LCD Monitor Thread v9.00 (FYI: LCD MONITOR ≠LCD TV)


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This post has been edited by kianwee: May 13 2010, 01:04 AM

first!!!
U2211H & U2311H power consumption is just great at 30+ watt
waiting for review, wonder who will get first

Are all widescreen monitors the same aspect ratio? The 17" widescreen LCD on my desk, vertical height is significantly less than the 15" LCD. The differene is much more than shown in the pic.

For widescreens there are two aspect ratios. 16:10 (eg: 1920x1200) and 16:9 (eg: 1920x1080).

For non-widescreen LCDs, 5:4 was also common (eg: 1280x1024).

This post has been edited by everling: May 13 2010, 03:38 AM

i need a 21 inch and above lcd monitor.. budget below RM600
any good one to recommend?

Not a gamer but i use my lcd to watch movies so a good tilt would be good.
Any of the current dell lcd monitors are good? 20-24"


http://www1.ap.dell.com/my/en/business/mon...s=mybsd1&~ck=bt
any of this good?

feedback appreciated

This post has been edited by joeylny: May 13 2010, 06:31 AM

the only downside is the 8ms response time.. but lets hope that it doesnt cause a major problem when gaming and movie

This post has been edited by onimusha_m16: May 13 2010, 07:17 AM

Your link is not working.
Are you looking at the Dell ST2210 (RM579)?
Thie monitor seems to match your price and it is a Full HD.

i think 8ms is ok.. last time more than that..
maybe have lag or ghosting.. but not that obvious..

This post has been edited by 8tvt: May 13 2010, 08:56 AM

I never have any problem with my Dell's E1905FP 8ms MVA panel

Except that the colours reproduction and viewing angles better than TN

One more thing about the U2410 that I had forgotten. It uses 10-bit (1.07 billion) colours and not the usual 8-bit (16.7 million) colours that the U2211H and U2311H uses. Requires special hardware to push it through however as gaming cards don't bother with more than 8-bits.

Try it anyway. You might get lucky.

One thing about 8ms. 1000ms / 8ms = 125 changes (frames?) per second?

justanime is Dell panel really that good everybody seems suggesting to go for Dell instead of Samsung or other brand outside the market..

There's no DELL panel. DELL uses panel from other companies, for instance IPS panel is from LG.Philips. I think most people prefers DELL is due to the after sales service.

wa. new thread..
any P2770H users? It looks pretty sweet, and I was wondering about the performance and whether it is generally satisfying for its price tag.

Yeap I'm aware Dell doesn't have their own panel...
Agree their after sales service is good...
But how about the quality of the screen?? Let's compare Samsung LED?

i advise u to check Samsung although I've only 1 Dell monitor, only satisfied and nothing spectacular~

Full HD don't matter if there isn't any Full HD content being viewed~ if not mistaken, blue ray is the only content that can reach full HD and I don't think there is any content material for 720P and above other than that except Youtube~

5ms is not good enough for movie (worse for gaming)~ I'm using ST2210~

Samsung LED is still LCD, it's using LED as backlight. That's all. No big deal. A lot of people think that it is LED TV like advertised. It's misleading. It's actually LED LCD TV if you see other manufacturer advertise it - eg Sharp/Panasonic.

Dell has their own LED backlight monitor too, it doesn't sell too well because in the end it's up to the panel. Is there a Samsung LED monitor? Please enlighten me

Sorry I'm still new with this LED Monitor... Would like to seek for more advice before I make up my mind which monitor to get...
Hoping to receive more advice from the sifus here...
Will be using as my laptop projection and movies at times gaming....Please advise..

This post has been edited by th3_glove20: May 13 2010, 12:21 PM

my 6ms still ok for movie.. unless that super duper high pace games..
but still make a distance would not notice much..
afterall the big screen no need to stare every details closely..

Yeah, the main reason why some of us chose Dell is because of their excellent after sales service. Had a few incidences with previous Dell products and the warranty claim process is quick and smooth.

As for the Dell monitors themselves, i noticed that the ST2410 has much lower backlight bleeding than the Samsung B2330 that i saw in a store. Satisfied with the black levels and colours as well. Then again, im referring to tn panels in general.

