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post Dec 26 2008, 05:06 PM, updated 11 months ago

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Contents:

Section A
1. Introduction
2. Objects and Purpose
3. Disclaimer

Section B
1. First Day At Work
2. Exiting a Company
3. Pre-resignation (tendering resignation phase)

Section C
1. Employment Act 1955 (applicability)
2. Resigning Without (or sufficient) Notice
3. Salary or EPF or PCB (Potongan Cukai Bulanan) not paid.

Section D (added 24/6/14)
1. Industrial Relation Act 1967 (in progress/researching)

Section F (added 24/6/14)
Appendix A
Sample of Resignation Letter

Appendix B
More Resignation Letters Sample

Appendix C
Termination/Release Letters

Appendix D
Useful Links

Appendix E
References


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post Dec 26 2008, 11:30 PM

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I am going to look through and to get a "collection of resignation scenarios" from Forumners who have posted their issues, will continue to refine and filter the pages for some good advice not only my own but the advice of many other forumners who contributed.

Making resignation a blessing rather than a pain in the A$$...

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Scenario 1
Want to Resign, but have some issue.., Annual Leave issue
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/885901

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QUOTE(Riki1 @ Dec 24 2008, 11:12 PM)
Hi All, currently I want to resign and i have left about 10+ Annual leave.
Here is the problem which is I'll nit to give 1 month notice to my current company for resignation, if not they will nit to penalty me for 1 month salary, it is stated in the contract.

So, i request to place my 10+ Annual leave to offset the 1 month notice period but HR said the company policy is Annual Leave cannot be used to offset the resignation notice, but this kind of policy did not indicated in my contract.

Now even i wan to apply leave, but supervisor rejected my request and she said that during resignation period i cant apply leave. 

So i nit to get some advise and comment from u guys, since this company policy did not indicated in my contract, so can i juz leave after 3 weeks? will they send any lawyer letter to me n penalty me for 1 month salary?

( I had give the resignation letter on 18 Dec and I am going to leave on 3 Jan 09, I already stated this request in my resignation letter )

Thanks


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Scenario 2 "Sacking" like what Donald trump does "Your FIRED"

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Scenario 4 (oops!)Resign without giving sufficient notice ..., Really need to pay back ?
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/600998?hl

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I ask on behalf of my friend .

His salary is Rm 1,800. He is required to give 2 MONTHS notice b4 resign. He just receive a job (KPLI/DPLI) & need to sign in after 2 weeks. (government always LAST minute  )

So, he only can give 2 weeks notice to the co. (2 months is required)
Therefore , he need to Pay BACK 1. 5 months (around RM 2,700) to the company.

He don't wan to play fair bcause he just get confirmed one month ago.. (I know, should pay back, but if not pay back, whats the consequence?) DO u think the company will sue him ? So, even SUE, need to wait for HAlf Year, One year ?? I doubt company will bring it up.... And HR staff responsible may already left the co.

**ps, 2 months notice is IN the contract & got employment letter !!


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Scenario 5 "Resignation during probationary period"
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/884753?h

Good advice:

by oplotot...

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Scenario 6 "Need Advice of Resignation Letter" Part II ---lookin for part one
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/857019

Commentary:
quite a good reading but yet to know conclusion of the matter, if you read this you might end up hanging in mid air.

Provided your performing well in your task, meeting targets and doing reasonably well (dont need exceptional) than obviously there is no grounds to sack a good staff.

3 years working in the same company in a hostile manager.

Checklist
1. was there any written appraisal done on your performance?
2. was there a warning letter given on poor performance prior?
3. Any sort of diciplinary hearing or letters?

Note that any attempt by a manager if verbally spoken to force an employee to resign from a company can be intepreted as a threat or intention to sack an emplyee. You may want to record the time and date and the actual words spoken to you.

