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post Jan 17 2013, 06:07 PM, updated 10y ago

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Harvey Norman selling rm1599 Mitsubishi inverter 1HP incl installation, is this ok?
And I found in forum, member selling Daikin for inverter 1HP but using R22 at RM 1400 also incl installation.
Is Daikin inverter using R401 better?
And is the above price ok?
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I am also sourcing for Daikin inverter air-con. This brand is not popular in Malaysia, but in Singapore, they are valued brand.

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QUOTE(gedebe @ Jan 17 2013, 06:07 PM)
Harvey Norman selling rm1599 Mitsubishi inverter 1HP incl installation, is this ok?
And I found in forum, member selling Daikin for inverter 1HP but using R22 at RM 1400 also incl installation.
Is Daikin inverter using R401 better?
And is the above price ok?
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See this:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1900533
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post Jan 18 2013, 01:19 AM

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How bout york?
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From the previous thread here
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3392124

Let's we start from V3 here..

Post your Aircon sharing here.

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post Jun 8 2015, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 8 2015, 05:34 PM)
From the previous thread here
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3392124

Let's we start from V3 here..

Post your Aircon sharing here.

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kimsim where can I put my 1/2hp mhi aircon in my bedroom?


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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 8 2015, 05:46 PM)
kimsim where can I put my 1/2hp mhi aircon in my bedroom?
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post Jun 8 2015, 06:01 PM

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this is a small indoor of MHI with big outdoor

Size (L x W x H) indoor 262 x 614 x 210 mm
Outdoor 437 x 708.7 x 336 mm

http://www.lazada.com.my/mitsubishi-srk09c...er-1139748.html

kimsim please review this mhi aircon

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thanks a lot. that's what I planned. However, still concern waste the flow since aircon facing only 3m flow whereas MHI flow can do 15m airflow. The bed is not like that in middle, I plan to sleep facing door liao to save space biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 8 2015, 06:06 PM)
thanks a lot. that's what I planned. However, still concern waste the flow since aircon facing only 3m flow whereas MHI flow can do 15m airflow. The bed is not like that in middle, I plan to sleep facing door liao to save space biggrin.gif
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Facing door is incorrect lah, later you have more dream than you sleep well

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 8 2015, 06:01 PM)
this is a small indoor of MHI with big outdoor

Size (L x W x H)  indoor  262 x 614 x 210 mm
Outdoor 437 x 708.7 x 336 mm

http://www.lazada.com.my/mitsubishi-srk09c...er-1139748.html

kimsim please review this mhi aircon
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Done get 1hp just go with 1.5hp at least, even Gree also do well.

6m oops is long, just seriously

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Normally how they gorek the lobang for piping etc? How big a hole do they need to make? Will it be a big mess with dust everywhere?
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jun 8 2015, 07:02 PM)
Normally how they gorek the lobang for piping etc? How big a hole do they need to make? Will it be a big mess with dust everywhere?
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They use a drill machine to hack off the walls, for sure is everywhere dust & flying dust too.

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Now having a bit of trouble, after I installed awning in my backyard. I realized there is nowhere for technicians to carry down the outdoor unit for servicing in the future. Unless they go all the way to the backyard path. Is it possible to do a general cleaning and service without taking the unit down?
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A disappointing and frustrated day.

Today the contractor come my house to install my ME aircond, suppose i should be very happy on that, however is a nightmare for me.

My house aircond copper was concealed one, is a 0.6mm thickness pipe that suitable for RA410 gas. However due to not long enuf, they have to extend the copper pipe by welding on the existing pipe.

One thing they really surprise me was how they test the concealed pipe whether block or not is by blow the tube using their mouth ohmy.gif I really not confident for the method they used, i suppose they are better way to test it. So they continue to weld the pipe and install in door and out door unit. After they welded and bend the pipe, they not even test it again. So, i have nothing to say but 'trust' them.

Upon finished installation, turn ON the aircond, i felt very weird, the coldness is not what i expected, is just slightly colder than ambient despite they set 16'C on 1st run, so they told me run it for 1 hour only turn OFF. They check the aircond (both in door and out door) is running then they just finished the job and go back. After they back, roughly 15 minutes, i still not feel the coldness that suppose to be. I sense something wrong there, so i check the outdoor unit, i saw the fan turn OFF itself after 2-3 minutes run. When the fan is running, i check the air blow out is not hot at all, is just at ambient temp, so i suspect the compressor is not working at all.

I called back that contractor immediately, they promised settle for me by today. After 2 hours they came back and check for me. They said the copper pipe is OK (I dun know how they check without dismantle anything), then wiring OK. They check the compressor gas pressure and everything, can't find the root cause. Then they called to their boss, their boss just order them 'remotely'. That time adi 7:30pm, i adi cooked my meal so i just have dinner with my wife in the dinning room, after i go out to see again. WTF, they open up my outdoor unit and i saw they spray water into the unit. I ask them what problem, they said the compressor motor is too hot so it cut off itself, the gas inside is low, and due to compressor cut off, they can't pump in the gas, so they spray water to cool down, hopefully can pump in the gas when the compressor start running. I really speechless at that moment. They are just electrician, not ME service man, and they are not open the unit with proper procedure, out of 4 screw on the grill panel, they just open 2 of them and pry off the casing at one end to check, it made a big dent on the casing and grill, really heart breaking.

The outcome is they have no idea how to fix it, and said it need to wait for ME to check, if is not ME fault, they will only check the piping again.

I'm really angry with them now, no matter the unit got problem or not, i won't accept that outdoor unit anymore, instead i will ask for a replacement for that. vmad.gif Now the aircond is installed but i can't use, how frustrated for that.

Anyway, the good news is, the aircond total price is 1.9k, and i only paid RM100 for deposit only. If they really don't want to replace a new unit for me, I WILL NOT PAY THE REST TO THEM. shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 8 2015, 09:42 PM)
A disappointing and frustrated day.

Today the contractor come my house to install my ME aircond, suppose i should be very happy on that, however is a nightmare for me.

My house aircond copper was concealed one, is a 0.6mm thickness pipe that suitable for RA410 gas. However due to not long enuf, they have to extend the copper pipe by welding on the existing pipe.

One thing they really surprise me was how they test the concealed pipe whether block or not is by blow the tube using their mouth ohmy.gif I really not confident for the method they used, i suppose they are better way to test it. So they continue to weld the pipe and install in door and out door unit. After they welded and bend the pipe, they not even test it again. So, i have nothing to say but 'trust' them.

Upon finished installation, turn ON the aircond, i felt very weird, the coldness is not what i expected, is just slightly colder than ambient despite they set 16'C on 1st run, so they told me run it for 1 hour only turn OFF. They check the aircond (both in door and out door) is running then they just finished the job and go back. After they back, roughly 15 minutes, i still not feel the coldness that suppose to be. I sense something wrong there, so i check the outdoor unit, i saw the fan turn OFF itself after 2-3 minutes run. When the fan is running, i check the air blow out is not hot at all, is just at ambient temp, so i suspect the compressor is not working at all.

I called back that contractor immediately, they promised settle for me by today. After 2 hours they came back and check for me. They said the copper pipe is OK (I dun know how they check without dismantle anything), then wiring OK. They check the compressor gas pressure and everything, can't find the root cause. Then they called to their boss, their boss just order them 'remotely'. That time adi 7:30pm, i adi cooked my meal so i just have dinner with my wife in the dinning room, after i go out to see again. WTF, they open up my outdoor unit and i saw they spray water into the unit. I ask them what problem, they said the compressor motor is too hot so it cut off itself, the gas inside is low, and due to compressor cut off, they can't pump in the gas, so they spray water to cool down, hopefully can pump in the gas when the compressor start running. I really speechless at that moment. They are just electrician, not ME service man, and they are not open the unit with proper procedure, out of 4 screw on the grill panel, they just open 2 of them and pry off the casing at one end to check, it made a big dent on the casing and grill, really heart breaking.

The outcome is they have no idea how to fix it, and said it need to wait for ME to check, if is not ME fault, they will only check the piping again.

I'm really angry with them now, no matter the unit got problem or not, i won't accept that outdoor unit anymore, instead i will ask for a replacement for that. vmad.gif Now the aircond is installed but i can't use, how frustrated for that.

Anyway, the good news is, the aircond total price is 1.9k, and i only paid RM100 for deposit only. If they really don't want to replace a new unit for me, I WILL NOT PAY THE REST TO THEM. shakehead.gif
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hello guys,
20ft x 20 ft - 1.5hp
20ft x 25 ft - 2.0hp

do u guys think there are sufficient horse power?
i intend to install ME.

thank you
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QUOTE(nanpengyou @ Jun 8 2015, 10:04 PM)
hello guys,
20ft x 20 ft - 1.5hp
20ft x 25 ft - 2.0hp

do u guys think there are sufficient horse power?
i intend to install ME.

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Actually Daikin GA inverter 2hp very sufficient too

That day I when to my customer house and do demo robot vacuum to them, they installed 2hp Daikin inverter can cover around that size of 20x25ft.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 8 2015, 06:42 PM)
Done get 1hp just go with 1.5hp at least, even Gree also do well.

6m oops is long, just seriously
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mHI is cheaper than gree.

6m oops what do you mean? 60cm width? even ME got 80cm width indoor

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 8 2015, 11:07 PM)
Actually Daikin GA inverter 2hp very sufficient too

That day I when to my customer house and do demo robot vacuum to them, they installed 2hp Daikin inverter can cover around that size of 20x25ft.
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im not interested to purchase Daikin since it is york now.
My areas are living hall 20x25and kitchen 20x20.
i intend to purchase ME deluxe non- inverter.
Do you think a good choices to get 2.0 and 1.5 ME?
thank you so much

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 8 2015, 09:42 PM)
A disappointing and frustrated day.

Today the contractor come my house to install my ME aircond, suppose i should be very happy on that, however is a nightmare for me.

My house aircond copper was concealed one, is a 0.6mm thickness pipe that suitable for RA410 gas. However due to not long enuf, they have to extend the copper pipe by welding on the existing pipe.

One thing they really surprise me was how they test the concealed pipe whether block or not is by blow the tube using their mouth ohmy.gif I really not confident for the method they used, i suppose they are better way to test it. So they continue to weld the pipe and install in door and out door unit. After they welded and bend the pipe, they not even test it again. So, i have nothing to say but 'trust' them.

Upon finished installation, turn ON the aircond, i felt very weird, the coldness is not what i expected, is just slightly colder than ambient despite they set 16'C on 1st run, so they told me run it for 1 hour only turn OFF. They check the aircond (both in door and out door) is running then they just finished the job and go back. After they back, roughly 15 minutes, i still not feel the coldness that suppose to be. I sense something wrong there, so i check the outdoor unit, i saw the fan turn OFF itself after 2-3 minutes run. When the fan is running, i check the air blow out is not hot at all, is just at ambient temp, so i suspect the compressor is not working at all.

I called back that contractor immediately, they promised settle for me by today. After 2 hours they came back and check for me. They said the copper pipe is OK (I dun know how they check without dismantle anything), then wiring OK. They check the compressor gas pressure and everything, can't find the root cause. Then they called to their boss, their boss just order them 'remotely'. That time adi 7:30pm, i adi cooked my meal so i just have dinner with my wife in the dinning room, after i go out to see again. WTF, they open up my outdoor unit and i saw they spray water into the unit. I ask them what problem, they said the compressor motor is too hot so it cut off itself, the gas inside is low, and due to compressor cut off, they can't pump in the gas, so they spray water to cool down, hopefully can pump in the gas when the compressor start running. I really speechless at that moment. They are just electrician, not ME service man, and they are not open the unit with proper procedure, out of 4 screw on the grill panel, they just open 2 of them and pry off the casing at one end to check, it made a big dent on the casing and grill, really heart breaking.

The outcome is they have no idea how to fix it, and said it need to wait for ME to check, if is not ME fault, they will only check the piping again.

I'm really angry with them now, no matter the unit got problem or not, i won't accept that outdoor unit anymore, instead i will ask for a replacement for that. vmad.gif Now the aircond is installed but i can't use, how frustrated for that.

Anyway, the good news is, the aircond total price is 1.9k, and i only paid RM100 for deposit only. If they really don't want to replace a new unit for me, I WILL NOT PAY THE REST TO THEM. shakehead.gif
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Using mouth to blow are the normal work they do. Because they have the sensor(if blocked, it can't blow through).
But after extending the pipe with welding but never blow again are wrong.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Jun 9 2015, 09:38 AM)
Using mouth to blow are the normal work they do. Because they have the sensor(if blocked, it can't blow through).
But after extending the pipe with welding but never blow again are wrong.
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The contractor dun have exprience at all.

Can be use gas to blow in the copper before they lock the nuts
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QUOTE(supersound @ Jun 9 2015, 09:38 AM)
Using mouth to blow are the normal work they do. Because they have the sensor(if blocked, it can't blow through).
But after extending the pipe with welding but never blow again are wrong.
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my contractor didnt blow after welded the pipe..i donno need to blow also laugh.gif laugh.gif ...anyway , ntg wrong with my aircon so far after 1-2months...
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Just ban those unqualified contractors.Dont give business to them. Reveal their name and contacts here.
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Just ban those unqualified contractors.Dont give business to them. Reveal their name and contacts here.
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QUOTE(^Ware^wolf @ Jun 9 2015, 10:33 AM)
my contractor didnt blow after welded the pipe..i donno need to blow also laugh.gif  laugh.gif ...anyway , ntg wrong with my aircon so far after 1-2months...
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Yup, you are right on this, blow job are not a must laugh.gif
But usually some will do such blow job as to confirm no rework if have problems.
That's why I don't really like conceal piping as far as possible.
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QUOTE(sentinal3_16 @ Jun 9 2015, 10:38 AM)
Just ban those unqualified contractors.Dont give business to them. Reveal their name and contacts here.
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You won't know until you get cheated.
That's why if you are renovating your house, always prepare the hole for piping/wiring first.
Then install 1 air cond to test market, if ok then only install others.
But since you want people to reveal the name, in Seremban, always avoid buying appliance from Thye Hin Sermban and installer Kah Air cond.
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kimsim, better to have outdoor below/above the indoor?

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 9 2015, 01:38 PM)
kimsim, better to have outdoor below/above the indoor?

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That is depend the condition

1. Like bungalow type can place anywhere as you like.
2. Apartment only at Aircon leadge
3. Terrace house only front or back
4. Contractor wanna save copper pipe then just place side by side will do.
5. In M'sia really unsafe cause everyone can steal the outdoor unit as well



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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 9 2015, 01:54 PM)
That is depend the condition

1. Like bungalow type can place anywhere as you like.
2. Apartment only at Aircon leadge
3. Terrace house only front or back
4. Contractor wanna save copper pipe then just place side by side will do.
5. In M'sia really unsafe cause everyone can steal the outdoor unit as well
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heard from someone. to better cooling better put outdoor unit location below the indoor. outdoor very heavy also steal? just grill it la. why aircon made in thailand better than others?
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 9 2015, 02:01 PM)
heard from someone. to better cooling better put outdoor unit location below the indoor. outdoor very heavy also steal? just grill it la. why aircon made in thailand better than others?
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can ask Aircon man too.

Thailand more cheapest than direct Japan or Korean
Cause salary was low

China got thier brand too.. Also setup in China for shipping cost higher than Thailand too
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QUOTE(supersound @ Jun 9 2015, 12:30 PM)
You won't know until you get cheated.
That's why if you are renovating your house, always prepare the hole for piping/wiring first.
Then install 1 air cond to test market, if ok then only install others.
But since you want people to reveal the name, in Seremban, always avoid buying appliance from Thye Hin Sermban and installer Kah Air cond.
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1 sentence more than thousand words.

I buy things based on price, who the hell they sub the job we won't know unless we tried.

But again, I STILL HAVE RM1.8K YET TO PAY, see who patient enough lo. I willing to pay 100 deposit for know how bad was that.

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 9 2015, 02:07 PM)
1 sentence more than thousand words.

I buy things based on price, who the hell they sub the job we won't know unless we tried.

But again, I STILL HAVE RM1.8K YET TO PAY, see who patient enough lo. I willing to pay 100 deposit for know how bad was that.
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100 rm you also got cheated. how about people buy at lazada pay upfront?
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 9 2015, 10:10 AM)
The contractor dun have exprience at all.

Can be use gas to blow in the copper before they lock the nuts
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Too sad the majority technician quality in Malaysia really suck, really really suck. Technician in other country need at least diploma for that, but here, those with low education/with every subjects gred F can be declared as 'electrician'. Sorry if anyone here got offended.

The boss that i speak through phone is nice manner, everything OK. But their workers are just pure teenage bastard.

Put the outdoor unit at floor and sit on top of that without my permission, even when i'm around they saw nothing.
During installation, only 2 out of 4 is work for that, but i can see they have no experience at all. That just half play half work, not serious at all.

From my point of view, those guys are just a teenage that can't study well and been kicked out of further education kind of ppl. No knowledge, but come to install stuff that need high technical knowledge, when problem happen, they only know dismantle this and that to rework/recheck. Sei sohigh, i don think those guys will have any bright future.
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 9 2015, 02:31 PM)
Too sad the majority technician quality in Malaysia really suck, really really suck. Technician in other country need at least diploma for that, but here, those with low education/with every subjects gred F can be declared as 'electrician'. Sorry if anyone here got offended.

The boss that i speak through phone is nice manner, everything OK. But their workers are just pure teenage bastard.

Put the outdoor unit at floor and sit on top of that without my permission, even when i'm around they saw nothing.
During installation, only 2 out of 4 is work for that, but i can see they have no experience at all. That just half play half work, not serious at all.

From my point of view, those guys are just a teenage that can't study well and been kicked out of further education kind of ppl. No knowledge, but come to install stuff that need high technical knowledge, when problem happen, they only know dismantle this and that to rework/recheck. Sei sohigh, i don think those guys will have any bright future.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 9 2015, 02:34 PM)
Is a shop or resaller failed
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I previously have bought my TV and washer from the same shop, that's why i bought the aircond from them this time.

But obviously the contractor for aircond is different from last time (i dun think TV and washer need contractor/electrician for that), and this one is pure bastard.
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 9 2015, 02:38 PM)
I previously have bought my TV and washer from the same shop, that's why i bought the aircond from them this time.

But obviously the contractor for aircond is different from last time (i dun think TV and washer need contractor/electrician for that), and this one is pure bastard.
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Nowadays weather hotter than b4, that is why have many unprofessional come in town to do sub-Con and engaged cheap was learning stage to serve you guy.

In JB have lot of fully Aircon shop seldom got it happen, especially Eletronic shop will do it such thing
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 9 2015, 02:44 PM)
Nowadays weather hotter than b4, that is why have many unprofessional come in town to do sub-Con and engaged cheap was learning stage to serve you guy.

In JB have lot of fully Aircon shop seldom got it happen, especially Eletronic shop will do it such thing
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Yesterday that guy told me compressor got run, but cut off due to too hot, and the gas level inside is low.

For the ppl that got some sense on aircond system will know this either due to compressor run out of gas (due to piping leakage) or the piping is bend and dented so the pressure is too high due to restricted flow. Unless i really fucking unlucky to get a lemon unit which i believe the chance is low. That's why i almost 100% confirm something is wrong in during installation, and the most suspicious one is the piping.

I asked him piping ok or not, he said: I check adi no leak no bend...WTF, how do you know there is no leak without leak test..i really speechless.

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 9 2015, 03:09 PM)
Yesterday that guy told me compressor got run, but cut off due to too hot, and the gas level inside is low.

For the ppl that got some sense on aircond system will know this either due to compressor run out of gas (due to piping leakage) or the piping is bend and dented so the pressure is too high due to restricted flow. Unless i really fucking unlucky to get a lemon unit which i believe the chance is low. That's why i almost 100% confirm something is wrong in during installation, and the most suspicious one is the piping.

I asked him piping ok or not, he said: I check adi no leak no bend...WTF, how do you know there is no leak without leak test..i really speechless.
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Inverter model or gas R410a would be higher pressure just slighly lose a gap can be leak after few hours.

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Some like act pro and also expansive charge per unit too
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 9 2015, 02:07 PM)
1 sentence more than thousand words.

I buy things based on price, who the hell they sub the job we won't know unless we tried.

But again, I STILL HAVE RM1.8K YET TO PAY, see who patient enough lo. I willing to pay 100 deposit for know how bad was that.
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Last time I also got cheated on this(from Tyhe Hin), the price of the 1.5HP air cond I bought was rm150 cheaper than others and I paid rm500 deposit for 4 air conds.
On the day I want to make full payment, they only tell me that installation are not included and it is rm180 for 1.5HP which is rm50 more expensive after installation cost than other shops doh.gif
Not to mention the installer damaged the air cond's steel pipe. Now each time I service the air cond, the installer need to weld it back cry.gif
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Yesterday that guy told me compressor got run, but cut off due to too hot, and the gas level inside is low.

For the ppl that got some sense on aircond system will know this either due to compressor run out of gas (due to piping leakage) or the piping is bend and dented so the pressure is too high due to restricted flow. Unless i really fucking unlucky to get a lemon unit which i believe the chance is low. That's why i almost 100% confirm something is wrong in during installation, and the most suspicious one is the piping.

I asked him piping ok or not, he said: I check adi no leak no bend...WTF, how do you know there is no leak without leak test..i really speechless.
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Get another AC installer do a pressure leak test. Normally use nitrogen and then seal up both ends without AC. Take reading and another 2 weeks later to determine if there's a leak. Are you in Klang Valley?
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Update for my ME aircond.

Just now ME service man checked my aircond. The conclusion they made was during copper pipe welding, the solder was went inside the pipe, eventually clogged the compressor and valve. shocking.gif They release all the gas inside and refill it, and said the gas is 'choking' inside. They said will order compressor motor and valve inside to replace, and the indoor unit cooling coil need to flush as well. They also asked me to reinstall the new copper pipe without welding. So i went to the shop that I purchased.

The boss is very kind (Maybe my face is very angry), he kept apologize to me for introduce such contractor, he said he had a meeting with the contractor boss yesterday, and they adi dismissed those guys who install my aircond that day. hmm.gif unsure.gif He also promised the contractor boss will come himself to install for me. Then i told him the checking result by ME, and i said i can't accept repair, he promised to change a whole new set (both indoor and outdoor) for me. So let's see what happen next. Luckily i din pay them full amount that day, else i'm not sure whether they still willing to bother me or not.
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 11 2015, 02:45 PM)
Update for my ME aircond.

Just now ME service man checked my aircond. The conclusion they made was during copper pipe welding, the solder was went inside the pipe, eventually clogged the compressor and valve. shocking.gif They release all the gas inside and refill it, and said the gas is 'choking' inside. They said will order compressor motor and valve inside to replace, and the indoor unit cooling coil need to flush as well. They also asked me to reinstall the new copper pipe without welding. So i went to the shop that I purchased.

The boss is very kind (Maybe my face is very angry), he kept apologize to me for introduce such contractor, he said he had a meeting with the contractor boss yesterday, and they adi dismissed those guys who install my aircond that day. hmm.gif  unsure.gif He also promised the contractor boss will come himself to install for me. Then i told him the checking result by ME, and i said i can't accept repair, he promised to change a whole new set (both indoor and outdoor) for me. So let's see what happen next. Luckily i din pay them full amount that day, else i'm not sure whether they still willing to bother me or not.
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how much if i want to relocate my AC to a new house. one unit 1.5hp and one unit 1hp. brand ME and MHI. i was quoted for RM780 includes relocation and service work. is it ok?
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how much if i want to relocate my AC to a new house. one unit 1.5hp and one unit 1hp. brand ME and MHI. i was quoted for RM780 includes relocation and service work. is it ok?
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 11 2015, 02:45 PM)
Update for my ME aircond.

Just now ME service man checked my aircond. The conclusion they made was during copper pipe welding, the solder was went inside the pipe, eventually clogged the compressor and valve. shocking.gif They release all the gas inside and refill it, and said the gas is 'choking' inside. They said will order compressor motor and valve inside to replace, and the indoor unit cooling coil need to flush as well. They also asked me to reinstall the new copper pipe without welding. So i went to the shop that I purchased.

The boss is very kind (Maybe my face is very angry), he kept apologize to me for introduce such contractor, he said he had a meeting with the contractor boss yesterday, and they adi dismissed those guys who install my aircond that day. hmm.gif  unsure.gif He also promised the contractor boss will come himself to install for me. Then i told him the checking result by ME, and i said i can't accept repair, he promised to change a whole new set (both indoor and outdoor) for me. So let's see what happen next. Luckily i din pay them full amount that day, else i'm not sure whether they still willing to bother me or not.
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Good to know. Something new. This means the solder clogged compressor and valve. The ideal method of piping is compression joints like those use in Thailand.
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today the ME service man told me i still can turn ON my aircond, but won't be at its peak performance. So just now when i back home i turn ON the aircond, the air is not as cold as expected, but still better than nil...after 10 minutes, you know what, WATER START TO DRIP OUT FROM MY INDOOR UNIT AND WET MY FLOOR.

Awesome bastard, YOU ARE NOT GETTING EVEN A SINGLE ITEM INSTALLED CORRECTLY. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 11 2015, 08:39 PM)
today the ME service man told me i still can turn ON my aircond, but won't be at its peak performance. So just now when i back home i turn ON the aircond, the air is not as cold as expected, but still better than nil...after 10 minutes, you know what, WATER START TO DRIP OUT FROM MY INDOOR UNIT AND WET MY FLOOR.

Awesome bastard, YOU ARE NOT GETTING EVEN A SINGLE ITEM INSTALLED CORRECTLY. thumbup.gif
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Should start sharing who is the bastard... so other people don't fall victim...

And I think we should also list down good air con man...and share.. we need to keep the good ones in business.
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bought a daikin 1.5hp inverter FTK15P (R410A) - P Serial without installation at RM1400. Is the price ok? How much to expect for installation?

Am also looking for another unit of 1hp inverter. Any reasonably priced ones to recommend?

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bought a daikin 1.5hp inverter FTK15P (R410A) - P Serial without installation at RM1400. Is the price ok? How much to expect for installation?

