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post Dec 19 2020, 02:26 AM, updated 6 months ago

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Official SSD Discussion Thread V7


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Introduction
A solid-state drive (SSD, sometimes improperly referred to as a "solid-state disk", or "electronic disk") is a data storage device that uses integrated circuit assemblies as memory to store data persistently. SSD technology uses electronic interfaces compatible with traditional block input/output (I/O) hard disk drives. SSDs do not employ any moving mechanical components, which distinguishes them from traditional magnetic disks, such as hard disk drives (HDDs), or floppy disks, which are electromechanical devices containing spinning disks and movable read/write heads. Compared to electromechanical disks, SSDs are typically less susceptible to physical shock, are silent, and have lower access time and latency, but are relatively more expensive per unit of storage. The prices have continued to decline since 2012.

In general, SSDs share the I/O interface technology developed for hard disk drives, thus permitting simple replacement for most applications. New technology that is designed specifically for SSDs, NVME, has also become common in recent years. They make use of PCI-e to deliver even higher performance and throughputs.

Most SSDs use NAND-based flash memory, which retains data without power. For applications requiring fast access, but not necessarily data persistence after power loss, SSDs may be constructed from random-access memory (RAM). Such devices may employ separate power sources, such as batteries, to maintain data after power loss. Between the two, 3D XPoint is a viable potential technology.

Hybrid drives combine the features of SSDs and HDDs in the same unit, containing a large hard disk drive and an SSD cache to improve performance of frequently accessed data. These devices may offer near-SSD performance for many applications.

The SSD Optimization Guide
https://www.thessdreview.com/wp-content/cac...de-2/index.html
2018 version, https://www.thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/opt...imization-2018/

SSD related Tools and Ultilities
AS SSD Benchmark, https://www.alex-is.de/PHP/fusion/downloads...4&download_id=9
CrystalDiskMark, https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskmark/
ATTO Disk Brench, https://www.atto.com/disk-benchmark/
SSDlife, https://ssd-life.com/eng/download-ssdlife.html
HDDTune, http://www.hdtune.com/download.html

Reference and Sources
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive

Common SSD Firmware and Updates
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Tutorials & FAQs about SSD (Solid State Drive)

Updated on 23 August 2017
Some corrections on the answers provided from websites

So what is it that makes an SSD so much faster than an HDD?
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I have read that SSDs have very limited write cycles, and they don't last long. Is this true?
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I have read that SSDs slow down after prolonged use. Is this true?
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How does Internal Secure Erase work on an SSD?
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Over-provisioning. What is it, and how does it work?
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Why do smaller capacity SSDs tend to be slower than higher capacity drives?
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What about services or programs in my operating system such as indexing, pre-fetching, write-caching, defrag etc?
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What is TRIM?
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What settings do I need to adjust in my system BIOS for optimal SSD performance?
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Are SSDs compatible with SATA I & II ?
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What is the difference between SLC and MLC flash memory chips?
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If I'm using an older OS such as Vista or XP, will I still get the performance benefits of SSDs?
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What is the life expectancy of my SSD?
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How can I move my data onto my new SSD?
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How long will my SSD last?
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Does benchmarking my SSD decrease lifespan?
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Will my SSD get hot?
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Do I need to format my SSD? Why doesn't the drive appear in "My Computer" (Windows) or in "Finder" (Mac)?
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The FAQs continue on here with YouTube videos.
I do realize sometimes it is hard to understand by just read all of the sources through websites/articles. So some short videos are provided below, and hope that they can help to save you some time by just watching tongue.gif .

What is Intel Optane?
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SSD Flash Memory - MLC, TLC, and SLC
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3D NAND as Fast As Possible
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The Intel SSD Advantage
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SSD vs Hard Drive Performance
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Windows 7 install and SSD upgrade
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How to properly configure the SSD as boot drive and HDD as storage drive
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How to Transfer your Boot Drive to your New Intel SSD - Data Migration
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What is TRIM and Why Does Your SSD Need It?
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The benefits of using a SSD
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heck , my kingston A400 120GB not even 1year

health already drop till 44% =.=.

Might as well use HDD better. 3 years still 100%.

Which good SSD good for OS drive ?
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hi there, is there anyone here ever encounter with frozen security with ssd? my hynix 128gb oem encounter this problem and cannot use at other pc or use as portable because cannot be format.
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QUOTE(ahbenggay @ Dec 19 2020, 07:23 PM)
heck , my kingston A400 120GB not even 1year

health already drop till 44% =.=.

Might as well use HDD better. 3 years still 100%.

Which good SSD good for OS drive ?
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how bout crucial brand... are you looking sata ssd or nvme? sata also good.. cheap and decent



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QUOTE(ahbenggay @ Dec 19 2020, 07:23 PM)
heck , my kingston A400 120GB not even 1year

health already drop till 44% =.=.

Might as well use HDD better. 3 years still 100%.

Which good SSD good for OS drive ?
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it's a good thing. now it's a good timing to replace it with those at larger capacities (480gb or more).

for os drive, get a larger capacity (480gb or more), with multiple-layer tlc 3d nand and ddr type of dram cache.

QUOTE(Clan204 @ Dec 20 2020, 12:15 AM)
hi there, is there anyone here ever encounter with frozen security with ssd? my hynix 128gb oem encounter this problem and cannot use at other pc or use as portable because cannot be format.
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my old sandforce-based fujitsu oem ssd had this issue before, due to my mishandling. i use it with usb-based external enclosure. i did a power recycling with it (meaning, turn a pc off; connect it to power cable only, without sata cable connected. boot the pc; let it run a while. then, turn the pc off again, and unplug the ssd from the pc)

after the power recycling, the oem drive could be accessed properly (data was lost; but i had backups), so i just reformatted it, and gave it a good 15% over-provisioning. that 240gb mlc-based sata ssd is still working fine until today.
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QUOTE(ahbenggay @ Dec 19 2020, 07:23 PM)
heck , my kingston A400 120GB not even 1year

health already drop till 44% =.=.

Might as well use HDD better. 3 years still 100%.

Which good SSD good for OS drive ?
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Like I said on many threads on DRAMless SSD. Its crap.

Crucial MX500, Samsung 860 Evo (only up to 500GB) and Kingston KC600 for SATA.

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Dec 20 2020, 03:22 PM)
Like I said on many threads on DRAMless SSD. Its crap.

Crucial MX500, Samsung 860 Evo (only up to 500GB) and Kingston KC600 for SATA.
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yes, warnings have been given repeatedly afaik. i'm not sure why people still don't get it.

in a typical nand-based ssd, dram is an essential component. taking this away from this optimal equation means something has to be used to replace its roles. in dram-less ssds, this means nand itself will be used to do the jobs of dram. of course it will work fine, but the side effects are also obvious.

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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 20 2020, 03:18 PM)
my old sandforce-based fujitsu oem ssd had this issue before, due to my mishandling. i use it with usb-based external enclosure. i did a power recycling with it (meaning, turn a pc off; connect it to power cable only, without sata cable connected. boot the pc; let it run a while. then, turn the pc off again, and unplug the ssd from the pc)

after the power recycling, the oem drive could be accessed properly (data was lost; but i had backups), so i just reformatted it, and gave it a good 15% over-provisioning. that 240gb mlc-based sata ssd is still working fine until today.
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will try this at home tonight. thx for the feedback
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QUOTE(Clan204 @ Dec 20 2020, 05:30 PM)
will try this at home tonight. thx for the feedback
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more information regarding these locked ssds are available if you looked up with keywords 'locked ssd power cycle', such as this one, https://dfarq.homeip.net/fix-dead-ssd/

note that it's really a hit or miss. the key for this to work is still to make the disk to be detected and accessed properly by a system first. but this part depends on luck, so good luck.

what i did to mine was to clean it up with diskpart, then perform a quick format. everything is ok since then.
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I have a question, i would like to make my lightroom catalog portable. So i am thinking of getting a Orico 2.5" usb c enclosure + dram-less sata3 ssd.

Is it recommended to pick a dramless for an "external" drive, which purpose to work somehow like a scratch disk?
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QUOTE(perfect10 @ Dec 20 2020, 06:50 PM)
I have a question, i would like to make my lightroom catalog portable. So i am thinking of getting a Orico 2.5" usb c enclosure + dram-less sata3 ssd.

Is it recommended to pick a dramless for an "external" drive, which purpose to work somehow like a scratch disk?
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imo the better option would be connecting the ssd to your system via sata connection, because sata has more bandwidth than a usb-c connection.

however, for the sake of portability, yes you can do that. as long as you are aware of and understand weaknesses of dram-less ssds, you know what to expect, since it's intended as a scratch disk.

if you also use it as data storage, just make sure the data has backups.
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WD SN850 1TB promo right now. RM1149. MSRP RM1499.

https://www.lazada.com.my/catalog/?q=WD+SN8....75f82e7esnEW5C
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I managed figured what happened on the new SSD. The sata port i connected to is not the port provided by x570 chipset, it is provided by asmedia chipset, hence it can't achieve the advertised speed.

After changed to the sata port provided by x570 chipset, the speed can reach advertised speed.

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QUOTE(ahbenggay @ Dec 19 2020, 07:23 PM)
heck , my kingston A400 120GB not even 1year

health already drop till 44% =.=.

Might as well use HDD better. 3 years still 100%.

Which good SSD good for OS drive ?
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What do you expect from a DRAMless drive with low quality NAND and controller? laugh.gif

Go for a quality one like the Crucial MX500/Samsung 860 EVO tongue.gif
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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 20 2020, 04:05 PM)
yes, warnings have been given repeatedly afaik. i'm not sure why people still don't get it.

in a typical nand-based ssd, dram is an essential component. taking this away from this optimal equation means something has to be used to replace its roles. in dram-less ssds, this means nand itself will be used to do the jobs of dram. of course it will work fine, but the side effects are also obvious.
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There's also the issue of write amplification, which is very common on DRAMless SSDs icon_idea.gif
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Sorry if wrong thread, but anyone got experience buying SSD from taiwan seller? hmm.gif

I found this guy selling at RM400+ for Kingston A2000 1TB instead of local price at RM470.
https://shopee.com.my/Kingston-A-2000-Nvme-...0262.6837393318

Was thinking of buying one. Reviews points to okay (even got someone show benchmark) but I wonder how come some of these from taiwan can sell for cheap? Risks? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Stirmling @ Dec 21 2020, 04:10 PM)
Hello
Sorry if wrong thread, but anyone got experience buying SSD from taiwan seller? hmm.gif

I found this guy selling at RM400+ for Kingston A2000 1TB instead of local price at RM470.
https://shopee.com.my/Kingston-A-2000-Nvme-...0262.6837393318

Was thinking of buying one. Reviews points to okay (even got someone show benchmark) but I wonder how come some of these from taiwan can sell for cheap? Risks? hmm.gif
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I bought one before this year for a different nvme and different Taiwan store also from Shopee, cost RM4xx. No issue, didn't pay custom tax and took about 1 week to arrived. Only issue would be warranty. If product fake or didn't arrived you can always claim Shopee Guarantee.
If you ballpark RM400+ 1tb nvme i suggest you go for Adata SX8200 pro.
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QUOTE(december88 @ Dec 21 2020, 04:38 PM)
I bought one before this year for a different nvme and different Taiwan store also from Shopee, cost RM4xx. No issue, didn't pay custom tax and took about 1 week to arrived. Only issue would be warranty. If product fake or didn't arrived you can always claim Shopee Guarantee.
If you ballpark RM400+ 1tb nvme i suggest you go for Adata SX8200 pro.
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i see..
so the risk is mostly for warranty lah then? hmm.gif
well probably gonna go for this guy's A2000, otherwise shop around for some other guy's adata then hmm.gif

Will check at SX8200 Pro in the meantime.
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QUOTE(Stirmling @ Dec 21 2020, 04:48 PM)
i see..
so the risk is mostly for warranty lah then? hmm.gif
well probably gonna go for this guy's A2000, otherwise shop around for some other guy's adata then hmm.gif

Will check at SX8200 Pro in the meantime.
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read on first or second page.... on sx8200 pro... i suggest you get crucial
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QUOTE(Stirmling @ Dec 21 2020, 04:10 PM)
Hello
Sorry if wrong thread, but anyone got experience buying SSD from taiwan seller? hmm.gif

I found this guy selling at RM400+ for Kingston A2000 1TB instead of local price at RM470.
https://shopee.com.my/Kingston-A-2000-Nvme-...0262.6837393318

Was thinking of buying one. Reviews points to okay (even got someone show benchmark) but I wonder how come some of these from taiwan can sell for cheap? Risks? hmm.gif
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Add RM29 more for Transcend MTE220S 1TB at RM499 from Viewnet. 2200TBW endurance rating. A country mile more TBW.
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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Dec 21 2020, 05:18 PM)
read on first or second page.... on sx8200 pro... i suggest you get crucial
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what was the post specifically? hmm.gif
sorry, this thread is quite long to sift through sweat.gif
googling gives me this change in controller info only (swapping SM2262EN with the SM2262G) and slower NAND (?).
dunno i'll notice this tho hmm.gif
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/..._to_the_sx8200/

specifically aiming for NVME replacement for my current samsung 970 (or 960? forgot model, later i'll check) 256GB
now wanna expand to 1TB so i could put a bit more stuff in there.
not really aiming for high-end, i guess around A2000 performance is sufficient (2000MB/s+ etc) hmm.gif

if the SX8200 Pro is no good then i'll think again hmm.gif

QUOTE(TristanX @ Dec 21 2020, 05:29 PM)
Add RM29 more for Transcend MTE220S 1TB at RM499 from Viewnet. 2200TBW endurance rating. A country mile more TBW.
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well saw that as well while searching, backed a bit after seeing price difference. i probably wont notice the difference for anything above 2000MB/s honestly hmm.gif
A2000 1TB is rated for 600TBW, i don't think i'll write that much tbh. even if i write 100TB per year, it'll still take 6 years to reach that 600TBW. 2200TBW might've been overkill sweat.gif


And I guess I'm posting here mostly because of unsure if SSD from Taiwan can be trusted or not. Price diff very high wor. 400 vs 470+, tempting sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Stirmling @ Dec 21 2020, 05:47 PM)
what was the post specifically? hmm.gif
sorry, this thread is quite long to sift through sweat.gif
googling gives me this change in controller info only (swapping SM2262EN with the SM2262G) and slower NAND (?).
dunno i'll notice this tho hmm.gif
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/..._to_the_sx8200/

specifically aiming for NVME replacement for my current samsung 970 (or 960? forgot model, later i'll check) 256GB
now wanna expand to 1TB so i could put a bit more stuff in there.
not really aiming for high-end, i guess around A2000 performance is sufficient (2000MB/s+ etc) hmm.gif

if the SX8200 Pro is no good then i'll think again hmm.gif
well saw that as well while searching, backed a bit after seeing price difference. i probably wont notice the difference for anything above 2000MB/s honestly hmm.gif
A2000 1TB is rated for 600TBW, i don't think i'll write that much tbh. even if i write 100TB per year, it'll still take 6 years to reach that 600TBW. 2200TBW might've been overkill sweat.gif
And I guess I'm posting here mostly because of unsure if SSD from Taiwan can be trusted or not. Price diff very high wor. 400 vs 470+, tempting sweat.gif
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can consider Corsair Force (need check price) / WD black... but pricey sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Stirmling @ Dec 21 2020, 05:47 PM)
what was the post specifically? hmm.gif
sorry, this thread is quite long to sift through sweat.gif
googling gives me this change in controller info only (swapping SM2262EN with the SM2262G) and slower NAND (?).
dunno i'll notice this tho hmm.gif
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/..._to_the_sx8200/

specifically aiming for NVME replacement for my current samsung 970 (or 960? forgot model, later i'll check) 256GB
now wanna expand to 1TB so i could put a bit more stuff in there.
not really aiming for high-end, i guess around A2000 performance is sufficient (2000MB/s+ etc) hmm.gif

if the SX8200 Pro is no good then i'll think again hmm.gif
well saw that as well while searching, backed a bit after seeing price difference. i probably wont notice the difference for anything above 2000MB/s honestly hmm.gif
A2000 1TB is rated for 600TBW, i don't think i'll write that much tbh. even if i write 100TB per year, it'll still take 6 years to reach that 600TBW. 2200TBW might've been overkill sweat.gif
And I guess I'm posting here mostly because of unsure if SSD from Taiwan can be trusted or not. Price diff very high wor. 400 vs 470+, tempting sweat.gif
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Basically i can see you already decided for Kingston A2000 1TB. If you don't care about warranty then go ahead. About whether the seller trusted or not it is quite obvious judging from the ratings he received (50+).
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QUOTE(llk @ Dec 21 2020, 06:04 PM)
Basically i can see you already decided for Kingston A2000 1TB. If you don't care about warranty then go ahead. About whether the seller trusted or not it is quite obvious judging from the ratings he received (50+).
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okay then thumbsup.gif

i've just checked, my current SSD is Samsung PM981
i'll shop around abit for similar specs lah icon_rolleyes.gif

also checked that in 2 years of use my SSD has about 16.5TB of writes in total.
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QUOTE(Stirmling @ Dec 21 2020, 07:58 PM)
okay then  thumbsup.gif

i've just checked, my current SSD is Samsung PM981
i'll shop around abit for similar specs lah  icon_rolleyes.gif

also checked that in 2 years of use my SSD has about 16.5TB of writes in total.
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Samsung PM981 if not mistaken it is similar to 970 EVO.
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QUOTE(Stirmling @ Dec 21 2020, 07:58 PM)
okay then  thumbsup.gif

i've just checked, my current SSD is Samsung PM981
i'll shop around abit for similar specs lah  icon_rolleyes.gif

also checked that in 2 years of use my SSD has about 16.5TB of writes in total.
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saw someone at garage sales sell it.. buy 1 free 1 if i not mistaken.. or promo finish

QUOTE(llk @ Dec 21 2020, 08:05 PM)
Samsung PM981 if not mistaken it is similar to 970 EVO.
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yea... it is similar...
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Any thoughts on this ssd?
https://www.klevv.com/ken/products_details/...as_C710_SSD.php

How do I know if this has dram or not
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QUOTE(Patent @ Dec 22 2020, 04:49 PM)
Any thoughts on this ssd?
https://www.klevv.com/ken/products_details/...as_C710_SSD.php

How do I know if this has dram or not
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No DRAM, as NVME SSD can utilized HMB which will still give it a good performance vs SATA SSD without DRAM.
https://www.techpowerup.com/267378/klevv-in...10-m-2-nvme-ssd

But the read/write speed is not impressive for pcie gen 3 x4 product.

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looking to get 500GB ssd for to replace my faulty 2nd drive
cheapest i can see is kingston 480gb but not sure how reliable it is

any others to recommend?
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looking to get 500GB ssd for to replace my faulty 2nd drive
cheapest i can see is kingston 480gb but not sure how reliable it is

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ok reliable enough.
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QUOTE(waghyu @ Dec 22 2020, 11:29 PM)
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or should i add rm100 for mx500?
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tiny difference.

or go nvme on pcie slot, huge leap.
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QUOTE(waghyu @ Dec 23 2020, 12:30 AM)
tiny difference.

or go nvme on pcie slot, huge leap.
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this 2nd drive for gaming/storing files
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my OS already on ssd #1
this 2nd drive for gaming/storing files
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Normal hdd can achieve sustained rw 200-250 MB/sec

Take cheaper ssd 1TB or 2TB is ok, need too high end.
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Hi people, would like to look for M.2 PCIe NVME SSD with 2TB size.

I have researched awhile, just found out the ADATA XPG SX8200 PRO 2TB which was my original choice, is not good anymore as Adata changed its nand and controller to a more inferior one.

Any other suggestion for a good SSD? Am looking at SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS, but the size seems only 1TB and the price is expensive nia cry.gif
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QUOTE(rurushu @ Dec 24 2020, 12:19 PM)
Hi people, would like to look for M.2 PCIe NVME SSD with 2TB size.

I have researched awhile, just found out the ADATA XPG SX8200 PRO 2TB which was my original choice, is not good anymore as Adata changed its nand and controller to a more inferior one.

Any other suggestion for a good SSD? Am looking at SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS, but the size seems only 1TB and the price is expensive nia  cry.gif
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Look for Transcend MTE220S 2TB at RM1099 from Viewnet. PNY CS3030 2TB can be around around RM1.1k.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Dec 24 2020, 12:24 PM)
Look for Transcend MTE220S 2TB at RM1099 from Viewnet. PNY CS3030 2TB can be around around RM1.1k.
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I plan to change my Dell Latitude 7480 SSD to 1 TB. According to the specification it requires M2. SSD and compatible with PCIe NVME or M2 SATA. Any recommended brand and model for SSD at middle range price? Using for work mostly office job
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Guys. please recommend me a 512GB of NVME for Thinkbook 13s.

Which model you guys using now?
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Guys. please recommend me a 512GB of NVME for Thinkbook 13s.

Which model you guys using now?
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This one very cheap.

https://shopee.com.my/PNY-XLR8-SSD-M.2-2280...2673.6154785086
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Hi, can recommend ssd with rgb blink blink effect? Mine just died suddenly yesterday..

Nvme form. For os drive. Budget less than 500
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Hi, can recommend ssd with rgb blink blink effect? Mine just died suddenly yesterday..

