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post Apr 26 2010, 04:40 PM, updated 16y ago

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Some article that I found might be usefull to share with you all.

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Maxing It Out! The Endomorph


I introduced a basic workout plan for the novice body sculptor in the last issue of Universal Matters. I'll define, more thoroughly, a framework to guide you in your goals. I'll address the endomorph here and discuss the mesomorph and ectomorph in upcoming issues.

If you remember, endomorphs are individuals characterized by narrow shoulders in relation to their hips. Their lower bodies appear thick and heavy. When they diet, the fat usually off their upper bodies, but clings to their lower halves. I recommended that these individuals concern themselves primarily with “trimming down” and increasing their metabolism through aerobic and resistance training and proper nutrition.

Let's talk about training in more detail. My clients often tell me that they want to “tighten up” their bodies so that their appearance is slimmer and more aesthetically pleasing. This goal is difficult unless they lose their fatty deposits, especially the subcutaneous fat. Experienced bodybuilders understand this well and undergo an intensive 12-16 week diet prior to competition. They also know that their well-sculpted and highly developed muscles will appear more prominent the leaner they are. Although, their competition weight is lighter, on stage, they appear larger. My point is that to appear “tight and firm,” you have to lose the fat. There's no other way around it.

Therefore, as I mentioned earlier, my training program for the endomorph is geared toward helping him increase his metabolism. I have him concentrate heavily on aerobic apparatus (e.g., treadmill, stationary bike, stair climber, etc.).

I usually take a brisk walk on the treadmill, or cycling at a moderate pace on the bike is fine. As a general rule of thumb, you should be able to carry on a conversation while performing your aerobic activity (fat burning requires oxygen). Although it is important to burn calories while you train, our goal is to steadily increase your metabolism so that you can burn calories even at rest.

If you are running on the treadmill or racing on the bike, while you may burn more calories while training, you will NOT effectively increase your metabolic rate. Why? When you increase your intensity (heart rate), exercise becomes anaerobic; to constantly burn calories, you must take advantage of aerobic conditioning. As in the case of the tortoise and the hare, slow and steady wins the metabolic race.

Once I've establishing a solid fat burning protocol, we then move on to weight training. I prefer to utilize a circuit-type program in which my client performs a series of different exercises. Start him off with thirty minutes of aerobic exercise per day, three times a week. I'll slowly increase this frequency to seven days a week. Depending on my client's progress and conditioning, I may increase exercise duration as well.

What about intensity? For the purposes of increasing metabolism, exercises. For the endomorph, I emphasize higher repetitions and minimal rest periods between stations. I try to hit the whole body during this intense (anaerobic) session. I work with each individual client to determine which exercises he can best “feel” while training that specific body part. Once this is established, I'll arrange these exercises in a series of stations for optimal results. The program can usually be performed in approximately 15-20 reps.

It's important that each rep is “felt” and that the client follows proper form. I don't count sloppy reps. After my client has completed a station, he will stretch that specific muscle during his 30 second rest period and then move on to the next exercise station. The entire workout program is short but intense if performed properly. Depending on need, I may run my client through it two or three times. Remember, stretching prior to and after weight training is extremely important for preventing injuries and for facilitating optimum muscular development.

With training out of the way, we can now turn to dieting. Nutrition may be the most important aspect of “tightening up” for endomorphs. In my many years of experience, I've noticed that endomorphs are typically sensitive to carbs (or more specifically, to insulin). To exacerbate matters, these same endomorphs consume too many carbs throughout the day. As a result, they'll retain water. Too often do I hear complaints about “swollen feet” or “bloated abs”! What to do?

I start by limiting his protein source to poultry or fish. The amount of protein I initially allow him is approximately one gram per pound of bodyweight (for example, 200 grams if you weight 200 pounds). Later, when he starts incorporating resistance training into his regimen, I may increase the amount of protein he consumes to maximize muscular growth and development.

Next, I'll manipulate carb intake. I start by implementing a diet with a 1:1 ratio of carbs to protein. In other words, if you weigh 200 pounds, you'll consume 200 grams of protein and 200 grams of carbs per day. Assuming you'll eat six meals per day, this translated into 33 grams of protein and 33 grams of carbs per meal. Depending on your results, I may decrease the ratio of carbs to proteins.

As endomorphs may be insulin sensitive, the type of carbs he consumes is extremely important. The term “glycemic index” (GI) is currently in vogue. The glycemic index of a carb basically indicates how fast it is converted into sugars that enter your circulation. In short, the glycemic index measures the rate and amplitude of blood sugar levels which in turn determine the amount of insulin that is produced in response.

Why is insulin so important? Insulin basically performs two functions: (1) it stores fat and (2) it prevents fat from being broken down to a usable energy source for the body. When dieting, we want to limit the amount of insulin we produce. We accomplish this by selecting carbs with low glycemic indexes. I don't worry too much about fats since fats usually limit themselves (depending on the type of protein you are eating).

To summarize, because of the endomorph's genetics and predisposition for insulin sensitivity, his diet should focus on limiting (and wisely selecting) those carbs with low glycemic indexes. He should try to consume smaller meals more frequently in an effort to maintain a steady blood sugar level. Finally, his training program should have a solid aerobic foundation. I have found that this type of overall program best facilitates fat burning. If you are an endomorph, remember that success depends on your ability to believe in yourself. Strive to make your dreams become a reality. Good luck!





Maxing It Out Part 2: The Mesomorph


I hope that all the endomorphs out there have found my last article helpful in their quest to attain their ultimate physique. Now let's spend some time with the mesomorphs. Remember, mesomorphs are those athletes who generally have no problem putting on mass. Their shoulders are broader in relation to their hips, giving them a naturally athletic appearance. Although their belly muscles are thick and powerful, they still must pay attention to their diets as they tend to accumulate fat along with their weight gains.

Resistance training should be at the core of the mesomorph's training program. Since mesomorphs tend to have thick, powerful muscles, I’ve found that moderate to heavy weights are necessary to stimulate growth. Novice mesomorphs don’t always need to push until failure. Your goal is to stimulate muscle growth, not kill your muscles. Muscular growth occurs when a muscle is taxed or challenged. As you become more experienced, you can push yourself to failure, but only with a training partner to spot you properly.

So how do you know when your muscles have been challenged? The "pump". A good, full pump is a sign that your muscles are working maximally and recruiting a high volume of blood to meet their needs. If you push further, your muscles' needs will not be met. While training to failure can promote growth, the risk for injury increases. As you gain more experience, you may want to try this, but only with a good spot from a training partner. Train smart! Also, remember to take your rest time between sets. During this time, I recommend that you stretch and flex your muscles to further promote growth and development.

Following a thorough warm up, 3-4 sets of 6-8 reps per exercise with increasing weight loading should be your target. Remember to strive for a solid pump. Don’t overtrain your muscles though. Start with 3-4 exercises per muscle. Remember, once you’ve properly stimulated your muscles, further stimulation doesn’t equate to larger muscles. Heavy weight loading is not the only way to skin a cat. Be creative. Change the order of your exercises and the type of exercises. You may even want to train with lighter weights and higher reps every now and then. Constantly challenge your muscles with variety of stimuli. This will minimize your injury risk and maximize your gains. Avoid the mistakes of overtraining. Adequate rest and proper nutrition are also parts of the equation for optimal growth and muscular development.

On the subject of training partners, let me say that I favor them. While many elite bodybuilders can train alone, I find that a good training partner helps you work harder and cheat less. I feel that a two to three person training team is a good place to start, especially if you’re lifting heavier weights and require longer rest periods between sets. As you progress and become more conditioned though, I think you’ll find a two man team more productive. The timing between rest periods is better and it’s easier to maintain your intensity and focus.
Now that your training has transformed you into a huge beast, you may look in the mirror and smile. Smile until you notice that your waist is thick and soft. Remember, although mesomorphs gain mass easily, they also tend to gain fat. How do you solve this little problem? You guessed it… Cardio.
Mesomorphs don’t need to perform as much cardio as an endomorph. Cardio (treadmill, stationary bike, Versaclimber, or Stairmaster) training for approximately 35 minutes three times a week is usually sufficient. If you're goal is to increase body mass, don't overdo it. Adjust your cardio program to meet your needs. If you prefer a leaner harder look, then increase the frequency. Generally, you don’t need to perform cardio for more than 45 minutes at any given time.

Wrapping it up, let's turn to nutrition. I feel that mesomorphs attain optimal results with a balanced diet. I usually start my clients by outlining their protein requirements. When training regularly, to adequately build muscle, you'll need 1.5 grams of protein or more for every pound of bodyweight. In other words, a 200 pound mesomorph requires at least 300g of protein per day. With increasing muscular demands, you may find that your protein intake will increase as well.

Next come carbs. Mesomorphs should aim for a protein:carb ratio of 3:4 (300g protein and 400g carbs). Therefore, if you’re consuming about six meals a day, you'll need 50g/protein along with 66g/carbs per meal. Be careful to select complex carbs with lower glycemic indices. Remember, it’s quality, not quantity.

I usually don’t concern myself with fats too much because they're naturally limited by the type of protein you consume. If you’re taking in red meat, you should be getting enough fat in your diet. If it’s fish or chicken, you may need to add some fat, usually in the form of nuts or flaxseed oil. Often, I increase my fat intake if my energy levels are low or my muscles appear worn out and unhealthy. I usually don’t increase my carbs unless my muscles appear extremely flat.

To summarize, mesomorphs need to train with moderate to heavy loads, but with adequate rest periods. They need to be careful not to overtrain or they will notice diminishing or slower gains. Maximum gains can be achieved by adding variety to your workouts–keep your muscles guessing! Training partners can be very beneficial in this regard. Cardio is a must if you want to maintain a tighter waistline. Finally, a balanced diet is a good start for leaner muscular gains. Good training and good luck.


Maxing It Out

Everyone would love to look like the cover model of a fitness or bodybuilding magazine. I know I would. But in reality, only a elite few realize that dream. After all, whether you’re an amateur bodybuilder, recreational body sculptor or fitness model, genetics are extremely important. But if genetics are a limiting factor, why train at all? The answer to this question is easy. Though we have limitations, each and every one of us also has immense potential. Our goal should be to strive for that potential.

But where do we start? Today, there’s an overabundance of advice on training, dieting, nutrition and supplements. It can be a real nightmare navigating through the maze of information. The first thing I always do as a trainer is evaluate a physique. I categorize physiques into the conventional classes of endomorph, mesomorph and ectomorph forms.

An endomorph is an individual who is characterized by narrow shoulders in relation to the hips. Endomorphs carry greater mass in the lower half of their bodies. When they diet, fat may melt off their upper bodies, but it clings tenaciously to their lower halves. Endomorphs are usually frustrated by their limited progress despite total dedication and commitment.

The mesomorph has no problem putting on muscle and weight in general. Their shoulders are broader in relation to their hips. Though their belly muscles are usually thick and powerful, these individuals need to watch their diets as they tend to accumulate fat with their weight gain. Many talented athletes are mesomorphs.

Ectomorphs are even wider in their shoulder widths, with slim hips. The bodies are streamlined—think of the classic swimmer’s body. Ectomorphs are usually “hard gainers”—they have trouble putting on muscle and weight. But to the envy of everyone else, they can often eat what they want without sacrificing their waistline.

Now take a look at yourself in the mirror. Where do you fit in? Realize that there are gray areas between each category. Maybe you’re somewhere between an ectomorph and a mesomorph. Once you’ve determined your body type, take a look at magazines and see how your favorite bodybuilders and fitness stars stack up. Pay special attention to those athletes who have bodies similar to your own. Doing so will give you a glimpse of what you might look like if you reach your potential.

Each form has its own pros and cons. Since your own shape has been predetermined by genetics, the key is to highlight your body’s strengths while masking its shortcomings. And once you understand your body type, you can tailor a program to bring out your best.





Training Your Body Type

Endomorphs need to concentrate heavily on cardiovascular training in combination with proper dieting. For these individuals, the first priority is trimming down, not bulking up to hide their size. Cardio training should be directed towards increasing their metabolism rather than burning fat. If you can increase your metabolism, then you can burn fat throughout the day, even when you’re not exercising. Since crash diets don’t work over the long run, reducing calories should be a gradual process involving careful manipulation of the ratio of carbs, protein and fats. By adjusting one variable at a time, you can see what diet works best for you. With regards to training, overall circuit-training is a good course of action. Aim for lower weights but higher repetitions. Keep your rest periods between each set at a minimum. Remember not to overtrain.

Naturally powerful athletes, mesomorphs usually achieve results in a short period of time. They need little to moderate cardiovascular work to keep trim. Mesomorphs have a flexible diet—they can eat a broad variety of foods. To maintain a leaner look, however, mesomorphs can reduce their carbs in relation to their protein intakes. I recommend keeping fats in the low to moderate range. Once again, circuit-training is beneficial for mesomorphs. Unlike the endomorph, the mesomorph should focus on training with moderate to heavy weights with moderate repetitions.

Ectomorphs can benefit greatly by training with moderate weights for moderate to high repetitions. Naturally trim, these athletes require little cardiovascular work to keep their bodies lean, especially when trying to gain additional mass. For “hard gaining” ectomorphs, diets should consist of more fats in relation to carbs and protein. Protein and carbs should be moderated.

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Hi, i'm 19years old and weight 97.9kg and my height 183cm. I just started gym session few weeks ago. I just started to look forward to improve myself in my weight as in lost as much as i can and gain muscle flex.gif (Dint take any protein supplement)

Currently i go to the gym every morning to workout. I use the treadmill as my warm up for around 10min, then i head to those machines to work my muscle out. *i need help here* i dont know how many set i need to do and which machines i should go and play around with. cool2.gif

And during the night, i do home gym. Used the dumbell (9kg each side) and do sit up. For dumbell and sit up i do as many set as i could. 1 set = 10. I will rest 30sec in between for sit up.

As for my diet, i seldom take in food which is heavy in fat or sugar, i can say in a week i take in 2 to 4 times.
Here are my current in take of food.

Breakfast - A cup of milo with oats / 2 half boil egg (2 egg white and 1 york) with bread / ta pau food from the market.
Lunch - Noodle Soup/ Economi rice
Tea - Something just take biscuits or even cereal with low fat milk.
Dinner - Normal dinner meals with family

I know my diet plan is very screw up, i really need help and advise to improve my workout plan and even my diet plan for me to get a healthy life and a health and nice body! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Apr 26 2010, 05:09 PM)
@ReonLin83 : Put sauce pls
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I simply can't do it sad.gif


Added on April 26, 2010, 5:15 pm
QUOTE(eekang @ Apr 26 2010, 05:09 PM)
Hi, i'm 19years old and weight 97.9kg and my height 183cm. I just started gym session few weeks ago. I just started to look forward to improve myself in my weight as in lost as much as i can and gain muscle flex.gif (Dint take any protein supplement)

Currently i go to the gym every morning to workout. I use the treadmill as my warm up for around 10min, then i head to those machines to work my muscle out. *i need help here* i dont know how many set i need to do and which machines i should go and play around with.  cool2.gif

And during the night, i do home gym. Used the dumbell (9kg each side) and do sit up. For dumbell and sit up i do as many set as i could. 1 set = 10. I will rest  30sec in between for sit up.

As for my diet, i seldom take in food which is heavy in fat or sugar, i can say in a week i take in 2 to 4 times.
Here are my current in take of food.

Breakfast - A cup of milo with oats / 2 half boil egg (2 egg white and 1 york) with bread / ta pau food from the market. 
Lunch - Noodle Soup/ Economi rice
Tea - Something just take biscuits or even cereal with low fat milk.
Dinner - Normal dinner meals with family

I know my diet plan is very screw up, i really need help and advise to improve my workout plan and even my diet plan for me to get a healthy life and a health and nice body! biggrin.gif
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here's a starter,

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the parts which i bold macam too generalized methinks although the HIIT lovers are crumbling again under the feet of slow steady cardio...good info for beginners with decent research...

as for the last part he should say 'healthy fats' for hard gainers...cuz nanti jadi gemok what for...

where's the sauce bro?

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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Apr 26 2010, 05:19 PM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

the parts which i bold macam too generalized methinks although the HIIT lovers are crumbling again under the feet of slow steady cardio...good info for beginners with decent research...

as for the last part he should say 'healthy fats' for hard gainers...cuz nanti jadi gemok what for...

where's the sauce bro?
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that is why it is important to feel your body brooo.
What we read is not 100% accurate or tailor suit to fit our body.
But it can be used as a guide, feel your body and do what u feel is correct.
Take it as a guide smile.gif

ah but yes, it is abit generalized.
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Each form has its own pros and cons. Since your own shape has been predetermined by genetics, the key is to highlight your body’s strengths while masking its shortcomings. And once you understand your body type, you can tailor a program to bring out your best.



Added on April 26, 2010, 5:27 pm
QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Apr 26 2010, 05:13 PM)
I simply can't do it sad.gif


Added on April 26, 2010, 5:15 pm
here's a starter,

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wait are u all asking me for the SOURCE of the info??
or u asking me to put sauce on that fella for asking that question??
IM LOST here.

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Because pasting other people's article without linking to the original is considered stealing yo.. Just paste the url you got the article from smile.gif
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HAIYA!!!
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When I saw all the Xs across the old threads and Syd G under the Last Action column, I initially thought "It's finally happened, she's gone MAD WITH POWER!!!!"
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More like cleaning up leftover stuff la.. 125 pages max per thread usually but somehow NOBODY wanted the glory of opening new threads.

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QUOTE(eekang @ Apr 26 2010, 05:09 PM)
Hi, i'm 19years old and weight 97.9kg and my height 183cm. I just started gym session few weeks ago. I just started to look forward to improve myself in my weight as in lost as much as i can and gain muscle flex.gif (Dint take any protein supplement)

Currently i go to the gym every morning to workout. I use the treadmill as my warm up for around 10min, then i head to those machines to work my muscle out. *i need help here* i dont know how many set i need to do and which machines i should go and play around with.  cool2.gif

And during the night, i do home gym. Used the dumbell (9kg each side) and do sit up. For dumbell and sit up i do as many set as i could. 1 set = 10. I will rest  30sec in between for sit up.

As for my diet, i seldom take in food which is heavy in fat or sugar, i can say in a week i take in 2 to 4 times.
Here are my current in take of food.

Breakfast - A cup of milo with oats / 2 half boil egg (2 egg white and 1 york) with bread / ta pau food from the market. 
Lunch - Noodle Soup/ Economi rice
Tea - Something just take biscuits or even cereal with low fat milk.
Dinner - Normal dinner meals with family

I know my diet plan is very screw up, i really need help and advise to improve my workout plan and even my diet plan for me to get a healthy life and a health and nice body! biggrin.gif
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Beginner BBing programs are here:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/371250

Why not just sit-ups for fat loss. why cant spot reduce:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1398766


Lemme see your diet breakdown:
Breakfast - A cup of milo (CARBS) with oats(CARBS) / 2 half boil egg (2 egg white and 1 york)(PROTEIN AND GOOD FATS) with bread(CARBS) / ta pau food from the market
Lunch - Noodle Soup(CARBS)/ Economi rice (whats in this? i'm guessing white rice (CARBS) with stuff right?)
Tea - Something just take biscuits or even cereal with low fat milk. (CARBS with PROTEIN and some carbs)
Dinner - Normal dinner meals with family (need breakdown of this)

Ok, so u dun take alot of sugary/sweet stuffs, but did u know that sugar = carbs as well? eating alot of it in other forms is just as bad. Unless its complex carbs, then its better quality stuff, but still too much will also keep u fat.
From just what u put, u can see yourself most of your meals consist mostly carbs.
If wanna lose fats, time to gradually cut some out.
And you'll need to add in protein based foods too. Milk, eggs, chicken, fish, beef blablabla

So for ur workout plan, choose one of the beginner programs in thread just now.
for diet, u need to read more on macro nutrients and meal timing. Timing is just as important as what you're eating.

