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post Oct 23 2013, 07:05 PM, updated 12y ago

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What Item that can bring into Singapore with applicable import permit or authorization from respective authorities of Singapore?

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Employments:
Job opportunities are always available for those with higher education level & in-demand work experience. The following are the list of available online job sites:
1. Jobstreet
2. Contact Singapore
3. Jobs Central
4. JobsDB
5. eFinancialCareers.sg

MOM Pass Category as of 1/7/2013

Work Permit Less Than S$2200

S Pass More Than S$2200 ,less than S$3000

E Pass (Q1) More than S$3000

E Pass (P2) More than S$4500

E Pass (P1) More than S$8000

Q/A:

1. Is there any difference between all these passes above?
YES and NO

YES: You may only apply credit card in Singapore with S pass above for most financial institution in Singapore
YES: If you need to bring in your spouse and unmarried or legally adopted children below 21 year into Singapore with Dependant Pass, you pass must be E Pass (Q1) above and earn more than S$4000
YES: For E Pass, you may use the Autogate in Changi Airport , no need to go through ICA checkpoint.

NO: You can work in Singapore with either of these passes.



The List above will change every half year as per planned by MOM. Please note that your salary will not directly correspond to the pass directly due to quota reason etc.

The most effective but expensive method is to do it the old fashion way. Come over to Singapore, flip through the recruitment newspaper and apply for your job through the company itself. This way, you're almost guaranteed to be in front of the queue from those who applied through Jobstreet. You can also attend their interviews without any delays while you're here in SG. Do note that you can only stay 30 days at a time, and a total of only 60 days out of every 90.

Various employment passes are available to enable you to work in Singapore depending on your skills and pay. Employers will help you in the application of passes. Your job is however pending on the approval of the pass. Information of types of passes are available through MOM's website. Do not worry of what passes you get. Eventually all will allow you to work in SG. Some do fuss about it due to "status" and extra benefits (i.e: credit card and contract phone applications). Just be hardworking and move up the passes or apply directly for PR few years down the road.

All you need to know about PR application and requirements are available here: http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151&secid=150

Please take note that ex Singaporean PRs who renounced their status without serving the National Service will have their job and employment pass applications greatly degraded.

CPF and Taxes:
Malaysians working under employment/work passes are exempted from paying CPF. Singapore PRs have to contribute to CPF according to the rates found here: http://mycpf.cpf.gov.sg/Employers/Gen-Info...ri/ContriRa.htm

As for the complicated tax returns, i'll just provide the website so everyone can search under their own categories. http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page01.aspx?id=88

Accomodations:
HDBs everywhere! Prime and new areas should cost around SGD600 and above per room (with or without utilities). You can still find small & cramped sub-SGD400 per room in remote or rundown areas. If you can afford the luxury, apartments and condos are the way to go. SGD1000 onwards per room is the current market price. Normally comes with swimming pool and gym facilities.

Below are some useful sites:
http://www.flatsdb.com/
http://www.hdbflat.blogspot.com/
http://singapore.roomsdb.net/
http://easyroommate.com.sg/
http://www.sg-house.com/
http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/

Transportation:
No need to describe any further. Been compared and discussed too many times between SG and MY. In SG, you can be anywhere in the island just by using public transport. The all too convenient EZ link card can be used in both MRT and bus (even McD yeah!). For places out of reach, taxi is the answer. Don't worry, you won't get touted with expensive fares. They are a bunch of professionals with accurate meters. First entry onto cab is SGD2.80 or SGD3.00. The rest runs on meter plus any surcharges from tolls, airport surcharge or stopping period. If you are travelling in group of 4, taxi is the cheaper option on certain routes compared to others.

Coach: http://www.journeymalaysia.com/ptasingapore.htm
SBS bus maps: http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/iris3/nextbus.aspx
MRT maps: http://www.smrt.com.sg/trains/images/tn_networkmap_big.jpg
Directions: http://gothere.sg/maps or http://maps.google.com.sg/

Malaysians can drive in their Malaysian registered cars/bikes to work in SG but you must pay the S$20 VEP fee for Car and S$4 for motorcycle per day and also toll charges applicable depending on vehicle type and point of arrival/departure (Tuas/Woodlands Checkpoint).ERP charges apply if you are entering city area at certain period. More info here:http://www.lta.gov.sg/content/ltaweb/en/ro...oll-charge.html

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However, any work pass holder, who is not a resident of Singapore, may drive a foreign-registered vehicle in Singapore only if ALL these conditions are met:

He is the registered owner of the vehicle.
He resides outside Singapore.
He has a valid insurance certificate and road tax to use the vehicle on Singapore roads.
The vehicle is kept or used outside Singapore for a total period of 6 hours or more every day.
The vehicle has an Autopass Card to validate its entry/ exit at Woodlands and Tuas Checkpoints and to pay for VEP/ toll charges.


For SG PRs, you must drive Singapore registered vehicles. More info here: http://www.lta.gov.sg/content/ltaweb/en/ro...-a-vehicle.html

Further Information about Converting your MY license to SG license:

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Officially Malaysian converting to Singapore driving license has to 'surrender' or have their M'sian driving license revoked.

Officially there is a law that requires our Malaysian driving licence revoked if anyone would like to convert the licence to a Singapore driving licence. See the extract below from the JPJ Driver’s Education Curriculum handbook (on page 113 – 114). It does add on that one can still get back a Malaysian driving licence and that whilst holding a Singapore driving licence one can still drive a Malaysian registered car in Malaysia and Singapore.

So to say JPJ blacklist your Malaysian driving license is not correct and misguided, they are just doing their job as required by law. However many would like to keep both driving license, hence the 'extortion'.

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Expenses:
This is very subjective depending on the spending power of different individuals. But here are the basic breakdowns on rough estimates:
1. Accoms SGD600 (varies)
2. Food SGD500 (varies)
3. Transport SGD60
4. Entertainment SGD300 (strip it off if wanna save)
5. Shopping $$$

TO CHECK FOR YOUR PR APPLICATION STATUS, KINDLY VISIT THIS LINK
https://ienquiry.ica.gov.sg/index.do

TO CHECK EP APPLICATION STATUS, VISIT THIS LINK
https://eponline.mom.gov.sg/epol/PEPOLENQM0...isplayAction.do


Childcare Cost:

as per attachmentAttached File  Childcarecost_NTUCMyfirstskool.pdf ( 171.12k ) Number of downloads: 283


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post Oct 23 2013, 07:06 PM

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i. Beginner to Intermediate level, guy or gal welcome
ii. Please bring your own badminton racquet.
iii. Shuttlecocks will be provided (Yonex Aerosensa 40/50)
iv. S$6-S$8 per session, for court rentals & shuttlecocks
v. First come first serve. Limit of 6 pax per court. Please pm mackiddo or deodorant if you would like to join.

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Please be considerate to give others chance to play. Please do NOT stay on the court to continue to play after your game ends when others are waiting.


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Ms Michelle Qiu, 20, passed up offers from a top US college and a local university to become an oil trader, but she faced some initial opposition from her parents, who believed she should get a degree before working full-time.

Despite scoring straight As for her A-level examinations in 2011, the Raffles Girls' and Raffles Junior College alumnus passed up offers from a top college in the United States and a local university.

- See more at: http://business.asiaone.com/personal-finan...h.VtwDrhWG.dpuf
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Oct 24 2013, 12:08 AM)
this is serious thread ok... no spamming

for Cattitude, an inspiring story...

University studies can wait

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Ms Michelle Qiu, 20, passed up offers from a top US college and a local university to become an oil trader, but she faced some initial opposition from her parents, who believed she should get a degree before working full-time.

Despite scoring straight As for her A-level examinations in 2011, the Raffles Girls' and Raffles Junior College alumnus passed up offers from a top college in the United States and a local university.

- See more at: http://business.asiaone.com/personal-finan...h.VtwDrhWG.dpuf
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good thread for those who are working in singapore! haha...=)
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Anyone here can intro me a recruitment agent? thanks
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Can, as long as you wear bikini . Mr president will absorb you into his team
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Check out these 10 strangest requests from Singapore bosses

2 in 5 employees get non-work-related tasks.

If you have received a really bizarre request from you employer at least once in your life, then you are not alone.

According to JobsCentral, nearly 2 in 5 Singapore workers (39%) say they've received requests from their bosses that had nothing to do with their job scope.

In addition, 21% of respondents say the requests were downright absurd.

JobsCentral compiled the following list of the top 10 strangest requests from Singapore bosses:

1. Dress up as Batman for a client meeting
2. Swap all my pink office stationery with hers (blue) because she dislikes blue!
3. Wait in my boss’s car and look out for traffic police. His car was parked illegally at a double-yellow-line lane
4. Find a dog that does not bark.
5. Do homework for my boss's children
6. Bear his traffic offense!
7. Take his shoes to all the cobblers around my office area to compare prices, just because the nearest cobbler charges $13 for mending fees
8. Book a hotel room under my name and credit card, and then lie to my boss's wife when she called the office
9. Draft my boss's appeal letter to LTA for his traffic summon. The letter was well received by the LTA folks, who let my boss off with a stern warning. I was given time-off for it.
10. Get a refund for an item he purchased three years ago!

- See more at: http://sbr.com.sg/hr-education/news/check-...h.kBXQ1AbB.dpuf

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Don't spam. Provide valuable information to other forumers pls.
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post Oct 25 2013, 09:38 AM

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Please refrain yourself from making this thread a chat thread, it is considered spamming. This is a kind reminder.

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rejected the offer from singapore recently, decided to stay in own country.
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QUOTE(candle @ Oct 25 2013, 10:08 AM)
rejected the offer from singapore recently, decided to stay in own country.
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i rejected offer from HK, middle east and from own country to stay in Singapore... sooo whistling.gif whistling.gif

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QUOTE(candle @ Oct 25 2013, 10:08 AM)
rejected the offer from singapore recently, decided to stay in own country.
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QUOTE(ivanswk @ Oct 25 2013, 10:34 AM)
i rejected offer from HK, middle east and from own country to stay in Singapore... sooo  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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No right no wrong, one man's meat is another man's posion. Work at where ever you think worth, not to mock others for their choice based on your perspective.
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QUOTE(ivanswk @ Oct 25 2013, 10:34 AM)
i rejected offer from HK, middle east and from own country to stay in Singapore... sooo   whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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So...this is not considered spam? How is this helpful?

Agree with Fiona. No need to mock others for their choice based on your own just for the sake of showing off..
Malaysia do have a lot of good opportunities but the only downside is the safety and currency issue. I don't mind going back to work in Msia if my pay is 8k and above tbh.

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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Oct 25 2013, 10:49 AM)
No right no wrong, one man's meat is another man's posion. Work at where ever you think worth, not to mock others for their choice based on your perspective.
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agree, prefer to contribute to own country instead.
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QUOTE(candle @ Oct 25 2013, 11:22 AM)
agree, prefer to contribute to own country instead.
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Yes, contribute to own country but that depends on how well your country treats you..
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QUOTE(tengah @ Oct 25 2013, 11:24 AM)
Yes, contribute to own country but that depends on how well your country treats you..
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foreign country treats you better?
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QUOTE(candle @ Oct 25 2013, 11:35 AM)
foreign country treats you better?
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If your own country treats you like a foreigner, or even treat foreigners better than you, got difference meh?
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QUOTE(puppyee @ Oct 25 2013, 11:44 AM)
If your own country treats you like a foreigner, or even treat foreigners better than you, got difference meh?
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it is very subjective. I feel my country treats like as a first class citizen. how about you?
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QUOTE(puppyee @ Oct 25 2013, 11:44 AM)
If your own country treats you like a foreigner, or even treat foreigners better than you, got difference meh?
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it is very subjective. I feel my country treats like as a first class citizen. how about you?
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QUOTE(candle @ Oct 25 2013, 11:35 AM)
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OWN country treats me a foreigner. PENDATANG to be exact!!! sweat.gif
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QUOTE(candle @ Oct 25 2013, 03:59 PM)
it is very subjective. I feel my country treats like as a first class citizen. how about you?
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QUOTE(candle @ Oct 25 2013, 03:59 PM)
it is very subjective. I feel my country treats like as a first class citizen. how about you?
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Like u said, subjective as well.

When it comes to job, tons of offers and when employer is very keen to hire, of course I feel like first class citizen. Food and lifestyle is really good.

But when my government tells me to go back to china, when I feel scared like death when I see policemen in the middle of the night after OT, when I feel so unsafe even when pumping petrol and my government tells me that malaysia is super safe; lu tak suka, lu keluar, I feel worse than foreign workers.

At least indons got paid to become a citizen of the country where I was born and grew up in and I pula yang jadi pendatang dari China.

At least in Singapore, doesn't hurt so much being called foreigner. Feel safe also.
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I'm planning to immigrate to the Singapore in the future. But my first question is, how are Malaysia's Degree view in Singapore? Be it a private or a government sector, do they recognize it? And also, will there be any differences between ipts and ipta in the Singapore?
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QUOTE(babycry123 @ Oct 25 2013, 07:49 PM)
I'm planning to immigrate to the Singapore in the future. But my first question is, how are Malaysia's Degree view in Singapore? Be it a private or a government sector, do they recognize it? And also, will there be any differences between ipts and ipta in the Singapore?
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Generally no difference after some years of working experience, but some jobs that are regulated need your degree to be recognized by those professional bodies. Check with them for your case.
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QUOTE(puppyee @ Oct 25 2013, 11:07 AM)
So...this is not considered spam? How is this helpful?

Agree with Fiona. No need to mock others for their choice based on your own just for the sake of showing off.. 
Malaysia do have a lot of good opportunities but the only downside is the safety and currency issue. I don't mind going back to work in Msia if my pay is 8k and above tbh.
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Rm8k also not worth it, security is priceless.. If u get rape n stuffed in a suit case or shot on the head wif a shotgun, chat will be very sad.. In sg at most u will get spit (saliva not royal white stuff) upon by singkiemang or treathened by sg commando delta force

QUOTE(babycry123 @ Oct 25 2013, 07:49 PM)
I'm planning to immigrate to the Singapore in the future. But my first question is, how are Malaysia's Degree view in Singapore? Be it a private or a government sector, do they recognize it? And also, will there be any differences between ipts and ipta in the Singapore?
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Depending on the position n kpi of that job.. If sales it doesn't matter, if general business role usually it is discounted..
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QUOTE(RabbitS @ Oct 25 2013, 09:46 PM)
Rm8k also not worth it, security is priceless.. If u get rape n stuffed in a suit case or shot on the head wif a shotgun, chat will be very sad.. In sg at most u will get spit (saliva not royal white stuff) upon by singkiemang or treathened by sg commando delta force
Depending on the position n kpi of that job.. If sales it doesn't matter, if general business role usually it is discounted..
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after i rejected my previous offer haihs... kinda regret no more interviews coming around.. dunno what to do cause dunno how long more can i last in this stupid company of mine haihs stupid culture sad.gif
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QUOTE(RabbitS @ Oct 25 2013, 09:46 PM)
In sg at most u will get spit (saliva not royal white stuff) upon by singkiemang or treathened by sg commando delta force
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Ha ha... good one. biggrin.gif

By the way, he's busted. Mindef confirms he is fake commando. blush.gif

Somehow you know real commando won't anyhow behave like that drool.gif
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for a thought experiment

will singles like me get the recently announced BRIM of Rm300 since my monthly income is technically RM 0 ? smile.gif
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QUOTE(tengah @ Oct 26 2013, 12:27 PM)
Ha ha... good one.  biggrin.gif

By the way, he's busted. Mindef confirms he is fake commando.  blush.gif

Somehow you know real commando won't anyhow behave like that  drool.gif
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Don't understand why like so many siao lang likes to self proclaim that they're commando. The fat guy who shouted in the library as well. Mindef sure is busy lately.
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QUOTE(LiangZhuge @ Oct 26 2013, 02:00 PM)
for a thought experiment

will singles like me get the recently announced BRIM of Rm300 since my monthly income is technically RM 0 ? smile.gif
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Yes, register at https://ebr1m.hasil.gov.my/

See also https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3007814




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QUOTE(puppyee @ Oct 26 2013, 04:52 PM)
Don't understand why like so many siao lang likes to self proclaim that they're commando. The fat guy who shouted in the library as well. Mindef sure is busy lately.
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Empty vessels make the loudest noise.. especially the fat guy at the library.





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is there a limit of 60k salary per annum to apply for credit card in singapore?
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is there a limit of 60k salary per annum to apply for credit card in singapore?
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The minimum income required to apply for a credit card in Singapore is $30,000 per annum.








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QUOTE(tengah @ Oct 27 2013, 01:23 AM)
The minimum income required to apply for a credit card in Singapore is $30,000 per annum.
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I think it depends which bank and whether you are Singaporean/PR or working pass holder.
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QUOTE(tengah @ Oct 27 2013, 01:23 AM)
The minimum income required to apply for a credit card in Singapore is $30,000 per annum.
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QUOTE(Argiope @ Oct 27 2013, 02:04 AM)
I think it depends which bank and whether you are Singaporean/PR or working pass holder.
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Minimum income $30,000 pa is a MAS requirement.

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I think it depends which bank and whether you are Singaporean/PR or working pass holder.
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Ya, SC/PR minimum 30k for the lowest card. Foreigner higher depending on banks. Normally 50-60k, heard HSBC is 40k, best bank in SG. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Oct 27 2013, 11:28 AM)
Ya, SC/PR minimum 30k for the lowest card. Foreigner higher depending on banks. Normally 50-60k, heard HSBC is 40k, best bank in SG. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Ya, SC/PR minimum 30k for the lowest card. Foreigner higher depending on banks. Normally 50-60k, heard HSBC is 40k, best bank in SG. icon_rolleyes.gif
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eh why is hsbc the best? lol
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is there like a certain minimum months of payslip i need to show before i apply, eg 3 months?
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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Oct 27 2013, 09:49 AM)
eh why is hsbc the best? lol
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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Oct 27 2013, 12:53 PM)
is there like a certain minimum months of payslip i need to show before i apply, eg 3 months?
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Hmm, apasal don't bother check the bank website leh? whistling.gif

https://www.hsbc.com.sg/1/2/miscellaneous/i...upport-document
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with due respect to those that criticizing your homeland (sounds like no hope in your country) and with so much of ill feelings, has anyone of you in the process of giving up your nationality ? if yes, it is understood. If not, why then ? Perhaps mind to share ? Thanks.
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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Oct 27 2013, 05:48 PM)
with due respect to those that criticizing your homeland (sounds like no hope in your country) and with so much of ill feelings, has anyone of you in the process of giving up your nationality ? if yes, it is understood. If not, why then ? Perhaps mind to share ? Thanks.
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You might want to define the concepts of criticism and ill feeling. We criticise what is wrong and unjust. And we bear deep ill feeling towards those people who do wrong things and perpetrate & perpetuate injustice.

But that is not necessarily criticism or ill feeling towards our homeland. Our homeland is not defined by the people who do her wrong. The concept of loving Malaysia is not inseparable from the hating of its politicians or disdain for certain sections of its society and their philosophies.

My nationality is between me and my country. It is not interrupted by the idiocy of its current government nor the corruption, prejudice, racialism or religiosity of some of my more immoral countrymen.

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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Oct 27 2013, 05:48 PM)
with due respect to those that criticizing your homeland (sounds like no hope in your country) and with so much of ill feelings, has anyone of you in the process of giving up your nationality ? if yes, it is understood. If not, why then ? Perhaps mind to share ? Thanks.
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I could love my country without loving my government.
If I been absorb by the new country, I'm the first to drop my citizenship but I will apply PR in Malaysia. Problem? I love Malaysia but not BeEnd
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thank you for the feedback. are you making this homeland a better place to live ? if you do not take up the new citizenship, what would you do after you have retired ?
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base on the reasons given for leaving your homeland and reside in a new place, are those reasons a non existence in where you are staying and working now ? You are not treated as foreigners ? You get the same pay amount as their own citizens with the same amount of opportunities in careers ?
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base on the reasons given for leaving your homeland and reside in a new place, are those reasons a non existence in where you are staying and working now ? You are not treated as foreigners ? You get the same pay amount as their own citizens with the same amount of opportunities in careers ?
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Assuming you are not a bloody anti-Singapore troll, Singapore is one of the most open and fair-minded countries to work in i.e. one is limited mostly by one's own ability and not by any nep hogwash that a foreigner or even Malaysians face in bolehland.
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QUOTE(Argiope @ Oct 27 2013, 04:41 PM)
Because HSBC feeds her every month. rclxms.gif

Hmm, apasal don't bother check the bank website leh? whistling.gif

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QUOTE(bellion @ Oct 27 2013, 09:24 PM)
Assuming you are not a bloody anti-Singapore troll, Singapore is one of the most open and fair-minded countries to work in i.e. one is limited mostly by one's own ability and not by any nep hogwash that a foreigner or even Malaysians face in bolehland.
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You mean those who make it in the homeland are not of their own capabilities and abilities despite obstacles and challenges faced like anyone else ?

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You mean those who make it in the homeland are not of their own capabilities and abilities despite obstacles and challenges faced like anyone else ?
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Who are these "anyone else"?

As with trolls, you choose to ignore the elephant in the room called the NEP/Ketuanan Melayu/cronyism.
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Exactly, with these obstacles and hurdles, many of your countrymen and ladies still make it at their homeland. Where are you now despite in the foreign land and with all fairness so to say ? Did you achieve there better than when in your own country ? Share your achievements there. Thanks.
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thank you for the feedback. are you making this homeland a better place to live ? if you do not take up the new citizenship, what would you do after you have retired ?
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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Oct 27 2013, 08:08 PM)
base on the reasons given for leaving your homeland and reside in a new place, are those reasons a non existence in where you are staying and working now ? You are not treated as foreigners ? You get the same pay amount as their own citizens with the same amount of opportunities in careers ?
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So, are you making your homeland better place to live, by staying there?

We are being treated fairly here, at least better when compared to back home. Not based on race, skin colour and religion, mostly based on merits. We get the same pay and same amount of opportunities as locals do, except for some highly sensitive jobs. But I don't think I will have the chance to be involved in those kind of job in MY anyway.

We have a very good life because we are rewarded accordingly to our hard work, not according to who you are connected with.

To be fair, there are some benefits that SG citizens have but we don't, but that is their country's policy to protect their own citizens. I don't feel MY is protecting my benefits, or my safety when I staying in my own house.

BTW, its not like you want to take up a citizenship here then they approve you straight away. Think anyhow they give you new passport like those mangala in MY? I rejected my invitation for SC, as far as I know few of the people here also rejected their SC invitation. My government still need me, fixed d for the government, hidup Budget 2014!

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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Oct 27 2013, 12:53 PM)
is there like a certain minimum months of payslip i need to show before i apply, eg 3 months?

can check the banks' websites for details, but I think mostly just one month payslip can liao. If memory serves me right.
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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Oct 27 2013, 08:46 PM)
Exactly, with these obstacles and hurdles, many of your countrymen and ladies still make it at their homeland. Where are you now despite in the foreign land and with all fairness so to say ? Did you achieve there better than when in your own country ? Share your achievements there. Thanks.
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Why does my particular success concern you?

Success or failure doesn't offset the prevalence of social injustice in Malaysia.


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A final word of warning to robertchoo - you are turning this into a personal running battle with me at the expense of the quality of the discussion in this sub-forum.

Persist and I will immediately report your postings to the moderators.

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base on the reasons given for leaving your homeland and reside in a new place, are those reasons a non existence in where you are staying and working now ? You are not treated as foreigners ? You get the same pay amount as their own citizens with the same amount of opportunities in careers ?
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Based on what I experience, I been treated in both countries as pendatang. My own homeland, I have to survive based on inequality and accept any rules and regulation based on theirs preference. However when I'm in Sg, I'm subject to the fair basis principle, survivor of the fittest and not subject to seniority or even race and nationality.

Hope that you make your point clear, I love Malaysia, if possible I would like to contribute which I already doing it for the last few years before I left the country by paying tax.

What do I get in return, in terms of sociology, security, economically and lastly fairness?

Even when I'm retired, I'm trying my best to making sure I will back to Malaysia spend my last few years there but not my kids. I rather them spend theirs teenage in a country that could add better value to them in theirs life.

All above is my own living value. My humble 2cents.

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actually its the citi cc which require foreigners to earn at least 60k pa to apply for their cards. i guess i will stick with my posb debit card for now..
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QUOTE(keeganz @ Oct 28 2013, 12:48 AM)
Based on what I experience, I been treated in both countries as pendatang. My own homeland, I have to survive based on inequality and accept any rules and regulation based on theirs preference. However when I'm in Sg, I'm subject to the fair basis principle, survivor of the fittest and not subject to seniority or even race and nationality.

Hope that you make your point clear, I love Malaysia, if possible I would like to contribute which I already doing it for the last few years before I left the country by paying tax.

What do I get in return, in terms of sociology, security, economically and lastly fairness?

Even when I'm retired, I'm trying my best to making sure I will back to Malaysia spend my last few years there but not my kids. I rather them spend theirs teenage in a country that could add better value to them in theirs life.

All above is my own living value. My humble 2cents.
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this is how i felt too. studied until pre u in msia, studied uni at oz, now going to start work in sg. feel like pendatang in all these 3 countries.
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what's that MOM's regulation on Fair Practice for the employers to adhere to ? Not to take in foreigners for lower pay scale ? At least advertise for fourteen days, to hire their own citizens first and foremost. Fair minded and most open ? Go to causeway and do a survey and let us know the salaries for foreigners. Thanks.
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Not everyone who work in SG is getting lesser than theirs Singaporean counterpart. Do bear in mind, the employer hire the candidate is based on theirs own merits and capabilities.

