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post Aug 22 2017, 11:52 PM, updated 2d ago

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Official SSD Discussion Thread V6


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Introduction
A solid-state drive (SSD, sometimes improperly referred to as a "solid-state disk" or "electronic disk") is a data storage device that uses integrated circuit assemblies as memory to store data persistently. SSD technology uses electronic interfaces compatible with traditional block input/output (I/O) hard disk drives. SSDs do not employ any moving mechanical components, which distinguishes them from traditional magnetic disks such as hard disk drives (HDDs) or floppy disks, which are electromechanical devices containing spinning disks and movable read/write heads. Compared with electromechanical disks, SSDs are typically less susceptible to physical shock, are silent, and have lower access time and latency, but are, at 2011 market prices, more expensive per unit of storage. The prices have continued to decline in 2012.

SSDs share the I/O interface technology developed for hard disk drives, thus permitting simple replacement for most applications.
As of 2010, most SSDs use NAND-based flash memory, which retains data without power. For applications requiring fast access, but not necessarily data persistence after power loss, SSDs may be constructed from random-access memory (RAM). Such devices may employ separate power sources, such as batteries, to maintain data after power loss.

Hybrid drives combine the features of SSDs and HDDs in the same unit, containing a large hard disk drive and an SSD cache to improve performance of frequently accessed data. These devices may offer near-SSD performance for many applications.

The SSD Optimization Guide
http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/optimiz...zation-guide-2/
2018 version, http://www.thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/opt...imization-2018/

SSD related Tools and Ultilities
HDDTune, http://www.hdtune.com/download.html
AS SSD Benchmark, http://alex-is.de/PHP/fusion/downloads.php...4&download_id=9
ATTO Disk Brench, https://www.atto.com/disk-benchmark/
CrystalDiskMark, http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDi...rk/index-e.html
SSDlife, http://ssd-life.com/eng/download-ssdlife.html

SSD Performance Charts
All SSD Charts 2012 [benchmarks] - http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-cha...hmarks,129.html
All SSD RAID 0 Charts 2011 [benchmarks] - http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-rai...hmarks,120.html
Best SSDs For The Money (Auto Update) - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-re...hmark,3269.html
SSD Reviews - http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150954

Reference and Sources
http://www.anandtech.com/print/2829
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?opti...d=444&Itemid=60
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2...sd-controller/1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive

Common SSD Firmware and Updates
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post Aug 22 2017, 11:53 PM

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Some Tutorials & FAQs about SSD (Solid State Drive)

Updated on 23 August 2017
Some corrections on the answers provided from websites

So what is it that makes an SSD so much faster than an HDD?
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I have read that SSDs have very limited write cycles, and they don't last long. Is this true?
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I have read that SSDs slow down after prolonged use. Is this true?
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How does Internal Secure Erase work on an SSD?
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Over-provisioning. What is it, and how does it work?
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Why do smaller capacity SSDs tend to be slower than higher capacity drives?
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What about services or programs in my operating system such as indexing, pre-fetching, write-caching, defrag etc?
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What is TRIM?
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What settings do I need to adjust in my system BIOS for optimal SSD performance?
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Are SSDs compatible with SATA I & II ?
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What is the difference between SLC and MLC flash memory chips?
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If I'm using an older OS such as Vista or XP, will I still get the performance benefits of SSDs?
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What is the life expectancy of my SSD?
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How can I move my data onto my new SSD?
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How long will my SSD last?
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Does benchmarking my SSD decrease lifespan?
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Will my SSD get hot?
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Do I need to format my SSD? Why doesn't the drive appear in "My Computer" (Windows) or in "Finder" (Mac)?
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How do I find out the firmware version on my SSD?
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Reference Links
1. http://club.myce.com/f138/what-ssd-ssd-faq-297856/
2. http://ocz.com/consumer/ssd-guide/ssd-faqs

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Updated on 07 November 2017

The FAQs continue on here with YouTube videos.
I do realize sometimes it is hard to understand by just read all of the sources through websites/articles. So some short videos are provided below, and hope that they can help to save you some time by just watching tongue.gif .