Am also looking for another unit of 1hp inverter. Any reasonably priced ones to recommend?
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1.5hp installation about 250 .... 1hp inverter around 1200..sharp inverter plasmacluster.... 1400 for 1.5hp inverter is very cheap ....I bought my 1.5hp sharp inverter plasmacluster at RM1499 , on March 2015
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There are several air con threads. Best to ask moderator to merge them.
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i getting 1hp / 1.5hp/ 2hp all pana inverter recently so far still ok touch wood.

going to next phase now , either getting pana again or daikin ...really want to try other brand but contractor said..better dont..(maybe not much commission ) hahahah
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QUOTE(mghong @ Jun 14 2015, 12:38 AM)
i getting 1hp / 1.5hp/ 2hp all pana inverter recently so far still ok  touch wood.

going to next phase now , either getting pana again or daikin ...really want to try other brand but contractor said..better dont..(maybe not much commission ) hahahah
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Bedroom or non bedroom? Bedroom try Sharp plasma cluster inverter. The fourth generation inverter much improved. Using first gen in old DSH for kids room and blow air ceiling wards. Cool cocoon at 28° with 1-2 speed fan produces windchill like 26-27° yet at comfortable humidity.

What's the price of the pana inverter for the model you installed?
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 11 2015, 08:39 PM)
today the ME service man told me i still can turn ON my aircond, but won't be at its peak performance. So just now when i back home i turn ON the aircond, the air is not as cold as expected, but still better than nil...after 10 minutes, you know what, WATER START TO DRIP OUT FROM MY INDOOR UNIT AND WET MY FLOOR.

Awesome bastard, YOU ARE NOT GETTING EVEN A SINGLE ITEM INSTALLED CORRECTLY. thumbup.gif
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Bro, if the AC refrigerant flow is impaired this will happen. Same if there's a leak or there's not enough charge. I can't explain it but it happen also if the windows or door is not closed and the AC is near it. Installers are hit and miss. If you're in Klang Valley I can recommend one.
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Yerterday the installer boss himself come to my house to install a new set ME at my home, 4 bastard need 3.5 hours to install, he himself alone 1.5 hours settle, see how big the different.

Finally can enjoy the ME aircond yesternight, not bad at all. Just think that the price actually can bought 1.5 daikin inverter adi.
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 14 2015, 03:06 PM)
Yerterday the installer boss himself come to my house to install a new set ME at my home, 4 bastard need 3.5 hours to install, he himself alone 1.5 hours settle, see how big the different.

Finally can enjoy the ME aircond yesternight, not bad at all. Just think that the price actually can bought 1.5 daikin inverter adi.
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Best or poor of ME set?
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Best or poor of ME set?
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I never compare with other brand, solely based on what i got is good, but just too expensive.

No matter how, when i move in to the new house, the 2hp inverter i opt for living room will never be ME i think...would like to give a try to Daikin or Hitachi.
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 14 2015, 03:17 PM)
I never compare with other brand, solely based on what i got is good, but just too expensive.

No matter how, when i move in to the new house, the 2hp inverter i opt for living room will never be ME i think...would like to give a try to Daikin or Hitachi.
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I see, should try Daikin inverter in future
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 14 2015, 03:17 PM)
I never compare with other brand, solely based on what i got is good, but just too expensive.

No matter how, when i move in to the new house, the 2hp inverter i opt for living room will never be ME i think...would like to give a try to Daikin or Hitachi.
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MHI can consider. Very flexible air flow pattern. See here. I use Sharp 2.5HP but previous generation AHXP24MV due to the ability to deflect air flow to the ceiling, self cleaning and plasmacluster. New generation has long air throw.

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Hi guys, need advice. My new aircon Panasonic hp 1.5, when I turn on, got blowing noise and can also hear the compressor making noise. Is it normal? I thought aircon are supposed to be quiet? And when at the balcony really can hear the compressor engine sound.. Please help.....
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QUOTE(snailly @ Jun 14 2015, 10:33 PM)
Hi guys, need advice. My new aircon Panasonic hp 1.5, when I turn on, got blowing noise and can also hear the compressor making noise. Is it normal? I thought aircon are supposed to be quiet? And when at the balcony really can hear the compressor engine sound.. Please help.....
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Like it ?



That is normal, even new Daikin still not quiet at all

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That is normal, even new Daikin still not quiet at all
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Yesterday follow a friend services Aircon around in S'pore trip

Just notice the chemical wash would be very damn badly smell at all, but the result quite good n new.

Below was the photos taken

Very 1st from the owner never did maintenace or regular service until gas low and not longer cold at all.
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After sprayed chemical
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Completed wash n dryed, the overall like new.
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Actually for me do a interval regular services is much have one

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To be compare indoor aluminum coil design for more thicken the only ME and would be easily get bend and dent at all.

Pana & hitachi just so so.. Cause very weak can easily bend or dent after wash on coil fin, so the dirty dust would be remain until forever, once remain and reduce the airflow too.

York/Daikin still quite ok than others expansive Japan brands.

LG or samsung never used b4, so can't comments

This is called coil is taken from ME
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 15 2015, 08:25 AM)
To be compare indoor aluminum coil design for more thicken the only ME and would be easily get bend and dent at all.

Pana & hitachi just so so.. Cause very weak can easily bend or dent after wash on coil fin, so the dirty dust would be remain until forever, once remain and reduce the airflow too.

York/Daikin still quite ok than others expansive Japan brands.

LG or samsung never used b4, so can't comments

This is called coil is taken from ME
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 15 2015, 10:13 AM)
please compare with my 20 yrs old toshiba
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received my electricity bill ...1 unit 1.0hp daily sharp inverter aircon usage for 6hours , 2 water heater use for 2x daily , 430l Sharp inverter fridge , 1 water boiler cook water 1x daily . monthly only RM65....

time to throw my water boiler and switch to gas cooked already ... electricity consumption quite high for water boiler....

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QUOTE(^Ware^wolf @ Jun 15 2015, 02:08 PM)
received my electricity bill ...1 unit 1.0hp daily sharp inverter aircon usage for 6hours , 2 water heater use for 2x daily , 430l Sharp inverter fridge , 1 water boiler cook water 1x daily . monthly only RM65....

time to throw my water boiler and switch to gas cooked already ... electricity consumption quite high for water boiler....
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Now you realised the electric boiler water used more than Aircon right.
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Now you realised the electric boiler water used more than Aircon right.
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Hi all need some help here..

Am having some issue with Mitsubishi air-con, model is MSY-GJ10VA..

Seems when the aircon is running for the 1st few hours it will have popping and ice cracking sound from the indoor unit, after achieved the desired temperature no more got sound.. sweat.gif

But if I increase or lower the blower fan speed, it will have a cracking sound and popping sound for few minutes..

Have the Mitsubishi technician checked and he mentioned nothing is wrong..

Please help as its scaring the kids with those weird sound in the middle of the night.. doh.gif


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QUOTE(Zack Styler @ Jun 15 2015, 04:59 PM)
Hi all need some help here..

Am having some issue with Mitsubishi air-con, model is MSY-GJ10VA..

Seems when the aircon is running for the 1st few hours it will have popping and ice cracking sound from the indoor unit, after achieved the desired temperature no more got sound.. sweat.gif

But if I increase or lower the blower fan speed, it will have a cracking sound and popping sound for few minutes..

Have the Mitsubishi technician checked and he mentioned nothing is wrong..

Please help as its scaring the kids with those weird sound in the middle of the night.. doh.gif
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Just double check the Aircon when installer they used hammer & nail the wall plate or used drill and screw to tie the wall plate?

Once the wall plate has been something dent then after temp had changed, would be created the cracking noise when compressor stop after gas kick in.

Installation to be the most important than the Aircon smile.gif

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Why one of my Panasonic inverter Aircon, the remote like not sensitive. Strange thing is this unit is the closest and lowest than the rest yet it cannot detect the remote. Have to really point at the Aircon baru can.

It also makes a noise when the louvers are swinging on their own. Also after it is completely off, it can make a noise like opening or closing some valve.

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Why one of my Panasonic inverter Aircon, the remote like not sensitive. Strange thing is this unit is the closest and lowest than the rest yet it cannot detect the remote. Have to really point at the Aircon baru can.

It also makes a noise when the louvers are swinging on their own.
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I told you already, Pana never solve the louvre swing motor over a 10 yrs b4.

Just put some grease on swing motor then solve.

Remote control like KDK or Pana ceiling fan must be point to the sensor then baru detected
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 15 2015, 05:10 PM)
Just double check the Aircon when installer they used hammer & nail the wall plate or used drill and screw to tie the wall plate?

Once the wall plate has been something dent then after temp had changed, would be created the cracking noise when compressor stop after gas kick in.

Installation to be the most important than the Aircon smile.gif
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Just checked and its drill and screw..
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I told you already, Pana never solve the louvre swing motor over a 10 yrs b4.

Just put some grease on swing motor then solve.

Remote control like KDK or Pana ceiling fan must be point to the sensor then baru detected
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But my other units also Panasonic, the remote works fine.
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Now was cold weather so nobody pump up the thread laugh.gif
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Actually non inverter Aircon still much noisy and over heating the place too.

Noise wise still never improved

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Actually non inverter Aircon still much noisy and over heating the place too.

Noise wise still never improved
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Actually non inverter Aircon still much noisy and over heating the place too.

Noise wise still never improved
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daikin non inverter thailand less noisy than daikin inverter one
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My neighbor used Daikin non inverter Thailand one.. The noise much higher wow... After 1 yr usages = 20 yrs old inverter Aircon noise condition

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hi, I have a working compressor, just indoor unit rosak

anyone knows anyone who happens to want to buy compressor unit ? item in kg. lindungan, sunway
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hi, I have a working compressor, just indoor unit rosak

anyone knows anyone who happens to want to buy compressor unit ? item in kg. lindungan, sunway
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Just post at WTS thread should help a lots
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Hello, I intend to buy few units of ME air con as it seems that it gets a lot of good feedback here. I wondering how is their after sell service ? Is the spare part more expensive than others ?

How is the noise and coldness of ME inverter and non-inverter
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Hello, I intend to buy few units of ME air con as it seems that it gets a lot of good feedback here. I wondering how is their after sell service ? Is the spare part more expensive than others ?

How is the noise and coldness of ME inverter and non-inverter
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I always consider spare part center and service center's location first. As far as I know, ME failed on me for this in Seremban.
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I always consider spare part center and service center's location first. As far as I know, ME failed on me for this in Seremban.
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Thanks for the inputs. What about the quality of the product - inverter and non-inverter deluxe ?
Are there performing well cold and quiet ? Thanks
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Thanks for the inputs. What about the quality of the product - inverter and non-inverter deluxe ?
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All new air cond sure will be quiet for the first few years, especially Japanese brands. If you want noisy type, Samseng will be my first option whistling.gif
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QUOTE(supersound @ Jun 21 2015, 09:45 AM)
All new air cond sure will be quiet for the first few years, especially Japanese brands. If you want noisy type, Samseng will be my first option whistling.gif
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So that bad meh?

If you were compare to kimchi the price tag is alway cheaper than LG or Japan brand
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Juz bought 2packs of air con filter from daiso Aeon bkt tinggi....is this the latest packaging ? I remembered last time not like that ....only need 2/3 of the filter .... For sharp air con... The extra 1/3will use on the sharp air filter...


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All new air cond sure will be quiet for the first few years, especially Japanese brands. If you want noisy type, Samseng will be my first option whistling.gif
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ME and Pana which one is more recommended ? I'm in dilemma now...:-(



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I got this pana non-inverter 1hp aircon in my room, 8 years already

last year got repair once for the compressor, replaced the capacitor or transformer thingy, as the technician claim the compressor wasn't working
refilled the gas as well.

then last night again the same thing, not cold at all, at it's the the hottest night of the year! doh.gif

I'm guessing must be the compressor again doh.gif
now thinking should I fork out few hundred just to repair & service it
or should I just throw this 8 years old unit away and go grab a new inverter type? hmm.gif

do the aircon men accept the used units as trade in? hmm.gif
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ME and Pana which one is more recommended ? I'm in dilemma now...:-(
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Panasonic inverter Econavi if you're concerned about power consumption but not cold.

Daikin GA if you want maximum cold, plenty service, cheap spare parts.

ME I dunno. It's expensive and spare parts I have no clue.

I would choose Daikin GA.
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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jun 21 2015, 12:32 PM)
I got this pana non-inverter 1hp aircon in my room, 8 years already

last year got repair once for the compressor, replaced the capacitor or transformer thingy, as the technician claim the compressor wasn't working
refilled the gas as well.

then last night again the same thing, not cold at all, at it's the the hottest night of the year! doh.gif

I'm guessing must be the compressor again doh.gif
now thinking should I fork out few hundred just to repair & service it
or should I just throw this 8 years old unit away and go grab a new inverter type? hmm.gif

do the aircon men accept the used units as trade in? hmm.gif
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Usually for non inverter, the capacitor will be the first to fail especially if you set the temperature too near to ambient temperature.
And when you refill your gas, did you do the major service on the indoor unit or not? If you never do, then sure it will give you the same problem.
The temperature sensor are attached to the cooling coil in the indoor unit, so if it is very dirty, the cooling coil will be cool down very fast and shut the outdoor unit fast. To confirm on this, just check if the outdoor unit workong or not.
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Need help, can someone please recommend me a 2HP air conditioning unit? For living room. 30x18ft space. Daikin seems cheaper but will it eat up A WHOLE LOT MORE electricity compared to my old non inverter Panasonic 1Hp (used for small room)? Would appreciate shop recommendation too, location cheras kajang
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Hello guys,my panasonic 1.0hp non inverter air cond working weirdly recently. The motor seemed to be automatic switch off and on every 5 minutes interval despite I adjusted the air conditioner to 16 degree Celsius. When I open the cover of the air cond, I saw a lot of water droplet on the fins. I think this causes air cond seemed to be not blowing any air out of it.. So I try to clean it out and the air cond started to blowing out cold air again but the motor still keep switch off itself making the whole room so hot.. I wonder is it worth to repair? The air cond is about two years+.

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QUOTE(PowerGadget @ Jun 21 2015, 09:21 PM)
Hello guys,my panasonic 1.0hp non inverter air cond working weirdly recently. The motor seemed to be automatic switch off and on every 5 minutes interval despite I adjusted the air conditioner to 16 degree Celsius. When I open the cover of the air cond, I saw a lot of water droplet on the fins. I think this causes air cond seemed to be not blowing any air out of it.. So I try to clean it out and the air cond started to blowing out cold air again but the motor still keep switch off itself making the whole room so hot.. I wonder is it worth to repair? The air cond is about two years+.
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Jun 21 2015, 04:36 PM)
Need help, can someone please recommend me a 2HP air conditioning unit? For living room. 30x18ft space. Daikin seems cheaper but will it eat up A WHOLE LOT MORE electricity compared to my old non inverter Panasonic 1Hp (used for small room)? Would appreciate shop recommendation too, location cheras kajang
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Believe me Daikin 2hp inverter works well for u
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 21 2015, 10:10 PM)
Believe me Daikin 2hp inverter works well for u
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is it true that inverter air conds are not as cold as standard air cond? I think inverter is like RM800 more expensive than non-inverter right.

540square feet living room

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is it true that inverter air conds are not as cold as standard air cond? I think inverter is like RM800 more expensive than non-inverter right.

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Ya quite big of the area.

You might consider for 2hp at least, inverter can allow you turn on more often.. Rather than non inverter for 3 hours only.

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Ya quite big of the area.

You might consider for 2hp at least, inverter can allow you turn on more often.. Rather than non inverter for 3 hours  only.
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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jun 21 2015, 12:32 PM)
I got this pana non-inverter 1hp aircon in my room, 8 years already

last year got repair once for the compressor, replaced the capacitor or transformer thingy, as the technician claim the compressor wasn't working
refilled the gas as well.

then last night again the same thing, not cold at all, at it's the the hottest night of the year! doh.gif

I'm guessing must be the compressor again doh.gif
now thinking should I fork out few hundred just to repair & service it
or should I just throw this 8 years old unit away and go grab a new inverter type? hmm.gif

do the aircon men accept the used units as trade in? hmm.gif
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Sometimes, it is not worthwhile to fix old problematic appliances.

Labour cost may be expensive, as well as you don't have warranty that after the fix, it will not be problematic.
Fixing a compressor or replacing compressor may cost a couple of hundred buck already, unless it is just replacing inexpensive part like capacitor etc, which just a simple fix, then different story.


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Non-inverter can turn on 3 hours only?  laugh.gif
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That is the common sense on ppls who ever installed non inverter for turn on 3 hours only for when is hot weather or for show only laugh.gif

For more ppls who ever used Aircon very often deffinelty go for inverter lah... Ha ha
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When think for save a unit price than end out cant afford to pay much higher bill wow

2hp n above the current input watt really much higher at least 1600-1800w

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Usually for non inverter, the capacitor will be the first to fail especially if you set the temperature too near to ambient temperature.
And when you refill your gas, did you do the major service on the indoor unit or not? If you never do, then sure it will give you the same problem.
The temperature sensor are attached to the cooling coil in the indoor unit, so if it is very dirty, the cooling coil will be cool down very fast and shut the outdoor unit fast. To confirm on this, just check if the outdoor unit workong or not.
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aiks... yeah, I set my aircons in both my room and my kids room to around 24C - 26C only
so far my kids room aircon already changed the capacitor twice already within a year blink.gif
this would be my second time changing capacitor for my room in a year, which I hope it is.
yeah, last time when they changed the capacitor, they refill the gas and service the indoor unit as well.

So if we were to set the temp to close to ambient temp then the capacitor will be blown easily?
but if we set too low, electricity bill gonna be high, set too high; higher chance for a blown capacitor?

I wonder if changing to the inverter type would solve this? or is it the same with all aircons? hmm.gif


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aiks... yeah, I set my aircons in both my room and my kids room to around 24C - 26C only
so far my kids room aircon already changed the capacitor twice already within a year  blink.gif
this would be my second time changing capacitor for my room in a year, which I hope it is.
yeah, last time when they changed the capacitor, they refill the gas and service the indoor unit as well.

So if we were to set the temp to close to ambient temp then the capacitor will be blown easily?
but if we set too low, electricity bill gonna be high, set too high; higher chance for a blown capacitor?

I wonder if changing to the inverter type would solve this? or is it the same with all aircons? hmm.gif
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Because you keep the compressor on & off too often then easily to damage the capacitor

Otherwise change to inverter even set to 27C still working as well
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That is the common sense on ppls who ever installed non inverter for turn on 3 hours only for when is hot weather or for show only laugh.gif

For more ppls who ever used Aircon very often deffinelty go for inverter lah... Ha ha
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Ten of thousand of offices, shops are using non-inverter air-cond for more than 8~10 hours out there.
So they turn on 3 hours?
or they are stupid to install non-inverter?
No
Why?

Because there won't be much saving by using inverter air-cond in those environmenet, as people go in and out frequently that resulted loss of cool air frequently, and the air-cond won't able to achieve desired temp like 23c, whereby the advantage of inverter air-cond won't be significant.

Despite pages and pages explaining how inverter works, and how the saving come from, it seems still can get a grasp of the understanding on the inverter mechanism.

Inverter /= automatic save current.
It depended on how it works, and being used.

Undersize air-cond, room that can't properly heat insulated, or loss of heat, aka cool air can't properly contained within the room, you won't see the saving from inverter.
As when inverter is full blast or running 100% time, the electricity consumption is as same as non-inverter.

Look at the label of electricity consumption of inverter compressor, the wattage needed by inverter is as same as non-inverter.
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Ten of thousand of offices, shops are using non-inverter air-cond for more than 8~10 hours out there.
So they turn on 3 hours?
or they are stupid to install non-inverter?
No
Why?

Because there won't be much saving by using inverter air-cond in those environmenet, as people go in and out frequently that resulted loss of cool air frequently, and the air-cond won't able to achieve desired temp like 23c, whereby the advantage of inverter air-cond won't be significant.

Despite pages and pages explaining how inverter works, and how the saving come from, it seems still can get a grasp  of the understanding on the inverter mechanism.

Inverter /= automatic save current.
It depended on how it works, and being used.

Undersize air-cond, room that can't properly heat insulated, or loss of heat, aka cool air can't properly contained within the room, you won't see the saving from inverter.
As when inverter is full blast or running 100% time, the electricity consumption is as same as non-inverter.

Look at the label of electricity consumption of inverter compressor, the wattage needed by inverter is as same as non-inverter.
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Office is never care about what Aircon are you usage since the air can keep that area as cold as possible.

Coz in office is earn money one.

Unlike home user may suffer on electric bill for monthly, nowadays everything has been increased, then still wanna worried about electric bill anymore..

laugh.gif

Different situation from ppls of views

You still never realized from non inverter change to inverter for monthly bills do you can save how much.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 22 2015, 08:47 AM)
Ten of thousand of offices, shops are using non-inverter air-cond for more than 8~10 hours out there.
So they turn on 3 hours?
or they are stupid to install non-inverter?
No
Why?

Because there won't be much saving by using inverter air-cond in those environmenet, as people go in and out frequently that resulted loss of cool air frequently, and the air-cond won't able to achieve desired temp like 23c, whereby the advantage of inverter air-cond won't be significant.

Despite pages and pages explaining how inverter works, and how the saving come from, it seems still can get a grasp  of the understanding on the inverter mechanism.

Inverter /= automatic save current.
It depended on how it works, and being used.

Undersize air-cond, room that can't properly heat insulated, or loss of heat, aka cool air can't properly contained within the room, you won't see the saving from inverter.
As when inverter is full blast or running 100% time, the electricity consumption is as same as non-inverter.

Look at the label of electricity consumption of inverter compressor, the wattage needed by inverter is as same as non-inverter.
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Undersize air-cond, room that can't properly heat insulated, or loss of heat, aka cool air can't properly contained within the room, you won't see the saving from inverter.

As when inverter is full blast or running 100% time, the electricity consumption is as same as non-inverter.

A: as for inverter should draw much more power consumption than non inverter, cause from inverter is offer to variable speed & capacity of cooling.

Normal 1hp inverter can able to achieve from 8500-12000 max Btu, is depend your fan & temperature preset.

Look at the label of electricity consumption of inverter compressor, the wattage needed by inverter is as same as non-inverter.

A: inverter have part loan after the temperature reaching may runs lower or slower speed of outdoor unit, even at night time the noise also keep as low than day time.



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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 22 2015, 08:51 AM)
Office is never care about what Aircon are you usage since the air can keep that area as cold as possible.

Coz in office is earn money one.

Unlike home user may suffer on electric bill for monthly, nowadays everything has been increased, then still wanna worried about electric bill anymore..

laugh.gif

Different situation from ppls of views

You still never realized from non inverter change to inverter for monthly bills do you can save how much.
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Offices space consume even more electricity, with most corporate environment are cost saving minded nowadays, every opportunity that they can save cost, they will do

That's why I said, still can't get a grasp how inverter works.

Inverter does save you electricity when being used in desired condition, but it is not "automatically" give you the saving.

Look at the label on the compressor or spec of inverter compressor, does it stated inverter compressor consume 30% or 50% less than non-inverter?
The answer is no.


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 22 2015, 09:33 AM)
Offices space consume even more electricity, with most corporate environment are cost saving minded nowadays, every opportunity that they can save cost, they will do

That's why I said, still can't get a grasp how inverter works.

Inverter does save you electricity when being used in desired condition, but it is not "automatically" give you the saving.

Look at the label on the compressor or spec of inverter compressor, does it stated inverter compressor consume 30% or 50% less than non-inverter?
The answer is no.
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Just remember what I said inverter have part load.
Non inverter is fixed speed there is never reduce the power consumption an even the temperature pre-set are reached..

The only works as on & off, but for non inverter would more accurate on & off very often is due to raining day and night time after 2am to next morning.

When is day time from the non inverter is never works as on & off unless is set to 28C ha ha

Compare to 1hp below
If consider part load as low as 450w per hour vs fixed speed as normal input watt as 800w they Is between the big gap.

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Undersize air-cond, room that can't properly heat insulated, or loss of heat, aka cool air can't properly contained within the room, you won't see the saving from inverter.

As when inverter is full blast or running 100% time, the electricity consumption is as same as non-inverter.

A: as for inverter should draw much more power consumption than non inverter, cause from inverter is offer to variable speed & capacity of cooling.

Normal 1hp inverter can able to achieve from 8500-12000 max Btu, is depend your fan & temperature preset.

Look at the label of electricity consumption of inverter compressor, the wattage needed by inverter is as same as non-inverter.

A: inverter have part loan after the temperature reaching may runs lower or slower speed of outdoor unit, even at night time the noise also keep as low than day time.
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Inverter still need to run at 100% to cool down the room when the room is not cold enough or far from the desired temperature.

Tell me, when the room temperature is 28c, while the preset temperature tell the air-cond to achieve 18c,
what the compressor will do?

Run at partial load? your room will forever not cool enough, as at partial load, the coolness delivered also becoming partial.
The compressor need to run at 100% rpm to cool down the room in this situation.
Run at 100% rpm --> electricity consumption is as same as non-inverter.




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Inverter still need to run at 100% to cool down the room when the room is not cold enough or far from the desired temperature.

Tell me, when the room temperature is 28c, while the preset temperature tell the air-cond to achieve 18c,
what the compressor will do?

Run at partial load? your room will forever not cool enough, as at partial load, the coolness delivered also becoming partial.
The compressor need to run at 100% rpm to cool down the room in this situation.
Run at 100% rpm --> electricity consumption is as same as non-inverter.
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That is why an inverter is offer for R410a gas only
To help the faster & lower temperatures are maintenace on 24-25c only.

Just try install Daikin GA inverter you may feel different
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Just remember what I said inverter have part load.
Non inverter is fixed speed there is never reduce the power consumption an even the temperature pre-set are reached..

The only works as on & off, but for non inverter would more accurate on & off very often is due to raining day and night time after 2am to next morning.

When is day time from the non inverter is never works as on & off unless is set to 28C ha ha

Compare to 1hp below
If consider part load as low as 450w per hour vs fixed speed as normal input watt as 800w they Is between the big gap.
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Another wrong understanding.

