salary exceeds RM 1500-00)

By default since there are no other terms the applicable law will be choosen as default. (again Employment Act, even though your salary exceeds RM 1500-00)


None of these. And my starting salary is 1.6 =P

the above i am not certain off... but technically if there is no mention of term like:
1. duration of your probation
2. termination
3. resignation...and so on.


yes none officially mentioned in black and white yet its 3 months probation as i understand from the secretary.

TECHNICALLY - cross refer above items
1. Your probation period is infinite (continue to run until you are confirmed) until you are confirmed.
2. You can be terminated at any point in time.
3. 24 hours notice of resignation would suffice.


#1 : Serious? Lol. I dont think my boss is that keen to keep me on probation for that long.
#2 : Hmm but it has to be on firm basis i suppose? ie unsatisfactory performance or multiple warnings.
#3 : But i understand that 1months notice is the standard rite?

Btw u didnt mentioned in your offer letter whether it has a probation period or otherwise, I AM literally thinking that your letter of offer includes ur commencement date and salary only.

U are absolutely right.

My 2 cents you can resign any time you want, so long as you serve your notice on the company,.
Hmm okay. Tho ethically i do feel like i have wasted to company's sincere time and effort to get me in with all the training etc for the last 4 weeks, but as i progress each day in the company's business.........which involves alot of stuff, not just specific areas, none of which i have really grown interest in. Learning new things is good. But not putting my whole heart into my work will just slow me down and waste the company's time, and probably make my boss lose a few brain cells. i dont intend to be labled as a job hopper but i think moving on is the best i can think off. If i were to resign, i think it wud be with a happy heart. Haha.

Anyway thanks for the 2 cents. I swear there was 4 in there.........

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QUOTE(Pinarello @ Nov 20 2009, 07:42 PM)
thats quite suprising, nevertheless u should read the fine print.
what fine print? XD....... seriously there isnt any........


i.e. Your employment is subject to the applicable law i.e. Employment Act (even though your salary exceeds RM 1500-00)

By default since there are no other terms the applicable law will be choosen as default. (again Employment Act, even though your salary exceeds RM 1500-00)


None of these. And my starting salary is 1.6 =P

the above i am not certain off... but technically if there is no mention of term like:
1. duration of your probation
2. termination
3. resignation...and so on.


yes none officially mentioned in black and white yet its 3 months probation as i understand from the secretary.

TECHNICALLY - cross refer above items
1. Your probation period is infinite (continue to run until you are confirmed) until you are confirmed.
2. You can be terminated at any point in time.
3. 24 hours notice of resignation would suffice.


#1 : Serious? Lol. I dont think my boss is that keen to keep me on probation for that long.
#2 : Hmm but it has to be on firm basis i suppose? ie unsatisfactory performance or multiple warnings.
#3 : But i understand that 1months notice is the standard rite?

Btw u didnt mentioned in your offer letter whether it has a probation period or otherwise, I AM literally thinking that your letter of offer includes ur commencement date and salary only.

U are absolutely right.

My 2 cents you can resign any time you want, so long as you serve your notice on the company,.
Hmm okay. Tho ethically i do feel like i have wasted to company's sincere time and effort to get me in with all the training etc for the last 4 weeks, but as i progress each day in the company's business.........which involves alot of stuff, not just specific areas, none of which i have really grown interest in. Learning new things is good. But not putting my whole heart into my work will just slow me down and waste the company's time, and probably make my boss lose a few brain cells. i dont intend to be labled as a job hopper but i think moving on is the best i can think off. If i were to resign, i think it wud be with a happy heart. Haha.

Anyway thanks for the 2 cents. I swear there was 4 in there.........
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#1 : Serious? Lol. I dont think my boss is that keen to keep me on probation for that long.
#2 : Hmm but it has to be on firm basis i suppose? ie unsatisfactory performance or multiple warnings.
#3 : But i understand that 1months notice is the standard rite?


#1 the longer you are kept under probation, the more you will lose out in terms of increment, annual leave entitlement and bonus because you are not a permanent staff. Further, if your probation is extended normally means a person is under-performing. The terms of a probation staff is different from a permanent staff, for example termination of employment.

#2 & #3 like you said, there is no terms whatsoever in your contract. Whats stopping your employer from creating the law?
example liek you said, you "understand" from the secretary you probation period is 3 months.

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I suggest you clarify with your HR Dept (if there is one) the mysterious unwritten terms and procedures.

Don't want to get into a sticky situation later on.

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No HD department. The secretary does almost everything. Kesian her work so hard also.

but my point is there is no written statement handed to me to read or agree upon. So i dont know if i plan to resign (before end of the month), that giving two weeks notice and then my boss and supervisor comes up with excuse say "Oh standard notice is one month and we practise it always" when it is not even formally written and submitted to me for reading and agreeing.

If they do like that i feel its not fair.

Plus the company is slightly short of manpower/staff. Previously we had 5 working staff. 2 technicians 1 sales and 1 IT and me. The IT guy left abt 2 weeks ago. So now im slightly taking over his place while still doing the technical side. If i leave i wonder if they will with hold my tender on grounds not enough staff and ask me to stay longer. The company also now seems like in the midst of getting ready to move out more projects. Im also worried if i tender now the wont allow me. They cant do that right coz no formal agreement at all? Otherwise i will ask Labour Office.

Anyway thanks for any clarifications. TQ

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No HD department. The secretary does almost everything. Kesian her work so hard also.

but my point is there is no written statement handed to me to read or agree upon. So i dont know if i plan to resign (before end of the month), that giving two weeks notice and then my boss and supervisor comes up with excuse say "Oh standard notice is one month and we practise it always" when it is not even formally written and submitted to me for reading and agreeing.

If they do like that i feel its not fair.

Plus the company is slightly short of manpower/staff. Previously we had 5 working staff. 2 technicians 1 sales and 1 IT and me. The IT guy left abt 2 weeks ago. So now im slightly taking over his place while still doing the technical side. If i leave i wonder if they will with hold my tender on grounds not enough staff and ask me to stay longer. The company also now seems like in the midst of getting ready to move out more projects. Im also worried if i tender now the wont allow me. They cant do that right coz no formal agreement at all? Otherwise i will ask Labour Office.

Anyway thanks for any clarifications. TQ
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but my point is there is no written statement handed to me to read or agree upon. So i dont know if i plan to resign (before end of the month), that giving two weeks notice and then my boss and supervisor comes up with excuse say "Oh standard notice is one month and we practise it always" when it is not even formally written and submitted to me for reading and agreeing.

Note:
Do it first day of the month after u have collected ur pay check the day be4

Tender ur notice first day of the working month, if ur boss say it is one month notice than u ask him back what written statement say one month notice?

Than you say you always thought it was 24 hours notice.

Generally companies without a proper guideline/SOP pertaining to HR issues will get into trouble with minor issues like this. If its not put in writing, they can't create/make their own LAWs out of thin air thereafter because it is not something that you have AGREED to in your contract for employment.

Plus the company is slightly short of manpower/staff. Previously we had 5 working staff. 2 technicians 1 sales and 1 IT and me. The IT guy left abt 2 weeks ago. So now im slightly taking over his place while still doing the technical side. If i leave i wonder if they will with hold my tender on grounds not enough staff and ask me to stay longer. The company also now seems like in the midst of getting ready to move out more projects. Im also worried if i tender now the wont allow me. They cant do that right coz no formal agreement at all? Otherwise i will ask Labour Office.


Why do you care, whether the company is short of man power because they are expanding?

Tender your notice first, they can't stop you from leaving the company.

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Note to Pinarello:
What do you need to do:
1. Make up your mind whether you want to resign or continue your employment!
2. Make sure you tender your resignation first.
3. Tender your resignation FIRST day of the month
(reason being, you can walk off 24 hrs. If the company is one of those bad a$$ companies, try to use slimmy tactics to keep staff by without paying staff their salary and making their life miserable)
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Alright......thanks very much for guidance. May this be a guide to others as well.
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Dear all,

I juz work with a company which dun have a proper structure at all. I've been working here almost 3 months now. Now I want to resign. But since I didnt sign any offer letter,can I juz quit or must follow employment act minimum 4 weeks of notice.

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I have been working with my current employer almost 2++ years and I have a good rapport with my GM.

I tendered my resignation yesterday and thinking of request my GM to write a testimonial for me. Should i or not?
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QUOTE(otherwise @ Dec 15 2009, 11:26 PM)
I have been working with my current employer almost 2++ years and I have a good rapport with my GM.

I tendered my resignation yesterday and thinking of request my GM to write a testimonial for me. Should i or not?
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i usually just ask my ex-supervisors if they are ok to be quoted as references. testimonials i not so sure, perhaps if u r on good enough terms its easier to just give him a draft and ask him to edit where necessary, once he agrees of course.
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QUOTE(kombenasai @ Dec 14 2009, 02:19 AM)
Dear all,

I juz work with a company which dun have a proper structure at all. I've been working here almost 3 months now. Now I want to resign. But since I didnt sign any offer letter,can I juz quit or must follow employment act minimum 4  weeks of notice.
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Always leave in a positive note. Ask your direct superior or HRM Dept pertaining your notice period.

Regards, Joey

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My case has now moved slightly better........well i havent resigned yet but ive talked with my boss abt my situation. Luckily he is understanding and listens. So he roughly knows my intentions. 2 months already with the company. But as Joey says......leave with a high note. Which is what im doing at the moment. Maybe end of the month or after i get my salary i shall tender in.


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I have a question. Suppose if notice period is two months but tender resignation around 1.5 months further, possible ?
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I have a question. Suppose if notice period is two months but tender resignation around 1.5 months further, possible ?
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If you ask me, anything is possible.

You mean you only serve 1.5 months (i.e. 45 days) rather than the whole 2 months (i.e. 60 days) of your notice?

Assuming you were suppose to serve 2 months notice but only served 1.5 months.

My 2 cents:
1. You end up paying the balance of the number of days remaining i.e. 15 days.

2. Your attempt will most likely be rejected.

3. If you leave without serving the proper notice period required i.e. 1.5 months instead of 2 months:
a) Your company can take action against you for breach of contract (if its worth their while); or
b) Withhold your salary, if its due to you; or
c) you get blacklisted by the company (embarrassing if your prospective employer calls up for reference).

Finally.
Best is get waiver from company.




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Hi all, is it fine to tell my boss that I'm leaving if I do not get my expected pay raise?
I've been direct to my boss all the while. Reason is to allow him to start preparing for backups and operations won't be impacted without me.

Will they sack me for doing so?
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QUOTE(Shinichi @ Jan 30 2010, 12:26 AM)
Hi all, is it fine to tell my boss that I'm leaving if I do not get my expected pay raise?
I've been direct to my boss all the while. Reason is to allow him to start preparing for backups and operations won't be impacted without me.

Will they sack me for doing so?
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Normally,

People would find a job, than tell their boss.

Why?
1. it shows your serious about leaving your job.
2. if you find a job that pays you 50% more, you can turn around and tell your boss "hey look i am 50% under-valued in my current job in terms of salary".

At least you can bring something to the negotiating table rather than firing blanks at your boss.

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Hi all, is it fine to tell my boss that I'm leaving if I do not get my expected pay raise?

I've been direct to my boss all the while. Reason is to allow him to start preparing for backups and operations won't be impacted without me.

Well all i can say your honest, professional and ethical in carrying out your duties.

My thoughts n 2 cents:
1. how close are you with your boss?
2. does he normally keeps his promises?
Some companies have bosses good at manufacturing promises rather than keeping it.
3. is he a cheapskate?
Is your boss stingy, i have worked in a company that is willing to let go of senior staff and hiring a junior staff as replacement for cost reasons.
4. does your company have a high turnover rate (staff)?

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hai..i just receive a final warning letter is talking about all bullshit things about me...i just wanna ask is,can i straight get last warning since i never get the 1st and 2nd warning letter?they are writing to me final warning to me....look like damm serios...if i no sign it..they ask me get lost from this company...if i sign it..they easy to kick my out early???can some one adviece wat can i do?
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QUOTE(nicky1112001 @ Feb 2 2010, 12:43 PM)
hai..i just receive a final warning letter is talking about all bullshit things about me...i just wanna ask is,can i straight get last warning since i never get the 1st and 2nd warning letter?they are writing to me final warning to me....look like damm serios...if i no sign it..they ask me get lost from this company...if i sign it..they easy to kick my out early???can some one adviece wat can i do?
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To my knowledge, once u get a warning letter your not entitled to increment/bonus etc... and to some extent, this would be reflect consistently in your KPI (if applicable to you).

My thoughts/ 2 cents:
1. a person should be a given an opportunity to answer any issues arising in his/her employment;

2. as such a person would be given an opportunity to answer such issues before a panel (domestic enquiry?) or counseled by a qualified HR personnel;

3. finally, if all reasoning fails only than 1st/2nd/3rd warning letters are issued.

Unless of course an employee has been found to have committed some serious offence i.e. theft.

if i no sign it..they ask me get lost from this company...if i sign it..they easy to kick my out early???can some one adviece wat can i do?

I have to agree with you.

If you do sign the letter.
The implication is, if they choose to terminate your employment from the face of it looks pretty legitimate. Since you yourself sign off on the paper and technically agreed to all the statements contained in the warning letter. As such they don't have to pay you any compensation for immediate termination.

Example:
Normally depending on the notice period your required to give to your employer.

Say: your contract states that you are required to give 6 months notice, if your employer requires you to leave immediately. They need to compensate you with 6 months salary. This applies to the employee as well. (such terms may vary, this is just a benchmark)

If you don't sign the letter
Assuming:
1. they didn't go by the book;
2. they didn't give you an opportunity to reply; and
3. the "nature" of your so called offence is minor and does not warrant a warning letter.

Than i can safely say that you shouldn't sign off on that letter, you should:
1. ask for an explanation;
2. if the contents are untrue or malicious in nature, ask for an explanation;
3. if the contents are true to a certain extent, ask for opportunity to answer those allegations; and
4. finally try and negotiate with your employers not to issue you a warning letter (if possible).

To protect yourself, i suggest:
1. you put all correspondence in writting;
2. ask HR/Manager or whomever to put it in writing before corresponding with you (if otherwise i.e. verbal just ignore);
3. if in any doubt, put in writing.

Good luck.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Feb 2 2010, 02:21 PM)
To protect yourself, i suggest:
1. you put all correspondence in writting;
2. ask HR/Manager or whomever to put it in writing before corresponding with you (if otherwise i.e. verbal just ignore);
3. if in any doubt, put in writing.

Good luck.
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So true... put everythin in writing... you may want to use them later on (IF needed)...

But.. are you happy enuf to still work there after what they have done to you? icon_question.gif
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just a question,

today i tender my resignation...my boss ask me reason and where i work(actually i dun like to tell la), i said selangor and a vendor company...

He guessing and direct give me the name (vendor company name), OMG, i firstly wanna deny but after all then i just acknowledge lo...is it me stupid???


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QUOTE(ntick @ Feb 2 2010, 07:33 PM)
just a question,

today i tender my resignation...my boss ask me reason and where i work(actually i dun like to tell la), i said selangor and a vendor company...

He guessing and direct give me the name (vendor company name), OMG, i firstly wanna deny but after all then i just acknowledge lo...is it me stupid???
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It's a mistake when we confront our boss with this type of questions, even myself make such mistakes.

If i am in doubt, i just say i don't know and not too. Than say the only thing your sure of is you definitely want to resign.

Preferably not to be too honest when you resign, next time just say further studies or father want you to go back to do business or something.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Feb 2 2010, 09:19 AM)
Normally,

People would find a job, than tell their boss.

Why?
1. it shows your serious about leaving your job.
2. if you find a job that pays you 50% more, you can turn around and tell your boss "hey look i am 50% under-valued in my current job in terms of salary".

At least you can bring something to the negotiating table rather than firing blanks at your boss.

---

Hi all, is it fine to tell my boss that I'm leaving if I do not get my expected pay raise?

I've been direct to my boss all the while. Reason is to allow him to start preparing for backups and operations won't be impacted without me.

Well all i can say your honest, professional and ethical in carrying out your duties.

My thoughts n 2 cents:
1. how close are you with your boss?
2. does he normally keeps his promises?
Some companies have bosses good at manufacturing promises rather than keeping it.
3. is he a cheapskate?
Is your boss stingy, i have worked in a company that is willing to let go of senior staff and hiring a junior staff as replacement for cost reasons.
4. does your company have a high turnover rate (staff)?
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Thanks aurora97 for taking time to feedback on my post.

In this case I'll wait until I get a job only tell my boss.

And answer to your thoughts:
1. When I have issues or not happy with my job, I'll just tell my boss about it.
2. Depends on situation. If it's within his control yes. But in most cases my boss couldn't do much due to company direction. (My boss is 1 level above me but 5 levels below other bosses)
3. Certainly not.
4. Yes, my company has high turnover rate.


Added on February 3, 2010, 1:23 am
QUOTE(aurora97 @ Feb 3 2010, 12:57 AM)
Preferably not to be too honest when you resign, next time just say further studies or father want you to go back to do business or something.
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Any cons of being too honest when resigning? I'm thinking of listing my boss as my referral. Would this help?

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QUOTE(Shinichi @ Feb 3 2010, 01:21 AM)
Thanks aurora97 for taking time to feedback on my post.

In this case I'll wait until I get a job only tell my boss.

And answer to your thoughts:
1. When I have issues or not happy with my job, I'll just tell my boss about it.
2. Depends on situation. If it's within his control yes. But in most cases my boss couldn't do much due to company direction. (My boss is 1 level above me but 5 levels below other bosses)
3. Certainly not.
4. Yes, my company has high turnover rate.


Added on February 3, 2010, 1:23 am
Any cons of being too honest when resigning? I'm thinking of listing my boss as my referral. Would this help?
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And answer to your thoughts:
1. When I have issues or not happy with my job, I'll just tell my boss about it.
2. Depends on situation. If it's within his control yes. But in most cases my boss couldn't do much due to company direction. (My boss is 1 level above me but 5 levels below other bosses)
3. Certainly not.
4. Yes, my company has high turnover rate.


Any cons of being too honest when resigning? I'm thinking of listing my boss as my referral. Would this help?

It's really subjective and depending on situation. (as in nticks case)

Referral, perhaps you should speak to him first whether his agreeable or not to be your reference, as a courtesy.

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Feb 2 2010, 02:21 PM)
To my knowledge, once u get a warning letter your not entitled to increment/bonus etc... and to some extent, this would be reflect consistently in your KPI (if applicable to you).

My thoughts/ 2 cents:
1. a person should be a given an opportunity to answer any issues arising in his/her employment;

2. as such a person would be given an opportunity to answer such issues before a panel (domestic enquiry?) or counseled by a qualified HR personnel;

3. finally, if all reasoning fails only than 1st/2nd/3rd warning letters are issued.

Unless of course an employee has been found to have committed some serious offence i.e. theft.

if i no sign it..they ask me get lost from this company...if i sign it..they easy to kick my out early???can some one adviece wat can i do?

I have to agree with you.

If you do sign the letter.
The implication is, if they choose to terminate your employment from the face of it looks pretty legitimate. Since you yourself sign off on the paper and technically agreed to all the statements contained in the warning letter. As such they don't have to pay you any compensation for immediate termination.

Example:
Normally depending on the notice period your required to give to your employer.

Say: your contract states that you are required to give 6 months notice, if your employer requires you to leave immediately. They need to compensate you with 6 months salary. This applies to the employee as well. (such terms may vary, this is just a benchmark)

If you don't sign the letter
Assuming:
1. they didn't go by the book;
2. they didn't give you an opportunity to reply; and
3. the "nature" of your so called offence is minor and does not warrant a warning letter.

Than i can safely say that you shouldn't sign off on that letter, you should:
1. ask for an explanation;
2. if the contents are untrue or malicious in nature, ask for an explanation;
3. if the contents are true to a certain extent, ask for opportunity to answer those allegations; and
4. finally try and negotiate with your employers not to issue you a warning letter (if possible).

To protect yourself, i suggest:
1. you put all correspondence in writting;
2. ask HR/Manager or whomever to put it in writing before corresponding with you (if otherwise i.e. verbal just ignore);
3. if in any doubt, put in writing.

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tq for that..u are very a good kind person..too bad is..i already sign that letter.i have no choice or idea..if i no sign it...my bos will terminate me at the same time since chinee new years is coming...i need that jobs...but i will 100% after chinese new years.coz this company is not for human working...haha...anyways..tq alot for ur explaintion..tq alot.



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Will my bonus been heldback, even if i have the letter stated i will be pay for the bonus on the February salary in the even i were to put my resignation now?


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Hi Aurora,

Hope you can help me on this:

I have resigned on my current company on 4/2/2010 and need to serve notice period of 3 months.
I need to be released early due to the new company urgent need me.(Report date 15/3/2010)
So I pay 1 month notice and serve remaining 2months.

Current leave balance=15days
Situation is that the company do not allow me to deduct the balance leave 15days(3 weeks deduction).
Instead they pay me for the leave balance & I need to pay notice of 1 month & 3 weeks because of early release.(Last day 11/3/2010)
If like this I will not get full salary on March.(Calculation until 11/3/2010)

If the leave can be deducted, then I will get full salary March and I only pay 1 month notice only

Can the HR/management do not allow their employee to deduct the balance leave just to avoid full salary payment?



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Assuming...

Before the announcement, if you tender your resignation, most likely the person won't be entitled to the bonus.

After an announcement, most likely budget has been allocated already. Than again management can come up with fictitious rules that might prohibit you from collecting your bonus i.e. you resigned.

Perhaps you should wait until after you collect your bonus before you tender your resignation?


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Some HR depts have strange mechanisms in place, when a person resigns...

In your case, the HR don't allow you to offset your Annual Leave against your notice period and decides to pay u instead.

I think HR (or some unseen hands behind) just wants to play hard ball, i suggest:

1. ask HR why is it not possible to offset annual leave against notice period (in writing);

2. enquire around whether any person when they resign are allowed to use annual leave (earned) to off set their notice period;

3. if items 1 above doesn't work, ask HR directly whether they have done it before for any other staff;

4. confirm in writing whether it is a company policy/ HR guideline for them to prohibit off setting of Annual Leave against notice period and etc...

5. finally my contract doesnt say anything like that!

Explanation:

For items 1:
Ask them for an explanation in writing, it will help you in your arguement and prevent them from implying things that are not relevant in the first place i.e. your KPI, your Boss needs you, your are your bosses (Cougar/SheWolf) valentine etc...

Once you have a written explanation, depending on the reply they give you, you can start poking holes and see how long can they tahan.

For items 2:
If other people are entitled to offset their annual leave against their notice period, than it will serve your arguement well. You can turn around and ask HR back, why are you guys so double standard? Make sure you confirm this as a fact first.

If they say, "i don't know", "really", "oh really", "no such thinglar" and so on, ask them to put in writing.

For items 3:
Most likely a very tricky question for HR to answer, if just ONE person has been given an opportunity to use their annual leave to offset their notice period, they will be caught. This shows they have double standard.

They can say "no", no such thing has happened before. Than you say, "very good", please confirm in writing.

For items 4:
Ask for Company, Hr Policy or Guidelines pertaining to your situation, if they can't produce any supporting documents just because you are resigning that means that they are no sincere. Again ask them to put in writing as to why they do not provide you with copies when requested.

In any case, this might work as a double edge sword against you. If in any of the policies or guidelines in mentions that you are not permitted to offset annual leave against notice period than you might be caught.

For items 5:
If item 4, this is for small companies that do not have HR policies in place and everything is written in the sky or verbally and change every second.

Problems?

i am doubtful you will get a written confirmation/letter from HR for items 1-6. So here's my suggestion, speak to them verbally first than put in writing later:

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Feb 11 2010, 10:00 AM)
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Assuming...

