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post Jun 1 2020, 06:27 PM, updated 6y ago

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Hi guys, you ask me anything of Water leaking / Waterproofing. The more complicated the question is, the better thumbup.gif

Waterproofing is not an easy topic. Sometime the leaking situation is very tricky and complicated. Sometimes its very straightforward.

Just ask me anything and i will try my best to answer when i have time. And i like to learn from others too.

The more challenge the water leaking waterproofing situation is, the more adrenaline i get smile.gif Especially those who appointed few contractors to solve waterproofing water leaking problems and yet still failed to rectify the water leaking waterproofing.


Those common water leaking i can share about are below:
1. Waterproofing Problem / Waterproofing Materials
2. Water leaking / Plumbing (toilet, roof slab, wall concrete slab)
3. Concrete crack repair solution.

In general, There are few types of waterproofing chemical
1. Liquid applied PU waterproofing membrane
2. Cementitious waterproofing coating
3. Chemical PU injection waterproofing system
4. Exposed waterproofing system
5. Self adhesive waterproofing system

Nowdays there are a few improvement in waterproofing technology such as
Crystallization effect, epoxy coating, Silicone waterproofing, water repellent coating etc.


I believe Water leaking or Waterproofing problem is the most nightmare defects rectification work compare other defects. Worse still some contractors proposed wrong method solving the leaking matter or some contractor disappear after owner engage their service and many nightmare stories that i heard.

I will be very glad to share some of my experiences rectifying water leaking problems or waterproofing problems and share my knowledge the best solution to rectify it smile.gif

First of all, apologize for my English and please focus on my knowledge sharing here smile.gif

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Share me what is your water leaking & waterproofing problem here. Learn together and lets solve it.

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post Jun 1 2020, 06:28 PM

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Reserve for typical waterproofing problem to discuss =)

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post Jun 1 2020, 06:29 PM

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reserve for typical technical drawing waterproofing =)

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post Jun 2 2020, 12:57 AM

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Nightmare to deal with... 🙏🏻
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post Jun 2 2020, 01:25 AM

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How much do you charge for a typical toilet waterproof work.

Retiling, can the old tiles be salvaged?

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post Jun 2 2020, 04:49 PM

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hi Daang, thanks for taking over.

to everyone, i was the owner of the last thread on water-proofing. water proofing is a kind of problem that you don't know or even think about when it didn't happen. life goes on, business as usual. but when it did occur, it really can caused u to feel extremely frustrating and sleepless night. think of it like the feeling of shitting, if the feeling didn't come, u wont think about it. when it did come and especially at a time u least expected it, it become a situation.

since i have abit knowledge about it, i opened that thread as an 'educational' and part 'personal-hobby-project' ...

but i have since left Malaysia to cari makan down south. this hobby/project thread has proofed to be overwhelmed and i can't handle the many queries since i am no longer based here. with heavy heart i have to close that thread. i also received many pm's and felt sorry i was unable to offer much support.

one day TS (Daang) and i talked and suddenly this topic on the water leaking thread that i did few years back came about in our discussion. i am happy that Daang is willing to re-start this meaningful and useful thread.

Daang and i have known each other for more than a decade. he knows his stuff in water-proofing and generous enough to re-start this thread.... i encourage everyone that have any problem in this area, feel free to discuss in this thread so everyone can share and hopefully solve this toxic problem if it ever happen to your home/facilities.

GO GO GO Daang.... thank you for continuing and taking on this topic......
TSDaang
post Jun 2 2020, 08:29 PM

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hi Daang, thanks for taking over.

It is an honor! biggrin.gif


[quote=Zwean,Jun 2 2020, 01:25 AM]How much do you charge for a typical toilet waterproof work.

Retiling, can the old tiles be salvaged?
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Rate is subject to the condition of the toilet area.
A proper investigation needed to identify the water leaking issue and using the right method to solve it for long lasting nod.gif

I guess many home owners experiences the water leaking was fix by contractors but the water leaking comes back after days, weeks, months....

Basically these are the method type of waterproofing repairs at toilet area depending the structural toilet floor condition.

1. PU injection chemical (no hacking)
2. Epoxy grout between the tiles joint (no hacking)
3. Epoxy flake coating (no hacking)
4. Water repellent chemical between the tiles joint (no hacking)
5. Hacking and redo everything new. New waterproofing, new screeding, new tiles.

To each method type waterproofing, there are advantages and disadvantages. nod.gif

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Your question regarding retiling is absolutely necessary to change if hollow sound can be heard on tiles excl.gif
It must be replace as soon as possible because over time as moisture / water will be able penetrating into tiles and structural concrete. This will create big problem in future.

The present of moisture / water over time in concrete will result concrete deterioration that will encourage mold growth, bacteria growth and steel corrosion.
The concrete deterioration means weaker concrete strength and will eventually lead to structure concrete failure.
Structure concrete failure means massive crack inside the concrete.

That is the reason we always say be careful purchasing old house as massive repair needed to be done. Water leaking problem. Waterproofing problem. Crack everywhere. icon_idea.gif

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post Jun 2 2020, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Daang @ Jun 2 2020, 08:29 PM)
Rate is subject to the condition of the toilet area.
A proper investigation needed to identify the water leaking issue and using the right method to solve it for long lasting  nod.gif

I guess many home owners experiences the water leaking was fix by contractors but the water leaking comes back after days, weeks, months....

Basically these are the method type of waterproofing repairs at toilet area depending the structural toilet floor condition.

1. PU injection chemical (no hacking)
2. Epoxy grout between the tiles joint (no hacking)
3. Epoxy flake coating (no hacking)
4. Water repellent chemical between the tiles joint (no hacking)
5. Hacking and redo everything new. New waterproofing, new screeding, new tiles.

To each method type waterproofing, there are advantages and disadvantages.  nod.gif

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Your question regarding retiling is absolutely necessary to change if hollow sound can be heard on tiles excl.gif
It must be replace as soon as possible because over time as moisture / water will be able penetrating into tiles and structural concrete. This will create big problem in future.

The present of moisture / water over time in concrete will result concrete deterioration that will encourage mold growth, bacteria growth and steel corrosion.
The concrete deterioration means weaker concrete strength and will eventually lead to structure concrete failure.
Structure concrete failure means massive crack inside the concrete.

That is the reason we always say be careful purchasing old house as massive repair needed to be done. Water leaking problem. Waterproofing problem. Crack everywhere.  icon_idea.gif

user posted image mold growth
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What are the pros and cons of the methods below? Can you Explain like I'm 5 please?
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1. PU injection chemical (no hacking)
2. Epoxy grout between the tiles joint (no hacking)
3. Epoxy flake coating (no hacking)
4. Water repellent chemical between the tiles joint (no hacking)
5. Hacking and redo everything new. New waterproofing, new screeding, new tiles.

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post Jun 4 2020, 01:36 AM

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1. PU injection chemical (no hacking)

Advantage rclxm9.gif
Fast job,
no hacking concrete,
filling up the concrete crack structure (inside the concrete)
effective and the most used at site construction repair.

Disadvantage
messy and dirty,
there is chance the water leaking find new exit point,
home owner require to patch up the new plaster ceiling.

2. Epoxy grout between the tiles joint (no hacking)

Advantage rclxm9.gif
Fast job,
no hacking concrete,
filling up the minor crack joint between the tiles joint surface (top surface)

Disadvantage
It did not solve the big crack inside the concrete.
If big crack exist inside concrete, the leaking will come back because epoxy grout mostly treated the top surface part.
The additional movement & vibration concrete, the epoxy grout will wear and tear out.
Many public unaware contractors using tiles joint filler or cement grout filler instead of epoxy grout filler.

3. Epoxy flake coating (no hacking)

advantage rclxm9.gif
no hacking concrete
instantly cover your dirty floor tiles
Create many design patterns

Disadvantage
Cover up existing beautiful tiles,
time consuming as it takes 2 – 3 days to fully cured
it did not solve concrete structure crack (inside the concrete)


4. Water repellent chemical between the tiles joint (no hacking)
Advantage rclxm9.gif
Fast job
no hacking
easily DIY yourself
economical

Disadvantage
The leaking coming back soon, the water repellent wont last long.

5. Hacking and redo everything new. New waterproofing, new screeding, new tiles.

advantage rclxm9.gif

The one time solution that solve everything.
Water leaking solved
concrete structure strengthens

Disadvantage
time consuming and may take up many days to complete
expensive
messy and noisy


The concrete structure is just like the center of human body. If the center of human body is not healed and let it slowly deteriorated (concrete structure crack). The whole thing will crumble soon and major fix repair is require. cool2.gif


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post Jun 6 2020, 08:57 AM

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currently no leaking but I think I want to apply waterproofing on my bathroom floor tiles lines. What is your advice on the method?
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The upper floor shared bathroom ceiling has water mark during heavy rain (double storey house). What is the recommended method to repair it? Any recommended contact in klang valley?


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Nice, every condo owner needs to know this
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post Jun 8 2020, 10:46 AM

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Hi sifus, i'm glad to have found this thread.

As you see in the image, i have a wall (between neighbour) that is moist at the bottom. Neighbour terrace house is actually on a higher level (about 3 feet higher). Our street is on a slope. Wondering if there's any long-term solution that can be applied?

(Sorry I did not read the previous thread - not sure if similar problem has been addressed.)

Thanks in advance.
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post Jun 9 2020, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(kennykck @ Jun 6 2020, 09:59 PM)
The upper floor shared bathroom ceiling has water mark during heavy rain (double storey house). What is the recommended method to repair it? Any recommended contact in klang valley?
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Firstly need to identify the water leaking source, since you mention heavy rain only leaking,
1) it could be clogged drain that resulting water ponding, then overflow rainwater leak to the shared bathroom (this is not waterproofing problem)
2) if waterproofing problem, the need to study and access the condition. i) concrete surface (crack?) ii) the side of corner area (angle fillet) iii) does it have enough rainwater downpipe? iv) old waterproofing wear out?

You can PM for recommended waterproofing water leaking contact in klang valley. This will be good for lowyat waterproofing case study biggrin.gif

QUOTE(metalbod @ Jun 8 2020, 10:46 AM)
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Hi sifus, i'm glad to have found this thread.

As you see in the image, i have a wall (between neighbour) that is moist at the bottom.  Neighbour terrace house is actually on a higher level (about 3 feet higher).  Our street is on a slope.  Wondering if there's any long-term solution that can be applied?

(Sorry I did not read the previous thread - not sure if similar problem has been addressed.)

Thanks in advance.
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From behind
1) If you could somehow access the concrete wall behind, apply with fast setting mortar cement, best to hack alittle deep (U shape) into concrete wall before applying fast setting mortar cement. The bonding strength will be stronger.
2) Another option is applying epoxy sealer around the area.

From front
1) use PU grouting injection chemical to fill the porosity crack concrete.
2) many ppl scrap the painting wall / plaster wall and apply with epoxy coating or waterproofing coating. Then repainting back. It works and you wont see leaking patches however there is a possibility in future growth of mold inside the concrete as the water / moisture will still be there
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Hi,

My zinc roof at my balcony kinda leaks badly when it rains heavily. Beneath the zinc roof, there are plaster ceiling and they are already brownish in colour - not sure if it's due to the leakage or simply the paint is not good enough.

One part of the plaster ceiling eventually fell off and I could now take a peek at the leaks when it rains and seems like it's mainly leaking at the roof joints / "paku".

Do you know what to do to fix this permanently? Apply silicone on the paku area? Or something else?
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QUOTE(Daang @ Jun 9 2020, 09:57 AM)
From behind
1) If you could somehow access the concrete wall behind, apply with fast setting mortar cement, best to hack alittle deep (U shape) into concrete wall before applying fast setting mortar cement. The bonding strength will be stronger.
2) Another option is applying epoxy sealer around the area.

From front
1) use PU grouting injection chemical to fill the porosity crack concrete.
2) many ppl scrap the painting wall / plaster wall and apply with epoxy coating or waterproofing coating. Then repainting back. It works and you wont see leaking patches however there is a possibility in future growth of mold inside the concrete as the water / moisture will still be there
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Hey, thanks for the advice.

Unfortunately i won't be able to access from behind as it is neighbour's wall. smile.gif

OK, will do the work from front. Ya, I think the future issue with the trapped moist will be an issue. sigh... But better than let it "rot" like now.
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QUOTE(Refuzed @ Jun 9 2020, 12:42 PM)
Hi,

My zinc roof at my balcony kinda leaks badly when it rains heavily. Beneath the zinc roof, there are plaster ceiling and they are already brownish in colour - not sure if it's due to the leakage or simply the paint is not good enough.

One part of the plaster ceiling eventually fell off and I could now take a peek at the leaks when it rains and seems like it's mainly leaking at the roof joints / "paku".

Do you know what to do to fix this permanently? Apply silicone on the paku area? Or something else?
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The nail should be at the top section of ~ zinc which shouldn't leak, unless it is heavy rain, whereby inclination of the roof is not steep enough to drain out the water fast.

There is a kind of tape or black soil stuff that can seal off the hole, which is easily available in hardware shop. Just tell them you want to seal off the nail hole of your zinc.
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Hi Daang and sifus,

My masterbedroom bathroom is leaking to the lower floor. already did waterproofing using the solution but only last a few months and now starts to leak again. At the bottom of the stairs, there're water dripping from above.
Already asked quotation from a contractor. He suggested to do the whole bathroom.
What I'm not agree with him is the time taken. His proposal schedule:
1. hacking - 4 days for a 8x5.5' bathroom
2. Water proofing - 4 days( 2 days to cure and 2 days testing)
3. Tiling 4 days.

My question:
Is it really 4 days to do the water proofing?

I need shorter days coz I cannot take longer leave days.

Thanks

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QUOTE(merci @ Jun 16 2020, 09:49 PM)
Hi Daang and sifus,

My masterbedroom bathroom is leaking to the lower floor. already did waterproofing using the solution but only last a few months and now starts to leak again. At the bottom of the stairs, there're water dripping from above.
Already asked quotation from a contractor. He suggested to do the whole bathroom.
What I'm not agree with him is the time taken. His proposal schedule:
1. hacking - 4 days for a 8x5.5' bathroom
2. Water proofing - 4 days( 2 days to cure and 2 days testing)
3. Tiling 4 days.

My question:
Is it really 4 days to do the water proofing?

I need shorter days coz I cannot take longer leave days.

Thanks
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Is it altogether 12 days? That would be too long for a bathroom waterproofing work. But 4 days for the whole work that would be usually the case as hacking and tiling takes time, waterproofing needs time to cure as well. Water ponding test does require days but you do not need to be there to monitor.
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QUOTE(PaintPals @ Jun 17 2020, 09:28 AM)
Is it altogether 12 days? That would be too long for a bathroom waterproofing work. But 4 days for the whole work that would be usually the case as hacking and tiling takes time, waterproofing needs time to cure as well. Water ponding test does require days but you do not need to be there to monitor.
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Do take note that it all depends on toilet size as well, a typical toilet re-waterproofing work that involves hacking would take up at least a week, the time consuming part are hacking and tiling and can get quite messy. I wouldn't recommend those non-hacking waterproofing as it only delays the problem but not solving the root cause of it.
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a friend was sharing a water leak problem bangwall.gif

- 5 storey walk up apartment
- bought the 4th floor unit

apartment has several 'stalactite' mineral deposit from the roof. several inches from ceiling coming down. ranting.gif

- found that the problem comes from the toilet upstairs.
- owner upstairs refuse to repair their toilet

my friend did PU injection however water flow now to a wall. the wall looks like coloured. if look carefully, probably got fungus / mold. rclxub.gif

any suggestion how to fix the problem without upstairs help ? notworthy.gif

tks so much icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(billyboy @ Jun 20 2020, 09:30 AM)
a friend was sharing a water leak problem  bangwall.gif

- 5 storey walk up apartment
- bought the 4th floor unit

apartment has several 'stalactite' mineral deposit from the roof.  several inches from ceiling coming down.  ranting.gif

- found that the problem comes from the toilet upstairs.
- owner upstairs refuse to repair their toilet

my friend did PU injection however water flow now to a wall.  the wall looks like coloured.  if look carefully, probably got fungus / mold.  rclxub.gif

any suggestion how to fix the problem without upstairs help ?  notworthy.gif

tks so much  icon_question.gif
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Nothing.

Water will find its way to other areas .

Repair for the neighbour foc if he wants to solve the problem.
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post Jun 22 2020, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(merci @ Jun 16 2020, 09:49 PM)
Hi Daang and sifus,

My masterbedroom bathroom is leaking to the lower floor. already did waterproofing using the solution but only last a few months and now starts to leak again. At the bottom of the stairs, there're water dripping from above.
Already asked quotation from a contractor. He suggested to do the whole bathroom.
What I'm not agree with him is the time taken. His proposal schedule:
1. hacking - 4 days for a 8x5.5' bathroom
2. Water proofing - 4 days( 2 days to cure and 2 days testing)
3. Tiling 4 days.

My question:
Is it really 4 days to do the water proofing?

I need shorter days coz I cannot take longer leave days.

Thanks
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24 hours or less for ponding test is good enough
The ponding test required 24 hours practice is good enough to determine good waterproofing or not.
The idea is like this, nobody showering more than 24 hours with the water ponding the whole floor. Each time ppl shower, the water discharge to the downpipe and dry within an hour.

2 days is possible with 2 coats waterproofing + 24 hours ponding test
Due to less ventilation in toilet, the 1st coating waterproofing may take longer to dry compare 1st coating at outside exposed to the hot sun.
It depends the your shower ventilation condition. To speed up the process get a standing fan blow it.
If your contractor able to time this work well, he can apply 1st coating on late evening (same day he completed concrete hacking), let the overnight 1st coating cure and proceed with 2nd coating the next day. In the end it just took 1 day only.

4 days (waterproofing + ponding test ) is possible subject to factors.
2 days (waterproofing + ponding test) with 2 coatings and 24 hours ponding test is possible too but with good planning.

Curious can you share what waterproofing solution did you use previously and the leaking return again after few months? You mention dripping, is it a continuous dripping even without using the shower?



QUOTE(PaintPals @ Jun 17 2020, 09:46 AM)
Do take note that it all depends on toilet size as well, a typical toilet re-waterproofing work that involves hacking would take up at least a week, the time consuming part are hacking and tiling and can get quite messy.  I wouldn't recommend those non-hacking waterproofing as it only delays the problem but not solving the root cause of it.
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This is true, depend the toilet size, overall complete process it takes 6-7 days averagely for a typical size toilet.

Non-hacking waterproofing not recommended as it delays the problem and not solving the root cause.
This is also true especially the water repellent waterproofing, sealing between the tile joint, and other marketing gimmick waterproofing products.
why?
Most of the chemical will eventual wear out, less effective after months or 1 - 3 years (depend the concrete structure, how frequent usage of shower area). It only serve as temporary solution.
Imagine the rain repellent chemical you apply on car windscreen.

It also subject to the contractor knowledge method how to solve the given problem.

QUOTE(billyboy @ Jun 20 2020, 09:30 AM)
a friend was sharing a water leak problem   bangwall.gif

- 5 storey walk up apartment
- bought the 4th floor unit

apartment has several 'stalactite' mineral deposit from the roof.  several inches from ceiling coming down.  ranting.gif

- found that the problem comes from the toilet upstairs.
- owner upstairs refuse to repair their toilet

my friend did PU injection however water flow now to a wall.  the wall looks like coloured.  if look carefully, probably got fungus / mold.  rclxub.gif

any suggestion how to fix the problem without upstairs help ?  notworthy.gif

tks so much   icon_question.gif
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Only PU injection can fix from below.

Always be ready that PU injection might need 2 or 3 times to fix the leaking. This is important when you discuss the warranty term. Best to have the contractor to warranty the whole area. Example your leaking area is toilet, ask the contractor to give warranty the whole toilet area in the event new leaking appear.

I like to share a more technical knowledge about PU injection chemical. PU injection chemical has two types i) the common contractor use is Epoxy injection chemical (very rigid), ii) Flexible polyurethane PU injection (flexible and able cushion concrete movement)

The chance of a highly skilled people handling of PU injection could solve in one time is in fact high. It takes into account using the right chemical PU and able to analyze the hollow concrete while they see the PU foam (yellowish thing) appear.


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post Jun 22 2020, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Daang @ Jun 22 2020, 09:41 AM)
24 hours or less for ponding test is good enough
The ponding test required 24 hours practice is good enough to determine good waterproofing or not.
The idea is like this, nobody showering more than 24 hours with the water ponding the whole floor. Each time ppl shower, the water discharge to the downpipe and dry within an hour.

2 days is possible with 2 coats waterproofing + 24 hours ponding test
Due to less ventilation in toilet, the 1st coating waterproofing may take longer to dry compare 1st coating at outside exposed to the hot sun.
It depends the your shower ventilation condition. To speed up the process get a standing fan blow it.
If your contractor able to time this work well, he can apply 1st coating on late evening (same day he completed concrete hacking), let the overnight 1st coating cure and proceed with 2nd coating the next day. In the end it just took 1 day only.

4 days (waterproofing + ponding test ) is possible subject to factors.
2 days (waterproofing + ponding test) with 2 coatings and 24 hours ponding test is possible too but with good planning.

Curious can you share what waterproofing solution did you use previously and the leaking return again after few months? You mention dripping, is it a continuous dripping even without using the shower?
This is true, depend the toilet size, overall complete process it takes 6-7 days averagely for a typical size toilet.

Non-hacking waterproofing not recommended as it delays the problem and not solving the root cause.
This is also true especially the water repellent waterproofing, sealing between the tile joint, and other marketing gimmick waterproofing products.
why?
Most of the chemical will eventual wear out, less effective after months or 1 - 3 years (depend the concrete structure, how frequent usage of shower area). It only serve as temporary solution.
Imagine the rain repellent chemical you apply on car windscreen.

It also subject to the contractor knowledge method how to solve the given problem.
Only PU injection can fix from below. Always be ready that PU injection might need 2 or 3 times to fix the leaking. This is important when you discuss the warranty term. Best to have the contractor to warranty the whole area. Example your leaking area is toilet, ask the contractor to give warranty the whole toilet area in the event new leaking appear.
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Thanks for the feedback and explanation.

I can't remember the name of the solution. I bought it from the Hardware store. I use a brush to paint/lay the solution on the floor.
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Hi Daang,

Thanks for all the good advice you've given here. I wish I actually found this thread or did some studying on roof repairs before I hired my contractor, but I've made many noob mistakes and is suffering now because of it. I trusted my contractor on everything he said - and yet now have serious doubts on his guarantee.

