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post Oct 10 2010, 11:38 AM, updated 16y ago

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chicaman , my PMR ending in days so it shouldn't be a problem , thanks for the advice smile.gif
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I'm 15 this year too smile.gif A healthy lifestyle and a better body has really gave me a boost in confidence, as i was overweight since std3
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post Oct 10 2010, 04:51 PM

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post Oct 10 2010, 07:09 PM

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I gonna start my diet schedule. My plan is

Breakfast - salad

Lunch - meat, rice and 2 piece of vege

5 pm - 1 bread

dinner - cow rice

WHat u guys think? Can become fat?
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Oct 10 2010, 07:09 PM)
I gonna start my diet schedule. My plan is

Breakfast - salad

Lunch - meat, rice and 2 piece of vege

5 pm - 1 bread

dinner - cow rice

WHat u guys think? Can become fat?
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First, you're not eating enough, that's waaaaay too little. Second, why on earth do you want to become fat? And third, what's cow rice? ._.
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post Oct 10 2010, 07:41 PM

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1) Then how much more need to eat? I dun haf so much money to eat so much.. any economical but good meal?

2) not im thin then need become fat only can build body right?

3) cow rice is rice with beef
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Oct 10 2010, 07:41 PM)
1) Then how much more need to eat? I dun haf so much money to eat so much.. any economical but good meal?

2) not im thin then need become fat only can build body right?

3) cow rice is rice with beef
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doh.gif. Rice with beef, cow rice sounds like some sort of rice tat grow out of the cow.


1) 1g of protein to per lbs of ur bodyweight, preferably protein source = meat and egg

2) to build ur body u need muscle, not fat

3) eat 5 -6 times a day, beef is a very good source of protein.
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post Oct 10 2010, 08:37 PM

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5 times? then i need supper oso lo.. then will add up become 5 meal.. I dunno how to calculate protein so i just eat la.. also im thin no fat wont be able build body right? so i have to take more carbohydrate like eat rice and bread..

beef is good source protein then i will eat more.. so now my diet is:

breakfast - salad
lunch - big piece of pork, rice, 2 small piece of pumpkin
tea - 1 pcs bread
dinner - cow rice
supper - 1 pcs bread

is it ok?
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Oct 10 2010, 08:37 PM)
5 times? then i need supper oso lo.. then will add up become 5 meal.. I dunno how to calculate protein so i just eat la.. also im thin no fat wont be able build body right? so i have to take more carbohydrate like eat rice and bread..

beef is good source protein then i will eat more.. so now my diet is:

breakfast - salad
lunch - big piece of pork, rice, 2 small piece of pumpkin
tea - 1 pcs bread
dinner - cow rice
supper - 1 pcs bread

is it ok?
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no eggs? u can add eggs for bfast, lunch and dinner.
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Oct 10 2010, 08:37 PM)
5 times? then i need supper oso lo.. then will add up become 5 meal.. I dunno how to calculate protein so i just eat la.. also im thin no fat wont be able build body right? so i have to take more carbohydrate like eat rice and bread..

beef is good source protein then i will eat more.. so now my diet is:

breakfast - salad
lunch - big piece of pork, rice, 2 small piece of pumpkin
tea - 1 pcs bread
dinner - cow rice
supper - 1 pcs bread

is it ok?
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How about eggs? 10eggs white gives u around 30-50g of protein depending how big is the eggs.

Yes fats is needed, but those fats are from olive oil, fish oil, flax seed oil and not cooking oil.

Eating bread is ok, make it whole meal and packing each meals with some protein should be better. How big is the pork and beef?

The amount of protein (in gram) u need a day is at least 1g per 1lb of ur body weight. If u are 100lb, then u need at least 100g protein to build muscles.

So u gotta estimate how much protein u are eating per day if u want to grow some lean muscle and not bodyfats!
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post Oct 10 2010, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(chicaman @ Oct 10 2010, 09:18 PM)
How about eggs? 10eggs white gives u around 30-50g of protein depending how big is the eggs.

Yes fats is needed, but those fats are from olive oil, fish oil, flax seed oil and not cooking oil.

Eating bread is ok, make it whole meal and packing each meals with some protein should be better. How big is the pork and beef?

The amount of protein (in gram) u need a day is at least 1g per 1lb of ur body weight. If u are 100lb, then u need at least 100g protein to build muscles.

So u gotta estimate how much protein u are eating per day if u want to grow some lean muscle and not bodyfats!
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eat so many egg? I cannot la... maybe 1 egg ok?

i eat 1 pcs bread from the bakery got chocolate cream and others in 1...

If 55 kg need how many g protein?

U mean i just need eat protein and skip the fat? Cuz i think tot need fat first b4 can change to muscle
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Oct 10 2010, 09:21 PM)
eat so many egg? I cannot la... maybe 1 egg ok?

i eat 1 pcs bread from the bakery got chocolate cream and others in 1...

If 55 kg need how many g protein?

U mean i just need eat protein and skip the fat? Cuz i think tot need fat first b4 can change to muscle
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Fats will not change into muscle, same goes to muscle will not turn into fats.

55kg is around 120lb and u need 120g a day minimum if u want to build muscle.


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120g means i need eat 20 eggs rclxub.gif

gila..

Can anyone suggest me low cost diet? Im poor


Added on October 10, 2010, 9:44 pmrice will be the best.. i can eat many rice no prob cuz is cheap.. spaghetti oso can..

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post Oct 10 2010, 10:13 PM

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not sure rice has any trace of protein... :S

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post Oct 10 2010, 10:24 PM

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so u mean eat little rice?
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post Oct 10 2010, 10:39 PM

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you keep whining. What do you want ? Do your own research, you don't even know the difference between carbs, protein, and fats.
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Oct 10 2010, 07:09 PM)
I gonna start my diet schedule. My plan is

Breakfast - salad

Lunch - meat, rice and 2 piece of vege

5 pm - 1 bread

dinner - cow rice

WHat u guys think? Can become fat?
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Oct 10 2010, 08:37 PM)
5 times? then i need supper oso lo.. then will add up become 5 meal.. I dunno how to calculate protein so i just eat la.. also im thin no fat wont be able build body right? so i have to take more carbohydrate like eat rice and bread..

beef is good source protein then i will eat more.. so now my diet is:

breakfast - salad
lunch - big piece of pork, rice, 2 small piece of pumpkin
tea - 1 pcs bread
dinner - cow rice
supper - 1 pcs bread

is it ok?
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Imma quote Darklight's femes line:
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my girlfriend eats more than you. no offense.
WTF?! 2 pieces of vege? 2 small pieces of pumpkin?
I think a chicken eats more vege than you do.
QUOTE(fifi85 @ Oct 10 2010, 09:44 PM)
120g means i need eat 20 eggs rclxub.gif

gila..

Can anyone suggest me low cost diet? Im poor


Added on October 10, 2010, 9:44 pmrice will be the best.. i can eat many rice no prob cuz is cheap.. spaghetti oso can..
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Not asking you to get all your protein from eggs lah. Rice, beef, pork, chicken, fish have protein too.
Eat lots of rice if you're poor as you say you are. Don't ask "1 1/2 bowl enough?", I'll tell you: 3 big friggin' bowls per meal.


Added on October 11, 2010, 1:11 am
QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Oct 10 2010, 10:13 PM)
not sure rice has any trace of protein... :S
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Rice actually contains appreciable amounts of protein. You can actually buy rice protein to replace whey.

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post Oct 11 2010, 07:08 AM

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Then after having proper diet, if i didnt workout what will happen? The things i eat will change into fat?
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Oct 11 2010, 07:08 AM)
Then after having proper diet, if i didnt workout what will happen? The things i eat will change into fat?
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Only excess of calories will turn into fat.. No matter it is carb, protein or fat..
No workout, calories in > calories out = excess calories --> fat..
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QUOTE(shiloong7081 @ Oct 10 2010, 10:39 PM)
you keep whining. What do you want ? Do your own research, you don't even know the difference between carbs, protein, and fats.
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I agreed...
U guyz made many suggestions n ideas, but I guess there r babies tat wan to b spoon fed.

Baby, try to eat every 2-3 hrs, a small meal also can.
For mi workin in office, I can't cook, so I pre-pack wholemeal bread with peanut butter.
U can also buy oats and add them to the beverages tat u drink like Milo etc, but Milo has high sugar, mayb u wan to try cocoa drink instead...
Do a bit of research, otherwise u jus make every1 frustrated
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read health article first, then you can ask here what u dont understand. its difficult for us to explain all

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Woohoo,blood test after whacking average of 12 eggs a day for 5 months!

Total cholesterol is within limits!(0.1 below limit)

But HDL still low despite all the fish/salmon oil. blink.gif
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@pedro
You're not very good at pretending to not know that the high cholesterol intake = high cholesterol in blood theory is a total quack tongue.gif


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QUOTE(Syd G @ Oct 11 2010, 11:36 AM)
@pedro
You're not very good at pretending to not know that the high cholesterol intake = high cholesterol in blood theory is a total quack tongue.gif
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lol you saw right through that!

Eh but at least the skeptics have the living proof! whistling.gif
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this is good news, pedro biggrin.gif
sometimes i do get very worried about consuming so much beef....sometimes up to 300g per sitting! all that saturated fat..... hehe.
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I also get worried sometimes,thats why I do regular blood tests to know how's everything going!
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just wanted to know, is actually 1kg = 1g protein or 1lb = 1g protein? if 1lb = 1g protein, it seems a lot..currently im 140lbs..
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for every 1lb u weigh, u need 1g of protein.
some articles say, that is the normal amount. but for you to really bulk, u need 1.5-2g.
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i noticed nowadays the instant noodle contain like 8-10g protein per pack...is that true?
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Oct 11 2010, 03:51 PM)
for every 1lb u weigh, u need 1g of protein.
some articles say, that is the normal amount. but for you to really bulk, u need 1.5-2g.
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I read power factor book, it's said 1g per kilo bodyweight and should devide the calories at 60% carb, 25% protien and 15% fat. gooshhh

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anyone got any tips for shoulder training?
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anyone got any tips for shoulder training?
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Focus on contraction

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QUOTE(E|dan @ Oct 11 2010, 03:49 PM)
anyone got any tips for shoulder training?
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Supersets. That's what I do. Scared to go heavy, might damage the shoulder joint, so I focus more on reps.
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QUOTE(harris92 @ Oct 11 2010, 04:16 PM)
Supersets. That's what I do. Scared to go heavy, might damage the shoulder joint, so I focus more on reps.
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some example of supersets please?
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QUOTE(E|dan @ Oct 11 2010, 04:21 PM)
some example of supersets please?
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My superset consists of 12 reps of dumbbell presses, 12 reps of front raises, followed by 12 reps of side raises.

Any pro's that can comment on this? Been sticking to this for some time now, just recently change to heavier-weights-less-reps for my dumbbell presses.
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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Oct 11 2010, 12:12 PM)
this is good news, pedro biggrin.gif
sometimes i do get very worried about consuming so much beef....sometimes up to 300g per sitting! all that saturated fat..... hehe.
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Heh. I've been eating beef for the past 4 days. All heavy meals with them. I feel great rclxms.gif

But my tummy don't look that good, though...

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Hi guys, anywhere recommended to get 10kg dumbbell? I don't need a pair, one is enough..

Those fitness store selling quite expensive..
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Oct 10 2010, 10:13 PM)
not sure rice has any trace of protein... :S
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got...micro proteins..haha


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QUOTE(shirley_andy @ Oct 11 2010, 05:38 PM)
Hi guys, anywhere recommended to get 10kg dumbbell? I don't need a pair, one is enough..

Those fitness store selling quite expensive..
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can try find in supermarket like tesco.
cant remember how much, but range from rm70-80.
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QUOTE(pedro @ Oct 11 2010, 10:21 AM)
Woohoo,blood test after whacking average of 12 eggs a day for 5 months!

Total cholesterol is within limits!(0.1 below limit)

But HDL still low despite all the fish/salmon oil.    blink.gif
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hey guys..i borrowed a physical n fitness book from the library..it say one should nt consume more than 3 eggs a week?!..cos the cholesterol lvl is 215mg and normal human jz nid like 300+mg of cholesterol a day..any1 care to elaborate?

currently im taking 3eggs a day...on & off=(..keke

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QUOTE(skyruler @ Oct 11 2010, 07:53 PM)
hey guys..i borrowed a physical n fitness book from the library..it say one should nt consume more than 3 eggs a week?!..cos the cholesterol lvl is 215mg and normal human jz nid like 300+mg of cholesterol a day..any1 care to elaborate?

currently im taking 3eggs a day...on & off=(..keke
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Oct 11 2010, 08:35 PM)
most important point there is, he's still alive!
thing is, 10-20 eggs a day for months is deadly, if you just sit on the couch daily without working out. otherwise, it's a good source of protein for muscle building.

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Hmm, darklight79 takes 30++ daily, I take 10-15 daily, ken86 takes 20++ daily, pedro takes 12 daily and we are still here biggrin.gif
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Mine is an average over that period,sometimes 24 per day when no time or sometimes 5 when too lazy!
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hi... i see iamyuanwu saying about protein rice. Is it something can get from the store?

i mean food section store. It's the first time i come to the protein rice.

Sorry if asking for some real noobie question.


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I know organic shops do sell different forms of protein powder (I saw soy and some other things..I think rice?).
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QUOTE(pedro @ Oct 11 2010, 02:10 PM)
I also get worried sometimes,thats why I do regular blood tests to know how's everything going!
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mine's due whistling.gif
but i wanna do a round of good ol' offseason eating first!!!!


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QUOTE(1234567r @ Oct 11 2010, 02:48 PM)
just wanted to know, is actually 1kg = 1g protein or 1lb = 1g protein? if 1lb = 1g protein, it seems a lot..currently im 140lbs..
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1lb = 1g.
it SEEMS alot but when you actually get down to the eating its not alot at all.
personal experience.... im about the same weight as you are and i eat 1.5g per lb. and i STILL HUNGREE. cry.gif


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hi... i see iamyuanwu saying about protein rice. Is it something can get from the store?

i mean food section store. It's the first time i come to the protein rice.

Sorry if asking for some real noobie question.
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umm... ive never seen rice protein powders.... but i hv seen rice milk in organic stores and some branches of jaya grocer. =/

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QUOTE(MelForC3 @ Oct 12 2010, 12:24 AM)
hi... i see iamyuanwu saying about protein rice. Is it something can get from the store?

i mean food section store. It's the first time i come to the protein rice.

Sorry if asking for some real noobie question.
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there are a few protein powders to cater to non-lacto-ovo vegetarians/vegan (they don't eat eggs and dairy which is sad sad.gif)

1. Hemp Protein
2. Gemma Pea Protein
3. Rice Protein - http://www.sunwarrior.com/store/protein-ra...-chocolate.html (I tried a few samples of these, they are really expensive and the protein per scoop ratio is low and they don't mix well and they taste really funny, sort of like Carnivor - beef protein isolate)
4. Soy Protein - sad.gif

seriously stick with dead animal flesh, eggs and whey.

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I tried to take soy protein powder for once (few months), it makes me bloat and the taste wise is not really appealing worse thing is that, the carb contain is high sad.gif
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adams 100% natural peanut butter for a week n finshed 1 jar no problem
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QUOTE(shirley_andy @ Oct 11 2010, 05:38 PM)
Hi guys, anywhere recommended to get 10kg dumbbell? I don't need a pair, one is enough..

Those fitness store selling quite expensive..
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giant,tesco or carrefour
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Oct 11 2010, 08:55 PM)
Hmm, darklight79 takes 30++ daily, I take 10-15 daily, ken86 takes 20++ daily, pedro takes 12 daily and we are still here biggrin.gif
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Just a quick question , those egg with the yolk or not ??

Btw , Is supplements / protein shake any good ?? Or nature protein from eggs / chicken breast better ??

Need tips on to adjust my diet . notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(ken86 @ Oct 12 2010, 09:19 AM)
there are a few protein powders to cater to non-lacto-ovo vegetarians/vegan (they don't eat eggs and dairy which is sad sad.gif)

1. Hemp Protein
2. Gemma Pea Protein
3. Rice Protein - http://www.sunwarrior.com/store/protein-ra...-chocolate.html (I tried a few samples of these, they are really expensive and the protein per scoop ratio is low and they don't mix well and they taste really funny, sort of like Carnivor - beef protein isolate)
4. Soy Protein - sad.gif

seriously stick with dead animal flesh, eggs and whey.
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Hm... icic.... then, don't wanna buy it haha...

Last 2 weeks, there is an exhibition by herballife or nutrilife, i went to measure weight and bf.

Muscle mass 65 kg sad.gif and bf 18.6% and weight 83kg.... sigh...

I already lost roughly 23 kg.. hopefully can reduce bf to 14% soon...


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QUOTE(ghoss @ Oct 12 2010, 10:22 PM)
Just a quick question , those egg with the yolk or not ??

Btw , Is supplements / protein shake any good ?? Or nature protein from eggs / chicken breast better ??

Need tips on to adjust my diet .  notworthy.gif
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Nature's better nutrition-wise

Supplement's better convenience-wise.
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Oct 13 2010, 12:10 PM)
Nature's better nutrition-wise

Supplement's better convenience-wise.
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Any supplements or protein that doesn't cost a bomb ?

My friend told me NEC or something like that costs around 200++ rclxub.gif



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whey are consider cheap now less than RM2 per serving still cost a bomb ka?

p/s: its GNC not NEC
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gnc r expensive...
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30 eggs per day? 30 x 31 dayss = ?!?! is it even advisable to eat that much... i tried to eat 6 a day but scare die LMAO btw... i'm having cracking sound on my joint when doing bench press... any problem with my arms? T.T
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How much coffee do you load up?
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Not much bro, i m using ground coffee, 1 huge table spoon (almost like normal 2 table spoon) and mix it with my creatine :3
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Coffee by itself tastes quite good!

I cut out the sugar in my morning coffee some time back, it takes a while getting used to it. But today, I can't put the sugar back...doesn't taste right for some reason. So coffee alone.

Never mixed coffee and creatine before, might give it a go one day.
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Creatine itself is tasteless and i consume kopi "O" kosong hehe. So it still taste the same. Ohg yeah, i mean using ego's mono creatine, not flavoured.
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I'm using mono as well.
Usually coffee in the morning but I train in the evenings so I guess it's a matter of timing all this while. I used to think creatine is tasteless but I'm picking up a slight bitter taste whenever I mix it.
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correct me if i'm wrong... creatine has to be taken consistently if not will go back to original shape right?
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Creatine itself is tasteless and i consume kopi "O" kosong hehe. So it still taste the same. Ohg yeah, i mean using ego's mono creatine, not flavoured.
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totally carbless crust mmmmm just made a batch for party

2 cups low fat mozzarella cheese, shredded
2 large omega-3 eggs
2 tablespoons flax seed milled
2 tablespoons unflavored whey protein powder or coconut flour (optional) - just for binding and coconut flour is awesome at sucking moisture, I heard it's used to clear the oil spill that happened recently
1/2 teaspoon baking powder

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30 eggs per day? 30 x 31 dayss = ?!?! is it even advisable to eat that much... i tried to eat 6 a day but scare die LMAO btw... i'm having cracking sound on my joint when doing bench press... any problem with my arms? T.T
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Try adding virgin coconut oil. Wicked.
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Never try before, gona mix it for my tmr breakfast XD. Love the coconut scent of coconut oil.
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jz a quick question
went for mass test
was told that i m 3 kg over of my ideal kg
and that my fat level is 23
my body is stil small, except the tummy.
i wan to grow bigger and now bulking
should i cut so to reduce my fat level and ideal weight or ?
any input?

cheers
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QUOTE(de.crystal @ Oct 18 2010, 10:18 AM)
jz a quick question
went for mass test
was told that i m 3 kg over of my ideal kg
and that my fat level is 23
my body is stil small, except the tummy.
i wan to grow bigger and now bulking
should i cut so to reduce my fat level and ideal weight or ?
any input?

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Keep bulking until you like what you see in the mirror,then shed the fat!
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My advice:

Keep bulking until you like what you see in the mirror,then shed the fat!
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how to shed the fat at that time?
my pants and shirts are very tight now
faint
from 68-72kg
stil not big enuf except belly
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how to shed the fat at that time?
my pants and shirts are very tight now
faint
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stil not big enuf except belly
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have you stimulate your muscle correctly?
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have you stimulate your muscle correctly?
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totally carbless crust mmmmm just made a batch for party

2 cups low fat mozzarella cheese, shredded
2 large omega-3 eggs
2 tablespoons flax seed milled
2 tablespoons unflavored whey protein powder or coconut flour (optional) - just for binding and coconut flour is awesome at sucking moisture, I heard it's used to clear the oil spill that happened recently
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
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after workout,
u guys take how many scoop of protein powder after that?

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People are going to freak over that slab of butter tongue.gif

Looks absolutely awesome drool.gif.

Altho I'm more of a broccoli person than peas biggrin.gif

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I took more butter than that slab on the steak tongue.gif

Still ok though XD
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meaning and mind elaborate on that?
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want to ask..
my belly still have fat..
can i still do abs exercise?
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i want 6 abs. XD
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want to ask..
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i want 6 abs. XD
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abs exercises are not only for ppl who already have 6 packs...
the fat mayb obstructing the rhythm, but tat should not b an excuse.
remember tat abs exercise is more towards building abs muscles rather than burning the fat around it.
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i started squatting nt long ago..but evrytime after squatting session,my legs are sore...if i were to follo SL 5x5..then im dun tink i can recover fast enuf for squatting 2 days later...

pls advice...i tink the weight im doing nw is fine(weak legs maybe)..im 65kg.squatting 52.5kg
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abs exercises are not only for ppl who already have 6 packs...
the fat mayb obstructing the rhythm, but tat should not b an excuse.
remember tat abs exercise is more towards building abs muscles rather than burning the fat around it.
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then i need to hit the thredmill till all the fat gone
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u only can see ur 6 abs when u reach low BF percentage.
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yesterday because of pain at upper body, i decided to rest for 1 week

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90kg x 10rep x 1set
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You training routine. how it's look like?
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Mon Wed - weight lifting, biceps chest, back and abs
Tues and thurs - body pump
fri - yoga

how?