Interesting I didnt know there was a 13th Month Salary?
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Scenario 7 " if signed already reject the offer,how?, any law can sue me? "
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/830373

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Scenario 8 "Resignation"
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=821489&hl=

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Scenario 9 "The Best Way To Resign, Don't burn bridges!!! "
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=527205&hl

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Scenario 10 "Want to Resign, Got 19 days leave., What if the company wont let me go early"
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=417628&hl

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Scenario 11 "resign letter"
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=333298&hl

~Contains a link to sample resignation letters, use with care may or may not be suitable and dont use blindly.
See my snippet here =

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Scenario 12 "What to do if company refused to let me resign?, Career "
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=329228&h

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Scenario 13 " How to write a resign letter ?, anyone know the format? or what to write"
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=277277&hl

Links:
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Scenario 14"[WTA]how to write a resign letter?, can anyone teach me?"
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/260742?hl

Link:
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Scenario 15 " Retrenchment, cut salary, is your company doing so? "
SOS

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Scenario 16 "Sued for Leaving [Company]"
SOS

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Scenario 17 "> Resign without giving sufficient notice ..., Really need to pay back ? "
SOS

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added 4th Feb 2009

Scenario 18 "Ask To Leave By Employer, I was ask to leave by my Finance Manager"
SOS

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By Aurora97
Scenario 20 ""If you did not sign the confirmation letter, are you considered a confirm staff or probationary?"
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By Rexit
Scenario 21 "Asked to resign after end of probation, & take new offer letter. Labor law issue"
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By Naive Lady
Scenario 22 "Medical Treatment After Resign, still entitled?"
SOS

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By Abudin
Scenario 23 "Confirm or Resign"
SOS

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By Online_vincent
Scenario 24 "Salary not paid, long notice period"
SOS

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Extract written by Aurora97
Note: Not only did he Not get his SALARY, his EPF wasn't paid either!
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By Monochrome
Scenario 25 "Resignation doubts" -its much more than this
SOS

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By Justin_Lee
Scenario 26 "Employer didn't remit tax to income tax department"
SOS

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By kerygma
Scenario 27 "How to write appeal letter to my HR depart, anyone write this kind of letter before. "
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-Assuming this is the answeR?

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By stanly007_2
Scenario 28 " Re-sign 's notice period., I am TRAPPED !! "
SOS

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Added on 12012010
By abubin (Employer's perspective.)
Scenario 29 "Job handover after resignation issues, need advice"
SOS

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By firvictory7
Scenario 30 "Resignation issue, Manager dont accept payment notice "
SOS




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post Dec 28 2008, 07:01 PM

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Actually there is no requirement to give any reasons as to why a person is resigning from a company, in fact it is better to keep it short and just say in my contract it provides for me to terminate this relationship.

Drawing from my experience...

That is what i did. I resign from the company because i disagreed with what the company was doing, as a professional and a person with some legal background i felt unease because the management had acted in away that contravene my conscience.

My boss, my colleagues and everyone else had told me to stay for another 2 mths (making it one year of service with the company). I refused, no one knew why i resigned only a hand full of ppl knew until today nobody knows.

My boss had 3 exit meetings with my boss..
1. was during tendering of my resignation letter which was about 20mins worth of lecturing. (life lesson)
2. the second one was another 20 mins worth of lecturing. (life lesson... bs)
3. the final one was the hardest, he got the VP to join him to question/more like interogate me. I had to tahan for 45mins before he released my termination letter to me. It was the longest day of my life and a lot of WHY this and WHY that.

I felt guilty at the same time relief, I couldnt believe it I was almost driven to tears by my boss cause i was so unwilling to leave but i had made up my mind. I had spent 1 month and also talking to my parents, friends about resigning that prepared me for this eventuality.

---> Happy eending?

Though i resigned, my boss was kind enough to speak with another boss from another dept whom I had dealt with regularly. I was a bit reluctant to take up the job, but it was what I was looking for and hope to do. So here I am still with the same company and left smiling thanks to my boss.

In the end, My boss still maintained that I left because i had some issues with my immediate boss. Well she was difficult but not that difficult of a person.
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This is what i received from Ice, the question above is in relations to a career choice not about resignation.

For career choice, no one can make the decision for you but yourself. Unfortunately, i am unable to advice you on your scenario since I would consider it as being out of topic. Try starting a new thread instead, let other assist you on this.

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QUOTE(mrsbrightside @ Dec 30 2008, 03:28 PM)
my company is practisin the LIFO. my colleague got to resign coz she'e the last one to enter our company. i pity her. she's still on probationary period. if for her case, how is she gonna apply work again? if the new company asked why resign, how? she can't say due to bad economy rite?
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thats pretty strange for a company to practice LIFO, but did the company issue some sort of release letter explaining why they had resorted to terminating her employment? It would be unfair for her to be terminated at such a short period, was it because of performance issues, diciplinary or other issues? Probationary staff position isnt the same like a temporary or a part time staff, I would imagine that it is slightly more advantageous to be a probationary staff. Well I am not sure what her contract states but was she compensated say 1 week, 2 weeks or 1 month pay in advance?

