Male , 180cm , 73kg

Just finish my 1st protien(syntha6) looking for other protien brands with low fat content , current brands in mind freak fix, gold standard , nitro-tech hardcore. Any suggestion?

try all of it...c which suits u the best..

This post has been edited by eanson: Oct 18 2009, 01:12 AM

whey is whey not much diff
but on gold is decent

anything can do..just avoid taking those weight gainers la,unless u wanna grow..if for normal one, i guess all protein serves the same function anyway..u pay more and brands actually..

ON GOLD STANDARD WHEY or SCIVATION EXTEND

Been using Optimum Nutritions 100% double rich chocolate for almost 2 years and still lovin' it.

Depends on your objective man. Rather than just listen and follow, you should try out.
Anyway, few threads about protein and whey already exists.

Why do you wanna change???
When selecting Protien, look at the blend.
the best is include all basic stack

go for the cheapest one.

Edited Just realized I posted before in this thread.

This post has been edited by Kelv: Oct 18 2009, 05:26 PM

What blend?
It's just whey.

There is a similar thread existed in this corner

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1052314

There is no magical power in protein powder, but if u think that the bottle of the whey looks so cool that u cant resist in getting it, then go ahead.

When we talking about protien shake, it's not just whey.
7 type of protien you need to know instead of whey only

when you don't even care what you put inside your mouth, i dont think that would be important...not need to go into details unless you're totally hardcore and taking protein with insane training...

whey is whey...protein is protein...if ppl wanted that bad, just let them buy it...cheapest, most expensive is not the issue...not need to try it all before you can make decisions...learn from other ppls experience...ppl have testified this brand is good, so just go for it lor...

again, i would recommend Optimum Nutritions 100% Gold Standard Whey and Scivation Xtend...based on my experience and others....

Ppl are over conservative, seriously. Back in the time i first taking whey, i think i annoyed quite a numbers of ppl asking if i need to take iso whey or concentrated whey. Some saying the normal whey consist of the mixture of both with concentrated whey dominant. So i was so anxious that the BV is not high enough for my post workout and ask all sort of stupid question. But end up with small muscle still. Sometime we seems to over focus on supplement as a magical stuff in bodybuilding, is actually wat we need to concern more is our 5-6meals of diet.

Dun get fool into those marketing, we know they r good in talking.

I also hate people when they are so advance in BB like to trash people asking about protien shake like this.

why don't you start another thred discussion you opinion rather that messing around people asking about protien??

He wanna know about protien shake/power not diet, marketing, whey bla bla bla.

learn to stick with the topic

of course there are marketing hype out there, that why he ask here in this forum what protien he should buy instead of listening to the marketing hype.

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Added on October 19, 2009, 1:26 pmI Would Suggest PRO COMPLEX

This post has been edited by arekey: Oct 19 2009, 01:26 PM

I feel a lil weird on ur reply.

Again, i dont see a moderator on ur avatar or anyway, sorry i cant comply wat u command me to do.


This post has been edited by jamis: Oct 19 2009, 03:34 PM

No problem coz you're pathetic. It's what makes you interesting

I won't be as lowly as you to start personal insults but i wanna know the reasons why you chose Pro Complex specially??Why not simply 100% gold whey?

Sorry, does mean to insult. sometimes these people anoying.

100% gold whey is work too. Pro complex even better coz have blend of protien.
Pro complex has whey and Egg albumen. means have multiple source of protien. plus high in amino.

Even wonder why BB have egg on thier diet?
Based on my experience, protien powder with egg ablumen work faster like weider megamass

This post has been edited by arekey: Oct 19 2009, 04:59 PM

Well go ahead, i dont really care what u "arekey" say about me. But if let say some other say so, i might consider, but u?

Weider Jr is back

Bro,am willing to explain a bit this time!

We prefer to get normal whey as its cheaper!

Why?