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Mon Wed - weight lifting, biceps chest, back and abs
Tues and thurs - body pump
fri - yoga

how?
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Mon Wed - weight lifting, biceps chest, back and abs
Tues and thurs - body pump
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how?
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Mon Wed - weight lifting, biceps chest, back and abs
Tues and thurs - body pump
fri - yoga

how?
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wed chest - bench

fri back - DL plus lotsa rows.
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shocking.gif You said you're bulking
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hello guys, i need some help of how can i build my chest muscle nicely...because currently i do chest workout and the side of my chest is build... but, the inner chest isn't build up..its look like some kind of flat...that was making my chest look wierd....
i'll share for u guys wat workout i'll do for my chest workout, pls give me some great advise to get my chest to be better...

this is my chest workout routine
barbell bench press - 15 reps, 12 reps, 10 reps, 8 reps (will add weight on every sets)
incline barbell press - 15 reps, 12 reps, 10 reps, 8 reps
dumbell fly - 12 reps, 12 reps (8KG) 12 reps, 12 reps (10KG)
machine chest press - 15 reps, 12 reps, 10 reps, 8 reps
machine chest fly - 15 reps, 15 reps, 12 reps, 10 reps
bar dip - 15 reps, 15 reps, 12 reps, 10 reps

hope any senior will give me advise wat should i maintance.....thank you
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hello guys, i need some help of how can i build my chest muscle nicely...because currently i do chest workout and the side of my chest is build... but, the inner chest isn't build up..its look like some kind of flat...that was making my chest look wierd....
i'll share for u guys wat workout i'll do for my chest workout, pls give me some great advise to get my chest to be better...

this is my chest workout routine
barbell bench press - 15 reps, 12 reps, 10 reps, 8 reps (will add weight on every sets)
incline barbell press - 15 reps, 12 reps, 10 reps, 8 reps
dumbell fly - 12 reps, 12 reps (8KG) 12 reps, 12 reps (10KG)
machine chest press - 15 reps, 12 reps, 10 reps, 8 reps
machine chest fly - 15 reps, 15 reps, 12 reps, 10 reps
bar dip - 15 reps, 15 reps, 12 reps, 10 reps

hope any senior will give me advise wat should i maintance.....thank you
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Check your form and technique first.
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wat do u means by it bro??
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For example how do you perform the dumbell fly? Did you lock your elbow?
BTW what do you mean by 'inner chest'?

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For example how do you perform the dumbell fly? Did you lock your elbow?
BTW what do you mean by 'inner chest'?
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the inner chest i means is the circle part in the picture....and also something else....my chest bone isn't balance....like the part where the heart is are some bigger than the others part....is that everybody is also like that or onli me??


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shocking.gif You said you're bulking
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legs only for body pump classessss


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set,rep, poundage?? squat???
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biceps curls (45 pounds, 5 x 5 )
chests (the olypic bar, 7kg, 5x5)
Tues and thurs - body pump ( 5 and 7 kgs)


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he dunwan legs....lotsa ppl dunwan legs...kenot showoff muscle pnye..heheheheh
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hehe wil post up pics soon

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the inner chest i means is the circle part in the picture....and also something else....my chest bone isn't balance....like the part where the heart is are some bigger than the others part....is that everybody is also like that or onli me??
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For that, i perform dumbell pullover.


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QUOTE(de.crystal @ Oct 19 2010, 06:36 PM)
legs only for body pump classessss


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biceps curls (45 pounds, 5 x 5 )
chests (the olypic bar, 7kg, 5x5)
Tues and thurs - body pump ( 5 and 7 kgs)


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my leg isnt bad ler (syiok sendiri first before kena flamming)
hehe wil post up pics soon
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Your biceps curl is 20KG but your bench for chest is 7KG?? you must be joking. shocking.gif
This is why you have pregnant tummy and not getting big. You do not perform bodybuilding routine and yet you consume exccess calories.
Try to do the proper bodybuilding program. choose one in the stickies.
If you wanna do 5X5, pls follow exacly as outline.

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biceps curls (45 pounds, 5 x 5 )
chests (the olypic bar, 7kg, 5x5)
Tues and thurs - body pump ( 5 and 7 kgs)

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You train biceps, but not triceps.
You train chest, but not back.
No shoulders?
You've fallen into the mirror muscle trap.

I don't need to point out the poundages are out.
Your routine needs to be revamped, ASAP.
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legs only for body pump classessss


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biceps curls (45 pounds, 5 x 5 )
chests (the olypic bar, 7kg, 5x5)
Tues and thurs - body pump ( 5 and 7 kgs)


Added on October 19, 2010, 5:38 pm

my leg isnt bad ler (syiok sendiri first before kena flamming)
hehe wil post up pics soon
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blink.gif no anymore compound such as deadlift or squat ?
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QUOTE(arekey @ Oct 19 2010, 05:39 PM)
Your biceps curl is 20KG but your bench for chest is 7KG?? you must be joking. shocking.gif
har? dont understand

QUOTE(arekey @ Oct 19 2010, 05:39 PM)
This is why you have pregnant tummy and not getting big. You do not perform bodybuilding routine and yet you consume exccess calories.
if i have consumed excesive calories how come my tummy is stil big?


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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Oct 19 2010, 06:05 PM)
You train biceps, but not triceps.
You train chest, but not back.
No shoulders?
You've fallen into the mirror muscle trap.
triceps are trainned during body pump
back got, forgot to say

QUOTE(statikinetic @ Oct 19 2010, 06:05 PM)
I don't need to point out the poundages are out.
Your routine needs to be revamped, ASAP.
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out meaning? too light or ..


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got during body pump class
i am afraid that i work out too much and not much rest for the muscle
hence, mon and wed, heavier
tues and thurs, lighter, more on forms and burning calories
fri-relax (yoga)

ALL THE SIFUS, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME, I DONT MIND TO BE FLAMED

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QUOTE(de.crystal @ Oct 19 2010, 07:14 PM)
har? dont understand
if i have consumed excesive calories how come my tummy is stil big?
You do not stimulate your muscle enough to create anabolic. therefore you muscle does't need to grow.
So the excess calories store as fat at your tummy instead being use to build muscle.
i believe you do not work out too much , but you do not perform bodybuilding routine correctly. you must overload your muscle instead stay at your comfort zone.

Did you get the picture? aggree with statikinetic. just choose any bodybuilding programe and perform as outline.

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is it?? pull over can build up inner chest??
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de.crystal:
here's a question:
when you say you did x number of reps, hows the last rep, did you struggle to get it up or was it easy?

dont depend too much on bodypump, its not weightlifting. I know, i've been to the classes. you carry a quarter of your max weights, sometimes not even that, and perform what, 20-30 reps? you wanna shape up, then bite down and LIFT WEIGHTS LIKE THE REST OF US. stickies have some great routines you can follow. Me, i go to bodypump as my cardio, and thats only once a week. TBH, i don't even feel the slightest DOMS effect the day after bodypump classes.

orh, and compounds during bodypump? thats like 25kg squats and deadlifts, its too light. I do squat routines once a week at 70-90kgs x 20 reps in addition to bodypump classes. do more squats/deadlifts and you'll really feel the difference

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QUOTE(skyruler @ Oct 19 2010, 11:45 AM)
i started squatting nt long ago..but evrytime after squatting session,my legs are sore...if i were to follo SL 5x5..then im dun tink i can recover fast enuf for squatting 2 days later...

pls advice...i tink the weight im doing nw is fine(weak legs maybe)..im 65kg.squatting 52.5kg
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try new commercial gym today.. per entry rm5.. so just pay and play

previous gym,
deadlift able to lift 60kg

this new gym,
70kg feel nothing, and try to hit 80kg, then i feel something.. so weird.. bar weight and size almost the same..

but overall nice gym
if only u know it's located at dataran senawang, n.sembilan
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QUOTE(de.crystal @ Oct 19 2010, 06:14 PM)
har? dont understand
if i have consumed excesive calories how come my tummy is stil big?
Excessive calories are stored as fat dude.

i think, if u want to build up mass, chuck ur bodypump away and start to squat and deadlift. There's a reason why u dont c jay cutler and ronnie in bodypump classes.

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There's a reason why u dont c jay cutler and ronnie in bodypump classes.
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hey guys,

wan to ask which flavor glucolin do u guys use?

i bought the grape 1 comes with vitamin C, but the original ones come with vitamin D,E. so should i go change to the original flavor?

or is it grape 1 will just do the same job for creatine.
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bodypumps? its hardly weights training. more to cardio and circuit yes. you like it or not if you want to put on weights, legs day is a must. Legs are HALF of your body no? heheh

QUOTE(snowberry @ Oct 19 2010, 11:22 PM)
hey guys,

wan to ask which flavor glucolin do u guys use?

i bought the grape 1 comes with vitamin C, but the original ones come with vitamin D,E. so should i go change to the original flavor?

or is it grape 1 will just do the same job for creatine.
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you referring to glucose or creatine la?>

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thanks for all the sifus advise
yeah wil do more squats and deadlift
as mentioned, doing body pump as cardio and to improve on forms...

wil impro on my sch again
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QUOTE(bata @ Oct 19 2010, 11:45 PM)
you referring to glucose or creatine la?>

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i referring to glucolin that help creatine do the insulin spike.




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ai yak ai yak, sorry,

i referring to glucolin that help creatine do the insulin spike.
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guys, need advise on where to get creatine mono that is the best bang for your buck? checked the online sellers like most not selling..
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guys, need advise on where to get creatine mono that is the best bang for your buck? checked the online sellers like most not selling..
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Universal Nutrition Creatine, 500grm for 100 serving RM72 at egonutritions


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wow
thanks for all the sifus advise
yeah wil do more squats and deadlift
as mentioned, doing body pump as cardio and to improve on forms...

wil impro on my sch again
thanks
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Here the example how you can improve. Since you like 5X5

Example of how a 5x5 deadlift workout should be handled if you fail to reach 5 reps on one of the first 4 sets:

* Set 1 - 315 x 5. Rep goal achieved. Move on to the next set.
* Set 2 - 315 x 5. Rep goal achieved. Move on to the next set.
* Set 3 - 315 x 4. This is 1 rep below your goal. Drop the weight by 10 pounds for your next set.
* Set 4 - 305 x 4. This is 1 rep below your goal. Drop the weight by 10 pounds for your next set.
* Set 5 - 295 x 6. You exceeded your rep goal of 5. The next time you deadlift, start with 300 pounds.

Just a reminder that you must try to exceed 5 reps on your last set, even if you fail to achieve 5 reps on any earlier sets.


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want to ask any recommended seller that sells UN or ultimate nutrition creatine?

i cant seem to find a seller tat sells tat brand of creatine in lyn
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QUOTE(arekey @ Oct 20 2010, 10:28 AM)
Universal Nutrition Creatine, 500grm for 100 serving RM72 at egonutritions


Added on October 20, 2010, 10:42 am
Here the example how you can improve. Since you like 5X5

Example of how a 5x5 deadlift workout should be handled if you fail to reach 5 reps on one of the first 4 sets:

    * Set 1 - 315 x 5. Rep goal achieved. Move on to the next set.
    * Set 2 - 315 x 5. Rep goal achieved. Move on to the next set.
    * Set 3 - 315 x 4. This is 1 rep below your goal. Drop the weight by 10 pounds for your next set.
    * Set 4 - 305 x 4. This is 1 rep below your goal. Drop the weight by 10 pounds for your next set.
    * Set 5 - 295 x 6. You exceeded your rep goal of 5. The next time you deadlift, start with 300 pounds.

Just a reminder that you must try to exceed 5 reps on your last set, even if you fail to achieve 5 reps on any earlier sets.
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Going by previous posts, if he takes the example literally and loads 300 pounds on the barbell one the first try....
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guys, need advise on where to get creatine mono that is the best bang for your buck? checked the online sellers like most not selling..
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Egonutrition's own creatine is pretty good for value. RM69 for 500g and RM111 for 1kg.
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QUOTE(-Dan @ Oct 20 2010, 06:52 PM)
Egonutrition's own creatine is pretty good for value. RM69 for 500g and RM111 for 1kg.
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this is the cheapest creatine you're going to find anywhere.
It even beats the online dealer stocks, pretty good for a retail store product.
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QUOTE(-Dan @ Oct 20 2010, 06:52 PM)
Egonutrition's own creatine is pretty good for value. RM69 for 500g and RM111 for 1kg.
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+1
this is the cheapest creatine you're going to find anywhere.
It even beats the online dealer stocks, pretty good for a retail store product.
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i tried calling them and chking the website, they always dun have ego creatine 1kg.

yea i agree the 1kg ones is dam cheap but out of stock ._.

the RM69 ones, not tat cheap if buy 2 bottle already almost RM140 sad ......

btw anyone here have extra ego creatine 1kg for sale? XD
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Hi berry, i think u can get other brand creatine with 20-30buck extra from tat price(sometimes cheaper). Better than waiting new stok. XD

Side topic..
Any scivation customer thr, issit normal if the ants happened to like scivation whey?
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QUOTE(xSinner @ Oct 21 2010, 01:08 PM)
Hi berry, i think u can get other brand creatine with 20-30buck extra from tat price(sometimes cheaper). Better than waiting new stok. XD

Side topic..
Any scivation customer thr, issit normal if the ants happened to like scivation whey?
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i tried looking around, none of them is cheaper than the 1kg ego creatine.

u wana suggest 1 to me?
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Sry i mean pay extra 20-30 bucks xD
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QUOTE(xSinner @ Oct 21 2010, 01:08 PM)
Hi berry, i think u can get other brand creatine with 20-30buck extra from tat price(sometimes cheaper). Better than waiting new stok. XD

Side topic..
Any scivation customer thr, issit normal if the ants happened to like scivation whey?
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Maybe ur powder kena water? the new batch of scivation they say is sweeter than the older batch...i never tried the new one yet coz my old one havent finish lmao
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Maybe ur powder kena water? the new batch of scivation they say is sweeter than the older batch...i never tried the new one yet coz my old one havent finish lmao
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Oh.. I didnt know if kena water will attract them. I just feel weird coz i thought ants only attracted to sugar (beside attracted to their own opposite sex)
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Oh.. I didnt know if kena water will attract them. I just feel weird coz i thought ants only attracted to sugar (beside attracted to their own opposite sex)
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Dude, it's protein! Ants love 'em! In fact, all insects and animal love em. There was one occasion, my friend's dog tried to bite through the thick plastic bag to get my ON whey.

Leave it around in the open and watch it turn into a feeding ground for all kinds of living creatures. Only humans are too stupid to say protein powder destroy kidney lah, make ppl fat lah, it's steroid lah, makes the muscle looks weird lah, etc...
LOL!
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i just get my medical checkup report.i wonder which one is body fat percentage.
fall under lipids category?
total cholesterol?
triglyceride?
HDL cholesterol?
LDL cholesterol?
Total cholesterol/HDL ratio?
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QUOTE(Superkian @ Oct 23 2010, 09:54 PM)
i just get my medical checkup report.i wonder which one is body fat percentage.
fall under lipids category?
total cholesterol?
triglyceride?
HDL cholesterol?
LDL cholesterol?
Total cholesterol/HDL ratio?
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None of those are your body fat %. They show how much of the said substances are in your blood, IINM.
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Oct 23 2010, 03:52 PM)
Dude, it's protein! Ants love 'em! In fact, all insects and animal love em. There was one occasion, my friend's dog tried to bite through the thick plastic bag to get my ON whey.

Leave it around in the open and watch it turn into a feeding ground for all kinds of living creatures. Only humans are too stupid to say protein powder destroy kidney lah, make ppl fat lah, it's steroid lah, makes the muscle looks weird lah, etc...
LOL!
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yup, i have to agree with you. Did you kill your friend's dog? Nah, just joking biggrin.gif
i don't know how people came up with the idea that whey is related to hormones/steroid.


QUOTE(Superkian @ Oct 23 2010, 09:54 PM)
i just get my medical checkup report.i wonder which one is body fat percentage.
fall under lipids category?
total cholesterol?
triglyceride?
HDL cholesterol?
LDL cholesterol?
Total cholesterol/HDL ratio?
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Hi, i think those are blood test report of your lipid level in blood which is not your body fat percentage.

Thanks to google, found these articles that might give you some idea.

Give yourself a read for a hint how to measure body fat.
Calipers - Are they effective for measuring body-fat

Try this simple method to calculate body fat percentage. All you need is calculator.
How to Calculate Your Body-Fat Percentage
I don't know how accurate it is. But I got 21% result which is quite true (pretty chubby sweat.gif )
Go give it a try.

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QUOTE(-Dan @ Oct 23 2010, 10:52 PM)
None of those are your body fat %. They show how much of the said substances are in your blood, IINM.
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i see.ok,thanks

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yup, i have to agree with you. Did you kill your friend's dog? Nah, just joking  biggrin.gif
i don't know how people came up with the idea that whey is related to hormones/steroid.
Hi, i think those are blood test report of your lipid level in blood which is not your body fat percentage.

Thanks to google, found these articles that might give you some idea.

Give yourself a read for a hint how to measure body fat.
Calipers - Are they effective for measuring body-fat

Try this simple method to calculate body fat percentage. All you need is calculator.
How to Calculate Your Body-Fat Percentage
I don't know how accurate it is. But I got 21% result which is quite true (pretty chubby  sweat.gif )
Go give it a try.
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well, based on the calculation, my body fat is 16%.how much % is consider lean?lol
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i see.ok,thanks
well, based on the calculation, my body fat is 16%.how much % is consider lean?lol
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No idea. I guess take the result from step 2 multiply by 100 and then divide by your total bodyweight.
Never thought of finding body lean percentage.

But here is one calculator to find body lean mass.
Calculate your Lean body mass
which takes you back to your result on that step 2. pretty much the same.
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Will be doing me Legs tomorrow and I watched this video for some inspiration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QlSWUqsfb0

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't care if you have the best upper body, if you're legs are like chopsticks, you ain't squat (I pun, get it?).

EDIT: I can't seem to get the video to appear. Darn that white box thingy.

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OMG IMBA legs
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Thanks, Pedro! You're a champion.

I did stiff legged deadlifts today and now I feel stiff.

What a pump!
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stiff dead lift, is it same with romanian deadlift?
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QUOTE(Max_07s @ Oct 28 2010, 05:12 PM)
stiff dead lift, is it same with romanian deadlift?
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romanian deadlift more to the glutes and hamstring

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stiff dead lift, is it same with romanian deadlift?
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u mean stiff-legged deadlift?
if so, yeah they are essentially the same thing... but with minor differences. SLDL is straight at the knees completely, all locked out, whereas the romanian has a slight bend in the knee. both are great ham/glute workouts.

*some variants of SLDLs take the bar so low until the lower back is rounded - absolutely not recommended for beginner lifters or for heavy poundages!
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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Oct 29 2010, 12:09 AM)
u mean stiff-legged deadlift?
if so, yeah they are essentially the same thing... but with minor differences. SLDL is straight at the knees completely, all locked out, whereas the romanian has a slight bend in the knee. both are great ham/glute workouts.

*some variants of SLDLs take the bar so low until the lower back is rounded - absolutely not recommended for beginner lifters or for heavy poundages!
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Definitely not a beginner's exercise as they'll tend to use their back to compensate the weight. It took me a while before the burn in my hammies were felt. The other great thing is that you don't need a tonne of weight on the bar. It's all about form and feeling the burn.

You know you've done good when walking down a flight of stairs takes you 10 minutes. tongue.gif
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Just a question.

How come we're not allowed to have discussion on gears?

wouldn't hindrance promote more ignorance?

I mean let's get fair about it, we discuss training, diet and nutritions in a professional level and yet we're not touching a strand on the 'love potion' most professional can't stay away from as if it's a taboo. it was back in the days. but ppl are being more open about it nowadays.

didn't mean to open my big mouth on touchy subject, but i'm sorry if i did.

Cheers.

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QUOTE(moe81 @ Oct 29 2010, 05:43 PM)
Just a question.

How come we're not allowed to have discussion on gears?

wouldn't hindrance promote more ignorance?

I mean let's get fair about it, we discuss training, diet and nutritions in a professional level and yet we're not touching a strand on the 'love potion' most professional can't stay away from as if it's a taboo. it was back in the days. but ppl are being more open about it nowadays.

didn't mean to open my big mouth on touchy subject, but i'm sorry if i did.

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I think it all comes down to the legal nature of the substance/supplement. Its always an interesting subject when it comes to ergogenic aids, however this forum doesn't entirely consist of "mature" people who are willing to take things with a pinch of salt. You have high school students who read this forum, and if we start talking about non-legal substances, who knows what these jokers might do, haha.

Its not illegal when everyone is doing it...really... cool2.gif
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QUOTE(shanecross @ Oct 29 2010, 04:35 PM)
I think it all comes down to the legal nature of the substance/supplement. Its always an interesting subject when it comes to ergogenic aids, however this forum doesn't entirely consist of "mature" people who are willing to take things with a pinch of salt. You have high school students who read this forum, and if we start talking about non-legal substances, who knows what these jokers might do, haha.

Its not illegal when everyone is doing it...really... cool2.gif
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Bro,

thanks for the reply. would just like to clear it out that i don't have anything personnel against you.(just in case, if u decide to throw in personnel flamming) tongue.gif

but just for an argument sakes, please dun tell me there are no other illegal stuff being discussed in other thread of this forums. i can easily direct you to one. we discuss about keeping protected wild animal as pets in the 'pets wonderland' section. brows.gif

how would you classify that then? non-illegal. rclxub.gif

Kids don't really need to read it in forum to start doin stuff. forum provides a more learning base, for eg. ukmuscle.com.
when someones decides to juice, they'll do it regardless. but with discussions about it being available, they'd get more insights in it then blindly diving in(like most in malaysia does anyway) doh.gif

Peace.
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QUOTE(moe81 @ Oct 29 2010, 08:55 PM)
Bro,

thanks for the reply. would just like to clear it out that i don't have anything personnel against you.(just in case, if u decide to throw in personnel flamming) tongue.gif

but just for an argument sakes, please dun tell me there are no other illegal stuff being discussed in other thread of this forums. i can easily direct you to one. we discuss about keeping protected wild animal as pets in the 'pets wonderland' section. brows.gif

how would you classify that then? non-illegal.  rclxub.gif

Kids don't really need to read it in forum to start doin stuff. forum provides a more learning base, for eg. ukmuscle.com.
when someones decides to juice, they'll do it regardless. but with discussions about it being available, they'd get more insights in it then blindly diving in(like most in malaysia does anyway) doh.gif

Peace.
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True,

Well, I'm saying based on experience. We had a couple of threads that were on Anabolic Steroids but unfortunately they got shut down. It would be a great thing to have a thread that remains "Unclosed". It would be a great topic of discussion to begin with. I personally think that to take anabolic steroids is a big decision which requires a substantial amount of knowledge eg; post cycle, types of steroids etc etc.

I'm keen to see/read/discuss the topic.

I always like to regard the responsible use of anabolic steroids as "Legal". Put it this way, we deteriorate over-time, just a thought to consider....Why not legalize a certain amount of steroids for people >30-35years of age or maybe older just to maintain skeletal mass. We are prone to lose muscle mass as we age, so yeah, why not? hahha. I would legalize them if I were to be the next president.


Safe lifting man.
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tried stiff dead lift yesterday, only lift 50 pounds. its hard to breath after that. ahahhaah. really good workout. i can feel my harmstring ache.
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Till today, I'm not quite sure why it's good for aging women to take substances such as GH and Test, to de-accelerate the aging, but totally wrong for athletes who want to improve performance.

People want to see improved performance. Once the human's genetic limit has been hammered, and the only way to improve is via substances, we have to take that path. Stupid general masses.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Oct 30 2010, 11:27 AM)
Till today, I'm not quite sure why it's good for aging women to take substances such as GH and Test, to de-accelerate the aging, but totally wrong for athletes who want to improve performance.