I could assure you that some of the Malaysian is getting more than the local there by doing the same job and some of them is even leading or heading a team.

Don't be a hatred, open your mind wide and understand that if be given a choice who would leave theirs homeland and work abroad.

If you are chinese and Indian , ask your grandparents.
They would understand this theories well.

If you are one of the NEP benefactor, continue with your mindset. God bless you
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I wonder why u guys are going on and on at each other's throat when the enemy of our beloved country is known by all. U like sg, good for u, work there stay there make babies there, who gives a shit? Won't affect anyone but urself. If u like Malaysia, stay and contribute. If u like to bash either countries, well, bash. If one does not have the capacity to receive criticism and then process it and then decide if it's plain bullshit or there's actually room for improvement, well good job, what's the difference between u and a tyrant? Well i guess at least the tyrant can decide the fate of millions but u can only sit behind ur pc or laptop and type ur life away.

Go to sleep. Monday is coming so take a chill pill.

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Just to seek some opinion here..I considering an opportunity to relocate to SG..considering that I have a commitment in the form of a house in KL..I am wondering if it makes any sense to move over to SG ..(take the salary equation aside as I would be earning more or less the same amount of salary both in KL & SG as it is a company relocation)..From a tax / quality of life (living in a rented room vs a house of your own for example) / cost of living perspective..would like views from you guys who have worked or working in SG to contribute your 2cents..thanks!
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QUOTE(alvo @ Oct 28 2013, 12:48 AM)
Just to seek some opinion here..I considering an opportunity to relocate to SG..considering that I have a commitment in the form of a house in KL..I am wondering if it makes any sense to move over to SG ..(take the salary equation aside as I would be earning more or less the same amount of salary both in KL & SG as it is a company relocation)..From a tax / quality of life (living in a rented room vs a house of your own for example) / cost of living perspective..would like views from you guys who have worked or working in SG to contribute your 2cents..thanks!
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a. Tax wise, better of in SG as the tax rates are much lower (almost a good 6-7% less of ur annual salary.. ie RM60k taxed at 10% vs S$60k taxed at 4% effective)
b. Quality of life - really depends on how you define it. if you want big house and your own car and have your extended family nearby (assuming ur from KL), msia wins. if you want convenience and relatively good public transport, singapore wins. (and I believe this changes as you age, and as you have kids)

A few things to think about is in terms of stress levels. Stress levels of a RM5k job and a S$5k is different. (i dunno how others feel, but I feel that it's bloody competitive here and that drains me on a day to day basis. Some are invigorated by the challenge, so yea.. depends on what kind of person you are)
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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Oct 28 2013, 01:14 AM)
a. Tax wise, better of in SG as the tax rates are much lower (almost a good 6-7% less of ur annual salary.. ie RM60k taxed at 10% vs S$60k taxed at 4% effective)
b. Quality of life - really depends on how you define it. if you want big house and your own car and have your extended family nearby (assuming ur from KL), msia wins. if you want convenience and relatively good public transport, singapore wins. (and I believe this changes as you age, and as you have kids)

A few things to think about is in terms of stress levels. Stress levels of a RM5k job and a S$5k is different. (i dunno how others feel, but I feel that it's bloody competitive here and that drains me on a day to day basis. Some are invigorated by the challenge, so yea.. depends on what kind of person you are)
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Yeap, you are right. Your perception started to change when you grow older. Some of them choose to back to Malaysia to have their life but some convert to Singapore citizen.

Some of them do not want the stress anymore when they are old while some already used to it to live in Singapore. Different people different perception.
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Yeap, you are right. Your perception started to change when you grow older. Some of them choose to back to Malaysia to have their life but some convert to Singapore citizen.

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Just to seek some opinion here..I considering an opportunity to relocate to SG..considering that I have a commitment in the form of a house in KL..I am wondering if it makes any sense to move over to SG ..(take the salary equation aside as I would be earning more or less the same amount of salary both in KL & SG as it is a company relocation)..From a tax / quality of life (living in a rented room vs a house of your own for example) / cost of living perspective..would like views from you guys who have worked or working in SG to contribute your 2cents..thanks!
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Quality of life = better in terms of safety.

Cost of living = cheaper with your strong dollar.
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I've made it.. !! Start work on Monday !!

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I've made it.. !!  Start work on Monday !!

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congra ? what job and where is the location?

wish you will have a nice and smoth career in SG.
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congra ? what job and where is the location?

wish you will have a nice and smoth career in SG.
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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Oct 27 2013, 08:08 PM)
base on the reasons given for leaving your homeland and reside in a new place, are those reasons a non existence in where you are staying and working now ? You are not treated as foreigners ? You get the same pay amount as their own citizens with the same amount of opportunities in careers ?
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Leaving Malaysia to work in Singapore is just like working in an A company to a B company.

Due to career prospect and also better salary. I believe this is the two things that come into every Malaysian mind when they start working in Singapore.

We do not really felt we are foreigners here, because we are just working, and the citizens are very much alike with our homeland. The food, the culture and the buildings are kinda similar.

You really felt that your are a foreigners here, when you have kids, and start to have a family here. For instance, you can't buy those govt house and also enjoy their privileges here. Other than that, if you are just working here, you can make a decent career progress here.

To answer your questions, I get offered the same salary as I did at Malaysia. Dollar to dollar. Most companies here do not care what nationality you are, as long as you can work and have good attitude here, they will promote you and give you many opportunities.

It's just like a Penang guy coming to KL to work. We can always travel back to our homeland once a while.


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Congrats to you. I got a job too thumbup.gif jz came back from signing the offer.

I wonder what is the next step I have to do in order to apply the S Pass.

My manager told me they will help to submit but once ok I need to collect letter from company then medical check up then take the report to company again then collect the S Pass. I am abit confuse rclxub.gif

Anyone any ideas? I wonder why I need to travel so much to my company...
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Congrats to you.  I got a job too  thumbup.gif  jz came back from signing the offer.

I wonder what is the next step I have to do in order to apply the S Pass.

My manager told me they will help to submit but once ok I need to collect letter from company then medical check up then take the report to company again then collect the S Pass. I am abit confuse  rclxub.gif 

Anyone any ideas? I wonder why I need to travel so much to my company...
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After your S Pass is approved , you need submit some document ( Application doc + others ) + medical checkup report , and then go Collect the S Pass

Its actually quite simple.

So when your S Pass approved, get the document from your company and go to the panel clinic for medical check up. Get the medical check up report, make an appointment with MOM to submit your documents. Then wait to collect your S Pass work permit.

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QUOTE(be_happy @ Oct 28 2013, 05:00 PM)
Congrats to you.  I got a job too  thumbup.gif  jz came back from signing the offer.

I wonder what is the next step I have to do in order to apply the S Pass.

My manager told me they will help to submit but once ok I need to collect letter from company then medical check up then take the report to company again then collect the S Pass. I am abit confuse  rclxub.gif 

Anyone any ideas? I wonder why I need to travel so much to my company...
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I believe it is the same for everyone mate for that process. Unless you get the company to courier the paperwork to you perhaps?

You will need to bring the letter to the hospital to go through the blood test, urine test, x - ray. Remember to set appointment and not just walk in. else you have to join the standard queue for registration which may waste more time (note i did medical check in Raffles hospital, Bugis)

After that have to bring another letter to the Ministry of Manpower, with passport size photos to apply for the SP. Do not be afraid if you dont have the photos handy as there is a Photo shop right next door. They will need your finger prints and what not hence why you have to be there. However for the pass collection i did not have to do it as the company sends someone to collect it on my behalf.

It may differ as i applied under EP.
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QUOTE(phenally @ Oct 28 2013, 05:17 PM)
After your S Pass is approved , you need submit some document  ( Application doc + others ) + medical checkup report , and then go Collect the S Pass

Its actually quite simple.

So when your S Pass approved, get the document from your company and go to the panel clinic for medical check up. Get the medical check up report, make an appointment with MOM to submit your documents.  Then wait to collect your S Pass work permit.
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QUOTE(witchx @ Oct 28 2013, 05:17 PM)
I believe it is the same for everyone mate for that process. Unless you get the company to courier the paperwork to you perhaps?

You will need to bring the letter to the hospital to go through the blood test, urine test, x - ray. Remember to set appointment and not just walk in. else you have to join the standard queue for registration which may waste more time (note i did medical check in Raffles hospital, Bugis)

After that have to bring another letter to the Ministry of Manpower, with passport size photos to apply for the SP. Do not be afraid if you dont have the photos handy as there is a Photo shop right next door. They will need your finger prints and what not hence why you have to be there. However for the pass collection i did not have to do it as the company sends someone to collect it on my behalf.

It may differ as i applied under EP.
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My workplace is at Aljunied. Izzit possible for me to take my letter and straight go to do the medical check up? I don't want to travel up and down.

Which mean I have to make an appointment for my medical check up and MOM to submit?

Thanks alot !
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Thanks alot for the info.
My workplace is at Aljunied. Izzit possible for me to take my letter and straight go to do the medical check up? I don't want to travel up and down.

Which mean I have to make an appointment for my medical check up and MOM to submit?

Thanks alot !
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You can go to any clinic that provide medical checkup for work permit.
And also clinic to do x-ray.

In my case, i just walk in to a clinic that belong to my boss's friends to do medical checkup.
Then I have to go to another clinic to do x-ray since the first clinic no xray service.

After that you have to wait a few days to get result.
You can either go collect the result from clinic or they send it to MOM for you.
Then u make appt with MOM after they receive your medical report.

Better go to less popular ones, so shorter queue, but make sure they have x-ray service as well , so no need to run a few places.

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You can go to any clinic that provide medical checkup for work permit.
And also clinic to do x-ray.

In my case, i just walk in to a clinic that belong to my boss's friends to do medical checkup.
Then I have to go to another clinic to do x-ray since the first clinic no xray service.

After that you have to wait a few days to get result.
You can either go collect the result from clinic or they send it to MOM for you.
Then u make appt with MOM after they receive your medical report.

Better go to less popular ones, so shorter queue, but make sure they have x-ray service as well , so no need to run a few places.
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okok... but do my company need the medical report result also?
Or I just send to MOM?
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okok... but do my company need the medical report result also?
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I've made it.. !!  Start work on Monday !!

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Congrats to you.  I got a job too  thumbup.gif  jz came back from signing the offer.

I wonder what is the next step I have to do in order to apply the S Pass.

My manager told me they will help to submit but once ok I need to collect letter from company then medical check up then take the report to company again then collect the S Pass. I am abit confuse  rclxub.gif 

Anyone any ideas? I wonder why I need to travel so much to my company...
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congrats  rclxms.gif  pm mackiddo or deodorant for vvip membership to men exclusive club  brows.gif
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no need pm.....he works at aljunied....so near already..... icon_idea.gif
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okok... but do my company need the medical report result also?
Or I just send to MOM?
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in my case, i've done my medical check up and the panel clinic send the result to my company. then my company phone me and say i can start work already and they will issue the s pass on that day i start work.
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congrats  rclxms.gif  pm mackiddo or deodorant for vvip membership to men exclusive club  brows.gif
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Hi ... Sorry for noob question, what is the meaning for principal pass-S and subsidiary pass-R ?
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Hi ... Sorry for noob question, what is the meaning for principal pass-S and subsidiary pass-R ?
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wondering which pass rank is higher, S-Pass or EP? hmm.gif
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Just to seek some opinion here..I considering an opportunity to relocate to SG..considering that I have a commitment in the form of a house in KL..I am wondering if it makes any sense to move over to SG ..(take the salary equation aside as I would be earning more or less the same amount of salary both in KL & SG as it is a company relocation)..From a tax / quality of life (living in a rented room vs a house of your own for example) / cost of living perspective..would like views from you guys who have worked or working in SG to contribute your 2cents..thanks!
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But no more house. HDB flat, not unless you can afford private condo or house in Singapore.


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i am wondering,

how does a company help you in getting a PR?
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i am wondering,

how does a company help you in getting a PR?
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To be eligible for PR, you need an work pass ( P, Q or S ) for the "workers" category. Other categories are Investors/Entrepreneurs and spouses of citizens and PR.

Since you mentioned company, you should be applying under the "workers" category.

The company plays a critical role in your PR application because the company will be filling up the Annex A to Form 4A. It is a one page form with questions about the company and your job that your company will answer.

Please note, however, the company in filling up Annex A does NOT mean the company is sponsoring you.




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no need pm.....he works at aljunied....so near already..... icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(tengah @ Oct 29 2013, 10:05 AM)
To be eligible for PR, you need an work pass ( P, Q or S ) for the "workers" category. Other categories are Investors/Entrepreneurs and spouses of citizens and PR.

Since you mentioned company, you should be applying under  the "workers" category.

The company plays a critical role in your PR application because the company will be filling up the Annex A to Form 4A. It is a one page form with questions about the company and your job that your company will answer.

Please note, however, the company in filling up Annex A does NOT mean the company is sponsoring you.
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Yeah. Company promised to help me get the PR.

But i am still waiting for the right time. as I am just here for like 7 months+ with a S pass.

I don't think my chances will be high. wondering when is the right time..
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QUOTE(xtylish @ Oct 29 2013, 10:30 AM)
Yeah. Company promised to help me get the PR.

But i am still waiting for the right time. as I am just here for like 7 months+ with a S pass.

I don't think my chances will be high. wondering when is the right time..
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They can only help you to fill the Annex A. Nothing else. All the PR criteria is based on you and your competency. Nothing to do with your company.
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If I'm not mistaken, you need a referral letter from your previous employer too. I remember requesting for that when I applied for mine. Not too sure if your previous is not based in singapore though.

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Annex A, as the name itself is self explanatory, is not crucial
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can i know if there's any place or contact or recommendation that allow me to rent a room for weekly basis?

as i will be traveling around and am not staying in SG all the time..

maybe around 3-5days per month..if rent a room for whole month, it's kinda pricey and wasted..

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QUOTE(GiNgEr^fIsH @ Oct 29 2013, 11:11 AM)
If I'm not mistaken, you need a referral letter from your previous employer too. I remember requesting for that when I applied for mine. Not too sure if your previous is not based in singapore though.
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when i submit mine, my company just say its only a letter from my current company. need to state u work here since when, how much salary u are getting and your position in the company.
that's it. And i got my application approved within a month. that time i only work in SG ngam ngam 2 years. I am S pass holder. no Degree and travel JB to SG on daily basis.
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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ Oct 29 2013, 01:14 PM)
when i submit mine, my company just say its only a letter from my current company. need to state u work here since when, how much salary u are getting and your position in the company.
that's it. And i got my application approved within a month. that time i only work in SG ngam ngam 2 years. I am S pass holder. no Degree and travel JB to SG on daily basis.
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S pass holder can direct apply for PR?
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Congrats Lester. I was an EP holder for 3 years and I still had to wait for 3 months.
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what is the benefit of a Singapore PR beside buying resale HDB flat and better employment opportunities, as in non monetary benefit?


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what is the benefit of a Singapore PR beside buying resale HDB flat and better employment opportunities, as in non monetary benefit?
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Not much different if you are single ,
If you are married with kids, then the PR makes a lot of sense in terms or education for you kids, medication, childcare center.


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what is the benefit of a Singapore PR beside buying resale HDB flat and better employment opportunities, as in non monetary benefit?
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- Don't need to renew every 1 or 2
- lifetime driving license
- higher chance to win the prize in any contest; Singapore IC Nmbr
- CPF contribution
- lower medical and educational bill
- many more.
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Just to seek some opinion here..I considering an opportunity to relocate to SG..considering that I have a commitment in the form of a house in KL..I am wondering if it makes any sense to move over to SG ..(take the salary equation aside as I would be earning more or less the same amount of salary both in KL & SG as it is a company relocation)..From a tax / quality of life (living in a rented room vs a house of your own for example) / cost of living perspective..would like views from you guys who have worked or working in SG to contribute your 2cents..thanks!
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X2 currency = X2 workload&stress
X2 security
X2 cleaner
X2 oversea trip per year
X2 effective transportation system
X2 of your living room = 1 HDB 3 rooms unit
X2 opportunities
X2 restaurants and oversea outlets
X2 healthier meal; less oily less salt
X.02 work days; lesser public holidays
Monthly salary also X2 happy&satified. Hehe

/2 for things when you back to MY

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QUOTE(GiNgEr^fIsH @ Oct 29 2013, 01:43 PM)
Congrats Lester. I was an EP holder for 3 years and I still had to wait for 3 months.
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Congrats SG, another one contributing to cpf hehe.
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- Don't need to renew every 1 or 2
- lifetime driving license
- higher chance to win the prize in any contest; Singapore IC Nmbr
- CPF contribution
- lower medical and educational bill
- many more.
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Own a landed property or whole building.
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Own a landed property or whole building.
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what is the benefit of a Singapore PR beside buying resale HDB flat and better employment opportunities, as in non monetary benefit?
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Can join SDN, no need to be forever alone ~~~ biggrin.gif

http://app.sdn.sg/AboutSDN.aspx


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is there a limit of 60k salary per annum to apply for credit card in singapore?
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Full list --> Here
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Oh thanks for sharing.
I've been here for like.. 10 months and I've yet to get a single credit card. (granted I only applied for 2 and got rejected for both).

Haha.
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QUOTE(xtylish @ Oct 29 2013, 02:30 AM)
Yeah. Company promised to help me get the PR.

But i am still waiting for the right time. as I am just here for like 7 months+ with a S pass.

I don't think my chances will be high. wondering when is the right time..
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Continue to sit on your male bosses lap lar, like last time, 1 week from clerk can promoted to team leader. Sure help you take pr. Impossible is nothing.
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How much salary I should look for in Sg with my 2 years working experience in Australia as IT Support?

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QUOTE(Metatron90 @ Oct 29 2013, 01:17 PM)
S pass holder can direct apply for PR?

WP also can apply, nothing stopping you.

QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Oct 29 2013, 02:15 PM)
what is the benefit of a Singapore PR beside buying resale HDB flat and better employment opportunities, as in non monetary benefit?

If you are the elite category who can afford multi room condo and send your kids to International School then PR is pretty worthless. If you like the other 85% of non elites then it's good to apply just to get the 3 year HDB waiting period clock ticking down ASAP.
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QUOTE(keeganz @ Oct 29 2013, 02:19 PM)
Not much different if you are single ,
If you are married with kids, then the PR makes a lot of sense in terms or education for you kids, medication, childcare center.
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education for school - might have some level of priority over EP holder, but not much subsidy - normal school fee for PR child is $109 vs $363 non pr
childcare center - no more discount or subsidy as getting full. (will attach more info - to provide insights for married couple with child coming to sg)

no idea on medication as my comparison of going to poly vs private normal clinic (those 24hrs) - not much different

it makes difference when u are hospitalised.

hihihehe depends on industry and your skills. typical IT support would be roughly ~$2.5k - $3k as a start
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citibank wants 3 month salary slips before can apply, also want 3000 upfront.. which i dont have now -.-

btw q1 ep easy to get pr? any benefit of pr for a single person?
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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Oct 29 2013, 09:34 PM)
citibank wants 3 month salary slips before can apply, also want 3000 upfront.. which i dont have now -.-

btw q1 ep easy to get pr? any benefit of pr for a single person?
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CPF...switch jobs easily...
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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Oct 29 2013, 09:34 PM)
citibank wants 3 month salary slips before can apply, also want 3000 upfront.. which i dont have now -.-

btw q1 ep easy to get pr? any benefit of pr for a single person?
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Eh, I thought you doctor or working with MOH?
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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Oct 29 2013, 09:34 PM)
citibank wants 3 month salary slips before can apply, also want 3000 upfront.. which i dont have now -.-

btw q1 ep easy to get pr? any benefit of pr for a single person?
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funny coz citibank never ask me put s$3k upfront
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They can only help you to fill the Annex A. Nothing else. All the PR criteria is based on you and your competency. Nothing to do with your company.
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got.. company plays a big role... if they really wanna help, they can bump ur title and pay up so u can get ur pr

QUOTE(GiNgEr^fIsH @ Oct 29 2013, 01:43 PM)
Congrats Lester. I was an EP holder for 3 years and I still had to wait for 3 months.
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QUOTE(siberfriend @ Oct 29 2013, 02:23 PM)
- Don't need to renew every 1 or 2
- lifetime driving license
- higher chance to win the prize in any contest; Singapore IC Nmbr
- CPF contribution
- lower medical and educational bill
- many more.
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the best of all, funding from gov for studies.... i work 4 years, pay no tax... get funding for education rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif isnt that great? i wub.gif wda
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Does a Malaysian contribute to CPF when he is NOT Spore PR?



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I didn't know there was such thing as a Q1 EP.
All this while I know there is P1 and P2.
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I love this quote: "Don't kill yourself working this weekend, but I still need that pitch book by Monday morning," says the managing director on a Friday afternoon...

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Is Goldman Sachs Going Soft?
2013-10-29 21:22:12.264 GMT
By Matthew C. Klein

    Oct. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Bloomberg News reports that the life of a young investment banker may be getting a lot better, at least for those who work at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. Instead of demanding 100-hour work weeks that include frequent all-nighters and weekends, the bank is now discouraging fresh college grads from coming into the office on Saturdays and Sundays and aiming to "give analysts more-predictable working hours."

    The simple explanation is that Goldman is trying to retain its best talent. Bloomberg News quotes Goldman's co-head of investment banking as saying that he wants "our analysts to be here for a career." Right now, top investment banks pay their young pups as much as $140,000 a year only to have the best of them leave for the sunlit uplands of private equity and hedge funds as soon as they start getting good at their jobs.

    Banks find this trade worthwhile because, as my colleague Matt Levine notes, they work their analysts like dogs. It does tend to encourage the most capable workers to leave as soon as possible, however. Those who remain, or those who join banks after business school as associates, may not be as talented.

    From this perspective, making life better for the best entry- level employees in exchange for decades of committed service would be a good example of Goldman's tendency to be "long-term greedy."

    Assuming the higher-ups actually enforce the new policy -- "Don't kill yourself working this weekend, but I still need that pitch book by Monday morning," says the managing director on a Friday afternoon before walking out the door -- it isn't clear whether the analysts would get paid as much under the new regime. Cutting hours by as much as half while keeping compensation constant would be a huge pay increase. Cutting both hours and pay (with lower bonuses), on the other hand, might be a clever way to help the bank adjust to coming structural changes in the market for big expensive deals.

    There is some evidence to suggest that this may be a consideration behind Goldman's push for fewer working hours.
Andrew Ross Sorkin's latest column describes the falling value and volume of global mergers and acquisitions. One possibility is that companies have finally realized that many mergers are a bad idea. After all, when academics studied more than 12,000 deals made by public companies from 1980 to 2001, they found that these deals ended up destroying a total of $218 billion of shareholder value. Most of that value was destroyed by the biggest combinations, which also happen to be the most profitable ones for investment bankers.

    This global trend might be affecting the section of Goldman's investment banking division that handles mergers and acquisitions. The financial advisory unit, which also advises companies on, among other things, divestitures and risk management, brought in less net revenue over the past four quarters than over any other comparable period since the recession ended.

    Investment banking as a whole has been sustained by a white hot debt underwriting business, although rising interest rates and an increasingly cautious Federal Reserve don't bode well for the future. Goldman has been cutting costs -- especially compensation -- just to prevent profits from shrinking. (The bulk of those cuts have probably been concentrated in Goldman's trading business, which is much larger than its advisory and underwriting businesses.)

    Paying workers less -- and cutting their hours -- would be a reasonable response to a world in which there is less work to be done.

(Matthew C. Klein is a writer for Bloomberg View. Follow him on Twitter.)

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Interesting. 5 years back I was working in singapore but nowaday I'm still in Singapore but no longer working because I start my own business.
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QUOTE(seantang @ Oct 27 2013, 06:18 PM)
You might want to define the concepts of criticism and ill feeling. We criticise what is wrong and unjust. And we bear deep ill feeling towards those people who do wrong things and perpetrate & perpetuate injustice.

But that is not necessarily criticism or ill feeling towards our homeland. Our homeland is not defined by the people who do her wrong. The concept of loving Malaysia is not inseparable from the hating of its politicians or disdain for certain sections of its society and their philosophies.

My nationality is between me and my country. It is not interrupted by the idiocy of its current government nor the corruption, prejudice, racialism or religiosity of some of my more immoral countrymen.
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+100. Fully second this statement which is factual and unemotional.

I would like to add on by saying that our nationality or citizenship is not adulterated (or made inferior) by the idiocy of the current administration and/or its corrupt practices, prejudice, racialism, religious bigotry of some of our more immoral countrymen no matter how lowly some Singaporeans think of us (as being poor, uneducated and 3rd world) and how highly they think of themselves.

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Oct 30 2013, 08:11 AM)
No, CPF only for SC and SPR

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==== Cancelled the above because @deodorant removed the Chicken Rice link from the Signature =====

==== Update #2: now the link on the Signature came back ====

Anyway, forget about this, it's not important drool.gif



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QUOTE(tengah @ Oct 30 2013, 12:20 PM)
==== Cancelled the above because @deodorant removed the Chicken Rice link from the Signature =====

No I didn't ... not yet, anyway. New blog post come then only I'll change, for now is still chicken rice lol.

To me it's worth it to go once (only) just for the sake of saying 'yes I've eaten at that chicken rice place.' But for a return visit no way biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Oct 30 2013, 01:58 PM)
No I didn't ... not yet, anyway. New blog post come then only I'll change, for now is still chicken rice lol.

To me it's worth it to go once (only) just for the sake of saying 'yes I've eaten at that chicken rice place.' But for a return visit no way biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tengah @ Oct 30 2013, 12:20 PM)
About that Chicken rice at Chatter Box. S$32 for chicken rice is a rip off no matter how good it is or if it is at a hotel. There are better things to eat for $32.
You should try their laksa, rojak and ice kacang. Just as pricey. Bad if you have to pay out of your own pocket, but good if you have a company credit card.

