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arekey
post Oct 18 2009, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(FedUp @ Oct 18 2009, 01:24 AM)
Male , 180cm , 73kg

Just finish my 1st protien(syntha6) looking for other protien brands with low fat content , current brands in mind freak fix, gold standard , nitro-tech hardcore. Any suggestion?
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Why do you wanna change???
When selecting Protien, look at the blend.
the best is include all basic stack
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post Oct 19 2009, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Oct 18 2009, 07:25 PM)
What blend?
It's just whey.
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When we talking about protien shake, it's not just whey.
7 type of protien you need to know instead of whey only
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post Oct 19 2009, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(jamis @ Oct 19 2009, 01:14 PM)
Ppl are over conservative, seriously. Back in the time i first taking whey, i think i annoyed quite a numbers of ppl asking if i need to take iso whey or concentrated whey. Some saying the normal whey consist of the mixture of both with concentrated whey dominant. So i was so anxious that the BV is not high enough for my post workout and ask all sort of stupid question. But end up with small muscle still. Sometime we seems to over focus on supplement as a magical stuff in bodybuilding, is actually wat we need to concern more is our 5-6meals of diet.

Dun get fool into those marketing, we know they r good in talking.
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I also hate people when they are so advance in BB like to trash people asking about protien shake like this.

why don't you start another thred discussion you opinion rather that messing around people asking about protien??

He wanna know about protien shake/power not diet, marketing, whey bla bla bla.

learn to stick with the topic

of course there are marketing hype out there, that why he ask here in this forum what protien he should buy instead of listening to the marketing hype.


Added on October 19, 2009, 1:26 pm
QUOTE(diablokun @ Oct 19 2009, 12:44 PM)
when you don't even care what you put inside your mouth, i dont think that would be important...not need to go into details unless you're totally hardcore and taking protein with insane training...

whey is whey...protein is protein...if ppl wanted that bad, just let them buy it...cheapest, most expensive is not the issue...not need to try it all before you can make decisions...learn from other ppls experience...ppl have testified this brand is good, so just go for it lor...

again, i would recommend Optimum Nutritions 100% Gold Standard Whey and Scivation Xtend...based on my experience and others....
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I Would Suggest PRO COMPLEX

This post has been edited by arekey: Oct 19 2009, 01:26 PM
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post Oct 19 2009, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(jamis @ Oct 19 2009, 04:20 PM)
Again, i dont see a moderator on ur avatar or anyway, sorry i cant comply wat u command me to do.
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No problem coz you're pathetic. It's what makes you interesting
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post Oct 19 2009, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(pedro @ Oct 19 2009, 05:31 PM)
I won't be as lowly as you to start personal insults but i wanna know the reasons why you chose Pro Complex specially??Why not simply 100% gold whey?
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Sorry, does mean to insult. sometimes these people anoying.

100% gold whey is work too. Pro complex even better coz have blend of protien.
Pro complex has whey and Egg albumen. means have multiple source of protien. plus high in amino.

Even wonder why BB have egg on thier diet?
Based on my experience, protien powder with egg ablumen work faster like weider megamass

This post has been edited by arekey: Oct 19 2009, 04:59 PM
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post Oct 20 2009, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(pedro @ Oct 19 2009, 06:10 PM)
Bro,am willing to explain a bit this time!

We prefer to get normal whey as its cheaper!

Why?

As you said egg is important,am a heavy egg eater and i know that,means that we already have egg in our diet.

Essential amino acids are obtained from our diet and the non-essential ones the body can manufacture.

Most of the regulars here already know this so why spend more on supplements??

Spend the extra money on natural food will be better!

Megamass has too much carbs and not enough protein per scoop!
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Yeah thats the point. normal people like me do not eat egg regular or heavy like you do.

that's why 100% whey is perfectly fit for you and other that have egg on their diet.

But me?? need pro complex to match your diet.
The technical behind the pro complex is by combining these protien (whey+egg) is to maximize the uptake of these amino acids and minimize the premature breakdown of amino acid cause by too rapid absorbtion.

why i spend more money on pro complex is because i'm not heavy egg eater while you can spend you save at egg.

Pro complex is for post workout to accelerate recovery. megamass is for pre workout to add some energy.

it's true megamass has low on protien, but you can get extra protien from your diet.


Added on October 20, 2009, 8:34 am
QUOTE(John91 @ Oct 19 2009, 08:53 PM)
If Pro Complex works wonders you could post a pic of yourself? I might give it a shot if you were huge and ripped. Otherwise my preferences would be Dymatize Elite Whey or ON, they cost the same. Or if you on tight budget then I would suggest you contact pizzaboy's supplier or 4Rings.
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I'm am junior, seniorrr.
Anything that work for you just share here so we don't have to listen to the marketing hype like nitrotech.
I'm geting advice from my trainer too.
Just wanna share the info and outcome

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post Oct 20 2009, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(D_Predator @ Oct 20 2009, 10:28 AM)
relax guys, this is just some opinions la..results vary from each other..anyway, are u an expert in nutrient arkey?..
No I'm Not.