Initial problems:
1. There were ceiling holes and water leakage and yellow patches on my car porch and master room toilet ceiling at the front of the house.
2. there are further 3 random spots on upper floor ceiling that has yellow patches

My contractor came and review and advice me since the leaking are at different locations, to waterproof the roof to prevent future and more serious damage from the leakages. He also patched the ceiling holes.

Day 1 & 2 : Applying the bitumen coat. He did this during a cloudy and occasion rain condition. He mentioned that the little bit of rain will not affect the waterproofing.
Day 4 : He patched the ceiling holes.

My problem came 1 month after the repair with the patches that he did on the 2 biggest holes - they started cracking and big "flat" bubbles start forming.
My contractor said this is not a problem of leakage (because he said his warranty only guarantee any further leakages, but not the patching of ceilings), the cracks/holes he patch is already done to their best capabilities - he cannot guarantee that the patches will last.

I would like to ask your advice what are the possible cause of these cracks + bubbles - is there any way to proof that the issue is because of his bad handiwork so that he will fix the problems as part of the warranty? I have found out that i seriously overpaid him compared to market rate and felt deeply unsatisfied that issues are already popping up in just 1 month after the repair and he is now saying his warranty does not include fixing the ceiling patches, but only repairing the roof if it continues leaking.

Thank you and sorry for the long post.
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QUOTE(chriskk @ Jun 23 2020, 12:00 AM)
Hi Daang,

Thanks for all the good advice you've given here. I wish I actually found this thread or did some studying on roof repairs before I hired my contractor, but I've made many noob mistakes and is suffering now because of it. I trusted my contractor on everything he said - and yet now have serious doubts on his guarantee.

Initial problems:
1. There were ceiling holes and water leakage and yellow patches on my car porch and master room toilet ceiling at the front of the house.
2. there are further 3 random spots on upper floor ceiling that has yellow patches

My contractor came and review and advice me since the leaking are at different locations, to waterproof the roof to prevent future and more serious damage from the leakages. He also patched the ceiling holes.

Day 1 & 2 : Applying the bitumen coat. He did this during a cloudy and occasion rain condition. He mentioned that the little bit of rain will not affect the waterproofing.
Day 4 : He patched the ceiling holes.

My problem came 1 month after the repair with the patches that he did on the 2 biggest holes - they started cracking and big "flat" bubbles start forming.
My contractor said this is not a problem of leakage (because he said his warranty only guarantee any further leakages, but not the patching of ceilings), the cracks/holes he patch is already done to their best capabilities - he cannot guarantee that the patches will last.

I would like to ask your advice what are the possible cause of these cracks + bubbles - is there any way to proof that the issue is because of his bad handiwork so that he will fix the problems as part of the warranty? I have found out that i seriously overpaid him compared to market rate and felt deeply unsatisfied that issues are already popping up in just 1 month after the repair and he is now saying his warranty does not include fixing the ceiling patches, but only repairing the roof if it continues leaking.

Thank you and sorry for the long post.
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Happy to help around. Happy to share what i know.

Your question what is the possible cause of these cracks + bubbles. There is dampness / moisture in the plaster ceiling he patches.
If his patching of ceilings has (crack + bubbles), there exist "trapped moisture" within the ceiling patches. As trapped moisture drying process and this will be the result of crack + bubbles.

[u]Few scenarios[/U]
1) The previous dampness plaster ceiling he patches over it (if it is damp, should not patch) instead replace new plaster ceiling?
2) the small leakage return (try touch it if there is any dampness)
3) he did not scrap off the old damage plaster fully and patches over it? (lower possibility)

It is true that many waterproofing contractor only do waterproofing and they are not so good in rectification work like plaster ceiling, skim coat, painting work.

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Cracks + bubbles in plaster ceiling is really eyes sore, sorry to hear that, hopefully you can solve the matter.

Best Waterproofing contractor for home owner
To solve waterproofing problem at home, best to find the waterproofing contractor who has experience in all kinds of waterproofing chemical products AND also good in rectifying the plaster ceiling, painting works. You will experience less headache.

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Hi, I am living in a Mid floor Condo, the affected area is the wall near my 2nd toilet. I am facing some issue where paint started to bubble and in certain areas Mold started to grow, at first i thought it was a water leakage, but when I look at the water bills it seems fine( RM 12- 15) per month. When I touch the walls, it seems very powdery even the steel door frame started to rust a bit from below. FYI There is no pipes in the Left wall.

My WC Drain Pipe connection when I flush some water will splash out from above the connection will that be the problem? But it is kinda a far away from the affected area.

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THIS IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL OF THE STORE ROOM THAT I HACKED UNDER THE SINK CABINET
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Wow, so ugly....really pening to fix this. Will be a permanent issues for life.
Maybe the only solution is hack the whole wall down and redo...hehe.
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Wow, so ugly....really pening to fix this. Will be a permanent issues for life.
Maybe the only solution is hack the whole wall down and redo...hehe.
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Do people put sealent on their windows? In Western countries there's a tape you can put between window and frame. In Malaysia?

Lately heavy rains in Penang and it's like a fireman standing outside my window with a water house on the 14th floor
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Hi, I am living in a Mid floor Condo, the affected area is the wall near my 2nd toilet. I am facing some issue where paint started to bubble and in certain areas Mold started to grow, at first i thought it was a water leakage, but when I look at the water bills it seems fine( RM 12- 15) per month. When I touch the walls, it seems very powdery even the steel door frame started to rust a bit from below. FYI There is no pipes in the Left wall.

My WC Drain Pipe connection when I flush some water will splash out from above the connection will that be the problem? But it is kinda a far away from the affected area.

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THESE ARE THE AREA AFFECTED
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THIS IS THE WALL IN THE OTHER ROOM ON THE LEFT
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THIS IS THE WALL IN THE STORE ROOM ON THE RIGHT
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THIS IS THE STORE ROOM
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THIS IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL OF THE STORE ROOM THAT I HACKED UNDER THE SINK CABINET
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Water supposing should always flow down, it is unlikely that it is caused by WC Drain pipe. One way to eliminate that is WC issue is stop using this particular toilet for 1 week and see if the problem reduce.
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Hi all, was checking out a landed house recently and saw these stains on living hall ceiling.
The walls were painted so couldn't see any flaws. And as usual owner/agent insist no leaking problems.

In this case what should be done to rectify and cost estimation?

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Hi sifu, I just received VP for my new condominium and found there's a big crack on the structural beam wall that leads to the water leaking. They have used some chemical to seal it up like on this picture. Any advice that you can provide to me to double check if the leaking will be completely fixed or the developer is just using some cheap solution and buying time?

Thank you

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QUOTE(mk92 @ Jul 31 2020, 11:15 PM)
Hi sifu, I just received VP for my new condominium and found there's a big crack on the structural beam wall that leads to the water leaking. They have used some chemical to seal it up like on this picture. Any advice that you can provide to me to double check if the leaking will be completely fixed or the developer is just using some cheap solution and buying time?

Thank you

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temp solution. havent address where is the source of the leak. those are structural cracks and not the normal shrinkage cracks. Weird it goes all the way down as supposed to have lintel above the windows. Try to check next door neighbors, above and below if can to see if it is a common problem.
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My house roof slab is leaking and have approached contractor to inspect and give quotation, 2 contractors provide 2 different options,1 suggest to touch membrane water proofing, and 1 suggest with chemical coating.

Both pricing are about the same, which one you think will be better to take?
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Hi sifu,

My house roof slab is leaking and have approached contractor to inspect and give quotation, 2 contractors provide 2 different options,1 suggest to touch membrane water proofing, and 1 suggest with chemical coating.

Both pricing are about the same, which one you think will be better to take?
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Anybody tried Pye Waterproof Flexy Seal?
Since all waterproof cant last forever...why not yearly maintain it using this cost saving product and easily applied?
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Hi there!

I'm not sure if this is the correct avenue to ask. But is there a way to determine where/which pipe is the water leaking from? I have a water pump at home that won't stop running, and I understand usually due to some leak somewhere. I've inspected all toilet/pipes that is connected to the tangki water/pump and couldn't find any possible leaks. Don't see any new water marks around etc. Any ideas?
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Not sure is the correct to ask this.
I am staying in condominium and i have a pipe stuck required to fix the pipe from below unit but my neighbour do not allow me to fix it and my management cannot do anything.
Is there anyway i could get some assistant to get this done?
It been like this for 1 month , i am unable to use my kitchen.
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QUOTE(jaysonyong @ Aug 6 2020, 11:37 AM)
Hi there!

I'm not sure if this is the correct avenue to ask. But is there a way to determine where/which pipe is the water leaking from? I have a water pump at home that won't stop running, and I understand usually due to some leak somewhere. I've inspected all toilet/pipes that is connected to the tangki water/pump and couldn't find any possible leaks. Don't see any new water marks around etc. Any ideas?
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isolate all by turning off the stopcock located in each bathroom and turning on one by one. that would narrow down the problem location. most pipes are hidden in wall and I doubt you can inspect those. usually can rule out kitchen and outdoor taps as those are direct. Unless your house piping system is designed to run on tangki as well then it is a bit hard to isolate
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QUOTE(kazarboys @ Aug 8 2020, 04:52 PM)
Not sure is the correct to ask this.
I am staying in condominium and i have a pipe stuck required to fix the pipe from below unit but my neighbour do not allow me to fix it and my management cannot do anything.
Is there anyway i could get some assistant to get this done?
It been like this for 1 month , i am unable to use my kitchen.
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get a plumber. blocked pipe is usually easy to fix especially your problem is pipe going down and not from neighbours above. have you tried sodium bicarb n vinegar, plunger fix yet? Usually lard and food particles
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Hi. Any recommended plumber to do this job in Putra Heights?
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QUOTE(CRaider2 @ Aug 9 2020, 04:19 PM)
get a plumber. blocked pipe is usually easy to fix especially your problem is pipe going down and not from neighbours above. have you tried sodium bicarb n vinegar, plunger fix yet? Usually lard and food particles
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Is a new house. Seem like got those epoxy glue use to seal the leaking.
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Is a new house. Seem like got those epoxy glue use to seal the leaking.
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still under defect liability warranty period? get developer to fix. if not still need a plumber. if it is not leaking into your unit i dont think it is a problem. funny the unit below dont allow it to be fixed
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QUOTE(kazarboys @ Aug 8 2020, 04:52 PM)
Not sure is the correct to ask this.
I am staying in condominium and i have a pipe stuck required to fix the pipe from below unit but my neighbour do not allow me to fix it and my management cannot do anything.
Is there anyway i could get some assistant to get this done?
It been like this for 1 month , i am unable to use my kitchen.
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Removing a clogged discharged pipe at below unit is a messy, smelly and dirty job. Seldom do owners agreed and especially those who spend some money for a nice kitchen.

You need to do this on your side ...

https://youtu.be/zw9p4KWlUwk

Other methods seldom work if you have tried and if is a bad clog.

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How to rectify water leaking issue on balcony which its flooring already installed tiles.

The water from balcony (from rain) leaked onto bottom floor which is the parking. The water leaked kena the car and it's nightmare to clean it as the stain very hard to remove.

Any sifu can give some ideas?

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How to rectify water leaking issue on balcony which its flooring already installed tiles.

The water from balcony (from rain) leaked onto bottom floor which is the parking. The water leaked kena the car and it's nightmare to clean it as the stain very hard to remove.

Any sifu can give some ideas?
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Are you a DIY person ?
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Aug 11 2020, 10:10 AM)
Are you a DIY person ?
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Not really a DIY person but if the task is manageable i probably can do it.

Any idea?


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Not really a DIY person but if the task is manageable i probably can do it.

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Cheap method b4 calling the expert ...

Checked for any cracked tiles and lossen cement joins.

For cracked tiles use Penten coating. Use a brush to to cover the crack.

http://www.pentens.com/product.php?l=&p=4&lang=en


For the lossen cement joins, remove and use silicon to fill the gap.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Aug 11 2020, 11:15 AM)
Cheap method b4 calling the expert ...

Checked for any cracked tiles and lossen cement joins.

For cracked tiles use Penten coating. Use a brush to to cover the crack.

http://www.pentens.com/product.php?l=&p=4&lang=en
For the lossen cement joins, remove and use silicon to fill the gap.
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I see, previously got ppl advice me to brush all the joint using waterproof coating as the tiles itself has no crack.

But still the leaking happened.

And ur suggestion are using silicon to fill it? Can point to me which kind of silicon to do it?

Thanks!


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I see, previously got ppl advice me to brush all the joint using waterproof coating as the tiles itself has no crack.

But still the leaking happened.

And ur suggestion are using silicon to fill it? Can point to me which kind of silicon to do it?

Thanks!
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Waterproof coating are for fine cracks and not for joins.

Buy those multipurpose type will do. You can find those at any hardware shops. Buy those "clear' type.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Aug 11 2020, 11:30 AM)
Waterproof coating are for fine cracks and not for joins.

Buy those multipurpose type will do. You can find those at any hardware shops. Buy those "clear' type.
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Alright thanks!

Edit- how foolish of me thinking silicone unable to withstand heat and rain. doh.gif






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I've fix the WC issue but I am not sure how to know if it was fixed, when i touch the corner of the store room wall, it smells kinda musty, by the way that bathroom was rarely use.

QUOTE(cdspins @ Jul 23 2020, 01:58 PM)
Water supposing should always flow down, it is unlikely that it is caused by WC Drain pipe. One way to eliminate that is WC issue is stop using this particular toilet for 1 week and see if the problem reduce.
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QUOTE(gordon12334545 @ Aug 24 2020, 03:11 PM)
I've fix the WC issue but I am not sure how to know if it was fixed, when i touch the corner of the store room wall, it smells kinda musty, by the way that bathroom was rarely use.
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When you can smell musty, it means it's building up molds and it's very bad for your health.
Get it fixed ASAP!


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Hi
I got leaking at vertical wall
Inner wall is inside house
Outside wall is open area
Got a small horizontal crack at outside wall
Is that the reason water come in ?

Also can i use epoxy paint to cover it up ?
Can we put normal paint on top of epoxy paint ?
If cannot, what other way to hide that epoxy (eg. Put 1 thin layer cement on epoxy then sealer then paint ?)

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2nd question
Any similar product like croc crete ?
https://youtu.be/tUNiOsGAcPs

My pipe is clog with few cement fall from small renovations
I've tried vinegar n soda but failed
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hi I got question here.. not sure if this is the correct place

One of my pipe, it was fitted with this kind of pvc plug (square), & it a bit far inside wall... any idea how to open it? Due to its beyond the tile wall, I cannot use adjustable spanner.... It seem overly tight..

is there any T wrench for this size?

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QUOTE(Ulysses @ Sep 6 2020, 12:16 AM)
hi I got question here.. not sure if this is the correct place

One of my pipe, it was fitted with this kind of pvc plug (square), & it a bit far inside wall... any idea how to open it? Due to its beyond the tile wall, I cannot use adjustable spanner.... It seem overly tight..

is there any T wrench for this size?

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Hi
I got leaking at vertical wall
Inner wall is inside house
Outside wall is open area
Got a small horizontal crack at outside wall
Is that the reason water come in ?

Also can i use epoxy paint to cover it up ?
Can we put normal paint on top of epoxy paint ?
If cannot, what other way to hide that epoxy (eg. Put 1 thin layer cement on epoxy then sealer then paint ?)


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Inject silicone on the affect crack areas.
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Inject silicone on the affect crack areas.
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But in future will the crack expand ?
Crack quite long
Thinking to epoxy the crack about 4" x 48"
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But in future will the crack expand ?
Crack quite long
Thinking to epoxy the crack about 4" x 48"
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Silicone is to reduce / prevent water from seeping into the house. Whether the crack appears or expand depends on what causes it ... if is foundation or ground movement, then it will reappear again.
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Water leak thru cracks are not easy fix. You fixed one crack, there are other cracks appear somewhere....endless.

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I have a leak going into my lower floor neighbour.

It is seems to leak from the floor slab.

I already did the epoxy flake coat in my bathroom. So seems that the leak is from internal and will need PU injection? How much will it normally cost?

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Hi, I wanna seek advice on what to do with the leaking probs in my house... really headache, dunno what to do. Dun understand technical stuffs either.

I have 2 spots leaking at home that needs rectifications. This was due to terrible job by developer. I have given up lodging complaints as the problem persists despite XX times they try fixing it, couldnt solve the prob.

First spot: leaking at the car porch... the reason I suspect is due to cracks on the roof... see pics below...

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2nd spot: water marks on plaster ceiling downstairs... leaking from bathroom upstairs. There are some pipes hidden in the plaster ceiling, unable to open up and see. So, not sure if it’s waterproofing issues or piping issues...
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Should I engage plumber or waterproofing specialist? What are some solutions I can look into? Any advice would be appreciated... thank you very much in advance.

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QUOTE(asil66 @ Sep 15 2020, 03:53 PM)
Hi, I wanna seek advice on what to do with the leaking probs in my house... really headache, dunno what to do. Dun understand technical stuffs either.

I have 2 spots leaking at home that needs rectifications. This was due to terrible job by developer. I have given up lodging complaints as the problem persists despite XX times they try fixing it, couldnt solve the prob.

First spot: leaking at the car porch... the reason I suspect is due to cracks on the roof... see pics below...

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2nd spot: water marks on plaster ceiling downstairs... leaking from bathroom upstairs. There are some pipes hidden in the plaster ceiling, unable to open up and see. So, not sure if it’s waterproofing issues or piping issues...
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Should I engage plumber or waterproofing specialist? What are some solutions I can look into? Any advice would be appreciated... thank you very much in advance.
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The fastest route is to remove the downlights and try to see if the water is coming from underneath a pipe.

If space is tight, use a mirror and flashlight to guide you.

(can buy one of those fibreoptic light scope from shoppe which can be connected to your phone)

If you see the watermark is above the slab where there is no water pipe then it is from the balcony.

What project is this may i ask?
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I have a leak going into my lower floor neighbour.

It is seems to leak from the floor slab.

I already did the epoxy flake coat in my bathroom. So seems that the leak is from internal and will need PU injection? How much will it normally cost?

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The last time i checked it costs around rm80-rm150 per injection point.
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Hi
I got leaking at vertical wall
Inner wall is inside house
Outside wall is open area
Got a small horizontal crack at outside wall
Is that the reason water come in ?

Also can i use epoxy paint to cover it up ?
Can we put normal paint on top of epoxy paint ?
If cannot, what other way to hide that epoxy (eg. Put 1 thin layer cement on epoxy then sealer then paint ?)


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I think epoxy product is overkill for your problem.
Just buy a can of acrylic or elastometric paint that can also act as crack filler and apply a few coats at the outside wall should be suffice.
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QUOTE(asil66 @ Sep 15 2020, 03:53 PM)
Hi, I wanna seek advice on what to do with the leaking probs in my house... really headache, dunno what to do. Dun understand technical stuffs either.

I have 2 spots leaking at home that needs rectifications. This was due to terrible job by developer. I have given up lodging complaints as the problem persists despite XX times they try fixing it, couldnt solve the prob.

First spot: leaking at the car porch... the reason I suspect is due to cracks on the roof... see pics below...

user posted image
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user posted image
user posted image

2nd spot: water marks on plaster ceiling downstairs... leaking from bathroom upstairs. There are some pipes hidden in the plaster ceiling, unable to open up and see. So, not sure if it’s waterproofing issues or piping issues...
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Should I engage plumber or waterproofing specialist? What are some solutions I can look into? Any advice would be appreciated... thank you very much in advance.
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For roof can use something like this

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/20kg-pye...co1ei8gnuv63lpf

For Plaster Ceiling, if you know where the pipes run, then it must be the pipe. Otherwise could be the cracked flooring of the bathroom. Just need to get pro to do this. If you just assume bathroom then need to redo flooring which is not cheap. If piping inside ceiling, redo ceiling probably cheaper since not removing whole ceiling
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hi I got question here.. not sure if this is the correct place

One of my pipe, it was fitted with this kind of pvc plug (square), & it a bit far inside wall... any idea how to open it? Due to its beyond the tile wall, I cannot use adjustable spanner.... It seem overly tight..

is there any T wrench for this size?

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This kind of nut driver also can use. If cannot find square, the hex also can fit snugly if right size.

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QUOTE(asil66 @ Sep 15 2020, 03:53 PM)
Hi, I wanna seek advice on what to do with the leaking probs in my house... really headache, dunno what to do. Dun understand technical stuffs either.

I have 2 spots leaking at home that needs rectifications. This was due to terrible job by developer. I have given up lodging complaints as the problem persists despite XX times they try fixing it, couldnt solve the prob.

First spot: leaking at the car porch... the reason I suspect is due to cracks on the roof... see pics below...

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2nd spot: water marks on plaster ceiling downstairs... leaking from bathroom upstairs. There are some pipes hidden in the plaster ceiling, unable to open up and see. So, not sure if it’s waterproofing issues or piping issues...
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Should I engage plumber or waterproofing specialist? What are some solutions I can look into? Any advice would be appreciated... thank you very much in advance.
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I have this problem also, and it's really make you sleepless nights trying to solve it.
I ended up engaging pro to do it that cost me RM20K to re-do everything on the whole house.

Now, it's coming back again the problem...so now saving up another RM20K to redo again....No choice, the only way to solve this is to sell the house and move to a new house and then when the problem comes, sell that house again and move again...until u no longer lives in this world biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(asil66 @ Sep 15 2020, 03:53 PM)
Hi, I wanna seek advice on what to do with the leaking probs in my house... really headache, dunno what to do. Dun understand technical stuffs either.

I have 2 spots leaking at home that needs rectifications. This was due to terrible job by developer. I have given up lodging complaints as the problem persists despite XX times they try fixing it, couldnt solve the prob.

First spot: leaking at the car porch... the reason I suspect is due to cracks on the roof... see pics below...

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2nd spot: water marks on plaster ceiling downstairs... leaking from bathroom upstairs. There are some pipes hidden in the plaster ceiling, unable to open up and see. So, not sure if it’s waterproofing issues or piping issues...
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Should I engage plumber or waterproofing specialist? What are some solutions I can look into? Any advice would be appreciated... thank you very much in advance.
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I have the similar problem ... the slab on the roof where the water reserved tank is located ... I construct roofing tiles to cover the open area and problem solved.

As for the leaking bathroom, cut the plaster ceiling where the leak is using a hacksaw blade to observe whether the leak is from the slab or waste discharge joints.
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QUOTE(kimzee @ Sep 15 2020, 05:02 PM)
I think epoxy product is overkill for your problem.
Just buy a can of acrylic or elastometric paint that can also act as crack filler and apply a few coats at the outside wall should be suffice.
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But i belip this is temporary coz it'll crack again
Heard epoxy is very hard diff to crack
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QUOTE(kimzee @ Sep 15 2020, 04:53 PM)
The fastest route is to remove the downlights and try to see if the water is coming from underneath a pipe.