If your company terminates her employment and within few months re-hires someone else of the same position, than there must be something fishy going on.

Well its kinda vague cant say much...
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QUOTE(wister @ Jan 4 2009, 07:11 PM)
Hi,

How if the a company fires an employee and agree to give the termination letter. However until the day the employee should leave, he still havent get the letter..? The company just dragging and dragging..
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Well simple, the person should just write in to the company reminding them that they have yet to issue him/her the letter of release/termination.

Make sure send by AR Registered Post/By hand, give them 14 days to reply to your letter and also 3 reminders which are standard.

To insert as well...

Should the company fails to release my termination letter, I shall not be held responsible and/or liable to indemnify the company should there be any loss or damages arising out of or in connection during my term of employment for the failure or default by your officer to issue me my termination letter.

Further to the aforesaid, should the company not revert to me in relations to this matter. I shall deem the company's silence and/or waiver as though it has issued me my termination letter. Should there be any loss or damages as a result of the none issuance of my termination letter, the company shall be held liable to indemnify me as a result of your officer failing or defaulted in his duty to issue me my termination letter.

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Meaning of this letter...

First Part...

Termination letter is important to signify an end between your relationship with the company, so it is imperative that you get your termination letter. Who knows your company maybe up to no good or something fishy, if there is nothing to hide why not issue you your termination letter in the first placE?

So basically the is to save your skin, you dont want the company to come after you 2 years after whilst your with another company do you?

And to remind them how incompetent their HR dept is.

Now the 2nd part...

Is also to cover your skin, if they want to play under the belt tactics by not issuing you your termination letter so be it. Make them liable for not issuing your letter of termination.

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QUOTE(antzan @ Jan 11 2009, 11:42 PM)
what is the company withheld  the employee private property without permission? even the the person have already sent letter claim of its items?

Can the company terminate the person and clear his/her personal item without the person present on site?

Please advice
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Well speaking on my personal opinion as a forumner, I am not very sure of the matter above so take it with a grain of salt...

First of all you have to tell me the reason for the persons termination, why has the company gone to such extreme lenghts to terminate a persons employment and to keep the person's personal items without the person present on site.

Scenario...
This scenario has be modified to protect the identity of the person involved...

The story goes A employee had access to "Company Letterheads", A had used "Company Letterheads" by means of forgery& unauthorised usage of the letterheads to take out a bank guarantee. When the Company found out, A was immediately escorted outside the Company's premises and termination was immediate. A did even have a chance to switch of his/her computer, not to mention collect those personal items.

This is because potentially anything on your personal items could be used as evidence against the person for civil/criminal proceedings depending on the damage or loss incurred as a result of the person acting in breach.

This is one example why a person needed to be escorted off the premises and private property being withheld without permission.

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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Dec 30 2008, 11:59 AM)
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This is what i received from Ice, the question above is in relations to a career choice not about resignation.

For career choice, no one can make the decision for you but yourself. Unfortunately, i am unable to advice you on your scenario since I would consider it as being out of topic. Try starting a new thread instead, let other assist you on this.
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CalmShot refer to the above.

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QUOTE(antzan @ Jan 14 2009, 02:12 PM)
but can they held personnal thing that not inter related to the job?No what so ever proof/evident being given.Only rumours.
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Disclaimer:
I dont know the full facts of the matter and I am randomly dispensing advice which could be inaccurate, not fact checked, illogical, random, false and so on.

Well rumour alone will no suffice enough to confiscate and sack an employee (assuming he/she is), what if the employee turns out t be innocent than they would be in a very big bowl of hot soup.

Nevertheless, the company should issue him/her a response as to why he/she is sacked and why the items have been confiscated. If no reason has been given and if action have been taken based on rumours alone... (assuming here cause i dont have the full facts)

He/She can...
1. Report to the labour dept (for inappropriate sacking, assuming so)
2. Lodge a police report (to claim back his/er personal items)
3. Do a statutory declaration to dispell the rumour. (will explain further if necessary)

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QUOTE(gilmoregirl54 @ Jan 19 2009, 05:45 PM)
Dear All

I really need your opinions or helps here...