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thx neek, will change my diet plan.. will take in mroe protein.
btw i'm sorry i have 2 ask a very noob question here. lbs = the weight and wat is rep? repmax? blur =/
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QUOTE(eekang @ Apr 26 2010, 09:13 PM)
thx neek, will change my diet plan.. will take in mroe protein.
btw i'm sorry i have 2 ask a very noob question here. lbs = the weight and wat is rep? repmax? blur =/
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lbs = pounds
1kg = about 2.2lbs

rep is the number of times u do an exercise, short form for repetition. example

1 set of 8 reps of pushups.

means do pushups 8 times. go down and up = 1 time. by doing these 8 reps u complete 1 set.

repmax means the maximum repetitions u can do for a given weight.

lets say for bench press, my 1repmax is 50kg

that means with 50kg, I can only do 1 repetition (go down and struggle to go up = 1 time), no more no less. 5 repmax means with that given weight i can only do 5 times, no more no less.

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plus a tub of yoplait fat free yoghurt can help
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shdnt it be the sugar free instead of fat free. the fat free variety usually has even more sugar and higher total calories. its more like a mktg gimmick.
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my tummy is coming out
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only diet or what?
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QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 27 2010, 12:56 AM)
shdnt it be the sugar free instead of fat free. the fat free variety usually has even more sugar and higher total calories. its more like a mktg gimmick.
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haha
checked the labels
it is low in sugar & carbs compared to the low fat stuff
heck, lower than a serving of the standard 120g of nestle yoghurt
but its just for snack and not a tub la kan
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and it aint sweet at all...just nice

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Hi all, been doing weights but i think i'm kinda stuck here...

I've been following this program for 5 months plus..
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4195843

I did grow but then i find myself not gaining anything in terms size


Height: 180CM
Weight: 81KG,
As for my diet.

Morning, A bowl of cereal with 300-440 ml low fat milk with high fibre cereal and oatmeal and a cup of coffee
Lunch: Mixed rice, with alot of meat and vege.
Dinner: Same as above but sometimes fried rice/KFC, spagetthi etc

I work out 3 times a week as said by the program and i take a scoop of protein shake after workout but i see no difference

Any help will be appreciated.
Thank you all sifus

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QUOTE(ExCrIpT @ Apr 27 2010, 01:38 AM)
Hi all, been doing weights but i think i'm kinda stuck here...

I've been following this program for 5 months plus..
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4195843

I did grow but then i find myself not gaining anything in terms size
Height: 180CM
Weight: 81KG,
As for my diet.

Morning, A bowl of cereal with 300-440 ml low fat milk with high fibre cereal and oatmeal
Lunch: Mixed rice, with alot of meat and vege.
Dinner: Same as above but sometimes fried rice/KFC, spagetthi etc

I work out 3 times a week as said by the program and i take a scoop of protein shake after workout but i see no difference

Any help will be appreciated.
Thank you all sifus
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If your program is good and you're not growing, it's your diet problem. Up it to 2 scoops of protein and 2 tablespoons of glucolin within 20 mins postworkout. And 3 meals isn't enough. Where's your supper?
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Guys ... I have question for competing bodybuilder or any bodybuilder that successfully cut to shred. During cutting, are you suppose to feel tired ?

And when do you eat your carb since cutting, you reduce the carb (for lifting day and non-lifting day), my thinking that you only can eat carbs 2-3 times a day (green veges is not included in the count)

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i also think my diet have problem..any suggestion easy food for protein to bring into office...so tat can take it during 10am and 3pm ?
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i also think my diet have problem..any suggestion easy food for protein to bring into office...so tat can take it during 10am and 3pm ?
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Boiled eggs. Protein pancakes. Diced chicken breast. Whey?
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 27 2010, 01:40 AM)
If your program is good and you're not growing, it's your diet problem. Up it to 2 scoops of protein and 2 tablespoons of glucolin within 20 mins postworkout. And 3 meals isn't enough. Where's your supper?
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u have eggs for supper kan bro
anything else u can suggest for lets say in an occasion where there's no eggs?
i take some nuts and fat free and low sugar yoghurt but dont like the fact that those things contain fat still (albeit low)

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u have eggs for supper kan bro
anything else u can suggest for lets say in an occasion where there's no eggs?
i take some nuts and fat free and low sugar yoghurt but dont like the fact that those things contain fat still (albeit low)
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i also think my diet have problem..any suggestion easy food for protein to bring into office...so tat can take it during 10am and 3pm ?
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10am -- tapau roasted chicken from home

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pre workout something with fast protein absorption due to stupid people conducting meetings and they dont eat konnonya diet so had to consume whey with skim
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Hey guys, need some help abit, i just got my medical report back and it says i have uber high cholesterol.
total at 9.1
HDL at 1.8 and LDL at 7.3.
I'm cutting now, my weights dropped by 5 kgs, waistline reduced 3inches. and yet cholestrol still high.
weight lift 3x a week, monday, weds and friday.
on tuesdays/thursdays/sat i'll just do a tabata protocal circuit. (thats kinda like HIIT only worse)
So its gotta be the diet.

My diet for the last 10 weeks:
My usual meals on weekdays:

Breakfast:
2 eggs, smal serving of oats, banana
1 tablet of multivit, 2 caps of salmon oil, 1 cap of shark liver oil. (could i be taking in too much fish oil?)

2nd meal:
Chap fan: tiny serving of white rice, medium chicken (usually breaded and fried with some sauce), medium taufu/egg, and a medium vege dish.

3rd meal: lightly stir fried diced chicken breasts

Pre WO:
5g creatine
1 scoop whey.

Post workout shake:
1 scoop whey.

Post workout meal:
lightly stir fried diced chicken breasts with carbs of various forms (pasta/crackers or lately, just alot of vege fried with an egg)

Pre bed shake: whey 1 scoop + 2 caps of salmon oil.

On weekends, its
no chap fan, and meals are replaced with variable stuffs that i eat wherever i am. but they're usually still ok.
seafoods are taken in very seldom. the most also just once a week.

So now i'm kinda lost, i dunno what is going wrong where. issit the eggs? the fish oils (arent these supposed to be good)?
anyone can advice me properly?

The Dr said no seafood, cut out egg yolks.
i can try slashing out eggs completely for 3 mths and see results... but i dunno if thats enough since 7pts for LDL seems drastically high to me.

Thx in advance

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QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 27 2010, 06:41 PM)
Hey guys, need some help abit, i just got my medical report back and it says i have uber high cholesterol.
total at 9.1
HDL at 1.8 and LDL at 7.3.
I'm cutting now, my weights dropped by 5 kgs, waistline reduced 3inches. and yet cholestrol still high.
weight lift 3x a week, monday, weds and friday.
on tuesdays/thursdays/sat i'll just do a tabata protocal circuit. (thats kinda like HIIT only worse)
So its gotta be the diet.

My diet for the last 10 weeks:
My usual meals on weekdays:

Breakfast:
2 eggs, smal serving of oats, banana
1 tablet of multivit, 2 caps of salmon oil, 1 cap of shark liver oil. (could i be taking in too much fish oil?)

2nd meal:
Chap fan: tiny serving of white rice, medium chicken (usually breaded and fried with some sauce), medium taufu/egg, and a medium vege dish.

3rd meal: lightly stir fried diced chicken breasts

Pre WO:
5g creatine
1 scoop whey.

Post workout shake:
1 scoop whey.

Post workout meal:
lightly stir fried diced chicken breasts with carbs of various forms (pasta/crackers or lately, just alot of vege fried with an egg)

Pre bed shake: whey 1 scoop + 2 caps of salmon oil.

On weekends, its
no chap fan, and meals are replaced with variable stuffs that i eat wherever i am. but they're usually still ok.
seafoods are taken in very occasionally in a meal.

So now i'm kinda lost, i dunno what is going wrong where. issit the eggs? the fish oils (arent these supposed to be good)?
anyone can advice me properly?

The Dr said no seafood, cut out egg yolks.
i can try slashing out eggs completely for 3 mths and see results... but i dunno if thats enough since 7pts for LDL seems drastically high to me.

Thx in advance
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How old are you? Any family history of high cholesterol? Of ischaemic heart disease? Egg yolks are supposed to contain healthy fat and cholesterol but some individuals are known to be hyper responders.
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How old are you? Any family history of high cholesterol? Of ischaemic heart disease? Egg yolks are supposed to contain healthy fat and cholesterol but some individuals are known to be hyper responders.
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27 this year. Elder brother (6 yrs older) and mother had high cholesterol too. My bro had successfully reduced his cholesterol. but he doesnt exercise and train as much as i do.
no heart diseases.
could be the egg yolks i guess.
the Dr also said i'm blood type A which is generally prone to high cholesterol.
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We are in the same boat,except that my HDL is a lot lower than yours which is worse!
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27 this year. Elder brother (6 yrs older) and mother had high cholesterol too. My bro had successfully reduced his cholesterol. but he doesnt exercise and train as much as i do.
no heart diseases.
could be the egg yolks i guess.
the Dr also said i'm blood type A which is generally prone to high cholesterol.
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Family history plus evidence of a hyper responder. Stay away from yolks but the egg whites are totally fine if you need to extra protein.
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Neek do you eat beef. Try reducing the beef and egg yolk for now. Eat more oat because it is said to reduce cholestrol. take it morning and after workout only if you are cutting. Cut high GI food and saturated fat.

Salmon contains omega 3 right ? I tot it's good for you.
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We are in the same boat,except that my HDL is a lot lower than yours which is worse!
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Ouch bro.
well its frustrating on my end as i thought i was getting healthier while cutting and watching diet and all.
my last med check up was 2 years ago, it was ald high back then. so i was expecting it to drop. but it went UP instead. -.-"

QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 27 2010, 07:22 PM)
Family history plus evidence of a hyper responder. Stay away from yolks but the egg whites are totally fine if you need to extra protein.
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After u mentioned hyper responder in the last post, i was really suspecting that too. I'm gonna stay away from yolks for the next 3 months and see how that goes.
sigh... how depressing. i love egg yolks. the sight, the taste.... oh well.
Thanks alot bro.

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Neek do you eat beef. Try reducing the beef and egg yolk for now. Eat more oat because it is said to reduce cholestrol. take it morning and after workout only if you are cutting. Cut high GI food and saturated fat.

Salmon contains omega 3 right ? I tot it's good for you.
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I eat beef only sparingly as its more expensive than chicken. BBing is ald expensive as it is tongue.gif
i only eat beef 1-3x a week.
Already taking oats, but thats in small amount for breakfast.

I was planning to start bulking in 17 days time. so with this in mind, its gonna be tougher. i guess i have to eat lots of clean food while bulking this time around. zzzz...
but perhaps thats a good thing.
Just to be safe, i better cut down a little bit on the fish oils too...
Thanks guys.
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QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 27 2010, 08:06 PM)
Ouch bro.
well its frustrating on my end as i thought i was getting healthier while cutting and watching diet and all.
my last med check up was 2 years ago, it was ald high back then. so i was expecting it to drop. but it went UP instead. -.-"
After u mentioned hyper responder in the last post, i was really suspecting that too. I'm gonna stay away from yolks for the next 3 months and see how that goes.
sigh... how depressing. i love egg yolks. the sight, the taste.... oh well.
Thanks alot bro.
I eat beef only sparingly as its more expensive than chicken. BBing is ald expensive as it is tongue.gif
i only eat beef 1-3x a week.
Already taking oats, but thats in small amount for breakfast.

I was planning to start bulking in 17 days time. so with this in mind, its gonna be tougher. i guess i have to eat lots of clean food while bulking this time around. zzzz...
but perhaps thats a good thing.
Just to be safe, i better cut down a little bit on the fish oils too...
Thanks guys.
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Hi guys, i would really need some advise here.

I started off with 50kgs, 175cm about 1 1/2 years ago. I'm at 63-64kgs now. I started by changing my diet and doing Rippetoe workouts.

It worked well for some time and then i continued the compound workouts but i added some extra workouts. After a while i found no results and i hardly feel pain the next day. My goal is to real 70kgs.

Diet for now:
Breakfast: 1 cup of nescafe + 4 pieces of bread with peanut butter/jam/butter or cereals with milk + 2 tablets of Seven seas multivitamin + 2 half boiled eggs
Brunch: None
Lunch: Mixed food with at least 1 meat + vegetables
In betweens: Cereals with milk and 1 scoop of whey before gym
Dinner: Mixed food with at least 1 meat + vegetables + 1 sccop of whey if workout day
Supper: None

I'm trying BSN truemass currently but i don't really see any difference. Weight is more stable than before but i hardly see any gains. I take 1 1/2 scoop before gym and 1 1/2 after gym. I'm not taking whey for the moment since i'm taking truemass.

I'm not too sure whether it could be because of my lifestyle too. I go to gym almost 6 days a week. I don't do the same body parts the following day. Could it be over training since i'm there 6 days? Besides that, I play golf on Saturday and join 1 hour of hip hop on Sundays in the gym.

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QUOTE(silverwave @ Apr 27 2010, 10:58 PM)
Hi guys, i would really need some advise here.

I started off with 50kgs, 175cm about 1 1/2 years ago. I'm at 63-64kgs now. I started by changing my diet and doing Rippetoe workouts.

It worked well for some time and then i continued the compound workouts but i added some extra workouts. After a while i found no results and i hardly feel pain the next day. My goal is to real 70kgs.

Diet for now:
Breakfast: 1 cup of nescafe + 4 pieces of bread with peanut butter/jam/butter or cereals with milk + 2 tablets of Seven seas multivitamin + 2 half boiled eggs
Brunch: None
Lunch: Mixed food with at least 1 meat + vegetables
In betweens: Cereals with milk and 1 scoop of whey before gym
Dinner: Mixed food with at least 1 meat + vegetables + 1 sccop of whey if workout day
Supper: None

I'm trying BSN truemass currently but i don't really see any difference. Weight is more stable than before but i hardly see any gains. I take 1 1/2 scoop before gym and 1 1/2 after gym. I'm not taking whey for the moment since i'm taking truemass.

I'm not too sure whether it could be because of my lifestyle too. I go to gym almost 6 days a week. I don't do the same body parts the following day. Could it be over training since i'm there 6 days? Besides that, I play golf on Saturday and join 1 hour of hip hop on Sundays in the gym.

Any advise on how i can improve?  flex.gif

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The chance of undereating is more like to occur than the chance of overtraining.

Here's a hint. My girlfriend eats more than you. This is not intended to be insulting but seriously, she does.

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The chance of undereating is more like to occur than the chance of overtraining.

Here's a hint. My girlfriend eats more than you. This is not intended to be insulting but seriously, she does.
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Which meal should i improve? I usually take my breakfast and lunch until i'm really full.
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Which meal should i improve? I usually take my breakfast and lunch until i'm really full.
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Almost all your meals have insufficient protein in there bro. Right now you're eating just roughly 3 meals a day. My minimum amount of meals a day are 4, normally 5-6. If i can push it to 7, I would but life isn't optimal for that i know. We have lives to go on with. But I'm sure you can do better than this.

Where's your supper? Chicken and rice is a good alternative. Healthily cooked. And your mixed rice, more meat.
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QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 27 2010, 08:06 PM)
Just to be safe, i better cut down a little bit on the fish oils too...
Thanks guys.

WHAT?!
Saturated fat is the one affecting your cholesterol level. Not omega 3 fatty acids.
Omega 3 & omega 6 fatty acids are ESSENTIAL fatty acid. You get malnutrished if you don't have enough of them.
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QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 27 2010, 08:06 PM)
Ouch bro.
well its frustrating on my end as i thought i was getting healthier while cutting and watching diet and all.
my last med check up was 2 years ago, it was ald high back then. so i was expecting it to drop. but it went UP instead. -.-"
After u mentioned hyper responder in the last post, i was really suspecting that too. I'm gonna stay away from yolks for the next 3 months and see how that goes.
sigh... how depressing. i love egg yolks. the sight, the taste.... oh well.
Thanks alot bro.
I eat beef only sparingly as its more expensive than chicken. BBing is ald expensive as it is tongue.gif
i only eat beef 1-3x a week.
Already taking oats, but thats in small amount for breakfast.

I was planning to start bulking in 17 days time. so with this in mind, its gonna be tougher. i guess i have to eat lots of clean food while bulking this time around. zzzz...
but perhaps thats a good thing.
Just to be safe, i better cut down a little bit on the fish oils too...
Thanks guys.
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i did my latest checkup december 09.

HDL = 0.81 mmol/L (normal shud be >1.03)
LDL = 3.13 mmol/L (normal shud be <2.58)

Total Cholesterol / HDL ratio = 5.9 (normal should be <5/0)
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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Apr 28 2010, 10:39 AM)
i did my latest checkup december 09.

HDL = 0.81 mmol/L  (normal shud be >1.03)
LDL = 3.13 mmol/L (normal shud be <2.58)

Total Cholesterol / HDL ratio = 5.9 (normal should be <5/0)
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last i did blood test / medical test was 2 years ago and i had both HDL down (bad) and LDL ultra down (excellent)
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Saturated fat is the one affecting your cholesterol level. Not omega 3 fatty acids.
Omega 3 & omega 6 fatty acids are ESSENTIAL fatty acid. You get malnutrished if you don't have enough of them.
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Shd i take even more instead?
as it is, its morning: 2 caps salmon oil + 1 cap shark liver oil
pre-bed: 2 caps salmon oil

each cap is 1000mg.

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Shd i take even more instead?
as it is, its morning: 2 caps salmon oil + 1 cap shark liver oil
pre-bed: 2 caps salmon oil

each cap is 1000mg.
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QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 27 2010, 08:06 PM)
Ouch bro.
well its frustrating on my end as i thought i was getting healthier while cutting and watching diet and all.
my last med check up was 2 years ago, it was ald high back then. so i was expecting it to drop. but it went UP instead. -.-"
After u mentioned hyper responder in the last post, i was really suspecting that too. I'm gonna stay away from yolks for the next 3 months and see how that goes.
sigh... how depressing. i love egg yolks. the sight, the taste.... oh well.
Thanks alot bro.
I eat beef only sparingly as its more expensive than chicken. BBing is ald expensive as it is tongue.gif
i only eat beef 1-3x a week.
Already taking oats, but thats in small amount for breakfast.
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Kakaka.. i'm in d same situation. Dr said if up some more will have to take med.
Last time high choles,so i took oats, but at same time upped my bad food intake to bulk.
Now proven eggs, roasted pork + oily food is more powderful than oats.

Jus got carnitine frm bata, gettin some ala too, upping my oats + salad everyday. Planning to maintain yolks daily.
Lets see if the cholesterol can be halted this time.
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may i ask y is it that i wil feel bloated everytime when i finish gym. my body will look very big and fat.

the next day, it wil slim down... why is that so?