Non-inverter shut down the compressor when the preset temperature is reached, this is where the power consumption being reduced, but this is poor compared to inverter mechanism of reduce the rpm of the compressor.

Inverter doesn't run partial load all the time, it depended on the situation.
When inverter sense big difference between the room temperature vs its pre-set desired temperature, it needs to run at 100%.
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Another wrong understanding.

Non-inverter shut down the compressor when the preset temperature is reached, this is where the power consumption being reduced, but this is poor compared to inverter mechanism of reduce the rpm of the compressor.

Inverter doesn't run partial load all the time, it depended on the situation.
When inverter sense big difference between the room temperature vs its pre-set desired temperature, it needs to run at 100%.
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Ok ok.. Nowadays still available for non inverter model..
Wait one more day is totally phase out then you would realize the inverter more accurate and works lower power consumption at all
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Ok ok.. Nowadays still available for non inverter model..
Wait one more day is totally phase out then you would realize the inverter more accurate and works lower power consumption at all
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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jun 22 2015, 08:38 AM)
aiks... yeah, I set my aircons in both my room and my kids room to around 24C - 26C only
so far my kids room aircon already changed the capacitor twice already within a year  blink.gif
this would be my second time changing capacitor for my room in a year, which I hope it is.
yeah, last time when they changed the capacitor, they refill the gas and service the indoor unit as well.

So if we were to set the temp to close to ambient temp then the capacitor will be blown easily?
but if we set too low, electricity bill gonna be high, set too high; higher chance for a blown capacitor?

I wonder if changing to the inverter type would solve this? or is it the same with all aircons? hmm.gif
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Capacitor is store store enough of charge to energize the outdoor unit.
By changing to inverter, indeed it will solve this issue.
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:05 AM)
non inverter will exist forever la.
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Of coz now has R410a non inverter mah laugh.gif

Check here, my sister in law just installed it model.. Good for cooling, but not for quiet.

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1st time come in here.. thinking of changing my current aircond, Sharp plasmacluster which is no longer blowing cool air. So, my preference would be 1.5hp Daikin air conditioner.

Just need some advice and clarification, what's the difference between Wall-Mounted Series and Single-Split Inverter Series? Which one is better?

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 22 2015, 09:57 AM)
Ok ok.. Nowadays still available for non inverter model..
Wait one more day is totally phase out then you would realize the inverter more accurate and works lower power consumption at all
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The one doesn't realise the mechanism within youself, despite pages and pages and numerous of time other explaining.

Another wrong statement.

It is gas R-22 phase out, not non-inverter.
Non-inverter can work work in R410a gas as well, if manufacturer decided to design the non-inverter to work with the gas, air-cond just need a refrigerant to work with.

It is not inverter must use R410a, or non-inverter must use R-22, only they can work.
Refrigerant function is to "transport" the heat from the indoor to outdoor only.

Inverter and non-inverter is just about how compressor works.
Inverter use DC to control the compressor rpm, while non-inverter using AC, which cannot control the rpm.

Non-inverter is not banned, it is R-22 will be banned in the future.

Inverter does save electricity and work at lower power consumption, but it depends on what is the condition of the room.

That's why no manufacturers give accurate number how much inverter can save (they can only advertise save as much as 30% or 50% with a * behind,
because the saving variable depended on the room condition itself, which vary from one and another.


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The one doesn't realise the mechanism within youself, despite pages and pages and numerous of time other explaining.

Another wrong statement.

It is gas R-22 phase out, not non-inverter.
Non-inverter can work work in R410a gas as well, if manufacturer decided to design the non-inverter to work with the gas, air-cond just need a refrigerant to work with.

It is not inverter must use R410a, or non-inverter must use R-22, only they can work.
Refrigerant function is to "transport" the heat from the indoor to outdoor only.

Inverter and non-inverter is just about how compressor works.
Inverter use DC to control the compressor rpm, while non-inverter using AC, which cannot control the rpm. 

Non-inverter is not banned, it is R-22 will be banned in the future.

Inverter does save electricity and work at lower power consumption, but it depends on what is the condition of the room.

That's why no manufacturers give accurate number how much inverter can save (they can only advertise save as much as 30% or 50% with a * behind,
because the saving variable depended on the room condition itself, which vary from one and another.
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Just go back home n turn on your 2.5hp non inverter for full days at least done on at least 8 hrs.

After change to inverter 2.5hp also turn on 8 hrs like me now..

So for me is never worried about higher electricity bill at all.

But I would stay away from non inverter lah

Simple tell u from non inverter 2hp easily clock higher power consumption than 2.5hp inverter unit.

Don't ask me why

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Just go back home n turn on your 2.5hp non inverter for full days at least done on at least 8 hrs.

After change to inverter 2.5hp also turn on 8 hrs like me now..

So for me is never worried about higher electricity bill at all.

But I would stay away from non inverter lah
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It depends on the room size. Of course if your inverter air cond can reach the desired temp, you will save electricity.

For big rooms which will forever cannot achieve desired temperature, you won't save any electricity at all.

Seriously you need to understand the mechanism on the savings.
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:24 AM)
It depends on the room size. Of course if your inverter air cond can reach the desired temp, you will save electricity.

For big rooms which will forever cannot achieve desired temperature, you won't save any electricity at all.

Seriously you need to understand the mechanism on the savings.
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lol big room go for bigger hose power lah..

Who said can't achieve?

Did you the inverter user?

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Simple tell u from non inverter 2hp easily clock higher power consumption than 2.5hp inverter unit.

Don't ask me why
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Because you don't understand the working mechanism.
That's why you cannot answer, and tell people "don't ask me why".

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lol big room go for bigger hose power lah..
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So tell me now, if you have limited budget, and you can only choose one. Which one will save you more electricity now?

1. Bigger horsepower without inverter (that can make your room achieve desired temp).
2. Small horsepower, with inverter.

Both same price.

(Sorry but bigger horsepower with inverter is not an option due to limited budget).

Now you know why inverter doesn't always save electricity like you wish.
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lol big room go for bigger hose power lah..

Who said can't achieve?

Did you the inverter user?
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I use both and I know the mechanism behind the savings. Unlike you.
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So tell me now, if you have limited budget, and you can only choose one. Which one will save you more electricity now?

1. Bigger horsepower without inverter (that can make your room achieve desired temp).
2. Small horsepower, with inverter.

Both same price.

(Sorry but bigger horsepower with inverter is not an option due to limited budget).

Now you know why inverter doesn't always save electricity like you wish.
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That is why the mainly is due to budget right
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I use both and I know the mechanism behind the savings. Unlike you.
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Using both is never get the acurrate power consumption
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Using both is never get the acurrate power consumption
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I mean I use non-inverter before and changed to inverter now.
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I mean I use non-inverter before and changed to inverter now.
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Be coz you force the unit run in lower temperatures, when gas not enought please top up lah

In good condition Aircon of inverter you won't set lower to 24C, just gas not enough and feel warm then just keep like non inverter set to 23C at all

Different brands may different cooling, don't tell me your unit are Pana inverter, is the worst to compare even Daikin GA made in Malaysia brand

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Be coz you force the unit run in lower temperatures, when gas not enought please top up lah

In good condition Aircon of inverter you won't set lower to 24C, just gas not enough and feel warm then just keep like non inverter set to 23C at all

Different brands may different cooling, don't tell me your unit are Pana inverter, is the worst to compare even Daikin GA made in Malaysia brand
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1. I don't run my unit at lower temperatures. Please do not assume thing.

2. I don't use Pana brand. Please do not assume thing.

3. I use Daikin. Please do not assume thing.

4. I did achieve savings. Because I know the mechanism behind the savings. Please do not assume thing.

Get your facts right.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 22 2015, 10:34 AM)
Be coz you force the unit run in lower temperatures, when gas not enought please top up lah

In good condition Aircon of inverter you won't set lower to 24C, just gas not enough and feel warm then just keep like non inverter set to 23C at all

Different brands may different cooling, don't tell me your unit are Pana inverter, is the worst to compare even Daikin GA made in Malaysia brand
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I really give up now... laugh.gif


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1. I don't run my unit at lower temperatures. Please do not assume thing.

2. I don't use Pana brand. Please do not assume thing.

3. I use Daikin. Please do not assume thing.

4. I did achieve savings. Because I know the mechanism behind the savings. Please do not assume thing.

Get your facts right.
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If mechanism behind power consumption clock more than Aircons than don't simple claim the inverter Aircon use much higher power

Still don't understand the inverter Aircon works from
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I really give up now...  laugh.gif
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Simple life you still dunno Aircon need to check gas presure meh?

Don't told me your Aircons is free for serving also self cleaning dust.
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Just go back home n turn on your 2.5hp non inverter for full days at least done on at least 8 hrs.

After change to inverter 2.5hp also turn on 8 hrs like me now..

So for me is never worried about higher electricity bill at all.

But I would stay away from non inverter lah

Simple tell u from non inverter 2hp easily clock higher power consumption than 2.5hp inverter unit.

Don't ask me why
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however, why your electricity bill high? for me, I dont care about electricity bill as long as it is fast cooling. I dont find any r410a or inverter could give me fast cooling.

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Simple life you still dunno Aircon need to check gas presure meh?

Don't told me your Aircons is free for serving also self cleaning dust.
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Now, I only know inverter save a lot of power, then rest, throw into drain already, don't need to know, don't ask me why. laugh.gif

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any hotel or hospital room use inverter ma? they can save more than us.
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any hotel or hospital room use inverter ma? they can save more than us.
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They don't care one, they only care to make profit. laugh.gif
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Now, I only know inverter save a lot of power, then rest, throw into drain already, don't need to know, don't ask me why.  laugh.gif
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you ask the correct answer in b4 pass 6 yrs ago i am doing the way...

non inverter for 1hp i just dismantle on Rm100 to aircon man, even 2hp non inverter less than 2 yrs for Rm250 only..

cause i dont have contribute too much paid for TNB drool.gif

you guys talks so easy, if ask you do the same.. i don't think they will following.. hmm.gif

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any hotel or hospital room use inverter ma? they can save more than us.
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In malacca hotels more into inverter now
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Only very small hotels with very small finite number of rooms (no more than than 10) may use inverter but for the cost per unit. In SG most of what I've seen goes towards VRV (variable refrigerant volume) kind of tech. Larger places would use air handler units (AHU) and probably water chilled units. The regular maintenance of air filters and cleaning of indoor unit will eventually hike up operating costs.
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you ask the correct answer in b4 pass 6 yrs ago i am doing the way...

non inverter for 1hp i just dismantle on Rm100 to aircon man, even 2hp non inverter less than 2 yrs for Rm250 only..

cause i dont have contribute too much paid for TNB  drool.gif

you guys talks so easy, if ask you do the same.. i don't think they will following..  hmm.gif
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if you have 10 non inverter aircons dismantle for rm 100 each good condition. I will buy it from you liao. I bought 20 yrs old toshiba rm 300 including installation. now look for used aircons for my budget hostel rooms

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if you have 10 non inverter aircons dismantle for rm 100 each good condition. I will buy it from you liao.
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at that time still heaven't kena u. rclxms.gif
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Gas leaking & clogging on pipe
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Roughly how much is the cost of repairing and is it worth to repair?
Can you recommend me a good replacement for it? I'm using the air cond for about 8-12 hours a day and the room is quite small,about 13x13
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Roughly how much is the cost of repairing and is it worth to repair?
Can you recommend me a good replacement for it? I'm using the air cond for about 8-12 hours a day and the room is quite small,about 13x13
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Top up gas is around Rm80 and clogging pipe water dipping have to check wow.

cause i am not too sure in someway m'sia rclxms.gif

13x13 = 4x4m go for daikin ga 1hp inverter you wont get disappointed of the cooling and very accurate to keep you room cold down as fast.

price also cheap.

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:24 AM)
It depends on the room size. Of course if your inverter air cond can reach the desired temp, you will save electricity.

For big rooms which will forever cannot achieve desired temperature, you won't save any electricity at all.

Seriously you need to understand the mechanism on the savings.
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Actually what most of us call living room depending on the house layout is a misnomer. Although on the drawing/plan it specifies living and dining, the word room is not there. It's more like living spaces and dining spaces where the area actually is one large open floor space. If I were to size AC correctly, it would have to include both or have two AC. Second option means more hacking which is already a challenge for condos.

I also discovered that to size it correctly is not easily acheived. Say that I want to put a 2.5 or 3 HP AC. Some condos have casement windows with fixed middle bar (to secure closure of window) that is not wide enough to allow 2HP compressor hence only 1.5HP max. Only those with balcony spaces that have AC ledges next to it or the unit is on the first floor and it's within reach of a 16' ladder. Very frustrating.

So when in my current place, I decided to address this issue where the AC would forever run due to leakages of open space layout. I added a close-able glass door partition separating the living from the dining. With this in place, the partitioned space can be called a room. Only then can the AC run and then 'cut out' when the preset temperature is reached. Usually it's 27-26 degrees and 25 only when the sun is out and it's really humid. Ceiling fan helps disperse cool air.

Thus, the area has to be evaluated as to whether it's well defined by enclosed by walls and doors/narrow opening or it's actually one large space where there's an architectural demarcation (living or dining) in which case if there's no partitioning to be used, go for a larger AC. For condos, it's good if there's a balcony since that doesn't restrict the use of a 2.5 or 3.0HP.

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The one doesn't realise the mechanism within youself, despite pages and pages and numerous of time other explaining.

Another wrong statement.

It is gas R-22 phase out, not non-inverter.
Non-inverter can work work in R410a gas as well, if manufacturer decided to design the non-inverter to work with the gas, air-cond just need a refrigerant to work with.

It is not inverter must use R410a, or non-inverter must use R-22, only they can work.
Refrigerant function is to "transport" the heat from the indoor to outdoor only.

Inverter and non-inverter is just about how compressor works.
Inverter use DC to control the compressor rpm, while non-inverter using AC, which cannot control the rpm. 

Non-inverter is not banned, it is R-22 will be banned in the future.

Inverter does save electricity and work at lower power consumption, but it depends on what is the condition of the room.

That's why no manufacturers give accurate number how much inverter can save (they can only advertise save as much as 30% or 50% with a * behind,
because the saving variable depended on the room condition itself, which vary from one and another.
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You're wasting your time trying to explain to him. He basically ignored the part you said about the undersirable scenario there would be no savings between inverter and non inverter. He just keeps spouting half truths.

To summarize, very simple. Look at Papparich, Old Town, those standalone shop lot ones. In their case there would be no savings from inverter air con as the doors are wide open. Cool air will just escape to the atmosphere. The air con would be working 100%. There will be no savings as the LOAD is 100%.

In a sealed environment, such as a room with doors and windows closed, inverter may give you savings.

Likewise if you turn on the air con for only 3 hours or so, it doesn't make a significant difference since inverter and non-inverters would be working 100% to quickly bring the room temperature down.
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You're wasting your time trying to explain to him. He basically ignored the part you said about the undersirable scenario there would be no savings between inverter and non inverter. He just keeps spouting half truths.

To summarize, very simple. Look at Papparich, Old Town, those standalone shop lot ones. In their case there would be no savings from inverter air con as the doors are wide open. Cool air will just escape to the atmosphere. The air con would be working 100%. There will be no savings as the LOAD is 100%.

In a sealed environment, such as a room with doors and windows closed, inverter may give you savings.

Likewise if you turn on the air con for only 3 hours or so, it doesn't make a significant difference since inverter and non-inverters would be working 100% to quickly bring the room temperature down.
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Actually, I just felt pitiful for those who just listened blindly to his misleading advices.
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Actually, I just felt pitiful for those who just listened blindly to his misleading advices.
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You still dunno how to get save an used with inverter aircon and claims inverter didnt bring down your bills.

Bigger area do not used smaller size of hp at all, even smaller area can be used slightly bigger hp for keep the room quickly cold down as fast as possible to energy saving.


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QUOTE(Jason @ Jun 22 2015, 12:17 PM)
You're wasting your time trying to explain to him. He basically ignored the part you said about the undersirable scenario there would be no savings between inverter and non inverter. He just keeps spouting half truths.

To summarize, very simple. Look at Papparich, Old Town, those standalone shop lot ones. In their case there would be no savings from inverter air con as the doors are wide open. Cool air will just escape to the atmosphere. The air con would be working 100%. There will be no savings as the LOAD is 100%.

In a sealed environment, such as a room with doors and windows closed, inverter may give you savings.

Likewise if you turn on the air con for only 3 hours or so, it doesn't make a significant difference since inverter and non-inverters would be working 100% to quickly bring the room temperature down.
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Ya agree with you.. that is why they never consider an expansive aircons at all, just possible can cold down the place only.

otherwise they might installed air curtain at every single door opening area to be keep the air wont explore too much outside.
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You still dunno how to get save an used with inverter aircon and claims inverter didnt bring down your bills.

Bigger area do not used smaller size of hp at all, even smaller area can be used slightly bigger hp for keep the room quickly cold down as fast as possible to energy saving.
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Sorry but I know how to get savings using inverter because I understand the mechanism behind how inverter works. Unlike you who just blindly advised others "get an inverter, you are selfish and only think about yourself if you use non-inverter" bla bla bla...

Since when did I claim that inverter didn't bring down my bills? Don't assume thing.

You are just good at salesman talk. Improve your technical skill.
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 01:00 PM)
Sorry but I know how to get savings using inverter because I understand the mechanism behind how inverter works. Unlike you who just blindly advised others "get an inverter, you are selfish and only think about yourself if you use non-inverter" bla bla bla...

Since when did I claim that inverter didn't bring down my bills? Don't assume thing.

You are just good at salesman talk. Improve your technical skill.
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You are the only one from what i saw now.. who ever after change from inverter may reduce they electricity bill and cut into half... but in your case may different...

just sharing your temperature setting and fan speed with room size will do..

never do the correct set-up you wont get the correct way.

i hope can helping you icon_rolleyes.gif

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You are the only one from what i saw now.. who ever after change from inverter may reduce they electricity bill and cut into half... but in your case may different...

just sharing your setting and fan speed with room size will do..

never do the correct set-up you wont get the correct way.
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I already achieved the savings that I needed. Thanks for your offer but I am afraid to listen to your advice now. Not sure whether your advice is correct or not.

Cheers icon_rolleyes.gif


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I already achieved the savings that I needed. Thanks for your offer but I am afraid to listen to your advice now. Not sure whether your advice is correct or not.

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 01:00 PM)
Sorry but I know how to get savings using inverter because I understand the mechanism behind how inverter works. Unlike you who just blindly advised others "get an inverter, you are selfish and only think about yourself if you use non-inverter" bla bla bla...

Since when did I claim that inverter didn't bring down my bills? Don't assume thing.

You are just good at salesman talk. Improve your technical skill.
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From 16c you call the compressor runs like optimum and no tomorrow to drink more electricity

26c will be a bit too warm but usually not suitable for adults, but good for children they likely to kick off comforter at night time, also more healthy for them.

25c if your Aircon can achieved your required should use as 25c for common set-up, also save the green environment too..
Outdoor compressor may not runs like overloaded or full load else, just keep normal speed for whole night.

24c might be outdoor more hotter then set to adjust the balance of the room temperature too.

23c - 22c your Aircon not longer in cold condition should check gas pressure or do regular service and maintenance will solved.

20-21c maybe they really can't feel cold at all... That's personal reason, even inverter they might claim the unit not energy saving at all..

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My sister bought a new condo unit. Cables for a/c were pre-installed.
Recently asked an air-con installer to go to have a look. He said the cabling is of 3-wire type, so can only install non-inverter a/c or Panasonic inverter a/c.
Also, he said we can only install 2.0hp a/c in the living room, not more, not less.

Are there such restrictions hmm.gif
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jun 24 2015, 11:54 AM)
My sister bought a new condo unit. Cables for a/c were pre-installed.
Recently asked an air-con installer to go to have a look. He said the cabling is of 3-wire type, so can only install non-inverter a/c or Panasonic inverter a/c.
Also, he said we can only install 2.0hp a/c in the living room, not more, not less.

Are there such restrictions  hmm.gif
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Would like to know how many horsepower needed for my living + dining area.

The aircon location is at dining and currently I've ordered Panasonic non-inverter 1.5hp only, which I'm worry might be not enough..

Area: 24ft x 14ft x 9ft (2 ppls at most of the time, living facing west & lake which I think during afternoon - evening generate quite lots of heat.)
Entrance -> Dining -> Living.

I'm thinking whether should I change it to 2.0hp, need sifus here to give comments.

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kimsim cable wire for aircon 3 wires 2*1.5 enough?
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 24 2015, 12:50 PM)
kimsim cable wire for aircon 3 wires 2*1.5 enough?
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2x1.5 meter ?
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2x1.5 meter ?
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jun 24 2015, 11:54 AM)
My sister bought a new condo unit. Cables for a/c were pre-installed.
Recently asked an air-con installer to go to have a look. He said the cabling is of 3-wire type, so can only install non-inverter a/c or Panasonic inverter a/c.
Also, he said we can only install 2.0hp a/c in the living room, not more, not less.

Are there such restrictions  hmm.gif
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yes, certain aircond has a feedback sensor cable to the compressor and there will be 4 cables, if it is not done during installation, you might need to hack the wall and get the cables out and put in another cable

so best way is to find the feedback sensor from indoor unit only such as Panasonic or Daikin

for your living room, you can still go for 2.5hp, but the installer must know how to connect the copper hose to the smaller concealed hose
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regarding the refrigerant R410A, is that special requirement on the piping (if I'm not going to use inverter aircon)?

I've asked so many times to the management office & project office of my new condo, no one can give me clear answer whether the pipe installed is able to cope with R410A aircon.

I read over the internet it seems R410A will output higher pressure to the pipe so if the piping is not strong enough that will cause leaking issue?

struggling now whether to get a R410A aircon and hopefully someone here can help me on that.

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QUOTE(calvincty @ Jun 24 2015, 04:28 PM)
regarding the refrigerant R410A, is that special requirement on the piping (if I'm not going to use inverter aircon)?

I've asked so many times to the management office & project office of my new condo, no one can give me clear answer whether the pipe installed is able to cope with R410A aircon.

I read over the internet it seems R410A will output higher pressure to the pipe so if the piping is not strong enough that will cause leaking issue?

struggling now whether to get a R410A aircon and hopefully someone here can help me on that.
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Anyway just asking around the block new neighbors and see they had done the Aircon already, otherwise you need Aircon man come on site and check for u
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 24 2015, 05:31 PM)
I use 2 wire cable type for my aircon r22 no problem
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Just inverter on DC voltage more sensitive only.
Wire do not connected at half way.. The issue would be few months later
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QUOTE(calvincty @ Jun 24 2015, 04:28 PM)
regarding the refrigerant R410A, is that special requirement on the piping (if I'm not going to use inverter aircon)?

I've asked so many times to the management office & project office of my new condo, no one can give me clear answer whether the pipe installed is able to cope with R410A aircon.

I read over the internet it seems R410A will output higher pressure to the pipe so if the piping is not strong enough that will cause leaking issue?

struggling now whether to get a R410A aircon and hopefully someone here can help me on that.
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Sadly to say, most condo still come with concealed R22 piping, as far as I encountered.
So high probability yours one may be for R22.

It is not some "special piping" but thicker.

If the piping is catered for R22, then advisable to install R22 air-cond, if not remove it, or install a new piping.

Get installer to inspect the piping if cannot confirm the piping type.

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Just inverter on DC voltage more sensitive only.
Wire do not connected at half way.. The issue would be few months later
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no issue at all for my toshiba and daikin lor
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 24 2015, 05:47 PM)
no issue at all for my toshiba and daikin lor
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You saw them connected wires meh?

If wire too short just back to back, where got such thing
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 24 2015, 05:39 PM)
Sadly to say, most condo still come with concealed R22 piping, as far as I encountered.
So high probability yours one may be for R22.

It is not some "special piping" but thicker.

If the piping is catered for R22, then advisable to install R22 air-cond, if not remove it, or install a new piping.

Get installer to inspect the piping if cannot confirm the piping type.
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Instead the installer ask me to ask management, more accurate. Then management ask me to ask installer.. very bagus....
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QUOTE(calvincty @ Jun 24 2015, 05:54 PM)
Instead the installer ask me to ask management, more accurate. Then management ask me to ask installer.. very bagus....
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You are lucky not to hire this kind of installer.
Experienced installer should able to identify it easily through visibly and measurement of the pipe.

Management office only doing admin work on building management, they generally do not know technical stuff one.
You are better off to ask the developer engineer instead of management office personnel.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 24 2015, 06:11 PM)
You are lucky not to hire this kind of installer.
Experienced installer should able to identify it easily through visibly and measurement of the pipe.

Management office only doing admin work on building management, they generally do not know technical stuff one.
You are better off to ask the developer engineer instead of management office personnel.
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No, I'm not lucky. Coz I already made full payment to the shop for the R22 model. Anyway I just called to the developer engineer office and they will revert to me tomorrow. If they confirm R410A can be used then I'll change the model.

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Grade (or gauge): thickness of the copper pipe, generally a thicker copper pipe is able to withstand a higher operating pressure. The grade varies from the lowest SWG (standard working gauge) or G25 (0.51mm) to G21 (thickest). For inverter owners, the G23 (0.61mm) is usually recommended. If you have concealed piping, then G22 (0.71mm) is a better option. Another thing you should take note is the bending of the copper piping. To lower the odds of condensation or poor refrigerant flow (which will make the air-conditioner less cold), make sure that the piping is bent with a proper pipe bender (thus ensuring a pipe bent of about 90 degrees).
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QUOTE(calvincty @ Jun 24 2015, 06:22 PM)
No, I'm not lucky. Coz I already made full payment to the shop for the R22 model. Anyway I just called to the developer engineer office and they will revert to me tomorrow. If they confirm R410A can be used then I'll change the model.
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Developer engineer office has reverted to me that it can use R410A, then neightbour said he bring "aircon expert" to see the piping cannot use R410A.

Memang headache.

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QUOTE(calvincty @ Jun 25 2015, 10:14 AM)
Developer engineer office has reverted to me that it can use R410A, then neightbour said he bring "aircon expert" to see the piping cannot use R410A.