If space is tight, use a mirror and flashlight to guide you.

(can buy one of those fibreoptic light scope from shoppe which can be connected to your phone)

If you see the watermark is above the slab where there is no water pipe then it is from the balcony.

What project is this may i ask?
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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Sep 15 2020, 06:27 PM)
I have this problem also, and it's really make you sleepless nights trying to solve it.
I ended up engaging pro to do it that cost me RM20K to re-do everything on the whole house.

Now, it's coming back again the problem...so now saving up another RM20K to redo again....No choice, the only way to solve this is to sell the house and move to a new house and then when the problem comes, sell that house again and move again...until u no longer lives in this world biggrin.gif
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Haha..... not every project oso of this quality ba...
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For roof can use something like this

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/20kg-pye...co1ei8gnuv63lpf

For Plaster Ceiling, if you know where the pipes run, then it must be the pipe. Otherwise could be the cracked flooring of the bathroom. Just need to get pro to do this. If you just assume bathroom then need to redo flooring which is not cheap. If piping inside ceiling, redo ceiling probably cheaper since not removing whole ceiling
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I saw some products online that doesn’t require tile hacking on bathroom floor... they pour some liquid onto the floor, then it will go into the cracks n harden... therefore preventing water leakage thru cracks. Not sure if those products really work as advertised.... previously the developer hacked the tiles n redo several times too, but prob still not solved... I really dunno wat is wrong...
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QUOTE(Zot @ Sep 15 2020, 05:36 PM)
This kind of nut driver also can use. If cannot find square, the hex also can fit snugly if right size.

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Haha..... not every project oso of this quality ba...
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QUOTE(asil66 @ Sep 15 2020, 11:51 PM)
I saw some products online that doesn’t require tile hacking on bathroom floor... they pour some liquid onto the floor, then it will go into the cracks n harden... therefore preventing water leakage thru cracks. Not sure if those products really work as advertised.... previously the developer hacked the tiles n redo several times too, but prob still not solved... I really dunno wat is wrong...
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Got also. The Pye one is pink color if I remembered it right. It is liquid form and fill the crack before hardened but remain flexible like silicone, but in this case where to pour?

The contractor did not do good job. The water proofing substance is mixed with cement. Nowadays there are ready made mixture. I think the main problem with your is at the corner where the floor and bathroom wall met. Usually the contractor did not do water proofing on the wall side. It need water proffing like at least 6" from floor. Normally this is the place where leak took place.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Sep 16 2020, 04:36 PM)
Got also. The Pye one is pink color if I remembered it right. It is liquid form and fill the crack before hardened but remain flexible like silicone, but in this case where to pour?

The contractor did not do good job. The water proofing substance is mixed with cement. Nowadays there are ready made mixture. I think the main problem with your is at the corner where the floor and bathroom wall met. Usually the contractor did not do water proofing on the wall side. It need water proffing like at least 6" from floor. Normally this is the place where leak took place.
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Just hack off all the floor tiles and wall tiles and redo just like I did....
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But i belip this is temporary coz it'll crack again
Heard epoxy is very hard diff to crack
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Well of course you can try any product that you think will give you longer term solution.
we are also still learning and just suggesting some alternatives to think about.

Personally i have used these elastometric product on cracks and with 2 coats (applied criss cross on the cracks) + 2 coats of paint (my choice nippon weatherbond) can easily lasts 5-8 years unless the wall has other structural problems.
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QUOTE(kimzee @ Sep 18 2020, 10:25 AM)
Well of course you can try any product that you think will give you longer term solution.
we are also still learning and just suggesting some alternatives to think about.

Personally i have used these elastometric product on cracks and with 2 coats (applied criss cross on the cracks)  + 2 coats of paint (my choice nippon weatherbond) can easily lasts 5-8 years unless the wall has other structural problems.
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This elastometric product u apply to indoor walls or outdoor?
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This elastometric product u apply to indoor walls or outdoor?
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That one I apply to outdoor cracks only before painting.
indoor walls as no water factor if there is cracks can just use putty to fill and repaint.
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QUOTE(kimzee @ Sep 21 2020, 12:09 PM)
That one I apply to outdoor cracks only before painting.
indoor walls as no water factor if there is cracks can just use putty to fill and repaint.
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I am having some issues with my master bathroom (as pictured below). Is this an issue with the piping?

Would appreciate it if anyone could forward their previous contractors that helped waterproof their bathroom(s). I'm located at Ara Damansara.

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That's a leak inside the wall conceal pipe. Need to hack the wall to fix the leak.
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Hmm... is this the edge of a wall for the balcony? Based on your knowledge, do you think there is pipe running through that wall? Usually pipe is not laid at so low but it may be possible that water only drips out from there.

Best is to get more information, like this particular wall in from which area, the toilet, balcony, outside? Possible to get the developer to let you know how the water piping is run as it is usually run directly from main to the bathroom. how bad is the leak, constantly or only during rainy days.
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Hi Daang,

got few questions hope you can assist. for construction of a new house from scratch. below waterproofing sufficient? im not a construction guy so i might get all the terms mixed up

1) foundation & ground slab
a) 1 layer of polyethylene membrane sheet (as vapor barrier)
b) 1-2 layer cementitious waterproofing (before apply floor tiles)

2) toilet & balcony
1-2 layer of cementitious waterproofing (before apply floor tiles)

welcome other suggestions/recommendation..tq
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Hi sifus, while waiting to get the keys of this 3 storey house, noticed a patch as below. Middle floor.

The patch was not there when we went for viewing few months ago.

Behind the wall is neighbouring unit. Is it something leaking from neighbour's house? Or need to hack the wall to check the leak.


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That looks like your outside wall is sipping water into your inside wall.
No need to hack the wall, just check the outside wall for any cracks or not then patch it.
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QUOTE(hinfinitie @ Nov 24 2020, 04:48 PM)
Hi sifus, while waiting to get the keys of this 3 storey house, noticed a patch as below. Middle floor.

The patch was not there when we went for viewing few months ago.

Behind the wall is neighbouring unit. Is it something leaking from neighbour's house? Or need to hack the wall to check the leak.
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By default, your design and neighbour should be the same.

Is rainy season now and any leaking should appear... best to hire someone to check the entire house.
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Hi,

I got a leak into my bathroom from the RC slab above, for a linked house. May I know roughly how much is the market price if I want to do a proper waterproofing from the top?

p/s - the slab area is about 6' x 10'

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You need to fix the leak from above before changing the plaster ceiling.
If not, the problem will come back again.

The cost is depends on how severe and how big the area that needs to fix. So cannot really tell the price from the pic.

But prepare around RM5K.


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My bathroom floors don't seem to have a waterproof layer before the tiles were laid on. I think the house was built in the 80s and don't know if that was the normal way of doing things. So when the tile grout is worn away which is happening too frequently under the shower area, water will seep through the concrete/cement and the water will drip from the ceiling on the floor below.

Instead of re-applying grout (using water resistant grout from pye). Should I apply some sort of penetrating sealer and some sort of waterproof top coat to seal the grout lines?

Or does grout sealer help to protect the grout so that it doesn't get worn away too quickly?

https://shopee.com.my/UFIXX-NO-LEAK-GROUT-T...0836.7447621234

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You need to fix the leak from above before changing the plaster ceiling.
If not, the problem will come back again.

The cost is depends on how severe and how big the area that needs to fix. So cannot really tell the price from the pic.

But prepare around RM5K.
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Thanks for the reply. The RC slab is about 6' x 10'.

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I got a leak into my bathroom from the RC slab above, for a linked house. May I know roughly how much is the market price if I want to do a proper waterproofing from the top?

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Check what is above, in my case it was the bathroom and all that is needed is to reapply the grout lines which is very cheap.
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QUOTE(lowyat101 @ Nov 25 2020, 06:30 PM)
Hi,

I got a leak into my bathroom from the RC slab above, for a linked house. May I know roughly how much is the market price if I want to do a proper waterproofing from the top?

p/s - the slab area is about 6' x 10'

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If you want a cheaper solution, you can diy with Penten. Firstly, clean the slab throughly with water and let it dry. Then use a roller brush to apply Penten with few layers and let if dry completely between each layer. The leak should stop. I diy for my car porch. It will last few years.

Otherwise, you engage an Indon guy. It will cost about RM500 inclusive of fixing back plaster ceiling.

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Thanks for the info. Will check it out if it's easy to climb up there. Else I guess need to spend the RM500

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Hi Daang,

Need your advise on how to resolve this.
The garden balcony is overgrown with wild grass and plants and this has caused leaking to the ceiling below this area.
I intend to remove all the soil bed here and tile it and maybe redo the water proofing. Area is about 10"x12"
How much approx will it cause to fix this excluding the tiles?
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Hi, my house external ceiling on the car porch having leaking issues. Weird are that:

i) today I noticed that it wasn’t leaking at all although raining heavily. Other time when no rain the water was dripping from the ceiling wall, bit by bit;

ii) the water dripping was white in color and there is whitish substance accumulating on the floor.

I have no idea where is the source of leaking. Any advise?


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QUOTE(bcombat @ Dec 7 2020, 06:54 PM)
Hi, my house external ceiling on the car porch having leaking issues. Weird are that:

i) today I noticed that it wasn’t leaking at all although raining heavily. Other time when no rain the water was dripping from the ceiling wall, bit by bit;

ii) the water dripping was white in color and there is whitish substance accumulating on the floor.

I have no idea where is the source of leaking. Any advise?
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Definite is leaking ... just need to know the condition on the other side.
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View from the second floor master room window....the other/upper side of the car porch ceiling

How come leakage is whitish??


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View from the second floor master room window....the other/upper side of the car porch ceiling

How come leakage is whitish??
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There are crack signs on the slab and it appeared 'worn out'. Definite need to redo the waterproofing.


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There are crack signs on the slab and it appeared 'worn out'. Definite need to redo the waterproofing.
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today heavy rain but also not leaking at all
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today heavy rain but also  not leaking at all
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Water need time to travel through the fine crack hence it wont leak immediately.


When water is use to wash a bare cement wall, the waste water will appear whitish.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Dec 7 2020, 08:39 PM)
Water need time to travel through the fine crack hence it wont leak immediately.
When water is use to wash a bare cement wall, the waste water will appear whitish.
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assuming you are right, what is your recommendation?
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Thanks for the info. Will check it out if it's easy to climb up there. Else I guess need to spend the RM500
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It resolved the leaking issue or not?
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Hello, I've bought a 16 year-old house. Saw this mark on the wall. I thought it was pipe broken in the wall but when I checked the metre there's nothing weird in the reading. I need experts opinion on this. What is the cause of these marks? Next to both walls are toilets

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since you need to renovate the old house anyway, I will suggest to redo the water proofing of the toilet and re-tile it both the floor and the wall. On this side, just wash it and paint sealer primer than repaint the wall.
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already paint 2 layers using water proof painting on top the car porch slab. unfortunately, beneath the car porch slab still leakings....2/3 days after raining time. possible water may come from elsewhere??

after new year, i will paint the third layer and hope for miracles. in btw, the waterproof paint brand i used is sikacoat. any comment?


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QUOTE(bcombat @ Dec 30 2020, 11:28 AM)
already paint 2 layers using water proof painting on top the car porch slab. unfortunately, beneath the car porch slab still leakings....2/3 days after raining time. possible water may come from elsewhere??

after new year, i will paint the third layer and hope for miracles. in btw, the waterproof paint brand i used is sikacoat. any comment?
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Maybe you should climb up there and check during the rain, is the water flowing out fast enough... how high the water raise up, did you paint the side of the slabs. My guessing is that this type of leaking is cause by ponding.... and only can been seen few day after heavy downpour.
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QUOTE(bcombat @ Dec 30 2020, 11:28 AM)
already paint 2 layers using water proof painting on top the car porch slab. unfortunately, beneath the car porch slab still leakings....2/3 days after raining time. possible water may come from elsewhere??

after new year, i will paint the third layer and hope for miracles. in btw, the waterproof paint brand i used is sikacoat. any comment?
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Sika is well-known brand for ages. Most contractors prefer this brand because of worry less.

Check for crack (it could be fine line crack) and water ponding. I had same issue because of waterporofing layer cracked due to shrinkage/expansion. Just patched back and painted with another thick layer about 2 weeks ago and monitoring right now. However water ponding (very small 1) still exist because of the miss-align levelling by a little during concrete rendering process.
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QUOTE(cdspins @ Dec 30 2020, 11:21 AM)
since you need to renovate the old house anyway, I will suggest to redo the water proofing of the toilet and re-tile it both the floor and the wall. On this side, just wash it and paint sealer primer than repaint the wall.
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QUOTE(bcombat @ Dec 30 2020, 11:28 AM)
already paint 2 layers using water proof painting on top the car porch slab. unfortunately, beneath the car porch slab still leakings....2/3 days after raining time. possible water may come from elsewhere??

after new year, i will paint the third layer and hope for miracles. in btw, the waterproof paint brand i used is sikacoat. any comment?
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10 layers is what you need...
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QUOTE(bcombat @ Dec 30 2020, 11:28 AM)
already paint 2 layers using water proof painting on top the car porch slab. unfortunately, beneath the car porch slab still leakings....2/3 days after raining time. possible water may come from elsewhere??

after new year, i will paint the third layer and hope for miracles. in btw, the waterproof paint brand i used is sikacoat. any comment?
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It's best result if you do a layer of cementitious waterproof such as Sika-107. Let it cure, and finished with 2 layers of Sikacoat 300. I recommend finished with Bostik Boscoseal AC2.
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QUOTE(bcombat @ Dec 30 2020, 11:28 AM)
already paint 2 layers using water proof painting on top the car porch slab. unfortunately, beneath the car porch slab still leakings....2/3 days after raining time. possible water may come from elsewhere??

after new year, i will paint the third layer and hope for miracles. in btw, the waterproof paint brand i used is sikacoat. any comment?
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It's best result if you do a layer of cementitious waterproof such as Sika-107. Let it cure, and finished with 2 layers of Sikacoat 300. I recommend finished with Bostik Boscoseal AC2.
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QUOTE(Builder_My @ Jan 3 2021, 03:57 PM)
It's best result if you do a layer of cementitious waterproof such as Sika-107. Let it cure, and finished with 2 layers of Sikacoat 300. I recommend finished with Bostik Boscoseal AC2.
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thanks. i think the water may get into cracks from elsewhere
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Hi guys, I'm renovating my leaking toilet.

Can someone introduce me the waterproof coating? What's the best brand?

Can anyone enlightened me because I want to ensure the worker done correctly.

After they are done with the cement, they will put the waterproof coating. Is that correct?

After that what else to layer before put on mosaic?

Please help sifu
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Hi guys, I'm renovating my leaking toilet.

Can someone introduce me the waterproof coating? What's the best brand?

Can anyone enlightened me because I want to ensure the worker done correctly.

After they are done with the cement, they will put the waterproof coating. Is that correct?

After that what else to layer before put on mosaic?

Please help sifu
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The waterproof works should be done before laying tiles.
Any coatings on top of tiles are prone to fade off.

"Sika" is a good brand for waterproofing materials, go for it.
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10 layers is what you need...
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Haha... good one.
But just a note, not necessary more layer of waterproof will work better.
In some scenario, when the layer is too thick. It may bubble and when it pop, waterproof layer will leak.... cool2.gif

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Haha... good one.
But just a note, not necessary more layer of waterproof will work better.
In some scenario, when the layer is too thick. It may bubble and when it pop, waterproof layer will leak....  cool2.gif

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QUOTE(Snoy @ Jan 4 2021, 11:47 AM)
The waterproof works should be done before laying tiles.
Any coatings on top of tiles are prone to fade off.

"Sika" is a good brand for waterproofing materials, go for it.
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But the contractor ask me to buy blue color pentens

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If balcony water leaking and don't want to heck the tiles. Any waterproof coating to use?
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that’s how my house concrete slab above the car porch look like

red arrow - leaking point beneath the metal plate

yellow arrow - slab flooring with crack which I initially thought it is culprit. But already paint 3 layer of waterproof paint and more paint was input onto the small crack area. Can’t really seen the crack anymore because already cover up by the hardening/ dry up paint.

dark blue arrow- my own suspicion the water may also get in on the joining points btw the metal plate and the wall. plan to use silicone glue to seal it up. hope it work.

anyway, i felt up with this issue already...if still don’t resolved, i leave it as it is.

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view from another angle - master bedroom window
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thanks. i think the water may get into cracks from elsewhere
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I had seen water leaks resulted from wall plugs, either AC compressor bracket or Astro satellite dish
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to recap - before waterproof painting
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https://mys.sika.com/en/construction/roof-s...s-membrane.html
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But the contractor ask me to buy blue color pentens
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Pentens waterproof is just a paint. It works but won't last long.

QUOTE(sonicmaster @ Jan 4 2021, 09:07 PM)
If balcony water leaking and don't want to heck the tiles. Any waterproof coating to use?
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Awning will work but costly.
Alternatively, if you are sure tiles floor is the culprit, try to re-grout with waterproof grout.
Lastly, the cheapest solution is to apply waterproof grout sealer but this won't last long...

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QUOTE(Snoy @ Jan 5 2021, 11:27 AM)
Pentens waterproof is just a paint. It works but won't last long.
Awning will work but costly.
Alternatively, if you are sure tiles floor is the culprit, try to re-grout with waterproof grout.
Lastly, the cheapest solution is to apply waterproof grout sealer but this won't last long...
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Then which one better?

If below is not good

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QUOTE(Snoy @ Jan 5 2021, 11:27 AM)
Pentens waterproof is just a paint. It works but won't last long.
Awning will work but costly.
Alternatively, if you are sure tiles floor is the culprit, try to re-grout with waterproof grout.
Lastly, the cheapest solution is to apply waterproof grout sealer but this won't last long...
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was told the waterproof paint work on small crack.
not the major or bigger cracks areas
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bcombat, so right now you park your car outside of your house because of the leaks from your car porch roof?
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Just curious, why you only paint on the area that protrude from the surface, why the area that is sunken is not painted?
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Just curious, why you only paint on the area that protrude from the surface, why the area that is sunken is not painted?
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drain on car porch slab. but I already paint one layer onto it earlier
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drain on car porch slab. but I already paint one layer onto it earlier
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Disclaimer: I am not a waterproofing specialist, just sharing my opinion.

hi bcombat,

1. based on your photo, I think it is pretty obvious that the water is seeping out from the cement screed layer. So it is correct that you waterproof the whole slab surface. However, you need to ensure you cover the whole area thoroughly, including the drain. Because if you miss out any small corner or small cracks, rainwater still can seep through.

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2. since now you're directly applying waterproof coating on top of your car porch slab, which is exposed. Make sure your waterproof material is meant for exposed coating application. Because most waterproof material is NOT meant for exposed application. They usually will need a protective layer (cement screed layer) to avoid direct sunlight and weather. Otherwise, the waterproof coating will lose its function over time.

3. to quickly examine the effectiveness of the waterproofing coating. you should immediately do ponding test for the slab after the coating is dried.

4. if the problem is persistent i would advise you to engage a professional waterproofing specialist nstead of trial and error on your own. As i know, some provide bituminous membrane installation for upwards of 10 years warranty. they will come to fix any leakages within the 10 years period. at least you get peace of mind for 10 years.
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drain on car porch slab. but I already paint one layer onto it earlier
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I see... hmm... I guess the next step is what other forumer suggested to do a ponding test.
Maybe try to localized it to the drain area.
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Torch on membrane is the only way to fix this problem from occurring for another 10+ years.

So after another 10+ years, do again torch on membrane. Save cost and less headache in the long run.


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If renovate toilet. Redo all. Usually do they cover whole toilet with Waterproof. Or just below part
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If renovate toilet. Redo all. Usually do they cover whole toilet with Waterproof. Or just below part
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It all comes down to cost. You can request to do whole toilet waterproof but it will not be cheap.
Usually just water proof the bottom part, and also 1 tile above the floor should be enough.
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Water leaking from my ceiling and needs some work.
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QUOTE(cdspins @ Jan 11 2021, 11:55 AM)
It all comes down to cost. You can request to do whole toilet waterproof but it will not be cheap.
Usually just water proof the bottom part, and also 1 tile above the floor should be enough.
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have anyone tried fiberglass waterproofing like the one below?
They giving 3 years warranty.
https://kstopwaterproofing.com/ks-nanotechn...-waterproofing/

How is the effect as compare to hacking, redo waterproofing and retiling?
The contractor who do hacking retiling only giving 1 year warranty saja.
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Guys, going to get into a new - subsale house on april. my porch style is a concrete slab as well. what can i do to prevent all this waterleaking on the porch roof.
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For bathroom, if do retiling, need to waterproof the walls too?
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Dear TS,

I have leaking underneath bathroom slab in my brand new house. The contractor said there is some crack underneath the slab that causes the waterproofing to fail. So he suggested PU injection to solve the problem. I refuse to have PU injection because there is electrical wirings inside the false ceiling and wiring + combustible PU is a fire hazard. He said that even if we redo waterproofing, the problem will persist since the slab is crack.

My question is, is it true that redoing the waterproofing + retiling wouldn't solve the problem? Or he is just trying to trick me to agree with cheaper solution?
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 19 2021, 03:44 PM)
Dear TS,

I have leaking underneath bathroom slab in my brand new house. The contractor said there is some crack underneath the slab that causes the waterproofing to fail. So he suggested PU injection to solve the problem. I refuse to have PU injection because there is electrical wirings inside the false ceiling and wiring + combustible PU is a fire hazard. He said that even if we redo waterproofing, the problem will persist since the slab is crack.

My question is, is it true that redoing the waterproofing + retiling wouldn't solve the problem? Or he is just trying to trick me to agree with cheaper solution?
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Cementitious Waterproofing + retiling should be able to fix the problem. This kind of contractor better avoid, PU injection in this case is a big NO NO.
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Cementitious Waterproofing + retiling should be able to fix the problem. This kind of contractor better avoid, PU injection in this case is a big NO NO.
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Thanks. I cannot avoid the contractor because they are developer’s contractor and the house is under DLP. But then of course I don’t trust developer’s contractor because I know their solution is to find cheapest way to hide the problem until DLP ends sweat.gif
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Thanks. I cannot avoid the contractor because they are developer’s contractor and the house is under DLP. But then of course I don’t trust developer’s contractor because I know their solution is to find cheapest way to hide the problem until DLP ends sweat.gif
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The best solution is to hack open the floor and redo again.