What is Intel Optane?
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SSD Flash Memory - MLC, TLC, and SLC
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3D NAND as Fast As Possible
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The Intel SSD Advantage
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SSD vs Hard Drive Performance
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Windows 7 install and SSD upgrade
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How to properly configure the SSD as boot drive and HDD as storage drive
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How to Transfer your Boot Drive to your New Intel SSD - Data Migration
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What is TRIM and Why Does Your SSD Need It?
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The benefits of using a SSD
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Anyone knows who is the Malaysia official distributor for Samsung SSD?
My 950 Pro is starting to show it's defect, it's causing my FreeSync monitor to flicker
The screen will flicker everytime the HDD LED is blinking showing there's an activity on the SSD

After switching to 960 Pro, the flickering completely stop sweat.gif
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post Aug 23 2017, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 11:02 AM)
Anyone knows who is the Malaysia official distributor for Samsung SSD?
My 950 Pro is starting to show it's defect, it's causing my FreeSync monitor to flicker
The screen will flicker everytime the HDD LED is blinking showing there's an activity on the SSD

After switching to 960 Pro, the flickering completely stop sweat.gif
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about samsung official distributors, not really sure about this. maybe it's servex, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/505086 afaik, samsung always redirected its users back to the shop they got their ssds. so alternatively you can find shops that offer paid rma service support, like idealtech iinm.

hm flickering effects on display.. i haven't experienced it with the old sm951 and newer 960 evo.

when i looked this up, it looked like it's not a common problem, and might be related to other things like os (w10) did you do a clean install to make sure?
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post Aug 23 2017, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 23 2017, 01:09 PM)
when i looked this up, it looked like it's not a common problem, and might be related to other things like os (w10) did you do a clean install to make sure?
I've tried everything, including changing my platform from Z97 (LGA 1150) to X99 (LGA 2011) & switching to Windows 7

As I've mentioned earlier, the flickering stops immediately after I switch to 960 Pro
Also tested with a normal 2.5" SATA SSD, the flickering stops too, and when I re-installed the 950 Pro, the flickering comes back
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 01:19 PM)
I've tried everything, including changing my platform from Z97 (LGA 1150) to X99 (LGA 2011) & switching to Windows 7

As I've mentioned earlier, the flickering stops immediately after I switch to 960 Pro
Also tested with a normal 2.5" SATA SSD, the flickering stops too, and when I re-installed the 950 Pro, the flickering comes back
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wow you have done some many things to make sure ok got it lol

looks like it really is samsung 950 pro's issue. a pretty weird one. it's also weird that no one with 950 pro reported this before. there must be something that caused this to happen.

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Have tried with different monitors?
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QUOTE(Lurker @ Aug 23 2017, 01:52 PM)
Have tried with different monitors?
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good point.

this case actually made me very curious about the actual culprit. if it's really the monitor, then how come 960x are not affected?
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QUOTE(Lurker @ Aug 23 2017, 01:52 PM)
Have tried with different monitors?
I did. AOC technician came to my house and brought a new replacement unit (still sealed) + a different model of FreeSync monitor and the flickering is still there when I use my 950 Pro

I know it's weird but as I've mentioned earlier, the problem stops immediately when I switch to 960 Pro
It's been 2 days ever since I made the switch to 960 Pro and the flickering still hasn't come back. Tested running multiple games, the monitor is still running perfectly
Inside both SSD has fresh copy of Windows 10, also tested with multiple version of AMD drivers

Also bought a new unit of RX 550 to test the monitor because my first thought is that my R9 390X is faulty

PS: The only thing I haven't tried is using a different PSU (currently running on Corsair RM850i), but ever since 960 Pro has stopped the flickering, I malas nak test already laugh.gif

