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moe81
post Oct 29 2010, 02:43 PM

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Just a question.

How come we're not allowed to have discussion on gears?

wouldn't hindrance promote more ignorance?

I mean let's get fair about it, we discuss training, diet and nutritions in a professional level and yet we're not touching a strand on the 'love potion' most professional can't stay away from as if it's a taboo. it was back in the days. but ppl are being more open about it nowadays.

didn't mean to open my big mouth on touchy subject, but i'm sorry if i did.

Cheers.

This post has been edited by moe81: Oct 29 2010, 02:48 PM
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post Oct 29 2010, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(shanecross @ Oct 29 2010, 04:35 PM)
I think it all comes down to the legal nature of the substance/supplement. Its always an interesting subject when it comes to ergogenic aids, however this forum doesn't entirely consist of "mature" people who are willing to take things with a pinch of salt. You have high school students who read this forum, and if we start talking about non-legal substances, who knows what these jokers might do, haha.

Its not illegal when everyone is doing it...really... cool2.gif
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Bro,

thanks for the reply. would just like to clear it out that i don't have anything personnel against you.(just in case, if u decide to throw in personnel flamming) tongue.gif

but just for an argument sakes, please dun tell me there are no other illegal stuff being discussed in other thread of this forums. i can easily direct you to one. we discuss about keeping protected wild animal as pets in the 'pets wonderland' section. brows.gif

how would you classify that then? non-illegal. rclxub.gif

Kids don't really need to read it in forum to start doin stuff. forum provides a more learning base, for eg. ukmuscle.com.
when someones decides to juice, they'll do it regardless. but with discussions about it being available, they'd get more insights in it then blindly diving in(like most in malaysia does anyway) doh.gif

Peace.
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post Oct 29 2010, 08:49 PM

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Thanks shane. i guess we're in agrement in this topic. good to know. you too, lift hard man.
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post Nov 26 2010, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(chicaman @ Oct 11 2010, 08:55 PM)
Hmm, darklight79 takes 30++ daily, I take 10-15 daily, ken86 takes 20++ daily, pedro takes 12 daily and we are still here biggrin.gif
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Yea you are here.. but for how long? LOL.. just kiddin chicaman. i take 10 a day too..

my cholestrol level is slightly higher than normal. but that's due to heridetary and other factors(winny). but will get that in check when i get on that keto train by adding in plant sterol, niasin and dendelion extract.
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post Nov 26 2010, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(pedro @ Nov 26 2010, 11:13 AM)
You still cycling?

My friend monitored his cholesterol level before and after a cycle,was pretty bad during but back to normal after 2 months.
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yea. a short one(5 weeks). once i get on tha pct will also get the cholestrol in check. but my doses starts pretty heavy and tapers down gradually. thru lotsa trial and error found this manner works the best for me with tremendous gain.
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post Nov 26 2010, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(pedro @ Nov 26 2010, 11:49 AM)
That's good,everybody has a different response to dosage and duration.

Always wanted to try but never really did,i'll probably give myself a few more years!
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let me know, i'll gladly give you some points on different substance and especially pct. most important period of a cycle. a good closure. lotsa ppl tend to overlook pct, and to avoid muscle loss they resort to prolonged use of substance, causing further suppression to HPTA and compromising their vitals.
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post Nov 29 2010, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinftg @ Nov 28 2010, 10:39 PM)
It has become quite apparent that by not doing close grip bench presses, be it flat, incline or decline, has resulted in the mid section (longkang lol) of my chests being underdeveloped...

A rough layout of my chest day routine. I sometimes substitute dumbbells for the bench presses.

Flat barbell bench press
Incline barbell bench press
Decline smith bench press
Cable flyes
Flat / Incline Dumbbell flyes
Dips
Dumbbell pullover
Finished with few isolation exercises

Guess I have to include close grip bench presses from now onwards....

Edit: If I am wrong, please enlighten me bros. As I do know that close grip bench presses mainly target the triceps.
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Hmm, all that workout for chest in a single visit? how many sets and reps do you do for each exercise? judging from ur avatar and assuming u're still the same size. U're pushing urself too much brother. u could be ovetraining unless u're sneaking in some external substance to help you out with the recovery. if not, i'd really suggest with 4-5 exercise max for ur chest.

here's a reference for ur benefit:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/behar2.htm
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post Dec 15 2010, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Dec 14 2010, 05:14 PM)
Not exactly. Same will apply to naturally gained muscle if one stops working out too. You can keep the juicing gains with proper PCT but that is another story.
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U got the words right outta my mouth bro. I'm glad i share the same opinion as you. for u being the big guy in here. thumbup.gif

A proper pct is more complex than juicing. just some food for thought.
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post Dec 16 2010, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(John91 @ Dec 15 2010, 11:28 PM)
What I heard from a lot of local bodybuilders is that they skip pct and replace it with lots of coconut water. They claims it helps and they have no side effects from juicing.  hmm.gif
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Yea bro.. i've heard it before too.. that's just uttering crap. i mean, i've posted this on few international forums askin their opinion. and some of the forums even have endocrinologist BBs. they all say it's bs.

i mean, come on now. althoug coconut water has been used as IV drip in thrid world country during war, what does it gotta do with suppression recovery from AAS secretion?

how many body builders in malaysia actually knows what's HPTA(hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis) and effects of it. That's just one side. ppl always talkin about those not so serious sides wheres HPTA suppression is the most serious side due to AAS secretion.

leave alone all the common sides that most of ya'll know, here are some more serious sides

BPH-Benign prostatic hyperplasia
Male pattern baldness
Gyno
and more estrogen related sides.


