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ozak
post Jun 27 2015, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jun 27 2015, 09:12 AM)
My room Aircon dripped a bit of water last night. Just like 8-10 drops then it stopped. Temp was set at 25C. I felt cold then reduced it to 26C. Is it too cold or not draining well?
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Water drain not fast enough? Need to tilt the aircon abit more. Use your level gauge check the aircon is really tilt to the drain pipe side.
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post Aug 2 2015, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Aug 2 2015, 12:26 PM)
If they can give you good price, why not?

If the price are similar to panasonic, and other brand use common brand easier for spare parts if need repair.

Don't really follow AC industry news, I just got update from my friend who are in HVAC business

There are many brand consumer think are "cold" but actually very common and strong in many segment.
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There is still many brand AC we never see before. Specially western country. Some are strong in certain sector.

Some AC type we think is old and no more, but actually is still popular in certain country. And produce by famous brand. Like window type AC.

Sometime we think we know a lot, but actually not.
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post Aug 2 2015, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(hjh87 @ Aug 2 2015, 11:55 AM)
Cause some supplier did recommend me carrier for my home, and I can't really find out the review about these air-cond. Not sure izit reliable or not, what I've know of that is Toshiba have been bought by carrier or vice versa in our region right right?
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Carrier is a famous and pioneer in aircon. The brand is an old as many famous brand. They have a factory in bangi. They do have very good technology aircon.

But I not sure what is the status now in local. Didn't follow much now after comeout from this industries.
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post Aug 2 2015, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Aug 2 2015, 05:02 PM)
Haha you know some people think know everything, and sound like used all the Ac in the world. Like frog underneath coconut shell. smile.gif
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Mr. Know it all - Kelly Jackson. tongue.gif

Some of the Panasonic aircon component manufacturing in Thailand that I visit recently.

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ozak
post Aug 17 2015, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Aug 15 2015, 12:01 PM)
Today just realise my previous non-inverter copper pipe thickness for the most bigger size to compare as recent installed with G23 gauge = 0.61mm thickness

For the most bigger was 12mm diameter but the thickness very thin for less than 0.51mm for gauge 25 only.

So you guys/gals would prefer upgrade from non-inverter gas R22 to R410A even non-inverter.

They will be leaking gas not longer time or break off sometime later at the bending corner.

Gas R22 vs R410A = gas pressure double up from R22.

My photos just taken now.
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So now you guys/gals have a guide to check your condo/consealed wall copper pipe should not look like the bigger copper that thin and at least slightly thicken than the bigger size.

So you have chance to install with R410a or inverter unit anytime.
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Dei, the 2 smaller pipe picture cannot tell the thickness. The copper pipe cutter cut the pipe and cause the edge of the pipe crumble in. That is not the actual thickness.

While the bigger pipe is using saw to cut.

At least clear out the burr of the small pipe before took the picture.
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post Aug 17 2015, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Aug 17 2015, 10:34 AM)
You are corrected.

We can't tells much, cause we are not the Aircon man.
Just look at profiles may slighly different.
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Later the people here go and argue with the aircon contractor because the pipe look different from your picture.
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post Aug 21 2015, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(tmc @ Aug 21 2015, 09:43 AM)
Thank you for the insight. I am trying to find the justification to go for the Hisense. RM500 is a lot of difference compared to RM1000. Apparently RM500 might be just 1 promotional unit, additional units could be higher price.
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It doesn't save your money. It is either you pay high price, save later or get low price, pay higher later.

It is up to you.
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post Aug 21 2015, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Aug 21 2015, 10:02 AM)
ozak, cheaper a/c no good? we need to keep budget low when we rent out out condos, of coz the a/c must be reliable as well. i think most a/c can last 5-10yrs without issue.
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If you just rent out, apa also can lah.

What I mean is the usage of power consumption. Breakdown and maintenance also need to consider.

You can't see such a saving later or pay high later if you don't have using experience for comparison. Specially new owner.

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post Aug 21 2015, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(tmc @ Aug 21 2015, 10:03 AM)
There is some truth in what you say. But as far as aircond is concerned, I tend to believe usage is another BIG factor. If the place is a very dusty area, it tends to break down faster due to lack of scheduled cleaning and maintenance. And it happens that the breakdown is on a cheaper brand, people tend to think say "you see, it's cheap brand, so it breaks down!". Breakdown on the more expensive brand, people will say "yeah, I only got the breakdown now, if cheaper brand if would have breakdown earlier!"

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Breakdown is very much how you use it and takecare.

The others factor you cannot control is the electronic thing. And this of course depend you get the cheap or good aircon.

The main factor for aircon saving is the power consumption. Your house bill no.1 is the aircon consumption.
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post Aug 26 2015, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Aug 26 2015, 03:46 PM)
Yes ah, that's why we recommend u change the extra filter every 3 months. The outcome of fine dust trap at xtra filter or cooling coil are same, also lead to high consumption, the only different is when the xtra filter blocked, i just change the filter for less than RM5 (I whole piece can make 4 sheets), but if your cooling coil blocked, you need to dismantle and cleaned, after dismantle sure your gas need to refill, cost will be at least RM200, so you choose lo.
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When you put in the extra filter, it already block some figure of airflow. That is not include the dust fill up and block it later.