People want to see improved performance. Once the human's genetic limit has been hammered, and the only way to improve is via substances, we have to take that path. Stupid general masses.
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I guess its because people bet on athletes more than they bet on the good looks of the average person smile.gif

They want an 'even' playing field, but wont accept if everyone does it as well(which is the case with pro bodybuilding for example).
Society and their puny mindsets shakehead.gif


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That's what T-Nation is for!  That and telling people that they are tiny, no matter how big they actually are.
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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Oct 29 2010, 12:09 AM)
u mean stiff-legged deadlift?
if so, yeah they are essentially the same thing... but with minor differences. SLDL is straight at the knees completely, all locked out, whereas the romanian has a slight bend in the knee. both are great ham/glute workouts.

*some variants of SLDLs take the bar so low until the lower back is rounded - absolutely not recommended for beginner lifters or for heavy poundages!
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slight pet peeve, but SLDL is a misnomer. They are different in that Romanian does not end up being a dead weight and SLDL has deads in between reps. Slight bend on the knee towards the end to save your back. All a matter of flexibility really. Doesn't matter what you call it, do what you're comfortable with. Difference between regular DL and SLDL is just the angle of the knees, but SLDL is not truly locked knees.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112127931

If you can't touch your forehead to your knee with your leg straight, I think it's one of the exercises to avoid.

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guys need to ask, whenever i jog outside, i feel pain around the shin, tat kinda limits me to cardio twice a week. n i also feel my cardio isn't intense enough due to the pain. even if i rest for a week, the pain is still there. any remedy?
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guys need to ask, whenever i jog outside, i feel pain around the shin, tat kinda limits me to cardio twice a week. n i also feel my cardio isn't intense enough due to the pain. even if i rest for a week, the pain is still there. any remedy?
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Get it checked up. If it's a real injury, you don't want to keep aggravating it.
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guys need to ask, whenever i jog outside, i feel pain around the shin, tat kinda limits me to cardio twice a week. n i also feel my cardio isn't intense enough due to the pain. even if i rest for a week, the pain is still there. any remedy?
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You do realize that if you've got decent muscular development, high impact activities like jogging will wreck havoc on your joints right? And if you persist in continuing you'll need customized running shoes. Which is why the bicycle and the threadmill is the tool of choice in cardio for most bodybuilders.
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Im 15 years old , 174cm tall , 52 kg ( yes i noe im underweight ) . What exercises should i do ?
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Im 15 years old , 174cm tall , 52 kg ( yes i noe im underweight ) . What exercises should i do ?
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Kindly do some research first. (Even if you don't want, at least state your goals etc etc, how should someone advice you when they don't know what your goals are) Take the initiative to Google, and find out more about exercises/workout plans/diet/tips yourself.

Folks around here don't appreciate someone waiting to be spoon fed.

If you really don't know where to start, try reading some of the stuff here http://www.scoobysworkshop.com/ or http://bodybuilding.com/ or the stickies in the Bodybuilding and Strength Training page. A lot of helpful information there.


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QUOTE(IrNoob95 @ Nov 1 2010, 01:41 AM)
Im 15 years old , 174cm tall , 52 kg ( yes i noe im underweight ) . What exercises should i do ?
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Exercise no.1 - Eat more
Exercise no.2 - Weight lifting
Exercise no.3 - Eat more
Exercise no.4 - Eat more
Exercise no.5 - Rest
Exercise no.6 - Repeat

Hehe.. of course it is not that simple. But i think that is the basic. icon_rolleyes.gif
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I watch the scooby's video , the thing i dont understand is do i do it everyday , or maybe like monday , wednesday , friday . And wad do i do with my underweight issue ?
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QUOTE(IrNoob95 @ Nov 2 2010, 01:22 AM)
I watch the scooby's video , the thing i dont understand is do i do it everyday , or maybe like monday , wednesday , friday . And wad do i do with my underweight issue ?
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When you lift weight, you are working with your muscles and as time goes, muscle grows, however for muscle to grow, you need to eat a lot of nutritious food especially protein.

As your muscle grows, your weight increase isn't it?

There are so many many workout that you can do, of course you need to ask yourself how much time are you going to spend per week for training. Then plan your workout according to the day you are willing to fork out.

Things you need to know: (i'm quoting what i replied earlier in other thread - feel free to correct me if i am wrong)

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2. Sleep is very important as it is part of the recovery or muscle building process. Have at least 8 hours of sleep daily.

3. Diet is the most important in bodybuilding. To build muscle, diet plays an important role and it is 60-70% of building the muscles while 30-40% is the effort in gym.

4. Beginner is always advised to practice on correct form and fundamental strength first before really trying on heavy weights. Do not let your ego kills you trying out those heavy weight which you cannot handle.



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Avoid noodles ? Eat more rice ? More protein stuff ?
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Avoid noodles ? Eat more rice ? More protein stuff ?
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Avoid Carbs = Rice

Eat more veggie + protien , healthy chickens / fish.

Cut out sugar.
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Here, let's have a lil bio lesson.

1. Gluten is bad. What is gluten? Wheat, rye, barley, a stupid load of processed food such as McDonalds turd.

2. Why's gluten bad? Well besides destroying your gut health, producing a huge load of bad bacteria in your tummy, it's been linked to autism among children and one which I really DON'T like at all, it kills the brains. How?

3. There are people who are sensitive to gluten, there are those who aren't. Asians, generally a little more tolerant to gluten but still not a good idea. There is smtg called "excitotoxins" in gluten. In our bodies, it produces that as well, but because it goes up and down within miliseconds, it's not harmful to our brains. However, thanks to excitotoxins in gluten, it continues to rise and doesn't fall, thus killing our brain cells.

Here's a simplified version on the dangers.

Yes, we may be more tolerant to gluten, but no I rather not take the risk. Mind you, gluten is present in almost every single bloody processed food out there, including your coke, your candy bar, your CEREAL (By far the biggest health lie ever), your "dai zhao", your "siu yok", your MSG laden soup, your cookies. That's why I'm a huge proponent of natural foods such as meats, veggies, fruits and on-top of those foods, take more vitamins and minerals from HIGH quality supplements.

Tat-tara-ta-ta-raaaa~!!! Still wanna eat roti canai?

N don't listen to Scooby on youtube. That guy's as smart as a doorknob.

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pizzaboy , what do u suggest to replace rice ?

i mean , to avoid hunger(nasi can eat full full, plain meat/vege will cause hunger sooner )... is spaghetti good enough ? biggrin.gif

cuz i normally eat eggs , veges n meat in the goreng/cooked with oil in wok for lunch/dinner... but yet still contains proteins/sodium/etc etc nutrient.. rite..?



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pizzaboy , what do u suggest to replace rice ?

i mean , to avoid hunger(nasi can eat full full, plain meat/vege will cause hunger sooner )... is spaghetti good enough ? biggrin.gif

cuz i normally eat eggs , veges n meat in the goreng/cooked with oil in wok for lunch/dinner... but yet still contains proteins/sodium/etc etc nutrient.. rite..?
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i replace rice with oats, fruits or veges.

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QUOTE(chewinggum @ Nov 3 2010, 09:55 AM)
pizzaboy , what do u suggest to replace rice ?

i mean , to avoid hunger(nasi can eat full full, plain meat/vege will cause hunger sooner )... is spaghetti good enough ? biggrin.gif

cuz i normally eat eggs , veges n meat in the goreng/cooked with oil in wok for lunch/dinner... but yet still contains proteins/sodium/etc etc nutrient.. rite..?
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I didn't say rice has gluten.

My friend said this a couple days back. "I cook to eat, not cook to be a culinary master". What this means is, if you're going to cook, just cook it with the simplest ingredients possible if you don't wanna step on the toxins that a ton of sauces have. I'm not gonna help you here, but a quick google will reveal what foods have gluten. Go wikipedia and search gluten to have a better understanding on what the devil's gluten.

Another lifestyle eating that's the rave right now, is the whole natural food diet thing. It's as simple as this, if the cavemen ate it, you can eat it. If the cavemen didn't eat it, you can't eat it. Did the cavemen eat chocolates, meggi goreng, nasi lemak (possible.....) or cereals and those retarded powerbars? Nope. Those fellows weren't available. It's pretty easy. If you see, food conditioner, emulsifier, thickener, shorteners, weird stuff that if Uncle Cavemen Ungah Ungah Dance Around Fire At Night, would look and ask himself "Erh...this not from mai jungle no?" don't eat it.

NOW, this comes with a few "clauses" I suppose. Because the quality of food we have right now, is much lower than what the cavemen had, we either need to choose to eat 100% organic, grass fed, nature raised animals, or we supplement the lack of quality in the common meats and veggies we have today, with supplements. Either way, it ain't cheap. Nope, not cheap at all.


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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Nov 3 2010, 09:33 AM)
Here, let's have a lil bio lesson.

1. Gluten is bad. What is gluten? Wheat, rye, barley, a stupid load of processed food such as McDonalds turd.

2. Why's gluten bad? Well besides destroying your gut health, producing a huge load of bad bacteria in your tummy, it's been linked to autism among children and one which I really DON'T like at all, it kills the brains. How?

3. There are people who are sensitive to gluten, there are those who aren't. Asians, generally a little more tolerant to gluten but still not a good idea. There is smtg called "excitotoxins" in gluten. In our bodies, it produces that as well, but because it goes up and down within miliseconds, it's not harmful to our brains. However, thanks to excitotoxins in gluten, it continues to rise and doesn't fall, thus killing our brain cells.

Here's a simplified version on the dangers.

Yes, we may be more tolerant to gluten, but no I rather not take the risk. Mind you, gluten is present in almost every single bloody processed food out there, including your coke, your candy bar, your CEREAL (By far the biggest health lie ever), your "dai zhao", your "siu yok", your MSG laden soup, your cookies. That's why I'm a huge proponent of natural foods such as meats, veggies, fruits and on-top of those foods, take more vitamins and minerals from HIGH quality supplements.

Tat-tara-ta-ta-raaaa~!!! Still wanna eat roti canai?

N don't listen to Scooby on youtube. That guy's as smart as a doorknob.
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Good advice here,thanks smile.gif

Btw,you said not to listen to Scooby?I am following his Teen Workouts,I wonder if that's ok? Teen WorkoutHe just tells u to do some pushups,dumbbell flys,press,pullups,dumbbells rows,all that stuff..all good thing I should be doing if I want to build muscle?

And yes,I am eating properly,so I think no problem on that,just wanna know if what I'm doing with my dumbbells is enough.. smile.gif
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Some questions here, suddenly this question just strike my head,

Why is nasi lemak unhealthy beside it is white rice ?

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Some questions here, suddenly this question just strike my head,

Why is nasi lemak unhealthy beside it is white rice ?
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think the sambal does more damage than the rice...
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think the sambal does more damage than the rice...
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true enuf with the sugar and oil they use inside and the fried anchovies probably. Seems like if nasi lemak(using brown rice) + curry chicken, seems healthy thou (ofcoz the curry u cook urself)
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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Nov 3 2010, 11:30 AM)
Good advice here,thanks  smile.gif

Btw,you said not to listen to Scooby?I am following his Teen Workouts,I wonder if that's ok? Teen WorkoutHe just tells u to do some pushups,dumbbell flys,press,pullups,dumbbells rows,all that stuff..all good thing I should be doing if I want to build muscle?

And yes,I am eating properly,so I think no problem on that,just wanna know if what I'm doing with my dumbbells is enough..  smile.gif
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The bulk of the things he teaches is nonsense. Egg yolks suck! Throw them out. Try synthesizing egg whites without the yolks. The yolk provide the fat that is an ....whats the bloody term, accelerator? Whatever, it helps to digest the white. Also, raw egg whites on it's own is believed to be an anti-nutrient. I THINK it's called tripsin inhibitors, which destroys protein so DON'T eat them raw, bozo! Another product that has tripsin inhibitors? Soy. It's odd, because it supplies protein, but at the same time destroys amino acids. I never quite figured out why the hell it'd be like that. The fat from the yolks however, stabilizes this and enables our body to use the egg protein effectively.

Not ALL the things he says is crap, but would you listen to a half naked guy which half the screen focused on his saggy tits, talking on youtube? I wouldn't.

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Some questions here, suddenly this question just strike my head,

Why is nasi lemak unhealthy beside it is white rice ?
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Because our government has made us believe that fat is bad for us. So coconut fat is saturated fat, which makes it ZOMG WORSE! How stoopid.
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QUOTE(jamis @ Nov 3 2010, 01:35 PM)
true enuf with the sugar and oil they use inside and the fried anchovies probably. Seems like if nasi lemak(using brown rice) + curry chicken, seems healthy thou (ofcoz the curry u cook urself)
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i dun mind tat, plus probably 5 eggs, yummy biggrin.gif
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Because our government has made us believe that fat is bad for us. So coconut fat is saturated fat, which makes it ZOMG WORSE! How stoopid.
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i dun mind tat, plus probably 5 eggs, yummy  biggrin.gif
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Yeah, the logic always end up with -- nasi lemak gona give u lots of lemak. DAYUM! and giving ppl fake guilt XD

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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Nov 3 2010, 02:48 PM)
The bulk of the things he teaches is nonsense. Egg yolks suck! Throw them out. Try synthesizing egg whites without the yolks. The yolk provide the fat that is an ....whats the bloody term, accelerator? Whatever, it helps to digest the white. Also, raw egg whites on it's own is believed to be an anti-nutrient. I THINK it's called tripsin inhibitors, which destroys protein so DON'T eat them raw, bozo! Another product that has tripsin inhibitors? Soy. It's odd, because it supplies protein, but at the same time destroys amino acids. I never quite figured out why the hell it'd be like that. The fat from the yolks however, stabilizes this and enables our body to use the egg protein effectively.

Not ALL the things he says is crap, but would you listen to a half naked guy which half the screen focused on his saggy tits, talking on youtube? I wouldn't.
Because our government has made us believe that fat is bad for us. So coconut fat is saturated fat, which makes it ZOMG WORSE! How stoopid.
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LMAO,but he's the first guy I found on the internet that gives fitness advices..perhaps you got any better ones to recommend me? smile.gif But,I don't listen to him talking about nutrients and stuff,I just watch how he do his dumbbells exercises.

Wait,you sound like a fitness instructor too. You are one,aren't you? biggrin.gif



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I like your summary on Scooby,got too many friends who swear by his videos.
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Yea,see his forum and Youtube comments,quite popular isn't he? hmm.gif

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LMAO,but he's the first guy I found on the internet that gives fitness advices..perhaps you got any better ones to recommend me?  smile.gif But,I don't listen to him talking about nutrients and stuff,I just watch how he do his dumbbells exercises.

Wait,you sound like a fitness instructor too. You are one,aren't you?  biggrin.gif
Yea,see his forum and Youtube comments,quite popular isn't he?  hmm.gif
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Yes I coach. I don't know if you'd call me a fitness instructor because I'm as fit as a cheese broccoli when it comes to running distances, but I'll lift heavy weights, climb trees and slopes and jump on boxes all day and not complain. I don't preach what I can't practice and I can't run to save my own mother's life so I'm unfit in that sense.

There are many trainers who are so much better than him. One I particularly like on nutrition, is Dr.John Berardi. Excellent, excellent work. Poliquin's one of my favorites, though sometimes I think that guy's got a little too much testosterone jacked into his brain. Paul Chek's retarded in his own way, but once you can look past his retarded sciencey words, you'll find there are some gems in there. I learned tonnes from my coach and other coaches from Russia, Georgia and China but those are undocumented. It's in my head though. Come scrape it out.

Basically, it takes a retard not to be able to use a dumbbell. Once you've gotten over your ego, your need for attention, and start paying attention to focused, controlled form, with full range of motion, you're on to achieving some benefits already. Once again, not all his stuff is "siao" but I would just skip it. I know it's easier to learn when you're a blank piece of paper, but don't learn the wrong stuff. Learn from the better teachers.


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Yeah, the logic always end up with -- nasi lemak gona give u lots of lemak. DAYUM! and giving ppl fake guilt XD
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From eat fat, get fat logic, anemics should be drinking blood.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Nov 3 2010, 04:44 PM)
Yes I coach. I don't know if you'd call me a fitness instructor because I'm as fit as a cheese broccoli when it comes to running distances, but I'll lift heavy weights, climb trees and slopes and jump on boxes all day and not complain. I don't preach what I can't practice and I can't run to save my own mother's life so I'm unfit in that sense.

There are many trainers who are so much better than him. One I particularly like on nutrition, is Dr.John Berardi. Excellent, excellent work. Poliquin's one of my favorites, though sometimes I think that guy's got a little too much testosterone jacked into his brain. Paul Chek's retarded in his own way, but once you can look past his retarded sciencey words, you'll find there are some gems in there. I learned tonnes from my coach and other coaches from Russia, Georgia and China but those are undocumented. It's in my head though. Come scrape it out.

Basically, it takes a retard not to be able to use a dumbbell. Once you've gotten over your ego, your need for attention, and start paying attention to focused, controlled form, with full range of motion, you're on to achieving some benefits already. Once again, not all his stuff is "siao" but I would just skip it. I know it's easier to learn when you're a blank piece of paper, but don't learn the wrong stuff. Learn from the better teachers.
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Oh,I see,but they teaches more advanced stuff,right?Just want someone on the internet that teaches basic stuff,that was why Scooby appealed to me at first because I only watch his teen workouts,where he showed all the dumbbell movements..

And lol,I dun do my dumbbells in a gym though,I do it at home,alone,no one that can see me,so I dun care about whether ppl looking or not tongue.gif And what I wanted was to see whether I was doing the dumbbell stuff correctly and also to learn new styles,no fitness instructor to guide me you see

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Currently i working at Subway part time ( cause im still a student ) , eating thier sandwich daily a good thing or bad thing ?
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Minus the sauces + more cheese + more veggies = a good thing
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Subway policy doesn't allow me to add cheese even if i pay for it . But i will minus the sauce smile.gif
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ques here... can supersets be done on a regular basis? or izzit done once in a while to give ur muscle a shock?

juz pass my 12th week of training, thinking of changing routines abit..
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start paying attention to focused, controlled form, with full range of motion,
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FOCUSED CONTROLLED proper FORM!!!
i have seen many ppl using their body swing movement to move the weights through the movement.

it's not abt the machines in the gym, but sometimes the simplest things like dumbbells and barbells works magic...

dun bother if u r lifting lighter than some guyz, every1 is different in terms of strength or goals.
as long as u r focused and working towards it, it's all good
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FOCUSED CONTROLLED proper FORM!!!
i have seen many ppl using their body swing movement to move the weights through the movement.

it's not abt the machines in the gym, but sometimes the simplest things like dumbbells and barbells works magic...

dun bother if u r lifting lighter than some guyz, every1 is different in terms of strength or goals.
as long as u r focused and working towards it, it's all good
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I am a strong advocate of using proper form, in a controlled way. I hate it when slightly bigger guys with sleeveless tees throw the weights around like they're friggin' Jay Cutler. Anyone can lift heavy, but not everyone can lift it right.

Again, it's NEVER about how heavy the weight is, it's all about doing it right.

On a side note, t-bars FTW.

On another side note, nasi lemak for pre-workout is no good. Something about the chilli burning your arse after you've silently farted and when you exert yourself doing deadlifts. Really, it's no good.
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On another side note, nasi lemak for pre-workout is no good. Something about the chilli burning your arse after you've silently farted and when you exert yourself doing deadlifts. Really, it's no good.
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QUOTE(mcbarney666 @ Nov 4 2010, 11:48 AM)
I am a strong advocate of using proper form, in a controlled way. I hate it when slightly bigger guys with sleeveless tees throw the weights around like they're friggin' Jay Cutler. Anyone can lift heavy, but not everyone can lift it right.

Again, it's NEVER about how heavy the weight is, it's all about doing it right.

On a side note, t-bars FTW.

On another side note, nasi lemak for pre-workout is no good. Something about the chilli burning your arse after you've silently farted and when you exert yourself doing deadlifts. Really, it's no good.
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HI guys..

I can 'see' many people they train arm on one day which include bicep tricep and forearm.

Currently, I spread arm training into 2 days. One day for bicep one day for tricep.

I try to finish whole arm session (bicep & tricep, I dun train forearm) in one hour but if begin with bicep, is there any energy left for tricep? of course, stil can lift but light weight plus low rep.

Usually, i warm up by stretching around then follow up by pull-ups and dip.

pull up - 12,10,8,6
dip - 15,15,12,10 (if gt energy, one more for 8 reps)

So, what i do for bicep is as below

barbell curl (without the bar weight, 4 set)
20kg x 8 reps
10kg x 10 reps
0 kg x 12 reps

curl bar (without the bar weight, 4 set)
20kg x 8 reps
10kg x 10 reps
0 kg x 12 reps

dumbell curl (4 set)
25lbs x 8 reps
20lbs x 10 reps
15lbs x 12 reps

one arm hammer curl ( sit on bench )
15 lbs x 15 reps, 4 set

bicep cable lateral ( I don't know what it name, i just google it)
i do not know what is the weight for every piece of the place.

1 piece x 15 reps (2 set)
free weight x 30 reps (3-4 set)

usually, after doing all these, I'll work on abs and continue on treadmill for 10minutes

As soon as i finish all these work out, it already took me an hour and 10 minutes sometime. So whole gym session usually is an hour and half.

Can someone guide on this?? I do not know wheather what am i doing right or wrong. Currently in office, tricep workout shall post later.

Kindly assist.

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Added on November 4, 2010, 3:36 pmerr..one more... Rest time for set usually 30 - 45 secs.. i use handphone stop watch.. As for exercise, 3-4 minutes, wiping off sweat and drink water..

thanks again.

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Here is a noob question on drinks.

At mamak stall, what do u usually order for drinks?
Warm barley <-Not good coz of gluten?
Warm tea
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or should we avoid eating/drinking at mamak stall?

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QUOTE(newx @ Nov 4 2010, 05:56 PM)
Guys,

Here is a noob question on drinks.

At mamak stall, what do u usually order for drinks?
Warm barley <-Not good coz of gluten?
Warm tea
Iced tea
100 Plus
Plain water

or should we avoid eating/drinking at mamak stall?
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You don't have to avoid it completely, if you go once a week, its fine. Just treat it as a cheat meal. That being said, I haven't had a roti canai in over a year. Anyway, for drinks, I usually order hot milo, with less sugar.

UNLESS, you really want to lose weight or have a damn-strict diet (which I don't), then its a different story. You can order hard-boil eggs for food.

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I prefer chinese tea or plain water. Only once in a blue moon i might order herbal tea, else mostly sugarless drinks.

And it is cheaper to have chinese tea or plain water XD
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I didn't read the entire article on gluten, but I think the writer misinterpreted several studies to mislead readers.

Common. I think if it was that damaging, it would be taught in classrooms. I've never heard of gluten free diets being recommended unless they're suffering from celiac disease.
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QUOTE(mofonyx @ Nov 5 2010, 08:04 AM)
I didn't read the entire article on gluten, but I think the writer misinterpreted several studies to mislead readers.