As you said egg is important,am a heavy egg eater and i know that,means that we already have egg in our diet.

Essential amino acids are obtained from our diet and the non-essential ones the body can manufacture.

Most of the regulars here already know this so why spend more on supplements??

Spend the extra money on natural food will be better!

Megamass has too much carbs and not enough protein per scoop!

This thread is getting interesting. lol!

Amen to that! LOL!
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I recommend:
Buying pure whey from 4Rings.
or ON Whey.

No need for fancy-pansy stuff like Pro Complex or Syntha6million or Appeton Weight Gain or Nucleartech or iamyuanwu-freaking-awesome-godzilla-whey.

If I want a weight gainer: I just add glucose/maltodextrin/Vitargo into my whey, eat lots of bananas, eat lots of eggs.

As for blends of egg albumin, egg yolk, whey isolates, whey concentrates, whey super-duper isolates etc... no need to bother lah. They all do the same thing: give you protein quick and easy.

Oh, no need to bother with the amino acid sh!t. Protein IS amino acid. LOL!

If Pro Complex works wonders you could post a pic of yourself? I might give it a shot if you were huge and ripped. Otherwise my preferences would be Dymatize Elite Whey or ON, they cost the same. Or if you on tight budget then I would suggest you contact pizzaboy's supplier or 4Rings.

Yeah thats the point. normal people like me do not eat egg regular or heavy like you do.

that's why 100% whey is perfectly fit for you and other that have egg on their diet.

But me?? need pro complex to match your diet.
The technical behind the pro complex is by combining these protien (whey+egg) is to maximize the uptake of these amino acids and minimize the premature breakdown of amino acid cause by too rapid absorbtion.

why i spend more money on pro complex is because i'm not heavy egg eater while you can spend you save at egg.

Pro complex is for post workout to accelerate recovery. megamass is for pre workout to add some energy.

it's true megamass has low on protien, but you can get extra protien from your diet.

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Added on October 20, 2009, 8:34 amI'm am junior, seniorrr.
Anything that work for you just share here so we don't have to listen to the marketing hype like nitrotech.
I'm geting advice from my trainer too.
Just wanna share the info and outcome

This post has been edited by arekey: Oct 20 2009, 08:38 AM

relax guys, this is just some opinions la..results vary from each other..anyway, are u an expert in nutrient arkey?..anyway, all this supplements is all about money..mosy ppl can't afford..rather then buying supplements, ppl go for real food for growth..supplements, i think helps only a lil bit..is either u're going for ripped or going for size, i think it's solely on diet..that's all..have a look at Kevin Levrone..he's doing the natural way,and he grows due to proper food and training..which, i doubt most of us in here can achieve that..well except for kmaru coz he's a bodybuilder..he knows the way..

u can get the best brands or wat soever supplements u can get, but if u're real food is not quality one, i doubt u're gonna grow..hey, maybe it's just me, coz i take only protein and glutamine,but so far, my gf and frens says that i'm in better shape compare to last time, and i seriously think that it's down to my food intake..

and don't la condemn2 ppl arkey..we're her to juz share xperience and results..juz take it as it is la..relax bro..

seems like u manage to nail ur problem but u still prefer to be ignorant and drown in the mist of supplement. Smart.

U LOVE TO compare and when u lose out u will start using the word "u r advance, u r senior or watever " and yet u want to speak so loud tat as if u r a super duper ultimate pro. Good that u realize how "junior" u r so i think the best way to solve ur issue is to stop whining around and saying this supplement is ultimate and it do miracle, or may be u dont know that every product do come from "raw material".

By the way, now I really c a good example of self conceit.

No I'm Not.

Mind to share your protien and glutamin type and brand. we might try it

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Added on October 20, 2009, 10:23 amI'm not having diet like BB do. That's why i'm relying on supplement.



This post has been edited by arekey: Oct 20 2009, 10:23 AM

Huh?
The whole point of taking supplements like whey or egg protein powders is because we can't get enough from food sources.