Before the announcement, if you tender your resignation, most likely the person won't be entitled to the bonus.

After an announcement, most likely budget has been allocated already. Than again management can come up with fictitious rules that might prohibit you from collecting your bonus i.e. you resigned.

Perhaps you should wait until after you collect your bonus before you tender your resignation?
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Some HR depts have strange mechanisms in place, when a person resigns...

In your case, the HR don't allow you to offset your Annual Leave against your notice period and decides to pay u instead.

I think HR (or some unseen hands behind) just wants to play hard ball, i suggest:

1. ask HR why is it not possible to offset annual leave against notice period (in writing);

2. enquire around whether any person when they resign are allowed to use annual leave (earned) to off set their notice period;

3. if items 1 above doesn't work, ask HR directly whether they have done it before for any other staff;

4. confirm in writing whether it is a company policy/ HR guideline for them to prohibit off setting of Annual Leave against notice period and etc...

5. finally my contract doesnt say anything like that!

Explanation:

For items 1:
Ask them for an explanation in writing, it will help you in your arguement and prevent them from implying things that are not relevant in the first place i.e. your KPI, your Boss needs you, your are your bosses (Cougar/SheWolf) valentine etc...

Once you have a written explanation, depending on the reply they give you, you can start poking holes and see how long can they tahan.

For items 2:
If other people are entitled to offset their annual leave against their notice period, than it will serve your arguement well. You can turn around and ask HR back, why are you guys so double standard? Make sure you confirm this as a fact first.

If they say, "i don't know", "really", "oh really", "no such thinglar" and so on, ask them to put in writing.

For items 3:
Most likely a very tricky question for HR to answer, if just ONE person has been given an opportunity to use their annual leave to offset their notice period, they will be caught. This shows they have double standard.

They can say "no", no such thing has happened before. Than you say, "very good", please confirm in writing.

For items 4:
Ask for Company, Hr Policy or Guidelines pertaining to your situation, if they can't produce any supporting documents just because you are resigning that means that they are no sincere. Again ask them to put in writing as to why they do not provide you with copies when requested.

In any case, this might work as a double edge sword against you. If in any of the policies or guidelines in mentions that you are not permitted to offset annual leave against notice period than you might be caught.

For items 5:
If item 4, this is for small companies that do not have HR policies in place and everything is written in the sky or verbally and change every second.

Problems?

i am doubtful you will get a written confirmation/letter from HR for items 1-6. So here's my suggestion, speak to them verbally first than put in writing later:

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Hi Aurora,

Thx for your reply.
Actually I have ask the HR why I cant offset my A/L?
She answer that "is our policy that you can only offset your A/L if your serve full notice 3 months"
If serve 2 month notice ,we will pay you by cash on the balance A/L

So what should I do?She didn't show me the policy either.
Do I have the rights to choose to offset the balance A/L so that I can full salary payment?

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i has already tendered my resignation notice to the management people n he has signed it,but i didn't make a photocopy of the signed notice.
later the company refuse to pay me my salary, n claimed that i didn't give them any resignation letter.
is there anything i can do?
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QUOTE(lawhsee @ Feb 10 2010, 10:33 PM)
Hi Aurora,

Hope you can help me on this:

I have resigned on my current company on 4/2/2010 and need to serve notice period of 3 months.
I need to be released early due to the new company urgent need me.(Report date 15/3/2010)
So I pay 1 month notice and serve remaining 2months.

Current leave balance=15days
Situation is that the company do not allow me to deduct the balance leave 15days(3 weeks deduction).
Instead they pay me for the leave balance & I need to pay notice of 1 month & 3 weeks because of early release.(Last day 11/3/2010)
If like this I will not get full salary on March.(Calculation until 11/3/2010)

If the leave can be deducted, then I will get full salary March and I only pay 1 month notice only

Can the HR/management do not allow their employee to deduct the balance leave just to avoid full salary payment?
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after considering your scenario again, i did enquire with some HR friend about your predicament.

If you had offset your balance entitlement say...

Balance Leave 15 days

Notice Period 3 months

You Serve 2 months.

You Pay 1 month penalty.

If you had offset you leave balance for the full 2 months that you were serving, i reckon this would be possible.

Unfortunately if you attempt to offset your leave period against the 1 month penalty period, i am afriad its not possible.

I believes this has something to do with entitlements and the calculations of how leaves are earned.

And i think thats why thats one of the reasons why HR refuse to allow such offsetting.

I suggest u seek assistance on this matter as well.


Added on February 23, 2010, 9:20 am
QUOTE(babe_yy @ Feb 22 2010, 11:25 PM)
i has already tendered my resignation notice to the management people n he has signed it,but i didn't make a photocopy of the signed notice. 
later the company refuse to pay me my salary, n claimed that i didn't give them any resignation letter.
is there anything i can do?
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Ask HR a copy of the notice.



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QUOTE(babe_yy @ Feb 22 2010, 11:25 PM)
i has already tendered my resignation notice to the management people n he has signed it,but i didn't make a photocopy of the signed notice. 
later the company refuse to pay me my salary, n claimed that i didn't give them any resignation letter.
is there anything i can do?
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Request for it to be photocopied for your record. It is as simple as that.

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Hmm just wanted to know, what are the right procedures to resign from a part time job where's there's no contract or anything that binds both parties?

And let's say you're in your first day at a company as a part timer, and u haven't signed any letter of employment yet, how would u resign if u decide to resign after the first day itself? Is it okay to just leave an email?

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QUOTE(cutejams2004 @ Mar 13 2010, 11:06 AM)
Hmm just wanted to know, what are the right procedures to resign from a part time job where's there's no contract or anything that binds both parties?

And let's say you're in your first day at  a company as a part timer, and u haven't signed any letter of employment yet, how would u resign if u decide to resign after the first day itself? Is it okay to just leave an email?

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It's a part time job. You may want to inform them verbally and/or send an email of notification. It is as simple as that.

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Hi,

I have a condition where my notice period is 3 months, and my future company is willing to buy 2 months out of 3, and I just have to serve my current company for 1 month notice period. However, in a talk with my boss, even though my future company is willing to pay for it, it's up for my boss to accept such compensation. Is that mutual agreement, or if I'm willing to pay for it, they have to accept it?

I haven't check with my HR as I would like to talk to my boss first, let her know of my condition. My boss told me that it's up to the department to accept such buyout.

Please advise. Thanks.
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I believe its ur company descretion to agree to buyout. Department, I dunno. Try nego wif ur boss, consult HR too on previous buyouts that have happen b4.
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QUOTE(blahbleh @ Mar 17 2010, 08:43 AM)
Hi,

I have a condition where my notice period is 3 months, and my future company is willing to buy 2 months out of 3, and I just have to serve my current company for 1 month notice period. However, in a talk with my boss, even though my future company is willing to pay for it, it's up for my boss to accept such compensation. Is that mutual agreement, or if I'm willing to pay for it, they have to accept it?

I haven't check with my HR as I would like to talk to my boss first, let her know of my condition. My boss told me that it's up to the department to accept such buyout.

Please advise. Thanks.
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You can play dirty if you want. You have the call for the shot. But I would suggest you negotiate your way in first.

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Just came back from HR. I have to say that my negotiation with my boss has failed, and I have proceeded the matter to HR. HR enlightened me that "they have no rights to stop you from leaving", so I have submitted another letter in order for HR to come out with the calculation (remaining months to pay etc).

I have to do this as this is the only company that is willing to buy me out, plus they are offering good package. I'm risking my rice bowl if I keep them waiting. Once, I have to be selfish in this matter.
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I have one rather odd question and would appreciate if anyone could help me answer. Should the company pay me my bonus let's say on the 15/3/2010 and already credited into my account, should i tender my resignation on the day itself, could they turn around and ask me to pay back the bonus to them? Is this legal? Just curious....
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Hi guys, I've got a small prob. My fren has not been confirmed by co. A but they still asked me to give 2 months notice. My fren has written what is in the contract and the handbook below. The contract dosent differenciate between a confirmed and a staff under probation. Co A did also give one of his colleague 1 month pay n did not confirm him ( Based on the handbook). He has to join Co B after the notice. Notice was from 19 March to 18 April. He also has 6 days annual leave balance.The co has said that they will hold his pay for April untill he pays 1 more month notice.What can he do?

The contract states

3. Probation and Notice of termination

3.1 You shall serve a probationary period of six (6) months. The probationary period may be extended in writing at our sole discretion for a further period not exceeding another three (3) month(s).

3.2 Following completion of the probationary period including any extension thereof, you shall be advised in writing by us on whether you have been confirmed for regular employment.

3.3 During your employment, your employment may be terminated by either party giving the other party two (2) months' notice in writing or two (2) months' pay in lieu of notice. No reason need be assigned for such termination and no claim by you shall arise out of such termination.

4. Other terms

4.1 You shall be subjected to all other terms and conditions of employment as contained in our Employment Handbook and/or such other corporate manuals as may be issued to you from time to time.

4.2 You shall abide by all terms, conditions, rules and regulations and observe all policies, practices and guidelines relating to standards, work ethics, safety and such other employment related matters currently in force (and updated from time to time) as stipulated in our Employment Handbook and/or other corporate manuals issued to you.

The handbook states,

31. Probationary period

31.1 Unless stated otherwise in your contract of employment, you will be on probation for the first three (3) months of your employment with the Company. We may extend this probationary period for a further period of three (3) months at our discretion. This period will give both of us an opportunity to explore whether or not you are suited to this position.

31.2 During your probation/extended probationary period, your manager will review and discuss your performance with you.

31.3 Having reviewed your performance, conduct, general suitability and compatibility during your probationary period, we will decide whether or not to confirm your employment on a permanent basis.

31.4 At any time during the probationary period including any extension thereof, your employment may be terminated by either party giving the other party one (1) month's notice in writing or one (1) month's pay in lieu of notice. No reason need be assigned for such termination.

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As convoluted as your mind, I'm not sure if I should address you or your friend pertaining the above mentioned complications. As a summary based on your posting, I would say, there is a time to score and a time to sit on the bench.

Unfortunately, you have to sit on the bench. Period.

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hi,
i tender resignation on 15/3/10 with one month notice so last day should be 15/4/2010. but after deducting prorated annual leave now my last day is 20/3/10. question is when should March and April Salary be paid.

Is Mar + Apr salary paid in one lump sum on the last day of employment (20/3/10) or before end of March

Or

Is Mar's salary paid before end of March and Apr's salary paid before end of April

Please advise. Thanks in advance



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QUOTE(graneon @ Mar 31 2010, 09:41 PM)
hi,
i tender resignation on 15/3/10 with one month notice so last day should be 15/4/2010. but after deducting prorated annual leave now my last day is 20/3/10. question is when should March and April Salary be paid.

Is Mar + Apr salary paid in one lump sum on the last day of employment (20/3/10) or before end of March

Or

Is Mar's salary paid before end of March and Apr's salary paid before end of April

Please advise. Thanks in advance
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salary will be credit to yr account on monthly basis. thanks.
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Hi,
i have to serve one month notice before i join new company. but new company is willing to pay 2weeks. is that possiblel to serve 2 weeks notice and pay 2weeks?

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depends on how u negotiate with ur boss, if got green light then ok , if not work until ur one month is up, or pay them one month off

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thanks.
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well still feels that the employer will have more trump card to show compared to employee
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QUOTE(DiRecToRofSaTaN @ Apr 7 2010, 04:16 PM)
well still feels that the employer will have more trump card to show compared to employee
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Generally your statement is correct without a doubt.

Really depends on a-lot of factors, but the main one would be relationship.

You can roughly gouge your relationship with your boss to ascertain whether you can negotiate with your boss or otherwise.

If your relationship is excellent, most likely your boss will go all out for you.

If your relationship is in the midst of divorce, than most likely you will have a hell of a time.

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Aiyoh simple just tell ur boss u are joining competitor. I bet he will ask u to leave on the same day
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when u resign, do u need the company to give u your EA form?
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of course the company responsible to give the ea form to employees , before you left the company pls check with hr dept when you'll getting the ea form ..
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i want to ask if the boss is always not around can i call him and tell him that i want to resign and then give the letter to him when he is in the office?
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hi all,

let said i got 10 balance annual leave not used...

and i plan to off set it so i could leave early ...

then will company pay me back the annual leave ?
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QUOTE(ks_kore @ Apr 22 2010, 12:11 PM)
i want to ask if the boss is always not around can i call him and tell him that i want to resign and then give the letter to him when he is in the office?
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If your boss is phantom of the opera than i guess yes, you should inform him of this (telephone/email).

When his in the office, than only to submit your letter of resignation to him.

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However, if you want a faster alternative.

Inform your boss, than ask permission to submit your letter of resignation to HR directly. At least you don't have to wait forever?

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If you want a super-fast alternative.

Submit directly to HR.

However, your boss will think you stabbed him from behind.

QUOTE(clsiluf @ Apr 22 2010, 09:21 PM)
hi all,

let said i got 10 balance annual leave not used...

and i plan to off set it so i could leave early ...

then will company pay me back the annual leave ?
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company is not going to pay you back, if you used ur annual leave to set off resignation notice period than its considered used.

say for example:
If on your effective date you still have 10 days annual leave remaining than only will the company pay you back.

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QUOTE(clsiluf @ Apr 22 2010, 09:21 PM)
hi all,

let said i got 10 balance annual leave not used...

and i plan to off set it so i could leave early ...

then will company pay me back the annual leave ?
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LOL you can't have both !

You can either choose to offset the leave so that you can leave early,
or you can work until the last day, and the company will pay for the leave smile.gif
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Am probably going to resign soon, but i can't seem to find my employment contract.
Do you think HR will give me a copy if I ask for one?
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Am probably going to resign soon, but i can't seem to find my employment contract.
Do you think HR will give me a copy if I ask for one?
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yes u cant ask for a photocopy of it, but ask for it before you tender your resignation letter.
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Hi there, not sure if this is the right place to ask,

I am going to resign,
says like my case, I am submiting the resign letter on 14/5, with 2 months prior notice, my employment shall end on 14/7.

Ok, my question is, if my boss ever reject my resignation, means I cannot leave on 14/7?
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QUOTE(kanethesun @ May 11 2010, 12:39 PM)
Hi there, not sure if this is the right place to ask,

I am going to resign,
says like my case, I am submiting the resign letter on 14/5, with 2 months prior notice, my employment shall end on 14/7.

Ok, my question is, if my boss ever reject my resignation, means I cannot leave on 14/7?
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no such thing as reject your resignation. submit ur resignation letter to your boss and cc one copy to HR officially. Then wait your HR to contact you on how many days left you need to serve the company.
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erm,

My HR Manager = Boss's wife

so far, 2 senior exec tender their resignation letter,
then boss and HR Manager will always call them go into their office, BRAINWASHHH, po pek po pek po pek, I dont know what they talk la.

End up, both also stay back.

so if I submit my letter on 14/5 officially, and I shall free after 2 months right? (says like my prior notice only 2 months)

No such thing like rejecting resignation right???
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QUOTE(kanethesun @ May 11 2010, 01:55 PM)
erm,

My HR Manager = Boss's wife

so far, 2 senior exec tender their resignation letter,
then boss and HR Manager will always call them go into their office, BRAINWASHHH, po pek po pek po pek, I dont know what they talk la.

End up, both also stay back.

so if I submit my letter on 14/5 officially, and I shall free after 2 months right? (says like my prior notice only 2 months)

No such thing like rejecting resignation right???
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yea no such thg. most probably both of them are a good china salesman. haha anyway you can always use this reason.

I got an offer already! the company is offering me x2 the amount of your current salary and workload is pretty much the same bla bla. say it in a firm way! and do not disclose the company as you say that is p&c to you.
Usually they will counter offer you this moment, if they are willing to pay then you should consider but if you are really not happy working there already, just tell them it's too late. you guys should have rewarded me accordingly earlier. not now.... and the story goes on..... give them a piece of your mind and tell them how much u hate the way the manage the company bla bla bla. yada yada yada. hahaha

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Lol, you're them righttt, they're China Man & CHina WOMANNN!!!
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QUOTE(kanethesun @ May 11 2010, 03:07 PM)
Lol, you're them righttt, they're China Man & CHina WOMANNN!!!
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Well that's the fact, lotta sme companies are that way. ahah. just find you way to reject them unless they reward u up to your expectation.
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just want to confirm again, so if I submit the resign letter on 14/5, I can just leave the company after 2 months notice yeaa? tongue.gif

says like if they insist dont want to take my resign letter, what else I can do actually? hmm.gif
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stand firm man. if your a sissy then different story. after i resign from my 1st job. My SOM talked to me, My Manager talk to me, and even my MD had a chat with me. basically all of them would have the same technique. same speech. same intention which is to make you stay. but i stand firm and i told them... too late....
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how to write a good resignation letter for a corporate company ?
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im currently employed for about 1.5 months so far in a small construction company.

unfortunately, the company management is extremely bad that not many want to give projects to our company. infact, 1 team is being sent back from labuan due to poor performance. the company itself might close business any time soon because both director and managing director are 70 already, and no one else to take over the business... its gonna be a dead end sooner or later.

is there any sort of law that i can use regarding instability of the company to resign immediately? my terms of employment says i need to submit a 1 month notice. i already have a better offer.

please do advice.thanks in advance.


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Hi all, let say my notice period is 2 months, if I leave 1 month earlier then I'll need to pay 1 month salary.

But I would like to know if we can take unpaid leave during the 2 months notice period?

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wow, this thread is very useful!

may need it someday.. whistling.gif
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i also leaving current employer....by the way have to pay back for 15days salary...cisss
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if they insist dont want to take my resign letter, what else I can do actually?


Your employee contract, there is a clause, either party can terminate the contract by written notice. Which mean, they can't refuse to accept your resignation letter, it will then become illegal as it is intentional unless they can offer you a better contractual term for you to stay.

Standard is 2 months notice, or your prospective company pay them 1 month, so you can leave after 1 month.


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hmm...i wonder any expert here can answer my situation...

I got 2 months notice period to serve but i have more than 2 months annual leave to offset my notice period. But my company said is upon company's approval only i can do that...icon_question.gif
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Aiyoh simple just tell ur boss u are joining competitor. I bet he will ask u to leave on the same day
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QUOTE(RazorVista @ May 25 2010, 05:34 PM)
hmm...i wonder any expert here can answer my situation...

I got 2 months notice period to serve but i have more than 2 months annual leave to offset my notice period. But my company said is upon company's approval only i can do that...icon_question.gif
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If that case, u may ask them after u serve for 2 months, will the company going to pay u for the untaken-leave according to your salary?
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QUOTE(RazorVista @ May 25 2010, 05:34 PM)
hmm...i wonder any expert here can answer my situation...

I got 2 months notice period to serve but i have more than 2 months annual leave to offset my notice period. But my company said is upon company's approval only i can do that...icon_question.gif
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Ask the labour dept for advice. You're leaving anyway.
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There is a clause saying "The annual leave can be use after 1 year period of service". Does that apply during resignation too?

Say, i work on 1st Jan 2010. Confirmation on 30th June (after 6 mths). Annual leave per year = 12 days. Therefore i am entitle to 6 days, right.

If i resign on 1st July, the company have to pay me the 6 days leave, am i right?
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I'm currently still in probation and would like to resign due to overseas opportunity, but the termination clause is tricky. It is pure unfair treatment when one in probation need to serve 3 months notice.

"The company or you may terminate this contract of employment by giving the other party 3 month's notice or pay the equivalent of 3 month's salary in lieu of notice."

There is no mention of termination during probation so I guess the clause "contract of employment" means the very first day you start work.

Anyone faced similar issue before?



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Let say; my friend is a contract staff for a local company.
Its 1 year contract and ended on Nov 2009.
he still continue working like normal and they still didn't renew his contract.
Will he facing any problem if he wanted to give 24hours resign notice.
According to the contract he should give 1 month resign notice.
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well technically he does not work for that company anymore right'?
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I also want to leave and this is the start of my 4 month

Work environment sucks man
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QUOTE(TommyTan @ Jun 7 2010, 04:40 PM)
well technically he does not work for that company anymore right'?
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he is still working. but just without any contract.
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QUOTE(skeri @ Jun 8 2010, 05:18 PM)
he is still working. but just without any contract.
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there should be an official documented relationship between employee and employer you know.

either he is a permanent, a contract, a temp, or even a contracTOR, all also must have documentation as long as service is being rendered and paid.


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ok, got question here, but i don't know how to xplain it..so i try to make it very simple.

currently working as permenant basis
shud put tender of resignation 1 month = am i correct?
and monthly paycheck at 28th every month
so, i want to put tender of resignation on 1st of new month as 24hours tender, then will i need to pay them/cut my salary?

really lost here..
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He is only signed one contract that stated he will be working under 1 Year contract period, but after the period is over that is last year, he didn't signed any contract extension form.

Is he still bound to any contract or just working as service provider?
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Well technically there is probably a service provider relationship at most, company dont even need to pay epf/socso
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QUOTE(skeri @ Jun 9 2010, 10:18 AM)
He is only signed one contract that stated he will be working under 1 Year contract period, but after the period is over that is last year, he didn't signed any contract extension form.

Is he still bound to any contract or just working as service provider?
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good question.

Contract:

1. If its expressly stated that your contract will be valid for one year.
2. Can safely assume that your employment and the terms and conditions applicable to the employment will expire upon the anniversary of contract.

My 2 cents:
1. Not bound by contract.
2. Service Provider/Freelancer?

My suggestion:
1. Get an extension immediately or quit the company.


Added on June 11, 2010, 3:32 am
QUOTE(riazorblues @ Jun 9 2010, 10:14 AM)
ok, got question here, but i don't know how to xplain it..so i try to make it very simple.

currently working as permenant basis
shud put tender of resignation 1 month = am i correct?
and monthly paycheck at 28th every month
so, i want to put tender of resignation on 1st of new month as 24hours tender, then will i need to pay them/cut my salary?

really lost here..
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For termination, whether your permanent or temporary basis its irrelevant. What's important is your letter of offer/employment, depending on the terms contained. I suggest you check carefully the notice period required of you cause from the way you put it, you sound kind of blur.

Assuming 1 month notice.

Tender notice 31st December 2009,
last day of work is 31st January 2010,
effective 1st February 2010

*ignoring all the weekdays/holiday/ strange practices.

If you decide to tender 24 hours notice, than most likely you will have to pay the company 1 month salary in default of your notice period.

Example:

You earn RM 1K
than you pay the company RM 1 K for tendering 24 hours notice.


Added on June 11, 2010, 3:32 am
QUOTE(riazorblues @ Jun 9 2010, 10:14 AM)
ok, got question here, but i don't know how to xplain it..so i try to make it very simple.

currently working as permenant basis
shud put tender of resignation 1 month = am i correct?
and monthly paycheck at 28th every month
so, i want to put tender of resignation on 1st of new month as 24hours tender, then will i need to pay them/cut my salary?

really lost here..
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For termination, whether your permanent or temporary basis its irrelevant. What's important is your letter of offer/employment, depending on the terms contained. I suggest you check carefully the notice period required of you cause from the way you put it, you sound kind of blur.

Assuming 1 month notice.

Tender notice 31st December 2009,
last day of work is 31st January 2010,
effective 1st February 2010

*ignoring all the weekdays/holiday/ strange practices.

If you decide to tender 24 hours notice, than most likely you will have to pay the company 1 month salary in default of your notice period.

Example:

You earn RM 1K
than you pay the company RM 1 K for tendering 24 hours notice.


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QUOTE(toughgshock @ Jun 4 2010, 04:48 PM)
There is a clause saying "The annual leave can be use after 1 year period of service". Does that apply during resignation too?