1. Can a company stop me or not to accept my resignation even i have given 1 month notice as per contract. When i tried to explain to the boss and inform him about my last day, the boss just ignore me and told me he has no time and will discuss this matter if the HR and my leader are in the office, which means 3 of them must be in the office. But now they are avoiding me...if he is in the office, the HR will take mc...

2. The company also refused to give the released letter even after numerous effort to ask for the letter. My boss just ask me to leave the office and ask me to do what ever i like..when i try to explain things, he said he doesn't have time and ask me to leave if i want to leave the company but they will not give the released letter..

3. Can the company hold the released letter even i have given enough notice (1 month as per contract) and offer to work for free for them if they can release the letter ...because without that letter i couldn't work with other company

4. Is the resignation valid if i email the resignation and put the hardcopy of the letter on his table (because he was outstation and not sure when will be back when i tender my resignation)...

Now i am stucked and I really need your urgent reply, because i do not know what to do now....

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After some consultation with my colleagues, your answers to your questions are as follows:

1. If your immediate boss or a superior doesn't accept your resignation letter, you can proceed to serve it on the HR Dept. Read back your contract, I am doubtful you need 3 superiors to be present to discuss your resignation from the company. Follow what is stated in your contract, if it only mentions you have to give 1 month notice to terminate your contract than 1 month notice would be more than sufficient.

Further to the above, I am doubtful a company can avoid or stop a person from resigning from a company should he/she choose to do so. So pass your resignation letter to HR Dept and have someone "Acknowledge receipt" [very important!!] and wait out your 1 month.

2. I just enquired with my colleague (who does IR/Employment related stuff) a release letter is not a must, if u have it, it just formalizes your termination but nothing more than that. If you don't have it, it won't jeapordize your career. So your termination letter will be very important to evidence that you had resigned from the company from your own chooosing and not because your left cause you were sacked or gone AWOL (leave without reason and joined another company).

3. Like i said in items 2. release letter isn't that important as it sounds [unless I may be wrong], so once you give your notice of 1 month and you have worked until the effective date of your termination your free to go.

4. Now I will not recommend anyone to send resignation by email or to send a hardcopy to your boss when your boss is not around:

To give ur resignation leave it on his desk when his not around=
a) Rude.
b) May create even more tension.
c) burning bridges.
d) no acknowledgement

Unless your absolute sure that handing in your resignation when your boss is not around is a good idea, I suggest that this mode be the very very very last option or avenue.

Email=
a) no one acknowledgement (might go into junk folder who knows.)

It's advisable if your not seeing eye to eye with your boss or ur boss is being an a$$ or for whatever the reason is, just give your termination letter to HR Dept. Make sure again that they acknowledged it so that your notice of termination will be effective the moment someone acknowledges and receives your letter.

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Problems?

I foresee only one issue, the company withold your salary on the grounds your termination wasnt valid. It's only the money issue will hold you back and they can threaten you with, thats why getting your termination letter & observing the terms of your employment contract is very important.

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QUOTE(gilmoregirl54 @ Jan 28 2009, 01:00 PM)
Hi Aurora

Thank you very much for your reply...

Actually, before this i have tendered my resignation on november 28, 2008, by hand and face to face. On that day my boss asked me to consider and he gave back to me the resignation letter. My boss also told me, if i still want to proceed with resignation, he asked me to give the letter whenever i like.

My boss, seldom come to office...when i gave the letter to HR..they don't want to accept, and asked me to give the letter personally to my boss..i have been waiting for him to come for almost 2 weeks...i understand this has been very rude...but i have no choice...

In contract, it is not stated that 3 superiors must be in the office to discuss the resignation..and according to my contract, 1 month notice is required if resign.

for the whole week they have been avoiding me..if one superior come the other one will not come and the HR have been MC for the whole week, and my boss only come to office on last friday (the house is nearby our office) and

at last, last friday..he discussed this matter with me (without the other 2 superiors present).

He told me that he will not accept my resignation..and he gives me one condition if i want to leave: I have to find the person to replace me and train that person, then only i can go off. Again..this condition is not stated in my contract.

For your info, i am not malaysian..i am working using visa...so that's why i require the released letter as requested by immigration to proceed my visa.

