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post Feb 8 2017, 07:23 PM, updated 8 months ago

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Welcome to the AMD Ryzen club !


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post Feb 8 2017, 08:06 PM

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hoping the hype train is real
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better stick with intel. Amd got poor track record. processors are expensive, if buy wrong, really will regret big time
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Feb 8 2017, 08:06 PM)
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QUOTE(john123x @ Feb 8 2017, 08:11 PM)
better stick with intel. Amd got poor track record. processors are expensive, if buy wrong, really will regret big time
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Agreed. But will have to look at the GPU instead of CPU. Cause their graphic card tends to be very competitive and fits as a good rival but the CPU part looks cheap as always but not as strong as i3/i5/i7 core series.

The hyped Intel Pentium G4560 might also proved to be a strong contender as the DDR4 + Kaby Lake chipset.

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QUOTE(john123x @ Feb 8 2017, 08:11 PM)
better stick with intel. Amd got poor track record. processors are expensive, if buy wrong, really will regret big time
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AFAIK AMD processors are always cheaper than their Intel counterparts

it's only the performance that's letting them down


I really hope AMD do well with Ryzen, Intel is slowly showing it's fangs trying to milk customers since competition is basically ZERO after the Bulldozer incident

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Actually la, AMD processors has been good. The FX for example was nice, like FX-8320 and 8350.

They released the FX-8320E but it was a little late. And they've been stuck with old processor technology for years now.

Ryzen should be interesting.
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post Feb 9 2017, 02:05 AM

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With Ryzen, I believe AMD is able to make a come back, well don't have to take back a lot of share, a 10% market share is good enough for a restart.

And the customer now will have a easier understanding of Product line up, like how intel is doing, i7 high, i5 mid, i3 low. Unlike the current FX, only the enthusiast know how to really compare the product by doing full testing.

And seriously until now I still hear people telling me AMD heating issue, it's like 10 to 15 years ago wei lol. Either they messed up the installation or something wrong with the cooling method.

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er, AMD heating issue is for real if you're using the FX-9370 and FX-9590. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(terrorist @ Feb 9 2017, 02:05 AM)
And seriously until now I still hear people telling me AMD heating issue, it's like 10 to 15 years ago wei lol. Either they messed up the installation or something wrong with the cooling method.
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AMD from Phenom to FX certainly still ran hotter than Intel. Whether or not it was an issue though is probably down to personal use.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 9 2017, 02:43 AM)
er, AMD heating issue is for real if you're using the FX-9370 and FX-9590. biggrin.gif
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Yes. But in the market. I don think it's easy to even find 9xxx series hahaha.
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QUOTE(ChairmanDrew @ Feb 9 2017, 07:50 AM)
AMD from Phenom to FX certainly still ran hotter than Intel. Whether or not it was an issue though is probably down to personal use.
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Intel good for CPU as general people would have said. But GPU/CPU wise can go either AMD / NVIDIA ways.
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That Ryzen 8C/16T part will be really interesting if they really price it below $400 USD. That's half the price of Intel HEDT.

QUOTE(terrorist @ Feb 9 2017, 02:05 AM)
And seriously until now I still hear people telling me AMD heating issue, it's like 10 to 15 years ago wei lol. Either they messed up the installation or something wrong with the cooling method.
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Maybe messed up installation. I have a friend who actually bought a portable aircond to cool his AMD pc when he's gaming to be stable. Turns out someone overvolt his PC during the set-up and the PC becomes stable again just by setting the voltage correctly.


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QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Feb 9 2017, 05:33 PM)
That Ryzen 8C/16T part will be really interesting if they really price it below $400 USD. That's half the price of Intel HEDT.
Maybe messed up installation. I have a friend who actually bought a portable aircond to cool his AMD pc when he's gaming to be stable. Turns out someone overvolt his PC during the set-up and the PC becomes stable again just by setting the voltage correctly.
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http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-lineup-prici...-cores-low-320/



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looking forward for Ryzen. Here is to hoping we can get the best bang for buck CPU at around RM600 that OCs well on the B350 platform
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QUOTE(area61 @ Feb 9 2017, 11:02 PM)
looking forward for Ryzen. Here is to hoping we can get the best bang for buck CPU at around RM600 that OCs well on the B350 platform
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Pricing issue, AMD tend to compete with the pricing, but it's not that cheap. Rather spend a couple of hundreds MYR more to get maximum performance from Intel.

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Ryzen? Risen ? Wow, a very good name... brows.gif notworthy.gif
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AM3 user sini....cant wait for the long overdue upgrade
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QUOTE(Vigilant @ Feb 9 2017, 11:09 PM)
Pricing issue, AMD tend to compete with the pricing, but it's not that cheap. Rather spend a couple of hundreds MYR more to get maximum performance from Intel.
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dear ketum bro

AMD is always about value for money and performance of coz is far cry if you compare it with intel.

no matter how AMD still have upper hand in pricing and performance is targeted at every segment of intel, in this ryzen

so...go topup yours


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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Feb 11 2017, 09:39 PM)
AMD is always about value for money and performance of coz is far cry if you compare it with intel.

no matter how AMD still have upper hand in pricing and performance is targeted at every segment of intel, in this ryzen
They used to but not for the past 2 - 3 years though.

Looking forward for them making a come back.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 11 2017, 09:41 PM)
They used to but not for the past 2 - 3 years though.

Looking forward for them making a come back.
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yes....Phenom 2 was the last hurah that doesn't really make any impact.

it just playing around with more core,higher clockspeed and cheaper pricing

despite that they still lose battle and APU shit stuff appear doh.gif
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FX-8320 / FX-8350 were good, FX-8320E was awesome but came late.

FX-9590 / FX-9370 sucks so bad I hentam them kau kau.

APU - mixed feelings, overall good stuff packed with technology but raw processing power not as good as the Intel Core i3, very hard to recommend in the end.
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First Ryzen R7 1700X benchmark: https://videocardz.com/65825/first-amd-ryze...hmarks-are-here

Brief info on test setup
CPU: R7 1700X 3.4GHZ (no turbo enabled or detected), 8c/16t
Mobo: MSI A320-based
RAM: DDR4-2400 @ 17-17-17-39


I assume the budget A320 will somehow disable turbo function or does not support XFR mode

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Feb 11 2017, 10:02 PM)
First Ryzen R7 1700X benchmark: https://videocardz.com/65825/first-amd-ryze...hmarks-are-here

Brief info on test setup
CPU: R7 1700X 3.4GHZ (no turbo enabled or detected), 8c/16t
Mobo: MSI A320-based
RAM: DDR4-2400 @ 17-17-17-39
I assume the budget A320 will somehow disable turbo function or does not support XFR mode
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Interesting fact is that it cost around USD$400 meanwhile Intel costed USD$1000 more for their best i7 core chipset. Am I right with the latest news?
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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Feb 11 2017, 09:39 PM)
dear ketum bro

AMD is always about value for money and performance of coz is far cry if you compare it with intel.

no matter how AMD still have upper hand in pricing and performance is targeted at every segment of intel, in this ryzen

so...go topup yours
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How do you compare RM900 retail price for FX9000 Bulldozer to RM1000 6600k Skylake Ivy Bridge?

http://www.techspot.com/review/1180-overwa...arks/page5.html

Intel's performance per core is way better. You can also check other CPU benchmark in gaming. AMD is still inferior to Intel for these past years. Of course they have the cheaper price, but not worth it. I used to have both systems, ended up selling away my AMD platform for Intel upgrade.

So IF Ryzen has a good price point, then AMD can compete. IF. Then again, from the leaked benchmark, Ryzen is still behind

So get your ketum's fact right first.

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QUOTE(Vigilant @ Feb 12 2017, 12:03 AM)
How do you compare RM900 retail price for FX9000 Bulldozer to RM1000 6600k Skylake Ivy Bridge?

http://www.techspot.com/review/1180-overwa...arks/page5.html

Intel's performance per core is way better. You can also check other CPU benchmark in gaming. AMD is still inferior to Intel for these past years. Of course they have the cheaper price, but not worth it. I used to have both systems, ended up selling away my AMD platform for Intel upgrade.

So IF Ryzen has a good price point, then AMD can compete. IF. Then again, from the leaked benchmark, Ryzen is still behind

So get your ketum's fact right first.
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and u take that new architecture compare it to such a old amd architecture

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also read carefully..... on my follow up post

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Feb 11 2017, 10:02 PM)
First Ryzen R7 1700X benchmark: https://videocardz.com/65825/first-amd-ryze...hmarks-are-here

Brief info on test setup
CPU: R7 1700X 3.4GHZ (no turbo enabled or detected), 8c/16t
Mobo: MSI A320-based
RAM: DDR4-2400 @ 17-17-17-39
I assume the budget A320 will somehow disable turbo function or does not support XFR mode
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Wow, I want to believe.

Zen has smaller floating point module than Intel. So inferior FP heavy computations is expected. But perfectly fine for most home users, gamers, even data centers. HPC market maybe in next Zen iteration.
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ANy proc to replace my A8 FM2?
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QUOTE(Cruxs @ Feb 12 2017, 07:34 AM)
ANy proc to replace my A8 FM2?
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Since we're talking about AM4 here, and looks like you're looking for APU replacement you might want to wait for Bristol Ridge.
I assume that the retail version will come out once official AM4 boards are released.
The APU itself already released last year but through OEM channels only (PC manufacturers).
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Damn thats a very sexy stock cooler
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And seems to be RGB ready as well
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Meanwhile in Intel..... yawn.gif
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QUOTE(area61 @ Feb 12 2017, 11:27 AM)
Damn thats a very sexy stock cooler
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And seems to be RGB ready as well
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Meanwhile in Intel..... yawn.gif
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intel stock cooler sctually do the job well
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Rumored Chinese MSRP for Ryzen
Source: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainbo..._ryzen_lineup/1

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but from this list it looks like the cheapest Ryzen cost around the same as the highest i3 SKU sweat.gif
really hope that at least there will be a sub-MYR500 cpu when it reaches our shore that is.
damn it weak ringgit!
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Feb 13 2017, 03:07 AM)
Rumored Chinese MSRP for Ryzen
Source: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainbo..._ryzen_lineup/1

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but from this list it looks like the cheapest Ryzen cost around the same as the highest i3 SKU  sweat.gif
really hope that at least there will be a sub-MYR500 cpu when it reaches our shore that is.
damn it weak ringgit!
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whats with bold lines? is it AMD contender vs Intel? or same price range? or ...
I dont speak Chinese sweat.gif
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QUOTE(iguana_dude_619 @ Feb 13 2017, 08:56 AM)
whats with bold lines? is it AMD contender vs Intel? or same price range? or ...
I dont speak Chinese  sweat.gif
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/...9/#466602404bb7
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I hope the 8 cores and 6 cores parts can OC well...
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Some of the prices weren't actualized yet but I believed that the Ryzen 3 / 5 will sell like hotcakes provided the price and value it will bring to Malaysia.

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QUOTE(sniperz @ Feb 13 2017, 04:11 PM)
Some of the prices weren't actualized yet but I believed that the Ryzen 3 / 5 will sell like hotcakes provided the price and value it will bring to Malaysia.
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They need a lower price point 4c/4t to counter the lower i3s and Pentiums
unless they're reserving that segment for the AM4 APU, but Raven Ridge is not going to arrive until the 2nd half of 2017.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Feb 14 2017, 12:34 AM)
They need a lower price point 4c/4t to counter the lower i3s and Pentiums
unless they're reserving that segment for the AM4 APU, but Raven Ridge is not going to arrive until the 2nd half of 2017.
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I believed the recent AMD Ryzen 5 is enough to convince me to resell my Intel i5 CPU altogether to rebuild a new one. Let's see how long it takes to arrive to Malaysia.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3dmark-bench...ntels-i7-6950x/

It's just amazing. Considering AMD Ryzen 5 1400X for the least.

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Seems promising looking at the above links. But still, gotta wait till the actual products and reviews are out.

Intel needs a competition, way long overdue.
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QUOTE(khelben @ Feb 14 2017, 03:43 PM)
Seems promising looking at the above links. But still, gotta wait till the actual products and reviews are out.

Intel needs a competition, way long overdue.
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QUOTE(sniperz @ Feb 14 2017, 10:27 AM)
I believed the recent AMD Ryzen 5 is enough to convince me to resell my Intel i5 CPU altogether to rebuild a new one. Let's see how long it takes to arrive to Malaysia.
From what I heard so far, Ryzen 7 is set to arrive first. Ryzen 5 and 3 later on.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 14 2017, 07:03 PM)
From what I heard so far, Ryzen 7 is set to arrive first. Ryzen 5 and 3 later on.
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any idea when reviewers will get their sample?
And is March 2 confirmed launch?
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1. I have no details on when reviewers get their samples.
2. No details on launch date yet.

However, do leave all your questions here la. At least I know what to prepare for my Ryzen video. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 14 2017, 11:28 PM)
1. I have no details on when reviewers get their samples.
2. No details on launch date yet.

However, do leave all your questions here la. At least I know what to prepare for my Ryzen video. biggrin.gif

*No, I don't have it yet but the products are bound to be released and I'll get a copy sooner or later.*
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Reviews for AMD’s next generation Ryzen CPUs will go live on February 28th, currently in the process of seeding review samples to testers across the globe.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-reviews-live...eiving-samples/
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QUOTE(area61 @ Feb 14 2017, 11:03 PM)
any idea when reviewers will get their sample?
And is March 2 confirmed launch?
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Well it's confirmed by AMD CEO that the launch date is early March, but she did not mention which day brows.gif

Now, they should be busy with their launching la. since they have less than 2 weeks to prepare already, lets wait for the good news.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 14 2017, 11:28 PM)
1. I have no details on when reviewers get their samples.
2. No details on launch date yet.

However, do leave all your questions here la. At least I know what to prepare for my Ryzen video. biggrin.gif

*No, I don't have it yet but the products are bound to be released and I'll get a copy sooner or later.*
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If I'm the type of user that dun like to OC, just wanted a good performance CPU out of the box, is Ryzen a good buy? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(charade_guy @ Feb 15 2017, 10:37 AM)
If I'm the type of user that dun like to OC, just wanted a good performance CPU out of the box, is Ryzen a good buy?  hmm.gif
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Best to wait for benchmarks now sir. And make sure you don't just follow one source of benchmark to make informed decision.

If you can't wait, the performance from Intel is still pretty good.