But despite the prices, the place is full most of the time.

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Interesting. 5 years back I was working in singapore but nowaday I'm still in Singapore but no longer working because I start my own business.
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QUOTE(tengah @ Oct 30 2013, 12:20 PM)
About that Chicken rice at Chatter Box. S$32 for chicken rice is a rip off no matter how good it is or if it is at a hotel. There are better things to eat for $32.

==== Cancelled the above because @deodorant removed the Chicken Rice link from the Signature =====

==== Update #2: now the link on the Signature came back ====

Anyway, forget about this, it's not important  drool.gif
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All the food outside are rip off anyway. Depend on how much you are already used to being rip off and how much you are willing to be rip off for something new.
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QUOTE(tengah @ Oct 30 2013, 12:20 PM)
About that Chicken rice at Chatter Box. S$32 for chicken rice is a rip off no matter how good it is or if it is at a hotel. There are better things to eat for $32.
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seriously I don't know why ppl would pay so much for chicken rice. I tried a number of times, on company expenses, the chicken rice is great but still too expensive.
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$32 for a chicken rice? -____- And I thought chicken rice shop was overpriced...
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is it one of the section in S pass form 8?
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Hi, is any one from IT field / programmer work in SG now? How is the software / IT industry there?

I'm a degree freshgrad, and thinking to try some career opportunity at SG. Currently working in a bank's IT department @ KL for less then 3 months period.

How is the salary range for a Msian at there?
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Hi, is any one from IT field / programmer work in SG now? How is the software / IT industry there?

I'm a degree freshgrad, and thinking to try some career opportunity at SG. Currently working in a bank's IT department @ KL for less then 3 months period.

How is the salary range for a Msian at there?
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the only programmer i know here made $8k/month fresh before bonus... after 4 years, he's making $13k/month for basic, i heard bonus was last 18 months...
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QUOTE(seantang @ Oct 30 2013, 02:35 PM)
You should try their laksa, rojak and ice kacang. Just as pricey. Bad if you have to pay out of your own pocket, but good if you have a company credit card.

But despite the prices, the place is full most of the time.
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So pricey for hawker food at the hotel.. if I go to hotel to eat, I would pay to eat "hotel" food.

For "luxury" hawker food, I would just go to lau pa sat. Price still above average at lau pa sat compared to hawker centres but cheaper than Chatter Box. But no air con at lau pa sat cry.gif





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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Oct 30 2013, 03:08 PM)
All the food outside are rip off anyway. Depend on how much you are already used to being rip off and how much you are willing to be rip off for something new.
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Yes, outside food is a rip off, nowadays hawkers can charge as much as $10, on the extreme side, particularly when you pick more meat.

Sometime back, this guy was charged like $600 for ordering crabs, something like that.















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QUOTE(tengah @ Oct 31 2013, 09:09 AM)
Yes, outside food is a rip off, nowadays hawkers can charge as much as $10, on the extreme side, particularly when you pick more meat.

Sometime back, this guy was charged like $600 for ordering crabs, something like that.
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Even for the cheapest HDB's kopitiam you can get, I would say the material cost price is only 20 to 30 per cent of what you paying if you cook yourself at home. The 70 per cent you paying for the extra oil, salt and unknown chemicals. Only the rich and healthy can dine out everyday hehe.
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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Oct 31 2013, 01:22 PM)
Even for the cheapest HDB's kopitiam you can get, I would say the material cost price is only 20 to 30 per cent of what you paying if you cook yourself at home. The 70 per cent you paying for the extra oil, salt and unknown chemicals. Only the rich and healthy can dine out everyday hehe.
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The 70% is for the time & effort required if you had to shop for the ingredients, cook it and wash up afterwards yourself.

The food is not going to shop itself into your fridge and cook itself onto your plate.

It's a trade off each of us has to decide for ourselves. Is the time required for you to shop, cook and wash - worth more or less than the 70% value add you pay to the stall? If your time is less valuable, then do it all yourself by all means. But if you deem your time to be more valuable, then so be it. Eat out.

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QUOTE(jeffer @ Oct 30 2013, 10:41 PM)
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eh, asking questions for a friend with family thinking to relocate to SG.

a. how much are childcare/nursery costs here. assuming kid 1 - 4 years old.
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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Oct 31 2013, 03:44 PM)
eh, asking questions for a friend with family thinking to relocate to SG.

a. how much are childcare/nursery costs here. assuming kid 1 - 4 years old.
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http://www.pcf.org.sg/viewarticle.aspx?wfc=KINDERGARTENINFO
http://www.ntucfirstcampus.com/
600-700 before subsidy, very long Q

i went private 800+ per month, just below my flat

higher end 1.5k also have http://www.josiah.com.sg/
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another problem is can your fren be on time to fetch them after work sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ivanswk @ Oct 31 2013, 05:06 PM)
http://www.pcf.org.sg/viewarticle.aspx?wfc=KINDERGARTENINFO
http://www.ntucfirstcampus.com/
600-700 before subsidy, very long Q

i went private 800+ per month, just below my flat

higher end 1.5k also have http://www.josiah.com.sg/
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another problem is can your fren be on time to fetch them after work  sweat.gif
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can use this also...faster especially if u know where u going to stay/work
http://www.childcarelink.gov.sg/ccls/home/CCLS_Home.jsp

i heard my ex-colic...her child care, late 1 minute fine SGD1 sweat.gif sweat.gif

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i heard my ex-colic...her child care, late 1 minute fine SGD1  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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is true, even my current one also have this penalty sweat.gif
anyway i tend to have the helper to fetch him early
quite sad u know sad.gif
when your boy seeing another kid go home, they run to the exit waiting to be fetch sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ivanswk @ Oct 31 2013, 05:06 PM)
http://www.pcf.org.sg/viewarticle.aspx?wfc=KINDERGARTENINFO
http://www.ntucfirstcampus.com/
600-700 before subsidy, very long Q

i went private 800+ per month, just below my flat

higher end 1.5k also have http://www.josiah.com.sg/
sweat.gif
another problem is can your fren be on time to fetch them after work  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Oct 31 2013, 05:22 PM)
can use this also...faster especially if u know where u going to stay/work
http://www.childcarelink.gov.sg/ccls/home/CCLS_Home.jsp

i heard my ex-colic...her child care, late 1 minute fine SGD1  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ivanswk @ Oct 31 2013, 05:29 PM)
is true, even my current one also have this penalty  sweat.gif
anyway i tend to have the helper to fetch him early
quite sad u know sad.gif
when your boy seeing another kid go home, they run to the exit waiting to be fetch  sweat.gif
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Hey thanks guys. From the sounds of it, seems really quite tough innit.
And he doesn't have a car..
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Hi, I recently just got a job offer from singapore but I have yet receive any offer letter..

However, I spoke to the HR on the phone saying I got the job and will will to apply EP for me..

But the question is 'Is it possible to apply EP without me signing any offer letter?'

I am quite confused here..


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QUOTE(whatla @ Oct 31 2013, 05:39 PM)
Hi, I recently just got a job offer from singapore but I have yet receive any offer letter..

However, I spoke to the HR on the phone saying I got the job and will will to apply EP for me..

But the question is 'Is it possible to apply EP without me signing any offer letter?'

I am quite confused here..
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EP is with the Ministry of Manpower(MOM) SG....even if you have signed on the offer letter...if your EP/SPass/Work pass is not granted from MOM..its still a NO GO....so your answer to your question is depends...even if the company offers u and u sign...there will be a term/clause to say that if MOM rejects your 'whatever' work permit/pass that offer letter is no longer valid...

OR

the other way to look at it is that the company will give you an offer letter once they have a greenlight from MOM to get u onboard their company..

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QUOTE(whatla @ Oct 31 2013, 05:39 PM)
Hi, I recently just got a job offer from singapore but I have yet receive any offer letter..
However, I spoke to the HR on the phone saying I got the job and will will to apply EP for me..
But the question is 'Is it possible to apply EP without me signing any offer letter?'
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It's possible. The offer letter serves to protect you more than the employer. If you don't feel safe, just insist you wish to pay a visit to sign the offer letter.
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QUOTE(whatla @ Oct 31 2013, 05:39 PM)
Hi, I recently just got a job offer from singapore but I have yet receive any offer letter..

However, I spoke to the HR on the phone saying I got the job and will will to apply EP for me..

But the question is 'Is it possible to apply EP without me signing any offer letter?'

I am quite confused here..
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They can help u apply and get the IPA first
once u get the IPA, it's most likely secured
before that, dun make anything drastic
get the IPA from ur future employer first
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QUOTE(tailtwist @ Oct 31 2013, 05:43 PM)
EP is with the Ministry of Manpower(MOM) SG....even if you have signed on the offer letter...if your EP/SPass/Work pass is not granted from MOM..its still a NO GO....so your answer to your question is depends...even if the company offers u and u sign...there will be a term/clause to say that if MOM rejects your 'whatever' work permit/pass that offer letter is no longer valid...

OR

the other way to look at it is that the company will give you an offer letter once they have a greenlight from MOM to get u onboard their company..
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Ohh okay!! This could explain why the company have yet to send me the offer letter.. cos its been 4 days since i was confirmed..

May I know how long for the confirmation from MOM to the company?
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IPA == In-principle approval by MOM to company, so that the company may go ahead and hire that person stated in the IPA letter
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QUOTE(seantang @ Oct 31 2013, 02:44 PM)
The 70% is for the time & effort required if you had to shop for the ingredients, cook it and wash up afterwards yourself.

The food is not going to shop itself into your fridge and cook itself onto your plate.

It's a trade off each of us has to decide for ourselves. Is the time required for you to shop, cook and wash - worth more or less than the 70% value add you pay to the stall? If your time is less valuable, then do it all yourself by all means. But if you deem your time to be more valuable, then so be it. Eat out.
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I would see it as my health is more valuable than anything else money can buy. Strong believer of "you are what you eat", who knows what ingredients they are serving outside.

On weekdays, we probably spent around 2 hours preparing, cooking, eating and dish washing for 2/3 dishes and 1 soup. Money spent roughly about 300 for 2 person per month, 5 days per week. I don't know how much I need to earn to make spending 2 hours to cook more valuable than eating outside. 5 dollar per hour?

Waiting for the chicken soup to be done then have our 30 minutes dinner and 10 minutes to put all the plates in the dish washer and press a button. Those who have time or place to cook should try, its fun and worth it, plus next time the children no need grow up eating McD all the time.
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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Oct 31 2013, 03:44 PM)
eh, asking questions for a friend with family thinking to relocate to SG.

a. how much are childcare/nursery costs here. assuming kid 1 - 4 years old.
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Childcare centre sometime come with complimentary hand, foot, and mouth disease. biggrin.gif
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I never believe in "you are what you eat".
Mainly cause i need to eat humans for that, which i will never do
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Oct 31 2013, 12:24 AM)
the only programmer i know here made $8k/month fresh before bonus... after 4 years, he's making $13k/month for basic, i heard bonus was last 18 months...
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shocking.gif

that is quite a lot bro, 8k/month, handsomely paid! but as what i know from my friends, freshgrad is around 1.8~2k only.

hope to try my luck to get some "lobang" here blush.gif
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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Oct 31 2013, 07:43 PM)
I would see it as my health is more valuable than anything else money can buy. Strong believer of "you are what you eat", who knows what ingredients they are serving outside.

On weekdays, we probably spent around 2 hours preparing, cooking, eating and dish washing for 2/3 dishes and 1 soup. Money spent roughly about 300 for 2 person per month, 5 days per week. I don't know how much I need to earn to make spending 2 hours to cook more valuable than eating outside. 5 dollar per hour?

Waiting for the chicken soup to be done then have our 30 minutes dinner and 10 minutes to put all the plates in the dish washer and press a button. Those who have time or place to cook should try, its fun and worth it, plus next time the children no need grow up eating McD all the time.
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I'm not questioning the choices you've made. I only framed the choices available.

And the point that I wanted to get across is that it's pointless to complain about food prices by basing one's argument on the cost of raw materials alone. That's because selling food in Singapore is as much a service as it is a product. A large consideration becomes how much that service component matters or is of value to you.

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QUOTE(whatla @ Oct 31 2013, 05:49 PM)
Ohh okay!! This could explain why the company have yet to send me the offer letter.. cos its been 4 days since i was confirmed..

May I know how long for the confirmation from MOM to the company?
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refer to these links

https://eponline.mom.gov.sg/epol/

http://www.mom.gov.sg/SERVICES-FORMS/PASSE...yment-pass.aspx
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QUOTE(totti 10 @ Oct 31 2013, 08:24 PM)
I never believe in "you are what you eat".
Mainly cause i need to eat humans for that, which i will never do
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QUOTE(peterG @ Oct 31 2013, 09:21 PM)
shocking.gif

that is quite a lot bro, 8k/month, handsomely paid! but as what i know from my friends, freshgrad is around 1.8~2k only.

hope to try my luck to get some "lobang" here  blush.gif
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ThanatosSwiftfire here is the 2014 fee schedule for NTUC my first skool, among the cheapest
A good comparison for you to see if you/your friend is planning to be a singapore citizen.

Fiona Chin not to mention the occasional fever, cold, cough while they are developing their immune system.

Anyway, a quick repost for Married family with 1 toddler kid (courtesy of ivanswk with some editing, maybe jasonkwk could add on the 1st page)

Basic requirement = $3700.00
3R HDB rental (2 bed room) = $2500 (East) - oh yes we are the sucker who help people pay for their house
Childcare = $700
Household Food & Groceries = $500 (includes occasional weekend eat out)
Utility (Electricity+Water+Cable TV+Fibre) = $200

Not inclusive of
Parents' meal when at work
Parents' transportation cost to work
Weekend outings
Parents' entertainment
SG Car installment (which also need to calculate in insurance, roadtax)
Commitment back in Malaysia

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QUOTE(peterG @ Oct 31 2013, 09:21 PM)
shocking.gif

that is quite a lot bro, 8k/month, handsomely paid! but as what i know from my friends, freshgrad is around 1.8~2k only.

hope to try my luck to get some "lobang" here  blush.gif
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QUOTE(keii-kun @ Oct 31 2013, 10:37 PM)
ThanatosSwiftfire here is the 2014 fee schedule for NTUC my first skool, among the cheapest
A good comparison for you to see if you/your friend is planning to be a singapore citizen.

Fiona Chin not to mention the occasional fever, cold, cough while they are developing their immune system.

Anyway, a quick repost for Married family with 1 toddler kid (courtesy of ivanswk with some editing, maybe jasonkwk could add on the 1st page)

Basic requirement = $3700.00
3R HDB rental (2 bed room) = $2500 (East) - oh yes we are the sucker who help people pay for their house
Childcare = $700
Household Food & Groceries = $500 (includes occasional weekend eat out)
Utility (Electricity+Water+Cable TV+Fibre) = $200

Not inclusive of
Parents' meal when at work
Parents' transportation cost to work
Weekend outings
Parents' entertainment
SG Car installment (which also need to calculate in insurance, roadtax)
Commitment back in Malaysia
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need to mention...infants (aged 2-18 months)...the fee is double of that for infant care
so unless the baby is a singaporean...no subsidy and PAINFUL SIAL FOR THE POCKET !!!

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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Oct 31 2013, 03:44 PM)
eh, asking questions for a friend with family thinking to relocate to SG.

a. how much are childcare/nursery costs here. assuming kid 1 - 4 years old.
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Mine is 500 a month as I'm on a budget and I've defined my kids early years mainly to play and socialize

But perks of a citizen, I only pay 200 a month...

... From my cda account where I put in 6000, the gov matches it... So I can say it costs me $100 a month biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Oct 31 2013, 07:46 PM)
Childcare centre sometime come with complimentary hand, foot, and mouth disease. biggrin.gif
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Haha... But it's somewhere a kid socializes. Bound to fall sick anyway

On a positive note I think Msia worse as they are more relaxed when it comes to hfmd. Sg all cases reported to MOH and they do close down centers who do not seem to impose proper measures to control outbreaks
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there are pros and cons whether to send your child to a care center or a nanny

care center will provide more interactivity with peers...but the downside is the kid will not have 100% attention from the caregiver (1 caregiver multiple kids) and also higher chances of getting infected with disease (depends on how u look at it, it may be a good thing as it helps to immunize your kid)

nanny looking after the kid will allow the kid to have 100% attention, less disease from infections but the interaction will most likely be bound to the kid and the nanny only since it is 1:1

so it all depends on which 1 the parents prioritize.
i basically grew up in a child care center...was healthy all the way.
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QUOTE(wlcling @ Nov 1 2013, 08:51 AM)
Mine is 500 a month as I'm on a budget and I've defined my kids early years mainly to play and socialize

But perks of a citizen, I only pay 200 a month...

... From my cda account where I put in 6000, the gov matches it... So I can say it costs me $100 a month biggrin.gif
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hmmm.. till he converts to Singaporean it seems like quite expensive for him to maintain his family here. sad.gif
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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Nov 1 2013, 09:54 AM)
hmmm.. till he converts to Singaporean it seems like quite expensive for him to maintain his family here. sad.gif
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Good Day everyone,

I am an instrumentation and electrical engineer that have 2 years mining design&site experience. Just a bit curious, anyone here by any chance work as a service engineer for marine and offshore? Since this is a new working field to me (compared to my previous experience in mining), can someone share their experience with me, please?

Currently a company offered me SG 3.5k as a service engineer, is that salary alright in that field?
(company is P&C, please do not ask)

Thank you.

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QUOTE(razo2 @ Nov 1 2013, 01:52 PM)
Good Day everyone,

I am an instrumentation  and electrical engineer that have 2 years mining design&site experience. Just a bit curious, anyone here by any chance work as a service engineer for marine and offshore? Since this is a new working field to me (compared to my previous experience in mining), can someone share their experience with me, please?

Currently a company offered me SG 3.5k as a service engineer, is that salary alright in that field?
(company is P&C, please do not ask)

Thank you.
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I am working offshore, but not in marine products. and I am a service engineer as well. for 2 years I think it's around that price. I think the range is 3.5k to 4k. Besides that, I think we still have allowance in the end. So mainly we are earning more with that.

Working condition might be harsh and travelling will be very often. Might not be able to plan your holidays and other stuffs. Less time to spend with your loved ones. That's all I can say. Working wise, maybe someone in the company or same field can share more with you. =)
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QUOTE(hitsugaya2010 @ Nov 1 2013, 02:27 PM)
I am working offshore, but not in marine products. and I am a service engineer as well. for 2 years I think it's around that price. I think the range is 3.5k to 4k. Besides that, I think we still have allowance in the end. So mainly we are earning more with that.

Working condition might be harsh and travelling will be very often. Might not be able to plan your holidays and other stuffs. Less time to spend with your loved ones. That's all I can say. Working wise, maybe someone in the company or same field can share more with you. =)
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Thank you for sharing your experience notworthy.gif . Well, mining didnt really have much of a life than work. So one less thing to worry, i guess. Not a proud thing to share that engineers dont have life tongue.gif . Maybe spending time with love ones might be a bit of a concern.

I am guessing my life would be like my dad. My dad use to work at rigs as a geologist. 7 day week, no family life. Teach his son how to read well logs at age 9 so he can get more people to help him.

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QUOTE(razo2 @ Nov 1 2013, 02:39 PM)
Thank you for sharing your experience  notworthy.gif . Well, mining didnt really have much of a life than work. So one less thing to worry, i guess. Not a proud thing to share that engineers dont have life  tongue.gif . Maybe spending time with love ones might be a bit of a concern.

I am guessing my life would be like my dad. My dad use to work at rigs as a geologist. 7 day week, no family life. Teach his son how to read well logs at age 9 so he can get more people to help him.
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Yea something like geologist, but we are service, so won't be that long out the sea, maybe 2 weeks, the thing is, if business very good, it will be consequently.

The stress normally comes from travelling and also the job scope. They might send you to service eventhou you do not have much experience. More to site learning I would say, hopefully they provide training to you. =)

Wah! your dad really passionate about his job.. haha..! We only work 7 days a week offshore. But in the office we are quite free and work 5 days a week. So there is some balance there. haha..
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there are pros and cons whether to send your child to a care center or a nanny

care center will provide more interactivity with peers...but the downside is the kid will not have 100% attention from the caregiver (1 caregiver multiple kids) and also higher chances of getting infected with disease (depends on how u look at it, it may be a good thing as it helps to immunize your kid)

nanny looking after the kid will allow the kid to have 100% attention, less disease from infections but the interaction will most likely be bound to the kid and the nanny only since it is 1:1

so it all depends on which 1 the parents prioritize.
i basically grew up in a child care center...was healthy all the way.
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For me when kid is below 18 months send to nanny so that he does not fall sick easily due to frail immune system and there's when he needs most attention as they are helpless

After 18 months go child care to socialize and get infected with stuff as it's for their better immunity building...

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wage around S$5k-6k consider under EP pass 1 or pass 2? Anyone knows? smile.gif
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Anyway I think see luck one! I think it's the 2nd highest one lor, cos the highest one need 8k I think...
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hello,is there any offshore job for fresher in singapore?
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I'm currently looking for a roomate to share a place in Singapore.
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Hi everyone, i read the news that Singapore increased restrictions on foreign workers. I plan to work in Singapore. It seems quite tough nowadays. Kindly advise. Tks

What advice are you expecting? we're not exactly a collection of headhunters / job agents. Yes, it is getting harder, but none of us will know whether it will be 'just slightly harder' or 'damn near impossible.' you want to come then throw CV's around and hope for the best lor.
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just want to ask, I am now working in singapore for almost 2 months, I being forced in email with job recruit agent that I had to pay him one month for salary if I didn't complete 3 month working period

so now I got better job offer, can I switch without pay him?
does this agreement legit?

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just want to ask, I am now working in singapore for almost 2 months, I being forced in email with job recruit agent that I had to pay him one month for salary if I didn't complete 3 month working period

so now I got better job offer, can I switch without pay him?
does this agreement legit?
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If you sign or verbally agree its legit.
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I'm not questioning the choices you've made. I only framed the choices available.

And the point that I wanted to get across is that it's pointless to complain about food prices by basing one's argument on the cost of raw materials alone. That's because selling food in Singapore is as much a service as it is a product. A large consideration becomes how much that service component matters or is of value to you.
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QUOTE(jgamer @ Nov 3 2013, 04:54 PM)
just want to ask, I am now working in singapore for almost 2 months, I being forced in email with job recruit agent that I had to pay him one month for salary if I didn't complete 3 month working period

so now I got better job offer, can I switch without pay him?
does this agreement legit?
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since its just another 1 month left..might as well just stay on?
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Is Singapore EY required lot of audit staff?

Saw it advertisement in Malaysia jobstreet.com, normally big four won't make advertisement in recruitment.


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guess what, i just got a move out notice by my landlady, and i just moved in like 1.5 weeks ago.. crazy man
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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Nov 3 2013, 07:47 PM)
guess what, i just got a move out notice by my landlady, and i just moved in like 1.5 weeks ago.. crazy man
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any agreement?

if she gives u notification within the notice period, then it is fair.. she has to compensate u for any agent fees incurred..

if u r still not happy, can ask her to compensate u for relocation... if cannot settle u can contact aloong our daiko member
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any agreement?

if she gives u notification within the notice period, then it is fair.. she has to compensate u for any agent fees incurred..

if u r still not happy, can ask her to compensate u for relocation... if cannot settle u can contact aloong our daiko member
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she said move before the first 1 month is over, so its before 22 nov. and cuz its condo, and i found it on easyroommate, so no agent fees. crazy man. are there many these sort of landlords around? i studied in oz rented from china/hk ppl for 2.5 yrs never see such behaviour shakehead.gif
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Do they still send you PR invitation letter before graduation? I heard no more PR guarantee for local grads now.
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But I applied after 3 months.
Every sg grad Malaysian I know was given PR regardless of pay/position/company.
It's still pretty much a guarantee.
Same can't be said for other nationalites or non sg grads. Not to mention this may change. But at the moment, it's still relatively easy.

Not every local Malaysian grad wants PR anyway. Some rather postpone it as their company will give them what's supposed to be their cpf contributions into their monthly paychecks.

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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Nov 3 2013, 07:54 PM)
she said move before the first 1 month is over, so its before 22 nov. and cuz its condo, and i found it on easyroommate, so no agent fees. crazy man. are there many these sort of landlords around? i studied in oz rented from china/hk ppl for 2.5 yrs never see such behaviour  shakehead.gif
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Like that you sure lose liao. Think she won't compensate for your left over rental also? No where you can find any free party to help you, unless you go mediation yourself, long process then you will be on the losing end because you fighting against a millionaire hehe.

Most likely she got a very good offer for the condo. There are a lot of new landlord renting out their room after seeing the market is good for the recent years, with no experience no etiquette and only know how to earn your money.

Luck no good on your side today.
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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Nov 3 2013, 10:12 PM)
Like that you sure lose liao. Think she won't compensate for your left over rental also? No where you can find any free party to help you, unless you go mediation yourself, long process then you will be on the losing end because you fighting against a millionaire hehe.

Most likely she got a very good offer for the condo. There are a lot of new landlord renting out their room after seeing the market is good for the recent years, with no experience no etiquette and only know how to earn your money.

Luck no good on your side today.
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she said can stay until the month finishes (ie 1 month after my rent finishes up).
with the restriction on ep and pr, wont the market be worse off? maybe she did have a better offer, or put up a new offer somewhere else.
she said the previous tenant was a south korean girl. so maybe not a new landlady. but who knows, most things can be falsified or made up nowadays.
i dont know, but this place is about 20% cheaper than the market price of the same condo.
i sort of see this coming but what pisses me off is just having to spend the time to find a new place. mad.gif

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Is it ok?