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The best solution is to hack open the floor and redo again.
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That was what I asked them to do. Thanks thumbup.gif
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I'm not sure why. Only after 1 month staying in new house (just developed), the bathroom white grout changed color to grey cement color? Not sure if developer took shortcuts with cheap materials.

Want to re-grout the bathroom now. Between these 2, which is better to buy?
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good morning guys, i just moved into my new condo one month ago and few days ago management contacted me saying the house below complaint about water leakage from my unit.

i did not hack the toilet or anything, it is all original from the developer

may i know usually how much it cost to do PU injection?

honestly i dont wan to pay a single sen as this is obviously a defect from the developer side but management say developer wont do anything coz i already signed off the defect form.

so now have to wait and see what does the owner downstairs wan to do
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QUOTE(chinti @ Feb 5 2021, 08:47 AM)
good morning guys, i just moved into my new condo one month ago and few days ago management contacted me saying the house below complaint about water leakage from my unit.

i did not hack the toilet or anything, it is all original from the developer

may i know usually how much it cost to do PU injection?

honestly i dont wan to pay a single sen as this is obviously a defect from the developer side but management say developer wont do anything coz i already signed off the defect form.

so now have to wait and see what does the owner downstairs wan to do
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It should be still under the (usual) 2 years DLP, no?
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Feb 5 2021, 09:38 AM)
It should be still under the (usual) 2 years DLP, no?
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QUOTE(chinti @ Feb 5 2021, 10:17 AM)
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Ahh then it is on your responsibility to fix already.
The more futureproof solution is to hack off all the tiles and redo waterproofing layer and retile (if its leaking from the tiles area).
If its leaking from the WC drain pipe outline (got gap between the drain hole and the drain pipe) then its a smaller fix.

The temp fixes like PU injection or simply redo grout doesn't solve the root cause that allow water to seep in through the untreated floor slab. Then MO or neighbour will ding dong ur doorbell again to complain.

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Feb 6 2021, 06:11 PM)
Ahh then it is on your responsibility to fix already.
The more futureproof solution is to hack off all the tiles and redo waterproofing layer and retile (if its leaking from the tiles area).
If its leaking from the WC drain pipe outline (got gap between the drain hole and the drain pipe) then its a smaller fix.

The temp fixes like PU injection or simply redo grout doesn't solve the root cause that allow water to seep in through the untreated floor slab. Then MO or neighbour will ding dong ur doorbell again to complain.
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Yeah. PU injection is definitely a short term solution. In the apartment I stayed last time, problem reoccured after 8-9 months of injection, then inject again, then happened again and again.

In my current house, developer do injection as solution and in most houses, problem reoccured again after 6-7 months. My unit, I insist them redo the whole waterproofing. The original waterproofing was so bad, both my toilets upstairs leaked sweat.gif

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QUOTE(hirano @ Jan 27 2021, 09:59 PM)
I'm not sure why. Only after 1 month staying in new house (just developed), the bathroom white grout changed color to grey cement color? Not sure if developer took shortcuts with cheap materials.

Want to re-grout the bathroom now. Between these 2, which is better to buy?
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The 2nd one is definitely not amateur friendly. I tried to top up some missing grout in my kitchen and it took me few hours to complete a small section using powdered grout sweat.gif

The first one seems more user friendly. Alternatively, you might consider Mapei Fuga Fresca (which is like school shoe’s chalk in old days) or Mapei Grout Refresh (might not be available in Malaysia and have to buy from Amazon).
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whether some nano material. such as Surfapore C. can effectively do the waterproof without hacking the tiles?
Has anyone tried company Nano-G water proof method?
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Feb 6 2021, 06:11 PM)
Ahh then it is on your responsibility to fix already.
The more futureproof solution is to hack off all the tiles and redo waterproofing layer and retile (if its leaking from the tiles area).
If its leaking from the WC drain pipe outline (got gap between the drain hole and the drain pipe) then its a smaller fix.

The temp fixes like PU injection or simply redo grout doesn't solve the root cause that allow water to seep in through the untreated floor slab. Then MO or neighbour will ding dong ur doorbell again to complain.
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hmm alright, MO say will send specialist to check first after MCO.
the weird part is the leak is on the other side of the wall instead of directly below the toilet tiles.
the layout is like this, behind the living room wall is the toilet, so now the wall that become yellowish is the living room part of the wall not the toilet part of the wall.
im guessing this is more like internal pipe leaking instead of fail waterproofing from the tiles

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QUOTE(chinti @ Feb 8 2021, 08:51 AM)
hmm alright, MO say will send specialist to check first after MCO.
the weird part is the leak is on the other side of the wall instead of directly below the toilet tiles.
the layout is like this, behind the living room wall is the toilet, so now the wall that become yellowish is the living room part of the wall not the toilet part of the wall.
im guessing this is more like internal pipe leaking instead of fail waterproofing from the tiles
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I face this problem too, not water pipe leak because water bill is low..
It seeps through the wall over time because grout lines not good + waterproofing cement layer of bathroom tiles failed.

[Toilet) (Tiles) (Wall) (bedroom paint ° ° °) (Bedroom)

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If the position is higher than the tiles (if you are half height tiled) it could be pipe leak in your case. Or aircon pipe leak?

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whether some nano material. such as  Surfapore C. can effectively do the waterproof without hacking the tiles?
Has anyone tried company Nano-G water proof method?
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Definitely no and is only a temporary solution, it is also only a marketing gimmick. Be it the N brand or other repellent in the market, they are just water repellent and still back to the main question - is the root cause being solved? If no, then you have your answer to your question already.
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Hi, would like to seek opinion / experience from lowyat members.

Recently I noticed that my water meter reading has been running though there is no water usage at home and I have off the tap to tank.

Likely it's due to underground pipe leakage. Is re-piping the only solution?

Thanks
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QUOTE(ljchiun @ Feb 12 2021, 08:59 AM)
Hi, would like to seek opinion / experience from lowyat members.

Recently I noticed that my water meter reading has been running though there is no water usage at home and I have off the tap to tank.

Likely it's due to underground pipe leakage. Is re-piping the only solution?

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Excessive water usage, leak or otherwise gets exponentially more expensive after the first 35m3. It would depend on the leakage amount and/or current bill amount now.
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QUOTE(ljchiun @ Feb 12 2021, 08:59 AM)
Hi, would like to seek opinion / experience from lowyat members.

Recently I noticed that my water meter reading has been running though there is no water usage at home and I have off the tap to tank.

Likely it's due to underground pipe leakage. Is re-piping the only solution?

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Do by-pass piping...all the pipes expose outside.
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I have paint peeling and a crumbling on an nterior wall, the other side of the wall is the exterior wall. I'm assuming it is water seeping from rain.
And another problem, the wall behind the ensuite toilet is also having the same paint peeling problem.
We have done the treatment (can't say what it was) once but it is now back.
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QUOTE(dickybird @ Feb 18 2021, 07:47 PM)
I have paint peeling and a crumbling on an nterior wall, the other side of the wall is the exterior wall. I'm assuming it is water seeping from rain.
And another problem,  the wall behind the ensuite toilet is also having the same paint peeling problem.
We have done the treatment (can't say what it was) once but it is now back.
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Then it could be small cracks on the exterior wall that lets the water seep into it or it could be water pipe inside that is leaking.
Check to see if there is water pipe routing in that wall or not.

If really got water pipe, then no choice, hacking the wall and repair the leaky pipe or do by-pass altogether.

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Photos are condition of the unit below after 3 months. The specialist send by management say need hack wall to check isit piping issue or not but my specialist said confirm not piping issue but is my tiles waterproofing failing.

He suggest doing water grouting rather than spending tons of money to hack tiles to redo waterproofing for a newly owned house.

He giving one year guarantee on the water grouting.

Is water grouting gonna solve this issue?

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QUOTE(chinti @ Mar 18 2021, 06:48 PM)
Photos are condition of the unit below after 3 months. The specialist send by management say need hack wall to check isit piping issue or not but my specialist said confirm not piping issue but is my tiles waterproofing failing.

He suggest doing water grouting rather than spending tons of money to hack tiles to redo waterproofing for a newly owned house.

He giving one year guarantee on the water grouting.

Is water grouting gonna solve this issue?

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QUOTE(chinti @ Mar 18 2021, 06:48 PM)
Photos are condition of the unit below after 3 months. The specialist send by management say need hack wall to check isit piping issue or not but my specialist said confirm not piping issue but is my tiles waterproofing failing.

He suggest doing water grouting rather than spending tons of money to hack tiles to redo waterproofing for a newly owned house.

He giving one year guarantee on the water grouting.

Is water grouting gonna solve this issue?

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What’s above? What room? The floor get wet due to rain splash in?

And the curtain there , means it is window?

I would suspect the window unit above and below first for any leaks through the window frame.

No point waterproofing non bathroom area. For non bathroom area just make sure the floor is not wet. Moping is ok as the water dries fast

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Hi my master bedroom having water leakage to downstair.
Total area is around 3.5m2

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Need suggestion does those Shoppe Grout/Tile seal able to work?
My another bathroom, contractor fix with 1.3K, which they also told me using kind of coating.

So I thinking any DIY solutions? I dont mind do it slowly as having 2nd bathroom and stop using master bathroom for a while.
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Mar 31 2021, 09:28 PM)
Hi my master bedroom having water leakage to downstair.
Total area is around 3.5m2

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My Master Bathroom
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Need suggestion does those Shoppe Grout/Tile seal able to work?
My another bathroom, contractor fix with 1.3K, which they also told me using kind of coating.

So I thinking any DIY solutions? I dont mind do it slowly as having 2nd bathroom and stop using master bathroom for a while.
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Ewwww...so gross. Some more is inside bathroom.
Maybe time to demolish the upstairs bathroom floor and re-do waterproofing.
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Mar 31 2021, 09:28 PM)
Hi my master bedroom having water leakage to downstair.
Total area is around 3.5m2

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Need suggestion does those Shoppe Grout/Tile seal able to work?
My another bathroom, contractor fix with 1.3K, which they also told me using kind of coating.

So I thinking any DIY solutions? I dont mind do it slowly as having 2nd bathroom and stop using master bathroom for a while.
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diy?

seal the floor trap with plasticin. buy the solution on your own and flood the floor with it. something like pye waterpruf sealer is cheap. let it sit for a day and drain any excess solution. then let it dry on its own. total time from start to dry will take a few days. and it will smell quite strong. so make sure the door can be closed to lessen the smell spread to other area.

total cost of all the materials should be less than rm 150.

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QUOTE(slimey @ Apr 2 2021, 03:36 PM)
diy?

seal the floor trap with plasticin. buy the solution on your own and flood the floor with it.  something like pye waterpruf sealer is cheap. let it sit for a day and drain any excess solution. then let it dry on its own. total time from start to dry will take a few days. and it will smell quite strong. so make sure the door can be closed to lessen the smell spread to other area.

total cost of all the materials should be less than rm 150.
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PYE better or UFIXX?
https://shopee.com.my/PYE-Waterpruf-Sealer-...0051.3749008914
https://shopee.com.my/UFIXX-1L-No-Leak-Grou...9461.6132039710
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Apr 3 2021, 07:54 PM)
no idea about ufixx.

i used pye before personally.....still no leak after a few years.
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QUOTE(slimey @ Apr 3 2021, 10:05 PM)
no idea about ufixx.

i used pye before personally.....still no leak after a few years.
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Thanks, I'll give a try
you using how many bottle for your bathroom (size?)
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Thanks, I'll give a try
you using how many bottle for your bathroom (size?)
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my case is leak of unknown point. so i use a paint brush to paint thin layer on the floor and a few feet of the wall.

bathroom size about 2meter X 4meter...... use about 1 litre.

your case is quite clearly the floor with emphasis on the edge between floor and wall.....common place where technique of applying waterproof cement fails.


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QUOTE(slimey @ Apr 3 2021, 10:48 PM)
my case is leak of unknown point. so i use a paint brush to paint thin layer on the floor and a few feet of the wall.

bathroom size about 2meter X 4meter...... use about 1 litre.

your case is quite clearly the floor with emphasis on the edge between floor and wall.....common place where technique of applying waterproof cement fails.
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Received the item.
According to instruction, its shall apply several coat in wet and dont leave too long between each coating.

Any issue if I leave a thick coat for a day? then drain the access? Will be become a thick layer on top that hard to remove?
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Received the item.
According to instruction, its shall apply several coat in wet and dont leave too long between each coating.

Any issue if I leave a thick coat for a day? then drain the access? Will be become a thick layer on top that hard to remove?
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I think the don’t leave too long between each coating idea is to keep the surface wet with the solution so the surface can absorb as much as it can.

From my experience it takes a very long time to dry....

It actually doesn’t dry, it gets absorbed into the surface. I don’t experience any film or layer of material on top after the surface doesn’t feel wet or slippery.

Well, your floor, method of application is up to you. If my experience is true then it probably means the method of application is very forgiving.

Maybe drain excess not more than a few hours....perhaps leaving for a day is too excessive haha.



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Just bought a new house. There's a floor roof with a room one-level below. What's a good waterproofing method since I'll be converting that floor roof into a balcony?
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Just bought a new house. There's a floor roof with a room one-level below. What's a good waterproofing method since I'll be converting that floor roof into a balcony?
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if there are tiles on the floor of the balcony......then cementitious waterproofing method is the choice. need to ensure proper slope for water runoff and drainage of the water
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if there are tiles on the floor of the balcony......then cementitious waterproofing method is the choice. need to ensure proper slope for water runoff and drainage of the water
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No tiles. Just flat concrete roof. Already growing mold. So probably need to hack 1-2" deep and re-cement. Since going to hack the floor, I want to do waterproofing right.
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hi, not sure if this is the correct place to ask.

1) im facing leakage of water from the roof of my car porch when i switch on the air-con only, not when raining. How can I solve this?

2) Beside, same car porch, water leaking in between my car porch and awning when raining.

3) water flowing out from the kitchen sink is very very slow. Previously, the plumber said maybe the piping underground got problem hence he used some gas/air to clear the pipe temporary. the condition was solved for few minutes and the issue came back until now. Do I need to rebuild the whole piping?


Can anyone provide me some suggestion? My previous contractor was the worst of all and I have to stop him before burning out my money.
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I noticed that there was a leak downstairs from my first floor toilet, i have engaged a few contractors to check and fix and the problem is still not solved. There is no one using the toilet since its a guest room, i only go in to wash the toilet and noticed the leakage.

I have tested to determine if its a tile waterproof or internal piping issue by turning on the stopper (after few weeks of non usage / non cleaning), within a day, there will be leak to the bottom ceiling.

One of the contractor claimed there is a crack in the concrete upon inspection from below, another claimed there is a crack in the drainage hole. A couple of them just don't contact me anymore after inspection despite promising a quotation.

One of the contractor tried waterproofing the floor tiles and still leaking. Another contractor suggested pulling new pipes from the ceiling (no hacking of tiles).

Appreciate any thoughts on this matter, if its a truly internal piping issue or other possibility.

House (and toilet) is newly renovated for about three years.
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QUOTE(iconic123 @ Apr 10 2021, 05:06 PM)
I noticed that there was a leak downstairs from my first floor toilet, i have engaged a few contractors to check and fix and the problem is still not solved. There is no one using the toilet since its a guest room, i only go in to wash the toilet and noticed the leakage.

I have tested to determine if its a tile waterproof or internal piping issue by turning on the stopper (after few weeks of non usage / non cleaning), within a day, there will be leak to the bottom ceiling.

One of the contractor claimed there is a crack in the concrete upon inspection from below, another claimed there is a crack in the drainage hole. A couple of them just don't contact me anymore after inspection despite promising a quotation.

One of the contractor tried waterproofing the floor tiles and still leaking. Another contractor suggested pulling new pipes from the ceiling (no hacking of tiles).

Appreciate any thoughts on this matter, if its a truly internal piping issue or other possibility.

House (and toilet) is newly renovated for about three years.
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Most likely is pipe leaks inside the wall.
Need to hack the wall to check.
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QUOTE(ktfong @ Apr 9 2021, 03:15 PM)
hi, not sure if this is the correct place to ask.

1) im facing leakage of water from the roof of my car porch when i switch on the air-con only, not when raining. How can I solve this?

2) Beside, same car porch, water leaking in between my car porch and awning when raining.

3) water flowing out from the kitchen sink is very very slow. Previously, the plumber said maybe the piping underground got problem hence he used some gas/air to clear the pipe temporary. the condition was solved for few minutes and the issue came back until now. Do I need to rebuild the whole piping?
Can anyone provide me some suggestion? My previous contractor was the worst of all and I have to stop him before burning out my money.
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For number 1, maybe just install a new outflow piping for the aircond. I think there is not economical to check old aircond outflow piping... aircond outflow pipe may also be stuck with jellish substance after long usage years

For number 2, probably the seal between the awning and car porch concrete have give way, remove and reseal it will do

For number 3, have you try the simplest plunger and wire pipe cleaner to try to clear it... these tool can be gotten from Mr.DIY or hardware shop cheaply and at least solve ourself first... it it does not work, you will only then consider repiping
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QUOTE(iconic123 @ Apr 10 2021, 05:06 PM)
I noticed that there was a leak downstairs from my first floor toilet, i have engaged a few contractors to check and fix and the problem is still not solved. There is no one using the toilet since its a guest room, i only go in to wash the toilet and noticed the leakage.

I have tested to determine if its a tile waterproof or internal piping issue by turning on the stopper (after few weeks of non usage / non cleaning), within a day, there will be leak to the bottom ceiling.

One of the contractor claimed there is a crack in the concrete upon inspection from below, another claimed there is a crack in the drainage hole. A couple of them just don't contact me anymore after inspection despite promising a quotation.

One of the contractor tried waterproofing the floor tiles and still leaking. Another contractor suggested pulling new pipes from the ceiling (no hacking of tiles).

Appreciate any thoughts on this matter, if its a truly internal piping issue or other possibility.

House (and toilet) is newly renovated for about three years.
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Just to clarify, you mention "I have tested to determine if its a tile waterproof or internal piping issue by turning on the stopper (after few weeks of non usage / non cleaning), within a day, there will be leak to the bottom ceiling." Just to be specific on the stopper, you are referring to what? My understanding is that if you close the valve for the toilet (whole toilet no water even if you turn on the tap), there is no leakage, but once you turn it back on, even if you do not use the toilet, there is leak?
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Hey Shifus,

Recently I've spent a huge sum of money to replace all the old cement roof tiles of mine to new Monier ones, to mitigate small leaks and to prepare for a planned new ceiling (17k MYR).

The contractor in charge did such a sh**ty job that now a few of my rooms are practically raining when heavy rain is in occurrence. My ceilings are all completely drenched. I have since ended my relationship with the prior contractor (Paid only 8k and ended contract) and are now consulting a new one which recommends either aluminium foil or zinc sheet to be installed under the current roof tiles.

Should I agree with this ? Please advice me as i want to prepare to redo my ceiling ASAP.

Home is 1.5k sqft.

Aluminium sheet installation quote = 1.7k
Zinc sheet installation quote = 2.5k
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Hey Shifus,

Recently I've spent a huge sum of money to replace all the old cement roof tiles of mine to new Monier ones, to mitigate small leaks and to prepare for a planned new ceiling (17k MYR).

The contractor in charge did such a sh**ty job that now a few of my rooms are practically raining when heavy rain is in occurrence. My ceilings are all completely drenched. I have since ended my relationship with the prior contractor (Paid only 8k and ended contract) and are now consulting a new one which recommends either aluminium foil or zinc sheet to be installed under the current roof tiles.

Should I agree with this ? Please advice me as i want to prepare to redo my ceiling ASAP.

Home is 1.5k sqft.

Aluminium sheet installation quote = 1.7k
Zinc sheet installation quote = 2.5k
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I don't see how's that going to stop the leak. That is heat reduction and most likely to move the drench location to new spot. smile.gif
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Hey Shifus,

Recently I've spent a huge sum of money to replace all the old cement roof tiles of mine to new Monier ones, to mitigate small leaks and to prepare for a planned new ceiling (17k MYR).

The contractor in charge did such a sh**ty job that now a few of my rooms are practically raining when heavy rain is in occurrence. My ceilings are all completely drenched. I have since ended my relationship with the prior contractor (Paid only 8k and ended contract) and are now consulting a new one which recommends either aluminium foil or zinc sheet to be installed under the current roof tiles.

Should I agree with this ? Please advice me as i want to prepare to redo my ceiling ASAP.

Home is 1.5k sqft.

Aluminium sheet installation quote = 1.7k
Zinc sheet installation quote = 2.5k
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During raining those two materials will produce pistol shooting like sound. Worst is during heavy thunderstorm .... machine gun shooting sound.

During the day, the heat in the house is like inside a sauna room.

I think your problem is not only due to poor workmanship but the low gradient of the roof to prevent a quick flow of rain water.

Is it possible to take some photos of the complete roof and close shot (zoom)
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During raining those two materials will produce pistol shooting like sound. Worst is during heavy thunderstorm .... machine gun shooting sound.

During the day, the heat in the house is like inside a sauna room.

I think your problem is not only due to poor workmanship but the low gradient of the roof to prevent a quick flow of rain water.

Is it possible to take some photos of the complete roof and close shot (zoom)
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This situation is really stressing me out, if what options do I have other than the metal sheets?

These are the pictures of the new roof:

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This situation is really stressing me out, if what options do I have other than the metal sheets?

These are the pictures of the new roof:

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From the photos, it looks ok except the cement to seal the gaps is not neat and smooth.

Sometime during heavy rain and strong wind, the tiles will lift slightly and rain water will seep in and flow through the truss to differentt locations. The leak at one place doesnt mean the leak is from that part of the roof tile.

I notice your unit is an endlot. Is the side of the tiles has any covering ? Rain water can also seap through the gaps.

Checking a bad leak is only good during heavy rain and I will tell the contractor the possible areas. So far everything is good.

What about your neighbour ?

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Is there a gutter indicated red ? A blockage can cause overflow and water flowing inside.

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The patching job is so bad. I think it's cheap then...
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Aug 26 2021, 08:15 PM)
From the photos, it looks ok except the cement to seal the gaps is not neat and smooth.

Sometime during heavy rain and strong wind, the tiles will lift slightly and rain water will seep in and flow through the truss to differentt locations. The leak at one place doesnt mean the leak is from that part of the roof tile.

I notice your unit is an endlot. Is the side of the tiles has any covering ? Rain water can also seap through the gaps.

Checking a bad leak is only good during heavy rain and I will tell the contractor the possible areas. So far everything is good.

What about your neighbour ?