Nvme form. For os drive. Budget less than 500
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I don't recommend RGB SSDs due to potential overheating concerns (see: HyperX Fury RGB SSD) icon_idea.gif

Also, RGB LEDs + M.2 NVME drives (which can get quite hot) = bad for thermals IMHO icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Dec 26 2020, 11:18 PM)
Note: The PNY drive is a double sided drive (which mean the chips are on both sides of the PCB), which may not fit on certain laptops (usually those slim and light models) icon_idea.gif
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Guys. please recommend me a 512GB of NVME for Thinkbook 13s.

Which model you guys using now?
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...which exact Thinkbook 13s model is that? hmm.gif
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In light of the ADATA 8200 Pro downgrading, what's the go-to alternative for the price vs performance sweet spot with NVME drives? I presume the HP EX950 since it has a similar controller etc to the 8200 Pro?
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Did see tier list SSD in this thread before or previous... is it still the same? or it was similar as below hmm.gif

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Dec 27 2020, 10:27 AM)
In light of the ADATA 8200 Pro downgrading, what's the go-to alternative for the price vs performance sweet spot with NVME drives? I presume the HP EX950 since it has a similar controller etc to the 8200 Pro?
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Yea,.... it is if according to the tier list... also using same Nand manufactur hmm.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Dec 27 2020, 12:03 AM)
I don't recommend RGB SSDs due to potential overheating concerns (see: HyperX Fury RGB SSD) icon_idea.gif

Also, RGB LEDs + M.2 NVME drives (which can get quite hot) = bad for thermals IMHO icon_idea.gif
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Pny cs3030
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Dec 26 2020, 11:18 PM)
TQ. I KIV for next big sales.

QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Dec 27 2020, 12:06 AM)
...which exact Thinkbook 13s model is that? hmm.gif
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there are 2 models of Thinkboosk 13s?
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if 500gb ssd and i partition it to 400gb and leave 100gb unused.
the lifespan & speed can maintain longer then full partition 500g or die faster due to limited range ?
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if 500gb ssd and i partition it to 400gb and leave 100gb unused.
the lifespan & speed can maintain longer then full partition 500g or die faster due to limited range ?
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its read/write cycle.. not the space...

based on logic.. if you have e.g 100TB of data to write.. if you write to 400GB instead to 500GB.. then yes, you tend to fail faster as each sector is written more on 400GB
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QUOTE(ktek @ Dec 28 2020, 09:35 AM)
if 500gb ssd and i partition it to 400gb and leave 100gb unused.
the lifespan & speed can maintain longer then full partition 500g or die faster due to limited range ?
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this is called over-provisioning. it's used to maintain speed and prolong shelf life of nand flash.

have a look at this, https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/globa...White-paper.pdf

that's why we buy ssds that have higher capacities than expected. we will do over-provisioning of 10 to 25%, or more, depending on what they are used for.

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Dec 28 2020, 09:44 AM)
its read/write cycle.. not the space...
based on logic.. if you have e.g 100TB of data to write.. if you write to 400GB instead to 500GB.. then yes, you tend to fail faster as each sector is written more on 400GB
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very clear example. i affraid this happen cry.gif

QUOTE(horns @ Dec 28 2020, 11:39 AM)
this is called over-provisioning. it's used to maintain speed and prolong shelf life of nand flash.
have a look at this, https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/globa...White-paper.pdf
that's why we buy ssds that have higher capacities than expected. we will do over-provisioning of 10 to 25%, or more, depending on what they are used for.
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rupa nya the correct name is OP.
i like to increase OP
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Dec 27 2020, 08:01 PM)
there are 2 models of Thinkboosk 13s?
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There are four models according to Lenovo support:

ThinkBook 13s G2 ARE Laptop

ThinkBook 13s G2 ITL Laptop

ThinkBook 13s-IML Laptop

ThinkBook 13s-IWL Laptops


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how to play OP:

if you are working backwards you can always create the spare area partition, format it to TRIM it, then delete the partition.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/6489/playing-with-op
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QUOTE(ktek @ Dec 28 2020, 03:03 PM)
how to play OP:

if you are working backwards you can always create the spare area partition, format it to TRIM it, then delete the partition.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/6489/playing-with-op
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yes, the key to do for OP is to leave some unallocated space, so that user have no access to it, but controller does.

this is a basic thing to do for nand-based ssds.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Dec 28 2020, 03:02 PM)
There are four models according to Lenovo support:

ThinkBook 13s G2 ARE Laptop

ThinkBook 13s G2 ITL Laptop

ThinkBook 13s-IML Laptop

ThinkBook 13s-IWL Laptops
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wait whaaaaat?!!

ok, mine is 13s-IWL
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Samsung 970 evo plus 2tb 341 usd incl shipping (1.3k only)

Is it ok to buy via amazon? Here sell 2.3k

Customs etc tax ada?
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 30 2020, 11:35 PM)
Samsung 970 evo plus 2tb 341 usd incl shipping (1.3k only)

Is it ok to buy via amazon? Here sell 2.3k

Customs etc tax ada?
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U see? That price already included import tax, Amazon will collect that amount.

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U see? That price already included import tax, Amazon will collect that amount.

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Which is why is tempting. If packaged properly and work properly

My other option is buy gen4 nvme (way cheaper than 970 evo plus of our shops) i. E aorus gen4 or mp600 2tb at 1.6k

Why our shops sell 2.3k T_T
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I am planning to get an orico 2.5" sata + MX500 ssd to be used like an external storage disk. This SSD is DRAM, should be ok right? How about TRIM? Will external casing enable TRIM?

purpose of usage
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- as a scratch disk for adobe premier (working off directly off the external)
- to work off lightroom catalog, preview and smart preview directly off the external

Will the above ssd brand be durable to last long enough?
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QUOTE(lanusb @ Jan 2 2021, 01:17 PM)
I am planning to get an orico 2.5" sata + MX500 ssd to be used like an external storage disk. This SSD is DRAM, should be ok right? How about TRIM? Will external casing enable TRIM?

purpose of usage
- picture and video storage
- as a scratch disk for adobe premier (working off directly off the external)
- to work off lightroom catalog, preview and smart preview directly off the external

Will the above ssd brand be durable to last long enough?
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you can just use it as is. when it goes slow, just back up files, clean everything with diskpart, reformat it, make OP, and then restore the files. the frequency to do this varies depending on your usage.

durability is related to usage, and capacity of the drives. i think 1tb should last you for a while.

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thanks for the suggestion bro, so I don't have to splurge 3x the prices for those "dedicated" external storage devices ya
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Dec 30 2020, 11:50 PM)
Which is why is tempting. If packaged properly and work properly

My other option is buy gen4 nvme (way cheaper than 970 evo plus of our shops) i. E aorus gen4 or mp600 2tb at 1.6k

Why our shops sell 2.3k T_T
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Samsung drives are overpriced here, so just go for other brands instead tongue.gif
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For a 250GB or 500GB internal SSD, is Samsung currently the best choice considering its price? Am using Samsng 860EVO for almost 5 years already without any problems so far, and planning to add on some more to my storage capacity soon
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QUOTE(lanusb @ Jan 2 2021, 04:29 PM)
thanks for the suggestion bro,  so I don't have to splurge 3x the prices for those "dedicated" external storage devices ya
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How often do you update drivers for storage devices?

I dont think I've ever done it before.
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How often do you update drivers for storage devices?

I dont think I've ever done it before.
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Is there any list of recommended ssds in malaysia market?
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Is there any list of recommended ssds in malaysia market?
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M.2 PCIE 4.0:
Only WD Black SN850 1TB at RM1149 promo price.

M.2 PCIE:
PNY CS3030
Transcend MTE220S
Corsair MP510

M.2 SATA or regular SATA:
Crucial MX500
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is NVME backward compatibility?
Let's say the laptop is using NVME M2 SSD, can downgrade to SATA M2 SSD? or subject to the motherboard?

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jan 7 2021, 04:48 PM)
is NVME backward compatibility?
Let's say the laptop is using NVME M2 SSD, can downgrade to SATA M2 SSD? or subject to the motherboard?
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NVMe SSD is not compatible with SATA. You need to check the specs for older boards. Not all of them supports.

If you are talking about the socket, depends on the motherboard. Most boards today supports both.

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I bought WD SN850 1Tb as boot drive for my coming pc build

am thinking of adding another nvme 1tb as extra space for games installation and download/torrent drive

should I go for a cheaper gen4 ssd, or gen3 ssd?
or go big with another SN850 laugh.gif

I passed on the SN850 2Tb because i rather have 2 separate drives
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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Jan 7 2021, 05:33 PM)
I bought WD SN850 1Tb as boot drive for my coming pc build

am thinking of adding another nvme 1tb as extra space for games installation and download/torrent drive

should I go for a cheaper gen4 ssd, or gen3 ssd?
or go big with another SN850  laugh.gif

I passed on the SN850 2Tb because i rather have 2 separate drives
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Errr, best to go with high TBW SSDs like Transcend MTE220S and double-sided M.2 heatsink. SSD doesn't like too many writes from downloads and torrents.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jan 7 2021, 05:39 PM)
Errr, best to go with high TBW SSDs like Transcend MTE220S and double-sided M.2 heatsink. SSD doesn't like too many writes from downloads and torrents.
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I see hmm.gif

what if not for downloads/torrents? just purely install games/software
I have a WD 1Tb Blue HDD, might use that for downloads/torrents instead
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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Jan 7 2021, 05:43 PM)
I see  hmm.gif

what if not for downloads/torrents? just purely install games/software
I have a WD 1Tb Blue HDD, might use that for downloads/torrents instead
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For games in HDD, loading is slow and certain games will facing stuck issue, for example Shadow of Tomb Raider.

All this issue eliminate after change to SSD.

Now I only use HDD for storing documents, song and movies only.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jan 7 2021, 05:45 PM)
For games in HDD, loading is slow and certain games will facing stuck issue, for example Shadow of Tomb Raider.

All this issue eliminate after change to SSD.

Now I only use HDD for storing documents, song and movies only.
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u misread my sentence laugh.gif
I mean I would assign downloads/torrents job to the HDD, still want a recommendation for the secondary SSD as games/software drive icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Jan 7 2021, 05:47 PM)
u misread my sentence  laugh.gif
I mean I would assign downloads/torrents job to the HDD, still want a recommendation for the secondary SSD as games/software drive  icon_rolleyes.gif
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M.2 PCIE 4.0:
Only WD Black SN850 1TB at RM1149 promo price.

M.2 PCIE:
PNY CS3030
Transcend MTE220S
Corsair MP510

M.2 SATA or regular SATA:
Crucial MX500
Kingston KC600
Samsung 860 Evo (only up to 500GB)
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May I know why the 860 EVO is only recommended up to 500GB?
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May I know why the 860 EVO is only recommended up to 500GB?
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Because 1TB onwards is stupidly overpriced.
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Just placed an order for the CS3030 1TB drive and saw it comes installed with a heat spreader on top. I am using a B460 Tomahawk that has its M.2 Shield Frozr, and was wondering if I can install the M.2 shield directly on top of the CS3030 with heat spreader? I also saw some reviews saying that the M.2 shield actually increases temp, but that appears to be an older version. Thanks!
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this is not good :/ https://sea.pcmag.com/storage/41434/intel-d...s-for-consumers

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Saw the price is similar with crucial p2 and mx500
Any catch on p2? Less reliable?
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end of Optane
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jan 20 2021, 12:55 PM)
Saw the price is similar with crucial p2 and mx500
Any catch on p2? Less reliable?
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P2 is dramless nvme..... id rather get mx500
P2 is lower tier than mx500
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Awww this suck doh.gif shakehead.gif
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end of Optane
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i really hope not. previously i thought crucial will do something about it. nothing happened :/

QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 21 2021, 12:48 PM)
Awww this suck doh.gif shakehead.gif
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yeah. 3d x-point is good stuff, with damn high endurance ratings. all they need to do is to enhance speed. with that decision, it means we need to pay the price of dc grade optane ssds if we wanna use 3d x-point technology.

i guess they thought professionals have pci-e 4.0 nand-based nvme ssds covered.
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Hi. what's the best 1tb ssd options for storage drive? will be using it in a laptop, i don't need much performance. already have separate drive for OS
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Hope is there anyone kind enough to suggest ssd upgrade for old laptop. Prefer ssd with dram and 3d nand ?

Saw Kingston, WD, Seagate also comes out with many type of ssd too. I'm looking for 2.5 factor with budget less than rm250.... Thanks in advance 😊😊
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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Jan 21 2021, 10:57 AM)
P2 is dramless nvme..... id rather get mx500
P2 is lower tier than mx500
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if i want to store games only is dramless nvme is okay?
looking for 500gb with price around rm250 just to store my games.
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QUOTE(bonez_xy @ Jan 24 2021, 10:21 AM)
if i want to store games only is dramless nvme is okay?
looking for 500gb with price around rm250 just to store my games.
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DRAMless NVME not so bad as DRAMless SATA due to having HMB for mapping table but still not as good as NVME with DRAM
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In this paper, we studied the effects and roles of the HMB in commercial DRAM-less SSDs that support the HMB feature. We first experimentally showed that commercial DRAM-less SSDs have worse I/O performance than SSDs with internal DRAM, but they can improve it when using the HMB feature of NVMe. Because the internals of SSDs is usually not known, we also presented several methods that can analyze experimentally how the HMB is used to improve the I/O performance in DRAM-less SSDs. Experimental results show that DRAM-less SSDs used in our works mainly use the HMB for caching the address mapping table rather than the read cache or write buffer.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?i...al.pone.0229645


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M.2 PCIE 4.0:
Only WD Black SN850 1TB at RM1149 promo price.

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M.2 SATA or regular SATA:
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I can't find much review on this, seems like not really famous compared wd n crucial.
Am looking for 1tb nvme below rm500 now
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May i know why u suggest the mte220s more than crucial p2 n wd sn550? Is it more reliable?
I can't find much review on this, seems like not really famous compared wd n crucial.
Am looking for 1tb nvme below rm500 now
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Same performance as Corsair MP510. Both using same controller. Insanely high TBW rating.
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since every PC related thing has gone more expensive, is SSD going to be more expensive?
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jan 30 2021, 10:34 AM)
since every PC related thing has gone more expensive, is SSD going to be more expensive?
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somehow, in amazon, sabrent rocket m2 nvme cost rm700+ for 1tb nod.gif

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Is this speed acceptable? This is pcie x2 only

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Is this speed acceptable?  This is pcie x2 only

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That's slow. This is the 512GB rated speed

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sigh, my system should also be pci gen 3 since the cpu is intel gen 7, but it is not even half your speed!  Where did I go wrong as I don't see any other option to make it faster.
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What's your motherboard model?
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QUOTE(gedebe @ Jan 31 2021, 11:03 PM)
sigh, my system should also be pci gen 3 since the cpu is intel gen 7, but it is not even half your speed!  Where did I go wrong as I don't see any other option to make it faster.
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That's the WD SN520 512GB specification.
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Did you install the drivers?
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It's a notebook with M.2 SSD / PCIe NVMe, PCIe 3.0 x 2, 16Gb/s
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correct me if i am wrong, there is no driver for nvme storage and i cant even find one?
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Other brand you need check for yourself =D
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QUOTE(gomok @ Feb 2 2021, 10:57 AM)
I'm planning to upgrade my current m.2 NVME 1TB setup by adding another 1TB 2.5" SSD to store games (Steam, Origin etc).

What's a good 2.5" SSD 1TB brand out there? Specifically value for money ones. Thanks LYN!
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NVMe Samsung 950 Pro 1TB & WD SN850 1TB is the best so far, tested both.
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Hi. what's the best 1tb ssd options for storage drive? will be using it in a laptop, i don't need much performance. already have separate drive for OS
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adding another 1TB 2.5" SSD to store games
Get 2TB instead. Then you won't have to worry about running out of space
Unless you're the type who just install lots of games to make it seems like your PC has a lot of games ready to be played but most of the time you don't actually play all of them whistling.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Feb 3 2021, 10:44 AM)
Get 2TB instead. Then you won't have to worry about running out of space
Unless you're the type who just install lots of games to make it seems like your PC has a lot of games ready to be played but most of the time you don't actually play all of them whistling.gif
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Haha. Games collection are quite large, especially the EA Play games (Currently playing a lot of sports games). Not including personal & family pictures / videos as well.

2TB might be required, but looking at the current pricing, not much of a different getting 1TB now and then adding another one later. I think so? Or am I not making any sense haha.
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QUOTE(gomok @ Feb 3 2021, 11:34 AM)
Not including personal & family pictures / videos as well.
Photos & videos just use HDD lar, no need SSD laugh.gif
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Photos & videos just use HDD lar, no need SSD laugh.gif
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I think I'll get a Crucial MX500 1TB just to standby. The NVME almost full
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I copy 40GB of data from my external SSD into my PC SSD. the copy window data transfer rate looks like this. what does it mean? is it normal?

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QUOTE(gomok @ Feb 3 2021, 11:34 AM)
Haha. Games collection are quite large, especially the EA Play games (Currently playing a lot of sports games). Not including personal & family pictures / videos as well.

2TB might be required, but looking at the current pricing, not much of a different getting 1TB now and then adding another one later. I think so? Or am I not making any sense haha.
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Feb 3 2021, 10:27 PM)
I copy 40GB of data from my external SSD into my PC SSD. the copy window data transfer rate looks like this. what does it mean? is it normal?

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At first it is max speed as the files that being read but not yet written is placed in cache first, due to the actual write speed is slower. After the cache is full then it will show the actual write speed. Cache can be either DRAM on SSD or PC's RAM, depends on your SSD model.

What is the average top speed and the average slow speed? What's your PC's SSD model?
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Feb 4 2021, 09:02 AM)
At first it is max speed as the files that being read but not yet written is placed in cache first, due to the actual write speed is slower. After the cache is full then it will show the actual write speed. Cache can be either DRAM on SSD or PC's RAM, depends on your SSD model.

What is the average top speed and the average slow speed? What's your PC's SSD model?
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didn't check the speed (exact values). Patriot Burst 240GB.
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QUOTE(zorbyss. @ Feb 4 2021, 12:33 AM)
For NVME and value, How about SX8200 Pro. Some might worry about the change of slower controller. I took a leap of faith with the 2TB, fortunately it came with the original controller. Heard that it affect the 1TB model though.
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What do you think if I upgrade my current 1TB NVME to SX8200 Pro 2TB? Then the current 1TB NVME put in a casing as an external drive? sweat.gif
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What do you think if I upgrade my current 1TB NVME to SX8200 Pro 2TB? Then the current 1TB NVME put in a casing as an external drive?  sweat.gif
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I copy 40GB of data from my external SSD into my PC SSD. the copy window data transfer rate looks like this. what does it mean? is it normal?

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Normal, Samsung Pro series dont have this issue or a least bigger size data no issue like this.
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Feb 4 2021, 09:21 AM)
didn't check the speed (exact values). Patriot Burst 240GB.
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http://computeruniverse.discount/computeru...-pbu120gs25ssdr

Same as your case. After the cache is full it shows the actual write speed of Patriot's SSD. Normal loading programs or open files won't feel the impact but when copy GBs of files it's not as fast as other better SSD.
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haha finally PSU 750W decided 2 die off 4 good

so grab a new PSU 850W at the same time saw a gaygay 512GB M2 slot on the shop display shelf

i kasi sapu all together hahahaha cukur my 6 years old mobo still got one spare M2 slot 2 fit inside

laugh.gif ok or not price RM279 for an M2 512GB laugh.gif

QUOTE(sHawTY @ Feb 3 2021, 10:44 AM)
Unless you're the type who just install lots of games to make it seems like your PC has a lot of games ready to be played but most of the time you don't actually play all of them whistling.gif
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haha my steam got 500 games but with only 750GB of SATA/M2 storage i end up only downloading 5 that i actively play every weekend laugh.gif laugh.gif

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I've noticed that silicon power has raised their price, do anyone know why:
https://shopee.com.my/Silicon-Power-A55-SSD...7911.2072535684

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QUOTE(gedebe @ Feb 10 2021, 03:11 AM)
I've noticed that silicon power has raised their price, do anyone know why:
https://shopee.com.my/Silicon-Power-A55-SSD...7911.2072535684
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do you monitor it with one seller or overall? could be low supply high demand? or just one seller.. hmm.gif
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do you monitor it with one seller or overall? could be low supply high demand? or just one seller.. hmm.gif
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this is the seller the most for silicon power ssd or even any ssd, i don't think anyone can beat him.
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QUOTE(gedebe @ Feb 10 2021, 03:11 AM)
I've noticed that silicon power has raised their price, do anyone know why:
https://shopee.com.my/Silicon-Power-A55-SSD...7911.2072535684
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Got demand now for pc parts, every PC shop jacking up prices. Nothing can escape it unfortunately sad.gif
Even RAM increasing prices now, although RAM prices was at all-time low few months ago.

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I want to upgrade to nvme ssd by using ssd adapter as well as wifi6 adapter.. Can i use those 2 pcie slot in the pic (lite blue)?