I understand both of you may think "what does SSD has anything to do with the monitor?"
I used to think that way too, but alas it still happens LOL laugh.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 02:32 PM)
I did. AOC technician came to my house and brought a new replacement unit (still sealed) + a different model of FreeSync monitor and the flickering is still there when I use my 950 Pro

I know it's weird but as I've mentioned earlier, the problem stops immediately when I switch to 960 Pro
It's been 2 days ever since I made the switch to 960 Pro and the flickering still hasn't come back. Tested running multiple games, the monitor is still running perfectly
Inside both SSD has fresh copy of Windows 10, also tested with multiple version of AMD drivers

Also bought a new unit of RX 550 to test the monitor because my first thought is that my R9 390X is faulty

PS: The only thing I haven't tried is using a different PSU (currently running on Corsair RM850i), but ever since 960 Pro has stopped the flickering, I malas nak test already laugh.gif

I understand both of you may think "what does SSD has anything to do with the monitor?"
I used to think that way too, but alas it still happens LOL laugh.gif
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you are right i do have that doubt lol but i think it might relate to freesync monitors only. i don't have freesync monitors. i only have those with gsync and standard, and 960x for now so i cannot help confirm this

edit: however it's really weird these new techs can still create conflicts such as this one. thanks for this heads up anyway. it's really a good fiind imo

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I spoke too soon sweat.gif
Just when I arrive home, the flickering is back
So the 950 Pro is not at fault here

The flickering only happens when I enable FreeSync. If I disable it in AMD Radeon Settings, the flickering is gone, but what's the use of buying a FreeSync monitor then?
The monitor runs perfectly within the first month when I bought it
Then AOC replaced it with a new unit, also they brought another FreeSync monitor (different model) to test, the flickering is still there

Then I tested the monitor with a different computer, the flickering doesn't happen at all, so I know it's my system
The last thing I haven't tried is testing it with a different power supply. Could it be my PSU that's causing this? rclxub.gif
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Sounds pretty frustrating with all the $$ plonked down. Hope u able to get it solved soon.


Inb4 plz switch to green gsync
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 02:32 PM)
I did. AOC technician came to my house and brought a new replacement unit (still sealed) + a different model of FreeSync monitor and the flickering is still there when I use my 950 Pro

I know it's weird but as I've mentioned earlier, the problem stops immediately when I switch to 960 Pro
It's been 2 days ever since I made the switch to 960 Pro and the flickering still hasn't come back. Tested running multiple games, the monitor is still running perfectly
Inside both SSD has fresh copy of Windows 10, also tested with multiple version of AMD drivers

Also bought a new unit of RX 550 to test the monitor because my first thought is that my R9 390X is faulty

PS: The only thing I haven't tried is using a different PSU (currently running on Corsair RM850i), but ever since 960 Pro has stopped the flickering, I malas nak test already laugh.gif

I understand both of you may think "what does SSD has anything to do with the monitor?"
I used to think that way too, but alas it still happens LOL laugh.gif
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you can take a look at this, might be relevant

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QUOTE(Lurker @ Aug 23 2017, 08:45 PM)
Inb4 plz switch to green gsync
To be honest, I've been thinking of going down that road myself
But to switch to G-Sync monitor + 1080Ti, is going to involve a lot of money

I've banned Nvidia a few years ago when 2 of my GTX 260 couldn't SLI properly no matter how many hardwares I've changed
Perhaps it's time to give the green camp another try
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 09:17 PM)
To be honest, I've been thinking of going down that road myself
But to switch to G-Sync monitor + 1080Ti, is going to involve a lot of money

I've banned Nvidia a few years ago when 2 of my GTX 260 couldn't SLI properly no matter how many hardwares I've changed
Perhaps it's time to give the green camp another try
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SLI & Crossfire are not looking good for both sides in recent years.