Memang headache.
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If the piping are new, you can always use R410A in R22 piping, the problem will not arise immediately, it will take a few years before the pipe burst and you can change new piping by then

The problem is R410A has higher pressure gas comparing with R22 thus it will make the piping crack if the wall of the pipe is less than 0.6mm.

If you cut the insulator out, you can see the thickness of the copper pipe printed on. Best is check it yourself
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QUOTE(calvincty @ Jun 25 2015, 10:14 AM)
Developer engineer office has reverted to me that it can use R410A, then neightbour said he bring "aircon expert" to see the piping cannot use R410A.

Memang headache.
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Can use is one matter.
While the pipe is purposely cater for R410a spec is another matter.

You don't ask the engineer can use or not.
You ask what is the spec of the pipe.
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Can use is one matter.
While the pipe is purposely cater for R410a spec is another matter.

You don't ask the engineer can use or not.
You ask what is the spec of the pipe.
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What spec should I concern on? The thickness of the pipe?
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Any idea what is the diff between r410 and r32? One shop recommended me to take the daikin r32 inverter instead of the 410.
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Any idea what is the diff between r410 and r32? One shop recommended me to take the daikin r32 inverter instead of the 410.
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Wow cash rich and most advanced
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rclxub.gif was told price about the same leh?
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just checked to change model from r22 to r410.. each need tambah RM 80, and upgrade one of it from 1.5hp to 2hp need add RM 950 for my living room.

damn gao. -.-
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For r410 and r22 gas, 0.61mm enough?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 25 2015, 10:49 AM)
Can use is one matter.
While the pipe is purposely cater for R410a spec is another matter.

You don't ask the engineer can use or not.
You ask what is the spec of the pipe.
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I talked to the technician of condo contractor. He told me that the pipes can be used for both inverter and non-inverter types. (I suppose what he meant was R410 and R22). However, max for 'new gas' is 2.5 hp, while max for 'old gas' is 2.0 hp.

If pressure for R410 is higher, isn't that we should use smaller hp a/c rclxub.gif
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Stock market boring, so master cherroy now talks a/c liao  laugh.gif
I talked to the technician of condo contractor. He told me that the pipes can be used for both inverter and non-inverter types. (I suppose what he meant was R410 and R22). However, max for 'new gas' is 2.5 hp, while max for 'old gas' is 2.0 hp.

If pressure for R410 is higher, isn't that we should use smaller hp a/c  rclxub.gif
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The gas inside is just a transfer medium. And R22 do have 2.5HP model. That's why you need to know the application of the air cond. For me, the living need to be maintain for 25-26°C on the sofas area, so 2HP are enough for me. But if you were to cool down the whole room, then you need 2.5HP or above for a 22*15 room.
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Stock market boring, so master cherroy now talks a/c liao  laugh.gif
I talked to the technician of condo contractor. He told me that the pipes can be used for both inverter and non-inverter types. (I suppose what he meant was R410 and R22). However, max for 'new gas' is 2.5 hp, while max for 'old gas' is 2.0 hp.

If pressure for R410 is higher, isn't that we should use smaller hp a/c  rclxub.gif
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Pipe are all the same, just thickness, and diameter only.

The concern of pipe is about ability to withstand the higher pressure of R410a which operates about 1.6x R22, especially at joint part, as mentioned by forumer.

Smaller HP motor how to pump higher pressure? laugh.gif

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Bros, just want to check on your comment on Mitsubishi and Hitachi non inverter aircond. Is it good?
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Bros, just want to check on your comment on Mitsubishi and Hitachi non inverter aircond. Is it good?
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If you can just stay away from hitachi, cause not last at all

You can consider ME R410a non inverter deluxe model for save some
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Panasonic econavi aircon ok? Salesman and airconman recommend me. Is it quiet and safe electricity?
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econavi very loud compressor what i heard
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The gas inside is just a transfer medium. And R22 do have 2.5HP model. That's why you need to know the application of the air cond. For me, the living need to be maintain for 25-26°C on the sofas area, so 2HP are enough for me. But if you were to cool down the whole room, then you need 2.5HP or above for a 22*15 room.
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you guys talk about inverter saving electricity and r410 for green environment but use aircon at living room 2hp somemore. I guess i am greener with 1/2 hp aircon r22 at my bedroom only.cheaper electricity bill too than yours
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 25 2015, 10:31 PM)
you guys talk about inverter saving electricity and r410 for green environment but use aircon at living room 2hp somemore. I guess i am greener with 1/2 hp aircon r22 at my bedroom only.cheaper electricity bill too than yours
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Well, I never says that inverter can really save electricity.
Only some fanboys die die says it can save doh.gif
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Actually m'sian user almost claim inverter not saving energy at much.

Due to what reason?
Set too low Temperatures because the unit after installed never check gas pressure and tells the customer original gas from MFGs should be enought within 3m long piping and unnecessary for topping gas at all.
The bonus from who installed may save some extra gas here.

The next step from the user may claim the unit of inverter never as cold as non inverter right.
Cause non inverter from the installed they will doing the right thing and top up gas or check pressure before they leave, why ?
Answer here : cheap who care the gas on R22.

Everything if not right then you guys should claim the issue to installation and do the right thing before they handle for you.

From inverter the main setting was temperature n follow by fan speed.

(Inverter unit may not set as low as on 23C from the energy is quite similar to non inverter unit, that is why claim the inverter never save up at all)



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Bonus added..

Inverter gas pressure after compressor kick in the meter must show is around 80 gas level and can't less than 70-60 around.

From 80 then the inverter unit may runs more energy saving at all.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 26 2015, 07:43 AM)
Actually m'sian user almost claim inverter not saving energy at much.

Due to what reason?
Set too low Temperatures because the unit after installed never check gas pressure and tells the customer original gas from MFGs should be enought within 3m long piping and unnecessary for topping gas at all.
The bonus from who installed may save some extra gas here.

The next step from the user may claim the unit of inverter never as cold as non inverter right.
Cause non inverter from the installed they will doing the right thing and top up gas or check pressure before they leave, why ?
Answer here : cheap who care the gas on R22.

Everything if not right then you guys should claim the issue to installation and do the right thing before they handle for you.

From inverter the main setting was temperature n follow by fan speed.

(Inverter unit may not set as low as on 23C from the energy is quite similar to non inverter unit, that is why claim the inverter never save up at all)
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 26 2015, 10:10 AM)
my electricity is less than you. checkmate
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 26 2015, 07:43 AM)
Actually m'sian user almost claim inverter not saving energy at much.

Due to what reason?
Set too low Temperatures because the unit after installed never check gas pressure and tells the customer original gas from MFGs should be enought within 3m long piping and unnecessary for topping gas at all.
The bonus from who installed may save some extra gas here.

The next step from the user may claim the unit of inverter never as cold as non inverter right.
Cause non inverter from the installed they will doing the right thing and top up gas or check pressure before they leave, why ?
Answer here : cheap who care the gas on R22.

Everything if not right then you guys should claim the issue to installation and do the right thing before they handle for you.

From inverter the main setting was temperature n follow by fan speed.

(Inverter unit may not set as low as on 23C from the energy is quite similar to non inverter unit, that is why claim the inverter never save up at all)
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Inverter or non-inverter, the procedure of installation is the same.
Installer has the habit of install wrongly on inverter but not in non-inverter?
R22 too cheap until full too much for customer?

What a statement made... laugh.gif

I only know every installer will check the gas pressure after they filled in the gas.

If like that, everyone install inverter one may be need to "scare" installer not doing the right thing during installation.
So better to install non-inverter so that eliminate the chance of wrong installation.

Previously say non-inverter cannot on more than 3 hours,
now inverter cannot set below 23c....
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Little saving is actually quite simple, because the inverter need to run 100% most of time due to the room condition.
Not that cold may because of at the particular time inverter is running at partial load, hence the coolness output also partial.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 26 2015, 10:51 AM)
Inverter or non-inverter, the procedure of installation is the same.
Installer has the habit of install wrongly on inverter but not in non-inverter?
R22 too cheap until full too much for customer?

What a statement made...  laugh.gif

I only know every installer will check the gas pressure after they filled in the gas.

If like that, everyone install inverter one may be need to "scare" installer not doing the right thing during installation.
So better to install non-inverter so that eliminate the chance of wrong installation.


Previously say non-inverter cannot on more than 3 hours,
now inverter cannot set below 23c....
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Little saving is actually quite simple, because the inverter need to run 100% most of time due to the room condition.
Not that cold may because of at the particular time inverter is running at partial load, hence the coolness output also partial.
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How you know and do you monitor them when doing installation?
If you know Aircon deffinelty they can't cheat you.

Inverter vs non inverter the different between is an outdoor PCB to control temperature and fan motor & compressor runs less lost enegy, unlike non inverter may keep need 100% kick in after starting from temp reached period.
But inverter may run in part load to supply minimum presure to keep indoor cold as pre-set.

From inverter & non inverter should run in 100% when start up on compressor with full speed, if not how to called inverter faster cooling than non inverter.

Type of compressor from non inverter still keep on AC motor vs inverter All DC may reduce energy too

Noise wise non inverter would runing stronger vibration, unlike inverter DC motor will be generate less vibration at all.



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Quiet, and super saving electricity.

Not cold only (compared to Daikin inverter, Panasonic non-inverter, York non-inverter). I won't buy ever again.
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How you know and do you monitor them when doing installation?
If you know Aircon deffinelty they can't cheat you.

Inverter vs non inverter the different between is an outdoor PCB to control temperature and fan motor & compressor runs less lost enegy, unlike non inverter may keep need 100% kick in after starting from temp reached period.
But inverter may run in part load to supply minimum presure to keep indoor cold as pre-set.

From inverter & non inverter should run in 100% when start up on compressor with full speed, if not how to called inverter faster cooling than non inverter.

Type of compressor from non inverter still keep on AC motor vs inverter All DC may reduce energy too

Noise wise non inverter would runing stronger vibration, unlike inverter DC motor will be generate less vibration at all.
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I am quite amaze with the adding on further legendary comment.

Non-inverter ----> stronger vibration. laugh.gif

All proper compressor should have little vibration across, no manufacturer produces a compressor with "strong vibration" one.

Vibration normally caused by improper installation, particularly at mounting part. A wear bearing, fan blade broken causing imbalance etc also a factor causing vibration.
Vibration definitely is not because it is a non-inverter. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 26 2015, 04:24 PM)
wow,
I am quite amaze with the adding on further legendary comment.

Non-inverter ----> stronger vibration.  laugh.gif

All proper compressor should have little vibration across, no manufacturer produces a compressor with "strong vibration" one.

Vibration normally caused by improper installation, particularly at mounting part. A wear bearing, fan blade broken causing imbalance etc also a factor causing vibration.
Vibration definitely is not because it is a non-inverter.   laugh.gif
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He he

Just show the brand new non inverter here, from the noise much worst at all.

Don't play play the noise from compressor running an even indoor walls can feel the humming whining from outdoor compressor.
IF inverter just air blowing noise only, but after night time may reduce low noise and dB as well.


Daikin non inverter even green gas also can't beat with inverter used ME model self imported from S'pore.
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Daikin non inverter 1hp input watt 833w vs ME inverter 640w only, over here has saving 193w easily why still going for non inverter?
Just the ME discountinued model in M'sia only.
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Daikin non inverter 1hp input watt 833w vs ME inverter 640w only, over here has saving 193w easily why still going for non inverter?
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A brand 1 HP may not the same with B brand 1 HP, although both being labelled as 1 HP.

Just like Toyota 1.6 vs Proton 1.6, both also 1.6, but they used different engine hence the output and fuel consumption is not the same to start with.

Just like A brand 1 HP BTU may be 9000, while B brand 1 HP may be 11,000.

Nobody is against inverter nor saying inverter doesn't save electricity, but to say non-inverter --> more vibration is overboard already.
I never came across any inverter manufacturers made such a claim before. laugh.gif



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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 26 2015, 06:24 PM)
A brand 1 HP may not the same with B brand 1 HP, although both being labelled as 1 HP.

Just like Toyota 1.6 vs Proton 1.6, both also 1.6, but they used different engine hence the output and fuel consumption is not the same to start with.

Just like A brand 1 HP BTU may be 9000, while B brand 1 HP may be 11,000.

Nobody is against inverter nor saying inverter doesn't save electricity, but to say non-inverter --> more vibration is overboard already.
I never came across any inverter manufacturers made such a claim before.  laugh.gif
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Ok ok you win

Talks can be varies, when use is totally different.

Nowadays Toyota Altis 1.6L mana boreh flight with proton saga 1.6L in common road

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Ok ok you win

Talks can be varies, when use is totally different.

Nowadays Toyota Altis 1.6L mana boreh flight with proton saga 1.6L in common road
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I don't want to win anything, just want to correct some statement and understanding which is not right to start with.  smile.gif
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Different point of view..

Inverter is still most advance than non inverter never do the right thing on comfort level.

Even not green environment too
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Different point of view..

Inverter is still most advance than non inverter never do the right thing on comfort level.

Even not green environment too
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Inverter is not "advance" technology, DC motor and feedback loop to control the DC motor rpm exist even before I was born, just how they deploy in the air-conditioning system only.

The "green" actual term should be less polluting, not really that "green".
The real "green" is not using air-cond, back to natural condition.

There are too many marketing gimmick on "green" and "organic" already.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 26 2015, 06:54 PM)
Inverter is not "advance" technology, DC motor and feedback loop to control the DC motor rpm exist even before I was born, just how they deploy in the air-conditioning system only.

The "green" actual term should be less polluting, not really that "green".
The real "green" is not using air-cond, back to natural condition.

There are too many marketing gimmick on "green" and "organic" already.
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Wow Sifu

Agree with you, but in real life inverter still saving than non inverter these is no reason why or unsave, just due to improper usage would be spoil the overall

Now is 2015 like SG had phase out of non inverter anymore.

Just in M'sia still too slow

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Or second hand but look new also can
Any expert here please help

Thanks a lot

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Inverter Vs Non-Inverter Air Conditioner Unit
When it comes to choosing which split system air conditioner to install, there are two main technologies to be considered the inverter and non inverter air conditioner. These both system offer similar function but are different in terms of what type of compressor motor is running the system. The compressor is that part of the unit that is responsible for compressing the refrigerant into liquid and then shuts off and allows it to expand. As this happens, the refrigerant begins to cool thereby producing the desired effect of cooling. The question now is that "what is the difference between them". This article is aimed at helping you see their differences and help you make a suitable choice.

The Inverter Controller Unit

- Variable Speed:
On one hand, an inverter air conditioner unit which is considered as more sophisticated is made up of a variable speed compressor rather than at a fixed speed. Although this process is more complicated than it sounds but the essence of the variable speed is not to allow the compressor running at full power all the time it is put on but rather to control their operation as needed. This compressor is meant to constantly regulate the temperature as desired.

- Energy Efficient:
This is considered A- graded when it come to energy-efficiency and also a more economic method to operate on. This means that for the inverter model, the cooling and heating is automated in an energy efficient and smooth manner. This is done with a censor adjusting the power according to the current temperature. This is similar to the way the pressure of a car is controlled when you either increase or reduce the pressure on the accelerator.

- Quiet Sound:
The inverter air conditioner is quieter in its operation. This is because unlike the non inverters, they don't automatically turn on and off every time they reach certain temperature limits; instead they just cruise along maintaining and adjusting the temperature constantly. Also, contrary to the operation of a non converter, the inverter uses less power and as a result they work less. This also means that their wear and tear is less making them last longer. Compared to a non-inverter system, the inverter air conditioner unit is more expensive to buy but is considered to offer wise investment on a long term.

The Non Inverter Controller Unit

- Fixed Speed:
On the other hand the non inverter air conditioners are known as the most common air conditioner unit available in the market. When it comes to controlling the compressor, it does it in an "all or none" principle basis. The non-inverter air conditioner system is a model that operates by simply being switched on or off in controlling it temperature. Rather than allowing the compressor to run at a full power all the time it is on, the compressor motor here controls the compressor as needed. A constant amount of energy is delivered to the compressor which causes it to run at a fixed speed.

- Noise:
The non-inverter model usually turns on and off any time they reach a certain temperature considered to be their limit. This happen as the compressor is starts and is then noticed to subsequently stop. It freezes for one minute and then another minute it starts getting hot. As a result of this turning on and off to reach certain temperatures, the system is made to work harder and is also made to produce a whole lot of noise. Unlike the inverter, these models make a whole lot of noise a result of working harder. This also causes a wear and tear on the system, making it not to last long as compared to the inverter air conditioner models.

- Costs Less:
These air conditioners are significantly less costly compared to inverter air conditioner unit. Installing this model will cost a little above what the inverter air conditioner unit will cost.

One of the things to consider when purchasing an air conditioner system in other to know which will be best for you is how frequently and at what level the system will be used. Your pocket and also your environment will also play a part in determining what type of model you will end up with.
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QUOTE(Mrmr @ Jun 27 2015, 06:56 AM)
Can recommend the cheapest aircon sell in market nw,just need simple function and most cheap price will do,install in worker office only

Any expert here please help

Thanks a lot
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Acson or Daikin cooling King will do

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Acson or Daikin cooling King will do
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What's the cheapest price for this 2 ? Thx
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Still got more cheapest but not durable you want?

Midia & MHI smaller indoor.

Again can consider used unit also good price too, or planning for short while

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Still got more cheapest but not durable you want?

Midia & MHI smaller indoor.

Again can consider used unit also good price too, or planning for short while
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Acson or Daikin cooling King will do,so u know the price for this two?

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My room Aircon dripped a bit of water last night. Just like 8-10 drops then it stopped. Temp was set at 25C. I felt cold then reduced it to 26C. Is it too cold or not draining well?
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My room Aircon dripped a bit of water last night. Just like 8-10 drops then it stopped. Temp was set at 25C. I felt cold then reduced it to 26C. Is it too cold or not draining well?
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Water drain not fast enough? Need to tilt the aircon abit more. Use your level gauge check the aircon is really tilt to the drain pipe side.
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QUOTE(Mrmr @ Jun 27 2015, 06:56 AM)
Can recommend the cheapest aircon sell in market nw,just need simple function and most cheap price will do,install in worker office only

Or second hand but look new also can
Any expert here please help

Thanks a lot
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Before jumping in to conclusion, check the spec of the air cond you are going to buy.
If a brand A 1HP air cond cost you rm1000 and using 1100W of power, brand B same HP but using 900W of power and need rm1200.
Which brand you are going to take?
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 27 2015, 07:13 AM)
Still got more cheapest but not durable you want?

Midia & MHI smaller indoor.

Again can consider used unit also good price too, or planning for short while
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MHI should be more durable than acson and daikin GA. MHI made in thailand one
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daikin non inverter thailand less noisy than daikin inverter one
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We can buy Thailand-made Daikin non-inverter in Malaysia?  unsure.gif
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Can recommend the cheapest aircon sell in market nw,just need simple function and most cheap price will do,install in worker office only

Or second hand but look new also can
Any expert here please help

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Hisense 1HP, RM599 sold by Lazada. rclxms.gif
Brand new.
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Hisense 1HP, RM599 sold by Lazada.  rclxms.gif
Brand new.
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Good thing not cheap.
Cheap thing not good.

Good and cheap.. slow slow wait.
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So I have a 1HP Mr Slim(Looks similar to the Starmex units) unit which I got a few months ago. It's easy to clean and cools quite well. But I was expecting quiet air conditioning but nope. When on high,it sounds like a tornado.
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QUOTE(MrToper @ Jun 28 2015, 04:22 PM)
So I have a 1HP Mr Slim(Looks similar to the Starmex units) unit which I got a few months ago. It's easy to clean and cools quite well. But I was expecting quiet air conditioning but nope. When on high,it sounds like a tornado.
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So far only Panasonic fit on cool down fast, quiet operation.
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So far only Panasonic fit on cool down fast, quiet operation.
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Well my old AC unit was a Panasonic.
The compressor was making a whole lot of noise and it's not cooling anymore.

But the fan noise on the Panasonic was more bearable.
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Well my old AC unit was a Panasonic.
The compressor was making a whole lot of noise and it's not cooling anymore.

But the fan noise on the Panasonic was more bearable.
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And if the air cond not cold, can be due to few reasons like thermostat near cooling coil blocked, gas not enough or compressor's fan not running anymore.
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QUOTE(MrToper @ Jun 28 2015, 04:22 PM)
So I have a 1HP Mr Slim(Looks similar to the Starmex units) unit which I got a few months ago. It's easy to clean and cools quite well. But I was expecting quiet air conditioning but nope. When on high,it sounds like a tornado.
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If you knew how using in proper way, should be not using in high fan speed for common time, except for wanna cold down the room as fast then baru adjust to high fan speed.
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If you knew how using in proper way, should be not using in high fan speed for common time, except for wanna cold down the room as fast then baru adjust to high fan speed.
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I'm using it on medium as of now. There's abit of wind noise but if I set to low,I can't feel too much airflow from where im sleeping.
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QUOTE(MrToper @ Jun 28 2015, 05:35 PM)
I'm using it on medium as of now. There's abit of wind noise but if I set to low,I can't feel too much airflow from where im sleeping.
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How long the Aircon has been usage?

Try to clean out the filter or gas leaking would be the happening, like normal serving is around 3-4 mths interval regular service will do
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May I know if 1.0 hp is good enough for a room measuring 16 feet x 17 feet (including bathroom)? This room faces east.

Of course, when the aircon is on, the bathroom door will be closed.
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How long the Aircon has been usage?

Try to clean out the filter or gas leaking would be the happening, like normal serving is around 3-4 mths interval regular service will do
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Well its a fairly new system which is a few months old.There were no gas leaks,just cleaned it.
And since I got it there is always that wind noise.
On Low you can't hear wind noise but the air flow is really soft.Medium,abit of wind noise but got used to it. High,it sounds like a tornado on drugs(Louder than the Panasonic unit it replaced).
The compressor unit is reasonably quiet

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QUOTE(MrToper @ Jun 28 2015, 08:49 PM)
Well its a fairly new system which is a few months old.There were no gas leaks,just cleaned it.
And since I got it there is always that wind noise.
On Low you can't hear wind noise but the air flow is really soft.Medium,abit of wind noise but got used to it. High,it sounds like a tornado on drugs(Louder than the Panasonic unit it replaced).
The compressor unit is reasonably quiet
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Ok maybe that is GJ model.
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MHI should be more durable than acson and daikin GA. MHI made in thailand one
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Thanks ,so did u know where can buy this MHI brand , what's the cheapest price model?
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Hisense 1HP, RM599 sold by Lazada.  rclxms.gif
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Thanks can give me the link please

So this rm599 aircon,I think is the cheapest that can get in market now,normally in sen heng or tbn all also more than 1k

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Just asked . Mitsubishi 1hp air cond . Kinda like the design.

Around. 1180 price ok? Plus installation
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Where. Can buy? And how much thanks
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Lazada stuff and promotion legit? Plan to upgrade my room to 1.5hp AC
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Hi guys. Need opinion.

My parent just installed the Sharp aircon AHA9RDVat their house, 3 weeks ago. During first 2 days, they said the aircon is cool enough (temp set around 22-23 and using comfort mode).
However last week they start complaining that the aircon is not soo cold. Even they set temp 20, they are not satisfied with the cooling provide by the aircon. feels like panas2.

Its any sign that the aircon is problem or the weather nowadays are too hot to be cold? tongue.gif Purchase the aircon less than 1 month. icon_question.gif

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Lazada don't sell, they are just middleman.
Bought some Dremel accessories from them, end up is from another shop.
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Lazada don't sell, they are just middleman.
Bought some Dremel accessories from them, end up is from another shop.
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This is not Lazada support post. But yes you will get the air con. Bear in mind it could be from different suppliers. No installation however it's just delivered to your door.

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Hi sifus, suppose that my house already has the aircond piping already built in,
how much would air cond installation fee cost for 1 HP, 1.5 HP and 2.0 HP ?
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Do they really make sure the shop deliver the products? Saw some promo Samsung S6 until 1.5k seems too good to believe
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Basically they have runners go and ask the shops to sell their products thru their website. For sure the shoppers won't want to have lost. That's where MSRP comes in to play.
Like Courts, they always boast that their price are lower, but do they ever says their price are lower compare to who? Even if MSRP is rm10000, they sell at rm9999.94 still cheaper. Can you sue them on this? I doubt so.
That's why I always ask members to survey the price before decide.

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Hi. I'm new. Can anyone suggest good 1hp air conditioner for me? I'm thinking to get Electrolux 1.0HP ESM09CRD-C1 or ELBA 1.0HP Air Conditioner EACI-A1050 Aircond with Ionizer .. Is this model ok? Thanks in advance.


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QUOTE(mieza @ Jun 30 2015, 09:11 AM)
Hi. I'm new. Can anyone suggest good 1hp air conditioner for me? I'm thinking to get Electrolux 1.0HP ESM09CRD-C1 or ELBA 1.0HP Air Conditioner EACI-A1050 Aircond with Ionizer .. Is this model ok? Thanks in advance.
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Plan to usage in short term or long term?
If one day turn on more than 8 hrs go for inverter unit like Daikin 1hp cheap and good and durable to last you around 10 yrs at least.

Most of cheapest one for turn on shock shock only, the input watt should be much higher than 900w at least

Meant not energy efficiently at all
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 30 2015, 09:27 AM)
Plan to usage in short term or long term?
If one day turn on more than 8 hrs go for inverter unit like Daikin 1hp cheap and good and durable to last you around 10 yrs at least.

Most of cheapest one for turn on shock shock only, the input watt should be much higher than 900w at least

Meant not energy efficiently at all
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My normal use only from 8pm-12am.. I will turned the air cond off before go to sleep.. Daikin advantage is for electrical usage right?
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QUOTE(mieza @ Jun 30 2015, 10:28 AM)
My normal use only from 8pm-12am.. I will turned the air cond off before go to sleep.. Daikin advantage is for electrical usage right?
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For all non inverter if usage less than 5 hours should more or less there.
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My room is around 150sqft,using a daikin r410a L series jz installed around 1 month back...
I hav been trying to full blast d air-cond when I sleep,means 18 celcius at high speed for few days aid...
Not feeling very cold until I feel like freezing...
Jz comfortably cold only...