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QUOTE(gedebe @ Feb 10 2021, 03:11 AM)
I've noticed that silicon power has raised their price, do anyone know why:
https://shopee.com.my/Silicon-Power-A55-SSD...7911.2072535684
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128GB was RM55 during sale. RM60 without sale.
price is now crazy
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QUOTE(nuekkacak @ Feb 11 2021, 11:53 AM)
I want to upgrade to nvme ssd by using ssd adapter as well as wifi6 adapter..  Can i use those 2 pcie slot in the pic (lite blue)?

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Those are PCI slots, not PCIe slots, and so the SSD adapter and the WiFi 6 card will not work on it icon_idea.gif

Note that the white and black PCIe slots operate at PCIe 2.0 x8/x4 respectively, if you have a discrete GPU installed on the first slot (i.e. the dark blue PCIe slot) icon_idea.gif

The white PCIe slot will run at PCIe 2.0 x8, which gives you a theoretical maximum of 4GB/s speeds (or equivalent PCIe 3.0 x4) icon_idea.gif
On the other hand, the black PCIe slot will run at PCIe 2.0 x4, which translates to a maximum of 2GB/s speeds icon_idea.gif

Do note that PCIe to NVMe adapters may not work properly due to the BIOS may not handle booting from PCIe storage correctly, and you may need to use certain tools like Clover UEFI to work:
https://www.win-raid.com/t2375f50-Guide-NVM...der-method.html

That being said, a WiFi 6 adapter should work fine as long as you have the correct drivers for it icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 12 2021, 02:15 AM)
Those are PCI slots, not PCIe slots, and so the SSD adapter and the WiFi 6 card will not work on it icon_idea.gif

Note that the white and black PCIe slots operate at PCIe 2.0 x8/x4 respectively, if you have a discrete GPU installed on the first slot (i.e. the dark blue PCIe slot) icon_idea.gif

The white PCIe slot will run at PCIe 2.0 x8, which gives you a theoretical maximum of 4GB/s speeds (or equivalent PCIe 3.0 x4) icon_idea.gif
On the other hand, the black PCIe slot will run at PCIe 2.0 x4, which translates to a maximum of 2GB/s speeds icon_idea.gif

Do note that PCIe to NVMe adapters may not work properly due to the BIOS may not handle booting from PCIe storage correctly, and you may need to use certain tools like Clover UEFI to work:
https://www.win-raid.com/t2375f50-Guide-NVM...der-method.html

That being said, a WiFi 6 adapter should work fine as long as you have the correct drivers for it icon_idea.gif
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Tqvm master.. So i only have option with normal sata ssd..

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Tqvm master.. So i only have option with normal sata ssd..
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WD Blue ssd SN550 1tb going for rm450 is it worth?
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QUOTE(pcbuilder420 @ Feb 11 2021, 01:26 AM)
Got demand now for pc parts, every PC shop jacking up prices. Nothing can escape it unfortunately sad.gif
Even RAM increasing prices now, although RAM prices was at all-time low few months ago.
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Haha this suck laugh.gif

Everything goes up except median salary doh.gif

QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Feb 12 2021, 02:10 PM)
That's perfectly fine, as the real world difference between SATA and NVME are not very large to say the least icon_idea.gif
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Haha just buy nvme for future proof

QUOTE(yujin86 @ Feb 12 2021, 08:53 PM)
WD Blue ssd SN550 1tb going for rm450 is it worth?
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I buy nvme 512gb just rm280

So just go go bah hahaha

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Haha this suck laugh.gif

Everything goes up except median salary doh.gif
Haha just buy nvme for future proof
I buy nvme 512gb just rm280

So just go go bah hahaha
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Adata XPG SX8200 Pro switched parts again.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-swi...rmance-impacted
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Feb 17 2021, 12:41 PM)
Adata XPG SX8200 Pro switched parts again.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-swi...rmance-impacted
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Lol... daheck. Test market?
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Feb 17 2021, 12:41 PM)
Adata XPG SX8200 Pro switched parts again.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-swi...rmance-impacted
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How much slower are we expecting? I read the article is about 10%?
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QUOTE(mois @ Feb 19 2021, 09:37 AM)
How much slower are we expecting? I read the article is about 10%?
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read comments, some its 30.8% slower.. sweat.gif
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Crucial MX500 2TB SATA for portable external backup... overkill...? I do weekly backup with it, mostly around 150GB a time...

I would go all out 4TB if not becoz of the exorbitant price for 860 EVO, and MX500 tops out at 2TB only.

And 4TB 2.5" internal HDD can't get locally without buying those complete external solution aka enclosures, since I got plenty enclosures lying around.
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Is ADATA XPG SSD SX8200 ok? Want something that last long. Aiming for WD Black SN750 but if the Adata is ok, i'll take it since cheaper.
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Is ADATA XPG SSD SX8200 ok? Want something that last long. Aiming for WD Black SN750 but if the Adata is ok, i'll take it since cheaper.
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how many gb?
alt can consider Corsair - MP510
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QUOTE(hirano @ Feb 20 2021, 03:34 AM)
Is ADATA XPG SSD SX8200 ok? Want something that last long. Aiming for WD Black SN750 but if the Adata is ok, i'll take it since cheaper.
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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-swi...rmance-impacted

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/..._to_the_sx8200/

Depends if you can accept the performance decrease.
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how many gb?
alt can consider Corsair - MP510
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Seeking 500gb. But the 1tb also i feel tempted if price is ok
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Seeking 500gb. But the 1tb also i feel tempted if price is ok
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Bigger drive with DRAM usually have longer life span, to further reduce data written to SSD, you have to move your download folder to somewhere else,
they can be network drive or external drive.
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QUOTE(hirano @ Feb 20 2021, 12:11 PM)
Seeking 500gb. But the 1tb also i feel tempted if price is ok
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i bet that corsair is the best price currently out there.
or PNY CS2130.... pretty good tier SSD along with corsair.
others kinda bad...
i saw in amazon, sabrent rocket 4 cost 700+ for 1tb.. even great.. lol...
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QUOTE(hirano @ Feb 20 2021, 03:34 AM)
Is ADATA XPG SSD SX8200 ok? Want something that last long. Aiming for WD Black SN750 but if the Adata is ok, i'll take it since cheaper.
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Too late now, it was way better during Q2/Q3 last year
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/...sd_performance/

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How long does it take to check for bad blocks on a 500GB ssd?
I'm currently running badblocks command (via linux) to check because Ubuntu>Disks say it has 32 bad sectors. badblocks has been running for 4 hours now. Is this to be expected?

Regret didn't use -sv. Only use -v. Dunno the percentage of progress rclxub.gif
UPDATE: I cancel it via ^c. Seems like 5 hours for 30 percent (based on my interpretation on the block number)

FYI, currently the drive is connected via USB2.0 (in ext hdd case)

https://superuser.com/questions/240641/how-...-on-a-1tb-drive
^ Looks like it's gonna take more than a day rclxub.gif

https://superuser.com/questions/919844/is-t...-for-bad-blocks
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Is my SSD dying? Reallocated sector count = 32 (20hex)
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Feb 28 2021, 02:59 PM)
How long does it take to check for bad blocks on a 500GB ssd?
I'm currently running badblocks command (via linux) to check because Ubuntu>Disks say it has 32 bad sectors. badblocks has been running for 4 hours now. Is this to be expected?

Regret didn't use -sv. Only use -v. Dunno the percentage of progress  rclxub.gif
UPDATE: I cancel it via ^c. Seems like 5 hours for 30 percent (based on my interpretation on the block number)

FYI, currently the drive is connected via USB2.0 (in ext hdd case)

https://superuser.com/questions/240641/how-...-on-a-1tb-drive
^ Looks like it's gonna take more than a day  rclxub.gif

https://superuser.com/questions/919844/is-t...-for-bad-blocks
There is no free candy  cry.gif

Is my SSD dying? Reallocated sector count = 32 (20hex)
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AFAIK that's not how SSD is determined to be dying. The bad sectors part. hmm.gif
My Crucial® SSD has Bad Sectors.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Feb 28 2021, 05:43 PM)
AFAIK that's not how SSD is determined to be dying. The bad sectors part. hmm.gif
My Crucial® SSD has Bad Sectors.
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my reallocated sector count increasing bye.gif
it also cannot be formatted. i try with gparted. format it to ntfs. looks like the operation success because i can copy file into it. after unplug the drive and plug back in, it's not ntfs anymore (back to raw). bangwall.gif
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Feb 28 2021, 07:10 PM)
my reallocated sector count increasing  bye.gif
it also cannot be formatted. i try with gparted. format it to ntfs. looks like the operation success because i can copy file into it. after unplug the drive and plug back in, it's not ntfs anymore (back to raw).  bangwall.gif
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Maybe the port unstable power? Try use port with USB3 or at the back, that is on mobo?

I see the SSD still new, maybe see after few days, if not then need RMA
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Feb 28 2021, 07:48 PM)
Maybe the port unstable power? Try use port with USB3 or at the back, that is on mobo?

I see the SSD still new, maybe see after few days, if not then need RMA
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tried with usb2, usb3, even usb-c

decided to give it a dedicated thread: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5109941 icon_question.gif

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is there any substantial update regarding directstorage? been needing a 2TB ssd for a while but i held back in case 4.0 would finally make a difference for my usage.
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QUOTE(Fizzy-Fiz @ Mar 5 2021, 06:58 PM)
is there any substantial update regarding directstorage? been needing a 2TB ssd for a while but i held back in case 4.0 would finally make a difference for my usage.
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MThe Game Stack Live event will take place on April 21 and 22, where we will know more precisely the dates on which these new technologies will make their arrival on PC

But then the game itself need to support directstorage.
PCIE gen 3 also can benefit from directstorage, it would really suck if MS decide to only support for gen 4.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Mar 5 2021, 08:25 PM)
MThe Game Stack Live event will take place on April 21 and 22, where we will know more precisely the dates on which these new technologies will make their arrival on PC

But then the game itself need to support directstorage.
PCIE gen 3 also can benefit from directstorage, it would really suck if MS decide to only support for gen 4.
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thanks man. seems like the wait continues.
for sure it will support gen 3, im just looking for excuses to spend money
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Hello SSD sifus, can I please get some help on deciding which SSD that would fit to my current laptop?

I currently have ARES V laptop by Illegear with this for the storage

1st M.2 Solid State Drive: 500GB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
2nd M.2 Solid State Drive: None
1st 2.5" SATA Drive: None

Now I'm looking through Shoppee for 1TB SSD to add to the second slot to increase my storage size.

Would any of these be ok?

1) https://shopee.com.my/Silicon-Power-NVMe-PC...7911.7443997652

2) https://shopee.com.my/Silicon-Power-NVMe-PC...7911.2095142026

Apologies if this is not the place to ask.
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QUOTE(ozezaichi @ Mar 11 2021, 04:10 PM)
Hello SSD sifus, can I please get some help on deciding which SSD that would fit to my current laptop?

I currently have ARES V laptop by Illegear with this for the storage

1st M.2 Solid State Drive: 500GB M.2 PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
2nd M.2 Solid State Drive: None
1st 2.5" SATA Drive: None

Now I'm looking through Shoppee for 1TB SSD to add to the second slot to increase my storage size.

Would any of these be ok?

1)  https://shopee.com.my/Silicon-Power-NVMe-PC...7911.7443997652

2)  https://shopee.com.my/Silicon-Power-NVMe-PC...7911.2095142026

Apologies if this is not the place to ask.
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Look for Transcend MTE 220S or PNY CS3030. Nothing else.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 11 2021, 04:42 PM)
Look for Transcend MTE 220S or PNY CS3030. Nothing else.
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Thank you for the suggestion! Now in between those 2, would one of them be better than the other? Or just the same?
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Thank you for the suggestion! Now in between those 2, would one of them be better than the other? Or just the same?
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MTE220S got higher endurance. Both using same controller though.
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is this chip controller "Silicon Motion SM2262ENG" on my 2TB adata sx8200 pro still a good chip, coz i just purchase this nvme ssd last 2 week only.
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PNY CS3140 on sale. Up to 7500MB/s Read, 6850MB/s Write.

https://shopee.com.my/PNY-XLR8-CS3140-M.2-2...6817.7579886661

Got heatsink and 5 years 1 to 1 exchange warranty.

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https://www.pny.com/cs3140-m2-nvme-ssd

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 22 2021, 01:44 PM)
Got heatsink and 5 years 1 to 1 exchange warranty.
Downside: Heatsink comes pre-installed
Cannot remove the heatsink because PNY will void the warranty

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maybe will have heatsink-less version later hmm.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Mar 22 2021, 02:00 PM)
Downside: Heatsink comes pre-installed
Cannot remove the heatsink because PNY will void the warranty

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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Mar 22 2021, 02:13 PM)
maybe will have heatsink-less version later  hmm.gif
From PNY official website, they do said there's one without heatsink
But PNY Shopee store is not selling them
QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 22 2021, 02:45 PM)
Still, 5 years one to one. Just buy and use it.
A big no-no for me
I want something without a heatsink so I can use the original heatsink that comes with my motherboard so it doesn't spoil the overall look of my system

Suddenly got a hole on the motherboard, especially on the X570 Aorus Xtreme or Z590 Aorus Xtreme motherboards, so ugly wei sweat.gif
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Want to ask opinion on the sx6000 pro, looking for a nvme m.2 pcie, around 256gb.

Usage is for operating system for accounting. So will be running some spreadsheet, powerpoint and the laptop to bring out for presentation purpose only.

Is this sx6000 pro a better choice or a2000 kingston because it has dram?
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QUOTE(dinokun @ Mar 28 2021, 12:32 PM)
Want to ask opinion on the sx6000 pro, looking for a nvme m.2 pcie, around 256gb.

Usage is for operating system for accounting. So will be running some spreadsheet, powerpoint and the laptop to bring out for presentation purpose only.

Is this sx6000 pro a better choice or a2000 kingston because it has dram?
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A2000 does look better. But I didn't go through it's specs.
Also can check out Transcend and PNY.

In addition to DRAM, check it's read and write speed, endurance and period warranty.
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Forget what I said. Wrong model.

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Does anyone realize that the new crop of pcie 4 ssd comes with lousy endurance ? aorus 7000s is one of them. i think the pny 3140 with roughly the same although it's not even mentioned in pny's product sheet. They''re worse than the first gen of pcie 4 ssd in endurance.
Still nothing beats the intel optane in endurance.
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QUOTE(targon @ Apr 9 2021, 12:07 PM)
Does anyone realize that the new crop of pcie 4 ssd comes with lousy endurance ? aorus 7000s is one of them. i think the pny 3140 with roughly the same although it's not even mentioned in pny's product sheet. They''re worse than the first gen of pcie 4 ssd in endurance.
Still nothing beats the intel optane in endurance.
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nand-based and 3d xpoint are different technologies. we all see potentials in 3d xpoint, and we thought options would be available for consumer markets from intel (and maybe micron), until they announced that they stopped doing that this year. iinm micron also stopped 3d xpoint development, and puts itts fab up for sale after that.

i think it's still ok, since nand-based pcie ssds have more than typical users need. for now. just pick the right ones and be happy


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QUOTE(targon @ Apr 9 2021, 12:07 PM)
Does anyone realize that the new crop of pcie 4 ssd comes with lousy endurance ? aorus 7000s is one of them. i think the pny 3140 with roughly the same although it's not even mentioned in pny's product sheet. They''re worse than the first gen of pcie 4 ssd in endurance.
Still nothing beats the intel optane in endurance.
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Majority of people disagrees due to high price. So Intel discontinues it.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-kil...cements-planned
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 9 2021, 12:43 PM)
Majority of people disagrees due to high price. So Intel discontinues it.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-kil...cements-planned
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it would be great if they continue to offer smaller-capacity units (240g to 512g).

yes, the price is expensive, but it can still be an option for consumers, especially pro-sumers. there are plenty of ways to play with such sizes.


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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 9 2021, 01:05 PM)
it would be great if they continue to offer smaller-capacity units (240g to 512g).

yes, the price is expensive, but it can still be an option for consumers, especially pro-sumers. there are plenty of ways to play with such sizes.
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Well...when Optane 905p 480GB sells at USD920, its hard to swallow.

https://www.newegg.com/intel-optane-ssd-905...N82E16820167457

The next best was Samsung 970 Pro 512GB. Currently selling at around RM700. Now we have PCIE 4.0 SSD too.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 9 2021, 01:33 PM)
Well...when Optane 905p 480GB sells at USD920, its hard to swallow.

https://www.newegg.com/intel-optane-ssd-905...N82E16820167457

The next best was Samsung 970 Pro 512GB. Currently selling at around RM700. Now we have PCIE 4.0 SSD too.
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yes i got it, about its high price and competitions that they are in; there are plenty of options available with cheaper price and much better performance.

i just hope they continue to offer as an option in consumer space. well, no hope already now.







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after looking at local market for 2tb pcie nvme ssds, i think mte220s from transcend is good deal, with that crazy endurance ratings, and price point.

edit: viewnet at lyp has good deals. bought 2x 2tb hehe


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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 9 2021, 04:41 PM)
after looking at local market for 2tb pcie nvme ssds, i think mte220s from transcend is good deal, with that crazy endurance ratings, and price point.

edit: viewnet at lyp has good deals. bought 2x 2tb hehe
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How good deal is it??🤔
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Hi all, Anyone know why the Crucial Storage Executive can't run? This is a fresh copy of win10 installed. I then installed Storage Executive but when trying to open the software, it won't run.
Also how to check the warranty of a Crucial SSD?
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Hey guys, what is the current most bang-for-buck SATA SSD you'd recommend getting? Cant go for m.2 due to using old motherboard.
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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Apr 11 2021, 04:09 PM)
Hi all, Anyone know why the Crucial Storage Executive can't run? This is a fresh copy of win10 installed. I then installed Storage Executive but when trying to open the software, it won't run.
Also how to check the warranty of a Crucial SSD?
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maybe you should check event viewer and see what's wrong after you run cse

about warranty, maybe you can check out the support page of crucial ssd for more information. locally, there are few shops that offer warranty claims with a fee

QUOTE(euphoriaa @ Apr 11 2021, 04:40 PM)
Hey guys, what is the current most bang-for-buck SATA SSD you'd recommend getting? Cant go for m.2 due to using old motherboard.
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check here.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jan 7 2021, 03:20 PM)
M.2 PCIE 4.0:
Only WD Black SN850 1TB at RM1149 promo price.

M.2 PCIE:
PNY CS3030
Transcend MTE220S
Corsair MP510

M.2 SATA or regular SATA:
Crucial MX500
Kingston KC600
Samsung 860 Evo (only up to 500GB)
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May I know the reason Samsung 860 Evo is only recommended up to 500GB?

Thought of getting the 1TB version at around RM600 before reading about this.
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QUOTE(euphoriaa @ Apr 11 2021, 07:32 PM)
May I know the reason Samsung 860 Evo is only recommended up to 500GB?

Thought of getting the 1TB version at around RM600 before reading about this.
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it's been answered also, https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=99532541

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 11 2021, 07:49 PM)
I see. Thanks!

Not sure about the price before this, but current price for the 500 GB is around RM300, 1TB = RM600, which I would say is pretty fair isn't it? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(euphoriaa @ Apr 11 2021, 07:59 PM)
I see. Thanks!

Not sure about the price before this, but current price for the 500 GB is around RM300, 1TB = RM600, which I would say is pretty fair isn't it?  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(euphoriaa @ Apr 11 2021, 07:59 PM)
I see. Thanks!

Not sure about the price before this, but current price for the 500 GB is around RM300, 1TB = RM600, which I would say is pretty fair isn't it?  tongue.gif
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RM689 at the time of writing.

Crucial MX500 1TB at RM465 with no effort of checking for cheaper ones.

https://shopee.com.my/-%F0%9F%94%B1HIGH-PER...4711.5848246252
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RM689 at the time of writing.

Crucial MX500 1TB at RM465 with no effort of checking for cheaper ones.

https://shopee.com.my/-%F0%9F%94%B1HIGH-PER...4711.5848246252
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The MX500 does seems like a really good buy here.

Just thought would the samsung have better reliability, performance & brand image?
Seeing that you have 2 MX500 1TB, would you care to share your experience with them thus far? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(euphoriaa @ Apr 11 2021, 08:40 PM)
The MX500 does seems like a really good buy here.

Just thought would the samsung have better reliability, performance & brand image?
Seeing that you have 2 MX500 1TB, would you care to share your experience with them thus far?  biggrin.gif
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Its fast for a SATA SSD drive. Samsung have more TBW endurance though. You can do more writes on Samsung.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 11 2021, 07:57 PM)
maybe you should check event viewer and see what's wrong after you run cse

about warranty, maybe you can check out the support page of crucial ssd for more information. locally, there are few shops that offer warranty claims with a fee
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Thanks. As for the warranty, nothing much on Crucial's website except for RMA.
Just check under windows log\applications, nothing related to CSE. I even tried clearing logs and run CSE but nothing showed on the event log.


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Thanks. As for the warranty, nothing much on Crucial's website except for RMA.
Just check under windows log\applications, nothing related to CSE. I even tried clearing logs and run CSE but nothing showed on the event log.
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i found this, https://www.crucial.com/content/dam/crucial...ranty-a4-en.pdf

for better understanding, you should try contact crucial at fb also, or simply email them
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 11 2021, 11:21 PM)
i found this, https://www.crucial.com/content/dam/crucial...ranty-a4-en.pdf

for better understanding, you should try contact crucial at fb also, or simply email them
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Thank you.
Regarding CSE, seems a lot of complain on forum that it do not work on latest Win10.
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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Apr 12 2021, 10:54 AM)
Thank you.