By the way, I'm still NVIDIA fanboy. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 08:10 PM)
I spoke too soon sweat.gif
Just when I arrive home, the flickering is back
So the 950 Pro is not at fault here

The flickering only happens when I enable FreeSync. If I disable it in AMD Radeon Settings, the flickering is gone, but what's the use of buying a FreeSync monitor then?
The monitor runs perfectly within the first month when I bought it
Then AOC replaced it with a new unit, also they brought another FreeSync monitor (different model) to test, the flickering is still there

Then I tested the monitor with a different computer, the flickering doesn't happen at all, so I know it's my system
The last thing I haven't tried is testing it with a different power supply. Could it be my PSU that's causing this? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 23 2017, 08:47 PM)
you can take a look at this, might be relevant
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it's the freesync after all; more like flickersync now :/

QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 09:17 PM)
To be honest, I've been thinking of going down that road myself
But to switch to G-Sync monitor + 1080Ti, is going to involve a lot of money

I've banned Nvidia a few years ago when 2 of my GTX 260 couldn't SLI properly no matter how many hardwares I've changed
Perhaps it's time to give the green camp another try
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come come! here is very green, and stable, and nice lol

damn i am in the middle of planning an upgrade to a threadripper system for a change (already 10k+ just for cpu, mobo, ram and cpu cooler; my first personal computer with 128gb ram lol) this actually makes me think again :/

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 23 2017, 10:19 PM)
it's the freesync after all; more like flickersync now :/
I doubt that, because the monitor was running fine the first month I bought it
The problem started 4 days after I switch my casing from Phanteks Enthoo Luxe to Cooler Master HAF XB EVO
Now no matter what I tried, the issue is still there. Except changing PSU & going back to the previous casing I used. Really don't like vertical casing, that's why I decided to use the HAF XB EVO, but the percentage of a casing causing the flickering is 1 in a million. It's just a casing after all, and I've tried disconnecting all the cables from the casing but the flickering is still there so it's definitely not the casing
QUOTE(g104 @ Aug 23 2017, 10:02 PM)
SLI & Crossfire are not looking good for both sides in recent years.

By the way, I'm still NVIDIA fanboy.  icon_rolleyes.gif
Let's get back to topic
This is an SSD thread after all laugh.gif

Thank god my 950 Pro is not the cause of the issue

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 23 2017, 10:19 PM)
it's the freesync after all; more like flickersync now :/
come come! here is very green, and stable, and nice lol

damn i am in the middle of planning an upgrade to a threadripper system for a change (already 10k+ just for cpu, mobo, ram and cpu cooler; my first personal computer with 128gb ram lol) this actually makes me think again :/
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i want to upgrade too, but considering my setup is already overkill for mainly what it does.. sweat.gif

better just stay on it, its working fine afterall. except my CPU is rather hot in an mITX form
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 10:20 PM)
I doubt that, because the monitor was running fine the first month I bought it
The problem started 4 days after I switch my casing from Phanteks Enthoo Luxe to Cooler Master HAF XB EVO
Now no matter what I tried, the issue is still there. Except changing PSU & going back to the previous casing I used. Really don't like vertical casing, that's why I decided  to use the HAF XB EVO, but the percentage of a casing causing the flickering is 1 in a million. It's just a casing after all, and I've tried disconnecting all the cables from the casing but the flickering is still there so it's definitely not the casing

Let's get back to topic
This is an SSD thread after all laugh.gif

Thank god my 950 Pro is not the cause of the issue
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hopefully everything will be fine for you. yeah luckily it's not the issue of 950 pro smile.gif

QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 23 2017, 10:36 PM)
i want to upgrade too, but considering my setup is already overkill for mainly what it does.. sweat.gif

better just stay on it, its working fine afterall. except my CPU is rather hot in an mITX form
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i need more horse power for work at home. if it's not about work i will not get 960 pro actually lol (i'm actually very happy with sm951 already)

for gaming 4790k is still ok; gpu is more important.

oh a note about ssd and work (with work loads that involve intensive writes): always choose mlc ssds for this. i noticed total host writes are relatively higher with tlc drives compared to mlc drives.

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