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Is there a gutter indicated red ? A blockage can cause overflow and water flowing inside.
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Neighbour has no leakage whatsover, the leak in my house is actually so bad this is my current ceiling condition:

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Any advice on how to solve my issues?
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Neighbour has no leakage whatsover, the leak in my house is actually so bad this is my current ceiling condition:

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Any advice on how to solve my issues?
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I think it need quite a large volume of rainwater leak to create the ceiling condition and I suspect is the ovetflow gutter.

I suggest you engage an Indon guy to check on the gutter first. Ask him to take photos before and after.

Since the ceiling board need to be replaced, I suggest to remove it also. Is also easier to check for leaking when it rain.

Replacing the entire new roof tiles wont solve your problem.

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The ceiling image you show it is at the front part... of your house... living area right?.. the first picture roof tiles is the back portion of the roof tiles or front portion?

The gutter session that mini orchard circled, does it correspond to the leaking? Is it located on top of the ceiling?
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I was quoted by a supplier to install a single membrane layer + 2 layers of waterproof sealant for my rooftop..

RM7500 including cleaning and 5 years warranty. About 105sqm area. How's the price?

It's not an empty rooftop, there's the solar heater, water tank, pumps, and all sorts of angle bars to support a tedious piping networks.
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I was quoted by a supplier to install a single membrane layer + 2 layers of waterproof sealant for my rooftop..

RM7500 including cleaning and 5 years warranty. About 105sqm area. How's the price?

It's not an empty rooftop, there's the solar heater, water tank, pumps, and all sorts of angle bars to support a tedious piping networks.
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Hi guys do you know of any contractor/plumber that does inspection for condo in KL area? My floor has magical water seeping upwards in the kitchen area.

This is strange bcuz it's not from the ceiling, which is the usual problem. Another thing is it's on and off and not continuous so it's hard to pinpoint where it's coming from.
There are 5-6 spots where the seepage is, sometimes it all comes at once, sometimes only one spot. Water bill is still consistent so maybe minor leak for now. Could it be outlet pipes? I've no clue and reached a dead end.

I've tried contacting plumbers around and they're reluctant to do such work bcuz it requires a lot of hacking. Is there no device or technique to detect the seepage/leak from within the wall?
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Hi guys do you know of any contractor/plumber that does inspection for condo in KL area? My floor has magical water seeping upwards in the kitchen area.

This is strange bcuz it's not from the ceiling, which is the usual problem. Another thing is it's on and off and not continuous so it's hard to pinpoint where it's coming from.
There are 5-6 spots where the seepage is, sometimes it all comes at once, sometimes only one spot. Water bill is still consistent so maybe minor leak for now. Could it be outlet pipes? I've no clue and reached a dead end.

I've tried contacting plumbers around and they're reluctant to do such work bcuz it requires a lot of hacking. Is there no device or technique to detect the seepage/leak from within the wall?
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Have you try asking the management for advise ? Ask them if they have the plans or drawings for the entire condo.

This is also an 'opportunity' to change the entire kitchen floor tiles.

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Have you try asking the management for advise ? Ask them if they have the plans or drawings for the entire condo.

This is also an 'opportunity' to change the entire kitchen floor tiles.
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Yes I have. The thing is that in my aunt's condo the management would solve such an issue but unfortunately mine won't take the responsibility. Just need a recommendation here... Mould has start to spread...
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Yes I have. The thing is that in my aunt's condo the management would solve such an issue but unfortunately mine won't take the responsibility. Just need a recommendation here... Mould has start to spread...
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You can try to approach any Indon worker. He is more likely to do the job compare to locals. Try to approach the condo maintenance guys also. They will have contacts

From experienced, those locals prefer good money and easy work.

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Aug 28 2021, 09:55 AM)
You can try to approach any Indon worker. He is more likely to do the job compare to locals. Try to approach the condo maintenance guys also. They will have contacts

From experienced, those locals prefer good money and easy work.
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Agree but this is not a simple task haha... For general works I would get the foreigners, but this one need warranty and proper work done. So the search continues...
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Hi Sifus

need some advise on costing, wanted to do a zinc capping between the wall and roof tles on my roof for a house (23 x 75) due to leaking.

anyone has recently did such job? any good contracctor recommend?


Thank you in advance.
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usually how many layer of waterproofing is needed for toilet ?
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Hi sifu, I recently completed the torch membrane waterproof 3 days ago. Today raining and a little bit of leaking from the roof slab. The contractor informed me that due to the pressure of the rains as the concrete slab is not totally dry yet. Is it true?
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Hi sifu, I recently completed the torch membrane waterproof 3 days ago. Today raining and a little bit of leaking from the roof slab. The contractor informed me that due to the pressure of the rains as the concrete slab is not totally dry yet. Is it true?
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No .... for water to leaking again, all it need is a small or tiny gap or crack.
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There's now water leak in my porch ceiling per pic below. Definitely the water is sipping fro the drainage fro upper roofing per pic. What product and diy method can I water proof it?

The drainage was water proofed few years ago at $600 though. Aircond water piping does not drip into the drainage instead via another piping into proper hole on the roof

Previously contractor suggested changing the whole drainage which costs $1200😡


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There's now water leak in my porch ceiling per pic below. Definitely the water is sipping fro the drainage fro upper roofing per pic. What product and diy method can I water proof it?

The drainage was water proofed few years ago at $600 though. Aircond water piping does not drip into the drainage instead via another piping into proper hole on the roof

Previously contractor suggested changing the whole drainage which costs $1200😡
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Better to go for torch on membrane.
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any recommendation for torch membrane specialist?

My carporch concrete roof top is having small cracks and the normal waterproofing paint is not really workable although many layers were painted.
i googled and many placed as ads.

size is about 20'x20'

Cheras area.

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QUOTE(2000_Ryan @ Aug 26 2021, 01:55 PM)
Hey Shifus,

Recently I've spent a huge sum of money to replace all the old cement roof tiles of mine to new Monier ones, to mitigate small leaks and to prepare for a planned new ceiling (17k MYR).

The contractor in charge did such a sh**ty job that now a few of my rooms are practically raining when heavy rain is in occurrence. My ceilings are all completely drenched. I have since ended my relationship with the prior contractor (Paid only 8k and ended contract) and are now consulting a new one which recommends either aluminium foil or zinc sheet to be installed under the current roof tiles.

Should I agree with this ? Please advice me as i want to prepare to redo my ceiling ASAP.

Home is 1.5k sqft.

Aluminium sheet installation quote = 1.7k
Zinc sheet installation quote = 2.5k
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previous fella should rectify his work, or you get compensated. why you let him off the hook?
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QUOTE(CanonLee @ Sep 27 2021, 03:14 PM)
any recommendation for torch membrane specialist?

My carporch concrete roof top is having small cracks and the normal waterproofing paint is not really workable although many layers were painted.
i googled and many placed as ads.

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The waterproofing paint should work for small cracks.

Possible your contractor didnt do a good cleaning job prior to painting or the leak could be from other areas not identified.

I diy 3 years ....no leak.
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1. PU injection chemical (no hacking) 

Advantage  rclxm9.gif
Fast job,
no hacking concrete,
filling up the concrete crack structure (inside the concrete)
effective and the most used at site construction repair.

Disadvantage
messy and dirty,
there is chance the water leaking find new exit point,
home owner require to patch up the new plaster ceiling.

2. Epoxy grout between the tiles joint (no hacking) 

Advantage  rclxm9.gif
Fast job,
no hacking concrete,
filling up the minor crack joint between the tiles joint surface (top surface)

Disadvantage
It did not solve the big crack inside the concrete.
If big crack exist inside concrete, the leaking will come back because epoxy grout mostly treated the top surface part.
The additional movement & vibration concrete, the epoxy grout will wear and tear out.
Many public unaware contractors using tiles joint filler or cement grout filler instead of epoxy grout filler.

3. Epoxy flake coating (no hacking) 

advantage  rclxm9.gif
no hacking concrete
instantly cover your dirty floor tiles
Create many design patterns

Disadvantage 
Cover up existing beautiful tiles,
time consuming as it takes 2 – 3 days to fully cured
it did not solve concrete structure crack (inside the concrete)
4. Water repellent chemical between the tiles joint (no hacking) 
Advantage  rclxm9.gif
Fast job
no hacking
easily DIY yourself
economical

Disadvantage 
The leaking coming back soon, the water repellent wont last long.

5. Hacking and redo everything new. New waterproofing, new screeding, new tiles. 

advantage  rclxm9.gif

The  one time solution that solve everything.
Water leaking solved
concrete structure strengthens

Disadvantage 
time consuming and may take up many days to complete
expensive
messy and noisy
The concrete structure is just like the center of human body. If the center of human body is not healed and let it slowly deteriorated (concrete structure crack). The whole thing will crumble soon and major fix repair is require.  cool2.gif
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Very comprehensive explanations. Option 5, how will be the costing RM/sq.ft currently ( diregarding the tiles replacement cost , purely on water proofing solution ) ?
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This is regarding a new house.

The bathrooms have a shower area that has slightly lower floor area and come with shower screen. The floor of non shower area (toilet bowl and sink) is slightly higher.

I pond test the entire bathrooms (two bathrooms with same design 8-3' x 6-3'). The shower area doesn't leak below. The non-shower area leaks below (I come back after 24 hours).

Is this normal? Or is this consider a defect that need to be rectified by developer? I need to ask because as expected, my developer argue that no body flood the non shower area in normal use and I have also void the warranty.

Thanks in advance!
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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Nov 5 2021, 11:57 PM)
This is regarding a new house.

The bathrooms have a shower area that has slightly lower floor area and come with shower screen. The floor of non shower area (toilet bowl and sink) is slightly higher.

I pond test the entire bathrooms (two bathrooms with same design 8-3' x 6-3'). The shower area doesn't leak below. The non-shower area leaks below (I come back after 24 hours).

Is this normal? Or is this consider a defect that need to be rectified by developer? I need to ask because as expected, my developer argue that no body flood the non shower area in normal use and I have also void the warranty.

Thanks in advance!
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The toilet and basin area is considered dry area and the reason for the drop on the floor level for the shower.
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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Nov 5 2021, 11:57 PM)
This is regarding a new house.

The bathrooms have a shower area that has slightly lower floor area and come with shower screen. The floor of non shower area (toilet bowl and sink) is slightly higher.

I pond test the entire bathrooms (two bathrooms with same design 8-3' x 6-3'). The shower area doesn't leak below. The non-shower area leaks below (I come back after 24 hours).

Is this normal? Or is this consider a defect that need to be rectified by developer? I need to ask because as expected, my developer argue that no body flood the non shower area in normal use and I have also void the warranty.

Thanks in advance!
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Wow...really gungho to pond the entire bathroom without first checking with developer.
The bathroom is a bit of grey area actually, it depends on the size of your bathroom and its design. A small bathroom regardless if shower area is sunken, usually will have waterproofing entirely but if it is larger bathroom (master bathroom), then full waterproofing is not carry out.

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Wow...really gungho to pond the entire bathroom without first checking with developer.
The bathroom is a bit of grey area actually, it depends on the size of your bathroom and its design.  A small bathroom regardless if shower area is sunken, usually will have waterproofing entirely but if it is larger bathroom (master bathroom), then full waterproofing is not carry out.
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The developer claims the bathrooms are fully waterproofed.

If let's say a large bathroom (master bathroom) is not fully waterproofed, do you mean they only waterproof 'half' of the non-shower area near the drain?
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The toilet and basin area is considered dry area and the reason for the drop on the floor level for the shower.
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When you said 'dry area' do you mean there is no waterproofing?
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When you said 'dry area' do you mean there is no waterproofing?
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 6 2021, 06:21 AM)
The toilet and basin area is considered dry area and the reason for the drop on the floor level for the shower.
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When you said 'dry area' do you mean there is no waterproofing?
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Yes.
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It may sounds right at first read. The shower area indeed try to prevent water from shower into the non-shower area. But the non-shower area is definitely cannot be called 'dry-area' because there is a two-way-tap beside the toilet bowl with a bidet and a straight tap where water can immediately hit the floor of this area. There is also a drain. It may not be as wet as shower area, but it still will get wet. And for small bathroom, it can get pretty wet. Just imagine cleaning your feet.

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It may sounds right at first read. The shower area indeed try to prevent water from shower into the non-shower area. But the non-shower area is definitely cannot be called 'dry-area' because there is a two-way-tap beside the toilet bowl with a bidet and a straight tap where water can immediately hit the floor of this area. There is also a drain. It may not be as wet as shower area, but it still will get wet. And for small bathroom, it can get pretty wet. Just imagine cleaning your feet.
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If you wash and dry the area immediately, there shouldnt be any leak. Leaking happens when there is constant flow of water, like what you did.

A tap and discharge hole is there for your convenient just in case if you need clean the area once a while but is not meant to treat it like a shower area.

In all my dry area bathroom, I have floor mats to wipe the feet after shower. Is to prevent accidental slipping.

For eg, in terrace houses, the roof should not leak if water flow away constantly. If you really want to test the roof whether it leaks, using a high pressure washer aiming at edges and gaps can also cause the roof to leak which wont happen during a normal thunderstorm.

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Sorry to hijack, my concrete rooftop (car porch) is leaking. I looking for torch membrane, anyone one have good and honest contractor can recommend?

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 7 2021, 11:22 AM)
If you wash and dry the area immediately, there shouldnt be any leak. Leaking happens when there is constant flow of water, like what you did.

A tap and discharge hole is there for your convenient just in case if you need clean the area once a while but is not meant to treat it like a shower area.

In all my dry area bathroom, I have floor mats to wipe the feet after shower. Is to prevent accidental slipping.

For eg, in terrace houses, the roof should not leak if water flow away constantly. If you really want to test the roof whether it leaks, using a high pressure washer aiming at edges and gaps can also cause the roof to leak which wont happen during a normal thunderstorm.
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It doesnt matter where I am from just because you disagreed with my opinion. Whatever my opinion doesnt benefit me financially as I am neither the owner or developer.

I am sure you have asked some people oredi before coming to this forum and you know the answer but that doesnt stop you from pursuing with the developer to have it 'rectify'.

Honestly, forumers answers are not important. Whether is wet or dry area, your dispute is with the developer.

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QUOTE(samsungfreak @ Nov 7 2021, 11:06 AM)
It may sounds right at first read. The shower area indeed try to prevent water from shower into the non-shower area. But the non-shower area is definitely cannot be called 'dry-area' because there is a two-way-tap beside the toilet bowl with a bidet and a straight tap where water can immediately hit the floor of this area. There is also a drain. It may not be as wet as shower area, but it still will get wet. And for small bathroom, it can get pretty wet. Just imagine cleaning your feet.
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Just file the defect report and ask them to redo the waterproofing. Here in Malaysia the whole toilet supposed to be the wet area, unless you're buying fancy big house where your wardrobe is also part of your toilet.

My housing area had the similar issue, the developer has to redo the waterproofing in almost all houses in my taman since almost all of them failed.

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The developer claims the bathrooms are fully waterproofed.

If let's say a large bathroom (master bathroom) is not fully waterproofed, do you mean they only waterproof 'half' of the non-shower area near the drain?
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There is a lot of water proof method and same what similar to handphone waterproof IP rating, different rating determine how long and how deep the phone can be submerged in water.

It does not mean the bathroom dry area is not waterproof but it may not be subjected to prolong ponding or in some cases continuous flow of water over a prolong time...

Try to negotiate with the developer, you do not nee to mention you run water ponding test. Just say that there is leak and ask them to fix it.

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anyone have contact of contractor who is reliable and doing inter floor leaking (waterproofing) in bukit jalil or kl area ?
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Hi Daang,

Need your advise on how to resolve this.
The garden balcony is overgrown with wild grass and plants and this has caused leaking to the ceiling below this area.
I intend to remove all the soil bed here and tile it and maybe redo the water proofing. Area is about 10"x12"
How much approx will it cause to fix this excluding the tiles?
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Did you manage to resolve your weaking problem? I intend to do the same garden balcony like yours. Initially, I thought of using Sika solution, which consists of 5 layers, i.e. Sika filter sheet layer, Sika® SarnaDrain board, S-Felt geotextile as separation layer, Sarnafil® G-476 membrane and Sarnacol® adhesive. However, as i noted mild honey combs on the structure, I am thinking of using fiberglass waterproofing.

What was the method you used previously?

Thank you.

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may i know how much it cost to fix these:
1) roof water leaking
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2) aircon pipe leaking
Aircon pipe concealed within the wall, So will need to hack the wall to fix
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Hi all the sifu

may i know how much it cost to fix these:
1) roof water leaking
* charge per spot?

2) aircon pipe leaking
Aircon pipe concealed within the wall, So will need to hack the wall to fix
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Roof leaking is one most difficult part to rectify. Worst if only leaks on certain occassions ...like strong wind and heavy rain.

Engage a proper co to do and provide some guarantee if is around the same spot. Will be priced higher but that is a gamble. Of course the co also dont want to do repeat rectification.

Air cond piping seldom leaks internally. Any photos to share on this.

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Air cond drain pipe conceal in the wall are using normal pvc piping and seldom can leak. It can last a lifetime as it's not subject to UV or any hot or cold water expansion and retraction. The only reason it leaks is during installation the PVC pipe is already damaged when during installation.
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*My bad! I pressed the add reply to the 3 images above and left out my comments below:

Hi all, need your advice as I have this leaking issue, allegedly from my apartment to the unit downstairs that's been ongoing for the last 3 years. My apt is tenanted.

First image was taken at the downstairs unit's bedroom before any repair was done. After the downstairs owner reported a complaint, I engaged a contractor, which was recommended by the management office. Waterproofing was done to my bathroom and issue closed (mid 2019).

2nd image was taken at the same spot by the downstairs unit 1.5 years after my repair (early 2021). The management office this time suspected the leak may be from somewhere else (my planter box unit). Because of covid SOPs etc. and didn't want the issue to drag on for too long, I once again engaged the contractor to do the repair.

Fast forward to this year, you can see in the 3rd image that the watermark is slowly coming back. Management office contacted me again. At this point, I am not sure what else they want me to do. Plus I recently changed the piping in my unit's bathroom to new ones.

How can I push this back to the management office so that they do the proper checking on their side rather than just simply forwarding me the downstair's unit's complaints? Could it be that the leaks originate from within the downstair's unit itself (eg. their own piping etc)?

Also, do you have any recommended waterproofing companies? I am thinking of engaging one, to get their opinion.

Thank you.
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*My bad! I pressed the add reply to the 3 images above and left out my comments below:

Hi all, need your advice as I have this leaking issue, allegedly from my apartment to the unit downstairs that's been ongoing for the last 3 years. My apt is tenanted.

First image was taken at the downstairs unit's bedroom before any repair was done. After the downstairs owner reported a complaint, I engaged a contractor, which was recommended by the management office. Waterproofing was done to my bathroom and issue closed (mid 2019).

2nd image was taken at the same spot by the downstairs unit 1.5 years after my repair (early 2021). The management office this time suspected the leak may be from somewhere else (my planter box unit). Because of covid SOPs etc. and didn't want the issue to drag on for too long, I once again engaged the contractor to do the repair. 

Fast forward to this year, you can see in the 3rd image that the watermark is slowly coming back. Management office contacted me again. At this point, I am not sure what else they want me to do. Plus I recently changed the piping in my unit's bathroom to new ones.

How can I push this back to the management office  so that they do the proper checking on their side rather than just simply forwarding me the downstair's unit's complaints? Could it be that the leaks originate from within the downstair's unit itself (eg. their own piping etc)?

Also, do you have any recommended waterproofing companies? I am thinking of engaging one, to get their opinion.

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Show photos of your unit where the leak to below unit.

Definite some repair work is not done property. Otherwise it will leak again.

Did you see how the repair work was done or you left it to them to say is 'completed' ? Any photos taken during repair work ?

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Show photos of your unit where the leak to below unit.

Definite some repair work is not done property. Otherwise it will leak again.

Did you see how the repair work was done or you left it to them to say is 'completed' ? Any photos taken during repair work ?
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See the 3 photos are right before my written post. You can refer to my written post for explanations of each photo. No I did not oversee the work myself as the contractor did the work during office hours.
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See the 3 photos are right before my written post. You can refer to my written post for explanations of each photo. No I did not oversee the work myself as the contractor did the work during office hours.
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What the contractor had done doesnt meant it was done properly.

Depend on work and material, some can only last short duration and vice versa but never forever.

If you suspect is the lower unit leaking pipe embeded in your unit, then his contractor have to hack your unit to check the leak.
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See the 3 photos are right before my written post. You can refer to my written post for explanations of each photo. No I did not oversee the work myself as the contractor did the work during office hours.
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Ask this from the contractor:-

1) Condition of the wall before ponding test (video) - to be witness by the unit below & MO. Normally they will apply a layer of chalk powder. If wet, the chalk power will become wet.

2) Condition on the ponding test, video on your unit with water proofing & water (video) - to be witness by MO. The ponding test to last at least 24H.

3) Condition of the wall after the ponding test (video) - make sure the floor above still got water ponded before proceeding to check unit below. If floor below dry, then the water proofing shall be deemed as repaired.

I do agree that at this point, you could not totally eliminate the possibility the previous repair had totally resolved this issue. Also on the water proofing, the common mistake made by the contractor / construction ppl - they didn't extend the water proofing 300mm up the perimeter wall of the water proofed floor[B].

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Ask this from the contractor:-

1) Condition of the wall before ponding test (video) - to be witness by the unit below & MO. Normally they will apply a layer of chalk powder. If wet, the chalk power will become wet.

2) Condition on the ponding test, video on your unit with water proofing & water (video) - to be witness by MO. The ponding test to last at least 24H.

3) Condition of the wall after the ponding test (video) - make sure the floor above still got water ponded before proceeding to check unit below. If floor below dry, then the water proofing shall be deemed as repaired.

I do agree that at this point, you could not totally eliminate the possibility the previous repair had totally resolved this issue. Also on the water proofing, the common mistake made by the contractor / construction ppl - they didn't extend the water proofing 300mm up the perimeter wall of the water proofed floor[B].
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Thank you for this suggestion. The MO did not suggest such a test. I get that not all MOs are proactive. I'm surprised that none of my MO's technicians or the contractors that they recommended have suggested this. I'll make this suggestion to them.

Any recommended waterproof specialist that any of you know of? I googled and found some with reasonably good reviews like Shieldo and NanoG. Worst case, I'm thinking of engaging them. Hopefully they don't charge super duper expensive.
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Thank you for this suggestion. The MO did not suggest such a test. I get that not all MOs are proactive. I'm surprised that none of my MO's technicians or the contractors that they recommended have suggested this. I'll make this suggestion to them.