Say, i work on 1st Jan 2010. Confirmation on 30th June (after 6 mths). Annual leave per year = 12 days. Therefore i am entitle to 6 days, right.

If i resign on 1st July, the company have to pay me the 6 days leave, am i right?
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Reading literally the clause "the annual leave can be use after 1 year period of service" means:

You can only use your annual leave after one year of service with the company???

Say for example you work from 1st Jan 2010 to 31st December 2010, you only use your annual leave on 1st Jan 2011???

I suggest you...
Ask HR, whether you have earned any leave or not or whether your entitled to any?

If you have earned leave but not planning to offset your annual leave with your notice period, instead you opt to convert your annual leave into cash than its best you speak to HR or your boss to see if its possible. Otherwise, the 6 days earned leave as you have mentioned will be burnt.

Normally... its not possible (annual leave convert to cash), than again no harm trying?

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Hi,
Jest 1 2 clearify below cases :
a) I need give 1 month notice
b) I tender on Jul 1, last day Jul 31
c) Then I got 15days holi and use up to knock off
d) So, is it my last day in company is Jul 15?
e) Can I start work in new company by Jul 16?

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QUOTE(iobai @ Jun 16 2010, 12:27 AM)
Hi,
Jest 1 2 clearify below cases :
a) I need give 1 month notice
b) I tender on Jul 1, last day Jul 31
c) Then I got 15days holi and use up to knock off
d) So, is it my last day in company is Jul 15?
e) Can I start work in new company by Jul 16?

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if u want to use ur earned leave to set off your notice period, i suggest you submit ur leave form first before you tender resignation. Otherwise, the company might not allow u to use your earn leave to offset ur resignation period;

and also it also depends whether ur boss allows u to do it or not.

if everyone ok, than everything should happen according to (a) - (e) as mentioned above.


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hi i just got a few things to clarify to all the HR expert here. Say if i tender my resignation with 1 month notice. Am i still eligible for paternity leave and the medical benefits during the 1 month notice period?
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Hi, am in a pinch right now.

I was on a 6 month contract (my so called probation period), and it ends on 30/6/2010. However, just this morning, my supervisor told me that instead of confirming me, they're going to further my contract for another 2 months.

Due to various reasons, I don't intend to continue the contract.

The T&C in my current contract states that I am to give a 2 weeks (14 days) notice when I tender my resignation. But if I were to tender tomorrow, I only have 1 more week until my contract ends.

Am I supposed to hand in my letter, or can I just let my contract expire?
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QUOTE(Lysa.Ng @ Jun 22 2010, 02:27 PM)
Hi, am in a pinch right now.

I was on a 6 month contract (my so called probation period), and it ends on 30/6/2010. However, just this morning, my supervisor told me that instead of confirming me, they're going to further my contract for another 2 months.

Due to various reasons, I don't intend to continue the contract.

The T&C in my current contract states that I am to give a 2 weeks (14 days) notice when I tender my resignation. But if I were to tender tomorrow, I only have 1 more week until my contract ends.

Am I supposed to hand in my letter, or can I just let my contract expire?
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Ur case same as mine before. I still handover notice. this is just to notify ur employer that u dont want to continue. if u let ur contract expire also can. But ur supervisor will thought that u will continue the contract.
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QUOTE(fire_chrome @ Jun 22 2010, 03:39 PM)
Ur case same as mine before. I still handover notice. this is just to notify ur employer that u dont want to continue. if u let ur contract expire also can. But ur supervisor will thought that u will continue the contract.
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I see... So if I put the date of my last day same as my contract last day, it's ok?
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QUOTE(Lysa.Ng @ Jun 22 2010, 02:27 PM)
Hi, am in a pinch right now.

I was on a 6 month contract (my so called probation period), and it ends on 30/6/2010. However, just this morning, my supervisor told me that instead of confirming me, they're going to further my contract for another 2 months.

Due to various reasons, I don't intend to continue the contract.

The T&C in my current contract states that I am to give a 2 weeks (14 days) notice when I tender my resignation. But if I were to tender tomorrow, I only have 1 more week until my contract ends.

Am I supposed to hand in my letter, or can I just let my contract expire?
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As a formality you should tender your resignation in accordance with your contract rather than to leave it to chance (i.e. contract expires), probably will save you a lot of hassle later on. For example: your employer thinks that you accept their offer to continue for another 2months.

QUOTE(Lysa.Ng @ Jun 22 2010, 11:01 PM)
I see... So if I put the date of my last day same as my contract last day, it's ok?
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You can do that.

or just say...

As per my contract dated xx, i hereby tender my resignation letter in accordance with the terms and conditions of the contract.


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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jun 23 2010, 02:10 AM)
As a formality you should tender your resignation in accordance with your contract rather than to leave it to chance (i.e. contract expires), probably will save you a lot of hassle later on. For example: your employer thinks that you accept their offer to continue for another 2months. 
You can do that.

or just say...

As per my contract dated xx, i hereby tender my resignation letter in accordance with the terms and conditions of the contract.
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Ok, that clears up alot of things. Thanks, really appreciated your help.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jun 16 2010, 01:27 AM)
if u want to use ur earned leave to set off your notice period, i suggest you submit ur leave form first before you tender resignation. Otherwise, the company might not allow u to use your earn leave to offset ur resignation period;

and also it also depends whether ur boss allows u to do it or not.

if everyone ok, than everything should happen according to (a) - (e) as mentioned above.
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hi thanks n sorry for late reply...
but i think once i submit my leave (online), my boss already kno!! haha...

anyway, regarding my resignation letter (base on my scenario), ok for me to put like dis :

I wish to inform the management that I would like to tender my resignation....
I hereby give one (1) month notice with effect from 1st July 2010.

My last working day will be on 11th July 2010 which I shall use my annual leave in
lieu of notice of termination from 12th~31th July 2010.


thanks.
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Hi I nid some info from Hr expert:

Situation:

Let say he got an offer which require to start work on 12 July,question is can he dun serve the 2 weeks notice period if he quit end of this month (30th)?? coz he quit end of this month the company pay for him this month salary no need pay for the next month 2 weeks salary good for company good for him also?? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(brewoe_1988 @ Jun 26 2010, 06:43 PM)
Hi I nid some info from Hr expert:

Situation:

Let say he got an offer which require to start work on 12 July,question is can he dun serve the 2 weeks notice period if he quit end of this month (30th)?? coz he quit end of this month the company pay for him this month salary no need pay for the next month 2 weeks salary good for company good for him also?? rclxub.gif
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Not only the company won't pay you the 2 weeks, but you need to pay the company for that 2 weeks.
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I'm working as a teacher in a kindergarten, after 4 years, due to some reason, I've decided to leave.

I've already summit-ed my one-month notice (month ago) and today should be the last day of that one month (30 June).
However, my boss still assign many tasks for me and said If I can't finish it, I might need to go there and work for her on the following days (tomorrow, 1 July and so on).

My question is, are she having the right to do so since I'm not her employees anymore? Also, she is keeping my remaining EPF and salary, I afraid that I can't even get it without the job done.

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QUOTE(iobai @ Jun 25 2010, 11:57 AM)
hi thanks n sorry for late reply...
but i think once i submit my leave (online), my boss already kno!! haha...

anyway, regarding my resignation letter (base on my scenario), ok for me to put like dis :

I wish to inform the management that I would like to tender my resignation....
I hereby give one (1) month notice with effect from 1st July 2010.

My last working day will be on 11th July 2010 which I shall use my annual leave in
lieu of notice of termination from 12th~31th July 2010.


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QUOTE(iobai @ Jul 1 2010, 09:38 AM)
guys, ny ideas? my timing is running up!! hahaha.. notworthy.gif
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"1 month notice as per the employment contract" would be better.

Also, are you sure you have 20 days leave? Some companies will prorate since you are not serving the full year.
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QUOTE(TommyTan @ Jul 2 2010, 01:48 PM)
"1 month notice as per the employment contract" would be better.

Also, are you sure you have 20 days leave? Some companies will prorate since you are not serving the full year.
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yupp...more den dat, coz i can carry fwd my last year+last 2 year leave...
sure, 1 month notice, but 3 weeks on AL..haha..

ok...best of luck 2 me!!!

thanks.
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hi..wanna know if let say i tender my letter on 15th July, is it the company got power to postpone the date to accept my resign letter on month end only?
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hi..wanna know if let say i tender my letter on 15th July, is it the company got power to postpone the date to accept my resign letter on month end only?
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That's odd...

You can start by asking them, why can't i tender my notice on the 15th of July?

if it's some rubbish reason like:
1. feng suila;
2. i need someone to do my work for me; or
3. cause difficult to calculate, need to round up figure.

Than it quite obvious its not a good reason.

Secondly, your contract in your employment letter i am quite sure doesn't say anywhere that the company can postpone your notice period.

Normally, it just say if you want to resign, your contract will say you have to tender X month's notice.

I strongly suggest try and talk to your bosses (manager or whomever), if you really need to tender notice on 15th.

If your boss is damn LCLY and talking to him/her is like talking to 10 ft of reinforced concrete.

Than you should tender your resignation direct to HR. Ask the Head of Department to acknowledge receipt. Indirectly, this is like screwing your boss from behind. Than again who can hold you back from resigning?
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hi there, I have a question,

I plan to tender my resignation on tomorrow (16/7)

by right I only need to give 2 months notice in advance, so my last day would be 16/9 (Malaysia Day, hahahahahaha)

but then I have around 12 days of AL, my Q is, can I reduce all my AL, says like until 4/9, and I pay for the 4 days wages, so my last day will end on 31/8? is this possible?
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if they say 24 hours notice or salary in-lieu, does that mean you can leave after giving 1 day notice?
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My fren just started work in a small audit firm for 2mths. At the 2nd mth of probation period her boss told her that her performance very bad and want her to leave.

Her boss said will give 1 mth notice period but during that 1 mth my fren sure will take leave and go for other new job interview. So, he gave my fren a so called "mutual agreement" and release my fren on the spot without any extra payment.

Is it a proper procedure to sack my fren like that?

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hi bro all here, i need advice regarding on my contract.

my contract list i need to serve 1year/12month and after confirmation need to give 1 month notice. my last date is 19/8 and i submit my resign latter to HR few day ago.

The HR say i can not resign now because i need to finish my contract 1 year then only can resign and need 1 month notice. so which is i need work until 19/8 and plus 1 month notice then the last day is on 19/9. if they proceed my resign latter then i need to pay back the whole year salary.

so now is that i have no choice to follow them my last day is 19/09 or i can just stop work after 19/08?

thanks for the advice
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QUOTE(qqstranger @ Jul 19 2010, 05:52 PM)
hi bro all here, i need advice regarding on my contract.

my contract list i need to serve 1year/12month and after confirmation need to give 1 month notice. my last date is 19/8 and i submit my resign latter to HR few day ago.

The HR say i can not resign now because i need to finish my contract 1 year then only can resign and need 1 month notice. so which is i need work until 19/8 and plus 1 month notice then the last day is on 19/9. if they proceed my resign latter then i need to pay back the whole year salary.

so now is that i have no choice to follow them my last day is 19/09 or i can just stop work after 19/08?

thanks for the advice
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1. must serve 1 year or 12 mths
2. after confirmation, need to give 1 mth notice

my advise :
1. just follow what the HR said, which means yr last day 19/9
2. if you are in good relation with your dept. manager and the HR manager, slow talk with them. Use reasons like :
---- "i am furthering my study. just got the opportunity which i waited so long and didn't think it came now coz long time no reply from the edu. institution"

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I'm working as a teacher in a kindergarten, after 4 years, due to some reason, I've decided to leave.

I've already summit-ed my one-month notice (month ago) and today should be the last day of that one month (30 June).
However, my boss still assign many tasks for me and said If I can't finish it, I might need to go there and work for her on the following days (tomorrow, 1 July and so on).

My question is, are she having the right to do so since I'm not her employees anymore? Also, she is keeping my remaining EPF and salary, I afraid that I can't even get it without the job done.
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i have a similar problem too, i have submit 2 months notice to my boss and my last day is 29 July.
in previous stock check ,they found a few item missing, so just today he phone me and ask me to work 1 more month to help up do another stock checking.
my boss say if the problem not settle, i might not get my final month salary .
so should i stay for another month or work till 29 July only?
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QUOTE(James831 @ Jul 28 2010, 09:30 PM)
i have a similar problem too, i have submit 2 months notice to my boss and my last day is 29 July.
in previous stock check ,they found a few item missing, so just today he phone me and ask me to work 1 more month to help up do another stock checking.
my boss say if the problem not settle, i might not get my final month salary .
so should i stay for another month or work till 29 July only?
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your boss not professional lor. Where got people do like that.
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QUOTE(James831 @ Jul 28 2010, 09:30 PM)
i have a similar problem too, i have submit 2 months notice to my boss and my last day is 29 July.
in previous stock check ,they found a few item missing, so just today he phone me and ask me to work 1 more month to help up do another stock checking.
my boss say if the problem not settle, i might not get my final month salary .
so should i stay for another month or work till 29 July only?
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Tell your boss that you have done what is required of your contractual obligation. He should fulfill the company's part of the contractual obligation and not resort to threat which is illeagal.

I will not stay another month. Your boss may pull another trick on you to keep you in. If you can stay for another month (no need to start new job), then negotiate for extra allowance. It seems like the company is desparate for manpower.
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QUOTE(DDSFan8 @ Jul 16 2010, 09:40 PM)
if they say 24 hours notice or salary in-lieu, does that mean you can leave after giving 1 day notice?
Yes.

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QUOTE(James831 @ Jul 28 2010, 09:30 PM)
i have a similar problem too, i have submit 2 months notice to my boss and my last day is 29 July.
in previous stock check ,they found a few item missing, so just today he phone me and ask me to work 1 more month to help up do another stock checking.
my boss say if the problem not settle, i might not get my final month salary .
so should i stay for another month or work till 29 July only?
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Agree with the others, this is quite BS

I would quite laugh at the face of the boss really, he is just trying to threaten you

Official last day is 29th of July, end of the story, world can die and company burn on the 29th afternoon, officially you do not have obligation to work for them after that.
And they have to give you full money and all since you did your side of the work.
Just to check, the stock issue, is it due by some error you did?
If so then can negociate, but otherwise not.

After that if the boss wants to make some special arrangements with you to work a bit more to finish some added work or something, it's really up to you.
But then you guys both decided on arrangement (money, time etc.)
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Dear friends,

I’m a foreigner working for sub-contractor for an IT company in KL, staying here with my family.
Lately I just extend my employment with my current company for another 2 years, in the 3rd month after I renew my contract, the office where I assigned offered me a permanent employment with them.

And after long consideration, I choose to take this opportunity as they offer me a permanent employment, salary not really different, but they offer me a very good benefit although they will only cover my employment pass, and pass for my family I will neeed to bear the cost but they still going to help me to process

Fact:
- I still got a long employment with my current company
- 2 months notice before effective resignation
- Im staying here with family

Qst.

- I heard, here we must get what so called a release letter before we can join another company, else we will have to return to home country for 6 months, is it correct ?
- how about the immigration thingy, as im going to be converted to another company, is my family, my wife and kids also need to convert they pass ?, as it still got 1 year + validity
- in my contract stated, notice period 2 months, if I do not follow that I will get penalty 2x salary, so if I follow the contract, there shouldn’t be any issue is it ?
- how if after I follow all the process but still my company giving me hard time to get the release letter, is there anything I can do to push them ?

thank you very much for the enlightment

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Hello epriann,

I am a foreigner too so maybe I can at least answer some of your questions:

- I heard, here we must get what so called a release letter before we can join another company, else we will have to return to home country for 6 months, is it correct ?
Yes, you need to get a release letter from your current company.
Then you can pass it to the agent of the new company that will handle your case
With this the agent will cancel your current visa (since it's associated to your current company) and issue the new working visa with the new company.
If I remember correctly the exact cooling period between the 2 visas is 2 weeks, but meanwhile you can stay in Malaysia (you will be issued a normal touristic visa for this).
I do not remember me having to leave the country by doing it this way.

- how about the immigration thingy, as im going to be converted to another company, is my family, my wife and kids also need to convert they pass ?, as it still got 1 year + validity
I was single at the time I jumped ship so I am not totally certain, but what kind of visa do they have?
If it's a touristic visa and in no way associated with your current company, I believe they should not have to change anything.
You might want to ask the visa agent of the new company about this.

- in my contract stated, notice period 2 months, if I do not follow that I will get penalty 2x salary, so if I follow the contract, there shouldn’t be any issue is it ?
If you follow the contract and give the 2 months notice, you should not have anything special to do if your contract does not mention about it.

- how if after I follow all the process but still my company giving me hard time to get the release letter, is there anything I can do to push them ?
Well, after this it comes to soft skill and negotiation with your current company.
Just try to make the transition as smooth as possible with your current company and be straightforward with them.
Explain about the new offer and why you would go with it (who knows, they might even make you a counter-offer smile.gif )

Officially they have to give you this release letter anyway I believe, they might just make it troublesome if they are not happy which is why I just suggest to try to make it as smoothly as possible
Personally my boss wasnt exactly so happy about it but I managed to make it smooth enough he didnt give me any issue.
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QUOTE(Gormaz @ Jul 29 2010, 04:32 PM)
Agree with the others, this is quite BS

I would quite laugh at the face of the boss really, he is just trying to threaten you

Official last day is 29th of July, end of the story, world can die and company burn on the 29th afternoon, officially you do not have obligation to work for them after that.
And they have to give you full money and all since you did your side of the work.
Just to check, the stock issue, is it due by some error you did?
If so then can negociate, but otherwise not.

After that if the boss wants to make some special arrangements with you to work a bit more to finish some added work or something, it's really up to you.
But then you guys both decided on arrangement (money, time etc.)
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the stock issue is that my previous supervisor misconduct ,then in recent stock check found out got product missing, so my boss ask me work 1 more month to help .
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QUOTE(James831 @ Jul 29 2010, 06:17 PM)
the stock issue is that my previous supervisor misconduct ,then in recent stock check found out got product missing, so my boss ask me work 1 more month to help .
Do you want to extend your service to the company or not?

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i have no intention to extend my service to my company.
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You already serve notice so leave. If they dont pay report them.
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QUOTE(James831 @ Jul 29 2010, 06:17 PM)
the stock issue is that my previous supervisor misconduct ,then in recent stock check found out got product missing, so my boss ask me work 1 more month to help .
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Then yar, if it's not a fault done by you then you are under no obligation to work anymore.

If you WANT to do so, can negociate with the boss but from what you are saying it does not look like you want.

Agree with faceless, if they do not pay, report them
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QUOTE(G@rfield @ Jul 16 2010, 11:56 PM)
My fren just started work in a small audit firm for 2mths. At the 2nd mth of probation period her boss told her that her performance very bad and want her to leave.

Her boss said will give 1 mth notice period but during that 1 mth my fren sure will take leave and go for other new job interview. So, he gave my fren a so called "mutual agreement" and release my fren on the spot without any extra payment.
Is it a proper procedure to sack my fren like that?
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Notice was serve accordingly. You friend accepted the notice without protest. It is by the book.

If the company wanted the employee to leave early, they can waive the notice period. That means they must pay the salary while the employed is not required to report for work. Companies do this because they are afraid the terminated employee can sabotage the company. They dont mind paying the "gaji-buta" for peace of mind. Since there is a "mutual agreement", it saves the company the trouble of waiving the notice.
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QUOTE(G@rfield @ Jul 16 2010, 11:56 PM)
My fren just started work in a small audit firm for 2mths. At the 2nd mth of probation period her boss told her that her performance very bad and want her to leave.

Her boss said will give 1 mth notice period but during that 1 mth my fren sure will take leave and go for other new job interview. So, he gave my fren a so called "mutual agreement" and release my fren on the spot without any extra payment.

Is it a proper procedure to sack my fren like that?
How long is your friend's probationary period? I think there's foul play here.

Regards, Joey

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i tendered resignation on 2nd August and stated i will give one week notice instead of two months. the rest of notice period will buy out from new company.

replied from hr regarding short notice : upon manager approval
replies from manager : cant promise i can leave this week, need to discuss with my team lead.

i will need to join new company on 9th August.

In this case, what will happen if my manager does not approve for short notice even if i will compensate the rest of notice period ?

Manager doesnt happy and said my act was being unprofessional.


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QUOTE(lunar sea @ Aug 3 2010, 12:00 PM)
replied from hr regarding short notice : upon manager approval
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The company can waive the notice period (meaning leave early without paying). In this case, your manager will has the authority for such waiver.

QUOTE(lunar sea @ Aug 3 2010, 12:00 PM)
replies from manager : cant promise i can leave this week, need to discuss with my team lead.
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Manager seems like a fair person since he is willing to waive the notice period. He just need to check with your lead if you can be released early.

QUOTE(lunar sea @ Aug 3 2010, 12:00 PM)
i will need to join new company on 9th August.
In this case, what will happen if my manager does not approve for short notice even if i will compensate the rest of notice period ?
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If you pay in lieu of notice (buy the notice period), they cant keep you.

QUOTE(lunar sea @ Aug 3 2010, 12:00 PM)
Manager doesnt happy and said my act was being unprofessional.
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I think you have dissapointed your manager. Try to make up for it. He seems fair to me. Try to work out with your lead and manager how to ensure you can cover the workload to leave by 9 Aug.

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The company can waive the notice period (meaning leave early without paying). In this case, your manager will has the authority for such waiver.


I did not discuss the waiver with her. I sent email to her yesterday but no reply from her, so i give her a call. I asked if she received my email and about her decision of my short notice. She doesnt please for that and ask me why i need to leave this week and i told her the reason that i will be joining new company next week. without asking further, she just said " i just wanna let u know this is very unprofessional".

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Manager seems like a fair person since he is willing to waive the notice period. He just need to check with your lead if you can be released early.

she did not waive the notice. i inform hr about it, and reply was upon manager approval. she said she cant promise anyting with foul manner. my lead is on leave, will be back tomoro.

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If you pay in lieu of notice (buy the notice period), they cant keep you.

my new company is willing to buy out me. does it means if my manager not approved for short notice even if i paid compensation, i still can go to new company?

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I think you have dissapointed your manager. Try to make up for it. He seems fair to me. Try to work out with your lead and manager how to ensure you can cover the workload to leave by 9 Aug.


i got no item on hand now. manager seems like involving some personal emo in it. she is new manager, i guess i know why.

Maybe i just wanna know can i leave even if manager doesnt approve ? hr will process my resignation ?
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QUOTE(lunar sea @ Aug 3 2010, 12:36 PM)
Maybe i just wanna know can i leave even if manager doesnt approve ? hr will process my resignation ?
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As far as I know, if your boss does not approve, HR cannot process resignation already.

Is there a mention in your contract that you can officially buy over the resignation period?
I know most companies accept this (again, on manager approval) but if it's not in your contract you are pretty much screwed if managed does not agree to it
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QUOTE(James831 @ Jul 30 2010, 11:21 AM)
i have no intention to extend my service to my company.
If there's no intention of of rendering your service to the company, it is best to leave on a good note.

Regards, Joey
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QUOTE(Gormaz @ Aug 3 2010, 12:41 PM)
As far as I know, if your boss does not approve, HR cannot process resignation already.

Is there a mention in your contract that you can officially buy over the resignation period?
I know most companies accept this (again, on manager approval) but if it's not in your contract you are pretty much screwed if managed does not agree to it
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then i will be in deep shit ?

just normal statement saying service notice of two month else pay-in-lieu.

i have some ex colleague who did buy-out their notice period. i guess i am just bad luck to have such new manager and maybe one week notice was just too soon.
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QUOTE(Gormaz @ Aug 3 2010, 12:41 PM)
As far as I know, if your boss does not approve, HR cannot process resignation already.

