LCD Monitor Thread v8.00 (FYI: LCD MONITOR ≠LCD TV)


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This post has been edited by kianwee: Aug 14 2010, 02:09 PM

Use this image to test your LCD's color and to detect gradient banding.
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Link to v7.00 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1068719
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This post has been edited by kianwee: Nov 8 2009, 09:15 AM

wow v8 aledy
i still use my 206bw
its been 2years serve me

izzit worth to buy ST2410 online? it worth 779 per monitor.

i'm using p2350

nice one on the size comparison. I'm using an acer 22in. The Prices from 22in to 24in like 2x man..

the only 30in I've seen is from apple. RM6k++

AOC 2434pw seems got gradient banding issue. But overall still rocks.

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Added on November 8, 2009, 12:56 pm


Recently i asked him regarding what else brand good. He asked me to keep away from benq and LG. If i recall correctly he said benq some model got problem and LG warranty is suck. Maybe is same like samsung, consume alot if time to fix the lcd. If i were u i rather got for Acer h22h .

This post has been edited by hpares: Nov 8 2009, 12:56 PM

hi guys, im looking for LCD, what brand is good?
my budget around rm800

any suggestion for me too ?? please....budget RM400. LG or asus better ??

i using dell st2210 i should buy st2410 instaed of this one
lol hehe

i don't like h233h coz it glossy screen..i want to buy dell st2310 at first,but when i read review,it says that it lack brightness n can't display dark scene so well..lastly has to opt for LGw2361v..

This post has been edited by our_team89: Nov 8 2009, 07:19 PM

hi all,

anyone here using Dell 2209WA?
is this model having the same problem with the 24' U2410

what brand is the best?

Advise for all possible Dell U2410 buyer, try to avoid this monitor at all cost!!!

The monitor come with a manufacturer defect of Pink/Green Tint issue, and the solution provided by Dell was "Within Spec" and "Show me a 24" EIZO for $529 and lets compare." By Dell.

You can look into the matter here:
http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19302919.aspx
and here:
http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/1929...spx?PageIndex=6

Im one of the victim, and im currently promoting their crime.

Just a remind from previous thread to avoid additional unhappy customer increases~

This post has been edited by UltraConductor_41: Nov 8 2009, 08:48 PM

lol UltraConductor_41, big news here.


Ya I using this. No problem.
I believe Mr cherroy have 2 unit. Try ask him, should no problem too.

Asus was not mass-produce in LCD monitor, you can take a look on LG/AOC 18.5" monitor.

There is no answer for your question as all brand of LCD has prob. Just state your budget, then we will you a model of lcd. lolx

Quick google suggests it's a hardware issue affecting some monitors using LG IPS screens.

Tried setting a white screen, raised contrast to max, doesn't seem like anything to me. Any other way to test the tint issue?

Not all monitor have that tinting problem. If yours is free from that, than congrat. No need to go find that problem yourself~ The tinting issue is obvious in white background, and damn obvious in a light grey background. Contrast level 50 edi can see the different~ ofcos, more high more significant. you can use "paint" to do the test. just chose the light grey color beside white.

Hi to all,
been thinking of buying a new lcd panels. Seriously need helps and recommendations from you all sifu here.

My budget: 400 to 600 bucks, don't mind adding up if the product is very good and worth the pennies i spent.

My requirement:

1)Not smaller then 22 inch. Prefer 23 or 24 inch tho if possible. Bigger is Bettar!!!

2)Full HD is a must. Decent colour and good brightness. Preferably with 2ms response time coz I am a gamer

3)Not really sure about 16:9 or 16:10, does it make any difference?

4)HDMI is not required as I believe we only need it for ps3/xbox360, right? Or does hdmi offer any advantage on computers compare to DVI?

5)Doesn't really care about the brand as long as the product itself is good. Or maybe the warranty and after sales services?


Right now I'm looking at
Acer X233H <--- Cheaper 23inch I can find.
Acer H233H <--- More pricey but same size as above, is it good?
AOC 2434 <--- Heard LOTS of ppl recommending this but over my budgets, does it worth the money?

MY friend just bought a benQ 22inch lcd for just rm399 Is this price possible? Or he get conned liao?
How about other brands like Viewsonic, LG, HP, Fujitsu, Dell, ASUS, Samsung and LOT"S MORE.... until I pengsang liao

Please HELP me to choose a good LCD monitor THanks for your times Sifu

This post has been edited by InFe_eD: Nov 9 2009, 08:22 AM

22inch lcd rite now price around rm400-rm600. depend on what brand.by the way..benq 22inch also hv many model...so rm399 can consider cheap for 22inch..and can be possible..but in market also benq G-model price around rm450++.but for E-model and V-Model(new led lcd type) still pricey coz hv better spec.. acer also value for money..but.if u looking for profesional lcd type..u can make BenQ E-model and V-model as ur example.

http://ap.benq.com/products/LCD/?product=1559
http://ap.benq.com/products/LCD/?product=1566

This post has been edited by diadokmai: Nov 9 2009, 10:19 AM

my dual BenQ E2200HD serve me well....
for my rigs n oso for my PS3

Yeah..sure most people will feel satisfied with the E-model.