Any recommended waterproof specialist that any of you know of? I googled and found some with reasonably good reviews like Shieldo and NanoG. Worst case, I'm thinking of engaging them. Hopefully they don't charge super duper expensive.
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Sorry that I'm unable to recommend you any specialist. I just engaged one recently but the final result yet to be proven, hence too risky. You better search your own specialist.

If already spending the money, go for the option of

"5. Hacking and redo everything new. New waterproofing, new screeding, new tiles." as per suggested in the page 1. This should be the most reliable & lasting method.

I managed to find a water ponding test photo for your visual reference. It should be something like as below , the only different was the area tested was at car porch slab instead in the toilet flooring. The concept is still the same - the ponding test is to test out the integrity of the water proofing.

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If you want a cheaper solution, you can diy with Penten. Firstly, clean the slab throughly with water and let it dry. Then use a roller brush to apply Penten with few layers and let if dry completely between each layer. The leak should stop. I diy for my car porch. It will last few years.

Otherwise, you engage an Indon guy. It will cost about RM500 inclusive of fixing back plaster ceiling.

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Hi Mini Orchard,

Would you please advise, this "Penten" is applicable to tiles to solve the bathroom leaking problem?

Thank you!


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Hi Mini Orchard,

Would you please advise, this "Penten" is applicable to tiles to solve the bathroom leaking problem?

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It works for my porch concrete slab. Probably may last another few years and I have to redo again.

I dont think is suitable on gloss surface like tiles. The adhesion wont be strong. Wear and tear from daily using of bathroom and cleaning will destroy the coating faster.

You can try some cheaper method like regrouting the floor and wall tiles. The leaks normally is from there.


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QUOTE(nihility @ Feb 21 2022, 01:58 PM)
Sorry that I'm unable to recommend you any specialist. I just engaged one recently but the final result yet to be proven, hence too risky. You better search your own specialist.

If already spending the money, go for the option of

"5. Hacking and redo everything new. New waterproofing, new screeding, new tiles." as per suggested in the page 1. This should be the most reliable & lasting method.

I managed to find a water ponding test photo for your visual reference. It should be something like as below , the only different was the area tested was at car porch slab instead in the toilet flooring. The concept is still the same - the ponding test is to test out the integrity of the water proofing.

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Thanks for all the info. Yea, I don't mind spending the money to hack and redo. Just hope to find a reliable contractor and hpefully fix this issue once and for all, or at least can tahan for more than 5 years.
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Water leaks is a nightmare for all homeowners including myself. I have a very bad experience in my previous house which I sold it due to too much headache solving water leaks non-stop.

Now moved in to new house more than 20 years ago and learnt alot about water leaks from my previous house.

When there is water leaks, don't use cheap method to resolve, that's my motto.
Go get expertise advise and do proper waterproofing.

*hint, don't use water proof paint (just my experience). Won't last long.

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Water leaks is a nightmare for all homeowners including myself. I have a very bad experience in my previous house which I sold it due to too much headache solving water leaks non-stop.

Now moved in to new house more than 20 years ago and learnt alot about water leaks from my previous house.

When there is water leaks, don't use cheap method to resolve, that's my motto.
Go get expertise advise and do proper waterproofing.

*hint, don't use water proof paint (just my experience). Won't last long.
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Yea, I'm engaging what I hope is a good contractor since my friend have recent experience with this guy. Fingers crossed, the workmanship is much better this time around. W

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Need some help..

Water is seeping in through the edges of the window frame and also below the window itself.

Another issue is that this is a condo and the other side of the window is facing into thin air.

Anybody have any ideas that can help me? or what I should ask when trying to engage a contractor

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Hi Guys..

Need some help..

Water is seeping in through the edges of the window frame and also below the window itself.

Another issue is that this is a condo and the other side of the window is facing into thin air.

Anybody have any ideas that can help me? or what I should ask when trying to engage a contractor

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Clean the edges and inject clear silicone. Then use a flat ice cream stick to press the silicone to cover as much gap possible. Do it on hot day.

If dont work, have to call contractor. He will have to remove the window and inject silicone on the outer frame. My landed house, I inject outside and no more leak.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Mar 2 2022, 07:06 PM)
Clean the edges and inject clear silicone. Then use a flat ice cream stick to press the silicone to cover as much gap possible. Do it on hot day.

If dont work, have to call contractor. He will have to remove the window and inject silicone on the outer frame. My landed house, I inject outside and no more leak.
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Yup, the suggestion is valid... but just a note is that fixing the issue from the inside may not have high success rate but it is can be DIY.
Fixing from the outside maybe the best option but will need to call contractor and have the safety gears ready.

Another thing is that check the rail of the windows, is there holes to let the water pass out? If no, can drill holes.
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QUOTE(Deznom @ Mar 2 2022, 06:00 PM)
Hi Guys..

Need some help..

Water is seeping in through the edges of the window frame and also below the window itself.

Another issue is that this is a condo and the other side of the window is facing into thin air.

Anybody have any ideas that can help me? or what I should ask when trying to engage a contractor

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Is your unit by any chance is located at the highest floor?
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Is your unit by any chance is located at the highest floor?
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Not quite.. there are 3 more floors above mine.. but its quite high up
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QUOTE(Deznom @ Mar 7 2022, 09:50 AM)
Not quite.. there are 3 more floors above mine.. but its quite high up
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Noted. The C&S engineer once told me, the highest floor unit usually will be constructed without heavy loading as there is no more units / loads above, those units at higher up will be more vulnerable to any building movement damages - which can be made visible from the sign of window frame or door frame started to crack.
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Hi all - those living in older apt or condo, what is your experience with bathroom having bath tubs? How likely is it for bathrooms with old bath tubs to 'store' water underneath it and start leaking to the unit below? Is it recommended to just remove that old bath tub if it is not in use anymore?

Also, in terms of waterproofing have you come across contractors who previously did not fully do hacking job for the waterproof. Instead, the fella removed the old bathroom tiles, then coated a layer of waterproof paint and then lay with a new set of tiles. In this case, I assume that the waterproofing may not be long lasting?

An update on my case is MO suspected one of the building pipes passing through my unit may be the cause of the leak. Repair is underway.

Now, as far as my bathroom is concerned, should I be proactive and just redo the waterproofing properly. Or wait until downstairs file a leak complaint? And yes, I am aware that being proactive in this case comes with added cost and time; but I'd like to see what your views are. Thanks!

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QUOTE(Jkan2021 @ Mar 28 2022, 11:05 AM)
Hi all - those living in older apt or condo, what is your experience with bathroom having bath tubs? How likely is it for bathrooms with old bath tubs to 'store' water underneath it and start leaking to the unit below? Is it recommended to just remove that old bath tub if it is not in use anymore?

Also, in terms of waterproofing have you come across contractors who previously did not fully do hacking job for the waterproof. Instead, the fella removed the old bathroom tiles, then coated a layer of waterproof paint and then lay with a new set of tiles. In this case, I assume that the waterproofing may not be long lasting?

An update on my case is MO suspected one of the building pipes passing through my unit may be the cause of the leak. Repair is underway.

Now, as far as my bathroom is concerned, should I be proactive and just redo the waterproofing properly. Or wait until downstairs file a leak complaint? And yes, I am aware that being proactive in this case comes with added cost and time; but I'd like to see what your views are. Thanks!
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Not sure about the bath tub leaking below but if it is old and not in use, it may be a better option to remove it in the next makeover.

For the waterproofing, usually contractor will not hack through waterproof. There will just apply new waterproof. A layer of paint may not be sufficient though.. but if it is wall and not floor, maybe it is still acceptable
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Hi everyone, recently purchased an old new house - around 10 years old. I am thinking should I check for any water pipe leak before I do renovations. Is it a standard practise? I don’t plan to renovate all bathrooms (5 bathrooms!) hence cannot change the piping. Anyone had any experience dealing with water leak detection? Done a pressure test myself, seems ok but not able to test the pipes coming from reserve tank. In Penang, anyone had dealt with any water leak checking company here? A bit worried there’s a leak after I’ve done renovations.
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QUOTE(ernie ball @ Mar 30 2022, 04:48 PM)
Hi everyone, recently purchased an old new house - around 10 years old. I am thinking should I check for any water pipe leak before I do renovations. Is it a standard practise? I don’t plan to renovate all bathrooms (5 bathrooms!) hence cannot change the piping. Anyone had any experience dealing with water leak detection? Done a pressure test myself, seems ok but not able to test the pipes coming from reserve tank. In Penang, anyone had dealt with any water leak checking company here? A bit worried there’s a leak after I’ve done renovations.
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A leaking pipe can be anywhere and not limited to bathrooms and kitchen areas.

As long there are elbows and connectors along the piping line, it will leak if there is soil movement and or poor quality piping plus workmanship.

If it wants to leak, it will leak no matter what pressure test done previously. In short ...nothing last forever, even if is new.

One is lucky if can notice the leak and rectify immediately.

The worst is the underground leaking which can cost a bomb on the water bill. Do regular water meter inspection for abnormal meter reading.


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QUOTE(ernie ball @ Mar 30 2022, 04:48 PM)
Hi everyone, recently purchased an old new house - around 10 years old. I am thinking should I check for any water pipe leak before I do renovations. Is it a standard practise? I don’t plan to renovate all bathrooms (5 bathrooms!) hence cannot change the piping. Anyone had any experience dealing with water leak detection? Done a pressure test myself, seems ok but not able to test the pipes coming from reserve tank. In Penang, anyone had dealt with any water leak checking company here? A bit worried there’s a leak after I’ve done renovations.
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Not really sure what is your question. But water leaking check is very simple... just get the reading of the main meter when the tangki is full and all tap is closed and make sure no one is using water for a day or 2... then check back again. If the meters remain the same, then it is safe to say that there is no leaking.

Reserved tank? you mean the main is directly connected to all the bathroom? Reserved tank will be use when there is no water from main? Basically bypass to direct water supply uses back the same pipe, there is only 1 additional valve being install... So to test the valve, switch off the main and see if you still have water from the bathroom
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QUOTE(cdspins @ Mar 31 2022, 04:40 PM)
Not really sure what is your question. But water leaking check is very simple... just get the reading of the main meter when the tangki is full and all tap is closed and make sure no one is using water for a day or 2... then check back again. If the meters remain the same, then it is safe to say that there is no leaking.

Reserved tank? you mean the main is directly connected to all the bathroom? Reserved tank will be use when there is no water from main? Basically bypass to direct water supply uses back the same pipe, there is only 1 additional valve being install... So to test the valve, switch off the main and see if you still have water from the bathroom
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Thanks for your reply,
By reserve tank I mean the tangki, the valve that connects mains inlet into the tangki is stuck at closed position and I cannot turn it, basically it just spin freely when I turn it.
Ok I guess I’ll just watch the meter for a week.. because not sure if there’s a better way to check for leak or not.

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Anyone know if this is reasonable.

Toilet hacking tiling, remove toilet bowl, re-lay waterproofing 2 coat, ponding test, install tiling and toilet bowl, 5-6 days, total cost RM3500
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Mar 30 2022, 08:14 PM)
A leaking pipe can be anywhere and not limited to bathrooms and kitchen areas.

As long there are elbows and connectors along the piping line, it will leak if there is soil movement and or poor quality piping plus workmanship.

If it wants to leak, it will leak no matter what pressure test done previously. In short ...nothing last forever, even if is new.

One is lucky if can notice the leak and rectify immediately.

The worst is the underground leaking which can cost a bomb on the water bill. Do regular water meter inspection for abnormal meter reading.
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The unusual water bill bomb still manageable. The "sink hole" created due to the water movement, you will cry without tear this bomb.
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Anyone know if this is reasonable.

Toilet hacking tiling, remove toilet bowl, re-lay waterproofing 2 coat, ponding test, install tiling and toilet bowl, 5-6 days, total cost RM3500
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price include tile? Size of tile and new toilet bowl? If yes, seems OK
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price include tile? Size of tile and new toilet bowl? If yes, seems OK
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Thanks for response. Yes. tiles provided which is 13x13inch tiles but not new toilet bowl.
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This is regarding a new 2-storey house

There are 'water stains' at the ceiling of the first floor room at the back of the house. What's the cause of this, roof leaking or pipe leakage? Is this common and is it a major issue

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QUOTE(sthrowaway @ Apr 19 2022, 06:47 PM)
This is regarding a new 2-storey house

There are 'water stains' at the ceiling of the first floor room at the back of the house. What's the cause of this, roof leaking or pipe leakage? Is this common and is it a major issue

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Leaking is normal in a property. Is a matter now or later.

If is raining for the past few days, more likely a roof leak. Otherwise is pipe leakage.

One wouldnt know until a proper inspection is done. Check for pipe leakage first, then the roof.
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Hi all,

My old houses constantly having never-ending water leaking problem. Water/yellow stain on plaster ceiling. After paint and repaired, same issue different area. Plan to DIY if possible.

I saw some houses have this black piece of paper on their roof with bricks or something heavy on the black thing.

Anyone know what is the black piece of paper call? and price?

Appreciated ur reply.
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Hi all,

My old houses constantly having never-ending water leaking problem. Water/yellow stain on plaster ceiling. After paint and repaired, same issue different area. Plan to DIY if possible.

I saw some houses have this black piece of paper on their roof with bricks or something heavy on the black thing.

Anyone know what is the black piece of paper call? and price?

Appreciated ur reply.
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'Old' as in how many years ?

Piecemeal work will cost you more. Allocate a budget and redo the entire roofing and engage a reputable co for the job that also provide warranty.

Replace, repair and upkeep are part and parcel of property ownership.

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ May 17 2022, 06:34 PM)
'Old' as in how many years ?

Piecemeal work will cost you more. Allocate a budget and redo the entire roofing and engage a reputable co for the job that also provide warranty.

Replace, repair and upkeep are part and parcel of property ownership.
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Old as in 30-40 years.

The house entire roof already changed due to termite 3 years ago. After the whole roof changed, no issue. Just recently a year ago started leaking. I have called roof repair to fix, solved and the issue come again at other area.

So maybe adding those black piece of paper to the affected area able to solve the issue.
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Old as in 30-40 years.

The house entire roof already changed due to termite 3 years ago. After the whole roof changed, no issue. Just recently a year ago started leaking. I have called roof repair to fix, solved and the issue come again at other area.

So maybe adding those black piece of paper to the affected area able to solve the issue.
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My advise is to engage a proper roof company to check. Sometimes it could be a broken tile or cement plaster holding the tiles.

It could also be the roof gradient that hinder the flow during a heavy downpour or a clogged gutter.

Leaking is a complicated issue to solve. If you are lucky, it can done once. Otherwise is will be a nightmare.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ May 18 2022, 07:31 AM)
My advise is to engage a proper roof company to check. Sometimes it could be a broken tile or cement plaster holding the tiles.

It could also be the roof gradient that hinder the flow during a heavy downpour or a clogged gutter.

Leaking is a complicated issue to solve. If you are lucky, it can done once. Otherwise is will be a nightmare.
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I will consider your advice.

Have you engage any roof repair company before? If yes, how is your experience with them?

Any one in this topic mind to share contacts of roof repair man or roof repair company where price is reasonable?


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QUOTE(josephcvh @ May 18 2022, 09:53 AM)
I will consider your advice.

Have you engage any roof repair company before? If yes, how is your experience with them?

Any one in this topic mind to share contacts of roof repair man or roof repair company where price is reasonable?
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The last I did my roof leak was few years ago. That time one of the house in my taman started his reno. I engage one of the worker since it wasnt serious after inspection. Did few tiles replacement, patch up some joints and clean the gutter. It was good since then, otherwise I would have to engage a proper roof repair co.

Hope other forumers can contribute.
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ May 18 2022, 10:06 AM)
The last I did my roof leak was few years ago. That time one of the house in my taman started his reno. I engage one of the worker since it wasnt serious after inspection. Did few tiles replacement, patch up some joints and clean the gutter. It was good since then, otherwise I would have to engage a proper roof repair co.

Hope other forumers can contribute.
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Ahh I see. Glad that your roof is good. Mine is giving me headache. I will have a look around on other topic regarding water leak to see if any recommendation by forumers. Thanks. smile.gif
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Hi all, advise needed. Looking for a simple and quick method to waterproof the small yard area in my old apt. It's mostly a dry area, except for that small part where the washing machine is at. Downstairs owner is complaining of water dripping from ceiling/my unit just around that area where my washing machine is. I am not aiming for a full hacking & waterproof method yet. Planning to try coating with waterproof paint method first. Anyone here can recommend a brand or any products that you have used? TQ.
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Water leaks in house is a lifetime nightmare...hahaha
No ending to fixing one...

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QUOTE(Jkan2021 @ Jun 1 2022, 11:52 AM)
Hi all, advise needed. Looking for a simple and quick method to waterproof the small yard area in my old apt. It's mostly a dry area, except for that small part where the washing machine is at. Downstairs owner is complaining of water dripping from ceiling/my unit just around that area where my washing machine is. I am not aiming for a full hacking & waterproof method yet. Planning to try coating with waterproof paint method first. Anyone here can recommend a brand or any products that you have used? TQ.
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The waste water from the WM will go to waste pipe through a hose, so leaking from the floor is unlikely.

Possible the internal pipe leaking ?

If you can stop using the WM for sometime, then you can check the source of the leaking.
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Hi all, seeking advice. got water leaking from my unit above. the unit above claimed they tried to patch all they could from above. they want to avoid hacking down and redo the waterproofing and suggest me to paint a waterproofing paint(t200 penten) on my ceiling instead. will this waterproof paint works? do i have to paint the whole ceiling with that waterproof paint?
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QUOTE(M.I.N.S @ Jun 1 2022, 11:19 PM)
Hi all, seeking advice. got water leaking from my unit above. the unit above claimed they tried to patch all they could from above. they want to avoid hacking down and redo the waterproofing and suggest me to paint a waterproofing paint(t200 penten) on my ceiling instead. will this waterproof paint works? do i have to paint the whole ceiling with that waterproof paint?
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basically its their responsibility. if you dont mind the ceiling to be painted, then can ask them to paint instead and bear all the cost. if you paint yrself, then if its still leaking, they could blame you for not paint it correctly.

can try to see if it work.
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QUOTE(M.I.N.S @ Jun 1 2022, 11:19 PM)
Hi all, seeking advice. got water leaking from my unit above. the unit above claimed they tried to patch all they could from above. they want to avoid hacking down and redo the waterproofing and suggest me to paint a waterproofing paint(t200 penten) on my ceiling instead. will this waterproof paint works? do i have to paint the whole ceiling with that waterproof paint?
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The leaking will move to other places and leak there.
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QUOTE(M.I.N.S @ Jun 1 2022, 11:19 PM)
Hi all, seeking advice. got water leaking from my unit above. the unit above claimed they tried to patch all they could from above. they want to avoid hacking down and redo the waterproofing and suggest me to paint a waterproofing paint(t200 penten) on my ceiling instead. will this waterproof paint works? do i have to paint the whole ceiling with that waterproof paint?
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Theoretically it won't solve. I'm going slightly technical, see if you can understand. For the floor water proofing to work, normally the waterproofing need to be apply on the flooring + extended slightly to the perimeter walls, usually 50mm to 100mm. The reason for the extension is to create a small "pond like barrier" to prevent the water from seeping through the perimeter walls. This finishes is only possible to be installed at the affected floor. If you apply the water proof at the floor below ceiling, the extension of the water proofing to the perimeter walls are not possible & the water proof layer will be 1 flat surface on the ceiling - the water will seeps at the perimeter walls & the new spot of leakages will be created.

This water proofing finishes extension slightly up vertically to the perimeter walls, is a very common to be missed out even in the construction industry.

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QUOTE(nihility @ Jun 2 2022, 07:30 AM)
Theoretically it won't solve. I'm going slightly technical, see if you can understand. For the floor water proofing to work, normally the waterproofing need to be apply on the flooring + extended slightly to the perimeter walls, usually 50mm to 100mm. The reason for the extension is to create a small "pond like barrier" to prevent the water from seeping through the perimeter walls. This finishes is only possible to be installed at the affected floor. If you apply the water proof at the floor below ceiling, the extension of the water proofing to the perimeter walls are not possible & the water proof layer will be 1 flat surface on the ceiling - the water will seeps at the perimeter walls & the new spot of leakages will be created.

This water proofing finishes extension slightly up vertically to the perimeter walls, is a very common missed out even in the construction industry.
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Thx for the explanation. The unit above doesn’t seems keen to redo hack their tiles and redo the waterproofing. I saw online where I could do pu injection from below, is this a better idea?
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jun 1 2022, 10:11 PM)
The waste water from the WM will go to waste pipe through a hose, so leaking from the floor is unlikely.

Possible the internal pipe leaking ?

If you can stop using the WM for sometime, then you can check the source of the leaking.
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Thanks! just confirmed with my tenant. The floor in that area is dry almost all the time. And they have stopped using washing machine (WM) for over a year already. Hmmm so it could be internal pipe leaks. It seems like there is no quick fix to my issue, since I initially thought the WM was still in use and causing wetness around the area.

May be best to bring along a contractor to have a look. Else issue will persist. Plus I am no expert with piping and leaking.
After reading few comments here for owners of old apt/house units, I'm determined to sell of the unit. Will see what needs to be fixed and hopefully, put my unit on sale in a decent condition.
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QUOTE(M.I.N.S @ Jun 2 2022, 11:05 AM)
Thx for the explanation. The unit above doesn’t seems keen to redo hack their tiles and redo the waterproofing. I saw online where I could do pu injection from below, is this a better idea?
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That's will temporary solve the issue only, it will reoccurs in another few years. The most reliable solution is still remove the tile, screeding , apply the water proofing, do 24h ponding test, fix back the screeding & tiles.
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There are currently no droplets dripping onto the ground / floor.

May I know how to solve this leak / water stain ? Contractor said it is most likely caused by civet cat (fox/musang) pee, and I am not surprised because I have heard scratches on the ceiling.

Images here - https://imgur.com/a/x7E5vLS

1) Should I replace the plaster ceiling first then monitor for any water stains ? This was what he suggested

2) Would replacing the roof tiles be a suitable option ? Or it will not solve any potential water leak problem ?

3) I am just concerned replacing to plaster ceiling will still get water stains.


- Change ceiling to plaster with L edges excluding extra wire and downlight ( 9m x 4m )
- Paint my car porch ceiling ( 5m x 5m )
- Cover up the big hole in toilet with a cement board
- Cover up another small hole outside the gutter area ( 0.5 m x 0.5 m)

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Hi, I would like to apply the waterproofing coating on top of the concrete roof car pouch. I'm wondering between Bostik AC2 and Pentens T-200H,which one can last longer and easier to DIY? Trying to get rid of the nightmare of seeing water leak from the slab. sad.gif
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Hi, I would like to apply the waterproofing coating on top of the concrete roof car pouch. I'm wondering between Bostik AC2 and Pentens T-200H,which one can last longer and easier to DIY? Trying to get rid of the nightmare of seeing water leak from the slab.  sad.gif
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I done for my slab 3 years ago using Penten. No leaking till now but not sure how long it will last as it depends on preparation work and skill plus weather.