AMD is going to probably match the performance at a lower price.
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from the leaks.....i guess i can only afford R3 sad.gif
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Planning to get this to replace my aging AMD Phenom II X6 1090T, not sure if worth it or not haha
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well, just hoping the R5 will have not much of differences in terms of performance to Intel, but sell at lower prices, haha
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can't wait to see the Intel Core i7-7740K and Core i5-7640K (if it does exist) icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(MagnificM @ Feb 15 2017, 05:42 PM)
well, just hoping the R5 will have not much of differences in terms of performance to Intel, but sell at lower prices, haha
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Below RM699, I'll get any Ryzen 3 or 5 series. wub.gif
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I am really looking forward for the R7 1700x.. based on the recent price shown I guess should be around 1.2-1.5k RM... mahal jugak..

wondering which board to buy best... either the B350 or the X370.. cause according to articles that I read, both also can overclock just that the latter board has more ports and some additional ports support (m2. and etc).. or did I get this wrong? mind sharing your thoughts?
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Initially wanting to change to intel i5 kabylake but seeing as ryzen launching soon, might as well wait for it. Was wondering, amd processor usually have higher tdp compared to intel? my phenom ii x6 produce so much heat. hopefully this ryzen will have the same or lower tdp then might seriously stick back to amd.
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QUOTE(seichirosano @ Feb 17 2017, 10:04 AM)
Initially wanting to change to intel i5 kabylake but seeing as ryzen launching soon, might as well wait for it. Was wondering, amd processor usually have higher tdp compared to intel? my phenom ii x6 produce so much heat. hopefully this ryzen will have the same or lower tdp then might seriously stick back to amd.
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It shows that their TDP is now below 90W with the cheap one having around 65W, sir.
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It shows that their TDP is now below 90W with the cheap one having around 65W, sir.
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im sold, if tdp is lower / same as i5 kaby, and performance same. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Feb 17 2017, 09:28 AM)
I am really looking forward for the R7 1700x.. based on the recent price shown I guess should be around 1.2-1.5k RM... mahal jugak..

wondering which board to buy best... either the B350 or the X370.. cause according to articles that I read, both also can overclock just that the latter board has more ports and some additional ports support (m2. and etc).. or did I get this wrong? mind sharing your thoughts?
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Where you saw pricing RM1.2-1.5k ? tongue.gif , i search online saw ppl leak retail pricing USD399, with current usd rate 4.46, at least pun RM1800 n above.

for Mobo, i think still need to test out first, it might affect some performance, we don know right. I think many more review will pop up soon, let's see biggrin.gif

QUOTE(seichirosano @ Feb 17 2017, 02:54 PM)
im sold, if tdp is lower / same as i5 kaby, and performance same.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(terrorist @ Feb 17 2017, 03:26 PM)
Where you saw pricing RM1.2-1.5k ?  tongue.gif , i search online saw ppl leak retail pricing USD399, with current usd rate 4.46, at least pun RM1800 n above.

for Mobo, i think still need to test out first, it might affect some performance, we don know right. I think many more review will pop up soon, let's see  biggrin.gif
blame crappy MYR exchange bangwall.gif

I think if dual graphics is not needed, B350 boards should be equally as great as long as quality components are used.
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QUOTE(wira_laju @ Feb 17 2017, 08:17 PM)
All Ryzen is unlock?
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http://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-ryzen-cpu...d-overclocking/


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I do hope that Ryzen in MY are not getting jack up prices during launching periods.

Everytimes when there is a hyped product appeared, that product price is going to jack up... e.g PS4 pro, Nintendo Switch, newer Iphone (non MY official), & etc.

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Feb 17 2017, 08:28 PM)
I hope that Ryzen in MY are getting jack up prices during launching periods.

Everytimes when there is a hyped product appeared, that product price is going to jack up... e.g PS4 pro, Nintendo Switch, newer Iphone (non MY official), & etc.
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Despite the hype though... AMD Ryzen forgot to compete in the G series Pentium category. Probably might lose a lot of sales if I see it that way. Everyone who wants Ryzen would rather go G series Intel (4560 , 4600 , 4620) and that is why Intel wasn't so challenged by it or rather.
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QUOTE(sniperz @ Feb 17 2017, 08:31 PM)
Despite the hype though... AMD Ryzen forgot to compete in the G series Pentium category. Probably might lose a lot of sales if I see it that way. Everyone who wants Ryzen would rather go G series Intel (4560 , 4600 , 4620) and that is why Intel wasn't so challenged by it or rather.
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I think AMD might use its incoming Zen APU to tackle Intel G series of products.
Imagine polaris GPU embedded with Zen CPU... wishful thinking heheheeheh brows.gif

I forgot that Ryzen will have 3 series of product. (3, 5, 7) just like the Intel Core I series.
Here is the leak:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-cpu-benchmark-leak/

Original source is from china... that thread is deleted.



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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Feb 17 2017, 08:59 PM)
I think AMD might use its incoming Zen APU to tackle Intel G series of products.
Imagine polaris GPU embedded with Zen CPU... wishful thinking heheheeheh  brows.gif

I forgot that Ryzen will have 3 series of product. (3, 5, 7) just like the Intel Core I series.
Here is the leak:

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-cpu-benchmark-leak/

Original source is from china... that thread is deleted.
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I was hoping to go for Ryzen but if it's above the budget of mine, going for the Pentium G is actually in the mind (many might have forgotten, it was released this year!). Intel isn't going to lose this war actually like what they always say.

Maybe for the i5 to i7 parts, they shall lose for those wanting to spend RM5xxx to RM10xxx, feel free to vouch Ryzen then. innocent.gif
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I dont think Intel will lose to AMD anytime soon. They're too embedded in the industry for now, and have been known to illegally force OEMs to use their processors instead of AMD. they have the cash to do it, too.
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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Feb 18 2017, 08:40 PM)
I dont think Intel will lose to AMD anytime soon. They're too embedded in the industry for now, and have been known to illegally force OEMs to use their processors instead of AMD. they have the cash to do it, too.
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Now its good that AMD come out with something to compete them abit. End user will have benefits in term is more competitive pricing n better performance for both brands.
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QUOTE(sniperz @ Feb 17 2017, 08:31 PM)
Despite the hype though... AMD Ryzen forgot to compete in the G series Pentium category. Probably might lose a lot of sales if I see it that way. Everyone who wants Ryzen would rather go G series Intel (4560 , 4600 , 4620) and that is why Intel wasn't so challenged by it or rather.
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Ryzen dont hv integrated GPU.Ryzen is meant to be enthusiast platform. Majority of us has dicrete GPU. Low end should include iGPU, therefore its the job of the APU to compete with the pentium and celeron.
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QUOTE(abu.shofwan @ Feb 18 2017, 08:40 PM)
I dont think Intel will lose to AMD anytime soon. They're too embedded in the industry for now, and have been known to illegally force OEMs to use their processors instead of AMD. they have the cash to do it, too.
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It depends on which segment. Enterprise market, no way amd can defeat intel at least 10 years. The Xeon server and workstation market is more than 90% dominated by intel. Most corporate sector only change server once every 7 years. Maybe longer but no less than tht.

Enthusiast market maybe amd can claw back some market share if performance is great and sell at an irresistable price. This group of ppl are not many though. No volume.

Corporate desktops make up for majority of the cpu sales. Sadly though, AMD Ryzen is out of place here. No integrated GPU no talk. This is Intel territory althogh OEM like Dell and HP do sell AMD desktops though no takers from the corporate world. Every industry player only buy Intel. AMD needs invest heavily on marketting here in order to gain market share
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Ryzen dont hv integrated GPU.Ryzen is meant to be enthusiast platform. Majority of us has dicrete GPU.  Low end should include iGPU, therefore its the job of the APU to compete with the pentium and celeron.
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They need something to compete with atoms too, IMO. There is quite a variety of form factors that use atoms. I would love to see a competitor for the intel compute stick from Amd. Also, Netbook may be dead, but it's successor lives on and people do buy them (though in less volume, admittedly). If AMD can get it to work on android, then alk the better, opportunity wise as it opens up a new market.
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AMD is not yet competing in the Pentium/Celeron class probably because it's an entry level segment which is a small market and low profit. They better target enthusiasts who build their own systems, or performance PC system builders.

Nobody really buy ready made PC with low spec these days, which confirmed by huge decrease in PC shipment since the past year or so. Pre-built PC market is taken over by laptops as well as mobile devices.

Besides AMD still has old APUs and FX CPU in their inventory that still needs to move out first. Expect more price cuts when Ryzen starts shipping out.
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I think Intel doesn't really care even if they end up losing the market in normal consumer like us, since they already move on to mainly focus on the cloud computing.

Intel can price that much cuz they just don't give a shit at all.. tongue.gif

Anyhow, looking forward for upcoming Ryzen. Seems very promising.

On the other, Vega may still need some time to actually compete with Nvidia GTX1080 or Titan if it comes to high-end spec. As far as I heard, GTX1080 is too good to be handled by current high-end CPUs sweat.gif IMO though

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Kw4XFXB30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka5qkj_xycY

More information for Ryzen.

Seems verrrrrrry promising biggrin.gif
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hopefully new ryzen performance similar performance to i7 counterparts, but sell at i3 price, this is a big win to consumers.
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QUOTE(seichirosano @ Feb 20 2017, 05:08 PM)
holy, that day draws near and im so excited! maybe its not time to switch to intel.
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that is 1 toasty processor you are having there laugh.gif

im holding my gun now....gonna pull the trigger on the 1400x
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that is 1 toasty processor you are having there laugh.gif

im holding my gun now....gonna pull the trigger on the 1400x
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Same! 1400x, higher ghz with less core count. doesn't really need 6 core for gaming.
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QUOTE(seichirosano @ Feb 20 2017, 07:49 PM)
Same! 1400x, higher ghz with less core count. doesn't really need 6 core for gaming.
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the 1400x has 4core 8 threads that is the sole reason im going for that

since u say less core count....might as well go for 1300?

1 thing shall take note is....model number with X on it has XFR, extended frequency range which can boost way higher than designed boost clock if temperature allow brows.gif drool.gif
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QUOTE(seichirosano @ Feb 20 2017, 07:49 PM)
Same! 1400x, higher ghz with less core count. doesn't really need 6 core for gaming.
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It still matters unless you gonna ignore high end graphic cards.
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Intel is not going to lose the battle. rolleyes.gif
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Here is another benchmark leak from ryzen :

https://videocardz.com/66182/amd-radeon-7-1...ured-and-tested

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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Feb 20 2017, 08:00 PM)
the 1400x has 4core 8 threads that is the sole reason im going for that

since u say less core count....might as well go for 1300?

1 thing shall take note is....model number with X on it has XFR, extended frequency range which can boost way higher than designed boost clock if temperature allow  brows.gif  drool.gif
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with lesser core, the 4-cores probably will clock higher than 6 or 8 cores
unless the silicone quality is different that is biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Feb 22 2017, 12:20 PM)
with lesser core, the 4-cores probably will clock higher than 6 or 8 cores
unless the silicone quality is different that is  biggrin.gif
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Higher core count n higher clock speed miggt increase tdp.

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It is official guys! the top tier ryzen 7 is launched.
https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/02/amd-ryzen-price/

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Pricing issue, AMD tend to compete with the pricing, but it's not that cheap. Rather spend a couple of hundreds MYR more to get maximum performance from Intel.
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They got it to 5.1 GHz on all 8 cores of the 1800X at the demo with LN2.
Looks like it wont have much headroom on air or water cooling. I'm guessing should do 4.2 on air and maybe 4.5 on water..
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Waiting for Ryzen 5 price hmm.gif
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QUOTE(terrorist @ Feb 22 2017, 11:53 PM)
If this pricing is true, then my googling skills tells me we would be gouged by the balls for the 1800X.

SAD! (someone all about GREAT AGAIN once said tongue.gif )

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Are the pricelist shown above GST inclusive?
I feel kinda sick whenever hyped product in MY is going to be jack-up.

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AFAIK those are MSRP with GST included. Just don't buy from people who jack up more than that.
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damn, hopefully they will launch their r5 and r3 together with their r7. But seeing as we can only pre-order for r7 now, the chances are lower cry.gif
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If those suggested prices are msrp with gst on it. Good deal Liao.

China site pre-order for 1700x after conversion is around 2k per pop
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Waited a month for ryzen, and have been targetting the 1600X. And now they will only release the R7 processor. 😓

And for that price I might as well go for i7 7700k. Damn. I cant wait another month for the R5. Well, might just settle for intel after all.
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Feb 23 2017, 05:03 PM)
If those suggested prices are msrp with gst on it. Good deal Liao.

China site pre-order for 1700x after conversion is around 2k per pop
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QUOTE(Unleashed @ Feb 23 2017, 05:55 PM)
Waited a month for ryzen, and have been targetting the 1600X. And now they will only release the R7 processor. 😓

And for that price I might as well go for i7 7700k. Damn. I cant wait another month for the R5. Well, might just settle for intel after all.
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Err well, since you also wait for long time d, what that for another month ? 7700k (4c/8t) also not cheap wad. many benchmark show that 1700 (8c16t) @ RM1599 is better than that..haha .. let's wait for some local review for R7, by the time R5 will arrived hopefully biggrin.gif

Some info that i found.

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/02/amd-shows...half-the-price/


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Price shown is including GST, check out http://www.jayacom.com.my/amd-am4-ryzen-18...essor-pre-order
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WAHHH NICE!

so far no Mobo yet.. hmmm

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Wow US side got MSI mobo AM4 pricing d. Newegg and Scan selling d.

$109, think when come Malaysia, will cost RM5xx?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813144018

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/msi-b350-to...-31-gen1-aplusc
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Feb 23 2017, 08:10 PM)
WAHHH NICE!

so far no Mobo yet.. hmmm
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should be out soon la in Msia. since US also selling.. how to have CPU w/o mobo hahahaha  sweat.gif
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4898yuan... hmmm

https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a220m...c6f5810d262c1b4

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AMD Ryzen 7 1700X + Gigabyte AX370 GAMING 5  combo.

4898yuan... hmmm

https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a220m...c6f5810d262c1b4

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Damn la M'sia loose to taobao thesedays doh.gif

Feel like selling my intel system for AMD now.


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Damn la M'sia loose to taobao thesedays  doh.gif

Feel like selling my intel system for AMD now.
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poison success!!!... if u search deeper in taobao.. got full system at fraction of price.
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poison success!!!... if u search deeper in taobao.. got full system at fraction of price.
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Yeah but the shipping time is a test for those. And it's true China have better value and cheaper rate into selling PC's. In Malaysia, you can still build cheap rigs as many Facebook pages are promoting it.

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AMD Ryzen Hype / promotional/ marketing aside.

Issues still plague AMD with these new cpus.

So, they are targeting the Enthusiast / high-end segment/market with Ryzen 7.
But there's no REAL high-end / cool motherboards to match with these new "high-end cpus" unlike intel e.g Asus Rampage V edition 10 / Maximus 9 Formula / Aorus Gaming 9.

if i am the "Enthusiast", i will think twice on the 1800x/1700x as the mobo is also part of the package/decision. "Flagship" Asus board : Crosshair VI Hero. (that's only a mid- range mobo)

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Also, the first AMD Ryzen rig powered up last night. biggrin.gif

https://www.facebook.com/goldfries.fanpage/...25814997445010/

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Also, the first AMD Ryzen rig powered up last night. biggrin.gif

https://www.facebook.com/goldfries.fanpage/...25814997445010/

Ryzen 7 1800X is awesome!
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AMD Ryzen Hype / promotional/ marketing aside.

Issues still plague AMD with these new cpus.