Regarding CSE, seems a lot of complain on forum that it do not work on latest Win10.
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if this is the case, then just wait for updates. since it's a known issue that has been reported by many.

as long as the ssds work fine, it's ok to run the system without it.



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Looking to buy a 500-512GB NVME drive, with an eye for general performance and lifespan within RM400 or less. Avoiding ADATA due to all their stealth downgrades with the SX8200 Pro. I have a HP EX950 in another rig that works fine, anything more worth it than that HP drive that I should consider?
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Looking to buy a 500-512GB NVME drive, with an eye for general performance and lifespan within RM400 or less. Avoiding ADATA due to all their stealth downgrades with the SX8200 Pro. I have a HP EX950 in another rig that works fine, anything more worth it than that HP drive that I should consider?
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check out TristanX's suggestions at the top of this page. more worth it or not, you can compare their respective specs and make your own justifications.

i think transcend mte220s is good. on paper, it's very similar to hp ex950, except for mte220s having higher endurance ratings. again, these are on paper, so it's up to you to decide.

edit:

out of curiosity i checked out mte220s for chipset part numbers for ram/nand/controller. for 1tb model, mte220s uses samsung ddr3, and micron's nand, https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2019/12/r...s-ssd-m-2-nvme/ (ram part number is K4B4G1646E-BYMA, https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/...4B4G1646E-BYMA/ )

however, for 2tb model, it has samsung ddr4, and transcend rebranded nand, http://www.vmodtech.com/th/article/transce...review/page/all (ram part number is K4A8G165WC-BCTD, https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/...4A8G165WC-BCTD/ )

i just post it here for reference. it's no wonder why they didn't put anything about ram cache in their specs.

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 14 2021, 12:35 PM)
check out TristanX's suggestions at the top of this page. more worth it or not, you can compare their respective specs and make your own justifications.

i think transcend mte220s is good. on paper, it's very similar to hp ex950, except for mte220s having higher endurance ratings. again, these are on paper, so it's up to you to decide.

edit:

out of curiosity i checked out mte220s for chipset part numbers for ram/nand/controller. for 1tb model, mte220s uses samsung ddr3, and micron's nand, https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2019/12/r...s-ssd-m-2-nvme/ (ram part number is K4B4G1646E-BYMA, https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/...4B4G1646E-BYMA/ )

however, for 2tb model, it has samsung ddr4, and transcend rebranded nand, http://www.vmodtech.com/th/article/transce...review/page/all (ram part number is K4A8G165WC-BCTD, https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/...4A8G165WC-BCTD/ )

i just post it here for reference. it's no wonder why they didn't put anything about ram cache in their specs.
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I checked my EX950, it's using Nanya DDR3, IMFT NAND, same SMI controller as the original release of the SX8200 Pro.

Will keep the MTE220s in mind.
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Look for Transcend MTE 220S or PNY CS3030. Nothing else.
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This 2 is equally good, just brand preferences? Corsair mp510 also same range correct?

Transcent MTe 220S- RM1121
PNY cs3030 - RM1215
Corsair mp510 - RM1298

XPG sx8200 pro 2tb is cheaper. But they quietly change the controller speed for new batch? Possible to check which one is old stock and new stock?

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This 2 is equally good, just brand preferences? Corsair mp510 also same range correct?

Transcent MTe 220S- RM1121
PNY cs3030 - RM1215
Corsair mp510 - RM1298

XPG sx8200 pro 2tb is cheaper. But they quietly change the controller speed for new batch? Possible to check which one is old stock and new stock?
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Just a reminder to everyone looking for SSD. You don't have to buy the fastest and greatest to enjoy benefits of a ssd.
Remember the QUOTE. It's stated everywhere: UP TO XXXX mb/s
That's right. it doesn't mean u get the max load every time. depending on what u re doing.
That means u can do without the latest new phison E18 Gen4 drives which promises UP TO 7/8k mbps. It looks great on paper and benchmarks. But it sacrifices endurance / worse than the previous gen drives.

And as a matter of fact; the 1st gen 4 drives looks more appealing now , their prices have come down AND it's endurance level is better.
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which 2.5" sata ssd has the best endurance?
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which 2.5" sata ssd has the best endurance?
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https://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=samsun...=0&sortBy=price

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MZ-76P256BW (256GB)
5 Years or 300 TBW


MZ-76P512BW (512GB)
5 Years or 600 TBW


MZ-76P1T0BW (1,024GB)
5 Years or 1,200 TBW


MZ-76P2T0BW (2,048GB)
5 Years or 2,400 TBW


MZ-76P4T0BW (4,096GB)
5 Year or 4,800 TBW
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What's your use case that demands lots of drive writes? hmm.gif

For most users, something like the 860 EVO or the Pro should be fine, unless you want to pay high prices for those enterprise grade drives icon_idea.gif
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Bought a 860 Evo 1TB just in case price hike.

RM490 with a bottle thermal paste.
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RM689 at the time of writing.

Crucial MX500 1TB at RM465 with no effort of checking for cheaper ones.

https://shopee.com.my/-%F0%9F%94%B1HIGH-PER...4711.5848246252
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What's your use case that demands lots of drive writes? hmm.gif

For most users, something like the 860 EVO or the Pro should be fine, unless you want to pay high prices for those enterprise grade drives icon_idea.gif
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what else? chia coin lel
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what else? chia coin lel
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What's the yield like? How many TB are you planning?
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not me lol, but the former poster
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I see...

I did read this up a little and it seem SSD also not suitable. Just being used to swap plot that are to be written into HDD later since HDD is much slower. I wonder if internet connection speed also play a role.
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I see...

I did read this up a little and it seem SSD also not suitable. Just being used to swap plot that are to be written into HDD later since HDD is much slower. I wonder if internet connection speed also play a role.
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SSD with high endurance is used to create plots that will be put on large capacity hard disks for mining. Each plot is around 102GB in size and will eat SSD's write endurance around 1.8TB per plot. For comparison, 27 plots means average time of 7-8 months per successful mine currently, but it kept growing lel
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SSD with high endurance is used to create plots that will be put on large capacity hard disks for mining. Each plot is around 102GB in size and will eat SSD's write endurance around 1.8TB per plot. For comparison, 27 plots means average time of 7-8 months per successful mine currently, but it kept growing lel
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Wow... At first thought wanna mine but looks like needs really fast internet. Seems like an expensive startup if need one piece of 2tb ssd.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 6 2021, 01:23 PM)
SSD with high endurance is used to create plots that will be put on large capacity hard disks for mining. Each plot is around 102GB in size and will eat SSD's write endurance around 1.8TB per plot. For comparison, 27 plots means average time of 7-8 months per successful mine currently, but it kept growing lel
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I think big RAM caching will help a bit. Primocache!!
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Wow... At first thought wanna mine but looks like needs really fast internet. Seems like an expensive startup if need one piece of 2tb ssd.
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internet speed doesn't matter. SSD is just to prepare plots

QUOTE(TristanX @ May 6 2021, 02:41 PM)
I think big RAM caching will help a bit. Primocache!!
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I'm not to knowledgeable haha, but i saw ppl bragging on running parallel plotting, 5 per enterprise SSD for total of 40 using xeon 20 cores and 384GB ram, 40 plots in 5 hours

for me just playing around, takes around 7 hours fastest iinm
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internet speed doesn't matter. SSD is just to prepare plots
I'm not to knowledgeable haha, but i saw ppl bragging on running parallel plotting, 5 per enterprise SSD for total of 40 using xeon 20 cores and 384GB ram, 40 plots in 5 hours

for me just playing around, takes around 7 hours fastest iinm
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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 6 2021, 06:05 PM)
internet speed doesn't matter. SSD is just to prepare plots
I'm not to knowledgeable haha, but i saw ppl bragging on running parallel plotting, 5 per enterprise SSD for total of 40 using xeon 20 cores and 384GB ram, 40 plots in 5 hours

for me just playing around, takes around 7 hours fastest iinm
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Apps like Primocache can defer writes on SSD. Bigger RAM means you can delay the write longer.

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TristanX You might not like this news:

The mainstream market is switching completely to DRAM-less SSDs

https://www.computerbase.de/2021-05/western...dram-less-ssds/ (article in German)

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TristanX You might not like this news:

The mainstream market is switching completely to DRAM-less SSDs

https://www.computerbase.de/2021-05/western...dram-less-ssds/ (article in German)
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Whoever still offering SSD with DRAM will get recommendation.
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just stick to those with dram, while they still last.

although marketing tells us that dram-less is ok. there are too many proofs that showed us otherwise.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ May 29 2021, 02:35 AM)
TristanX You might not like this news:

The mainstream market is switching completely to DRAM-less SSDs

https://www.computerbase.de/2021-05/western...dram-less-ssds/ (article in German)
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WD own view that mainstream market is switching completely to DRAM-less SSDs.
Given WD track record of cost cutting, can see why they want market to switch using DRAM-less SSDs.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ May 29 2021, 11:20 AM)
WD own view that mainstream market is switching completely to DRAM-less SSDs.
Given WD track record of cost cutting, can see why they want market to switch using DRAM-less SSDs.
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ya…take out the dram they really can reduce cost substantially.
and that allows them to be more competitive in making ssd with lower cost per gb.
can't deny that their utilization of HMB in nvme is a success.


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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ May 29 2021, 12:01 PM)
ya…take out the dram they really can reduce cost substantially.
and that allows them to be more competitive in making ssd with lower cost per gb.
can't deny that their utilization of HMB in nvme is a success.
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Their SN750 very good performance and that is with DRAM.
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Their SN750 very good performance and that is with DRAM.
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their dramless SN550 not bad what…
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their dramless SN550 not bad what…
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Performance just like any other DRAM-less SSDs.
I think people buy it because of it's well known brand instead of it's technology.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ May 29 2021, 12:01 PM)
ya…take out the dram they really can reduce cost substantially.
and that allows them to be more competitive in making ssd with lower cost per gb.
can't deny that their utilization of HMB in nvme is a success.
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hmb uses system memory as replacement of built-in dram in nvme drives. it still depends on things like manufacturers to implement it right, and how the ssds are used. there are things that are physically unavoidable, like latency compared to local built-in dram. of course, the outcomes might not be obvious if the scope is just for typical consumer usage.

tbh, we all want good ssds at lower price. however, innovations for dram-less ssds are ok, if and only if they can provide relatively sustainable performance as ssds with dram.
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QUOTE(horns @ May 29 2021, 01:06 PM)
hmb uses system memory as replacement of built-in dram in nvme drives. it still depends on things like manufacturers to implement it right, and how the ssds are used. there are things that are physically unavoidable, like latency compared to local built-in dram. of course, the outcomes might not be obvious if the scope is just for typical consumer usage.

tbh, we all want good ssds at lower price. however, innovations for dram-less ssds are ok, if and only if they can provide relatively sustainable performance as ssds with dram.
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yes. that's the point.

what consumer want? fast and big storage at lower price.

how could manufacturer do it? by cost reduction.
what to cut first? of course dram.

wd doesn't produce dram like samsung, to make them stay competitive in the business, flooding mainstream market with acceptable performance dramless ssd is inevitable.

the hmb tech already mature and the performance is acceptable for mainstream market.

the dramless nvme will get better in pcie 4.0 and 5.0.

of course we can't deny that nvme with dram is better…but cost is the key to make it mainstream.

same situation like last time SLC, MLC and TLC nand. people will move on with the tech advancement.

dramless nvme isn't same shit like the dramless sata ssd, what i want to point out is we shouldn't have that "all dramless ssd are junk" name-calling on dramless ssd. cheers!

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I see...

I did read this up a little and it seem SSD also not suitable. Just being used to swap plot that are to be written into HDD later since HDD is much slower. I wonder if internet connection speed also play a role.
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Now consumer market will learn why tf enterprise customers pay a huge premium for enterprise class NAND and SSD... difference is night and day for same capacity point. Need to look at the DWPD metric.
Basically the NAND endurance levels are much higher for enterprise grade. I foresee there will be a cottage industry among smaller players to plonk enterprise grade nand into standard consumer SSD designs and market them for Chia mining usage
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ May 29 2021, 01:37 PM)
yes. that's the point.

what consumer want? fast and big storage at lower price.

how could manufacturer do it? by cost reduction.
what to cut first? of course dram.

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They re cutting down on endurance level. Those new 2nd gen pcie 4 ssd got their endurance chop by half at the same capacity level. All in the name of better speed (at the benchmarks). Real world, you probably won't notice it between a 1st gen pcie 4 vs gen 2.
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They re cutting down on endurance level. Those new 2nd gen pcie 4 ssd got their endurance chop by half at the same capacity level. All in the name of better speed (at the benchmarks). Real world, you probably won't notice it between a 1st gen pcie 4 vs gen 2.
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there is 1 interesting oem nvme ssd from dell.

they cut cost by replacing the controller from gen 4 to gen 3.

samsung pm9a1 under 1tb oem for dell. (2tb is gen 4)


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Now consumer market will learn why tf enterprise customers pay a huge premium for enterprise class NAND and SSD... difference is night and day for same capacity point. Need to look at the DWPD metric.
Basically the NAND endurance levels are much higher for enterprise grade. I foresee there will be a cottage industry among smaller players to plonk enterprise grade nand into standard consumer SSD designs and market them for Chia mining usage
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normal consumers won't even think of what's in a enterprise grade stuff. consumer variant of optane series been available since 2017. Sadly it's been discontinued.
they will be turned off once they see the price. But it's crazily godsend type of endurance u re getting AND build quality is superb.
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normal consumers won't even think of what's in a enterprise grade stuff. consumer variant of optane series been available since 2017. Sadly it's been discontinued.
they will be turned off once they see the price. But it's crazily godsend type of endurance u re getting AND build quality is superb.
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The overwhelming tech superiority of optane had basically evaporated because they couldn't scale cost effectively.
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Hi sifus, is the Crucial MX500 still one of the best cost-to-ratio SSD in the market? I plan to get a 500GB, or even a 1TB if the price is right.

Secondly, I assume I still have slot/space for it? mobo is GGB B360M gaming 3, current storage: SSD 250GB, HDD 1TB, HDD 1TB

Thirdly, I tried to google for it but unsure of the answer, can we just simply rename the drive name anytime we want, with all files and folders still work as usual?
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Hi sifus, is the Crucial MX500 still one of the best cost-to-ratio SSD in the market? I plan to get a 500GB, or even a 1TB if the price is right.

Secondly, I assume I still have slot/space for it? mobo is GGB B360M gaming 3, current storage: SSD 250GB, HDD 1TB, HDD 1TB

Thirdly, I tried to google for it but unsure of the answer, can we just simply rename the drive name anytime we want, with all files and folders still work as usual?
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there is 1 interesting oem nvme ssd from dell.

they cut cost by replacing the controller from gen 4 to gen 3.

samsung pm9a1 under 1tb oem for dell. (2tb is gen 4)
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Typically OEM have the clout to specify what features they wanna add or remove to optimize for the cost / target market. The X box also uses custom ssd not found elsewhere
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Looks like bye bye to PNY too.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/pny-xlr8-...most-80-percent
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Hi guys if your computer can support both sata and M2.pcie would it make more sense to buy gigabyte, silicon power, kingston PCIE SSDs over Crucial MX500 sata SSD? They are all about similar price ~RM460 (1 TB) on Shopee. Thanks for advice.
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Hi guys if your computer can support both sata and M2.pcie would it make more sense to buy gigabyte, silicon power, kingston PCIE SSDs over Crucial MX500 sata SSD? They are all about similar price ~RM460 (1 TB) on Shopee. Thanks for advice.
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QUOTE(kemin @ Jun 6 2021, 01:05 PM)
Hi guys if your computer can support both sata and M2.pcie would it make more sense to buy gigabyte, silicon power, kingston PCIE SSDs over Crucial MX500 sata SSD? They are all about similar price ~RM460 (1 TB) on Shopee. Thanks for advice.
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sata go for samsung 860 evo or Crucial MX500

pcie go for samsung 970 evo or PNY CS3030, transcend mte220s

if u need to clone old hdd/ssd to new ssd easily, choose samsung and use their software.

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TBW for Corsair MP510 dropped as well. I got a feeling SSDs with Phison controllers got false advertising.
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Pr...#tab-tech-specs

800TBW dropped to 360TBW for 480GB.
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just saw a user report about mp510 went bad (from the image, it's just 2.6+ tb total host writes only). maybe it's due to crytomining craze.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jun 7 2021, 09:24 AM)
TBW for Corsair MP510 dropped as well. I got a feeling SSDs with Phison controllers got false advertising.
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Pr...#tab-tech-specs

800TBW dropped to 360TBW for 480GB.
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looks like it's gonna be a trend for ssd, cutting down on endurance to save cost, especially on newer releases and models.

my take is BUY WISELY. It's better to buy some of the older models with better endurance. Most of time not gonna see any real world speed differrence.

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Those who bought PNY CS3030 before May 17 can rest easy.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/pny-admit...-chia-coin-boom
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QUOTE(targon @ Jun 7 2021, 06:32 PM)
looks like it's gonna be a trend for ssd, cutting down on endurance to save cost, especially on newer releases and models.

my take is BUY WISELY. It's better to buy some of the older models with better endurance. Most of time not gonna see any real world speed differrence.
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The reality is that majority of people outside of gamers and crypto miners seldom challenge the limitations of their system. While it is true that endurance keeps getting worse at the NAND level ( it has been for the past two decades), most of us will not have to worry much if we are just doing normal office productivity stuff and casual gaming. Even the cheapest SSD will last the life of the system if you are just a regular office user.. The Chia cryptocurrency unfortunately, is one of those things that will ruin your nice new SSD if not careful. Only a matter of time before more SSD manufacturers release chia ready SSD with ultra high endurance
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M.2 PCIE 4.0:
Only WD Black SN850 1TB at RM1149 promo price.


M.2 PCIE:
PNY CS3030
Transcend MTE220S
Corsair MP510

M.2 SATA or regular SATA:
Crucial MX500
Kingston KC600
Samsung 860 Evo (only up to 500GB)
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How about the Corsair MP600 2TB or Samsung 980 Pro 2TB for PCIE 4.0? Will be used as my boot drive and won't be upgrading my PC for the next 8-10 years or so
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How about the Corsair MP600 2TB or Samsung 980 Pro 2TB for PCIE 4.0? Will be used as my boot drive and won't be upgrading my PC for the next 8-10 years or so
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Overpriced like hell. Look for others, most no stock now.

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How about the Corsair MP600 2TB or Samsung 980 Pro 2TB for PCIE 4.0? Will be used as my boot drive and won't be upgrading my PC for the next 8-10 years or so
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Amazon is currently having promo for Samsung 980 pro 2TB for price rm1500+ including shipping and tax.

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Amazon is currently having promo for Samsung 980 pro 2TB for price rm1500+ including shipping and tax.

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Thanks, not in a hurry yet since I want to purchase the SSD together with a new CPU, Motherboard, RAM and GPU smile.gif

I noticed the Samsung 980 Pro 1TB at RM1.2k at shopee:

https://shopee.com.my/-SAMSUNG-980-PRO-PCIe...7182.6565882292

Would this be a better buy than the WD SN850?
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Thanks, not in a hurry yet since I want to purchase the SSD together with a new CPU, Motherboard, RAM and GPU smile.gif

I noticed the Samsung 980 Pro 1TB at RM1.2k at shopee:

https://shopee.com.my/-SAMSUNG-980-PRO-PCIe...7182.6565882292

Would this be a better buy than the WD SN850?
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Spec wise they are very similar in terms of performance, even for endurance both also rated at 1200TBW. To me i will choose the cheapest option. In fact the price is very attractive, 2TB variant here easily cost at RM2K++

https://shopee.com.my/Samsung-980-PRO-NVMe-...6936.4175649243

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which budget 250GB SSD brand I should looking for? Upgrade to a old laptop running max Sata2 only.
Silicon Power or Crucial?
Go with Crucial
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I am also looking for Crucial mx500, any recommended and reliable seller?
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I just buy it in Lazada. So far 2 different shops also ok.
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I am also looking for Crucial mx500, any recommended and reliable seller?
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Crucial MX500

I also have bought another unit from
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So far this one is reliable.
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So far this one is reliable.
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This is probly the cheapest 1TB MX500 I found so far.

RM427.5 Update: RM450 now - RM40 LZD bonus

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/crucial-...s617148716.html

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QUOTE(Kim^.^" @ Jul 5 2021, 09:49 AM)
This is probly the cheapest 1TB MX500 I found so far.

RM427.5 Update: RM450 now - RM40 LZD bonus

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/crucial-...s617148716.html
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Samsung 970 EVO PLUS M.2 PCIE NVME 1TB SSD @ RM 764... after Lzd bonus and voucher.... how was it? lol...
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Samsung 970 EVO PLUS M.2 PCIE NVME 1TB SSD @ RM 764...  after Lzd bonus and voucher.... how was it? lol...
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hi bro, do u mind to share this offer from which seller? drool.gif
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hi bro, do u mind to share this offer from which seller?  drool.gif
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buy from viewnet

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/samsung-...3091574814.html?

out of stock currently... as usual... after purchase.. i regret.. lol...
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Looking for 1TB m.2 NVMe SSD and narrow down to these three brand.