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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Nov 3 2013, 07:54 PM)
she said move before the first 1 month is over, so its before 22 nov. and cuz its condo, and i found it on easyroommate, so no agent fees. crazy man. are there many these sort of landlords around? i studied in oz rented from china/hk ppl for 2.5 yrs never see such behaviour  shakehead.gif
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ask her for relocation compensation.. or compensate 2 months rental..

any agreement?

QUOTE(sheeppy91 @ Nov 3 2013, 08:41 PM)
Post: Electrical engineer in a local chinese based construction company.

Salary: 3.3k sgd, 3.5k after 3 months probation

Experience: 4 years in malaysia, no experience in sg. 1st job in sg, age 27.

Is it ok?

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its ok... congrats rclxms.gif
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ask her for relocation compensation.. or compensate 2 months rental..

any agreement?
its ok... congrats  rclxms.gif
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when i moved in, she said a few days later will sign the agreement. in the ad she was asking for 6 month rental minimum. but in the end, no agreement was signed. -.-
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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Nov 3 2013, 09:27 PM)
when i moved in, she said a few days later will sign the agreement. in the ad she was asking for 6 month rental minimum. but in the end, no agreement was signed. -.-
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No.
But I applied after 3 months.
Every sg grad Malaysian I know was given PR regardless of pay/position/company.
It's still pretty much a guarantee.
Same can't be said for other nationalites or non sg grads. Not to mention this may change. But at the moment, it's still relatively easy.

Not every local Malaysian grad wants PR anyway. Some rather postpone it as their company will give them what's supposed to be their cpf contributions into their monthly paychecks.
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Long long time ago the tradition is they send out the letters before graduation saying please apply sure get one. Think is like they can direct apply PR and work, no need go through EP stage. But now I heard juniors from the same school being rejected recently. Local grads not so prestige any more.
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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Nov 3 2013, 09:27 PM)
when i moved in, she said a few days later will sign the agreement. in the ad she was asking for 6 month rental minimum. but in the end, no agreement was signed. -.-
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yea... cant do anything... u can try asking for relocation compensation but if she doesnt give u, u cant do anything too... is she holding your deposit?

Tenant moves out in 1 day after meeting nightmare landlady


A man has taken to Internet forums to complain about a landlady who had allegedly imposed a variety of unreasonable rules, such as charging him for watching television and not allowing him to leave the bathroom floor wet after a shower.

The tenant, who goes by the username 'Disputed' on an online forum, said that he had rented and moved out of the room at Blk 63B Lengkok Bahru within a day.

'Disputed' said in his posting that he had moved in and paid $700 rent for a room at the Lengkok Bahru flat on October 26.

While he was moving in, a neighbour who saw him told him that previous tenants had moved out of the same flat as they could not get along with the landlady. When he asked the housing agent about what he had heard, he was told that the neighbour did not have a good relationship with the landlady.

After moving in, 'Disputed' said that the landlady started to impose many new rules on him. For example, he was not allowed to use the freezer compartment of the refrigerator and was only allowed to use a small space in the fridge.

He was also told that the bathroom floor had to be dry after he took his shower, and that the kitchen lights and fan in his room should not be switched on.

That was not all. His landlady also told him that no sound should be made when he was opening or closing the metal gate at the front door. She also insisted on increasing the rent when she saw that he had placed a television in his room.

Although he argued that these rules were not mentioned in the tenancy agreement, she told him that she had the right to change the rules as and when she wished as she was the owner of the flat.

- See more at: http://business.asiaone.com/property/news/...h.6y1ap4TS.dpuf
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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Nov 3 2013, 10:59 PM)
Long long time ago the tradition is they send out the letters before graduation saying please apply sure get one. Think is like they can direct apply PR and work, no need go through EP stage. But now I heard juniors from the same school being rejected recently. Local grads not so prestige any more.
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Previously, I was in bank industry for 1year and 9months. My salary was RM3000 excluded commission.

I got an offer of SGD $2400 now, do u all think is not worth to downgrade? (bt i got EP Q1 and I tot only salary above $3k can get EP)

What do you all think? hmm.gif


Separately, I am looking for room nearby Aljunied or Potong Pasir.

Currently I am staying with my bro at Clementi, sleep in living room and need to pay $300.

Is expensive and far from my work place. (although is in the same MRT line)
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QUOTE(be_happy @ Nov 4 2013, 01:36 AM)
Previously, I was in bank industry for 1year and 9months. My salary was RM3000 excluded commission.

I got an offer of SGD $2400 now, do u all think is not worth to downgrade? (bt i got EP Q1 and I tot only salary above $3k can get EP)

What do you all think?  hmm.gif
Separately, I am looking for room nearby Aljunied or Potong Pasir.

Currently I am staying with my bro at Clementi, sleep in living room and need to pay $300.

Is expensive and far from my work place. (although is in the same MRT line)
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Downgrade? Convert $2400 and see how much is that in RM.

Many people try to get job in Singapore, you are lucky that you are offered a job there.

I hope that not relative bro, just some dude. If it is blood brother, get rid of him as soon as you can because your own brother charges you $300 for sleeping in living room.

Anyway, you're a big fellow, pay a bit more and go find yourself a room.












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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Nov 3 2013, 10:59 PM)
Long long time ago the tradition is they send out the letters before graduation saying please apply sure get one. Think is like they can direct apply PR and work, no need go through EP stage. But now I heard juniors from the same school being rejected recently. Local grads not so prestige any more.
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It's not that long ago, it was in 2010/2009 where they still send out PR applications.
For now... Uhhh, definitely need to go through the EP stage.
Preferably 6 months.

That being said, out of the over few hundred people I personally know from Uni (NUS/NTU) ... all of them who applied got it.

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QUOTE(be_happy @ Nov 4 2013, 01:36 AM)
Previously, I was in bank industry for 1year and 9months. My salary was RM3000 excluded commission.

I got an offer of SGD $2400 now, do u all think is not worth to downgrade? (bt i got EP Q1 and I tot only salary above $3k can get EP)

What do you all think?  hmm.gif
Separately, I am looking for room nearby Aljunied or Potong Pasir.

Currently I am staying with my bro at Clementi, sleep in living room and need to pay $300.

Is expensive and far from my work place. (although is in the same MRT line)
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Regarding EP
It's more of a guide than a rule.
Plus they're usually more lenient on Malaysian.

UGPM regarding room. I know someone who's trying to rent a place in Boon Keng. Malaysian chaps, pretty nice people.
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QUOTE(tengah @ Nov 4 2013, 02:07 AM)
Downgrade? Convert $2400 and see how much is that in RM.

Many people try to get job in Singapore, you are lucky that you are offered a job there.

I hope that not relative bro, just some dude. If it is blood brother, get rid of him as soon as you can because your own brother charges you $300 for sleeping in living room.

Anyway, you're a big fellow, pay a bit more and go find yourself a room.
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Regarding EP
It's more of a guide than a rule.
Plus they're usually more lenient on Malaysian.

UGPM regarding room. I know someone who's trying to rent a place in Boon Keng. Malaysian chaps, pretty nice people.
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EP is easier to get PR right?

I am looking for Aljunied or Potong Pasir
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yes, is my bloody brother. I will look for job after my confirmation.
EP is easier to get PR right?

I am looking for Aljunied or Potong Pasir
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Boon Keng is one MRT stop away from potong pasir.
Their place is in between Boon keng and Potong pasir if I'm not mistaken.

EP being a factor or not, I'm not sure.
Salary and length of stay is one of the criteria to get PR.
I wouldn't try to apply if you've been here for only a few months even with an EP.
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QUOTE(be_happy @ Nov 4 2013, 01:36 AM)
Previously, I was in bank industry for 1year and 9months. My salary was RM3000 excluded commission.

QUOTE(tengah @ Nov 4 2013, 02:07 AM)
Downgrade? Convert $2400 and see how much is that in RM.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mang how can you convert FX and then declare that it's not a downgrade?

If I'm earning rm10k in Malaysia and I come over on sgd5k (27% increase after FX conversion), does that mean I got a good deal?
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Nov 4 2013, 02:53 PM)
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mang how can you convert FX and then declare that it's not a downgrade?

If I'm earning rm10k in Malaysia and I come over on sgd5k (27% increase after FX conversion), does that mean I got a good deal?
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This is debatable..

Financially, you make more money, then it is not downgrade.

Job scope/responsibility wise, then it is a downgrade since a RM10K job in Malaysia is normally a directorship or something similar and a SGD5K job in Singapore is normally an officer or senior officer job.

You may then say cost of living higher in Malaysia, but Singapore is safer and not race-based, so it is really debatable.

If the person is planning to return to Malaysia after the job in Singapore, then it is certainly a bargain since the FX conversion would make him much richer..





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QUOTE(tengah @ Nov 4 2013, 03:08 PM)
This is debatable..

Financially, you make more money, then it is not downgrade.

Job scope/responsibility wise, then it is a downgrade since a RM10K job in Malaysia is normally a directorship or something similar and a SGD5K job in Singapore is normally an officer or senior officer job.

You may then say cost of living higher in Malaysia, but Singapore is safer and not race-based, so it is really debatable.

If the person is planning to return to Malaysia after the job in Singapore, then it is certainly a bargain since the FX conversion would make him much richer..
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u will be surprised....
nobody in their sane mind will hire u at that kind of rate
say u earn 5k sgd, u expect to come back malaysia n earn 10k?

from RM10k job to a sgd5k job is definitely a downgrade in salary
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QUOTE(tengah @ Nov 4 2013, 03:08 PM)
This is debatable..

Financially, you make more money, then it is not downgrade.

Job scope/responsibility wise, then it is a downgrade since a RM10K job in Malaysia is normally a directorship or something similar and a SGD5K job in Singapore is normally an officer or senior officer job.

You may then say cost of living higher in Malaysia, but Singapore is safer and not race-based, so it is really debatable.


If the person is planning to return to Malaysia after the job in Singapore, then it is certainly a bargain since the FX conversion would make him much richer..
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Typo or what? Malaysia cost of living higher?

Wait till you getting a house and a car here, then you realise you need your SG salary figure to be in MY salary figure * 2.5 to get the equivalent lifestyle here (applicable for condo only, landed you need to win Toto, for few times in a row to own one).

QUOTE(jitshiong @ Nov 4 2013, 03:27 PM)
u will be surprised....
nobody in their sane mind will hire u at that kind of rate
say u earn 5k sgd, u expect to come back malaysia n earn 10k?

from RM10k job to a sgd5k job is definitely a downgrade in salary
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Yo, saw you in Choa Chu Kang, where is the handsome boy?

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QUOTE(tengah @ Nov 4 2013, 03:08 PM)
This is debatable..

Financially, you make more money, then it is not downgrade.

Job scope/responsibility wise, then it is a downgrade since a RM10K job in Malaysia is normally a directorship or something similar and a SGD5K job in Singapore is normally an officer or senior officer job.

You may then say cost of living higher in Malaysia, but Singapore is safer and not race-based, so it is really debatable.

If the person is planning to return to Malaysia after the job in Singapore, then it is certainly a bargain since the FX conversion would make him much richer..
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i do not think there is anything to debate
first off...if u take into consideration the exchange rate...personally, you are already losing.
u will be working and living in SG spending SGD...why are u converting it into RM?
you are not spending RM in SG...it may become a debatable point if you travel everyday across the causeway
but still, exchange rate should not even be taken into consideration.

where you retire is uncertain, so never take that as a factor.
if u earn RM10k, and settle for SGD5k...the amount you get to save does not necessary be more when you convert it back
why not factor the amt you might save if u got a job at SGD9k or even 10k or more?
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QUOTE(be_happy @ Nov 4 2013, 01:36 AM)
Previously, I was in bank industry for 1year and 9months. My salary was RM3000 excluded commission.

I got an offer of SGD $2400 now, do u all think is not worth to downgrade? (bt i got EP Q1 and I tot only salary above $3k can get EP)

What do you all think?  hmm.gif
Separately, I am looking for room nearby Aljunied or Potong Pasir.

Currently I am staying with my bro at Clementi, sleep in living room and need to pay $300.

Is expensive and far from my work place. (although is in the same MRT line)
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dun think it's worth it... try to find somewhere with better salary...

if difference 100 or 200 still ok...
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Post: Electrical engineer in a local chinese based construction company.

Salary: 3.3k sgd, 3.5k after 3 months probation

Experience: 4 years in malaysia, no experience in sg. 1st job in sg, age 27.

Is it ok?

Thanks!
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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Nov 4 2013, 03:36 PM)
Typo or what? Malaysia cost of living higher?

Wait till you getting a house and a car here, then you realise you need your SG salary figure to be in MY salary figure * 2.5 to get the equivalent lifestyle here (applicable for condo only, landed you need to win Toto, for few times in a row to own one).
Yo, saw you in Choa Chu Kang, where is the handsome boy?
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Really? Today?
So lansi.....didn't even say hi
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Nov 4 2013, 02:53 PM)
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mang how can you convert FX and then declare that it's not a downgrade?

If I'm earning rm10k in Malaysia and I come over on sgd5k (27% increase after FX conversion), does that mean I got a good deal?
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Nov 4 2013, 03:27 PM)
u will be surprised....
nobody in their sane mind will hire u at that kind of rate
say u earn 5k sgd, u expect to come back malaysia n earn 10k?

from RM10k job to a sgd5k job is definitely a downgrade in salary
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That RM10K salary didn't come from me. Here there are threads talking about so difficult to get RM3K job. RM10K? Far from it.

SGD5K is RM12.7K. Money wise, RM12.7K is greater than RM10K, downgrade?

Cost of living vs security bla bla bla

Ketuanan Melayu vs Meritocracy bla bla bla

Executive position vs Officer position bla bla bla

Whether upgrade or downgrade, it is debatable. drool.gif








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QUOTE(Fiona Chin @ Nov 4 2013, 03:36 PM)
Typo or what? Malaysia cost of living higher?

Wait till you getting a house and a car here, then you realise you need your SG salary figure to be in MY salary figure * 2.5 to get the equivalent lifestyle here (applicable for condo only, landed you need to win Toto, for few times in a row to own one).
Yo, saw you in Choa Chu Kang, where is the handsome boy?
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Yeah, it's a typo.

Yes, it will cost more to buy house and car in Singapore. It is cheaper in Malaysia but you trade that for your safety, civil rights, apa lagi mau etc..


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i do not think there is anything to debate
first off...if u take into consideration the exchange rate...personally, you are already losing.
u will be working and living in SG spending SGD...why are u converting it into RM?
you are not spending RM in SG...it may become a debatable point if you travel everyday across the causeway
but still, exchange rate should not even be taken into consideration.

where you retire is uncertain, so never take that as a factor.
if u earn RM10k, and settle for SGD5k...the amount you get to save does not necessary be more when you convert it back
why not factor the amt you might save if u got a job at SGD9k or even 10k or more?
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You have never heard of people going back and forth Singapore to work. To these people, it is big profit to them.

Although you spend SGD in Singapore, when you finally leave Singapore and withdraw your money from SG accounts, you make a big pile of money there.

You trade that for your safety, civil rights in Malaysia, you are talking about two different countries, not Penang or KL so it is debatable in many aspects.

Every time the Police patrol stop you in Malaysia, you need to consider parting with kopi money. In SG, you better don't do that or you will be arrested for bribery.

You already said it... ".the amount you get to save does not necessary be more when you convert it back" - so this already makes it debatable.

If it is downgrade which implied not desirable as opposed to upgrade, what are all these Malaysians working in Singapore for? They like downgrade?

So it is quite debatable, on the countary. Not saying either option is good but depends on your needs.





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QUOTE(tengah @ Nov 4 2013, 04:17 PM)
That RM10K salary didn't come from me. Here there are threads talking about so difficult to get RM3K job. RM10K? Far from it.

SGD5K is RM12.7K. Money wise, RM12.7K is greater than RM10K, downgrade?

Cost of living vs security bla bla bla

Ketuanan Melayu vs Meritocracy bla bla bla

Executive position vs Officer position bla bla bla

Whether upgrade or downgrade, it is debatable.  drool.gif
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If that's how you see it, good for you
don't forget that when you work here, u spend here as well
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Nov 4 2013, 04:29 PM)
If that's how you see it, good for you
don't forget that when you work here, u spend here as well
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If a person makes RM10K, he wouldn't be considering a SGD5K job.

A SGD5K job is just another officer job. Nothing fancy about making SGD5K in Singapore.

Why would he want to work in Singapore as an officer and take orders from people when he is probably giving orders in his RM10K job?





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QUOTE(tengah @ Nov 4 2013, 04:28 PM)
You have never heard of people going back and forth Singapore to work. To these people, it is big profit to them.

Although you spend SGD in Singapore, when you finally leave Singapore and withdraw your money from SG accounts, you make a big pile of money there.

You trade that for your safety, civil rights in Malaysia, you are talking about two different countries, not Penang or KL so it is debatable in many aspects.

Every time the Police patrol stop you in Malaysia, you need to consider parting with kopi money. In SG, you better don't do that or you will be arrested for bribery.

You already said it... ".the amount you get to save does not necessary be more when you convert it back" - so this already makes it debatable.

If it is downgrade which implied not desirable as opposed to upgrade, what are all these Malaysians working in Singapore for? They like downgrade?

So it is quite debatable, on the countary. Not saying either option is good but depends on your needs.
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so by that logic
most fresh grad should only get around SGD1k (RM2.5k)?
That is a fair sum for u?
when i first grad and worked in a local company, i got RM2k
so even if the offer is SGD1.2k (RM3k) in a local company, it is a massive upgrade (50% increase le)?

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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Nov 4 2013, 03:27 PM)
u will be surprised....
nobody in their sane mind will hire u at that kind of rate
say u earn 5k sgd, u expect to come back malaysia n earn 10k?

from RM10k job to a sgd5k job is definitely a downgrade in salary
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Don't forget that a person making RM10K in Malaysia is likely a senior executive. When he comes to Singapore, he will likely or assume he take a senior executive job. That won't be SGD5K. Maybe SGD10K. Maybe SGD9K.

So that debate within debate about RM10K to SGD5K is definitely flawed. That person who compared RM10K to SGD5K is not looking at reality.

SGD10K is RM25.5K - still downgrade?


The original question SGD2400 to RM3000. Same line of work/job level.

SGD2400 is RM6100 - that's a difference of RM3700. You see RM3700 no up? You still think downgrade?

Standard of living (security, social standing, amenities etc) is lower in Malaysia.

If you still think downgrade, stay in Malaysia then drool.gif











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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Nov 4 2013, 04:37 PM)
so by that logic
most fresh grad should only get around SGD1k (RM2.5k)?
That is a fair sum for u?
when i first grad and worked in a local company, i got RM2k
so even if the offer is SGD1.2k (RM3k) in a local company, it is a massive upgrade (50% increase le)?
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See this reply:

Don't forget that a person making RM10K in Malaysia is likely a senior executive. When he comes to Singapore, he will likely or assume he take a senior executive job. That won't be SGD5K. Maybe SGD10K. Maybe SGD9K.

So that debate within debate about RM10K to SGD5K is definitely flawed. That person who compared RM10K to SGD5K is not looking at reality.

SGD10K is RM25.5K - still downgrade?


The original question SGD2400 to RM3000. Same line of work/job level.

SGD2400 is RM6100 - that's a difference of RM3700. You see RM3700 no up? You still think downgrade?

Standard of living (security, social standing, amenities etc) is lower in Malaysia.

If you still think downgrade, stay in Malaysia then drool.gif



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See this reply:

Don't forget that a person making RM10K in Malaysia is likely a senior executive. When he comes to Singapore, he will likely or assume he take a senior executive job. That won't be SGD5K. Maybe SGD10K. Maybe SGD9K.

So that debate within debate about RM10K to SGD5K is definitely flawed. That person who compared RM10K to SGD5K is not looking at reality.

SGD10K is RM25.5K - still downgrade?
The original question SGD2400 to RM3000. Same line of work/job level.

SGD2400 is RM6100 - that's a difference of RM3700. You see RM3700 no up? You still think downgrade?

Standard of living (security, social standing, amenities etc) is lower in Malaysia.

If you still think downgrade, stay in Malaysia then drool.gif
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i nvr said anything about upgrade or downgrade
i m just saying, the currency exchange should not be taken into consideration.
everyone has their own view on upgrades and downgrades.
but to take into consideration the exchange rate and lose out on what u are supposedly worth is a loss
there are a lot of HR who knows there are ppl who take into consideration of exchange rate thus lowballing...and surprisingly, there are quite a lot of ppl accepting without checking the actual market rate for that position.
in a way, you will just kill your own industry by pulling the bar downwards.

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Hi guys, anyone has any experience arranging for a large outing (ie 50-100 people) in Singapore?

Any suggested activities?

I'm probably going to organise a department outing, so I'm wondering what do corporations in Singapore do for their teambuilding etc.

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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Nov 4 2013, 04:55 PM)
i nvr said anything about upgrade or downgrade
i m just saying, the currency exchange should not be taken into consideration.
everyone has their own view on upgrades and downgrades.
but to take into consideration the exchange rate and lose out on what u are supposedly worth is a loss
there are a lot of HR who knows there are ppl who take into consideration of exchange rate thus lowballing...and surprisingly, there are quite a lot of ppl accepting without checking the actual market rate for that position.
in a way, you will just kill your own industry by pulling the bar downwards.
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Likewise, I didn't say anything about most fresh grad should only get around SGD1k (RM2.5k). Those words came from you.

Should hammer that guy who made the RM10K to SGD5K comparison.

By this:
SGD2400 is RM6100 - that's a difference of RM3700. You see RM3700 no up? You still think downgrade?

It showed currency exchange should be taken into consideration. I've pointed out many times that the standard of living is lower in Malaysia but the cost of living is higher in Singapore. It depends on what your needs are, do you want a favorable standard of living or cost of living? See this is why it is debatable and as you say everyone has their own view on upgrades and downgrades.













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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Nov 4 2013, 03:47 PM)
i do not think there is anything to debate
first off...if u take into consideration the exchange rate...personally, you are already losing.u will be working and living in SG spending SGD...why are u converting it into RM?
you are not spending RM in SG...it may become a debatable point if you travel everyday across the causeway
but still, exchange rate should not even be taken into consideration.

where you retire is uncertain, so never take that as a factor.
if u earn RM10k, and settle for SGD5k...the amount you get to save does not necessary be more when you convert it back
why not factor the amt you might save if u got a job at SGD9k or even 10k or more?
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FX rate is important.

wonder why an Indon want to work as maid here with just 3 digits take home vs 6 digit rupiah back in their country? The maid in SG might earn as much as office worker in Indonesia.

for a person that do not wish to set root here (not buying any property, family in MY), net saving is his aim.

so be it SGD, USD or GBP, It is the final amount in RM that he send back home (for house, car, child education etc) that count.

If the FX rate is 1:1, your living cost in SG will be even higher. By then who will continue to stay and work in SG?

Good for you if you get 1:1 offer but for a person who can't get at dollar to dollar matching jobs in SG, he is more willing to accept a lower paying jobs in SG as long as he get more saving (this is where FX rate come in). How low? 80% or 50% depend on how desperate the person need the extra saving. This is the reason why we have huge influx of FT in SG.

Dollar to dollar, it is cheaper to raise a family in MY subject to political abuse. While some of us have higher taste and life style and unwilling to accept a 50% cut in salary, I don't see a reason to discourage other people who trying to earn the extra saving.









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QUOTE(deodorant @ Nov 4 2013, 02:53 PM)
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mang how can you convert FX and then declare that it's not a downgrade?

If I'm earning rm10k in Malaysia and I come over on sgd5k (27% increase after FX conversion), does that mean I got a good deal?
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I am a finance blur. What FX trader do?

exclude life style change, Sell sgd buy rm get 27% profit per month is a bad deal?

one will have to accept some lifestyle change in the begining in exchange for a better opportunity to grow. IMO, a 5K job have larger room to grow than a 10k job.

just my 2 cents non elite view.










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FX rate is important.

wonder why an Indon want to work as maid here with just 3 digits take home vs 6 digit rupiah back in their country? The maid in SG might earn as much as office worker in Indonesia.

for a person that do not wish to set root here (not buying any property, family in MY), net saving is his aim.

so be it SGD, USD or GBP, It is the final amount in RM that he send back home (for house, car, child education etc) that count.

If the FX rate is 1:1, your living cost in SG will be even higher. By then who will continue to stay and work in SG?

Good for you if you get 1:1 offer but for a person who can't get at dollar to dollar matching jobs in SG, he is more willing to accept a lower paying jobs in SG as long as he get more saving (this is where FX rate come in). How low? 80% or 50% depend on how desperate the person need the extra saving. This is the reason why we have huge influx of FT in SG.

Dollar to dollar, it is cheaper to raise a family in MY subject to political abuse. While some of us have higher taste and life style and unwilling to accept a 50% cut in salary, I don't see a reason to discourage other people who trying to earn the extra saving.
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ok...i should rephrase it...if FX as the main or only factor. laugh.gif laugh.gif
i nvr said one should only accept if it is a 1:1 offer but to take into consideration what other ppl with similar credentials can fetch.
if ur skillset is highly sought after in MY, your pay in numbers will be relatively high...but if u were to move to SG which your skillset is not that hot on the market, your pay in terms of numbers are most likely to take a dip. (i have no idea what kind of skillset there is with such an example tongue.gif)
that is why...u find out what other ppl with similar skillset as you can fetch.
different field has a different market

for the indon maid case, if the market rate is 3 digit...then they are not losing out.
if market rate is 4 digit and u are taking 3 digit and not on the high side...u are losing out, even if after the conversion, the chunk of money remitted back is a lot.
the question is what if u were to get a job which is around the market rate...instead of way lower compared to the market but higher because of FX
but job searching is a beech...most of the time u need luck.

desperation as u said will be a factor....but how desperate will one go until 50% sweat.gif sweat.gif (maybe escape from ah long?)
one still has a job (stability aside), one still have some time to bide by....how long is up to each individual
prolonged waiting for an offer can cause frustration and trigger desperation too.

on the 1:1, there will still be people although much lesser...moving has a lot more factors to consider than just FX

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QUOTE(be_happy @ Nov 4 2013, 01:36 AM)
Previously, I was in bank industry for 1year and 9months. My salary was RM3000 excluded commission.