So, they are targeting the Enthusiast / high-end segment/market with Ryzen 7.
But there's no REAL high-end / cool motherboards to match with these new "high-end cpus" unlike intel e.g Asus Rampage V edition 10 / Maximus 9 Formula / Aorus Gaming 9.

if i am the "Enthusiast", i will think twice on the 1800x/1700x as the mobo is also part of the package/decision. "Flagship" Asus board : Crosshair VI Hero. (that's only a mid- range mobo)
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what about the MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM AMD Ryzen AM4 ATX Motherboard and the ASRock X370 Professional Gaming, AMD X370, S AM4, DDR4, SATA3, M.2, 2-Way SLi/CrossFire, 5GbE/WiFi, USB 3.1, ATX?

QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 24 2017, 02:37 AM)
Also, the first AMD Ryzen rig powered up last night. biggrin.gif

https://www.facebook.com/goldfries.fanpage/...25814997445010/

Ryzen 7 1800X is awesome!
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seems like this 1800X is quite a hot proc idling at 70C
What temp does intel proc with the same performance idle at?

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seems like this 1800X is quite a hot proc idling at 70C
What temp does intel proc with the same performance idle at?
I found out that the board reads the CPU temp different from software.

They're very far apart. So yeah, now I'm checking with AMD on what's the temperature thing like.

Until then, I can't say which one is correct. It could be the MSI BIOS reading wrongly.

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I found out that the board reads the CPU temp different from software.

They're very far apart. So yeah, now I'm checking with AMD on what's the temperature thing like.

Until then, I can't say which one is correct. It could be the MSI BIOS reading wrongly.
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So, they are targeting the Enthusiast / high-end segment/market with Ryzen 7.
But there's no REAL high-end / cool motherboards to match with these new "high-end cpus" unlike intel e.g Asus Rampage V edition 10 / Maximus 9 Formula / Aorus Gaming 9.

if i am the "Enthusiast", i will think twice on the 1800x/1700x as the mobo is also part of the package/decision. "Flagship" Asus board : Crosshair VI Hero. (that's only a mid- range mobo)
The flaw or your thought is you're trying to apply the "Intel" side of the camp logic to AMD. You can't expect them to emulate Intel exactly, that would defeat the entire purpose of AMD's purpose.

The ZEN range CPU are fresh start build from scratch, providing awesome price to performance ratio and those board are already the flagship models.

I'll cite you from my personal setup.

I have an Intel Core i7-5960X with ASRock X99 OC Formula and that i7-5960X had to be OCed from 3Ghz to 4.3Ghz just to have a slight edge over the 1800X based on the numbers you see on slides / videos.

At this point of time, that i7 is priced $1,134.99 on Newegg. Around RM 5k if Malaysia price.
Compare that to the $499 Ryzen 7 1800X which is around RM 2.6k Malaysia price, HALF.

You can go with the cheaper boards (half the price of the top models) and still get same performance, minus the XFR boost.

And you also have to think - what's those high-end board on the Intel side for? Mainly for Overclocking.

Ryzen is not about Overclocking, it's about performance out of the box. smile.gif It can be overclocked but it's not a great overclocker.
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Wow US side got MSI mobo AM4 pricing d. Newegg and Scan selling d.

$109, think when come Malaysia, will cost RM5xx?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813144018

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/msi-b350-to...-31-gen1-aplusc
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USD x5.5 to x6 is the norm
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Why no gaming benchmarks against the 7700k or 7600k ? OCed vs OCed performance on air. That is the real deal.
For us gamers, all we care is how many fps can get with the same GPU. Cinebench means nothing to us.
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Why no gaming benchmarks against the 7700k or 7600k ? OCed vs OCed performance on air. That is the real deal.
For us gamers, all we care is how many fps can get with the same GPU. Cinebench means nothing to us.
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If not mistaken, one of a website have posted Ryzen losing in game benchmark. It could be true.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-gamin...enchmarks-leak/

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If not mistaken, one of a website have posted Ryzen losing in game benchmark. It could be true.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-gamin...enchmarks-leak/
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there is very little information on single core performance for ryzen..why are they hiding?
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Will be building a rendering rig soon, comparing this to the entry i7 I think this could be a better go.

However still waiting for reviews to come in

Would it be advisable to get it?
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http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-i7-6...ng-performance/
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In other words, Intel is smoked by AMD now. laugh.gif
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Motherboard maker ASUS reports you can use DDR4 with a frequency of up to 3200MHz if you populate just two DIMMS on a motherboard, but if you want to use all four DIMMs you can't clock the memory higher than 2400MHz.
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New BIOS is on the way, not so soon though. biggrin.gif
Anyway, RAM speed is not the important part to gain FPS.
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Why no gaming benchmarks against the 7700k or 7600k ? OCed vs OCed performance on air. That is the real deal.
For us gamers, all we care is how many fps can get with the same GPU. Cinebench means nothing to us.
Haiyoh you think whole world is about gamers meh?

I spent whole day with AMD and games is just one tiny portion of presentation.

Games benchmarks I have also, but details cannot share to you guys just yet.

What I can tell you is that even when AMD presented the details on games, they didn't say AMD beat Intel or what. They just say both perform equally well.

Refer to my video below, jump to around 14:30 mark.



They talk about games but not much, you must understand that AMD's ZEN series products here is built for the future.

For current games, I don't think you'll see any difference and from my experience assuming the IPC is now on par with Intel products, then the Ryzen will be a little behind the Core series for gaming. Not much, just slightly behind.

However as overall performaner (games and productivity) the Ryzen has the edge, what it is now is that the Ryzen opens more avenue for developers to make content that is able to utilize even more cores for better experience.

In a nutshell : Ryzen - Future.
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Haiyoh you think whole world is about gamers meh?

I spent whole day with AMD and games is just one tiny portion of presentation.

Games benchmarks I have also, but details cannot share to you guys just yet.

What I can tell you is that even when AMD presented the details on games, they didn't say AMD beat Intel or what. They just say both perform equally well.

Refer to my video below, jump to around 14:30 mark.



They talk about games but not much, you must understand that AMD's ZEN series products here is built for the future.

For current games, I don't think you'll see any difference and from my experience assuming the IPC is now on par with Intel products, then the Ryzen will be a little behind the Core series for gaming. Not much, just slightly behind.

However as overall performaner (games and productivity) the Ryzen has the edge, what it is now is that the Ryzen opens more avenue for developers to make content that is able to utilize even more cores for better experience.

In a nutshell : Ryzen - Future.
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Then wats the point of using a future cpu. Those bulldozer days are built like tht exactly. Invest heavily in multithread performance hoping the market will join the bandwagon, sacrifice single thread. It ended up being a shitty gaming cpu where a puny i3 can defeat an 8 core cpu from amd. Buying computers for 'future proof' is such bad idea to me. You should buy watever is best at that time. Ryzen is marketted as an enthusiast cpu according to the ceo

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Then wats the point of using a future cpu. Those bulldozer days are built like tht exactly. Invest heavily in multithread performance hoping the market will join the bandwagon, sacrifice single thread. It ended up being a shitty gaming cpu where a puny i3 can defeat an 8 core cpu from amd. Buying computers for 'future proof' is such bad idea to me. You should buy watever is best at that time. Ryzen is marketted as an enthusiast cpu according to the ceo
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never occur to you there are things out there are people who benefits from the multi threaded option eh?

Ryzen is obviously not marketed as "gaming CPU", its to show that the masses can now graduate from the standard 4C8T option and opt for similar to Intel's more cores HEDT perf without breaking the bank

it doesnt really matter if Ryzen loses in single threaded, what concerns everyone the most is the fact now everyone can opt for CPU with more multi threading by now
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Then wats the point of using a future cpu. Those bulldozer days are built like tht exactly. Invest heavily in multithread performance hoping the market will join the bandwagon, sacrifice single thread. It ended up being a shitty gaming cpu where a puny i3 can defeat an 8 core cpu from amd. Buying computers for 'future proof' is such bad idea to me. You should buy watever is best at that time. Ryzen is marketted as an enthusiast cpu according to the ceo
My goodness, you need to broaden your perspective on technology.

Here are some points you need to understand ..............

1. It is a CPU that's made to be able to handle stuff that's available today, and further down the road. That's what 'FUTURE' means. It enables developers to go further. What for make something to match Intel, right? Make something better.

2. Gamers are just 1 of the many target market. There's the VR industry, there's the data center industry, there's the work / rendering / computation industry. If you still don't get it, let me illustrate to you.

My Core i7-5960X Extreme Edition CPU with X99 board comes to around RM 5000 - 6000 range. My Ryzen 7 1800X with X370 board comes to only around RM 4000 but performance wise the R7 1800X out of the box out performs the 5960X by so much, the 5960X had to be OCed from 3Ghz to 4.3Ghz just to barely beat that 1800X ............ .STOCK.

Here's my video again, listen to the first 5 minutes. The key word is "high performance computing".



3. What many people don't know is how Ryzen is a totally brand new design, even to the extent that future CPU can continue using the same socket.

Please do not assume 'enthusiasts' = gamer. smile.gif Enthusiasts can be in many forms.

4. i3 can beat 8 core CPU from AMD ......... .yes but what extent? Gaming yes it can but work, not so. smile.gif
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For me I found it disheartening to see something like this :

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Both 7700k and R7 1700 is about the same price. Roughly RM1.5~RM1.6k here I believe.

By the way, since Goldfries has sampled the R7 1800x, perhaps, can we know what is the Aida64 memory benchmark like ??

I will post my lowly work rig. I know you're bind by NDA until 28th Feb, however, you just have to say, can your 1800x do better than this and what kind of RAM are you using:
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My CPU only worth RM1k. Our friend is selling here
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Feb 25 2017, 06:42 PM)
For me I found it disheartening to see something like this :

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Both 7700k and R7 1700 is about the same price. Roughly RM1.5~RM1.6k here I believe.

By the way, since Goldfries has sampled the R7 1800x, perhaps, can we know what is the Aida64 memory benchmark like ??

I will post my lowly work rig. I know you're bind by NDA until 28th Feb, however, you just have to say, can your 1800x do better than this and what kind of RAM are you using:
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My CPU only worth RM1k. Our friend is selling here
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Honestly what do you expect with the gaming benchmark?
I think even the biggest amd fan kind of expected the result.
The benchmark was kinda unfair comparing intel cpu overclocked to amd on stock speed.
The amd cpu is supposed to run as low as 3.0 ghz that is 1ghz (or more) compared to intel's clock speed, of course the game such as GTA V which is cpu intensive will be more in favour of intel since i believe you have know that game cant utilize all that cores.
However i was quite surprised that the average fps of both the amd and intel on clock speed was almost the same.
I believe even AMD does not create the r7 1700 to beat the 7700k on gaming. That is why during the amd presentation, they only compared both of the cpu in term of gaming while streaming.
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Wow this thread quite heated..

From Lisa Su's presentation, i think the Ryzen 7 family is a sort of plugging the gap between the 1150 and 2011-3 market. But the Ryzen 7 is very capable when in instances its beating the crap out of the i7 6900K at half, HALF the price.

AMD has disrupted the market now with their top end chips are way, way better price/performance compared to Intel. Taking into account of the 2011-3 expensive platform cost into account(yes it has a lot of features but are they really worth that much?) the AM4 platform looks good to go for future Zen iterations.
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Ryzen 7 has been a hot topic these 2 days, in forums and some gamers community in fb, became a war between red camp and blue camp lol. Wait for few more days for the review all over the world la, then we can really know how it really perform.

Can't imagine when Ryzen 5 launch.. another war again haha.
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Ryzen 7 has been a hot topic these 2 days, in forums and some gamers community in fb, became a war between red camp and blue camp lol. Wait for few more days for the review all over the world la, then we can really know how it really perform.

Can't imagine when Ryzen 5 launch.. another war again haha.
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U go see that those fb warriors la.. everyday start few post just to spark fire.. see also wanna laugh hahaha... I finish many popcorn d reading their comments. LoL
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fries can confirm the review kit can hit more than 2666mhz on ram?
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Feb 25 2017, 06:42 PM)
For me I found it disheartening to see something like this :

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Both 7700k and R7 1700 is about the same price. Roughly RM1.5~RM1.6k here I believe.
Eh you see the average FPS - it's just 4 frames apart, practically negligible difference.

Considering that the 1700 is 3.0Ghz vs that 4.2Ghz 7700K. smile.gif

And what's worse is that you're already disappointed looking at that single benchmark?

There's really nothing disappointing about it actually.

Many people misinterpreted the chart, as in misinterpreted it badly. The MAX and MIN are there but that doesn't mean it's sustained. You look at the average, that's the most important.

Point to ponder : Why is it that the article said that the 5Ghz 7700K widens the gap but average result is lower than 7700K on stock? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Feb 26 2017, 12:50 AM)
fries can confirm the review kit can hit more than 2666mhz on ram?
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AMD gave us 3000Mhz RAM.

I'm running at 2666.
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QUOTE(terrorist @ Feb 25 2017, 08:52 PM)
Ryzen 7 has been a hot topic these 2 days, in forums and some gamers community in fb, became a war between red camp and blue camp lol. Wait for few more days for the review all over the world la, then we can really know how it really perform.

Can't imagine when Ryzen 5 launch.. another war again haha.
War? Which group ah? Probably those nonsense group, know nothing but talk a lot and speculate based on info here info there only. tongue.gif

I'm not in those type of groups. Waste time.

Technology is here for people to embrace and appreciate, not for people to debate who is better.

If one likes to debate so much, go choose a BPL club to support. Have plenty of opportunity to debate.

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Actually the Wraith Spire cooler on Ryzen 7 1700 is not bad huh brows.gif

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Asrock mobo looks cantttteekk too biggrin.gif ..

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QUOTE(terrorist @ Feb 26 2017, 10:25 AM)
Actually the Wraith Spire cooler on Ryzen 7 1700 is not bad huh brows.gif

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Asrock mobo looks cantttteekk too biggrin.gif ..

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I'd probably wont even bother changing the cooler if I am not overclocking. If it's RGB, it must be good! LOL
And if I am not mistaken it's compatible with ASUS Aura. Not sure about other boards.

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Intel Kaby Lake and Skylake Processors "Get Massive Price Cuts"

VERDICT: those who want to get a new intel pc build shall stop immediately and wait for the price drop in MY lol

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QUOTE(terrorist @ Feb 26 2017, 10:25 AM)
Actually the Wraith Spire cooler on Ryzen 7 1700 is not bad huh brows.gif

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Asrock mobo looks cantttteekk too biggrin.gif ..