QUOTE(D_Predator @ Oct 20 2009, 10:28 AM)
u can get the best brands or wat soever supplements u can get, but if u're real food is not quality one, i doubt u're gonna grow..hey, maybe it's just me, coz i take only protein and glutamine,but so far, my gf and frens says that i'm in better shape compare to last time, and i seriously think that it's down to my food intake..smile.gif
and don't la condemn2 ppl arkey..we're her to juz share xperience and results..juz take it as it is la..relax bro..
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Mind to share your protien and glutamin type and brand. we might try it


Added on October 20, 2009, 10:23 am
QUOTE(jamis @ Oct 20 2009, 10:48 AM)
seems like u manage to nail ur problem but u still prefer to be ignorant and drown in the mist of supplement. Smart.
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I'm not having diet like BB do. That's why i'm relying on supplement.



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post Oct 20 2009, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Oct 20 2009, 11:49 AM)
Huh?
The whole point of taking supplements like whey or egg protein powders is because we can't get enough from food sources.

You're getting the whole concept backwards: you are taking the supplements as the main protein source, and using food to supplement your 'supplements'. rclxub.gif

BTW, your body doesn't break down amino acids into nothing. It breaks down protein INTO amino acids (AA), then absorbs the AA.

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Is the rate of protein absorption really that important?
Anyone care to give their opinions? I don't really know because I've never bothered with it.
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No i don't. Food still main source protien. just don't like eating boil egg and eat 6 times a day. Only i eat a lot of chiken.

That why i'm choosing Protien supplement which contain egg ablument profile.

Pro complex now suit to my profile and i've done my research. It's work but pricey.

If i'm eating egg, 100% whey just enough.


Added on October 20, 2009, 1:32 pm
QUOTE(D_Predator @ Oct 20 2009, 01:13 PM)
i use the syntha 6 on my off days,which i drink it before i go to sleep..and on training days i use Ultimate Nutrition..Glutamine, jz a normal one..the EGO brand..last time use ultimate nutrition. icon_idea.gif

btw bro, it's not about having a bb diet la..u can search and google on how to get a body like say Arnold, Hugh Jackman, Bradd pitt..there they share all info from diet to training..sure can get one..if not 100%, at least almost similar consider ok la.. smile.gif
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wow 2 brand of protien.
syntha 6 also have egg ablumin. that makes the product work i think (Based on my experience).
from what i read from the user, the flavor is delicios. rite?

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post Oct 20 2009, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Oct 20 2009, 04:20 PM)
The difference of isolate and concentrate is the pureness of the whey in the raw material.
Isolates (of any protein e.g. whey, soy, egg) is more pure. Up to 97% (if I'm not mistaken).
Concentrates are lower in purity. That means the raw material contains 85-90% of whey/soy/egg/etc.

Manufacturers (ON, BSN, Muscletech, Amway, Nutrilite, etc) buy these WPI or WPC... then add in colourings, flavourings, carbs, etc.
Then *poof*, you've got your product.

It doesn't matter WPI or WPC they use. It's the protein content which matters.
If a brand uses WPC but adds very little crap, you'll still get a good product with high protein %.
If another brand uses WPI, but adds a tonne of carbs (which is dirt cheap), ash etc. Then you get lower protein %. <-- not so value for money.

Probably the the artificial sweetener in ON Whey is causing the thirst.
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Just wanna add, different protein sources have distinct amino acid profiles and utilization rates


Added on October 20, 2009, 4:08 pm
QUOTE(kianweic @ Oct 20 2009, 04:57 PM)
I tried ON's Pro Complex (due to the fact it was on a discount, if I remembered correctly), didn't really get any significant difference in terms of recovery and slower digestion of protein and so on, was hungry in a short while after taking it anyways.

Except it tasted better than the ON gold standard whey.
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This protien shake will open up your appetite.It's normal
So after Pro Complex fail. did you switch to another brand/type??
Pls Share your experience especially Protien that work for you.

This post has been edited by arekey: Oct 20 2009, 04:10 PM
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post Oct 21 2009, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(4Rings @ Oct 20 2009, 10:55 PM)
The isolate has more protein than concentrate. That's all. Isolate doesn't give you better results. Concentrate has better nutrition value while isolate has higher protein %.
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How about another protien source compare to whey??
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post Oct 21 2009, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(D_Predator @ Oct 21 2009, 01:39 PM)
ok, sorry mate..tot u were pissed coz i asked a lot of questions..tongue.gif
btw, do u think someone with an endomorph body can get lean very easy?hmm..to be honest, my frens says dat my 4 pack is getting visible..so, how do we actually do with the last one?is it potong air like some say?or diet sumore?my diet,well, 70-80% clean..juz wanna try only to get the 6 pack..if cannot it's ok.. thumbup.gif still happy..
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perhaps cutting your calories, fatburner, hydrocut.
Flaxseed oil can tap to your bodyfat and turn it into energy. give it a try

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post Oct 22 2009, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(FedUp @ Oct 18 2009, 01:24 AM)
Male , 180cm , 73kg

Just finish my 1st protien(syntha6) looking for other protien brands with low fat content , current brands in mind freak fix, gold standard , nitro-tech hardcore. Any suggestion?
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Conclusion is go for 100% gold standard whey.
Just to add a note:
For many years, egg protein was considered the best source. It is still the best natural source. It has a complete protein profile and is easily digested and absorbed.