You're getting the whole concept backwards: you are taking the supplements as the main protein source, and using food to supplement your 'supplements'.

BTW, your body doesn't break down amino acids into nothing. It breaks down protein INTO amino acids (AA), then absorbs the AA.

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Is the rate of protein absorption really that important?
Anyone care to give their opinions? I don't really know because I've never bothered with it.

i use the syntha 6 on my off days,which i drink it before i go to sleep..and on training days i use Ultimate Nutrition..Glutamine, jz a normal one..the EGO brand..last time use ultimate nutrition.

btw bro, it's not about having a bb diet la..u can search and google on how to get a body like say Arnold, Hugh Jackman, Bradd pitt..there they share all info from diet to training..sure can get one..if not 100%, at least almost similar consider ok la..

No i don't. Food still main source protien. just don't like eating boil egg and eat 6 times a day. Only i eat a lot of chiken.

That why i'm choosing Protien supplement which contain egg ablument profile.

Pro complex now suit to my profile and i've done my research. It's work but pricey.

If i'm eating egg, 100% whey just enough.

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Added on October 20, 2009, 1:32 pmwow 2 brand of protien.
syntha 6 also have egg ablumin. that makes the product work i think (Based on my experience).
from what i read from the user, the flavor is delicios. rite?

This post has been edited by arekey: Oct 20 2009, 01:32 PM

actually not all whey are created equal. There are 2 types, whey protein isolate & whey protein concentrate. From my limited knowledge, whey protein isolate is more expensive. Not sure whether its better or not. On Whey is an example of whey protein isolate. For me, cost is important (since I take a lot of whey), so I am using Scivation Whey (10lbs for Rm300). Its whey protein concentrate. The only difference I find between ON & Scivation is that I get really thirsty after drinking ON whey. Other then that, haven't really noticed much difference. BTW anyone here using the whey 4Rings is selling? Price is really tempting .

The difference of isolate and concentrate is the pureness of the whey in the raw material.
Isolates (of any protein e.g. whey, soy, egg) is more pure. Up to 97% (if I'm not mistaken).
Concentrates are lower in purity. That means the raw material contains 85-90% of whey/soy/egg/etc.

Manufacturers (ON, BSN, Muscletech, Amway, Nutrilite, etc) buy these WPI or WPC... then add in colourings, flavourings, carbs, etc.
Then *poof*, you've got your product.

It doesn't matter WPI or WPC they use. It's the protein content which matters.
If a brand uses WPC but adds very little crap, you'll still get a good product with high protein %.
If another brand uses WPI, but adds a tonne of carbs (which is dirt cheap), ash etc. Then you get lower protein %. <-- not so value for money.

Probably the the artificial sweetener in ON Whey is causing the thirst.

You think you know it all, but it's just your opinion...everyone has a right to their own opinion, however no one has a right to their own facts...so, let's just stop here and let others share their experiences in consuming proteins...

i think besides ON Gold Standard 100% Whey and Xtend Scivation, Dymatize Elite Whey looks promising...anybody has tried this ??

I tried ON's Pro Complex (due to the fact it was on a discount, if I remembered correctly), didn't really get any significant difference in terms of recovery and slower digestion of protein and so on, was hungry in a short while after taking it anyways.

Except it tasted better than the ON gold standard whey.

Just wanna add, different protein sources have distinct amino acid profiles and utilization rates

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Added on October 20, 2009, 4:08 pmThis protien shake will open up your appetite.It's normal
So after Pro Complex fail. did you switch to another brand/type??
Pls Share your experience especially Protien that work for you.

This post has been edited by arekey: Oct 20 2009, 04:10 PM

Went back to regular ON Gold Standard Whey and some other brand whey which I can't remembered (when it was cheaper).

End results: better for my wallet.