This post has been edited by diadokmai: Nov 9 2009, 10:19 AM

giv me 5 bro =D i m using 206BW for 2 years oso ... xD

i think i've already recommended dis lcd in previous thread to another lyners. BTW im using it rite now. Great lcd

anyone know any shop/person that have stocks for Samsung 733N and Samsung 2233sw?

currently deciding between aoc 2434 and LG W2361V...
any complains about this two??

I have 3 unit now.

Office use, so far, not encounter any problem, touchwood. Just the second unit got dead pixel, which had been exchanged 1 for 1.

How to test the tinted issue then?

Hi there,

Ohh.. no... So funny here. Previous week, you and others recommended this monitor and I look at specs and found that it's quite good. Read a few posts and review in cnet and etc. So I bought a unit also last week and arrive last week. Was using it over the weekend. Excellent monitor.

Now pulak, you say there are issues here. Wt, ha ha...

I read some post that not all are affect with this. Can you post some screen shots of your issues that you face on this? Now in office, not yet look at the issues, hopefully none finger cross.

Additonally, you mentioned in your other posts that you have change quite a couple of times the monitor previously. Hopefully, I am not getting your first monitor because it came quite fast. Initially, there was a person from India who contact me saying that the monitor is in India under production (Tuesday) and the goods arrived in Malaysia on Thurs!! Either efficient production and super post laju. Ha.. ha...

Did you sent back to Dell due to these issue on Pink/Green Tint? Thanks.


Swee

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Added on November 9, 2009, 3:35 pmHi there,

How do know the unit got some dead pixels? How do you test it? Looking at each pixel individually? lol

Thanks


Swee


This post has been edited by sweelee: Nov 9 2009, 03:35 PM

there are so many software rite now to test Ur LCD either hv dead pixel or not.. one of them is this.

http://software-today.com/test-your-lcd-screen-dead-pixels

and u also can detect it by ur own eyes..if u hv eyes like me.. no problem la..

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Added on November 9, 2009, 3:46 pmFoCUS!! FoCUS!!

This post has been edited by diadokmai: Nov 9 2009, 03:50 PM

Hi,

Thanks for your prompt replay.

Lol, you must have some sharp eyes there. Look at this then to see whether you are still focusing correctly. Ha ha...




Swee

I've been using Benq V2400W for 2 years now and plan to change to a new monitor.

Personally for me, the V2400W is one the top TN panel monitors, I've tried Dell S2409W and Viewsonic VX2260 and they pale in comparison in terms of rich colors and brightness/contrast.

Any recommendations for a monitor that can equally perform or better?

Just set the whole screen into white/black/blue/red colour, if there is dead pixel, you can see one dot like a dirt one.

My experience on the dead pixel, I only found it after a day, once I read some document,, somehow taught there is a dirt on screen, so try to rub it off, but found only, it cannot be rubbed off. Then set the screen into colour as mentioned then found it.

wow!! cant FOCUS rite now!! lol
this is not a dead pixel..this is DEaDManChest.

This post has been edited by diadokmai: Nov 9 2009, 04:33 PM

Light grey? Hmm... I ran all my tests in pure white and didn't find a thing. Will check this up later.

Asia's U2410 is likely to be produced only in China .... the call centre maybe in India (not the production facility). Info available on the plastic tab behind the USB ports/card reader.

Tint issue.. Green on left screen.... Pink on the right side (or other variations of screen uniformity)... Mine U2410 has it to, but very slightly on grey background, un-noticeable on white background. Tint issue varies from panel to panel. You can fault LG's production and Dell not getting the cream of the crop (Apple, NEC, Eizo and HP gets first dibs.)

Your monitor should be new, it is the request for replacements that may get refurb. units.

There is also the dithering issue on Abode RGB and sRGB modes. This will be address with new firmware. Very bad on Dell's part.. 2 and 1/2 years ago with the 2407wfp banding (firmware issue), still with firmware issue with the latest Ultra I guess it maybe wise to always wait for rev A01 on Dell's product...

This post has been edited by BeastX: Nov 9 2009, 05:20 PM

Hi,

Thanks for your input here.

Btw, not sure whether you are connecting your PS3/video to the monitor, how do you connect the sound output from monitor to sound speaker beside buying a Dell speaker extension? I have connected the HDMI cable from video player to monitor and wondering how to connect it to sound speaker? Do you unplug the speaker that is connected to computer to the monitor? Or do you need to buy another kind of cable? Thanks.