Sounds like Dell have better feedback compare to other brand

Adeh~ I did use LCds with 2ms and 5ms response before and there was extremely minor difference between both quality in playing games let, now for movies 8ms is still the best~

Full HD all the way guys, once you watched the real quality of Blu Ray, you'll never turn back~ hehe.(and I'm not talking about that crappy 1080p download-able movies if you know what I mean)

buddy gto not everybody can afford to buy such expensive Blu Ray disc just for a movie...

I would rather pay for my PS3 game..

This post has been edited by th3_glove20: May 13 2010, 02:30 PM

You watch with a 60" FHD Kuro Plasma and a 5.1 RM10k speaker system?

Yeah still searching for review, maybe in another 2 weeks.
Need to know why the response rate is 8ms, and need to know if this will affect movie watching!!!!!
Currently my 2333SW really disappoint me, obvious ghosting when the movie scrolls or having fast pace action.
But the weird thing is... I didn't notice this during high-pace game-play

most IPS panels dont have response times as fast as TN panels. and most people can barely tell the difference from 8ms to 2ms. anything 8ms and below is fine.

i used to switch from 8ms in the office to 2ms at home for gaming with no difference noticed. now i switch from 8ms in the office to 5ms at home for gaming and also no difference noticed.

but for gaming only la...i dont watch movies on my rig at home...i use my htpc for that.



imho, movie watching...get a plasma

LOL, if I can only afford a plasma, my choice of purchasing 2333SW (in a very short time + tight budget) is pure regret, so if this 8ms can really cope with my movie watching habit, I'll save it all up for it.
Still, it'll depends on me whether I can really differentiate it even after some suggestion and recommendation, don't have any Dell sample demo anywhere locally...

Just gotten my Dell 2709WFP, replacing my Samsung 226BW, calibrating the colour is quite hassle to match my 226BW, important as I do photo editing for my client in wedding photography.

But the LCD itself is huge, very nice I'd say

another dell user
Think I should starting browsing Dell website....

Dell still have this model? I thought they already change to U2711?
Did you bought before they change the model?
Is it the very same specification??

i notice samsung n sony have exhibition @ 1 utama..
nothing much on sony maybe promoting bravia..

samsung making a demo on their 3d led lcd tv.. lol play racing games and watching movies on 3d mode..

They have one in Harbour Front@Vivo City (Singapore) couple weeks back...
Pretty impressive with the 3D led tv, but I don't think I can stay too long in front tv, I feel dizzy..

It actually still a 8-bit panel... it uses dithering to achieve 10bit.. (similar to TN to achieve higher bit)

Actually latest gen gamer's card can achieve 10bit using DP port.

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Added on May 13, 2010, 5:11 pmThere are downloadable full un-compressed 1080p Blu-Ray rips too, if you know what I mean....

This post has been edited by BeastX: May 13 2010, 05:11 PM

What other brands in the market that has height adjustable stand other than Dell, and also with the ability to put it vertically?

i haven't received a word from DELL ever since I asked for warranty a week ago~ just got an auto-response e-mail and that's it~ anyway, 5ms from my ST2210 isn't enough responsive enough for movies~ I'm a newbie at monitors but I seriously see that high resolution .avi movies are much better (although yes, they are compressed) than in pixel quality as compared to the DVDs I bought and this should be due to screen size~ the downloadable movies have smaller screen size, thus, the chance to have more pixels in that small area of screen~

I've tried to search for a comparison shootout for ST2210/ST2410 against others but couldn't find one~ this is my first LCD and after a 2-days tour at PC Fair and comparing it with my current ST2210, I'd say that the colour quality is average only (probably due to those panels at PC Fair being IPS or plasma), backlight bleeding is minimal but occurs at the sides (can't see any bleeding at all at PC Fair, so can't compare), and the 5ms is irritating me, although I've no chance to compare responsiveness towards others~ all in all, DELL wins when it comes to bang for bucks, I'd rather save up for an IPS panel when it gets cheap~

please guide me if I'm wrong, my write-ups here are only opinions since I know nothing about LCD until I joined the Hardware section 2 weeks ago~ I still get irritated with the 5ms...