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QUOTE(de.crystal @ Apr 28 2010, 05:43 PM)
may i ask y is it that i wil feel bloated everytime when i finish gym.  my body will look very big and fat.

the next day, it wil slim down... why is that so?
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The pump in your workouts decreases definition. But it's only temporary. Which is my bodybuilders in the back room shortly before they go on stage don't pump up too much, they just do enough to get the blood flowing.
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Lat pulldown got? Is it near to Bandar Mahkota Cheras? How far is it from the new Jusco? And how much is ppe?
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 28 2010, 05:49 PM)
The pump in your workouts decreases definition. But it's only temporary. Which is my bodybuilders in the back room shortly before they go on stage don't pump up too much, they just do enough to get the blood flowing.
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so is that a good sign showing that i have really "worked out“ the part?
or is bad sign cz din do it properly..
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QUOTE(de.crystal @ Apr 28 2010, 05:53 PM)
so is that a good sign showing that i have really "worked out“ the part?
or is bad sign cz din do it properly..
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Feel the pump,enjoy it cause it doesn't last long.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 28 2010, 05:55 PM)
Good.
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Yeah there's a lat pulldown machine. Uh, approx 5-10 minutes drive or so from the new Jusco. RM5 per entry.
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Found it easily. Were you there today around 3-4 plus? I saw a guy logged as Daniel.
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Feel the pump,enjoy it cause it doesn't last long.
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y do u say so?
isnt better when have define body?
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y do u say so?
isnt better when have define body?
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Found it easily. Were you there today around 3-4 plus? I saw a guy logged as Daniel.
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Nice, would be going to that gym more often now. Not bad. I'm going on Friday for arms tho. Hope to meet you up then. smile.gif
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I'm on a 3-day split so I go on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.
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I shall not flame i shall not flame i shall not flame i shall not flame.
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tel me. i dun mind, flaming = learning.. btw i am used to it too cry.gif
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I'm on a 3-day split so I go on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.
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tel me.  i dun mind, flaming =  learning..  btw i am used to it too cry.gif
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tel me.  i dun mind, flaming =  learning..  btw i am used to it too cry.gif
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The pump is temporary. Get it?
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tel me.  i dun mind, flaming =  learning..  btw i am used to it too cry.gif
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Bodybuilding is all about the pump. Blood flows into your muscles so that your fascia can tear (search it up). Then only your muscles grow. Thats in a nutshell but it pretty sums up everything.
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You're wrong.

"It's as satisfying to me as, uh, coming is, you know? As, ah, having sex with a woman and coming. And so can you believe how much I am in heaven? I am like, uh, getting the feeling of coming in a gym, I'm getting the feeling of coming at home, I'm getting the feeling of coming backstage when I pump up, when I pose in front of 5,000 people, I get the same feeling, so I am coming day and night. I mean, it's terrific. Right? So you know, I am in heaven." - Arnold
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 28 2010, 06:29 PM)
You're wrong.

"It's as satisfying to me as, uh, coming is, you know? As, ah, having sex with a woman and coming. And so can you believe how much I am in heaven? I am like, uh, getting the feeling of coming in a gym, I'm getting the feeling of coming at home, I'm getting the feeling of coming backstage when I pump up, when I pose in front of 5,000 people, I get the same feeling, so I am coming day and night. I mean, it's terrific. Right? So you know, I am in heaven." - Arnold
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Lol, enjoying hols la. Cannot is it? VANILLA!!
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QUOTE(pedro @ Apr 28 2010, 06:27 PM)
I guess you never felt pumped before that's why you have no idea how it feels.
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yeah and now i understand
thanks to all sifus who criticised me and pushed me for that brows.gif
i can feel the different, easily get thirsty, and got bloated. hehe.
feeling wise, i am not really sure...


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The pump is temporary. Get it?
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i know is temporary
bt y should i enjoy? since the body looks ugly at that time alth after that will evolve.

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 28 2010, 06:38 PM)
Lol, enjoying hols la. Cannot is it? VANILLA!!
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damn... thats david wrongly stated statement.
grrr... =.=
come to think of it, vanilla, then... chocolate also can be produced.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 28 2010, 06:29 PM)
You're wrong.

"It's as satisfying to me as, uh, coming is, you know? As, ah, having sex with a woman and coming. And so can you believe how much I am in heaven? I am like, uh, getting the feeling of coming in a gym, I'm getting the feeling of coming at home, I'm getting the feeling of coming backstage when I pump up, when I pose in front of 5,000 people, I get the same feeling, so I am coming day and night. I mean, it's terrific. Right? So you know, I am in heaven." - Arnold
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haha that is always a great line to remember..
great motivation..



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QUOTE(alzaim @ Apr 28 2010, 07:27 PM)
haha that is always a great line to remember..
great motivation..

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ferrigno worked hard as hell and i liked it cuz it was done in an underground gym unlike arnold dalam gym gempax
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QUOTE(jimmyian88 @ Apr 28 2010, 08:05 PM)
yo guys. im just wondering what does animal pak do? i saw it under creatine and anti estrogen on some website. its capsules?? and any good?
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tablets...huge as ur thumb
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its a good multivit and it doesnt do anything except help your body to go thru life in the long run



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Okay, so I'm not going to the bar tonight because my friends all canceled at the last minute. LAME. So much for an impromptu H&F gathering (again)!
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Okay, so I'm not going to the bar tonight because my friends all canceled at the last minute.  LAME.  So much for an impromptu H&F gathering (again)!
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Sorry to hear that bro. You can join us at Hart tonight. We're going at 10pm.
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Sorry to hear that bro. You can join us at Hart tonight. We're going at 10pm.
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What!?!?! i just came back from there!
i was in some pub/bar that had some pagent going on.
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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Apr 28 2010, 06:44 PM)
damn... thats david wrongly stated statement.
grrr... =.=
come to think of it, vanilla, then... chocolate also can be produced.
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QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 29 2010, 01:43 AM)
What!?!?! i just came back from there!
i was in some pub/bar that had some pagent going on.
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i assume transvestite pagent?
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please stop making it worse
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We changed venue to Devi's Corner. It's kinda our new hangout spot. Good burgers and awesome shisha.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 29 2010, 11:52 AM)
We changed venue to Devi's Corner. It's kinda our new hangout spot. Good burgers and awesome shisha.
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haha awesome..im almost there every day..

and i'll inform ajai shisha and the burger owner about the good review haha..


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haha awesome..im almost there every day..

and i'll inform ajai shisha and the burger owner about the good review haha..
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Nah i already told them myself. They seem to be nice fellas. There was a bunch of guys near the shisha place looking at me weird. =(
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 29 2010, 11:55 AM)
Nah i already told them myself. They seem to be nice fellas. There was a bunch of guys near the shisha place looking at me weird. =(
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 29 2010, 11:55 AM)
Nah i already told them myself. They seem to be nice fellas. There was a bunch of guys near the shisha place looking at me weird. =(
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hahhahaa...that should be my table...
i was wearing orange.. and yes the shisha guys are nice fellas..

nah they just said you look huge.. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(alzaim @ Apr 29 2010, 11:59 AM)
hahhahaa...that should be my table...
i was wearing orange.. and yes the shisha guys  are nice fellas..

nah they just said you look huge..  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Told ya,they already discussing about you!

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QUOTE(alzaim @ Apr 29 2010, 11:59 AM)
hahhahaa...that should be my table...
i was wearing orange.. and yes the shisha guys  are nice fellas..

nah they just said you look huge..  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(pedro @ Apr 29 2010, 12:00 PM)
Told ya,they already discussing about you!

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This place seems better than Hartamas already. My friends said it might be our new venue to hang out. The shisha at Hart Square is f***ing bullshit now. Burns out in less than half hour while yesterday's one lasted really long. And they love Happy Jack's. The guy was telling me no one ever ordered triple before. LOL, i was thinking if Pedro and angrydog were there, gone la.
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Didn't want to create a new thread but I have a question on water and food intake during workouts and I thought of throwing it out here.

I have been going to the gym for quite a while and I'm happy with my progress but today while I was working out, this FF PT approached me and asked me not to drink too much water (3 liters of water in that two hours) and eat (I hit the gym for 2 hours and I eat a quarter of a banana every half an hour) as he said that it would slow down my progress.

Any truth in what he said?
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Apr 29 2010, 12:31 PM)
Didn't want to create a new thread but I have a question on water and food intake during workouts and I thought of throwing it out here.

I have been going to the gym for quite a while and I'm happy with my progress but today while I was working out, this FF PT approached me and asked me not to drink too much water (3 liters of water in that two hours) and eat (I hit the gym for 2 hours and I eat a quarter of a banana every half an hour) as he said that it would slow down my progress.

Any truth in what he said?
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Punch him for the first statement.

Pat him on the head for the second statement.
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Apr 29 2010, 12:31 PM)
Didn't want to create a new thread but I have a question on water and food intake during workouts and I thought of throwing it out here.

I have been going to the gym for quite a while and I'm happy with my progress but today while I was working out, this FF PT approached me and asked me not to drink too much water (3 liters of water in that two hours) and eat (I hit the gym for 2 hours and I eat a quarter of a banana every half an hour) as he said that it would slow down my progress.

Any truth in what he said?
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I think at 3 liters/2 hours, you're kind of skirting the edge of water poisoning!
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 29 2010, 11:52 AM)
We changed venue to Devi's Corner. It's kinda our new hangout spot. Good burgers and awesome shisha.
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at bangsar?
i work out at bangsar village i may come to say hi if u guys are there nod.gif
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QUOTE(angrydog @ Apr 29 2010, 12:43 PM)
I think at 3 liters/2 hours, you're kind of skirting the edge of water poisoning!
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=P Actually i can drink around 2 large mineral water bottles within 2 hours while working out. But eating a banana every 15 mins is bad. The body can't focus on working out and digestion at the same time. I've had people telling me they don't experience sufficient pumps in their workouts. Main reason could be the source of carbs and nutrient timing.

Which is why supps like NO-Explode are always advised to be taken on an empty stomach.


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at bangsar?
i work out at bangsar village i may come to say hi if u guys are there  nod.gif
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Hartamas la.

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 29 2010, 12:42 PM)
Punch him for the first statement.

Pat him on the head for the second statement.
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Eating is a no no? I always thought bananas were good. sad.gif I kinda feel my gastric kicking in, especially in the last half hour.

I suppose this means I should eat more pre-workout right?
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Apr 29 2010, 12:54 PM)
Eating is a no no? I always thought bananas were good.  sad.gif I kinda feel my gastric kicking in, especially in the last half hour.

I suppose this means I should eat more pre-workout right?
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Or you could mix a scoop of whey or a teaspoonful of BCAA's with some glucose in a shaker and sip it continuously throughout your workout.

What's your preworkout like?
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 29 2010, 12:55 PM)
Or you could mix a scoop of whey or a teaspoonful of BCAA's with some glucose in a shaker and sip it continuously throughout your workout.

What's your preworkout like?
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Sadly, I have not been taking whey for a long time (5 months) but I'm saving to gather enough funds for it.

12.30 PM Lunch - Toufu + Chicken + french beans + small rice [outside in college, can't cook]

4.00 PM 4 egg whites + 1 banana

5.30 - 5.45 I'll be at the gym. [3 liters water + 1 banana]

Any advice on where I should tweak? It's not the lack of energy that I suffer from, I can still continue but it's the gastric juice that stops me.

Rather than water, would you recommend glucose + water?

I have to admit I got the banana idea from watching tennis tongue.gif

@angrydog, I have a 500 ml bottle of 100 Plus or gatorade after my workout. My mom also is afraid of me getting water poisoning but I just can't stop drinking water. I mean, I sweat a bucket. I have to change shirts and underwear during my workout, that's how bad it is.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, I try my best to hit the gym at 5.30-5.45 but sometimes if I am unable to do so, I'll go after breakfast.

6.30 AM - 2 egg whites + 1 bowl of oats

8.00 AM Gym [same diet, 3 liters + 1 banana]

In case if that has an effect.

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Apr 29 2010, 01:00 PM)
Sadly, I have not been taking whey for a long time (5 months) but I'm saving to gather enough funds for it.

12.30 PM Lunch - Toufu + Chicken + french beans + small rice [outside in college, can't cook]

4.00 PM 4 egg whites + 1 banana

5.30 - 5.45 I'll be at the gym. [3 liters water + 1 banana]

Any advice on where I should tweak?

I have to admit I got the banana idea from watching tennis tongue.gif

@angrydog, I have a 500 ml bottle of 100 Plus or gatorade after my workout. My mom also is afraid of me getting water poisoning but I just can't stop drinking water. I mean, I sweat a bucket. I have to change shirts and underwear during my workout, that's how bad it is.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, I try my best to hit the gym at 5.30-5.45 but sometimes if I am unable to do so, I'll go after breakfast.

6.30 AM - 2 egg whites + 1 bowl of oats

8.00 AM Gym [same diet, 3 liters + 1 banana]

In case if that has an effect.
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You should pm angrydog for advice about a non supplementation diet. The guy has made amazing gains without using any sort of supps whatsoever. But one thing i can say is your breakfast and preworkout quantity ain't enough.
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Okay, I'll try to eat more pre-workout.

Last two questions:

1) Would Gatorade or 100 Plus slow down my progress?

2) Would you recommend Glucose + water rather than plain water during workouts?

Thanks.
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Apr 29 2010, 01:15 PM)
Okay, I'll try to eat more pre-workout.

Last two questions:

1) Would Gatorade or 100 Plus slow down my progress?

2) Would you recommend Glucose + water rather than plain water during workouts?

Thanks.
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There are varying opinions on this. Milos Sarcev doesn't agree to a trainee taking just glucose alone. He said glucose with protein. As to question 1, don't think so. Tried it before seemed ok.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 29 2010, 01:18 PM)
There are varying opinions on this. Milos Sarcev doesn't agree to a trainee taking just glucose alone. He said glucose with protein. As to question 1, don't think so. Tried it before seemed ok.
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Apr 29 2010, 01:15 PM)
Okay, I'll try to eat more pre-workout.

Last two questions:

1) Would Gatorade or 100 Plus slow down my progress?

2) Would you recommend Glucose + water rather than plain water during workouts?

Thanks.
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Actually you need to eat a LOT more. 2 eggs preworkout, even if you eat 2 full eggs is definitely not enough.


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he need $$ for protein.
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Actually not just him. Various sites too and bodybuilders in person.

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We changed venue to Devi's Corner. It's kinda our new hangout spot. Good burgers and awesome shisha.
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Actually not just him. Various sites too and bodybuilders in person.
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(for steaks)
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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Apr 29 2010, 03:04 PM)
Where is this Devi's Corner???
hard to find a good shisha place nowdays.
most of them use cheap charcoal. aii..
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ABC Mamak, at Taman Seri Taming, near Len Sen. But depends on different days, when the boss is around to prepare it, its GOOD.
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is it the one near Alam Damai????


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huhu
i know where's devis in hartamas
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can drop by whenever
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Apr 29 2010, 04:09 PM)
huhu
i know where's devis in hartamas
slalu gak lalu that area cuz my gf likes the eateries in hatamas
can drop by whenever
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hartamas square is closing down rite?
police decided to take back the land.
wonder how much they make from renting that piece of land out....


went to this ABC mamak once, maybe can give it a try again soon.


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I'm shishaing there tonight haha.
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Where is this Devi's Corner???
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Hartamas????

QUOTE(angrydog @ Apr 29 2010, 02:11 PM)
It's at times like these we need a Costco or some other bulk supplier in Malaysia.

(for steaks)
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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Apr 29 2010, 04:43 PM)
hartamas square is closing down rite?
police decided to take back the land.
wonder how much they make from renting that piece of land out....
went to this ABC mamak once, maybe can give it a try again soon.
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hah closing down ? seriously ?
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Hartamas????
I wanna eat steak everyday, too bad can't afford it. You get all the free creatine it comes with rare.
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yup hartamas is okay....
but they're closing down, they're moving to.... uhh...
i forgot where the kakak told me they're moving to....

actually if u bought the steak at supermarket and cook it yourself, its quite affordable though...
some supermarket pre-marinate em...


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hah closing down ? seriously ?
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yup closing down, the land belongs to the police,
so i guess they're building a police station there lor..
beside is bomba ma...


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Hey darkie.
Is "Hammer strength plate loaded shoulder press" machine? Equivalent to machine shoulder press?

Any comment why you are not doing bar military press and bar upright row?


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QUOTE(olkooi @ Apr 30 2010, 11:31 AM)
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Hey darkie.
Is "Hammer strength plate loaded shoulder press" machine? Equivalent to machine shoulder press?

Any comment why you are not doing bar military press and bar upright row?
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i think he posted 1-2 weeks back on why he did not do it
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if im not mistaken, its because the focus for delts should be more on the isolation exercises...
although its all up to u if u wanna do it

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hey has anyone ordered stuff from bodybuilding.com?

i placed my order on the 4th of April, via International FedEx post which has an estimate of 7-14days.

i haven't receive my order yet, and was just wondering how long it usually takes
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QUOTE(tineagle @ Apr 30 2010, 01:30 PM)
hey has anyone ordered stuff from bodybuilding.com?

i placed my order on the 4th of April, via International FedEx post which has an estimate of 7-14days.

i haven't receive my order yet, and was just wondering how long it usually takes
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i think he posted 1-2 weeks back on why he did not do it
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if im not mistaken, its because the focus for delts should be more on the isolation exercises...
although its all up to u if u wanna do it
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compound vs isolated exercise eh...

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QUOTE(olkooi @ Apr 30 2010, 11:31 AM)
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Hey darkie.
Is "Hammer strength plate loaded shoulder press" machine? Equivalent to machine shoulder press?

Any comment why you are not doing bar military press and bar upright row?
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Hammer strength - way better than conventional machines. I can Smith shoulder press 225lbs. Not that hard. Hammer I could go heavier but the dumbbell presses already f***ed me over.
Bodybuilding - isolating a particular muscle group even if it's a compound exercise, sounds contradictory but it makes sense. I mentioned before i did that in front of Terry once and he told me to scrap it.
Upright row - too lazy. Lol.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 30 2010, 02:24 PM)
Hammer strength - way better than conventional machines. I can Smith shoulder press 225lbs. Not that hard. Hammer I could go heavier but the dumbbell presses already f***ed me over.
Bodybuilding - isolating a particular muscle group even if it's a compound exercise, sounds contradictory but it makes sense. I mentioned before i did that in front of Terry once and he told me to scrap it.
Upright row - too lazy. Lol.
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u gotta try Hammer Strength machines yourself to see how close it feels to freeweights. the movement is very natural


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QUOTE(bata @ Apr 30 2010, 04:31 PM)
u gotta try Hammer Strength machines yourself to see how close it feels to freeweights. the movement is very natural
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QUOTE(olkooi @ Apr 30 2010, 02:05 PM)
BB.com is trustworthy.
Be patience.
im confident with bb.com, its the malaysian kastams I am worried bout so i was just wondering how long it takes for delivery

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QUOTE(tineagle @ Apr 30 2010, 05:17 PM)
im confident with bb.com, its the malaysian kastams I am worried bout so i was just wondering how long it takes for delivery
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My orders in the past took up to 4 weeks just to reach me.
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QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 30 2010, 05:33 PM)
My orders in the past took up to 4 weeks just to reach me.
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ah, ok. thanks for sharing, i will continue to wait feeling a little more assured smile.gif
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ah, ok. thanks for sharing, i will continue to wait feeling a little more assured smile.gif
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Added on April 30, 2010, 5:48 pmbtw since someone mentioned about ordering online,
just wanna check, did the custom dept check the stuff we order?
did anyone experience stuff that was not allowed in by the customs etc???
always wanted to order online but affraid some of the stuff will be block by the customs dept.

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Did squats on the smith machine yesterday. Felt a little odd, since it was the first time using it, but it seemed to hit my quads a lot better. I'm really feeling it today.
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Nice, I recently switched back squats to smith machine squats too. Use less of glutes. Don't forget the leg presses heh.

Was in the gym today and saw this two tall, really skinny chinese dudes doing benchpress and cable crossovers, with weights too heavy for them, some I don't even use, squeeze a few half assed reps with each "spotting" with one hand, shouting motivation to each other. After finishing their set, they'll look around all cocky and thinking to themselves that they're so strong. Lousy form, heavy weights and stupid face doesn't go together.