Any idea which to go for?

1. SK Hynix Gold P31

2. Adata XPG SX8200 Pro

3. PNY XLR8 CS3030
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QUOTE(hjh87 @ Jul 10 2021, 09:35 PM)
Looking for 1TB m.2 NVMe SSD and narrow down to these three brand.

Any idea which to go for?

1. SK Hynix Gold P31

2. Adata XPG SX8200 Pro

3. PNY XLR8 CS3030
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I'm using both Adata XPG SX8200 Pro 1TB and 2TB.
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QUOTE(hjh87 @ Jul 10 2021, 09:35 PM)
Looking for 1TB m.2 NVMe SSD and narrow down to these three brand.

Any idea which to go for?

1. SK Hynix Gold P31

2. Adata XPG SX8200 Pro

3. PNY XLR8 CS3030
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if you read earlier msg, some member here mentioning xpg are no longer as good as before.. usable but nand controller switch to slower grade. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-xpg...ntroller-change

not sure if they change bek.. hmm.gif

if me, i gonna choose PNY XLR8 CS3030.. not sure sk hynix

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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Jul 11 2021, 11:27 AM)
if you read earlier msg, some member here mentioning xpg are no longer as good as before.. usable but nand controller switch to slower grade. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-xpg...ntroller-change

not sure if they change bek..  hmm.gif

if me, i gonna choose PNY XLR8 CS3030..  not sure sk hynix
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Yes read about that, and even the PNY also reduce the TBW.

SK Hynix seem good compare to both PNY and Adata, but hardly any seller selling it and can't even find a Distributor in Malaysia (RMA might be a issue).

Regard to the slower nand controller, mind to share what exactly will it affect (my usage is only for normal gaming and some CAD software)?
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Yes read about that, and even the PNY also reduce the TBW.

SK Hynix seem good compare to both PNY and Adata, but hardly any seller selling it and can't even find a Distributor in Malaysia (RMA might be a issue).

Regard to the slower nand controller, mind to share what exactly will it affect (my usage is only for normal gaming and some CAD software)?
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as far as i know NAND flash controller ensures that all data written is spread evenly across all physical blocks of the ssd so that it will not easy wear out one area of the NAND faster than another. apart from gaming maybe not that noticeable but CAD rendering... could be.. not so sure, not using for CAD so far.
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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Jul 4 2021, 07:55 PM)
So far this one is reliable.
Crucial MX500

I also have bought another unit from
This seller
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Is this crucial mx500 suitable to replace my 2 laptops' hdd which r giving problem?

One is WD5000LPVT-22G33T0

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Another one is ST2000LM003:

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QUOTE(MGM @ Jul 12 2021, 01:42 PM)
Is this crucial mx500 suitable to replace my 2 laptops' hdd which r giving problem?

One is WD5000LPVT-22G33T0

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Another one is ST2000LM003:

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Yes. Good enough.
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WD Black SN850 SSD Gets Firmware Update; Addresses Write Performance For AMD X570 Motherboards

The update should give AMD X570 chipset owners access to the SSD's full write speeds.

https://www.lowyat.net/2021/245777/wd-black...0-motherboards/

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Hi all,

I've just purchased the Dell Inspiron 3891 desktop which comes with 1TB HDD.

Plan to buy a SSD, mainly as a boot drive (no gaming or any graphic designs, mainly work, surf, video, music).

Can someone give some recommendations? Really headache already after reading a lot and there are just so many brands/types out there.
- I guess 500GB should be just right? Actually 250GB should be enough but I thought that might be a bit low
- Wish to buy some more reliable/ durable SSD, but have no idea which brand to go for
- Below is the available slots from Dell, I guess I should go for M.2 PCIe NVMe?
- Not particular on budget, maybe RM 200 to RM 600, but guess I don't have to overkill and get some high specs/speed SSD?

Any guidance is very much appreciated

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Hi all,

I've just purchased the Dell Inspiron 3891 desktop which comes with 1TB HDD.

Plan to buy a SSD, mainly as a boot drive (no gaming or any graphic designs, mainly work, surf, video, music).

Can someone give some recommendations? Really headache already after reading a lot and there are just so many brands/types out there.
- I guess 500GB should be just right? Actually 250GB should be enough but I thought that might be a bit low
- Wish to buy some more reliable/ durable SSD, but have no idea which brand to go for
- Below is the available slots from Dell, I guess I should go for M.2 PCIe NVMe?
- Not particular on budget, maybe RM 200 to RM 600, but guess I don't have to overkill and get some high specs/speed SSD?

Any guidance is very much appreciated

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Something like the Corsair MP510? hmm.gif

For SSD, minimally you should aim for a 250GB drive, but for some breathing room you should aim for a 500GB drive icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jul 15 2021, 01:08 AM)
Something like the Corsair MP510?  hmm.gif

For SSD, minimally you should aim for a 250GB drive, but for some breathing room you should aim for a 500GB drive icon_idea.gif
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Ya guess probably 500GB is just right.
Will check out MP510, are there are other brands with similar performance/ reliability as MP510?
If there are, then I'll just compare the prices see which has better promo
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QUOTE(msa9696 @ Jul 15 2021, 01:40 AM)
Ya guess probably 500GB is just right.
Will check out MP510, are there are other brands with similar performance/ reliability as MP510?
If there are, then I'll just compare the prices see which has better promo
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just get samsung evo 1tb and clone the whole drive.

just prepare for yourself to deal with bios secure boot setting if u re-install windows in new drive.

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just get samsung evo 1tb and clone the whole drive.

just prepare for yourself to deal with bios secure boot setting if u re-install windows in new drive.
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Wanting to replace my hdd in 2 old laptops that kaput recently. Pls give advice on these ssd which r the available stocks.
Rm143 Sandisk plus 240gb.
Rm156 Kingston A400 240gb.
Rm178 WD Blue 250gb.
Rm209 Samsung Evo870 250gb.

Rm246 Sandisk Plus 480gb.
Rm309 Samsung Evo870 512gb.

Installation + windows10 cost rm80.
Is it easy to install DIY? Just replace the hdd n install windows10 using USB thumbdrive with w10?
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QUOTE(MGM @ Jul 19 2021, 06:11 PM)
Wanting to replace my hdd in 2 old laptops that kaput recently. Pls give advice on these ssd which r the available stocks.
Rm143 Sandisk plus 240gb.
Rm156 Kingston A400 240gb.
Rm178 WD Blue 250gb.
Rm209 Samsung Evo870 250gb.

Rm246 Sandisk Plus 480gb.
Rm309 Samsung Evo870 512gb.

Installation + windows10 cost rm80.
Is it easy to install DIY? Just replace the hdd n install windows10 using USB thumbdrive with w10?
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yes.. its easy to install win10... also.. replacing hdd is easy.. can do it urself... kingston A400 maybe ok2.. if nothing store much 240gb is enuf imho..
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Hi all,

I've just purchased the Dell Inspiron 3891 desktop which comes with 1TB HDD.

Plan to buy a SSD, mainly as a boot drive (no gaming or any graphic designs, mainly work, surf, video, music).

Can someone give some recommendations? Really headache already after reading a lot and there are just so many brands/types out there.
- I guess 500GB should be just right? Actually 250GB should be enough but I thought that might be a bit low
- Wish to buy some more reliable/ durable SSD, but have no idea which brand to go for
- Below is the available slots from Dell, I guess I should go for M.2 PCIe NVMe?
- Not particular on budget, maybe RM 200 to RM 600, but guess I don't have to overkill and get some high specs/speed SSD?

Any guidance is very much appreciated

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Never had pny or adata, SSD I have before 2.5 inch 128gb plextor, Kingston and Corsair can last me 9 year only start showing health drop to 76%

Currently I'm using 2.5inch 1tb SSD MX 500 and another 1tb for d drive, 4tb blue HDD for E drive has been using more than year nothing to complaint
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QUOTE(MGM @ Jul 19 2021, 06:11 PM)
Wanting to replace my hdd in 2 old laptops that kaput recently. Pls give advice on these ssd which r the available stocks.
Rm143 Sandisk plus 240gb.
Rm156 Kingston A400 240gb.
Rm178 WD Blue 250gb.
Rm209 Samsung Evo870 250gb.

Rm246 Sandisk Plus 480gb.
Rm309 Samsung Evo870 512gb.

Installation + windows10 cost rm80.
Is it easy to install DIY? Just replace the hdd n install windows10 using USB thumbdrive with w10?
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Pick either Crucial MX500 or Samsung 860/870 Evo. The rest is garbage. DRAMless crap for most of them.
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Hi All, just a curious question. Does anyone uses the NVMe SSD extension cable on their system? It seems like my M.2 slot is at the back of my mobo and looking at current SSD all has huge heatsink so it won't fit.
I found (googled) some cable but all were PCI-E 3.0, has anyone uses it on PCI-E 4.0 system that can maximize it?
Thank you in advance for reply.
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hi guys want ask.. anyone use before Crucial P5 NVME ssd? is it reliable and good? i read online seem like overall ok except slower speed at some read and write. will it affect overall performance?

Anyone tested Crucial P5 and WD SN 750 (is this got Dram?)



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hi guys want ask.. anyone use before Crucial P5 NVME ssd? is it reliable and good? i read online seem like overall ok except slower speed at some read and write. will it affect overall performance?

Anyone tested Crucial P5 and WD SN 750 (is this got Dram?)
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Both got DRAM. Crucial should be no issue since it's parent company that manufacturer the SSD themselves. There won't be case of parts being changed to different supplier.
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Both got DRAM. Crucial should be no issue since it's parent company that manufacturer the SSD themselves. There won't be case of parts being changed to different supplier.
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for the SN750 i did not saw the dram mention in their official website. other website say it use Sk Hynix dram but official site did not mention so kinda confuse.

did u bought 1 to confirm?

some review say Crucial P5 will be hot and transfer rate not as great as compare to similar range ssd . any idea?
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QUOTE(edisoner90 @ Jul 30 2021, 09:42 AM)
for the SN750 i  did not saw the dram mention in their official website. other website say it use Sk Hynix dram but official site did not mention so kinda confuse.

did u bought 1 to confirm?

some review say Crucial P5 will be hot and transfer rate not as great as compare to similar range ssd . any idea?
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I'm using SN750 1TB. It got DRAM. Last 2 years IINM when I bought, so don't know if there's any revision. But it sure got DRAM since it's their top range model.

Transfer rate sustain at max speed depends on how big the SSD cache. If not using it for transferring hundreds of GB every time then won't notice any difference. NVME SSD if not using heatsink, it can go to very high temperature.
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I'm using SN750 1TB. It got DRAM. Last 2 years IINM when I bought, so don't know if there's any revision. But it sure got DRAM since it's their top range model.

Transfer rate sustain at max speed depends on how big the SSD cache. If not using it for transferring hundreds of GB every time then won't notice any difference. NVME SSD if not using heatsink, it can go to very high temperature.
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guys, i'm looking to add 1tb nvme and i'll be using ugreen's nvme to pcie x4 adapter. so far I've looked on sn750, 970 evo and samsung 980 and tbh all the reviews is getting me a little mixed up

i'm going to be using it to store games so i guess they all would work fine, but among the 3, would it be safe to say that the 970 evo or sn750, even though dated, would still be a better overall performer compared to the 980 due to the dramless nature of the 980?
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Why samsung 870 Evo sata price for 1 TB is way more exp than the nvme? what main reason?
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guys, i'm looking to add 1tb nvme and i'll be using ugreen's nvme to pcie x4 adapter. so far I've looked on sn750, 970 evo and samsung 980 and tbh all the reviews is getting me a little mixed up

i'm going to be using it to store games so i guess they all would work fine, but among the 3, would it be safe to say that the 970 evo or sn750, even though dated, would still be a better overall performer compared to the 980 due to the dramless nature of the 980?
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then get the evo 970 if u willing to pay more than 980.

no need too much worry of dramless 980 because this dramless nvme utilize HMB tech to use your system ram.

what 980 better than 970 evo is the power efficiency so it will run cooler.

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 30 2021, 04:42 PM)
then get the evo 970 if u willing to pay more than 980.

no need too much worry of dramless 980 because this dramless nvme utilize HMB tech to use your system ram.

what 980 better than 970 evo is the power efficiency so it will run cooler.
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thanks for assuring about the dram. given the price point for the 970 evo is the same as the 980, would you suggest going for the 970 evo then? 970 evo plus is rm900+ but the 970 evo itself is basically same price as the 980
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thanks for assuring about the dram. given the price point for the 970 evo is the same as the 980, would you suggest going for the 970 evo then? 970 evo plus is rm900+ but the 970 evo itself is basically same price as the 980
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just get the 970 evo…if you concern about temp for long period of data transfer, then use adapter with fan.

https://s.lazada.com.my/s.dR7PY

if for laptop use 980 would be more suitable

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 30 2021, 05:35 PM)
just get the 970 evo…if you concern about temp for long period of data transfer, then use adapter with fan.

https://s.lazada.com.my/s.dR7PY

if for laptop use 980 would be more suitable
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nice, i already ordered the ugreen one so i'll use that for now. thanks again for your recommendation rclxm9.gif
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Why samsung 870 Evo sata price for 1 TB is way more exp than the nvme? what main reason?
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Selling "brand name". Ignore them when they are overpriced.
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Selling "brand name". Ignore them when they are overpriced.
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can tell me which one is good in term of price and reliable?

i have few in mind

SATA
Crucial MX500 - 500gb / 1TB
Samsung evo 860/870


Nvme
SN750 - WD - 1TB
Crucial P5 - 1TB
samsung evo 970 plus - 500gb

so i am consider coz as 970 evo 500gb need like rm450, which same price for MX500-1TB price.

kinda dilemma if i should get the nvme or sata for reliability

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QUOTE(edisoner90 @ Jul 30 2021, 07:41 PM)
can tell me which one is good in term of price and reliable?

i have few in mind

SATA
Crucial MX500 - 500gb / 1TB
Samsung evo 860/870
Nvme
SN750 - WD - 1TB
Crucial P5 - 1TB
samsung evo 970 plus - 500gb

so i am consider coz as 970 evo 500gb need like rm450, which same price for MX500-1TB price.

kinda dilemma if i should get the nvme or sata for reliability
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SATA is always the last if you can get NVMe first.

https://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=pny%20...=0&sortBy=price
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SATA is always the last if you can get NVMe first.

https://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=pny%20...=0&sortBy=price
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isnt pny unreliable? coz a lot ppl complaint pny spoil easily
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isnt pny unreliable? coz a lot ppl complaint pny spoil easily
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Like I said on many threads on DRAMless SSD. Its crap.

Crucial MX500, Samsung 860 Evo (only up to 500GB) and Kingston KC600 for SATA.
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Is Samsung 870 evo newer n better than 860 evo? Vendor only has 870.
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Is Samsung 870 evo newer n better than 860 evo? Vendor only has 870.
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Just slightly better.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsun...just-got-better

Crucial MX500 1TB RMA is the new best record. Monday Lalamove to distributor, got it back on Wednesday.

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hi guys,

can anyone recommend a 2tb m.2 form factor drive mainly for data storage? I saw the NV1 and it seems cheap at around RM938 but the tbw seems pretty low. is there any better performer for around the 1k price range? also not sure if it's still relevant, but i'll likely torrent files to the same drive as well though i don't torrent often
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hi guys,

can anyone recommend a 2tb m.2 form factor drive mainly for data storage? I saw the NV1 and it seems cheap at around RM938 but the tbw seems pretty low. is there any better performer for around the 1k price range? also not sure if it's still relevant, but i'll likely torrent files to the same drive as well though i don't torrent often
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if non M2 form got 1k ish for 2TB
https://shopee.com.my/Samsung-SSD-860-EVO-(...5634?position=2
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hi guys,

can anyone recommend a 2tb m.2 form factor drive mainly for data storage? I saw the NV1 and it seems cheap at around RM938 but the tbw seems pretty low. is there any better performer for around the 1k price range? also not sure if it's still relevant, but i'll likely torrent files to the same drive as well though i don't torrent often
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Transcend MTE220S 2TB at RM999 from viewnet.

http://viewnet.com.my/downloads/viewnet_diy_pricelist.pdf

Not recommended to run torrent on SSD. They don't like heavy writes. It also kills TBW warranty.
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Aug 5 2021, 10:34 AM)
i'm planning to go cableless for drives haha so gonna need m.2

QUOTE(TristanX @ Aug 5 2021, 10:41 AM)
Transcend MTE220S 2TB at RM999 from viewnet.

http://viewnet.com.my/downloads/viewnet_diy_pricelist.pdf

Not recommended to run torrent on SSD. They don't like heavy writes. It also kills TBW warranty.
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WOW this one has 4400TBW for 2TB! even more than all of the nvme's i've seen. yea i'd be torrenting maybe once every 2 months or so, so it's really uncommon. i'm more worried of data integrity biggrin.gif
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hi all, looking for recommendation on 1tb ssd for storage, mainly games that i play quite frequently.

saw kingston nv1 going for around 400++, good enough for storage?

Currently im using 500gb ssd as main drive + 1tb hdd.


my gpu is covering the 2nd m.2 slot (b550m aorus elite) will there be any problem if i put the ssd on that 2nd slot? heating or w/e problem?

thanks!
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QUOTE(hahantu @ Aug 5 2021, 06:29 PM)
hi all, looking for recommendation on 1tb ssd for storage, mainly games that i play quite frequently.

saw kingston nv1 going for around 400++, good enough for storage?

Currently im using 500gb ssd as main drive + 1tb hdd.
my gpu is covering the 2nd m.2 slot (b550m aorus elite) will there be any problem if i put the ssd on that 2nd slot? heating or w/e problem?

thanks!
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NV1? DRAMless SSD is automatic crap in my eyes.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27...2gT4/edit#gid=0


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NV1? DRAMless SSD is automatic crap in my eyes.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27...2gT4/edit#gid=0
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thanks for the link! will give it a read
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NV1? DRAMless SSD is automatic crap in my eyes.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27...2gT4/edit#gid=0
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DRAMless NVMe is still fine (there are good DRAMless NVMe drives like the SN550), but DRAMless SATA is a big no-no icon_idea.gif
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DRAMless NVMe is still fine (there are good DRAMless NVMe drives like the SN550), but DRAMless SATA is a big no-no icon_idea.gif
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After checking during the sales on Lazada the past few days, just bought a Samsung 970 EVO 1TB. Just managed to use up the voucher I have collected previous. Total damage = RM593.

Thanks for all the posts from you guys in the thread. Learn a lot from it.

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hi everyone, i wonder is the new samsung 980 nvme a good buy?
although its a DRAMless nvme (seems like there is not much performance penalty unless i do super intensive task) ,performance seems good for its price, around 6xx for 1tb. i wonder if there is any better alternative ?
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Got myself a 2TB XLR8 CS3040 a few days back. Cost around RM996 after some 8.8 discount. Not much of gen4 speed but still better than gen3. Also the price difference.
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QUOTE(antaras @ Aug 11 2021, 12:22 PM)
Got myself a 2TB XLR8 CS3040 a few days back. Cost around RM996 after some 8.8 discount. Not much of gen4 speed but still better than gen3. Also the price difference.
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how's the performance? what's the warranty also for it?
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how's the performance? what's the warranty also for it?
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Pretty decent at over 5.5k read and up to 4.3k write range with 5 years of warranty

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Pretty decent at over 5.5k read and up to 4.3k write range with 5 years of warranty
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dem that's pretty good, and the price as well drool.gif

i have not received my mte220s that i paid 1.2k for, maybe i can reject the delivery and pick up this cs3040 instead biggrin.gif
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dem that's pretty good, and the price as well  drool.gif

i have not received my mte220s that i paid 1.2k for, maybe i can reject the delivery and pick up this cs3040 instead  biggrin.gif
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500GB XLR8 CS3040: 850 TBW
1TB XLR8 CS3040: 1800 TBW
2TB XLR8 CS3040: 3600 TBW
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Aug 11 2021, 03:23 PM)
Here are the TBW ratings:

500GB XLR8 CS3040: 850 TBW
1TB XLR8 CS3040: 1800 TBW
2TB XLR8 CS3040: 3600 TBW
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yup that's pretty good. the mte220s is rated a 4400 TBW for 2tb but the speeds arent that great and it cost more cry.gif

motherboard is still gen3 regardless but the cs3040 should be able to max out as well hmm. seriously considering to reject the delivery today biggrin.gif
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how's the performance? what's the warranty also for it?
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This are the tests I did earlier. The one with the higher numbers is with the "NVMe SSD" selected in the settings tab. While the lower numbers is with the "default" selected.

I'm not sure which one to select for this test. First time doing these kinda tests.

Throwing in my other drives in here just for comparison.

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Ended up accepting the package for the MTE220S 2tb. To be honest I was kinda surprised by the write speed since it was more than the advertised speed for 2TB model in the website

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Hi everyone, currently my laptop storage is

Kingston A1000 NVME 256GB {60gb free now}
(OS, all the program I installed here like Office, Adobe Program - PS, AI, Pr, Internet Browser - Chrome, Mozilla, etc)

Seagate ST1000LM035 HDD 1TB {300gb free now}
(Others like document, download, pictures, movies, etc + Games)

If I change my HDD to 1tb MX500 SSD, will it drastically improved the speed of running Adobe Programs and others program like Internet browser?