What should i do now?
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In contract, it is not stated that 3 superiors must be in the office to discuss the resignation..and according to my contract, 1 month notice is required if resign.

There you have it, your contract already stated that you need only to give 1 months notice to resign. Tender you resignation letter whether to HR Dept or your boss, if they refuse to accept forward your complaint to the Labour Dept and let them deal with your irresponsible boss and HR Dept.

For your info, i am not malaysian..i am working using visa...so that's why i require the released letter as requested by immigration to proceed my visa.

This is the tricky part, my assumption was base on the idea you were actually a Malaysian Citizen. I am concern that if you should terminate your employment, you will be required to return to your coountry of origin within X period of time unless an extension is granted?

You may want to seek assistance from the labour dept to assist you on this matter, if you still want to work in Malaysia. Otherwise, you maybe force to return to you home country.

*oh and by the way this is pure kopitiam opinion and shooting from random angles have never dealt with foreigners employment problems be4 doh.gif *

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QUOTE(kockroach @ Feb 20 2009, 09:04 AM)
Hi, can I know whether I'm allowed to utilize my annual leave during my notice period. According to my HR, the annual leave is on a pro-rata basis, is that right refer to Labour Law? Thanks
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hmmm this one is a frequently asked question, need to do a research on this.

From my knowledge anyway, certain companies may or may not allow you to utilize ur annual leave during the notice period or they may require you to serve out your notice period and your annual leave be converted to cash or like u said annual leave to be pro-rated.

by the way it may be a matter of company policy how they decide how you can utilize your annual leave.

In the meantime, what you can do is to request from your HR where is the procedure or policy for such action just to be extra extra sure.

I will need to double check on this for u.
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QUOTE(Dead4Life @ Feb 24 2009, 02:42 AM)
Hi Guys,

I'm new here in this forum, but i wanna ask about my problem...

I'm currently working as permenant staff in company A less than a week. My probation is 6 month. Can i resign within that probation, let say i've got better offer and salary from company B? How am i going to tender the resignation to head department in working less than a month? Is the head will scold me for leaving? How am i gonna answer the questions from him?

FYI, for the period of 6 month probation, i will get 14 days period but i cant get entitlement leave (my annual leave 23 days per year). I felt i need to leave because i can't see me working same task everyday.

Please guys, help me.

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omg i replied to this thread be4, let me figure out what i have typed willl reply accordingly... "read missing post"

To Dead4Life,
i remember u asked me something abt something with regards to my earlier posting, do u remember it?!?
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QUOTE(Dead4Life @ Feb 25 2009, 07:16 PM)
Aiyaa..forgot already..hahaha...but i reply back on your feedback and said like this...

I'm working in less than a month in company A and i've got a offer by another company B (big company)...in my employee's contract stated ..(for employees on probation, the notice of termination by either the Management or the employee shall be 14 days in writing or pay in lieu thereof)...i dunno about the meaning stated "in writing"...i'm may not going to get entitlement leave with the anuual leave i've got (23)...

You did mention about how i'm gonna face to send the reisgnation letter to manager and the colleagues there....u did give me some points but i forgot..ahaha..

so what do i need to do after i send the resignation letter to boss? I'm worried about this...please help me again ehehe...

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Just to clarify why i forgot what i said...
I forgot what I have typed and written caused of crash that wiped out some of my replies.

The assumption is tyhat your still under probation caused you said "less than a month", well than basically u just give 14 days written notice to the management to terminate your employment.

Unless you have earned your leave only than u will get your entitlement, that means you work for 1 month you get 1 day annual leave (depending on calculation 1 month is just an example).

Well i think i did say...
*this on the assumption that you have not received any offers from any other companies yet*

Talking is good, so talk to your boss first...
1. you did mention the job was pretty monotonous, boring etc... along that lines. You should approach your superior try and convey your concerns to him, see if he can assign you to other task that maybe of interest to you. If your superior can accomodate your request give it a shot and see what happens, you may or may not like it at least u wont leave a bad taste with your employers.

