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post Nov 24 2025, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Nov 24 2025, 08:43 PM)
Going up. Samsung 990 Pro and WD SN850X did not move yet. They are current recommendations.
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How about this?
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QUOTE(Created On 21/1/2021 @ Nov 24 2025, 09:03 PM)
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How about this?
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When people recommending something as at today, there is nothing else is good.

Take a look.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27...dit?gid=0#gid=0

If you want cheaper, yes. There is DRAMless crap.

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Nov 22 2025, 06:56 PM)
On the contrary, while SSD prices hasnt returned to a couple years back level, it still hasnt started rising due to RAM price hike so now is the time to buy before it starts going up.
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It just needs another dotcom bubble to burst, now the AI bubble to pop, otherwise not only desktop ram, smartphone that use ram and ssd will see price hike even further.
now many big corpo building data center for AI, then the fabs prioritize for them instead of consumer version of chips thus the supply become low.
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post Nov 25 2025, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Nov 24 2025, 11:03 PM)
It just needs another dotcom bubble to burst, now the AI bubble to pop, otherwise not only desktop ram, smartphone that use ram and ssd will see price hike even further.
now many big corpo building data center for AI, then the fabs prioritize for them instead of consumer version of chips thus the supply become low.
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AI bubble wont burst so soon as unlike crypto bubble which only niche PC users are into that and nobody is affected much when it died down, the general public does use AI in some form or another and usage is growing hence AI data centers and AI hardware in each PC will grow more demand. Its a bubble that wont burst so soon unless the world no longer has infinite money to throw into it anymore.
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Nov 25 2025, 11:49 AM)
AI bubble wont burst so soon as unlike crypto bubble which only niche PC users are into that and nobody is affected much when it died down, the general public does use AI in some form or another and usage is growing hence AI data centers and AI hardware in each PC will grow more demand. Its a bubble that wont burst so soon unless the world no longer has infinite money to throw into it anymore.
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Until TSMC, Samsung, Micron and SK Hynix building more fabs, the price wont be going down anytime soon,
but building fab is going to take years so the pc market going to suffer.

I remember since the crypto boom, retailer at SG hoarding GPU with insane price, i remember 6900XT cost 2.5 to 3K SGD, after that I swear i wont be buying any of the shits from them.
Mid end GPU price also rose 20-30%.

Now as long as i have capable gaming lappy or just Legion/ROG Ally, it should be enough, storage and ram size become least of my concern as i wont be playing new games or playing game at 4K.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Nov 27 2025, 02:09 AM)
Until TSMC, Samsung, Micron and SK Hynix building more fabs, the price wont be going down anytime soon,
but building fab is going to take years so the pc market going to suffer.

I remember since the crypto boom, retailer at SG hoarding GPU with insane price, i remember 6900XT cost 2.5 to 3K SGD, after that I swear i wont be buying any of the shits from them.
Mid end GPU price also rose 20-30%.

Now as long as i have capable gaming lappy or just Legion/ROG Ally, it should be enough, storage and ram size become least of my concern as i wont be playing new games or playing game at 4K.
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Building fabs will take time and with the crazy high prices these days, the makers has zero incentives to speed even a day faster. Like Nvidia, their raking in the AI boom so why go back to the days when hardware prices were more reasonable? Nvidia has no incentives to lower GPU prices preCrypto so why would the DRAM, SSD makers do too?

Expect midrange PC to be near RM 10k at the peak AI demand.
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Nov 27 2025, 11:21 AM)
Building fabs will take time and with the crazy high prices these days, the makers has zero incentives to speed even a day faster. Like Nvidia, their raking in the AI boom so why go back to the days when hardware prices were more reasonable? Nvidia has no incentives to lower GPU prices preCrypto so why would the DRAM, SSD makers do too?

Expect midrange PC to be near RM 10k at the peak AI demand.
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They specifically, Nvidia, AMD, Qualcomm, Apple can have the most cutting edge node, the older nodes can use to fab nand and DRAM.
TSCM has fab all over Taiwan, Japan (JASM Kumamoto), and now at USA (TSMC Arizona) too.
There's intel too, AMD been good friend with their arch nemesis now, in future your AMD chip probably will be made by Intel.

Also there's yield rate too, they dont throw away if the wafer has low yield, they laser off some part of the circuits and sell them as cheaper variant.

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Nov 27 2025, 11:02 PM)
They specifically,  Nvidia, AMD, Qualcomm, Apple can have the most cutting edge node, the older nodes can use to fab nand and DRAM.

TSCM has fab all over Taiwan, Japan (JASM Kumamoto), and now at USA (TSMC Arizona) too.
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Problem with that theory is TSMC as well others have finite chipmaking capacity and even older nodes are being replaced with newer ones due to demand for those: "What's worse, TSMC is concentrating more resources on sub-5nm nodes, reallocating a significant portion of its workforce, equipment, and other assets from older processes. Mature nodes such as 6nm and 7nm may face constraints, potentially affecting customers who do not require the most advanced technology for their designs."
https://www.techspot.com/news/110131-tsmc-h...s-possibly.html

Meanwhile at TSMC Arizona....
https://www.techpowerup.com/343338/tsmc-ack...d-wafers-emerge
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QUOTE(adamtayy @ Nov 29 2025, 09:47 AM)
Welp, for SSD with DRAM, it mostly helps if you're professional content creator,
eg, you write massive data, since DRAM helps act as read/write cache and it prolong the SSD life span

Normal user should not be bother about it and if you use the cheapo SSD (but at least branded, not random SSD from taobao ok),
eg you only install games and it update once a month
or use it as second drive for other programs that are too big to fit into the main SSD.

I have 870 EVO 2TB and I use it for the scenario same as above,
2 external HDD for massive data eg videos and hi-res photo, i back up to thumb drive as well.

Main drive : 970Evo 1TB
for OS, VScode, frequently used programs

Secondary: 870 Evo 2TB, still very fast and
for frequently played games, other not frequently used programs.
The reason I only use Samsung because of with the software, you can fully utilize your SSD

The rest are big capacity thumb drives and 2x 4TB external HDD for media files.

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Nov 28 2025, 11:44 AM)
Problem with that theory is TSMC as well others have finite chipmaking capacity and even older nodes are being replaced with newer ones due to demand for those: "What's worse, TSMC is concentrating more resources on sub-5nm nodes, reallocating a significant portion of its workforce, equipment, and other assets from older processes. Mature nodes such as 6nm and 7nm may face constraints, potentially affecting customers who do not require the most advanced technology for their designs."
https://www.techspot.com/news/110131-tsmc-h...s-possibly.html

Meanwhile at TSMC Arizona....
https://www.techpowerup.com/343338/tsmc-ack...d-wafers-emerge
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i checked with internet uncles, TSMC only make chip with logic cores eg processors, sadly they dont make SSD
We're still at the mercy of Samsung, SK Hynix and Micron

China can make RAM too but YTMC dont export them anymore.

As for TSMC Arizona, welp next few years we probably will see cheaper AMD cpu (Ryzen Athlon? lol) or GPU... if they managed to salvage the wafers


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