Common. I think if it was that damaging, it would be taught in classrooms. I've never heard of gluten free diets being recommended unless they're suffering from celiac disease.
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The writer did say that it's dangerous if you're suffering from celiac diseases and if you have gluten sensitivity. Well maybe that article didn't write it, but I read a few other articles too though. Sorry if that misled anyone.
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i dun hv a specific Arm day, normally i would match it together like Chest/tricep and Back/Bicep.

as the tricep or bicep are also worked out as secondary muscles while trainin the primary muscle which is chest or back...
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i dun hv a specific Arm day, normally i would match it together like Chest/tricep and Back/Bicep.

as the tricep or bicep are also worked out as secondary muscles while trainin the primary muscle which is chest or back...
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QUOTE(ijnek @ Nov 6 2010, 05:02 PM)
i dun hv a specific Arm day, normally i would match it together like Chest/tricep and Back/Bicep.

as the tricep or bicep are also worked out as secondary muscles while trainin the primary muscle which is chest or back...
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Bad. You have a lot to learn making these statements. Working out a muscle group with suboptimal intensity = suboptimal growth. Where are your huge arms?

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U ought to see how i do bench presses ... I try to totally avoid the chest from being involved
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You get less attention in the PL thread, so you come in here and start trying to impress newbies with all the technical impressive bombastic words? I always say, take a look at a person's physique before you take advice from them. This has been a staple unspoken rule even in international bodybuilding forums. Heck, Charles Glass, even now supposedly skinny used to be huge.

When have you ever had decent muscular development all your life? As far as I'm concerned when i last saw you till the present, you're still this skinny kid who has an attention deficit disorder. Come and tell me you've reached bodybuilder development, then you can start dishing out advice like a bodybuilding pro.

I don't care how many clients of yours you've supposedly built up and gotten huge, that's what you claim. rolleyes.gif But you seriously need to revamp a lot of the advice you've given.

Oh and if you're thinking of giving me a lengthy reply, I couldn't care less what you think. I have a job as a doctor, bodybuilding may not be my career but it is my lifestyle and one of my first loves. Only reason why i used to come sometimes was because i love helping newbies, not misleading them. Seeing people like you pollute this thread, it's pretty sad to watch. Cheers.

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Aren't we supposed to involve the chest as much as possible during bench press if we are training our chest and minimize the use of triceps as in do 75% of full motion from chest to top instead of 100%.

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Aren't you supposedly more into powerlifting orientated sports? Why are you making these crap statements in a bbing thread? If this is what the thread has degenerated into, ever wondered why the huge mofos like angrydog, Kmaru, etc have gone MIA?

You get less attention in the PL thread, so you come in here and start trying to impress newbies with all the technical impressive bombastic words? I always say, take a look at a person's physique before you take advice from them. This has been a staple unspoken rule even in international bodybuilding forums. Heck, Charles Glass, even now supposedly skinny used to be huge.

When have you ever had decent muscular development all your life? As far as I'm concerned when i last saw you till the present, you're still this skinny kid who has an attention deficit disorder. Come and tell me you've reached bodybuilder development, then you can start dishing out advice like a bodybuilding pro.

I don't care how many clients of yours you've supposedly built up and gotten huge, that's what you claim.  rolleyes.gif But you seriously need to revamp a lot of the advice you've given.

Oh and if you're thinking of giving me a lengthy reply, I couldn't care less what you think. I have a job as a doctor, bodybuilding may not be my career but it is my lifestyle and one of my first loves. Only reason why i used to come sometimes was because i love helping newbies, not misleading them. Seeing people like you pollute this thread, it's pretty sad to watch. Cheers.
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Aren't we supposed to involve the chest as much as possible during bench press if we are training our chest and minimize the use of triceps as in do 75% of full motion from chest to top instead of 100%.

Correct me if I am wrong, I am willing to learn~
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Definitely if your goal is to build a large chest. For myself, I do it in order to strengthen the triceps as it's hardly beneficial in my sport to have a large chest. Barbell benches are beneficial, as we use it to strengthen the triceps in order to help overhead stability in the jerk. So it's a tad different.

Also the thing about a lot of my PT clients are, they're mostly slightly elder (40 and above) and they generally have issues like shoulder stability, anterior deltoid pain, so it's difficult to have them bench full ROM, with the emphasis on the chest as it requires a wider grip with the elbows outwards. This can and in fact, will affect their already weakened shoulders so based on experience and guidelines from P.T. organizations, we avoid the elbows flared out version. What I prescribe is more overhead dumbbell pressing to strengthen the entire shoulder structure as well as a lot of emphasis on the postural (rear) shoulder muscles so they don't eventually develop a hunch.

I could just use dumbbells exclusively but in my field, it's necessary to help them learn other movements because if they see other trainees in the gym, using barbell benches, they will too want to jump into it. Eventually when I leave these clients, they're bound to move to the barbell sooner or later due to curiosity and peer pressure in the gym, so it's best to teach them both methods of chest emphasis and triceps emphasis.

It's not that big a deal if you don't have a shoulder issue though, but for me, I've just got to keep it safe.
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when doing deadlifts, what are the signs to look out/feel for that you are not doing it correctly ?
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rounding of the lower back. get someone to spot you. never take form for granted doing deadlifts. one tiny error could mean a slipped disc. ive seen and heard it happen so, so many times.  sad.gif
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yeah, am quite apprehensive when it comes to lifts involving the back. that's something i will look out for.

what about 'feel' ? i can feel the strain + tension on the lower back when lifting, that's normal right ? how to know when you've rounded your back/ wrong form , where would the tension be at ?
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umm... i dont exactly know how to describe the feel to you >< personally, if my back starts to round i feel a certain "pull" on my spine and the tension actually going off the targeted muscles... and i know very quickly that i gotta fix my form or drop the weights if they;re too heavy. not sure if that makes sense to you.... x.x

some tension on the lower back is fine. the deadlift is an exercise to work ur lower back anyways... a sharp pain would be a surefire indicator that you hv done something wrong lol but i think once u feel that sharp pain its too late and u might hv done some damage to urself.
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yeah, am quite apprehensive when it comes to lifts involving the back. that's something i will look out for.

what about 'feel' ? i can feel the strain + tension on the lower back when lifting, that's normal right ? how to know when you've rounded your back/ wrong form , where would the tension be at ?
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Your first repetition, with the empty bar when you do your warmup, should be with a straight back, repeat this movement over and over again, till it's ingrained in your brain. Then start adding weight, and kept an "eye" on your lower back. It will certainly feel heavier but the back tightness should feel consistent. The moment you pull the bar and suddenly the feeling is different, chances are, it's a lower back rounding.

Or, use cues. My cues to my clients are "Pinch your credit card with your shoulders". This forces them to keep the upper back tight and would subsequently stabilize the lower back too. I do joke saying if they don't pinch the card tight, I'll take more money from them the next month, but holy cow you'll see how much harder people squeeze the backs after that. So use mental cues like this, and it'll keep your form right.
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rounding of the lower back. get someone to spot you. never take form for granted doing deadlifts. one tiny error could mean a slipped disc. ive seen and heard it happen so, so many times.  sad.gif
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I've started doing deadlifts latetly, pardon my inexperience what's roudning of the lower back? everytime after i do deadlift , the next day my lower pain does not feel pain but instead i feel some sort of aching/soreness.
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I've started doing deadlifts latetly, pardon my inexperience what's roudning of the lower back? everytime after i do deadlift , the next day my lower pain does not feel pain but instead i feel some sort of aching/soreness.
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correct me if i am wrong. rounding of the back means your lower back is not in its natural 'S' curve. meaning instead of a inverted 'C' or ), it becomes a 'C' or ( . I am assuming that that you are facing -->.
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correct me if i am wrong. rounding of the back means your lower back is not in its natural 'S' curve. meaning instead of a inverted 'C' or ), it becomes a 'C' or ( .  I am assuming that that you are facing -->.
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I seriouslly dont get u.... T.T
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It means don't bend your lower back. Like when you bend down from the waist to lift something.
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Means: don't hunch your back (upper back and lower back and everywhere) or you're in for some serious spinal injury.

If you put a stick/broom stick on your back it should touch 3 points:
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3) the beginning point of your butt crack (that line between your 2 butt cheeks)
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hey guys, can the sifoos review this meal plan.. is it alright?

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IMO, replace the cereal with oatmeal. The simple sugars in the cereal aren't going to do you any good. Even more so if you're trying to lose weight. Other than that, it looks pretty decent and well thought out to me. Of course, it's just my opinion and maybe we could wait for some of the more experienced nutrition peeps here to comment.
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Dorian yates' early day back workout.



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Dorian yates' early day back workout.



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hi mentors
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when we are doing deadlift,the weight plate supposed to touch the floor only consider a full reps ?
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QUOTE(-Dan @ Nov 8 2010, 09:54 PM)
IMO, replace the cereal with oatmeal. The simple sugars in the cereal aren't going to do you any good. Even more so if you're trying to lose weight. Other than that, it looks pretty decent and well thought out to me. Of course, it's just my opinion and maybe we could wait for some of the more experienced nutrition peeps here to comment.
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Yeah, im trying to lose weight and gain. But is corn flakes considered in the bad list as well?
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still looking for the right gym. but i think its overprice to me..lol
an suggestion of balakong (work) and old klang road (leave) area?
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Yeah, im trying to lose weight and gain. But is corn flakes considered in the bad list as well?
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Corn flakes is junk food.

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hye everyone..just wanna ask all the bodybuilder@trainer siffoo here...hehe..
what the best meal for me to gain my weight ...n what the simple workout that I can do by myself just at home ? U guys know..its damn expensive to spend for gym..True Fitness subang,RM100++ a month..huhu...im just a student...smile.gif

From what i just read over this thread...
why some said avoid RICE ?? and eat more protein ? what kind of protein ? do i have to eat only fish all the time to gain my weight ?

Sory i got no idea how to workout n gain the weight...ohh btw..

my height is 184cm
my weight is 56kg... sad.gif

now u guy know how am i desprete to gain weight...huk3...thx!!
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eggs are a good source of protein.

white rice = simple sugars which is convert to fats if not use.
simple sugar breaks down easily, causing a sugar rush in ur blood stream...

u get complex sugars from wholemeal food stuffs like oats or wholemeal bread which is what u wan.
basically complex sugar takes a longer time to break down, thus providing ur body with energy over a period of time.

gain weight is easy,jus eat watever junk food u can get ur hands on like McD.
BUT gain muscles and not fats is the tough 1
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QUOTE(msafwan1773 @ Nov 8 2010, 11:49 PM)
hye everyone..just wanna ask all the bodybuilder@trainer siffoo here...hehe..
what the best meal for me to gain my weight ...n what the simple workout that I can do by myself just at home ? U guys know..its damn expensive to spend for gym..True Fitness subang,RM100++ a month..huhu...im just a student...smile.gif

From what i just read over this thread...
why some said avoid RICE ?? and eat more protein ? what kind of protein ? do i have to eat only fish all the time to gain my weight ?

Sory i got no idea how to workout n gain the weight...ohh btw..

my height is 184cm
my weight is 56kg... sad.gif

now u guy know how am i desprete to gain weight...huk3...thx!!
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i was like u last time..im189cm and 90kg now.. biggrin.gif im a student too

for me i ate 6 meals a day which is basically every 3hours from 8am.and not light meals either..cheapest way would be go to mydin and buy whole chickens(one chicken only about rm11)..and cook ur chickens any which way u prefer..protien shakes are a must

and theres not really much u can gain by working out at home..maybe get a barbell?


Added on November 9, 2010, 5:03 pmxain: what are ur goals for that meal plan? to me it seems more like a losing weight or body maintenance kinda plan.. hmm.gif

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[quote=ijnek,Nov 9 2010, 10:53 AM]
eggs are a good source of protein.

white rice = simple sugars which is convert to fats if not use.
simple sugar breaks down easily, causing a sugar rush in ur blood stream...

u get complex sugars from wholemeal food stuffs like oats or wholemeal bread which is what u wan.



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hi all,is DIP going too low hurts shoulder?
I feel shoulder is involve when doing dip,lower chest of course
any potential harm ?

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Added on November 9, 2010, 5:03 pmxain: what are ur goals for that meal plan? to me it seems more like a losing weight or body maintenance kinda plan.. hmm.gif
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yeah, i'm trying shed some fat and gain muscles... actually lots of fats around my belly sad.gif
but im not really that fat.. just my belly boroi sikit...
i weigh around 70kg and around 175cm high

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Hi guys,

I pushed myself hard during my workout on Sunday. Shortly afterward, the left-side of my head started to feel very painful.

I thought it was just a one-time event so choose to ignore it.

But then it happens again when I lifted some barbells and tried to push myself hard. It only affected the left side and not both. Feel like the my body did not pumped enough oxygen to this part. I resorted to doing lighter workout afterward. sad.gif

Have you guys ever encounter with this kind of problem during workout? What can I do to solve this?
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Pihak polis IPD nusajaya dan pusat komuniti gelang patah serta kerjasama pusat2 gym nusajaya ingin menganjurkan klinik binabadan seperti berikut:

Tarikh: 4hb. Dec 2010 (Sabtu).
Masa: 8:00pm - 10:00pm.
Tempat: Ballroom Hotel Good Hope, Skudai, Johor.

*Bayaran: RM50 seorang.
*Sijil penghargaan ditandatangani oleh Sazali.
*Jamuan ringan disediakan.
*Sesi bergambar dengan semua peserta.

Tarikh tutup pendaftaran sebelum 21hb. Nov 2010.


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[quote=Kmaru,Nov 9 2010, 05:49 PM]
[quote=ijnek,Nov 9 2010, 10:53 AM]
eggs are a good source of protein.

white rice = simple sugars which is convert to fats if not use.
simple sugar breaks down easily, causing a sugar rush in ur blood stream...

u get complex sugars from wholemeal food stuffs like oats or wholemeal bread which is what u wan.
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dude, u quoted my msg...but anything wrong?

do let me know if anything is wrong so i can learn too....

no offence intended, jus wanna learn
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Kawan2;

Pihak polis IPD nusajaya dan pusat komuniti gelang patah serta kerjasama pusat2 gym nusajaya ingin menganjurkan klinik binabadan seperti berikut:

Tarikh: 4hb. Dec 2010 (Sabtu).
Masa: 8:00pm - 10:00pm.
Tempat: Ballroom Hotel Good Hope, Skudai, Johor.

*Bayaran: RM50 seorang.
*Sijil penghargaan ditandatangani oleh Sazali.
*Jamuan ringan disediakan.
*Sesi bergambar dengan semua peserta.

Tarikh tutup pendaftaran sebelum 21hb. Nov 2010.
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but im not really that fat.. just my belly boroi sikit...
i weigh around 70kg and around 175cm high
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Straps are useful when your grip is about to give way. Only use them sparingly as you need to build grip strength. Don't be like the delicate yobs who wear thick gloves when curling 5kgs. Only ever use them when really necessary.

I use Harbinger straps and they work superbly. I'd like to get me a pair of these once my current straps have kicked the bucket.

You can find them at the Curve, top most floor. Err. I forgot which store number, sorry.
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power balance wrist bands = some really dumb stuff and huge ass scam, apparently it can resonate with your natural energy field to increase strength , balance and power?!?!?! coupled with advertising with a few world class athletes and it's selling like hot cakes. I have a few friends that bought it and I threatened them to return that bull crap at knife point, which luckily they did before blood was shed.

seriously what has gotten into mankind, have we turn into mindless lazy slobs thinking that a freaking band with some reflective hologram is going to improve your strength levels ?!!!?!!?!!?!!?

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QUOTE(ken86 @ Nov 11 2010, 09:13 AM)
seriously what has gotten into mankind, have we turn into mindless lazy slobs thinking that a freaking band with some reflective hologram is going to improve your strength levels ?!!!?!!?!!?!!?
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we got cup noodles
we got biscuits
we got 3 in 1 instant mixes
we got abs strap that will exercise for you
we got liposuction
we got tonnes of "hope giving" supplements on store/for sale

go figure.
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QUOTE(kaspersky-fan @ Nov 11 2010, 12:58 PM)
we got cup noodles
we got biscuits
we got 3 in 1 instant mixes
we got abs strap that will exercise for you
we got liposuction
we got tonnes of "hope giving" supplements on store/for sale
We got F-cup cookie
We got Quantum pendant
We got scalar energy
We got Volcanic rock
We got Diet water
We got Far IR radiation

go figure.
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Addendum!

Now Imma gonna use my pendant and go deadlift 800Lbs with 1 hand.
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 9 2010, 11:44 PM)
hi all,is DIP going too low hurts shoulder?
I feel shoulder is involve when doing dip,lower chest of course
any potential harm ?
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Shoulders play the stabilizing role in doing dips.
and what do you mean by saying "doing too low"?
upper arm parallel to floor or slightly below parallel to floor is deemed as correct form.
but that is if everything else is also done properly with out elbows flaring out and such SHOULD NOT hurt the shoulders.
if shoulders pain means form is not right.


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can i know power balance wrist band helps in liftings or not? today i saw ppl selling @ fitness center lol
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The "how it works" on their website doesnt even explain it properly. just blalance body energy and crap. geeze.
at least those quantum pendant people do a better job at explaining it

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QUOTE(Neek @ Nov 11 2010, 02:53 PM)
Shoulders play the stabilizing role in doing dips.
and what do you mean by saying "doing too low"?
upper arm parallel to floor or slightly below parallel to floor is deemed as correct form.
but that is if everything else is also done properly with out elbows flaring out and such SHOULD NOT hurt the shoulders.
if shoulders pain means form is not right.


Added on November 11, 2010, 2:55 pm
The "how it works" on their website doesnt even explain it properly. just blalance body energy and crap. geeze.
at least those quantum pendant people do a better job at explaining it
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thanks alot for your reply
means when dipping,elbow should keep inwards?
well i mean going too low is when i leaning my chest outwards and i really go all the way down

shocking.gif my left knees feel akward when doing front squat
form should be alright,knees not over toes...weird..weight overload?

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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 11 2010, 04:33 PM)
thanks alot for your reply
means when dipping,elbow should keep inwards?
well i mean going too low is when i leaning my chest outwards and i really go all the way down

shocking.gif my left knees feel akward when doing front squat
form should be alright,knees not over toes...weird..weight overload?
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i dunno how to explain the elbows just with text, and i dun have pics with me.
u can search online on the form... or basically, i tjust means elbows dont move in/out at all when doing dips

awkward as in pain?
if pain means form is wrong, or ur knee is not in good shape (injured before?)
full squat? parallel squat?
got do enough warm ups?
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QUOTE(pedro @ Nov 11 2010, 01:04 PM)
Addendum!

Now Imma gonna use my pendant and go deadlift 800Lbs with 1 hand.
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lol i is the pendant same concept as power blanace? alot of my friend wearing the pendant which cost RM600+
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QUOTE(YoNgZ @ Nov 11 2010, 07:29 PM)
lol i is the pendant same concept as power blanace? alot of my friend wearing the pendant which cost RM600+
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the pendant i used before for 2 weeks. my friend lend me to see whether it has effect or not.

i got positive result during 3PM-5PM working hour, usually i'll be tired and wanted to sleep. while using it i felt ok, no tiredness.

but i think it depends on the user-body.
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the pendant i used before for 2 weeks. my friend lend me to see whether it has effect or not.

i got positive result during 3PM-5PM working hour, usually i'll be tired and wanted to sleep. while using it i felt ok, no tiredness.

but i think it depends on the user-body.
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QUOTE(Neek @ Nov 11 2010, 06:59 PM)
i dunno how to explain the elbows just with text, and i dun have pics with me.
u can search online on the form... or basically, i tjust means elbows dont move in/out at all when doing dips

awkward as in pain?
if pain means form is wrong, or ur knee is not in good shape (injured before?)
full squat? parallel squat?
got do enough warm ups?
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its parallel,to 90 degree
well just now i went to try again
i try to open wider,and remove all the stress to hip and quads.it seems MUCH better
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Rather than start a new thread i was wondering if i could post here.

I'm rather new to this field , 28 years of age (hope it's not too late to start). Height is 1.68m and weight is 70.5 kg , basically the dreaded skinnyfat body (used to be 81kg before i started working out in May).

Question is , what is good bodybuilding program for beginners if one is going for a good build ?

After dicking around with my exercises i've finally settled on doing Starting Strength (the pull up/chin up version). While i feel (subjective) like i'm gaining strength due to the constant weight increase , i'm not noticing any changes on my body.

Is it alright to do SS on a cut ? Or do i need to bulk in order to do this program ? Also , is there a better program for beginners looking for aesthetics or should i stick with SS till i reach a total stall ?
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QUOTE(zaphod42 @ Nov 12 2010, 09:17 PM)
Rather than start a new thread i was wondering if i could post here.

I'm rather new to this field , 28 years of age (hope it's not too late to start). Height is 1.68m and weight is 70.5 kg , basically the dreaded skinnyfat body (used to be 81kg before i started working out in May).

Question is , what is good bodybuilding program for beginners if one is going for a good build ?

After dicking around with my exercises i've finally settled on doing Starting Strength (the pull up/chin up version). While i feel (subjective) like i'm gaining strength due to the constant weight increase , i'm not noticing any changes on my body.

Is it alright to do SS on a cut ? Or do i need to bulk in order to do this program ? Also , is there a better program for beginners looking for aesthetics or should i stick with SS till i reach a total stall ?
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I'll ask you again brotha. Priority is size first or strength first? More lean muscle mass, more fat burnt. Simple as abc.
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if size first, whadaya reckon darkie?
and what if strength first?
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Strength go for powerlifting. Size, train the way me, Kmaru and the bodybuilding guys do. Lots of volume,
reps, etc.
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That's what I get regarding which training should I follow. It is depend on your target/objective as Darkie said..

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Hi, I just wanna clarify. For those who are skinny and wanna gain size, have to lift high weight for 8-10 times do a total of around 9-12 sets for each muscle group

And those who wanna trim gotta lift light weight with higher times? is tat right ?
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are we advised to squat twice per week ? or 1 would be enough?
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 15 2010, 12:35 AM)
are we advised to squat twice per week ? or 1 would be enough?
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If you're a bodybuilding oriented trainee which i assume you are since you're posting in a BB thread, once a week is enough. Slam the bodypart as hard as you can, with as much volume and intensity possible then rest, recover and grow. No one ever got bigger in the gym, they get bigger in the kitchen and while sleeping.
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DL when you say train with lots of volume, how much volume are we talking about? 4-5 working sets of 12? or as much as you can take?
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Is low fat yogurt good for bodybuilders ? If so ? which brand is recommended in Malaysia ?
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normally yogurt r quite high in sugar
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Is low fat yogurt good for bodybuilders ? If so ? which brand is recommended in Malaysia ?
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and its processed carbs. but still ok with its supposed other benefits.
go for the normal "with fat" variety
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Normal plain yogurt is good but only few people can tahan the taste smile.gif
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DL when you say train with lots of volume, how much volume are we talking about? 4-5 working sets of 12? or as much as you can take?
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It's not rocket science. 12-15 reps, 4-5 sets per exercise. Listen to your body. Go for the pump.