New Cheaper Dell IPS Monitor uses E-IPS which is Enchanced-IPS, that are much cheaper compared to conventional IPS, H-IPS , S-IPS because they use cheaper backlight.

But generally they have Wider aperture for light transmission, enabling the use of lower-power, cheaper backlights. Improves diagonal viewing angle and further reduce response time to 5ms.(source from wikipedia)

but i doubt U2211h and U2311h is using E-IPS but the price for that, but certainly using E-IPS to be able to allow such cheap price. but with 8ms milisecond? hmm.. i doubt so.. perhaps they doesn't include overdrive system to monitor so less the budget but lower the response time.

but so far, as i watch reviews, 2209wa is one of the best monitor dell has offer, since it has lowest 10ms input lag as well as 5ms response time just like they advertise in their website.

Welcome LCD monitor thread reached v9
While u care about ms, have to care about input lag too which is no manufacturers advertise the input lag of their displays. Having a great low ms doesn't mean you are safe from lag/delay.

Btw Mr sexualpower, Some DVD's movie doesn't have good quality due to poor source. even suck then .avi. Can't watch full screen, I have few case before, make me vomit but u can always view in "original size" for best quality.
About 5ms, should no problem for any usage. I have no problem watching anime,movie,gaming with my 6ms Dell 2209WA. maybe other hardware cause it? what is your pc spec?

HP brand LCD?

HP, Samsung also has it, it's just darn hard to find locally, Dell offer it cheaper.
There're plenty of brands out there, just need to search really hard, but Dell still kick them hard with value/performance.

Thank you all for the feedback..
I guess i shall buy a dell ..less trouble wif warranty

Is Dell really the best choice compare to other outside market brand??
Everybody is choosing dell...

what i noticed.. dell always update their model..
some enhanced some to cut cost.. like changing panel etc even from the same model.. so check those part also..

is LG W2361 V-PF good and worth to buy?

Guys i am looking for a lcd monitor thats 27" and above.

Usage is for HD & Bluray movies, and heavy FPS gaming.

Got any recommendations?

Budget?

Maybe Samsung P2770H?

Sorry for being missed out, actually what happened to your monitor that you're seeking for warranty with Dell?

I actually called them up a day later after I received the goods and they missed out another power cord since I ordered for 2 units of monitor and they only sent me one power cord, they immediately re-sent it to me a week later via DHL after the report.

budget around 1k-1.5k.
but the cheaper the better.

This post has been edited by VinluV: May 13 2010, 11:43 PM

anyone can recommend me a 23" or 24" LCD with full HD, 2ms and for gaming.. thanks

watching movie gets me dizzy when the camera swings from one side to another~ Geforce 4 ti with Full HD, 60Hz refresh~ somehow, I think that it is either the refresh rate or the 5ms responce time~

1 bright spot, obvious on black wallpaper~ I was asked to supply service tag but couldn't find any 9-11 digit code although I've written down all codes and called Skynet, Dell CS and Dell hunting line for help~ no one picks up phone for technical support and I can't get through Dell CS coz none of the codes work (service tag)~ I've submitted a warranty request online a week ago and all I get is an automated reply and that's it, no calls, no contact~

the price of U2211H and U2311H had drop to RM659 and RM749 with instant cash rebate

too cheap for ips panel?

same here.also looking for this model.
seems quite good n reasonable price
around 1.1-1.3k.

really suite with my budget
mayb next month gonna have it.

OMGosh... What a deal, what A DEAL!!! SOMEONE PLZ GET IT AND REVIEW!!

cheap IPS panels~ the colour reproduction should be top notch~ I guess the need for review would only be for major issue like response time~ superb price~

Just search throught tons of review regarding all brands of IPS monitor, and gosh... hp zr24w beats Dell U2410 on some area.
Now I'm not into some serious professional graphics, just need some good bleed-less panel, better color/contrast, less ghosting to enjoy my Anime to the fullest, of course gaming as well.