Enuf talking, time to go...
2. if u really feel like leaving, then tender your resignation accordingly by submitting it personally to your superior. On an urgent basis should your boss becomes unavailable or is away fro extended period, you can submit it to HR manager. It may be rude, on urgent basis it is acceptable.
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QUOTE(kiox @ Apr 7 2009, 03:14 PM)
hi everyone,

i'm stuck in a company with so unprofessional and unproper management of boss..
trying to get other job but luck still not on my side.

got interview last week, but unsuccessful. juz wondering, how to answer 'Why do you want to look for another job' question?

honestly, i really didn't know how to lie. my answer; to gain more experience and expand knowledge are not sufficient enough to convince them...

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The rule of thumb is...
I think its better to be honest rather than to lie to the interviewer, if your giving other answers he/she may feel that your more like a job hoper for increment rather than honest looking to stay with the company permanently.

thought on the exception side...
if u really liek the company or its a big MNC... a bit of discretion may be required to (*ahem*) lie.

how?
1. do rehersals, practice in your mind the points that you may want to put forward.
2. have a few point that lead to different conclusions.
3. make sure each probing question made to your answer has another answer to your answer...

Example:

Scenario 1
A: Why do you look for this job?
B: because of poor management and unprofessional staff
A: so what makes you think the management in this company is better?
B: i have done reviews, read your annual reports, checked newspaper clipping, enquire with my friends who work with your company... bla bla bla..

*oh btw i wasnt entire honest with my job but i got it anyway .. lol

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QUOTE(kiox @ Apr 7 2009, 07:07 PM)
many thanks aurora for your reply.

actually, i already done that. they asked me that question...
then i start talking blah, blah, blah...told them everything...about my company...

i also done some research on the new company n also my friend is staff there.
and i told everything good about them than my current cmpny

but, the same evening, i got the-unsuccessful-email from the cmpny hr... cry.gif

i heard once that its not a good thing to tell the interviewer bad thing about your current cmpny...
i broke that rule bcoz i thought i juz want to be honest...

so, is it i must create a lie or stay honest? or it is just not my rezeki...?
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so, is it i must create a lie or stay honest? or it is just not my rezeki...?

Hmm,

think of it like this...

your a doctor in a hospital and this patient A of yours got cancer and will die in 1 month time left...

Scenario 1
A is someone who cannot accept reality, very afraid of dying and so on...

Do you tell him the truth?

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Telling the truth or lie for that matter are assets that can be manipulated in your favour, the only caveat probably would be to use your own discretion.

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As always i would encourage strongly that you always tell the truth.

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QUOTE(HotGimmick @ Apr 8 2009, 12:50 AM)
Hi aurora, I have an urgent question. I tendered on 1st April and stated my last day to be May 31st as i need to serve 2 mths notice. But I have now decided to leave earlier. Is it prudent to write them a letter now stating that I will only be serving the remainder of my 1st mth notice and compensating one mth's salary in lieu of the 2nd month's notice period? Will my last day effectively be 30th April?
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My 2 cents...

Well anything that is different from the negotiated contract probably you will need to seek management approval, some may be willing to let you go because there isn't any urgent matter at hand or because there are ample people queuing around the corner for your job. If otherwise, its unlike that the company will let you go without serving out the full notice unless exemption granted by management.

so i would say in ur case is management's call whether they allow u to depart early or otherwise.
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QUOTE(jg2008 @ May 7 2009, 02:27 AM)
hi aurora 97, i am face some problem such as i am resign almost one weeks but i am still not get my salary because my boss intentional to delay my salary with no reason.
Actually all the story is like this, i am resign at 20th of april 2009 and give a SMS notice(probation period) and my position is product executive. My offer letter is didn't mention need to give 24 hour notice so thats why i am just give a SMS notice to my boss because that day i think is over angry and my boss is not in office so i am just SMS notice. In between the few days, me and my boss is discuss what's the reason for my leaving. I am just telling him i am over work for him because my job also need to responsible marketing,warranty issue,some admin jobs such like record the warranty item to warranty book,update the pricelist for the sales person,update the website for new product,purchasing and other as well (the one i am most don't like is i am need to doing like normal labour carry the shipment to warehouse when the container is arrive). then he give me a lot of reason say he want to expand he company la, so first i am need to do the job s as above i am mention just now with no actual date(mean i am don't know when my boss will hire another staff to handle the job such like warranty and marketing issue) bla bla bla....a lot reason is benefit for him( he can save a lot because hire one staff can responsible so many jobs and don't provide EPF funds also when the staff is still under probation). The end, he ask me to give a resignation letter to him and give some responsibility such like pass back the jobs i am not yet done to him(give some explanation to him about how to settle those jobs). So i am bring my resign letter to him another day, For my resign letter i am mention is termination of service to this company and he say this resign letter but he don't accept and he retype another resign letter for me and the content is mention i am cannot provide any information,secrecy,company materials,buisness strategy,customers database,product price struture,employee info and any form of materials to third party which may damages the goodwill,benefit and lost the his company and he will take legal action to me. So me also sign this letter then my boss say will remit my salary in a punctual time.
Until today is 7th of may 2009 i am still also not yet receive my salary without any reason because i am have call back to office asking the account department and they say boss want to hold my salary. So can you tell me what should i am do now?
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Frankly after termination i dont see any reason why your boss continue holding on to your salary, unless of course there is still some issue lingering.