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QUOTE(fivewinning @ Nov 13 2010, 01:49 AM)
Hi, I just wanna clarify. For those who are skinny and wanna gain size, have to lift high weight for 8-10 times do a total of around 9-12 sets for each muscle group

And those who wanna trim gotta lift light weight with higher times? is tat right ?
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can somebody help??
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Nov 15 2010, 07:41 PM)
It's not rocket science. 12-15 reps, 4-5 sets per exercise. Listen to your body. Go for the pump.
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Actually is squat a compound exercise that trains a few muscles at a go?All I feel when I do squats is the muscles at my leg
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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Nov 15 2010, 09:18 PM)
Actually is squat a compound exercise that trains a few muscles at a go?All I feel when I do squats is the muscles at my leg
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Squats will hit your quads, hams and glutes, as well as recruiting your abdominals and lower back for stability. That's 5 muscle groups worked there.
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QUOTE(-Dan @ Nov 15 2010, 09:34 PM)
Squats will hit your quads, hams and glutes, as well as recruiting your abdominals and lower back for stability. That's 5 muscle groups worked there.
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Oh I see,but I mostly feel only my muscles at my legs are sore after doing squats,that's normal?
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QUOTE(fivewinning @ Nov 15 2010, 09:02 PM)
can somebody help??
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the reason no one is replying is cos this question is quite irrelevant.
but to satisfy u. the answer is both yes and no.
read more other articles and u will get it, or dont read, and just go to gym and train anyway.
it wont affect u that much.

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when training getting more and more difficult set by PT... felt like giving up sad.gif sad.gif

when she said "for that abs, for that biceps! ...." felt like saying, dun wan aredi then... cry.gif

y ah? .... sad.gif
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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Nov 16 2010, 12:04 PM)
when training getting more and more difficult set by PT... felt like giving up sad.gif sad.gif

when she said "for that abs, for that biceps! ...." felt like saying, dun wan aredi then... cry.gif

y ah? .... sad.gif
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You need more motivation.

Look into the mirror and hate what you see.
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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Nov 15 2010, 11:50 PM)
Oh I see,but I mostly feel only my muscles at my legs are sore after doing squats,that's normal?
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You're squatting, not curling. If you feel pain in the biceps means you're doing it very wrong.
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QUOTE(mcbarney666 @ Nov 16 2010, 04:11 PM)
You're squatting, not curling. If you feel pain in the biceps means you're doing it very wrong.
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Haha yea,surely if the biceps feels pain,that's very wrong laugh.gif

Was just wondering,cos first time doing squats,with dumbbells though smile.gif
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Sharing something new that I learn today...

Architecture of the knee
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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Nov 16 2010, 05:02 PM)
Haha yea,surely if the biceps feels pain,that's very wrong  laugh.gif

Was just wondering,cos first time doing squats,with dumbbells though  smile.gif
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I have no one to teach me how to squat too.
Currently, I’m reading a book written by Mark Rippetoe titled Starting Strength 2nd Edition.
That’s an ebook though coz I can’t find any in bookstore.


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QUOTE(newx @ Nov 16 2010, 05:24 PM)
Sharing something new that I learn today...

Architecture of the knee
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Added on November 16, 2010, 5:27 pm
I have no one to teach me how to squat too.
Currently, I’m reading a book written by Mark Rippetoe titled Starting Strength 2nd Edition.
That’s an ebook though coz I can’t find any in bookstore.
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there is dvd version also..
more clear vision on how to do squat, bench press, overhead press, deadlift and clean press..
different types of men and women doing the same thing,
and you can see how Mark corrected each of them..
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QUOTE(revolter @ Nov 17 2010, 12:56 AM)
there is dvd version also..
more clear vision on how to do squat, bench press, overhead press, deadlift and clean press..
different types of men and women doing the same thing,
and you can see how Mark corrected each of them..
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A DVD version?Perhaps we can get it from *ahem* laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Nov 17 2010, 01:18 AM)
A DVD version?Perhaps we can get it from *ahem*  laugh.gif
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surely u can.. just ask Mr Google the ''Starting Strength- Basic Barbell Training DVD''.. tongue.gif
he knows where u can find it..
it is worth it to learn all the basic barbell movement from here if u got nobody to ask for..
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QUOTE(revolter @ Nov 17 2010, 07:25 AM)
surely u can.. just ask Mr Google the ''Starting Strength- Basic Barbell Training DVD''.. tongue.gif
he knows where u can find it..
it is worth it to learn all the basic barbell movement from here if u got nobody to ask for..
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Hey,

Thanks for highlighting this video to me.
I can't thank you enough for this notworthy.gif
Really need to learn how to do a correct squat.
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QUOTE(newx @ Nov 17 2010, 01:28 PM)
Hey,

Thanks for highlighting this video to me.
I can't thank you enough for this  notworthy.gif
Really need to learn how to do a correct squat.
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It ok.. we here to share what we know.. biggrin.gif
Just watch the video carefully and see what the common mistakes they always do..
Try to do it slowly at first so that u can always check your form and posture..
always remember, correct form is your priority.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(revolter @ Nov 17 2010, 03:58 PM)
It ok.. we here to share what we know.. biggrin.gif
Just watch the video carefully and see what the common mistakes they always do..
Try to do it slowly at first so that u can always check your form and posture..
always remember, correct form is your priority.. smile.gif
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Thanks for the advice!

I found this link and it contains a lot more videos:
http://www.crossfit.com/cf-info/excercise.html#Power

Enjoy!
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Thanks for the advice!

I found this link and it contains a lot more videos:
http://www.crossfit.com/cf-info/excercise.html#Power

Enjoy!
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That's like videos of almost all the exercises on the earth laugh.gif
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u can check the bodybuilding.com website for videos on the exercise too
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u can check the bodybuilding.com website for videos on the exercise too
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Here's something from squatting expert, Jim Wendler.

Your eyes should be focused. Some people believe you should look straight up when you squat. These people aren’t good to listen to. Your eyes should be directed straight ahead or just slightly downward. Don’t take your eyes off the point you choose. Pick something, and stare at it intently. Even if there’s movement and distractions around this point, they shouldn’t stop your stare. This is how focused you have to be.

Proper bar placement depends on your body type and what’s most comfortable to you. Some people have shoulder problems and can’t carry the bar very low. Others just plain suck at high bar squatting. Place the bar where it allows you to reach depth with good form. It’s just that easy.

I like taking a full grip on the bar, but I used a “thumbs-around” grip for the first half of my squatting life. I don’t see this as a deal-breaker.

Keep your elbows down and try to force them under the bar. This will cause your hips to drive first out of the bottom of the squat. It’ll also keep your chest high and prevent you from squatting with your legs first instead of your back. The first thing to shoot up with many people is their ass. Remedy this by pushing with your hips and keeping your elbows under the bar – or at least trying to.

Descend until the tops of your thighs are parallel to the ground. Go deeper if you’d like, but this is the minimum depth you should shoot for.

When you begin your descent, push your knees out to the sides and your glutes back.

Arch your upper back hard for the entire lift. This will cause your lower back to arch, too.

Grip the bar with the narrowest grip you can manage without hurting your shoulders. This will ensure that you remain tight throughout the lift.

Once you hit parallel, drive your elbows under the bar and explode up.

Before you take the bar out of the rack, fill your diaphragm with air, place the bar on your back, then confidently push it out of the rack with your back and legs. Don’t “wimp” the bar out. I like to do this with a large breath, which I won’t let out until I’m in my stance.


Any more than two or three steps back is a waste of time and energy. Be efficient. I mentally count, “One, Two” when taking the bar out to make sure that I take only two steps out of the rack.

Squeeze the bar hard during the lift. This will keep your entire body tight.

Before the descent, take another breath and go. Keep this air in until you’re about 2/3 of the way back up. Then you can let it out. I’ve taught myself to hold my breath for 3 reps, but this is very difficult and I wouldn’t recommend it for everyone.

Bouncing out of the bottom position (the “hole”) is not a bad thing. Losing your air and tightness when you do so is. Don’t do that.

Your descent should be slow enough to permit you to maintain good form, but it should be fast enough to not waste energy or kill the stretch reflex at the bottom. Many lifters will “dive bomb” their squats. This is a fancy term for dropping very quickly and almost catching the bar in the bottom position before squatting back up. This is okay for advanced lifters who know their bodies and have great technique, but it’s probably unacceptable for about 99% of the rest of the population.

Your toes should be pointed out at about a 30-45 degree angle. This will allow your knees to track correctly.


Why should you listen to him? Well he can do this....


I'd listen to anybody that can do that.

One of the best tips one can give you, is the one I bolded. That's the best tip ever.

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I am here asking 1 very silly question
and i've been googled and confused with it

Some said ,there are no such things call inner pecs ,just bring up the overall mass,your pec shape its ultimately genetical determined

Some said,doing tons for flyes and cable-cross over will developed and pump for the inner pecs

Which 1 to follow ?
and may I know upper pecs and lower pecs play what role?
lower pecs for shape ?
Would Bench Press hit the lower pecs when we are doing full ROM?

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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 18 2010, 06:20 PM)
I am here asking 1 very silly question
and i've been googled and confused with it

Some said ,there are no such things call inner pecs ,just bring up the overall mass,your pec shape its ultimately genetical determined

Some said,doing tons for flyes and cable-cross over will developed and pump for the inner pecs

Which 1 to follow ?
and may I know upper pecs and lower pecs play what role?
lower pecs for shape ?
Would Bench Press hit the lower pecs when we are doing full ROM?
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gonna answer line by line;
imo, if there wasnt inner pecs why would people do flys?

yes, flys are for inner pecs

wont hurt to include flys in your exercise routine wouldn't it?

upper and lower pecs make out the whole chest area, would look inbalanced if one part is underdeveloped

yes



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You need more motivation.

Look into the mirror and hate what you see.
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problem is.. very painful.. and kinda make me convince myself "nevermind..."

haih.. jus now a painful session... y exercise = pain cry.gif

my stamina & strength and my core.. so hard to improve one...
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problem is.. very painful.. and kinda make me convince myself "nevermind..."

haih.. jus now a painful session... y exercise = pain cry.gif

my stamina & strength and my core.. so hard to improve one...
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Nov 18 2010, 09:24 PM)
gonna answer line by line;
imo, if there wasnt inner pecs why would people do flys?

yes, flys are for inner pecs

wont hurt to include flys in your exercise routine wouldn't it?

upper and lower pecs make out the whole chest area, would look inbalanced if one part is underdeveloped

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chest rountine is pretty simple
DIP-will do before bench press as this requires more energy
Bench Press
Incline Bench press
TADAH !! DONE ! xD
might add some back training,I train back twice for catching up progress

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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Nov 18 2010, 10:26 PM)
problem is.. very painful.. and kinda make me convince myself "nevermind..."

haih.. jus now a painful session... y exercise = pain cry.gif

my stamina & strength and my core.. so hard to improve one...
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take a few day rest with controlled diet, then continue ur training after that.

sometimes its tired going to the gym 5 days a week and i just gotta listen to my body and take a day rest if necessary smile.gif

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okay here comes another question
should we be locking out our knees when we're doing squat?

Am doing front squat today,1 huge fella come to me,and ask me to wear belt for protection,and ask me not to squat heavily(yea that time i was struggling at 140 lbs+20kg olympic bar, front squat for 5 reps)
According to him,I am not supposed to lock knees when I am standing up,I should control the movement slowly and maintain the muscle tension there.

and he did pointed out I tend to 'bounce' when I am standing up,which is stressing more to the knees.it will hurts the ligament and I will be regret after 3-4 years.squat should not be too heavy as I am not competing ,why rushing ? yes I admit it,when I am standing up I tend to bounce so the lift will be easier.but I never realized thats a cheat form and could be potential harm to my knees.

Well,kinda speaking,he's much bigger than me and least years of experience,so now...I always think that squat should be go heavier,or i should follow to this guy advise? dont lock out,go slowly..

and my feel left knees knuckles cracking when I am doing front squat..which I recheck my form,its should be shoulder stance,foot pointing outwards,hips go downs,knees not over toes....it is not pain but feel weird....

There are not over than 5 people squating in the gym room,and only 1 people who doing deadlift,thats me ! none-of any instructor there,which I barely cant find a big bodybuilder and ask for the skill helps.

Someone enligthen me , I am confused,especially the knees cracking part seriously bothering me,and I might not want to harm my knees,I know squat is way too important,but if I am doing it wrong end up this might be my last chapter of bodybuilding.I did googled,but too many version there ,confusing which 1 to follow.

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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 19 2010, 12:14 AM)
okay here comes another question
should we be locking out our knees when we're doing squat?

Am doing front squat today,1 huge fella come to me,and ask me to wear belt for protection,and ask me not to squat heavily(yea that time i was struggling at 140 lbs+20kg olympic bar, front squat for 5 reps)
According to him,I am not supposed to lock knees when I am standing up,I should control the movement slowly and maintain the muscle tension there.

and he did pointed out I tend to 'bounce' when I am standing up,which is stressing more to the knees.it will hurts the ligament and I will be regret after 3-4 years.squat should not be too heavy as I am not competing ,why rushing ? yes I admit it,when I am standing up I tend to bounce so the lift will be easier.but I never realized thats a cheat form and could be potential harm to my knees.

Well,kinda speaking,he's much bigger than me and least years of experience,so now...I always think that squat should be go heavier,or i should follow to this guy advise? dont lock out,go slowly..

and my feel left knees knuckles cracking when I am doing front squat..which I recheck my form,its should be shoulder stance,foot pointing outwards,hips go downs,knees not over toes....it is not pain but feel weird....

There are not over than 5 people squating in the gym room,and only 1 people who doing deadlift,thats me ! none-of any instructor there,which I barely cant find a big bodybuilder and ask for the skill helps.

Someone enligthen me , I am confused,especially the knees cracking part,and I might not want to harm my knees,I know squat is way too important,but if I am doing it wrong end up this might be my last chapter of bodybuilding.I did googled,but too many version there ,confusing which 1 to follow.
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People always bother me with the belt thing too. And telling me not to squat below parallel.

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People always bother me with the belt thing too. And telling me not to squat below parallel.
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 19 2010, 12:14 AM)
okay here comes another question
should we be locking out our knees when we're doing squat?

Am doing front squat today,1 huge fella come to me,and ask me to wear belt for protection,and ask me not to squat heavily(yea that time i was struggling at 140 lbs+20kg olympic bar, front squat for 5 reps)
According to him,I am not supposed to lock knees when I am standing up,I should control the movement slowly and maintain the muscle tension there.

and he did pointed out I tend to 'bounce' when I am standing up,which is stressing more to the knees.it will hurts the ligament and I will be regret after 3-4 years.squat should not be too heavy as I am not competing ,why rushing ? yes I admit it,when I am standing up I tend to bounce so the lift will be easier.but I never realized thats a cheat form and could be potential harm to my knees.

Well,kinda speaking,he's much bigger than me and least years of experience,so now...I always think that squat should be go heavier,or i should follow to this guy advise? dont lock out,go slowly..

and my feel left knees knuckles cracking when I am doing front squat..which I recheck my form,its should be shoulder stance,foot pointing outwards,hips go downs,knees not over toes....it is not pain but feel weird....

There are not over than 5 people squating in the gym room,and only 1 people who doing deadlift,thats me ! none-of any instructor there,which I barely cant find a big bodybuilder and ask for the skill helps.

Someone enligthen me , I am confused,especially the knees cracking part seriously bothering me,and I might not want to harm my knees,I know squat is way too important,but if I am doing it wrong end up this might be my last chapter of bodybuilding.I did googled,but too many version there ,confusing which 1 to follow.
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You still at Priority Fitness bro?
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 19 2010, 12:14 AM)
okay here comes another question
should we be locking out our knees when we're doing squat?

Am doing front squat today,1 huge fella come to me,and ask me to wear belt for protection,and ask me not to squat heavily(yea that time i was struggling at 140 lbs+20kg olympic bar, front squat for 5 reps)
According to him,I am not supposed to lock knees when I am standing up,I should control the movement slowly and maintain the muscle tension there.

and he did pointed out I tend to 'bounce' when I am standing up,which is stressing more to the knees.it will hurts the ligament and I will be regret after 3-4 years.squat should not be too heavy as I am not competing ,why rushing ? yes I admit it,when I am standing up I tend to bounce so the lift will be easier.but I never realized thats a cheat form and could be potential harm to my knees.

Well,kinda speaking,he's much bigger than me and least years of experience,so now...I always think that squat should be go heavier,or i should follow to this guy advise? dont lock out,go slowly..

and my feel left knees knuckles cracking when I am doing front squat..which I recheck my form,its should be shoulder stance,foot pointing outwards,hips go downs,knees not over toes....it is not pain but feel weird....

There are not over than 5 people squating in the gym room,and only 1 people who doing deadlift,thats me ! none-of any instructor there,which I barely cant find a big bodybuilder and ask for the skill helps.

Someone enligthen me , I am confused,especially the knees cracking part seriously bothering me,and I might not want to harm my knees,I know squat is way too important,but if I am doing it wrong end up this might be my last chapter of bodybuilding.I did googled,but too many version there ,confusing which 1 to follow.
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How were his legs? Don't take advice from someone who professes to do squats but goes 5inches down and up. Only someone with superior legs' development should advise you, not some yob with big biceps but with chopsticks for legs and super smooth calves.

Anyhow, yeah, bouncing is no good but then again did you bounce like a rabbit? I don't think so. From experience, locking my legs screwed me up as I went down. Ended up with a really sore back.
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QUOTE(elvenchou1987 @ Nov 19 2010, 10:18 AM)
You still at Priority Fitness bro?
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yes bro,haven seen you for a long time,if I am not mistaken you should 1 of the squaters in Priority too
Sadly is,no ones with nice leg development there.at least I haven meet anyone.


QUOTE(mcbarney666 @ Nov 19 2010, 11:08 AM)
How were his legs? Don't take advice from someone who professes to do squats but goes 5inches down and up. Only someone with superior legs' development should advise you, not some yob with big biceps but with chopsticks for legs and super smooth calves.

Anyhow, yeah, bouncing is no good but then again did you bounce like a rabbit? I don't think so. From experience, locking my legs screwed me up as I went down. Ended up with a really sore back.
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His legs??...
erm...I would say Ok...but its a lil bit tiny compare with his HUGE upper body.and I did see him squat before,
narrow stance then goes 45% degree,but I not sure there is any partial movement for those big guy so I dint dare to judge its a wrong form.

there are no superior legs' development in the gym.sadly say that sweat.gif neithers deadlift nor squat
bench press ,military press,barbell row.. yes there are alots out there

Yes I dont bounce like a rabbit,I was like go down slowly..then explode up...end up might locking the leg,but I dint felt any back pain from front squat.

my lower body is overweight compare with my upperbody.

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Hey btw do u guys squat until ur ass almost touch the floor,or only until ur thighs are parallel to the floor?
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@thecrab and @elvenchou1987
you guys meant PF @ Ivory ? When do you guys train ?
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@thecrab and @elvenchou1987
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I met him few times,but I guess he is back to KL as what he told me
err...dont have an exact time.you training there too ?
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I met him few times,but I guess he is back to KL as what he told me
err...dont have an exact time.you training there too ?
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 19 2010, 01:30 PM)
yes bro,haven seen you for a long time,if I am not mistaken you should 1 of the squaters in Priority too
Sadly is,no ones with nice leg development there.at least I haven meet anyone.
His legs??...
erm...I would say Ok...but its a lil bit tiny compare with his HUGE upper body.and I did see him squat before,
narrow stance then goes 45% degree,but I not sure there is any partial movement for those big guy so I dint dare to judge its a wrong form.

there are no superior legs' development in the gym.sadly say that  sweat.gif neithers  deadlift nor squat
bench press ,military press,barbell row.. yes there are alots out there

Yes I dont bounce like a rabbit,I was like go down slowly..then explode up...end up might locking the leg,but I dint felt any back pain from front squat.

my lower body is overweight compare with my upperbody.
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I assume you're focusing on being a bodybuilder right? not a powerlifter...
only powerlifters need to lock out the knees to show that they "completed" the move.
training for hypertrophy, no need to lock the knees, and its also better for knee health in long run.
i had to learn this the hard way. but oh well, i dont lock my knees now.

and dude, u squat pretty heavy man! nice! whats yer weight?
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QUOTE(Neek @ Nov 21 2010, 01:41 AM)
I assume you're focusing on being a bodybuilder right? not a powerlifter...
only powerlifters need to lock out the knees to show that they "completed" the move.
training for hypertrophy, no need to lock the knees, and its also better for knee health in long run.
i had to learn this the hard way. but oh well, i dont lock my knees now.

and dude, u squat pretty heavy man! nice! whats yer weight?
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yea ! training for hypertrophy,strength is a bonus !
Well I will try next week...cant wait for it !

Squatting 70 lbs per side with standard olympic bar = 63 kg + 20 kg ==93 kg
I believe everyone in the forum can almost squat above 100 kg smile.gif
am weighting at 76 kg,strength gain goes well and being squat for 10 months,never skip squat even my wrist injured and rest for 2 months.
I guess I have to put on more weight and food,seriously thats unbalance strength and size among upper body and lower body

about the left knees knuckles cracking,I dont have to care yea...it doesnt feel pain but the feel is akward..

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QUOTE(Neek @ Nov 21 2010, 01:41 AM)
I assume you're focusing on being a bodybuilder right? not a powerlifter...
only powerlifters need to lock out the knees to show that they "completed" the move.
training for hypertrophy, no need to lock the knees, and its also better for knee health in long run.
i had to learn this the hard way. but oh well, i dont lock my knees now.

and dude, u squat pretty heavy man! nice! whats yer weight?
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 21 2010, 02:08 AM)
yea ! training for hypertrophy,strength is a bonus !
Well I will try next week...cant wait for it !

Squatting 70 lbs per side with standard olympic bar = 63 kg + 20 kg ==93 kg
I believe everyone in the forum can almost squat above 100 kg  smile.gif 
am weighting at 76 kg,strength gain goes well and being squat for 10 months,never skip squat even my wrist injured and rest for 2 months.
I guess I have to put on more weight and food,seriously thats unbalance strength and size among upper body and lower body

about the left knees knuckles cracking,I dont have to care yea...it doesnt feel pain but the feel is akward..
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Here's an easier way to calculate the weight.

It's 93KG. Just add in a 20KG straight, as it's a part of the weight that you're lifting.

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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 21 2010, 02:08 AM)
yea ! training for hypertrophy,strength is a bonus !
Well I will try next week...cant wait for it !