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Question is, can it keep it cooled to the point 3rd party coolers are no longer necessary? hmm.gif
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but for OC you'll definitely need a 3rd party.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Feb 26 2017, 06:59 PM)
stock coolers are always adequate for the standard spec running cpu, unless the stock fan is noisy and you're looking for something quieter

but for OC you'll definitely need a 3rd party.
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Not in the case for my 4790k with stock cooler sweat.gif

I idle at 60C, thermal throttled immediately at 100C with any cpu load (>20% cpu usage)

Replaced with noctua l9x65 cooler and no difference in load temps but better idle temps and doesnt overheat as fast

Granted im on a mitx case
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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Feb 26 2017, 06:47 PM)
Intel Kaby Lake and Skylake Processors "Get Massive Price Cuts"

VERDICT: those who want to get a new intel pc build shall stop immediately and wait for the price drop in MY lol
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Microcenter always have this "massive" discounts for their walk-in customer, it's not Intel's official price cut.
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Not in the case for my 4790k with stock cooler sweat.gif

I idle at 60C, thermal throttled immediately at 100C with any cpu load (>20% cpu usage)

Replaced with noctua l9x65 cooler and no difference in load temps but better idle temps and doesnt overheat as fast

Granted im on a mitx case
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Ryzen has lower TDP. So it should be okay for a non-X cpu biggrin.gif
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Ryzen has lower TDP. So it should be okay for a non-X cpu  biggrin.gif
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I do hope so, 4790k was rated 88W TDP

But i break past 110W on high cpu loads sweat.gif
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Ryzen has lower TDP. So it should be okay for a non-X cpu  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Feb 26 2017, 07:02 PM)
Not in the case for my 4790k with stock cooler sweat.gif

I idle at 60C, thermal throttled immediately at 100C with any cpu load (>20% cpu usage)

Replaced with noctua l9x65 cooler and no difference in load temps but better idle temps and doesnt overheat as fast

Granted im on a mitx case
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Got some issue with i7-4790K. You probably need this setting.

https://communities.intel.com/docs/DOC-23517
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No needed to get bigger PSU then... good enough for TNB bills tongue.gif
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goldfries I hope you could test out the low power state with older PSU if you still have them lying around.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Feb 26 2017, 07:26 PM)
I hope no compatibility issue with older PSU like the Haswell thingy. I'm still using my old Seasonic, not fully Haswell certified.

goldfries I hope you could test out the low power state with older PSU if you still have them lying around.
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Hmmm not sure about the PSU compatibility issue. Been absent on desktop system for about 10 years..

It's about time to get back to Desktop environment again.

PS: planned to get Ryzen 7?
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Hmmm not sure about the PSU compatibility issue. Been absent on desktop system for about 10 years..

It's about time to get back to Desktop environment again.

PS: planned to get Ryzen 7?
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Got some issue with i7-4790K. You probably need this setting.

https://communities.intel.com/docs/DOC-23517
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Yeah i noticed it was something to do with BIOS. However my partial fix wasnt tweaking the BIOS settings

I changed the windows power options. Back then i set as maximum, and apparently that caused it to be running at 4.2GHz constantly. Changing to balanced fix it to lowest clockspeed when idle, however i still get real nasty load temps
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beautiful clean and minimalist looking board
should be a nice simple and affordable gaming build i think

p/s: although i still don't like the idea of gaming board must be in red accent.
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pls let 212x compatible for free
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From the 212 series cooler... only the 212 LED Turbo compatible with AM4. Confirmed by CM.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Feb 27 2017, 09:16 AM)
From the 212 series cooler... only the 212 LED Turbo compatible with AM4. Confirmed by CM.
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So far i've heard only Asus Crosshair AM4 motherboard are the only motherboard that support old AM3 coolers.
Any other motherboard that does the same that you know?
Crosshair mobo are too expensive for me though sweat.gif
Im still using old trusty Tuniq Tower and sad that theres no AM4 bracket for it sad.gif
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So far i've heard only Asus Crosshair AM4 motherboard are the only motherboard that support old AM3 coolers.
Any other motherboard that does the same that you know?
Crosshair mobo are too expensive for me though  sweat.gif
Im still using old trusty Tuniq Tower and sad that theres no AM4 bracket for it sad.gif
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At least AMD keeps the same socket design for a long time. Unlike Intel that keeps on changing socket every 2-3 years.
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QUOTE(kundek @ Feb 27 2017, 08:50 AM)
pls let 212x compatible for free
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if im not mistaken, 212x compatible with AM4...just need to pre-order AM4 Upgrade kit
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Feb 26 2017, 06:59 PM)
but for OC you'll definitely need a 3rd party.
Depends on how far the OC is, like say the amount voltage boost. biggrin.gif And whether or not people mind the fan noise when RPM is high.

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Well for the compatibility issue for cooler. It will depends on the cooler vendor. for CM, they are ready for upgrade kits, so no problem using product for AM4.

http://www.coolermaster.com/we-are-ready-f...our-am4-socket/
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Feb 26 2017, 07:26 PM)
I hope no compatibility issue with older PSU like the Haswell thingy. I'm still using my old Seasonic, not fully Haswell certified.

goldfries I hope you could test out the low power state with older PSU if you still have them lying around.
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eh what PSU problem? smile.gif

How old a PSU do you need?

3 -4 year old enough? Like CM V700?

I don't have problem with Haswell either.
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Microcenter always have this "massive" discounts for their walk-in customer, it's not Intel's official price cut.
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eh what PSU problem? smile.gif

How old a PSU do you need?

3 -4 year old enough? Like CM V700?

I don't have problem with Haswell either.
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i have a seasonic s12II

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Is there any micro center in Malaysia ?
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hope its free
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beautiful clean and minimalist looking board
should be a nice simple and affordable gaming build i think

p/s: although i still don't like the idea of gaming board must be in red accent.
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Looks like Mini ATX board to me..

Why red? see Civic Type R also red color brows.gif
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3.0ghz processor 1.5k

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8 core ler bro.. u check Intel 8 core base spec how much riao
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Feb 27 2017, 01:08 PM)
Looks like Mini ATX board to me..

Why red? see Civic Type R also red color  brows.gif
That's Micro ATX buddy
No such thing as Mini ATX. Mini ITX ada la thumbsup.gif

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That's Micro ATX buddy
No such thing as Mini ATX. Mini ITX ada la thumbsup.gif

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It won't be free
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will Ryzen make an appearance in laptop?
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Feb 27 2017, 12:22 PM)
i have a seasonic s12II
Ehh, I have M12II. biggrin.gif Does that count?

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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Feb 27 2017, 02:51 PM)
Yup.. But probably end of this year or early next year we can see on laptop.
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boleh dah kot start saving to replace my old i5 with AMD Ryzen hmm.gif

but then again Ryzen will not supporting win7 kan?
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QUOTE(vanpersie91 @ Feb 27 2017, 02:53 PM)
boleh dah kot start saving to replace my old i5 with AMD Ryzen hmm.gif

but then again Ryzen will not supporting win7 kan?
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only Win10 for now.. unless Fries can advice further on this?
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i guess its confirmed tho. even lolyat front page pun ada publish article abt it

haih time to upgrade to win10 i guess
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QUOTE(vanpersie91 @ Feb 27 2017, 02:53 PM)
boleh dah kot start saving to replace my old i5 with AMD Ryzen hmm.gif

but then again Ryzen will not supporting win7 kan?
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Even newer Intel also supporting only Windows 10.

But it doesnt matter as i see on motherboard website, there are still windows 7 drivers though..

It is Microsoft to be blame anyway ranting.gif
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Feb 27 2017, 03:06 PM)
Even newer Intel also supporting only Windows 10.

But it doesnt matter as i see on motherboard website, there are still windows 7 drivers though..

It is Microsoft to be blame anyway  ranting.gif
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why is it microsoft's problem? You don't want or can't upgrade to Windows 10, it's not their fault. They have to keep the technology moving forward. What's the point keep on supporting old hardware or software? That will only spoil the vendors from pushing users to upgrade.

We should move forward and upgrade. Windows 10 is proven to be stable and fast. No reason not to upgrade if you are getting new hardware.
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QUOTE(shah770 @ Feb 27 2017, 11:47 AM)
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Wraith Max cooler. Damn sexy.


Intel's cooler for comparison: bangwall.gif
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Feb 27 2017, 07:41 PM)
Wraith Max cooler. Damn sexy.


Intel's cooler for comparison:  bangwall.gif
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Intel has smoked too much weed rclxub.gif
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No, Outtel never smoke weeds. Instead, they asks/pays ppl to write "proper" Ryzen review. brows.gif
Some reject the Outtel's proposal on this:

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-is-...zen-launch.html

http://wccftech.com/intel-playing-dirty-undercut-amd-ryzen/


I am sure the rest big name Hardware sites also received that "“call us before you write” memo... hahaha, Outtel is getting desperate... devil.gif




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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Feb 27 2017, 08:43 PM)
No, Outtel never smoke weeds. Instead, they asks/pays ppl to write "proper" Ryzen review.  brows.gif
Some reject the Outtel's proposal on this:

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-is-...zen-launch.html

http://wccftech.com/intel-playing-dirty-undercut-amd-ryzen/
I am sure the rest big name Hardware sites also received that "“call us before you write” memo... hahaha, Outtel is getting desperate...  devil.gif
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By slashing down price, they will need to do more job to compensate the retailers, especially those that keep many of their stocks. It's not easy for them to do that tongue.gif
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when will it be out?
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QUOTE(mirzan007 @ Feb 27 2017, 09:09 PM)
when will it be out?
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Hey, how about making a Ryzen preorder promo like happening in USA/China... can jackup price by some crook sellers.
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QUOTE(vanpersie91 @ Feb 27 2017, 02:53 PM)
boleh dah kot start saving to replace my old i5 with AMD Ryzen hmm.gif

but then again Ryzen will not supporting win7 kan?
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Yes.

Windows 7 can work but AMD will not be providing any fix aka support if it doesn't work.

But seriously, since when does processor require drivers la? smile.gif

If anything needs driver, that'll be the motherboard's component like LAN port and audio system, and USB ports.
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Feb 27 2017, 09:13 PM)
USA launch date is 2nd March... not sure in our country.
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2nd March, 10PM.
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Feb 27 2017, 09:16 PM)
Hey, how about  making a Ryzen preorder promo like happening in USA/China... can jackup price by some crook sellers.
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Malaysia got mah.. http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/ryzen-pre-order .. find those retailers doing pre-order under "Malaysia"
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already got shop selling on lelong

http://www.lelong.com.my/catalog/all/list?TheKeyword=ryzen

dota tech and e tech PC, but so far only see Asrock motherboard on listing.
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My 2011 PC which uses the Intel i5 is having problem. Was browsing the PC market looking for new intel platform then i read up about ryzen. Seems like I might be upgrading to Ryzen platform. Will wait for news later this week and see what Malaysia retailer have to offer.
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AMD Shows Ryzen Running 3400MHz DDR4 Memory On Asus Crosshair VI Hero Motherboard

AMD used two 8GB 3400MHz G.Skill DDR4 RAM modules with 18-17-17-37-1T timings for this demonstration. What’s perhaps a pleasantly surprising about this is that AMD used its entry level Ryzen 7 processor, the 1700, for the showcase rather than the higher end 1700X or 1800X models. This is AMD’s way of saying that even its slowest chip will have no problem running such high speed memory. An Asus Crosshair VI Hero motherboard was used for this demonstration.

No problem on ASUS mobo, don't worry biggrin.gif

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AMD Shows Ryzen Running 3400MHz DDR4 Memory On Asus Crosshair VI Hero Motherboard

AMD used two 8GB 3400MHz G.Skill DDR4 RAM modules with 18-17-17-37-1T timings for this demonstration.  What’s perhaps a pleasantly surprising about this is that AMD used its entry level Ryzen 7 processor, the 1700, for the showcase rather than the higher end 1700X or 1800X models. This is AMD’s way of saying that even its slowest chip will have no problem running such high speed memory. An Asus Crosshair VI Hero motherboard was used for this demonstration.

No problem on ASUS mobo, don't worry biggrin.gif

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http://wccftech.com/amd-shows-ryzen-runnin...hz-ddr4-memory/
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I'm more interested if it support 4 sticks of 3400MHz memory
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 27 2017, 09:22 PM)
2nd March, 10PM.
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Feb 28 2017, 07:11 PM)
I'm more interested if it support 4 sticks of 3400MHz memory
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I think it will, but maybe in the future with BIOS updates. But no use getting 4 sticks as Ryzen only support dual channel(like skylake) and not quad channel like Amd Naples and Intel socket 2011?
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Feb 28 2017, 07:37 PM)
I think it will, but maybe in the future with BIOS updates. But no use getting 4 sticks as Ryzen only support dual channel(like skylake) and not quad channel like Amd Naples and Intel socket 2011?
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some people just have too many sticks of ram lying around biggrin.gif 4+4+4+4 = 16GB

again, great job AMD. nice to see intel balls been shaken.

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Feb 28 2017, 07:11 PM)
I'm more interested if it support 4 sticks of 3400MHz memory
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QUOTE(chapree @ Feb 28 2017, 07:36 PM)
Bukan 11PM ke, abam?
9AM CT kan?  hmm.gif
0900 EST = 1500 CET = 10PM +8 GMT.

http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/est-to-cet-converter

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 28 2017, 11:39 PM)
0900 EST = 1500 CET = 10PM +8 GMT.

http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/est-to-cet-converter
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So, what do you think of the event?
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went to cycom digital mall yesterday. From brief chat it seems there's CPU available but as of late yesterday no info on mobo vendors on malaysia side yet. It's useless to grab Ryzen processors tomorrow when you got no mobo to run with.
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QUOTE(lchee @ Mar 1 2017, 10:55 AM)
went to cycom digital mall yesterday.  From brief chat it seems there's CPU available but as of late yesterday no info on mobo vendors on malaysia side yet.  It's useless to grab Ryzen processors tomorrow when you got no mobo to run with.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Feb 28 2017, 11:39 PM)
0900 EST = 1500 CET = 10PM +8 GMT.

http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/est-to-cet-converter
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I saw 9am Central America Time, not Eastern America Time. hmm.gif

But I don't know...maybe Tech Day attendees were given diff timing. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(chapree @ Mar 1 2017, 08:27 PM)
I saw 9am Central America Time, not Eastern America Time.  hmm.gif

But I don't know...maybe Tech Day attendees were given diff timing.  hmm.gif
I checked with AMD already, 10PM Malaysia time.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 1 2017, 09:37 PM)
I checked with AMD already, 10PM Malaysia time.
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Gaming Benchmark

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1700X vs 6800K
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QUOTE(nkl5499 @ Mar 1 2017, 11:01 PM)
Gaming Benchmark

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Im amazed that the performance is almost neck in neck with Intel i7, can't wait to build a rig with Ryzen, hopefully it is priced competitively cool2.gif
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QUOTE(MaxHW @ Mar 2 2017, 09:19 AM)
Im amazed that the performance is almost neck in neck with Intel i7, can't wait to build a rig with Ryzen, hopefully it is priced competitively cool2.gif
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QUOTE(nkl5499 @ Mar 1 2017, 11:01 PM)
Gaming Benchmark

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Well, that chart shows that the

AMD USD 399 1700X has about the same performance as the Intel USD 359 i7 6800K
AMD USD 329 1700 has about the same performance as the Intel USD 299 I7 7700K

Take note that Intel has slash price across the board on its CPU two days earlier. The new price reflected on some online sites like microcenter and Amazon already since two days ago. With the new price structure, Intel has better bang for the buck. Intel has less cores, however Intel has higher clock speed when comparing CPU at the same price range with AMD. Most gamers who just game and don't do streaming will benefit more from higher clock speed rather than having multi cores. This price war seems to be going to benefit us the consumers.
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This just showed you how much Intel had to sandbag in order for AMD to just catchup. No competition means the other just sit and milk consumer. Honestly I dont think I will upgrade my PC even if AMD caught up.
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QUOTE(nkl5499 @ Mar 1 2017, 11:01 PM)
Gaming Benchmark

1700 vs 7700K
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1700X vs 6800K
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almost there, at lesser price..why not?
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QUOTE(vanpersie91 @ Mar 2 2017, 10:15 AM)
almost there, at lesser price..why not?
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With the latest intel price cut:

Intel I7 7700K is cheaper than AMD 1700 by USD 30
Intel I7 6800K is cheaper than AMD 1700X by USD 40
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QUOTE(lchee @ Mar 2 2017, 10:20 AM)
With the latest intel price cut:

Intel I7 7700K is cheaper than AMD 1700 by USD 30
Intel I7 6800K is cheaper than AMD 1700X by USD 40
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It is already well known that if you are just purely gaming, you can go for kaby lake. But when the 4 core parts of ryzen released, it will be cheaper than kaby Lake and the performance may not too far from it and we might have to reconsider(depending on the performance)

Ryzen R7 was supposed to be fight with the 8 core counterparts which is i7 6900x
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QUOTE(lchee @ Mar 2 2017, 10:20 AM)
With the latest intel price cut:

Intel I7 7700K is cheaper than AMD 1700 by USD 30
Intel I7 6800K is cheaper than AMD 1700X by USD 40
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basically Intel tergugat and triggered now, with AMD Ryzen come into play?

oh selama ni sedap sedap perah customer with high prices...

but then again I read on Droid News, AMD 1700 and 1700X price comes with motherboard?
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Spooked or not, Intel has again been drawn into a price war with AMD - and that's a big win for consumers.