I got an offer of SGD $2400 now, do u all think is not worth to downgrade? (bt i got EP Q1 and I tot only salary above $3k can get EP)

What do you all think?  hmm.gif
Separately, I am looking for room nearby Aljunied or Potong Pasir.

Currently I am staying with my bro at Clementi, sleep in living room and need to pay $300.

Is expensive and far from my work place. (although is in the same MRT line)
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if you come today, you are $600 off from your MY pay slip.

things change, when you have some SG experience you will start moving.

So welcome to SG.

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I disagree. I think in totality cars prices are comparable to Malaysia.
This is due to the fluid COE prices. So there are times, where SG car prices can be even cheaper than Malaysia.

Alternatively, you can get a 2nd car with 3,4 yrs COE left. If you want a better quality of living.

I do admit prices of properties are expensive. But that's if you compare private. BTO's are actually cheaper here! Rental are also higher here in SG however food are far cheaper. Do not forget also, SGD command a higher spending power.
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I disagree. I think in totality cars prices are comparable to Malaysia.
This is due to the fluid COE prices. So there are times, where SG car prices can be even cheaper than Malaysia.

Alternatively, you can get a 2nd car with 3,4 yrs COE left. If you want a better quality of living.

I do admit prices of properties are expensive. But that's if you compare private. BTO's are actually cheaper here! Rental are also higher here in SG however food are far cheaper. Do not forget also, SGD command a higher spending power.
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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Nov 4 2013, 05:32 PM)
ok...i should rephrase it...if FX as the main or only factor.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
i nvr said one should only accept if it is a 1:1 offer but to take into consideration what other ppl with similar credentials can fetch.
if ur skillset is highly sought after in MY, your pay in numbers will be relatively high...but if u were to move to SG which your skillset is not that hot on the market, your pay in terms of numbers are most likely to take a dip. (i have no idea what kind of skillset  there is with such an example tongue.gif)
that is why...u find out what other ppl with similar skillset as you can fetch.
different field has a different market

for the indon maid case, if the market rate is 3 digit...then they are not losing out.
if market rate is 4 digit and u are taking 3 digit and not on the high side...u are losing out, even if after the conversion, the chunk of money remitted back is a lot.
the question is what if u were to get a job which is around the market rate...instead of way lower compared to the market but higher because of FX
but job searching is a beech...most of the time u need luck.

desperation as u said will be a factor....but how desperate will one go until 50%  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  (maybe escape from ah long?)
one still has a job (stability aside), one still have some time to bide by....how long is up to each individual
prolonged waiting for an offer can cause frustration and trigger desperation too.

on the 1:1, there will still be people although much lesser...moving has a lot more factors to consider than just FX
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his pay is almost fresh grad level so I assumed not a niche skillset.

If your skillsets and experince never change then you look at which country offer you the better deal for your fix skill (which is almost fresh man). He is not on experience hire so not much to bargain. If he start here early, he will gain more experience and move on faster as banking in SG is stronger. So he have to consider oppourtunity not just the starting pay alone.

Wether a maid get paid 3 digit or 4 digit is depend on free market. Unless ando maid really that good to cause the demand over supply then they will keep receiving good offer else employer will keep testing your bottom line if you are easily replaceable. If say maid from xyz country who can perform the same jobs and happy to grab her job at 3 digit offer. The indon maid will have to settle with the 6 digit jobs back home.

Our blue IC did not give us any advantage over other FT. It happen in Engineering and IT where people from x country with PhD is asking for a local degree pay (more desparete) and once the door is open they whole family is here. The same thing can happen to banking too but at least the SG gov is pushing to field more local first. For enginnering, they push many factory to other country where the human resource cost is even lower.






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QUOTE(tengah @ Nov 4 2013, 04:48 PM)
Don't forget that a person making RM10K in Malaysia is likely a senior executive. When he comes to Singapore, he will likely or assume he take a senior executive job. That won't be SGD5K. Maybe SGD10K. Maybe SGD9K.

So that debate within debate about RM10K to SGD5K is definitely flawed. That person who compared RM10K to SGD5K is not looking at reality.

SGD10K is RM25.5K - still downgrade?
The original question SGD2400 to RM3000. Same line of work/job level.

SGD2400 is RM6100 - that's a difference of RM3700. You see RM3700 no up? You still think downgrade?

Standard of living (security, social standing, amenities etc) is lower in Malaysia.

If you still think downgrade, stay in Malaysia then  drool.gif
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Yes agree with him. The question now is is he satisfy with the job role which he landed with. If he think that sgd5k and with less responsibility if compare to the myr10k job back in Malaysia. Why not?

If the same job role or position. Then why you could get myr10k and not sgd8-10K? Assuming same job role normally we get +- 20% from our last pay in Malaysia.

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Hi guys, anyone has any experience arranging for a large outing (ie 50-100 people) in Singapore?

Any suggested activities?

I'm probably going to organise a department outing, so I'm wondering what do corporations in Singapore do for their teambuilding etc.
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Escape singapore but you need to split into few group, or pulau ubin , OBS.

This is what I always engage with for the company leadership team building.
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if you come today, you are $600 off from your MY pay slip.

things change, when you have some SG experience you will start moving.

So welcome to SG.
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Previously, I was in bank industry for 1year and 9months. My salary was RM3000 excluded commission.

I got an offer of SGD $2400 now, do u all think is not worth to downgrade? (bt i got EP Q1 and I tot only salary above $3k can get EP)

What do you all think?  hmm.gif
Separately, I am looking for room nearby Aljunied or Potong Pasir.

Currently I am staying with my bro at Clementi, sleep in living room and need to pay $300.

Is expensive and far from my work place. (although is in the same MRT line)
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Depends on your spending habit and how much is your rental.

My salary about your range and after 2 years working in SG, I managed to clear my PTPTN entirely (RM30k+ after discount). If I still work in Msia, don't think I can pay off so fast cause I'm saving RM 500-800 per month only.

However, I'm lucky to rent a room for S$600 only (all included) as it was HDB of my wife's relative.

With S$2,400, I believe you can save more than RM 2,000 per month. Compare to RM3k in Msia, maybe can save less than RM1k (exclude EPF).

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Really? Today?
So lansi.....didn't even say hi
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Last week. You walked so fast don't know go where, how to shout?

QUOTE(GiNgEr^fIsH @ Nov 4 2013, 05:33 PM)
I disagree. I think in totality cars prices are comparable to Malaysia.
This is due to the fluid COE prices. So there are times, where SG car prices can be even cheaper than Malaysia.

Alternatively, you can get a 2nd car with 3,4 yrs COE left. If you want a better quality of living.

I do admit prices of properties are expensive. But that's if you compare private. BTO's are actually cheaper here! Rental are also higher here in SG however food are far cheaper. Do not forget also, SGD command a higher spending power.
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BTO only for locals, unless you convert and join the long waiting queue with ballot system.
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QUOTE(tengah @ Nov 4 2013, 04:48 PM)
Don't forget that a person making RM10K in Malaysia is likely a senior executive. When he comes to Singapore, he will likely or assume he take a senior executive job. That won't be SGD5K. Maybe SGD10K. Maybe SGD9K.

So that debate within debate about RM10K to SGD5K is definitely flawed. That person who compared RM10K to SGD5K is not looking at reality.

SGD10K is RM25.5K - still downgrade?
The original question SGD2400 to RM3000. Same line of work/job level.

SGD2400 is RM6100 - that's a difference of RM3700. You see RM3700 no up? You still think downgrade?

Standard of living (security, social standing, amenities etc) is lower in Malaysia.

If you still think downgrade, stay in Malaysia then  drool.gif
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QUOTE(keeganz @ Nov 4 2013, 08:08 PM)
Yes agree with him. The question now is is he satisfy with the job role which he landed with. If he think that sgd5k and with less responsibility if compare to the myr10k job back in Malaysia. Why not?

If the same job role or position. Then why you could get myr10k and not sgd8-10K? Assuming same job role normally we get +- 20% from our last pay in Malaysia.
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If a RM10K senior executive comes to Singapore for a SGD5K officer job, then it is a downgrade in terms of job scope.

For your second statement, read the above again: " When he comes to Singapore, he will likely or assume he take a senior executive job. That won't be SGD5K. Maybe SGD10K. Maybe SGD9K."









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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Nov 4 2013, 05:02 PM)
Hi guys, anyone has any experience arranging for a large outing (ie 50-100 people) in Singapore?

Any suggested activities?

I'm probably going to organise a department outing, so I'm wondering what do corporations in Singapore do for their teambuilding etc.
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what's the budget?

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PR can get higher pay then foreigner for job application?
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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Nov 4 2013, 05:02 PM)
Hi guys, anyone has any experience arranging for a large outing (ie 50-100 people) in Singapore?

Any suggested activities?

I'm probably going to organise a department outing, so I'm wondering what do corporations in Singapore do for their teambuilding etc.
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Sandcastle building at east coast park...
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Sandcastle building at east coast park...
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ok but need a plan B when it rain especially year end.

uhhhhhhh since you are in ecp for castles ... if it rains go big splash (also at ecp) rent the minigolf place there for your entire group for like 3 hours.
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QUOTE(momijigari @ Nov 5 2013, 09:08 PM)
Anyone has any experience with temperature sensor (RTD, thermocouple and etc) for industrial application?
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what do you want to know actually ? hmm.gif I know about temperature indicator, thermowell & also thermocouple. PM me.

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taking taxi in sg is not bad. readily available, no need to pay for coe petrol erp etc etc. i am enjoying my time taking taxis -.-
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taking taxi in sg is not bad. readily available, no need to pay for coe petrol erp etc etc. i am enjoying my time taking taxis -.-
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You pay the world's most complex system of surcharges, tiered peak/offpeak rates, tiered taxi types and procurement/booking system.

As for availability,.. have you tried getting a taxi at peak hours when it's raining from a busy location like Plaza Singapore, Paragon etc?

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taking taxi in sg is not bad. readily available, no need to pay for coe petrol erp etc etc. i am enjoying my time taking taxis -.-
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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Nov 5 2013, 09:34 PM)
taking taxi in sg is not bad. readily available, no need to pay for coe petrol erp etc etc. i am enjoying my time taking taxis -.-
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Don't need to pay ERP? hmm.gif
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Don't need to pay ERP? hmm.gif
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ERP Charges are included into your total fare!!!
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pay this pay that is ok... as long you dont pay with your life in msia
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ERP Charges are included into your total fare!!!
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That's why i was raising my eyebrows.

And what's with the !!!, relax lah. smile.gif

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Hahah talk about taxi everyone come out and curse liao XD


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i curse the taxi driving style...macam having foot cramps causing the foot to step and release the accelerator repeatedly instead of maintaining the speed constantly
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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Nov 6 2013, 09:41 AM)
i curse the taxi driving style...macam having foot cramps causing the foot to step and release the accelerator repeatedly instead of maintaining the speed constantly
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yeah...make me feel like puke-ing!!
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seem like u all are working at sg?
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seem like u all are working at sg?
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not really sweat.gif
we all are just tonnes of bangla employ by the singapore goverment to spread about good life in singapore
so that singapore can get cheap labour from malaysia brows.gif

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We are the sg version of macais. Long live sg.
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I used to work and live in Singapore for almost two years. But, I was not happy to live there although you could earn satisfied salary. Personally, the highly population and competitive culture in Singapore did not suit me well. Unfortunately, they didn't resonate with my heart at all. Well, I guess it really depends on people's perspective or preference.
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i curse the taxi driving style...macam having foot cramps causing the foot to step and release the accelerator repeatedly instead of maintaining the speed constantly
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Yes, once I ask the taxi driver to stop and I vommitted at roadside.

The taxi driver even say that I'm so weak....

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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Nov 6 2013, 09:41 AM)
i curse the taxi driving style...macam having foot cramps causing the foot to step and release the accelerator repeatedly instead of maintaining the speed constantly
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I once kena a taxi that drives that way and i almost puked in his taxi. After i reached home and got my change, i told the driver, the way you drive really cannot make it. You are lucky the distance is short else i'm gonna puke in your taxi. Then slammed his door and walked off.

I didn't sound him throughout the journey cos i scared he say lu tak suka lu turun. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Argiope @ Nov 6 2013, 06:15 PM)
I once kena a taxi that drives that way and i almost puked in his taxi. After i reached home and got my change, i told the driver, the way you drive really cannot make it. You are lucky the distance is short else i'm gonna puke in your taxi. Then slammed his door and walked off.

I didn't sound him throughout the journey cos i scared he say lu tak suka lu turun. tongue.gif
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My gf has a terrible taxi driver that picked her up, halfway decided not to send her home, and decided to drop her at geylang.
Swear to god if I see that guy I'm going to take his picture and report him.
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Some taxi drivers race!!!! 12 minutes from woodlands checkpoint to bukit batok central. And they like to press on the gas pedal, then brake abruptly. Continue this routine until you arrive at your destination. Guess this is why everyone feels like puking -car sick.
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That's why I use http://www.carclub.com.sg/. Roughly $10 per hour and $0.30 per km, convenience of owning a car and driving yourself anywhere at prices just slightly more expensive than taking a taxi.
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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Nov 6 2013, 09:41 AM)
i curse the taxi driving style...macam having foot cramps causing the foot to step and release the accelerator repeatedly instead of maintaining the speed constantly
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wait till u get one of those old toyota crown doh.gif

QUOTE(wanisika @ Nov 6 2013, 12:43 PM)
I used to work and live in Singapore for almost two years. But, I was not happy to live there although you could earn satisfied salary. Personally, the highly population and competitive culture in Singapore did not suit me well. Unfortunately, they didn't resonate with my heart at all. Well, I guess it really depends on people's perspective or preference.
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well, diff ppl diff preference... most important is that u r eppi rclxms.gif

QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Nov 6 2013, 06:29 PM)
My gf has a terrible taxi driver that picked her up, halfway decided not to send her home, and decided to drop her at geylang.
Swear to god if I see that guy I'm going to take his picture and report him.
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maybe she looks hot hmm.gif so d cab driver thought brows.gif

QUOTE(deodorant @ Nov 6 2013, 07:36 PM)
That's why I use http://www.carclub.com.sg/. Roughly $10 per hour and $0.30 per km, convenience of owning a car and driving yourself anywhere at prices just slightly more expensive than taking a taxi.
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no promoting own business... we know you are a co-owner...
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hello everyone, can we survive with 2k salary in singapore? accommodation and living expenses rate? how much can we save? 500sgd?

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Guys, I went to get my driver license extract the other day at JPJ. but they told me I will need to write a formal letter for that and also my Malaysia license will be disabled after that.

I passed my theory test for the conversion but seems like I can't get the document for that conversion.

Please help. Previously I heard only JB JPJ will do that. But I was getting it in perak.

Oh, when I told that staff license extract they didn't understand. I had to tell her for license conversion in sg. In the end I didn't get the extract.
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That's why I use http://www.carclub.com.sg/. Roughly $10 per hour and $0.30 per km, convenience of owning a car and driving yourself anywhere at prices just slightly more expensive than taking a taxi.
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hmmm...can consider then
last time i clicked...i saw membership fee thingy then sweat.gif sweat.gif
edit: eh...still got membership fee eh

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hello everyone, can we survive with 2k salary in singapore? accommodation and living expenses rate? how much can we save? 500sgd?
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I remembered I spent around $1k for expenses including rental, internet, and utility. But, you may spend more than $1k if you live alone in rental apartment. So, I think it's better for you to share rental apartment with your friend(s) or family member(s).

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What professionals do they currently need? Would an IT graduate in computer science have a good chance finding a job there?
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hmmm...can consider then
last time i clicked...i saw membership fee thingy then  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
edit: eh...still got membership fee eh

Yeah still got membership fee, $10+gst per month sad.gif

registration fee is $100 but every other month they have waive registration fee promo
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Yeah still got membership fee, $10+gst per month sad.gif

registration fee is $100 but every other month they have waive registration fee promo
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oh...can waive registration.
contemplating now...the pick up point is like just 3 blocks away. sweat.gif sweat.gif
very tempting...especially when thinking of bring out my new born. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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What professionals do they currently need? Would an IT graduate in computer science have a good chance finding a job there?
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with tonnes of IT graduate, with same piece of paper
i think only way one can edge another out is by their look sweat.gif
so u ask yourself this, are u good looking or not, if u are, then u have a very good chance thumbup.gif

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with tonnes of IT graduate, with same piece of paper
i think only way one can edge another out is by their look  sweat.gif
so u ask yourself this, are u good looking or not, if u are, then u have a very good chance  thumbup.gif
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That's where good looking female IT graduates has an edge over male IT graduates. drool.gif
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not really  sweat.gif
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so that singapore can get cheap labour from malaysia  brows.gif
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Hi, so u working at sg now? I heard my fren said that the tax for hire malaysian have increased?
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Not quite what I would have instinctively concluded. But I guess it really depends who the survey respondents were:

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Hi, so u working at sg now? I heard my fren said that the tax for hire malaysian have increased?
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tax? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
u mean as in the levy for hiring foreign talents? YES...its not only malaysian...but every non-SG PR/Citizen

Link
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QUOTE(newaisa @ Nov 7 2013, 08:13 AM)
Guys, I went to get my driver license extract the other day at JPJ. but they told me I will need to write a formal letter for that and also my Malaysia license will be disabled after that.

I passed my theory test for the conversion but seems like I can't get the document for that conversion.

Please help. Previously I heard only JB JPJ will do that. But I was getting it in perak.

Oh, when I told that staff license extract they didn't understand. I had to tell her for license conversion in sg. In the end I didn't get the extract.
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Y u mention conversion.. Just say u need it for insurance or school purpose.. Hvnt u been reading thread?

Also you don't have to do it urself, ur parents can do it..

QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Nov 7 2013, 09:25 AM)
hmmm...can consider then
last time i clicked...i saw membership fee thingy then  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
edit: eh...still got membership fee eh
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Ohh.. All membership fees are waived if you're member of royal vvip club.. Pm deodorant for membership..

QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Nov 7 2013, 11:38 AM)
oh...can waive registration.
contemplating now...the pick up point is like just 3 blocks away.  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
very tempting...especially when thinking of bring out my new born.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Congrats.. rclxms.gif
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hello everyone, can we survive with 2k salary in singapore? accommodation and living expenses rate? how much can we save? 500sgd?
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Depends on where you're coming from..my current take home pay is only $600 and i can still survive..barely sweat.gif doh.gif
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Depends on where you're coming from..my current take home pay is only $600 and i can still survive..barely sweat.gif  doh.gif
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oh, how much is the rental approx? foods permth? don't mind telling me how much you earn?
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I passed my theory test for the conversion but seems like I can't get the document for that conversion.

Please help. Previously I heard only JB JPJ will do that. But I was getting it in perak.
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oh, how much is the rental approx? foods permth? don't mind telling me how much you earn?
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Rental can cost from SGD 400 to SGD 600 (If sharing) to SGD 700 to SGD 1k+ (If alone).
Food usually cost between SGD 300 to SGD 600/1k depending on how often you can eat cheap economical rice lol.

Regarding rental, don't mean to sound racist here...
but if you ever get a dirty housemate from countryside mainland china or some exotic countries.... good luck don't let the bed bugs bite.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 8 2013, 12:39 AM)
Rental can cost from SGD 400 to SGD 600 (If sharing) to SGD 700 to SGD 1k+ (If alone).
Food usually cost between SGD 300 to SGD 600/1k depending on how often you can eat cheap economical rice lol.

Regarding rental, don't mean to sound racist here...
but if you ever get a dirty housemate from countryside mainland china or some exotic countries.... good luck don't let the bed bugs bite.
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there're dorms... ranging from @200 - 350 rclxms.gif

dirty housemate from msia or sg is ok? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Nov 8 2013, 01:07 AM)
there're dorms... ranging from @200 - 350  rclxms.gif

dirty housemate from msia or sg is ok?  hmm.gif
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Have you ever stayed with someone that stinks so badly that people can recognise you from smell alone ?
How about someone with a few kg of leftovers under their bed ?
Shoes/slippers are good for public toilets, streets and room too. The same pair BTW.
Or clothing cupboard that smells of piss, heck the entire place smells of piss.

Dirty usually means a whole different level when it comes to a certain group of people.
As dirty as some Malaysian and Singaporean may be, I've not met anyone who qualify in the above 4 criteria.

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Need some tips from you guys. I tool an MC leave and I am fine though. I am going and must have to visit a clinic, what do I tell the doctor?
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Need some tips from you guys. I tool an MC leave and I am fine though. I am going and must have to visit a clinic, what do I tell the doctor?
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Then why did you take MC if you are feeling fine?
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tax?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
u mean as in the levy for hiring foreign talents? YES...its not only malaysian...but every non-SG PR/Citizen

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oo..I see....the currency rate mk me feel sg is a gd place to work..hmm..
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 8 2013, 01:21 AM)
Have you ever stayed with someone that stinks so badly that people can recognise you from smell alone ?
How about someone with a few kg of leftovers under their bed ?
Shoes/slippers are good for public toilets, streets and room too. The same pair BTW.
Or clothing cupboard that smells of piss, heck the entire place smells of piss.

Dirty usually means a whole different level when it comes to a certain group of people.
As dirty as some Malaysian and Singaporean may be, I've not met anyone who qualify in the above 4 criteria.
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Sounds like things you encounter sharing room in uni.
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QUOTE(babycry123 @ Nov 8 2013, 11:24 AM)
Need some tips from you guys. I tool an MC leave and I am fine though. I am going and must have to visit a clinic, what do I tell the doctor?

So you took fake MC to do something else rather than apply for leave, and now want us to teach you how to tipu the doctor? doh.gif Just say migraine and diaorrhea lor.

QUOTE(ssilvia @ Nov 8 2013, 12:13 PM)
oo..I see....the currency rate mk me feel sg is a gd place to work..hmm..

SG is not a particularly happy place for freshies or (relatively) inexperienced hires now thanks to high rental, housing and car prices and almost-at-capacity public transport.
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just wondering does most employer allow muslim to pray and do they allocate a prayer room in the office?

also, is it easy to find a mosque for friday prayer?
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 8 2013, 01:21 AM)
Have you ever stayed with someone that stinks so badly that people can recognise you from smell alone ?
How about someone with a few kg of leftovers under their bed ?
Shoes/slippers are good for public toilets, streets and room too. The same pair BTW.
Or clothing cupboard that smells of piss, heck the entire place smells of piss.

Dirty usually means a whole different level when it comes to a certain group of people.
As dirty as some Malaysian and Singaporean may be, I've not met anyone who qualify in the above 4 criteria.
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Well, last time i have bedbug issue with malaysians. the bed is very obvious with begbug spot on it yet she still use it. rclxub.gif
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just wondering does most employer allow muslim to pray and do they allocate a prayer room in the office?

also, is it easy to find a mosque for friday prayer?
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there's no provision that mandate a requirement for Muslim prayer's room here in Sg. Most just take a short break from their daily routine and do their prayers.
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QUOTE(yhoong12 @ Nov 8 2013, 02:38 PM)
Well, last time i have bedbug issue with malaysians. the bed is very obvious with begbug spot on it yet she still use it. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(smiley.kambing @ Nov 8 2013, 02:15 PM)
just wondering does most employer allow muslim to pray and do they allocate a prayer room in the office?

also, is it easy to find a mosque for friday prayer?
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prayer rooms in office? No. Never seen one. Space is a premium and they are not going to pay a premium so that a minority few can pray.
If yr a muslim and expect the same convenience or treatments u get in msia, you are in for a wake up call. Even halal food is hard to find (but not impossible unless its fast food). Mosque don't appear in every neighbourhood and taking time off for prayers on fri is frowned upon. And if you think the non muslims in msia are anti muslims wait till you hear what ordinary sgians say about muslims.

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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Nov 8 2013, 01:58 PM)
Sounds like things you encounter sharing room in uni.
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I select my housemates/roomates.
Most of that occurred to my close friends instead.
I know people who encounter this in both hostel uni and outside.
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QUOTE(yhoong12 @ Nov 8 2013, 02:38 PM)
Well, last time i have bedbug issue with malaysians. the bed is very obvious with begbug spot on it yet she still use it. rclxub.gif
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Bedbugs can occur to anyone regardless of hygiene, culture, race, location, time, etc etc.
The only trouble free way to get rid of them is by hiring an exterminator.
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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Nov 8 2013, 06:02 PM)
prayer rooms in office? No. Never seen one. Space is a premium and they are not going to pay a premium so that a minority few can pray.
If yr a muslim and expect the same convenience or treatments u get in msia, you are in for a wake up call. Even halal food is hard to find (but not impossible unless its fast food). Mosque don't appear in every neighbourhood and taking time off for prayers on fri is frowned upon. And if you think the non muslims in msia are anti muslims wait till you hear what ordinary sgians say about muslims.
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No-lah... they are not anti anything.

They just believe in AIYOT... All In Your Own Time. One's religion is one's personal issue. Spend your own time and money to pursue your personal issues.
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Is that hard to get a job in SG ?