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Hi Sifus,
My extended kitchen area has leaks at the corner. My next door neighbour did not extend hence the opposite wall is open area. My roof is a slanted with tile roof. It will start to show wet water marks just with moderate rain. Backed in March before I moved in the contractor has applied some sealant on the roof when I complained on leaks. it seemed the problem is still there. Any recommendation to fox this ?


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Hi Sifus,
My extended kitchen area has leaks at the corner. My next door neighbour did not extend hence the opposite wall is open area. My roof is a slanted with tile roof. It will start to show wet water marks just with moderate rain. Backed in March before I moved in the contractor has applied some sealant on the roof when I complained on leaks. it seemed the problem is still there. Any recommendation to fox this ?
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i recently also just fixed a similar problem like this. best way is the seal with cement outside and paint it with waterproof coating.
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Hi Sifu,

Any one tried using the epoxy membrane solution for bathroom floor leak?

The type with ugly dark coloured pebble stone textured ones

Y Y Waterproof is quoting 1k per toilet compare to conventional remove, membrane + retile of 4k per toilet.

Any feedback or experience with this solution?
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I have a couple of questions in regards to RC Roof waterproofing.

Let’s say the surface area is 7 X 14 feet, exposed to the elements and sloped to drainage so there is not much of a pooling issue. Hairline cracks, and minor mold here and there. My questions:

1. Nippon Flex 200. Has anyone used it? Is it durable in comparison to Sika 500? How long would either usually last. ( Applied based on manufacturers guidelines).


2. Nippon Flex 200 sandwiched with fibreglass sheets. What does the fibreglass do? Does it harden when applied (like it would with resin?) or will it remain flexible? Does it add value to the longevity of the coating?


3. Are cementious applications a no go for my surface situation?


4. What are common ballpark figures RM$$$ to consider getting a specialist to waterproof my specified surface area? Coatings, torch on etc.


5. Polycarbonate awnings: Any experience patching cracks and tears? What’s a good temporary option besides changing the panels?

Looking forward to your kind replies ! Thanks!
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Hi, would like to seek opinion / experience from lowyat members.

Recently I noticed that my water meter reading has been running though there is no water usage at home and I have off the tap to tank.

Likely it's due to underground pipe leakage. Is re-piping the only solution?

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A leaking pipe can be anywhere and not limited to bathrooms and kitchen areas.

As long there are elbows and connectors along the piping line, it will leak if there is soil movement and or poor quality piping plus workmanship.

If it wants to leak, it will leak no matter what pressure test done previously. In short ...nothing last forever, even if is new.

One is lucky if can notice the leak and rectify immediately.

The worst is the underground leaking which can cost a bomb on the water bill. Do regular water meter inspection for abnormal meter reading.
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My average water bill usage is 15 -17 units per month. Last month, the usage shot up to 32 units.

I am concerned with possible pipe leaking somewhere in the house. First to check is the water tank (this supplies water to all the 3 bath rooms – 1 at ground floor, 2 at first floor) located on roof. Plumber checked and verified all joints are secured and the flooring is dry with no signs of leaking.

At the ground floor bathroom there is a valve which controls supply of water to water tank on roof located at first floor. The water tank was fully refilled and noted at night where no one is using any water from all the 3 bathrooms, the water meter still running slowly (increase 2000 in reading after approximately 8 hours of non usage). The only way to stop the water meter from running is to switch off the valve at the ground floor bath room, where this will stop water from flowing to the water tank.

I checked the walls (a combination of tiles and non tiles wall) where the pipe travels from ground floor bath room to upstair water tank, no visible water mark.

I need some advice for further troubleshooting to pin point the possible area of pipe leakage or recommendation for a trusted and reliable professional to help in identifying the source of the issue.
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The unit below mine spotted water mark on their bathroom ceiling when they removed the plaster ceiling during renovation. So I decided to check out applying sealer on my bathroom floors to stop the leak. Was quoted almost RM5k for two bathrooms for crystallization type sealer. This is applied on floor, 7 ft on shower walls and 4 ft on all other walls. Sounds a bit excessive to me. 2 years warranty.

What do you guys think?

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QUOTE(Mattrock @ Dec 21 2022, 05:15 PM)
The unit below mine spotted water mark on their bathroom ceiling when they removed the plaster ceiling during renovation. So I decided to check out applying sealer on my bathroom floors to stop the leak. Was quoted almost RM5k for two bathrooms for crystallization type sealer. This is applied on floor, 7 ft on shower walls and 4 ft on all other walls. Sounds a bit excessive to me. 2 years warranty.

What do you guys think?
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Epoxy type cheap around RM1k… looks nice also and less hassle… just did for my condo bathroom as it was leaking to downstairs unit.
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Epoxy type cheap around RM1k… looks nice also and less hassle… just did for my condo bathroom as it was leaking to downstairs unit.
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How much per sqft?
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Is this just the floor?
Sorry not familiar with this. Does this achieve the same result as waterproof cement on the floor without having to hack and replace the tiles?
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Hi all, I intend to buy a subsales property below market value, but I realized there are water leaking issues in several spots in the car porch area and level 3 of the unit.

Attach some photos here for reference.

I get quote from the contractor that usually helps to repair water leaking issues in that housing area around RM9500. Is this a reasonable price?

Hope you all can help. Thank you so much

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Hi i’m facing inter-floor leakage issue, the owner upstairs has came to fix but the issue hasnt been resolved. Can u suggest the root cause and the best solution for this issue? Oh ya, and also the estimated cost please? Tq

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Hi all, I intend to buy a subsales property below market value, but I realized there are water leaking issues in several spots in the car porch area and level 3 of the unit.
Attach some photos here for reference.
I get quote from the contractor that usually helps to repair water leaking issues in that housing area around RM9500. Is this a reasonable price?
Hope you all can help. Thank you so much
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Not all leaking are permanently fix job and unless owner is willing to redo due to wear and tear or poor workmanship, is better to reconsider the purchase.

Sometime is due to building design fault or initial poor construction work and the likely option is to demolish and rebuild.

Spending money to repair is not the bigger problem but getting the right people to do the job is always a headache.

QUOTE(wanmei105 @ Jan 3 2023, 04:23 AM)
Hi i’m facing inter-floor leakage issue, the owner upstairs has came to fix but the issue hasnt been resolved. Can u suggest the root cause and the best solution for this issue? Oh ya, and also the estimated cost please? Tq

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What did the owner fix ?

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Done ponding test by using clay and tape. Water dry up within 24hours .. is it really leak or something wrong with my method ?


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Done ponding test by using clay and tape. Water dry up within 24hours .. is it really leak or something wrong with my method ?
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Which part of the floor is the place ?
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Which part of the floor is the place ?
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1st floor , bathroom 1 .. i din flood all . Only 1st level of my bathroom. Around 2in..if flood all, will be 4in
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jan 3 2023, 06:45 AM)
Not all leaking are permanently fix job and unless owner is willing to redo due to wear and tear or poor workmanship, is better to reconsider the purchase.

Sometime is due to building design fault or initial poor construction work and the likely option is to demolish and rebuild.

Spending money to repair is not the bigger problem but getting the right people to do the job is always a headache.
What did the owner fix ?
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Hi, can I know what will be the estimated cost to repair this issue?

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Hi, can I know what will be the estimated cost to repair this issue?

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Sorry no idea.

I try to diy unless is too complicated or I dont have the tools. The last I did was my car porch slab. Not a big piece thou so diy.

QUOTE(steventan85 @ Jan 3 2023, 11:39 AM)
1st floor , bathroom 1 .. i din flood all . Only 1st level of my bathroom.  Around 2in..if flood all, will be 4in
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Bathroom waste water is suppose to drain off immediately. In my opinion, ponding will definite 'leak' compared to a pool.

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Hi sifus, would appreciate your opinions on the wall leakage in the 2 bedrooms of my condo unit (1 room next to toilet, 1 room opposite toilet).

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1) What could be the cause of the wall leakage? I suspect the leakage is due to failed waterproofing of the bathroom floor, which leads to water seeping from bathroom into the bedrooms with laminated flooring. I didn't see any leakage on the walls with tile flooring (e.g., no leakage in kitchen, dining room, area outside bathroom).
2) Any suggestions for a reasonably-priced solution to waterproof the bathroom floor? Prefer non-hacking but a permanent solution (maybe epoxy?). If available, can also share the estimated price in Klang Valley area for a 30 sqft bathroom.


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The leakage is on the lower walls next to the room doors.
The leakage only appeared in the last 1 year, when unit was rented out to tenants.
Both bedrooms have laminated floor, some water damage on the laminated floor near the doors.
The rest are tiled floors (living room, dining room, toilet, area outside toilet).
So far no complaints from the unit below about any ceiling leakage.
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Hi sifus, would appreciate your opinions on the wall leakage in the 2 bedrooms of my condo unit (1 room next to toilet, 1 room opposite toilet).

SEEKING VIEWS
1) What could be the cause of the wall leakage? I suspect the leakage is due to failed waterproofing of the bathroom floor, which leads to water seeping from bathroom into the bedrooms with laminated flooring. I didn't see any leakage on the walls with tile flooring (e.g., no leakage in kitchen, dining room, area outside bathroom).
2) Any suggestions for a reasonably-priced solution to waterproof the bathroom floor? Prefer non-hacking but a permanent solution (maybe epoxy?). If available, can also share the estimated price in Klang Valley area for a 30 sqft bathroom.
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The leakage is on the lower walls next to the room doors.
The leakage only appeared in the last 1 year, when unit was rented out to tenants.
Both bedrooms have laminated floor, some water damage on the laminated floor near the doors.
The rest are tiled floors (living room, dining room, toilet, area outside toilet).
So far no complaints from the unit below about any ceiling leakage.
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I dont think the water came from the bathroom. Likely your unit has a small leak along the water pipe line in the ceiling.
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this type of floor trap is quite easy to seal. I only put on plasticine (those used by kids) without any tapes, and the water pond stays over the weekend.

so if yours is gone in 24 hours, meaning something is wrong. maybe you can reapply the plasticine again, making sure you press it deep enough, and do the ponding test again


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this type of floor trap is quite easy to seal. I only put on plasticine (those used by kids) without any tapes, and the water pond stays over the weekend.

so if yours is gone in 24 hours, meaning something is wrong. maybe you can reapply the plasticine again, making sure you press it deep enough, and do the ponding test again
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alright. will do it again either tonight , or tomorrow morning.
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few things i would try under this situation:

1) stop using this toilet for a week or 2 (if it's possible), and monitor the dampness of the wall

2) grout the tiles of the toilet, you can buy it from hardware or diy shops, and monitor again

3) call a contractor (last resort), but most of them will ask you to hack away all the tiles, apply water proofing , and redo again to maximise the work scope cool2.gif

4) if the no.1 above proof that the leak is from the toilet, you can consider another option which is to apply some sort of coating on top of the existing tiles. seen this somewhere before but i don't have the details, need to ask the contractors or some experts here thumbup.gif

many years i found water dripping into my main switch board. and upon checking, the water came along from some cables. as usual, contractor ask to hack the tiles and redo waterproofing, for all the toilets without checking in detail.

later i tried the method 1 above, and narrowed it down to 1 particular toilet. it was not easy as need to stop using each toilet for a couple of weeks in order for the water to totally dry first. then upon detail checking, i found that some grout along the wall-to-floor edge has broken. so just bought a pack of sika tile grout and reapply it. it solved the leak problem until now.

i know it's not a permanent solution, but a RM10 solution compared with RM5k or RM10k's work, it's still worth the effort to try and investigate.

but since yours also happened to another room which is not connected to the toilet, then most likely it's not due to the water from the toilet. try to see if there's any chance the water is from the top of the wall, or any hidden piping line. coz water can also flow down from the cable or trunking as in my case last time.


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alright. will do it again either tonight , or tomorrow morning.
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Hi sifus, would appreciate your opinions on the wall leakage in the 2 bedrooms of my condo unit (1 room next to toilet, 1 room opposite toilet).

SEEKING VIEWS
1) What could be the cause of the wall leakage? I suspect the leakage is due to failed waterproofing of the bathroom floor, which leads to water seeping from bathroom into the bedrooms with laminated flooring. I didn't see any leakage on the walls with tile flooring (e.g., no leakage in kitchen, dining room, area outside bathroom).
2) Any suggestions for a reasonably-priced solution to waterproof the bathroom floor? Prefer non-hacking but a permanent solution (maybe epoxy?). If available, can also share the estimated price in Klang Valley area for a 30 sqft bathroom.
LAYOUT

The leakage is on the lower walls next to the room doors.
The leakage only appeared in the last 1 year, when unit was rented out to tenants.
Both bedrooms have laminated floor, some water damage on the laminated floor near the doors.
The rest are tiled floors (living room, dining room, toilet, area outside toilet).
So far no complaints from the unit below about any ceiling leakage.
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I have similar issue as yours, but mine turn out to be the roof.
The crack of my roof caused the water leaking into it and comes all the way down to my walls.

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also better to get some new one ya, since it's cheap and easy to get - mr diy or stationary shops
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i bought like 4-5 sets....each at RM4 ..so still got 4sets to go .. each bathroom use half set only
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i bought like 4-5 sets....each at RM4 ..so still got 4sets to go .. each bathroom use half set only
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haha ok ok

but i think i used more than 1 plasticine for each drain, so you might need to press more into it tongue.gif

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Try those acid for cleaning tiles.

My car porch slab still ok after 4 years.
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Looking for advice on waterproofing in a bare unit in Saffron Hill Denai Alam. Issue is located in the master bedroom. Appreciate for any advice on proper waterproofing method.

Thank you!

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Hi sifus,

Looking for advice on waterproofing in a bare unit in Saffron Hill Denai Alam. Issue is located in the master bedroom. Appreciate for any advice on proper waterproofing method.

Thank you!

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haha ok ok

but i think i used more than 1 plasticine for each drain, so you might need to press more into it  tongue.gif
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Hi guys, have water leak down to below condo unit problem. Looks like it is from the shower room.

Instead of hacking the tiles, is the epoxy or some so called nano type of solution can solve it permanently ? I notice Lazada/Shopee selling some China made solution for the floor, can DIY ?

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Hi Sifu,

Recently keep on raining, my flat roof/car porch roof converted to balcony with tiles.

The flat roof got leaking & the water sip through the tiles/concrete slab and the soffit of slab with painting peeling off (I bet previous Contactor did a bad waterproofing).

There is 2 solution I can thick of :-

Option 1
Further to that, I'm thinking not to do any hacking to tiles and FB keep pop out the waterproofing specialist promoting waterproofing membranes lay on top on the slab/tiles.

I would like to ask anyone here did this waterproofing membrane and solve the water sip thru the slabs/tiles? Curious did this solve the problem.

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Option 2

Clean off the surface of the tiles, apply 2 to 3 layers waterproofing on top of the tiles (e.g Nippon FLEX 200 or PENTENS T-200 UV)

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QUOTE(BlackPen @ Jan 29 2023, 12:00 AM)
Hi Sifu,

Recently keep on raining, my flat roof/car porch roof converted to balcony with tiles.

The flat roof got leaking & the water sip through the tiles/concrete slab and the soffit of slab with painting peeling off (I bet previous Contactor did a bad waterproofing).[I]

There is 2 solution I can thick of :-

[b]Option 1

Further to that, I'm thinking not to do any hacking to tiles and FB keep pop out the waterproofing specialist promoting waterproofing membranes lay on top on the slab/tiles.

I would like to ask anyone here did this waterproofing membrane and solve the water sip thru the slabs/tiles? Curious did this solve the problem.

Picture found online.

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Option 2

Clean off the surface of the tiles, apply 2 to 3 layers waterproofing on top of the tiles (e.g Nippon FLEX 200 or PENTENS T-200 UV)

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Waterproofing wont last forever.

Reasons for leak ....

1. Wear and tear.
2. Blockage in drainage
3. Crack on slab
4. Lossen tiles grouting
5. Ponding
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jan 29 2023, 10:05 AM)
Waterproofing wont last forever.

Reasons for leak ....

1. Wear and tear.
2. Blockage in drainage
3. Crack on slab
4. Lossen tiles grouting
5. Ponding
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Yes, waterproofing won’t last long as require maintenance every few years. That why I’m seeking opinions of the options above.


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Hi all.
Asking a simple question: I have done renovation on a 30 year old landed property in PJS area. When I ask about ground floor bathroom waterproofing, contractor say didn't do as ground floor not necessary. How true is this?

If need to do, is grouting and fill with waterproof epoxy sufficient?
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May i know for a bathroom leaking, internal piping.
To break the tiles (on the wall, not floor tiles), replace the water pipe, then replace new tiles (estimate break 5-6 tiles).
How much normally does it cost?

Thank you Gurus
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QUOTE(myshiokmore @ Feb 24 2023, 01:23 PM)
May i know for a bathroom leaking, internal piping.
To break the tiles (on the wall, not floor tiles), replace the water pipe, then replace new tiles (estimate break 5-6 tiles).
How much normally does it cost?

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Another point to consider is the availability of same-colour new tiles.
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Hi all.
Asking a simple question: I have done renovation on a 30 year old landed property in PJS area. When I ask about ground floor bathroom waterproofing, contractor say didn't do as ground floor not necessary. How true is this?

If need to do, is grouting and fill with waterproof epoxy sufficient?
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Hi, even construction for landed they do not apply any waterproofing at ground floor toilet.
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Hi. I have recurring car porch flat roof leaking .. Repaired once by developer by applying penten t200. It lasts for one year only and leaking is getting serious.

I am considering torch on membrane type. Anyone knkws roughly what is the price?

Or any other suggestions on waterprofing method.

Thanks in advance for providing info.


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Hi Sifus. Don't think this is entirely the right place for this question but feel free to redirect me to other thread if you think it helps.

I would like to raise the height of my floor, to the green line level as shown in the picture below. (7cm difference) in order to conceal the pipes.

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So far I received two options from different contractor, definitely love if someone can provide their two cents.

Option 1: Just taruk concrete on top of existing tiles (but need to remove the skirting) to raise it so no need to reapply water proofing.
- My concern is can the concrete lekat to existing tile?
- I learned the water proofing usually sapu up the wall level too, but given the skirting removed kan need to reapply again. How can no water proofing needed? 😅

Option 2: Remove all the tiles + skirt + reapply water proofing + taruk concrete
- This sounds like much more reasonable to me, but of course also need to fork out more money for tile removal + water proofing.

Was thinking to go with Option 1, but the red flag made me reconsider again. Please advise sifu2 sekalian 🙇‍♂️

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QUOTE(reph05 @ Apr 17 2023, 09:36 AM)
Hi Sifus. Don't think this is entirely the right place for this question but feel free to redirect me to other thread if you think it helps.

I would like to raise the height of my floor, to the green line level as shown in the picture below. (7cm difference) in order to conceal the pipes.

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So far I received two options from different contractor, definitely love if someone can provide their two cents.

Option 1: Just taruk concrete on top of existing tiles (but need to remove the skirting) to raise it  so no need to reapply water proofing.
- My concern is can the concrete lekat to existing tile?
- I learned the water proofing usually sapu up the wall level too, but given the skirting removed kan need to reapply again. How can no water proofing needed? 😅

Option 2: Remove all the tiles + skirt + reapply water proofing + taruk concrete
- This sounds like much more reasonable to me, but of course also need to fork out more money for tile removal + water proofing.

Was thinking to go with Option 1, but the red flag made me reconsider again. Please advise sifu2 sekalian 🙇‍♂️
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Have you considered hacking just that row where the blue pipe runs and bury the blue pipe inside, instead of raising the height of the floor? There must be a reason for the 70mm drop in the first place kan?
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I have a leaking cement slab of my car porch.
Initially i plan to DIY Sika 107 but instead i was adviced to use Sikacoat 500.Is sikacoat 500 better than Sika 107?Any1 have experience with it?
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I have a leaking cement slab of my car porch.
Initially i plan to DIY Sika 107 but instead i was adviced to use Sikacoat 500.Is sikacoat 500 better than Sika 107?Any1 have experience with it?
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Done waterprofing,so far no leak.Was wondering excess cement sika 107 what if i mix with water for other usage what will happneed?Any1 tried b4?My sika 107 latex already habis.
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Have some question here...below is the photo of my bathroom that's attached with my room.

Behind the wall is bathroom area...is there any other solution if doesn't want to hack all the tiles and walls or redo the whole bathroom again?





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QUOTE(cwk3344 @ Apr 27 2023, 09:32 AM)
Have some question here...below is the photo of my bathroom that's attached with my room.

Behind the wall is bathroom area...is there any other solution if doesn't want to hack all the tiles and walls or redo the whole bathroom again?


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For this, the only solution is to hack the tiles in the bathroom to about 2 or 3 ft from the floor and do water proofing. If not, you may apply muro wall finishes which requires no hacking but I am not sure about the cost.
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QUOTE(kens88` @ Feb 4 2023, 10:29 PM)
Hi all.
Asking a simple question: I have done renovation on a 30 year old landed property in PJS area. When I ask about ground floor bathroom waterproofing, contractor say didn't do as ground floor not necessary. How true is this?

If need to do, is grouting and fill with waterproof epoxy sufficient?
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This is normally true that ground floor bathroom did not require waterproofing but unfortunately, any rooms or areas next to the bathroom will have issues shown in the photos shared by cwk3344. If you are retiling your ground bathroom, it is better to do waterproofing at the wall of the bathroom to about 2 - 3 ft high.
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Hi bro,

if the ground floor ceiling have water leak during heavy windy rain, what is the possible cause?

Not sure who should i find for repairing.....

FYI, the ground floor half is partly standalone roof and partly under 1st floor bedroom.....
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Today ground floor, FLOOR have water puddle. no signs of leaking through wall or ceiling. might be water seeping through floor through tiles from either underground gutter pipe or other underground pipe

what can i do to check and rectify. is a plumber the correct guy to call for this?


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what product do you guys use to waterproof floor tiles
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QUOTE(BlackPen @ Jan 29 2023, 12:00 AM)
Hi Sifu,

Recently keep on raining, my flat roof/car porch roof converted to balcony with tiles.

The flat roof got leaking & the water sip through the tiles/concrete slab and the soffit of slab with painting peeling off (I bet previous Contactor did a bad waterproofing).