Thanks, AMD!
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QUOTE(lchee @ Mar 2 2017, 10:20 AM)
With the latest intel price cut:

Intel I7 7700K is cheaper than AMD 1700 by USD 30
Intel I7 6800K is cheaper than AMD 1700X by USD 40
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dont forget that we rarely get to enjoy the price cut made globally
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QUOTE(hilmiangah @ Mar 2 2017, 11:50 AM)
dont forget that we rarely get to enjoy the price cut made globally
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LOL. I think many people do not know how to interpret that leaked benchmark slides.

Yes leaked, not supposed to unveil until tonight but well.

Going back to what I said in the 1st line - MANY PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW HOW TO INTERPRET THAT LEAKED BENCHMARK SLIDES. smile.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 2 2017, 12:00 PM)
LOL. I think many people do not know how to interpret that leaked benchmark slides.

Yes leaked, not supposed to unveil until tonight but well.

Going back to what I said in the 1st line - MANY PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW HOW TO INTERPRET THAT LEAKED BENCHMARK SLIDES. smile.gif
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Do share your thoughts on the benchmark slides. More opinions will enlighten ppl here.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 2 2017, 12:00 PM)
LOL. I think many people do not know how to interpret that leaked benchmark slides.

Yes leaked, not supposed to unveil until tonight but well.

Going back to what I said in the 1st line - MANY PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW HOW TO INTERPRET THAT LEAKED BENCHMARK SLIDES. smile.gif
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QUOTE(lchee @ Mar 2 2017, 12:18 PM)
Do share your thoughts on the benchmark slides.  More opinions will enlighten ppl here.
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http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-deli...rly-benchmarks/
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QUOTE(lchee @ Mar 2 2017, 12:18 PM)
Do share your thoughts on the benchmark slides.  More opinions will enlighten ppl here.
Your GPU is under-performing. Is that a good sign?
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QUOTE(sniperz @ Mar 2 2017, 12:23 PM)
Based on my experience, his numbers are as what I'd expect it to be. smile.gif
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Mar 2 2017, 10:23 AM)
It is already well known that if you are just purely gaming, you can go for kaby lake. But when the 4 core parts of ryzen released, it will be cheaper than kaby Lake and the performance may not too far from it and we might have to reconsider(depending on the performance)

Ryzen R7 was supposed to be fight with the 8 core counterparts which is i7 6900x
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Some leaked shows cores can be disabled in some mobo bios. I would love to 4 active cores in 2+2 CCX combination benchmark affecting games. That would theoretically gives more headroom for overclock before reaching TDP. Plus, 16MB L3 cache in this settings might rival 7700k in single threaded test.
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Yes the cores can be disabled.
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There is Ryzen review. Retail ver not Press review sample.
(please note this site is a chinese site)

https://www.chiphell.com/article-17555-1.html

Here is the benmark result link if U want the results Ryzen 7 1800X vs 7700k & 6900k
https://www.chiphell.com/article-17555-5.html

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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Mar 2 2017, 07:15 PM)
Some leaked shows cores can be disabled in some mobo bios. I would love to 4 active cores in 2+2 CCX combination benchmark affecting games. That would theoretically gives more headroom for overclock before reaching TDP. Plus, 16MB L3 cache in this settings might rival 7700k in single threaded test.
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Good to hear that It can be disabled. But again, even if the 4c ryzen perform 90% of kaby lake at half the price, who wouldn't want? Because not all can afford that R7 tongue.gif
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After seeing all the benchmarks around the web, i can only conclude that Ryzen platform is poorly optimized. It's sad to see this as a result of Intel dominating the market for so many years and most software are optimized for Intel architecture. Nevertheless, this is a huge leap from AMD and this will definitely benefit all consumers.
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QUOTE(steven789 @ Mar 2 2017, 11:38 PM)
After seeing all the benchmarks around the web, i can only conclude that Ryzen platform is poorly optimized.  It's sad to see this as a result of Intel dominating the market for so many years and most software are optimized for Intel architecture.  Nevertheless, this is a huge leap from AMD and this will definitely benefit all consumers.
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Heavy workload favors Ryzen due to the price. Gaming still favors Intel. It may change due to PS4 and Xbox ports.

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I think it is strong enough for it's price.
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QUOTE(steven789 @ Mar 2 2017, 11:38 PM)
After seeing all the benchmarks around the web, i can only conclude that Ryzen platform is poorly optimized.  It's sad to see this as a result of Intel dominating the market for so many years and most software are optimized for Intel architecture.  Nevertheless, this is a huge leap from AMD and this will definitely benefit all consumers.
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Well, I see Zen as a whole as disruptive architecture. It's not the best gaming CPU I admit, and that's okay. Because desktop enthusiast markets are rather small. Today, mobile and server segment where the real money is. After reading this very detailed post, looks like AMD power efficiency could seriously hurt Intel. No wonder AMD could design 32C/64T server CPU within 180W TDP.

I wouldn't be surprised if next Surface Book/Pro or Macbook would be powered by AMD apu.
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Edit: never mind, found the prices as per article from goldfries;

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The current retail price for the processors are as follows
– RYZEN 7 1800X – RM 2,599 (Cooler not included)
– RYZEN 7 1700X – RM 1,899 (Cooler not included)
– RYZEN 7 1700 – RM 1,599 (Comes with Wraith Spire cooler)



Anyone has news of the retail price for these Ryzen CPUs in Malaysian market? Is it close if I estimate them to be price in USD x 5?



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All AMD Ryzen reviews

Techspot:
http://www.techspot.com/review/1345-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x/

Tom's Hardware:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ry...x-cpu,4951.html

Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11170/the-am...-1700x-and-1700

Guru3D:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-r...r-review,1.html
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Ryzen is good, but not crushing Intel like what it's hyped up to be. In fact, the best Ryzen 7 turns out to be the Ryzen 7 1700 at 65W TDP. It can be overclocked to the same clock speed as Ryzen 7 1800X and still runs cooler than 1800X. And when overclocked, it runs on par with Intel I7 7700K on all fronts and with process that utilize multi cores, the overclocked Ryzen 1700 will outperform the I7 7700K.

Between I7 6900K vs Ryzen 1800X, get the Ryzen 1800X just because the price difference is huge. But a better option is just get the Ryzen 1700 and OC it to 3.9 GHz clock speed if you really need it to be that fast.

Between I7 7700K vs Ryzen 1700, this is tough call. Price wise they are similar, performance almost similar. Should be ok if you pick either camp. AM4 can't fully utilize high speed ram now, so if you insist on running DDR4 at 3600 or higher, then maybe go with Intel (though i dont think ram frequency will have any noticeable effect in real world utilization scenario). For me, given that these two are about the same price, I am leaning towards the Intel side. More familiarity with Intel than AMD. But if AMD were to cut the 1700 price to USD 250, then Ryzen 7 1700 is the way to go.
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years ago, many would be satisfied if ryzen can reach close to haswell, but they exceeded that. Much improved power consumption. Reading the reviews and youtubes, there seems to be problem with AMD's SMT that causes performance penalties. Synthetics show ryzen do have a lot of raw power, probably poor optimization as mentioned in this thread.

Seeing the rage in reddit, it seems that people overhype themselves, thinking of a fantasy miracle from lackluster bulldozer family to outright crushing/buttkicking ryzen.

can't wait for ryzen cpu and apu in laptops in 2h 2017, planning to replace my c2d laptop.

Hope this time, laptop manufacturers put in a good ryzen chip with above-average to good specifications. As current amd laptops, either have weak cpu versions, single channel ram or low res screen.
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QUOTE(Eterman @ Mar 3 2017, 10:28 AM)
years ago, many would be satisfied if ryzen can reach close to haswell, but they exceeded that. Much improved power consumption. Reading the reviews and youtubes, there seems to be problem with AMD's SMT that causes performance penalties. Synthetics show ryzen do have a lot of raw power, probably poor optimization as mentioned in this thread.

Seeing the rage in reddit, it seems that people overhype themselves, thinking of a fantasy miracle from lackluster bulldozer family to outright crushing/buttkicking ryzen.

can't wait for ryzen cpu and apu in laptops in 2h 2017, planning to replace my c2d laptop.

Hope this time, laptop manufacturers put in a good ryzen chip with above-average to good specifications. As current amd laptops, either have weak cpu versions, single channel ram or low res screen.
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Years? try a month ago. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Mar 3 2017, 07:28 AM)
Well, I see Zen as a whole as disruptive architecture. It's not the best gaming CPU I admit, and that's okay. Because desktop enthusiast markets are rather small. Today, mobile and server segment where the real money is. After reading this very detailed post, looks like AMD power efficiency could seriously hurt Intel. No wonder AMD could design 32C/64T server CPU within 180W TDP.

I wouldn't be surprised if next Surface Book/Pro or Macbook would be powered by AMD apu.
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As always, it's about the hype.

After so many years, there's nothing much on Ryzen. Might as well reduce their pricing more to compete.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Mar 3 2017, 11:10 AM)
Years? try a month ago. laugh.gif
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tongue.gif oh really? my memory fails me then. bangwall.gif

yeah, then noticed the trend prior to launch, suddenly the hype train expectation is " it crushes/kicks kabylake" .... the human mind is really wonderful when not in checked icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Eterman @ Mar 3 2017, 11:39 AM)
tongue.gif  oh really? my memory fails me then.  bangwall.gif

yeah, then noticed the trend prior to launch, suddenly the hype train expectation is " it crushes/kicks kabylake" .... the human mind is really wonderful when not in checked  icon_idea.gif
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Already roughly know where is the performance long before review. +52% IPC out of Bulldozer is still not faster than today's Intel. Intel gains around +10% every year.
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Ryzen 1700@3.9Ghz VS i7-7700K@5Ghz Gaming Benchmark


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QUOTE(Vigilant @ Mar 3 2017, 11:22 AM)
As always, it's about the hype.

After so many years, there's nothing much on Ryzen. Might as well reduce their pricing more to compete.
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I wouldn't call Zen with terrific IPC/TDP as 'nothing much'. as I said before, today mobile and server market matters waaay more than desktop especially enthusiast.

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QUOTE(Vigilant @ Mar 3 2017, 11:22 AM)
As always, it's about the hype.

After so many years, there's nothing much on Ryzen. Might as well reduce their pricing more to compete.
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Much better to not board the hype train as always, and rather than asking AMD reducing the price, best to reduce expectation.
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Some people are still not getting the point - I am referring to both AMD and Intel camps.

7700K is an obvious winner for gaming-only cpu. Before down putting Ryzen, Intel camp also need to realize that 7700K also game better than their more expensive 6900K and 6800K. In multi-threaded applications and synthetic benchmarks, R7 matches well with Intel HEDT system, but still loose at gaming. Why? It's all about the clockspeed.

This is the day of GPU being the main performance defacto of your system and gone are the days when MMX and 3D Now were the in-thing. You need a fast enough cpu to feed data to the gpu back and forth.

In gaming, raw clockspeed still has the most advantage in today's games. Ryzen did not lose to Skylake or Kabylake because of IPC, it's because of clockspeed. The gap in clockspeed is significant that extra cores do not give much advantage to overall performance. We can see the 1080p gaming comparison video by Joker Production (Youtube) where the 1700 while utilizing all-cores, the load is very low which means the games are not taking full advantage of the extra cores (a.k.a lazy cores).

What if Ryzen has the exact same clock speed as Skylake/Kabylake? But of course it's not the current situation here because it is hard for an 8-core Ryzen to match the clock of Kaby even with watercooling. But at 3.9GHz overclock, the performance is near to Intel 5ghz. The problem now is that with its base clock, some reviewers are reporting that Ryzen has issues with boost clock. Hardware Unboxed claimed that their 1800X is somewhat stucked at 3.7GHz on his Asrock Taichi board. And I have yet seeing any reviewer that actually analyzes how the boost behavior is on Ryzen. How many active cores are at specific boost clock?

It was different with the old Bulldozer architecture when its high clockspeed was not an advantage due to the FPU resource sharing. In layman's term you can say the performance of clockspeed advantage is cut into half (not literally).

There was another argument regarding gaming resolution. In real world, those with 4K monitors and capable GPU will game at resolutions higher than just 1080p. At 4K the cpu advantage is diminished. 1080p testing is only relevant ONLY IF you want to measure the cpu performance. 7700K wins, hands down, but is it an ideal real world situation? No. If we're being practical... if you have a 4K capable system you will game at 4k, not 1080p. 1080p testing is only if you're stucked with 1080p monitor and it's capable of outputting very high refresh rate. Otherwise, it just serves another bench and bragging right. At 4K gaming and very high end GPU, even the old FX can perform as well as the newer generation CPUs.

This is just some of my thoughts at the moment, will write again later once I have more ideas.


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QUOTE(soulfly @ Mar 3 2017, 05:10 PM)
7700K is an obvious winner for gaming-only cpu. Before down putting Ryzen, Intel camp also need to realize that 7700K also game better than their more expensive 6900K and 6800K. In multi-threaded applications and synthetic benchmarks, R7 matches well with Intel HEDT system, but still loose at gaming. Why? It's all about the clockspeed.
This is correct. As what I mentioned in my article and video review.

Intel still does better in the gaming arena so if one is going in purely for gaming, Intel is the choice.

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QUOTE(Vigilant @ Mar 3 2017, 11:22 AM)
After so many years, there's nothing much on Ryzen. Might as well reduce their pricing more to compete.
Nothing much?