I rather just spend my money on normal whey and creatine. How big a difference would it make anyway? Using Dymatize Elite Whey now, about the same as ON only la. Berry Blast doesn't taste that good in water, but damn nice with milk/ soyabean.

Please allow me say a few words about whey protein.

Raw whey is a by product of cheese making and was dumped into the drain before it was discovered as a superior source of protein.
The protein is isolated by various types of processing methods and each method yields different % of protein, amino acid profile and nutrition value.
As for bodybuilding, it doesn't make any difference if you are using A or B. But certain individuals would not be tolerance to certain types of processing method because different processing method yields different quality of whey proteins or components. Whey protein is composed of many components. Different people react differently to certain components in the whey protein.

I have been selling whey proteins since the mid 90s before I started importing my own stuffs in 2001. I can say that whey proteins produced superb results on people who have impaired or poor immune response. Different whey proteins produced different results for this case. There are specialized whey proteins which are processed specifically to meet certain specifications for specific purpose. They don't come cheap because of the hi tech machines that are designed for that purpose. These whey proteins do make a big difference in immune support. But as for bodybuilding, I don't think it will make any significant impact on muscles gain. I would go for the cheaper whey protein concentrate.

This is from my 14 years experience in selling and supplying various types of whey proteins for general health, nutrition therapy and lastly bodybuilding.

ic, but most of the protein consumed by weight lifters like myself, we take the ones like ON's rite?the isolates one..for at least or slightly bttr result is - concntrate?is it?or i wrongly misunderstood these things?:Phahaha..

getting pening already now..

The isolate has more protein than concentrate. That's all. Isolate doesn't give you better results. Concentrate has better nutrition value while isolate has higher protein %.

Apa benda you rambling?
Isolate and Concentrate is just the grading of the raw materials (e.g. whey).

'Concentrate' has lower %, 'isolate' is purer with higher %. <--- these 2 are raw materials used to make ON 1000% Platinum Whey, BSN Syntha6,000,000, NuclearTech, etc.

Just shuddup and drink you whey.

How about another protien source compare to whey??

wah,need to be rude izzit?
i donno thats y i asked..if i were smart i wouldn't be here in the first place..
reason why i'm ere is coz maybe u guys got some extra info which can maybe enlighten me a lil bit..thanks anyway.

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Added on October 21, 2009, 9:21 amthanks bro..now i got it..hmm..might try and find some info more on this..:

This post has been edited by D_Predator: Oct 21 2009, 09:21 AM

I think the main purpose of ISO whey in the bodybuilding industry is for the reason that some of the individual suffer from lactose intolerance, therefore those solution are better for them. Nevertheless it is freaking expensive compared to con whey.

Thumbs up for 4rings.

P/S: just manage to watch "Stronger, Bigger, Faster", the par they talk about supplement, really explained it all.

This post has been edited by jamis: Oct 21 2009, 09:40 AM

nice bro..thanks for the info..will look into it..

No dude, that's 'bro talk' and satire. Sorry if it came across as crass.

Now just shuddup & suck it up!
Ahahahahahaha!

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Added on October 21, 2009, 10:18 amGo look up the PER (protein efficiency ratio) value of the protein. PER = Gain in body protein(gm) / Protein intake (gm)

This post has been edited by iamyuanwu: Oct 21 2009, 10:18 AM

[quote=iamyuanwu,Oct 21 2009, 10:17 AM]
wah,need to be rude izzit?
i donno thats y i asked..if i were smart i wouldn't be here in the first place..
reason why i'm ere is coz maybe u guys got some extra info which can maybe enlighten me a lil bit..thanks anyway.[/quote]No dude, that's 'bro talk' and satire. Sorry if it came across as crass.

Now just shuddup & suck it up!
Ahahahahahaha!