Swee

Standard 3.5mm stereo plugs!!??.... need to look/check again to be sure....

I think AOC 2434pw got gradient banding issue. I scroll up and down while viewing the tester, the color seems running. Does it occur with other monitor?

Guys I just got myself this hp2509p 25" Full HD Monitor at RM1199. Pretty decent one.

Mine don't have this prob.

1.2k is worth !

This post has been edited by Faint: Nov 9 2009, 09:07 PM

3d card problem?

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Added on November 9, 2009, 9:11 pmThis 1 wo. Den isit monitor or 3dcard problem?

This post has been edited by hpares: Nov 9 2009, 09:11 PM

my laptop got HDMI port, does it bring something good for LCD or not?

are trying with HDMI input?
Mine got while using vga,but once using HDMI input problem solve

Using HDMI all the time.

if my laptop got HDMI port should i use it rather than VGA?

it's been 10 days, my angelo still at aoc service center, gadget zone sucks, said wana call me for update, but never heard from them, i need to call them myseld somemore !!!

Use it if your LCD have HDMI too. why not?

This sure lar.... Call you for update = mean your lcd is back from warranty, pls came take back. Not your warranty process leh..

guys,how about samsung p2350??is it good?

My Samsung T240 took 6 weeks, good luck mate.

I thought AOC is on site service for 1st year?

As quote~ wish you luck~

Thanks for your recommendation. But somehow I couldn't find the S2309 model at Dell 's site Maybe out of stock liao.

Is the AOC 2434PW good? I couldn't find the review at testfreak.

Any other suggestion

i also looking monitor same as InFe_eD.

ima eye looking on AOC 2434pw, is it worth?

compairing to samsung 2333sw which 1 beter?

May I know how much do it cost you?

Nah~~i never recommend ppl in buying U2410. You can check the previous thread version 7~ not me~ i only said what was the thing convince me. I only do the math in pricing, but that time i tot premium panel should be free from problem. But i guess im wrong. Its Dell!!
Yeah, on the term or pricing and the "introduction" of dell web site, it really attractive, but than who know the real unit is come with so many problem.. its manufacturer defect which you could only found out when you had 1. and based on the performance of my LCD, i can say that the web site info is all fake, and its cheating..i know thats rude, but its true

nope..screen shot is unable to let u see the problem as its physically green and pink. Only a camera and photoshop with saturation boost do the work, but i dont have photoshop and a good camera. You can see the photo by others who have this problem in dell forum.

That one depend on luck actually, not every unit have that problem. but i dont have your kind of luck. yes, i had send it back, but the new 1 is come with more serious problem.
Pink tint on upper right, green tint of lower left, and serious backlight bleeding (i only notice this when my friend came over yesterday). he din notice the tint until i told him, but the first thing he notice is backlight bleeding which i dont know what is that until yesterday.

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Added on November 10, 2009, 12:48 amyup~light grey color is most obvious for tint issue. And remember, dont set your contrast too low. Im at level 50~

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Added on November 10, 2009, 12:55 amactually for warranty..there is possible for you to get a new unit~ i got a new unit for my 3rd replacement without showing my anger.
yes, dithering issue is also 1 of the problem of U2410. you all can test it here: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
u will see the different between srgb/adobe rgb and other mode~

This post has been edited by UltraConductor_41: Nov 10 2009, 12:55 AM

so u already bought aoc 2434 then...been reading the previous thread when u still considering this model..
so,hows the performance??

IINM he's using his cousin's monitor...

OK I checked out my screens. Tried several shades of grey, all appeared grey on max brightness and contrast.

Then I went to Dell's community forum and the Reply/delicious/digg bar appears a very light pink.

Using that colour, I created an image, filled that colour and displayed fullscreen. No green. Just a light pink same shade across the entire screen. Also, it only seems to affect it at 80++ contrast level. I'm using much lower than that, so I guess I won't bother risking getting a crap refurbished unit for something I won't notice 99.9999% of the time (unlike the dithering issue)

Hi UltraConductor,

Ok, noted on your comments above. Would like to check with you also whether you have connected the HDMI cables to video/PS3? For the sound output, did you use a 3.5 mm line to connect to the monitor? BeastX is also checking on this. Thanks in advance.


Swee

No la, they said will update me with the progress as well.

Thanks god, they finally call me, AOC told them they r going to replace a brand new unit for me by next week !!!
Hopefully it's a good unit then

Juz place an order for 1 unit of AOC 2434PW with a forumer and COD 2nite ...

lol... thats the tinting problem~ but as long as you cant notice it, den just keep it...warranty it half year be4 ur warranty period goes off.