So I am suspecting my air-cond got problem now...
Coz I dun think is because of d hot weather...
Last time I mentioned dat I heard water dripping sound after 1 week of installation...
It will be dripping for a few seconds after 5 mins I switch on d air-cond...
Den no more...
Could it be d problem?

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QUOTE(Str33tBoY @ Jul 1 2015, 01:30 AM)
My room is around 150sqft,using a daikin r410a L series jz installed around 1 month back...
I hav been trying to full blast d air-cond when I sleep,means 18 celcius at high speed for few days aid...
Not feeling very cold until I feel like freezing...
Jz comfortably cold only...

So I am suspecting my air-cond got problem now...
Coz I dun think is because of d hot weather...
Last time I mentioned dat I heard water dripping sound after 1 week of installation...
It will be dripping for a few seconds after 5 mins I switch on d air-cond...
Den no more...
Could it be d problem?
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After done the installation did the Aircon man check the gas presure before leaving?

Now is hot weather just slighly low presure = not cold at all

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QUOTE(why.key @ Jul 1 2015, 10:08 AM)
Hi, i plan to install air con for my master room.
1,0 HP, budget max Rm 1700.
preference is energy efficiency, inverter and reliable . any recommendation ?
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1700 is more than enough
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QUOTE(why.key @ Jul 1 2015, 10:08 AM)
Hi, i plan to install air con for my master room.
1,0 HP, budget max Rm 1700.
preference is energy efficiency, inverter and reliable . any recommendation ?
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Master bedroom 1.0 hp enough?
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 26 2015, 05:41 PM)
He he

Just show the brand new non inverter here, from the noise much worst at all.

Don't play play the noise from compressor running an even indoor walls can feel the humming whining from outdoor compressor.
IF inverter just air blowing noise only, but after night time may reduce low noise and dB as well.


Daikin non inverter even green gas also can't beat with inverter used ME model self imported from S'pore.
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Daikin non inverter 1hp input watt 833w vs ME inverter 640w only, over here has saving 193w easily why still going for non inverter?
Just the ME discountinued model in M'sia only.
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 1 2015, 02:49 PM)
My ME inverter 1HP used 800W leh... whistling.gif
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Your new ME has been cutting cost and they bring Indonesia model for M'sia, unless you go with premium inverter just 485w only
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 1 2015, 03:31 PM)
Your new ME has been cutting cost and they bring Indonesia model for M'sia, unless you go with premium inverter just 485w only
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Then why u still recommend ME everywhere. whistling.gif ME = cheapskate cut cost, period. whistling.gif

I consider RM1.5k for 1HP unit already premium, anything above it, sorry, no go for me.
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 1 2015, 04:17 PM)
Then why u still recommend ME everywhere. whistling.gif ME = cheapskate cut cost, period. whistling.gif

I consider RM1.5k for 1HP unit already premium, anything above it, sorry, no go for me.
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I had sometime ago never recommended on ME for 1hp to 1.5hp & 2hp and excepted for 2.5Hp ME inverter.

You can read my replied sometime ago has push on Daikin GA inverter
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 1 2015, 04:21 PM)
I had sometime ago never recommended on ME for 1hp to 1.5hp & 2hp and excepted for 2.5Hp ME inverter.

You can read my replied sometime ago has push on Daikin GA inverter
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Daikin GA inverter? u sure or not? I saw the 1HP inverter model power min-max is 280-920W (rated 780W), i dun think is outstanding power saving, more or less same as my ME only.

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 1 2015, 04:47 PM)
Daikin GA inverter? u sure or not? I saw the 1HP inverter model power min-max is 280-920W, i dun think is outstanding power saving, more or less same as my ME only.
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Ya how is ur ME 1hp inverter any feedback from you?

Just sharing here, since u r the user.
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kimsim why made in thailand one better than made in malaysia or china? we know rm> baht. we are more develop than thai
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 1 2015, 04:59 PM)
kimsim why made in thailand one better than made in malaysia or china? we know rm> baht. we are more develop than thai
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Just tells u on Daikin made in Thailand really worst design than made in MY.

You see how dusty there are, but the fan blower can't remove out or difficult to take out

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For York design at least the blower still can able to remove out and spray with water n brush.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 1 2015, 04:54 PM)
Ya how is ur ME 1hp inverter any feedback from you?

Just sharing here, since u r the user.
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I normally set 26'C-27'C only, the temp set was quite accurate la, i measure using thermometer same as the temp i set. But don't know why, sometimes it takes long time to reach my desired temp, sometimes faster, but the outside temp and room temp is more or less same everyday.

I switch ON 10 hours every night, i monitor my TNB meter, sometimes consume 5kW/night, sometimes can reach 8-9kW...not that kind of power saving that i expected.

Anyway, i noticed the outer copper pipe is not ice up during operation, i thought it should be ice up. hmm.gif The direct air blow from the blower is not as cold as expected too. The compressor is not working at its full capacity even on startup, which i think is suspicious. I suspect gas overfill or what.

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I just called ME to ask about my problem. He told me the temp delta of inlet vs outlet air temp during turn ON before it reach my desired temp should be around 15'C, and he said during normal operation the small copper pipe shouldn't freeze up, if not it means the refrigerant is not enough. I'm gonna to measure the temp tonight to see normal or not.
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 1 2015, 05:51 PM)
I just called ME to ask about my problem. He told me the temp delta of inlet vs outlet air temp during turn ON before it reach my desired temp should be around 15'C, and he said during normal operation the small copper pipe shouldn't freeze up, if not it means the refrigerant is not enough. I'm gonna to measure the temp tonight to see normal or not.
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Freeze can see at fan coil on right hand side, then the gas pipe still not connected as well, to be confirm gas leaking again

Your Aircon man boss also cannot used too.


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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 1 2015, 05:51 PM)
I just called ME to ask about my problem. He told me the temp delta of inlet vs outlet air temp during turn ON before it reach my desired temp should be around 15'C, and he said during normal operation the small copper pipe shouldn't freeze up, if not it means the refrigerant is not enough. I'm gonna to measure the temp tonight to see normal or not.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 1 2015, 05:05 PM)
Just tells u on Daikin made in Thailand really worst design than made in MY.

You see how dusty there are, but the fan blower can't remove out or difficult to take out

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For York design at least the blower still can able to remove out and spray with water n brush.
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but why more durable?
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 1 2015, 06:20 PM)
but why more durable?
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Durable York is better also cheaper, even sound airflow dB much better to handle than non inverter model, much quiet from indoor also much cooler
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 1 2015, 06:23 PM)
Durable York is better also cheaper, even sound airflow dB much better to handle than non inverter model, much quiet from indoor also much cooler
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I will buy MHI
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 1 2015, 06:29 PM)
I will buy MHI
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MHI indoor unit design not as good, the worst part on fan blower cannot be remove n also fan coil area very smaller surface, once blocking then difficult to clean out.

Daikin GA much better than MHI lah
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 1 2015, 06:31 PM)
MHI indoor unit design not as good, the worst part on fan blower cannot be remove n also fan coil area very smaller surface, once blocking then difficult to clean out.

Daikin GA much better than MHI lah
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can you give me the pic of mhi indoor?
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 1 2015, 06:57 PM)
can you give me the pic of mhi indoor?
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Didn't take, cause not interested at all
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no pic means no fact at all bro. mhi claims in brochure very easy to clean and remove filter
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i going to make my 2nd batch order.

1HP for guestroom , prefer non-inverter since noone is coming hahah
1.5hp for 1st family hall , i dont expect to open it for more than 2 hour because most time people all stay downstair.

1.5hp for living hall . this unit also backup to support my 2hp livinghall(main) ,

1) What is your suggestion which shall i take inverter or non-inverter.
2) i see Pana and MIt non-inverter also use new gas r4xxx. should i stay with new gas.
3)both living and family hall unit are for short and need quick cool , any brand to recommend for now ?
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QUOTE(mghong @ Jul 1 2015, 09:53 PM)
i going to make my 2nd batch order.

1HP for guestroom , prefer non-inverter since noone is coming hahah
1.5hp for 1st family hall , i dont expect to open it for more than 2 hour because most time people all stay downstair.

1.5hp for living hall . this unit also backup to support my 2hp livinghall(main) ,

1) What is your suggestion which shall i take inverter or non-inverter.
2) i see Pana and MIt non-inverter also use new gas r4xxx. should i stay with new gas.
3)both living and family hall unit are for short and need quick cool , any brand to recommend for now ?
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1hp guest room no need to think, get Hisense RM619 from Lazada habis cerita.
1.5hp no more than 2 hours, on daily? Daikin non-inverter, base model.

Don't take inverter since guest room seldom use, and 1st family hall only 2 hours..by the time the room cool down you also turn off already.

Backup unit also take non-inverter, take the Daikin also lor. Easy.

For your use case, no need inverter. Buy inverter for your scenario really idiot.

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If you look at graph, assume T2 is 2 hours, for sake of discussion lah. Both inverter & non-inverter will work at max capacity to cool down the room temperature rapidly (if you DO NOT want the room to cool down as fast as possible, buy Panasonic Deluxe Inverter air con).

Non-inverter and inverter both have max btu cooling rating. Regardless inverter or not, if both are 9000btu/hr, they should both cool the room of the same size within the same amount of time. So no such bullshit as "inverter" is cooler. In fact, due to the way non-inverter works, the non-inverter will overshoot your desired temperature (depending on when you turn it off). So assuming you turn it off at T2 the room would have been cooler with the non-inverter unit.

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Inverter power saving is too much hype adi...for bedroom, buy inverter for comfort, becos less temperature variation. For power saving, honestly not really that much.

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 2 2015, 12:04 AM)
1hp guest room no need to think, get Hisense RM619 from Lazada habis cerita.
1.5hp no more than 2 hours, on daily? Daikin non-inverter, base model.

Don't take inverter since guest room seldom use, and 1st family hall only 2 hours..by the time the room cool down you also turn off already.

Backup unit also take non-inverter, take the Daikin also lor. Easy.

For your use case, no need inverter. Buy inverter for your scenario really idiot.

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If you look at graph, assume T2 is 2 hours, for sake of discussion lah. Both inverter & non-inverter will work at max capacity to cool down the room temperature rapidly (if you DO NOT want the room to cool down as fast as possible, buy Panasonic Deluxe Inverter air con).

Non-inverter and inverter both have max btu cooling rating. Regardless inverter or not, if both are 9000btu/hr, they should both cool the room of the same size within the same amount of time. So no such bullshit as "inverter" is cooler. In fact, due to the way non-inverter works, the non-inverter will overshoot your desired temperature (depending on when you turn it off). So assuming you turn it off at T2 the room would have been cooler with the non-inverter unit.
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You are right, most inverter aircond advertised 'inverter cool the room much faster' is just plain bull shit.
The power saving only come when after temperature settled, however it depends on what temperature you set and the room size, if you set 25'C, it will save some power compare to non inverter, but if always full blast at lowest temp (16'C), i afraid the saving is negligible, and i don't think there are many chance that an aircond can bring the room temp to 16'C (if really can i doubt it will be less than 5-6 hours), means always not reach the desired temp then the compressor will always work at its full capacity, then how to power saving?
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 1 2015, 05:57 PM)
Freeze can see at fan coil on right hand side, then the gas pipe still not connected as well, to be confirm gas leaking again

Your Aircon man boss also cannot used too.
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Not leaking la...i suspect they overcharge my compressor, becos no freezing at all. Freezing means refrigerant not enuf.
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 2 2015, 12:55 AM)
Not leaking la...i suspect they overcharge my compressor, becos no freezing at all. Freezing means refrigerant not enuf.
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The normal inverter gas pressure should do maximum on 180 around there, cannot lower than 160 won't be energy saving

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 2 2015, 12:04 AM)
1hp guest room no need to think, get Hisense RM619 from Lazada habis cerita.
1.5hp no more than 2 hours, on daily? Daikin non-inverter, base model.

Don't take inverter since guest room seldom use, and 1st family hall only 2 hours..by the time the room cool down you also turn off already.

Backup unit also take non-inverter, take the Daikin also lor. Easy.

For your use case, no need inverter. Buy inverter for your scenario really idiot.

EDIT:

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If you look at graph, assume T2 is 2 hours, for sake of discussion lah. Both inverter & non-inverter will work at max capacity to cool down the room temperature rapidly (if you DO NOT want the room to cool down as fast as possible, buy Panasonic Deluxe Inverter air con).

Non-inverter and inverter both have max btu cooling rating. Regardless inverter or not, if both are 9000btu/hr, they should both cool the room of the same size within the same amount of time. So no such bullshit as "inverter" is cooler. In fact, due to the way non-inverter works, the non-inverter will overshoot your desired temperature (depending on when you turn it off). So assuming you turn it off at T2 the room would have been cooler with the non-inverter unit.
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Pana inverter from 1-1.5hp still much slower than others, if compare to Daikin GA inverter.

Nowadays most non inverter were packaged with new gas R410a should be same amount of cooling with inverter model, just without comfort level, due to on & off after the temp. reaching, but inverter will reduce the compressor rpm speed n fan speed too.

Anyway my friend still told me the fan aluminum coil is the most important to keep cold.

Some like slighly higher fan n noisy but not cold as fast.
Some like quiet and feel like no wind noisy but the cooling amount is slighly higher than noisy design.

Due to aluminum coil thickness was slighly thicker than others.

To compare from ME Starmex design was quiet operate but the cooling amount is slighly stronger than Pana factory setting for must be at least use 2 stop fan speed then can be feel the strong cold air n cooling amount, but the noise wise for sure is noisy.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 2 2015, 07:21 AM)
The normal inverter gas pressure should do maximum on 180 around there, cannot lower than 160 won't be energy saving

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I don think ice up on the cooling coil will bring any positive effect to the cooling. Freezing will block the fin hence air cannot enter the cooling coil, effectively you are losing cooling capacity of the freezing portion.

Anyway, yesterday night turn ON for 9 hours, temp set at 26'C, full fan speed, consumed around 4kW, which translated into 444W/h. The outside air temp is slightly lower yesterday due to rain on noon time, so i would say the power consumption is heavily depends on the outer temperature where the compressor coil breath.

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 2 2015, 09:28 AM)
I don think ice up on the cooling coil will bring any positive effect to the cooling. Freezing will block the fin hence air cannot enter the cooling coil, effectively you are losing cooling capacity of the freezing portion.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 2 2015, 07:48 AM)
Pana inverter from 1-1.5hp still much slower than others, if compare to Daikin GA inverter.

Nowadays most non inverter were packaged with new gas R410a should be same amount of cooling with inverter model, just without comfort level, due to on & off after the temp. reaching, but inverter will reduce the compressor rpm speed n fan speed too.

Anyway my friend still told me the fan aluminum coil is the most important to keep cold.

Some like slighly higher fan n noisy but not cold as fast.
Some like quiet and feel like no wind noisy but the cooling amount is slighly higher than noisy design.

Due to aluminum coil thickness was slighly thicker than others.

To compare from ME Starmex design was quiet operate but the cooling amount is slighly stronger than Pana factory setting for must be at least use 2 stop fan speed then can be feel the strong cold air n cooling amount, but the noise wise for sure is noisy.
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Other than Panasonic and Daikin GA which other manufacturer package their non-inverter models with R410a? ME & MHI?

I know Sharp, LG, Electrolux, Midea, Hisense, Samsung don't have as of now. Their non-inverters are still on R22. So who is the "MOST" you talking about here?
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 2 2015, 10:43 AM)
Other than Panasonic and Daikin GA which other manufacturer package their non-inverter models with R410a? ME & MHI?

I know Sharp, LG, Electrolux, Midea, Hisense, Samsung don't have as of now. Their non-inverters are still on R22. So who is the "MOST" you talking about here?
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ME non inverter R410a deluxe is quite ok one.
The most better than the rest brand.

Cause for 1hp just 750w only and also marks at 5 bintang too.

Just don't go for standard model of ME r410a only

Anyways ME mr slim design for easy clean function to allow for clean out internal fan blower as you needs

If you free just visit Aircon shop for who carry the ME model and then just compare to others brand.

For sure you will like their design at all.
Also look up the fan coil and design unlike others too fine already.

ME front cover also used better grade of ABS, unlike Pana very thin only.

Once come to installation, please make sure the contractor use drill n screw in the wall plate.

Do not use hammer & nails can be easy damage the wall bracket plate shape n create cracking sound.

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Finally changed my bedroom aircon over the weekend to the Panasonic Inverter 1HP aircon.

After the installer left, I only noticed the outdoor unit, the piping wasn't fully insulated. there was about 5cm of exposed copper pipe and a visible green cable (ground?) from the compressor.

After using the aircon for a while, I notice some dew or water droplets are forming on the exposed copper pipes.

Any impact on the aircon or energy wastage?

Should I call those installer back to fully insulate the exposed part? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jul 2 2015, 11:32 AM)
Finally changed my bedroom aircon over the weekend to the Panasonic Inverter 1HP aircon.

After the installer left, I only noticed the outdoor unit, the piping wasn't fully insulated.  there was about 5cm of exposed copper pipe and a visible green cable (ground?) from the compressor.

After using the aircon for a while, I notice some dew or water droplets are forming on the exposed copper pipes.

Any impact on the aircon or energy wastage?

Should I call those installer back to fully insulate the exposed part? hmm.gif
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Copper at outdoor expose on direct sun, meant not as good lah, cause can easily turn like 10 yrs old copper condition

From the water droplet down on copper pipes was very common, if not the condenser bottom plate doesn't have drain discharge hole.
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Need help.

I have a new house under reno. I bought non inverter Panasonic deluxe R410a 1HP aircond. So when contractor ask me whether its inverter type, I told him no. Then now He is saying the pipe already pull for non inverter type, so cannot use R410a, but he can fill R22 gas to fill into my aircond which is supposed to use R410a.

Can this be done??
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QUOTE(Benster124 @ Jul 2 2015, 05:40 PM)
Need help.

I have a new house under reno. I bought non inverter Panasonic deluxe R410a 1HP aircond. So when contractor ask me whether its inverter type, I told him no. Then now He is saying the pipe already pull for non inverter type, so cannot use R410a, but he can fill R22 gas to fill into my aircond which is supposed to use R410a.

Can this be done??
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Warranty void the compressor at all.

Gas is the most important to let the compressor runs, now you wanna kills the compressor wow.

The concealed Cooper pipe still able to used, just do with proper way for installation only.

Make sure you engage experience contractor will do the good job.
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QUOTE(Benster124 @ Jul 2 2015, 05:40 PM)
Need help.

I have a new house under reno. I bought non inverter Panasonic deluxe R410a 1HP aircond. So when contractor ask me whether its inverter type, I told him no. Then now He is saying the pipe already pull for non inverter type, so cannot use R410a, but he can fill R22 gas to fill into my aircond which is supposed to use R410a.

Can this be done??
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Your contractor is a noob, not professional and totally irresponsible. You better double triple check his work. All the best to you.


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The Copper thickness is control the high pressure for cooling faster, also prevent for gas leaked.

Lesser thickness sure as non inverter usually they used 0.51mm or 0.57mm we unsure it of copper thickness for most important thing was the bending portion or flare nuts slighly out of degree then the pressure can be leak from the nuts lock position.

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http://singapore-aircon-materials.blogspot...3/gfdg.html?m=1
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Hi sifus, any recommended aircon for my living room? Approx 500sqft and use for 10hrs/week only. Should I get inverter/ non inverter?
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QUOTE(angelcdb @ Jul 3 2015, 10:18 AM)
Hi sifus, any recommended aircon for my living room? Approx 500sqft and use for 10hrs/week only. Should I get inverter/ non inverter?
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500 sq ft is consider bigger area..

Either you should install 2 unit of 1.5hp non inverter, but make sure the gas is R410a for save in future trouble n gas issue

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 3 2015, 11:12 AM)
500 sq ft is consider bigger area..

Either you should install 2 unit of 1.5hp non inverter, but make sure the gas is R410a for save in future trouble n gas issue
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yeah the space is quite big cuz I didnt divide the dining room and dry kitchen area...
Can i just get a 2.0hp non inverter? just can install 1 aircon only...
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QUOTE(angelcdb @ Jul 3 2015, 12:32 PM)
yeah the space is quite big cuz I didnt divide the dining room and dry kitchen area...
Can i just get a 2.0hp non inverter? just can install 1 aircon only...
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Of coz 2hp will be ok, but just facing direct to sofa area will do
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Of coz 2hp will be ok, but just facing direct to sofa area will do
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QUOTE(angelcdb @ Jul 3 2015, 12:43 PM)
Thanks for the advice. Any nice 2.0hp aircon brand/model you can suggest for me? inverter and non inverter will do the same right?
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Daikin Ga cooling King R410a is a best
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Inverter power saving is too much hype adi...for bedroom, buy inverter for comfort, becos less temperature variation. For power saving, honestly not really that much.
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I can confirm savings of 50% from non inverter to Inverter

Here my bill (Operation time Daily 7PM to 8AM)

Non Inverter (Panasonic Envio 1hp) set at 25deg: RM240

Inverter (Panasonic i-AutoX Inverter 1hp) set at 23deg : RM140

Total Savings of RM100

Other electrical unit running at home

1: Aquarium Chiller 1/10hp on 4ft tank set at 27deg
2: Aquarium light 4xT5 operation daily 11am to 11pm
3: Fridge (Mitsubishi) 24hr x 7 x all year round
4: Ceramic stove and HOB (Weekends only)
5: Water heater with pump (daily 2-4 times usage)
6: Cordless VAC - DC62


So yeah 50% savings maybe more...

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 3 2015, 01:10 PM)
I can confirm savings of 50% from non inverter to Inverter

Here my bill (Operation time Daily 7PM to 8AM)

Non Inverter (Panasonic Envio 1hp) set at 25deg: RM240

Inverter (Panasonic i-AutoX Inverter 1hp) set at 23deg : RM140

Total Savings of RM100

Other electrical unit running at home

1: Aquarium Chiller 1/10hp on 4ft tank set at 27deg
2: Aquarium light 4xT5 operation daily 11am to 11pm
3: Fridge (Mitsubishi) 24hr x 7 x all year round
4: Ceramic stove and HOB (Weekends only)
5: Water heater with pump (daily 2-4 times usage)
6: Cordless VAC - DC62
So yeah 50% savings maybe more...
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Im contemplating changing to inverter also as my normal Daikin ac (2hp and 1hp) contributes to ard RM300 bill.

The RM240/RM140 is actual bill rite? Not just from the AC..
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Im contemplating changing to inverter also as my normal Daikin ac (2hp and 1hp) contributes to ard RM300 bill.

The RM240/RM140 is actual bill rite?  Not just from the AC..
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 3 2015, 01:10 PM)
I can confirm savings of 50% from non inverter to Inverter

Here my bill (Operation time Daily 7PM to 8AM)

Non Inverter (Panasonic Envio 1hp) set at 25deg: RM240

Inverter (Panasonic i-AutoX Inverter 1hp) set at 23deg : RM140

Total Savings of RM100

Other electrical unit running at home

1: Aquarium Chiller 1/10hp on 4ft tank set at 27deg
2: Aquarium light 4xT5 operation daily 11am to 11pm
3: Fridge (Mitsubishi) 24hr x 7 x all year round
4: Ceramic stove and HOB (Weekends only)
5: Water heater with pump (daily 2-4 times usage)
6: Cordless VAC - DC62
So yeah 50% savings maybe more...
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Usage pattern quite similar to mine, in excess of 10 hours. And yes, Panasonic Inverter have to set lower temperature setting versus non-inverter air con. Your findings is same as mine.

Do you feel any difference in terms of how fast the room cools down from when you turn it on?

QUOTE(nanan75 @ Jul 3 2015, 02:55 PM)
Im contemplating changing to inverter also as my normal Daikin ac (2hp and 1hp) contributes to ard RM300 bill.

The RM240/RM140 is actual bill rite?  Not just from the AC..
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Take into consideration that he on the air con in excess of 10 hours.. if 2 hours only, don't expect to see huge difference.
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 3 2015, 09:52 PM)
Usage pattern quite similar to mine, in excess of 10 hours. And yes, Panasonic Inverter have to set lower temperature setting versus non-inverter air con. Your findings is same as mine.

Do you feel any difference in terms of how fast the room cools down from when you turn it on?
Take into consideration that he on the air con in excess of 10 hours.. if 2 hours only, don't expect to see huge difference.
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I guess not only Panasonic aircond, basically all inverter have to set lower temp versus non-inverter in order to 'feel' the same coldness, not becos inverter is less colder, just that the non-inverter cut off point is lower than what u set. In non inverter, if u set 25'C, it might cut off @ 23'C, and turn ON again when rise to 27'C, so the 'average' temp is what u set, 25'C.

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 3 2015, 10:02 PM)
I guess not only Panasonic aircond, basically all inverter have to set lower temp versus non-inverter in order to get the same coldness, not becos inverter is less colder, just that the non-inverter cut off point is lower than what u set. In non inverter, if u set 25'C, it might cut off @ 23'C, and turn ON again when rise to 27'C, so the 'average' temp is what u set, 25'C.
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Agreed.
But I can also attest to my personal experience that Panasonic Inverter is terrible in coldness in comparison to Daikin non-GA Inverter. Same room, same 1HP.

I was so pissed off I wanted to rip the Panasonic Inverter off the wall and throw it out the window.

My mom also say...why this air con so hot. lol.
The other Panasonic and National non-inverter in the house is cold.


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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 3 2015, 10:05 PM)
Agreed.
But I can also attest to my personal experience that Panasonic Inverter is terrible in coldness in comparison to Daikin non-GA Inverter. Same room, same 1HP.

I was so pissed off I wanted to rip the Panasonic Inverter off the wall and throw it out the window.

My mom also say...why this air con so hot. lol.
The other Panasonic and National non-inverter in the house is cold.
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That's why they boast 65% of savings whistling.gif

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 3 2015, 09:52 PM)
Usage pattern quite similar to mine, in excess of 10 hours. And yes, Panasonic Inverter have to set lower temperature setting versus non-inverter air con. Your findings is same as mine.