1st step:
Make sure you keep your resignation letter (to be produce as evidence later on)
Will basically you will need to write to them asking for an explanation as to why ur salary has been withhold.

This letter you will need to get acknowledgement receipt and give them a specific timeline to reply say 14 days.

2nd step:
Go to labour dept and file your complain.

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QUOTE(silhouette @ May 17 2009, 09:52 PM)
hi aurora. i have an urgent question here. my contract with my current employer will be end on 7th June. provided in the offer letter stated that i must tender 1 month period of notice if i want to resign..my question is, if after my contract ended on the 7th june and they didnt offer me whether to extend my contract or confirmation do i need to tender my resign letter with one month notice period? or can i just resign within 24 hour?thanks in advance
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I am assuming the following:

1. 1 year contract
2. ending 7th June 2009
3. tender 1 month notice to resign

Well this is what I am assuming cause i cannot see ur confirmation letter, (would prefer if u could give more details, especially whether ur contract mention anything about after the contract period?)

provided in the offer letter stated that i must tender 1 month period of notice if i want to resign.

reading this line aline i think u have to tender 1 month notice, regardless whether during or after the contracted period.

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Than again (I've asked a colleague of mine) if after the contracted period has expired, basically there's no more contract (provided they dont extend or continue or in other words "they kept quiet")..

Possibly u can tender 24hrs notice




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QUOTE(third_princess @ May 20 2009, 04:59 PM)
hi, regarding the content of offer letter, if it does not state about the bonus, does it means that there's no bonus for that particular position?

please advice. thanks!
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Wrong place to plaster your question, try posting it at Jobs & Careers...

Don;t want to derail the topic.
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QUOTE(shawn2k4 @ Jun 5 2009, 07:38 PM)
Just to share my current situation with everyone here. I'm working in the IT Dept in a Banking Industry. I'm enrolled as a Contract staff for a period of 6 mths and i'm currently in my 4th month of employment. I've already submitted my resignation letter on the 23rd of May 2009 giving a 1 month notice period which is stated as a requirement in my contract should i need to resign. And in good will instead of placing my last day on the 20+ of June, i mentioned that i'll work till the end of the month.

Reasons for me resigning includes :

A) Me being treated as a Despensible Employee by my Immediete Boss despite all the effort and performance shown(notified and acknowledge by other Senior Employees)

B) The Companies entire IT Dept is all messed up,unorganized and not systematic at all. This meaning that no specialization, and everyone does everything at everytime.

C) Not secured. Due to no offer to convert into a permanent staff due to certain reasons mentioned by my boss.

D) Contradiction between Actions taken and words spoken by my immediate boss.

I might not have managed to secure another job yet(as i've read and acknowledge that its better to leave only if you've manage to secure another job offer) but i've already submitted my CV to other companies and manage to spoke to a few of them.

One thing that i can never understand with my boss is that , one minute he doesn't give a s**t if i leave, and another minute he's like so despo for me to stay.

But i've already made up my mind to leave and i'm sticking with it to the end despite the consequences. I never knew resigning from a job can be such a pain in the a$$.

Quote from my boss " If you wish to leave, go ahead i'll not stop you. But bear in mind that with what i pay you , i can just hire another you from elsewhere."
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Ermm.. contract staff is slightly different ball game...

you gave your reasons why you wanted to resign but not the terms and conditions of your contractual employment ...

for obvious reasons one can choose to resign at any time, the only problem is the part where you get penalized or serving out your notice period.