*Drops in confusion*

This post has been edited by wildwestgoh: May 14 2010, 11:08 AM

i think for anime, the colours don't need to be very accurate and I doubt that there will be any ghosting issues~ the movements may be too slow for ghosting to be noticeable, if any~

Oh.. I'm serious when I'm into Anime, those good anime does has all those nice eye candy graphical details, not some cheapo Doraemon, Anime like GITS 1080p, and all the recent BR-Rip Anime is almost as good as Live Action movie (in terms of graphics).
Well, I might be someone that just has higher taste of graphics when into something I like, hopefully my next monitor purchase won't dissappoint me like my hasty 2333SW
At least my previous 930BW is much more brilliant in terms of brightness and response (2ms GTG)... ok, not enough to beat any IPS

If you just buy the monitor alone, you won't have the 9-11 digit service tag one, only those whole set computer got.

From my experience, I phone over the CS. Tell the issue, then the call being directed to a CS personnel. Then I told the issue, name/account/ address, which they have the info to verify it.
He told me to write an email attached with warranty claim issue/photo to him as official paperwork for the warranty claim.
Then after 2 days, courier service sent 1 to 1 replacement unit, and took back the defect one.

Somemore they are premium panel one, don't need to scare got dead pixel.

too cheap for ips panel

they might lack the overdrive ability which us can see 8ms, so it might cause ghosting for fast pace movie.

normally, E-IPS with overdrive ability such as 2209wa only with 5ms G2G.

but the price is indeed very very very attractive.

so cheap ? is it the same with this ? why the price so different

In the 21-23 inch section of dell section

http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/c...dhs1&l=en&s=dhs

which is better?
Budget below 800.
I need a monitor to watch movies, surf n do work.
Not into games

this

Did the URL just changed? 0.0"

Try this
If cannot just choose Dell U2311H, yes yes, buy and review for us.

This post has been edited by wildwestgoh: May 14 2010, 03:46 PM

if im not wrong...dell panel are from samsung

btw...im using samsung 2043sw any1 used before?

yup.. like my dell S-PVA..
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcd...otion_SPVA.html

This post has been edited by 8tvt: May 14 2010, 03:55 PM

hoho, so fast dell remove it from the URL @.@

wow! thanks! I'll go try it out tomorrow during lunch

whoa, they may have placed wrong price

Oh, that link cannot be used, for unknown reason 0.o"
Anyway you can click that link on the comparison page shown earlier. [Product Details]

I doubt that's wrong price, but a bit wary about this model being too cheap for some reason @.@"

Need recommendation for LCD/LED with HDMI for PS3.
I guess must get those with audio output one.

You are the 1021th person asking for suggestions but didn't state your budget.Mana boleh bro

Haha, I knew it. Actually haven't set a budget first. Just wanna know the model availability in the market. Expecting FULLHD.
Anyway, let's put it RM800+- Thanks
For those who bought LCD for their PS3, do give feedback ya.

This post has been edited by Kelv: May 14 2010, 04:41 PM

Samsung P227OH at around RM1.2K

It's a 27" FULL HD monitor.Seems pretty good and probably one of the cheapest 27 inchers around

Yesterday looking at the dell U2211 and U2311 still on 7xx and 8xx range, today so fast drop 100 bucks. Really tempting to buy, and sell away my crap samsung 2233sw.

But not sure if it's good as its advertise or not, and suddenly drop in price uh uh... will wait till review come out first, hehe, let reviewer be the guinea pig
Or... you want to be the guinea pig?

wtfish..

ytd i just order 2290WA, thn today i visit dell website saw new IPS panel model which is U2211H and U2311H..

btw, how long it will deliver to JB? this morning maybank called me said transfer money to dell is success...

Try calling dell asap..maybe your sales agent will allow you to change your order if you act fast.

but..it's a weekend tomorrow..

WOW ...RM 749.001 for a 23" IPS (in-plane switching) panels monitor is cheap man!!!......

how much r those 23" TN panel now selling?? rm 600??.....

The site is closed now. They put wrong price? other lcd promotion date is until 28may'10.

Nope, site still working fine for me

Sure? must be something wrong with my pc memory. nvm tomorrow can check it out.