Do you feel any difference in terms of how fast the room cools down from when you turn it on?
Take into consideration that he on the air con in excess of 10 hours.. if 2 hours only, don't expect to see huge difference.
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Why i set mine to 23deg is cause i use econavi

If you read the manual the ac will run at 23deg and when low sunlight temp increase by 1deg and when you sleep low activity it will increase another 1deg so total when sleep it will increase to 25deg but before sleep it around 23 to 24deg

Want fast cooling turn on iautoX it is so called turbo mode
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 4 2015, 11:55 AM)
Why i set mine to 23deg is cause i use econavi

If you read the manual the ac will run at 23deg and when low sunlight temp increase by 1deg and when you sleep low activity it will increase another 1deg so total when sleep it will increase to 25deg but before sleep it around 23 to 24deg

Want fast cooling turn on iautoX it is so called turbo mode
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Are you trying to says that most of the people never read the manual properly whistling.gif
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Are you trying to says that most of the people never read the manual properly whistling.gif
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Most of them YES

Cause most dont bother
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kimsim, how did you put power socket in your aircon? I wanna hide the cable power.if put outside it will be exposed to rain. like this look ugly if we can see cable

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Most of them YES

Cause most dont bother
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Well, at least the Samseng fanboy able to troll on this matter and blaming Panasonic inverters are rubbish to promote his Mitsubishi shocking.gif
That's the common mistake done by people all the time.
But without reading the manual also can roughly knows how does inverter work, like if we set 20°C for a 28°C room, the first 2-3 hours it will just run to the max like non inverter. But as soon as it is reaching 22°C, it will starts to ramp down the output based on people inside(this is where the sensor matters). Some people are quite sensitive on this and starting to complaint it is not cold.
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i want something like this neat without cable

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kimsim, how did you put power socket in your aircon? I wanna hide the cable power.if put outside it will be exposed to rain.
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you meant for outdoor unit?

usually they using it type of power socket on off with cover
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dont put inside wow, later you might headache for serving and also may reduce airflow on top for fcu less than 100mm height drool.gif
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dont put inside wow, later you might headache for serving and also may reduce airflow on top for fcu less than 100mm height  drool.gif
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 3 2015, 01:10 PM)
I can confirm savings of 50% from non inverter to Inverter

Here my bill (Operation time Daily 7PM to 8AM)

Non Inverter (Panasonic Envio 1hp) set at 25deg: RM240

Inverter (Panasonic i-AutoX Inverter 1hp) set at 23deg : RM140

Total Savings of RM100

Other electrical unit running at home

1: Aquarium Chiller 1/10hp on 4ft tank set at 27deg
2: Aquarium light 4xT5 operation daily 11am to 11pm
3: Fridge (Mitsubishi) 24hr x 7 x all year round
4: Ceramic stove and HOB (Weekends only)
5: Water heater with pump (daily 2-4 times usage)
6: Cordless VAC - DC62
So yeah 50% savings maybe more...
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Similar experience as you. Significant reduction in electricity usage (kwh), hence lower payment every month. I've 3 1hp inverter ac that runs 9-10 hrs a day. Average bill - RM300


QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 4 2015, 11:55 AM)
Why i set mine to 23deg is cause i use econavi

If you read the manual the ac will run at 23deg and when low sunlight temp increase by 1deg and when you sleep low activity it will increase another 1deg so total when sleep it will increase to 25deg but before sleep it around 23 to 24deg

Want fast cooling turn on iautoX it is so called turbo mode
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I'm using Panasonic as well. Do read the manual to get the best out of it... thumbup.gif


QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 4 2015, 04:13 PM)
Well, at least the Samseng fanboy able to troll on this matter and blaming Panasonic inverters are rubbish to promote his Mitsubishi shocking.gif
That's the common mistake done by people all the time.
But without reading the manual also can roughly knows how does inverter work, like if we set 20°C for a 28°C room, the first 2-3 hours it will just run to the max like non inverter. But as soon as it is reaching 22°C, it will starts to ramp down the output based on people inside(this is where the sensor matters). Some people are quite sensitive on this and starting to complaint it is not cold.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 4 2015, 04:22 PM)
you meant for outdoor unit?

usually they using it type of power socket on off with cover
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i thought outdoor no need power socket one?
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QUOTE(haturaya @ Jul 4 2015, 04:44 PM)
Similar experience as you. Significant reduction in electricity usage (kwh), hence lower payment every month. I've 3 1hp inverter ac that runs 9-10 hrs a day. Average bill - RM300
I'm using Panasonic as well. Do read the manual to get the best out of it... thumbup.gif
Agree  thumbup.gif
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I never use inverter, that's why never dig on this. But indeed this is an eye opener for all laugh.gif
Anyway, York/Daikin will make a come back within a month or 2, so just wait and see thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 4 2015, 04:35 PM)
how about this?
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Back to back usually can't see the wiring or power socket on wall.

But if concealed only, otherwise outdoor got many wires too
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 4 2015, 05:08 PM)
Back to back usually can't see the wiring or power socket on wall.

But if concealed only, otherwise outdoor got many wires too
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yes back to back. but why my electrician put power socket near outdoor aircon outside liao? later rain how
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 4 2015, 05:12 PM)
yes back to back. but why my electrician put power socket near outdoor aircon outside liao? later rain how
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Put somewhere loh, just located longer wire to kitchen or back yard.
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 4 2015, 11:55 AM)
Why i set mine to 23deg is cause i use econavi

If you read the manual the ac will run at 23deg and when low sunlight temp increase by 1deg and when you sleep low activity it will increase another 1deg so total when sleep it will increase to 25deg but before sleep it around 23 to 24deg

Want fast cooling turn on iautoX it is so called turbo mode
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That's if you enable Econavi mode. I don't use Econavi and its still not as cool as other air cons.

Some people don't have the air con and have absolutely no clue what we're talking about. rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 4 2015, 07:40 PM)
That's if you enable Econavi mode. I don't use Econavi and its still not as cool as other air cons.

Some people don't have the air con and have absolutely no clue what we're talking about.  rolleyes.gif
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Do u guys actually test out which mode is the have the best saving? Haha.. i currently running my 1.5hp pana without any mode.. and do u guys turn off power when the nanoeg led still active even though u off it?
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 4 2015, 07:40 PM)
That's if you enable Econavi mode. I don't use Econavi and its still not as cool as other air cons.

Some people don't have the air con and have absolutely no clue what we're talking about.  rolleyes.gif
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I use econavi for comfort... I used to play pc games till quiye late sometime 3-4am... Old non inverter aircon i can feel my leg become very cold and chill as my body temperature lower and my activity is low... When i switch to inverter i play around with the functions... Found out when i set econavi on and play game to late night i feel comfortable... I dont feel the sudden leg chill as it increase the temp a little to compensate low activity and i feel more comfortable... Maybee you prefer very cold aircon but i have sinus case since young and i just need aircon to make me comfortable enough to sleep i cannot take too cold temp... So 25deg is jusyjust nice
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QUOTE(kb24 @ Jul 4 2015, 11:14 PM)
Do u guys actually test out which mode is the have the best saving? Haha.. i currently running my 1.5hp pana without any mode.. and do u guys turn off power when the nanoeg led still active even though u off it?
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Nanoe light on after your unit off indicating the unit is cleaning the ac filter... Do not turn off the main switch leave it run for another 1hr or 2 so your condencer fin is dry and clean from virus and mould...

See proove my case GO READ THE MANUAL!
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 4 2015, 07:40 PM)
That's if you enable Econavi mode. I don't use Econavi and its still not as cool as other air cons.

Some people don't have the air con and have absolutely no clue what we're talking about.  rolleyes.gif
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Use iautoX mode for fast cooling... Also know that inverter temp is more accurate vs non inverter... So set 1 or 2 deg lower in inverter and still give you 50% savings... Ignore what the remote temp setting just set the number that give you the best comfort... Its just number... Hahaha... I found out my prefer temp setting is

Econavi ON, 23deg, fan full blast, fin in auto, dimmer ON, nanoe ON

iAutoX ON, 25deg, rest all Auto

Comfort Mode ON, 23deg, fan full blast, fin in auto, dimmer ON, nanoe on
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 5 2015, 12:41 AM)
Use iautoX mode for fast cooling... Also know that inverter temp is more accurate vs non inverter...  So set 1 or 2 deg lower in inverter and still give you 50% savings...  Ignore what the remote temp setting just set the number that give you the best comfort...  Its just number... Hahaha...  I found out my prefer temp setting is

Econavi ON,  23deg, fan full blast,  fin in auto,  dimmer ON,  nanoe ON

iAutoX ON,  25deg,  rest all Auto

Comfort Mode ON,  23deg, fan full blast,  fin in auto,  dimmer ON,  nanoe on
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Seems like ur Pana Inverter got alot of functions to play with, my farking ME inverter just some plain basic fucntion. whistling.gif
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Seems like ur Pana Inverter got alot of functions to play with, my farking ME inverter just some plain basic fucntion. whistling.gif
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Depend my ME non inverter has lots of function too... Read the manual

Or maybee i usually buy the top of the range model...
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Depend my ME non inverter has lots of function too...  Read the manual

Or maybee i usually buy the top of the range model...
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Use iautoX mode for fast cooling... Also know that inverter temp is more accurate vs non inverter...  So set 1 or 2 deg lower in inverter and still give you 50% savings...  Ignore what the remote temp setting just set the number that give you the best comfort...  Its just number... Hahaha...  I found out my prefer temp setting is

Econavi ON,  23deg, fan full blast,  fin in auto,  dimmer ON,  nanoe ON

iAutoX ON,  25deg,  rest all Auto

Comfort Mode ON,  23deg, fan full blast,  fin in auto,  dimmer ON,  nanoe on
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Mine slightly older model than yours, no iAutoX function. I just know turn on air con, set 23C and turn on powerful mode, still not as powerful as York Cooling King L. rclxm9.gif
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Mine slightly older model than yours, no iAutoX function. I just know turn on air con, set 23C and turn on powerful mode, still not as powerful as York Cooling King L.  rclxm9.gif
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Panasonic the only winning point to other brands are they are quiet compare to other brands.
Even my 2HP non inverter when blower set to low also will be very quiet.
The price for this will be you may feel it is slower in terms on cooling performance.
That's why choosing the right HP for your room matters.
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Nanoe light on after your unit off indicating the unit is cleaning the ac filter...  Do not turn off the main switch leave it run for another 1hr or 2 so your condencer fin is dry and clean from virus and mould...

See proove my case GO READ THE MANUAL!
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Haha.. i do read the manual, but the problem is when i turn off aircon and want to go for work, i usually will switch off and unplug (my habit).. but due to this nanoe stuff, i cannot power off it and have to wait 2hours.. so normally if i see the nanoe turn on when i off, i will restart the aircon and off it again.. the nanoe will off. It seem like nanoe will automatic perform the cleaning after 2 or 3 times of usage
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Haha.. i do read the manual, but the problem is when i turn off aircon and want to go for work, i usually will switch off and unplug (my habit).. but due to this nanoe stuff, i cannot power off it and have to wait 2hours.. so normally if i see the nanoe turn on when i off, i will restart the aircon and off it again.. the nanoe will off. It seem like nanoe will automatic perform the cleaning after 2 or 3 times of usage
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If you know that and won't on & off from main switch power socket, once the high power wattage hit in may cause the PCB life of damage in shorten.

Each Aircon design should have standby mode for quickly turn on compressor less than 5 second of relay.

Unless you never usage for a month then turn off for saving standby energy should be ok.
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Haha.. i do read the manual, but the problem is when i turn off aircon and want to go for work, i usually will switch off and unplug (my habit).. but due to this nanoe stuff, i cannot power off it and have to wait 2hours.. so normally if i see the nanoe turn on when i off, i will restart the aircon and off it again.. the nanoe will off. It seem like nanoe will automatic perform the cleaning after 2 or 3 times of usage
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Depend how dirty the heat exchanger is... (Condenser unit) if it is wet and dirty nanoe will activate... just leave it plug in laa will not consume much on standby maybee you loose RM0.50 perday on standby...

Leave it to clean else got mould and bacteria smell... yuck...
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 5 2015, 02:56 PM)
Mine slightly older model than yours, no iAutoX function. I just know turn on air con, set 23C and turn on powerful mode, still not as powerful as York Cooling King L.  rclxm9.gif
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York cooling king has higher consumption cause Compressor bigger... but dont like the quality... degrade very fast after 2yrs of use...

if not wrong Panasonic is the 2nd lowest power consumption for the compressor the first is LG if not mistaken... maybe this effect the cooling capacity as naturally compressor is smaller compare to the rest...



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York cooling king has higher consumption cause Compressor bigger... but dont like the quality... degrade very fast after 2yrs of use...

if not wrong Panasonic is the 2nd lowest power consumption for the compressor the first is LG if not mistaken... maybe this effect the cooling capacity as naturally compressor is smaller compare to the rest...
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Simply said, Pana cooling capacity is lower primarily due to cut cost, period.

Cooling quality is not solely depends on compressor, it also depends on the quality of the condenser, cooling coil, arrangement/density of the fin, with the latter component is much more important in cooling role than the compressor alone.
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Simply said, Pana cooling capacity is lower primarily due to cut cost, period.

Cooling quality is not solely depends on compressor, it also depends on the quality of the condenser, cooling coil, arrangement/density of the fin, with the latter component is much more important in cooling role than the compressor alone.
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Cant make everyone happy...

I dont think its cost cutting... since they did provide quite alot of features... more like business decision

You need to find balance between comfort and power usage and each manufacturer has different approach...

like car... some go for downsizing turbo (which is a trend) some put in Hybrid.... some decided to go with Lighter car and chasis...


for AC... you get this

1: Inverter technology...
2: Putting more sensor to help make intelligence decision to optimise power savings
3: The balance between compressor capacity (how big or how small) there is a formula but I'll leave this shit out

For Panasonic not bad actually Compressor is smaller and I get one of the most efficient AC compare to other inverter... the winner being LG but then its korean brand...

Sacrifice comfort... not really once I turn it on maybee it take 1min more to cool the room vs others but once stable it is pretty quiet and consistent on keeping everyone comfort... and the sensor really help...

Sacrifice some comfort for electricity savings...I can live with that...

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Cant make everyone happy...

I dont think its cost cutting... since they did provide quite alot of features... more like business decision

You need to find balance between comfort and power usage and each manufacturer has different approach...

like car... some go for downsizing turbo (which is a trend) some put in Hybrid.... some decided to go with Lighter car and chasis...
for AC... you get this

1: Inverter technology...
2: Putting more sensor to help make intelligence decision to optimise power savings
3: The balance between compressor capacity (how big or how small) there is a formula but I'll leave this shit out

For Panasonic not bad actually Compressor is smaller and I get one of the most efficient AC compare to other inverter... the winner being LG but then its korean brand...

Sacrifice comfort... not really once I turn it on maybee it take 1min more to cool the room vs others but once stable it is pretty quiet and consistent on keeping everyone comfort... and the sensor really help...

Sacrifice some comfort for electricity savings...I can live with that...
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Sensors, electronic parts price are far more lower (can be negligible) than the mechanical parts (cooling coil, condenser fin) in an aircond. Remember, in an electrical appliances, plastic parts (which mostly made by crude oil) and all other mechanical parts (especially aircond which use alot of aluminiums in the construction) material cost are far more higher than the electronic part. In an aircond, the estimated BOM cost for electronic vs non electronic = 10% vs 90%, you weight yourself. But the appearance to the customer will be those 'high tech electronic features', that's why they need to include to impress ppl, in fact, those added features cost is almost negligible, just using 1 or 2 extra sensor and few software algorithm to achieve it, is almost free for them.

From your point of view, they sacrifice some comfort for electricity saving, but from the point of view of Pana, they sacrifice comfort for lower material cost, that's the fact, the electricity saving is just a 'by product' of their cut cost activity. Sorry if it sound offended, but naturally i don't have good impression on Pana product, becos i was a R&D electronic engineer in Pana for 5 years before, cut cost was their philosophy, especially now after they faced a huge deficit in their finance globally in year 2013, cut cost is their 1st priority, cost down or terminate business, and this is part of the reason i left the company.
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Sensors, electronic parts price are far more lower (can be negligible) than the mechanical parts (cooling coil, condenser fin) in an aircond. Remember, in an electrical appliances, plastic parts (which mostly made by crude oil) and all other mechanical parts (especially aircond which use alot of aluminiums in the construction) material cost are far more higher than the electronic part. In an aircond, the estimated BOM cost for electronic vs non electronic = 10% vs 90%, you weight yourself. But the appearance to the customer will be those 'high tech electronic features', that's why they need to include to impress ppl, in fact, those added features cost is almost negligible, just using 1 or 2 extra sensor and few software algorithm to achieve it, is almost free for them.

From your point of view, they sacrifice some comfort for electricity saving, but from the point of view of Pana, they sacrifice comfort for lower material cost, that's the fact, the electricity saving is just a 'by product' of their cut cost activity. Sorry if it sound offended, but naturally i don't have good impression on Pana product, becos i was a R&D electronic engineer in Pana for 5 years before, cut cost was their philosophy, especially now after they faced a huge deficit in their finance globally in year 2013, cut cost is their 1st priority, cost down or terminate business, and this is part of the reason i left the company.
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Everywhere there is cost cutting... nothing can be done about it....

Believe other manufacturer did the same shit... just that you are working for pana and you get the 1st hand view...

well at least spare parts are cheap...
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 6 2015, 01:43 PM)
Sensors, electronic parts price are far more lower (can be negligible) than the mechanical parts (cooling coil, condenser fin) in an aircond. Remember, in an electrical appliances, plastic parts (which mostly made by crude oil) and all other mechanical parts (especially aircond which use alot of aluminiums in the construction) material cost are far more higher than the electronic part. In an aircond, the estimated BOM cost for electronic vs non electronic = 10% vs 90%, you weight yourself. But the appearance to the customer will be those 'high tech electronic features', that's why they need to include to impress ppl, in fact, those added features cost is almost negligible, just using 1 or 2 extra sensor and few software algorithm to achieve it, is almost free for them.

From your point of view, they sacrifice some comfort for electricity saving, but from the point of view of Pana, they sacrifice comfort for lower material cost, that's the fact, the electricity saving is just a 'by product' of their cut cost activity. Sorry if it sound offended, but naturally i don't have good impression on Pana product, becos i was a R&D electronic engineer in Pana for 5 years before, cut cost was their philosophy, especially now after they faced a huge deficit in their finance globally in year 2013, cut cost is their 1st priority, cost down or terminate business, and this is part of the reason i left the company.
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Nowadays of the thing has been cutting cost.

Just talk about ME Starmex M'sia bring in Indonesia models for standard inverter model for save cost.

Even Daikin GA as well.

Unlike S'pore still remain the better grade Starmex model.
Just the price slighly different only
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Yes, all manufacturer nowadays cost cutting, this is what the consumer need to know and understand rather than reject the fact due to alot of fancy features included.

Don't naive to believe those manufacturer will care for your electricity bill. They actually can make it more power saving by introduce a larger surface condenser, cooling coil, use higher grade aluminium fin, more fin per area and so on, rather than using smaller compressor motor.
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no wonder both my Panasonic airconds breakdown and gave me problems. no more Panasonic airconds for me. twice bitten forever shy.
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Yes, all manufacturer nowadays cost cutting, this is what the consumer need to know and understand rather than reject the fact due to alot of fancy features included.

Don't naive to believe those manufacturer will care for your electricity bill. They actually can make it more power saving by introduce a larger surface condenser, cooling coil, use higher grade aluminium fin, more fin per area and so on, rather than using smaller compressor motor.
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I had tried to saying b4, but no used in here, especially moderator in Aircon talks

That is why I bought 2nd hand used Aircon from s'pore at least no cutting cost

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no wonder both my Panasonic airconds breakdown and gave me problems. no more Panasonic airconds for me. twice bitten forever shy.
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Which model u bought? i'm planning to buy panasonic inverter aircon also
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Which model u bought? i'm planning to buy panasonic inverter aircon also
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one was the first generation Panasonic aircond with ionizer back in 2001 and another was just 2 years ago. deluxe non inverter with econavi. for both, i spent close to 1k on repairs. enough to buy me another aircond. but what cheese me off is the poor technical support these days once ur aircond is over 1 year old. Panasonic gives u numbers to call and arrange yourself third party to come to repair. first number that i called, told me they're full for the next 3 weeks! second number that i called told me they don't service my area! wtf. i had to call back Panasonic and then they gave me two more numbers to call. 'fantastic' service

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2011 or 2001? if 2001 then the aircon consider very good d, can last so long
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2011 or 2001? if 2001 then the aircon consider very good d, can last so long
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the first one spoilt within 3 years. pcb spoilt, fan motor spoilt, louvre side connector to swing motor broke- cannot swing because of that. hardly used some more. i don't know what happened to it after that cos i sold my condo already. the one bought 2 years ago, already had problem when installed! and just two months ago, gave problem again. cos me a bomb to repair and some more had to wait 4 days.


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wow.if cost cutting also sold expensively.might try hi sense. at least if broke down it is cheap and better customer service since less customers to handle
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Sorry to say, Pana and Sharp were the struggling company at the moment, especially Pana, the group is too huge, they step into too many sectors. But ask yourself, which area/sector Pana is the no.1 now? Heater? We know Joven and Alpha. Washer? We know Electrolux. Display? You know Sony, Sharp, Samsung. Fridge? We know sharp, Toshiba, LG. I only can name Panasonic in my 1st mind for ceiling fan (although alot of complaint for their remote and Bayu series) and stand fan, what else? It present in all categories, but the performance is not outstanding, and the price is premium. Until now you already can guess why Pana group record a highest financial lost in year 2013 since the Matsushita group established. Pana can survive today is mainly due to the strong foundation built by 'National' brand during 1980'-2000' era in Asia region. Reliability basically buried together with the National brand already. My father was the one who strongly support this brand during that time, that's why my hometown now still consist a 30 years old National 1HP aircond, 33 years old National fridge, 35 years old National Cassette Radio, 20 years National heater, almost 40 years National rice cooker and all these items were still perform the daily job well (Except aircond rarely open).

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Should be Pana fully imported from Japan of fridge & combo washer should be much durable than local & Thailand with China made
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wow.if cost cutting also sold expensively.might try hi sense. at least if broke down it is cheap and better customer service since less customers to handle
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Many won't buy China brand because of 'face' problem, ppl will feel u are cheap skate if you use China brand, same applies to why many like to buy the conservative VIOS over Proton although VIOS use the same engine and gear box for decades while Proton give you much more high tech features with alot of lower price. You can see now alot of Japanese brand electric appliances like to put the sticker 'Japan quality', 'R&D in Japan'...this does not applied to old era appliances. Because in fact they know they don't have quality anymore nowadays, and quality is the foundation and main reason ppl support Japan brand, so they put the sticker to remind you that 'Japan things are good quality'.
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 6 2015, 10:14 AM)
York cooling king has higher consumption cause Compressor bigger... but dont like the quality... degrade very fast after 2yrs of use...

if not wrong Panasonic is the 2nd lowest power consumption for the compressor the first is LG if not mistaken... maybe this effect the cooling capacity as naturally compressor is smaller compare to the rest...
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I think the Panasonic Inverter has power savings due to the way the Econavi and the air con is programmed.... Without a doubt, the power saving works. Just not cold enough for me.


QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 6 2015, 10:32 AM)
Simply said, Pana cooling capacity is lower primarily due to cut cost, period.

Cooling quality is not solely depends on compressor, it also depends on the quality of the condenser, cooling coil, arrangement/density of the fin, with the latter component is much more important in cooling role than the compressor alone.
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False. Panasonic non-inverter air con still very cool.


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Which model u bought? i'm planning to buy panasonic inverter aircon also
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What's your priority? Power consumption or cooling?
If you are more concerned about power savings than cooling, then buy Panasonic great choice.
If you are more concerned about cooling than power savings, then buy the Daikin GA inverter.

But if you are concerned about power, use fan lah...

QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 6 2015, 10:16 PM)
Sorry to say, Pana and Sharp were the struggling company at the moment, especially Pana, the group is too huge, they step into too many sectors. But ask yourself, which area/sector Pana is the no.1 now? Heater? We know Joven and Alpha. Washer? We know Electrolux. Display? You know Sony, Sharp, Samsung. Fridge? We know sharp, Toshiba, LG. I only can name Panasonic in my 1st mind for ceiling fan (although alot of complaint for their remote and Bayu series) and stand fan, what else? It present in all categories, but the performance is not outstanding, and the price is premium. Until now you already can guess why Pana group record a highest financial lost in year 2013 since the Matsushita group established. Pana can survive today is mainly due to the strong foundation built by 'National' brand during 1980'-2000' era in Asia region. Reliability basically buried together with the National brand already. My father was the one who strongly support this brand during that time, that's why my hometown now still consist a 30 years old National 1HP aircond, 33 years old National fridge, 35 years old National Cassette Radio, 20 years National heater, almost 40 years National rice cooker and all these items were still perform the daily job well (Except aircond rarely open).
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I just bought Panasonic water heater, and a Rubine water heater at the same time. Without a doubt Panasonic is better quality and better constructed (need to remove cover to install). You can see the internals yourself.

And I also bought a Panasonic Inverter fridge last year. Power saving was evident as well.

I will definitely recommend Panasonic for non-inverter air conditioner, since they have R410a ones and not overly expensive. The National 1HP and Panasonic 1.5HP i have is super cold.

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 6 2015, 11:03 PM)
I think the Panasonic Inverter has power savings due to the way the Econavi and the air con is programmed.... Without a doubt, the power saving works. Just not cold enough for me.
False. Panasonic non-inverter air con still very cool.
What's your priority? Power consumption or cooling?
If you are more concerned about power savings than cooling, then buy Panasonic great choice.
If you are more concerned about cooling than power savings, then buy the Daikin GA inverter.

But if you are concerned about power, use fan lah...
I just bought Panasonic water heater, and a Rubine water heater at the same time. Without a doubt Panasonic is better quality and better constructed (need to remove cover to install). You can see the internals yourself.

And I also bought a Panasonic Inverter fridge last year. Power saving was evident as well.

I will definitely recommend Panasonic for non-inverter air conditioner, since they have R410a ones and not overly expensive. The National 1HP and Panasonic 1.5HP i have is super cold.
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Buy inverter sure because of power saving feature. Now latest inverter aircon no need 7-8hours in order to save energy?

