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calvin_ng
post Jul 3 2015, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 2 2015, 12:44 AM)
Inverter power saving is too much hype adi...for bedroom, buy inverter for comfort, becos less temperature variation. For power saving, honestly not really that much.
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I can confirm savings of 50% from non inverter to Inverter

Here my bill (Operation time Daily 7PM to 8AM)

Non Inverter (Panasonic Envio 1hp) set at 25deg: RM240

Inverter (Panasonic i-AutoX Inverter 1hp) set at 23deg : RM140

Total Savings of RM100

Other electrical unit running at home

1: Aquarium Chiller 1/10hp on 4ft tank set at 27deg
2: Aquarium light 4xT5 operation daily 11am to 11pm
3: Fridge (Mitsubishi) 24hr x 7 x all year round
4: Ceramic stove and HOB (Weekends only)
5: Water heater with pump (daily 2-4 times usage)
6: Cordless VAC - DC62


So yeah 50% savings maybe more...

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post Jul 3 2015, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(nanan75 @ Jul 3 2015, 02:55 PM)
Im contemplating changing to inverter also as my normal Daikin ac (2hp and 1hp) contributes to ard RM300 bill.

The RM240/RM140 is actual bill rite?  Not just from the AC..
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Yes Actual bill from TNB
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post Jul 4 2015, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 3 2015, 09:52 PM)
Usage pattern quite similar to mine, in excess of 10 hours. And yes, Panasonic Inverter have to set lower temperature setting versus non-inverter air con. Your findings is same as mine.

Do you feel any difference in terms of how fast the room cools down from when you turn it on?
Take into consideration that he on the air con in excess of 10 hours.. if 2 hours only, don't expect to see huge difference.
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Why i set mine to 23deg is cause i use econavi

If you read the manual the ac will run at 23deg and when low sunlight temp increase by 1deg and when you sleep low activity it will increase another 1deg so total when sleep it will increase to 25deg but before sleep it around 23 to 24deg

Want fast cooling turn on iautoX it is so called turbo mode
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post Jul 4 2015, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Jul 4 2015, 12:51 PM)
Are you trying to says that most of the people never read the manual properly whistling.gif
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Most of them YES

Cause most dont bother
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post Jul 5 2015, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 4 2015, 07:40 PM)
That's if you enable Econavi mode. I don't use Econavi and its still not as cool as other air cons.

Some people don't have the air con and have absolutely no clue what we're talking about.  rolleyes.gif
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I use econavi for comfort... I used to play pc games till quiye late sometime 3-4am... Old non inverter aircon i can feel my leg become very cold and chill as my body temperature lower and my activity is low... When i switch to inverter i play around with the functions... Found out when i set econavi on and play game to late night i feel comfortable... I dont feel the sudden leg chill as it increase the temp a little to compensate low activity and i feel more comfortable... Maybee you prefer very cold aircon but i have sinus case since young and i just need aircon to make me comfortable enough to sleep i cannot take too cold temp... So 25deg is jusyjust nice
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post Jul 5 2015, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(kb24 @ Jul 4 2015, 11:14 PM)
Do u guys actually test out which mode is the have the best saving? Haha.. i currently running my 1.5hp pana without any mode.. and do u guys turn off power when the nanoeg led still active even though u off it?
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Nanoe light on after your unit off indicating the unit is cleaning the ac filter... Do not turn off the main switch leave it run for another 1hr or 2 so your condencer fin is dry and clean from virus and mould...

See proove my case GO READ THE MANUAL!
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post Jul 5 2015, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 4 2015, 07:40 PM)
That's if you enable Econavi mode. I don't use Econavi and its still not as cool as other air cons.

Some people don't have the air con and have absolutely no clue what we're talking about.  rolleyes.gif
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Use iautoX mode for fast cooling... Also know that inverter temp is more accurate vs non inverter... So set 1 or 2 deg lower in inverter and still give you 50% savings... Ignore what the remote temp setting just set the number that give you the best comfort... Its just number... Hahaha... I found out my prefer temp setting is

Econavi ON, 23deg, fan full blast, fin in auto, dimmer ON, nanoe ON

iAutoX ON, 25deg, rest all Auto

Comfort Mode ON, 23deg, fan full blast, fin in auto, dimmer ON, nanoe on
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post Jul 5 2015, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 5 2015, 10:13 AM)
Seems like ur Pana Inverter got alot of functions to play with, my farking ME inverter just some plain basic fucntion. whistling.gif
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Depend my ME non inverter has lots of function too... Read the manual

Or maybee i usually buy the top of the range model...
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post Jul 6 2015, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(kb24 @ Jul 5 2015, 09:55 PM)
Haha.. i do read the manual, but the problem is when i turn off aircon and want to go for work, i usually will switch off and unplug (my habit).. but due to this nanoe stuff, i cannot power off it and have to wait 2hours.. so normally if i see the nanoe turn on when i off, i will restart the aircon and off it again.. the nanoe will off. It seem like nanoe will automatic perform the cleaning after 2 or 3 times of usage
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Depend how dirty the heat exchanger is... (Condenser unit) if it is wet and dirty nanoe will activate... just leave it plug in laa will not consume much on standby maybee you loose RM0.50 perday on standby...