Felt like punching them. Pfft.

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Haven't done leg presses for quite some time. =x My leg workout used to be squats, leg curls, leg extensions and calf raises.
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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Apr 30 2010, 05:46 PM)
u can check from the air waybill no with the courrier ma, see dekat mana sangkut.


Added on April 30, 2010, 5:48 pmbtw since someone mentioned about ordering online,
just wanna check, did the custom dept check the stuff we order?
did anyone experience stuff that was not allowed in by the customs etc???
always wanted to order online but affraid some of the stuff will be block by the customs dept.
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Yes they do.
every package i have received in the past will have a "Checked by customs" sticker or note attached to it.
i have ordered about up to 10 packages from BB.com in the past.

however, one of the later orders i made got stuck at customs once. They sent me a letter saying i need to pay some taxes/dunno what fee to get my stuff.
in that particular order was 3 tubs of Syntha-6 and glucosamine or was it BCAA... back then.
its similar to all my other orders actually.
Its not that it wasnt allowed, its just that i had to pay extra 50 bux to get my stuff.

I was playing safe by only ordering stuffs that was already sold locally.
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Wake up y'all! WAKE UP:-

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/mess-ernestin...ory?id=10480184
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 30 2010, 06:56 PM)
Wow,this kinda reminds me of this uncle in the gym i go to. he's around 60, he's got 6 packs, and he curls 20kg dumbells and he looks like hes only 40 plus.
always cheerful with a smile on his face. i seem him there almost everyday. heh heh
he's fitter than 95% of the ppl at da gym
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 30 2010, 06:56 PM)
daaaaaaayyyummm.

150 lbs bench at 73 wthhh. great read though. really inspiring article darkie
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QUOTE(John91 @ Apr 30 2010, 06:27 PM)
Nice, I recently switched back squats to smith machine squats too. Use less of glutes. Don't forget the leg presses heh.

Was in the gym today and saw this two tall, really skinny chinese dudes doing benchpress and cable crossovers, with weights too heavy for them, some I don't even use, squeeze a few half assed reps with each "spotting" with one hand, shouting motivation to each other. After finishing their set, they'll look around all cocky and thinking to themselves that they're so strong. Lousy form, heavy weights and stupid face doesn't go together.

Felt like punching them. Pfft.
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Kaki Gym?
alot of those people in the petang time.
try to come at night bro, alot of vetaran there. they're crazy but they dont shout.
although sometimes they let go of the weight to the floor which i dont really like la.


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Kaki Gym?
alot of those people in the petang time.
try to come at night bro, alot of vetaran there. they're crazy but they dont shout.
although sometimes they let go of the weight to the floor which i dont really like la.
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Bro, I would drop the weight than risk a sprain on my wrist if doing heavy presses.
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QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 30 2010, 06:56 PM)
Yes they do.
every package i have received in the past will have a "Checked by customs" sticker or note attached to it.
i have ordered about up to 10 packages from BB.com in the past.

however, one of the later orders i made got stuck at customs once. They sent me a letter saying i need to pay some taxes/dunno what fee to get my stuff.
in that particular order was 3 tubs of Syntha-6 and glucosamine or was it BCAA... back then.
its similar to all my other orders actually.
Its not that it wasnt allowed, its just that i had to pay extra 50 bux to get my stuff.

I was playing safe by only ordering stuffs that was already sold locally.
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thats what i thought, sometimes i wanted to order stuff that's not in the local market but scared it'll get stuck at the custom area.


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Bro, I would drop the weight than risk a sprain on my wrist if doing heavy presses.
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that would make sense but this people is okay, those college boy like those that John mentioned, they will take a 35-40 pound dumbell and start doing some stupid dont-know-what-kind-of-swinging-standing-dumbell-curl and after 4-5 reps throw it down on the floor, sometimes if the thing landed side way it will jump to the side, that is very harzerdous.


this old people although they drop it, but they make sure that their workout area is clear.
this young buggers just throw em down to get attention.
felt like punching em sometimes.
but usually even if i do heavy deadlift or leg presses or anything i usually will put the weights drop slowly...
sometimes if really can tahan then no choice have to let go, cant take the risk of injury.
sometimes is okay not ever damn set also throw it down. people also will look semacam man.

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alot of those people in the petang time.
try to come at night bro, alot of vetaran there. they're crazy but they dont shout.
although sometimes they let go of the weight to the floor which i dont really like la.
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No la at Average Joe's. But every gym also got this kinda of mutherf**kers wan la.
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QUOTE(John91 @ Apr 30 2010, 07:59 PM)
No la at Average Joe's. But every gym also got this kinda of mutherf**kers wan la.
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I think I've seen those two dudes before. doh.gif
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QUOTE(John91 @ Apr 30 2010, 06:27 PM)
Nice, I recently switched back squats to smith machine squats too. Use less of glutes. Don't forget the leg presses heh.

Was in the gym today and saw this two tall, really skinny chinese dudes doing benchpress and cable crossovers, with weights too heavy for them, some I don't even use, squeeze a few half assed reps with each "spotting" with one hand, shouting motivation to each other. After finishing their set, they'll look around all cocky and thinking to themselves that they're so strong. Lousy form, heavy weights and stupid face doesn't go together.

Felt like punching them. Pfft.
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they cud charge u in court under criminal or tort
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"budak budak main (besi) tak jadi"
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guys
i've been a member of this site for quite some time (actually 6 years but rarely check...hahaha)
it tells you the average nutrition content in almost any food u can find on earth
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i think u guys cud give it a go
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jangan tumbuk
they cud charge u in court under criminal or tort
hahaha...
in ff maxis, the pt's and i have a label for these 5 malay dudes who fit ur description above
"budak budak main (besi) tak jadi"
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I didn't know it was wrong to punch someone who has face problem. Chill la, my gf studies law, she'll bail me out anytime lol. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(John91 @ Apr 30 2010, 08:21 PM)
I didn't know it was wrong to punch someone who has face problem. Chill la, my gf studies law, she'll bail me out anytime lol. icon_idea.gif
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huhu
hell im working the law dude
but tell ur gf, please dont waste her life into practicing
cuz u'll be dragged into the mess of practicing life as well
she'll be fat and ugly later on
its a good first degree but not a good thing to only settle with it
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I didn't know it was wrong to punch someone who has face problem. Chill la, my gf studies law, she'll bail me out anytime lol. icon_idea.gif
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Nope, its wrong but police cant take action bcoz you're using hand, unless its with weapon or u pukul separuh mati, until go icu or something, but u can be sued, but, not all lawyer will take this case, bcoz its damn mahfan. Ask ur gf, she shud know better.

Usually if the person make police report the police will just give u a warning, thats all..
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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Apr 30 2010, 08:50 PM)
Nope, its wrong but police cant take action bcoz you're using hand, unless its with weapon or u pukul separuh mati, until go icu or something, but u can be sued, but, not all lawyer will take this case, bcoz its damn mahfan. Ask ur gf, she shud know better.

Usually if the person make police report the police will just give u a warning, thats all..
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err police can take action
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its well within their powers if they want to
can check the civil procedure code, police act etc...

and lawyers will take the case if it goes to court...with the right fee

anyway, this is out of topic bros
hahahaa

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err police can take action
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its well within their powers if they want to
can check the civil procedure code, police act etc...

and lawyers will take the case if it goes to court...with the right fee

anyway, this is out of topic bros
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Arms arms arms + fore arm.

Btw darkie, do u do forearm? If yes any routine?

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lol joking only la. I'll drag her to the gym for sure, don't worry.
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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Apr 30 2010, 08:55 PM)
Can but they wont trust me, lol, i dont think those skiny guys will dare to take john to court, lol, ok, back to topic, *cough*


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Arms arms arms + fore arm.

Btw darkie, do u do forearm? If yes any routine?
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Apr 30 2010, 10:34 PM)
Yes, weighted masturbations. Tie plate to wrist and do it.
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well u can just tie the plate and train without involving the m part whistling.gif

that could induce loss of protein, no?
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Sigh....just ate McDonald's double spicy chicken mcdeluxe for dinner at 12 midnight. T.T

thought of leaving half behind but i dont like the idea of wasting food. will pay the price now.

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I eat OTAI burgers beef double special with 2 eggs and then go home drink weight gainer with whey 2 hours later at 2 in the morning. Lol. Chill, bulking season...
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ May 1 2010, 12:24 AM)
Sigh....just ate McDonald's double spicy chicken mcdeluxe for dinner at 12 midnight. T.T

thought of leaving half behind but i dont like the idea of wasting food. will pay the price now.

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We're on the same boat. I just had a large serving of nasi lemak + fried chicken + 5 hard boiled eggs and a plate of char koay teow. Gonna go for a run tomorrow morning.

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QUOTE(harris92 @ May 1 2010, 12:54 AM)
We're on the same boat. I just had a large serving of nasi lemak + fried chicken + 5 hard boiled eggs and a plate of char koay teow. Gonna go for a run tomorrow morning.
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who says u cant cut fat if you have whey?
bought since feb and you took less than 10 scoops?


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Sigh....just ate McDonald's double spicy chicken mcdeluxe for dinner at 12 midnight. T.T

thought of leaving half behind but i dont like the idea of wasting food. will pay the price now.

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ May 1 2010, 12:59 PM)
@ faizpsp89

who says u cant cut fat if you have whey?
bought since feb and you took less than 10 scoops?
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Owh my friend said so..haihh im really pening now..

Yup i rarely take the whey since my friend said lose weight first then only take the whey blush.gif
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QUOTE(faizpsp89 @ May 1 2010, 02:59 PM)
Owh my friend said so..haihh im really pening now..

Yup i rarely take the whey since my friend said lose weight first then only take the whey blush.gif
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know your macros yo.
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i'm trying to gain muscle weight...been eating like crazy...but sadly ate too much junk and ended up with a big belly....how do i get rid of the fat without losing the muscle that i've build....is there any chance that i can still build muscle and loss fat??? some people ask me to clean up my diet...hmmm...help please...
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QUOTE(super messi @ May 2 2010, 12:19 PM)
i'm trying to gain muscle weight...been eating like crazy...but sadly ate too much junk and ended up with a big belly....how do i get rid of the fat without losing the muscle that i've build....is there any chance that i can still build muscle and loss fat??? some people ask me to clean up my diet...hmmm...help please...
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yes it is. you have to be careful of what you ingest.

eating clean and weight training is the key.

I lost 5% of bf and maintained the same bodyweight over 5months with 4days of weight training a week and 1 day of sports(basketball, my only cardio).
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QUOTE(tineagle @ May 2 2010, 12:23 PM)
yes it is. you have to be careful of what you ingest.

eating clean and weight training is the key.

I lost 5% of bf and maintained the same bodyweight over 5months with 4days of weight training a week and 1 day of sports(basketball, my only cardio).
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wow tineagle thats awesome. your diet must be pretty clean man. mind sharing diet and ur training plan?
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wow tineagle thats awesome. your diet must be pretty clean man. mind sharing diet and ur training plan?
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thanks. I am really strict 5 days a week, and let loose a little during weekends(still maintain high protein, just allow more calories and cheat meals but with limitation).

Diet consists of the high protein, mod carbs, mod/low fat 6 meals a day. 3 main meals, 2 snacks(usually sandwiches/boiled eggs), 1 post workout shake.

Main source of carbs are pasta, oatmeal and white rice(post workout meals only).
Protein from WHOLE eggs, milk, chicken, fish, and red meat.

Training is a 4 day split. mon-thurs, friday 2+ hours of basketball(cardio).

seems to be working out great for me.

I was 72kg with 22%bf a year ago. The last test I did 3 weeks back at CF Subang Parade showed 75.4kg at 16.4% bf.
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QUOTE(super messi @ May 2 2010, 12:19 PM)
i'm trying to gain muscle weight...been eating like crazy...but sadly ate too much junk and ended up with a big belly....how do i get rid of the fat without losing the muscle that i've build....is there any chance that i can still build muscle and loss fat??? some people ask me to clean up my diet...hmmm...help please...
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it's self-discipline man. you don't expect things to happen overnight.
if you cant control your own food, nobody can.
just like any overweight ppl out there, they know wat they r eating, but they refuse to control and regret it later...
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QUOTE(tineagle @ May 2 2010, 12:44 PM)
thanks.  I am really strict 5 days a week, and let loose a little during weekends(still maintain high protein, just allow more calories and cheat meals but with limitation).

Diet consists of the high protein, mod carbs, mod/low fat 6 meals a day. 3 main meals, 2 snacks(usually sandwiches/boiled eggs), 1 post workout shake.

Main source of carbs are pasta, oatmeal and white rice(post workout meals only).
Protein from WHOLE eggs, milk, chicken, fish, and red meat.

Training is a 4 day split. mon-thurs, friday 2+ hours of basketball(cardio).

seems to be working out great for me.

I was 72kg with 22%bf a year ago.  The last test I did 3 weeks back at CF Subang Parade showed 75.4kg at 16.4% bf.
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QUOTE(super messi @ May 2 2010, 12:19 PM)
i'm trying to gain muscle weight...been eating like crazy...but sadly ate too much junk and ended up with a big belly....how do i get rid of the fat without losing the muscle that i've build....is there any chance that i can still build muscle and loss fat??? some people ask me to clean up my diet...hmmm...help please...
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Try this Anabolic Diet

http://stronglifts.com/anabolic-diet-101-t...lic-diet-guide/

Its basically Low Carb, High Protein, High Fat.

It works for me smile.gif
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u guys should start a gain muscle and abs faq and sticky some of your testimonies. along with helpful videos like darkie posted 1 about spot reduction myth..

most of the ppl who have no idea where to start have the same goals.. they either want to

1) look fit but not look bulky and muscular when they are overweight
2) look fit but not look bulky and muscular when they are underweight
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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ May 2 2010, 03:49 PM)
u guys should start a gain muscle and abs faq and sticky some of your testimonies. along with helpful videos like darkie posted 1 about spot reduction myth..

most of the ppl who have no idea where to start have the same goals.. they either want to

1) look fit but not look bulky and muscular when they are overweight
2) look fit but not look bulky and muscular when they are underweight
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well, you can do it and the mod will sticky it.
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QUOTE(tineagle @ May 2 2010, 01:44 PM)
thanks.  I am really strict 5 days a week, and let loose a little during weekends(still maintain high protein, just allow more calories and cheat meals but with limitation).

Diet consists of the high protein, mod carbs, mod/low fat 6 meals a day. 3 main meals, 2 snacks(usually sandwiches/boiled eggs), 1 post workout shake.

Main source of carbs are pasta, oatmeal and white rice(post workout meals only).
Protein from WHOLE eggs, milk, chicken, fish, and red meat.

Training is a 4 day split. mon-thurs, friday 2+ hours of basketball(cardio).

seems to be working out great for me.

I was 72kg with 22%bf a year ago.  The last test I did 3 weeks back at CF Subang Parade showed 75.4kg at 16.4% bf.
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here's a question

how many of you here actually swims every week? Frankly i dont know how to swim but put that aside, i just wana know tongue.gif

is swimming good for bodybuilding? as in a good type of workout to tone muscle?
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QUOTE(chicaman @ May 3 2010, 12:02 AM)
here's a question

how many of you here actually swims every week? Frankly i dont know how to swim but put that aside, i just wana know tongue.gif

is swimming good for bodybuilding? as in a good type of workout to tone muscle?
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ok lol~

anticipating for the end of my finals, i wana start working out in gym asap!!!

aprox 2 more weeks to go!
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Yes but it'll take 3-4 years........
I dont know wat to say.
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depends on genetics and consistency of swimming and types of routine u do
back in high school ramai my chinese took up swimming from zero to brawny
and it took them around 1-2 years
tapi diet jaga and they swim consistently 5 days a week under professional supervision that is
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QUOTE(chicaman @ May 3 2010, 12:02 AM)
here's a question

how many of you here actually swims every week? Frankly i dont know how to swim but put that aside, i just wana know tongue.gif

is swimming good for bodybuilding? as in a good type of workout to tone muscle?
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Hey man. I swim 4 times a week, two hours at a time normally. Don't know how much it helps with bodybuilding though, I just swim for relaxation.
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i doubt it has much to do with bodybuilding.
it may be a good exercise (whole body)
but i dont think it helps u to gain muscles.
maybe toning yes... or some muscles in certain areas.
but not as bodybuilding is concern.
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QUOTE(chicaman @ May 3 2010, 12:02 AM)
here's a question

how many of you here actually swims every week? Frankly i dont know how to swim but put that aside, i just wana know tongue.gif

is swimming good for bodybuilding? as in a good type of workout to tone muscle?
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If you want to look like a bodybuilder, you have to train, eat and live like one.
If you want to look like a swimmer, then u do what a swimmer does.

so if u wanna look like a bodybuilder, but want to do swimming, you would look like a swimmer instead of a bodybuilder.
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QUOTE(harris92 @ May 3 2010, 12:34 AM)
Hey man. I swim 4 times a week, two hours at a time normally. Don't know how much it helps with bodybuilding though, I just swim for relaxation.
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it doesnt help much
good cardio if u ask me

QUOTE(Neek @ May 3 2010, 01:28 AM)
If you want to look like a bodybuilder, you have to train, eat and live like one.
If you want to look like a swimmer, then u do what a swimmer does.

so if u wanna look like a bodybuilder, but want to do swimming, you would look like a swimmer instead of a bodybuilder.
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QUOTE(harris92 @ May 3 2010, 12:34 AM)
Hey man. I swim 4 times a week, two hours at a time normally. Don't know how much it helps with bodybuilding though, I just swim for relaxation.
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I have sex for relaxation.

On a side note, bodybuilding isn't just going to the gym. Hence the famous equation:-
Bodybuilding = recovery = bodybuilding
Recovery = proper nutrition, proper nutrient timing and adequate recuperation.
No one gets bigger in the gym, they get bigger outside the gym.



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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 3 2010, 02:26 AM)
I have sex for relaxation.

On a side note, bodybuilding isn't just going to the gym. Hence the famous equation:-
Bodybuilding = recovery = bodybuilding
Recovery = proper nutrition, proper nutrient timing and adequate recuperation.
No one gets bigger in the gym, they get bigger outside the gym.
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ May 3 2010, 12:26 AM)
depends on genetics and consistency of swimming and types of routine u do
back in high school ramai my chinese took up swimming from zero to brawny
and it took them around 1-2 years
tapi diet jaga and they swim consistently 5 days a week under professional supervision that is
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i cant just swim swim swim swim swim..
once in awhile is okay... but...
everyday?
adei....
gym is better.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 3 2010, 02:26 AM)
I have sex for relaxation.

On a side note, bodybuilding isn't just going to the gym. Hence the famous equation:-
Bodybuilding = recovery = bodybuilding
Recovery = proper nutrition, proper nutrient timing and adequate recuperation.
No one gets bigger in the gym, they get bigger outside the gym.
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i think there's a famous quote by an ifbb pro on this
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realise that my chest is becoming triangle shape
and learnt that it means not enuf strength / training.

how to turn it into squarish shape? what sorta training should i do?

cheers
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Genetics. Or just lift weights... presses, flyes, crossovers.
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how to turn it into squarish shape? what sorta training should i do?

cheers
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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 3 2010, 01:21 PM)
realise that my chest is becoming triangle shape
and learnt that it means not enuf strength / training.

how to turn it into squarish shape? what sorta training should i do?

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 3 2010, 02:03 PM)
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anyone wana try this? seems easy to make~

oats pie - eggs and oats is what you need tongue.gif

can add honey, nuts, ham or whatever u like lol



Here is the calorie breakdown (copied from the video comments)

oats= 300 cals
egg whites= 85 cals
whole egg=75 cals
Total=460 total calories
Protein= approx 40 grams
Carbs= approx 55 grams

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Seems simple enough. Might try it one of these days.

