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post Apr 17 2025, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Apr 17 2025, 08:53 AM)
If your being using, no way it can go back to '100%' thats physically not possible. Its likely your SSD really is failing but doing a diskwipe just resets its status but the physical damage is still there. Sooner than later the bad sectors will pop up again or worse starts to corrupt your data and sudden death w/o warning cuz you reseted its error reporting.

Imho its time to replace them.

(Quite surprised it can fail so soon as advertised it has skyhigh MTBF & TBW, maybe its the controller thats dying or something).
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in terms of bad sectors, ssds are different from hdd. there are 2 main bad sector errors: possibly repairable logical bad sectors, and irrepairable physical bad sectors. i suspected mine were logical bs mainly, which can be remedied by wear leveling mechanism. all work ssds have 20% OP for this.

i did chkdsk /r for these drives before i did diskwipe. (by the way, once in a while, you should run chkdsk /r especially for work machines) there were bad sectors indeed. i will keep using these drives at work to see if bad sectors come back. consider this a test haha (i have multiple offline and online backups, so it's fine)

i still have few pairs of mte220s and kc3000 2tb as spare.

i think consumer grade ssds are really meant for mainstream usage. for work, it's better to choose pro-grade or up. my enterprise 4tb drives never throw me anything weird until today.

edit: by saying the above, i mean you should consider it only if consumer ssds give you headaches at work. for instance, mte220s will slow down if you copied large files (more than 80gb each) daily, which is expected. i can stand such delays so it's still fine.

however, always expect the unexpected. every hardware can fail for one reason or the other. just implement simple backup strats to improve data safety.

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the future of speed with graphene-based flash, https://www.techspot.com/news/107614-new-gr...s-data-400.html
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 5 2025, 03:06 PM)
MX500 stopped production. Only left Samsung 870 Evo and Kingston KC600 which is overpriced.
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Oh no wonder I haven't been able to find any MX500s.. I am using 8 of them in a RAID5 array in my NAS. Have one cold spare. Trying to get some WD Reds now. That and better backup my NAS soon.
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QUOTE(Traveler @ Apr 22 2025, 01:37 PM)
Oh no wonder I haven't been able to find any MX500s.. I am using 8 of them in a RAID5 array in my NAS. Have one cold spare. Trying to get some WD Reds now. That and better backup my NAS soon.
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2024, 10:56 AM)
Yeah, I figured that was the issue.

I’m using the adapter in the image below in the ROG ALLY to install a 2280 M.2 SSD. The problem is that the NGFF connector is too low, so I can’t fit any heatsink.

I found a way to raise the height by swapping out the NGFF connector, but I don't know how to solder. Gonna need to find an expert for that.
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post May 18 2025, 09:36 AM

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looking into getting a 2TB portable SSD that runs on USB. It seems 2TB portable SSD are around RM800-900. Should I consider buying a case and use a M.2 SSD instead? It seems far cheaper

What are the pros and cons if any? Thanks in advance


hmmmm...I just checked the prices again and seems they are almost comparable....I must have seen some fake M.2 previously bangwall.gif

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QUOTE(N9484640 @ May 18 2025, 09:36 AM)
looking into getting a 2TB portable SSD that runs on USB. It seems 2TB portable SSD are around RM800-900. Should I consider buying a case and use a M.2 SSD instead? It seems far cheaper

What are the pros and cons if any? Thanks in advance
hmmmm...I just checked the prices again and seems they are almost comparable....I must have seen some fake M.2 previously  bangwall.gif
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I would say portable SSD would be marginally better as the hardware is design to be hardier to handling, external force & shocks, the shell casing would also likely be water & dust resistant/proof vs easy enclosures that lack rubber gasket.
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ May 19 2025, 02:43 PM)
I would say portable SSD would be marginally better as the hardware is design to be hardier to handling, external force & shocks, the shell casing would also likely be water & dust resistant/proof vs easy enclosures that lack rubber gasket.
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Good point. I never thought of that. Thanks for your input. I think at this point a 2TB SSD will be too expensive for me. Gonna go for regular HDD.
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QUOTE(N9484640 @ May 19 2025, 03:28 PM)
Good point. I never thought of that. Thanks for your input. I think at this point a 2TB SSD will be too expensive for me. Gonna go for regular HDD.
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You can start with something like the Kingston XS1000 or XS2000 portable SSD.
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QUOTE(N9484640 @ May 18 2025, 09:36 AM)
looking into getting a 2TB portable SSD that runs on USB. It seems 2TB portable SSD are around RM800-900. Should I consider buying a case and use a M.2 SSD instead? It seems far cheaper

What are the pros and cons if any? Thanks in advance
hmmmm...I just checked the prices again and seems they are almost comparable....I must have seen some fake M.2 previously  bangwall.gif
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how much cheaper u want for ur external ssd?
for nvme, kingston nv3 + a case won't be expensive. with lazada periodic discount, it'll get lower even. maybe during the discount period, the resulting price diff can even get KC3000.

unless u want to go down the amazon rabbit hole. Samsung T7, one of the best and fastest external SSD out there selling for 140USD at the moment. lowest could even go 120USD but quite rare. now amazon has free shipping to malaysia, so only need to pay duty tax (auto calculated by amazon).
with the drawback of non-existent warranty since it's going to be overseas warranty and local samsung will not entertain u. so might as well forget that it has warranty.

dowan Samsung T7, there's even cheaper ones such as WD and Crucial which are def cheaper than T7.