Leave it to clean else got mould and bacteria smell... yuck...
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post Jul 6 2015, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 5 2015, 02:56 PM)
Mine slightly older model than yours, no iAutoX function. I just know turn on air con, set 23C and turn on powerful mode, still not as powerful as York Cooling King L.  rclxm9.gif
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York cooling king has higher consumption cause Compressor bigger... but dont like the quality... degrade very fast after 2yrs of use...

if not wrong Panasonic is the 2nd lowest power consumption for the compressor the first is LG if not mistaken... maybe this effect the cooling capacity as naturally compressor is smaller compare to the rest...



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post Jul 6 2015, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 6 2015, 10:32 AM)
Simply said, Pana cooling capacity is lower primarily due to cut cost, period.

Cooling quality is not solely depends on compressor, it also depends on the quality of the condenser, cooling coil, arrangement/density of the fin, with the latter component is much more important in cooling role than the compressor alone.
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Cant make everyone happy...

I dont think its cost cutting... since they did provide quite alot of features... more like business decision

You need to find balance between comfort and power usage and each manufacturer has different approach...

like car... some go for downsizing turbo (which is a trend) some put in Hybrid.... some decided to go with Lighter car and chasis...


for AC... you get this

1: Inverter technology...
2: Putting more sensor to help make intelligence decision to optimise power savings
3: The balance between compressor capacity (how big or how small) there is a formula but I'll leave this shit out

For Panasonic not bad actually Compressor is smaller and I get one of the most efficient AC compare to other inverter... the winner being LG but then its korean brand...

Sacrifice comfort... not really once I turn it on maybee it take 1min more to cool the room vs others but once stable it is pretty quiet and consistent on keeping everyone comfort... and the sensor really help...

Sacrifice some comfort for electricity savings...I can live with that...

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post Jul 6 2015, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 6 2015, 01:43 PM)
Sensors, electronic parts price are far more lower (can be negligible) than the mechanical parts (cooling coil, condenser fin) in an aircond. Remember, in an electrical appliances, plastic parts (which mostly made by crude oil) and all other mechanical parts (especially aircond which use alot of aluminiums in the construction) material cost are far more higher than the electronic part. In an aircond, the estimated BOM cost for electronic vs non electronic = 10% vs 90%, you weight yourself. But the appearance to the customer will be those 'high tech electronic features', that's why they need to include to impress ppl, in fact, those added features cost is almost negligible, just using 1 or 2 extra sensor and few software algorithm to achieve it, is almost free for them.

From your point of view, they sacrifice some comfort for electricity saving, but from the point of view of Pana, they sacrifice comfort for lower material cost, that's the fact, the electricity saving is just a 'by product' of their cut cost activity. Sorry if it sound offended, but naturally i don't have good impression on Pana product, becos i was a R&D electronic engineer in Pana for 5 years before, cut cost was their philosophy, especially now after they faced a huge deficit in their finance globally in year 2013, cut cost is their 1st priority, cost down or terminate business, and this is part of the reason i left the company.
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Everywhere there is cost cutting... nothing can be done about it....

Believe other manufacturer did the same shit... just that you are working for pana and you get the 1st hand view...

well at least spare parts are cheap...
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post Jul 7 2015, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(cedyy @ Jul 6 2015, 06:23 PM)
one was the first generation Panasonic aircond with ionizer back in 2001 and another was just 2 years ago. deluxe non inverter with econavi. for both, i spent close to 1k on repairs. enough to buy me another aircond. but what cheese me off is the poor technical support these days once ur aircond is over 1 year old. Panasonic gives u numbers to call and arrange yourself third party to come to repair. first number that i called, told me they're full for the next 3 weeks! second number that i called told me they don't service my area! wtf. i had to call back Panasonic and then they gave me two more numbers to call. 'fantastic' service
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No warranty???

Dont know about you but mine is 5 years warranty on both Compressor and Electronics...

QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 7 2015, 02:24 AM)
Save power but not cold. What for? I'll definitely buy inverter for my usage, but not Panasonic inverters.
Of course, compared to most people, I'm damn hot. We all have different tolerance for temperature. I cannot tahan panas.