Dismantle the unit and wash the condenser doesn't require to fill the gas again.
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post Aug 26 2015, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Aug 26 2015, 03:55 PM)
I will avoid dismantle condenser and blowing fan if possible. I rather change my filter every month if i really worry about blockage. You actually can buy a filter and try look through it, a layer of filter isn't as restricted as you thought.
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Dismantle the unit down and wash is a 2yrs annual cleaning. This is done by the service guy.

Normal every mth is just vacuum and filter cleaning. Have been practice this for over 15yrs.

I have this filter in my store room for other purpose. Just like aeiou123, I have sceptical to put it on the aircon.
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post Aug 26 2015, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Aug 26 2015, 04:45 PM)
Well, dust and fur will stick on the condenser and absorb water when your aircond is turn on, and you have almost no chance to dry it off if you turn ON aircond everyday. You need to pray hard the condenser fin is made by high quality aluminium which is inert to corrosion.
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I sleep with aircon ON for 8hr everyday for 18yrs. My formula service is working fine so far. The aircon is already running for 8yrs. It will be schedule to take down and service next yrs.

Once a while, I dismantle the cover and pump spray clean the condenser myself. Don't see any corrosion at all.

Aluminium doesn't corrode that easily. Unless kena acid. It only oxidize when expose long to outdoor.
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post Aug 26 2015, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 26 2015, 06:17 PM)
Ozak, I planing to buy this aircon cleaning water container from taobao. Around RMB19 to RMB33. Then buy the cooling coil cleaner in spray can from Mr DIY to diy cleaning without taking the indoor unit down. If you want to tumpang and share the shipping cost, let me know. 
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I have the similar big plastic bag to catch the dirt water for cleaning. Brought it many yrs ago from live depot in 1U. It come with the hand spray and cleaner solution. The solution is use up now. And I just use any detergent.

But the spray is a hand spray which quite tired to use. I get a 2L garden pressure pump from ACE. The 1 with the hose type. Easy to use and stronger. It can reach into the rotor fan too and blast the dirt out from the fin.
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post Aug 26 2015, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Aug 26 2015, 06:20 PM)
Use it won't be 100% clean and water can't reach 100% on the back of fins
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I would said 80%-90% can be clean. It take me 2-3hr everytime doing this kind of cleaning. Twice a yrs.
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post Aug 26 2015, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 26 2015, 06:17 PM)
Ozak, I planing to buy this aircon cleaning water container from taobao. Around RMB19 to RMB33. Then buy the cooling coil cleaner in spray can from Mr DIY to diy cleaning without taking the indoor unit down. If you want to tumpang and share the shipping cost, let me know. 
Using this --> http://airconcare.com/pages/hydrophilic-cleaning-solution
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post Aug 26 2015, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 26 2015, 06:45 PM)
Oh... you already have it. Easy to clean ?? Mr DIY got sell the foaming spray can type. After sprayed then use pressure pump to cleanse it. Saw Youtube tutorial seems pretty easy.  hmm.gif
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The foaming type don't need water to rinse it. Spray the foam, wait few minute and ON the air on. It will flow down to the drain and out to the pipe. But the fan rotor remain dirty which cause the airflow reduce.

For easiness, it is moderate. It will take 2-3hr to complete. More to intensive cleaning. If you have 3 aircon, it will be whole day job.
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post Aug 27 2015, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(cucubud @ Aug 27 2015, 07:35 AM)
I am interested in this item.
How much is it if 2 of us group together?
This is good for cleaning the blower.

I clean the cooling fins with water and a paint brush every month.
The dirty water will flow down the drain. No issue here.

I also clean the blower with water and brush, but the dirty water dripped onto the floor.
I used an old bath towel to catch the dirty water. Still got a lot of dirt drop onto the floor.
I don't clean the blower every month. Only when it is full of dirt and the air flow is low.

This item is a good replacement to the bath towel to catch the dirty water.

Let me know how much in total.
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You can reduce your aircon dust on the filter and condenser. Seal all your window and door gap. Specially window to the outside. It also help your room cool faster and reduce your bill.

My aircon filter even 1mth have very less dust accumulate.
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post Sep 6 2015, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Aug 29 2015, 04:37 PM)
every mth filter cleaning? i am lazy and busy lol.. i even planning to clean filter every 6 mths. thinking using daiso filter if no need to clean the original filter
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Here is the filter condition. 3.5month didn't takeout for clean. Lazy mode + busy schedule.

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Closeup on the coil after takeout the dirty filter.

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After detergent wash the filter and vacuum the coil.

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So do I need to pay extra for an additional filter every month?
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post Sep 6 2015, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Sep 6 2015, 01:54 PM)
kimsim said if with daiso filter hence no need to clean the filter.just use and throw.save our time.time is money.
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That is your choice if you think it benefit you.
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post Sep 15 2015, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Sep 15 2015, 02:13 PM)
Just saw this post. Good read.
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Actually I long understand about this. biggrin.gif

I just show them the picture how does it look even 3.5mth I didn't clean the filter and aircon. I don't need to clean it everymonth.

My solution is to seal up the room properly. It give double benefit as

1) less dust into the room and to the filter.
2) save the bill as no cold air is leak out from the room.

The theory is as simple as air pressure different between outside and inside the room that cause the dust suck in from outside.

So putting the extra filter doesn't really solve the problem. Your room still full of dust.



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