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QUOTE(chicaman @ May 3 2010, 08:42 PM)
anyone wana try this? seems easy to make~

oats pie - eggs and oats is what you need tongue.gif

can add honey, nuts, ham or whatever u like lol



Here is the calorie breakdown (copied from the video comments)

oats= 300 cals
egg whites= 85 cals
whole egg=75 cals
Total=460 total calories
Protein= approx 40 grams
Carbs= approx 55 grams
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looks like lempeng to me. huhuh. look at how he separate white form yellow. he make it look so easy.
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Add hams and put layer of cheese on top, sounds like a pizza aeh?
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Add hams and put layer of cheese on top, sounds like a pizza aeh?
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pizza deadlift. cuz u add hams.

i know ill b flamed for replying this.sorry.

neways just to be on topic, how bad is eating egg yolk if u eat 5-10 whole eggs a day?
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 3 2010, 02:26 AM)
I have sex for relaxation.

No one gets bigger in the gym, they get bigger outside the gym.
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why is your statement in the last sentence?


Added on May 3, 2010, 10:53 pmPut on weight, 1.5kg in 2 days, now weighting 70kg due to eat like a pig in pg during the holiday
dono w/r should happy or sad :$

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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 3 2010, 10:49 PM)
why is your statement in the last sentence?


Added on May 3, 2010, 10:53 pmPut on weight, 1.5kg in 2 days, now weighting 70kg due to eat like a pig in pg during the holiday
dono w/r should happy or sad :$
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I don't see how weighting yourself everyday would help. If you don't eat like that consistently, that 1.5kgs of yours could dissapear in no time.
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Prolly water weight. In the gym you breakdown muscle, when you rest and eat you build new muscle. So to speak.
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QUOTE(John91 @ May 3 2010, 11:36 PM)
Prolly water weight. In the gym you breakdown muscle, when you rest and eat you build new muscle. So to speak.
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this is the "pump" effect that u mentioned rite?
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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 3 2010, 11:55 PM)
this is the "pump" effect that u mentioned rite?
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i dont think thats the pump he is referring to.

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this is the "pump" effect that u mentioned rite?
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When you go to gym and do lets say bicep curls, don't you feel your biceps filled with blood and your skin feels so tight like your muscles gonna rip the skin apart anytime and the vascularity starts popping out? Thats the pump.

"Muscle growth will also result from the fascial stretching that occurs when the muscle is pumped beyond its normal size. When this fascial layer (which can be found between the skin and the muscle) is stretched, room for continued muscle growth is made available.

Over time, the pump will also create a greater number of capillaries (tiny blood vessels), which will, in turn, provide the muscles with more nutrients and oxygen and allow for larger pumps and more growth in the long term."

Source from:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson161.htm

On the other hand, the 1.5kg you gained probably isn't muscle weight, should be water retention, or maybe fat. 1.5kg muscle doesn't come in 2 days.
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it comes in months of training
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hi can i ask which 1 whould u guys recommend me to take? Optimum Nutrition 100% whey gold standard or dymatize elite whey? i did some research ppl say dymatize elite whey is better? i'm still a very fresh in all the supplement. hopefully can learn something from u guys. thanks! Cheers!~
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QUOTE(eekang @ May 4 2010, 10:20 AM)
hi can i ask which 1 whould u guys recommend me to take? Optimum Nutrition 100% whey gold standard or dymatize elite whey? i did some research ppl say dymatize elite whey is better? i'm still a very fresh in all the supplement. hopefully can learn something from u guys. thanks! Cheers!~
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Er.. both has similar content. For this go for taste if u want to compare.

Majority vote for best tasting for dymatize WE would be toffee i guess.
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QUOTE(John91 @ May 4 2010, 12:17 AM)
When you go to gym and do lets say bicep curls, don't you feel your biceps filled with blood and your skin feels so tight like your muscles gonna rip the skin apart anytime and the vascularity starts popping out? Thats the pump.

On the other hand, the 1.5kg you gained probably isn't muscle weight, should be water retention, or maybe fat. 1.5kg muscle doesn't come in 2 days.
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I will try to see if i feel the pump effect today and will read the art tonight.

btw what i was complaining for the increment was referring to fat and not other things :$

I will work hard for the muscle.. smile.gif

thanks johnnie smile.gif


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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 4 2010, 11:30 AM)
I will try to see if i feel the pump effect today and will read the art tonight.

btw what i was complaining for the increment was referring to fat and not other things :$

I will work hard for the muscle.. smile.gif

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[quote=jamis,May 4 2010, 10:45 AM]
Er.. both has similar content. For this go for taste if u want to compare.

Majority vote for best tasting for dymatize WE would be toffee i guess.
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hmm mean u say tat ON and WE is almost the same? but jsut the taste? u take WE? which taste is the best? btw, WE is abit expensive compare to ON rite? smile.gif
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Johnie???
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yea wats with smiles and 'johnnie'.
it's good being nice but... (unless he's a she)

anyway de.crystal, regarding the question about 'pump', this comes with experience, once u have the muscles, u shall know...
and sometimes it's hard to understand your english too

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oh i din know u have a gaydar, hmm meaning to say u are one  brows.gif
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ May 4 2010, 11:44 AM)
yea wats with smiles and 'johnnie'.
it's good being nice but... (unless he's a she)

anyway de.crystal, regarding the question about 'pump', this comes with experience, once u have the muscles, u shall know...
and sometimes it's hard to understand your english too
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PUMP!
actually, even if you're not a bodybuilder, try running, you can feel the pump on your calves and hips/hems, but not that significant, sometimes not noticable.
its because of the muscle size / volume of blood flowing thru the muscle which is diff when u have big muscle / mass.

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QUOTE(jamis @ May 4 2010, 10:45 AM)

Er.. both has similar content. For this go for taste if u want to compare.

Majority vote for best tasting for dymatize WE would be toffee i guess.
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hmm mean u say tat ON and WE is almost the same? but jsut the taste? u take WE? which taste is the best? btw, WE is abit expensive compare to ON rite? smile.gif
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No idea on WE, but i gona try it soon thou. smile.gif

U can always try and tell us hows ur review XD
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ May 4 2010, 01:31 PM)
think we r out of topic... it soon bcomes a war of who's gay-er

QUOTE(angrydog @ May 4 2010, 02:20 PM)
I don't know anything about who's gay in this thread, but I can definitely tell you who's being really stupid.

That's why I love BB threads.
Testosterone and ego has a tendency to turn it into a kopitiam thread once in a while. It's like a commercial break between TV shows. LOL! thumbup.gif
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That's why I love BB threads.
Testosterone and ego has a tendency to turn it into a kopitiam thread once in a while. It's like a commercial break between TV shows. LOL! thumbup.gif
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hi can i ask which 1 whould u guys recommend me to take? Optimum Nutrition 100% whey gold standard or dymatize elite whey? i did some research ppl say dymatize elite whey is better? i'm still a very fresh in all the supplement. hopefully can learn something from u guys. thanks! Cheers!~
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 4 2010, 04:10 PM)
Of course. It's more interesting than the powerlifting thread. There's no ego there because there's nothing to boast about in there really. Ahh... here, all the testosterone, drama, etc.


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No, it's all to do with your training and diet. How much do you actually read? Do you actually read the articles which the regs have so nicely pointed you to or do you actually pretend to read them?
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Lol dunno about you 2 but I admire your patience. =P
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haha... i thought u all wanna help them. =.=
kakaka... now blood boiling de.
muahaha... it happens way too often.
oh well, cant be helped...
screw this person, then another person comes.
hahaha...
I respect teachers at times, they teach then the student leave, another bunch of idiots come to learn who knows nothing.
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QUOTE(JonYeap @ May 4 2010, 07:04 PM)
haha... i thought u all wanna help them. =.=
kakaka... now blood boiling de.
muahaha... it happens way too often.
oh well, cant be helped...
screw this person, then another person comes.
hahaha...
I respect teachers at times, they teach then the student leave, another bunch of idiots come to learn who knows nothing.
have to start teaching all over again. hahaha
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as no matter how teruk i got screwed, i am still here, rather "i will be back" flex.gif
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 4 2010, 04:10 PM)
Of course. It's more interesting than the powerlifting thread. There's no ego there because there's nothing to boast about in there really. Ahh... here, all the testosterone, drama, etc.


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No, it's all to do with your training and diet. How much do you actually read? Do you actually read the articles which the regs have so nicely pointed you to or do you actually pretend to read them?
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bro, relax... i think u got me wrong, my research are base on those sellers. i ask this question to double comfirm. about the articles i will read it soon. btw, how to even pretend to read. hmm.gif . anyway stay cool! flex.gif i'm sorry if the question i asked make some mass. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(JonYeap @ May 4 2010, 07:04 PM)
haha... i thought u all wanna help them. =.=
kakaka... now blood boiling de.
muahaha... it happens way too often.
oh well, cant be helped...
screw this person, then another person comes.
hahaha...
I respect teachers at times, they teach then the student leave, another bunch of idiots come to learn who knows nothing.
have to start teaching all over again. hahaha
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It aint about screwing them. We're quite a helpful bunch here. its just that sometimes they dont bother to help themselves first.
They just think "its faster if i just ask". Sometimes even pointing them to the right direction they still dun bother to read, thats when it gets annoying.
but if they do read up, then its all great. its always nice to help another person smile.gif

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It aint about screwing them. We're quite a helpful bunch here. its just that sometimes they dont bother to help themselves first.
They just think "its faster if i just ask". Sometimes even pointing them to the right direction they still dun bother to read, thats when it gets annoying.
but if they do read up, then its all great. its always nice to help another person smile.gif

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Added on May 5, 2010, 9:38 amOn a seperate note, I have been really working out hard recently (altho i still lepak in the gym). I realise that my heart beat is really fast especially when I do lifting, starting 2nd set and getting faster till completion. I know I am in the right track (subject to other sifu's comment) i like the feeling smile.gif

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Hi guys,

I would need your suggestions in improving my routines/diets.

My goal : to build body something like jason statham, not too big not too small.

My daily meals/routines:

Morning 7.00 >On the way to Gym > drink 1 scoop of whey
7.30 > Reached Gym > 3 caps of lipo black
9.00 > post workout > 1 scoop of whey

Lunch > 12> ¼ rice + meats + veges


Dinner > It’s the same as lunch.


So guys, do comment of this so that I can improve myself.





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Hi guys,

I would need your suggestions in improving my routines/diets.

My goal : to build body something like jason statham, not too big not too small.

My daily meals/routines:

Morning 7.00 >On the way to Gym > drink 1 scoop of whey
7.30 > Reached Gym > 3 caps of lipo black
9.00 > post workout > 1 scoop of whey

Lunch > 12> ¼ rice + meats + veges
Dinner > It’s the same as lunch.
So guys, do comment of this so that I can improve myself.
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you eat too little. if you even want to come close to any good looking guy's body ur gonna have to eat at least 5-6 proper meals a day. eat healthy food sources like nuts,eggs,meat,oats for snacks.

just for the record if you eat a lot and train hard you do NOT get big like the hulk. you'll gain muscles SLOWLY. itll take time, if ur going to be afraid to eat too much then u may take up to 1 year or more but if you're not you can even achieve your goal within 6 months. u have to commit at least longer than 3 months with discpline. it isnt something that happens overnight. also depends on your current size. and currently whats your bodyweight and height?
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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ May 5 2010, 10:49 AM)
you eat too little. if you even want to come close to any good looking guy's body ur gonna have to eat at least 5-6 proper meals a day. eat healthy food sources like nuts,eggs,meat,oats for snacks.

just for the record if you eat a lot and train hard you do NOT get big like the hulk. you'll gain muscles SLOWLY. itll take time, if ur going to be afraid to eat too much then u may take up to 1 year or more but if you're not you can even achieve your goal within 6 months. u have to commit at least longer than 3 months with discpline. it isnt something that happens overnight. also depends on your current size. and currently whats your bodyweight and height?
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Hi cheeze,

Thanks for a fast reply.
I currenrtly 87kg , 180cm
And i did "in body" in gym, total additional 11% fats. Thats the reason i take lipo.

Eating nuts?Like cap tangan kacang can?


Added on May 5, 2010, 11:08 amI found this source on nuts : http://www.weightlossforall.com/protein-nuts.htm

The fats is like double up the protein.. Im afraid after eating not gaining muscle but gaining fats.

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Hi cheeze,

Thanks for a fast reply.
I currenrtly 87kg , 180cm
And i did "in body" in gym, total additional 11% fats. Thats the reason i take lipo.

Eating nuts?Like cap tangan kacang can?
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ok so u basically wana cut n gain muscles. try to reduce your carb intake first. no, try to get almonds or walnuts. if really cannot then only buy those tong garden cashew nuts or peanuts. you should make sure u eat at least 1-1.2g of protein per pound of bodyweight. 1kg = 2.2 pound. do the math. try to eat more eggs and meat.

the only time you should eat rice/carbs is before and after workout. before to give u the energy. after to feed your body cuz it is dam hungry it will burn whatever u give it. if u dont give it, it will look for other sources ie your muscle glycogen.. u dont want that.. your meal should look like this, if you're busy.

bfast - whey shake + 3-5 eggs and mebe 1-2 slices of bread
snack - almonds/oats/eggs/tuna sandwich (whatever is convenient for you)
lunch - mix rice, less rice or no rice, more vege, even more meat/egg. should be 0.5:1:2 ratio
pre workout - sandwich or something with protein
post workout - mix rice, same as above but ratio can be 1:0.5:2
dinner - vege and meat
supper/pre bed - oats + eggs

something like that. just try to achieve the protein amount u need. but dont go hungry, and only eat carbs before and after workout. about your lipo 6, i dono cuz i don take lol. u can ask the other sifus though. im sure they have experience.

EDIT: those fats are not the fats on your belly ._. plant fat is good fat. and so is fish oil fat. u only get fat when u eat too much in 1 single meal then your body will tend to store it as fat. thats why, keep away from carbs and that way u teach your body to rely on protein and fat. most diet plans will tell u the same thing.

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ok so u basically wana cut n gain muscles. try to reduce your carb intake first. no, try to get almonds or walnuts. if really cannot then only buy those tong garden cashew nuts or peanuts. you should make sure u eat at least 1-1.2g of protein per pound of bodyweight. 1kg = 2.2 pound. do the math. try to eat more eggs and meat.

the only time you should eat rice/carbs is before and after workout. before to give u the energy. after to feed your body cuz it is dam hungry it will burn whatever u give it. if u dont give it, it will look for other sources ie your muscle glycogen.. u dont want that.. your meal should look like this, if you're busy.

bfast - whey shake + 3-5 eggs and mebe 1-2 slices of bread
snack - almonds/oats/eggs/tuna sandwich (whatever is convenient for you)
lunch - mix rice, less rice or no rice, more vege, even more meat/egg. should be 0.5:1:2 ratio
pre workout - sandwich or something with protein
post workout - mix rice, same as above but ratio can be 1:0.5:2
dinner - vege and meat
supper/pre bed - oats + eggs

something like that. just try to achieve the protein amount u need. but dont go hungry, and only eat carbs before and after workout. about your lipo 6, i dono cuz i don take lol. u can ask the other sifus though. im sure they have experience.
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Thanks again for such valuable knowledge. I get what u mean.
but usually i workout early in the morning (7am). So i will be fasting before to gym, just a scoop of whey (pre workout). its okey rite? If i add some eggsin, im afraid my stomache will not be comfortable. I usually will straight head to treadmill 1st before doing weight.
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Thanks again for such valuable knowledge. I get what u mean.
but usually i workout early in the morning (7am). So i will be fasting before to gym, just a scoop of whey (pre workout). its okey rite? If i add some eggsin, im afraid my stomache will not be comfortable. I usually will straight head to treadmill 1st before doing weight.
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try not to fast before gym. the body absorbs protein the best after workout and right when you wake up. you may want to wake up earlier abit. or try to take half boil eggs cuz u can 'drink' them down biggrin.gif thats what i do. take liquid protein in the morning. if don have time, take meal replacement shakes. sometimes i take, but only when i really don have time. yeah hit the mill first, remember to increase resistance every time u do cardio. start light for about 5 mins to warm up then 10-15 mins with resistance.

your body gets stronger after every exercise, and faster everytime u run, so ur resistance must increase (even if its just a small increment) if ur gona sweat.
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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ May 5 2010, 11:23 AM)
try not to fast before gym. the body absorbs protein the best after workout and right when you wake up. you may want to wake up earlier abit. or try to take half boil eggs cuz u can 'drink' them down biggrin.gif thats what i do. take liquid protein in the morning. if don have time, take meal replacement shakes. sometimes i take, but only when i really don have time. yeah hit the mill first, remember to increase resistance every time u do cardio. start light for about 5 mins to warm up then 10-15 mins with resistance.

your body gets stronger after every exercise, and faster everytime u run, so ur resistance must increase (even if its just a small increment) if ur gona sweat.
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Take whey cant replace eggs in the morning? i think whey is easily digest compare to eggs.
Saying on treadmill, i was wondering whether running constant speed of 8 or increase the radient to 15% (max) is better to burn fats? Coz when i compare the calories burn, radient 15% is much higher calories burnt (with constant 15mins non stop on treadmill).

And also, how many scoop of whey is suggestable to take post workout?

Thanks cheezee.
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QUOTE(looneytunes @ May 5 2010, 11:29 AM)
Take whey cant replace eggs in the morning? i think whey is easily digest compare to eggs.
Saying on treadmill, i was wondering whether running constant speed of 8 or increase the radient to 15% (max) is better to burn fats? Coz when i compare the calories burn, radient 15% is much higher calories burnt (with constant 15mins non stop on treadmill).

And also, how many scoop of whey is suggestable to take post workout?

Thanks cheezee.
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can also but whole protein is always better haha.whey is fine as well.

for more fats burnt, google HIIT. its a method of cardio. saves time. burns more fats, but recommended to be paired with weight training/lifting. if not sure how to do HIIT ask the pros here they can give u example.

erm how many scp of whey is up to u. but at least 1 scoop la. rmb u need to eat more protein than carbs. try to achieve your protein goal. lets say 180g protein divide by 6 meals = 30g of protein per meal. some meals can have more ie post workout 40-50g of protein. or breakfast as well. cuz snacks its usually harder to get protein, thats usually my problem.
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there's no specific rule for how much whey u should take pre or post workout. basic rule is to spread the protein intake. but usually i take 2 scoops in the morning, 2 pre- and another 2 post w/o
do not depend solely on whey for protein. solid food is important too. cut carbo if you do not want to gain fat.
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looneytunes. You can add some carb with your whey for pre workout. No sugar or the sugar content is less than 15% of carb calories. After workout can eat rice and protein ..
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is it ok to take chicken as protein through fried? my workplace only sell them fried and i would eat at least 2 for lunch with meehon for lower carbs...
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QUOTE(Dickson91 @ May 5 2010, 01:56 PM)
is it ok to take chicken as protein through fried? my workplace only sell them fried and i would eat at least 2 for lunch with meehon for lower carbs...
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is it ok to take chicken as protein through fried? my workplace only sell them fried and i would eat at least 2 for lunch with meehon for lower carbs...
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A BUCKET OF KFC A DAY.