Is there a mention in your contract that you can officially buy over the resignation period?
I know most companies accept this (again, on manager approval) but if it's not in your contract you are pretty much screwed if managed does not agree to it
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Hey we dont live in the time of slaves. Employment contract canot bind you forever.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Aug 3 2010, 03:09 PM)
Hey we dont live in the time of slaves. Employment contract canot bind you forever.
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Well, it's not slave, maybe I was too direct in my previous posts, it's just contract binding which is why you should read it very carefully before signing.

Usually bosses arent stupid and are not going to play "rough" and keep someone around for 2 months that does not want to.

Just that if she make things complicated, it will take longer and all, meaning harder also to deal with the newer company

If other colleagues manage to buy over then just try to talk to the boss and explain again, be nice a bit and hopefully it pass
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That is my point. Lunar's manager seems like a fair guy. I think she can talk her way out.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Aug 3 2010, 04:42 PM)
That is my point. Lunar's manager seems like a fair guy. I think she can talk her way out.
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she is famous for not being fair.
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If sweet talk fails then pay in lieu of notice. I stress again that you cant be bound to the company forever. Since you sought help from forummers, I was expecting you to sweet talk the matter because you have many people here to give you ideas. If you are able to do that, I am sure you new employer will be impress because you help them save money. My advise is forget your manager is an assh*** (you are leaving anyway) and put on your best charm to reason with her.
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my company require me to give 3 month notice... so, I planning to EL for the balance 2 month and prepare my self while searching for job opportunity..

for the first month with them, i will prepare all the handover for them...

will they demand for me to pay in lieu for the balance 2 month?
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There are only a few thing that are term as EL. 1) Matrimony 2) Death of immediate family (Compassion) 3) House destroyed by fire or flood 4) Matrenity or parternity. Probably there are a few more case that I forgotten. Anything else will be deducted form AL or unpaid leave if AL had been exhausted. Yes you have to pay in lieu of notice unless you talk them to waive off the notice.
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owh, ok...
thank you for your kind assistance smile.gif
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QUOTE(Gormaz @ Aug 3 2010, 12:41 PM)
As far as I know, if your boss does not approve, HR cannot process resignation already.

Is there a mention in your contract that you can officially buy over the resignation period?
I know most companies accept this (again, on manager approval) but if it's not in your contract you are pretty much screwed if managed does not agree to it
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Is there such a thing? In my previous working exp. the HR must accept your resignation, and the notice period starts from HR receiving your resignation. That is why, when I tender resignation, I always cc a copy to HR.

As for "buying out" notice, not all companies accept your notice being bought out. This is subjected your current employing company. As for leaves, sometimes, company may not even let you deduct your leaves. they pay you instead. this is normally done if you are stuck in some important project, and cannot be let off.
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QUOTE(jordi79 @ Aug 6 2010, 03:31 AM)
Is there such a thing? In my previous working exp. the HR must accept your resignation, and the notice period starts from HR receiving your resignation. That is why, when I tender resignation, I always cc a copy to HR.

As for "buying out" notice, not all companies accept your notice being bought out. This is subjected your current employing company. As for leaves, sometimes, company may not even let you deduct your leaves. they pay you instead. this is normally done if you are stuck in some important project, and cannot be let off.
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I agree but this is not a one sided contract where the employer get all the say. You have rights to decline it.
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tomorrow sending my resignation letter, really don't know want to say what kind of reason, if telling the true reason, is very hurt my manager. But if I not to tell, they won't even allow me to tender.

please guide me how to write a good reason to write the resignation letter...
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QUOTE(marvin_teow @ Aug 8 2010, 11:50 PM)
tomorrow sending my resignation letter, really don't know want to say what kind of reason, if telling the true reason, is very hurt my manager. But if I not to tell, they won't even allow me to tender.

please guide me how to write a good reason to write the resignation letter...
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To be honest, i don't think there's a law or reason or even a contract per se which prevents a person from tending his/her resignation. Reason being, we are not leaving in the 5th Century, whereby slavery is rampant.

Tender your resignation to your immediate superior, if he/she refuses, proceed to submit to HR. Make sure you get an acknowledgement of receipt from both your superior and HR.

To your last question... i think you will find ample resignation letters both on google/ lowyat forum itself.
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a company cant stop someone from resigning... no matter wat reason the staff give. as long as either party serve the notice, the staff can be resigned or terminated from the company.....

u can just say, for better prospect or new environment... as long as no back stabbing ur boss or colleagues.. as u never know that one day, u need to work with them again..

the biz world is small.... we still have at least 20 - 30 years to go in biz or working life...
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Marvin,
Just serve notice. There is no need to cite reason. Para1 - I wish to resign wef dd/mm/yy. Para2 - Thank you for your support... You can state reason verbally but not written.

If you tell us a point or two, we can help you say it in a more diplomatic manner.
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Hi,

My friend just asked me a question but I have no idea to answer him. Probably someone here could assist with your experience.

My friend just got an offer and that company wanted him to join on next Monday and will buy over all his remaining notification period which is 2 months. Currently my friend has around 20 days of annual leaves available.

Question, will his current company pay him the 20 days of his annual leaves with the money? Or his future company will minus it and pay the remaining day to his current company? His 20 days of annual leaves will be just wasted like this?

Anyone has this experience before?

Kindly share.

Thanks in advance.

On behalf of my friend. wink.gif

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I never heard of this case. I believe the 20 AL will most likely be burnt. I would not pay for it if I am the new company.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Aug 10 2010, 08:51 AM)
I never heard of this case. I believe the 20 AL will most likely be burnt. I would not pay for it if I am the new company.
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What if you are the current company? Would you allow your staff to deduct the balance of annual leave and pay the balance of notification period or pay the balance of notification period and pay back the money of 20 days of annual leave to your staff? I know different company has different policy, just would like seek some info from you guys. wink.gif
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It depends on the rapport. If your friend is on good terms with the boss, notice period may even be waive (nobody needto pay in lieu of notice). If they want to be picky then it is by the book. Either way (the two cases that you mentioned) serve no advantage to the current company.
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QUOTE(MsApprentice @ Aug 10 2010, 10:28 AM)
What if you are the current company? Would you allow your staff to deduct the balance of annual leave and pay the balance of notification period or pay the balance of notification period and pay back the money of 20 days of annual leave to your staff? I know different company has different policy, just would like seek some info from you guys. ;)
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The employee has the rights to use his remaining available balance of AL if they would like to leave earlier.

Paying off would really only put 2 things in mind

1. either some other company believes the value of the employee to be really valuable
2. the employee is desperate to leave the current employer asap

As you have said - different companies have different policies.
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i wan to ask,
resignation notice = 3 months
my annual leave left = 12 days out of 14 days
office day = 5 days/week
so how do i exchange my 12 days into the resignation notice period?

do i include it in the resignation letter? or i leave it until after 2 months before i fill in the leave form? what if my leave gets rejected by that time?


Added on August 10, 2010, 8:20 pmanother is is i looked in my offer letter, there it said:-

Contract Period : 24 months ( subject to review)
Termination notice : 3 months

1. so what does it mean by 'subject to review'
2. termination notice is 3 months from the date i give resign letter or 3 months after the contract period?


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QUOTE(woopypooky @ Aug 10 2010, 08:09 PM)
i wan to ask,
resignation notice = 3 months
my annual leave left = 12 days out of 14 days
office day = 5 days/week
so how do i exchange my 12 days into the resignation notice period?

do i include it in the resignation letter? or i leave it until after 2 months before i fill in the leave form? what if my leave gets rejected by that time?


Added on August 10, 2010, 8:20 pmanother is is i looked in my offer letter, there it said:-

Contract Period : 24 months ( subject to review)
Termination notice : 3 months

1. so what does it mean by 'subject to review'
2. termination notice is 3 months from the date i give resign letter or 3 months after the contract period?
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Hhhmmm ... these days it's abit rare to give a resignation notice of 3 months ... unless of course you're quite high in the ranking.

Well basically, your remaining 12 days AL can be calculated such as in example, you handed in your resignation 1st October, 3 months notice would mean your physical last day would be end of December but instead you have 12 days AL that have not been used, you can have your last day 19th December instead.

It's best you do not include in your resignation letter and have a 1 to 1 personal discussion with your manager of your intention to make use of your remaining 12 days AL.

Subject to review could mean that when your contract ends, it's not necessary they are to renew your contract. Could be perhaps they are required to review your performance?

3 months notice from the date you tender your resignation and make sure you have an acknowledgment from your manager or best just email it in to avoid and dispute.
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People usually do not include Al in the resignation letter. As you already mentioned, this is taken up when you fill the form to apply leave. I seen people submit letter with leave form attached. Most peole dont do it in case they need to take EL.
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got a question from workin newbie..

from what i see from the sample letter, the resignation date means the last day Im workin ther or the 2st day Im not working ther?
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Resignation date is the last day of work base on the notice period required. The actual last day may be earlier when offset against AL accumulated.
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Two ‘slave workers’ paid RM36,000 by factory

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...4979&sec=nation

KUCHING: Two brothers, who were virtually slaves at a factory in Puchong in Selangor for 15 years, have been compensated.

Simon, 30, and Radin Bangan, 31, accepted RM36,000 in total compensation from their former employer after mediation by officers of the Labour Office in Subang Jaya last month.

“An amicable settlement was reached whereby the two brothers who were represented by a legal counsel, agreed to accept the offer of RM36,000 in total from their employer, a ‘pau’-making factory.

“The money was paid to them through their counsel and the case is closed,” said State Labour Department assistant director August Buma in a press statement yesterday.

He said the case was dealt with under the provisions of the Employment Act 1955 by the Selangor Labour Department.

Arising from this case, the State Labour Department advises locals working outside the state to first contact and consult officers of the department before accepting any job offers.

This is to enable the department to verify the authenticity of the job offer to prevent job seekers from being cheated by unscrupulous employment agents and recruiters.

The two brothers from Kampung Antayan, Kropok, an Iban village in Serian, had claimed they had laboured 12 hours daily, seven days a week without pay for 15 years.

They were promised a salary of RM2,000 each by an agent in Kuching but never got a single sen.

They were allowed to return home last February when they threatened to quit.

Aside from them, the brothers claimed there were also five other workers comprising two Bidayuhs from Sarawak and three Chinese from Perak, who were allegedly forced to work at the factory.

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Wait...

36000rms for 15 years of unpaid labor?!

The article does not precise if it's 36000 each or for both, but even if it's for each of them, that's 200rm for month unpaid.....

For 7/7 days, 12 hours a day?!

What the hell is that legal counselor?!

I would have sued the company to the ground and the owner would not have a single sen left...

Oh and let's not even go into the fact that the company used minors as workers (15 ago the 2 bros were 15 and 16...)

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QUOTE(Gormaz @ Aug 25 2010, 09:13 AM)
Wait...

36000rms for 15 years of unpaid labor?!

The article does not precise if it's 36000 each or for both, but even if it's for each of them, that's 200rm for month unpaid.....

For 7/7 days, 12 hours a day?!

What the hell is that legal counselor?!

I would have sued the company to the ground and the owner would not have a single sen left...

Oh and let's not even go into the fact that the company used minors as workers (15 ago the 2 bros were 15 and 16...)
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The two brothers from Kampung Antayan, Kropok, an Iban village in Serian, had claimed they had laboured 12 hours daily, seven days a week without pay for 15 years.


I am not to sure of Malaysia's plan on wealth distribution or every race having a fair share of the wealth pie, but indigeoneous people have a very high tendency of being exploited regardless whom the employers racial creed or colour is.

In any case, the purpose of the article, is to make every forumer realize their rights and possible relief if they were faced with employers whom are absolute ... . Unless they want to end up like the persons in this article.
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i have a question here:

my resignation notice period: 3 mths.

i've been informed by the HR that if i'm gonna put a 24 hrs. notice, i have to pay to the company equivalent to my 3 mths. salary.

where else, i've been told that i only need to pay for 1 mth. salary only if i'm gonna submit my 24 hrs. notice.

which one is true?
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QUOTE(lovebattery @ Aug 25 2010, 01:38 PM)
i have a question here:

my resignation notice period: 3 mths.

i've been informed by the HR that if i'm gonna put a 24 hrs. notice, i have to pay to the company equivalent to my 3 mths. salary.

where else, i've been told that i only need to pay for 1 mth. salary only if i'm gonna submit my 24 hrs. notice.

which one is true?
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Both are rumours, so naturally untrue.

Depends on your letter of offer, if your letter of offer says 3months notice or 3 months salary in lieu of notice, than that would mean if you tender 24 hours notice, you will have to pay 3 months equivalent of salary.
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Hi all, I got a question...

I pay in lieu of notice to leave my current firm... my new employer promised to bare the cost...

the problem is I have to pay the cost 1st then claim back from the company later, is that possible there is a statement in my employment letter stated that company will bare the cost?

I havent seen my employment letter yet, i think better to have such statement in the employment letter.

What is the standard procedure for my situation ?
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Insist on getting a black and white agreement. It is not a standard procedure to be taken but it is necessary for you to cover your end if things get ugly in the end of the day.

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QUOTE(Joey Christensen @ Aug 26 2010, 04:16 PM)
Insist on getting a black and white agreement. It is not a standard procedure to be taken but it is necessary for you to cover your end if things get ugly in the end of the day.

Regards, Joey
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Thanks for your advice, do u or your fren have this kind of experience ? I curious to know what is the standard practice.
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Thanks for your advice, do u or your fren have this kind of experience ? I curious to know what is the standard practice.
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I don't see why or how come you actually have to bare the cost to pay in lieu . If your new employer wants you so badly to join them, they should have given you the offer letter asap and THEY should be baring the cost - not you.

Last time yes, my ex-employer (X) wanted me to bare the cost so I may join their company asap due to a certain project urgency.

I insisted that I sign the offer letter / letter of employment FIRST and then perhaps they can re-think of 'buying' me out from the other company (Y).

In the end, (X) re thought about it and couldn't bear the cost of buying me out. They had to wait until I serve my notice with (Y).

Always be on the safe side. No one looks out for you except yourself.


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hi everyone, i hope u guys with full of experiences can help me on this matter.i'm a fresh graduate. currently i'm working at a law firm, the probationary period is 3 months. but i juz worked ad 3weeks.

salary rm700.
i'm not happy with the working environment. i have plan to leave due to i need not only do the task given i have to do cleaning such as mopping floor, washing toilet,vacumm and etc. but i have signed a agreement letter. so the agreement stated need 1 month of notice for termination. can i just go off without any letter or notice. i scare they will take legal action on me. pls help. sad.gif
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QUOTE(baby alicia @ Aug 28 2010, 11:42 AM)
hi everyone, i hope u guys with full of experiences can help me on this matter.i'm a fresh graduate. currently i'm working at a law firm, the probationary period is 3 months. but i juz worked ad 3weeks. 

salary rm700.
i'm not happy with the working environment. i have plan to leave due to i need not only do the task given i have to do cleaning such as mopping floor, washing toilet,vacumm and etc. but i have signed a agreement letter. so the agreement stated need 1 month of notice for termination. can i just go off without any letter or notice. i scare they will take legal action on me. pls help. sad.gif
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IF your looking only for experience, make sure you also read your letter of offer before you pen down your name. I believe this will also serve as a lesson for you, read and understand the terms contained in your letter of offer.

its only probationary, all you need to do is tender 1 month's notice.

if you should leave prematurely say 24 hours notice, depending on ur contract you will probably end up paying your employer 3 months salary in lieu of your leave.

in any case, you are protected under the Employment Act 1955, i will have to check and see whether there are any legitimate arguments you can raise against your employer.

Furthermore, is your employer paying your EPF and SOCSO?

I think it is more likely they are paying you with an allowance of sorts rather than a fixed salary, by the way whats the name of the law firm, if you dont mind sharing?
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Hi, my annual leave period is from 1st jan to 31 dec, where it then resets back to 25 days. Let's say I tender 3 months notice around november,

1. Am I still entitled for the 25 days annual leave come 1st Jan?
2. Would I be able to use that 25 days to offset the 3 months notice? Some sort of loophole..

I know different company has diff rules, but what is the situation in general case? thanks
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Assume that notice is given on 1 November 2010. Three months from that date is 31 Jan 2011.

Annual leave earned for 2010 is 25 days.
Annual leave earned for 2011 is 2 days (25 days X 31 days worked/365 days a year).
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QUOTE(faceless @ Sep 1 2010, 09:27 AM)
Assume that notice is given on 1 November 2010. Three months from that date is 31 Jan 2011.

Annual leave earned for 2010 is 25 days.
Annual leave earned for 2011 is  2 days (25 days X 31 days worked/365 days a year).
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http://www.thenutgraph.com/talking-about-retrenchment/

S K WIGNESWARY was an executive at an established media organisation for more than nine years. One Monday, she went to work as usual. By that evening, she was out of a job.

“The department head made an announcement at about 4pm that a list of names would be called out and our services would be terminated,” Wigneswary tells The Nut Graph in an interview. Wigneswary, along with half her department, were paid a month’s salary in lieu of notice, and retrenchment benefits, and terminated with immediate effect. They were told their department would be closed and their remaining colleagues moved to a different department. They were asked to immediately pack their things and leave by the end of the day. Some of her colleagues had worked in the company for more than 10 years.

Was their retrenchment illegal? Can companies terminate long-standing employees within a day? And doesn’t a company have to follow the “Last In, First Out” (Lifo) principle?

What is binding?

Wigneswary says she and her colleagues were angered by the manner in which the termination was carried out. “I felt they should have given us more notice,” says Wigneswary. “I felt it was cruel of them to terminate us within a day. The management also watched us when we were packing, observing what we were taking with us. There was no need to stand guard and treat people like they were going to steal from the company.”

She also says the company did not follow the Lifo principle. Some junior colleagues of similar rank were retained, while senior staff were dismissed.

Furthermore, there had been no inkling that the company was unhappy with her performance. “There was no letter or memo sent for us to buck up. Appraisal was generally good; we were given increment and bonus. So on what basis did they keep the newer staff and let the older staff go?”

While Wigneswary’s questions are legitimate, the fact is, it’s not that straightforward. When retrenching employees, employers are bound by the Employment Act 1955 and the Employment (Termination and Layoff Benefits) Regulations. The Act and Regulations stipulate the amount of compensation retrenched employees should receive, as well as the notice they should be given. The law, however, allows for employees to be paid an amount in lieu of notice.

The best practices for carrying out retrenchments can be found in the Code of Conduct for Industrial Harmony, an agreement made between the Human Resources Ministry and employers. Under the code, employers are required to give workers as early a warning as practisable that retrenchment is imminent.

Employers should also try other cost-cutting measures such as limiting recruitment and restricting overtime work before resorting to retrenchment. They are also required to consider the length of service of employees when deciding whom to terminate.

However, the code itself states: “There is no legal obligation on the part of the employer to adhere to the contents of the Code.” That said, the Industrial Court may and does take the code into consideration when considering employees’ complaints.

Bona fide

The Industrial Court does not always apply the code rigidly. It is bound to make decisions according to rules of equity and good conscience. The Industrial Court therefore often looks at the circumstances as a whole in retrenchment cases to determine whether the terminations were done in good faith.

Labour lawyer and former Industrial Court chairperson Lim Heng Seng illustrates factors the court would consider, giving the example of when staff are terminated because their jobs have been outsourced.

“Outsourcing raises its own issues – for instance, whether consultation with the employees might have led to a situation where the employer could reduce costs in a way that the employees themselves agreed to and [hence] avoid outsourcing,” Lim tells The Nut Graph in a phone interview.

“There have been shocking cases where employees are retrenched on the pretext of outsourcing. However, when the terminations are challenged, it is found they were not genuine as the savings involved were so minimal, they could have been achieved with simple reorganisation within the company,” Lim says.

So how far should the law go in protecting employees? Is it sufficient that retrenchment best practices are found in a non-binding code and not in legally enforceable statutes? Can the courts be entrusted with balancing employers’ rights to reorganise its business and employees’ security of tenure and livelihood?


Pereira
Electronic Industry Employees Union general secretary Bruno Pereira is doubtful. “The code is not binding and many companies do not follow it,” he tells The Nut Graph in an e-mail interview. This is even though the code recognises that ensuring employment security upholds good industrial relations because insecurity and fear have a major influence on attitudes to work.

Even then, despite the importance of employees’ emotional well-being, Pereira says the court does not take into account a retrenched employee’s emotional distress when considering if a retrenchment was done in good faith.

Labour law amendments

Meanwhile, the government has announced its intention to make amendments to Malaysia’s labour laws. Pereira, the Malaysian Trades Union Congress (MTUC) and the Bar Council have spoken out against the amendments, saying employees’ security of tenure would be jeopardised.

The proposed amendments would reportedly make it easier for employers to hire workers on fixed-term contracts, even for long durations. MTUC secretary-general G Rajasekaran said in a press statement that if the proposed amendments were passed, even workers who had worked for 10 years on a contract basis would have no recourse if terminated.

A balancing act

It’s a tough job for the government. On one hand, it does not want to stifle companies, and wants to ensure that they have enough flexibility to restructure their businesses and remain profitable. On the other, it is also in the national interests to ensure that employees are not arbitrarily terminated. Without a social safety net in Malaysia, those who are retrenched and unable to find new jobs end up being unable to contribute to economic activity and growth.

As it is, employees like Wigneswary would have to convince the court that her termination was done in bad faith before she would be entitled to reinstatement or further compensation. What would the effects be if labour laws were amended to make it easier for employers to terminate their employees?


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i'm about to resign from my current job and take an opportunity with another company.

at present, i've used all my annual leave. however i do have things that need to be attend that requires my time away from the job i'm working right now.

i'm considering to take unpaid leaves for that matter. and since i'm about to leave the company anyway, i believed that the significance it has on my performance is also negligible. However i've been told by someone about the bad consequences of taking unpaid leaves towards my career.

what's your advise on this?
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Hi there, I want resign from my current company, but there is the term that I need to pay back 5 times of my basic salary if I go to their competitors company. Any solution? their competitors give me better offer.
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QUOTE(shinya118 @ Sep 2 2010, 07:37 PM)
Hi there, I want resign from my current company, but there is the term that I need to pay back 5 times of my basic salary if I go to their competitors company. Any solution? their competitors give me better offer.
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Ask competitor if they are ready to make some arrangement about this.

If they really want you then you can negotiate to have them pay part or the whole thing.
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QUOTE(lovebattery @ Sep 2 2010, 05:02 PM)
i'm about to resign from my current job and take an opportunity with another company.

at present, i've used all my annual leave. however i do have things that need to be attend that requires my time away from the job i'm working right now.

i'm considering to take unpaid leaves for that matter. and since i'm about to leave the company anyway, i believed that the significance it has on my performance is also negligible. However i've been told by someone about the bad consequences of taking unpaid leaves towards my career.

what's your advise on this?
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if you are concern that it will have an impact on your career just don't do it, simple and straightforward. Leave the company quietly as you came in and shut the door gently on your way out.

QUOTE(shinya118 @ Sep 2 2010, 07:37 PM)
Hi there, I want resign from my current company, but there is the term that I need to pay back 5 times of my basic salary if I go to their competitors company. Any solution? their competitors give me better offer.
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On face value, your questions sounds so simple and straightforward, anyway i won't go into detail and legality of it but rather the solutions.

Solution:
1. rather than directly joining the competitor company and risk legal action from your ex-employer, if your competitor has other companies say a holding or a subsidiary company perhaps it would be a temporary alternative. After say one year, you may want to elect to be transferred back to the intended company.