Note: i'm not directly talking about AAS here. it's more of a discussion of awareness for the problems due to AAS secretion.

perhaps our own doctor BB(darklight79) can give some views. will be appreciated.
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post Dec 21 2010, 09:54 AM

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what's black powder???
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post Dec 25 2010, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Dec 24 2010, 09:22 PM)
My Christmas binge:-
2 large plates of white rice
Half a pot of curry chicken
4 servings of spaghetti bolognaise
1 loh mai kai
2 slices of large Hawaiian Domino's pizza

Amen.
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Can u really finish all that in a single meal??? My my, i hope not...


QUOTE(mizivincible @ Dec 25 2010, 10:05 AM)
Morning fellas,

How do you guys train two bodyparts at the same time ? I tried to but hardly focus on the other part after one. eg: Let say I planned to train on back and biceps, after finish back workout and Im totally drained out.

Back -

Deadlift
Seated row
Dumb bell row
Cable lat pull down
Butterfly

I end up splitting my training 4-5 days a week (Just afraid that I dont have enough rest and recovery). Any tips/advices ?

p/s : One day I'd love to sit at same table with darklight79, the meal you had is like family bucket haha tongue.gif
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Well, if u think it's too much for ya, do three(3) workout for a body part. i just moved from 3 to 4 workouts for bigger muscle groups.
pay more attention to ur contraction.
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post Jan 5 2011, 07:43 PM

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Hahahaha, bring it on.

Ken, i'm counting on you on this.. LOL.

darkie, can take the seat next to you and hear out ue views on this while muchin on the fries u prepared? tongue.gif
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post Jan 6 2011, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jan 5 2011, 08:37 PM)
Lol... high sodium boss. Both of us kena water retention, ain't good but what the heck. I haven't taken part in an active spat for quite a while, I prefer to lay back now. I think I'm getting old. =(
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Water? i'm already full of it.. LOL. Things are just heating up. murder scene boss.. guess who's being murdered. LOL.. U're getting old? I guess i'm right behind ya..


QUOTE(shanecross @ Jan 6 2011, 09:53 AM)
I'm just going to sit back and probably join daklight and moe, if you big fellas don't mind a little fella sitting through. I am also very keen in his take on prepping for raw/equipped powerlifting meet.
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No prob bro..

Ken is someone i never wanna mess with. that's why i stay away from posting any smarty-art comments.. LOL
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post Jan 10 2011, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(mizivincible @ Jan 9 2011, 04:42 PM)
Hello guys,

I've been wondering this since I started lifting seriously 1 and a half month ago. Hoping anyone can enlighten me up on this.

First of all, my initial stats were 181cm, 83-84kg, somewhere around 17-20% body fat. Im aware that more muscle mass = faster fat burn. After lifting awhile I read up that high body fat percentage slows down the rate of muscle growth, that one should cut first before clean bulk. Currently my stats are 181cm, somewhere around 87-88kg, and I believe the body fat stays the same (mirror indicator tongue.gif)

My questions would be -

1. Is it necessary to cut down first at this stage ? I believe I've gained some mass through out my training. If I go back from scratch (lower down my body fat to reasonable amount then only start lifting hard and bulk) , will my 1 and half month hard work go to waste ?

2. Or, should I continue bulking but introduce more cardio (HIIT especially) perhaps 3 times a week ? Another thing I read was you should only do cardio 1-2 times a week during bulking phase (but Im not sure whats the condition for that, maybe for person who has below 13% bf ?)

3. Or, actually its too soon to tell ? Just continue what Im doing (3-4 days training with different body parts, 1-2 days of basketball/badminton, once or twice cardio per week) and eventually the body fat percentage will go down and at the same time increasing muscle mass ?

I'll continue doing research and studies on my own, experiment with my body, I just hope to get it right, dont want to prolong something that's wrong. Hope for guidance from all of you.

Thanks in advance.

p/s: Off to train !
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hmm, i dun do cardio at all at this point of time and my bodyfat % pretty much stays the same. first of all, for someone started lifting 1+ months ago, u really no need to be worrying about your hard work goin to waste.
Pls dun get me wrong, but lotsa ppl get into weight lifting with the idea of working out till they get a good physique, and to stop. i just need to put that straight since u're at a very early stage of lifting. like all say, body-building is not a sport but a lifestyle.

Now let's get back to business. Don't worry about what ppl do and what their goals are. but u need to get urs straight. it's all about how u wanna look and what u wanna see in the mirror. And u work towards it in the right direction. we can just point out some directions for u, but it's entirely ur decision.

if u wanna shed some bodyfat %, just throw in some HIIT cardio coupled with a controlled diet. now u dun hae to be very strict about it, as long as ur carbo intake is lesser than usual. u'll gradually loose some bodyfat. since u have a long way ahead of u, dun have to rush anything. just make an experience out of ur journey. there'll definately be some trial and errors. there's no one thing that works for everybody. every body is different and will respond differenly to different things. it's a matter of finding the right things that works for u the best.

Now Good luck.



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post Jan 18 2011, 10:12 AM

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Damn Darkie.. speechless la bro.. Giler!!!
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post Mar 22 2011, 03:31 PM

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The muscle will start breking down if u try to maintain shreded like that all year long. he's on stage guys. get the knot off ur panties and get out of there. that 4% or so bodyfat ain't gonna cut it. it's even pretty hard to maintain a 11% which what i am now.

it'll be task to actually stay that shredded and put on muscle mass(without substance) without pushing your muscle into atrophy.

so get real guys. stop looking at all these pro BB's and ask for tips to achive what they have.

if u're actually asking for tips like that, it's clear that u have not digested even the simplest science of muscle growth. Get reading!

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