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post May 29 2021, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ May 29 2021, 11:20 AM)
WD own view that mainstream market is switching completely to DRAM-less SSDs.
Given WD track record of cost cutting, can see why they want market to switch using DRAM-less SSDs.
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ya…take out the dram they really can reduce cost substantially.
and that allows them to be more competitive in making ssd with lower cost per gb.
can't deny that their utilization of HMB in nvme is a success.


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post May 29 2021, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ May 29 2021, 12:24 PM)
Their SN750 very good performance and that is with DRAM.
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their dramless SN550 not bad what…
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post May 29 2021, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ May 29 2021, 01:06 PM)
hmb uses system memory as replacement of built-in dram in nvme drives. it still depends on things like manufacturers to implement it right, and how the ssds are used. there are things that are physically unavoidable, like latency compared to local built-in dram. of course, the outcomes might not be obvious if the scope is just for typical consumer usage.

tbh, we all want good ssds at lower price. however, innovations for dram-less ssds are ok, if and only if they can provide relatively sustainable performance as ssds with dram.
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yes. that's the point.

what consumer want? fast and big storage at lower price.

how could manufacturer do it? by cost reduction.
what to cut first? of course dram.

wd doesn't produce dram like samsung, to make them stay competitive in the business, flooding mainstream market with acceptable performance dramless ssd is inevitable.

the hmb tech already mature and the performance is acceptable for mainstream market.

the dramless nvme will get better in pcie 4.0 and 5.0.

of course we can't deny that nvme with dram is better…but cost is the key to make it mainstream.

same situation like last time SLC, MLC and TLC nand. people will move on with the tech advancement.

dramless nvme isn't same shit like the dramless sata ssd, what i want to point out is we shouldn't have that "all dramless ssd are junk" name-calling on dramless ssd. cheers!

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post May 30 2021, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(targon @ May 30 2021, 10:49 PM)
They re cutting down on endurance level. Those new 2nd gen pcie 4 ssd got their endurance chop by half at the same capacity level. All in the name of better speed (at the benchmarks). Real world, you probably won't notice it between a 1st gen pcie 4 vs gen 2.
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there is 1 interesting oem nvme ssd from dell.

they cut cost by replacing the controller from gen 4 to gen 3.

samsung pm9a1 under 1tb oem for dell. (2tb is gen 4)


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post May 31 2021, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(SnoopyDevil @ May 31 2021, 01:40 PM)
Hi sifus, is the Crucial MX500 still one of the best cost-to-ratio SSD in the market? I plan to get a 500GB, or even a 1TB if the price is right.

Secondly, I assume I still have slot/space for it? mobo is GGB B360M gaming 3, current storage: SSD 250GB, HDD 1TB, HDD 1TB

Thirdly, I tried to google for it but unsure of the answer, can we just simply rename the drive name anytime we want, with all files and folders still work as usual?
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yes.

yes.

can.
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post Jun 6 2021, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(kemin @ Jun 6 2021, 01:05 PM)
Hi guys if your computer can support both sata and M2.pcie would it make more sense to buy gigabyte, silicon power, kingston PCIE SSDs over Crucial MX500 sata SSD? They are all about similar price ~RM460 (1 TB) on Shopee. Thanks for advice.
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sata go for samsung 860 evo or Crucial MX500

pcie go for samsung 970 evo or PNY CS3030, transcend mte220s

if u need to clone old hdd/ssd to new ssd easily, choose samsung and use their software.

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post Jul 15 2021, 12:09 AM

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WD Black SN850 SSD Gets Firmware Update; Addresses Write Performance For AMD X570 Motherboards

The update should give AMD X570 chipset owners access to the SSD's full write speeds.

https://www.lowyat.net/2021/245777/wd-black...0-motherboards/

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post Jul 15 2021, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(msa9696 @ Jul 15 2021, 01:40 AM)
Ya guess probably 500GB is just right.
Will check out MP510, are there are other brands with similar performance/ reliability as MP510?
If there are, then I'll just compare the prices see which has better promo
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just get samsung evo 1tb and clone the whole drive.

just prepare for yourself to deal with bios secure boot setting if u re-install windows in new drive.

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post Jul 30 2021, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Jul 30 2021, 04:04 PM)
guys, i'm looking to add 1tb nvme and i'll be using ugreen's nvme to pcie x4 adapter. so far I've looked on sn750, 970 evo and samsung 980 and tbh all the reviews is getting me a little mixed up

i'm going to be using it to store games so i guess they all would work fine, but among the 3, would it be safe to say that the 970 evo or sn750, even though dated, would still be a better overall performer compared to the 980 due to the dramless nature of the 980?
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then get the evo 970 if u willing to pay more than 980.

no need too much worry of dramless 980 because this dramless nvme utilize HMB tech to use your system ram.

what 980 better than 970 evo is the power efficiency so it will run cooler.

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Jul 30 2021, 05:26 PM)
thanks for assuring about the dram. given the price point for the 970 evo is the same as the 980, would you suggest going for the 970 evo then? 970 evo plus is rm900+ but the 970 evo itself is basically same price as the 980
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just get the 970 evo…if you concern about temp for long period of data transfer, then use adapter with fan.

https://s.lazada.com.my/s.dR7PY

if for laptop use 980 would be more suitable

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post Aug 23 2021, 03:23 AM

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china forum reported that new batch WD SN550 1TB & 500GB write speed drop tremendously after the cache was exhausted

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=28144959

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=28181945

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post Aug 23 2021, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Aug 23 2021, 02:08 PM)
but under what circumstances will the cache be filled? Any daily tasks that we can relate to?
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copy big file
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post Aug 23 2021, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Aug 23 2021, 03:06 PM)
as in copying one big file or multiple smaller files in one go?
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both…multiple small file memang slow because rely on its 4k write speed.

to explain it in simpler way:

old sn550 1tb if i copy 40gb file into it, the 1st 12GB will be written in full speed, then after that will drop to 800MB/s.

new sn550 1tb if i copy 40gb file into it, the 1st 12GB will be written in full speed, then after that will drop to 400MB/s.


 

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