Thanks

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yes..changing from HDD to SSD will guarantee feel the difference

changing from one SSD (Gen 3) to another SSD (Gen 4) realistically have no difference in daily use

that's why people always ask to change from HDD to SDD if that's the only upgrade you can afford.. you can notice the difference

compared to change cpu / add ram etc
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QUOTE(ljf123 @ Aug 13 2021, 03:33 PM)
Hi everyone, currently my laptop storage is

Kingston A1000 NVME 256GB {60gb free now}
(OS, all the program I installed here like Office, Adobe Program - PS, AI, Pr, Internet Browser - Chrome, Mozilla, etc)

Seagate ST1000LM035 HDD 1TB {300gb free now}
(Others like document, download, pictures, movies, etc + Games)

If I change my HDD to 1tb MX500 SSD, will it drastically improved the speed of running Adobe Programs and others program like Internet browser?

Thanks
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yes..changing from HDD to SSD will guarantee feel the difference

changing from one SSD (Gen 3) to another SSD (Gen 4) realistically have no difference in daily use

that's why people always ask to change from HDD to SDD if that's the only upgrade you can afford.. you can notice the difference

compared to change cpu / add ram  etc
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Only issue for full SSD setup is large files like videos. If you save a lot of those, you may have to bring external HDD along if you wanna keep TBW warranty in check.
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Not sure can I claim RMA or warranty for slow performance? Anyone got similar experience before?


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QUOTE(voscar @ Aug 21 2021, 06:42 PM)
Just got my new SSD 512GB, but feel Windows and program loading speed slower than my previous 240GB SSD, and it ran hot. Run CrystalDiskMark came out result even slower than normal 7200rpm HDD!

Not sure can I claim RMA or warranty for slow performance? Anyone got similar experience before?
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wat ssd is that? sooo bad...
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QUOTE(voscar @ Aug 21 2021, 06:42 PM)
Just got my new SSD 512GB, but feel Windows and program loading speed slower than my previous 240GB SSD, and it ran hot. Run CrystalDiskMark came out result even slower than normal 7200rpm HDD!

Not sure can I claim RMA or warranty for slow performance? Anyone got similar experience before?
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what is the price of the new SSD? could be reprogrammed usb flash drive in disguise.
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what is the price of the new SSD? could be reprogrammed usb flash drive in disguise.
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RM200 during Shopee 8.8 sale. Do you think possible to claim warranty for such performance?
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RM200 during Shopee 8.8 sale. Do you think possible to claim warranty for such performance?
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Shopee has a lot of dubious seller, check for seller rating and dated joined?
share the links to prevent more people fallen into the scam.

ask for technical support from official website, to verify the authenticity of the product, at the same time make complain to shopee.
even a badly configured SSD could not be that slow. the benchmark you posted are same as USB2 thumbdrive.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Aug 21 2021, 09:48 PM)
Shopee has a lot of dubious seller, check for seller rating and dated joined?
share the links to prevent more people fallen into the scam.

ask for technical support from official website, to verify the authenticity of the product, at the same time make complain to shopee.
even a badly configured SSD could not be that slow. the benchmark you posted are same as USB2 thumbdrive.
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Actually it was from Shopee Mall, so I think they are the authorized seller also ..
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Actually it was from Shopee Mall, so I think they are the authorized seller also ..
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can you at least share with us the model of this ssd of yours?

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QUOTE(voscar @ Aug 21 2021, 06:42 PM)
Just got my new SSD 512GB, but feel Windows and program loading speed slower than my previous 240GB SSD, and it ran hot. Run CrystalDiskMark came out result even slower than normal 7200rpm HDD!

Not sure can I claim RMA or warranty for slow performance? Anyone got similar experience before?
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That's insanely slow. Seems like thumb drive with USB2 speed.
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This is why you buy only known reputable brands. My RMA took only 2 days when I deal with distributor directly.

MX500 1TB on SATA3:
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is ssd health showing 94% good?
although according crystaldiskinfo showing "good"
been using this m2 sata samsung evo 850 almost 6 years on my laptop hmm.gif

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QUOTE(voscar @ Aug 21 2021, 06:42 PM)
Just got my new SSD 512GB, but feel Windows and program loading speed slower than my previous 240GB SSD, and it ran hot. Run CrystalDiskMark came out result even slower than normal 7200rpm HDD!

Not sure can I claim RMA or warranty for slow performance? Anyone got similar experience before?
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what is the type of connection you use?
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SATA.
Plug to USB 2.0 as external storage dropped to 10MB/s. While my 5400rpm HDD plug to same USB interface gets more than 30MB/s.
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QUOTE(voscar @ Aug 21 2021, 07:42 PM)
Just got my new SSD 512GB, but feel Windows and program loading speed slower than my previous 240GB SSD, and it ran hot. Run CrystalDiskMark came out result even slower than normal 7200rpm HDD!

Not sure can I claim RMA or warranty for slow performance? Anyone got similar experience before?
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What brand and model?
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What brand and model?
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QUOTE(voscar @ Aug 22 2021, 09:47 AM)
SATA.
Plug to USB 2.0 as external storage dropped to 10MB/s. While my 5400rpm HDD plug to same USB interface gets more than 30MB/s.
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USB2 is the connection, what do you expect? It's not the ssd issue, it's PEBKAC issue.
Even the USB3 is considered slow without UASP enabled.

There are no magic can make it faster, usb2 is the bottleneck.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Aug 22 2021, 12:38 PM)
USB2 is the connection, what do you expect? It's not the ssd issue, it's PEBKAC issue.
Even the USB3 is considered slow without UASP enabled.

There are no magic can make it faster, usb2 is the bottleneck.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Aug 22 2021, 12:38 PM)
USB2 is the connection, what do you expect? It's not the ssd issue, it's PEBKAC issue.
Even the USB3 is considered slow without UASP enabled.

There are no magic can make it faster, usb2 is the bottleneck.
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PC SATA interface, use as normal single drive for Windows PC.

After that I plug to USB to re-verify the speed and comparing with that 5400rpm HDD.

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QUOTE(antaras @ Aug 22 2021, 12:03 PM)
He cannot understand this question. Stop asking him this already.
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Well, I already PM some of them regarding their question because I'm thinking it could be isolated QC or faulty unit.

Since everyone keep asking the same question...
It's ADATA SU650.
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QUOTE(voscar @ Aug 22 2021, 01:07 PM)
Well, I already PM some of them regarding their question because I'm thinking it could be isolated QC or faulty unit.

Since everyone keep asking the same question...
It's ADATA SU650.
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there are things that can cause slow performance of ssd, e.g., 4k misalignment due to cloning, bad cable, bad sata port, driver issue, bios misconfiguration, etc.

for now, you can use adata ssd toolbox to check health status of the drive, and run as ssd benchmark to see if the 4k alignment is good.

for rma of the ssd, you might wanna contact adata at fb, https://www.facebook.com/AdataMalaysia/ to get more information about the process.

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Do u guys really give a shxt about ssd write cycle?

today my colleague keeps bugging me about this
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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 22 2021, 02:16 PM)
there are things that can cause slow performance of ssd, e.g., 4k misalignment due to cloning, bad cable, bad sata port, driver issue, bios misconfiguration, etc.

for now, you can use adata ssd toolbox to check health status of the drive, and run as ssd benchmark to see if the 4k alignment is good.

for rma of the ssd, you might wanna contact adata at fb, https://www.facebook.com/AdataMalaysia/ to get more information about the process.
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Thanks for your advice. I managed to get optimal speed on another newer laptop, done diskpart clean-up and fresh Windows installation...

When free gonna retry again on the older desktop PC with fresh installation, probably could be BIOS support issue or bad cloning. It was running fine with current Kingstone A400 for 2 years already...


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Do u guys really give a shxt about ssd write cycle?

today my colleague keeps bugging me about this
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QUOTE(gacktleong @ Aug 22 2021, 03:38 PM)
Do u guys really give a shxt about ssd write cycle?

today my colleague keeps bugging me about this
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Sss wear and tear is inevitable.
My 960evo is about 22tb tbw now, I store large downloads in separate disk. Cheap ssd with tlc or. Penta level cell means lower durability.
Just don't put anything important in ssd, that's all, cloud and ext hdd exists for a reason.
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QUOTE(gacktleong @ Aug 22 2021, 03:38 PM)
Do u guys really give a shxt about ssd write cycle?

today my colleague keeps bugging me about this
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no. these days, they are very affordable and accessible. as long as they are from decent brands, with appropriate usage, there is no need to worry about anything.

QUOTE(voscar @ Aug 22 2021, 05:58 PM)
Thanks for your advice. I managed to get optimal speed on another newer laptop, done diskpart clean-up and fresh Windows installation...

When free gonna retry again on the older desktop PC with fresh installation, probably could be BIOS support issue or bad cloning. It was running fine with current Kingstone A400 for 2 years already...
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no problem. it's good to know that it's resolved.

right, i suspected that it's related to one of the common issues that caused slow performannce for ssd.

QUOTE(1024kbps @ Aug 22 2021, 06:19 PM)
Sss wear and tear is inevitable.
My 960evo is about 22tb tbw now, I store large downloads in separate disk. Cheap ssd with tlc or. Penta level cell means lower durability.
Just don't put anything important in ssd, that's all, cloud and ext hdd exists for a reason.
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right, it's really a better practice to have multiple backups for important stuff.

tbh, the same simple approach saved me from troubles many times already.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Aug 22 2021, 06:19 PM)
Sss wear and tear is inevitable.
My 960evo is about 22tb tbw now, I store large downloads in separate disk. Cheap ssd with tlc or. Penta level cell means lower durability.
Just don't put anything important in ssd, that's all, cloud and ext hdd exists for a reason.
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every time ssd lifespan comes into discussion, i always see the keyword "don't put anything important in ssd", this kind of implies that ssds are not a safe place to store your data but isn't the same can be said to hdd?
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china forum reported that new batch WD SN550 1TB & 500GB write speed drop tremendously after the cache was exhausted

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=28144959

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=28181945

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Aug 23 2021, 12:33 AM)
every time ssd lifespan comes into discussion, i always see the keyword "don't put anything important in ssd", this kind of implies that ssds are not a safe place to store your data but isn't the same can be said to hdd?
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If you store extra copies elsewhere, then it's fine,
SSD drive has limited write cycle, badly configured, dram-less, tlc, small capacity will reduce the endurance.

I've seen too much people in tech support asking for data recovery. Cloud service and external hard drives are much more cheaper than data recovery, most people don't bother until thier drives cannot be accessed.
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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Aug 23 2021, 12:33 AM)
i always see the keyword "don't put anything important in ssd", this kind of implies that ssds are not a safe place to store your data but isn't the same can be said to hdd?
SSD is much more reliable than HDD but you still shouldn't store your important data in just 1 place. Should always have backup
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 23 2021, 03:23 AM)
china forum reported that new batch WD SN550 1TB & 500GB write speed drop tremendously after the cache was exhausted

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=28144959

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=28181945
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but under what circumstances will the cache be filled? Any daily tasks that we can relate to?
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QUOTE(antaras @ Aug 23 2021, 02:08 PM)
but under what circumstances will the cache be filled? Any daily tasks that we can relate to?
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copy big file
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as in copying one big file or multiple smaller files in one go?
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QUOTE(antaras @ Aug 23 2021, 03:06 PM)
as in copying one big file or multiple smaller files in one go?
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both…multiple small file memang slow because rely on its 4k write speed.

to explain it in simpler way:

old sn550 1tb if i copy 40gb file into it, the 1st 12GB will be written in full speed, then after that will drop to 800MB/s.

new sn550 1tb if i copy 40gb file into it, the 1st 12GB will be written in full speed, then after that will drop to 400MB/s.

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Aug 23 2021, 03:40 PM)
both…multiple small file memang slow because rely on its 4k write speed.

to explain it in simpler way:

old sn550 1tb if i copy 40gb file into it, the 1st 12GB will be written in full speed, then after that will drop to 800MB/s.

new sn550 1tb if i copy 40gb file into it, the 1st 12GB will be written in full speed, then after that will drop to 400MB/s.
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holy crap! half the speed! Thanks for explaining.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Aug 23 2021, 08:05 AM)
If you store extra copies elsewhere, then it's fine,
SSD drive has limited write cycle, badly configured, dram-less, tlc, small capacity will reduce the endurance.

I've seen too much people in tech support asking for data recovery. Cloud service and external hard drives are much more cheaper than data recovery, most people don't bother until thier drives cannot be accessed.
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basically if you get decent ssd's and get one with high endurance, you're kinda safe to go yea? I have encountered this in the past where I had BSOD on my plextor SSD (made in 2013) and upon reboot, some system files were permanently missing and this was one of the downside of SSD's back then. Are they still the same to this day with modern SSD's?

QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2021, 10:39 AM)
SSD is much more reliable than HDD but you still shouldn't store your important data in just 1 place. Should always have backup
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yup it goes without saying having multiple backup is good, and cloud backup is real handy and actually cheap if you only store key important files
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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Aug 23 2021, 06:22 PM)
basically if you get decent ssd's and get one with high endurance, you're kinda safe to go yea? I have encountered this in the past where I had BSOD on my plextor SSD (made in 2013) and upon reboot, some system files were permanently missing and this was one of the downside of SSD's back then. Are they still the same to this day with modern SSD's?
yup it goes without saying having multiple backup is good, and cloud backup is real handy and actually cheap if you only store key important files
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Had many ssd in my system, the only one still stay is 960 Evo.
Reputable brand like Sammy can update firmware easily, driver provided, come with free software.

22 tbw after several years of usage I'd say it's pretty good for money.
For the sake of stability, only use the connector directly from psu, and a good psu is important too.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Aug 25 2021, 08:04 AM)
Had many ssd in my system, the only one still stay is 960 Evo.
Reputable brand like Sammy can update firmware easily, driver provided, come with free software.

22 tbw after several years of usage I'd say it's pretty good for money.
For the sake of stability, only use the connector directly from psu, and a good psu is important too.
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yeah that was on an older system and it was an older ssd

i've had 26tbw on my 250gb 960 evo since 2017 and have never encountered that issue as well so i was thinking maybe that affected older drives when there werent much tech put into it
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Hi guys,
Plan to get 500gb ssd,
Looking at mx500 and samsung870evo..
Upcoming 9.9 sale, what kind price i should be expecting for both ssd respectively?
Now mx500 around rm25X and 870evo around 3XX still... Should i just buy the mx now? Or wait,
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QUOTE(Exeunt @ Aug 25 2021, 11:19 PM)
Hi guys,
Plan to get 500gb ssd,
Looking at mx500 and samsung870evo..
Upcoming 9.9 sale, what kind price i should be expecting for both ssd respectively?
Now mx500 around rm25X and 870evo around 3XX still... Should i just buy the mx now? Or wait,
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Think I saw MX500 1TB for around RM380 few days ago. If 9.9 have this price I think worth the wait.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Aug 26 2021, 09:46 PM)
Think I saw MX500 1TB for around RM380 few days ago. If 9.9 have this price I think worth the wait.
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Can share which seller ?
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QUOTE(xXAaronXx @ Aug 27 2021, 12:46 PM)
Can share which seller ?
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I think is genesisrapidonline at shopee. I remember the picture very colorful.
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Think I saw MX500 1TB for around RM380 few days ago. If 9.9 have this price I think worth the wait.
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Pls share which seller also. Looking to upgrade my ssd to 1tb
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QUOTE(syin16 @ Aug 27 2021, 08:20 PM)
Pls share which seller also. Looking to upgrade my ssd to 1tb
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One post above. But now no more that price.
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reportedly, samsung is also one of the manufacturers that plays the same tricks on part swapping to 970 evo plus, https://www.extremetech.com/computing/32637...g-its-customers

however, from the video in the article, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_jee5Q08OI it's different from wd's case, because it's more like relative improvements (same controller as 980 pro; increased size of slc cache)
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Increased slc cache size but decreased 50% write speed after slc cache exhausted.
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Looks like the cheapest mx500 1tb as of now is at rm392 at lazada under Genesis Rapid Online. Anyone found cheaper?
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PNY CS3030 2TB at RM899 from Shopee.
https://shopee.com.my/PNY-XLR8-CS3030-M.2-2...034?position=34

While stock lasts.

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What's the best value 240GB SATA SSD right now?
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QUOTE(Created On 21/1/2021 @ Sep 9 2021, 01:28 PM)
What's the best value 240GB SATA SSD right now?
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None. 500GB has better price/performance/storage. Crucial MX500

https://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=crucial%20mx500%20500gb
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with lazada bonus RM9 for every 99, it seems that I can now get the CS3040 2TB for RM884 rclxm9.gif

are there any known reliability issues with the E16 controller that this drive uses?
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hi, i have some qs.. thinking purchasing lenovo laptop. realized the storage is slightly different description.

512GB SSD M.2 2242 NVMe TLC
512GB SSD M.2 2242 PCIe 3.0x4 NVMe

Could not find info on comparing Nvme TLC vs PCIe Nvme. is the below nvme is MLC type? potentially? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Sep 9 2021, 03:32 PM)
with lazada bonus RM9 for every 99, it seems that I can now get the CS3040 2TB for RM884  rclxm9.gif

are there any known reliability issues with the E16 controller that this drive uses?
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Something very fishy though. Those with local manufacturers warranty is like RM16xx.
Those with local supplier warranty go from rm12xx to rm9xx for 2 TB.
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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Sep 14 2021, 10:16 AM)
Something very fishy though. Those with local manufacturers warranty is like RM16xx.
Those with local supplier warranty go from rm12xx to rm9xx for 2 TB.
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it was from PCByte, so they're pretty reputable, though it is an oddity that they could provide 2TB + 3600TBW + Gen4 for the price of sub 1k.

But I've actually cancelled my order cause wife was clearly unhappy with the purchase as she said I already bought too many NVMe's recently cry.gif

I went with 32GB RAM instead biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(AdvNetwork @ Sep 13 2021, 05:09 PM)
hi, i have some qs.. thinking purchasing lenovo laptop. realized the storage is slightly different description.

512GB SSD M.2 2242 NVMe TLC
512GB SSD M.2 2242 PCIe 3.0x4 NVMe

Could not find info on comparing Nvme TLC vs PCIe Nvme. is the below nvme is MLC type? potentially? hmm.gif
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If the price difference is huge, then possibly. But I'm gonna guess they're both TLC which most are these days.
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If the price difference is huge, then possibly. But I'm gonna guess they're both TLC which most are these days.
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different laptop screen size... 14" and 15" but with same price, different ssd description. sweat.gif
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But I've actually cancelled my order cause wife was clearly unhappy with the purchase as she said I already bought too many NVMe's recently  cry.gif
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This is probably the biggest stumbling block those of us who are married face when it comes to buying SSDs (or any other hardware). So made sure to get something for her as well.

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Sabrent Rocket Q 2TB going into wife's new laptop, replacing the original 512GB Adata from Dell. - this is the secret to making sure the wife doesn't complain about the others. icon_idea.gif
T-Force Cardea Zero Z330 2TB went into external enclosure for use as portable drive.
2x Samsung 980 Pro 2TB waiting for my new gaming laptop to arrive to replace the original 512GB from Dell.

Going to see how the Z330 performs in my normal use. If am satisfied with it over the next couple months, I might get more for a special purpose rig I will build later this year, since it's the cheapest I could find for the price.

Endurance of the cheaper drives is not an issue since I don't expect the usage to reach anywhere near the stated levels. I didn't benchmark the drives, just based on real-world usage experience. So far am happy with the cheap Z330 which is being used as portable drive with my older laptop, and for temporary backup of 2 laptops.



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QUOTE(Traveler @ Sep 14 2021, 09:19 PM)
This is probably the biggest stumbling block those of us who are married face when it comes to buying SSDs (or any other hardware). So made sure to get something for her as well.
i've bought her stuffs actually, but it's just that i told her about my disappointment with the MTE220S cause i paid more for it than the CS3040, and she said she'll pay for it instead. that's probably why she got tilted since it was just a month ago or lesser tongue.gif
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Anyone knows how to tell the new and old xpg sx8200pro from software?

I bought 1tb last year (before the scandal) and another one last 9.9

Did crystalmark test but couldn't tell the difference..

Likely due to the old nvme was 90% full capacity

I don't wish to format both drives just for speedtest
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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Sep 15 2021, 10:17 PM)
Anyone knows how to tell the new and old xpg sx8200pro from software?

I bought 1tb last year (before the scandal) and another one last 9.9

Did crystalmark test but couldn't tell the difference..