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 8 2013, 01:21 AM)
Have you ever stayed with someone that stinks so badly that people can recognise you from smell alone ?
How about someone with a few kg of leftovers under their bed ?
Shoes/slippers are good for public toilets, streets and room too. The same pair BTW.
Or clothing cupboard that smells of piss, heck the entire place smells of piss.

Dirty usually means a whole different level when it comes to a certain group of people.
As dirty as some Malaysian and Singaporean may be, I've not met anyone who qualify in the above 4 criteria.
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i used to carry fish on my back to make sushi, my boss say using trolley will spoil d fish.. so d fish water drips on me.. even after bathing i smell like fish.. sad, but my dorm mates nvr complain

well, there're singaporean hoggers too... it is just that u dont know or see, please dont be racist like sientong

QUOTE(smiley.kambing @ Nov 8 2013, 02:15 PM)
just wondering does most employer allow muslim to pray and do they allocate a prayer room in the office?

also, is it easy to find a mosque for friday prayer?
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ppl use to borrow my room on fridays... coz i go for longer lunch on fridays... then HR designated the auditorium for prayers as my room contain confidential docs

QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Nov 8 2013, 03:34 PM)
for bedbugs and kutu elimination, pls contact our bro Tayhaithian, who is a SME on this.
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poor guy.. make so much $$$ kena kutu infestation doh.gif
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Nov 8 2013, 11:50 PM)
i used to carry fish on my back to make sushi, my boss say using trolley will spoil d fish.. so d fish water drips on me.. even after bathing i smell like fish.. sad, but my dorm mates nvr complain

well, there're singaporean hoggers too... it is just that u dont know or see, please dont be racist like sientong
ppl use to borrow my room on fridays... coz i go for longer lunch on fridays... then HR designated the auditorium for prayers as my room contain confidential docs
poor guy.. make so much $$$ kena kutu infestation  doh.gif
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Fish smell is still acceptable.
Faeces smell however...
What I meant is that person stinks like shit so much that my friend who's staying in the same unit starting smelling like shit too.

I'm a realist, but most importantly, I'm not a hypocrite.
I would rather stay with an educated Malaysian regardless of race than a construction worker fresh from a village in Bangladesh.
My personal experience tell me there would be a lesser chance of hygiene problems if I stayed with the former.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 9 2013, 01:08 AM)
Fish smell is still acceptable.
Faeces smell however...
What I meant is that person stinks like shit so much that my friend who's staying in the same unit starting smelling like shit too.

I'm a realist, but most importantly, I'm not a hypocrite.
I would rather stay with an educated Malaysian regardless of race than a construction worker fresh from a village in Bangladesh.
My personal experience tell me there would be a lesser chance of hygiene problems if I stayed with the former.
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How about a less educated Malaysian construction worker with mud patches on the boots, dust all over the shirt and smell of sweat at the end of the of day, will I be discriminated against by fellow highly educated countrymen?

So regret never study good good in when in school. Now people look at me down always say from kampung. cry.gif
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 9 2013, 01:08 AM)
Fish smell is still acceptable.
Faeces smell however...
What I meant is that person stinks like shit so much that my friend who's staying in the same unit starting smelling like shit too.

I'm a realist, but most importantly, I'm not a hypocrite.
I would rather stay with an educated Malaysian regardless of race than a construction worker fresh from a village in Bangladesh.
My personal experience tell me there would be a lesser chance of hygiene problems if I stayed with the former.
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faeces is diff case la... no one in d right mind would want themselves to smell like shiet, in america a lot of homeless smell like pee... pity them doh.gif

QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Nov 9 2013, 09:25 AM)
How about a less educated Malaysian construction worker with mud patches on the boots, dust all over the shirt and smell of sweat at the end of the of day, will I be discriminated against by fellow highly educated countrymen?

So regret never study good good in when in school. Now people look at me down always say from kampung. cry.gif
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cry.gif same here too... my body sometimes covered in blood stains from fish/beef... coz d apron couldnt cover whole body doh.gif
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For job application in Malaysia, we include our name, address and telephone number on the top of the resume. For job application in Singapore, is it OK to include our Malaysia contact details? Would that caused the resume to be flushed straight to the 'rejected' side?
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QUOTE(dewVP @ Nov 9 2013, 09:42 AM)
For job application in Malaysia, we include our name, address and telephone number on the top of the resume. For job application in Singapore, is it OK to include our Malaysia contact details? Would that caused the resume to be flushed straight to the 'rejected' side?
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Well, it's highly possible that they may not contact you if you include Malaysia contacts. Why? It's because some Malaysians and other foreigners like Philippines and India who are already in Singapore are looking for a job there. So, they prefer calling Malaysians or other foreigners who are now in Singapore for easier and faster interviews.
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QUOTE(vern17 @ Nov 8 2013, 11:18 PM)
Is that hard to get a job in SG ?
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Yes, you need to work very hard to get a job there because many people including Singaporeans are fighting for "rice".

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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Nov 9 2013, 09:25 AM)
How about a less educated Malaysian construction worker with mud patches on the boots, dust all over the shirt and smell of sweat at the end of the of day, will I be discriminated against by fellow highly educated countrymen?

So regret never study good good in when in school. Now people look at me down always say from kampung. cry.gif
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Coming back dirty, muddy, sweaty and so on is normal.
It's what you do that matters. Eg: If they bath once a week vs they bath after coming back from work.

Would you mind staying with a construction worker like that ?
My tolerance level is about the same as yours too.


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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 9 2013, 01:08 AM)
I'm a realist, but most importantly, I'm not a hypocrite.
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You are spot on!!! Don't be a self righteous troll like alascuntbunny.

If that's your opinion, then no fear stating your opinion. There will always be impotent hypocrites trying to feel important on their high horse, trying to infer that your opinion doesn't match their fake morality. You can plainly see that all the "personal experiences" he posts are fake and are merely attention-seeking attempts to mislead newbies so that he can entertain himself at their expense.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 9 2013, 12:02 PM)
Coming back dirty, muddy, sweaty and so on is normal.
It's what you do that matters. Eg: If they bath once a week vs they bath after coming back from work.

Would you mind staying with a construction worker like that ?
My tolerance level is about the same as yours too.
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I worked with them closely so I guess I don't mind. Btw, most construction workers stay in dormitory provided their company. They don't and can't rent room because they don't have work pass. So, I don't know where to find a construction worker to be room mate or house mate.
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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Nov 9 2013, 07:31 PM)
I worked with them closely so I guess I don't mind. Btw, most construction workers stay in dormitory provided their company. They don't and can't rent room because they don't have work pass. So, I don't know where to find a construction worker to be room mate or house mate.
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So if most construction workers already have accommodation then there's nothing to worry about.

BTW, not wanting to stay together =/= discriminating against.
I wouldn't like to stay with someone who's an expert drummer but practices all night long. That doesn't mean I can't have a sense of respect towards his tenacity.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 9 2013, 01:08 AM)
Fish smell is still acceptable.
Faeces smell however...
What I meant is that person stinks like shit so much that my friend who's staying in the same unit starting smelling like shit too.

I'm a realist, but most importantly, I'm not a hypocrite.
I would rather stay with an educated Malaysian regardless of race than a construction worker fresh from a village in Bangladesh.
My personal experience tell me there would be a lesser chance of hygiene problems if I stayed with the former.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 10 2013, 04:11 AM)
So if most construction workers already have accommodation then there's nothing to worry about.

BTW, not wanting to stay together =/= discriminating against.
I wouldn't like to stay with someone who's an expert drummer but practices all night long. That doesn't mean I can't have a sense of respect towards his tenacity.
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If you did not stay with one, where comes your "personal experience" regarding construction worker? Based on your perspective that they are worse off than educated people? Judging the book by the cover NTU taught you yeah?

I live with one until today, only finish primary school, come from a rural area. No hygiene problem. I guess when he started working most people think of him the way you do. Dirty, smelly, uneducated and uncivilised. Since young I have being hearing with all this "study hard if not you end up working as janitor and labourer", but the teachers don't know some of the blue collar worker don't even have the chance to study because their family can't afford it. And so they breed people like you looking down workers and you trying to pass on this "thought-you-are-an-elite" kind of thinking.

Not wanting to stay is a form of discriminating. Put it in a nice way is your preference, good way to comfort yourself, put it in another way is discrimination. Discriminate against the smell, discriminate against the loud practice.

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How about a less educated Malaysian construction worker with mud patches on the boots, dust all over the shirt and smell of sweat at the end of the of day, will I be discriminated against by fellow highly educated countrymen?

So regret never study good good in when in school. Now people look at me down always say from kampung. cry.gif
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If you did not stay with one, where comes your "personal experience" regarding construction worker? Based on your perspective that they are worse off than educated people? Judging the book by the cover NTU taught you yeah?

I live with one until today, only finish primary school, come from a rural area. No hygiene problem. I guess when he started working most people think of him the way you do. Dirty, smelly, uneducated and uncivilised. Since young I have being hearing with all this "study hard if not you end up working as janitor and labourer", but the teachers don't know some of the blue collar worker don't even have the chance to study because their family can't afford it. And so they breed people like you looking down workers and you trying to pass on this "thought-you-are-an-elite" kind of thinking.

Not wanting to stay is a form of discriminating. Put it in a nice way is your preference, good way to comfort yourself, put it in another way is discrimination. Discriminate against the smell, discriminate against the loud practice.
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So you stayed with a Bangladeshi construction worker when you were young until today ?

Note that I did not mention anything about Malaysian construction workers nor do I have anything against them.
It's just that everyone suddenly zeroed in on the "construction worker" part and started the personal flaming and trolling with their holier than thou mentality and hypocrisy.
In fact you're now judging the book by the cover when you assumed that I was a "elitist".
Did you know that I've close relatives who're once janitors ? I've nothing but respect for them, not to mention I once lived with them too.

My bad experiences was with a different group of people(who come from a certain location far from Malaysia/SG) and I would do anything to avoid being that position again.
I know some of their culture, and I would rather not deal with it. Eg: Wearing shoes inside. This doesn't mean I look down towards them, in fact some of them are extremely brilliant in what they do.

Some people don't really like to live with their parents/parents in law for the rest of their live. Is that discrimination ?
Some people don't like to live with smokers because they have asthma. Is that discrimination ?
If you put it that way, you discriminate every single day too.

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I saw many Singaporean employers and headhunters are looking for engineers with diploma/Nitec only. And not many engineering positions, mostly technicians. Anyone knows the reason behind?
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I saw many Singaporean employers and headhunters are looking for engineers with diploma/Nitec only. And not many engineering positions, mostly technicians. Anyone knows the reason behind?
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if those with diploma/nitec can do d job, why hire bachelor holders? in sg, poly/ite grads area actually very high standard...
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Nov 8 2013, 02:03 PM)
So you took fake MC to do something else rather than apply for leave, and now want us to teach you how to tipu the doctor? doh.gif Just say migraine and diaorrhea lor.
SG is not a particularly happy place for freshies or (relatively) inexperienced hires now thanks to high rental, housing and car prices and almost-at-capacity public transport.
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lol..i still thinking wanna go thr to work..but scare cnt find a gd job..any recommend?
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I saw many Singaporean employers and headhunters are looking for engineers with diploma/Nitec only. And not many engineering positions, mostly technicians. Anyone knows the reason behind?
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Cause they are willing to work more, and they have lower entry pay than engineers with degree.

They need more technicians cause mostly those technical work like wiring, wielding, and etc , technicians are better.. and again, pay is lower.

Consider a fresh grad engineer and technician, they will go for technicians. With the entry salary of a fresh grad with degree they can hire a 2-3 experience technicians. That's why now companies are trying to cut down on engineers. They also do not mind to hire someone with a diploma with many years of experience with the title engineer.

In engineering, experience is far more important than the paper. That's why sometimes you can see diploma holders getting an engineer post.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 10 2013, 02:30 PM)
So you stayed with a Bangladeshi construction worker when you were young until today ?

Note that I did not mention anything about Malaysian construction workers nor do I have anything against them.
It's just that everyone suddenly zeroed in on the "construction worker" part and started the personal flaming and trolling with their holier than thou mentality and hypocrisy.
In fact you're now judging the book by the cover when you assumed that I was a "elitist".
Did you know that I've close relatives who're once janitors ? I've nothing but respect for them, not to mention I once lived with them too.

My bad experiences was with a different group of people(who come from a certain location far from Malaysia/SG) and I would do anything to avoid being that position again.
I know some of their culture, and I would rather not deal with it. Eg: Wearing shoes inside. This doesn't mean I look down towards them, in fact some of them are extremely brilliant in what they do.

Some people don't really like to live with their parents/parents in law for the rest of their live. Is that discrimination ?
Some people don't like to live with smokers because they have asthma. Is that discrimination ?
If you put it that way, you discriminate every single day too.
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So you discriminating against certain race then? Racist? Wikipedia quote for you:

Discrimination is the prejudicial and/or distinguishing treatment of an individual based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated."

Your last 2 question, yes, they are discriminating the other groups. Similarly, I am too in certain way.

You are behaving like a hypocrite too by saying you not discriminating them, but still saying bad things about their smell, behaviour and culture.

Hello, judging a book by its cover mean you judge a person based on appearance. In your case, condemn the whole race for some example you had. After reading few posts of yours, that is not judging a book by its cover, its like reading a page of the book and judging it.

Nah I know you are not an elite as you finding room mates to share the cost of your room. So, don't act like one and saying workers are worse off than educated people like you. Your boss will see you as worker like the way you see Bangla if you believe in karma. Don't believe? Look at the pay your boss or client for your photography job they paying you. If an elite with high pay, you won't be finding room mate here.
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So you discriminating against certain race then? Racist? Wikipedia quote for you:

Discrimination is the prejudicial and/or distinguishing treatment of an individual based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated."

Your last 2 question, yes, they are discriminating the other groups. Similarly, I am too in certain way.

You are behaving like a hypocrite too by saying you not discriminating them, but still saying bad things about their smell, behaviour and culture.

Hello, judging a book by its cover mean you judge a person based on appearance. In your case, condemn the whole race for some example you had. After reading few posts of yours, that is not judging a book by its cover, its like reading a page of the book and judging it.

Nah I know you are not an elite as you finding room mates to share the cost of your room. So, don't act like one and saying workers are worse off than educated people like you. Your boss will see you as worker like the way you see Bangla if you believe in karma. Don't believe? Look at the pay your boss or client for your photography job they paying you. If an elite with high pay, you won't be finding room mate here.
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1. Who I choose to stay with is my personal choice.
My choice is simple.
I do not want to stay with someone who has recently arrive from a rural location with relatively bad sanitation.
http://www.socialprogressimperative.org/da...r10,idr11,idr12
Why ? Because there is a chance it will take a while for them to get used to better sanitation. That and my own personal experience.
You say they're clean. Back it up.
But unless you've a sample size bigger than that research, there's no point arguing that they do not have any cleanliness issues compared to regular Sg/My.

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2. If you discriminate too by your own definition... Why do you have an issue when others are doing it ?

Hypocritical snob

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After reading few posts of yours, that is not judging a book by its cover, its like reading a page of the book and judging it.

Seriously ? You're arguing on this ? I can't even....
Either way, point proven. You judge people without knowing jack shit about them.

Discriminating judgemental hypocrite

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4. Another personal attack ? First on their education and now on their income ? Not like I've any problems at all with that.
Aren't you becoming the same exact thing you despise ? What gives you the right to judge people you don't even know about anyway ?
Heck, at least I've done research and several personal experience to back my decision/preference which will affect the quality of my household hygiene.

From what you say, you believe that elite has the right to discriminate too ? So you judge that I'm not an elite so I can't discriminate ?

This is a textbook definition of an
Insecure elitist

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Seriously, did you ever try to stop and read whatever you type before posting them?
Because you're accusing people of the characteristics .... that you show in even greater magnitude in the same post !!!

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applying work at SG need to bring graduation certificate also? laugh.gif
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would recommend legal / finance / banking for the money  rclxms.gif
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now now, lets keep things constructive shall we? legenglee have his concerns n also views... we shall respect it eventhough it may not be right... fiona, dont attack him personally la... we should all refrain from being like sientong... a lot of us left msia coz the gov discriminate against us, lets us not discriminate against others, foreigners or locals alike 
u think leh?  hmm.gif
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What about Singapore? “Projected salary increases after inflation will amount to 1.8% in 2014,” reports Quane. “This is down from the 2.2% real wage increases that employees in Singapore are currently experiencing.” This number is based on ECA’s survey of 129 companies in the Lion City.



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Is it easy to find a 4 rooms HDB in Singapore? I planning to rent a unit with my friends. But seems all 4 rooms HDB, the 4th room seems can't be even call a room.

Is it common to have 5 rooms on a HDB
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Is it easy to find a 4 rooms HDB in Singapore? I planning to rent a unit with my friends. But seems all 4 rooms HDB, the 4th room seems can't be even call a room.

Is it common to have 5 rooms on a HDB
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In Singapore...
A 3 rooms HDB would actually just mean a 2 bedroom + 1 living room + 1 utility room.
A 4 rooms HDB would be a 3 Bedroom + 1 living room + 1 utility room and so on.

There are 4 bedrooms HDB around, but they're rare and they're more likely to be older units.
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would recommend legal / finance / banking for the money  rclxms.gif
ohh..  doh.gif  i forgot..
now now, lets keep things constructive shall we? legenglee have his concerns n also views... we shall respect it eventhough it may not be right... fiona, dont attack him personally la... we should all refrain from being like sientong... a lot of us left msia coz the gov discriminate against us, lets us not discriminate against others, foreigners or locals alike 
u think leh?  hmm.gif
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just wondering does most employer allow muslim to pray and do they allocate a prayer room in the office?

also, is it easy to find a mosque for friday prayer?
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2. Allocate , NO - you manage yourself. eg, anson road - either u pray at carpark area at international plaza or the mosque near sbs bus depot.
3. Mosque, depends on area but usually there are mosque within few MRT station or need to take bus.

Depends on the company, some allow to go Friday prayer , you manage your own time but some require you to get supporting letter from MUIS.



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they will normally ask  u to bring along all your academic certs and professional certs...
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Yea something like geologist, but we are service, so won't be that long out the sea, maybe 2 weeks, the thing is, if business very good, it will be consequently.

The stress normally comes from travelling and also the job scope. They might send you to service eventhou you do not have much experience. More to site learning I would say, hopefully they provide training to you. =)

Wah! your dad really passionate about his job.. haha..! We only work 7 days a week offshore. But in the office we are quite free and work 5 days a week. So there is some balance there. haha..
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Sorry the late reply, was packing up to go to SG.

Yeah, you got it right on the spot. He used to be a Geologist for ExxonMobil for 40 years. Now enjoying his retirement, but he still reads about geology stuff and national geographic (true passion indeed laugh.gif )

I had an interview with the company, they told me there is a lot of travel required in the job. Even to work in rigs/vessel for months. But I will be trained before going offshore, training will be given for a period of 1 year then i need to repay the service for 1-2 years thereafter. But like all 'training", it is basically throwing me into the lake of fire and see if i can swim. So, that is pretty much expected from my previous job at the mines.

Wah, you get a balance between office and site. That is pretty sweet. But I had discovered I love site work more than office. I did try office work, it is fun and good engineering design learning but nothing beats the actual joy of seeing the work being executed at site biggrin.gif .


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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Nov 11 2013, 10:06 PM)
In Singapore...
A 3 rooms HDB would actually just mean a 2 bedroom + 1 living room + 1 utility room.
A 4 rooms HDB would be a 3 Bedroom + 1 living room + 1 utility room and so on.

There are 4 bedrooms HDB around, but they're rare and they're more likely to be older units.
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lol, i seen people posting the maid/spare room before and still charge SGD 600-700 buck. unbelievable laugh.gif .
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QUOTE(jay2011 @ Nov 11 2013, 09:40 PM)
Hey all,

Is it easy to find a 4 rooms HDB in Singapore? I planning to rent a unit with my friends. But seems all 4 rooms HDB, the 4th room seems can't be even call a room.

Is it common to have 5 rooms on a HDB
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4 room HDB rental starts easily from SGD2.2k(Woodlands area) and can go up all the way to even SGD3k+++ depending on location. Utilities are not included in the rental pricing of course!!
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QUOTE(razo2 @ Nov 12 2013, 10:42 AM)
Sorry the late reply, was packing up to go to SG.

Yeah, you got it right on the spot. He used to be a Geologist for ExxonMobil for 40 years. Now enjoying his retirement, but he still reads about geology stuff and national geographic (true passion indeed  laugh.gif )

I had an interview with the company, they told me there is a lot of travel required in the job. Even to work in rigs/vessel for months.  But I will be trained before going offshore, training will be given for a period of 1 year then i need to repay the service for 1-2 years thereafter. But like all 'training", it is basically throwing me into the lake of fire and see if i can swim. So, that is pretty much expected from my previous job at the mines.

Wah, you get a balance between office and site. That is pretty sweet. But I had discovered I love site work more than office. I did try office work, it is fun and good engineering design learning but nothing beats the actual joy of seeing the work being executed at site  biggrin.gif .
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We do get some balance, but it really fully depends on your boss management capability and also the work load... Sometimes we do not get to come back for months.. haha..

Yep, I prefer site job too, office job is just too boring for me.. haha..
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i see.

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Some 2,600 Employment Passes not renewed in first half of this year sweat.gif

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If you are going to convert your license, try not to go to SSDC (at Woodlands).
Unless your JPJ letter has a chop and signed by JPJ officer (on the paper which states computer generated and no signature required) sweat.gif sweat.gif and you are willing to wait.
Try Comfort Delgro (at Ubi). Can even go at lunch time which very short or no queue at all.
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Not much jobs for malaysian in the advertisement sad.gif

Those never state only Singaporean/SPR, can I apply those?? or if stated malaysian then only can apply..dunno which company hires malaysian for fresh graduate..
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QUOTE(snowbell8 @ Nov 13 2013, 06:30 PM)
Not much jobs for malaysian in the advertisement sad.gif

Those never state only Singaporean/SPR, can I apply those?? or if stated malaysian then only can apply..dunno which company hires malaysian for fresh graduate..
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QUOTE(snowbell8 @ Nov 13 2013, 06:30 PM)
Not much jobs for malaysian in the advertisement sad.gif

Those never state only Singaporean/SPR, can I apply those?? or if stated malaysian then only can apply..dunno which company hires malaysian for fresh graduate..
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Malaysian fresh grad? Harder than to find a needle in a haystack.
Currently what the news was (if i read it correctly) is that companies will have to advertise in a job bank meant for Singaporeans for at least 3 months(?). Only if they fail to find a suitable candidate are they allowed to open the application to the foreigners. This applies to job <SGD12k so as a fresh grad its highly unlikely they will have difficulties finding local grad to fill the vacancy.

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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Nov 13 2013, 05:43 PM)
Just for everyone's info:
If you are going to convert your license, try not to go to SSDC (at Woodlands).
Unless your JPJ letter has a chop and signed by JPJ officer (on the paper which states computer generated and no signature required) sweat.gif sweat.gif and you are willing to wait.
Try Comfort Delgro (at Ubi). Can even go at lunch time which very short or no queue at all.
Not sure about bukit batok
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i thought all extract letter got signature and chop?

did at bkt batok, very satisfied rclxms.gif although location takes a while to reach...

QUOTE(snowbell8 @ Nov 13 2013, 06:30 PM)
Not much jobs for malaysian in the advertisement sad.gif

Those never state only Singaporean/SPR, can I apply those?? or if stated malaysian then only can apply..dunno which company hires malaysian for fresh graduate..
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apply only.. its free rclxms.gif
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What would be a comfortable or at least bearable salary range if we go to Singapore? Assuming have to pay for rental, transportation, misc. expenses, the usual drills. I actually don't know how much is the income tax, come to think about it.
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What would be a comfortable or at least bearable salary range if we go to Singapore? Assuming have to pay for rental, transportation, misc. expenses, the usual drills. I actually don't know how much is the income tax, come to think about it.

1st post already got sort of minimum expenses range. income tax go google, the tax rates are lower than Malaysia.
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Nov 14 2013, 01:38 AM)
What would be a comfortable or at least bearable salary range if we go to Singapore? Assuming have to pay for rental, transportation, misc. expenses, the usual drills. I actually don't know how much is the income tax, come to think about it.
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1st post already got sort of minimum expenses range. income tax go google, the tax rates are lower than Malaysia.
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Thanks, I just checked it.
Wow, Malaysians working under employment/work passes are exempted from paying CPF. Meaning the salary you get is what you get at the end of the month, that's good nod.gif

Reason of asking is I'm not too sure what is a reasonable salary range in S'pore. Like, is few thousands considered low or 5k considered standard...or 7k is very high, etc. Just need a picture so that I know if one is under or overpaid.
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Thanks, I just checked it.
Wow, Malaysians working under employment/work passes are exempted from paying CPF. Meaning the salary you get is what you get at the end of the month, that's good nod.gif

Reason of asking is I'm not too sure what is a reasonable salary range in S'pore. Like, is few thousands considered low or 5k considered standard...or 7k is very high, etc. Just need a picture so that I know if one is under or overpaid.
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You should at least say what job you are applying and how many years of experience.
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Wow, Malaysians working under employment/work passes are exempted from paying CPF. Meaning the salary you get is what you get at the end of the month, that's good nod.gif
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Good if you need the money now.

Some people would prefer to have CPF deductions so that they can get the Employer’s share of CPF contribution which is 16%, that they can withdraw when they reach the retirement age.




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Sorry, I was thinking about the general masses when I typed that. I'm not applying for any jobs there now as there are none suitable available yet and I'm not sure how much I should expect myself to get.

But if I were to try, it would be for a senior role with about 8 years of working experience in IT/manufacturing industry in shared services function.