(seriously though, fried chicken is fine as a protein source, if oil/fat content isn't your main concern)
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Well, take off the damn skin I guess.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 5 2010, 02:25 PM)
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Nowadays i m using Coconut oil to pan fry my chicken, seems like has better smoke lvl biggrin.gif
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500Gram of whey can last how long for you guys?
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bro u plan to buy only 500g only meh hahha.depends on serving size. diff brand diff serving size.at minimum whey sud b taken 1 scp a day, either breakfast or post workout. bata's ON whey is rm180 for 80 scoop, scivation is slightly cheaper i think. rm 290 for 160 scoop. not sure.

http://www.fitnutritions.com/index.php?mai...809c9c44624957e

but out of stock now gua. may wanna buy tho biggrin.gif saving up for it.
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10lbs of whey lasts me about 2 months.

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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ May 5 2010, 05:27 PM)
bro u plan to buy only 500g only meh hahha.depends on serving size. diff brand diff serving size.at minimum whey sud b taken 1 scp a day, either breakfast or post workout. bata's ON whey is rm180 for 80 scoop, scivation is slightly cheaper i think. rm 290 for 160 scoop. not sure.

http://www.fitnutritions.com/index.php?mai...809c9c44624957e

but out of stock now gua. may wanna buy tho biggrin.gif saving up for it.
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oh lol, i not sure though cause never buy before, i tot 500g is a lot XD

if post workout~ then 1 week 3 times, then 1 month 12-15 times.

160scope can last a year? lol cool!

QUOTE(-Dan @ May 5 2010, 05:42 PM)
10lbs of whey lasts me about 2 months.
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QUOTE(chicaman @ May 5 2010, 06:13 PM)
oh lol, i not sure though cause never buy before, i tot 500g is a lot XD

if post workout~ then 1 week 3 times, then 1 month 12-15 times.

160scope can last a year? lol cool!
how much is 10lb o.O?
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500g? are you looking at Horleys?

please don't waste your money on Horleys, it is supidly overpriced.

500g, if lets say each serving is 25-30g would only be 16-20 servs.

Go for 5lbs tubs for starters, and 10lbs once you decide fitness is the thing for you and not just a phase.
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+1 for what tineagle said.

ON whey rm180 for 80 scoops, about rm2.25 per scoop.

u take whey everyday. on days without workout u can take for breakfast. the best time to take it is after workout and right after u wake up.

i feel scivation is easy on the pocket if u take 1 scp per day, or even if u dont. if u really can commit, take 10lbs, but try to have a steady diet for about 1-2 weeks first, then get whey to supplement your protein intake. keep at it for 3mths or so n u sud see results biggrin.gif
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usually i dun count how much it is per serving.
it's expensive and ur mind would ask u not to drink too much.
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10lbs of whey lasts me about 2 months.
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That long? Damn... I was thinking of fixing an IV line to my veins and infusing whey 24/7. Then a catheter so i don't have to constantly take a piss in the washroom.
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That long? Damn... I was thinking of fixing an IV line to my veins and infusing whey 24/7. Then a catheter so i don't have to constantly take a piss in the washroom.
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Conversely I take no shakes per day, unless you count my home-made milkshakes.
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Conversely I take no shakes per day, unless you count my home-made milkshakes.
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Ice blended raw chicken.
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Ice blended raw chicken.
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Gross.

I usually just throw the following into my little Magic Bullet and blend:
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Gross.

I usually just throw the following into my little Magic Bullet and blend:
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- 1-2 tablespoons of Hershey's chocolate syrup
- 2 tablespoons of peanut butter
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My God, that sounds yummy. You take how many of these per day?
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Eh, 1-3? It depends on how hot the weather is, honestly.

Maybe someone should start a recipes thread on here. Then we can all masak-masak.
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Eh, 1-3?  It depends on how hot the weather is, honestly.

Maybe someone should start a recipes thread on here.  Then we can all masak-masak.
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Good idea, i second tat.

About the ice blended raw chicken is actually i saw a japanese bodybuilder did tat on utube and i cant forget about the scene he gulp down the whole freaking juice. ><
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I've eaten raw chicken by accident. It's not as gross as you think.
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Raw chicken is so ewww~


Yeah we really need a thread about recipes so that we can share some healthy and nutritious cooking tips biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(chicaman @ May 5 2010, 08:59 PM)
Raw chicken is so ewww~
Yeah we really need a thread about recipes so that we can share some healthy and nutritious cooking tips biggrin.gif
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Gross.

I usually just throw the following into my little Magic Bullet and blend:
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Where the heck do you get psyllium husks? Can't find them anywhere.
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Where the heck do you get psyllium husks? Can't find them anywhere.
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Then whats this??
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didnt notice that

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QUOTE(jamis @ May 5 2010, 08:57 PM)
Good idea, i second tat.

About the ice blended raw chicken is actually i saw a japanese bodybuilder did tat on utube and i cant forget about the scene he gulp down the whole freaking juice. ><

Kena E. coli dan mampus baru tau.
Anyway, cooked meat has better protein absorption. Raw meat takes too much energy digesting, it's pointless if you're in for the protein.
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ May 5 2010, 11:08 PM)
Kena E. coli dan mampus baru tau.
Anyway, cooked meat has better protein absorption. Raw meat takes too much energy digesting, it's pointless if you're in for the protein.
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QUOTE(angrydog @ May 5 2010, 08:49 PM)
Gross.

I usually just throw the following into my little Magic Bullet and blend:
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been thinking bout buying a blender.
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sifu outside, do u guys do sauna or steam?
wondering if it would help to reduce bf

cheers
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sifu outside, do u guys do sauna or steam?
wondering if it would help to reduce bf

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Yes it does. You need to stay in there for 5 hours everyday. And posting less on H & F helps burn your bodyfat too. Try iy.
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Yes it does. You need to stay in there for 5 hours everyday. And posting less on H & F helps burn your bodyfat too. Try iy.
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5 hrs? u gota be jk me!
i only stay for 5 mins then rest do that twice per day. I only do it the alternate day.

Wont it break the fat cell so that easier to loose d bf?

hmm
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5 hrs? u gota be jk me!
i only stay for 5 mins then rest do that twice per day.  I only do it the alternate day.

Wont it break the fat cell so that easier to loose d bf?

hmm
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Just do it everyday. 5 hours. Even if everyone is laughing at you, keep at it. And you should do it during peak hours of LYN when most of the H & F regs post.
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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 5 2010, 11:51 PM)
5 hrs? u gota be jk me!
i only stay for 5 mins then rest do that twice per day.  I only do it the alternate day.

Wont it break the fat cell so that easier to loose d bf?

hmm
Yes, he is jk with you.
Stick around more often you'll eventually learn to appreciate darklight's humour. LOL!

The steam room is just a nice place to relax lah. Benefits for fat loss is marginal at best.
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ May 6 2010, 01:23 AM)
Yes, he is jk with you.
Stick around more often you'll eventually learn to appreciate darklight's humour. LOL!

The steam room is just a nice place to relax lah. Benefits for fat loss is marginal at best.
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I wasn't joking. =(
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ May 6 2010, 01:23 AM)
Yes, he is jk with you.
Stick around more often you'll eventually learn to appreciate darklight's humour. LOL!

The steam room is just a nice place to relax lah. Benefits for fat loss is marginal at best.
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He's not joking. and i agree... he should do 2 hours of cardio, 2 hours of weights, and 5 hours of sauna. and make sure he gets 12 hours of sleep for maximal recovery. remaining 3 hours shd be travelling, shower and preparing food to eat and eating.
he can look like rain after that. he shdnt waste time posting in LYN.
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QUOTE(Neek @ May 6 2010, 01:30 AM)
He's not joking. and i agree... he should do 2 hours of cardio, 2 hours of weights, and 5 hours of sauna. and make sure he gets 12 hours of sleep for maximal recovery. remaining 3 hours shd be travelling, shower and preparing food to eat and eating.
he can look like rain after that. he shdnt waste time posting in LYN.
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LOL! You sound really annoyed.
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no he is not.
he is real honest and calm.
gosh... he is so cool. hahhaha
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5 hrs? u gota be jk me!
i only stay for 5 mins then rest do that twice per day.  I only do it the alternate day.

Wont it break the fat cell so that easier to loose d bf?

hmm
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please dont do that. u wanna boil your testicles ka


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please dont do that. u wanna boil your testicles ka
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who r u refeering to?
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he is referring to me
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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 6 2010, 10:02 AM)
he is referring to me
anyhow, i think i have a right to speech/post, where and when I feel to post alth my posts may sound silly to you all, but that's my right.
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Lol, yay! yay! you got the right to post it. i've ALOT of fun by reading your post. A Day A de.crystal's post, keep the doctor away. lol

ok, enough joke. the problem is you never willing to gain the knowledge by reading more! we pointed the direction to you. but you just...zz

"ahhh i read i read". but why you will ask those question?
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Overheard at the gym:

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The things you hear in the gym...
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ok, enough joke. the problem is you never willing to gain the knowledge by reading more! we pointed the direction to you. but you just...zz

"ahhh i read i read". but why you will ask those question?
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this time i asked about sauna and steam room
it was never discussed previously before
and i genuine thought that it could break our "fat cell" therefore facilitating the fat loss when working out.

Cz i have met someone in the sauna room, who told me that those competitor would spend at least 1 hr in the sauna room 1 hour prior to the competition to maintain their low bf. but this is not good as their skin would be dry out.

hence, i asked if 5 mins is sufficient, if not the recommended time.

If it doesnt help, I will not force myself to go into the "stuffy" room and would just spend the time in doing proper lifting.






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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 6 2010, 10:26 AM)
this time i asked about sauna and steam room
it was never discussed previously before
and i genuine thought that it could break our "fat cell" therefore facilitating the fat loss when working out.

Cz i have met someone in the sauna room, who told me that those competitor would spend at least 1 hr in the sauna room 1 hour prior to the competition to maintain their low bf.  but this is not good as their skin would be dry out.

hence, i asked if 5 mins is sufficient, if not the recommended time. 

If it doesnt help, I will not force myself to go into the "stuffy" room and would just spend the time in doing proper lifting.
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i think you have answered your own question.
when u go sauna and steam room, you sweat right? and when you sweat you lose water from your body right.
ppl who are competing have to lose water from body so tat the body doesn't look bloated, thus covering up the muscles, especially the 6 paks. i dun think fat is being burned anyhow, if it is, it's very minimal.
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QUOTE(mcbarney666 @ May 6 2010, 10:24 AM)
Overheard at the gym:

Trainer: You know how to use dumbbell?
Client: Can can.
Trainer then shows client how to do one-arm rows.
Trainer: Ah, you are wrong. You have bad form. That's why you must do machine first. Machines are better for isolation. Machines should be done first because you have no balance therefore do machines first.
Client: Ok let's go.

Said trainer was about as built as my 14-year-old cousin. My female cousin. Who has bigger, toned calves than him.

The things you hear in the gym...
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Mind enlightening whats wrong with the conversation? smile.gif
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Mind enlightening whats wrong with the conversation? smile.gif
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can i try? It is advisable to do free weight cz it would be able to train most part of our muscle as compared to smith machine or other machines, wherein only certain parts are trained. flex.gif


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i think you have answered your own question.
when u go sauna and steam room, you sweat right? and when you sweat you lose water from your body right.
ppl who are competing have to lose water from body so tat the body doesn't look bloated, thus covering up the muscles, especially the 6 paks. i dun think fat is being burned anyhow, if it is, it's very minimal.
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now i know it is to control or to get rid of water retention.

thanks.

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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 6 2010, 10:47 AM)
can i try?  It is advisable to do free weight cz it would be able to train most part of our muscle as compared to smith machine or other machines, wherein only certain parts are trained.  flex.gif
Of course, if you know what you're doing. They both hv different purposes.



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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 6 2010, 10:02 AM)
he is referring to me
anyhow, i think i have a right to speech/post, where and when I feel to post alth my posts may sound silly to you all, but that's my right.
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Exactly. You have the right, only after 5 hours in the sauna.

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Overheard at the gym:

Trainer: You know how to use dumbbell?
Client: Can can.
Trainer then shows client how to do one-arm rows.
Trainer: Ah, you are wrong. You have bad form. That's why you must do machine first. Machines are better for isolation. Machines should be done first because you have no balance therefore do machines first.
Client: Ok let's go.

Said trainer was about as built as my 14-year-old cousin. My female cousin. Who has bigger, toned calves than him.

The things you hear in the gym...
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Training on a guest stint, I've seen a lot of dumb ass PTs but I've met a lot of good ones too. My perception of them have improved somewhat but the bad ones are still getting on my nerves.

QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 6 2010, 10:26 AM)
this time i asked about sauna and steam room
it was never discussed previously before
and i genuine thought that it could break our "fat cell" therefore facilitating the fat loss when working out.

Cz i have met someone in the sauna room, who told me that those competitor would spend at least 1 hr in the sauna room 1 hour prior to the competition to maintain their low bf.  but this is not good as their skin would be dry out.

hence, i asked if 5 mins is sufficient, if not the recommended time. 

If it doesnt help, I will not force myself to go into the "stuffy" room and would just spend the time in doing proper lifting.
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Remember. 5 hours.

QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 6 2010, 10:47 AM)
can i try?  It is advisable to do free weight cz it would be able to train most part of our muscle as compared to smith machine or other machines, wherein only certain parts are trained.  flex.gif


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now i know it is to control or to get rid of water retention.

thanks.
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No.

And 5 hours minimum needed to get rid of water retention.
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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 6 2010, 10:02 AM)
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Yeah you can post. no problem. Just that you will look less like Rain.
And Darklight is a pro here. you shd seriously listen to his advice.
I progressed alot thx to him too!
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Yeah you can post. no problem. Just that you will look less like Rain.
And Darklight is a pro here. you shd seriously listen to his advice.
I progressed alot thx to him too!
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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 6 2010, 01:55 PM)
thanks for the support.
i wil and i am doing.. smile.gif
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Cool. dun forget the 5 hours daily sauna.  smile.gif
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enough with the myths just train eat and sleep. seriously.

dont be a victim of the unholy trinity : overthink, undereat and under-recover.

if train eat and sleep isnt working u need to re evaluate, starting from eating. then sleeping and training. u mess up any of those u will not gain/lose weight.
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Hey guys. Can you all advice me how to speed up recovery?
I play chest on Monday, still feeling the sore today.


Added on May 6, 2010, 3:04 pmHey guys. Can you all advice me how to speed up recovery?
I play chest on Monday, still feeling the sore today.


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Dude, where'd you get the magic bullet blender? in KL? order online?
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QUOTE(Neek @ May 6 2010, 01:30 AM)
He's not joking. and i agree... he should do 2 hours of cardio, 2 hours of weights, and 5 hours of sauna. and make sure he gets 12 hours of sleep for maximal recovery. remaining 3 hours shd be travelling, shower and preparing food to eat and eating.
he can look like rain after that. he shdnt waste time posting in LYN.
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RAIN? hahahhahaha


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Hey guys. Can you all advice me how to speed up recovery?
I play chest on Monday, still feeling the sore today.


Added on May 6, 2010, 3:04 pmHey guys. Can you all advice me how to speed up recovery?
I play chest on Monday, still feeling the sore today.
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Sleep at least 8 hours a day, take enough nutritions.
thats it.


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RAIN? hahahhahaha


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Sleep at least 8 hours a day, take enough nutritions.
thats it.
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Thanks Reon. but 8 hour one shot, maybe difficult to me. I'll try.
mostly i slep 6 hour at nite.
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QUOTE(arekey @ May 6 2010, 03:14 PM)
Thanks Reon. but 8 hour one shot, maybe difficult to me. I'll try.
mostly i slep 6 hour at nite.
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some ppl need 8 sum need 6 sum need 10.. it differs. sometimes u sleep how well nx day wake up still DOMS.

just eat right. chances are its got to do with your diet.
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I get 2-4 hours of sleep a night, and I'm not quite skeletal yet (thankfully).
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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ May 6 2010, 04:17 PM)
some ppl need 8 sum need 6 sum need 10.. it differs. sometimes u sleep how well nx day wake up still DOMS.

just eat right. chances are its got to do with your diet.
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I didn't change my diet. only increase my poundage after taking 1 week off season.
does it mean i have to eat more?
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QUOTE(arekey @ May 6 2010, 03:23 PM)
I didn't change my diet. only increase my poundage after taking 1 week off season.
does it mean i have to eat more?
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erm. technically yeah u should eat more. lift heavier, more muscles, therefore more calories needed to maintain, yeap. u need to eat more
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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ May 6 2010, 03:17 PM)
some ppl need 8 sum need 6 sum need 10.. it differs. sometimes u sleep how well nx day wake up still DOMS.

just eat right. chances are its got to do with your diet.
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your body recover during ur sleep.


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I get 2-4 hours of sleep a night, and I'm not quite skeletal yet (thankfully).
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dude, 2-4? everyday?
with my work and all i wish i am u.
i get 6 hours a day and i always have problem getting up to work. sigh.

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QUOTE(arekey @ May 6 2010, 03:04 PM)
Hey guys. Can you all advice me how to speed up recovery?
I play chest on Monday, still feeling the sore today.
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i normally just ignor it and continue with my work out plan
but of course, sometimes, too painful then will not complete the whole plan smile.gif

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I get 2-4 hours of sleep a night, and I'm not quite skeletal yet (thankfully).
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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ May 6 2010, 03:27 PM)
your body recover during ur sleep.


Added on May 6, 2010, 3:29 pm

dude, 2-4? everyday?
with my work and all i wish i am u.
i get 6 hours a day and i always have problem getting up to work. sigh.
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yeah but during sleep u need the nutrients for muscle recovery what. primarily it is rest and nutrition.

arekey myofascial foam rolling techniques.. go try.. works to a certain degree.
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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 6 2010, 04:29 PM)
i normally just ignor it and continue with my work out plan
but of course, sometimes, too painful then will not complete the whole plan smile.gif
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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ May 6 2010, 03:27 PM)

dude, 2-4? everyday?
with my work and all i wish i am u.
i get 6 hours a day and i always have problem getting up to work. sigh.
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me having the same problem too sigh

btw heard from news that life wil be shorten if sleep less than 6-7 hrs per day.
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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ May 6 2010, 03:34 PM)
yeah but during sleep u need the nutrients for muscle recovery what. primarily it is rest and nutrition.

arekey myofascial foam rolling techniques.. go try.. works to a certain degree.
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that is why i mentioned sleep and nutrition.

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that is why i mentioned sleep and nutrition.
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http://www.tmuscle.com/article/bodybuildin...h_about_bulking

What do the regs think about this article?
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QUOTE(angrydog @ May 6 2010, 03:07 PM)
It was a present from a friend, I have no idea where she got it from.  I can ask, though.
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THat'll be great! i checked out their website, kinda pricey after adding Del &Handling . 99USD +48USD.
saw the vid on the blender, looks very easy to use and the keep fresh lids would come in handy.

QUOTE(arekey @ May 6 2010, 03:14 PM)
Thanks Reon. but 8 hour one shot, maybe difficult to me. I'll try.
mostly i slep 6 hour at nite.
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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ May 6 2010, 03:17 PM)
some ppl need 8 sum need 6 sum need 10.. it differs. sometimes u sleep how well nx day wake up still DOMS.

just eat right. chances are its got to do with your diet.
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both chezz and reon are right bout the rest and nutrition. one way i found to recover from DOMS faster is to have lots of protein in your diet. DOMS never lasted more than 1 day after that. unless it was a sick leg/back workout.
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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 6 2010, 10:26 AM)
this time i asked about sauna and steam room
it was never discussed previously before
and i genuine thought that it could break our "fat cell" therefore facilitating the fat loss when working out.

Cz i have met someone in the sauna room, who told me that those competitor would spend at least 1 hr in the sauna room 1 hour prior to the competition to maintain their low bf.  but this is not good as their skin would be dry out.

hence, i asked if 5 mins is sufficient, if not the recommended time. 

