This is a continuation from the Version 3.0 thread

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=315717&st=2220

Have fun~

p/s I deliberately put 3.1 instead of 4.0 just for the fun of it... 4.0 is reserved for the next-gen LCD panels...

next-gen? hmmm..

my post from previous thread:

hi all! im new lcd user here
since all r thinking 2 get a widescreen
but i jz got a 17" LG L1752S LCD

btw i hv a question here..
from my lcd spec:
"Supported Colors : 16.2M Colors"
wat's tat mean? my lcd oni support 16bit color?

another question is wat d best screen refresh rate 4 lcd?
i set resolution at 1024x768..
so better set refresh rate at 60Hz(min) or 75Hz(max)?
wat's d different?

soli 4 my noob question..

waaaa 3.1........ i tot 4
so i wonder how the next-gen LCD will be....!!

Oh well Continuation from V3 then...

Sorry then, I refrain from rantings from now on >_<. Yeah tend to get overcarried with Dell purchases sometimes (the nightmare and time that I had to undergo). The previous topic is like becoming a Dell discussion topic.

Question 1 - 16.2millions colors is as what is written. LCD Panel had two varieties (IIRC, correct me if i'm wrong), one is a 6-bit panel, which is capable of showing up to 16.2million colors, another is the 8-bit panel, which is capable of showing up to 16.7million colors. It doesnt mean your LCD can support only 16bit, you can put 32 bit no problem. It is just that a single pixel on your LCD is capable of delivering that kind of amount of color variation. (Again, correct me if I'm wrong)

Question 2 - Almost all LCD had a standart figure for refresh rate, and those refresh rate is normally @ 60Hz. 75Hz and all those are normally involved with CRT monitors. The best resolution to put your LCD monitor is the native resolution that is offered for that particular LCD monitor, for example, a 20 inch Wide Screen will have native res' of 1680*1050@60Hz, while a 24 inch wide will have 1920*1200@60Hz.

This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Nov 28 2006, 07:47 PM

How does this LCD panel for pcs compare to a Samsung LCD tv with a 10-bit panel, do I get better pictures if I were to go with a Samsung LCD tv? Just wondering.

10 bit is the chip processing used for colours.. Some higher end lcd like Eizo used 12bit processing per colour. The lcd panel itself is still 8bit for each colour or 256 shades capable 256x256x256= 16.7 million. The processing of colours will in theory add more vibrance to certain images being displayed.

Most lcd tv are 1366x768 resolution .. except for the high end models of 37 inch and above that are able to output 1920x1080 resolution

Regarding refresh rate, what does the Hz actually means? 75Hz = The picture on the monitor can change 75 times in a sec? If that is so, our monitor can ever only display 75FPS or LCD 60FPS max? Or does the Hertz actually mean something else...

Nothing such as 10 or 12 bit LCD panel la. Just the processing power to compensate for something they wanna achieve but couldnt do it with the conventional method. There are only two types for the moment being. You either get a 6 bit panel or 8 bit panel.

6 bit panel commonly known as TN screen which doesnt offer very wide viewing angles and its actually able to produce 256colors only, but manufacturers found some ways to dither the colors that they can display up to 16.2m color which is pretty close to 16.7m colors on typical 8 bit panel (honestly thats what they claimed, who knows).

8 bit panel are true 16.7m color lcd panel, which either is a MVA, PVA or S-IPS panel. These offer better colors n also viewing angles.

Rem: Correct me if i made any mistakes..

Anyway, refresh rate doesnt matter much for LCD becos its different from CRT monitor. It has something to do with the ways they operate. One has to constantly shoot images onto the screen while the other one just change the color of effected pixel (IIRC, haha). Thats why something we play avi video on LCD, even b4 it plays, can see faint still images of the begining of the video but on CRT, its totally black.

10 bits panel..........wah i tot new stuff........... just another marketing gimmick............

btw next generation of LCD panel.........how far can it go ?? MVA and TN price is sliping by the days currently, so we may find 20" above MVA panels at TN prices of today.......... and 17" TN panels price of CRT a year ago.........

To summ up what I have read here..
6 bit panel = 16.2m colours
8 bit panel = 'true' 16.7m colours

So, is it safe for me to assume that 8 bit panels produce much better colour and viewing angle compared to the 6 bit panel?