Likely due to the old nvme was 90% full capacity

I don't wish to format both drives just for speedtest
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You can try check the controller version
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Hi, Just bought my laptop and was wondering what's the max capacity of the M.2, slots. But I read somewhere online that there is no limits for M.2 slots?
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Hi, Just bought my laptop and was wondering what's the max capacity of the M.2, slots. But I read somewhere online that there is no limits for M.2 slots?
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i dont think so.. and currently the max consumer wide availability is 2TB

the sweet spot is 500GB (ard RM300_+)

so if you plan to insert between 500GB-1TB ; 99% no issue.. especially on new laptops
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QUOTE(HumbleBF @ Sep 20 2021, 12:48 AM)
Hi, Just bought my laptop and was wondering what's the max capacity of the M.2, slots. But I read somewhere online that there is no limits for M.2 slots?
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some laptop have 2 slot for M.2 (max at most) no limits as u mention it might be for storage - subjected to max capacity available for each m.2 (2tb so far biggest).
M.2 can be sata or NVMe interface. and for Nvme it comes with 3 different length 2240, 2260 and 2280... Lenovo for example, they use 2242 + 2280 (extra slot - depends with model and product range)

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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Sep 20 2021, 10:07 AM)
some laptop have 2 slot for M.2 (max at most) no limits as u mention it might be for storage - subjected to max capacity available for each m.2 (2tb so far biggest).
M.2 can be sata or NVMe interface. and for Nvme it comes with 3 different length 2240, 2260 and 2280...  Lenovo for example, they use 2242 + 2280 (extra slot - depends with model and product range)
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Mine comes with 2 M2 slots, it comes with 512GB. Length should be 2280. Longer length has better heat dispersion right?

HP VICTUS.
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anyone keen for used WD UltraStar 1.92TB SSD 2.5" 7mm form factor, 3 units up for grab

pulled out from server

https://www.carousell.com.my/p/western-digi...gtiMaM8aM7CvLeN
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Samsung 970 Evo plus and Samsung 980 what's the difference? I see the read and write speed seems to be same but price quite different. M.2 PCIE3.0
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QUOTE(HumbleBF @ Sep 21 2021, 08:27 PM)
Samsung 970 Evo plus and Samsung 980 what's the difference? I see the read and write speed seems to be same but price quite different. M.2 PCIE3.0
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samsung 980 is their latest ssd but it's dramless compared to 970 evo plus which still includes dram cache. they claim the 980 uses system memory as cache instead.
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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Sep 21 2021, 09:13 PM)
samsung 980 is their latest ssd but it's dramless compared to 970 evo plus which still includes dram cache. they claim the 980 uses system memory as cache instead.
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Wow I see...hmm there's so much of difference in price from Samsung 980 and 970 Evo Plus, is it really worth that much for the DRAM
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QUOTE(HumbleBF @ Sep 21 2021, 11:11 PM)
Wow I see...hmm there's so much of difference in price from Samsung 980 and 970 Evo Plus, is it really worth that much for the DRAM
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IMO 970 evo plus is kinda outdated, for similar prices you can get pcie gen4 drives that are way better like the wd sn850, or if you're currently limited to a budget and dont have gen4 motherboard, the pny cs3040 1tb costs about RM700 and is an actual gen4 drive, and you'll be capped if using gen3 slots.
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i've bought her stuffs actually, but it's just that i told her about my disappointment with the MTE220S cause i paid more for it than the CS3040, and she said she'll pay for it instead. that's probably why she got tilted since it was just a month ago or lesser  tongue.gif
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Capacity and price you bought? Using for OS? Any problem so far?
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Capacity and price you bought? Using for OS? Any problem so far?
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if you mean the MTE220S, i bought 2tb for rm1200

this is just my data drive, but im glad to say that performance wise, it's doing real good, though i'd recommend getting heatsink for it since it can get real hot

here's the cdm benchmark that i took before on default settings

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and here's cdm benchmark that i just took on nvme settings

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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Sep 20 2021, 10:07 AM)
some laptop have 2 slot for M.2 (max at most) no limits as u mention it might be for storage - subjected to max capacity available for each m.2 (2tb so far biggest).
M.2 can be sata or NVMe interface. and for Nvme it comes with 3 different length 2240, 2260 and 2280...  Lenovo for example, they use 2242 + 2280 (extra slot - depends with model and product range)
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Does it matter if the SSD is Gen3 or Gen4? old laptop with M2 slot will be compatible ?
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QUOTE(BlueMarlin @ Sep 29 2021, 09:50 AM)
Does it matter if the SSD is Gen3 or Gen4? old laptop with M2 slot will be compatible ?
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as far as i know.. old laptop that have m2 slot is mostly m2 sata.. not nvme... ssd gen3 and gen4 does matter as the speed it offer also different... but it subjected to motherboard capability. if mobo only support gen3.. u still can use gen4 m2, but the speed will be cap..
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do you think upgrading NVME Gen 3 to Gen 4 has any impact in booting windows or gaming?

Read Speed: 3k Mbps --> 7k Mbps?

specifically SX8200Pro to CS3040

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Sep 29 2021, 10:49 AM)
do you think upgrading NVME Gen 3 to Gen 4 has any impact in booting windows or gaming?

Read Speed: 3k Mbps --> 7k Mbps?

specifically SX8200Pro to CS3040
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gen 3 and gen 4 generally have the same loading time for windows. for games hard to notice......just a small differences... hard to notice
few videos in youtube..

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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Sep 29 2021, 10:57 AM)
gen 3 and gen 4 generally have the same loading time for windows. for games hard to notice......just a small differences... hard to notice
few videos in youtube..

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looks like 0.1sec difference... not worth upgrading it then..
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QUOTE(BlueMarlin @ Sep 29 2021, 09:50 AM)
old laptop with M2 slot will be compatible ?
Depends on your laptop model
Some laptop M.2 slot only supports SATA
Some laptop M.2 slot only supports NVMe
Some laptop M.2 slot supports both SATA & NVMe
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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Sep 29 2021, 11:03 AM)
looks like 0.1sec difference... not worth upgrading it then..
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do you think upgrading NVME Gen 3 to Gen 4 has any impact in booting windows or gaming?

Read Speed: 3k Mbps --> 7k Mbps?

specifically SX8200Pro to CS3040
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Just like the youtube video, very small difference. The streams of data still need to be processed first before it completed boot or start game.
Windows is only about 4GB of data to read. Data for game need to be processed first.
I think when DirectStorage became available only can see the benefit of Gen4.
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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Sep 29 2021, 10:57 AM)
gen 3 and gen 4 generally have the same loading time for windows. for games hard to notice......just a small differences... hard to notice
few videos in youtube..

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Direct storage is only for gaming, for win11 they didnt announce anything new to bootup windows.
maybe is possible that in the future, direct storage will also work with sata ssd and pcie 3?
Then all gen of IO can also benefit by that.
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QUOTE(Rainings @ Sep 29 2021, 02:45 PM)
Direct storage is only for gaming, for win11 they didnt announce anything new to bootup windows.
maybe is possible that in the future, direct storage will also work with sata ssd and pcie 3?
Then all gen of IO can also benefit by that.
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maybe.. maybe not... or there will be newer architecture with better protocol that allow directstorage to be more utilized.. hard to say...
too many things that evolve, hard to catchup all at one time sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Rainings @ Sep 29 2021, 02:45 PM)
Direct storage is only for gaming, for win11 they didnt announce anything new to bootup windows.
maybe is possible that in the future, direct storage will also work with sata ssd and pcie 3?
Then all gen of IO can also benefit by that.
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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Sep 29 2021, 04:53 PM)
maybe.. maybe not... or there will be newer architecture with better protocol that allow directstorage to be more utilized.. hard to say...
too many things that evolve, hard to catchup all at one time  sweat.gif
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After playing few round of games ; HWinfo shows the read speed MAX is only 350MB/s ; while in Disk Benchmark shows SX8200Pro can get 3000MB/s

Looks ; it only use 10% of throughput to load windows & games


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user posted image - NVME Settings


user posted image - Default Settings

Guys i ran a benchmark on my laptop SSD, which is a 512GB micron MTFDHBA512TDV-1AZ1AABHA.

Seems to be way off with what I've searched
https://www.avnet.com/shop/apac/products/mi...12TDV-1AZ1AABHA


Is this normal? What do you guys think about this speed?

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QUOTE(HumbleBF @ Oct 11 2021, 11:36 PM)
user posted image - NVME Settings
user posted image - Default Settings

Guys i ran a benchmark on my laptop SSD, which is a 512GB micron MTFDHBA512TDV-1AZ1AABHA.

Seems to be way off with what I've searched
https://www.avnet.com/shop/apac/products/mi...12TDV-1AZ1AABHA
Is this normal? What do you guys think about this speed?
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feels like either it's running at x2 speed instead of x4, or it's thermal throttling
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QUOTE(HumbleBF @ Oct 11 2021, 11:36 PM)
user posted image - NVME Settings
user posted image - Default Settings

Guys i ran a benchmark on my laptop SSD, which is a 512GB micron MTFDHBA512TDV-1AZ1AABHA.

Seems to be way off with what I've searched
https://www.avnet.com/shop/apac/products/mi...12TDV-1AZ1AABHA
Is this normal? What do you guys think about this speed?
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Running on x2 speed.
This is mine on x2 speed

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feels like either it's running at x2 speed instead of x4, or it's thermal throttling
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Running on x2 speed.
This is mine on x2 speed

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Why is it running on x2 speed? how can i get it running back to full speed
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QUOTE(HumbleBF @ Oct 12 2021, 03:38 PM)
I don't think its thermal throttling as I am not doing anything while running the tests.
Why is it running on x2 speed? how can i get it running back to full speed
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Check the spec if that port support up to x4 or only x2.
Check at BIOS if can set to Gen 3 x4.
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Weird, i've just done some clean up on my storage and uninstalled some apps and now it seems like its running back on full speed.. not sure why.


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those who on NVME...

apart from Disk Benchmark.. do you get full speed when loading windows or playing games?

I noticed when load windows & play games ; i only get MAX 300MB/s read speed...
When Benchmark I can get 3000MB/s

So definitely its not an issue with settings/throttle etc

Btw I'm using HWiNFO to monitor the read speed


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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Oct 17 2021, 11:31 AM)
those who on NVME...

apart from Disk Benchmark.. do you get full speed when loading windows or playing games?

I noticed when load windows & play games ; i only get MAX 300MB/s read speed...
When Benchmark I can get 3000MB/s

So definitely its not an issue with settings/throttle etc

Btw I'm using HWiNFO to monitor the read speed
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no. you should know that those benchmark numbers are based on a set of controlled scenarios, meant for comparison purposes.

in real world usage, especially for home/office/gaming, which consists of random 4k read/write, and involve mainly small files, the speed (in MBps) will not reach its peak in these operations. even if you compared the same between good sata and nvme ssd, differences are not really significant.

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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 17 2021, 12:53 PM)
no. you should know that those benchmark numbers are based on a set of controlled scenarios, meant for comparison purposes.

in real world usage, especially for home/office/gaming, which consists of random 4k read/write, and involve mainly small files, the speed (in MBps) will not reach its peak in these operations. even if you compared the same between good sata and nvme ssd, differences are not really significant.
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well.. aside from bragging rights or big e-penis

What's the point of going for fast speed nvme.. or gen 4.. if most if not all applications cant even utilize it
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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Oct 17 2021, 01:51 PM)
well.. aside from bragging rights or big e-penis

What's the point of going for fast speed nvme.. or gen 4.. if most if not all applications cant even utilize it
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hehe it really depends on what's the ssd is for, and choices based on current price-performance also.

for instance, for professional work purposes, you can make better use of these high-speed drives. also, for similar price range, you might also choose to get the ones with higher specs.

e.g., based on current pricelist from viewnet:
- kingston kc600, sata3, 2tb - 999myr;
- transcend mte220s, pci-e gen3 nvme, 2tb - 999myr

which one do you pick up? biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Oct 17 2021, 01:51 PM)
well.. aside from bragging rights or big e-penis

What's the point of going for fast speed nvme.. or gen 4.. if most if not all applications cant even utilize it
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Gen 4 only benefits if the workload takes advantage of the increased in speed. For the majority of normal users, Gen 3 drives will suffice. Even a hardware enthusiast will be well serviced with the earlier Gen 4 drives speeds of 5k+. Those current new Gen 4 with speeds of 7k ++ are pointless for most users. Only for benching they look great and for bragging rights. Plus there's a significant drop in endurance level from the earlier Gen 4 drives.
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Hi, is Crucial MX500 2.5" drive still the best bang for buck ssd ? a friend is searching for a new 2.5" drive, been checking the ssd spreadsheet, but too many variants and quite confusing sweat.gif

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QUOTE(MagnificM @ Nov 12 2021, 10:40 AM)
Hi, is Crucial MX500 2.5" drive still the best bang for buck ssd ? a friend is searching for a new 2.5" drive, been checking the ssd spreadsheet, but too many variants and quite confusing  sweat.gif
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Yes, MX500 is the best price/performance.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H7FnPXWYRn...7rmqgwXLvO/view
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Nov 12 2021, 10:48 AM)
Yes, MX500 is the best price/performance.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H7FnPXWYRn...7rmqgwXLvO/view
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Nov 12 2021, 10:48 AM)
Yes, MX500 is the best price/performance.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H7FnPXWYRn...7rmqgwXLvO/view
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1111 just buy MX500 1TB, is it possible clone from 500GB HDD to 1TB SSD?
For my 9 years old PC
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QUOTE(PJng @ Nov 12 2021, 07:35 PM)
1111 just buy MX500 1TB, is it possible clone from 500GB HDD to 1TB SSD?
For my 9 years old PC
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Yes possible. But if you have not done a fresh install for many years, this could be the time you do it.
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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Nov 12 2021, 07:33 PM)
Yes possible. But if you have not done a fresh install for many years, this could be the time you do it.
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Yes, after i clean install windows 10 version 1511 using windows 7 key, i never clean install until now
Still worth to clean install on old pc right
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Yes, after i clean install windows 10 version 1511 using windows 7 key, i never clean install until now
Still worth to clean install on old pc right
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Yes, worth to do it.
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And will have some question about bios, partition, old HDD
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Hmmm my new Samsung 980 SSD comes with 555GB written already, is it normal?
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Hmmm my new Samsung 980 SSD comes with 555GB written already, is it normal?
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should not be, that's quite clearly used IMO
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Hmmm my new Samsung 980 SSD comes with 555GB written already, is it normal?
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Hmm weird, even my new laptop SSD has over 300GB written.
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1111 just buy MX500 1TB, is it possible clone from 500GB HDD to 1TB SSD?
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for rm 1200 u can get a ADATA XPG SX8200 PRO 2TB
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for rm 1200 u can get a ADATA XPG SX8200 PRO 2TB
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Kingston KC3000 1tb. Can't get the advertised write IOPS of 1 mil sweat.gif

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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Dec 29 2021, 02:14 PM)
Kingston KC3000 1tb. Can't get the advertised write IOPS of 1 mil  sweat.gif

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63% filled. Thats why. Performance drops everytime you add something to the drive.
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Kingston KC3000 1tb. Can't get the advertised write IOPS of 1 mil  sweat.gif

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Pretty close there. U can't complain for how much it is selling for.
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QUOTE(targon @ Dec 29 2021, 03:43 PM)
Pretty close there. U can't complain for how much it is selling for.
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Also, Kingston is one of the companies switches chip without telling people.

https://www.techpowerup.com/290339/psa-king...c-smi-or-phison

This is not the first time.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Dec 29 2021, 02:29 PM)
63% filled. Thats why. Performance drops everytime you add something to the drive.
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Tried at 0% filled. Still can't break the 900k IOPS barrier
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Which is weird since Tom's can get their review sample to hit 1.4 mil sweat.gif

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Dec 30 2021, 07:22 AM)
Also, Kingston is one of the companies switches chip without telling people.

https://www.techpowerup.com/290339/psa-king...c-smi-or-phison

This is not the first time.
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Any way for me to check without voiding my warranty? Pretty happy with my read speeds though which is higher than the retail spec..
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Come with original box packaged with sticker sealed?
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Tried at 0% filled. Still can't break the 900k IOPS barrier
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Which is weird since Tom's can get their review sample to hit 1.4 mil  sweat.gif

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Any way for me to check without voiding my warranty? Pretty happy with my read speeds though which is higher than the retail spec..
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Tom's tested at Q16T16 ...... shld be in the settings menu
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Tom's tested at Q16T16 ...... shld be in the settings menu
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Yeah did that already. Tried different iteration of D256. Q32T8, Q16T16, Q8T32 etc. All about the same number, none above 900k
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Yeah did that already. Tried different iteration of D256. Q32T8, Q16T16, Q8T32 etc. All about the same number, none above 900k
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This is mine using Core i9-12900K, 32GB DDR4-3600 16-16-16-32, Q16/T16, Peak Performance, Write [+mix] only. MP600 Pro XT 2TB installed on direct from CPU M.2 slot.

Windows 10
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Windows 11
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Tom's Hardware test setup.
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Probably need to crank up the RAM.

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Dec 31 2021, 05:58 PM)
This is mine using Core i9-12900K, 32GB DDR4-3600 16-16-16-32, Q16/T16, Peak Performance, Write [+mix] only. MP600 Pro XT 2TB installed on direct from CPU M.2 slot.

Windows 10
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Windows 11
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Tom's Hardware test setup.
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Probably need to crank up the RAM.
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From my previous model, Samsung 970 Evo plus to 980 pro, the read / write speeds are double, but I can’t tell the different.

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QUOTE(Benefon @ Dec 31 2021, 10:44 PM)
From my previous model, Samsung 970 Evo plus to 980 pro, the read / write speeds are double, but I can’t tell the different.
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You can feel minimal differences for real world usage on good SSD to another good SSD upgrades. There are a few exceptions u can see more boosts out there.
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You can feel minimal differences for real world usage on good SSD to another good SSD upgrades. There are a few exceptions u can see more boosts out there.
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This is mine using Core i9-12900K, 32GB DDR4-3600 16-16-16-32, Q16/T16, Peak Performance, Write [+mix] only. MP600 Pro XT 2TB installed on direct from CPU M.2 slot.

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Probably need to crank up the RAM.
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Tried cranking up my RAM to 3600 with CL16 timing. Best I got was 890k. Maybe an issue with ryzen’s pcie 4.0 implementation?
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Tried cranking up my RAM to 3600 with CL16 timing. Best I got was 890k. Maybe an issue with ryzen’s pcie 4.0 implementation?
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Performance sinks when other timings isn't optimized. I'm testing it myself as well.

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Yeah original package with sealed. Just gotta live with it I guess
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Usually, I purchased Samsung PM9a1 from Aliexpress, the SSD are used and removed from Lenovo laptops.
Cheap and good, Samsung OEM, speeds equal to 980 Pro.

Links as below

Samsung PM9a1

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haha have to refer back to Seller  hmm.gif

Usually, I purchased Samsung PM9a1 from Aliexpress, the SSD are used and removed from Lenovo laptops.
Cheap and good, Samsung OEM, speeds equal to 980 Pro.

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Just purchased a Samsung EVO SSD for upgrade on my old PC running on HDD (Win7). I'd like to install this SSD with Win10. During installation, should I disconnect the HDD (Win7) to prevent any potential issues?

If I'd like to run dual boot will this cause an issue that the W7 boot files not updated to the level of W10?

https://neosmart.net/forums/threads/two-sep...d-win-10.18656/

Anyone done dual boot on different drives successfully? Appreciate the advice. Thanks.

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Hi,
Just purchased a Samsung EVO SSD for upgrade on my old PC running on HDD (Win7). I'd like to install this SSD with Win10. During installation, should I disconnect the HDD (Win7) to prevent any potential issues?

If I'd like to run dual boot will this cause an issue that the W7 boot files not updated to the level of W10?

https://neosmart.net/forums/threads/two-sep...d-win-10.18656/

Anyone done dual boot on different drives successfully? Appreciate the advice. Thanks.
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If you want to dual boot, with option to choose which OS during boot, you need to keep the HDD connected so that Win 10 create boot option. Not sure will it create issue as that link.

I done dual boot Win 10 before, on 1 SSD with 2 partition.
When boot first Win 10, first partition is C: while second partition is D:
When boot second Win 10, second partition is C: while first partition is D:
So by right each Windows only write system files on their own partition and doesn't interfere other partition. I don't know if Win 7 will make changes on the boot which caused it to break or anything. You also should avoid using another disk as pagefile as that might cause issue, Win sometimes auto set other drive use for pagefile.
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Guys, appreaciates if can recommend a budget and reliable 2.5" SSD (1TB) that can be used as secondary drive for programs and games installation path.

Main Drive - Corsair M.2 MP510 (480GB)


Thank you!

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Guys, appreaciates if can recommend a budget and reliable 2.5" SSD (1TB) that can be used as secondary drive for programs and games installation path.

Main Drive - Corsair M.2 MP510 (480GB)
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Try Crucial MX500 or Samsung 860 Evo
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Guys, appreaciates if can recommend a budget and reliable 2.5" SSD (1TB) that can be used as secondary drive for programs and games installation path.

Main Drive - Corsair M.2 MP510 (480GB)
Thank you!
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wait for promo on shopee or lazada, crucial mx500 1tb can get for rm330 or so, normal price should be around RM360-RM380 if not mistaken
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Try Crucial MX500 or Samsung 860 Evo
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wait for promo on shopee or lazada, crucial mx500 1tb can get for rm330 or so, normal price should be around RM360-RM380 if not mistaken
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Thanks mate.. Crucial MX500 it is!

noted on the promo price!

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Thinking of getting a ~250GB NVME SSD for Linux dual boot use this CNY.

Looked around and seems like Kingston KC2500 is best for around ~RM150 price range.

Any other suggestions around that price range?
Already checked Silicon Power A60/A80, Corsair Force MP510
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Thinking of getting a ~250GB NVME SSD for Linux dual boot use this CNY.