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Added on November 10, 2009, 5:48 pmerm..sorry that i didnt do that test as my GC dont have hdmi.. cos i using an old 8500gt 512mb gc only as im not a gamer~
not sure how to use the audio port, but i assume its hdmi thing~

heres a quote:
"There's even a 3.5mm audio out jack here, for pushing out audio you've got feeding in through HDMI, either to a speaker system or to Dell's optional soundbar which can be mounted under and powered by the monitor."

This post has been edited by UltraConductor_41: Nov 10 2009, 05:48 PM

Wa.. good news lor. After sell service good consider very good liao. Any user have their LCD warranty experience about other brand?

after u got it please give comment i was thinkning to get 1 also xD

Actually, kind of redundant but an option none-the-less (if you have analog input speakers). If you already have audio out by ps3/pc/x-box through stereo audio analog out, there is no need to pipe digital audio through HDMI of the monitor that converts the audio to analog.

I see it as just a convenience for Dell's attached speakers or a cheap digital to analog audio decoder piped through HDMI.

I'm using P2350 and I find it quite nice specially the Touch Button hahaha

My AOC arrive today. Very satisfying. But i not sure got gradient banding issue or not coz i not sure how to check actually. Same like my cousin's, if i scroll up and down , the color seems somehow running. I not sure isit test like this or not.

Congra ! It took how many days to repair ur LCD ? Try dl the monitor driver from AOC, then c gradient banding issue still exist onot.

I installed the driver from CD. Btw how to register its warranty?

anyone can teach me how to unlock the AOC height? i tried the way it show by pushing down the LCD and click the unlock button but nothing happend xD

U press the button, den push the LCD screen from below. Btw u guys de AOC 2434 is white color? Why mine black color =.=.

This post has been edited by hpares: Nov 10 2009, 10:34 PM

ya..i finally manage to did tat...i tot i nid to push down...instead i shld be pushing up..kanasai ...

now prob wif resolution on my stupid build in graphic chipset...much worse is in win7 and no supporting driver xD

btw..mine oso dark grey at the back panel

I wanted to get an extension for the power cord. The transformer, ( i dunno what i should call it the segi empat thing that connect to power cord) can i get an extension wire for it from the transformer to the monitor? what i should call that extension wire? Because my table rather small, i wish i could put it on the floor.

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Another my ST2410 pic to poison you all, hehe

ST2410 good for watching movies or games?
i want to use it mainly for PS3
any review?

This post has been edited by busbos: Nov 11 2009, 04:21 PM

i guess white colour back is the odl batch (as I seen this model 5-6 months back), mine also grey back, so I think it's the latest batch gua.
i prefer grey back, not so easy to get dirty

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it's very objective one woh, i like it not so bright, so brightness and contrast is very low nia, not exceed 30

hope can have some suggestion!
1)20" samsung 2033SW=RM475
2)19" viewsonic VX1940W=RM399!

=.= i use MOVIE setting most the time since i watch anime alot.

宅男？

Click HERE to see my monitor setting, I'm using user-defined mode.

Please do not

haha, sorry sorry

try benQ E2200HD, its quite cheap for full HD lcd monitor i think. i used it for my PS3

LOL....saw some interesting quote again for Dell LED G2410 LCD:


"All,

Flickering during power save modes is expected. The monitor is working as designed."

This time not U2410, its G2410~ ^^

here: http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19272263.aspx

Bravo Dell~~ every defect is within spec~~

1st time heard that some error happen beacuse it's working as designed, funny

faint... How could this happen =.=

I remember one of forumer own this model of LCD. Mr KeV? Is that you?

DELL promotions expires tonight. Hoping to see some good offers tomorrow.

I wont deny that. Indeed leading a lonely life now

dont expect wat good offers la.
last few weeks also like tat. website saying offer only valid till when and when. but then after tat offer period, i go and check website, new date in showing there and the price is still the same. old marketing gimmick trick used by dell. wonder y they still dont wanna reduce the price to make them more competitive to other brand like aoc and viewsonic. their price for the same range monitor is much cheaper..

goshh..dunno wat happend wif my AOC ...
i juz change to ati5770 card
and then my full hd reso can be apply..
but it does not show full screen ..
anyone can help on this?

No no, They actually have some Special offer. Sometime only. Have to spend time to look it everyday T-T, like praying it pop out.

If got special offer for normal LCD I think i gonna loot for it. Damn samsung warranty service. Has been 1month, LCD no back. My father every-night bad mood.

same old problem, dun panic
Go to ATI Catalyst Control Center, under HDMI, got one "Scale Option", drag it to 0%, then u will get ur full screen display

Dun know why ATI CCC always got prb like this to angelo

This post has been edited by c2s: Nov 12 2009, 11:10 PM