Im planning to get either the Acer AL2216W(6 bit) or the Viewsonic VG2030 (8 bit) or the Viewsonic VX2235 (not so sure bit) which is rougly around the same price ~ RM 1300 +-

Im really confused here, based on what i know VG2030w > AL2216W due to the 8 bit vs 6 bit (in terms of colour). But there's a review here that says that the acer produces more accurate colour! Reviewhere(assuming that there isnt any significant increase in perfomance of the Viewsonic panels in the lineup). Can someone clear this up for me? Thanks.

Side note: dont really fancy a monitor that has built-in speakers as I will definitely not use it - dont feel its worth it to 'pay' for features that i dont need.

This post has been edited by vassalle: Nov 29 2006, 04:25 AM

Got a question here, mostly new LCD is widescreen but I dislike the resolution because when playing game, some screen will be in black

If I expand to full screen the ratio will become uneven.

Is the current Widescreen LCD still like that? I own a 17 Benq FP73G non widescreen

6 bit panel only produce 64 shades for each colour, three colours ... 64x64x64= 262k of colours not 256...It is using a dithering method which combines adjacent pixels to simulate the desired shade to form 16.2million

It is not the problem of the widescreen LCD, but the game itself. Most newer games does offer native widescreen support, though some will need a sort of hack to unlock widescreen resolution (for example, all NFS series to date, including the latest Carbon)

Games such as WoW, Guildwars, Oblivion, etc all had native widescreen res' support, so those games will play in full screen on a WS LCD.

For older games like Warcraft III or something, yeah you have to bear with the 2 black bars on the side so the game dont appear fat.

But is safe to say that widescreen support will be avalable to almost all future released games, though for some reason EA kept on $%@ that up with the NFS series, lazy ppl, they just need to add the option and some extra coding for Carbon to support WS, since it's XBox 360 counterpart supports WS in the first place >_<

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@ vassalle

Viewing angle is dependant on the panel used, as TN offer the least viewing angle and S-PVA/S-IPS panels offer the best viewing angle. Something like that.

This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Nov 29 2006, 08:14 AM

hmm i see , thanks for the info and heck the newest game I'd played is Carbon and they don't even have WS support

Carbon doesnt have native WS support because EA is being lazy. A large number of EA game doesnt have native WS support, IIRC the latest Battlefield also doesnt have it.

But other than EA, most other game developers give proper WS support on their games.

BTW, Carbon is hackable to enable WS support, it is mentioned somewhere in the Widescreen Topic.

And as I say, future wise, WS will be one of the norm alongside the ordinary 4:3 aspect monitors, and more games will be released to support WS.

WS had an edge of giving more viewing area, and this holds esp. true for FPS game as you can see a wider view.

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Oh well I guess that's enough about WS VS Normal LCD >_<.

Current Dell 19" LCD price not bad I think it risen abit earlier this month but went back down to near 799 now

Good buy?

hey guys..last week i saw dell 2407 selling rm2699 and yesterday i saw rm 2799 where 2day is rm 2599 valid for 3 days..do u guys think is better to wait till PC fair for the latest price or christmas day?

what is the lowest price u guys spotted before for 2407?

So far iz the best and affortable screen to get in the market? i used to have Viewsonic Vx2025..but my gege steal it from me. sad i need to get another lcd..sob sob..

Thanks

This post has been edited by terencetoo: Nov 29 2006, 11:01 AM

Are LCD tvs inferior to Plasma screens in terms of producing shades of grey. Panasonic Viera Plasma tv can produce 2086 shades of grey colour and displayers 686 billion colours (I think I should got that right) and that's what I saw in SenQ the other day. LCD tvs might offer higher resolutions than a Plasma tv because when it comes to colour reproduction, Plasma is still light years ahead of LCD technology. Am I right or I've missed out something? There are too many brands out there confusing me, Samsung claims that they have the first LCD panel with 13-Bit colour, some high end dvd players from Denon can output 13-Bit colour via HDMI, there are Plasma panels supporting 18-Bit colour. What does this mean? Marketing gimmick? That all screens can actually display a maximum of 8-Bit colour?

Some LCD panels from Viewsonic, LG, etc has a response time of 2ms but for Sony Bravia X, even with 8ms of response time, the reviewer mentioned that there was no smearing at all even for playing an XBOX 360 game. So, how did they derive to 2ms, grey to grey respnonse, grey to black response.

Hope that someone can be kind enough to clear my doubts. I'm planning to get a HDTV panel for my HT but I'm not sure which manufacturer is giving me a clear picture on what I'll be getting or expecting from the HDTV panel.

regard 2 refresh rate..
i heard tat higher refresh rate is better 4 gaming purpose.. izzit?

oh yes.. wat is IIRC?

This post has been edited by nckent: Nov 29 2006, 01:42 PM