Squatting 70 lbs per side with standard olympic bar = 63 kg + 20 kg ==93 kg
I believe everyone in the forum can almost squat above 100 kg  smile.gif 
am weighting at 76 kg,strength gain goes well and being squat for 10 months,never skip squat even my wrist injured and rest for 2 months.
I guess I have to put on more weight and food,seriously thats unbalance strength and size among upper body and lower body

about the left knees knuckles cracking,I dont have to care yea...it doesnt feel pain but the feel is akward..
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erm, well...not trying to be nitpicky here but

isnt 63 + 20 = 83? laugh.gif

you're wrong though, i never tried above 100kg squats, not until i get a belt.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Nov 21 2010, 02:14 PM)
erm, well...not trying to be nitpicky here but

isnt 63 + 20 = 83?  laugh.gif

you're wrong though, i never tried above 100kg squats, not until i get a belt.
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Hey btw do u guys squat until ur ass almost touch the floor,or only until ur thighs are parallel to the floor?
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i only do till parallel but thn again im no pro, cant say i have superb leg development.
i dont free squat due to a chronic injury (no pain alrdy thanks to my superb therapist, but still mobility is not 100%), but compensate with the hack squat and vertical leg press.
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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Nov 21 2010, 03:12 PM)
i only do till parallel but thn again im no pro, cant say i have superb leg development.
i dont free squat due to a chronic injury (no pain alrdy thanks to my superb therapist, but still mobility is not 100%), but compensate with the hack squat and vertical leg press.
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Ah yea I heard parellel is better cos it doesn't put strain on the knees smile.gif
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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Nov 21 2010, 03:12 PM)
i only do till parallel but thn again im no pro, cant say i have superb leg development.
i dont free squat due to a chronic injury (no pain alrdy thanks to my superb therapist, but still mobility is not 100%), but compensate with the hack squat and vertical leg press.
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Can I know you all choosing stiff-leg deadlift instead of romanian deadlift?
Preventing overgrowth of hips ? ohmy.gif
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Can I know you all choosing stiff-leg deadlift instead of romanian deadlift?
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Can I know you all choosing stiff-leg deadlift instead of romanian deadlift?
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umm ok heres the thing. SLDL, Romanian deadlift... i cld b wrong, but to me they both target the same muscles. hams and glutes, and lower back involvement is minimal (frm what i feel at least). honestly sometimes whn i look at myself in the mirror it looks like im doing a Romanian, but i call it SLDL anyways since my legs do not move, and a slight bend in the knee is mantained, together with the hip pushing to the back as the weight is lowered.

now some sites advocate that THATS the way to do RDLs, and that SLDLs are done with knees completely locked out, and some variants are done to the extent that the back is rounded slightly. but then again i have seen many different sites with varying explainations and definitions of the SLDL and RDL. some people even say the slight rounding of the back in SLDL and locking is wrong. perhaps the RDL is the SLDL after all, just slapped with a fancy name? im not sure. so to me, SLDL = legs not moving. hamstrings and glutes hit. simple as that. i personally do a mix of both locked out and slightly bent knee, the reason is that the slight bend in the knee allows me to lower the weight farther, whereas the completely locked position allows me to get a burn / muscle tension with a very small ROM and lighter weights

unless if people are confusing the terms with the regular DL. and in this case there is a big difference between RDL and the normal DL, or SLDL and the normal DL.

overgrowth of hip? i really dont think this is an issue with deads. as a matter of fact i think squats cause more hip growth than DLs.


then again... i cld be mistaken. pros are welcome to critique and correct this statement smile.gif smile.gif
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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Nov 21 2010, 03:12 PM)
i only do till parallel but thn again im no pro, cant say i have superb leg development.
i dont free squat due to a chronic injury (no pain alrdy thanks to my superb therapist, but still mobility is not 100%), but compensate with the hack squat and vertical leg press.
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Nothing wrong babe. Actually even Bob Chic doesn't advocate ATG. Our mutual Terry doesn't go ATG in his squat video. A lot of aspiring bodybuilders don't understand that in the long run, heavy ATG squats become relatively counterpeoductive to bodybuilding aesthetics, taking away focus from quads and getting a bigger butt. Heck, even your boyfriend Ernie who has insane leg development for his age does just parallel Smith machine squats.

Dorian Yates' Blood and Guts video, no squats there. Our friend Wong Hong doesn't squat much but look at his out of this world leg development too. Not doing squats doesn't make one a sissy and doing them doesn't make one hardcore. =)

That being said, squats are still an insanely effective exercise, but ATG concept is way overrated.

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Nov 22 2010, 12:47 PM)
Nothing wrong babe. Actually even Bob Chic doesn't advocate ATG. Our mutual Terry doesn't go ATG in his squat video. A lot of aspiring bodybuilders don't understand that in the long run, heavy ATG squats become relatively counterpeoductive to bodybuilding aesthetics, taking away focus from quads and getting a bigger butt. Heck, even your boyfriend Ernie who has insane leg development for his age does just parallel Smith machine squats.

Dorian Yates' Blood and Guts video, no squats there. Our friend Wong Hong doesn't squat much but look at his out of this world leg development too. Not doing squats doesn't make one a sissy and doing them doesn't make one hardcore. =)

That being said, squats are still an insanely effective exercise, but ATG concept is way overrated.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Nov 22 2010, 12:47 PM)
Nothing wrong babe. Actually even Bob Chic doesn't advocate ATG. Our mutual Terry doesn't go ATG in his squat video. A lot of aspiring bodybuilders don't understand that in the long run, heavy ATG squats become relatively counterpeoductive to bodybuilding aesthetics, taking away focus from quads and getting a bigger butt. Heck, even your boyfriend Ernie who has insane leg development for his age does just parallel Smith machine squats.

Dorian Yates' Blood and Guts video, no squats there. Our friend Wong Hong doesn't squat much but look at his out of this world leg development too. Not doing squats doesn't make one a sissy and doing them doesn't make one hardcore. =)

That being said, squats are still an insanely effective exercise, but ATG concept is way overrated.
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heck yes now I am having a overgrowth butt
though I convince myself overtime ,guys can have booty too ! tongue.gif
any brutal leg workout to avoid working on glutes by limited equip ?
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heck yes now I am having a overgrowth butt
though I convince myself overtime ,guys can have booty too !  tongue.gif
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Bodyweight Bench Press

Double Bodyweight Deadlift

You should also be able to clean and front squat your bodyweight, too.

Folks, that's a pretty low level of strength. Although you "could" play high school football at this level, I'd still suggest you keep coming back to the weightroom.


T Nation

whoosh, t nation really has some high standards. pretty close to the BW Bench press though lol. No where close at the DL area though. I wonder if this means 1 reppers?


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whoosh, t nation really has some high standards. pretty close to the BW Bench press though lol. No where close at the DL area though. I wonder if this means 1 reppers?
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1 rep is still a rep.
T-Nation don't call themselves elitists for nothing, bar is pretty high...even more so for the average Malaysian.

I'm almost there as far as the DL is concerned, but lagging badly at the BW Bench Press. Personal preference, I don't like benching and prefer flyes. But I like variety.
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leg presses. one guy in my gym swears by them. though i dont do them cos it hurts my knees somehow  unsure.gif

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whoosh, t nation really has some high standards. pretty close to the BW Bench press though lol. No where close at the DL area though. I wonder if this means 1 reppers?
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I think that's a pretty good benchmark and is a BW bench press a lofty goal ? Unless u r overweight in a bad way, i don';t see BW bench being a lofty goal plus the cleans plus the front squats ?!?

take a look around the gym

the guys that focus on the hard and heavy basics (meat and potatoes), the one that uses the house analogy. A basic routine focusing on the big barbell exercises: your squat, deadlift, bench press, overhead press, barbell row, weighted chin-up/dips, and all the numerous variations on those exercises. and then they toss in some “pumping” for individual muscles after that. They keep the big lifts somewhat heavy, and then use a higher rep range for the bodybuilding stuff.

then look at the other corner, the person that uses baby weights for high reps to isolate their puny frame and probably looks the same year in year out. I am not saying lighter weights high reps for hypertrophy have zero value but I strongly think what most needs to do in the gym is get moderately strong, and that means progressive resistance with significant poundages until a decent base level of strength is reached. It's only at that point that specializing with comparatively light loads and higher reps might actually accomplish something.

I m willing to bet the former guy WILL LOOK jacked.

Again I m not saying high reps hypertrophy is bad, but if u can;t achieve a basic decent level of strength .. hmmm .. using the average malaysian as benchmark is bad, the average malaysian is scrawny and look malnourished. Look around here anyone here with respectable physique with appreciable mass (darklight + angrydog .. ok I know they get over-referenced biggrin.gif) has definitely achieved and built that strong foundation. and no this is not a leg press vs squat argument, training muscles in various ranges of motion, providing for unique positions, isolating various joints and muscles, and/or providing constant tension throughout full ranges of motion is encouraged but please at least achieve the basic yardstick before arguing the minutia.
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well, i agree with what you say ken, regarding the foundation and building up strength. what struck me most about the quote i posted was the last line. from what i see, probably only 2-3% of the guys in my gym can achieve that, and beyond. shows how far we have to go in order to at least stay on par with the guys writing the articles. if the guys i look up to is considered weak, then what am i?

thats what i meant by their lofty standards.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Nov 23 2010, 12:04 AM)
well, i agree with what you say ken, regarding the foundation and building up strength. what struck me most about the quote i posted was the last line. from what i see, probably only 2-3% of the guys in my gym can achieve that, and beyond. shows how far we have to go in order to at least stay on par with the guys writing the articles. if the guys i look up to is considered weak, then what am i? 

thats what i meant by their lofty standards.
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That's actually, very very easy to achieve. Really. Just follow a simple 5x5 routine for 6 months, and it's more than likely you'll hit that. For gym go'ers, the goal of lifting heavy isn't one that's shared amongst many. Once again, it boils down to your goals. If you're gaining pretty good muscle, and that's your goal, there's really no need to worry about what t-nation has to say about your strength levels. After all, it's your goal that matters. Not theirs. And a LOT of bodybuilders can hit those numbers when they cut down their reps. It's just whether they want to or not.
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BW BP - ✔
BW squat - ✔
BW Push press - ✔
BW DL - ✔


Only one I can no longer do is push press as I switched to Military press and haven't reached target poundage.
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QUOTE(pedro @ Nov 23 2010, 10:17 AM)
BW BP - ✔
BW squat - ✔
BW Push press - ✔
BW DL - ✔
Only one I can no longer do is push press as I switched to Military press and haven't reached target poundage.
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DL, still playing DotA with William and cursing along the way?
LOL!
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DL, still playing DotA with William and cursing along the way?
LOL!
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cos even docs nowadays r getting bigger at the waist...

funny how ppl think tat slimmin down = sick and getting fit=crazy
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Nov 19 2010, 01:30 PM)
yes bro,haven seen you for a long time,if I am not mistaken you should 1 of the squaters in Priority too
Sadly is,no ones with nice leg development there.at least I haven meet anyone.
His legs??...
erm...I would say Ok...but its a lil bit tiny compare with his HUGE upper body.and I did see him squat before,
narrow stance then goes 45% degree,but I not sure there is any partial movement for those big guy so I dint dare to judge its a wrong form.

there are no superior legs' development in the gym.sadly say that  sweat.gif neithers  deadlift nor squat
bench press ,military press,barbell row.. yes there are alots out there

Yes I dont bounce like a rabbit,I was like go down slowly..then explode up...end up might locking the leg,but I dint felt any back pain from front squat.

my lower body is overweight compare with my upperbody.
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QUOTE(ijnek @ Nov 25 2010, 02:29 PM)

funny how ppl think tat slimmin down = sick and getting fit=crazy
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no lar... i dont think so....
unless if ur alrdy on d thin side to begin with and still wanna whine abt "slimming down"... thn yes ur sick.

personally ive not been labelled as crazy or mad for keeping fit... neither hv i heard of anyone getting shit about having a fit and active lifestyle, or wanting to have such a lifestyle. i think d word ur looking for is to bulk up or become more muscular. thn yes... ive observed both guys and gals alike that hv adverse feelings towards higher degrees of muscularity

speaking of which, ive hit my 60kg! wahahaha

time to cut tho tongue.gif dont think the 60kg were good quality gains. i feel like a lardy porkass. wheeheehee
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i was fat at 90kg, slim down to 66-67kg
and the 1st thing ppl c me is ask me am i ok or sick?...
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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Nov 25 2010, 03:28 PM)
no lar... i dont think so....
unless if ur alrdy on d thin side to begin with and still wanna whine abt "slimming down"... thn yes ur sick.

personally ive not been labelled as crazy or mad for keeping fit... neither hv i heard of anyone getting shit about having a fit and active lifestyle, or wanting to have such a lifestyle. i think d word ur looking for is to bulk up or become more muscular. thn yes... ive observed both guys and gals alike that hv adverse feelings towards higher degrees of muscularity

speaking of which, ive hit my 60kg! wahahaha

time to cut tho tongue.gif dont think the 60kg were good quality gains. i feel like a lardy porkass. wheeheehee
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Being fit and active is good,you always read up on articles and advertisements encouraging people to have an active lifestyle don't you? laugh.gif

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QUOTE(ijnek @ Nov 25 2010, 04:19 PM)
i was fat at 90kg, slim down to 66-67kg
and the 1st thing ppl c me is ask me am i ok or sick?...
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QUOTE(ijnek @ Nov 25 2010, 04:19 PM)
i was fat at 90kg, slim down to 66-67kg
and the 1st thing ppl c me is ask me am i ok or sick?...
I don't blame them. 66kg is skinny as hell, whether by bb standards or fitness standards.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Nov 25 2010, 09:06 PM)
I don't blame them. 66kg is skinny as hell, whether by bb standards or fitness standards.
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hehe, tat was my weight before i start bodybuilding
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It took 1 day to gain 1.5-2kg from a buffet but freaking weeks to loose them sad.gif
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QUOTE(ijnek @ Nov 25 2010, 04:19 PM)
i was fat at 90kg, slim down to 66-67kg
and the 1st thing ppl c me is ask me am i ok or sick?...
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umm.... personally i think 66kg is a little thin =/

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QUOTE(jamis @ Nov 25 2010, 09:54 PM)
hehe, tat was my weight before i start bodybuilding
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QUOTE(ijnek @ Nov 25 2010, 04:19 PM)
i was fat at 90kg, slim down to 66-67kg
and the 1st thing ppl c me is ask me am i ok or sick?...
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Wow, we share the same fate.

Used to be 65kg but now maintain 70kg.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Nov 25 2010, 11:37 PM)
Bleh! I was 50kg before I started. =P Now 90 and climbing.
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i hit 88kg before and theres one time i got food poisoning and dropped to 84kg aft tat get really fade up and start to cut and hit 77kg now try to bulk for almost 4 months and i merely hit 78 (fluctuate between 77.7 to 78) T.T Gona have more high carbs day.
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QUOTE(jamis @ Nov 26 2010, 10:28 AM)
i hit 88kg before and theres one time i got food poisoning and dropped to 84kg aft tat get really fade up and start to cut and hit 77kg now try to bulk for almost 4 months and i merely hit 78 (fluctuate between 77.7 to 78) T.T Gona have more high carbs day.
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78kg raw pure muscle is good rather than 88kg with fats
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Hmm, darklight79 takes 30++ daily, I take 10-15 daily, ken86 takes 20++ daily, pedro takes 12 daily and we are still here biggrin.gif
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Yea you are here.. but for how long? LOL.. just kiddin chicaman. i take 10 a day too..

my cholestrol level is slightly higher than normal. but that's due to heridetary and other factors(winny). but will get that in check when i get on that keto train by adding in plant sterol, niasin and dendelion extract.
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well...all of us have different goals...
i wan a toned body, tat's my goal...
171cm 67kg, i think i'm ok...
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Nov 25 2010, 10:59 PM)
It took 1 day to gain 1.5-2kg from a buffet but freaking weeks to loose them sad.gif
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Different body type, different approach brutha
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QUOTE(moe81 @ Nov 26 2010, 10:21 AM)
Yea you are here.. but for how long? LOL.. just kiddin chicaman. i take 10 a day too..

my cholestrol level is slightly higher than normal. but that's due to heridetary and other factors(winny). but will get that in check when i get on that keto train by adding in plant sterol, niasin and dendelion extract.
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You still cycling?

My friend monitored his cholesterol level before and after a cycle,was pretty bad during but back to normal after 2 months.
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QUOTE(pedro @ Nov 26 2010, 11:13 AM)
You still cycling?

My friend monitored his cholesterol level before and after a cycle,was pretty bad during but back to normal after 2 months.
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yea. a short one(5 weeks). once i get on tha pct will also get the cholestrol in check. but my doses starts pretty heavy and tapers down gradually. thru lotsa trial and error found this manner works the best for me with tremendous gain.
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That's good,everybody has a different response to dosage and duration.

Always wanted to try but never really did,i'll probably give myself a few more years!
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QUOTE(pedro @ Nov 26 2010, 11:49 AM)
That's good,everybody has a different response to dosage and duration.

Always wanted to try but never really did,i'll probably give myself a few more years!
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let me know, i'll gladly give you some points on different substance and especially pct. most important period of a cycle. a good closure. lotsa ppl tend to overlook pct, and to avoid muscle loss they resort to prolonged use of substance, causing further suppression to HPTA and compromising their vitals.
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QUOTE(ijnek @ Nov 26 2010, 10:26 AM)
well...all of us have different goals...
i wan a toned body, tat's my goal...
171cm 67kg, i think i'm ok...
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I don't know what 171cm is but if that's like 5 feet 8, it's skinny, not toned. Fitness models, even the slim ones have more muscle than that.
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QUOTE(moe81 @ Nov 26 2010, 12:01 PM)
let me know, i'll gladly give you some points on different substance and especially pct. most important period of a cycle. a good closure. lotsa ppl tend to overlook pct, and to avoid  muscle loss they resort to prolonged use of substance, causing further suppression to HPTA and compromising their vitals.
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Thanx,will do ask you IF I decide to pursue this route!
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thx dark...it's close to 5'8...more like 5'7...

lol...ya...i'm skinny...dun wan to change my closet clothes again biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ijnek @ Nov 26 2010, 10:26 AM)
well...all of us have different goals...
i wan a toned body, tat's my goal...
171cm 67kg, i think i'm ok...
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you not ok weh. skinny.
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LoL...OkOK

MORE EGGS n MEAT rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(ijnek @ Nov 26 2010, 03:53 PM)
LoL...OkOK

MORE EGGS n MEAT  rclxm9.gif
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the avatar is u now eh?
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you not ok weh. skinny.
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LoL...OkOK

MORE EGGS n MEAT  rclxm9.gif
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Lol see la boss. I ain't the only one who says that. I'll tell you girls will say the same thing.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Nov 26 2010, 04:57 PM)
Lol see la boss. I ain't the only one who says that. I'll tell you girls will say the same thing.
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LV sudah attacked him lol.
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avatar is 1 or 2 mths back.....

personally, i'm very afraid of my weight going up...

ya...LV says she will catch up with me soon or later

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QUOTE(ijnek @ Nov 26 2010, 05:14 PM)
avatar is 1 or 2 mths back.....

personally, i'm very afraid of my weight going up...

ya...LV says she will catch up with me soon or later
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If ur diet is right, u wont put on that much fat buddy. After my cutting, i have the same phobia as u lol, just go with feeling, if u r putting on fat then u tune ur diet may be lower carbs or watsoever that may help. I m doing carb cycle, for my case if i not gaining weight i add in high carbs day, if i gaining fat then i cut down on my high carbs day, simple tongue.gif
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how to gain muscle XD.
i only have dumbell btw, played few month, but got some belly fat OMG..
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QUOTE(kaiwen1210 @ Nov 26 2010, 07:56 PM)
how to gain muscle XD.
i only have dumbell btw, played few month, but got some belly fat OMG..
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Drink lots of apple juice.
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Drink lots of apple juice.
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its work? apple help to burn belly?
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QUOTE(kaiwen1210 @ Nov 26 2010, 07:56 PM)
how to gain muscle XD.
i only have dumbell btw, played few month, but got some belly fat OMG..
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its work? apple help to burn belly?
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Nov 26 2010, 08:45 PM)
Drink lots of apple juice.
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apple juice burns fat?
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Yea, a litre of apple juice burns away at least 500 calories. No shit.
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apple juice???

the packet 1s(i guess too much sugar) or can i jus chomp down an apple.

i love apples, more reason to eat them!!!!!
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Lol, that's just meeeaaan, guys. laugh.gif

Kaiwen1210, read the stickies.
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walao sure mou apple juice, so how much should i need 1 day? or what brand?
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Yea, a litre of apple juice burns away at least 500 calories. No shit.
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Serious? Any articles where I can read bout it?
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walao sure mou apple juice, so how much should i need 1 day? or what brand?
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I lol..
Apple juice = 1 hour of workout.
Is it cardio or strength training workout?
How bout orange juice? biggrin.gif
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I lol..
Apple juice = 1 hour of workout.
Is it cardio or strength training workout?
How bout orange juice? biggrin.gif
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50 mins strength/10 mins cardio? lol

any juice will do, as long it contains simple sugar/dextrose.... remember to eat something solid after taking whey laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kaiwen1210 @ Nov 27 2010, 11:41 AM)
walao sure mou apple juice, so how much should i need 1 day? or what brand?
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Brand?Any brand will do biggrin.gif
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I'm astounded at the replies. shocking.gif

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QUOTE(kaspersky-fan @ Nov 27 2010, 01:43 PM)
50 mins strength/10 mins cardio? lol

any juice will do, as long it contains simple sugar/dextrose.... remember to eat something solid after taking whey  laugh.gif
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Yeah simple sugar is the best aint it?
I heard we can get more of it by drinking Coke etc. Is coke recommended as an after-workout drink then?
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Yeah simple sugar is the best aint it?
I heard we can get more of it by drinking Coke etc. Is coke recommended as an after-workout drink then?
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QUOTE(bkfeng89 @ Nov 27 2010, 05:49 PM)
Yeah simple sugar is the best aint it?
I heard we can get more of it by drinking Coke etc. Is coke recommended as an after-workout drink then?
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no no , coke is very gassy, it will make u fart like no tomorrow if u take it and u would also result in stomach upset.... smile.gif
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Whoa...brands, different juices and now coke, am I reading the correct thread?
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Whoa...brands, different juices and now coke, am I reading the correct thread?
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You guys got it totally wrong. It's proven that apple juice gives your biceps a great pump and kiwi juice hits the triceps. Therefore don't do bi's and tris on the same day because apple and kiwi juice don't mix well together.
The secret for a great chest is.... you'll never guess it.

Kumquat juice.

End thread.
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The sarcasm flew over a lot of heads and now there's people here taking it all at face value. doh.gif

If I see people chugging fruit juice in the gym next week instead of the usual protein shakes, I'm holding all of you responsible!! biggrin.gif
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Peeps, I'm new here into a slight body building agenda haha. I need some advice on how to retain nutrition taken as I have a very very high rate of metabolism.
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QUOTE(Balaclava @ Nov 28 2010, 06:53 AM)
Peeps, I'm new here into a slight body building agenda haha. I need some advice on how to retain nutrition taken as I have a very very high rate of metabolism.
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u are not actually eating as much as u think.
advice? eat more. stick to wutever macronutrient ratio u are doing.
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For breakfast, I take bacons and eggs. French toast sometimes with peanut butter and orange juice.

Lunch, it depends what I can get my hands on but mostly chinese food with rice.

For dinner, I eat almost two and a half bowls of rice(more is not a problem) a day with chicken breast meat and vegetable mix. Alternatively, I eat spaghetti with chicken breast meat or dice beef.

Anything wrong with this? hmm.gif
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ok.
i think i get it rclxub.gif doh.gif
the juice thing is a joke............ doh.gif sweat.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Balaclava @ Nov 28 2010, 08:56 AM)
For breakfast, I take bacons and eggs. French toast sometimes with peanut butter and orange juice.

Lunch, it depends what I can get my hands on but mostly chinese food with rice.

For dinner, I eat almost two and a half bowls of rice(more is not a problem) a day with chicken breast meat and vegetable mix. Alternatively, I eat spaghetti with chicken breast meat or dice beef.

Anything wrong with this? hmm.gif
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Eat moar meals!

Have 6 meals a day!