Just don't cry and say not cold after you buy Panasonic Inverter.  rclxms.gif
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The Cooling is not that bad compare others.... it is not blowing HOT air laaa... just that the cooling performance is +/- 15 min vs others thats all... not like it will not cool your room at all... if you have the latest Panasonic with iAutoX (their so called TURBO mode) it has no difference as it has a boost mode that make the compressor spin faster for a short period of time to cool it down (if not mistaken 1hr turbo) it make no difference for me unless you are using old Model laaa

QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 6 2015, 10:16 PM)
Sorry to say, Pana and Sharp were the struggling company at the moment, especially Pana, the group is too huge, they step into too many sectors. But ask yourself, which area/sector Pana is the no.1 now? Heater? We know Joven and Alpha. Washer? We know Electrolux. Display? You know Sony, Sharp, Samsung. Fridge? We know sharp, Toshiba, LG. I only can name Panasonic in my 1st mind for ceiling fan (although alot of complaint for their remote and Bayu series) and stand fan, what else? It present in all categories, but the performance is not outstanding, and the price is premium. Until now you already can guess why Pana group record a highest financial lost in year 2013 since the Matsushita group established. Pana can survive today is mainly due to the strong foundation built by 'National' brand during 1980'-2000' era in Asia region. Reliability basically buried together with the National brand already. My father was the one who strongly support this brand during that time, that's why my hometown now still consist a 30 years old National 1HP aircond, 33 years old National fridge, 35 years old National Cassette Radio, 20 years National heater, almost 40 years National rice cooker and all these items were still perform the daily job well (Except aircond rarely open).
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If you say like this you are better off with Samsung and LG this 2 company is doing exceptionally great bet they Gold plate all internals biggrin.gif

QUOTE(silentsunami @ Jul 6 2015, 11:35 PM)
Buy inverter sure because of power saving feature. Now latest inverter aircon no need 7-8hours in order to save energy?

Fan sure got one, impossible open aircon 24x7x365
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My Panasonic Inverter (iAutoX) manage to cool my room in 1 hour (max 2Hr) and start to slow down compressor and fan... I believe the energy savings start after 2Hr... vs the old Inverter.... this technology has come quite a long way...

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post Jul 7 2015, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(cedyy @ Jul 7 2015, 11:39 AM)
standard warranty. one year for indoor unit and 5 for outdoor. Panasonic SOP now is.. once ur unit is more than 1 years old, they'll ask you to go call their contractors. looks like they outsource the repair work these days like Samsung. But Samsung at least will arrange the contractor to come repair unlike Panasonic who give you numbers and ask you to call yourself. this is bad customer service.
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My Panasonic is 5+5 (5 years compressor and 5 years Electronics) I option for additional warranty (add RM100) from SenQ

I only call SenQ contractor for all stuff cause they even work on weekend... Panasonic service tech only work on weekdays which add inconvenient for me... AL is precious hehehe...

After 5 years if kaput just throw away and get another one... doubt any modern electronics can last 10 years now...


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post Jul 7 2015, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 7 2015, 01:36 PM)
Not too right, nowadays like Miele & Bosch products still sales like hot cake.

Even the price can kills all
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Depend on what you are refering to Bosch laaa

I uses Dyson Vacuum they sell at premium and I can bet with you their technology is top there.... will you spend RM2800 for a Dyson cordless vacuum or RM500 for Electrolux cordless...

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post Jul 8 2015, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 7 2015, 04:27 PM)
Bosch made in China just a entry level only, for me I would go for Miele washer model 570 if I can.

But the selling price in SGD is $2700 wow cool
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You RICH bugger can laaaa

we Poor fella here also in Malaysia how many folks and afford high range brand...

Even I tell my friends my vac is a DYSON all them telling me I'm crazy to buy that hahaha

Panasonic is not a Luxury brand and their product is not target for luxury brand they are mass market product...



If you can afford a Merc S Class Good on you... but mass majority here cannot even afford a Recon C Class.... most driving Japs car or local laaa... Macam laaa all LYN here earn RM20k like you hehehe




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QUOTE(kelvyn @ Jul 8 2015, 01:54 PM)
Want to ask. Is it possible to tap the aircon power supply from a nearby power socket? It's for a new (1HP) split unit. Cos if I were to run a new one it will be very messy.
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Can provided the socket come from 1 single fuse... make sure the socket is not shared internally (Wire not split into few socket)
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post Jul 9 2015, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(kelvyn @ Jul 8 2015, 07:02 PM)
Unfortunately, I think this socket is being shared with another socket. It is used to power the computer.
Alternatively, can I take the power from a wall light point?
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Fuse will Blow or Wire will burn...

better not
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QUOTE(dolina @ Jul 9 2015, 04:38 AM)
1) How come inverter ACs need to be 0.5hp more than conventional ACs if we are cooling the same sized room

2) When does inverter ACs do not make sense?

3) Are there Malaysian websites that review ACs?
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Really??? did not know that also did not follow that... I replace my 1Hp non inverter with 1hp inverter only...

also maybee the recomendation is inorder to cool the room faster to acheive set temp and hence faster electricity savings can be acheived...

nah... no bother...
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post Jul 10 2015, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 10 2015, 12:28 AM)
How about a quiz.

100 sqft room. 1HP should be enough. If you were to use 1.5HP inverter, would you see power savings?

Since the air con is overkill, it would hit set temperature fast, and the inverter will keep the air con in low speed to maintain the temp.
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If you can afford a 1.5hp AC go ahead...

My apartment AC outdoor housing unit only can fit 2x 1hp AC so it is out for me...



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