Fan sure got one, impossible open aircon 24x7x365
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Buy inverter sure because of power saving feature. Now latest inverter aircon no need 7-8hours in order to save energy?

Fan sure got one, impossible open aircon 24x7x365
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fan+aircon running same time power saving liao
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QUOTE(silentsunami @ Jul 6 2015, 11:35 PM)
Buy inverter sure because of power saving feature. Now latest inverter aircon no need 7-8hours in order to save energy?

Fan sure got one, impossible open aircon 24x7x365
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Save power but not cold. What for? I'll definitely buy inverter for my usage, but not Panasonic inverters.
Of course, compared to most people, I'm damn hot. We all have different tolerance for temperature. I cannot tahan panas.

Just don't cry and say not cold after you buy Panasonic Inverter. rclxms.gif
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Save power but not cold. What for? I'll definitely buy inverter for my usage, but not Panasonic inverters.
Of course, compared to most people, I'm damn hot. We all have different tolerance for temperature. I cannot tahan panas.

Just don't cry and say not cold after you buy Panasonic Inverter.  rclxms.gif
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you must be fat bro
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Anyway if wanna cold and same setting from Pana vs Daikin Ga inverter from Daikin for sure is winner
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Anyway if wanna cold and same setting from Pana vs Daikin Ga inverter from Daikin for sure is winner
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how about daikin vs mhi vs me?

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how about daikin vs mhi vs me?
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Daikin GA still the best unlike Daikin Thailand for fan blower cannot be remove out, may dismantle the whole casing down for spray with water or chemical wash.

Even MHI to be same design too.

See how dusty for Daikin Thailand user posted image

Can be remove out for wash on each time can be save the trouble also save cost for maintenace too
Below this pic is taken from York inverter
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Save power but not cold. What for? I'll definitely buy inverter for my usage, but not Panasonic inverters.
Of course, compared to most people, I'm damn hot. We all have different tolerance for temperature. I cannot tahan panas.

Just don't cry and say not cold after you buy Panasonic Inverter.  rclxms.gif
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Which model u recommend? i havent buy yet one, shop recommend me ME and Panasonic
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one was the first generation Panasonic aircond with ionizer back in 2001 and another was just 2 years ago. deluxe non inverter with econavi. for both, i spent close to 1k on repairs. enough to buy me another aircond. but what cheese me off is the poor technical support these days once ur aircond is over 1 year old. Panasonic gives u numbers to call and arrange yourself third party to come to repair. first number that i called, told me they're full for the next 3 weeks! second number that i called told me they don't service my area! wtf. i had to call back Panasonic and then they gave me two more numbers to call. 'fantastic' service
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No warranty???

Dont know about you but mine is 5 years warranty on both Compressor and Electronics...

QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 7 2015, 02:24 AM)
Save power but not cold. What for? I'll definitely buy inverter for my usage, but not Panasonic inverters.
Of course, compared to most people, I'm damn hot. We all have different tolerance for temperature. I cannot tahan panas.

Just don't cry and say not cold after you buy Panasonic Inverter.  rclxms.gif
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The Cooling is not that bad compare others.... it is not blowing HOT air laaa... just that the cooling performance is +/- 15 min vs others thats all... not like it will not cool your room at all... if you have the latest Panasonic with iAutoX (their so called TURBO mode) it has no difference as it has a boost mode that make the compressor spin faster for a short period of time to cool it down (if not mistaken 1hr turbo) it make no difference for me unless you are using old Model laaa

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Sorry to say, Pana and Sharp were the struggling company at the moment, especially Pana, the group is too huge, they step into too many sectors. But ask yourself, which area/sector Pana is the no.1 now? Heater? We know Joven and Alpha. Washer? We know Electrolux. Display? You know Sony, Sharp, Samsung. Fridge? We know sharp, Toshiba, LG. I only can name Panasonic in my 1st mind for ceiling fan (although alot of complaint for their remote and Bayu series) and stand fan, what else? It present in all categories, but the performance is not outstanding, and the price is premium. Until now you already can guess why Pana group record a highest financial lost in year 2013 since the Matsushita group established. Pana can survive today is mainly due to the strong foundation built by 'National' brand during 1980'-2000' era in Asia region. Reliability basically buried together with the National brand already. My father was the one who strongly support this brand during that time, that's why my hometown now still consist a 30 years old National 1HP aircond, 33 years old National fridge, 35 years old National Cassette Radio, 20 years National heater, almost 40 years National rice cooker and all these items were still perform the daily job well (Except aircond rarely open).
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If you say like this you are better off with Samsung and LG this 2 company is doing exceptionally great bet they Gold plate all internals biggrin.gif

QUOTE(silentsunami @ Jul 6 2015, 11:35 PM)
Buy inverter sure because of power saving feature. Now latest inverter aircon no need 7-8hours in order to save energy?

Fan sure got one, impossible open aircon 24x7x365
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My Panasonic Inverter (iAutoX) manage to cool my room in 1 hour (max 2Hr) and start to slow down compressor and fan... I believe the energy savings start after 2Hr... vs the old Inverter.... this technology has come quite a long way...

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No warranty???

Dont know about you but mine is 5 years warranty on both Compressor and Electronics...

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standard warranty. one year for indoor unit and 5 for outdoor. Panasonic SOP now is.. once ur unit is more than 1 years old, they'll ask you to go call their contractors. looks like they outsource the repair work these days like Samsung. But Samsung at least will arrange the contractor to come repair unlike Panasonic who give you numbers and ask you to call yourself. this is bad customer service.
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standard warranty. one year for indoor unit and 5 for outdoor. Panasonic SOP now is.. once ur unit is more than 1 years old, they'll ask you to go call their contractors. looks like they outsource the repair work these days like Samsung. But Samsung at least will arrange the contractor to come repair unlike Panasonic who give you numbers and ask you to call yourself. this is bad customer service.
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My Panasonic is 5+5 (5 years compressor and 5 years Electronics) I option for additional warranty (add RM100) from SenQ

I only call SenQ contractor for all stuff cause they even work on weekend... Panasonic service tech only work on weekdays which add inconvenient for me... AL is precious hehehe...

After 5 years if kaput just throw away and get another one... doubt any modern electronics can last 10 years now...


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Yes, all manufacturer nowadays cost cutting, this is what the consumer need to know and understand rather than reject the fact due to alot of fancy features included.

Don't naive to believe those manufacturer will care for your electricity bill. They actually can make it more power saving by introduce a larger surface condenser, cooling coil, use higher grade aluminium fin, more fin per area and so on, rather than using smaller compressor motor.
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If the manufacturer doesn't do cost cutting nowadays, it can very soon close down already.

The competition is so stiff out there, a slight difference of RM10 or RM50, we can see the sales volume shift away.

Consumer want cheap item, manufacturer has to give cheap one, it is business.

Now everyone want something save electricity or so called "green", so manufacturer has to give what consumer want, if the manufacturer can't meet the marketing needs, the manufacturer will have hard time to sell the product and survive in business.

Company nowadays need to be business orientated instead of engineering mindset, sadly to say.

A sell at Rm1000
B sell at RM800.

Despite with better quality part used in A, A will find hard to sell its product in a mass volume.

I am in manufacturing line, I know the pain of using premium part that costumer may not appreciate at all.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 7 2015, 01:18 PM)
If the manufacturer doesn't do cost cutting nowadays, it can very soon close down already.

The competition is so stiff out there, a slight difference of RM10 or RM50, we can see the sales volume shift away.

Consumer want cheap item, manufacturer has to give cheap one, it is business.

Now everyone want something save electricity or so called "green", so manufacturer has to give what consumer want, if the manufacturer can't meet the marketing needs, the manufacturer will have hard time to sell the product and survive in business.

Company nowadays need to be business orientated instead of engineering mindset, sadly to say.

A sell at Rm1000
B sell at RM800.

Despite with better quality part used in A, A will find hard to sell its product in a mass volume.

I am in manufacturing line, I know the pain of using premium part that costumer may not appreciate at all.
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Not too right, nowadays like Miele & Bosch products still sales like hot cake.

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Not too right, nowadays like Miele & Bosch products still sales like hot cake.

Even the price can kills all
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Depend on what you are refering to Bosch laaa

I uses Dyson Vacuum they sell at premium and I can bet with you their technology is top there.... will you spend RM2800 for a Dyson cordless vacuum or RM500 for Electrolux cordless...

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Bosch washing machines actually quite competitively priced these days. Probably because most of them are Made in China now.
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QUOTE(wdarke @ Jul 7 2015, 04:14 PM)
Bosch washing machines actually quite competitively priced these days. Probably because most of them are Made in China now.
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Bosch made in China just a entry level only, for me I would go for Miele washer model 570 if I can.

But the selling price in SGD is $2700 wow cool
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Bosch made in China just a entry level only, for me I would go for Miele washer model 570 if I can.

But the selling price in SGD is $2700 wow cool
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You RICH bugger can laaaa

we Poor fella here also in Malaysia how many folks and afford high range brand...

Even I tell my friends my vac is a DYSON all them telling me I'm crazy to buy that hahaha

Panasonic is not a Luxury brand and their product is not target for luxury brand they are mass market product...



If you can afford a Merc S Class Good on you... but mass majority here cannot even afford a Recon C Class.... most driving Japs car or local laaa... Macam laaa all LYN here earn RM20k like you hehehe




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Want to ask. Is it possible to tap the aircon power supply from a nearby power socket? It's for a new (1HP) split unit. Cos if I were to run a new one it will be very messy.
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Want to ask. Is it possible to tap the aircon power supply from a nearby power socket? It's for a new (1HP) split unit. Cos if I were to run a new one it will be very messy.
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Want to ask. Is it possible to tap the aircon power supply from a nearby power socket? It's for a new (1HP) split unit. Cos if I were to run a new one it will be very messy.
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Can provided the socket come from 1 single fuse... make sure the socket is not shared internally (Wire not split into few socket)
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Can provided the socket come from 1 single fuse... make sure the socket is not shared internally (Wire not split into few socket)
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Unfortunately, I think this socket is being shared with another socket. It is used to power the computer.
Alternatively, can I take the power from a wall light point?
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Unfortunately, I think this socket is being shared with another socket. It is used to power the computer.
Alternatively, can I take the power from a wall light point?
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my mhi just bought it. I cannot hear outdoor unit noise at all although it is put behind wall. just indoor noise quite strong because of powerful wind. very cold 1/2 hp can accommodate my 150sqft bedroom. so far satisfy.


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my mhi just bought it. I cannot hear outdoor unit noise at all although it is put behind wall. just indoor noise quite strong because of powerful wind. very cold 1/2 hp can accommodate my 150sqft bedroom. so far satisfy.
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Oh no, why you really bought the cute MHI model??

I can't tahan to keep laughing now
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anyone knows reliable and competent pana inverter aircond seller and installer around kajang-bangi area pls share contact. would like to get 3 units for landed hse.
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1) How come inverter ACs need to be 0.5hp more than conventional ACs if we are cooling the same sized room

2) When does inverter ACs do not make sense?

3) Are there Malaysian websites that review ACs?

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Oh no, why you really bought the cute MHI model??

I can't tahan to keep laughing now
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cute model but colder than my daikin and similar cold with my toshiba. cannot tahan the aircon now. very cold. my outdoor quite big but why so light ah? the freon not taken by aircon installer right because my installer straight brought the aircon from the aircon shop?

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cute model but colder than my daikin and similar cold with my toshiba. cannot tahan the aircon now. very cold. my outdoor quite big but why so light ah? the freon not taken by aircon installer right because my installer straight brought the aircon from the aircon shop?
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MHI outdoor look like quite thicked than Pana or Daikin GA, the cooling is much stronger than sharp and the rest you mention.

Where u from? Why they give the white insulation?

Seem like better one, just outdoor expose rain can be easily getting dirty only

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 9 2015, 07:07 AM)
MHI outdoor look like quite thicked than Pana or Daikin GA, the cooling is much stronger than sharp and the rest you mention.

Where u from? Why they give the white insulation?

Seem like better one, just outdoor expose rain can be easily getting dirty only
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sarawak got this white insulation la. I use inverter insulation one on this non inverter.how long do we need to clean outdoor aircon? how about indoor of this cute model easy to clean?

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sarawak got this white insulation la. how long do we need to clean outdoor aircon? how about indoor of this cute model easy to clean?
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Outdoor just depend on dust stick on cooling coil

Indoor you have open up the casing n show us how easy to clean too
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Outdoor just depend on dust stick on cooling coil

Indoor you have open up the casing n show us how easy to clean too
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where to buy spray cleaning for outdoor? how often do we need to apply it?3 months later will show you the indoor filter
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where to buy spray cleaning for outdoor? how often do we need to apply it?3 months later will show you the indoor filter
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Ok later u got time n show me the indoor coil portion, but make sure to be remove out filter as well.

The indoor just clean n wash filter within 3 mths only

The outdoor unit can be spray water on cooling coil portion only, is depend 1 to 2 yrs around there
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 9 2015, 06:52 AM)
cute model but colder than my daikin and similar cold with my toshiba. cannot tahan the aircon now. very cold. my outdoor quite big but why so light ah? the freon not taken by aircon installer right because my installer straight brought the aircon from the aircon shop?
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Why the outdoor base look like dirty?
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 9 2015, 08:15 AM)
Ok later u got time n show me the indoor coil portion, but make sure to be remove out filter as well.

The indoor just clean n wash filter within 3 mths only

The outdoor unit can be spray water on cooling coil portion only, is depend 1 to 2 yrs around there
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thanks. even after turn off my mhi for 2 hours the room still cool liao. the outdoor base no ned to be clean right? due to dust of my reno.
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Unfortunately, I think this socket is being shared with another socket. It is used to power the computer.
Alternatively, can I take the power from a wall light point?
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Fuse will Blow or Wire will burn...

better not
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1) How come inverter ACs need to be 0.5hp more than conventional ACs if we are cooling the same sized room

2) When does inverter ACs do not make sense?

3) Are there Malaysian websites that review ACs?
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Really??? did not know that also did not follow that... I replace my 1Hp non inverter with 1hp inverter only...

also maybee the recomendation is inorder to cool the room faster to acheive set temp and hence faster electricity savings can be acheived...

nah... no bother...
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If room is far from outdoor, what is the best method of installing AC? Go through ceiling to put the indoor AC, or pull the pipe into the house then into the room?
Second method seems not so nice to look at, unless can properly seal up.
Just want to know in terms of cost and performance for the AC.
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 9 2015, 10:35 AM)
Really??? did not know that also did not follow that... I replace my 1Hp non inverter with 1hp inverter only...

also maybee the recomendation is inorder to cool the room faster to acheive set temp and hence faster electricity savings can be acheived...

nah... no bother...
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So that isn't how inverter ACs are marketed in Malaysia? rclxub.gif

BTW I'm from the Philippines and this is one of the few forums that talks about inverter ACs without ASEAN.
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Hi,

I bought aircond from lazada. How much the cost to install 1.0hp and 1.5hp aircond? Soket 15a is ready
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Hey everybody,

I need an air con contractor to come and service four devices in my unit. One of them started dripping water through the indoor unit.

They are Hitachi brand and out of warranty for a few months now, but I know I haven't serviced them or charged them since they were installed so I think that's why one started leaking.

Any recommendations? Please PM me. We need one to come to Bangsar South.

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How about a quiz.

100 sqft room. 1HP should be enough. If you were to use 1.5HP inverter, would you see power savings?

Since the air con is overkill, it would hit set temperature fast, and the inverter will keep the air con in low speed to maintain the temp.

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 10 2015, 12:28 AM)
How about a quiz.

100 sqft room. 1HP should be enough. If you were to use 1.5HP inverter, would you see power savings?

Since the air con is overkill, it would hit set temperature fast, and the inverter will keep the air con in low speed to maintain the temp.
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My apartment AC outdoor housing unit only can fit 2x 1hp AC so it is out for me...


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hi guys, i just had installed 5 units ME.
the installer said no need to refill the gas for first time installation. can you guys confirm? i feel like not really cold

thank you.
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Airconds now having a hard time cooling right? If living near main road washing the outdoor unit daily, would that make a difference?
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Why the outdoor base look like dirty?
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What abt those aircond spray cleaner in the supermarket? It supposed to clean the cooling coil and exit along with the water outside. Are they good?
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QUOTE(nanpengyou @ Jul 10 2015, 05:51 PM)
hi guys, i just had installed 5 units ME.
the installer said no need to refill the gas for first time installation. can you guys confirm? i feel like not really cold

thank you.
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Ha ha kena cheat by installer for saving some gas
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Ha ha kena cheat by installer for saving some gas
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my installer also no add gas for first time. he said got from mhi already and unit very cold now at 26 degree celcius. prob why seller gave me warranyy card with different serial number with my unit.what should I do? am I got cheated by seller? aircon got refurbished one or not? how to know?

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Ha ha kena cheat by installer for saving some gas
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really? my aircons seems not cold enough.
the compressor also slightly noisy.
a bit disappointed now.
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QUOTE(nanpengyou @ Jul 10 2015, 10:02 PM)
really? my aircons seems not cold enough.
the compressor  also slightly noisy.
a bit disappointed  now.
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Out of few brands I see before, so far only Panasonic no need to add gas also cold enough. Other brands I not that sure.
My installer(my neighbor anyway) even dare to say if the air cond not cold, can knock his door and he will add back the gas and 1 round of weekend dim sum meal thumbup.gif
But at the end, I never get free meal tongue.gif

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 10 2015, 10:56 PM)
Out of few brands I see before, so far only Panasonic no need to add gas also cold enough. Other brands I not that sure.
My installer(my neighbor anyway) even dare to say if the air cond not cold, can knock his door and he will add back the gas and 1 round of weekend dim sum meal thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 11 2015, 12:04 AM)
Recent batch yes & old batch not need.
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my mhi also no need liao

pros of mhi:

1.very cold like inside fridge liao
2. smallest indoor9 but thick build quality
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sleep mode, eco,hi power, timer
4.outdoor noise cannot be heard in my bedroom

cons:
1.quite noisy wind for indoor
2. the coldness can make your bone feel sick

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my mhi also no need liao

pros of mhi:

1.very cold like inside fridge liao
2. smallest indoor9 but thick build quality
3.
sleep mode, eco,hi power, timer
4.outdoor noise cannot be heard in my bedroom

cons:
1.quite noisy wind for indoor
2. the coldness can make your bone feel sick
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What are the prices, and are they inverter?
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 11 2015, 12:27 AM)
my mhi also no need liao

pros of mhi:

1.very cold like inside fridge liao
2. smallest indoor9 but thick build quality
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sleep mode, eco,hi power, timer
4.outdoor noise cannot be heard in my bedroom

cons:
1.quite noisy wind for indoor
2. the coldness can make your bone feel sick
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Can set to quiet mode right
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What are the prices, and are they inverter?
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Can set to quiet mode right
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can. use minimal fan. now using max fan cool mode
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 11 2015, 12:50 AM)
can. use minimal fan. now using max fan cool mode
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Should be set to minimum fan speed.

Unless you are fatty can't feel that cold.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 11 2015, 12:51 AM)
Should be set to minimum fan speed.

Unless you are fatty can't feel that cold.
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 11 2015, 06:25 AM)
installer recommend using max speed of fan to let compressor work easily compared with minimum speed
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Use max fan speed the air output feel more windy than set to step 1st of fan speed to 2nd speed.

Just stand and use your hand and test the air result.

Again use high fan speed from the filter and coil can be easily suck up more n more dust too.

Wanna do service faster then just do with high fan.

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hi guys, i just had installed 5 units ME.
the installer said no need to refill the gas for first time installation. can you guys confirm? i feel like not really cold

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When my Mr Slim was installed(Brand new btw), the installer didn't fill up the gas since it's already charged in the factory.
And it's really cold when I use it.
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When my Mr Slim was installed(Brand new btw), the installer didn't fill up the gas since it's already charged in the factory.
And it's really cold when I use it.
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There's depend on back to back or either pull from 3m length distance will be poor cooling
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Well before I got this Mr Slim unit, I got a Panasonic unit and the outdoor unit is mounted on the same wall as where the indoor unit was(Bad idea....Alot of vibrations especially a few months before I got it replaced)
When I got the Mr Slim,The outdoor unit was moved a few meters away and it still works fine.

Oh and this is how the unit looks like

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QUOTE(MrToper @ Jul 11 2015, 09:59 AM)
Well before I got this Mr Slim unit, I got a Panasonic unit and the outdoor unit is mounted on the same wall as where the indoor unit was(Bad idea....Alot of vibrations especially a few months before I got it replaced)
When I got the Mr Slim,The outdoor unit was moved a few meters away and it still works fine.

Oh and this is how the unit looks like
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Wow left side too close to wall, maybe next time is a bit difficult for wipe out
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Wow left side too close to wall, maybe next time is a bit difficult for wipe out
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The previous aircons were also installed like that for years since I was in the house.That was in the master bedroom.I got no problems with that install and it's still easy to remove the unit for servicing.
Originally I got an Acson in there.Replaced it in 2006 or 2007 with a Panasonic(When it got replaced the Acson was moved to another bedroom in the house since it was still working fine.That Acson unit was then replaced a few months later with a Panasonic unit which has e ion something and Patrol Sensor)

The Panasonic in the master bedroom runs good until 2014 when it started to make alot of noise and doesn't want to cool efficiently. When it comes to December, the condenser fins on the outdoor unit is rotting away, making more noise and the indoor unit doesn't want to cool(Even at 16c).The outdoor unit compressor would run for a minute or two then stops running for a really long time. Tried servicing it and still not solving problems. Then just screw it and replaced it with the Mr Slim in January 2015

That's how the Panasonic in the master bedroom looks like before it was replaced with the Mr Slim

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QUOTE(MrToper @ Jul 11 2015, 10:29 AM)
The previous aircons were also installed like that for years since I was in the house.That was in the master bedroom.I got no problems with that install and it's still easy to remove the unit for servicing.
Originally I got an Acson in there.Replaced it in 2006 or 2007 with a Panasonic(When it got replaced the Acson was moved to another bedroom in the house since it was still working fine.That unit was then replaced a few months later with a Panasonic unit which has e ion something and Patrol Sensor)

The Panasonic in the master bedroom runs good until 2014 when it started to make alot of noise and doesn't want to cool efficiently. When it comes to December, the condenser coils on the outdoor unit is rotting away, making more noise and the indoor unit doesn't want to cool(Even at 16c).The outdoor unit compressor would run for a minute or two then stops running for a really long time. Tried servicing it and still not solving problems. Then just screw it and replaced it with the Mr Slim in January 2015

That's how the Panasonic in the master bedroom looks like before it was replaced with the Mr Slim
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He he maybe was personal style.

Btw non inverter need standard presure only, unlike inverter need 100% of gas R410a, from inverter Aircon just slighly lower pressure can be feel slighly different, even setting can be 24c vs 25c if the gas is up to 100% of pressure R410a requirement

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There's depend on back to back or either pull from 3m length distance will be poor cooling
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3m length distance the best distance right?
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3m length distance the best distance right?
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my daikin in master bedroom is 2 hp covering 380ft2. when use online calcuator it is proposing a 2.5hp unit.

question is i wud like to change to inverter unit. is it advisable to maintain 2hp or upgrade to 2.5hp? im afraid inverter has to work extra hard if undersized thus no cost saving.
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QUOTE(nanan75 @ Jul 11 2015, 02:24 PM)
my daikin in master bedroom is 2 hp covering 380ft2.  when use online calcuator it is proposing a 2.5hp unit.

question is i wud like to change to inverter unit.  is it advisable to maintain 2hp or upgrade to 2.5hp?  im afraid inverter has to work extra hard if undersized thus no cost saving.
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Depending on your duration.
If using long hours, then inverter will help you.
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Depending on your duration.
If using long hours, then inverter will help you.
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yup, thats why i wanna change to inverter. only not sure whether to maintain 2.0hp or increase to 2.5hp hmm.gif
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yup, thats why i wanna change to inverter.  only not sure whether to maintain  2.0hp or increase to 2.5hp  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 11 2015, 12:52 PM)
Anyway like multi split can be from 4m mimimum
If 3m in between just right
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Hi kimsim, if really need to pull further than 3m what is the best solution?
And what is benefit of multisplit compare to single?

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QUOTE(nanan75 @ Jul 11 2015, 02:46 PM)
yup, thats why i wanna change to inverter.  only not sure whether to maintain  2.0hp or increase to 2.5hp  hmm.gif
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Go with 2.5hp ME starmex inverter you won't regret and the input watt just 1830w @ 22k btu, sure is enough to set on 25c only

Oops in MY is call mr slim

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Hi kimsim, if really need to pull further than 3m what is the best solution?
And what is benefit of multisplit compare to single?
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 11 2015, 04:30 PM)
Go with 2.5hp ME starmex inverter you won't regret and the input watt just 1830w @ 22k btu, sure is enough to set  on 25c only

Oops in MY is call mr slim
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contractor installed r410 pipe , but how do we know whether that pipe is r410 pipe instead of r22 pipe... ?
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QUOTE(nanan75 @ Jul 11 2015, 05:15 PM)
Thanks, im still inclined for Pana inverter based on dpare parts availability and price, but Mr slim is my second option nonetheless.
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But honestly from ME mr slim lower fan speed start from 30db still acceptable for normal sleep required, if Pana inverter 2.5hp more than 35-40db there will not as comfort for sleeping
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contractor installed r410 pipe , but how do we know whether that pipe is r410 pipe instead of r22 pipe... ?
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minimum for r410a is 0.6mm. go for panasonic, tateyama or inaki denko one

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anyone install aircon's water leak pipe direct to toilet?
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QUOTE(neihc @ Jul 11 2015, 06:33 PM)
anyone install aircon's water leak pipe direct to toilet?
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Yes why? My 2 places are outlet at toilet
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Yes why? My 2 places are outlet at toilet
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Any problem so far? Both my 3 toilets outlet to toilet. Only master bedroom direct to outside. look weird hmm.gif
My friend say have a machine pump can draw out aircond water. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(neihc @ Jul 11 2015, 06:53 PM)
Any problem so far? Both my 3 toilets outlet to toilet. Only master bedroom direct to outside. look weird hmm.gif
My friend say have a machine pump can draw out aircond water. hmm.gif
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My friend use it for suck out all the clogging

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 11 2015, 08:05 AM)
Use max fan speed the air output feel more windy than set to step 1st of fan speed to 2nd speed.