An RM 2,599 processor outperforms some RM 6,000 processor by ~50%.

How is that not much?

You must understand that Ryzen is a whole new architecture and as of now, it works fine for games (a little behind Intel stuff) but it benefits content creators a lot more because now the initial cost is less but you get a lot more performance.
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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Mar 3 2017, 02:35 PM)
I wouldn't call Zen with terrific IPC/TDP as 'nothing much'. as I said before, today mobile and server market matters waaay more than desktop especially enthusiast.
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btw, Ryzen is into the server market.

We're just not allow to talk about the Server part yet. smile.gif
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the Zen architecture is highly modular.
They can slap on as many CCX as they want as long as it fits the PCB laugh.gif

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QUOTE(area61 @ Mar 3 2017, 03:07 PM)
Much better to not board the hype train as always, and rather than asking AMD reducing the price, best to reduce expectation.
The hype is real actually, the performance is good as it is.

Unfortunately some parties decide to add their own hype that performance in productivity / synthetic / multi-threaded application translates to gaming performance.

LOL case.

Seriously. What we see are FPS aka frames per second.

Even if AMD did product something that is exact or better than Intel, what you see is that the FPS numbers will be same because when the processor is same they just hit GPU limitation.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 3 2017, 05:22 PM)
The hype is real actually, the performance is good as it is.

Unfortunately some parties decide to add their own hype that performance in productivity / synthetic / multi-threaded application translates to gaming performance.

LOL case.

Seriously. What we see are FPS aka frames per second.

Even if AMD did product something that is exact or better than Intel, what you see is that the FPS numbers will be same because when the processor is same they just hit GPU limitation.
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That post was sarcasm really.

These people got into they hype that you mentioned above probably due to the number of inexperienced youtubers doing CPU reviews.
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QUOTE(area61 @ Mar 3 2017, 05:33 PM)
These people got into they hype that you mentioned above probably due to the number of inexperienced youtubers doing CPU reviews.
Mentality CPU only used for gaming really  doh.gif
Tu la, average fps difference by 3 also condemn like silly.

LOL. They don't understand how average fps works.

If difference is 3 means the gaming experience difference is negligible.

Furthermore it's not on all games, so many games their benchmarks similar.

Many people very narrow minded, they thing brands like Intel and AMD release processor means for gamers.

Die lo if companies only think of gamers. biggrin.gif And another thing is people only see "Current", they don't bother to understand what the Ryzen means for "Future".

The potential is huge, and the way it's positioned it will make Intel improve too.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Mar 3 2017, 05:10 PM)
Some people are still not getting the point - I am referring to both AMD and Intel camps.

7700K is an obvious winner for gaming-only cpu. Before down putting Ryzen, Intel camp also need to realize that 7700K also game better than their more expensive 6900K and 6800K. In multi-threaded applications and synthetic benchmarks, R7 matches well with Intel HEDT system, but still loose at gaming. Why? It's all about the clockspeed.

This is the day of GPU being the main performance defacto of your system and gone are the days when MMX and 3D Now were the in-thing. You need a fast enough cpu to feed data to the gpu back and forth.

In gaming, raw clockspeed still has the most advantage in today's games. Ryzen did not lose to Skylake or Kabylake because of IPC, it's because of clockspeed. The gap in clockspeed is significant that extra cores do not give much advantage to overall performance. We can see the 1080p gaming comparison video by Joker Production (Youtube) where the 1700 while utilizing all-cores, the load is very low which means the games are not taking full advantage of the extra cores (a.k.a lazy cores).

What if Ryzen has the exact same clock speed as Skylake/Kabylake? But of course it's not the current situation here because it is hard for an 8-core Ryzen to match the clock of Kaby even with watercooling. But at 3.9GHz overclock, the performance is near to Intel 5ghz. The problem now is that with its base clock, some reviewers are reporting that Ryzen has issues with boost clock. Hardware Unboxed claimed that their 1800X is somewhat stucked at 3.7GHz on his Asrock Taichi board. And I have yet seeing any reviewer that actually analyzes how the boost behavior is on Ryzen. How many active cores are at specific boost clock?

It was different with the old Bulldozer architecture when its high clockspeed was not an advantage due to the FPU resource sharing. In layman's term you can say the performance of clockspeed advantage is cut into half (not literally).

There was another argument regarding gaming resolution. In real world, those with 4K monitors and capable GPU will game at resolutions higher than just 1080p. At 4K the cpu advantage is diminished. 1080p testing is only relevant ONLY IF you want to measure the cpu performance. 7700K wins, hands down, but is it an ideal real world situation? No. If we're being practical... if you have a 4K capable system you will game at 4k, not 1080p. 1080p testing is only if you're stucked with 1080p monitor and it's capable of outputting very high refresh rate. Otherwise, it just serves another bench and bragging right. At 4K gaming and very high end GPU, even the old FX can perform as well as the newer generation CPUs.

This is just some of my thoughts at the moment, will write again later once I have more ideas.
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And people also seem to forget x99 also had platform issues when it first launched.

PS: some of those matsalleh "youtube reviewers" should just stick to GPU benchmarking and system builds, if you get what I mean...only 2 were able to communicate and answer why there were performance anomalies.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 3 2017, 05:37 PM)
Tu la, average fps difference by 3 also condemn like silly.

LOL. They don't understand how average fps works.

If difference is 3 means the gaming experience difference is negligible.

Furthermore it's not on all games, so many games their benchmarks similar.

Many people very narrow minded, they thing brands like Intel and AMD release processor means for gamers.

Die lo if companies only think of gamers. biggrin.gif And another thing is people only see "Current", they don't bother to understand what the Ryzen means for "Future".

The potential is huge, and the way it's positioned it will make Intel improve too.
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Ive seen lisa su's presentation and no where it was emphasized Ryzen was a monster for gaming ONLY. Heck even the slide deck AMD published showed it lagged behind Kaby Lake.



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QUOTE(area61 @ Mar 3 2017, 05:41 PM)
And people also seem to forget x99 also had platform issues when it first launched.

PS: some of those matsalleh "youtube reviewers" should just stick to GPU benchmarking and system builds, if you get what I mean...only 2 were able to communicate and answer why there were performance anomalies.
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I don't mind reviewers being bias, I just can't stand those who pretend they know everything.
System building is really subjective so there's a lot of leeway between good and bad, and what to do and not to do.
But when it comes to hardware and you lack of knowledge about it, it really shows.
There are already documentations provided by AMD, and using internet there are many source of references from previous articles. They should have used that.
The lack of awareness is just irritating.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Mar 3 2017, 05:10 PM)
Some people are still not getting the point - I am referring to both AMD and Intel camps.

7700K is an obvious winner for gaming-only cpu. Before down putting Ryzen, Intel camp also need to realize that 7700K also game better than their more expensive 6900K and 6800K. In multi-threaded applications and synthetic benchmarks, R7 matches well with Intel HEDT system, but still loose at gaming. Why? It's all about the clockspeed.

This is the day of GPU being the main performance defacto of your system and gone are the days when MMX and 3D Now were the in-thing. You need a fast enough cpu to feed data to the gpu back and forth.

In gaming, raw clockspeed still has the most advantage in today's games. Ryzen did not lose to Skylake or Kabylake because of IPC, it's because of clockspeed. The gap in clockspeed is significant that extra cores do not give much advantage to overall performance. We can see the 1080p gaming comparison video by Joker Production (Youtube) where the 1700 while utilizing all-cores, the load is very low which means the games are not taking full advantage of the extra cores (a.k.a lazy cores).

What if Ryzen has the exact same clock speed as Skylake/Kabylake? But of course it's not the current situation here because it is hard for an 8-core Ryzen to match the clock of Kaby even with watercooling. But at 3.9GHz overclock, the performance is near to Intel 5ghz. The problem now is that with its base clock, some reviewers are reporting that Ryzen has issues with boost clock. Hardware Unboxed claimed that their 1800X is somewhat stucked at 3.7GHz on his Asrock Taichi board. And I have yet seeing any reviewer that actually analyzes how the boost behavior is on Ryzen. How many active cores are at specific boost clock?

It was different with the old Bulldozer architecture when its high clockspeed was not an advantage due to the FPU resource sharing. In layman's term you can say the performance of clockspeed advantage is cut into half (not literally).

There was another argument regarding gaming resolution. In real world, those with 4K monitors and capable GPU will game at resolutions higher than just 1080p. At 4K the cpu advantage is diminished. 1080p testing is only relevant ONLY IF you want to measure the cpu performance. 7700K wins, hands down, but is it an ideal real world situation? No. If we're being practical... if you have a 4K capable system you will game at 4k, not 1080p. 1080p testing is only if you're stucked with 1080p monitor and it's capable of outputting very high refresh rate. Otherwise, it just serves another bench and bragging right. At 4K gaming and very high end GPU, even the old FX can perform as well as the newer generation CPUs.

This is just some of my thoughts at the moment, will write again later once I have more ideas.
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AMD Ryzen has ECC memory support - http://www.eteknix.com/amd-ryzen-ecc-memory-support/

der8auer set new 1800X world record at 5.8ghz - http://www.eteknix.com/overclocker-der8aue...7-1800x-record/

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a reddit discussion here --- > https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5x7oaq/ryzens_memory_latency_problem_a_discussion_of/

nice discussion on the L3 and victim cache latencies that might cause gaming penalties, but i still can't understand some of it. tongue.gif



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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 3 2017, 05:18 PM)
Nothing much?

An RM 2,599 processor outperforms some RM 6,000 processor by ~50%.

How is that not much?

You must understand that Ryzen is a whole new architecture and as of now, it works fine for games (a little behind Intel stuff) but it benefits content creators a lot more because now the initial cost is less but you get a lot more performance.
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Yes, thing is consumer like me dominate the market, not content creator. I'm paying to game. So despite the benchmark shows a very large performance for content creator. That isn't what I want. What I'm expecting for is just a cheap quad core which has better single thread performance. Heck I don't even want to buy a CPU for over MYR 2k price.

Feel free to correct if I'm wrong.


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Now we just have to wait for that awesome fps game that can take advantage of 16 threads. Battlefield with 128 players... XD
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QUOTE(Vigilant @ Mar 3 2017, 11:02 PM)
Yes, thing is consumer like me dominate the market, not content creator. I'm paying to game. So despite the benchmark shows a very large performance for content creator. That isn't what I want. What I'm expecting for is just a cheap quad core which has better single thread performance. Heck I don't even want to buy a CPU for over MYR 2k price.

Feel free to correct if I'm wrong.
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Quite true.

The hype about R7 was equivalent (or better) performance than intel chips at lower price.

The 1700 vs 7700k benchmark was what most gamers were looking out for. Pricing wise not much difference, but Intel still wins here.

And i suspect those holding back few more months wanting to wait for R5 gaming results are probably going to be dissappointed too.
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QUOTE(Vigilant @ Mar 3 2017, 11:02 PM)
Yes, thing is consumer like me dominate the market, not content creator. I'm paying to game. So despite the benchmark shows a very large performance for content creator. That isn't what I want. What I'm expecting for is just a cheap quad core which has better single thread performance. Heck I don't even want to buy a CPU for over MYR 2k price.

Feel free to correct if I'm wrong.
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IMHO, since the fps is not very big. 8c/16t is more future, without any optimisation Ryzen still run as good Intel. It's just matter u want risk 3-5 fps for better future gaming.
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I just want to share the latest video from Youtube about Ryzen by Tech Deals channel. He is very informative and explain clear picture on the best deal we have with Ryzen. He said, the Intel I7 7700 no doubt the fastest currently, but in 2-3 years Ryzens you bought now will paid off. I like his honest and clear explanation unlike others reviewer who just like very narrow and easy job. link below.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Mar 3 2017, 05:10 PM)
Some people are still not getting the point - I am referring to both AMD and Intel camps.

7700K is an obvious winner for gaming-only cpu. Before down putting Ryzen, Intel camp also need to realize that 7700K also game better than their more expensive 6900K and 6800K. In multi-threaded applications and synthetic benchmarks, R7 matches well with Intel HEDT system, but still loose at gaming. Why? It's all about the clockspeed.

This is the day of GPU being the main performance defacto of your system and gone are the days when MMX and 3D Now were the in-thing. You need a fast enough cpu to feed data to the gpu back and forth.

In gaming, raw clockspeed still has the most advantage in today's games. Ryzen did not lose to Skylake or Kabylake because of IPC, it's because of clockspeed. The gap in clockspeed is significant that extra cores do not give much advantage to overall performance. We can see the 1080p gaming comparison video by Joker Production (Youtube) where the 1700 while utilizing all-cores, the load is very low which means the games are not taking full advantage of the extra cores (a.k.a lazy cores).

What if Ryzen has the exact same clock speed as Skylake/Kabylake? But of course it's not the current situation here because it is hard for an 8-core Ryzen to match the clock of Kaby even with watercooling. But at 3.9GHz overclock, the performance is near to Intel 5ghz. The problem now is that with its base clock, some reviewers are reporting that Ryzen has issues with boost clock. Hardware Unboxed claimed that their 1800X is somewhat stucked at 3.7GHz on his Asrock Taichi board. And I have yet seeing any reviewer that actually analyzes how the boost behavior is on Ryzen. How many active cores are at specific boost clock?

It was different with the old Bulldozer architecture when its high clockspeed was not an advantage due to the FPU resource sharing. In layman's term you can say the performance of clockspeed advantage is cut into half (not literally).

There was another argument regarding gaming resolution. In real world, those with 4K monitors and capable GPU will game at resolutions higher than just 1080p. At 4K the cpu advantage is diminished. 1080p testing is only relevant ONLY IF you want to measure the cpu performance. 7700K wins, hands down, but is it an ideal real world situation? No. If we're being practical... if you have a 4K capable system you will game at 4k, not 1080p. 1080p testing is only if you're stucked with 1080p monitor and it's capable of outputting very high refresh rate. Otherwise, it just serves another bench and bragging right. At 4K gaming and very high end GPU, even the old FX can perform as well as the newer generation CPUs.

This is just some of my thoughts at the moment, will write again later once I have more ideas.
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QUOTE(nkl5499 @ Mar 3 2017, 11:30 PM)
IMHO, since the fps is not very big. 8c/16t is more future, without any optimisation Ryzen still run as good Intel. It's just matter u want risk 3-5 fps for better future gaming.
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Like I said, of course it's future proof, corporate and data center servers would love them. But me as a normal consumer who spends tiny amount of money represents the largest base customer they can get. So even they have 10 cores with 20 threads won't be much for me. All I need is just cheap 4 powerful cores.

Unless if they can catch up in their next release and improve their single thread performance at lower price than Intel.

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Now we just have to wait for that awesome fps game that can take advantage of 16 threads. Battlefield with 128 players... XD
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Now that you mentioned about it, one flaw in most (if not all) BF1 testing is that they were tested on offline map. Imagine if online multiplayer with such number of players involved....
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QUOTE(Vigilant @ Mar 3 2017, 11:02 PM)
Yes, thing is consumer like me dominate the market, not content creator. I'm paying to game. So despite the benchmark shows a very large performance for content creator. That isn't what I want. What I'm expecting for is just a cheap quad core which has better single thread performance. Heck I don't even want to buy a CPU for over MYR 2k price.