Why Use Bodybuilding Supplements?
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post May 20 2010, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(david890701 @ May 15 2010, 12:32 PM)
Are you sent here to promote ON 100% by ON? How much they paid you for this job? Can i apply for the job too?

Anyway, you're one of those guys who always over-complicate things. Protein is protein, be it iso or concentrate. Eggs or beef or chicken or whey or shit. They're all protein.

What you need to follow is, eat up to 1-1.5g per bodyweight in lb. U need to eat that much of protein, regardless of where it came from.

You see, if you dont eat enough protein, and all you do is to talk-shit about this is more efficient and that is more effiecnt, eggs albumin bla bla bla , ON OFF 1000% whey. Given the most expensive whey in the world, u dont grow. Why? because u dont eat enough.

Who would u bet on?

On your left : A guy who lectures on protein but take 50g of protein per day?
On your right: A guy who eat 200-250g of protein per day and train like hell , and know nuts about protein ?
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current brands in mind freak fix, gold standard , nitro-tech hardcore
i just answer the question

pls feel free to support nitrotech. i won't flame you.

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post Jun 13 2010, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(-Nos- @ Jun 13 2010, 07:08 PM)
i dont take milk.
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MyoFusion Vanilla is a great choice
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post Jun 14 2010, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(ecVk @ Jun 13 2010, 11:49 PM)
Have you tried chocolate? Im taking vanilla now but its too sweet for me.
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I've try real mass chocolate. did like the taste. Really like chocolate ice-cream
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post Jun 25 2010, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(MelForC3 @ Jun 25 2010, 04:31 PM)
haha i was reading the first few post..it looks like have some misunderstanding there but i didnt read the back yet because stil in office lol..boss was looking =="

Hm...i plan to buy on nitrotech because when i consulted a few person they said is a very popular choice right now. Before this i was taking 100% whey but the effect doesnt seems to be visible perhaps my workout not too frequent enough.

But thanks for the information, i'll try one then wait for the result he3..
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It's because of marketing.
BTW how the person that consult you look like?? Bigger than DL??
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post Jun 29 2010, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Jun 26 2010, 05:18 PM)
natural food is the best as the quality of the protein comes is much better than the syntetic,
Probs about muscletech is their price, because of their clinical studies etc.

i'm using muscletech, the latest one seems quite worth it,
big diff then using normal protein.no kidding.
and the flavor..... oh my.... my cookies and cream... with real oreo bits..... oh my... im going to take another 2 scoop now.

Here is what something i read some month back, thought might be good to share it with u all since we talk about protein powders.

We must be ever vigilant that we are combining whole foods with our protein powders and high calorie powder mixtures...the reason for this is simple the nutrients in your shake have a higher probability of being utilized if those nutrients are introduced into your system calorically bound to whole foods - foods which your systems are and have been accustomed to utilizing since the day of your birth. I have experimented with plain powders; and with nutrient/shake mixtures to find that my digestive processes and overall gains were significantly better with the whole food option.

Offseason caloric consumption must be considered within the context of the proper utilization of offseason supplementation; and that consideration must be centered around whole food options combined with a solid nutritional additive...

This has been a cardinal rung in my training and physical careers. I hope this helps; good luck.

MACHINE
i've tried and it works.
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Bro, IMO you can't compare nitrotech with normal Whey.
It's Different
You should compare it with On Pro Complex, UN Lava
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post Jun 30 2010, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(ReonLim83 @ Jun 30 2010, 10:25 AM)
Sorry, i have to add up when i see this.
I take my protein shake with eggs, tak peduli setengah masak, or boiled or sunny side up, i can gurantee you, its better than Pro Complex.
If you wanna take multiple source of whey, why not u take quarter scoop wpc quarter scoop wpi, quater scoop milk quater scoop egg protein, more source.

everything works differently, and what matter the most is whether you body could utilize all of this protein intake or not.
quite pointless if you have small muscle and your taking 20-30 diff source of protein and it all turn to sh*t.
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Of course it’s better bro. Supplement it’s just for convenience sake. I don’t have ‘eating egg’ habit lol.
For the protein bled sake it’s because protein blends are generally a combination of several types of protein blends such as whey protein concentrate, whey protein isolate, egg protein, casein protein,
and soy protein. So you will receive the full spectrum
of proteins and you will receive varying rates of absorption from the different
types of protein. Using a blend will create an anabolic environment from the whey
and an anti-catabolic environment from the casein – use this kind during the Growth
and Recovery Phases.

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post Oct 19 2010, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 18 2010, 07:40 PM)
dymatize or optimum nutrition (ON) are two best price value and super famous brand
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i tot that muskeltek is the super famous brand instead. brows.gif
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post Nov 22 2010, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(ahfish7 @ Nov 22 2010, 02:50 PM)
hi all, how about Serious Mass?
by the way im 173cm, 65kg
tq
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You should buy Serious eating.

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