I bought quite a few SSDs from amazon because of the substantial price diff when comparing to local distributors. my 980 pro, 990 pro and T7 all came from amazon.
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i bought some ugreen m.2 nvme 10gbps ssd enclosures (model CM767, part number 35267) at shopee. one machine detected the ssd with uasp/trim support, while the other machine detected it as a hdd.

the problem is not the ssd enclosures, but the damn old asmedia usb 3.x driver. found and updated to the latest, and everything is fine now.

this ugreen enclosure uses rtl9210, firmware version is 1.32.87 (build date: 2023.08.29).

edit: updated the firmware of another ugreen model ( model CM400, part number 90264) from 1.29.38 to 1.34.29. this one uses rtl9210b (rtl9210b-cg)

after update, the enclosures are working fine. speed depends on usb-c version; i'm happy for the speed boosts (up to 800+ MB/s in some machines). i will try out 20 and 40gbps enclosures later. enclosures are always good to help extend service lifespan of retired disks.

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 6 2025, 01:01 PM)
Just a new enterprise format, likely will never see appearance in consumer hardware like many existing server/ent standards (U.2 tried but only a few mobos supports it natively).
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jun 6 2025, 02:12 PM)
Just a new enterprise format, likely will never see appearance in consumer hardware like many existing server/ent standards (U.2 tried but only a few mobos supports it natively).
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there will be pci-e adaptors for this, i believe. i'm using u.2 drives at home. i also have adaptors for e1.s drives. they work fine.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 6 2025, 03:03 PM)
there will be pci-e adaptors for this, i believe. i'm using u.2 drives at home. i also have adaptors for e1.s drives. they work fine.
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There are adaptors for everything, but my point is if the market were more accepting these standards, they would gradually had been more popular, just like M2 became. If U2 were popular with consumers no doubts mobo makers would replace SATA ports with them as the next gen interface.
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ok. well, the news is for the purpose of general awareness, especially for those who are interested in this kind of stuff, so that we don't miss anything good when they're in front of us.

in general, to look for good stuff, don't just look at consumer markets, which are limited by current standards. as long as you're willing to take risks, there are often good deals that can be used as alternatives in enterprise/dc space. some are ok to be used as-is, e.g., oem 2280 m.2 nvme ssds, while other enterprise/dc-only form factors can also be used with the help of adapters.

by the way, most of the times, m.2 form factors are slower than u.2/3/e1.s in enterprise/dc space. we can confirm the differences by checking out product briefs and technical specs at vendors' website.

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 6 2025, 07:27 PM)
ok. well, the news is for the purpose of general awareness, especially for those who are interested in this kind of stuff, so that we don't miss anything good when they're in front of us.

in general, to look for good stuff, don't just look at consumer markets, which are limited by current standards. as long as you're willing to take risks, there are often good deals that can be used as alternatives in enterprise/dc space. some are ok to be used as-is, e.g., oem 2280 m.2 nvme ssds, while other enterprise/dc-only form factors can also be used with the help of adapters.

by the way, most of the times, m.2 form factors are slower than u.2/3/e1.s in enterprise/dc space. we can confirm the differences by checking out product briefs and technical specs at vendors' website.
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Not that I disagree. Enterprise/business hardware tech will always be the forefront to get newest stuff such as PCIE Gen5 and now Gen6. But general standards is one thing and enterprise specific standards are another thing.
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hi guys, im thinking of switching my work backup drive to a portable ssd. Is orico portable drive ok? Dont need too much of a speed. Or any reliable brand? My buffalo hdd service me since 2012 still working until today. Really top brand
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 7 2025, 08:57 AM)
hi guys, im thinking of switching my work backup drive to a portable ssd. Is orico portable drive ok? Dont need too much of a speed. Or any reliable brand? My buffalo hdd service me since 2012 still working until today. Really top brand
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Much like external HDD it really depends on the storage media inside which only a few big players. For SSD, Orico would have source the drive from 3rd party OEM. WD/Sandisk, Samsung, Seagate, Toshiba/Kioxia are the few that makes their own storage products end to end but even that is no guarantee for reliability (Sandisk ext SSD recently have higher fail rates).


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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Aug 7 2025, 02:17 PM)
Much like external HDD it really depends on the storage media inside which only a few big players. For SSD, Orico would have source the drive from 3rd party OEM. WD/Sandisk, Samsung, Seagate, Toshiba/Kioxia are the few that makes their own storage products end to end but even that is no guarantee for reliability (Sandisk ext SSD recently have higher fail rates).
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Orico seems have their own nvme ssd line up. Probably get crucial x10 for peace of mind. Orico high speed also not cheap lol.

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