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Added on October 21, 2009, 10:18 amGo look up the PER (protein efficiency ratio) value of the protein. PER = Gain in body protein(gm) / Protein intake (gm)

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ok, sorry mate..tot u were pissed coz i asked a lot of questions..
btw, do u think someone with an endomorph body can get lean very easy?hmm..to be honest, my frens says dat my 4 pack is getting visible..so, how do we actually do with the last one?is it potong air like some say?or diet sumore?my diet,well, 70-80% clean..juz wanna try only to get the 6 pack..if cannot it's ok.. still happy..

sorry for digressing...

Predator,

Bro, u a marathon runner izzit?or u join those iron man thingy?u sound really fit..

No lah. I don't run marathon.
It's just a short cross country I run for fun. I totally forgot about it until a week before. Then, semangat giler buat training. But I didn't feel it made any difference. LOL!
And I'm not fit. I'm skinny.

perhaps cutting your calories, fatburner, hydrocut.
Flaxseed oil can tap to your bodyfat and turn it into energy. give it a try

This post has been edited by arekey: Oct 21 2009, 06:17 PM

haha..its a good watch wasnt it?
watch the part they photoshopped the model for NitroTech? that is epic


Chow

Yeah, lol tats wat we always see in the magazine for those product. He freaking go and draw the abs. The photoshop dude said "It works all the time" lol. Then aft tat the guy go and mix those creatine and stuff into pills and said it is new type of supplement since FDA is not going to check. lol.

This post has been edited by jamis: Oct 21 2009, 05:44 PM

conclusion?go and do the natural whey, keep ur supplement at minimum bay, and no steroids..

U got it. Prioritize real food.

Guys, have u been to this guy website..he usually writes at bodybuilding.com..name is costanza or something..he says he's on natural..respect this guy la..doing it natural requires sheer dedication man..how i wish..he doesn't and will nvr believe in roids..then again, our cost of food here is so expensive..blom cukup bulan sudah mau bankrap..

oh,btw, this is the guy website :http://anthonycatanzaro.com/


This post has been edited by D_Predator: Oct 22 2009, 10:25 AM

Conclusion is go for 100% gold standard whey.
Just to add a note:
For many years, egg protein was considered the best source. It is still the best natural source. It has a complete protein profile and is easily digested and absorbed.

Why Use Bodybuilding Supplements?


This post has been edited by arekey: Oct 22 2009, 01:23 PM

try d dymatize elite whey...wont dissapoint u

Are you sent here to promote ON 100% by ON? How much they paid you for this job? Can i apply for the job too?

Anyway, you're one of those guys who always over-complicate things. Protein is protein, be it iso or concentrate. Eggs or beef or chicken or whey or shit. They're all protein.

What you need to follow is, eat up to 1-1.5g per bodyweight in lb. U need to eat that much of protein, regardless of where it came from.

You see, if you dont eat enough protein, and all you do is to talk-shit about this is more efficient and that is more effiecnt, eggs albumin bla bla bla , ON OFF 1000% whey. Given the most expensive whey in the world, u dont grow. Why? because u dont eat enough.

Who would u bet on?

On your left : A guy who lectures on protein but take 50g of protein per day?
On your right: A guy who eat 200-250g of protein per day and train like hell , and know nuts about protein ?

+1

its all in the diet man. ive friends who don noe how to do most of the lifts in gym. yet they're still bigger and stronger than me. spam the protein and just lift, bodyweight exercises and weighted bw as well.

This post has been edited by cheezzzz: May 15 2010, 12:05 PM

Both of you aren't wrong.

Just eat, lift and rest.

It is wrong to assume that all protein sources are alike. You cannot compare milk protein to beef protein for instance.

Both are composed of entirely different things, and have different absorption rates, nutrients, bioavailability.. and so many other things.

It is important to hit daily macros, especially protein when it comes to building muscle, in this way protein is protein. But they are NOT all the same thing. The average trainee should not worry about timing their different kinds of proteins, but as you progress and learn more about nutrition and your body, this will help you alot.