QUOTE(tengah @ Nov 14 2013, 04:50 PM)
Good if you need the money now.

Some people would prefer to have CPF deductions so that they can get the Employer’s share of CPF contribution which is 16%, that they can withdraw when they reach the retirement age.
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Oh, right...didn't think about that...but I guess since we're not a citizen of Singapore, that wouldn't matter to us.
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Nov 14 2013, 01:38 AM)
What would be a comfortable or at least bearable salary range if we go to Singapore? Assuming have to pay for rental, transportation, misc. expenses, the usual drills. I actually don't know how much is the income tax, come to think about it.
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comfortable ? S$5k maybe, if you are still single and no other commitment.
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Nov 14 2013, 05:23 PM)
Sorry, I was thinking about the general masses when I typed that. I'm not applying for any jobs there now as there are none suitable available yet and I'm not sure how much I should expect myself to get.

But if I were to try, it would be for a senior role with about 8 years of working experience in IT/manufacturing industry in shared services function.
Oh, right...didn't think about that...but I guess since we're not a citizen of Singapore, that wouldn't matter to us.
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Some companies will pay you back the supposed CPF portion (my company did) and you will have a win win situation. But to get such employer is not easy...I was in luck when I got the job.
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comfortable ? S$5k maybe, if you are still single and no other commitment.
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I don't have that much commitment. Thanks for your insight in this.

QUOTE(stickynote @ Nov 14 2013, 09:14 PM)
Some companies will pay you back the supposed CPF portion (my company did) and you will have a win win situation. But to get such employer is not easy...I was in luck when I got the job.
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Why the world's ultra rich are flocking into Singapore right now

Singapore’s average wealth per adult is currently US$282,000 (5th in the world)

The number of High-Net-Worth (HNW) individuals rose 21.5% in 2012

HNW Individuals hold USD 857 billion in wealth

The number of HNW individuals in Singapore expected to rise 58% by 2017

HNW Individual wealth expected to surpass USD 1.38 trillion by 2017

Assets under management across Singapore hit a record high of USD 1.29 trillion

The degree of wealth shifting to Singapore is truly staggering so it is important to look at why wealthy individuals from across the globe are seeking to make Singapore their new home. Highlighted below are some of the key reasons we are seeking such rapid growth in the number of HNW individuals shifting to Singapore.

A shift from Switzerland to Singapore

There is great talk about Singapore becoming the new Switzerland and taking the title of being the global financial hub for the world’s wealthy. Switzerland’s main attraction has always been the secrecy offering by the banking sector which has become much less applicable over recent years and without this benefit, there is little keeping the funds in Switzerland.

The Singaporean Dollar

Monetary Policy in Singapore is expected to remain on track and the Singaporean Dollar is expected to continue to gradually appreciate against other major currencies. This provides a degree of currency stability for global investors looking for a ‘safe haven’ for their investments, particularly during these times of economic volatility.

Economic Growth

Merrill Lynch is forecasting economic growth for 2013 of 3.5% and 2.8% for 2014. The Central Bank here in Singapore has also highlighted that they do not expect any material difference in the economic growth rates between this year and next. This positive growth outlook also provides for a compelling investment case for global investors.

Tax Rates

The maximum personal income tax rate in Singapore is 20% which applies to income over S$320,000. To give you some reference, here are the top income tax rates in the home countries of many expats here:

Australia – 45%
UK – 50%
France – 45%
New Zealand – 45%
There is also no tax payable on capital gains made from buying and selling financial instruments such as shares.

Where else?

China: Chinese economic data continues to show a slow-down in the economy, despite growth rates still remaining high relative to other countries.

UK: The latest IMF report, whilst reporting an upgrade in their economic outlook expects output to remain well below potential output for “many years”.

Europe: European economic concerns continue globally. BNY Mellon chief economic is quite pessimistic about whether the recent economic growth that brought them out of recession is sustainable in future years. Debt levels remain a concern and we are yet to see a great deal of structural reform.

US: The US economy has performed relatively well and is showing signs of early economic growth, however the recent debacle regarding raising the US debt ceiling and resulting government shut-down highlights an instability HNW individuals do not want to be exposed to.

There is little doubt that the wealth will continue to pour into Singapore as the benefits of being based here continue to provide for a compelling case. As a result, the Singaporean economy will continue to prosper with new jobs being created, further infrastructure developments and a strengthening financial sector.

- See more at: http://sbr.com.sg/financial-services/comme...h.CkLydoWo.dpuf
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Just got my EP approved. will start a job in SG during Dec... Hope to meet u guys soon!

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Just got my EP approved. will start a job in SG during Dec... Hope to meet u guys soon!
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Job enlistment this way --> https://forum.lowyat.net/JobEnlistments
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Why the world's ultra rich are flocking into Singapore right now

Singapore’s average wealth per adult is currently US$282,000 (5th in the world)
       
The number of High-Net-Worth (HNW) individuals rose 21.5% in 2012
     
HNW Individuals hold USD 857 billion in wealth
     
The number of HNW individuals in Singapore expected to rise 58% by 2017
     
HNW Individual wealth expected to surpass USD 1.38 trillion by 2017
     
Assets under management across Singapore hit a record high of USD 1.29 trillion

The degree of wealth shifting to Singapore is truly staggering so it is important to look at why wealthy individuals from across the globe are seeking to make Singapore their new home. Highlighted below are some of the key reasons we are seeking such rapid growth in the number of HNW individuals shifting to Singapore.

A shift from Switzerland to Singapore

There is great talk about Singapore becoming the new Switzerland and taking the title of being the global financial hub for the world’s wealthy. Switzerland’s main attraction has always been the secrecy offering by the banking sector which has become much less applicable over recent years and without this benefit, there is little keeping the funds in Switzerland.

The Singaporean Dollar

Monetary Policy in Singapore is expected to remain on track and the Singaporean Dollar is expected to continue to gradually appreciate against other major currencies. This provides a degree of currency stability for global investors looking for a ‘safe haven’ for their investments, particularly during these times of economic volatility.

Economic Growth

Merrill Lynch is forecasting economic growth for 2013 of 3.5% and 2.8% for 2014. The Central Bank here in Singapore has also highlighted that they do not expect any material difference in the economic growth rates between this year and next. This positive growth outlook also provides for a compelling investment case for global investors.

Tax Rates

The maximum personal income tax rate in Singapore is 20% which applies to income over S$320,000. To give you some reference, here are the top income tax rates in the home countries of many expats here:

        Australia – 45%
        UK – 50%
        France – 45%
        New Zealand – 45%
There is also no tax payable on capital gains made from buying and selling financial instruments such as shares.

Where else?

China: Chinese economic data continues to show a slow-down in the economy, despite growth rates still remaining high relative to other countries.

UK: The latest IMF report, whilst reporting an upgrade in their economic outlook expects output to remain well below potential output for “many years”.

Europe: European economic concerns continue globally. BNY Mellon chief economic is quite pessimistic about whether the recent economic growth that brought them out of recession is sustainable in future years. Debt levels remain a concern and we are yet to see a great deal of structural reform.

US: The US economy has performed relatively well and is showing signs of early economic growth, however the recent debacle regarding raising the US debt ceiling and resulting government shut-down highlights an instability HNW individuals do not want to be exposed to.

There is little doubt that the wealth will continue to pour into Singapore as the benefits of being based here continue to provide for a compelling case. As a result, the Singaporean economy will continue to prosper with new jobs being created, further infrastructure developments and a strengthening financial sector.

- See more at: http://sbr.com.sg/financial-services/comme...h.CkLydoWo.dpuf
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Wow this sounds good, money inflow to sg and sgd might go even stronger. Bagus bagus. The more fund inflow to sg
The better for us
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Wow this sounds good, money inflow to sg and sgd might go even stronger. Bagus bagus. The more fund inflow to sg
The better for us
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For poor working class it means inflation. cry.gif
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For poor working class it means inflation. cry.gif
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Minimum 1-2 years experience
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WUT
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Wow this sounds good, money inflow to sg and sgd might go even stronger. Bagus bagus. The more fund inflow to sg
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Nov 16 2013, 09:27 AM)
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one question, remember i have to move out of the place i staying after 1 month, the time is next week. landlady claimed i brought ants, which she never see in her unit before -.- so let say if she refuse to give back my deposit next week, what should i do?
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Nov 15 2013, 01:06 AM)
Why the world's ultra rich are flocking into Singapore right now

Singapore’s average wealth per adult is currently US$282,000 (5th in the world)
       
The number of High-Net-Worth (HNW) individuals rose 21.5% in 2012
     
HNW Individuals hold USD 857 billion in wealth
     
The number of HNW individuals in Singapore expected to rise 58% by 2017
     
HNW Individual wealth expected to surpass USD 1.38 trillion by 2017
     
Assets under management across Singapore hit a record high of USD 1.29 trillion

The degree of wealth shifting to Singapore is truly staggering so it is important to look at why wealthy individuals from across the globe are seeking to make Singapore their new home. Highlighted below are some of the key reasons we are seeking such rapid growth in the number of HNW individuals shifting to Singapore.

A shift from Switzerland to Singapore

There is great talk about Singapore becoming the new Switzerland and taking the title of being the global financial hub for the world’s wealthy. Switzerland’s main attraction has always been the secrecy offering by the banking sector which has become much less applicable over recent years and without this benefit, there is little keeping the funds in Switzerland.

The Singaporean Dollar

Monetary Policy in Singapore is expected to remain on track and the Singaporean Dollar is expected to continue to gradually appreciate against other major currencies. This provides a degree of currency stability for global investors looking for a ‘safe haven’ for their investments, particularly during these times of economic volatility.

Economic Growth

Merrill Lynch is forecasting economic growth for 2013 of 3.5% and 2.8% for 2014. The Central Bank here in Singapore has also highlighted that they do not expect any material difference in the economic growth rates between this year and next. This positive growth outlook also provides for a compelling investment case for global investors.

Tax Rates

The maximum personal income tax rate in Singapore is 20% which applies to income over S$320,000. To give you some reference, here are the top income tax rates in the home countries of many expats here:

        Australia – 45%
        UK – 50%
        France – 45%
        New Zealand – 45%
There is also no tax payable on capital gains made from buying and selling financial instruments such as shares.

Where else?

China: Chinese economic data continues to show a slow-down in the economy, despite growth rates still remaining high relative to other countries.

UK: The latest IMF report, whilst reporting an upgrade in their economic outlook expects output to remain well below potential output for “many years”.

Europe: European economic concerns continue globally. BNY Mellon chief economic is quite pessimistic about whether the recent economic growth that brought them out of recession is sustainable in future years. Debt levels remain a concern and we are yet to see a great deal of structural reform.

US: The US economy has performed relatively well and is showing signs of early economic growth, however the recent debacle regarding raising the US debt ceiling and resulting government shut-down highlights an instability HNW individuals do not want to be exposed to.

There is little doubt that the wealth will continue to pour into Singapore as the benefits of being based here continue to provide for a compelling case. As a result, the Singaporean economy will continue to prosper with new jobs being created, further infrastructure developments and a strengthening financial sector.

- See more at: http://sbr.com.sg/financial-services/comme...h.CkLydoWo.dpuf
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i am not rich, but this is the reason i come to sg
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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Nov 17 2013, 07:22 AM)
one question, remember i have to move out of the place i staying after 1 month, the time is next week. landlady claimed i brought ants, which she never see in her unit before -.- so let say if she refuse to give back my deposit next week, what should i do?
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Call police, create a scene, refuse to leave. If you don't have any proof that you paid her any deposit, then suck thumb and hope for the best.
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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Nov 17 2013, 07:22 AM)
one question, remember i have to move out of the place i staying after 1 month, the time is next week. landlady claimed i brought ants, which she never see in her unit before -.- so let say if she refuse to give back my deposit next week, what should i do?
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ur case is no agreement right? any agent? cant rmb..

neway, if u have prove that u had gave her deposit, then file a police report if she refuses to refund u...
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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Nov 16 2013, 11:22 PM)
one question, remember i have to move out of the place i staying after 1 month, the time is next week. landlady claimed i brought ants, which she never see in her unit before -.- so let say if she refuse to give back my deposit next week, what should i do?
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wow. you collecting ants ? Eating in your room ? biggrin.gif


QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Nov 17 2013, 01:54 AM)
Call police, create a scene, refuse to leave. If you don't have any proof that you paid her any deposit, then suck thumb and hope for the best.
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you think this is Malaysia, do as you please ?

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you think this is Malaysia, do as you please ?
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Hi all, I'm looking for a room, not sure if anyone can advice what is the best place to search for direct room posting from landloard? I same across sites like SGrooms, flatsdb, sg-house, propertyguru, but most of these are dominated by agent postings.
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Hi all, I'm looking for a room, not sure if anyone can advice what is the best place to search for direct room posting from landloard? I same across sites like SGrooms, flatsdb, sg-house, propertyguru, but most of these are dominated by agent postings.
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I find Easy Roommate and Craigslist give better chance to get a room without agent.
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It seems sg had tighter restrictions in foreign worker
Its hard to look for job now in sg?
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My cousin just manage to get an EP approved by MOM after appeal by his company (being rejected the first time.)
And he has >8 years working experience and earns >SGD6k p.m.
So you tell me easy or hard.
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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Nov 18 2013, 07:24 PM)
My cousin just manage to get an EP approved by MOM after appeal by his company (being rejected the first time.)
And he has >8 years working experience and earns >SGD6k p.m.
So you tell me easy or hard.
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It's hard because $6K is kinda like the sweet spot where a majority of Singaporean graduates are qualified and willing to do the job. If your cousin was earning $16K or $1.6K, then he'd have much fewer Singaporeans making life difficult for him.

This post has been edited by seantang: Nov 18 2013, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE(seantang @ Nov 18 2013, 07:29 PM)
It's hard because $6K is kinda like the sweet spot where a majority of Singaporean graduates are qualified and willing to do the job. If your cousin was earning $16K or $1.6K, then he'd have much fewer Singaporeans making life difficult for him.
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Singapore graduates gets $6k?
So high?
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Singapore graduates gets $6k?
So high?
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Graduates means the section of the Singaporean workforce who are degree holders. To discern them from non-graduate Poly diploma/ITE holders and skilled/unskilled labourers.

If I remember correctly, Singstat puts the average salary of degree holders in Singapore at around $7K.

This post has been edited by seantang: Nov 18 2013, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE(seantang @ Nov 18 2013, 11:01 PM)
Graduates means the section of the Singaporean workforce who are degree holders. To discern them from non-graduate Poly diploma/ITE holders and skilled/unskilled labourers.

If I remember correctly, Singstat puts the average salary of degree holders in Singapore at around $7K.
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I thought its dependant on the number of years of experience, the sector and the position (whether management or not)
I'm quite sure degree holder in Singapore in the Manufacturing sector, <10 years experience and not in management postition for example, do not earn an average of SGD7k.

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QUOTE(Argiope @ Nov 17 2013, 11:33 PM)
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hi ppl... anyone working as an auditor in Spore?? I got an interview this Friday for PWC spore... jz wanna ask wat they will ask so that I can prepare further... thanks in advance ppl
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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Nov 18 2013, 11:27 PM)
I thought its dependant on the number of years of experience, the sector and the position (whether management or not)
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Yes it is. That's how the average comes about.

QUOTE(robertchoom)
I quite sure degree holder in Singapore in the Manufacturing sector, <10 years experience and not in management postition for example, do not earn an average of SGD7k.
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That's a minority in the overall scheme of things. Take MNC manufacturers for example. We have an accounting service center with 50 graduates where the average salary is around $7-8K and the range is from $4K for fresh graduates to $14K for first level managers. We also have a R&D facility in Tuas that pays $5-6K for a bunch of Higher Nitec techs who have experience running/tuning a wide range of machines used by our customers.

And then you have the banking and financial industries, high tech manufacturing like aviation, electronics design, pharmaceuticals which pay more than we do. Even the govt civil service starts at $4K for good degrees in the right ministries and agencies.
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QUOTE(seantang @ Nov 18 2013, 07:29 PM)
It's hard because $6K is kinda like the sweet spot where a majority of Singaporean graduates are qualified and willing to do the job. If your cousin was earning $16K or $1.6K, then he'd have much fewer Singaporeans making life difficult for him.
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Wah, 6k for fresh grad. No wonder they dont want to hire local grads.

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Does anyone know how long it takes for EP to get approve? I submitted one week ago.
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i face a problem here, previously there is a company help me to do the work pass, but i choose other company, which the company now cant apply for the work pass if previous company dint withdraw it, i call the company to call it to withdraw it but they feel like very slow, dont want to entertain me, like dont want to withdraw for me, any solution for this? can i call the MoM to withdraw it?
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i face a problem here, previously there is a company help me to do the work pass, but i choose other company, which the company now cant apply for the work pass if previous company dint withdraw it, i call the company to call it to withdraw it but they feel like very slow, dont want to entertain me, like dont want to withdraw for me, any solution for this? can i call the MoM to withdraw it?
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Served you right.main suka suka! If I am 1st co I will just do nothing and am sure this exactly what they are doing! Applied for you then decide tak mau.
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QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Nov 19 2013, 12:44 PM)
Served you right.main suka suka! If I am 1st co I will just do nothing and am sure this exactly what they are doing! Applied for you then decide tak mau.
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1st, i am asking solution here and not looking for flame, and for the case, i dont even accept it, they straight apply for me. so do u think we should interview 1 company, wait few months see the company apply the work pass to you onot? of coz i will keep interview until i found the job, sign the letter of appointment, not main suka suka. if ur not helping, u can just keep silent and do nothing instead of posting non-constructive post
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QUOTE(dD_se7en @ Nov 19 2013, 11:56 AM)
i face a problem here, previously there is a company help me to do the work pass, but i choose other company, which the company now cant apply for the work pass if previous company dint withdraw it, i call the company to call it to withdraw it but they feel like very slow, dont want to entertain me, like dont want to withdraw for me, any solution for this? can i call the MoM to withdraw it?
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It is difficult position for you. Some employers especially those local small films would like to complain to MOM when the candidates don't report to work after working pass approval. Some worse employers even do that when foreigners choose to resign after working for sometime. No choice, they have the card to play.
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Does anyone know how long it takes for EP to get approve? I submitted one week ago.
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It can take as fast as 1 day to approve. If unlucky and they pick you to do some background check, can take up to 1 or 2 months

QUOTE(dD_se7en @ Nov 19 2013, 01:54 PM)
1st, i am asking solution here and not looking for flame, and for the case, i dont even accept it, they straight apply for me. so do u think we should interview 1 company, wait few months see the company apply the work pass to you onot? of coz i will keep interview until i found the job, sign the letter of appointment, not main suka suka. if ur not helping, u can just keep silent and do nothing instead of posting non-constructive post
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Hmm..has your work pass been approved and issued? If not approved, then the company has to withdraw it.

How did they manage to apply it for you? You would have to fill in the form and sign.
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QUOTE(dD_se7en @ Nov 19 2013, 01:54 PM)
1st, i am asking solution here and not looking for flame, and for the case, i dont even accept it, they straight apply for me. so do u think we should interview 1 company, wait few months see the company apply the work pass to you onot? of coz i will keep interview until i found the job, sign the letter of appointment, not main suka suka. if ur not helping, u can just keep silent and do nothing instead of posting non-constructive post
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Wow. Looks like the 1st company wants to be nasty to you.

It is best to seek advice from Singapore Immigration, from past experience, never ever trust anyone in the forum for immigration advice. Just call them up directly or seek an immigration adviser at SG.

http://www.mom.gov.sg/foreign-manpower/pas...ncellation.aspx

From my understanding you can cancel the online application pretty quick (seems like 7 working days is norm).
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QUOTE(hot-choc @ Nov 19 2013, 02:19 PM)
It can take as fast as 1 day to approve. If unlucky and they pick you to do some background check, can take up to 1 or 2 months
Hmm..has your work pass been approved and issued? If not approved, then the company has to withdraw it.

How did they manage to apply it for you? You would have to fill in the form and sign.
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Bugger, I guess my luck is always bad when it comes to immigration. Anal probe time! icon_idea.gif .lol,jk

Oh, well i guess need to wait.

Thanks mate.

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QUOTE(dD_se7en @ Nov 19 2013, 01:54 PM)
1st, i am asking solution here and not looking for flame, and for the case, i dont even accept it, they straight apply for me. so do u think we should interview 1 company, wait few months see the company apply the work pass to you onot? of coz i will keep interview until i found the job, sign the letter of appointment, not main suka suka. if ur not helping, u can just keep silent and do nothing instead of posting non-constructive post
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I'm surprised that the company go ahead and applied the work pass for you even though you haven't sign any offer letter or agreed to it. Is that the normal practice nowadays ?
Did you in anyway gave a strong indication of any kind that you are accepting the job?

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QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Nov 19 2013, 12:44 PM)
Served you right.main suka suka! If I am 1st co I will just do nothing and am sure this exactly what they are doing! Applied for you then decide tak mau.
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if he signed the offer letter and decided not to show up, of coz it reflected badly on us Malaysian. But if he haven't even sign the offer letter then it's another story altogether. Best is get the whole picture before making judgement.
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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Nov 19 2013, 03:21 PM)
if he signed the offer letter and decided not to show up, of coz it reflected badly on us Malaysian. But if he haven't even sign the offer letter then it's another story altogether. Best is get the whole picture before making judgement.
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Well said.
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QUOTE(hot-choc @ Nov 19 2013, 02:19 PM)
How did they manage to apply it for you? You would have to fill in the form and sign.

If I remember correctly (it's been a while), the company doesn't need your signature or even your consent to apply for the pass. You only come into the picture when bringing your IPA to complete the formalities at WPSC, EPSC, etc.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Nov 19 2013, 03:53 PM)
If I remember correctly (it's been a while), the company doesn't need your signature or even your consent to apply for the pass. You only come into the picture when bringing your IPA to complete the formalities at WPSC, EPSC, etc.
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But they still need your details such as previous work experiences, scanned copy of education certificates, etc in order to proceed with application.

Imo, it is impossible that the person whom the company applied for, does not know or have not provided the company these information/document, when the company applied his/her pass.

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QUOTE(razo2 @ Nov 19 2013, 02:22 PM)
Wow. Looks like the 1st company wants to be nasty to you.

It is best to seek advice from Singapore Immigration, from past experience, never ever trust anyone in the forum for immigration advice. Just call them up directly or seek an immigration adviser at SG.

http://www.mom.gov.sg/foreign-manpower/pas...ncellation.aspx

From my understanding you can cancel the online application pretty quick (seems like 7 working days is norm).
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QUOTE(puppyee @ Nov 19 2013, 05:32 PM)
But they still need your details such as previous work experiences, scanned copy of education certificates, etc in order to proceed with application.

Imo, it is impossible that the person whom the company applied for, does not know or have not provided the company these information/document, when the company applied his/her pass.
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those can be obtained just by requesting before hand for the person to provide during interview.
in the end, the company still have all the details required

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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Nov 19 2013, 05:36 PM)
those can be obtained just by requesting before hand for the person to provide during interview.
in the end, the company still have all the details required
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sweat.gif Probably... though I wonder why would anyone provide scanned copy of their passport for interviews. Also, there're questions that he/she needs to answer in the application form. So I still find it impossible that the person does not know or did not give consent. I've been through the process twice this year.

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If I remember correctly (it's been a while), the company doesn't need your signature or even your consent to apply for the pass. You only come into the picture when bringing your IPA to complete the formalities at WPSC, EPSC, etc.
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no one here working with SingTel or StarHub? I have phone interview coming with StarHub but not sure how the environment there.
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Another qestion

My friend received offer from a company in SG but they asked her to fill out the visa form first then only sign for the offer letter. Is that how it works? What if she not agree with the offer letter? Visa can be canceled without any issue?
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Nov 17 2013, 11:56 AM)
ur case is no agreement right? any agent? cant rmb..

neway, if u have prove that u had gave her deposit, then file a police report if she refuses to refund u...
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i have the deposit receipt. if she only want to return partial deposit, claim loss due to ants infiltrating her house?
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QUOTE(dD_se7en @ Nov 19 2013, 01:54 PM)
1st, i am asking solution here and not looking for flame, and for the case, i dont even accept it, they straight apply for me. so do u think we should interview 1 company, wait few months see the company apply the work pass to you onot? of coz i will keep interview until i found the job, sign the letter of appointment, not main suka suka. if ur not helping, u can just keep silent and do nothing instead of posting non-constructive post
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No co will apply mom if you didn't give your nod or indication to accept an offer! Need not sign any letter of offer in this case. Co also have debarment points criteria to answer mom for withdrawal. Let you know co wont do withdrawal midway, if mom reject app then case closed. If iPa issued, just wait till it lapsed with remark by co> applicant not reachable or decline offer. Either note, it will be in mom system. You can fight your case that you didn't accept offer in the first place till the moon rains. If some pepper and salt added to the remarks, you will not know at all. You can ask around many cant tell why my app just keep rejected.

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QUOTE(paintballtao @ Nov 19 2013, 08:22 PM)
i have the deposit receipt. if she only want to return partial deposit, claim loss due to ants infiltrating her house?
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she cant just claim loss due to ants, that's punitive... she have to give you the option to do something to clear the ant prob, either hire a pest control coy or u eradicate it urself... only if you dont want then she can hire services and charge you for it.. explain to her... then go to super market and buy 1 can of insecticide.. spray gao gao
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 19 2013, 08:00 PM)
Another qestion

My friend received offer from a company in SG but they asked her to fill out the visa form first then only sign for the offer letter. Is that how it works? What if she not agree with the offer letter? Visa can be canceled without any issue?
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Is the same same mine. I got an offer but apparently for hired professional, mom have to review your friend first based on working experience, education and salary. Yes, the company needs to comply with a certain amount of salary to apply for an EP for professionals. This process is to protect the local graduate from being left out in the hiring process if it is an entry level job.