Feel free to correct if I'm wrong.
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And that's the problem. You had your expectation, so it's not the product that failed you but rather you had expectations.

If you look at the presentation past to present, AMD didn't market much on the gaming aspect.

Fact remains that gamers isn't their main market, they look at overall - gamer, content creator and servers.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 4 2017, 07:50 AM)
And that's the problem. You had your expectation, so it's not the product that failed you but rather you had expectations.

If you look at the presentation past to present, AMD didn't market much on the gaming aspect.

Fact remains that gamers isn't their main market, they look at overall - gamer, content creator and servers.
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goldfries, did you pair ryzen with amd card? vortez side socre "higher" with rx 480. Lastly, disabling smt does it make a differences in testing?

https://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/amd_r..._review,19.html

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QUOTE(cj7 @ Mar 4 2017, 12:29 PM)
goldfries, did you pair ryzen with amd card? vortez side socre "higher" with rx 480. Lastly, disabling smt does it make a differences in testing?

https://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/amd_r..._review,19.html
I did but I so no point doing benchmarks on RX 470.

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I did but I so no point doing benchmarks on RX 470.
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Among the 3 Ryzen models, I can't see the point of buying the 1800x. 1700 can overclock just as high as 1800x (maybe just 100mhz lower). Same 8c 16t and same amount of cache. Perhaps AMD traditionally likes to give 'free' performance to end users, like some Phenom II that can be unlocked to gain extra cores.
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QUOTE(steven789 @ Mar 4 2017, 08:11 PM)
Among the 3 Ryzen models, I can't see the point of buying the 1800x. 1700 can overclock just as high as 1800x (maybe just 100mhz lower). Same 8c 16t and same amount of cache. Perhaps AMD traditionally likes to give 'free' performance to end users, like some Phenom II that can be unlocked to gain extra cores.
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Maybe.. But then again most consumer don't overclock.. Only certain does.
Anyway.. Anyone know when Ryzen stock is arriving here? Did any shops at lowyat or Malaysia now have ready stock for Ryzen?
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QUOTE(steven789 @ Mar 4 2017, 08:11 PM)
Among the 3 Ryzen models, I can't see the point of buying the 1800x. 1700 can overclock just as high as 1800x (maybe just 100mhz lower). Same 8c 16t and same amount of cache. Perhaps AMD traditionally likes to give 'free' performance to end users, like some Phenom II that can be unlocked to gain extra cores.
It's for content creators who don't have the luxury to overclock, after all overclocking takes time and some knowledge.

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Any idea on power consumption? from many review site, power consumption higher than advertised.
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Any idea on power consumption? from many review site, power consumption higher than advertised.
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Any idea on power consumption? from many review site, power consumption higher than advertised.
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Depend on your workload, i think the power consumption is really good for 8c/16t processors.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Mar 5 2017, 11:38 AM)
Depend on your workload, i think the power consumption is really good for 8c/16t processors.
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very impressive compare to intel counter part.

i mix up tdp with power consumption. Thought that tdp = power consumption.


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i mix up tdp with power consumption. Thought that tdp = power consumption.
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Yeah, including myself sometime. tongue.gif

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The power consumption is better than Intel 8 core parts and even 7700k in certain case which is great. But from the graph can be seen once overclocked, the power consumption shoots shocking.gif
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Mar 5 2017, 02:34 PM)
The power consumption is better than Intel 8 core parts and even 7700k in certain case which is great. But from the graph can be seen once overclocked, the power consumption shoots  shocking.gif
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The overclocking headroom for the higher-end Ryzen models is rather slim. This was expected due to the relatively high stock frequencies, high-density orientation of the design and the low power targeted manufacturing process used for the Zeppelin die (Samsung 14nm LPP).

As indicated by the Vmin-Fmax curve, Zeppelin's voltage scaling is perfectly linear until 3.3GHz (25mV per 100MHz). The first deviation ("Critical 1") from this linear behavior can be seen at 3.3GHz. The second and the final deviation ("Critical 2") can be seen at 3.5GHz. Beyond this point the voltage scaling is neither linear or recovers even temporarily, and the CPU is requiring higher voltage in increasingly larger steps to scale further.

The ideal frequency range for the process or the design (as a whole) appears to be 2.1 - 3.3GHz (25mV per 100MHz). Above this region (>= 3.3GHz) the voltage scaling gradually deteriorates to 40 - 100mV+ per 100MHz.

This means that at ~3.8GHz pushing further usually becomes extremely costly (power / thermal wise).

In comparison, the "critical" points for the two previous AMD desktop designs were at:

- Orochi Rev. C aka Vishera, 32nm SHP SOI - (1 = 4.4GHz, 2 = 4.7GHz)

- Kaveri / Godavari, 28nm "SHP" HPP Planar - (1 = 4.3GHz, 2 = 4.5GHz)

The voltage scaling indicated by the Vmin-Fmax curve (above) can be also clearly seen in the default voltages for the different frequency states (PStates) of the CPU.

On the high-end models the actual (effective) voltage for the base frequency (e.g. 3.6GHz on 1800X SKU) can be anything between 1.200 - 1.300V. Meanwhile the actual (effective) voltage for the highest single core boosted PState (XFR, e.g. 4.1GHz) can be as high as 1.47500V.

In the tested sample the actual default voltage for the base frequency (P0, 3.6GHz) was ~1.25000V, while the highest single core boost state (XFR, 4.1GHz) defaulted to 1.4625V.

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The power is better than Intel 8 core parts and even 7700k in certain case which is great. But from the graph can be seen once overclocked, the power consumption shoots  shocking.gif
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well, 8c, 10c not exactly for oc. heck even 6c. Same thing happen for intel. Highest oc headroom would be at 4c, i suspect ryzen r3 will be beast. Going by power consumption, 1700 touch only 13x watt at full load. What if number of core cut down half? it definately give more oc headroom. Technically, someone can disable 4c and try oc, although not really same. Lol

Also i hate when ppl compare to 8c and 10c core, ryzen lose in certain application and at the same time they compare 7700, ryzen lose in gaming. Then they conclude ryzen is rubbish.
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QUOTE(cj7 @ Mar 5 2017, 04:34 PM)
well, 8c, 10c not exactly for oc. heck even 6c. Same thing happen for intel. Highest oc headroom would be at 4c, i suspect ryzen r3 will be beast. Going by power consumption, 1700 touch only 13x watt at full load. What if number of core cut down half? it definately give more oc headroom. Technically, someone can disable 4c and try oc, although not really same. Lol

Also i hate when ppl compare to 8c and 10c core, ryzen lose in certain application and at the same time they compare 7700, ryzen lose in gaming. Then they conclude ryzen is rubbish.
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I think Ryzen 4c will be the same. About 4.1~4.2ghz tops .
If you look at Broadwell, it doesn't clock well too like the i7 5775C . The broadwell-E at 6 or 8 cores does not clock well neither. Most likely due to architecture or manufacturing process limit .

Since the R7 1700 can do 65W TDP on a desktop with 3ghz, I'm more interested whether can a 6 core Ryzen end up in a laptop with 45W TDP clocking about 2.4Ghz . Afterall, there is no 6 core CPU in a laptop yet. Only 4 cores for the time being. Not everyone can live with ultrabook with that measly 15W TDP CPU. Power users require 4 cores mobile CPU.

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QUOTE(cj7 @ Mar 5 2017, 04:34 PM)
well, 8c, 10c not exactly for oc. heck even 6c. Same thing happen for intel. Highest oc headroom would be at 4c, i suspect ryzen r3 will be beast. Going by power consumption, 1700 touch only 13x watt at full load. What if number of core cut down half? it definately give more oc headroom. Technically, someone can disable 4c and try oc, although not really same. Lol

Also i hate when ppl compare to 8c and 10c core, ryzen lose in certain application and at the same time they compare 7700, ryzen lose in gaming. Then they conclude ryzen is rubbish.
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Any idea on power consumption? from many review site, power consumption higher than advertised.
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I vaguely remember an old review video about fx 8350, the reviewer use kill o watt, and get about 380++W full system draw.
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QUOTE(cj7 @ Mar 5 2017, 10:04 AM)
Any idea on power consumption? from many review site, power consumption higher than advertised.
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Neither vendors advertised their max power consumption. TDP means max power dissipation in heat; and TDP will always lower than power consumption.

Most reviewers simply measure the whole system from wall using kill-a-watt which is very close to absolute value if dGPU is absent and highly efficient PSU is used. To actually measure CPU power, you need to measure currents and voltage for each power rails that go into CPU, which I doubt any reviewer would do it.

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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Mar 6 2017, 02:40 AM)
Neither vendors advertised their max power consumption. TDP means max power dissipation in heat; and TDP will always lower than power consumption.

Most reviewers simply measure the whole system from wall using kill-a-watt which is very close to absolute value if dGPU is absent and highly efficient PSU is used. To actually measure CPU power, you need to measure currents and voltage for each power rails that go into CPU, which I doubt any reviewer would do it.
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Yeah, in his thread The Stilt claim that pushing over 3.8Ghz is "extremely costly".
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just gone back from anandtech forum. very detail discussion! samsung foundry 14nm lpp seems to be few hundred mhz less than tsmc 16nm ff+. Besides, samsung finfet also coming from global foundry. Thats explain why amd oc are currently limited unless they use tsmc or others. Amd gone to samsung, probably because tsmc currently getting busy with apple and nvidia. Only samsung able to provide high quantity for amd.

However, the oc should not be more important than the problems(anandtech site) currently.
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ryzen having some issue in light workload right now, thats why gaming are weaker. However large workload will not trigger the issue. I think the problem known as thread shuffling. Thats explain the weird result everyone looking at.

also, it seems like someone at anandtech getting ryzen work(sort of) in windows 7 yay!

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So many issues AMD need to sort out, don't know if they can do it before R5 release.


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So many issues AMD need to sort out, don't know if they can do it before R5 release.
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Nah, AMD should not keeping this trend of "release now, solve later" and we consumer should not courage AMD to do that.

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Mar 6 2017, 12:36 PM)
Nah, AMD should not keeping this trend of "release now, solve later" and we consumer should not courage AMD to do that.
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It seems that Joker fake his bench results for his own benefits.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Mar 6 2017, 02:01 PM)
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Ryzen superior frametime/minimum frame in gaming confirmed by these guys. Even Wendell somewhat confirmed that with GTA:V that have microstutter present since day one i'm playing it.

around @22:40

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Interesting fact about Bulldozer fx8350 vs i5 2500K

In 2012 with 1080p, i5 2500K pull ahead with 10.4% more fps using GTX 680.
In 2017 with 1080p, fx8350 pull ahead instead with 10% more fps using GTX Titan (Pascal)

These shows that modern games and gpus will using more cores in future.
But bear in mind, it took 5 years for this to happen.

He also mentioned about cpu bottleneck, the one which get bottlenecked is i7-7700K itself.
But for Ryzen, its not cpu bottleneck, it due to programming bottleneck, since cpu still have plenty of headroom.

And in the end, Ryzen still delivered almost same performance in 4k/1440p ultra preset and superior min fps than its counterparts.
But one thing for sure good for all of us is that AMD will try to drive the 4 cores become mainstream and we will have to wait and see in few more months.



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I always enjoyed videos from Steve @ Hardware Unboxed as well as Tom @ OC3D

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QUOTE(cj7 @ Mar 5 2017, 04:34 PM)
well, 8c, 10c not exactly for oc. heck even 6c. Same thing happen for intel. Highest oc headroom would be at 4c, i suspect ryzen r3 will be beast. Going by power consumption, 1700 touch only 13x watt at full load. What if number of core cut down half? it definately give more oc headroom. Technically, someone can disable 4c and try oc, although not really same. Lol

Also i hate when ppl compare to 8c and 10c core, ryzen lose in certain application and at the same time they compare 7700, ryzen lose in gaming. Then they conclude ryzen is rubbish.
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QUOTE(alokin @ Mar 7 2017, 06:45 AM)
But for Ryzen, its not cpu bottleneck, it due to programming bottleneck, since cpu still have plenty of headroom.
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Why cant just amd make 4 core 8 thread processor with higher clock speed with the performance is almost same or higher than 7700k but sell it with lower price. Sure will dominate gamers community, and peoples will not hesitated to buy
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QUOTE(mosty @ Mar 9 2017, 11:37 AM)
Why cant just amd make 4 core 8 thread processor with higher clock speed with the performance is almost same or higher than 7700k but sell it with lower price. Sure will dominate gamers community, and peoples will not hesitated to buy
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thats Ryzen 5 & Ryzen 3. check the lineup in the link

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-full-lineup-confirmed/
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thats Ryzen 5 & Ryzen 3. check the lineup in the link

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-full-lineup-confirmed/
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Although ryzen 5 and 3 may come later, I don't believe it will match kaby lake in terms of performance though. Maybe 10% slower.. But the price will be the determining factor whether ryzen 5/3 is better than core i5/i3 parts.

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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Mar 9 2017, 12:34 PM)
Although ryzen 5 and 3 may come later, I don't believe it will match kaby lake in terms of performance though. Maybe 10% slower.. But the price will be the determining factor whether ryzen 5/3 is better than core i5/i3 parts.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5wuz1..._tuning_leaked/
https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/PSA-A...ave-Wider-Range

After reading the thread on reddit and the pcpaper article (link above), and dig a little bit more searching I have found better understanding regarding XFR
which has never been explained properly by many reviewers. And there were some misleading info reported by many Youtube reviewers too.

XFR actually works on all Ryzen chip, not just X-versions.
1800X, 1700X and 1700 all have XFR. The difference is that 1800X and 1700X has 100MHz extra over normal boost, while 1700MHz is only 50MHz.

The way a boost and XFR works on Ryzen 8-cores is something like this
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Base clock: 3600MHz @ 8 cores
Boost 1 : 3700MHz @ 8 cores
Max Boost : 4000MHz @ 2 cores
XFR : 4100MHz @ 2 cores (temp <60°C, cpu power <128W)

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Base clock: 3000MHz @ 8 cores
Boost 1 : 3100MHz @ 8 cores
Max Boost : 3700MHz @ 2 cores
XFR : 3750MHz @ 2 cores (temp <60°C, cpu power <128W)

Initially, early AMD reports mention that XFR is supposed to have no fixed limit, but in the end they decided to lock it at only 100MHz extra.

Some reviewers claim that max boost and XFR only works on one core, but if pcpaper article is correct then it should be 2 cores instead. One core max boost is probably due to buggy bios or unoptimized threads or something like that.








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My R7 1700X and Crosshair VI Hero are coming next week.... hehe...
So... exciting.
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ASUS am4 mobo stocks very limited.

Anyone else got a Ryzen rig that can share with us?
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Nope... get it from other country.

I noticed that the price is very close to MSI xPower Titanium.
It might gonna be around RM17xx when it's launched in Malaysia.

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QUOTE(Kanuki @ Mar 11 2017, 10:14 AM)
Nope... get it from other country.