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Currently I work for a rubber gloves industry, I am not sure whether I am bind into this term(pay back 5 times of my basic salary if I joined glove or related glove industry in first 2 years)? However the new company that offered me not only produce rubber glove, there are various of products(health care equipment) from this company. Furthermore the position offered by this company with different job scope. I am confuse whether they are competitors or not?
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QUOTE(shinya118 @ Sep 3 2010, 08:25 PM)
Currently I work for a rubber gloves industry, I am not sure whether I am bind into this term(pay back 5 times of my basic salary if I joined glove or related glove industry in first 2 years)? However the new company that offered me not only produce rubber glove, there are various of products(health care equipment) from this company. Furthermore the position offered by this company with different job scope. I am confuse whether they are competitors or not?
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how binding this term is, normally depends on the courts to decide. Referring to s.28 Contracts Act 1950, which says

"provides that every agreement by which anyone is restrained from exercising a lawful profession, trade or business of any kind is to that extent void unless the restraint falls within one of three stipulated exceptions."

Your type of clause is a type of restriction of trade, worse of all it will continue to bind you even after your employment (otherwise called a negative covenant).

Don't be too happy yet, although most cases have generally sided with the employee, it seems that there are courts nowadays inclined to forgo s.28. In any case, before you decide to terminate your employment, try seeking professional advice, i think the matter has exceeded the helpfulness of this forum.
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Following is part of my resignation letter,

6th Sept 2010

Dear manager,

I wish to inform you of my decision to resign my position as xxx effective 18th October 2010. Over the course of my notice period of 6 weeks.


Did my date stated is correct?

I tender the letter on 6th of Sept, I need to give 6weeks notice..
I wrote effective 18th Oct .....Am I correct? My last day will be 18th Oct 2010 right?
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QUOTE(francisbacon7 @ Sep 7 2010, 10:57 AM)
Following is part of my resignation letter,

6th Sept 2010

Dear manager,

I wish to inform you of my decision to resign my position as xxx effective 18th October 2010. Over the course of my notice period of 6 weeks.
Did my date stated is correct?

I tender the letter on 6th of Sept, I need to give 6weeks notice..
I wrote effective 18th Oct .....Am I correct? My last day will be 18th Oct 2010 right?
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There's a sample at the first post of this thread that goes like this:

Please accept this letter as my formal notice of resignation from [Company Name], effective from [Resignation Date] with [one month prior notice].

I think this might be a better idea that you let the HR to calculate your last day than stating it yourself.
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Sep 8 2010, 10:33 AM)
There's a sample at the first post of this thread that goes like this:

Please accept this letter as my formal notice of resignation from [Company Name], effective from [Resignation Date] with [one month prior notice].

I think this might be a better idea that you let the HR to calculate your last day than stating it yourself.
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I already tender the letter..just asked whether my sentence is correct?
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It is correct, Francis.

I still prefer to use "I hereby serve notice for resignation with immediate effect".
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QUOTE(shinya118 @ Sep 3 2010, 08:25 PM)
Currently I work for a rubber gloves industry, I am not sure whether I am bind into this term(pay back 5 times of my basic salary if I joined glove or related glove industry in first 2 years)? However the new company that offered me not only produce rubber glove, there are various of products(health care equipment) from this company. Furthermore the position offered by this company with different job scope. I am confuse whether they are competitors or not?
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what does the term actually say? could you PM me the term please.
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QUOTE(francisbacon7 @ Sep 7 2010, 10:57 AM)
Following is part of my resignation letter,

6th Sept 2010

Dear manager,

I wish to inform you of my decision to resign my position as xxx effective 18th October 2010. Over the course of my notice period of 6 weeks.
Did my date stated is correct?

I tender the letter on 6th of Sept, I need to give 6weeks notice..
I wrote effective 18th Oct .....Am I correct? My last day will be 18th Oct 2010 right?
Sounds funny and ambiguous to me.

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Just wanna ask the seniors here, I had a similar situation as scenario 5 in this thread, as in switching company during probationary period. If I were to get a better offer and I have made up my mind to switch already but I am only a month into working there, what would be the best excuse to resign?

Btw, if I were to switch, it will be my 3rd job this time around.

Notice period is 1 month, and the office there is relatively too relaxed, the slow culture doesn't really suit my style, and this is not what promised earlier too (high learning curve, a lot of work, etc)
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QUOTE(gloomberg @ Sep 11 2010, 10:38 PM)
Just wanna ask the seniors here, I had a similar situation as scenario 5 in this thread, as in switching company during probationary period. If I were to get a better offer and I have made up my mind to switch already but I am only a month into working there, what would be the best excuse to resign?

Btw, if I were to switch, it will be my 3rd job this time around.

Notice period is 1 month, and the office there is relatively too relaxed, the slow culture doesn't really suit my style, and this is not what promised earlier too (high learning curve, a lot of work, etc)
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Sep 11 2010, 11:24 PM)
tell the truth, i guess. Your question is more like a career call for you yourself to answer.
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Unappreciated. I'm asking for advise here please? To help me make up my mind? =,=
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QUOTE(gloomberg @ Sep 11 2010, 10:38 PM)
Just wanna ask the seniors here, I had a similar situation as scenario 5 in this thread, as in switching company during probationary period. If I were to get a better offer and I have made up my mind to switch already but I am only a month into working there, what would be the best excuse to resign?

Btw, if I were to switch, it will be my 3rd job this time around.

Notice period is 1 month, and the office there is relatively too relaxed, the slow culture doesn't really suit my style, and this is not what promised earlier too (high learning curve, a lot of work, etc)
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What excuse would you need?

Just tell the truth. Why are you switching when you're only a month into working there? Because you had a better offer? Environment there seems to be more suitable for you?

I don't see why you shouldn't be plain honest with your employer.
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What excuse would you need?

Just tell the truth. Why are you switching when you're only a month into working there? Because you had a better offer? Environment there seems to be more suitable for you?

I don't see why you shouldn't be plain honest with your employer.
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That is exactly what I was planning to do... be honest with my employer... well, hope it all goes well. Btw, it's a much better offer, and I didn't apply for that job(not a job hopper) it's just that the HR called me for another position in their company.


Added on September 21, 2010, 2:15 pmMoment of truth... I have to hand in the resignation letter tomorrow as I will get my offer letter today... need all the courage in the world to go and hand in the letter... =(

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QUOTE(gloomberg @ Sep 13 2010, 06:33 AM)
That is exactly what I was planning to do... be honest with my employer... well, hope it all goes well. Btw, it's a much better offer, and I didn't apply for that job(not a job hopper) it's just that the HR called me for another position in their company.


Added on September 21, 2010, 2:15 pmMoment of truth... I have to hand in the resignation letter tomorrow as I will get my offer letter today... need all the courage in the world to go and hand in the letter... =(
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Sorry to hear that mate.

Believe you mentioned that 1 month notice?

Would you be able to clarify if the 1 month notice applies only after your receive your offer letter or what would be the terms during your probation?

Dude, if you got a better offer, better environment, better pay - look forward to it and try not to look on the dark side of handing in your resignation letter.

Let's look forward not backward. We learn from yesterday to live a better tomorrow.
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Thank you so much for that...
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Thank you so much for that...
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Hey man, as long as you have concrete reasons, and the move seems to be to better things (e.g., better and more reputable company, better position, more aligned with your career goals, etc) I do not think it will be a blot in your CV. I would be careful about stating the reason of leaving as higher salary though, because if you get a counter offer, you will be trapped i.e. if you still move, then you are being dishonest. Plus, leaving for higher salary and not accompanied by any of the solid reasons above are generally viewed negatively by potential employers. THey generally want to be satisfied that the employee if forward looking, has a career plan and principles and would not be lured by a marginal increase in salary. But if your new offer is like 50 to 80% more, nothing they can say-lah :-) coz hard to imagine anyone passing on such offer. You can agree or disagree, but just putting my view and for you to be able to place yourself in the mind of the employer or HR. All the best.




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Hi there, I want resign from my current company, but there is the term that I need to pay back 5 times of my basic salary if I go to their competitors company. Any solution? their competitors give me better offer.
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Wondering why u want to sign such kind of offer letter when this clause is embedded. IT IS A THREAT
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Wondering why u want to sign such kind of offer letter when this clause is embedded. IT IS A THREAT
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I always advise candidates to weigh the liabilities before signing employment contract. Especially on the termination conditions and bonding. Personaly I won't sign into a liability/risk for myself.
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Wondering why u want to sign such kind of offer letter when this clause is embedded. IT IS A THREAT
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Simply put it, one cannot eat both ends of the pie at the same time.

Contacts are made free, willingly, voluntarily and with the consent of both parties, the exception to the case would be if someone who cannot read or write is made to enter into a contract than perhaps there are other elements that might void the agreement.

Secondly, when entering into a contract, everyone is expected to honour their end of the bargain, say for example employer pays employee his salary and the employee comes on time to work subject to the terms and conditions of the contract. What if the employer doesn't pay the employee salary, more likely than not the employee will start reminding the employer of his contract obligations to him.

Hence, from the very beginning of the thread itself, I have already mentioned read and take your time to understand each single word/fine print the letter of offer/employment before you pen down your name. Weight your options, if the risk can be managed or if the benefits out-weight the risk invloved, by all means go ahead. No one can decide your career choice except you yourself.

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Hi all, I'm asking for a friend. She's been working for 3months + already. The company actually states that her probation period would be 3 months. Currently, she has not received any written notification whatsoever about her confirmation yet.

Now the question is, if she wants to resign now, can she make it a 7 day notice period just like before confirmation? common sense says that she can but is it considered legal?

can the company suddenly decide to pop in the confirmation letter when she puts down the resignation letter? What happens then?
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Hi all, I'm asking for a friend. She's been working for 3months + already. The company actually states that her probation period would be 3 months. Currently, she has not received any written notification whatsoever about her confirmation yet.

Now the question is, if she wants to resign now, can she make it a 7 day notice period just like before confirmation? common sense says that she can but is it considered legal?

can the company suddenly decide to pop in the confirmation letter when she puts down the resignation letter? What happens then?
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Yes, then can do it and back date it too. Just hand in notice assuming she is not confirm and see what is their next move.
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QUOTE(ju146 @ Sep 23 2010, 09:49 PM)
Wondering why u want to sign such kind of offer letter when this clause is embedded. IT IS A THREAT
It's a weighted liability to be evaluated by him/her very own self. It's not a threat for Christ's sake. It's an invitation to treat that has yet to be accepted. The differences are there for you to read and understand before putting pen to paper.

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QUOTE(toxicure @ Sep 30 2010, 09:32 PM)
Hi all, I'm asking for a friend. She's been working for 3months + already. The company actually states that her probation period would be 3 months. Currently, she has not received any written notification whatsoever about her confirmation yet.

Now the question is, if she wants to resign now, can she make it a 7 day notice period just like before confirmation? common sense says that she can but is it considered legal?

can the company suddenly decide to pop in the confirmation letter when she puts down the resignation letter? What happens then?
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Anytime before the confirmation, the terms in the letter of offer continues to be effective until such time a new offer supersedes the existing letter of offer. Naturally this is the case when a person is duly accepted by the Company.

To put it simply, if you don’t confirm me after the 3 months, the existing terms will continue to apply.

Say for example, if the Company does not confirm you for a period of 7 years, which terms continue to apply? Logically it is the existing terms contained in the letter of offer will still continue to apply. Since, there are no other offers that supersede the existing letter of offer,

Next question, once your friend tenders her resignation, suddenly management decides to pop out with a confirmation letter.

Regardless, whether it is dated the same day, back dated or whatever date for that matter, the pertinent question is still the following:

1. when did you have knowledge of the confirmation; and

2. when did you receive the confirmation (as in actual receipt).

So long as your friend does not sign or do anything to verify the contents of the confirmation, the existing letter of offer (signed during the probation period will continue to be effective).

My advise if they do date the LO after your probation period or back dated the letter, just write back and inform they that you will consider their offer and also informing them the date you "ACTUALLY" received the confirmation.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Oct 1 2010, 08:46 AM)
Yes, then can do it and back date it too. Just hand in notice assuming she is not confirm and see what is their next move.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Oct 1 2010, 11:46 AM)
Anytime before the confirmation, the terms in the letter of offer continues to be effective until such time a new offer supersedes the existing letter of offer. Naturally this is the case when a person is duly accepted by the Company.

To put it simply, if you don’t confirm me after the 3 months, the existing terms will continue to apply.

Say for example, if the Company does not confirm you for a period of 7 years, which terms continue to apply? Logically it is the existing terms contained in the letter of offer will still continue to apply. Since, there are no other offers that supersede the existing letter of offer,

Next question, once your friend tenders her resignation, suddenly management decides to pop out with a confirmation letter.

Regardless, whether it is dated the same day, back dated or whatever date for that matter, the pertinent question is still the following:

1. when did you have knowledge of the confirmation; and

2. when did you receive the confirmation (as in actual receipt).

So long as your friend does not sign or do anything to verify the contents of the confirmation, the existing letter of offer (signed during the probation period will continue to be effective).

My advise if they do date the LO after your probation period or back dated the letter, just write back and inform they that you will consider their offer and also informing them the date you "ACTUALLY" received the confirmation.
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good inputs guys... i've told my friend. now we'll see what happens next. =) Thx a lot yah thumbup.gif

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can we sent backdated resignation letter because new company need us in 1 month time?Notice should be 3 months. Existing company has been late in salary payment (2 weeks late) and missed out 6 months EPF deduction that doesnt include OT/claims. Can the employer ask the employee to pay 3 months notice?
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Why do you want to ruin your character? Sending back dated notice is dishonesty. Just because there are snatch thief every where do you also join them to become a snatch thief?

If you want to leave early you have to pay in lieu of notice. You may use unpaid salary and OT claims to offset payments.

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I have a question. I have joined in a company 2 months plus. My probation is 6 months with 24 hours of leave notice. I have given the notice, but the employer did not approve, asking me to leave at the end of the month instead. Can I just choose not to come the next day ? Or any suggestions ?
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QUOTE(afosz @ Oct 13 2010, 04:41 PM)
I have a question. I have joined in a company 2 months plus. My probation is 6 months with 24 hours of leave notice. I have given the notice, but the employer did not approve, asking me to leave at the end of the month instead. Can I just choose not to come the next day ? Or any suggestions ?
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Errm... normally 24 hours notice is served by the Employer on you rather than the other way round. Perhaps you should re-check your Letter of Offer and see what it actually say.

In any case, i am assuming your notice is 24 hours.

All you need to do is to tender resignation notice according to your letter of offer.

You have done nothing wrong and you should observe the terms of your letter of offer rather than destroying your own rice bowl by quitting the company without notice or breach the letter of offer. The tables will be turned against you, further you may not be able to get employment elsewhere if they were to contact the same company that you left for reference purposes.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Oct 13 2010, 05:17 PM)
Errm... normally 24 hours notice is served by the Employer on you rather than the other way round. Perhaps you should re-check your Letter of Offer and see what it actually say.

In any case, i am assuming your notice is 24 hours.

All you need to do is to tender resignation notice according to your letter of offer.

You have done nothing wrong and you should observe the terms of your letter of offer rather than destroying your own rice bowl by quitting the company without notice or breach the letter of offer. The tables will be turned against you, further you may not be able to get employment elsewhere if they were to contact the same company that you left for reference purposes.
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The 24 hours notice period is by both parties you see. Otherwise I would not be tendering it over doh.gif

6 months probation, 24 hours notice period of termination. I've been here only for 2 months plus. Some colleagues have worked here 1 year plus and never did receive any confirmation letter.
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QUOTE(afosz @ Oct 13 2010, 05:59 PM)
The 24 hours notice period is by both parties you see. Otherwise I would not be tendering it over doh.gif

6 months probation, 24 hours notice period of termination. I've been here only for 2 months plus. Some colleagues have worked here 1 year plus and never did receive any confirmation letter.
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tender notice today, gone tomorrow regardless what your boss say.

i see no issues really, if it say what it say in your contract.

6 months probation but worked for one year without confirmation, that's called <insert word>, i would have tendered resignation if i wasn't confirmed after the 6 months probation.

That's PURE abuse by the employer to get rid of staff as and when they like especially not confirming staff, but when you want to tender 24 hours they say, hey you can't do that, you need to wait until the end of the month! WTF logic is that?


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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Oct 13 2010, 08:11 PM)
tender notice today, gone tomorrow regardless what your boss say.

i see no issues really, if it say what it say in your contract.

6 months probation but worked for one year without confirmation, that's called <insert word>, i would have tendered resignation if i wasn't confirmed after the 6 months probation.

That's PURE abuse by the employer to get rid of staff as and when they like especially not confirming staff, but when you want to tender 24 hours they say, hey you can't do that, you need to wait until the end of the month! WTF logic is that?
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By law, yes I have fulfill what has stated in my offer letter. Offer letter mentioned that '24 hours of termination notice by either party', so by employer and employees right ? And yes thank you for understanding that by not confirming, the boss can get rid of you at anytime if the staff screws up, but the staff cannot tender today and gone next day.

He requested me to stay until end of month, another 2 weeks. I'm just worried that there will be hidden agenda like giving me loads, then by end of month I want to leave, he say no, you still have lots of work and have to be responsible, and I will be regretting that, might as well I just leave after tender the last 2 weeks.

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QUOTE(afosz @ Oct 13 2010, 08:59 PM)
By law, yes I have fulfill what has stated in my offer letter. Offer letter mentioned that '24 hours of termination notice by either party', so by employer and employees right ? And yes thank you for understanding that by not confirming, the boss can get rid of you at anytime if the staff screws up, but the staff cannot tender today and gone next day.

He requested me to stay until end of month, another 2 weeks. I'm just worried that there will be hidden agenda like giving me loads, then by end of month I want to leave, he say no, you still have lots of work and have to be responsible, and I will be regretting that, might as well I just leave after tender the last 2 weeks.
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My 2 cents worth of opinion is that the issue isn't so much about the law, you enter into a contract because you want the other to perform (fulfill) a promise.

Say... you ask for bread and i gave you rocks instead, how would you feel?

The purpose of a contract is that to ensure that if you ask for bread, bread will be given accordingly in fulfillment of that promise to you.

Although occasionally the bread may either be mouldy or coated in chocolate (as the case may be).

From what i gather, i think to resign or otherwise is a career choice left best for your to decide.
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need advice.

my bos asked me to write a resignation letter and leave immediately, coz i took 2 weeks of unpaid leave without informing him. agreement says i need to submit 30 days of notice, but my boss ask me to leave immediately.

do i have a stand on this matter? can i insist tht i have the rights to work for another 30days and get paid before i leave the company?
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QUOTE(cruel_boy @ Oct 16 2010, 09:57 AM)
need advice.

my bos asked me to write a resignation letter and leave immediately, coz i took 2 weeks of unpaid leave without informing him. agreement says i need  to submit 30 days of notice, but my boss ask me to leave immediately.

do i have a stand on this matter? can i insist tht i have the rights to work for another 30days and get paid before i leave the company?
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Your boss is firing you. It just that he is the type that prefers people resign on thier own accord.

He can fire you because of the uninforemd leave incident. He ask you to resign so that there is no bad record for you. Just do it! You are in no position to bargain. If you force his hand he will have no choice but to fire you.

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hi there,

hope to get some opinion about this:

my employer have received my resignation. however instead of serving the obligatory 3 months notice period, i only can only managed to serve only 2 of 3 months required. Therefore my employer asked me to pay for the remaining month i owed the company.

my questions are:

a. can i ask for a waiver on this? i've had good track record, fulfilled all my KPIs & no disciplinary action against me.

b. if waiver is an option, can you give me a sample letter of a kind?

c. if waiver is not possible, any advice on how to at least reduce the amount i have to pay?

really appreciate your help.
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QUOTE(lovebattery @ Oct 18 2010, 11:07 AM)
hi there,

hope to get some opinion about this:

my employer have received my resignation. however instead of serving the obligatory 3 months notice period, i only can only managed to serve only 2 of 3 months required. Therefore my employer asked me to pay for the remaining month i owed the company.

my questions are:

a. can i ask for a waiver on this? i've had good track record, fulfilled all my KPIs & no disciplinary action against me.

b. if waiver is an option, can you give me a sample letter of a kind?

c. if waiver is not possible, any advice on how to at least reduce the amount i have to pay?

really appreciate your help.
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a. You can definitely ask for a waiver - discuss with your boss. It is on his discretion.

b. Nothing to say here.

c. HR will come back with your last working day. Work on offsetting as much as possible with your annual leave.
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QUOTE(lovebattery @ Oct 18 2010, 11:07 AM)
hi there,

hope to get some opinion about this:

my employer have received my resignation. however instead of serving the obligatory 3 months notice period, i only can only managed to serve only 2 of 3 months required. Therefore my employer asked me to pay for the remaining month i owed the company.

my questions are:

a. can i ask for a waiver on this? i've had good track record, fulfilled all my KPIs & no disciplinary action against me.
b. if waiver is an option, can you give me a sample letter of a kind?

c. if waiver is not possible, any advice on how to at least reduce the amount i have to pay?

really appreciate your help.
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It looks like you are in good talking terms with the boss. This are petty issue they boss will let you off they hook if you talk nice. Dont bother to put it in writing. It may back fire.
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QUOTE(lovebattery @ Oct 18 2010, 11:07 AM)
hi there,

hope to get some opinion about this:

my employer have received my resignation. however instead of serving the obligatory 3 months notice period, i only can only managed to serve only 2 of 3 months required. Therefore my employer asked me to pay for the remaining month i owed the company.

my questions are:

a. can i ask for a waiver on this? i've had good track record, fulfilled all my KPIs & no disciplinary action against me.

b. if waiver is an option, can you give me a sample letter of a kind?

c. if waiver is not possible, any advice on how to at least reduce the amount i have to pay?

really appreciate your help.
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i think a,b,c is irrelevant, the only way is talk to your boss "nicely", if need be try an "beg" to get you released early.

a. - u can only use it to persuade your boss, it not a MATERIAL factor for your boss to release you from your employment.

What is material? X mother is dying of cancer, there is a family business, X's father left X's mother. On top of that X has five siblings at home whom are still studying.

did i also mention people actually use the execuse above to get themselves released early? (for the wrong reasons)

b. - ur employer is merely observing the terms of your contract. KPI's and disciplinary actions are just additional assessment tools to evaluate your performance to reward or punish you accordingly. That said, if 4/10 people in the company have good KPI's and no disciplinary action taken, does it entitle them to leave the company early?

c. - try going for waiver before you even touch on reduction. Cause if you ask for reduction first, you might not be able to get full waiver later.

Finally and again- pls talk to your boss first.

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thanks all.

really appreciate your suggestions.
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hey all, in the event that I want to resign from a company that I'm under probation period. Can the boss actually say no?
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hey all, in the event that I want to resign from a company that I'm under probation period. Can the boss actually say no?
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look at ur letter of offer and see what it say not what your boss say.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Oct 25 2010, 09:11 AM)
look at ur letter of offer and see what it say not what your boss say.
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Nothing on that mate, just 1 week notice will do. hmm... Thanks yeh flex.gif
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Carsonoel,
Check with the HR, they can pull a fast one on you.
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Check with the HR, they can pull a fast one on you.
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pull a fast one? pardon me but I don't get it? Means get me out fast or?
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It means they can play dirty. They can turn around and say probation require one month notice.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Oct 26 2010, 10:34 AM)
It means they can play dirty. They can turn around and say probation require one month notice.
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Hi , i would like to know
1)what are the basic benefits which should be given to a employee.
2) if i work at nite do i get extra benefits?
3)if i work for Australian time here in Malaysia would i be able to replace the malaysian public holidays to another with pay if i had to work on the supposed holiday?

sad.gif i tired reading the labour law become but it was complicated please use simple terms thks so much
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Dolddicker,
You must be kidding. You dont expect people to paraphase the entire labour law into this thread. I think there is no easy way out. Read the labour laws if you want to know the minimum an employer must provide the employee.