If it doesnt help, I will not force myself to go into the "stuffy" room and would just spend the time in doing proper lifting.
BB competitions have weight class. They want to loss weight so that they can qualify for certain weight class.
Boxers and fighters do that too. Losing water weight by sweating is the fastest. Nothing to do with maintaining BF or not.

I like steam rooms. I find it soothing after 10-15 min inside.
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Anyway, guys... Be cool, yo.
Kopitiam break!
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QUOTE(Neek @ May 6 2010, 03:49 PM)
THat'll be great! i checked out their website, kinda pricey after adding Del &Handling . 99USD +48USD.
saw the vid on the blender, looks very easy to use and the keep fresh lids would come in handy.
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Uh, it's only USD 55-ish on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Bullet-Express...d/dp/B000AEZVRS). I'll drop her a text and see if she can remember, though.
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ May 6 2010, 03:50 PM)
BB competitions have weight class. They want to loss weight so that they can qualify for certain weight class.
Boxers and fighters do that too. Losing water weight by sweating is the fastest. Nothing to do with maintaining BF or not.

I like steam rooms. I find it soothing after 10-15 min inside.
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Thanks for the explanation.

I feel the same too in the steam rooms but not in the sauna. Feel sick inside the hot sauna room.

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QUOTE(Neek @ May 6 2010, 01:33 PM)
Yeah you can post. no problem. Just that you will look less like Rain.
And Darklight is a pro here. you shd seriously listen to his advice.
I progressed alot thx to him too!
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You progressed because of mostly your own effort. Thanks though.

QUOTE(arekey @ May 6 2010, 03:04 PM)
Hey guys. Can you all advice me how to speed up recovery?
I play chest on Monday, still feeling the sore today.
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PWO nutrition. A lot of people neglect this.

QUOTE(arekey @ May 6 2010, 03:14 PM)
Thanks Reon. but 8 hour one shot, maybe difficult to me. I'll try.
mostly i slep 6 hour at nite.
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I sleep 3-5 hours a day sometimes. I still get stronger.

QUOTE(angrydog @ May 6 2010, 03:22 PM)
I get 2-4 hours of sleep a night, and I'm not quite skeletal yet (thankfully).
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If you think I'm big, wait till you see the others lol. You need to bulk up dude, but its all good, you are better than me when I was 17. Nice early start.
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QUOTE(John91 @ May 6 2010, 08:29 PM)
If you think I'm big, wait till you see the others lol. You need to bulk up dude, but its all good, you are better than me when I was 17. Nice early start.
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Yours would put more stress on the lower back cuz I noticed you were leaning quite forward. But if you weren't it would work your glutes and hams too. My style concentrates more on quads. Well thats better from a bodybuilder's pov cuz you want isolation I assume. Its kinda similar to hack squats.
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Ah, I get it. Thanks again anyway. Are you planning on competing?
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Most prolly not this year. Next year definitely. I'm still trying to put on way more mass. I'll be going to watch Mr KL or Mr Selangor though.
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QUOTE(John91 @ May 6 2010, 09:40 PM)
Most prolly not this year. Next year definitely. I'm still trying to put on way more mass. I'll be going to watch Mr KL or Mr Selangor though.
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ur going for bantamweight?
the pt kat ff maxis jason chan tu competed for mr.perak tahun 200x
his weight pun about 75-80 ke brape tah
and u look better than him
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Juniors got no weight class. Only above and below 70kg.
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QUOTE(John91 @ May 6 2010, 11:30 PM)
Juniors got no weight class. Only above and below 70kg.
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i didnt know that
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I am sad. Gym say cannot Farmers Walk around with dumbbells. It was improving my grip immensely that I was better at lifting everything (even those that didn't specifically require grip strength).

Health hazard he says, and I can respect that.

Besides deadlifting the dumbbells up and gripping it static, any other practical ways to improve grip at the gym?

I've tried dead-hangs on the pullup bar, hammer curls, and just plain gripping the bar at a lighter weight from a deadlift position.

Nothing seems to come close to the satisfaction of Farmers Walk. What's the next most effective method to powerup my grip without buying one of those iron grippers (that cons your money because each increment is a new purchase)

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QUOTE(mofonyx @ May 7 2010, 06:28 AM)
I am sad. Gym say cannot Farmers Walk around with dumbbells. It was improving my grip immensely that I was better at lifting everything (even those that didn't specifically require grip strength).

Health hazard he says, and I can respect that.

Besides deadlifting the dumbbells up and gripping it static, any other practical ways to improve grip at the gym?

I've tried dead-hangs on the pullup bar, hammer curls, and just plain gripping the bar at a lighter weight from a deadlift position.

Nothing seems to come close to the satisfaction of Farmers Walk. What's the next most effective method to powerup my grip without buying one of those iron grippers (that cons your money because each increment is a new purchase)

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I do cardio and workout at gym for alternate days during morning. And every night I will do some light workout like sit up and using the dumbbells. Coz what I know, we need to give our body a rest. So just want to ask will it be harmfull if I do light workout every night for around 30min.
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QUOTE(eekang @ May 7 2010, 02:55 PM)
So just want to ask will it be harmfull if I do light workout every night for around 30min.
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Sure it's fine, if you don't want recovery.
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hey everyone
is having pointy nipples reversible?
im bored wearing my pagoda or singlet in gym cuz my nipple is pointy
its like that since kecik kecik (not due to gyno mind u)

is it reversible???
camni buat bodybuilding or not, sama gak nak bukak shirt depan orang pun malu
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ May 7 2010, 03:27 PM)
hey everyone
is having pointy nipples reversible?
im bored wearing my pagoda or singlet in gym cuz my nipple is pointy
its like that since kecik kecik (not due to gyno mind u)

is it reversible???
camni buat bodybuilding or not, sama gak nak bukak shirt depan orang pun malu
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Wtf?
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ May 7 2010, 04:27 PM)
hey everyone
is having pointy nipples reversible?
im bored wearing my pagoda or singlet in gym cuz my nipple is pointy
its like that since kecik kecik (not due to gyno mind u)

is it reversible???
camni buat bodybuilding or not, sama gak nak bukak shirt depan orang pun malu
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Nope.. I pun ada since small
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why are u so scared of showing nipples ?

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does it have anything to do with fats?? no idea too
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 7 2010, 03:30 PM)
Wtf?
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guy issues bro
not bb related though
but heck boring gile gotta choose right clothes to go gym

QUOTE(Kmaru @ May 7 2010, 03:33 PM)
Nope.. I pun ada since small
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hmm...does it not disturb you?

QUOTE(david890701 @ May 7 2010, 03:39 PM)
why are u so scared of showing nipples ?
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back in uni and hi skool, people tot i was gay or i took too much estrogen la wat la
seriously discouraging

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kmaru got meh?wei, ur chest looks fine to me..not pointy also..
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ May 7 2010, 03:27 PM)
hey everyone
is having pointy nipples reversible?
im bored wearing my pagoda or singlet in gym cuz my nipple is pointy
its like that since kecik kecik (not due to gyno mind u)

is it reversible???
camni buat bodybuilding or not, sama gak nak bukak shirt depan orang pun malu
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dude, terperanjat beruk i tengok ur question.
I also have pointy nipples, dint bother me though. LOL
ntg wrong wat.

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i have very proud nipples.
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Sure it's fine, if you don't want recovery.
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QUOTE(eekang @ May 7 2010, 06:26 PM)
hmm i get u. conclusion, i have 2 shut up and rest for a day. haha  flex.gif
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Lol. Why do you keep forgetting this equation?
Bodybuilding = recovery = bodybuilding


Added on May 7, 2010, 8:41 pmBoom! 90 pound dumbbells x 11 times at Terry's gym.

Going for 95lbs next week. Felt easy.

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Shoulder presses?
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Shoulder presses?
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Yes. Next week a video of me pressing 95 pound dumbbells. That's a promise.
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Awesome.  thumbup.gif
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Weird thing is, i took my last meal at 2.30pm. And i trained a 6pm. Geez.... I'm sure it's the damn aura now.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 7 2010, 09:05 PM)
Weird thing is, i took my last meal at 2.30pm. And i trained a 6pm. Geez.... I'm sure it's the damn aura now.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 7 2010, 09:02 PM)
Yes. Next week a video of me pressing 95 pound dumbbells. That's a promise.
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Skip that,I know you can jump to 100 directly.
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cool..and u can do this without any supplements eh?nice..wats ur pre workout like?
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I've gotta collect me some of that aura and keep in a jar for future use. Heh.
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Lol cannot. It works only when you're there. Or i can ask him to collect his armpit sweat in a jar and give it to you.

QUOTE(pedro @ May 7 2010, 11:08 PM)
Skip that,I know you can jump to 100 directly.
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Maybe.... but I'm not confident yet. My initial first warm up set is still light around 80 pounders. If I can do a warm up set of 85-90lbs, then I'm safe. I'm worried about joint injury. So far no problems yet but I've experienced a rotator cuff injury years ago and it wasn't pleasant. Slow and steady la bro. =)

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cool..and u can do this without any supplements eh?nice..wats ur pre workout like?
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Eggs and oatmeal? Basic breakfast. And who said I don't take supplements? Intra and PWO shake.
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erm which one is a better option

to cut first then bulk

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bulk first then cut

I am 180cm, 72kg, 19% BF (estimated)
thing is I have belly, but shoulder is not wide, or what commonly said as skinny fat. I have gained some muscle particularly in arms and little in chest, but the toning is not obvious due to the fat layer. Now in dilemma on to cut first or bulk further first

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Clean bulk,fat % will go down by itself.
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ May 8 2010, 06:00 AM)
erm which one is a better option

to cut first then bulk

or

bulk first then cut

I am 180cm, 72kg, 19% BF (estimated)
thing is I have belly, but shoulder is not wide, or what commonly said as skinny fat. I have gained some muscle particularly in arms and little in chest, but the toning is not obvious due to the fat layer. Now in dilemma on to cut first or bulk further first
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hmmm... pics?
but i think continue with lifting weights, but watch ur diet(eat clean)
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Skinny fat all over dude. Clean bulking.
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obviously need to bulk up and like john say.
clean bulking. u need lift more weights.
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I am kinda a hard gainer, hard to gain muscle, the fat were accumulated from the past due to sedentary lifestyle

what difference is it between normal bulk and clean bulk?
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I am kinda a hard gainer, hard to gain muscle, the fat were accumulated from the past due to sedentary lifestyle

what difference is it between normal bulk and clean bulk?
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you should say, dirty bulk and clean bulk. normal doesn't quantify anything.

Dirty bulking is basically eating everything you see, fast food, junk, processed food.. etc in the attempts of putting on weight regardless of how much fat you add in the process.

Clean bulking is when you filter your food and eat excess calories with intention to add weight, but keep the food clean (non-fried, whole food, no processed food.. etc) so that you add on quality weight(muscle mass) with as little excess fat as possible.
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hmmm... a simpler way is to consume good fats, and lots of protein, which reducing ur oily food, and carbs.
eat small ratio 5-6 meals a day.
get enough protein
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ May 8 2010, 12:39 PM)
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ May 8 2010, 01:38 PM)
I am kinda a hard gainer, hard to gain muscle, the fat were accumulated from the past due to sedentary lifestyle

what difference is it between normal bulk and clean bulk?
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Boss, you need mass in order to cut. Before one makes a sculpture, he needs plenty of stone correct? It's simple common sense.
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Hi guys. Just a beginner in bodybuilding.
This is my workout routine & hope someone can give me some comment.

Monday:
Dead lift : 3 X 10
Squat : 3 X 10
Bench press : 3 X 10
Barbell Incline Bench press : 3 X 10
Barbell Decline Bench press: 3 X 10
Dumb bell Incline Bench press : 3 X 7
Dumb bell Decline Bench press: 3 X 5

Wednesday:
Barbell curl: 3 X 10
Dumb bell curl : 3 X 10
Hammer curl : 3 X 10
Dumbbell Concentration Curls : 3 X 10

Friday:
Barbell Close Grip Bench Press : 3 X 6
Barbell Triceps extension: 3 X 5
Dumb bell Triceps extension: 3 X 5
Tricep Dumbbell Kick Backs: 3 X 10
Nose breaker/ Skull crusher : 3 X 5
Bench dip : 3 X 5

Sunday:
Barbell Military press: 3 X 5
Barbell Behind Neck Press 3 X 5
and some abs exercise : Sit up & some other which i duno the name
Basketball game for 2 hours

Meals (8am):
Breakfast:
2 hard boiled eggs
4 peanut butter bread
milk with oatmeal

Teatime (10am):
2 roticanai / sandwich / hotdog bread (whatever sold in cafe)

Lunch (1 pm):
Chicken rice or chap fan

Dinner (6pm):
Chap fan or something else from hawker centre

Supper (when hungry):
Bread, HL milk sometime

Currently 19 yrs old, 181 cm & 55 kg.
Walk more than 40 minute per day to & from uni.
Home gymed.

Aim: Gain weight till 65kg & some nice looking but not too bulging muscles






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you are seriously underweight. perhaps u should introduce teabreak around 3pm and have some serious supper as well. and based on ur diet, dun think you have much calories also.
and based on your height, u should b aiming at >70kg!!!

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QUOTE(*FallenAngel* @ May 8 2010, 03:32 PM)
Hi guys. Just a beginner in bodybuilding.
This is my workout routine & hope someone can give me some comment.

Monday:
Dead lift : 3 X 10
Squat : 3 X 10
Bench press : 3 X 10
Barbell Incline Bench press : 3 X 10
Barbell Decline Bench press: 3 X 10
Dumb bell Incline Bench press : 3 X 7
Dumb bell Decline Bench press: 3 X 5

Wednesday:
Barbell curl: 3 X 10
Dumb bell curl : 3 X 10
Hammer curl : 3 X 10
Dumbbell Concentration Curls : 3 X 10

Friday:
Barbell Close Grip Bench Press : 3 X 6
Barbell Triceps extension: 3 X 5
Dumb bell Triceps extension: 3 X 5
Tricep Dumbbell Kick Backs: 3 X 10
Nose breaker/ Skull crusher : 3 X 5
Bench dip : 3 X 5

Sunday:
Barbell Military press: 3 X 5
Barbell Behind Neck Press 3 X 5
and some abs exercise : Sit up & some other which i duno the name
Basketball game for 2 hours

Meals (8am):
Breakfast:
2 hard boiled eggs
4 peanut butter bread
milk with oatmeal

Teatime (10am):
2 roticanai / sandwich / hotdog bread (whatever sold in cafe)

Lunch (1 pm):
Chicken rice or chap fan

Dinner (6pm):
Chap fan or something else from hawker centre

Supper (when hungry):
Bread, HL milk sometime

Currently 19 yrs old, 181 cm & 55 kg.
Walk more than 40 minute per day to & from uni.
Home gymed.

Aim: Gain weight till 65kg & some nice looking but not too bulging muscles
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Aduh bro, u work your 3 major muscle on monday? That's not gonna do it, spilt your bodyparts/days. Try to read/research some of the routine here in h&f

Home gymed? You got the equipments all at home?

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@ *FallenAngel*

you are seriously underweight. perhaps u should introduce teabreak around 3pm and have some serious supper as well. and based on ur diet, dun think you have much calories also.
and based on your height, u should b aiming at >70kg!!!
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Thx, i knew i am underweight. I have a very heavy class schedule, 8 - 4, sometime till 5 & usually go back home at 7, that's why i dun have time to have tea break. I dun have much choice, what i can eat is what sold in my uni's cafe & hawker centre.


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What happened to your legs?
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Calf exercise? KK, noted. Will reschedule them.


QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ May 8 2010, 04:41 PM)
Aduh bro, u work your 3 major muscle on monday? That's not gonna do it, spilt your bodyparts/days. Try to read/research some of the routine here in h&f

Home gymed? You got the equipments all at home?
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Kk, means that separate the chest press, dead lift & squat into 3 diff days? But i see that the rippetoe's training schedule, this 3 sets are done together. Sorry if interpret wrongly. Which thread should i refer?
I got a incline bench, normal bench, barbell & 2 dumb bell. I think is pretty enough, coz i dont really have time + money for gym, heavy course. Will be getting a pull up machine soon.



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oh if tats the case, perhaps put some effort to pack some food and during class or any break, u can just eat? if you continue with ur current diet, you are not going to reach ur 65kg target or anywhere near tat. but of coz if u plan to just gain mass without the concern of gaining body fat, u can just stuff urself with any unhealthy food from canteen.
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Boss, you need mass in order to cut. Before one makes a sculpture, he needs plenty of stone correct? It's simple common sense.
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Darklight doesnt.
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I didn't take serious on what that trainer said, coz that time bought a bucket of whey and don't want to spend RM3xx on those pills laugh.gif
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QUOTE(*FallenAngel* @ May 8 2010, 04:32 PM)
Hi guys. Just a beginner in bodybuilding.
This is my workout routine & hope someone can give me some comment.

Monday:
Dead lift : 3 X 10
Squat : 3 X 10
Bench press : 3 X 10
Barbell Incline Bench press : 3 X 10
Barbell Decline Bench press: 3 X 10
Dumb bell Incline Bench press : 3 X 7
Dumb bell Decline Bench press: 3 X 5

Wednesday:
Barbell curl: 3 X 10
Dumb bell curl : 3 X 10
Hammer curl : 3 X 10
Dumbbell Concentration Curls : 3 X 10

Friday:
Barbell Close Grip Bench Press : 3 X 6
Barbell Triceps extension: 3 X 5
Dumb bell Triceps extension: 3 X 5
Tricep Dumbbell Kick Backs: 3 X 10
Nose breaker/ Skull crusher : 3 X 5
Bench dip : 3 X 5

Sunday:
Barbell Military press: 3 X 5
Barbell Behind Neck Press 3 X 5
and some abs exercise : Sit up & some other which i duno the name
Basketball game for 2 hours

Meals (8am):
Breakfast:
2 hard boiled eggs
4 peanut butter bread
milk with oatmeal

Teatime (10am):
2 roticanai / sandwich / hotdog bread (whatever sold in cafe)

Lunch (1 pm):
Chicken rice or chap fan

Dinner (6pm):
Chap fan or something else from hawker centre

Supper (when hungry):
Bread, HL milk sometime

Currently 19 yrs old, 181 cm & 55 kg.
Walk more than 40 minute per day to & from uni.
Home gymed.

Aim: Gain weight till 65kg & some nice looking but not too bulging muscles
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At 181cm, 65kg will look like crap even if its all muscles. Try at least 85-90kg. More leg exercises.

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Loooooooooooooooooooool. So many chest, shoulder, bicep and tricep exercises. Only one exercise for quads. Just 3 sets of squats.


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Well, how old are you?
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24 this year, why
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darklite thanks to ur volume training nyer advice, broke plateau for arm training today

but post workout diet was hellish
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hmm, got something to ask. just now went to MV's GNC to ask about the protein supplement. I ask this guy, wat's the different between those product (ON ,Muscle Tech and 1 more cant remember).. he told me tat ON and the other 1 is 2 maintain the muscle and for muscle tech is to bulid muscle. Find it funny. Coz this is my first time hearding this.

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hmm, got something to ask. just now went to MV's GNC to ask about the protein supplement. I ask this guy, wat's the different between those product (ON ,Muscle Tech and 1 more cant remember).. he told me tat ON and the other 1 is 2 maintain the muscle and for muscle tech is to bulid muscle. Find it funny. Coz this is my first time hearding this.
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makes us wonder what qualifications do you need to be a GNC sales rep to begin with.

seems like they would hire anyone who can 'look' like they know what they are talking about when it comes to nutrition but in fact memorize their lines from other colleagues of same understanding or read it off pamphlets.

what a let down for such a supplement giant.
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Me and david today lift lesser than a girl.
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hahahaha... so david, how did it go? =.= wakkakaka
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is there any link to any article showing that genetics play a big role in bodybuilding? thank you.
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Me and david today lift lesser than a girl.
5kg dumbell bench press for less than 5 reps and we are wining our ass out
hahahaha... so david, how did it go? =.= wakkakaka
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lol please dont embarass ourselves xD
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is there any link to any article showing that genetics play a big role in bodybuilding? thank you.
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97% genetics, 3% the rest. But it doesn't mean you shouldn't train to be as well developed as you can naturally.