There is 2 solution I can thick of :-

Option 1
Further to that, I'm thinking not to do any hacking to tiles and FB keep pop out the waterproofing specialist promoting waterproofing membranes lay on top on the slab/tiles.

I would like to ask anyone here did this waterproofing membrane and solve the water sip thru the slabs/tiles? Curious did this solve the problem.

Picture found online.

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Option 2

Clean off the surface of the tiles, apply 2 to 3 layers waterproofing on top of the tiles (e.g Nippon FLEX 200 or PENTENS T-200 UV)

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I've used the Pentens product. Will wear after 2-3 years if outdoors. Then have to reapply.

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QUOTE(subaiku @ May 5 2023, 12:34 PM)
I've used the Pentens product. Will wear after 2-3 years if outdoors. Then have to reapply.
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I used penten for porxh slab. Not long lasting. 1 year like that already degraded and leaking
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QUOTE(subaiku @ May 5 2023, 12:34 PM)
I've used the Pentens product. Will wear after 2-3 years if outdoors. Then have to reapply.
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QUOTE(blibala @ May 5 2023, 02:12 PM)
I used penten for porxh slab. Not long lasting. 1 year like that already degraded and leaking
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I've hacked the floor and applied Sika 107 waterproofing with 3 coats with cement render smooth finish.

Decided to go for cement render, if the future leaking can directly apply on top of that.

I did the survey, Penten brand is so-so for waterproofing more to the end users.

For waterproofing, I would go for Sika, Mapei, Xypex and Bostik which usually using on highrise projects.




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QUOTE(blibala @ Apr 12 2023, 01:38 AM)
Hi. I have recurring car porch flat roof leaking .. Repaired once by developer by applying penten t200. It lasts for one year only and leaking is getting serious.

I am considering torch on membrane type. Anyone knkws roughly what is the price?

Or any other suggestions on waterprofing method.

Thanks in advance for providing info.
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I've survey, that torch waterproofing is not good for UV and few years will start dry and crack. Torch waterproofing is good for non-directly to sunlight (e.g planter box)

If the porch flat roof without assessable, do apply waterproofing directly after cleaning the flat roof is more advisable.
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QUOTE(thenuts15 @ Apr 18 2023, 12:34 PM)
I have a leaking cement slab of my car porch.
Initially i plan to DIY Sika 107 but instead i was adviced to use Sikacoat 500.Is sikacoat 500 better than Sika 107?Any1 have experience with it?
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Sika 500 with Micro-Fibres Reinforced which is long-lasting

Sika 107 is cementitious only.

When you choose waterproofing, you need to survey which area to apply & do the waterproofing required protection (e.g cement render, protective screed and etc.). Further to that Sika 500, required skillful applicator
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I stumbled across this thread and I'm glad to see someone with expertise on waterproofing and water leaking issues! Waterproofing can be a tricky thing, especially when there are complicated plumbing or concrete slab situations involved.
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QUOTE(christ14 @ May 1 2023, 08:03 AM)
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Using nanog for my bathroom floor after change all pipe still leaking , even inject the water proofing on the bottom didn't solve the issue
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Using nanog for my bathroom floor after change all pipe still leaking , even inject the water proofing on the bottom didn't solve the issue
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Ahh thats bad. Im just thinking of leaving no residue behind for this waterproofing
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Hi all, recently bought a sub sales house, it's empty for 6 years and there's Water leak. Roof broken n leaks on multiple places.

Where do I usually starts? Any recommendations specialist I can engage? Or do you think I could try to find the defect subcontractor for the job?
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Torch on Membrane, anyone used it and still experience leaking? Some provide 10 years warranty.....
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Hi all,
I plan to hack tiles and do proper waterproofing for my bathrooms property in cyberjaya.
Any recommended contractor with good track record? Please share. Thank you.
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Behind these walls is my next door neighbour. What problem could it be? My reno guy said there’s no water pipes there.

Pics are actually horizontal. The walls is located in the staircase area.

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Behind these walls is my next door neighbour. What problem could it be? My reno guy said there’s no water pipes there.

Pics are actually horizontal. The walls is located in the staircase area.
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So did you managed to find the root cause? And how much to fix this?
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Hi all, recently bought a sub sales house, it's empty for 6 years and there's Water leak. Roof broken n leaks on multiple places.

Where do I usually starts? Any recommendations specialist I can engage? Or do you think I could try to find the defect subcontractor for the job?
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Try look for sika supplier at your area
ask for their recommended contact, gets few name for price comparison
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Hi all, I just bought a subsale intermediate house 22x70 (roughly 10 years old), but big headache now because of water leaking problem.

1st: major leak on the side wall 2nd floor. Previous owner also experienced leak so he did waterproofing to the water tank slab 2 years ago but now there are signs of leaking as well. The water tank is open air as seen in the picture. I've asked 2 "roof water leak experts" to view before, the 1st one suggest that it's the firewall (wall between my house and neighbour's house) that is letting water in. The 2nd one suggested that the previous owner's waterproofing not done well, but never mentioned about the wall, don't know is it because he's not as professional as the 1st?

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Both experts also suggested to do torch on membrane on all roof flashing, and the top part the "backbone", but the 1st one quoted to build an entire roof over the open air water tank to prevent water from going into the side wall. They will also help to replace or fix cracked roof tiles.

1st one quoted 10k just for fixing everything and building the small roof and adding membrane at V gutter. 5 years warranty.
2nd one quoted around 7-8k for doing lesser things, but even include washing and new coating. 5 years warranty.

Previous owner had contractors to seal the roof here and there with cement and both of them also very very disapprove on that.

Anyone had any experience doing full water proofing with membranes? Is the price ok?



2nd: Previous owner said 2 of the upstairs bathroom was leaking so he renovated both the bathrooms, but now ground floor below master bathroom can see water leak marks again. The 1st expert mentioned up there did a quick check and found many many many "empty" tiles in the renovated bathrooms and cracks in the part between 2 tiles. Does that mean I need to redo the entire bathroom again?

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Also, most of the serious watermarks seem to be on the wall that's touching the neighbour, not like middle of the plaster ceiling. How do I know it's not the neighbour's problem?

Sorry for the long post, jjust very desperate and very miskin now console.gif


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QUOTE(BlackPen @ May 8 2023, 10:37 AM)
I've hacked the floor and applied Sika 107 waterproofing with 3 coats with cement render smooth finish.

Decided to go for cement render, if the future leaking can directly apply on top of that.

I did the survey, Penten brand is so-so for waterproofing more to the end users.

For waterproofing, I would go for Sika, Mapei, Xypex and Bostik which usually using on highrise projects.
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How much it costs? no more leaking?
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QUOTE(thinkgoodpositive @ Aug 3 2023, 10:08 AM)
How much it costs? no more leaking?
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No more leaking, this is the best conventional way

cost 4k
Labour to hack and clean
Labour to apply waterproofing & waterproofing sika 107 (RM79 x 3) bought by myself
Labour and material for cement & sand paving

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QUOTE(XweienX @ Aug 2 2023, 08:55 PM)
Hi all, I just bought a subsale intermediate house 22x70 (roughly 10 years old), but big headache now because of water leaking problem.

1st: major leak on the side wall 2nd floor. Previous owner also experienced leak so he did waterproofing to the water tank slab 2 years ago but now there are signs of leaking as well. The water tank is open air as seen in the picture. I've asked 2 "roof water leak experts" to view before, the 1st one suggest that it's the firewall (wall between my house and neighbour's house) that is letting water in. The 2nd one suggested that the previous owner's waterproofing not done well, but never mentioned about the wall, don't know is it because he's not as professional as the 1st?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Both experts also suggested to do torch on membrane on all roof flashing, and the top part the "backbone", but the 1st one quoted to build an entire roof over the open air water tank to prevent water from going into the side wall. They will also help to replace or fix cracked roof tiles.

1st one quoted 10k just for fixing everything and building the small roof and adding membrane at V gutter. 5 years warranty.
2nd one quoted around 7-8k for doing lesser things, but even include washing and new coating. 5 years warranty.

Previous owner had contractors to seal the roof here and there with cement and both of them also very very disapprove on that.

Anyone had any experience doing full water proofing with membranes? Is the price ok?
2nd: Previous owner said 2 of the upstairs bathroom was leaking so he renovated both the bathrooms, but now ground floor below master bathroom can see water leak marks again. The 1st expert mentioned up there did a quick check and found many many many "empty" tiles in the renovated bathrooms and cracks in the part between 2 tiles. Does that mean I need to redo the entire bathroom again?

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Also, most of the serious watermarks seem to be on the wall that's touching the neighbour, not like middle of the plaster ceiling. How do I know it's not the neighbour's problem?

Sorry for the long post, jjust very desperate and very miskin now  console.gif
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1st picture, i suggest you do conventional waterproofing. Torchlight membrane will not last long as the product will crack and sip water in if to direct sunlight

2nd picture, sure you need to hack the toilet and apply waterproofing again.

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QUOTE(BlackPen @ Aug 3 2023, 08:18 PM)
1st picture, i suggest you do conventional waterproofing. Torchlight membrane will not last long as the product will crack and sip water in if to direct sunlight

2nd picture, sure you need to hack the toilet and apply waterproofing again.
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I recently bought a subsale house which about 8 yrs old. Now the roof top is leaking and caused the ceiling koyak already. my contractor quote me 15k to hack the cement at roof top, 3 layer water proofing and put back cement and add 1 more layer water proof on surface. Is it expensive or the price reasonable?

Also the master room balcony and 1 of the bed room balcony also got leaking issue. He also recommended to redo the whole thing by remove the tiles and do water proof then install back the tiles. Both job he quoted me another 13K.

Total damage bout RM 29K jus for water proofing.
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I recently bought a subsale house which about 8 yrs old. Now the roof top is leaking and caused the ceiling koyak already. my contractor quote me 15k to hack the cement at roof top, 3 layer water proofing and put back cement and add 1 more layer water proof on surface. Is it expensive or the price reasonable?

Also the master room balcony and 1 of the bed room balcony also got leaking issue. He also recommended to redo the whole thing by remove the tiles and do water proof then install back the tiles. Both job he quoted me another 13K.

Total damage bout RM 29K jus for water proofing.
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sqft of each balcony?
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Hi all, been having this problem for years at parents home. This location is the downstairs bathroom located directly below 2 bathrooms upstairs.

Problem started 10 years ago. When parents broke the tiles and did new. But then problem came back in 2019 and the plaster ceiling collapsed.

Engaged contractor again to fix the leak by putting cement around the "problem areas". Meanwhile my dad tried many methods of DIY and different types of sealant and epoxy for the bathrooms upstairs. However 2023 today and seems like its not fixed at all. And the leak this time seems worse, the asbestos seems like gonna collapse anytime.

Need help. Thank you

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condo water leaking, duno where, quoted 4k .... good bargin?

or any other recommended contractor?
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QUOTE(gordon12334545 @ Jul 21 2020, 10:00 PM)
Hi, I am living in a Mid floor Condo, the affected area is the wall near my 2nd toilet. I am facing some issue where paint started to bubble and in certain areas Mold started to grow, at first i thought it was a water leakage, but when I look at the water bills it seems fine( RM 12- 15) per month. When I touch the walls, it seems very powdery even the steel door frame started to rust a bit from below. FYI There is no pipes in the Left wall.

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My goodness...

I'm really sorry to hear about the leaks in your apartment or condo near the walls and toilets. That can be super frustrating! But don't worry, we're here to help.

Leaks can happen for various reasons, but the good news is they can be fixed. First, it's a good idea to contact your building maintenance or management team, as they might be responsible for addressing these issues in common areas.

If you're dealing with a leak inside your unit, they should still be able to guide you on the next steps. They might send a plumber to assess the situation and make necessary repairs.

And if you ever need a reliable roofing and plumbing expert, you can also reach out to Mr. Alex from Master Roof at 018-3788226

his website https://master-roof.com/. He's got you covered!

Remember, you're not alone in facing this issue, and there are professionals ready to assist you. If you need any more advice or have specific questions, feel free to ask. We're here to support you through this! 🏢💧

Good luck! hope ur issue is resolved though and for future anyone else who needs a second opinion can contact this dude. Alex until we find someone better or Alex is no longer in biz haha.

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Hi sifus, I live in a high rise condo, Recently my kitchen window started to see water marks after heavy rain around the bottom left side, Last time the defect team just put the silicone sealant around the outside of the window sides but now started to leak again. Is replacing the silicone will help with this issue? or need to apply some coating first before applying the new sealant?

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Good day. Any recommended contractor within PJ area? Im staying condo 4th floor. 3rd floor owner complained on leak on their ceiling. Need pro to check and provide estimate so i can give to my landlord. Thanks guys.
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Hi all, my outdoor wall lamps are frequently spoiling despite them being so-called 'waterproof' and has this rubber band inside - seems like the rain water is somehow sipping in - what i can do to prevent this?
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Hi all, my outdoor wall lamps are frequently spoiling despite them being so-called 'waterproof' and has this rubber band inside - seems like the rain water is somehow sipping in - what i can do to prevent this?
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A picture would have been helpful?! biggrin.gif

Based on my previous experience( at relatives home), either a silicon or a transparent tape had been helpful, again depending on the lamp type. Else consider getting a newer one
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Oct 8 2024, 09:11 PM)
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Based on my previous experience( at relatives home), either a silicon or a transparent tape had been helpful, again depending on the lamp type. Else consider getting a newer one
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Here you go, the type of wall lamp that has 3 bulbs top and bottom
coldzerotarget
post Oct 10 2024, 08:22 PM

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Hi All,

Looking on some pointers if I am being overcharged (too much). I am being quoted RM 5,000 for labour and material to replace the piping in my condo (25 year old) with 25mm diameter PPR surface mounting only, with no removal of existing piping.

Condo size is 960 square feet, roughly square, so the dimensions is shorter than my sketch (sketch is half the unit layout, so probably 10 m long by 4.5 m wide in reality).

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The quoted works are for entry from water meter (WM) to Master Bath (MBWC) 1 = 4 Point, Middle Bath (MWC) 2 = 4 Point, Dry Kitchen 1 Point, Wet Kitchen 1 Point, Washing Machine (WM) = 1 Point. Layout should be roughly 2 main branches as per sketch, with water meter at bottom left.

Appreciate any thoughts on the matter as soon as possible, thanks.

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post Oct 23 2024, 07:21 AM

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my bathroom wall is always wet. now growing fungus already. sad.gif 90 degree to that wall is a wall with my bathroom water shutoff valve. I suspect water leak from that line.

all pipes are hidden inside concrete. I hate this design a lot.

how much does it cost to rectify this? how many days to rectify? it will involve hacking open the wall.

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post Dec 9 2024, 11:24 AM

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Hi,

On top of the master bedroom toilet of my house is a small RC slab (around 80 sqft), as per the google map screenshot below.

Currently suspected water leaking from here until the GF wall between my house and the neightbour. As the bathroom is fully tiled up, suspected the water leaks behind the wall tiles from the roof down to the GF wall.

Got 1 contractor recommending painting with Sika waterproofing (1k), but I think this will not last long?

Another contractor recommended torch-on membrane (2.7k). From the posts in this thread, sounds like this is also not a good solution as it's directly exposed to sunlight, might be able to last only a few years. Is it correct?

May I know if there's any other better solution? Or the torch-on membrane is ok for this situation?

Thanks

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post Dec 9 2024, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(lowyat101 @ Dec 9 2024, 11:24 AM)
Hi,

On top of the master bedroom toilet of my house is a small RC slab (around 80 sqft), as per the google map screenshot below.

Currently suspected water leaking from here until the GF wall between my house and the neightbour. As the bathroom is fully tiled up, suspected the water leaks behind the wall tiles from the roof down to the GF wall.

Got 1 contractor recommending painting with Sika waterproofing (1k), but I think this will not last long?

Another contractor recommended torch-on membrane (2.7k). From the posts in this thread, sounds like this is also not a good solution as it's directly exposed to sunlight, might be able to last only a few years. Is it correct?

May I know if there's any other better solution? Or the torch-on membrane is ok for this situation?

Thanks
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Maybe get few more contractor's opinion?
I had been having roof issues for the past 10 years, had multiple repairment came and some even provided warranty, but non resolved the issue, until last year, I went with membrane wrap. Finally its been peaceful year!

I'm not sure why you had indicated it doesnt it doesnt stand heat/sunlight? It is a tar like wrap, and its heated to have semi-melting and sticks on the surface. It suppose to last long, and generally comes with long warranty as well. Yeah its a little costly, personally , atleast for my situatio n it worked perfectly.
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post Dec 9 2024, 11:11 PM

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Torch-on membrane is only effective if all the joints and terminations are done properly and the overall installation is carried out meticulously.

However, any small gap between the membrane and your roof slab can allow water to seep through, potentially leading to even worse leakage problems on your roof.

Theoretically all water proofing material has its lifespan. So, it is important that you make sure that your slab has gradient for water to channel to drain efficiently
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post Dec 9 2024, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(lowyat101 @ Dec 9 2024, 11:24 AM)
Hi,

On top of the master bedroom toilet of my house is a small RC slab (around 80 sqft), as per the google map screenshot below.

Currently suspected water leaking from here until the GF wall between my house and the neightbour. As the bathroom is fully tiled up, suspected the water leaks behind the wall tiles from the roof down to the GF wall.

Got 1 contractor recommending painting with Sika waterproofing (1k), but I think this will not last long?

Another contractor recommended torch-on membrane (2.7k). From the posts in this thread, sounds like this is also not a good solution as it's directly exposed to sunlight, might be able to last only a few years. Is it correct?

May I know if there's any other better solution? Or the torch-on membrane is ok for this situation?

Thanks

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Cover it with a roof.
Example PU metal roof

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post Dec 10 2024, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(noien @ Dec 9 2024, 11:40 PM)
Cover it with a roof.
Example PU metal roof
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Ya thought about this too, but there's a rain water downpipe from the upper roof so will need some relocation. Also the headspace will be very low at this area if I would to put the new roof a bit lower than the existing upper roof, then will not be accessible for the maintenance of the aircond outdoor units since they are located at this area as per the picture below. Any other suggestions? hmm.gif hmm.gif

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post Dec 10 2024, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(lowyat101 @ Dec 10 2024, 09:02 AM)
Ya thought about this too, but there's a rain water downpipe from the upper roof so will need some relocation. Also the headspace will be very low at this area if I would to put the new roof a bit lower than the existing upper roof, then will not be accessible for the maintenance of the aircond outdoor units since they are located at this area as per the picture below. Any other suggestions?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

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Make it foldable instead? Like u can lock the whole piece of roof down and remove the lock and lift it up to do maintenance
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QUOTE(noien @ Dec 10 2024, 09:07 AM)
Make it foldable instead? Like u can lock the whole piece of roof down and remove the lock and lift it up to do maintenance
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Thanks, interesting idea. Let me look for some contractors to discuss with them on this thumbsup.gif

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post Dec 10 2024, 09:29 AM

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Anyone has a reliable waterproofing specialist to recommend? It seems my (back) balcony is leaking to the ceiling of my backyard. Problem is my balcony is laid with tiles.
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QUOTE(chiwawa10 @ Dec 10 2024, 09:29 AM)
Anyone has a reliable waterproofing specialist to recommend? It seems my (back) balcony is leaking to the ceiling of my backyard. Problem is my balcony is laid with tiles.
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How bad is the leak? If only minor then can try this. My previous house the bathroom was leaking and found out some tile grouting had broken. Bought the grout from hardware shop, patched it up and it was able to last for years. You might want to try this first see if it helps.
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post Dec 10 2024, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(lowyat101 @ Dec 10 2024, 09:36 AM)
How bad is the leak? If only minor then can try this. My previous house the bathroom was leaking and found out some tile grouting had broken. Bought the grout from hardware shop, patched it up and it was able to last for years. You might want to try this first see if it helps.
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The grouting seems fine. My suspect is the waterproofing. When I took delivery of the house already noticed got this leaking problem. Complained to developer and they redo the waterproofing by removing all the tiles plus the top layer cement, apply the black layer waterproofing and redo the floor. But then the problem seems to come back again. Now no more warranty from developer.
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post Dec 10 2024, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(chiwawa10 @ Dec 10 2024, 10:05 AM)
The grouting seems fine. My suspect is the waterproofing. When I took delivery of the house already noticed got this leaking problem. Complained to developer and they redo the waterproofing by removing all the tiles plus the top layer cement, apply the black layer waterproofing and redo the floor. But then the problem seems to come back again. Now no more warranty from developer.
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I see. For indoor bathrooms I've seen people doing this epoxy flake coating on top of the tiles, to avoid the hassle of hacking and dust especially if you are already living there. But not sure if it's suitable for your case since it believe your balcony is open to rain and shine? Maybe can double check with the contractors.

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Hi all sifus here

I am staying in condo. One of the bedroom wall paint are bubbling (not sure how this happen).
This bedroom wall are facing outside/external. There is no water services running on this wall.
The other bedroom wall facing the same outside/external don't have this issue.


So, i plan to repaint my unit bedroom, what treatment should i do on this wall before painting?
Apply acrylic wall sealer like Nippon 5170 will help? or any negative waterproofing that will help.

Any suggestions are welcomed.

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i noticed alot uses waterproffing method using membrane/paint type.Why not many people used PU injection?I know is expensive but isnt it reliable and quite permanent solution.

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post May 19 2025, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(thenuts15 @ May 19 2025, 10:20 AM)
i noticed alot uses waterproffing method using membrane/paint type.Why not many people used PU injection?I know is expensive but isnt it reliable and quite permanent solution.
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PU injection is not efficient will definitely reoccur in short time. I did 5 times of pu injection and all failed in few months
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post May 20 2025, 07:29 AM

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Amybody else tried PU injection?How was it?

Lately i encounter alot offering witth fiberglass waterproofing methos.Is it good?

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QUOTE(blibala @ May 19 2025, 10:35 AM)
PU injection is not efficient will definitely reoccur in short time. I did 5 times of pu injection and all failed in few months
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The fail PU injection happened at the same site or different location?
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post May 26 2025, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(thenuts15 @ May 26 2025, 08:05 AM)
The fail PU injection happened at the same site or different location?
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similar location or nearby spot. PU injection is temporary solution. If u insist for PU injection, please ask for longer warranty period

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QUOTE(blibala @ May 26 2025, 09:41 AM)
similar location or nearby spot. PU injection is temporary solution. If u insist for PU injection, please ask for longer warranty period
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how much u paid for session PU injection?
How many points they created per session?
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Anyone tried mixgel waterproofing? Is this same as PU?
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how much does it cost for waterproofing?

 

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