If you have difficulties in any particular section then consult the thread for help.
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Say if i tender last week, and start to serve 3 months notice, am i still eligible for the benefits as a staff, ie medical, dental, optic etc during my serving period?
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Say if i tender last week, and start to serve 3 months notice, am i still eligible for the benefits as a staff, ie medical, dental, optic etc during my serving period?
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Why wouldn't you?
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QUOTE(Chester @ Nov 5 2010, 11:44 PM)
Say if i tender last week, and start to serve 3 months notice, am i still eligible for the benefits as a staff, ie medical, dental, optic etc during my serving period?
Yes. Unless there's a stipulated clause(s) that indicate otherwise.

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Thanks guys.

What about if I need 3 months notice, and still got 30 days leave to clear, any chance the company can ask me to fullfil 3months notice and pay me back in $$ for my leaves?
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Yes they can do that. The chances depend on your company's need for man power at that time.
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3 months notice, and 1 months leave included in the 3 months lor.. depending on yr company, most likely they will give u the leave to save their money.
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hi guys,

normally once we tender our resign letter, if let's say your boss / colleagues would like to know where is your next company, what will you tell them if you do not wish to let them know?
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I will usually tell them but not in a sour grape manner. Sometimes bosses just want to wish you well. If you dont want to tell them then find a way to say it diplomatically.
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let say your new company willing to pay to the current company so you can start early, what is the normal process?

do the new company will settle the payment by contacting your HR? or they will hand you money (or cheque?) and you pay to the current company?
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just tendered my resignation. Have to serve one month notice, but I requested if I can be released asap...and they said can leave by today

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Cutejams,
Are you responding to Johnjenin or you are asking a question?

Johnjenin,
In most cases the HR will talk to each other and settle the payment.

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1) Yes
2) Depend on the company
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how if 1 serve for 2days and decide to leave the company? can he just leave even the appointed letters wrote 2 weeks notice..
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QUOTE(sivapc @ Nov 22 2010, 11:23 AM)
hi again. is it mandatory to give any 'reasons' in my resignation letter.?
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There is no need to give reason. I never did.

QUOTE(curaptz @ Nov 30 2010, 10:23 PM)
how if 1 serve for 2days and decide to leave the company? can he just leave even the appointed letters wrote 2 weeks notice..
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Pay them 2 weeks pay. You can negotiate with the company to waive the payment.
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QUOTE(cRUELA @ Dec 1 2010, 09:44 AM)
If u watch how James Bond Resign from MI6.

he just gave ONE sentence...

"M - I hereby tender my resignation with immediate effect. Sincerely, James Bond"

I did that too
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lol ....

Not everyone can live life like in the movies .... tongue.gif
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Hi guy, i have question.

My company annual leave follow calender year like normal...entitlement was 22 days per year...
let say if i am resign today (1 dec 2010) and serving 3 months notice, will i still entitle for full 22 days of annual leave for next year 2011? notworthy.gif
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For year 2011 you have 4 days (2/12 *22) prorated for 2 months.
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Hi guys, need some feedback from you guys:-

I have resigned from my current company (Company A) and would need to serve 2 months notice period. Fortunately or rather unfortunately, my "potential" future employer (since I have not signed the letter of offer yet) want me to start work with them in 1 month time and they are willing to pay off the remaining 1 month notice.

The potential future company (Company B) want me to sign the letter of offer stating I will start work with them 1 month later. Once it is sign then they will proceed to negotiate with Company A's HR to buy me out and they say Company A's HR have no choice but to let me go. Is it true?

Now here are some of the dilemma:-

1. Can I sign the new letter of offer stating I will start work in 1 month time when in actual fact I am not even sure whether Company A will let me go? What if they don't accept the buy out since Company A REALLY require the manpower but I already sign the letter of offer.

2. Is it legally alright if I sign the letter of offer which state I am starting the work on a date when I should still be serving notice period? Because on my current letter of employment, an employee must pay full attention to the current job and can't be working on other jobs. So if I sign, there will be like 1 month I can be considered as an employee for both Company A and Company B. That is like holding 2 jobs at once IF the buyout is not successful.

3. What IF the buyout is not successful? Will the offer letter from Company B void since I am unable to start on the stated date?

I would also do not want to burn bridges with Company A's bosses but Company B's job offer is something I really really want. However Company B could not wait for me, hence they are willing to buy me out. But buying out will definitely affect my relationship with my current bosses.

Many thanks for your help in advance.
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QUOTE(nishoba @ Dec 2 2010, 11:53 PM)
The potential future company (Company B) want me to sign the letter of offer stating I will start work with them 1 month later. Once it is sign then they will proceed to negotiate with Company A's HR to buy me out and they say Company A's HR have no choice but to let me go. Is it true?
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Yes. It is true. Your point 1-3 is not valid given that this is true.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Dec 2 2010, 10:01 AM)
For year 2011 you have 4 days (2/12 *22) prorated for 2 months.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Dec 3 2010, 10:03 AM)
Yes. It is true. Your point 1-3 is not valid given that this is true.
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Wow I didn't know. I always thought that no matter what, I have to serve the notice period and it is up to my current company to let me go or not. Is like a willing seller only then you can buy. Many thanks for your clarification faceless!
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QUOTE(nishoba @ Dec 3 2010, 01:30 PM)
Wow I didn't know. I always thought that no matter what, I have to serve the notice period and it is up to my current company to let me go or not. Is like a willing seller only then you can buy. Many thanks for your clarification faceless!
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What happens when a person resign?

The company will have to
1) Get someone to do their job
2) Hire new people (advertise .... and many other cost.

It is deem fair that the employer should be compensated for the trouble the need to take. In the case of employment contract, the amount to compensated is the notice period.
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Lets say this company A decides to hire me and they're ok with me starting in two months time. But I got a better offer from company B a month before I join company A. How do I tell company A that I no longer will join them? Am I even allowed to say I can't join them? Is there going to be like a contract that I should sign with company A that says I will join in two months time otherwise I'll have to compensate something?
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Hi All,

I tendered my letter on 28/10/2010 with a short notice that i will left the company on 15th Dec 2010, my annual and replacement leave total up have 17 days . My notice period is 3 month, so my last day should be 25/01/2011. After deduct with my leaves, starting from 8/01/2011 to 25/01/2011 is the days that I need to compensate back. I want to know that the compensation is it include weekend and 20/01/2011 (public holiday) according to Malaysia labour law? I need to pay also on those weekends and public holiday??? or no need to pay? My current company HR said that I need to pay on those days (weekends and 20/01/2011).

Any HR personal expert can help me out? So i can argue back with Malaysia labour law.
Thanks for reading my story.

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QUOTE(Secret_Garden @ Dec 13 2010, 04:39 PM)
Hi All,

I tendered my letter on 28/10/2010 with a short notice that i will left the company on 15th Dec 2010, my annual and replacement leave total up have 17 days . My notice period is 3 month, so my last day should be 25/01/2011. After deduct with my leaves, starting from 8/01/2011 to 25/01/2011 is the days that I need to compensate back. I want to know that the compensation is it include weekend  and 20/01/2011 (public holiday) according to Malaysia labour law? I need to pay also on those weekends and public holiday??? or no need to pay? My current company HR said that I need to pay on those days (weekends and 20/01/2011).

Any HR personal expert can help me out? So i can argue back with Malaysia labour law.
Thanks for reading my story.
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1) Refer to Employment Act 1955. It is not labour law.

2) U do not need to pay the public holiday and weekend.
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QUOTE(Secret_Garden @ Dec 13 2010, 04:39 PM)
I want to know that the compensation is it include weekend  and 20/01/2011 (public holiday) according to Malaysia labour law? I need to pay also on those weekends and public holiday??? or no need to pay? My current company HR said that I need to pay on those days (weekends and 20/01/2011).
Weekend and statutory holiday need not to be paid.

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Let's say the company has the year end closure, some Europe company practice that. If I resign during office closure, which will be the effective date of the resignation? Is it based on the Manager's response or after closure. Meaning the effective date will be next Jan?
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Hi All -

Can i take the marriage leave (real one,,not trying to cheat etc) while im serving the 1-mth notice resignation period?

Pls advice. thanks

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QUOTE(metaltooth @ Dec 30 2010, 12:57 PM)
Hi All -

Can i take the marriage leave (real one,,not trying to cheat etc) while im serving the 1-mth notice resignation period?

Pls advice. thanks
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Ask ur HR.

Some company allow, some dun.
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Is more acceptable to type a resignation letter and print it out or is it ok to just email it?
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the sample letter is quite good. i actually used them as reference when my sis asks me to help with her letter to request for transfer of department. hm...about the same scenario, juz not really leaving the company but leaving the department smile.gif
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QUOTE(craze fad @ Jan 20 2011, 02:16 AM)
the sample letter is quite good.  i actually used them as reference when my sis asks me to help with her letter to request for transfer of department. hm...about the same scenario, juz not really leaving the company but leaving the department smile.gif
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Hi all, let say my notice period is 2 months, but new employer is willing to pay 1 month notice for me, I should state my last date as 1 month later or 2 months later?

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what if the case is like this?

i wanna resign, but since i can't serve the 3 month notice period, i am willing to pay the 3 months in lieu amount back to the company. if the company still dun wanna accept on the basis that not enuf manpower la...need to handover la (fyi, i am not the only person in the team who knows how to do the tasks), then how? can they hold on to me despite the fact that i am willing to pay the full 3 months in lieu amount to them?

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They cant detained you if you are paying in lieu of notice. Slavery do not exist today. smile.gif
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QUOTE(faceless @ Jan 25 2011, 09:10 AM)
Gulliblenarc,
They cant detained you if you are paying in lieu of notice. Slavery do not exist today. smile.gif
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that's what i thought too and then when i insist on leaving, they said they will bring me to court for "disrupting company's activities"... shocking.gif

got such thing ar?

they didn't even counter offer either.. =________=

juz say they really need people and that i am "valuable" to the team doh.gif
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I never heard such things. I dont think the know the word "valuable".
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QUOTE(gulliblenarc @ Jan 25 2011, 01:08 AM)
what if the case is like this?

i wanna resign, but since i can't serve the 3 month notice period, i am willing to pay the 3 months in lieu amount back to the company. if the company still dun wanna accept on the basis that not enuf manpower la...need to handover la (fyi, i am not the only person in the team who knows how to do the tasks), then how? can they hold on to me despite the fact that i am willing to pay the full 3 months in lieu amount to them?
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My suggestions will be negotiate with the company try to get the situation where it is a win win situation maybe you can pay 2 months and serve one month notice or vise versa.


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QUOTE(gulliblenarc @ Jan 25 2011, 01:05 PM)
that's what i thought too and then when i insist on leaving, they said they will bring me to court for "disrupting company's activities"...  shocking.gif

got such thing ar?

they didn't even counter offer either.. =________=

juz say they really need people and that i am "valuable" to the team  doh.gif
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Nowdays the court fees are never cheap and the time that the company is going to spend to argue with you in the court will never be a a good justification. So threatening to go to court is just a threat unless you are holding a very high position like a CEO where the company may sue you for not keeping your side of the agreement.

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If CEO the counter offer instead of TK about "valuable".
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Hi, want to ask about the paying back salary. Lets say i wanted to leave earlier and have to pay back 2 months salary to my company, and according to the salary slip my basic is RM1600 and a few different allowance amount which total up to RM1500. So in a month i got RM2900.

When i wanted to pay back 2 months, i only need to pay RM1600 x2 right?

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Yes, it is worked base on basic pay. RM3200 is correct.
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QUOTE(gulliblenarc @ Jan 25 2011, 01:05 PM)
that's what i thought too and then when i insist on leaving, they said they will bring me to court for "disrupting company's activities"...  shocking.gif

got such thing ar?

they didn't even counter offer either.. =________=

juz say they really need people and that i am "valuable" to the team  doh.gif
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Haha, no counter offer means you are not that valuable. As long as you follow all the correct procedure, you are free to go...
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hi...have a dilemma here.

Am working in banking line, contract staff. during my contract renewal, I was disappointed there was no increment as compared to my other colleagues (contract) and I know that my colleague salary is double of mine tho we almost do the same task. So went out to look for jobs which what my boss say I am most welcome to do so and she has no power to stop me if I were to leave with higher pay and more stable job.

Then recently I have a job offer, higher pay and more stable. But on the same time frame, my boss did an evaluation and gave me a bonus. She mention it is not a norm to give out bonus to contract staff but she mentioned I deserve it so she fought for me. My new job offer is willing to buy me out.

It's either I choose to tender 1 week notice and proceed with proper handover, which my job does not involve projects, does not need an actual handover just an appropriate delegation. But within that 1 week, I am afraid my boss and colleagues plus seniors will get their revenge and probably may hear some nasty remarks (which is one reason I choose to leave because of politics)

OR-

To just tender 24 hr notice, and not hear all these nasty remarks but probably would burn down bridges. Banking world is small and I believe my future boss knows my current boss. Some friends actually ask me to tender 24 hr notice since the new company is willing to buy my notice, so why waste it?

I really don't know what to do cry.gif
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need help here ,

my probation period should end on 10Feb and i got my appraisal form mid of Jan, i filled it up and pass it back to my director, who will be rating me .

however, due to the holiday and something happened, until yesterday oni we have a chance for conversation on my appraisal, which is way off the 10Feb already.

The problem now is , if i want to resign, so i'm still considered as a probation staff (2 weeks notice), or confirmed staff(2 months notice) ?

summary:
1. the appraisal form, which i filled up ald, havent signed by me yet, and my director verbally said will confirm me.

2. my probation period is until 10Feb only , which mentioned on the appraisal form oso

3. heard people said there is an automatic confirm system, which the staff work more than 3 months , then he is a confirmed staff ald, izit true ?

so, whether i should serve 2 weeks or 2 months notice ?
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QUOTE(kl87 @ Feb 17 2011, 09:06 PM)
need help here ,

my probation period should end on 10Feb and i got my appraisal form mid of Jan, i filled it up and pass it back to my director, who will be rating me .

however, due to the holiday and something happened, until yesterday oni we have a chance for conversation on my appraisal, which is way off the 10Feb already.

The problem now is , if i want to resign, so i'm still considered as a probation staff (2 weeks notice), or confirmed staff(2 months notice) ?

summary:
1. the appraisal form, which i filled up ald, havent signed by me yet, and my director verbally said will confirm me.

2. my probation period is until 10Feb only , which mentioned on the appraisal form oso

3. heard people said there is an automatic confirm system, which the staff work more than 3 months , then he is a confirmed staff ald, izit true ?

so, whether i should serve 2 weeks or 2 months notice ?
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you need to check back your offer letter or contract. In my company, once you passed 6 months, you will be automatically confirm if your superior doesn't make any decision to prolonged it.
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Hi all..

I'm about to leave my company but in the agreement I supposed to serve 1mth b4 leaving. The thing is up until today I never got my offer letter because the day I got the letter there are some mistakes on the letter. So, they HR took back the letter and never gave me a new one.

so, do I still bonded with my company cos I din get the offer letter with me? I have asked many time but HR only said will give me later and no ends.

Please help cos I'm going to leave immediately. Thanks
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Hi guys, need to ask something. Does the one month notice include Saturday and Sunday as well or just working days?

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Hi guys, need to ask something. Does the one month notice include Saturday and Sunday as well or just working days?

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QUOTE(kl87 @ Feb 17 2011, 09:06 PM)
need help here ,

my probation period should end on 10Feb and i got my appraisal form mid of Jan, i filled it up and pass it back to my director, who will be rating me .

however, due to the holiday and something happened, until yesterday oni we have a chance for conversation on my appraisal, which is way off the 10Feb already.

The problem now is , if i want to resign, so i'm still considered as a probation staff (2 weeks notice), or confirmed staff(2 months notice) ?

summary:
1. the appraisal form, which i filled up ald, havent signed by me yet, and my director verbally said will confirm me.

2. my probation period is until 10Feb only , which mentioned on the appraisal form oso

3. heard people said there is an automatic confirm system, which the staff work more than 3 months , then he is a confirmed staff ald, izit true ?

so, whether i should serve 2 weeks or 2 months notice ?
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some update :

firstly, back in the MID of Feb, i planned to tender my resign letter, however, my boss successfully pursued me to work for another 2 months until the newcomer arrive, becoz if not i will be leaving within 2 weeks (still under probation) .

As i will work another 2 months, she agreed that i may get my confirmation letter which allows me to claim my benefits and then i need 2 months notice for my resignation notice, which is suitable for both of us.

However, yst, she together with another boss, told me another story. They said as if they confirmed me as a permanent staff, and i resign later, it will be bad for the department management's image. So they will extend my probation period for another 2 months, and they want me to FOLLOW my agreement with them, which is to serve them another 2 months..... and then i only resign.

OK, thats my story , just to share....

Then today i resign , things i have done :

1. resign later, using template at the front page. today's date and 2 weeks prior notice. What date i should go ? i forgot to mention it on the letter...

2. passed the letter to the 2 bosses of my department, forgot to pass HR one copy .... what i should do ?

3. my direct boss is not around , another boss tell me to talk my direct boss 1st. so is my tender still valid , starting today ?

4. forgot to ask them sign received..... Now , how ? what should i do ?

5. I entitled for 3 days leave (pro-rated and bring forward from last year), if i didnt take them would the HR pay back to me ?

Any comments ? did i missed out any things ?

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Someone please assist me,

my probation period is 3mths starting February, however i decided to leave despite the environment n such.

However I'd still not receive a copy of my letter of offer I handed up on February itself (despite the head of management had not return a copy to me yet). According to the letter of offer, i have to give 1 week notice for probation.
(I dont want to cause any misunderstanding/unnecessary situation... as the boss is good to me.. )
Since that I've not receive my letter of offer yet, do I still practice the letter by serving the company for another week ? or I can leave immediatly after i present my resignation letter?



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hi..saw this thread and would like to ask for some opinion:-

Below is my work experience and reason of leaving:
first job: (5months) : leave due to no senior, all senior suddenly left.
second job: (1 yr): salary low, no increment
third job: (10 months): leave due to given different job scope from what been offered
forth job (current)(5months): thinking of resign

What i wanna ask is that,i been working in such a short term. if i resign again from this company which is only 5 months. will it affect my resume? or the reason i give as long as its strong it will be acceptable?

Appreciate for the advise

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Someone please assist me,

my probation period is 3mths starting February, however i decided to leave despite the environment n such.

However I'd still not receive a copy of my letter of offer I handed up on February itself (despite the head of management had not return a copy to me yet). According to the letter of offer, i have to give 1 week notice for probation.
(I dont want to cause any misunderstanding/unnecessary situation... as the boss is good to me.. )
Since that I've not receive my letter of offer yet, do I still practice the letter by serving the company for another week ? or I can leave immediatly after i present my resignation letter?
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Best to talk to your boss about your intentions to leave and that you have not received a copy of your offer letter from HR. Also, support your resignation with a written letter and let your boss handle HR from there. Follow up with your boss and ask for updates.


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hi..saw this thread and would like to ask for some opinion:-

Below is my work experience and reason of leaving:
first job: (5months) : leave due to no senior, all senior suddenly left.
second job: (1 yr): salary low, no increment
third job: (10 months): leave due to given different job scope from what been offered
forth job (current)(5months): thinking of resign

What i wanna ask is that,i been working in such a short term. if i resign again from this company which is only 5 months. will it affect my resume? or the reason i give as long as its strong it will be acceptable?

Appreciate for the advise
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To be very honest, your CV doesn't look really impressive in an interviewer's eyes - here's what I can tell you when they read your resume - that you are not reliable and that they cannot depend on you to stay on the job you applied long enough to contribute to the company.

For most companies, they would want to retain their employees as much as they can (except for the under-performing ones) and in this present age, it is very hard to find a good and reliable staff at a reasonable price. Did you know that it uses up a lot of the managers'/HR's time selecting and interviewing people trying to get the right one? and imagine that when they found the right one and within a couple of months, they have to let him/her go.

Even though you might thing that your reasons are acceptable, but to be frank again, they might not to the interviewers. For example, you mentioned that in your first job, you left because all your seniors left, so why did you leave as well? Was the company not doing very well? Did you suffer any pay cut or non-paid salaries?

Secondly job ... salary low and no increment - chances are, you might end up in the same fate at the company you applied to.

Third job ... ok this looks pretty reasonable .. cos there was a mismatch in the job scope - but you should've cleared this out during your interview before joining the company.

Fourth job ... thinking of resigning - what's the reason? Is it valid enough to convince the interviewers with your reason?

I would suggest you stay on in your fourth job to prove your worth unless the reason to leave is due to drastic circumstances (e.g. boss/company mistreating you, you are victims of harassment, etc). If you said that you current job is another case of job scope mismatch, it is advisable that you clear the requirements out during the interview so that you won't run into the same situation again.



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Best to talk to your boss about your intentions to leave and that you have not received a copy of your offer letter from HR. Also, support your resignation with a written letter and let your boss handle HR from there. Follow up with your boss and ask for updates.
I had just received the letter of offer today afternoon... >< What should i do ? Should i just go ahead and tell him about my intention w/ letter ? Im worried if he's dissap... or unhappy.. or.. shocking.gif
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Hi there,

Not sure if this is the right place for me to ask, but yes, I am about to resign from my current job, I've been working there since 2007 - present.

Ok, here is my problem, last year, I planned to leave after giving 2 months notice, and my boss, so "KIND" to offer me an increment, which I think its reasonable, but then the fact is not, because after the increment, they try to postpone the recruitment plan, where the time we're already short of like 3-4 staffs, that is not important anymore now.

My Q is, the time they offer me an increment, they actually stated a few terms in the Salary Adjustment letter.

Here are the contents....

xx August 2010

Mr XXX
Present

Dear Sir/Madam:

We are pleased to advise you that the Company has approved a salary adjustment of RMxxx ti bring your base salary to RMxxx with effect from 1st October 2010.

We are delighted to offer you the position of xxx and are certain that you will be pleased with the benefits of the possible.

It is a great honor to be the xxx; however not everyone is selected will choose move to this level. Being a part of the xxx team requires dedication, enthusiasm, personal sacrifices and the will to accomplish the work successfully.

Management has decided to borne you for two year contract. You are not allowed to leave the company within the yar from the date of this letter. However if you choose to leave the company after the contract, you still need to serve another 3 months notice from the end of the contract date.

We wish you a better future prospect and success ahead. We again hope that you will keep up the spirits to give your best.

Your faithfully,
XXX, your boss

signature





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I agreed to the above conditions and accept the position offered. I agreed and understand that my employment will be subject to such terms and conditions as may now be operative and that the Company shall have right to modify such term and conditions from time to time as it sees fit.


My Signature
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My Name : xxx
My IC : xxx
Date : xxx


my question now is on the bold part, any sifus here can advise what are the possible action can my employer take if I am to leave the company with 2-3 months notice?

Thanks, advises are appreciated~!

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QUOTE(Yennie22 @ Mar 3 2011, 05:33 PM)
I had just received the letter of offer today afternoon... >< What should i do ? Should i just go ahead and tell him about my intention w/ letter ? Im worried if he's dissap... or unhappy.. or..  shocking.gif   
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The letter of offer is one thing (since HR delayed this, this is not your fault).
But whether or not your boss is going to be unhappy/disappointed, you still need to break the news to him/her sooner or later since you have already made up your mind to leave - unless you are having second thoughts now lah
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QUOTE(iamwho @ Mar 3 2011, 08:16 PM)
The letter of offer is one thing (since HR delayed this, this is not your fault).
But whether or not your boss is going to be unhappy/disappointed, you still need to break the news to him/her sooner or later since you have already made up your mind to leave - unless you are having second thoughts now lah
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laugh.gif owh.. Thanks for ur advice^!
Hope for the best tmr.. I felt this is tougher than attending an interview.. doh.gif


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Any lawyers around can advise the following:

Is it legal or illegal for an employer not to sign employment contract with its employees?