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ok.
i think i get it rclxub.gif  doh.gif
the juice thing is a joke............ doh.gif  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif
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ok.
i think i get it rclxub.gif  doh.gif
the juice thing is a joke............ doh.gif  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif
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Oh.... y'think?
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ok.
i think i get it rclxub.gif  doh.gif
the juice thing is a joke............ doh.gif  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Balaclava @ Nov 28 2010, 08:56 AM)
For breakfast, I take bacons and eggs. French toast sometimes with peanut butter and orange juice.

Lunch, it depends what I can get my hands on but mostly chinese food with rice.

For dinner, I eat almost two and a half bowls of rice(more is not a problem) a day with chicken breast meat and vegetable mix. Alternatively, I eat spaghetti with chicken breast meat or dice beef.

Anything wrong with this? hmm.gif
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What you're eating isn't the problem right now, it's how frequently you're eating. Like pedro said, eat more meals in a day.
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holy shiat 6 meals a day lol. Aight gonna go stock up those nutella.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Nov 28 2010, 12:24 PM)
Oh.... y'think?
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umm.... i really think the juice thing is a joke loh lol.
i really went to google ur apple for bicep, kiwi for tricep etc (LOL!!!) and theres no sources that i can find to support that...

i really think its an analogy ur using to say u just dont train bis and tris together on d same day. hehe
and that any juice is fine? cos the carbs and sugars in the juice are good fuel for workout, doesnt matter what juice? lol

here is an apple link! http://www.buzzle.com/articles/losing-weig...ith-apples.html
i dont know bout "burning" calories apart frm the thermic effect of food, which will b present with whatever food you consume (hey even if u went n ate cheesecake and burgers and fries it wld still hv thermic effect!) but the reasoning here is that apples make u feel full faster so u dont eat as much.
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It has become quite apparent that by not doing close grip bench presses, be it flat, incline or decline, has resulted in the mid section (longkang lol) of my chests being underdeveloped...

A rough layout of my chest day routine. I sometimes substitute dumbbells for the bench presses.

Flat barbell bench press
Incline barbell bench press
Decline smith bench press
Cable flyes
Flat / Incline Dumbbell flyes
Dips
Dumbbell pullover
Finished with few isolation exercises

Guess I have to include close grip bench presses from now onwards....

Edit: If I am wrong, please enlighten me bros. As I do know that close grip bench presses mainly target the triceps.

This post has been edited by kelvinftg: Nov 28 2010, 10:50 PM
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i believe the gaps in pec is genetic.
pectoralis muscle (major/minor) are divided into horizontal fibres. not vertically.
i think u cant really train a muscle bundle just at its certain ends.
there is upper and lower or mid but not inner/outer.
either u bulk your pec more by training, hoping the gains would properly cover that gap, or just deal with it.
i maybe wrong. pulled these out of my ass from common knowledge i got from my anatomy classes.

there is no pectoralis inneris.
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dont have any idea to remove the barbell screw .... too long din play d... thats why stucked there... any suggestion ?
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dont have any idea to remove the barbell screw .... too long din play d... thats why stucked there... any suggestion ?
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dont have any idea to remove the barbell screw .... too long din play d... thats why stucked there... any suggestion ?
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Many ppl would help you in the gym nod.gif
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Use WD-40 and why do people "play" with dumbbells/barbells?

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Debt-ridden bodybuilder all set to win international title

Bodybuilder Nandkumar Shinde is going to represent India in the Mr Universe contest, a bodybuilding championship, in Germany this week.
But, the 42-year-old national level gold medallist is neck-deep in debt. “I lost my job a few months ago as the company I worked for closed down,” said Shinde.
“I had to take a hefty loan from the bank and mortgage my home to pay for my trip to Germany. My wife sold all her jewellery and I had to take money from my relatives.”

Unhappy with the lack of support from the state, Shinde is determined to win the title to create more awareness about the sport. He is one of the eight other contestants from the country who will participate in the contest, which is to be held from November 26 to 28.

Shinde was honoured with the titles of Bharat Shri, Maharashtra Shri and Thane Shri in bodybuilding. He, however, had to take a four-year break due to financial problems. He has a lot riding on the Mr Universe contest.

“I have taken a loan of more than Rs 2 lakh to fund my training. The cost of tickets and other requirements for the contest have already crossed Rs 1.5 lakh,” he said.

With a family and two children to take care of, Shinde had filed an application with the state government and even approached local politicians in Thane and Mumbai for funds, but was disappointed by the response.

The average monthly expense for a bodybuilder is around Rs 50,000.

It includes a daily diet of 50 eggs, 2kg chicken, 0.5kg fish, fruits, salads juices, steroids, and other dietary supplements.


Apart from this they also have to pay gym fees as eight hours of daily workout is a must.

“Most of the suburban bodybuilders are hard working and talented, but they lag behind in major events due to lack of sponsors or funds. Except a few hailing from wealthy families, most of the boys are drowning in debts,” said Shinde.

“The state should at least provide low-cost gyms for players in small towns as not everyone can afford private ones.”

In an attempt to provide a platform to such players, Shinde has started an economical gym for young boys who can’t afford plush ones.

Optimistic about his win in the contest, Shinde said: “My family has supported me unconditionally. I will give my best for them and my
country.”

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Wow 50 eggs a day!!!
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QUOTE(pedro @ Nov 29 2010, 12:44 PM)
Use WD-40 and why do people "play" with dumbbells/barbells?
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Direct translation, my comrade.

I can't imagine playing with a loaded barbell myself.
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i once read the Men's Health mag and they show how the ppl in the 3rd world country train...
definitely the worst equipment in the world, but they train with their heart n soul...

equipment-wise can make do with it, but diet can't...

rear chicken for eggs?
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do exercise/body-building affect the mental performance next day?

is like, if tomoro i got a very important presentation and q&a with clients, or i am sitting for exam, it's better to avoid exercise today, or go for it anyway... sometime, after exercise i feel fresh & hyper... sometime i felt horrible!!! ...
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QUOTE(mcbarney666 @ Nov 29 2010, 02:04 PM)
Direct translation, my comrade.

I can't imagine playing with a loaded barbell myself.
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QUOTE(ijnek @ Nov 29 2010, 02:06 PM)
i once read the Men's Health mag and they show how the ppl in the 3rd world country train...
definitely the worst equipment in the world, but they train with their heart n soul...

equipment-wise can make do with it, but diet can't...

rear chicken for eggs?
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You need mens health for that?
Just go Youtube and search for ghetto workouts.
Rear chicken,eat the eggs then eat the chicken.....repeat

Alternatively just get something bigger,like beef!
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do exercise/body-building affect the mental performance next day?

is like, if tomoro i got a very important presentation and q&a with clients, or i am sitting for exam, it's better to avoid exercise today, or go for it anyway... sometime, after exercise i feel fresh & hyper... sometime i felt horrible!!! ...
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I think your mental performance the next day is more related to the sleep you're getting than the workout from the previous day.

Most of the time, I feel better after my workout than before. But if we're talking about next day mental after-effects, previous day workout should have minimal effect. The only time I've ever felt crappy after-effects originating from a workout was when I was over-exerting instead of my usual routine. *cough* Marathon *cough*
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QUOTE(kelvinftg @ Nov 28 2010, 10:39 PM)
It has become quite apparent that by not doing close grip bench presses, be it flat, incline or decline, has resulted in the mid section (longkang lol) of my chests being underdeveloped...

A rough layout of my chest day routine. I sometimes substitute dumbbells for the bench presses.

Flat barbell bench press
Incline barbell bench press
Decline smith bench press
Cable flyes
Flat / Incline Dumbbell flyes
Dips
Dumbbell pullover
Finished with few isolation exercises

Guess I have to include close grip bench presses from now onwards....

Edit: If I am wrong, please enlighten me bros. As I do know that close grip bench presses mainly target the triceps.
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Hmm, all that workout for chest in a single visit? how many sets and reps do you do for each exercise? judging from ur avatar and assuming u're still the same size. U're pushing urself too much brother. u could be ovetraining unless u're sneaking in some external substance to help you out with the recovery. if not, i'd really suggest with 4-5 exercise max for ur chest.

here's a reference for ur benefit:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/behar2.htm
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QUOTE(moe81 @ Nov 29 2010, 03:21 PM)
Hmm, all that workout for chest in a single visit? how many sets and reps do you do for each exercise? judging from ur avatar and assuming u're still the same size. U're pushing urself too much brother. u could be ovetraining unless u're sneaking in some external substance to help you out with the recovery. if not, i'd really suggest with 4-5 exercise max for ur chest.

here's a reference for ur benefit:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/behar2.htm
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Nah man... The avatar is very old, 3 years back at least, just can't be bothered to change it.

The routine is if I do incline on that chest day, I won't do decline, vice versa. Flat bench press is definitely included. If I do cable flyes, I won't do Dumbbell flyes.

So it'll end up being.

Incline bench press
Flat bench press
Cable flyes
Dips
Dumbbell pullover
Finished with isolation exercises

External substance? heh.. Nah man, I only take whey and casein.

Edit: For sets and reps, I have stuck to a 12-10-8 reps formula for the past 3 months. When this gets easy, I increase weights and do 8-8-8 until I can perform 12-10-8 with ease. Occasionally after the 3 sets, I go heavy and do sets of 3RM.

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Wow 50 eggs a day!!!
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do exercise/body-building affect the mental performance next day?

is like, if tomoro i got a very important presentation and q&a with clients, or i am sitting for exam, it's better to avoid exercise today, or go for it anyway... sometime, after exercise i feel fresh & hyper... sometime i felt horrible!!! ...
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go by feelings smile.gif listen to your body!
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Okay, quick rant here: the recently relocated Menara Maxis Fitness First has moved to Avenue K. Godawful place. Anyway, I goes in to get a cursory feel of the place as I was actually heading home. It was packed to the brim as today was the first day of the completed relocation. I check out each section quickly and oh my goodness it was a total mess!

Machines were in a little quadrant of space, it looked crammed as heck. Then I walk further. There's a little space for TRX thingy (the one with bands), pretty cool I admit. Then another set of machines, this time spaced well but still had "crammed" feel. Then the weights section. WTH? IT was tiny and it looks like they brought the short benches with them. Equipment was recycled as expected but c'mon let's have some new stuff.

Anyway, unless my eyes have deceived me, the power rack was missing. And you know what that means, right? Yes, no deadlift or squats! This is blasphemy! I hope I'm wrong. I'm going in tomorrow to get a better taste of the new place but first impressions have left a really sour taste in my mouth.

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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Nov 29 2010, 02:08 PM)
do exercise/body-building affect the mental performance next day?

is like, if tomoro i got a very important presentation and q&a with clients, or i am sitting for exam, it's better to avoid exercise today, or go for it anyway... sometime, after exercise i feel fresh & hyper... sometime i felt horrible!!! ...
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QUOTE(mcbarney666 @ Nov 29 2010, 09:09 PM)
Okay, quick rant here: the recently relocated Menara Maxis Fitness First has moved to Avenue K. Godawful place. Anyway, I goes in to get a cursory feel of the place as I was actually heading home. It was packed to the brim as today was the first day of the completed relocation. I check out each section quickly and oh my goodness it was a total mess!

Machines were in a little quadrant of space, it looked crammed as heck. Then I walk further. There's a little space for TRX thingy (the one with bands), pretty cool I admit. Then another set of machines, this time spaced well but still had "crammed" feel. Then the weights section. WTH? IT was tiny and it looks like they brought the short benches with them. Equipment was recycled as expected but c'mon let's have some new stuff.

Anyway, unless my eyes have deceived me, the power rack was missing. And you know what that means, right? Yes, no deadlift or squats! This is blasphemy! I hope I'm wrong. I'm going in tomorrow to get a better taste of the new place but first impressions have left a really sour taste in my mouth.
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Do the ghetto style:
Squat the barbell off the bench press rack --> walk out of the bench --> skwat --> walk back into the bench rack --> unrack.
I used to do this, not in those fancy gym though.


Added on November 30, 2010, 1:34 am
QUOTE(bkfeng89 @ Nov 27 2010, 05:49 PM)
Yeah simple sugar is the best aint it?
I heard we can get more of it by drinking Coke etc. Is coke recommended as an after-workout drink then?
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Can. If you want diabetes and a messed up metabolism.


Added on November 30, 2010, 1:35 am
QUOTE(darklight79 @ Nov 28 2010, 02:07 AM)
You guys got it totally wrong. It's proven that apple juice gives your biceps a great pump and kiwi juice hits the triceps. Therefore don't do bi's and tris on the same day because apple and kiwi juice don't mix well together.
The secret for a great chest is.... you'll never guess it.

Kumquat juice.

End thread.
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QUOTE(Balaclava @ Nov 28 2010, 06:53 AM)
Peeps, I'm new here into a slight body building agenda haha. I need some advice on how to retain nutrition taken as I have a very very high rate of metabolism.
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Go look for some digestive enzymes. But it'll be pointless if you don't eat enough in the first place.

This post has been edited by iamyuanwu: Nov 30 2010, 01:36 AM
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hungry,juts go down to the market and grab a can of ayambrand tuna mayones.never knew tuna could taste that good,AWESOME

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any of u guys been to ff avenue k?
you've never been to a ghetto gym till u get ur ass to ff avenue k
i've been to ill equipped gym and felt more at home than being at the newly situated ff (moved from maxis to avenue k)

u know how large the weight room is?
its a size of 2 average bed rooms in a medium sized apartment
and ur sharing about 7-8 benches (including fixed flat and incline bench) and 3 dumbbell racks (not taking into account huge guys doing their stuff there)
and ur next to the bodyweight areas and the cable crossovers and stuff

i was damn angry and asked the managers there what happened
they said "the management gave it a thought and decided that ff is aiming for 'fit' and not 'muscular',"

now thats bullseye for business acumen
stupid sh*t!

oh well no use complaining though
now gotta go to the curve and play

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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Nov 29 2010, 01:26 PM)
Lol hey are u a tarp?Is that really u in ur avatar  laugh.gif

Many ppl would help you in the gym  nod.gif
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QUOTE(pedro @ Nov 29 2010, 02:10 PM)
Oh alrite,didn't understand why people said that previously!  Thx
You need mens health for that?
Just go Youtube and search for ghetto workouts.
Rear chicken,eat the eggs then eat the chicken.....repeat

Alternatively just get something bigger,like beef!
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nope, i dun need men's health for trainin..
i jus happen to read a copy while waitin for my wife(2-3 hrs wait) and i read the article abt how ppl train in 3rd world country...
something abt boxers trainin and how they c boxin as a means to get out of poverty..

not every1 will know what to google for....
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Sorry it got your panties in a bunch,should always remind myself that people here think different,from where I come the Iron rules and there's nothing to compare it with as gyms such as CF/FF are inexistent.
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Nov 30 2010, 02:20 AM)
any of u guys been to ff avenue k?
you've never been to a ghetto gym till u get ur ass to ff avenue k
i've been to ill equipped gym and felt more at home than being at the newly situated ff (moved from maxis to avenue k)

u know how large the weight room is?
its a size of 2 average bed rooms in a medium sized apartment
and ur sharing about 7-8 benches (including fixed flat and incline bench) and 3 dumbbell racks (not taking into account huge guys doing their stuff there)
and ur next to the bodyweight areas and the cable crossovers and stuff

i was damn angry and asked the managers there what happened
they said "the management gave it a thought and decided that ff is aiming for 'fit' and not 'muscular',"

now thats bullseye for business acumen
stupid sh*t!

oh well no use complaining though
now gotta go to the curve and play
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i think it's a lame excuse to cover the fact tat they can't afford to pay the high rental.
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Nov 30 2010, 02:20 AM)
any of u guys been to ff avenue k?
you've never been to a ghetto gym till u get ur ass to ff avenue k
i've been to ill equipped gym and felt more at home than being at the newly situated ff (moved from maxis to avenue k)

u know how large the weight room is?
its a size of 2 average bed rooms in a medium sized apartment
and ur sharing about 7-8 benches (including fixed flat and incline bench) and 3 dumbbell racks (not taking into account huge guys doing their stuff there)
and ur next to the bodyweight areas and the cable crossovers and stuff

i was damn angry and asked the managers there what happened
they said "the management gave it a thought and decided that ff is aiming for 'fit' and not 'muscular',"

now thats bullseye for business acumen
stupid sh*t!

oh well no use complaining though
now gotta go to the curve and play
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My sentiments exactly. I haven't worked out there yet but I've got a feeling that I won't be a happy person.

QUOTE(pedro @ Nov 30 2010, 10:12 AM)
Sorry it got your panties in a bunch,should always remind myself that people here think different,from where I come the Iron rules and there's nothing to compare it with as gyms such as CF/FF are inexistent.
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Of course with Malaysian commercial gyms one cannot expect the It's Like Having an Orgasm feeling ala Governator but to dive into such lowball tactics just screams conformity.

FF at the Curve's is much better than this and that's very high praise indeed.


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Do the ghetto style:
Squat the barbell off the bench press rack --> walk out of the bench --> skwat --> walk back into the bench rack --> unrack.
I used to do this, not in those fancy gym though.
I've been doing that but for barbell rows because there's this silly Pakcik that does the silliest moves at the power rack. Wait, FORMERLY located power rack.

I will workout there tomorrow and I'll give my final verdict then.

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no offence intended pedro, jus tat i, myself, have not be exposed to as much info as there is out there.
i welcome the new knowledge n info.
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QUOTE(pedro @ Nov 30 2010, 10:12 AM)
Sorry it got your panties in a bunch,should always remind myself that people here think different,from where I come the Iron rules and there's nothing to compare it with as gyms such as CF/FF are inexistent.
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Heh... There are a lot of seriously hardcore individuals at TF Jaya 33 compared to FF and CF. They show themselves after 8ish. Gone are the days where people associate some fitness centers with skinny just wanna be fit people.
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Heh... There are a lot of seriously hardcore individuals at TF Jaya 33 compared to FF and CF. They show themselves after 8ish. Gone are the days where people associate some fitness centers with skinny just wanna be fit people.
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CF also has the same timing,at about 9pm the roid club has its daily meeting!

These are the guys that seriously challenge the Iron but damn they leave a mess everywhere.

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I think your mental performance the next day is more related to the sleep you're getting than the workout from the previous day.

Most of the time, I feel better after my workout than before. But if we're talking about next day mental after-effects, previous day workout should have minimal effect. The only time I've ever felt crappy after-effects originating from a workout was when I was over-exerting instead of my usual routine. *cough* Marathon *cough*
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i prefer fish, steak, milk, soya bean milk
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exercise change "sleeping appetite" tats why affect the brain+body next day...
those awful shakes & bars?  sad.gif
i prefer fish, steak, milk, soya bean milk
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Think it's still a grey area, mental performance on days following your workout because mood is quite subjective to the individual. Going by your examples I assume you're all natural and zero supplementation?
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tuesday = shoulders, triceps
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thurs/fri = chest, triceps, biceps, shoulders.
sat n sun= hiking or rest day, but sumtime will get sum pumps during saturday. =)

need sum reco for triceps n chest training. =)

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too much of soya bean milk not good...LoL

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Is behind neck press potentially harmful to shoulder health?
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I use it to hit the traps and rhomboids, not much of shoulders involved when I do it. Mind muscle connection ftw.
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Think it's still a grey area, mental performance on days following your workout because mood is quite subjective to the individual. Going by your examples I assume you're all natural and zero supplementation?
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Think it's still a grey area, mental performance on days following your workout because mood is quite subjective to the individual. Going by your examples I assume you're all natural and zero supplementation?
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yup, zero supplements bcos those shakes & bars really not suit my taste, taste horrible for me, used to have vitamin c but fresh fruits everyday 2 apples, 1 orange usually sometime eat grapes so stop the vitamin c also already stop for... 4+ few years

must be the exercise routine & recovery food imbalance... tats why sometimes feel great, sometimes feel like crap


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too much of soya bean milk not good...LoL

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/tietge7.htm
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Going "Natural" in bodybuilding means free from steroids, not free from supplementation. Whey and creatine are natural. As pointed out many many times again and again.
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too much of soya bean milk not good...LoL

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Ridiculous. It has been argued time and time again that you'd have to take insane mega amounts of soy to get those adverse effects. I know a lot of people at my old gym in malacca who added that to their preworkout shakes and had insane musculature.
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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Nov 30 2010, 07:01 PM)
yup, zero supplements bcos those shakes & bars really not suit my taste, taste horrible for me, used to have vitamin c but fresh fruits everyday 2 apples, 1 orange usually sometime eat grapes so stop the vitamin c also already stop for... 4+ few years

must be the exercise routine & recovery food imbalance... tats why sometimes feel great, sometimes feel like crap


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but good for girls...  brows.gif
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Hey you don't need to talk like that yo,what he meant was natural food,or like what someone said,free from steroids,learn how to read what people said properly,u dun have to think u are all that great u know..

so debbierowe doesn't take supplements and only eat natural food nod.gif Cos she doesn't like the taste..understandable..just eat more eggs and milk and meat..

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got to ask this, r u on the right thread? this is bodybuilding yo.
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lol yes. i never have weight/fat problem, the problem is i never gain weight thru out my life, no matter how i eat like a horse... i.e. some guys has problem finishing fries of a Carls Jr large meal, but i dun tongue.gif but whatever i eat seemed like "evaporate" but check with doc he said just high metabolism not worms (like i suspect)

so up until last year i actually never bother to exercise cos tats supposedly just for fat girls laugh.gif but then suddenly just felt like getting lean & toned after watching Nike Women ad and stuff...think those girls look way better than Marie France bodyline or all those slimming center ads girls.

and so i start gym & with a PT.

but then, realising ... toning to look lean, is x999 harder than losing weight...
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To be frank, hard gainer always say they eat a lot, but the fact is that they eat so little!!! A large meal from carls junior is so small~

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I use it to hit the traps and rhomboids, not much of shoulders involved when I do it. Mind muscle connection ftw.
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you do it in the traditional way or ?
how you manage to hit the rhomboids
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To be frank, hard gainer always say they eat a lot, but the fact is that they eat so little!!! A large meal from carls junior is so small~
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then they r not hard gainers in the 1st place tongue.gif
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Hey you don't need to talk like that yo,what he meant was natural food,or like what someone said,free from steroids,learn how to read what people said properly,u dun have to think u are all that great u know..

so debbierowe doesn't take supplements and only eat natural food  nod.gif Cos she doesn't like the taste..understandable..just eat more eggs and milk and meat..
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1. The way he phrased it, implied that whey was unnatural. That's how i read it.
2. Think before you type, i've seen plenty of your useless+uninformative+misleading replies in other threads.
3. Stop going crazy over anyone with a 'female' tag, you've never seen any before ?
4. Now, train hard.
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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Nov 30 2010, 10:46 PM)
lol yes. i never have weight/fat problem, the problem is i never gain weight thru out my life, no matter how i eat like a horse... i.e. some guys has problem finishing fries of a Carls Jr large meal, but i dun tongue.gif but whatever i eat seemed like "evaporate" but check with doc he said just high metabolism not worms (like i suspect)

so up until last year i actually never bother to exercise cos tats supposedly just for fat girls  laugh.gif but then suddenly just felt like getting lean & toned after watching Nike Women ad and stuff...think those girls look way better than Marie France bodyline or all those slimming center ads girls.

and so i start gym & with a PT.

but then, realising ... toning to look lean, is x999 harder than losing weight...
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Nov 30 2010, 10:54 PM)
To be frank, hard gainer always say they eat a lot, but the fact is that they eat so little!!! A large meal from carls junior is so small~
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Lemme improvise on this. Too many people are too quick to label themselves as hardgainers. They don't eat enough, or if they eat enough, they go on the wrong program. Over the years of working out, imo, any so called bodybuilding oriented program which has planned calculated poundages is inherently flawed.