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lol please dont embarass ourselves xD
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97% genetics, 3% the rest. But it doesn't mean you shouldn't train to be as well developed as you can naturally.
Really that bad? Neural strength loss la. Give it 2 weeks or so.
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no la bro, we were doing super sets. we were already exhausted from the incline bench. We did super sets with 15kg, 7.5kg and 5kg. LOL. We felt like little girls when doing the 5kg db press
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guise want to ask, is eating fastfood like burgers and KFC breast good in clean bulk? minus the fries and soft drinks, just the burger and meat
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Fastfood ≠ Clean
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QUOTE(JonYeap @ May 9 2010, 01:49 AM)
Me and david today lift lesser than a girl.
5kg dumbell bench press for less than 5 reps and we are wining our ass out
hahahaha... so david, how did it go? =.= wakkakaka
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i dont get ur message here bro
haha...me is slow
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hahaha... long time didnt go to the gym.
and pushed ourself really hard till the point we were as weak as a girl at the end of it. hahaha...

5 sets of barbell flat bench (end with 2 sets of high reps)
5 sets of incline barbell flat bench (end with 2 sets of high reps)
4 sets of incline dumbell bench press (superset)
4-5 sets of incline fliers (superset)
4 sets of cable crossover fliers

2 sets of bear complex (row, clean, press, behind neck press, squat x10 each)
15 mins of cardio.

wakkakaa... 3 weeks break and after doing this, i felt like dying. =.=
we hardly rest more than 1 min for each set. 1-2 min max
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hahaha... long time didnt go to the gym.
and pushed ourself really hard till the point we were as weak as a girl at the end of it. hahaha...

5 sets of barbell flat bench (end with 2 sets of high reps)
5 sets of incline barbell flat bench (end with 2 sets of high reps)
4 sets of incline dumbell bench press (superset)
4-5 sets of incline fliers (superset)
4 sets of cable crossover fliers

2 sets of bear complex (row, clean, press, behind neck press, squat x10 each)
15 mins of cardio.

wakkakaa... 3 weeks break and after doing this, i felt like dying. =.=
we hardly rest more than 1 min for each set. 1-2 min max
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good luck. and do inform us bout it.
at least we know how hard or easy to be one. =.=
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ May 10 2010, 06:20 PM)
lepas ni kite ramai ramai apply
no need all those c.s.c.s. certi etc
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I know someone who worked at a commercial gym for 3months upon graduating last year. All he did was sit through and interview, and a simple fitness exam where they ask questions like whats biceps.. triceps.. exercises..etc(which anyone who has been training for at least a year or two should know easily).

They do have good trainers with certificates and other fitness related qualifications, which tend to cost more per session. The others, they let loose to chase around clients looking to start off and not familiar with workouts, how to use machines, weights etc.. so they dont put much importance on fitness/nutrition wise qualifications.
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just want free access to their gym. hehehe. also can learn more in bodybuilding from training they provided.
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QUOTE(eye_knoxville @ May 10 2010, 07:22 PM)
just want free access to their gym. hehehe. also can learn more in bodybuilding from training they provided.
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You want to learn bodybuilding from trainers at a commercial gym?

Hold on.

Wait for it.














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cannot ka? i tout they will teach what is the correct form, what is wrong.. what is good for health. what is not.
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QUOTE(eye_knoxville @ May 10 2010, 07:26 PM)
cannot ka? i tout they will teach what is the correct form, what is wrong.. what is good for health. what is not.
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The average PT at a commercial gym doesn't know jack. You get better info from the internet. People like Terry, Wong Hong, etc, those are the kind of people whom i would take bodybuilding advice from.

See, the ironic thing is, Terry charges a mere 150 for consultation, but people would rather use that money to buy useless supps than actually just sit down and listen to advice which can be applied for life!

Seriously I'd rather ride a donkey naked through the desert with snapping turtles attached to my nipples than take bodybuilding advice from a commercial gym PT.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 10 2010, 07:30 PM)
The average PT at a commercial gym doesn't know jack. You get better info from the internet. People like Terry, Wong Hong, etc, those are the kind of people whom i would take bodybuilding advice from.

See, the ironic thing is, Terry charges a mere 150 for consultation, but people would rather use that money to buy useless supps than actually just sit down and listen to advice which can be applied for life!

Seriously I'd rather ride a donkey naked through the desert with snapping turtles attached to my nipples than take bodybuilding advice from a commercial gym PT.
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last time when i joined, terry's gym ade organise a yearly thing (or was it quarterly) about fitness and nutrition
die cerita la pasal body type - ecto,meso and endo and how to overcome these misrepresented facts etc
and also die cerita his diet masa die start bb'ing dulu
i dunno if ultimate gym still has that but its a good move cuz its free
die slalu kutuk i cuz im always caught with the fact that i just lost weight and always focused on losing more
damn...still tak free to pay the gym a visit after so long

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QUOTE(eye_knoxville @ May 10 2010, 07:26 PM)
cannot ka? i tout they will teach what is the correct form, what is wrong.. what is good for health. what is not.

No they don't.
They send you to a basic training course held by a training company. At the end of the course, you could CHOOSE to take a test for the certification.
Then they potong the cost of the course from your pay. whistling.gif

And oh, you get no basic salary. Everything comes from the commission. Now you know why PTs in FF are like vultures. LOL!
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ May 10 2010, 08:02 PM)
No they don't.
They send you to a basic training course held by a training company. At the end of the course, you could CHOOSE to take a test for the certification.
Then they potong the cost of the course from your pay. whistling.gif

And oh, you get no basic salary. Everything comes from the commission. Now you know why PTs in FF are like vultures. LOL!
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Exactly! I know one acquaintance, guess what he took to become a PT? An MCQ test, done at home, open book style. Then submit it the next day. Celebrity Fitness. LOL!


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QUOTE(gtoforce @ May 10 2010, 07:54 PM)
last time when i joined, terry's gym ade organise a yearly thing (or was it quarterly) about fitness and nutrition
die cerita la pasal body type - ecto,meso and endo and how to overcome these misrepresented facts etc
and also die cerita his diet masa die start bb'ing dulu
i dunno if ultimate gym still has that but its a good move cuz its free
die slalu kutuk i cuz im always caught with the fact that i just lost weight and always focused on losing more
damn...still tak free to pay the gym a visit after so long
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Zzzz.... now Terry doesn't really give out free advice anymore and I don't blame him. Advising some people is like going in through one ear and out the other. He just leaves the newbies alone, gives them very basic advice and that's it. Some more got smart alecs in the gym wanna argue with him (but i read so and so in Muscle and Fitness, etc)

My point is, the guy didn't get to where he is without sacrificing so much. Everyone has to make a living. Hell, I go all the way to his gym just to train there even though it's so far. I'd prefer that place to CF, FF, whatever la. But it's expensive going there everyday though. Still, there are so many things he's taught me and you all gotta understand I can't give everything away either. 80% of the application in my training came from his knowledge imparted to me and I feel like it's a betrayal of his trust if I just share it too openly.

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talk about PT, just this morning saw one PT trying to correct the client's form for lunges.... obviously the client is leaning forward when she try to move forward and the trainer keep saying, use ur back leg ........ As if she knows how to execute the right muscle for good good form. Imagine u r paying RM100+ for this kind of training......They dont even know the basic.
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guys, is it safe to order testosterone, or anabolic booster pills (nutrex products) through bodybuilding.com? or order any kind of supplement which is in capsule form.....please advise...
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QUOTE(gIGoN @ May 11 2010, 03:03 PM)
guys, is it safe to order testosterone, or anabolic booster pills (nutrex products) through bodybuilding.com? or order any kind of supplement which is in capsule form.....please advise...
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er...wudnt advise u to do that
nowadays hard to import pills
and if injectables, then u gotta check
im answering in custom punye aspects cuz i had friends whom are suppliers in kl for all these contrabands

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oh no...i've ordered animal cuts from bodybuilding.com....arghhh y would they hold it...it's just supplements and it's way cheaper then wherever whoever selling in malaysia....
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Because capsules (even fish oil) is considered as 'medicine' and is under pharmaceutical dept.

Powders are easier to bring in cause it can be categorized as 'food supplement'.
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so my animal cuts supplement will kena tahan is it? arrgghhh any possibility i could get it back?
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so my animal cuts supplement will kena tahan is it? arrgghhh any possibility i could get it back?
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been imported 2 time
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so my animal cuts supplement will kena tahan is it? arrgghhh any possibility i could get it back?
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You brought it in via normal post or Fedex?

If Fedex, they'll call you up / hold your package if you bring in more than 1 bottle.

If normal post, just pray hard it wont get confiscated wink.gif
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2 weeks ago i successfully traded at bb.com for first time. Got my OptiMen, caffeine n EGCG caps/pills. Used the express delivery w FedEx, recv in 7days. I suspect if use normal/standard post, mayb higher possibility kena confiscated.

Happy shopping smile.gif

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i used the normal post, if fedex then the price would almost be the same as what's available locally.....i know i prefer buying @ bb.com as there are much much more variations of product which we could choose from. If everything also malaysia cannot bring in then how laaa
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QUOTE(CnT @ May 11 2010, 04:29 PM)
2 weeks ago i successfully traded at bb.com for first time. Got my OptiMen, caffeine n EGCG caps/pills. Used the express delivery w FedEx, recv in 7days. I suspect if use normal/standard post, mayb higher possibility kena confiscated.

Happy shopping smile.gif
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Custom allows you to bring 1 bottle of each item without making any noise smile.gif

I brought in 3 bottles of fish oil kena tahan for 1 day sweat.gif
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if kene tahan they will send you a letter.


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i used the normal post, if fedex then the price would almost be the same as what's available locally..
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So how long did it take for normal post?
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it's stated there 7-14 days using DHL
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3-4 weeks for normal post, got mine in 3.5 weeks

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wat did u order? and how many items?
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no comments.
i think u should only start worrying after week 3 from the date of delivery.
otherwise just wait.

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I ordered some creatine powder on 6/4/2010, and still haven't received it till now.

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guess its spoiled.. i cooked it hard boiled, the way I always do.

occasionally I do run into bag eggs, and i guess today was just another one of those days, heh.
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f***. Don't ever go to CF at Bangsar Village. Was warming up with 85lb dumbbells, then found the 90's..... and that's it!!! Nothing heavier than 40kg
dumbbells. Wasted 2 stupid sets. Had to do incline Smith machine bench press for
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I don't think anybody else here lifts more than 70lbs, let alone 90lb dumbbells lol.
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QUOTE(John91 @ May 12 2010, 12:19 AM)
I don't think anybody else here lifts more than 70lbs, let alone 90lb dumbbells lol.
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but last time when gold's gym ade in kl, they had those 200lbs db's
although one or two whites and blacks je yang lifted
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Shizz there was a Gold's Gym here? COol, old skul.
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QUOTE(John91 @ May 12 2010, 12:30 AM)
Shizz there was a Gold's Gym here? COol, old skul.
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but never really benefited cuz i was er...too ignorant last time
but it closed down due to tak ramai yang tau katne plus location and parking was hell
after that the whole building runtuh to give way to the new intermark
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QUOTE(John91 @ May 12 2010, 12:19 AM)
I don't think anybody else here lifts more than 70lbs, let alone 90lb dumbbells lol.
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did 70lbs chest press today though tongue.gif, might seem light for you guys but its only the second time i managed to do it haha
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QUOTE(John91 @ May 12 2010, 12:19 AM)
I don't think anybody else here lifts more than 70lbs, let alone 90lb dumbbells lol.
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That's because it's relative. If I shoulder press the 95's, then bloody 90 pounders better be light for chest in my case. Even Terry once told his friends I'm considered relatively strong (I kembang a bit la that kinda compliment coming from him despite my poor genetics).

40kgs for incline presses are light as shit to me. (Not arrogance but pure fact) The weight IFBB Pros press make me look like a monkey. And there were some people commenting on how heavy those dumbbells were. I was like... yeah whatever gimme bigger dumbbells and you'll see. The consultant was Jerry, a really nice guy. Asked me if I might join CF, I said I might but definitely not this branch sorry. So I asked for a trial pass transfer and boom! I'm heading back to CF at MidValley again. LOL!


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did 70lbs chest press today though tongue.gif, might seem light for you guys but its only the second time i managed to do it haha
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70lbs is good. Go high reps for dumbbell exercises or you won't benefit. More than 10.

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i was wondering something...
is it okay lets say..
i do my chest on monday
and i have another chest day ermm lets say..
thursday?

so means i have two chest days per week..
or it will be bad..
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70lbs is good. Go high reps for dumbbell exercises or you won't benefit. More than 10.
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got it, will try 10 reps unsupported the next time i do chest. went 70 because i was pretty sure i could do 12 with 66lbs db's so i didnt want to waste a set
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QUOTE(alzaim @ May 12 2010, 03:55 AM)
i was wondering something...
is it okay lets say..
i do my chest on monday
and i have another chest day ermm lets say..
thursday?

so means i have two chest days per week..
or it will be bad..
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thats fine.

Its how i'm chasing my lagging chest, and it seems to be working for me.
But on the 2nd day of hitting chest, i keep it moderate weight, high reps(10-15).

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Guys, i was wondering whether running constant speed of 8 or increase the gradient to 15% (max) is better to burn fats?

Coz when i compare the calories burn, radient 15% is much higher calories burnt (with constant 15mins on treadmill).

Also, does anyone knows where to get gloves @ cheap rate? Wanted to buy one to prevent my hand's skin from peeling off... thanks peps


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QUOTE(looneytunes @ May 12 2010, 10:40 AM)
Guys, i was wondering whether running constant speed of 8 or increase the gradient to 15% (max) is better to burn fats?

Coz when i compare the calories burn, radient 15% is much higher calories burnt (with constant 15mins on treadmill).

Also, does anyone knows where to get gloves @ cheap rate? Wanted to buy one to prevent my hand's skin from peeling off...  thanks peps
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i saw one uncle at the gym i go wearing the type of glove they use for cabut-ing grass. RM2 per pair ii think.
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i saw one uncle at the gym i go wearing the type of glove they use for cabut-ing grass. RM2 per pair ii think.
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QUOTE(tineagle @ May 11 2010, 10:33 PM)
guess its spoiled.. i cooked it hard boiled, the way I always do.

occasionally I do run into bag eggs, and i guess today was just another one of those days, heh.
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Mine is half boiled, and yes the whole bowl of egg was polluted and i have to pour it away, stupid egg.
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I wonder protein shake can be mix into warm or hot water ?
cause i heard most of the people here just mix it with cold water.
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if protein is exposed to heat, it is denatured.

whether or not you still get the desired absorption of protein, i dun know.
but there must b a reason y all whey products advise the same thing, tat is to mix with cold water.
they must have done their research.

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if protein is exposed to heat, it is denatured.

whether or not you still get the desired absorption of protein, i dun know.
but there must b a reason y all whey products advise the same thing, tat is to mix with cold water.
they must have done their research.
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Yup, and if you have enzymes in your protein, that will get denatured too.
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QUOTE(alzaim @ May 12 2010, 03:55 AM)
i was wondering something...
is it okay lets say..
i do my chest on monday
and i have another chest day ermm lets say..
thursday?

so means i have two chest days per week..
or it will be bad..
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QUOTE(tineagle @ May 12 2010, 09:31 AM)
thats fine.

Its how i'm chasing my lagging chest, and it seems to be working for me.
But on the 2nd day of hitting chest, i keep it moderate weight, high reps(10-15).
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6 days of rest between BP

I would never work the same part with only 24 hours of recovery ...

Recovery IS bodybuilding..no one ever got big in the gym

The basics of BB tell us that you are breaking down muscle tissue when you train....it's the recovery process that builds one up in terms of muscle size/ strength.
You train the bodypart HARDER, not more often. You may be growing but don't you think you would be growing a lot more if you did the former?
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 12 2010, 04:54 PM)
QUOTE(Pro Bob Chick;441788831)
6 days of rest between BP

I would never work the same part with only 24 hours of recovery ...

Recovery IS bodybuilding..no one ever got big in the gym

The basics of BB tell us that you are breaking down muscle tissue when you train....it's the recovery process that builds one up in terms of muscle size/ strength.
You train the bodypart HARDER, not more often. You may be growing but don't you think you would be growing a lot more if you did the former?
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darklight can you explain in detail..i dont really get it..

what i get is...
just train the bodypart harder on mondays...
i hope i get that right haha...( means more excercise or more reps n such..)

the second part is the confusing one hahaa..
mayb i've had too much shisha this month...
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ May 12 2010, 04:54 PM)
QUOTE(Pro Bob Chick;441788831)
6 days of rest between BP

I would never work the same part with only 24 hours of recovery ...

Recovery IS bodybuilding..no one ever got big in the gym

The basics of BB tell us that you are breaking down muscle tissue when you train....it's the recovery process that builds one up in terms of muscle size/ strength.
You train the bodypart HARDER, not more often. You may be growing but don't you think you would be growing a lot more if you did the former?
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Yes you train it harder, but there's only a certain degree of how HARD you can train.
Of course training it more than once a week with high intensity and volume wont work with natural trainees.

Lagging body parts require more stimulation than brutal pounding, and adding in an additional day later the week(2-3days apart from first day of training that body part) with moderate weights and high reps seems to be the best way to stimulate that growth.
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QUOTE(pedro @ May 12 2010, 10:20 PM)
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anyone of them....from muscletech, gaspari, or any other brand la...can it really boost our testosterone level?? i though you can only do that with horse ball juice...
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Why would you want to suck on horse balls?
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guys, any specific guidance to have animal cut?
it contains 9 f*cking capsules per serving.
eat all one shot? :S
anyone of them not necessary?

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ May 12 2010, 10:14 PM)
guys, any specific guidance to have animal cut?
it contains 9 f*cking capsules per serving.
eat all one shot? :S
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That's what 'one serving' means. Eat up.
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anyone know where can we get a pair of good quality glove ?
brand and price pls?
great if can buy online
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ May 12 2010, 10:14 PM)
guys, any specific guidance to have animal cut?
it contains 9 f*cking capsules per serving.
eat all one shot? :S
anyone of them not necessary?
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9 only? Animal Pak has 11 in each pak. I havent seen anything else coming close.
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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 12 2010, 10:51 PM)
anyone know where can we get a pair of good quality glove ?
brand and price pls?
great if can buy online
cheers
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QUOTE(de.crystal @ May 12 2010, 11:51 PM)
anyone know where can we get a pair of good quality glove ?
brand and price pls?
great if can buy online
cheers
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I used to train with gloves (The standard MAXX one with the wrist supports) but then I got lazy to wear them. Found out its much better and natural for me this way (can feel the raw iron and muscle burn more). Got used to the callouses after a while. Loving the feeling.

Gosh I'm so energetic and pumped out after working out! HOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! flex.gif
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QUOTE(-Dan @ May 12 2010, 10:59 PM)
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they extract it from a horse's balls...that why....so back to my question...does those pill really work? nutrex vitrix for example..
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QUOTE(super messi @ May 13 2010, 06:06 PM)
they extract it from a horse's balls...that why....so back to my question...does those pill really work? nutrex vitrix for example..
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