Looked around and seems like Kingston KC2500 is best for around ~RM150 price range.

Any other suggestions around that price range?
Already checked Silicon Power A60/A80, Corsair Force MP510
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Yup. KC2500 is best price/performance.
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I can vouch for kc2500. given its cheap price in Malaysia, I'm surprised it is hardly being recommended. its performance is up there and temps are good. likewise for kc3000.
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Bought KC2500 500 GB.

Tested Read : 3210 and Write 2480 on macOS Monterey. sad.gif
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Bought KC2500 500 GB.

Tested Read : 3210 and Write 2480 on macOS Monterey. sad.gif
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Almost as fast as it's spec
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Maximum Read Transfer Rate: 3500 MB/s
Maximum Write Transfer Rate: 2500 MB/s

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Almost as fast as it's spec
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Maximum Write Transfer Rate: 2500 MB/s

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I was expecting Read speed : 3480. sad.gif

I have ADATA SX8200 Pro 512GB that I bought in 2019, now it is about 286 GB available.
The read speed has dropped to 3079 and write dropped to 2110 currently.

Is this normal? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Feb 13 2022, 09:15 AM)
I was expecting Read speed : 3480. sad.gif

I have ADATA SX8200 Pro 512GB that I bought in 2019, now it is about 286 GB available.
The read speed has dropped to 3079 and write dropped to 2110 currently.

Is this normal? hmm.gif
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Normal for performance to decrease if filled up. Also possible the OS is writing/reading on the SSD for other stuff at the same time. Driver not optimized. If Win 11, last time it got problem with SSD running slow, but latest update should have fixed it. I got same SSD, mine read speed 3.5k, write 2.2k. 30% fill and host write 26TB. On Win 11. NVME SSD is already very fast, 10% slower won't feel the difference on light writing/reading.
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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Feb 13 2022, 09:15 AM)
I was expecting Read speed : 3480. sad.gif

I have ADATA SX8200 Pro 512GB that I bought in 2019, now it is about 286 GB available.
The read speed has dropped to 3079 and write dropped to 2110 currently.

Is this normal? hmm.gif
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if it is easy for you to do so, move all your data/files out of the ssd, and run trim a few times.
then rerun the speed test on the empty ssd and see if the speed increases back to previouysly.
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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Feb 13 2022, 08:01 AM)
Bought KC2500 500 GB.

Tested Read : 3210 and Write 2480 on macOS Monterey. sad.gif
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mine is close to the advertised spec (edit: after firmware update).. but installed as a secondary drive and about 30GB used.
not as fast as my samseng evo plus but given the price is substantially cheaper, i can't complain.

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Value king for PCIE 3.0 is back.

Transcend MTE220S 2TB at RM943 and RM959
https://shopee.com.my/Transcend-256GB-512GB...3596.5392973685?
https://shopee.com.my/TRANSCEND-MTE220S-PCI...e2-45e991d90852

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thanks a for this. will get few more. i mainly use them for apps, work and games; it's not bad.

the price of 2x of this is around 1x crucial m500 960gb back in 2013.


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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 18 2022, 10:26 AM)
thanks a for this. will get few more. i mainly use them for apps, work and games; it's not bad.

the price of 2x of this is around 1x crucial m500 960gb back in 2013.
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Yup, it has insane TBW too. They did not revise it. Buy from Ooree at RM959. RM943 one got 3 years warranty?

Olden day SSDs prices are much higher due to less competition.

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Yup, it has insane TBW too. They did not revise it. Buy from Ooree at RM959. RM943 one got 3 years warranty?

Olden day SSDs prices are much higher due to less competition.
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well, in terms of warranty, i guess transcend will honor it. i'm not sure why that guy put 3-year instead of 5.
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cheaper than what i paid for months back blink.gif
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cheaper than what i paid for months back  blink.gif
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PNY Gen4 prices are down now, both CS3040 and CS3140.
https://shopee.com.my/PNY-XLR8-CS3140-M.2-2...b0-b800bd381edd

https://shopee.com.my/PNY-XLR8-CS3040-M.2-2...99-08046f64b90d
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Fuh, hand itchy ready. 2TB PCIE 4.0 for rm1109 is killer.
Tempted to get 2 pieces. Use it to replace my SX8200...
I'm surprised price is going down even with this news circulating:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/western-d...-price-hike-ssd
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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Feb 21 2022, 05:59 PM)
Fuh, hand itchy ready. 2TB PCIE 4.0 for rm1109 is killer.
Tempted to get 2 pieces. Use it to replace my SX8200...
I'm surprised price is going down even with this news circulating:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/western-d...-price-hike-ssd
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May be no more part shortage, other brands now increase production fighting for wd shortfall.
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Crucial P2 NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 Internal SSD Desktop/Laptop SSD Storage
250GB ~ Rm159
500GB ~ Rm265
1TB ~ Rm439
2TB ~ Rm889
https://shopee.com.my/Crucial-P2-NVMe-PCIe-...0d-4cf4826fd40c
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WD SN850 may not be compatible when connected to LGA 1700 chipset slots. Direct CPU M.2 slot works great. It stutters when connected to my Z690 chipset M.2 slot. I would advise avoiding this SSD until they fix it if you plan to use it on chipset M.2 slot on LGA 1700 boards.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Feb 28 2022, 12:02 PM)
WD SN850 may not be compatible when connected to LGA 1700 chipset slots. Direct CPU M.2 slot works great. It stutters when connected to my Z690 chipset M.2 slot. I would advise avoiding this SSD until they fix it if you plan to use it on chipset M.2 slot on LGA 1700 boards.
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This sounds vaguely similar to the Ryzen bug:
https://www.pcgamer.com/wd-is-fixing-a-bug-...0-motherboards/

But it was patched out eventually.


EDIT:
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I managed to get 2x pieces 2TB PNY CS3140. Performance is not as advertised but it's still okay-ish.
Real world transfer maxes out at 3GB/s and it does get low if the files are larger than 60GB.
Top one is connected to CPU M2 slot while the bottom one is the mainboard chipset M2 slot.

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Now the only issue I face is, I need a proper enclosure for my SX8200. I got myself the UGREEN enclosure and even with the pre-applied thermal pad, write speed gets throttled to like 30MB/s.
Anyone tried these 2 before?
Speedbyte / RM50 : https://mall.shopee.com.my/M2-SSD-Enclosure...7007.5520761138

ORICO / RM169 :
https://mall.shopee.com.my/ORICO-LSDT-20Gbp...87-7ab46ed4de5f




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Hi guys, i use the crucial clone disk to change my 500gb secondary drive to crucial mx500 1tb ssd. After finish the clone, they assign my drive to e:, my previous drive is d: .. then now problem come, cos that drive is where i install my games and like link those spotify songs etc, now not working because they assign diff drive number. how to fix? i tried use disk management, but it say parameter is incorrect sad.gif
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 9 2022, 04:17 PM)
Hi guys, i use the crucial clone disk to change my 500gb secondary drive to crucial mx500 1tb ssd. After finish the clone, they assign my drive to e:, my previous drive is d: .. then now problem come, cos that drive is where i install my games and like link those spotify songs etc, now not working because they assign diff drive number. how to fix? i tried use disk management, but it say parameter is incorrect sad.gif
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Got screenshot?

All about settings. Only if the app allows. You will have to install or download again if there is none of the options. People cannot tell you when there is not enough details.

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 9 2022, 04:17 PM)
Hi guys, i use the crucial clone disk to change my 500gb secondary drive to crucial mx500 1tb ssd. After finish the clone, they assign my drive to e:, my previous drive is d: .. then now problem come, cos that drive is where i install my games and like link those spotify songs etc, now not working because they assign diff drive number. how to fix? i tried use disk management, but it say parameter is incorrect sad.gif
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i think you can also reassign your drives. yes, these are just software settings. worst comes to worst, just reinstall, and reconfigure.
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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Mar 1 2022, 02:12 PM)
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I am actually fine with those benchmarks (for that value), since I just use it for gaming. It is recreating a itch now for me to buy the CS3140 to accompany my CS3040 I bought sometime back. Why la poison me.

Do you do large file transfers often?

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QUOTE(Sesshoumaru @ Mar 9 2022, 10:09 PM)
I am actually fine with those benchmarks (for that value), since I just use it for gaming. It is recreating a itch now for me to buy the CS3140 to accompany my CS3040 I bought sometime back. Why la poison me.

Do you do large file transfers often?
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Recently I've been playing alot of DIRT2, and I now picked up a habit of recording my replays. I've collected about 100GB worth of DIRT2 replays over the past month. So yeah I do the occasional transfer between drives. Probably once or twice a week.

I notice the real world tranfer hovers between 2GB/s and 3GB/s.
I assume this is something due to transfer overhead or the fact that I'm using WIN10.

I think the move from GEN3/CS3040 to CS3140 is not worth it. However if you are coming from a mechanical drive or SSD, then yeah. Especialy with price of RM1109 for 2TB.

Does you CS3040 come with a chunky heat spreader pre-applied?

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Got screenshot?

All about settings. Only if the app allows. You will have to install or download again if there is none of the options. People cannot tell you when there is not enough details.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 9 2022, 08:09 PM)
i think you can also reassign your drives. yes, these are just software settings. worst comes to worst, just reinstall, and reconfigure.
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Thanks guys for the reply. I just found out the root cause, because windows automatically assign virtual memory to my drive, hence unable to switch the drive letter. After i turn off that, then ok already. BUt it already fuk up my windows xbox gamepass game folder lol.. should be in WindowsApps this folder, but cannot open in, cannot delete also. Dont know how to delete it now.
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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Mar 10 2022, 10:06 AM)
Recently I've been playing alot of DIRT2, and I now picked up a habit of recording my replays. I've collected about 100GB worth of DIRT2 replays over the past month. So yeah I do the occasional transfer between drives. Probably once or twice a week.

I notice the real world tranfer hovers between 2GB/s and 3GB/s.
I assume this is something due to transfer overhead or the fact that I'm using WIN10.

I think the move from GEN3/CS3040 to CS3140 is not worth it. However if you are coming from a mechanical drive or SSD, then yeah. Especialy with price of RM1109 for 2TB.

Does you CS3040 come with a chunky heat spreader pre-applied?
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Replays? Are you a youtuber?

Thinking of it as an addition. Swap out my main CPU M.2. slot to CS3140, and relegate the CS3040 to PCI-E. This will be troublesome though as my Windows etc. is all on my old drive. Then again, I realised this is overkill from a space perspective, I still have my old PC fully intact with space still available, and here I am adding another 2 TB NVME while my main is only 1.5 TB used.

Nope it does not come with a heatsink. I actually prefer not to have one if I pull the trigger for CS3140 since I will be using my motherboard M.2 heatsinks instead (hoping to save some pennies).
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QUOTE(Sesshoumaru @ Mar 10 2022, 04:55 PM)
Replays? Are you a youtuber?

Thinking of it as an addition. Swap out my main CPU M.2. slot to CS3140, and relegate the CS3040 to PCI-E. This will be troublesome though as my Windows etc. is all on my old drive. Then again, I realised this is overkill from a space perspective, I still have my old PC fully intact with space still available, and here I am adding another 2 TB NVME while my main is only 1.5 TB used.

Nope it does not come with a heatsink. I actually prefer not to have one if I pull the trigger for CS3140 since I will be using my motherboard M.2 heatsinks instead (hoping to save some pennies).
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Haha, not a youtuber. Just recording for the heck of it.

Well the CS3140, comes pre-installed with the heat sink.
Removing it will be messy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LkN9fOOz08&t=123s
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I need some help putting a ssd inside a usb casing and playing games from there is ok or putting nvme in nvme usb casing better?

nvme size pricing so far better one is transcend but price incrasing and limit to 2TB max size but crucial mx500 limit to 4TB.

Or should I just a get a 4TB usb hdd instead since its cheaper?

I alreafy try usb 2.0 flashdrive playing games. The game so slow until freeze. I'm playing online games.

What about vibration if suing external hdd?
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QUOTE(Verb @ Mar 11 2022, 04:42 PM)
I need some help putting a ssd inside a usb casing and playing games from there is ok or putting nvme in nvme usb casing better?

nvme size pricing so far better one is transcend but price incrasing and limit to 2TB max size but crucial mx500 limit to 4TB.

Or should I just a get a 4TB usb hdd instead since its cheaper?

I alreafy try usb 2.0 flashdrive playing games. The game so slow until freeze. I'm playing online games.

What about vibration if suing external hdd?
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USB 2.0 only 480mbps (60MB/s) . That only if the flash isnt crap. Obviously go for Nvme.

USB HDD is not great. Still HDD speed. 4TB is very likely a slow 5400rpm too.
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QUOTE(Verb @ Mar 11 2022, 04:42 PM)
I need some help putting a ssd inside a usb casing and playing games from there is ok or putting nvme in nvme usb casing better?

nvme size pricing so far better one is transcend but price incrasing and limit to 2TB max size but crucial mx500 limit to 4TB.

Or should I just a get a 4TB usb hdd instead since its cheaper?

I alreafy try usb 2.0 flashdrive playing games. The game so slow until freeze. I'm playing online games.

What about vibration if suing external hdd?
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USB drives, even 3.0 ones are painfully slow these days
all the good flash is reserved for ssds

usb drives only good for casual storage and file transfer these days

USB HDD is enough to play games in my experience
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QUOTE(Verb @ Mar 11 2022, 04:42 PM)
I need some help putting a ssd inside a usb casing and playing games from there is ok or putting nvme in nvme usb casing better?


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I tried putting my 2TB SX8200 NVME into one UGREEN enclosure. Results were atrocious because there was no proper cooling element. It slowed it down to like 18MB/s.
Even if you get one with proper thermal pad and built in fan, speed will max out at 600MB/s (USB3.2 Gen 1) or 1000MB/s(USB3.2 Gen 2).
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What if I put crucial mx500 4TB into external usb casing. Will have I have cooling problem or playing games?

transcend max is 2TB nvme not enough for me. Current games and data already close to 1.5TB if I continue download new games Will exceed 2Tb in no time.

crucial mx500 4Tb size seem to fit me but I only worry about any problem playing games if I put the ssd inside usb casing.

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QUOTE(Verb @ Mar 12 2022, 06:33 PM)
What if I put crucial mx500 4TB into external usb casing. Will have I have cooling problem or playing games?

transcend max is 2TB nvme not enough for me. Current games and data already close to 1.5TB if I continue download new games Will exceed 2Tb in no time.

crucial mx500 4Tb size seem to fit me but I only worry about any problem playing games if I put the ssd inside usb casing.
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Get a good USB 3.1 enclosure, it should work fine. Don't know much on this department. I've seen my USB 3.1 enclosure struggling to run on USB 3.0 hub. Had to use powered USB 3.0 hub to run it properly. Just be prepared to use powered USB 3.0 hub if your motherboard does not supply enough power.

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Can you guys suggest a good 1tb SSD below RM500? I will use this as boot drive.
I was thinking of getting a WD blue SN550 but any suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance.

This is my rig spec:
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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Mar 18 2022, 12:58 AM)
Can you guys suggest a good 1tb SSD below RM500? I will use this as boot drive.
I was thinking of getting a WD blue SN550 but any suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance.

This is my rig spec:
Processor:AMD Ryzen 2600X
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SSD:Intel 540s 240GB
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Nvme or sata ssd?
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 18 2022, 07:34 AM)
Nvme or sata ssd?
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I wanted to try Nvme but if the motherboard doesnt support/ perform worse than sata then I will go sata. I am familiar with sata ssd but nvme is kinda new to me.
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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Mar 18 2022, 07:37 AM)
I wanted to try Nvme but if the motherboard doesnt support/ perform worse than sata then I will go sata. I am familiar with sata ssd but nvme is kinda new to me.
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can check, cos price diff ada beza. if sata i owes trust crucial mx500, bought 2 1tb drive already, latest buy 425 from shopee. 1tb nvme price can be vary from cheap 400-500ish to expensive 1k+ because the speed range is very huge diff.

tats y is see u wan buy nvme or sata. apparently a quick check that ur mobo support nvme pcie 3.0 ssd. NVME less choice below rm500 1tb for good drive, better invest abit more for non-dramless drive if boot drive.

i dont have any recommendation for 1tb nvme drive below rm500, if me die die must below 500, i will get 500gb instead and get a faster drive, than a dramless drive. samsung 980, corsaid mp510 should be okay to use. Would love to recommend adata sx8200pro 1tb but then, they changed the controller crippled the drive that used to be 1 of the better price/performance drive.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 18 2022, 07:34 AM)
Nvme or sata ssd?
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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Mar 18 2022, 07:37 AM)
I wanted to try Nvme but if the motherboard doesnt support/ perform worse than sata then I will go sata. I am familiar with sata ssd but nvme is kinda new to me.
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Transcend MTE220S 1TB at RM525. Unbeatable price for PCIE 3.0 M.2 . Same controller as Corsair MP510 and PNY CS3030.
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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Mar 18 2022, 07:37 AM)
I wanted to try Nvme but if the motherboard doesnt support/ perform worse than sata then I will go sata. I am familiar with sata ssd but nvme is kinda new to me.
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go for sn570 (newer version of sn550) or kc2500 for nvme. mx500 1tb for sata ssd
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 18 2022, 08:33 AM)
Transcend MTE220S 1TB at RM525. Unbeatable price for PCIE 3.0 M.2 . Same controller as Corsair MP510 and PNY CS3030.
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ah, thanks for sharing, Transcend brand never came across my mind lol
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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Mar 18 2022, 01:49 PM)
go for sn570 (newer version of sn550) or kc2500 for nvme. mx500 1tb for sata ssd
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Yeah, I don't trust company that change chips like SN550.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/hardw...d-flash-change/
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 18 2022, 02:08 PM)
Yeah, I don't trust company that change chips like SN550.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/hardw...d-flash-change/
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Kinda unavoidable since all the major players do it these days (samsung, kingston, wd etc). Hopefully sn570 won't go down the same path so soon since it's newly launched..
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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Mar 18 2022, 02:55 PM)
Kinda unavoidable since all the major players do it these days (samsung, kingston, wd etc). Hopefully sn570 won't go down the same path so soon since it's newly launched..
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could have changed chip and informing, also update what is affected. like sx8200pro, everything become slower, lower TBW lagik.. but silently.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 18 2022, 08:01 AM)
can check, cos price diff ada beza. if sata i owes trust crucial mx500, bought 2 1tb drive already, latest buy 425 from shopee. 1tb nvme price can be vary from cheap 400-500ish to expensive 1k+ because the speed range is very huge diff.

tats y is see u wan buy nvme or sata. apparently a quick check that ur mobo support nvme pcie 3.0 ssd. NVME less choice below rm500 1tb for good drive, better invest abit more for non-dramless drive if boot drive.

i dont have any recommendation for 1tb nvme drive below rm500, if me die die must below 500, i will get 500gb instead and get a faster drive, than a dramless drive. samsung 980, corsaid mp510 should be okay to use. Would love to recommend adata sx8200pro 1tb but then, they changed the controller crippled the drive that used to be 1 of the better price/performance drive.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 18 2022, 08:33 AM)
Transcend MTE220S 1TB at RM525. Unbeatable price for PCIE 3.0 M.2 . Same controller as Corsair MP510 and PNY CS3030.
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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Mar 18 2022, 01:49 PM)
go for sn570 (newer version of sn550) or kc2500 for nvme. mx500 1tb for sata ssd
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Thanks guys for the inputs. It seems that choices for 1TB nvme within my budget is still limited. I may downgrade to 500gb ones for better choices like samsung 980 etc. or straight go for mx500 1TB. After all it will be for boot drive. thumbsup.gif
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currently im using cs 3030 500gb m.2 ssd and i want to upgrade to 1tb. have shortlisted pny cs3030, cs3040 , pny cs3140, samsung 970 evo plus2 and 980.

which of these are considered better one in terms of performance/price?

also its my first time diy the upgrade, so is it safe/easy to use aomei to clone my currrent disk?

thanks in advance sifus
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QUOTE(nephalem @ Mar 20 2022, 09:05 PM)
currently im using cs 3030 500gb m.2 ssd and i want to upgrade to 1tb. have shortlisted pny cs3030, cs3040 , pny cs3140, samsung 970 evo plus2 and 980.

which of these are considered better one in terms of performance/price?

also its my first time diy the upgrade, so is it safe/easy to use aomei to clone my currrent disk?

thanks in advance sifus
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Samsung SSD? Overpriced like hell. Just look for these.

PNY CS3030
Corsair MP510
Transcend MTE220S

PCIE 4.0:
Kingston KC3000
Corsair MP600 Pro XT

Good DRAMless SSD is auto ignored. I don't like it using my RAM.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 20 2022, 09:35 PM)
Samsung SSD? Overpriced like hell. Just look for these.

PNY CS3030
Corsair MP510
Transcend MTE220S

PCIE 4.0:
Kingston KC3000
Corsair MP600 Pro XT

Good DRAMless SSD is auto ignored. I don't like it using my RAM.
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Boss, if 1tb pcie4.0 budget around rm700+-, if corsair MP600 non pro version ok?
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 21 2022, 04:55 PM)
Boss, if 1tb pcie4.0 budget around rm700+-, if corsair MP600 non pro version ok?
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Ignore that. Kingston KC3000 1TB at RM719.99 at Shopee.

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