I guess soon other brand will caming out cheap ips panel lcd too. like someone mention Aoc at previous v8 thread

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This post has been edited by everling: May 15 2010, 12:56 AM

Where can i find the review for the latest Dell U2211 and U2311? It's price is attractive, not sure how's the performace. Is the difference between the 8ms respond time noticeable compare to those of 2ms and 5ms?

Well, all the people here is waiting for the review as well I guess. It just came out in Asia so, I don't think we can see any review until it reaches US/UK.
But if anyone here is care enough to give a review, it'll be very much appreciated.

I think this one won't get many people interested.. opps... there... no HDMI...

This post has been edited by wildwestgoh: May 15 2010, 08:42 AM

Have to care about input lag now. if it is very low then it is a very good buy.

HDMI is no important for me because i don have ps3 or xbox.

but usb hell yea damn useful for me. keyboard, mouse, printer all via monitor LOL... Display port for Eyefinity wow~
And Height-Adjustable stand~~~ + IPS panel for RM749 23" Owning!!

i want to buy a monitor..mainly for gaming and movies...
have my eyes on two models, Samsung XL2370 and Samsung P2770H...
do 27inch too big and 23 inch is enough for pc gaming or the bigger the better?

or any suggestion?budget below1.5k..

This... cannot say bigger better, because both are still the same 1080p, 27" simply has bigger dots.
If you do put your monitor quite far away, then it's ok to say 27" is a good, you got a better look at distance.
But if it's like 3 feet (1 meter) or lower, it's better to take smaller size as will not bend your neck or adjust your eye frequently to look at sides.

And, since XL2370 is new model and also receive good review, it's a good buy, for personal use some more it's GREEN

This post has been edited by wildwestgoh: May 15 2010, 06:21 PM

Hi Guys,

I'm planning to get 27" SAMSUNG P2770, but I'm wondering whether it would be too big as a monitor, would the ratiation from the monitor have any affect if I sit too near to the LCD.

Can you guys advice.

Radiation? I don't think so, because it's using CCFL, just sitting too near might not be too comfortable, bigger screen is for distance (1.5 meters+).
Consider XL2370, if you going to sit less than a meter away from the monitor.

For me, I'm using 23", sitting ~1 meter away for movie and gaming, it's best cause I can see the whole screen without moving my eyeball and neck much.

Using laptop as my sole workstation.Might plan to get a decent external monitor for movie/video purposes...unheard of?

Now I'm in dilemma whether I should buy 27" monitor or not. I'm currently using a 19" monitor and i think new graphic cards will be slightly under utilized if it's used on a 19" monitor..

What's the new graphic card? HD5870? HD5970? GTX480?
If you play Crysis, single card nowadays still over utilize even on 19" (1440x900, 1280x1024), yes ultra quality + AAs
Afraid of under utilize? Just pump up the AA and you can fully utilize the power of a graphic card.

But, of course if you get 21.5" or 23" nowadays can enjoy full HD gaming + movies

This post has been edited by wildwestgoh: May 16 2010, 07:08 AM

Under utilized as in not HD..

Am going out now to survey and look the 27" monitor,and see whether it's suitable for me. Just worry that it's too big and would strain my eyes and neck..

The quality Dell U2711 27" (2560 x 1440) is expensive at RM 2,899. You can get a Dell U2311H 23" (1920 x 1080) IPS for RM 749, but nobody has said if it is okay or good for gaming. Or a cheaper Dell ST2410 24" (1920 x 1080) TN for RM 679.

The only need is RM10 to 15 (or free if you have some lying around/comes with GC) for a DVI to HDMI adapter....

This post has been edited by BeastX: May 16 2010, 04:15 PM

Erm, there's no HDMI port, so basically it's not a common port that non-PC component can connect AFAIK (as far as I know).
However you can actually connect using DVI to Display Port adapter or HDMI to Display Port adapter, which I think can be bought around the price that you stated.
The only thing that some people might not like is since Display Port or DVI doesn't carry sound, you need to hook up your sound system to your own component directly (i.e. PS3, XBOX, etc.).