This post has been edited by tineagle: May 15 2010, 12:51 PM

I want a Peanut Butter Protein...
i want Peanut Butter PROTEINNNNNN

Is it okay if i take whey protein 3 times a day + animalpak multivitamin? Will it cause alot of stress to my kidneys? I drink around 10 cups of water a day.

Its cool...Make sure you eat lift and rest

you need to drink MORE water. 10 cups is only 2.5litres. I drink that much during my workout alone..

Aim for at least a gallon a day.(1 US gallon = 3.78541178 litre)

Also, high protein diets and high doses of vitamins will surely tax your liver/kidney more than usual, there is no escaping that.

Issit safe in the long run? Well, much safer than what you put your body through when we consume alcohol, so you do the math

Yes. No stress on kidneys unless you're having renal pathology. Common sense drink more water. But don't drink till you explode and die.

You are right. Proteins are not created equal. They have different amino acid profile. Red meats are different from white meat. Whole egg have higher biological value than meats. We should eat different protein food to get the benefits from each source.

Is whey protein a good step for person who in the process of losing weight but in the same time build muscle?

how about instead of taking it normally like other person, losing weight people only take it twice a day.

First with oat on breakfast. Second, post workout.

How you use whey can help you with weight loss.

Whey is calories, but compared to solid food, the calories come mostly from protein and not carbs/fats. Therefore taking it as a meal replacement or snack over junk food/ dirty food can keep you full with clean calories.

At the end of the day, its your caloric deficit that will make you lose weight. 1 scoop of whey consists of 120-160calories; and it may be able to keep you full and away from food cravings where you over indulge and end up with a caloric surplus.

so, can i put it like this

breakfast
oat+whey+fruits [blend]

lunch
a piece of chicken [not fried] + veges

post workout
whey

dinner rice +meat

this is for weight loss

This post has been edited by Cotton Diesel: May 19 2010, 10:03 PM

yeah, sounds good.

If you get hungry in between meas, snack on fruits n veges.

thanks mate. however, gonna workout for 3 months first without any supplement. gonna use the original source from my body first.

not your body, its from whole food.

i take 2 pak everyday.
i've never had any piss colors other than glowing green.

This post has been edited by ReonLim83: May 20 2010, 10:47 AM

The Guy Ask
i just answer the question

pls feel free to support nitrotech. i won't flame you.

This post has been edited by arekey: May 20 2010, 05:12 PM

dont worry, i dont support nitrotech.

Yep! Thanks there mate!

btw, is taking creatine and glutamine with whey is strictly for people who are gaining weight? So it is a totally no-no for my weight loss and muscle building plan?

This post has been edited by Cotton Diesel: May 20 2010, 06:25 PM

??? really, but i lose weight wor... HOW ??

thats why la. im confuse here. anyone mind to enlighten us?

i gained 2kg on loading phase, and i lost the 2kg after 2 weeks.

so for me, no no or big yes for the creatine and glutamine?

You can consume glutamine that's not a problem and if you wish to gain some additional strength and even faster the recovery process add in creatine. The not so good part of creatine towards large people, it will retain water and will make you look puffy.. Its your choice

i read an article in bodybuilding.com stating glutamine is only best used during cutting phase to protect your body from losing muscle mass.
and is not required when bulking because your body has tons of it.

here's the link
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catamino.htm

sigh !!!.. Easy way you try it first, if you believe that your recovery time is faster than consuming glutamine than don't buy it, simple rite

This post has been edited by Kmaru: May 21 2010, 03:15 PM

Hey guys. I'm currently taking ON 100% Whey and an ON Pure Mass gainer, was wondering which one would be better to take post workout and in the mornings after breakfast. Are there any differences?

Any insight would be much appreciated. Thanks.

I mix whey and weight gainer for both the period.

Oh, okay. Kinda traumatized about mixing the weight gainer, the other day I mixed it with too little milk, had to visit the toilet every few minutes. -.-