I know one company doesnt have employment contract with its employees... what legal implications are there on the employees without an employment contract?

What advantage does this give to the employer? is it that the employer can choose not to pay them or fire them at will?
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To be very honest, your CV doesn't look really impressive in an interviewer's eyes - here's what I can tell you when they read your resume - that you are not reliable and that they cannot depend on you to stay on the job you applied long enough to contribute to the company.

For most companies, they would want to retain their employees as much as they can (except for the under-performing ones) and in this present age, it is very hard to find a good and reliable staff at a reasonable price. Did you know that it uses up a lot of the managers'/HR's time selecting and interviewing people trying to get the right one? and imagine that when they found the right one and within a couple of months, they have to let him/her go.

Even though you might thing that your reasons are acceptable, but to be frank again, they might not to the interviewers. For example, you mentioned that in your first job, you left because all your seniors left, so why did you leave as well? Was the company not doing very well? Did you suffer any pay cut or non-paid salaries?

Secondly job ... salary low and no increment - chances are, you might end up in the same fate at the company you applied to.

Third job ... ok this looks pretty reasonable .. cos there was a mismatch in the job scope - but you should've cleared this out during your interview before joining the company.

Fourth job ... thinking of resigning - what's the reason? Is it valid enough to convince the interviewers with your reason?

I would suggest you stay on in your fourth job to prove your worth unless the reason to leave is due to drastic circumstances (e.g. boss/company mistreating you, you are victims of harassment, etc). If you said that you current job is another case of job scope mismatch, it is advisable that you clear the requirements out during the interview so that you won't run into the same situation again.
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Thanks for the advise.

first of the company .. i hav to leave as i find that there is no one to teach me how to do my job and my boss had no time to teach me.. thus, i hav to leave or else it wil like waste of time. second job, salary just too low to survive. i would agree that same fate in some other company but the job i get for the 3rd is much more higher.. the third job is that when i go in work for first day , after i sign the offer letter and so on then onli realise this is not as what i interview for.

the current, reason of leaving cos i did some mistake my work (small mistake, everyone say so) my boss angry me until today.. its been 2 months. feel like she hinting me to leave. but of course i wont say so.. i wil say to change a new job which i plan to do something is different from my current job.

will it be sufficient?

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some update :

firstly, back in the MID of Feb, i planned to tender my resign letter, however, my boss successfully pursued me to work for another 2 months until the newcomer arrive, becoz if not i will be leaving within 2 weeks (still under probation) .

As i will work another 2 months, she agreed that i may get my confirmation letter which allows me to claim my benefits and then i need 2 months notice for my resignation notice, which is suitable for both of us.

However, yst, she together with another boss, told me another story. They said as if they confirmed me as a permanent staff, and i resign later, it will be bad for the department management's image. So they will extend my probation period for another 2 months, and they want me to FOLLOW my agreement with them, which is to serve them another 2 months..... and then i only resign.

OK, thats my story , just to share....

Then today i resign , things i have done :

1. resign later, using template at the front page. today's date and 2 weeks prior notice. What date i should go ? i forgot to mention it on the letter...

Your HR will advise you on your last day usually

2. passed the letter to the 2 bosses of my department, forgot to pass HR one copy .... what i should do ?

Check with your direct boss if they have passed the letter to HR. Usually you only need to pass one copy to your boss and you boss handles it from there with HR (but this practice might be different in other companies). If you boss asked you to check with HR, then do so and proceed with the next course of action from there.

3. my direct boss is not around , another boss tell me to talk my direct boss 1st. so is my tender still valid , starting today ?

Yes, always talk and hand in your resignation to your direct boss. If you have stated your w.e.f date on the letter, the calculation for your last day will be based on that effective date.

4. forgot to ask them sign received..... Now , how ? what should i do ?

I don't think this is an issue. Just check with your boss and HR on your last day - they will give you your last day when you submitted your letter, don't worry.

5. I entitled for 3 days leave (pro-rated and bring forward from last year), if i didnt take them would the HR pay back to me ?

No, they will be included in the calculation of your last day. Meaning to say,they will let you go 3 days earlier from your original last day. But then again, this is also a case by case basis. Some companies will opt to pay you, some will let you take your leave.


Any comments ? did i missed out any things ?
You don't have to do anything for now - (Business as Usual). If there's no updates in 3 days time, talk to your boss / HR

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Added on March 4, 2011, 11:43 am
QUOTE(chocoraisin @ Mar 3 2011, 11:02 PM)

Thanks for the advise.

first of the company .. i hav to leave as i find that there is no one to teach me how to do my job and my boss had no time to teach me.. thus, i hav to leave or else it wil like waste of time. second job, salary just too low to survive. i would agree that same fate in some other company but the job i get for the 3rd is much more higher.. the third job is that when i go in work for first day , after i sign the offer letter and so on then onli realise this is not as what i interview for.

the current, reason of leaving cos i did some mistake  my work (small mistake, everyone say so) my boss angry me until today.. its been 2 months. feel like she hinting me to leave. but of course i wont say so.. i wil say to change a new job which i plan to do something is different from my current job.

will it be sufficient?
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Let me try to put this as nicely as I can, but I still have to be honest with you ... when you mentioned that you expect your senior to guide you in your first job and because they left, you felt abandoned as your bosses were to busy to entertain you. Truth to be told, this is how corporate world is like - you are on your own mostly and are expected to maneuver your ways around to get things done (with minimal supervision) because everyone's just too bz manning their own rice bowls. Of course, you will be considered lucky if you have a certain individual who is willing to spend time going through your job with you, but in most companies, you won't have such luxuries. I have changed a few jobs in my life, and I have learned a great deal about being independent in some of those jobs, though I did have the privilege of being coached one on one as well.

So if you tell the interviewers that you could not do your job on your own and you needed a lot supervision - they will potentially strike you out of their candidates list.

2nd job .. still sounds more reasonable because as a company, they would have researched on salary scales for different types of job scopes and if they learned of your low salary scale, they may consider your candidature

3rd job ... ok, you got your expected pay, and found out that the job isn't what you asked for. Chances are they will ask this "why didn't you clarify this at your interview" - you need to prepare "bullets" for this.

current job ... everyone makes mistakes and it is unfortunate that your boss is not a forgiving and open-minded boss. This is a tricky situation, but, is there a chance you can have a one on one talk with your boss about this to clear things up and get things moving? If you like your current job, then I think this approach is worth considering in order to maintain your job and stay on for at least a year to prove your worth. If you mention that you plan to do something else which is different from your current job, this is what the interviewers will think - "but you have not stayed on long enough to see the entire scope of the job to come to this decision". It also goes to show that you are indecisive of what you want to do ...

Try the approach of talking to your boss in person and show him/her that you really like what u are doing and that your mistake should not hinder you from progressing further on the job and from fostering a good working relationship with your boss. If all things fail, I supposed the only way out is through resignation and I don't think you should lie about this to your interviewers. You can tell your potential interviewers about your situation, but put it in a short and professional sentence that tells the interviewers of your professionalism of approaching this matter on the job.

I wish you all the best in your future undertakings.


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Added on March 4, 2011, 11:43 am

Let me try to put this as nicely as I can, but I still have to be honest with you ... when you mentioned that you expect your senior to guide you in your first job and because they left, you felt abandoned as your bosses were to busy to entertain you. Truth to be told, this is how corporate world is like - you are on your own mostly and are expected to maneuver your ways around to get things done (with minimal supervision) because everyone's just too bz manning their own rice bowls. Of course, you will be considered lucky if you have a certain individual who is willing to spend time going through your job with you, but in most companies, you won't have such luxuries. I have changed a few jobs in my life, and I have learned a great deal about being independent in some of those jobs, though I did have the privilege of being coached one on one as well.

So if you tell the interviewers that you could not do your job on your own and you needed a lot supervision - they will potentially strike you out of their candidates list.

2nd job .. still sounds more reasonable because as a company, they would have researched on salary scales for different types of job scopes and if they learned of your low salary scale, they may consider your candidature

3rd job ... ok, you got your expected pay, and found out that the job isn't what you asked for. Chances are they will ask this "why didn't you clarify this at your interview" - you need to prepare "bullets" for this.

current job ... everyone makes mistakes and it is unfortunate that your boss is not a forgiving and open-minded boss. This is a tricky situation, but, is there a chance you can have a one on one talk with your boss about this to clear things up and get things moving? If you like your current job, then I think this approach is worth considering in order to maintain your job and stay on for at least a year to prove your worth. If you mention that you plan to do something else which is different from your current job, this is what the interviewers will think - "but you have not stayed on long enough to see the entire scope of the job to come to this decision". It also goes to show that you are indecisive of what you want to do ...

Try the approach of talking to your boss in person and show him/her that you really like what u are doing and that your mistake should not hinder you from progressing further on the job and from fostering a good working relationship with your boss. If all things fail, I supposed the only way out is through resignation and I don't think you should lie about this to your interviewers. You can tell your potential interviewers about your situation, but put it in a short and professional sentence that tells the interviewers of your professionalism of approaching this matter on the job.

I wish you all the best in your future undertakings.
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thanks for the advise.. really long..

yea i was planning to have a talk to her soon , as this situation is really stress. I just feel i this job is not suitable for me anymore.. but i will try to have a talk to her and see hows the things goes on.

thanks again
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hi...have a dilemma here.

Am working in banking line, contract staff. during my contract renewal, I was disappointed there was no increment as compared to my other colleagues (contract) and I know that my colleague salary is double of mine tho we almost do the same task. So went out to look for jobs which what my boss say I am most welcome to do so and she has no power to stop me if I were to leave with higher pay and more stable job.

Then recently I have a job offer, higher pay and more stable. But on the same time frame, my boss did an evaluation and gave me a bonus. She mention it is not a norm to give out bonus to contract staff but she mentioned I deserve it so she fought for me. My new job offer is willing to buy me out.

It's either I choose to tender 1 week notice and proceed with proper handover, which my job does not involve projects, does not need an actual handover just an appropriate delegation. But within that 1 week, I am afraid my boss and colleagues plus seniors will get their revenge and probably may hear some nasty remarks (which is one reason I choose to leave because of politics)

OR-

To just tender 24 hr notice, and not hear all these nasty remarks but probably would burn down bridges. Banking world is small and I believe my future boss knows my current boss. Some friends actually ask me to tender 24 hr notice since the new company is willing to buy my notice, so why waste it?

I really don't know what to do  cry.gif
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From what I read, it looks like you have already made up your mind to leave so much so that you have already told your boss of your intentions and she/he acknowledged it.

I understand it is hard to make a decision when your current boss is so nice to you out of the blues. But you have to reconsider your options (like the job offer you had which you claimed to be more stable and higher pay). One piece of nice gesture from your boss, does not necessarily guarantee you a stable job. I don't think you will burn any bridges because your boss has already acknowledged that you are shortchanged in your current role as a contract staff. You can tell your boss nicely that you had a better offer and that you like to take it up for reasons like - job stability ...
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QUOTE(iamwho @ Mar 4 2011, 03:17 PM)
From what I read, it looks like you have already made up your mind to leave so much so that you have already told your boss of your intentions and she/he acknowledged it.

I understand it is hard to make a decision when your current boss is so nice to you out of the blues. But you have to reconsider your options (like the job offer you had which you claimed to be more stable and higher pay). One piece of nice gesture from your boss, does not necessarily guarantee you a stable job. I don't think you will burn any bridges because your boss has already acknowledged that you are shortchanged in your current role as a contract staff. You can tell your boss nicely that you had a better offer and that you like to take it up for reasons like - job stability ...
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I believe bridges was burnt beyond my control.

Created a big hoo haa when I tendered and in fact caused a shocked in the company because I was the least expected to go and seems happy in the company. So when I tendered I was labelled as being sneaky and cannot be trusted. In fact I took the professional way of giving 1 week notice and suffer their remarks. So much of being professional.
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I believe bridges was burnt beyond my control.

Created a big hoo haa when I tendered and in fact caused a shocked in the company because I was the least expected to go and seems happy in the company. So when I tendered I was labelled as being sneaky and cannot be trusted. In fact I took the professional way of giving 1 week notice and suffer their remarks. So much of being professional.
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ya, i understand cos I had the same experience with one of my jobs - but my situation was a bit complicated .. I guess at the end of the day, we just go to do what we got to do ... nod.gif
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Guys,

Say you want to apply for a new job elsewhere.
So you call them up and what if they ask you whether you are working at the moment?
Do we need to be sincere and tell them that we are working currently?

And what if they ask you to come for an interview?
What to tell our current employers?

How to take leave for a few hours from the current job to go for the interview?

Many thanks in advance
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Guys,

Say you want to apply for a new job elsewhere.
So you call them up and what if they ask you whether you are working at the moment?
Do we need to be sincere and tell them that we are working currently?

And what if they ask you to come for an interview?
What to tell our current employers?

How to take leave for a few hours from the current job to go for the interview?

Many thanks in advance
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my advice is

<So you call them up and what if they ask you whether you are working at the moment?> = YES (why do you need to lie about this? chances are they may ask you to start work with them ASAP if they are interested in you - how are you going to tender and service your notice in time?)

<And what if they ask you to come for an interview?> Just apply 1 day leave (don't bother saving up your annual leaves when you already have the intention to leave the company)


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QUOTE(iamwho @ Mar 10 2011, 08:24 PM)
my advice is

<So you call them up and what if they ask you whether you are working at the moment?> = YES (why do you need to lie about this? chances are they may ask you to start work with them ASAP if they are interested in you - how are you going to tender and service your notice in time?)

<And what if they ask you to come for an interview?> Just apply 1 day leave (don't bother saving up your annual leaves when you already have the intention to leave the company)
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Many thanks!

The biggest problem is that Ive been only working for a month.
It's not nice to take a leave and Im not even sure if it's allowed.

I am working in a company run by a distant neighbor.
He offered me assistant accountant and I was too happy and started working immediately until I forgot to ask what the salary was.
I was shocked when he told me the salary a week after I started working, it's rm1k.
Work from 9am-6pm. I dont mind all that as I want to gain experience as Im a fresh graduate
but then I saw an ad which is shorter hours but the same salary.
So with that shorter hours, I want to stufy part-time.
Im in a big dilemma here. I dont know how to tell my boss/neighbor that I want to quit.
My plan was to tell him that I want to further my studies.
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Many thanks!

The biggest problem is that Ive been only working for a month.
It's not nice to take a leave and Im not even sure if it's allowed.

I am working in a company run by a distant neighbor.
He offered me assistant accountant and I was too happy and started working immediately until I forgot to ask what the salary was.
I was shocked when he told me the salary a week after I started working, it's rm1k.
Work from 9am-6pm. I dont mind all that as I want to gain experience as Im a fresh graduate
but then I saw an ad which is shorter hours but the same salary.
So with that shorter hours, I want to stufy part-time.
Im in a big dilemma here. I dont know how to tell my boss/neighbor that I want to quit.
My plan was to tell him that I want to further my studies.
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You can tell your future employer that you are helping out a neighbor in his/her business on a temporary basis upon graduation and that you hope to secure a full-time job after this. Then tell them that you plan to further studies as well (this is a plus point).

As for your neighbor, just be honest with them about your plans - future studies, want to venture out into bigger companies and gain more exposure. Don't forget to thank them for the opportunity they have given you.

All the best in your future undertakings.
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During Maternity Leave, can we resign?
Policy is need 2 months notice.
Do we get pay?
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During Maternity Leave, can we resign?
Policy is need 2 months notice.
Do we get pay?
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technically, you can opt to resign during your mat. leave .. the calculation of your last day is based on your annual leave, not your mat. leave and yes you will get paid for the notice served.



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Hi Guys,

wanna ask, my company notice period is 2 month. but right now i want to serve the notice period for only 1 month. My company policy stated that if I want to serve less than the notice period I need to pay for it. how normally you mentioned bout serving the notice period? is it to tell them in my resignation letter or verbally to them? I'm planning to pay them for the other month.
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QUOTE(soulknight @ Mar 24 2011, 02:48 PM)
Hi Guys,

wanna ask, my company notice period is 2 month. but right now i want to serve the notice period for only 1 month. My company policy stated that if I want to serve less than the notice period I need to pay for it. how normally you mentioned bout serving the notice period? is it to tell them in my resignation letter or verbally to them? I'm planning to pay them for the other month.
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hi soulknight,
do you have any annual leaves to offset your 2 months notice? If you do, then you needn't pay them for the other 1 mth.
usually, the period of notice is calculated from the effective date stated in your resignation letter.

if you wish to leave early, it is up to you to discuss this with ur manager and hr.

hope this helps.
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hi soulknight,
do you have any annual leaves to offset your 2 months notice? If you do, then you needn't pay them for the other 1 mth.
usually, the period of notice is calculated from the effective date stated in your resignation letter.

if you wish to leave early, it is up to you to discuss this with ur manager and hr.

hope this helps.
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ya I still have this year 16 days of annual leave and another 7 from last year. normally how do the offset thing work? does it mean that if I have 16 day of annual leave then all 16 day will be deducted from the notice period?
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QUOTE(soulknight @ Mar 24 2011, 03:07 PM)
ya I still have this year 16 days of annual leave and another 7 from last year. normally how do the offset thing work? does it mean that if I have 16 day of annual leave then all 16 day will be deducted from the notice period?
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meaning to say as of this yr you have 23 days of annual leave. I m not sure how your leave days are calculated in your company, whether or not they are prorated according to your months of service for the yr.

but assuming, there's no such prorating in your company, and that you have resigned say 15 March 2011 (effective date in your company). Which means your official last day should be 15 May 2011 (after serving 2 mths period).

From 15 May, start calculating backwards 23 days (working days only ah .. does not include weekends). That should be your last day. With 23 days of annual leave and with the assumption there's no prorating of leaves in your company, you can literally offset one month of your service and you needn't pay back. But to be sure,pls check with your HR for the exact calculation as different companies hv different policies to resignation.

hope this helps.
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Guys,

Can we only leave at the end of the month, last day or can we leave anytime?
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 30 2011, 02:46 AM)
Guys,

Can we only leave at the end of the month, last day or can we leave anytime?
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I don't think so, unless you are fired. You hv to serve the notice given ..
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Mar 30 2011, 02:46 AM)
Guys,

Can we only leave at the end of the month, last day or can we leave anytime?
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Can leave anytime. Say you give notice today and your service contract requires 2 months notice then two month from today you have resigned. So happens today is 1st but today can be any day of the month 3,7,14,27.

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Thanks guys.
Im actually still under probation period.

I already told my boss that I wanted to resign last week ( thursday, last day of the month) but he wants me to stay on for another 2 weeks.
But i really don't want. The max I can go is one more week.
So is it ok if I tell him that I can't fulfill his wishes?
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Apr 2 2011, 08:23 PM)
Thanks guys.
Im actually still under probation period.

I already told my boss that I wanted to resign last week ( thursday, last day of the month) but he wants me to stay on for another 2 weeks.
But i really don't want. The max I can go is one more week.
So is it ok if I tell him that I can't fulfill his wishes?
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If contract say 1 week for probation then you have fulfilled contractual obligations by giving 1 week notice. If boss want you to stay 2 weeks then work it out with him. You can just follow contract and dont give a damm. But try not to leave on a bad note.

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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 4 2011, 11:03 AM)
If contract say 1 week for probation then you have fulfilled contractual obligations by giving 1 week notice. If boss want you to stay 2 weeks then work it out with him. You can just follow contract and dont give a damm. But try not to leave on a bad note.
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Thanks.
Now I have another problem.
I need to go to Singapore on Thursday.
Hopefully he will understand that I really have to quit now and
not think that Im making up excuses.
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QUOTE(barca96 @ Apr 5 2011, 06:02 PM)
Thanks.
Now I have another problem.
I need to go to Singapore on Thursday.
Hopefully he will understand that I really have to quit now and
not think that Im making up excuses.
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hi,
i work at a private company for almost 9month.
my offer letter stated that probation for 3month subject to confirmation depend on performance.
but after 9month still no extended letter offer.
from my first letter offer, clearly stated that i only need to give 24hour notice for resignation.
the problem is the company stated that i already a confrim staff and unwilling to pay my salary for the last month after i give a 24hour notice.
do i have a case?
can i report to "jabatan buruh"?
what is the procedure? any fee charge?
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Jeff,
You dont have a case. You are deemed a confirm staff since there is no letter to extend your probation.
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My friend have a case with his company that the HR kept threaten verbally that even if he go industrial court he also don't scare. The HR also say will fight in court until my friend bankrupt using lawyer money because the company is rich. Also threaten my friend by saying he know the law a lot & know his family background, so asking him no point fighting the company. But the HR is very smart, because only say all this verbally & no emails or memo issued as black & white.

The HR is also very sensitive & negative about anything done wrong. Also occasionally the HR hold his claims for even slightest mistake. Traveling mileage also will cut if report not completed or some forms not submitted. In addition, come late 1 minute will deduct salary. Even if my friend saying the truth & fact about improving department will be scolded.

My friend can resign but he feel it is not worth just giving in just like that. Hope some experts can help out here.

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QUOTE(ben83 @ Apr 15 2011, 02:18 PM)
My friend have a case with his company that the HR kept threaten verbally that even I go industrial court he also don't scare. He also say will fight in court until he bankrupt using lawyer money because the company is rich. Also threaten my friend by saying he know the law a lot & know his family background, so no point fighting the company. But he is very smart, only say all this verbally & no emails or memo issued.

He is also very sensitive & negative about anything done wrong. Also occasionally the HR hold his claims for even slightest mistake. Traveling mileage also will cut if report not completed. In addition, come late 1 minute will deduct salary. Even saying the truth & fact about improving department will be scolded.

My friend can resign but he feel it is not worth just giving in just like that. Hope some experts can help out here.
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I have no idea what you are talking about. Please improve on your writing.

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QUOTE(jeff_v2 @ Apr 8 2011, 11:07 AM)
hi,
i work at a private company for almost 9month.
my offer letter stated that probation for 3month subject to confirmation depend on performance.
but after 9month still no extended letter offer.
from my first letter offer, clearly stated that i only need to give 24hour notice for resignation.
the problem is the company stated that i already a confrim staff and unwilling to pay my salary for the last month after i give a 24hour notice.
do i have a case?
can i report to "jabatan buruh"?
what is the procedure? any fee charge?
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Whether you have a case or not is arguable, but get your house in order first is the most important step in building the foundations to your case.

Steps
(a) tender your resignation first (have you done this? If you have yet to do this go ahead and tender, they can say all the rubbish they want to say), this is the most important step.

(b) at stage (b), they should be making some noise, saying that you are already a confirmed staff etc..., in any case, write to them formally and enquire as to when you were ACTUALLY confirmed and to produce a Confirmation Letter.

© now the crux of the matter in (b) is actually the confirmation letter, regardless when the Company date it (backdate/forward dating), i think you have a fair chance of arguing you weren't informed or you didn't sign off on such letter. In any case you resignation letter had come before your confirmation letter (thats why step (a) is also important).

(d) finally you should ask why the company is withholding your money since you were rightfully entitled to leave. You will need justification to back yourself up, it is no use relying on verbal advise given by the company. So what do you do?

(i) ask the company to write to your formally, why did they withheld your salary (although verbal reasoning would have stated the obvious, this is to prevent the company from changing their story later on)

(e) once you have all your documents, proceed to lodge your complaint with labour dept.