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QUOTE(2fast2furious @ Jun 4 2009, 10:05 AM)
I am absolutely frustrated.... I have submitted my resignation to my branch manager on the 15 May 2009. My last day if minus off the leave is on the 3 July 2009.

Till today he have not passed the letter to my admin to have them processed. I have asked my admin to take it from him immediately but he always brush off and said "ok ok i will find the letter... i misplaced". I mean WTF man........

I told my admin that i am leaving on the date and please get it from him ASAP..... Sigh.......why is it soooooooooo hard to just pass the f**king letter for processing?!!?!??!!?!!!

I wanted to pass the letter to admin / HR rather than to him. But i figured out of "respect" as he is a super duper f**king ego maniac so i passed it to him... and it was the norm for employees under his pants to pass letter to him for resignation...

What shall i do? Can i just leave when the time comes?

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if and when you do re-submit, well i suggest you to submit to both the Manager and HR dept. If possible get acknowledgement from at least one of them.

Another under handed tactic (whether it will work or not not sure but...), have a letter despatch to your own dept addressed to your manager and have the receptionist (or whomever) acknowledge the letter and let him/her receiptionist deliver to your boss.

No excuses for non-acceptance than.

You cant just walk away from your post even if you submitted your resignation letter, since you boss hasnt approve your resignation or informed the HR dept of your departure. (same as AWOL).

In any case, u got no proof that your boss has been constantly misplacing your notice unless of course your confirm in writing the following day. Than at least u can use it as proof.


Added on June 15, 2009, 10:45 am
QUOTE(sipout @ May 26 2009, 12:39 PM)
Hi aurora97....

Past 2 weeks, my managing director had force me to put my resignation leter and by mutual understanding and also by current prevailling structure, the notice of resignation period must be in 3 months, so i'll decide to put 3 months notice as per required by the Company Policy..but according to what i'm understanding about the Act 1955, it suppose to both written notice for the resignation period (stated also the last day of service)...until now i still didn't get the letter...so the problem is..

1. Actually i dont want to resign coz i want the HR Manager do the investigation first why they want to fire me...
2. Can i assume that they don't accept my resignation coz until to date i didn't received yet my Acceptance of Resignation?
3. Can i take action on the date (according to my letter that stated my last day of service) as a my first day notice becoz after 3 month, i assume HR Manager failed to accept my resignation notice?? (after the HR manager asked me to relieve)
4. My human resource are lack of expertise on the Malaysian Employment Act 1955 so frankly i want to teach them something regarding LAW...huhuh
5. What i understand i had the right to get payment in-liue if they want me to early dismiss and that is the thing i want before i relive my position as HR Officer.
6. If i drag my problem to the Labour Office, do i had strong case about the force to resign situation??

thank you in advance and hope to hear from u soon...
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Before i begin, though the Act may say one thing, whilst your employment contract may say another... it may be varied if there's mutual consent between the parties.

Speaking generally, the law doesnt intervene in matters that have been contracted unless its grossly unfair (even so courts will rarely intervene).

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1. if you under investigation, than i don't see the reason any time during the period of investigation to "relieve" you from your position until such time the results of the investigation is out. the company can probably suspend but to the extent of sacking of a staff prior to the conclusion of an investigation... i doubt it.

2. verbal agreement between whomever does not equate to actual acceptance of resignation, not receive your resignation letter, sign and pen down your name that you accept the resignation and to the effect of its terms.


Past 2 weeks, my managing director had force me to put my resignation leter and by mutual understanding and also by current prevailling structure, the notice of resignation period must be in 3 months, so i'll decide to put 3 months notice as per required by the Company Policy
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so you've been force to hand in your resignation letter, at the same time its mutual? <--- confused here.

If you dont agree why in the first place you submit the resignatuion letter?!

- well i think personally, once u submit the resignation leter the time starts to run and after than you can probably consider your employment terminated even without an Acceptance of Resignation. (if you did receive one, you can probably without any problem request to be issued one - i dont think its a necessity since it came from MD that request you to resign)

5. That is if they dismiss you early, say your emplyed as a permanent staff... one morning MD decides to sack you on spot... than the company will have to compensate you i.e. 2 weeks pay or pro rate or whatever payment method you have agreed in your contract.

6. cant comment you just have to give it a try i guess?


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