Just stand and use your hand and test the air result.

Again use high fan speed from the filter and coil can be easily suck up more n more dust too.

Wanna do service faster then just do with high fan.

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seriously why at minimum fan speed the outdoor noise quite loud now? does it mean my compressor work quite hard?indoor noise is still same and my room also no cool at all at 26 degree celcius. sian..

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 11 2015, 07:44 PM)
seriously why at minimum fan speed the outdoor noise quite loud now? does it mean my compressor work quite hard?indoor noise is still same and my room also no cool at all at 26 degree celcius. sian..
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You won't know, non inverter is never reduce the fan motor & compressor rpm at all, they never work with variable speed lah boss.

That is why ask you don't buy MHI Liao
Now you reailase the noisy right.
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My friend use it for suck out all the clogging

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 11 2015, 08:15 PM)
You won't know, non inverter is never reduce the fan motor & compressor rpm at all, they never work with variable speed lah boss.

That is why ask you don't buy MHI Liao
Now you reailase the noisy right.
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outdoor no noisy at all if I run the speed of fan at max and room very cool now. haha..60dB for indoor unit noise. however, I am not bothered at all. I am satisfy with mhi since 1/2 hp also can cool the 150sqft room

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 11 2015, 08:35 PM)
outdoor no noisy at all if I run the speed of fan at max and room very cool now. haha..60dB for indoor unit noise. however, I am not bothered at all. I am satisfy with mhi since 1/2 hp also can cool the 150sqft room
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You meant low speed at 60dB?
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QUOTE(neihc @ Jul 11 2015, 08:35 PM)
Huh...need function together  when aircond power on?
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 11 2015, 04:30 PM)
Go with 2.5hp ME starmex inverter you won't regret and the input watt just 1830w @ 22k btu, sure is enough to set  on 25c only

Oops in MY is call mr slim
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What's different with Mr Slim and Starmex? Some of the units looks same.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 11 2015, 08:55 PM)
You meant low speed at 60dB?
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high speed 27 degree celcius
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What's different with Mr Slim and Starmex? Some of the units looks same.
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MY version with mr slim & Sg version with Starmex is different country may different naming only
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 11 2015, 09:22 PM)
high speed 27 degree celcius
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The correct setting was 25c with low fan speed will save more.
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The correct setting was 25c with low fan speed will save more.
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27c with high speed colder than 25c with low speed fan.why?i feel fuckin hot with low fan speed

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 11 2015, 09:36 PM)
27c with high speed colder than 25c with low speed fan.why?i feel fuckin hot with low fan speed
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That meant underpowered ha ha

If the right cooling should be on 25C with low fan brows.gif
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That meant underpowered ha ha

If the right cooling should be on 25C with low fan brows.gif
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27 celcius with high fan also i need blanket liao to sleep. why underpowered? underpower means no cold at all liao. 27 celcius even save more than 25 right? this 1/2 hp only 370 watt somemore

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jul 11 2015, 10:30 PM)
27 celcius with high fan also i need blanket liao to sleep. why underpowered? underpower means no cold at all liao. 27 celcius even save more than 25 right? this 1/2 hp only 370 watt somemore
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22 AND MEDIUM
I dont care what people say about me setting that. 25 is good but 22 is nice/
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Hi guys,

I'm planning to get a 1.5hp air cond for my small condo - living room. Planning to get non-inverter type since my usage is minimal compared to my bedroom.

I heard the new Panasonic 2015 model has improved a lot - the wind is stronger and quite cooling (compared to previous models). As for Daikin GA, it is not as noisy as it used to be. I've an old Daikin (thai) in my bedroom and it works well.

My requirement is, cooling, wont breakdown easily & after sales service, not noisy and does not consume a lot of eletricity. Electricity part, I dont think it will consume a lot since usage is low anyway.

Shortlisted a few models:

Daikin GA L-series 1379 - R22, no funny features
Panasonic 1669 - R410A, a lot of features (econavi, etc)
Daikin (Thai) 1450 - R22, discountinued model
Mitsubishi 1580 - R22, expensive spare parts
Daikin GA P-series 1609 - R410A, no features only eco-king

Which is better?

Please share your view.

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QUOTE(mahaendera @ Jul 11 2015, 11:46 PM)
Hi guys,

I'm planning to get a 1.5hp air cond for my small condo - living room. Planning to get non-inverter type since my usage is minimal compared to my bedroom.

I heard the new Panasonic 2015 model has improved a lot - the wind is stronger and quite cooling (compared to previous models). As for Daikin GA, it is not as noisy as it used to be. I've an old Daikin (thai) in my bedroom and it works well.

My requirement is, cooling, wont breakdown easily & after sales service, not noisy and does not consume a lot of eletricity. Electricity part, I dont think it will consume a lot since usage is low anyway.

Shortlisted a few models:

Daikin GA L-series 1379 - R22, no funny features
Panasonic  1669 - R410A, a lot of features (econavi, etc)
Daikin (Thai)  1450 - R22, discountinued model
Mitsubishi  1580 - R22, expensive spare parts
Daikin GA P-series 1609 - R410A, no features only eco-king

Which is better?

Please share your view.

Thanks. smile.gif
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If you know how to use Aircon and won't choose for comes with many feature..

Unlike you need play around.

Simple and good.

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If you know how to use Aircon and won't choose for comes with many feature..

Unlike you need play around.

Simple and good.
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Thanks, kimsim.

So which one is your choice?
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 11 2015, 08:56 PM)
No it vacuum can be suck out water for pvc outlet pipe, when the Aircon indoor water leak & dripping down due to jelly clogging
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Ok...thanks for sharing
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Living room with minimal usage. Get Panasonic basic model it is now R410A. Inverter won't make huge difference if you on 2 hours each time.
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QUOTE(MrToper @ Jul 11 2015, 11:17 PM)
22 AND MEDIUM
I dont care what people say about me setting that. 25 is good but 22 is nice/
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350 sqft room, ceiling height 9.5 ft, 1.5 hp York inverter enough to cool?
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 12 2015, 01:10 AM)
Living room with minimal usage. Get Panasonic basic model it is now R410A. Inverter won't make huge difference if you on 2 hours each time.
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Thanks, Jason. I think you're talking about PV12RKH model. Any reason why you choose Panasonic ? Not Daikin GA?

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Thanks, Jason. I think you're talking about PV12RKH model. Any reason why you choose Panasonic ? Not Daikin GA?
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350 sqft room, ceiling height 9.5 ft, 1.5 hp York inverter enough to cool?
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may need 2hp, can use online calculator and see recommendations. My room abt 380sf uses 2hp and some area cold air not reachable.
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This is the Panasonic unit I mentioned in my other posts.
Installed it in my other bedroom on 2008 if I'm not wrong. Before this unit there was the Acson unit which came from the master bedroom and that unit was installed for a few months and then the Acson was replaced by this Panasonic. Like the Mr Slim at the master bedroom, the left side is so close to the wall.

This unit has Patrol Sensor and e ion thing and all those. Not inverter though

It's used everyday with 25c on High speed fan.
This unit still works nicely. Cooling is very cold even on 25. Fan noise is loud but got used to it anyway.

The only problem I have with it is the swing motor is broken. The swing motor got damaged while servicing it last year for some reason. Everytime the swing tried to move it makes a loud clack clack clack noise and swing is jammed (How to fix that)

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QUOTE(mahaendera @ Jul 12 2015, 11:43 AM)
Thanks, Jason. I think you're talking about PV12RKH model. Any reason why you choose Panasonic ? Not Daikin GA?
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IF Daikin GA has R410A for the same amount of money as the Panasonic, I'll choose it. So far the Panasonic is one of the most affordable non-inverter R410A air conditioner.

If you've followed this thread you'll see I have no particular inclination towards Panasonic, despite having 3 of their air cons in my home. (One of them a National).

My suggestion is based on what's best for your use case.
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Okay.. But how high are your ceiling?

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Pana inverter after few wash to condition coil not as good, very poor on coil condition

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Pana inverter after few wash to condition coil not as good, very poor on coil condition

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My old Panasonic in the master bedroom coil also look somewhat like that. Only more worse.
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QUOTE(MrToper @ Jul 12 2015, 09:46 PM)
My old Panasonic in the master bedroom coil also look somewhat like that. Only more worse.
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Ya even no chemical also can be getting rusty

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look like pana quality is getting poor...no wonder cheaper than other type.

can someone show also other brand cooling coil after services ??
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QUOTE(mghong @ Jul 12 2015, 10:52 PM)
look like pana quality is getting poor...no wonder cheaper than other type.

can someone show also other brand cooling coil after services ??
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Daikin Thailand still look good, but the fan blower can't be remove is an issue too..
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Actually Daikin ga is much better than Pana.
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The best quality of cooling coil was ME only, so far is seen.
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Hitachi also much worst, just I knew how to remove by myself only.
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Fujitsu inverter good also, but the drain pan can't be remove also difficult to clean on fan blower by normal service.

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Daikin Thailand still look good, but the fan blower can't be remove is an issue too..
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Actually Daikin ga is much better than Pana.
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The best quality of cooling coil was ME only, so far is seen.
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Hitachi also much worst, just I knew how to remove by myself only.
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why other brands no copy ME liao?
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I honestly cannot sleep.

My worry is that I underloaded the ACs I got for the rooms. I also worry that I will be paying more on my power bill. sad.gif

17sqm
- East facing window that has tint and blackout curtains
- Cement walls all around
- 2.5m ceiling
- Top floor
- Wooden floor and ceiling
- Two wooden doors
- One person
- One desktop with LED display
-- 2.0hp LG HS-18ISM
--- EER 13.9 Kj/h.W
--- Cooling capacity of 19,438 Kj/h or 18,423 Btu/h
(Non-inverter AC would be 1.0 to 1.5hp for 17sqm)



17sqm
- East facing window that has tint and blackout curtains
- South facing window that has tint and blackout curtains
- Cement walls all around
- 2.5m ceiling
- Top floor
- Wooden floor and ceiling
- Two wooden doors
- One person
- One desktop with LED display
-- 2.0hp LG HS-18ISM
--- EER 13.9 Kj/h.W
--- Cooling capacity of 19,438 Kj/h or 18,423 Btu/h
(Non-inverter AC would be 1.0 to 1.5hp for 17sqm)

28sqm
- East facing window that has tint and blackout curtains
- South facing window that has tint and blackout curtains
- Cement walls all around
- 2.5m ceiling
- Top floor
- Wooden floor and ceiling
- Two wooden doors
- One person
- One 40-inch LCD HDTV
-- 2.5hp LG HS-24ISM
--- EER 13.78 Kj/h.W
--- Cooling capacity of 22,317 Kj/h or 21,152 Btu/h
(Non-inverter AC would be 1.5 to 2.0hp for 28sqm)

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QUOTE(dolina @ Jul 13 2015, 04:09 AM)
I honestly cannot sleep.

My worry is that I underloaded the ACs I got for the rooms. I also worry that I will be paying more on my power bill. sad.gif

17sqm
- East facing window that has tint and blackout curtains
- Cement walls all around
- 2.5m ceiling
- Top floor
- Wooden floor and ceiling
- Two wooden doors
- One person
- One desktop with LED display
-- 2.0hp LG HS-18ISM
--- EER 13.9 Kj/h.W
--- Cooling capacity of 19,438 Kj/h or 18,423 Btu/h
(Non-inverter AC would be 1.0 to 1.5hp for 17sqm)
17sqm
- East facing window that has tint and blackout curtains
- South facing window that has tint and blackout curtains
- Cement walls all around
- 2.5m ceiling
- Top floor
- Wooden floor and ceiling
- Two wooden doors
- One person
- One desktop with LED display
-- 2.0hp LG HS-18ISM
--- EER 13.9 Kj/h.W
--- Cooling capacity of 19,438 Kj/h or 18,423 Btu/h
(Non-inverter AC would be 1.0 to 1.5hp for 17sqm)

28sqm
- East facing window that has tint and blackout curtains
- South facing window that has tint and blackout curtains
- Cement walls all around
- 2.5m ceiling
- Top floor
- Wooden floor and ceiling
- Two wooden doors
- One person
- One 40-inch LCD HDTV
-- 2.5hp LG HS-24ISM
--- EER 13.78 Kj/h.W
--- Cooling capacity of 22,317 Kj/h or 21,152 Btu/h
(Non-inverter AC would be 1.5 to 2.0hp for 28sqm)
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Don't understand why you calculate, anyway just a room size from 3x4 or 3x5m wide, if high ceiling is no bother at all.

Operate is depend you turn on from 5hrs or 8hrs per night.

If more than 3 hrs per night should go for inverter, the best cheaper inverter just go with Daikin Ga.
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Thanks kimsim.

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Since reading the 0.5hp increase allowance for inverter ACs I wondered why this was a Philippine-specific rule. I say this because I cannot find any non-Philippine reference on this. The Malaysians I asked on a forum never heard of it. India's "Consumer Voice" magazine does not mention this either.

I think this started with older or some inverter AC models that did not have a rapid cooling function like LG's "Jet Cool". This feature I have.

It's something I did not expect so I am half disappointed

I talked to the surveyor and he said 1.5hp inverter can cool 17sqm but countered the extra 0.5hp would give give me the adequate overhead when days become warmer and my power consumption would be better in the long run with the extra leg room. I hope he's right or else I just bought extra performance that i will never or rarely use.

It is also possible that is that they are compensating for poorly insulated rooms to avoid complaints from unhappy customers. To which I cannot blame them for doing so.

Or they just wanted to push models that are slow sellers or gave them a better margin per unit sold.

In future purchases I suggest those buying to read carefully the inverter ac they are eyeing for rapid cooling functionalities like LG's "Jet Cool". Other brand owners should see and share what it is named with their units.

I knew this function was present in LG ACs but under the name of "Himalayan Cool" for the South Asian market but seeming the functionality wasn't named in any PH specific product I didn't bother looking for it. Renaming the function from one market to the next may make it better understood in different cultures but it is confusing leading to wrong purchases. Bad move LG.
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1. What's the difference between Daikin and Daikin GA? (Confusing me)

2. Any comment on Hitachi latest Air Sleep model? The casing looks cool
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 12 2015, 11:08 PM)
Daikin Thailand still look good, but the fan blower can't be remove is an issue too..
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Actually Daikin ga is much better than Pana.
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The best quality of cooling coil was ME only, so far is seen.
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Hitachi also much worst, just I knew how to remove by myself only.
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Panasonic inverter aircon technical data looks very promising but now the problem here only reliability issue, hope more Pana Inverter owner share their experience
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QUOTE(silentsunami @ Jul 13 2015, 02:57 PM)
Panasonic inverter aircon technical data looks very promising but now the problem here only reliability issue, hope more Pana Inverter owner share their experience
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Pana, is reliability too, part also cheap, but just remember to top up extended warranty for indoor unit.

Swing motor & PCB is depend on luck only.

The rest still works fine
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Panasonic inverter aircon technical data looks very promising but now the problem here only reliability issue, hope more Pana Inverter owner share their experience
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All air cond will end up like this(rusted) regardless of brands.
The key point is do regular maintenance, like 1 - 1.5 years have to service.
The main filter shall be cleaned once every 2 weeks, this is to prevent dust build up and causing the sides are being soaked.
Usually for the sake of misleading and cheating people that knows lesser, I'll always take photos from a new air cond that I want to praise and take old photos from the old air cond that I want to condemn.
At least with those photos, you are being fished whistling.gif
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How long you want the AC to last now days... if it lasted 5 years good already... if it lasted 10 years wow!!! like National Brand hahaha

if it last 20 years.... er.........

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Pana, is reliability too, part also cheap, but just remember to top up extended warranty for indoor unit.

Swing motor & PCB is depend on luck only.

The rest still works fine
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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 13 2015, 03:05 PM)
All air cond will end up like this(rusted) regardless of brands.
The key point is do regular maintenance, like 1 - 1.5 years have to service.
The main filter shall be cleaned once every 2 weeks, this is to prevent dust build up and causing the sides are being soaked.
Usually for the sake of misleading and cheating people that knows lesser, I'll always take photos from a new air cond that I want to praise and take old photos from the old air cond that I want to condemn.
At least with those photos, you are being fished whistling.gif
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Pana that's it then, will ask the electrical shop on the extended warranty thingy rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 13 2015, 03:10 PM)
How long you want the AC to last now days... if it lasted 5 years good already... if it lasted 10 years wow!!! like National Brand hahaha

if it last 20 years.... er.........
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My Panasonic non inverter last me for 10 years and still quiet when I'm using it at night.
I always service it once a year thumbup.gif

QUOTE(silentsunami @ Jul 13 2015, 03:12 PM)
Pana that's it then, will ask the electrical shop on the extended warranty thingy  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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No need to extend the warranty, don't waste money on this. As said, clean the filter once every 2 weeks and service it once a year.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 13 2015, 03:17 PM)
My Panasonic non inverter last me for 10 years and still quiet when I'm using it at night.
I always service it once a year thumbup.gif
No need to extend the warranty, don't waste money on this. As said, clean the filter once every 2 weeks and service it once a year.
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Problem is Inverter board is sensitive to our dirty TNB current...

I dont blame the electronics but TNB current is unstable... I have a Electricity stabiliser and it is constant flashing informing me the current is unstable... which can fry a inverter pcb board...

Get additional warranty for piece of mind...
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Problem is Inverter board is sensitive to our dirty TNB current...

I dont blame the electronics but TNB current is unstable... I have a Electricity stabiliser and it is constant flashing informing me the current is unstable... which can fry a inverter pcb board...

Get additional warranty for piece of mind...
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Unstable can be due to various reasons.
Did they come and tighten then incoming cables? This is the main thing to be done. With such move, my voltage from 255V dropped to 240V.
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Unstable can be due to various reasons.
Did they come and tighten then incoming cables? This is the main thing to be done. With such move, my voltage from 255V dropped to 240V.
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The Transformer room is old.... that is back in my hometown...

in KL I live in Condo... the current much stable in KL

but to save RM150 and take risk... nah I rather spend RM150 for additional warranty (5 years full coverage) RM30 per year only ba....

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 13 2015, 03:36 PM)
The Transformer room is old.... that is back in my hometown...

in KL I live in Condo... the current much stable in KL

but to save RM150 and take risk... nah I rather spend RM150 for additional warranty (5 years full coverage) RM30 per year only ba....
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Good luck on this, but do read what does that covers.
Still, getting TNB to fix the bloody problem are more important.
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How long you want the AC to last now days... if it lasted 5 years good already... if it lasted 10 years wow!!! like National Brand hahaha

if it last 20 years.... er.........
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lol...I have 2 unbranded been running for 15yrs + and a Pana compressor for the same amount of time, but had changed for a used head unit, recently, due to internal noise
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Good luck on this, but do read what does that covers.
Still, getting TNB to fix the bloody problem are more important.
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You go try talking to TNB laaa they are even better than Tai Chi Master....

they give reasons like tikus, cacing, cicak etc etc....
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QUOTE(MrToper @ Jul 12 2015, 01:48 PM)
This is the Panasonic unit I mentioned in my other posts.
Installed it in my other bedroom on 2008 if I'm not wrong. Before this unit there was the Acson unit which came from the master bedroom and that unit was installed for a few months and then the Acson was replaced by this Panasonic. Like the Mr Slim at the master bedroom, the left side is so close to the wall.

This unit has Patrol Sensor and e ion thing and all those. Not inverter though

It's used everyday with 25c on High speed fan.
This unit still works nicely. Cooling is very cold even on 25. Fan noise is loud but got used to it anyway.

The only problem I have with it is the swing motor is broken. The swing motor got damaged while servicing it last year for some reason. Everytime the swing tried to move it makes a  loud clack clack clack noise and swing is jammed (How to fix that)

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That should be pretty easy to fix.

Most likely the hole that the motor shaft joint the swing blade is broken, hence loose. You could use super glue to clamp the crack (assuming a crack) or use something (like newspaper) to hold the shaft in the widened hole
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jul 13 2015, 03:45 PM)
You go try talking to TNB laaa they are even better than Tai Chi Master....

they give reasons like tikus, cacing, cicak etc etc....
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I'm not a good man on this, I'll go to their office and screw them upside down.
While TNB is a monoploy company, they still need some reputation.
If you want a more gentle way, tribunal court also will do.
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just installed few pana airconds for new house

1 of the 2.5hp model seems giving trouble, model is CS KC24QKH (deluxe non-inverter with the econavi and ionizer model)

after installation, all units tested 2 hours without issue
few days later, when back to do some house cleaning and switch on the ac, noticed the timer light is blinking in amber color. at first thought wrongly press timer button, played around with the remote still the light blinking even restarted a few times. the problem when the light is blinking is the AC will auto-off after like 30-45mins

i then decided to off the AC and let it rest for an hour or so, then started it again
the blinking amber light is now gone but noticed after 30mins or so, while the AC is on, suddenly no air blow out from the indoor unit while the vent is open and paused ....no more swing. Then some weird noise as if the unit is pumping large amount of water , this lasted a few mins before the unit operate normal back (air blowing and vents moving), after an hour or so the same thing happened and self recovered in a few mins

any idea what is wrong with the AC ? during installation, one of the 1hp aircond also have this timer light blinking amber and auto off by itself, but that happens once and so far never happened again. this 2.5hp model is kinda giving me some worry as it has 2 weird symptoms (1st blinking light and auto off, 2nd operations paused and weird water noise)

apporeciate anyone exp with pana ac, what is the issue here ?



and 1 more thing, the operating noise for the 2.5hp is quite high , switch to quite mode will reduce a bit ......is this also normal?

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QUOTE(dixonleong @ Jul 13 2015, 04:52 PM)
just installed few pana airconds for new house

1 of the 2.5hp model seems giving trouble, model is CS KC24QKH (deluxe non-inverter with the econavi and ionizer model)

after installation, all units tested 2 hours without issue
few days later, when back to do some house cleaning and switch on the ac, noticed the timer light is blinking in amber color. at first thought wrongly press timer button, played around with the remote still the light blinking even restarted a few times. the problem when the light is blinking is the AC will auto-off after like 30-45mins

i then decided to off the AC and let it rest for an hour or so, then started it again
the blinking amber light is now gone but noticed after 30mins or so, while the AC is on, suddenly no air blow out from the indoor unit while the vent is open and paused ....no more swing. Then some weird noise as if the unit is pumping large amount of water , this lasted a few mins before the unit operate normal back (air blowing and vents moving), after an hour or so the same thing happened and self recovered in a few mins

any idea what is wrong with the AC ? during installation, one of the 1hp aircond also have this timer light blinking amber and auto off by itself, but that happens once and so far never happened again. this 2.5hp model is kinda giving me some worry as it has 2 weird symptoms (1st blinking light and auto off, 2nd operations paused and weird water noise)

apporeciate anyone exp with pana ac, what is the issue here ?
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Gas leak and compressor cut off.
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gas leak .......omg
i've called for panasonic technician to come check, any idea whether they have any tools to detect where gas leak

or would they be bother is it is gas leak since they only sell the AC ??
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another thing what's the water pumping noise then ??
i did not add any external pump to drain the ac water
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another thing what's the water pumping noise then ??
i did not add any external pump to drain the ac water
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QUOTE(93126668 @ Jul 13 2015, 09:03 AM)
My contractor recommended Daikin GA;

1. What's the difference between Daikin and Daikin GA? (Confusing me)

2. Any comment on Hitachi latest Air Sleep model? The casing looks cool
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1. Daikin = Japan company. GA = Local sales & service. Before Daikin GA, Daikin was represented by some other company. Now all Daikin are Daikin GA.

2. If you want it to LOOK cool. Sure. If you want an air con that will cool you and your room down, Daikin GA is a good choice.


QUOTE(silentsunami @ Jul 13 2015, 03:12 PM)
Pana that's it then, will ask the electrical shop on the extended warranty thingy  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Not worthwhile for the extended warranty. And read the T&C properly. Don't be shocked later if they tell you repair takes up to 90 days blah blah.
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QUOTE(dixonleong @ Jul 13 2015, 05:13 PM)
gas leak .......omg
i've called for panasonic technician to come check, any idea whether they have any tools to detect where gas leak

or would they be bother is it is gas leak since they only sell the AC ??
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most likely your flaring side has leak

I also experienced this when they installed my aircond, the flare has minor leak

at beginning, the aircond was cold, but with the minor leak, i am loosing the gas and after 2 weeks, it wasn't cold anymore

the panasonic guys came and check and found minor leak on the flare, then i called my installed to redo the flare, now it's normal again, very cold on 23c
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 12 2015, 09:21 PM)
Pana inverter after few wash to condition coil not as good, very poor on coil condition

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 12 2015, 11:08 PM)
Daikin Thailand still look good, but the fan blower can't be remove is an issue too..
user posted image

Actually Daikin ga is much better than Pana.
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The best quality of cooling coil was ME only, so far is seen.
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Hitachi also much worst, just I knew how to remove by myself only.
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Adi analysed before lo, cut cost on material to make it cheaper is more worst and more 'effective' than compressor cut cost itself.

Use lower grade aluminium, when new sparkling clean, when used, here rusty there rusty. The next thing will be less and less colder, after 5 years usage kong then someone will said 'if can last for 5 years consider very good adi'. whistling.gif

Really sick of this kind of handicap farking mindset, electronics is not make to withstand 5 years only, if yes, save your farking hard earn money and buy the China brand, also can last you for 5 years. Pana will be happy to see those 5 years mindset though. whistling.gif

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Is Mitsubishi Mr. Slim model non inverter still available with R22 gas or any shop still selling them? How about Pana non inverter with R22 gas?

Other than Daikin, any other recommended brand that comes with R22..preferably Jap brand.
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Is Mitsubishi Mr. Slim model non inverter still available with R22 gas or any shop still selling them? How about Pana non inverter with R22 gas?

Other than Daikin, any other recommended brand that comes with R22..preferably Jap brand.
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Any reason must prefer R22?

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