Why step (a) to (e), many a times Complainants would proceed to lodge report with labour dept without having proper documentation. Your relationship with your company would probably be SO BAD and knowing that you had lodge a complaint against them in labour dept, documents requested by you would either be "missing" or the respective officer won't even entertain any of your request.

Do it rght the 1st time.

QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 12 2011, 03:08 PM)
Jeff,
You dont have a case. You are deemed a confirm staff since there is no letter to extend your probation.
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i don't really agree with your statement, normally companies will issue a confirmation letter to state a staff is confirmed. Besides the only other reasons why a company would not confirm a staff for an extended period (i.e. in excess of the 3 months probation) is probably because:-

a) oversight by staff (unlikely since its 9 mths already, more likely to be deliberate);
b) cost factor, generally speaking probationary staff are cheaper than confirmed staff (insurance/bonus/claims/privileges); or
c) doubts over the persons performance and may require a longer duration of observation; or
d) company is taking advantage.

It works both ways, really when a staff want to resign, the company will say hey look your a confirmed staff without a hint of being informed he/she was one in the first place. Also note, a company could easily turn around a say your fired, please don't come to work tomorrow.

I would say its more arguable than a death sentence or a one way trip to hell.


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QUOTE(ben83 @ Apr 15 2011, 02:18 PM)
My friend have a case with his company that the HR kept threaten verbally that even I go industrial court he also don't scare. He also say will fight in court until he bankrupt using lawyer money because the company is rich. Also threaten my friend by saying he know the law a lot & know his family background, so no point fighting the company. But he is very smart, only say all this verbally & no emails or memo issued.

He is also very sensitive & negative about anything done wrong. Also occasionally the HR hold his claims for even slightest mistake. Traveling mileage also will cut if report not completed. In addition, come late 1 minute will deduct salary. Even saying the truth & fact about improving department will be scolded.

My friend can resign but he feel it is not worth just giving in just like that. Hope some experts can help out here.
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Put it like this, this is the internet right, i don't know who you are and i don't even know what you are saying to me is actually true/false.

Get the point?

Your friend is literally fighting the system, which is practically pointless and to offend HR folks is practically hell on earth. Be it claims, annual leave or even a simple request would be quite an effort.

The one easiest way is to be able to trigger him to say the same threats that he made and to capture it on voice recording (or video even better).

If you can do this, i believe your friend will be home free.

This post has been edited by aurora97: Apr 15 2011, 04:04 PM
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Aurora,
I dont need to prove my points with argument. Let Jeff take up the case with the a labour courts an we will know. wink.gif
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I have no idea what you are talking about. Please improve on your writing.
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I edited, so can understand now? Thank you
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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 15 2011, 04:40 PM)
Aurora,
I dont need to prove my points with argument. Let Jeff take up the case with the a labour courts an we will know. wink.gif
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agreed with your quote. more likely to be a guinea pig or a lab rat if you ask me. sweat.gif

Anyway Jeff, do let us know the outcome.

Unfortunately, we don't have too many members who have actually posted the outcome of their dispute in labour courts. It would be great reference and precedence for everyone to proceed with.
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Hi all,

Would like to seek some advice / opinion

My employment agreement states that

"After confirmation of your employment, this appointment is terminable by three (3) months' notice in writing or salary-in-lieu thereof, by either the Company or by the Employee without any reason being assigned for such termination."

Given the above, if I resign from my position, can the company still refuse to the payment / salary-in-lieu and insist on the 3 months notice? Would there be a case where I am ready to compensate the salary-in-lieu, but the company refuses it? If that happens, what are my options? Can my manager or HR force me to serve the 3 months notice even if the contract states I have the salary-in-lieu option?

Hope to hear from you.

Thanks,

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Hi,
i have a very hard situation.
my boss really like me and refuse to let me go
but i really want to resign because the job my boss give me
is not really what i want.She say A when interview But give a 'Z" , far from my expectation when work with her!

so how to make a good reason so boss also can let me go easily?

thanks to suggestion who has been situation like me smile.gif

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Apr 15 2011, 05:09 PM)
agreed with your quote. more likely to be a guinea pig or a lab rat if you ask me. sweat.gif

Anyway Jeff, do let us know the outcome.

Unfortunately, we don't have too many members who have actually posted the outcome of their dispute in labour courts. It would be great reference and precedence for everyone to proceed with.
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Then take it from me. I was in that situation before.
QUOTE(rob2789 @ Apr 18 2011, 11:22 AM)
"After confirmation of your employment, this appointment is terminable by three (3) months' notice in writing or salary-in-lieu thereof, by either the Company or by the Employee without any reason being assigned for such termination."

Given the above, if I resign from my position, can the company still refuse to the payment / salary-in-lieu and insist on the 3 months notice? NO Would there be a case where I am ready to compensate the salary-in-lieu, but the company refuses it? There are many similar case which forumers had brought up If that happens, what are my options? Did you see the big word OR in you letter? Can my manager or HR force me to serve the 3 months notice even if the contract states I have the salary-in-lieu option? NO
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QUOTE(musha01 @ Apr 19 2011, 03:48 AM)
Hi,
i have a very hard situation.
my boss really like me and refuse to let me go
but i really want to resign because the job my boss give me
is not really what i want.She say A when interview But give a 'Z" , far from my expectation when work with her!

so how to make a good reason so boss also can let me go easily?

thanks to suggestion who has been situation like me smile.gif
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Tell the truth. Tell your boss you want to do Z and do not mind doing A. When come year end assessment you can nego better increment.

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QUOTE(rob2789 @ Apr 18 2011, 11:22 AM)
Hi all,

Would like to seek some advice / opinion

My employment agreement states that

"After confirmation of your employment, this appointment is terminable by three (3) months' notice in writing or salary-in-lieu thereof, by either the Company or by the Employee without any reason being assigned for such termination."

Given the above, if I resign from my position, can the company still refuse to the payment / salary-in-lieu and insist on the 3 months notice? Would there be a case where I am ready to compensate the salary-in-lieu, but the company refuses it? If that happens, what are my options? Can my manager or HR force me to serve the 3 months notice even if the contract states I have the salary-in-lieu option?

Hope to hear from you.

Thanks,

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QUOTE(musha01 @ Apr 19 2011, 03:48 AM)
Hi,
i have a very hard situation.
my boss really like me and refuse to let me go
but i really want to resign because the job my boss give me
is not really what i want.She say A when interview But give a 'Z" , far from my expectation when work with her!

so how to make a good reason so boss also can let me go easily?

thanks to suggestion who has been situation like me smile.gif
Dilly dally shilly shally leads to nowhere.

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QUOTE(musha01 @ Apr 19 2011, 03:48 AM)
Hi,
i have a very hard situation.
my boss really like me and refuse to let me go
but i really want to resign because the job my boss give me
is not really what i want.She say A when interview But give a 'Z" , far from my expectation when work with her!

so how to make a good reason so boss also can let me go easily?

thanks to suggestion who has been situation like me smile.gif
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How do you know you boss really like you? Do you like your boss?

How long you have worked in the company and now pondering to leave?

Just tell your boss the truth that you would want to find a job to do "A" because that is what you had decided when you joined this company.



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Upon reaching towards end of probation period, should an employee decided not to continue working beyond the period, will it be like a resignation letter ?

Example : Mr. A just started to work, given a 3 months probation, as written in offer letter. Upon dissatisfaction towards Mr. A performance, employer decided to extend the probation to an additional 3 months, letter given. So any contractual matters, Mr. A can still refer himself as under probation right ? With all the benefits, leaves and termination period.
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QUOTE(afosz @ Apr 21 2011, 12:12 PM)
Upon reaching towards end of probation period, should an employee decided not to continue working beyond the period, will it be like a resignation letter ?

Example : Mr. A just started to work, given a 3 months probation, as written in offer letter. Upon dissatisfaction towards Mr. A performance, employer decided to extend the probation to an additional 3 months, letter given. So any contractual matters, Mr. A can still refer himself as under probation right ? With all the benefits, leaves and termination period.
All the tidbits will be remained as it was unless it was written otherwise. Yes, the probationary tag is still there.

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how to defeat the nervousness and get courage to tender resignation?

i prepared evthing including the resignation letter.. just did not formally inform my superior and hand up..

hmm.. 2 months notice and i started to dislike my job but still have to bear for 2 more months..
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QUOTE(CKW008 @ Apr 25 2011, 08:58 AM)
how to defeat the nervousness and get courage to tender resignation?

i prepared evthing including the resignation letter.. just did not formally inform my superior and hand up..

hmm.. 2 months notice and i started to dislike my job but still have to bear for 2 more months..
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Learning how to be confident is not the scope of this thread. There are many material available on how to build confidence. Perhaps you can tell the thread what makes you so nervous.
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Probation ends until end of month with termination period of 24 hours notice. I wish to end my contract up to probation period. Should I inform and give formal letter earlier, or just follow what's written ? My concern is the salary, where should I wait for it first ? Because I'm afraid that tender resignation earlier, salary will not be given.
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QUOTE(CKW008 @ Apr 25 2011, 08:58 AM)
how to defeat the nervousness and get courage to tender resignation?

i prepared evthing including the resignation letter.. just did not formally inform my superior and hand up..

hmm.. 2 months notice and i started to dislike my job but still have to bear for 2 more months..
Slug it as it's meant to be. You should inform your direct superior and of course, if there's any work to be handed over, please do so accordingly. Good luck.

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QUOTE(afosz @ Apr 25 2011, 09:48 AM)
Probation ends until end of month with termination period of 24 hours notice. I wish to end my contract up to probation period. Should I inform and give formal letter earlier, or just follow what's written ? My concern is the salary, where should I wait for it first ? Because I'm afraid that tender resignation earlier, salary will not be given.
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You will be paid pro-rated to the date you leave. Up to you when you want to serve the notice.
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QUOTE(afosz @ Apr 25 2011, 09:48 AM)
Probation ends until end of month with termination period of 24 hours notice. I wish to end my contract up to probation period. Should I inform and give formal letter earlier, or just follow what's written ? My concern is the salary, where should I wait for it first ? Because I'm afraid that tender resignation earlier, salary will not be given.
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Since notice is only 24 hour then wait till you get paid first. Furry is right you get paid on a pro-rate basis but if you think you company would like to delay your pay for some reason then get the full month pay first then give notice. You will not be too concern when they still owe you a few days pay.

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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Apr 26 2011, 10:33 AM)
You will be paid pro-rated to the date you leave. Up to you when you want to serve the notice.
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I'm sorry but what is pro-rated ?

QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 27 2011, 08:52 AM)
Since notice is only 24 hour then wait till you get paid first. Furry is right you get paid on a pro-rate basis but if you think you company would like to delay your pay for some reason then get the full month pay first then give notice. You will not be too concern when they still owe you a few days pay.
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Meaning to say, despite the end date of probation as stated in the letter, I should stay beyond the date until I get the pay, then leave ? Is that it ?
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QUOTE(afosz @ Apr 27 2011, 11:16 AM)
I'm sorry but what is pro-rated ?
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pro-rated: To divide proportionately

If ur monthly salary = RM6,000

U leave on 20th of the month.

So you get paid (RM6,000 ÷ 30) x 20 days = RM4,000.00


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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Apr 27 2011, 12:55 PM)
pro-rated: To divide proportionately

If ur monthly salary = RM6,000

U leave on 20th of the month.

So you get paid (RM6,000 ÷ 30) x 20 days = RM4,000.00
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Ahh I see ! Thanks, but I believe the employer doesn't do pro-rated.
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QUOTE(afosz @ Apr 27 2011, 11:16 AM)
I'm sorry but what is pro-rated ?
Meaning to say, despite the end date of probation as stated in the letter, I should stay beyond the date until I get the pay, then leave ? Is that it ?
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Yes. Confirmation is not automatic. You are not confirm until they give you a letter.

QUOTE(afosz @ Apr 27 2011, 01:45 PM)
Ahh I see ! Thanks, but I believe the employer doesn't do pro-rated.
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You are mislead in your believe. If they dont pay pro-rate they have broke the law. Unless you are paid on a daily or piece meal basis

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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 27 2011, 04:07 PM)
Yes. Confirmation is not automatic. You are not confirm until they give you a letter.

You are mislead in your believe. If they dont pay pro-rate they have broke the law. Unless you are paid on a daily or piece meal basis
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Meaning that I left my previous company in the middle of the month and they did not inform me anything regarding my 2 weeks of service, hence 2 weeks pay, I have the right to collect it ? What if the employer says no ? Any action I can take ?
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QUOTE(afosz @ Apr 27 2011, 04:20 PM)
Meaning that I left my previous company in the middle of the month and they did not inform me anything regarding my 2 weeks of service, hence 2 weeks pay, I have the right to collect it ? What if the employer says no ? Any action I can take ?
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Yes it is your money. If they dont give write them a series of letter then forget it. You can take it take it to the labour court if not it is not that long ago but be prepared to waste some time following the procedures. It does not apply if you leave without giving proper notice.

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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 27 2011, 04:33 PM)
Yes it is your money. If they dont give write them a series of letter then forget it. You can take it take it to the labour court if not it is not that long ago but be prepared to waste some time following the procedures. It does not apply if you leave without giving proper notice.
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What if as stated in contract as 24 hours termination and I follow the terms, but the employer refuse to accept it as 24 hours, requesting me to leave at the end of the month, but I still leave based on 24 hours notice.
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post Apr 27 2011, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(afosz @ Apr 27 2011, 04:38 PM)
What if as stated in contract as 24 hours termination and I follow the terms, but the employer refuse to accept it as 24 hours, requesting me to leave at the end of the month, but I still leave based on 24 hours notice.
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Yes, follow what is in the employment contract (24 hours in this case). That is theory. In practise it is best to give some leeway. As wage earners, it is never good to be on any employers bad books. Talk things out amicably is the best.

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QUOTE(afosz @ Apr 27 2011, 01:45 PM)
Ahh I see ! Thanks, but I believe the employer doesn't do pro-rated.
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QUOTE(afosz @ Apr 27 2011, 04:20 PM)
Meaning that I left my previous company in the middle of the month and they did not inform me anything regarding my 2 weeks of service, hence 2 weeks pay, I have the right to collect it ? What if the employer says no ? Any action I can take ?
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So u did charity work? U work for wages and you are entitled to take whatever effort/work u put in. Unless u r terminated due to gross misconduct


QUOTE(afosz @ Apr 27 2011, 04:38 PM)
What if as stated in contract as 24 hours termination and I follow the terms, but the employer refuse to accept it as 24 hours, requesting me to leave at the end of the month, but I still leave based on 24 hours notice.
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Yes u can leave.
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post Apr 27 2011, 05:24 PM

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So u did charity work? U work for wages and you are entitled to take whatever effort/work u put in. Unless u r terminated due to gross misconduct
Yes u can leave.
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No I did not terminated due to misconduct. If that's the case, I will insist on requesting my pay then. Thank you so much for the advice. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(afosz @ Apr 27 2011, 05:24 PM)
No I did not terminated due to misconduct. If that's the case, I will insist on requesting my pay then. Thank you so much for the advice. notworthy.gif
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Yes u r entitled to the wages. Dun be scared to ask. A lot company like to:

1) delay payment
2) dun wan pay
3) deduct wat they can




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QUOTE(afosz @ Apr 27 2011, 05:24 PM)
No I did not terminated due to misconduct. If that's the case, I will insist on requesting my pay then. Thank you so much for the advice. notworthy.gif
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You still have not told the thread how long ago you leave this place. If anything more than six month the labour office my not entertain you.

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post Apr 28 2011, 11:02 AM

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Hi, I wud appreciate if anyone cud share with me or advice me on wat to do.

Secnario : My salary is above 6K. My last day with company A is on the 15 April (verbal agreement between me and the director) the company has agree to offset my annual leave and hence I was allowed to leave on the 11 April. I started with the new company on the 12 April.

Need Help : I just found out that my previous company (company A) refused to release my salary due in April

What can I do now? Please advice
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QUOTE(SLCS @ Apr 28 2011, 11:02 AM)
Hi, I wud appreciate if anyone cud share with me or advice me on wat to do.

Secnario : My salary is above 6K. My last day with company A is on the 15 April (verbal agreement between me and the director) the company has agree to offset my annual leave and hence I was allowed to leave on the 11 April. I started with the new company on the 12 April.

Need Help : I just found out that my previous company (company A) refused to release my salary due in April

What can I do now? Please advice
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reason given for not releasing the salary? Or will be released later?
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post Apr 28 2011, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Apr 28 2011, 11:08 AM)
reason given for not releasing the salary? Or will be released later?
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Reason being was I join the new company before 15th april. Pls advcie . thanks
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QUOTE(SLCS @ Apr 28 2011, 11:14 AM)
Reason being was I join the new company before 15th april. Pls advcie . thanks
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????? rclxub.gif

wat kinda reason is this. The previous company (Company A) should pay you pro-rated salary (up to 15/April).

Please talk to the boss/HR.

They cant make you work for free from 1st April to 15th April (annual leave is entitled for normal pay).


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QUOTE(SLCS @ Apr 28 2011, 11:02 AM)
Hi, I wud appreciate if anyone cud share with me or advice me on wat to do.

Secnario : My salary is above 6K. My last day with company A is on the 15 April (verbal agreement between me and the director) the company has agree to offset my annual leave and hence I was allowed to leave on the 11 April. I started with the new company on the 12 April.

Need Help : I just found out that my previous company (company A) refused to release my salary due in April

What can I do now? Please advice
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Did the director know about this? You seem to be on taling term with the director. For a start highlight this to the director.

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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 28 2011, 11:19 AM)
Did the director know about this? You seem to be on taling term with the director. For a start highlight this to the director.
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The director say that he allow me to offset my leave hence my last working day is 15April but since I work on the 12 apr with a new company he has the right to stop paying. I am so confused right now.
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QUOTE(SLCS @ Apr 28 2011, 11:22 AM)
The director say that he allow me to offset my leave hence my last working day is 15April but since I work on the 12 apr with a new company he has the right to stop paying. I am so confused right now.
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No such thing lar... doh.gif
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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Apr 28 2011, 11:28 AM)
No such thing lar... doh.gif
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unfortunately this is the action that he insist is right....what can I do now
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QUOTE(SLCS @ Apr 28 2011, 12:14 PM)
unfortunately this is the action that he insist is right....what can I do now
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tell him nicely: You worked from 1st Apr to 15Apr. U are entitled for the prorated pay. u cant work for free. you have resigned according to procedure. there is nothing that u done wrong.
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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Apr 28 2011, 12:28 PM)
tell him nicely: You worked from 1st Apr to 15Apr. U are entitled for the prorated pay. u cant work for free. you have resigned according to procedure. there is nothing that u done wrong.
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ok..thanks for all the advice
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You still have not told the thread how long ago you leave this place. If anything more than six month the labour office my not entertain you.
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Ahh I see, my bad. It has been six month already because it was my earnings in last October. That one I think it's alright. I need this for future reference.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Apr 28 2011, 09:35 AM)
You still have not told the thread how long ago you leave this place. If anything more than six month the labour office my not entertain you.
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got such time frame meh?

Akta Had Masa 1953 got 6 yrs mar:
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Mengikut Seksyen 6(1), Akta Had Masa 1953, sesuatu tindakan yang terbit daripada kontrak dan tort haruslah dibawa ke mahkamah dalam tempoh masa enam tahun.

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QUOTE(afosz @ Apr 28 2011, 02:33 PM)
Ahh I see, my bad. It has been six month already because it was my earnings in last October. That one I think it's alright. I need this for future reference.
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You better act fast. Past 6 months they usually dont layan.

QUOTE(SLCS @ Apr 28 2011, 11:22 AM)
The director say that he allow me to offset my leave hence my last working day is 15April but since I work on the 12 apr with a new company he has the right to stop paying. I am so confused right now.
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The director is a double faced snake. I believe had a grudge against you and is just waiting for the right time to let it out. Yes it is lawful for leave to be offset against notice so he had not problems with it. The technical point is until 15 April you are still his employee. However since you are employed while under his tenure of employment he is getting fussy about it. It is conflict of interest from a technical point of view. If you had joined a competitor is even substantial his case further.

Under normal circumstance, people are not going to get so picky with just 2/3 days. The reason must be you had stepped on his toes in the past. I guess you have to "slow talk" your money back.



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hi, just wanna ask, do i have to state my reason to leave the company in resignation letter?
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QUOTE(bakkutt3h @ May 9 2011, 02:22 AM)
hi, just wanna ask, do i have to state my reason to leave the company in resignation letter?
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No. Not compulsory.
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No. Not compulsory.
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thanks smile.gif just do it already...
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not necessarily.

u can just say u tendering resignation and ur last day already enuff.
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QUOTE(lovebattery @ May 9 2011, 04:57 PM)
not necessarily.

u can just say u tendering resignation and ur last day already enuff.
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I think just mention the the notice period will do.

Some allows annual leaves to be offset etc. Sometimes there are some dispute also.


Added on May 10, 2011, 12:20 pmHey guys,

Normally when u resign, do u keep quiet & low profile, and most ppl dunno until almost the last day... or it is blown out of proportion and everyone knows about it?

Sometimes very irritating when everyone ask: "u leaving? Go where?" laugh.gif



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I had recently resigned from my job. During my join date until my resign date (1 year 3 months) there is no increment on the salary but only bonus of 1.25 months.

My boss counter the salary the other company offer me of the same salary, is it worth it to stay ?

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Next time u will need to submit resignation letter again to ask for increment?

What else u r not happy with at the current company other than pay?

How is the new company compared to this current company?
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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ May 10 2011, 11:58 PM)
Next time u will need to submit resignation letter again to ask for increment?

What else u r not happy with at the current company other than pay?

How is the new company compared to this current company?
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Agree... u need to submit resignation letter only give u a counter offer match with new company...
if u dun do this action.. mean ur still same salary from 1yrs ago...

I think u better think probably... whether worth to work for them anot
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Let's say the company does give increment.... and if u r not happy with it, do u tell the boss/manager?


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Hi all,

want to ask..if company not allow you to use your leave balance to offset before you leave and willling to pay you .
for exp, tender on 11May and serve 1 month notice till 10June , and you still have 8 days leave, company say will pay you for the 8days and ask you to work full month

what is the calculation for the 8 days? based on :
(salary/26days)* 8 days?
normally how many working days will be use as bench mark?
and if company wants to pay you June salary..will they calculate weekends too? means they will pay 8full days or minus weekend?
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Currently I'm facing a quite difficult situation where I might not getting up my salary for this month tongue.gif

In my letter offer (for my current company) stating that I need to give 2 months notice period if I'm billable. This is the part where keep me stuck in here. I'm not sure about this part so I'm tendering 1 month notice period early of this month.

And my tenure with my current company barely reach 3 months. I don't see any solid reason I need to tender 2 months notice but HR really can't release me earlier (1 month).

What I can do to overcome this problem? I doesn't care to escape in unprofessional way but I think there is a way for me to resign and still getting my this month salary, right?
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QUOTE(diamondclow @ May 11 2011, 03:44 PM)
Currently I'm facing a quite difficult situation where I might not getting up my salary for this month tongue.gif

In my letter offer (for my current company) stating that I need to give 2 months notice period if I'm billable. This is the part where keep me stuck in here. I'm not sure about this part so I'm tendering 1 month notice period early of this month.

And my tenure with my current company barely reach 3 months. I don't see any solid reason I need to tender 2 months notice but HR really can't release me earlier (1 month).

What I can do to overcome this problem? I doesn't care to escape in unprofessional way but I think there is a way for me to resign and still getting my this month salary, right?
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where is ur employment contract?

What does it say?


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