Our bodies all have mood swings, sometimes it's one of those dog days where you just don't have it in you to go super heavy. So what happens when they try to hit that targeted poundage? Injury, demoralization, demotivation, etc. Resetting poundages back 2 workouts or whatever they want to call it, it still boils down to the same principle. Listen to your body.

It's really that simple, it's not rocket science, period. I'm sure chicaman knows this, I definitely know this since we've both trained at Terry's gym regularly at some time or the other. And chicaman, your progress is phenomenal just listening to what Terry touts, again, listening to your body. Good job.


Btw, I met up with pedro for shisha just now, he gained size, not bad.
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QUOTE(shiloong7081 @ Nov 30 2010, 11:10 PM)
1. The way he phrased it, implied that whey was unnatural. That's how i read it.
2. Think before you type, i've seen plenty of your useless+uninformative+misleading replies in other threads.
3. Stop going crazy over anyone with a 'female' tag, you've never seen any before ?
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Since when have I given misleading replies?I know I made one silly statement in one thread,so what?Big deal?And you went and take it so seriously,didn't you? laugh.gif

Me going crazy over someone with a 'female' tag?Haha u got to be kidding me doh.gif

Yea,I am training hard,who are you to say I'm not?


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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Nov 30 2010, 11:17 PM)
Lemme improvise on this. Too many people are too quick to label themselves as hardgainers. They don't eat enough, or if they eat enough, they go on the wrong program. Over the years of working out, imo, any so called bodybuilding oriented program which has planned calculated poundages is inherently flawed.

Our bodies all have mood swings, sometimes it's one of those dog days where you just don't have it in you to go super heavy. So what happens when they try to hit that targeted poundage? Injury, demoralization, demotivation, etc. Resetting poundages back 2 workouts or whatever they want to call it, it still boils down to the same principle. Listen to your body.

It's really that simple, it's not rocket science, period. I'm sure chicaman knows this, I definitely know this since we've both trained at Terry's gym regularly at some time or the other. And chicaman, your progress is phenomenal just listening to what Terry touts, again, listening to your body. Good job.
Btw, I met up with pedro for shisha just now, he gained size, not bad.
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This is so true. Just gotta listen to our body!

Its easy, just listen to what Terry said and wont go wrong! Make sure practice what he said, there are people who asked him for advise but did not practice them hence not giving free advice easily anymore lol!
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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Nov 30 2010, 11:48 PM)
Since when have I given misleading replies?I know I made one silly statement in one thread,so what?Big deal?And you went and take it so seriously,didn't you?  laugh.gif

Me going crazy over someone with a 'female' tag?Haha u got to be kidding me  doh.gif

Yea,I am training hard,who are you to say I'm not?
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Chill guys

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Nov 30 2010, 11:17 PM)
Lemme improvise on this. Too many people are too quick to label themselves as hardgainers. They don't eat enough, or if they eat enough, they go on the wrong program. Over the years of working out, imo, any so called bodybuilding oriented program which has planned calculated poundages is inherently flawed.

Our bodies all have mood swings, sometimes it's one of those dog days where you just don't have it in you to go super heavy. So what happens when they try to hit that targeted poundage? Injury, demoralization, demotivation, etc. Resetting poundages back 2 workouts or whatever they want to call it, it still boils down to the same principle. Listen to your body.

It's really that simple, it's not rocket science, period. I'm sure chicaman knows this, I definitely know this since we've both trained at Terry's gym regularly at some time or the other. And chicaman, your progress is phenomenal just listening to what Terry touts, again, listening to your body. Good job.
Btw, I met up with pedro for shisha just now, he gained size, not bad.
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jus got back my medical report from annual checkup and all's clear!!!
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tat's a peace of mind for me

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Nov 30 2010, 11:17 PM)
Lemme improvise on this. Too many people are too quick to label themselves as hardgainers. They don't eat enough, or if they eat enough, they go on the wrong program. Over the years of working out, imo, any so called bodybuilding oriented program which has planned calculated poundages is inherently flawed.

Our bodies all have mood swings, sometimes it's one of those dog days where you just don't have it in you to go super heavy. So what happens when they try to hit that targeted poundage? Injury, demoralization, demotivation, etc. Resetting poundages back 2 workouts or whatever they want to call it, it still boils down to the same principle. Listen to your body.

It's really that simple, it's not rocket science, period. I'm sure chicaman knows this, I definitely know this since we've both trained at Terry's gym regularly at some time or the other. And chicaman, your progress is phenomenal just listening to what Terry touts, again, listening to your body. Good job.
Btw, I met up with pedro for shisha just now, he gained size, not bad.
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lol yes. i never have weight/fat problem, the problem is i never gain weight thru out my life, no matter how i eat like a horse... i.e. some guys has problem finishing fries of a Carls Jr large meal, but i dun tongue.gif but whatever i eat seemed like "evaporate" but check with doc he said just high metabolism not worms (like i suspect)

so up until last year i actually never bother to exercise cos tats supposedly just for fat girls  laugh.gif but then suddenly just felt like getting lean & toned after watching Nike Women ad and stuff...think those girls look way better than Marie France bodyline or all those slimming center ads girls.

and so i start gym & with a PT.

but then, realising ... toning to look lean, is x999 harder than losing weight...
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You are in similar situation like me. I eat alot of chiken, meat etc.. and never had weight gain.
Then i found out the problem is not the protien, but it's the calories.
When i eat more calories, then i start gaining weight.
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Now going to do some research!
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Lol all I did was fine tune my nutrition and supplementation bro but thanks. Just remember the tips I gave.

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umm.... i really think the juice thing is a joke loh lol.
i really went to google ur apple for bicep, kiwi for tricep etc (LOL!!!) and theres no sources that i can find to support that...

i really think its an analogy ur using to say u just dont train bis and tris together on d same day. hehe
and that any juice is fine? cos the carbs and sugars in the juice are good fuel for workout, doesnt matter what juice? lol

But i tot DL and kmaru train the Bicep & Tricep in same day called arm day. Refer to their log.
I'm Wrong??
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guys ...wanna ask..

for workouts ,
what is the differences between :

set X rep or set X do-until-failure ?
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guys ...wanna ask..

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X reps means you do X amount of reps.

Do until failure means you keep doing it until you cannot do another rep.
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But i tot DL and kmaru train the Bicep & Tricep in same day called arm day. Refer to their log.
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i duno lol i was just trying to make sense of the apple kiwi thing XD

but i think there r many different opinions re training these small muscles... some ppl say hving arm day on its own is overtraining these little muscles and will cause them to shrink since they r alrdy incorporated in ur other workouts.... and some say their arms wont grow unless they r pounded mercilessly in one long sesh.... so i really cant speak for that. just do what works for you.

with regards to bis and tris, i personally train them both on the same day cos i hate training arms (worst day of the week!!!) and lump them together so i can get them over with asap on one day, not stretched over 2 days. bleargh.

have tried training bis/tris on seperate days e.g chest + tri, back + bi.... really cannot cut it. im just too damn exhausted to work them properly
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QUOTE(arekey @ Dec 1 2010, 11:04 AM)
But i tot DL and kmaru train the Bicep & Tricep in same day called arm day. Refer to their log.
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Lol I think LV overanalyzed me. I do bi and tri same day.
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post Dec 1 2010, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(chicaman @ Nov 30 2010, 10:54 PM)
To be frank, hard gainer always say they eat a lot, but the fact is that they eat so little!!! A large meal from carls junior is so small~
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then wat u consider big? those guys big sizes also cannot finish the fries after finish the burgers...

when i just got back from houston last yr i had a hard time eating at cafeteria... the portion just too pathetic! and if i order "aunty, kar(add)dai(big), kar meat kar this kar that" and "tambah / besar" at malay stall, when i reached the table with my tray, ppl stare at me like one kind, especially wth my body&size...other girls normal size meal still have to take 1 extra bowl & share... sweat.gif

but last time eat till full without exercise is not so siok like now, after gym go chilies, steak, side dish whipped potatoes with extra mozzarella cheese sprinkles, onomnomnomnom... flex.gif


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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Nov 30 2010, 11:11 PM)
marie france models or any slimming centre models for tat matter are generally girls with skin and bone. sports models are girls with muscles with very low bf%.
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bf% close case for me, i sudah kahwin... lol

my hubby said i look nicer in evening dresses now, because shoulder rounded up and back got build... last time wear evening dress c bone sticking out only blush.gif

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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Dec 1 2010, 04:25 PM)
then wat u consider big? those guys big sizes also cannot finish the fries after finish the burgers...

when i just got back from houston last yr i had a hard time eating at cafeteria... the portion just too pathetic! and if i order "aunty, kar(add)dai(big), kar meat kar this kar that" and "tambah / besar" at malay stall, when i reached the table with my tray, ppl stare at me like one kind, especially wth my body&size...other girls normal size meal still have to take 1 extra bowl & share... sweat.gif

but last time eat till full without exercise is not so siok like now, after gym go chilies, steak, side dish whipped potatoes with extra mozzarella cheese sprinkles, onomnomnomnom...  flex.gif
What your training program look like?

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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Dec 1 2010, 03:25 PM)
then wat u consider big? those guys big sizes also cannot finish the fries after finish the burgers...

when i just got back from houston last yr i had a hard time eating at cafeteria... the portion just too pathetic! and if i order "aunty, kar(add)dai(big), kar meat kar this kar that" and "tambah / besar" at malay stall, when i reached the table with my tray, ppl stare at me like one kind, especially wth my body&size...other girls normal size meal still have to take 1 extra bowl & share... sweat.gif

but last time eat till full without exercise is not so siok like now, after gym go chilies, steak, side dish whipped potatoes with extra mozzarella cheese sprinkles, onomnomnomnom...  flex.gif


Added on December 1, 2010, 3:30 pm
bf% close case for me, i sudah kahwin... lol

my hubby said i look nicer in evening dresses now, because shoulder rounded up and back got build... last time wear evening dress c bone sticking out only blush.gif
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err...bf% = body fat %, not boyfriend....nothin to do with kahwin...hehehhee...

basically the fats coverin ur body...
low body fat % u can c more muscles(if any), but it can mean smaller breasts too, cos breasts r made up of fats
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QUOTE(arekey @ Dec 1 2010, 03:41 PM)
What your training program look like?
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am very dumb at exercise, hehe i just do what the PT said ... and then as much as possible on cardio machine cos my stamina sucks

QUOTE(ijnek @ Dec 1 2010, 03:44 PM)
err...bf% = body fat %, not boyfriend....nothin to do with kahwin...hehehhee...

basically the fats coverin ur body...
low body fat % u can c more muscles(if any), but it can mean smaller breasts too, cos breasts r made up of fats
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lol... i tot u said masculine girls low boyfren %... but everytime my pt works on my chest i got fuller breast, cos the upper part swollen... blush.gif
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as long as u enjoy ur trainin, everything's fine biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Dec 1 2010, 04:06 PM)
am very dumb at exercise, hehe i just do what the PT said ... and then as much as possible on cardio machine cos my stamina sucks
lol... i tot u said masculine girls low boyfren %... but everytime my pt works on my chest i got fuller breast, cos the upper part swollen...  blush.gif
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lucky u. i practically hv a man's chest. lol especially whn im dieting. my gym buddies r all WTF-ing. but now ive not a lil more "meat" there cos im not dieting and have put back around 10kgs tongue.gif but cant have it all.... i have thick rolls of meat on my waist too!

great that ur hubby is supportive! biggrin.gif many guys that i hv met say that they like active muscle girls... but whn it comes to the grind of dating a gym freak that eats 24/7 many draw the line too especially guys who dont workout themselves. so i went hunting in bodybuilding forums and shows and found my current bf.... XD

lol. jk. XD i think it's luck icon_rolleyes.gif diff gals attract diff men also~

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QUOTE(debbierowe @ Dec 1 2010, 03:25 PM)

Added on December 1, 2010, 3:30 pm
my hubby said i look nicer in evening dresses now, because shoulder rounded up and back got build... last time wear evening dress c bone sticking out only blush.gif
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If there was a 'Like' button, i would like this comment a thousand times. biggrin.gif
Girls look so much nicer with round delts and a V-shaped back.
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post Dec 1 2010, 08:47 PM

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Great post in bb.com sticky

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we get so many threads on here where  people list their various workout programs, or, where they complain that a certain bodypart is not growing and then list their current program and rep and set configurations......


fine.....but I love when people use expressions like:  " I throw in a couple of sets of lateral raises", for example, and then wonder why their lateral delts are not growing. 

or better yet, so clean and neat:  " I do 3 sets of this, and 3 sets of that " etc., as If it were a homework assignment!

here is an interesting quote from WIKIPEDIA on Training:






the first thing I highlighted was SPECIFIC GOALS:   just what ARE your goals??  to get bigger, regardless of stronger, to get stronger, regardless of bigger, to get defined, regardless of size,  to get bigger AND defined...etc......

I also highlighted CAPACITY:  Training involves improving or increasing capacity.

meaning:  if you are doing a neat little tidy program, where you "throw in "   3 sets of lateral raises, then what makes you think they are ever going to grow...

why should they???  what is the impetus, what is the forcing issue that makes the body WANT to prioritize them?


(please, keep in mind, that I am just using one muscle as an example)


So: with that in mind, why couldn't you do 5 sets, or 6 sets or whatever, in this case, of the lateral raises....or, why couldn't you do a pyramid styled workout similar to what you might do in benching.....

if you want a bigger chest, do you "throw in"  3 sets of benches for 8 sets each???   The guys who have built some really truly deep and big chests have POUNDED THE LIVING SHITE OUT OF THEM with benching, earlier on, or still now.....

what makes people think that only works for one particular exercise??

My point, and it just comes around to an old rant of mine, resurrected again, is that once you start thinking in terms of a regimented written down, cross off the list, check off the boxes approach to bodybuilding, you are already self limiting yourself, and holding yourself back....

if you are TRAINING, then you are out to also improve your capacity, and for one workout, or several workouts, that might mean simply doing more of something else....and why?? for no other reason than 3 sets might simply NOT be enough to stimulate a weak bodypart......


a variation of this is when people will come on here and say:  "  give me another exercise for lateral delts, because I already did 3 sets of those".....

but I say:  If you are getting a GREAT mind muscle connection with that movement, why move on to anything else???  instead of trying something else, which may not really hit that bodypart as well FOR YOU, why not simply DO MORE of what is working well for your body......


but if you are going to say  "  but I have already done what I was SUPPOSED to do in the workout plan", then forget about it, because in that case, I would have to say  F@#$ the plan and F@#$ the horse it rode in on!

NEVER LEAVE AN EXERCISE IF YOU ARE GETTING GREAT MIND MUSCLE CONNECTION FROM IT AND ARE DOING GREAT AND MEANINGFUL REPS!!


don't worry if you "Leave out" something else that was "planned"...so what??

what would you rather do, some meaningless and pointless exhausted sets of whatever, at the end of a workout, or more sets of a movement where YOU ARE COOKING??!!

never be a slave to a written routine.....your body will tell you, every workout, what the routine should be.....

if you are simply NOT connecting to a certain exercise on a given night, then by all means, don't beat a dead horse and move on, but conversely, don't leave it if you are grooving on it.....

and don't worry about doing more sets than you were supposed to at the end, because, as I said, if we are "TRAINING" we are looking to increase some sort of capacity somewhere along the line at all times.....


going back to the Wikipedia quote: don't "DABBLE"....don't do 3 sets of everything all neat and pretty....do what you HAVE TO DO to get the job done......improve your capability and capacity and performance....in a word:     TRAIN!!!!!!




Source link: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=116726611

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QUOTE(jamis @ Dec 1 2010, 08:47 PM)
Great post in bb.com sticky
Source link: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=116726611
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Great article, thanks for sharing!

On another note, just weighed myself, managed to reach my goal weight for November, 65kg. biggrin.gif
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anyone here taking BCAA?
when is the best time to take it?

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anyone here taking BCAA?
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IINM, best times are right before a workout, or sip it throughout your workout.
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hye,
I got a quest....

Its about stomach...

I understand.. tat.. when u exercise you build your muscles n burn your fats.... bt... if i hv been eating alot for past few years.. tongue.gif

Will the usus aso be big redi??? then hw to gt a flat one a??? as we exercise the usus can gt small aso a???
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QUOTE(elite87 @ Dec 2 2010, 09:20 AM)
hye,
I got a quest....

Its about stomach...

I understand.. tat.. when u exercise you build your muscles n burn your fats.... bt... if i hv been eating alot for past few years.. tongue.gif

Will the usus aso be big redi??? then hw to gt a flat one a??? as we exercise the usus can gt small aso a???
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Dec 2 2010, 09:39 AM)
Hi. Me no speaketh ur language. English pls.
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Opps sorry.... will put it back properly...

hye,
I got a question..

Its about stomach...

I understand that.. when you exercise you build your muscles and burn your fats but if i have been eating alot for past few years.. tongue.gif

Will the intestine also be big??? then how to gt a flat one a??? as we exercise the intestine can get small also a???


Hope you can understand now...........
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huh???
i was 90kg for a few yrs, now ard 68kg...
not sure abt the size of my internal organs, cos nvr open to check.

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QUOTE(ijnek @ Dec 2 2010, 09:53 AM)
huh???
i was 90kg for a few yrs, now ard 68kg...
not sure abt the size of my internal organs, cos nvr open to check.
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QUOTE(elite87 @ Dec 2 2010, 10:49 AM)
Opps sorry.... will put it back properly...

hye,
I got a question..

Its about stomach...

I understand that.. when you exercise you build your muscles and burn your fats but if i have been eating alot for past few years.. tongue.gif

Will the intestine also be big??? then how to gt a flat one a??? as we exercise the intestine can get small also a???
Hope you can understand now...........
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As long as you don't do the "Usus Lateral Raise", "Usus Curl" and "Usus Press".
Then they don't grow. Will remain same.
Avoid this exercise when you workout.
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QUOTE(arekey @ Dec 2 2010, 10:18 AM)
As long as you don't do the "Usus Lateral Raise", "Usus Curl" and "Usus Press".
Then they don't grow. Will remain same.
Avoid this exercise when you workout.
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What kind of exercise are those that can cause those things you mention above??

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QUOTE(jamis @ Dec 1 2010, 09:47 PM)
Great post in bb.com sticky
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Great Post!
This is what arnold write in his bodybuilding encyclopedia

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One of the ways you gauge your bodybuilding progress is the change
in where failure occurs during your training. As your individual muscle
fibers get stronger, you are able to recruit more of them and your body increases
its ability to deliver oxygen to the muscles during exercise (all components
of the overall training effect). As a result you will find you can do
many more reps with the same weight before hitting the failure point. This
is a sign you need to use more weight.
Of course, you aren't a machine, so the way you actually do your sets
is not that mechanical. Some sets need to be more demanding and more
intense than others. Here, for example, is a typical upper-body set for an
experienced bodybuilder:

FIRSTSET:a warm-up set with a lighter weight; 15 repetitions or slightly
more.
SECONDSET:Add weight so that the muscles fail at about 10 to 12
repetitions.
THIRDSET:Add more weight to bring the failure point down to 8 to 10
repetitions.
FOURTHSET:For maximum strength, add enough weight so your
muscles fail after only 6 repetitions (power set).
OPTIONALFIFTHSET:Use the same weight, try to get another 6 reps;
get some help from a training partner if necessary to complete the set
(forced reps).

Training this way gives you the best of all possible worlds: You start out
relatively light, which gives your muscles time to fully warm up for that
particular exercise; you go on to do slightly fewer reps with a heavier
weight, which forces lots of blood into your muscles and gives you a great
pump; and finally, you add more weight so that you are training relatively
heavy for power and strength.

Added on December 2, 2010, 11:42 amMore on Arnold Encyclopedia

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ECTOMORPH TRAINING
The extreme ectomorph's first objective is gaining weight, preferably in
the form of quality muscle mass. He will not have the strength and endurance
for marathon training sessions, will find that muscle mass develops
very slowly, and will often have to force himself to eat enough to
ensure continued growth. Therefore, for the ectomorph I recommend:

1. Include plenty of power moves for a program that builds maximum
mass. Yourprogram should tend toward heavy weight and low reps (in the
6- to 8-rep range after proper warm-up).
2. Learn to train intensely and make every set count. That way you
can keep your workouts relatively short and still make substantial gains
(perhaps 14 to 16 sets per major body part rather than 16 to 20). Make
sure to get enough rest between sets and give yourself enough time to recuperate
between workouts.
3. Pay careful attention to nutrition; take in more calories than you
are accustomed to, and if necessary, use weight-gain and protein drinks to
supplement your food intake.
4. Remember, you are trying to turn food energy into mass, so be careful
not to bum up too much energy with excessiveamounts of other activities
such as aerobics, running, swimming, and other sports. Some cardio
exercise is both desirable and necessary for good health, but anyone who
spends hours a day expending large amounts of physical energy outside the
gymwillhave a lot more trouble building muscle while in the gym.

MESOMORPH TRAINING
The mesomorph will find it relatively easy to build muscle mass, but will
have to be certain to include a sufficient variety of exercises in his program
so that the muscles develop proportionately and well shaped rather than
just thick and bulky. Therefore, for the mesomorph I recommend:

1. An emphasis on quality, detail, and isolation training, along with
the basic mass and power exercises.Youbuild muscle easily,soyou can begin
working on shape and separation right from the beginning.
2. Mesomorphs gain so easily that d1ey don't have to worry much
about conserving energy or overtraining. A standard workout of 16 to 20
sets per body part is fine, and you can train with as much or litde rest between
sets as suits you.
3. A balanced diet with plenty of protein which maintains a calorie
level that keeps the physique within 10 to 15 pounds of contest weight all
year long. No bulking up 30 to 40 pounds and then having to drop all of
that useless weight for competition.

ENDOMORPH TRAINING
Generally, the endomorph will not have too much difficulty building muscle,
but will have to be concerned with losing fat weight and then being
very careful with diet so as not to gain that weight back. Therefore, for the
endomorph I recommend:

1. A higher proportion of high-set, high-repetition training (no lower
than the 10- to 12-rep range), with very short rest periods so as to burn off
as much fat as possible. Doing a few extra sets of a few extra exercises
while you are trying to get lean is a good idea.
2. Additional aerobic exercise such as bicycle riding, running, or
some other calorie-consuming activity. Training in the gym burns calories,
but not as much as cardio exercise done on a continuous basis for 30 to 45
minutes or more at a time.
3. A low-calorie diet that contains the necessary nutritional balance. Not zero anything, but the minimum amount of protein,
carbohydrates, and fats, with vitamin and mineral supplements to be certain
the body is not being deprived of any essential nutrients.
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