Dont forget EP visa is sponsored by the company. If the company/employee pulls out, the EP visa will be invalid/cancelled (it takes 7 working days for online), if i am not mistaken. That same goes if your friend wants to switch to a different company from her previous company that sponsored her EP. This is to protect the company from being used as a EP visa provider. Her new company needs to be her new EP visa employer.

http://www.mom.gov.sg/foreign-manpower/pas...#employerchange

"To apply for a new Employment Pass whenever the Employment Pass holder changes an employer. There is no need to cancel the existing pass before doing so."

For more information:

http://www.mom.gov.sg/Documents/services-f...sConditions.pdf

page 6 onwards.


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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 19 2013, 07:32 PM)
no one here working with SingTel or StarHub? I have phone interview coming with StarHub but not sure how the environment there.
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I got a friend that worked for SingTel. As far I know, SingTel is not doing too well in business wise for their Optus at Australia.

So, not long ago my friend got canned at SingTel this year. Many people say that Singapore is learning what Australia Telstra doing, outsource their jobs to India.

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just coming back from interview at Paya Ubi this morning.

I got until tomorrow whether to accept or reject the offer.

Can I survive with $2500 in Singapore ?
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QUOTE(razo2 @ Nov 20 2013, 10:51 AM)
Is the same same mine. I got an offer but apparently for hired professional, mom have to review your friend first based on working experience, education and salary. Yes, the company needs to comply with a certain amount of salary to apply for an EP for professionals. This process is to protect the local graduate from being left out in the hiring process if it is an entry level job.

Dont forget EP visa is sponsored by the company. If the company/employee pulls out, the EP visa will be invalid/cancelled (it takes 7 working days for online), if i am not mistaken. That same goes if your friend wants to switch to a different company from her previous company that sponsored her EP. This is to protect the company from being used as a EP visa provider. Her new company needs to be her new EP visa employer.

http://www.mom.gov.sg/foreign-manpower/pas...#employerchange

"To apply for a new Employment Pass whenever the Employment Pass holder changes an employer. There is no need to cancel the existing pass before doing so."

For more information:

http://www.mom.gov.sg/Documents/services-f...sConditions.pdf

page 6 onwards.
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So it should be fine to go for visa process first then only read the hard copy of offer letter in Singapore?

QUOTE(razo2 @ Nov 20 2013, 10:53 AM)
I got a friend that worked for SingTel. As far I know, SingTel is not doing too well in business wise for their Optus at Australia.

So, not long ago my friend got canned at SingTel this year. Many people say that Singapore is learning what Australia Telstra doing, outsource their jobs to India.
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How about StarHub?
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QUOTE(skycrew @ Nov 20 2013, 03:53 PM)
Can I survive with $2500 in Singapore ?

There's plenty of bus drivers, cleaners, etc on way lower than $2500 and they aren't dying in the streets, so you could definitely survive on that.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Nov 20 2013, 05:50 PM)
There's plenty of bus drivers, cleaners, etc on way lower than $2500 and they aren't dying in the streets, so you could definitely survive on that.
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thanks for the input.

actually this is junior position although i've got 4yrs experience.

currently working at Indonesia.

is possible to get room less than $500 ?
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QUOTE(skycrew @ Nov 20 2013, 03:53 PM)
just coming back from interview at Paya Ubi this morning.

I got until tomorrow whether to accept or reject the offer.

Can I survive with $2500 in Singapore ?
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Sure can survive, $2,500 can do a lot more than just surviving.
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There's plenty of bus drivers, cleaners, etc on way lower than $2500 and they aren't dying in the streets, so you could definitely survive on that.
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QUOTE(skycrew @ Nov 20 2013, 06:01 PM)
is possible to get room less than $500 ?
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Since location is not mentioned so i did a random search from roomsdb. They made it so user friendly also you never use. sweat.gif
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Since location is not mentioned so i did a random search from roomsdb. They made it so user friendly also you never use. sweat.gif
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Thanks bro. Office located at paya ubi. Ubi avenue to be exact

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 20 2013, 04:43 PM)
So it should be fine to go for visa process first then only read the hard copy of offer letter in Singapore?
How about StarHub?
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I actually discussed about my offer, OT, offshore rates before I actually ask them to proceed into processing the application and EP visa. So, I am not sure if your friend actually negotiated the salary package. I am going in as a professional, so they cant pay me peanuts because MOM has a minimum salary for applying those visa. My guess is MOM will monitor my progress in the company.

All of my discussions are made by email. I never left any verbal contract agreement unchecked without an email confirmation. This is a very important step to cover both side of my ass if anything goes wrong that is not family related issues.

I am not too sure about StarHub. Well, google the company and see their yearly revenue and operation cost. Also check if the company is outsourcing their work to India. As far I know many telecommunication and IT company had outsourced their jobs to India. Even engineering design and EPCM company are doing the same thing as well, because cheap labor. Of course they didnt tell about the cheap designs that they will get that needs tonnes of hours to correct them. There is so many f*ck ups, you just decide to deal it by yourself.

Try getting into service company/vendor where skills and commissioning needs to be done onsite.

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QUOTE(razo2 @ Nov 20 2013, 09:23 PM)
I actually discussed about my offer, OT, offshore rates before I actually ask them to proceed into processing the application and EP visa. So, I am not sure if your friend actually negotiated the salary package. I am going in as a professional, so they cant pay me peanuts because MOM has a minimum salary for applying those visa. My guess is MOM will monitor my progress in the company.

All of my discussion is made by email. I never left any verbal contract agreement unchecked without an email confirmation. This is a very important step to cover both side of my ass if anything goes wrong that is not family related issues.
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SHe has been told the salary rate and commission as well. And it is actually quite well known college so I gess they won't do anything tricky?
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SHe has been told the salary rate and commission as well. And it is actually quite well known college so I gess they won't do anything tricky?
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well if that is the case, it will be fine. Just make sure it is written in email for prove of contract agreement. This step will protect you long way to the court if things goes ugly. Use personal email for handling this matter.

I am not too sure about StarHub. Well, google the company and see their yearly revenue and operation cost. Also check if the company is outsourcing their work to India. As far I know many telecommunication and IT company had outsourced their jobs to India. Even engineering design and EPCM company are doing the same thing as well, because cheap labor. Of course they didnt tell about the cheap designs that they will get that needs tonnes of hours to correct them. There is so many f*ck ups, you just decide to deal it by yourself.

Try getting into service company/vendor where skills and commissioning needs to be done onsite.

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My guess is MOM will monitor my progress in the company.
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hi all, i'm thinking to travel daily to SG from JB for work by car. Working location : Woodlands.. Other than VEP 20 bucks per day any other concern that I should have take? let's say my working hour is at 8.30am, how early should I depart from JB?
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QUOTE(shiyau @ Nov 20 2013, 11:00 PM)
hi all, i'm thinking to travel daily to SG from JB for work by car. Working location : Woodlands.. Other than VEP 20 bucks per day any other concern that I should have take? let's say my working hour is at 8.30am, how early should I depart from JB?
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jb which part?

since u r working at woodlands would advise you take ride bike or take public transport...

if you insist on taking car, 7am at the immigration would be sufficient
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Nov 20 2013, 11:06 PM)
jb which part?

since u r working at woodlands would advise you take ride bike or take public transport...

if you insist on taking car, 7am at the immigration would be sufficient
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JB Tampoi.. well, family isn't really agree with me taking bike as it's quite dangerous..
if public transport how early should i be at the immigration? there should be a lot of ppl queueing for bus
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QUOTE(skycrew @ Nov 20 2013, 07:29 PM)
Thanks bro.  Office located at paya ubi. Ubi avenue to be exact
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Well, i used to stay along the same stretch as Paya Ubi Ind Park. It's quite unlikely you can get a room for less than $500 in that area as it's considered as "central" East. 3 years back i was already paying $600 for an air-conditioned common room.

Unless you don't mind sharing room with strangers, you might need to raise your budget to $600-700 for more choices. Best if it's along Ubi Ave 1 - you can walk to work or take bus 63. Allocate your transportation allowance saved (since you walk) to rental lor.
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I wonder whats the average age of you guys. Seems like most of you are earning >$3.5k
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QUOTE(Argiope @ Nov 21 2013, 02:52 AM)
Well, i used to stay along the same stretch as Paya Ubi Ind Park. It's quite unlikely you can get a room for less than $500 in that area as it's considered as "central" East. 3 years back i was already paying $600 for an air-conditioned common room.

Unless you don't mind sharing room with strangers, you might need to raise your budget to $600-700 for more choices. Best if it's along Ubi Ave 1 - you can walk to work or take bus 63. Allocate your transportation allowance saved (since you walk) to rental lor.
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there are HDBs beside the office. should be great if I can get room there because will cut my transportation allowance.
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Guys, for people that works in Sg, which bank in Malaysia is easier to get a credit card? I think the banks are using conversion S$ 1 to RM 1 and with literally no credit history in Malaysia (no KWSP etc), it very hard for to get a good credit card for travel.
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Just wanted to ask those who have submitted their PR Application.

One of the documents requested was : Testimonials from previous employer stating the nature and duration of employment and also the last drawn basic salary

Is that a must to submit that? Need to get the letter from all previous employers even if it's in Malaysia?

Hope to clarify this. Thanks!
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QUOTE(hot-choc @ Nov 21 2013, 02:01 PM)
Hey guys,
Just wanted to ask those who have submitted their PR Application.

One of the documents requested was : Testimonials from previous employer stating the nature and duration of employment and also the last drawn basic salary

Is that a must to submit that? Need to get the letter from all previous employers even if it's in Malaysia?

Hope to clarify this. Thanks!
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not compulsory
might help if u have it
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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Nov 21 2013, 02:13 PM)
not compulsory
might help if u have it
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Company ask to go through probation first before hire for full-time and apply permit. is it possible? I cant use social visa right ?
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Company ask to go through probation first before hire for full-time and apply permit. is it possible? I cant use social visa right ?
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It's illegal to work with a social visit pass. The company must get a work pass for you.
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It's illegal to work with a social visit pass. The company must get a work pass for you.
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i thought they can give some sort of letter ?
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i thought they can give some sort of letter ?
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Visit pass cannot work. Company letter signed by BOD CEO CFO COO also no use. Only letter from Commissioner of ICA/MOM is ok. SVP max 90 days. Probation 3 months?
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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Nov 21 2013, 05:29 PM)
Visit pass cannot work. Company letter signed by BOD CEO CFO COO also no use. Only letter from Commissioner of ICA/MOM is ok. SVP max 90 days. Probation 3 months?
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i see, my company need to get the letter from MOM first right ?

1 month probation.
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QUOTE(NoiZy @ Nov 21 2013, 08:57 AM)
I wonder whats the average age of you guys. Seems like most of you are earning >$3.5k
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that's hardly the truth. s$1750 also have.

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QUOTE(skycrew @ Nov 21 2013, 03:07 PM)
Company ask to go through probation first before hire for full-time and apply permit. is it possible? I cant use social visa right ?
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they have this pass for interns... they mgiht use that
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QUOTE(skycrew @ Nov 21 2013, 03:07 PM)
Company ask to go through probation first before hire for full-time and apply permit. is it possible? I cant use social visa right

Cannot, this one working illegally liao. The company must apply for a work pass or training pass and get the IPA (in principle approval) before you can start work legally.
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they have this pass for interns... they mgiht use that
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Nov 21 2013, 09:10 PM)
Cannot, this one working illegally liao. The company must apply for a work pass or training pass and get the IPA (in principle approval) before you can start work legally.
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So they should go through work pass application first right because my friend only using 1 letter first and get a card a month later.
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QUOTE(skycrew @ Nov 21 2013, 09:16 PM)
So they should go through work pass application first right because my friend only using 1 letter first and get a card a month later.
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ohh.. if the letter is the in principle approval means his pass is already granted, just awaiting the card..
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QUOTE(NoiZy @ Nov 21 2013, 08:57 AM)
I wonder whats the average age of you guys. Seems like most of you are earning >$3.5k
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it depends on the nature of the job and position as well. I dont really think age is the factor. most employers never ask my age.
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also, is there EPF included as well?
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QUOTE(razo2 @ Nov 21 2013, 09:58 PM)
btw, just curious for EP visa holders. the tax is 15%,right?

also, is there EPF included as well?
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15% tax ? your income bracket > s$120k per annum ? The only one I know with that kinda income bracket is Deodorant
There's no cpf for work pass.

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1. Doctor - $3,722

2. Actuarial science - $3,649

3. IT software - $3,334

4. Legal services - $3,279

5. Corporate finance - $3,248

6. Audit - $3,214

7. Industrial engineering - $3,198

8. Banking & finance - $3,187

9. Database administrator - $3,170

10. Process design & control - $3,144



Senior Executives

1. Financial sales - $4,718

2. Actuarial science - $4,670

3. Banking & finance - $4,635

4 IT software - $4,617

5. Legal services - $4,616

6. Corporate finance - $4,545

7. Laboratory scientist - $4,375

8. Biotechnology - $4,329

9. Chemical engineering - $4,277

10. Audit - $4,246



Managers

1. Chemist - $9,096

2. Corporate finance - $7,305

3. Legal services - $6,950

4. Laboratory scientist - $6,882

5. IT software - $6,642

6. Electrical engineering - $6,619

7. Logistics - $6,561

8. Audit - $6,187

9. Chemical engineering - $6,102

10. Top management - $5,943



Senior Managers

1. Legal services - $14,466

2. Top management - $11,887

3. Audit - $10,343

4. Doctor - $10,153

5. Laboratory scientists - $10,121

6. Sales – IT and engineering - $9,718

7. Marketing - $9,263

8. Electronics engineering - $9,073

9. Biotechnology - $8,949

10. Pharmacy - $8,949

- See more at: http://sbr.com.sg/source/humanresources-ma...h.oyUHiCXP.dpuf
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QUOTE(razo2 @ Nov 21 2013, 09:58 PM)
btw, just curious for EP visa holders. the tax is 15%,right?

also, is there EPF included as well?
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foreigners are taxed depending on 2 types...resident or non-resident...residing in Singapore for either more than 183 days in a year or less than 183 days in a year

http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page.aspx?id=230
http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page.aspx?id=232
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ohh.. if the letter is the in principle approval means his pass is already granted, just awaiting the card..
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my gf just got the work pass 1 day after submitted the application. that is fast. now looking for accommodation that not far from little india station
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Hi guys, I read the first page and I still have things to clarify.

I got a job offer to go to SG, but I have never travelled there before, hence I do now know the living cost like.

But based on the 1st page, 600 for accomodation, 500 for food is my first step in calculating my expected salary.

I want to know, how much should I expect from my current MY salary to SG salary? Worse, this is a 12 month contract position. Basically everything is covered in base salary.

Please shed some lights.

I asked the person that called, what is the market rate like for someone like me. Basically I have around 4k~ MYR. The person said it would be around 4k~ SGD.

Hence, what I can brain is, I should include accomodation + living expenses into the salary that could be 5k~ SGD? And with the job being a contract position, I should increase it even further?
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Hi guys, I read the first page and I still have things to clarify.

I got a job offer to go to SG, but I have never travelled there before, hence I do now know the living cost like.

But based on the 1st page, 600 for accomodation, 500 for food is my first step in calculating my expected salary.

I want to know, how much should I expect from my current MY salary to SG salary? Worse, this is a 12 month contract position. Basically everything is covered in base salary.

Please shed some lights.

I asked the person that called, what is the market rate like for someone like me. Basically I have around 4k~ MYR. The person said it would be around 4k~ SGD.

Hence, what I can brain is, I should include accomodation + living expenses into the salary that could be 5k~ SGD? And with the job being a contract position, I should increase it even further?
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Definitely u should increase it further!
Provided you are worth that much.
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Nov 22 2013, 11:13 AM)
Definitely u should increase it further!
Provided you are worth that much.
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Because I have never gone out, I don't have the formula to calculate. Worry later the employer thinks I'm boasting or demand too high. If I demand that little, I worry I'm not getting paid the average.
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QUOTE(GottliebDaimler @ Nov 22 2013, 11:23 AM)
Because I have never gone out, I don't have the formula to calculate. Worry later the employer thinks I'm boasting or demand too high. If I demand that little, I worry I'm not getting paid the average.
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if u r getting 4k in Malaysia, at least try to get the same in Singapore lo.
in that case, not short changed de ma
then ask urself, with that salary r u satisfied?
enough to make ends meet?
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QUOTE(GottliebDaimler @ Nov 22 2013, 11:06 AM)
Hence, what I can brain is, I should include accomodation + living expenses into the salary that could be 5k~ SGD? And with the job being a contract position, I should increase it even further?
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If you want to earn more then ask for more. If your employer think your job only worth 4k plus then they will find another 4k plus candidate to fill it. If they already underpaid you and you are worth more, they will increase it if you are good.
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QUOTE(GottliebDaimler @ Nov 22 2013, 11:06 AM)
Hence, what I can brain is, I should include accomodation + living expenses into the salary that could be 5k~ SGD? And with the job being a contract position, I should increase it even further?
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Employers do not pay you according to how much you want to spend (eg. accommodation & salary). They pay you according to how much your skills, time and energy can contribute to the company.

The only benchmark on how much you can ask is "what is the job description/expectations and how much does a person in Singapore get paid to perform that job description according to those expectations".

Your former salary in Malaysia has no bearing unless what you are going to do in Singapore is exactly the same or very, very similar to what you were doing in Malaysia (plus same size & scope of employer, type of industry etc). In that case, and only in that case, the 1:1 rule of thumb is a pretty good target to aim for.
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QUOTE(jitshiong @ Nov 22 2013, 11:43 AM)
if u r getting 4k in Malaysia, at least try to get the same in Singapore lo.
in that case, not short changed de ma
then ask urself, with that salary r u satisfied?
enough to make ends meet?
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Well, 4k+ MYR and 4k+ SGD, of course twice already.

QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Nov 22 2013, 11:46 AM)
If you want to earn more then ask for more. If your employer think your job only worth 4k plus then they will find another 4k plus candidate to fill it. If they already underpaid you and you are worth more, they will increase it if you are good.
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Appreciate the kind replies. notworthy.gif

I checked the first page on the tax information but the link is broken. I only managed to find their local tax but not expats.
http://mycpf.cpf.gov.sg/Members/Gen-Info/C...es/ContriRa.htm

What would 4-5k SGD be paying? Is it taxed in SG and MY?
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QUOTE(seantang @ Nov 22 2013, 12:09 PM)
Employers do not pay you according to how much you want to spend (eg. accommodation & salary). They pay you according to how much your skills, time and energy can contribute to the company.

The only benchmark on how much you can ask is "what is the job description/expectations and how much does a person in Singapore get paid to perform that job description according to those expectations".

Your former salary in Malaysia has no bearing unless what you are going to do in Singapore is exactly the same or very, very similar to what you were doing in Malaysia (plus same size & scope of employer, type of industry etc). In that case, and only in that case, the 1:1 rule of thumb is a pretty good target to aim for.
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Sorry I missed out your reply while writing.

Yes, definitely my COL is not regarded by the employer.

What I am going to do is similar. However, I believe size and scope of employer is definitely bigger. Type of industry is new too.

If I understand correctly, from what you say 1MYR:1SGD ratio is a good target to aim for. What about contractual position, how can we factor this in?
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QUOTE(GottliebDaimler @ Nov 22 2013, 12:10 PM)
I checked the first page on the tax information but the link is broken. I only managed to find their local tax but not expats.
http://mycpf.cpf.gov.sg/Members/Gen-Info/C...es/ContriRa.htm

What would 4-5k SGD be paying? Is it taxed in SG and MY?
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CPF is not the tax, that's Malaysia's version of EPF. You should look at IRAS for tax. You need not pay tax in MY anymore as you are already paying in SG.

Assuming you are here for 12 months and getting 48k per annum, you would be paying the government $1.1k (yet to factor in any form of relief/rebate).

For your reference: http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page04.aspx?id=282

This post has been edited by Argiope: Nov 22 2013, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(Argiope @ Nov 22 2013, 12:16 PM)
CPF is not the tax, that's Malaysia's version of EPF. You should look at IRAS for tax. You need not pay tax in MY anymore as you are already paying in SG.

Assuming you are here for 12 months and getting 48k per annum, you would be paying the government $1.1k (yet to factor in any form of relief/rebate).

For your reference: http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page04.aspx?id=282
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Here are the 10 highest paying jobs in Singapore

Are you getting enough?

Singapore – Want to know what you’re worth in today’s job market?

JobStreet.com has published a list of the top 10 highest paying jobs in Singapore to help candidates and hiring managers benchmark their salaries against the market.

This list has been determined through the average salary of all specialisations per position level, based on salaries posted by employers on the JobStreet website this year.

Fresh Graduates

1. Doctor - $3,095

2. Biotechnology - $3,082

3. Process design & control - $3,055

4. Corporate finance - $2,959

5. Financial sales services - $2,857

6. Legal services - $2,825

7. Environmental engineering - $2,781

8. Journalist - $2,781

9. Banking & finance - $2,758

10. IT – software - $2,718



Junior Executives

1. Doctor - $3,722

2. Actuarial science - $3,649

3. IT software - $3,334

4. Legal services - $3,279

5. Corporate finance - $3,248

6. Audit - $3,214

7. Industrial engineering - $3,198

8. Banking & finance - $3,187

9. Database administrator - $3,170

10. Process design & control - $3,144



Senior Executives

1. Financial sales - $4,718

2. Actuarial science - $4,670

3. Banking & finance - $4,635

4 IT software - $4,617

5. Legal services - $4,616

6. Corporate finance - $4,545

7. Laboratory scientist - $4,375

8. Biotechnology - $4,329

9. Chemical engineering - $4,277

10. Audit - $4,246



Managers

1. Chemist - $9,096

2. Corporate finance - $7,305

3. Legal services - $6,950

4. Laboratory scientist - $6,882

5. IT software - $6,642

6. Electrical engineering - $6,619

7. Logistics - $6,561

8. Audit - $6,187

9. Chemical engineering - $6,102

10. Top management - $5,943



Senior Managers

1. Legal services - $14,466

2. Top management - $11,887

3. Audit - $10,343

4. Doctor - $10,153

5. Laboratory scientists - $10,121

6. Sales – IT and engineering - $9,718

7. Marketing - $9,263

8. Electronics engineering - $9,073

9. Biotechnology - $8,949

10. Pharmacy - $8,949

- See more at: http://sbr.com.sg/source/humanresources-ma...h.oyUHiCXP.dpuf
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seems a bit on the low side for fresh/junior to mid level....
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QUOTE(rawrkun @ Nov 23 2013, 01:06 AM)
seems a bit on the low side for fresh/junior to mid level....
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junior could be 1-2 years exp n mid 3-5 years exp... or all the avg for all those having those designation.. hmm.gif not quite sure
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QUOTE(rawrkun @ Nov 23 2013, 01:06 AM)
seems a bit on the low side for fresh/junior to mid level....
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Jobstreet figures not so accurate wan...
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anyone can recommend me a hotel for couple in JB? We are planning to cross over Sg for interview and back to Johor for staying. It must be near to bus stop that can carry us to Sg
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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Nov 21 2013, 10:36 PM)
15% tax ? your income bracket > s$120k per annum ? The only one I know with that kinda income bracket is Deodorant
There's no cpf for work pass.
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I read somewhere that none PR gets a 15% tax.
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QUOTE(tailtwist @ Nov 21 2013, 10:55 PM)
foreigners are taxed depending on 2 types...resident or non-resident...residing in Singapore for either more than 183 days in a year or less than 183 days in a year

http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page.aspx?id=230
http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page.aspx?id=232
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ooo. i go read futher. thank for the info.
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anyone can recommend me a hotel for couple in JB? We are planning to cross over Sg for interview and back to Johor for staying. It must be near to bus stop that can carry us to Sg
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http://www.grandbluewave-johorbahru.com/

pm reign226 as he's a frequent customer there... maybe can get discount brows.gif
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http://www.grandbluewave-johorbahru.com/

pm reign226 as he's a frequent customer there... maybe can get discount  brows.gif
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Thanks but that is too exp lol. I am looking around RM100 per night
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Thanks but that is too exp lol. I am looking around RM100 per night
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Check T Hotel located at Jln Wong Ah Fook, walking distance to check point. Book from agoda.com to get cheaper rate.
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Thanks but that is too exp lol. I am looking around RM100 per night
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QUOTE(razo2 @ Nov 23 2013, 05:25 PM)
I read somewhere that none PR gets a 15% tax.
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Then that "somewhere" provided wrong info or you interpreted wrongly. Check IRAS.
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 23 2013, 09:31 PM)
Thanks but that is too exp lol. I am looking around RM100 per night
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very hard to find rm100 doh.gif

QUOTE(Argiope @ Nov 23 2013, 11:25 PM)
Then that "somewhere" provided wrong info or you interpreted wrongly. Check IRAS.
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i think he got mixed up between taxation terminology 'resident' with permanent resident...
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my gf just got the work pass 1 day after submitted the application. that is fast. now looking for accommodation that not far from little india station
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anyone can recommend me a hotel for couple in JB? We are planning to cross over Sg for interview and back to Johor for staying. It must be near to bus stop that can carry us to Sg
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Coming interview with another GF? Anyway, for 100 RM budget per day you can stay in SG backpacker hostel.

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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Nov 24 2013, 12:18 AM)
Coming interview with another GF? Anyway, for 100 RM budget per day you can stay in SG backpacker hostel.
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I mean I am coming over for interview and at the same time she can look for accommodation

anyway I just booked Amansari Express hotel

SG backpacker hotel have to share with other people which is not convenient

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