I noticed that the price is very close to MSI xPower Titanium.
It might gonna be around RM17xx when it's launched in Malaysia.
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ASUS Crosshair VI Hero Malaysia price has been announced.

https://www.facebook.com/DOTATECH/photos/pc...?type=3&theater

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Any forecasts for the pricing here? will it offset the intel prices here?
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I usually multiply it by 5.

Price only will drop if R5 threaten Intel equivalent quite significantly in term of price/performance especially in gaming imo, else no price drop.
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I usually multiply it by 5.

Price only will drop if R5 threaten Intel equivalent quite significantly in term of price/performance especially in gaming imo, else no price drop.
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if like that not much effect then. thanks!
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I think the performance will be the same as ryzen 7, still cannot beat the king of single threaded performance i7-7700k. The only way amd can fight intel is the pricing.
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R5 1600X might be a better gaming option than R7 1700 because:
- lower pricing
- much higher base clock by 600MHz
- max clock on all cores 3700MHz @ 6-cores vs 3150MHz @ 8-cores

I think the huge extra mhz at the base is enough to offset the performance from lacking 2 extra cores in terms of gaming.
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Get some ECC RAM capable motherboard in the market and the Intel Xeon E3 will get screwed so badly I believe since Ryzen has ECC RAM support by default.
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Mar 17 2017, 12:46 AM)
Get some ECC RAM capable motherboard in the market and the Intel  Xeon E3 will get screwed so badly I believe since Ryzen has ECC RAM support by default.
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Are all Ryzen R7 R5 R3 support ECC RAM?
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Are all Ryzen R7 R5 R3 support ECC RAM?
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https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainbo...ts_ecc_memory/1

It seems like it depends on motherboard maker only. Not like intel, only xeon can get ecc support
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Mar 17 2017, 10:39 PM)
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainbo...ts_ecc_memory/1

It seems like it depends on motherboard maker only. Not like intel, only xeon can get ecc support
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This is really cool!
Before Ryzen ECC memory can only be found on Xeon which is more expensive platform.
ECC is more important for me rather than arguing how Ryzen lose to 7700k in gaming.
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dear sifus, i plan upgrade my 9 years old i7 860 to this r5 1400, any budget mobo suggestion for me?
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QUOTE(cfyong2020 @ Mar 18 2017, 12:30 PM)
dear sifus, i plan upgrade my 9 years old i7 860 to this r5 1400, any budget mobo suggestion for me?
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Get those A320 mobo from MSI / ASROCK / ASUS / etc will do. smile.gif
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QUOTE(terrorist @ Mar 18 2017, 12:54 PM)
Get those A320 mobo from MSI / ASROCK / ASUS / etc will do. smile.gif
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Why not B350? Can overclock unless you mati2 don't want to overclock your processor. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Kadaj @ Mar 18 2017, 11:44 AM)
This is really cool!
Before Ryzen ECC memory can only be found on Xeon which is more expensive platform.
ECC is more important for me rather than arguing how Ryzen lose to 7700k in gaming.
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This is actually designed more towards a workstation cpu though. If its a gaming cpu , core count is less important than lower cache latency and higher clock speed
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Mar 18 2017, 02:27 PM)
This is actually designed more towards a workstation cpu though. If its a gaming cpu , core count is less important than lower cache latency and higher clock speed
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But since future games have high possibility to go multithreading, ryzen will be rise and shine in the gaming industry. I have noticed that AMD has a very broad scope which actually take account of the future.
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anyone know which shop in Selangor/KL have ready stock for Ryzen R7 1700?

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anyone know which shop in Selangor/KL have ready stock for Ryzen R7 1700?
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some shops in lowyat have ready stocks of all the R7
it's the motherboards that's quite limited though
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I am aiming for R5 1600x. Just want to ask, the mobo I plan to pair with it is the asrock x370 SLI/ac...Does anyone here know where got sell this model a?. Coz most of them just sell the non wifi model.
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QUOTE(babysoft @ Mar 18 2017, 10:20 PM)
Hi guys,

I am aiming for R5 1600x. Just want to ask, the mobo I plan to pair with it is the asrock x370 SLI/ac...Does anyone here know where got sell this model a?. Coz most of them just sell the non wifi model.
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goldfries Is Ryzen bus-clocking friendly?

I mean, can you increase the bus clock without affecting the stability of other peripherals like pcie clock, sata, and all those stuff?
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Mar 17 2017, 10:39 PM)
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainbo...ts_ecc_memory/1

It seems like it depends on motherboard maker only. Not like intel, only xeon can get ecc support
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not just that, you need ECC compatible motherboards too sweat.gif

which cost a bomb
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Mar 20 2017, 08:49 PM)
goldfries Is Ryzen bus-clocking friendly?

I mean, can you increase the bus clock without affecting the stability of other peripherals like pcie clock, sata, and all those stuff?
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Donno, lemme go try with other boards first.

My MSI board sucks on that aspect, RM 1.8k beauty but can't adjust multiplier x BCLK.

Damn n00b for OCing IMO.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 20 2017, 09:35 PM)
Donno, lemme go try with other boards first.

My MSI board sucks on that aspect, RM 1.8k beauty but can't adjust multiplier x BCLK.

Damn n00b for OCing IMO.
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Thailand there selling around RM1.4k (using 7.8 conversion rate) for this model.

Btw... I need to ask you something.

I'm using 1700X with Crosshair VI Hero and Corsair Vengeance LED 8GBx2 3000MHz CL15.

I can't push my RAM push over 2666MHz at all.

Can you give me a bit of advise?

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Did you manually set the timings and voltage?
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Did you manually set the timings and voltage?
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I did but still won't boot. The recommended timing is 15-17-17-36 @ 1.35v.

I even raised voltage up to 1.4v and still no luck.

P.S. I'm stuck at 2666 MHz with timing 14-14-14-14-30 @ 1.35v.

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QUOTE(Kanuki @ Mar 20 2017, 11:36 PM)
P.S. I'm stuck at 2666 MHz with timing 14-14-14-14-30 @ 1.35v.
Your RAM not part of this list huh?

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/landing/ryzen
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QUOTE(Kanuki @ Mar 20 2017, 10:59 PM)
Thailand there selling around RM1.4k (using 7.8 conversion rate) for this model.

Btw... I need to ask you something.

I'm using 1700X with Crosshair VI Hero and Corsair Vengeance LED 8GBx2 3000MHz CL15.

I can't push my RAM push over 2666MHz at all.

Can you give me a bit of advise?
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Try lower speed to 2133, most mobo got problem with Ram speed.
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QUOTE(nkl5499 @ Mar 20 2017, 11:52 PM)
Try lower speed to 2133, most mobo got problem with Ram speed.
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No reason for him to lower when he can already run 2666.
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Your RAM not part of this list huh?

http://www.corsair.com/en-us/landing/ryzen
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Let hope this will help... finger crossed. XD
https://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/03/20/new...e_in_wild_uefi/

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Try check on lelong.. Some of them selling it..  thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(Kanuki @ Mar 20 2017, 10:59 PM)
Thailand there selling around RM1.4k (using 7.8 conversion rate) for this model.

Btw... I need to ask you something.

I'm using 1700X with Crosshair VI Hero and Corsair Vengeance LED 8GBx2 3000MHz CL15.

I can't push my RAM push over 2666MHz at all.

Can you give me a bit of advise?
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can you try rising the bclk to 110mhz see if it can run 2933mhz.
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can you try rising the bclk to 110mhz see if it can run 2933mhz.
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and will try to raise my DDR speed at the same time.

I did try to raise my BCLK to 102MHz yesterday
and already had hard time to boot.

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I will try to OC my CPU to 4.2GHz to night
and will try to raise my DDR speed at the same time.

I did try to raise my BCLK to 102MHz yesterday
and already had hard time to boot.
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lower the cpu multiplier so that you're not clock limited. on average, R7 doesn't really like anything higher than 4ghz even if you put more voltage on it.
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just asking, are there any difference in durability / build quality between x370 and b350 motherboard?
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QUOTE(seichirosano @ Mar 22 2017, 03:56 PM)
just asking, are there any difference in durability / build quality between x370 and b350 motherboard?
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QUOTE(silrave @ Mar 22 2017, 06:27 PM)
not sure just know can oc for x series board
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You can overclock on both X370 and B350. Of course X370 platform will have better power delivery, etc for "better" overclocking.
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just asking, are there any difference in durability / build quality between x370 and b350 motherboard?
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The current X370 boards available right now have better power delivery than available B350 motherboards.
However a manufacturer can choose to manufacture a B350 board with similar power delivery and components as X370, but it probably won't be as cost efficient.
It's more of a marketing choice rather than chipset limitation.
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How much is the OCable board range ?
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How much is the OCable board range ?
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Decent Gigabyte/Asus/asrock/msi b350 is overclock able.. Ranging from rm400-600

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I think it's quite a catch really that b350s board aren't suppose to compete, as in engineered, with x370 that the later suppose to deliver slightly better if not gaping differences in performance, stability wise.
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but x series board not cheap > <
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the cheapest x370 board i've found is asrock killer sli x370. thumbup.gif
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I think I will just do with b350, 1800x and a future vega card then run everything at factory settings. Overclocking is fun but in the long run for just 500mhz bump is a good room warmer really.
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but 8x 500mhz... that's 4GHz of extra juice!
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These RAM can run at 3600 on Ryzen.
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QUOTE(PedangGila @ Mar 25 2017, 11:12 PM)
I think I will just do with b350, 1800x and a future vega card then run everything at factory settings. Overclocking is fun but in the long run for just 500mhz bump is a good room warmer really.
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this is a very good cpu to use in hardcore gaming, very supported cpu to increase the performance in gaming
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We already have 28Ghz worth of processing power lol. In real world 30 secs differences is not that long but yea in gaming even half a second late is what set the winner and loser apart but I am gaming with just an a8 5600k with max turbo 4.4ghz, no problemo. The lag spikes caused by ISP and their networks is more table flipping keyboard smashing than a budget rig.
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Mar 26 2017, 10:06 PM)
Good to see it even at 3.9ghz pwnd 5.0ghz 7700k as in letting the gpu works its magic. Though we all know single core intel still the king.
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The only CPU I'm interested in (and probably can only afford smile.gif) is 1500X... Can't wait to see how if works in Total War games (which has never been AMD CPU friendly before).

If it performs on par with i5 7600 then it's sure buy from me. smile.gif


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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Mar 27 2017, 09:49 AM)
The only CPU I'm interested in (and probably can only afford smile.gif) is 1500X... Can't wait to see how if works in Total War games (which has never been AMD CPU friendly before).

If it performs on par with i5 7600 then it's sure buy from me. smile.gif
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Mar 26 2017, 10:06 PM)
Unfortunately RAM at that speed costs quite a fair bit.

From my own tests, some games do benefit from faster RAM.

No need to wait too long, as game devs see more cores they will also utilize it. Eventually the gap will close on its own without having to go high speed DDR4 - well, that's what I think la.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Mar 28 2017, 02:09 AM)
Unfortunately RAM at that speed costs quite a fair bit.

From my own tests, some games do benefit from faster RAM.

No need to wait too long, as game devs see more cores they will also utilize it. Eventually the gap will close on its own without having to go high speed DDR4 - well, that's what I think la.
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Quite worried about B350 VRM running 8 core. I think I'll stick to X370 with 16-phase VRM if I gonna buy it.
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where to buy the ASROCK mobo? btw, the wraith cooler that comes with 1700 need to be modified when attach to the motherboard. why dont amd make it compatible straight away? isnt it a stock cooler?
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QUOTE(culain99 @ Mar 27 2017, 08:02 PM)
Me too, 1500X processor, B350 motherboard, 32gb ram
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What is the fastest RAm that this board can support ?
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where to buy the ASROCK mobo? btw, the wraith cooler that comes with 1700 need to be modified when attach to the motherboard. why dont amd make it compatible straight away? isnt it a stock cooler?
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Many shops you can get ASRock board. Which model are you looking at?

asrockmy

1700 cooler doesn't need to be modified. It's AM4 bracket, it fits with any AM4 board.
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Many shops you can get ASRock board. Which model are you looking at?

asrockmy

1700 cooler doesn't need to be modified. It's AM4 bracket, it fits with any AM4 board.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 28 2017, 11:37 AM)
Quite worried about B350 VRM running 8 core. I think I'll stick to X370 with 16-phase VRM if I gonna buy it.
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TTL @ OC3D overclocked 1800X on MSI B350 Tomahawk at 4.0GHz (1.4Vcore) without much issue. He said the voltage reading was much more stable compared to other more expensive X370 boards he had.
Other than that he just had to manually tune the RAM to run at 3200mhz.



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QUOTE(soulfly @ Mar 28 2017, 05:29 PM)
TTL @ OC3D overclocked 1800X on MSI B350 Tomahawk at 4.0GHz (1.4Vcore) without much issue. He said the voltage reading was much more stable compared to other more expensive X370 boards he had.
Other than that he just had to manually tune the RAM to run at 3200mhz.


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That's cool. Need 8 core to run heavy stuffs for me. Haven't decided yet cause I'm still looking around.
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This is just my wild imagination and speculation.

I think Ryzen 3 will be a single CCX processor based on early Raven Ridge with iGPU and SMT disabled. Or it could have no on-die iGPU at all, since the Zen design is basically modular.
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^ Nais! What board and RAM though?
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Tom's has published an article on Ryzen update for Ashes of Singularity.

Only one title, sure... but it does demonstrate that there may be untapped potential if only the concerned parties will spend resources for it.

quoted from the article:

"We tested both AMD and Intel processors before and after applying the patch, recording an impressive increase in CPU performance at 1920x1080. The Ryzen 7 1800X trailed Intel's Core i7-7700K before the update, but swapped positions after we activated the new code. The 1800X notched a 16.36% increase, which falls short of AMD's projections, but again, we're using a different preset as AMD."

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen...tion,34021.html
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^ Nais! What board and RAM though?
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QUOTE(yoda @ Mar 31 2017, 09:46 AM)
Asrock AB350Pro4 bios 2.2
Corsair LPX 3000 c 15 (running 16 17 17 17 35 @ 2667) no luck at 2933
1.35 vcore
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I thought have new bios update, that can read xmp?
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/3186443/com...ard-update.html

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/246840-n...zen-performance

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/As...formance-Update

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen...tion,34021.html

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“We have reduced DRAM latency by approximately 6ns. This can result in higher performance for latency-sensitive applications.
We resolved a condition where an unusual FMA3 code sequence could cause a system hang.
We resolved the “overclock sleep bug” where an incorrect CPU frequency could be reported after resuming from S3 sleep.
AMD Ryzen Master no longer requires the High-Precision Event Timer (HPET).


That last bullet point is especially notable for gamers who want to squeeze more performance out of their Ryzen PCs. Overclocking your system and disabling HPET are two key tricks to maximizing Ryzen PC performance, so having AMD’s own Ryzen Master overclocking software dependent upon HPET was a bit of a bummer. No more!


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1.35 vcore
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Corsair LPX 3000 is a problematic RAM for Ryzen, I hope people stop buying it for the moment unless you're really desperate for a DDR4 and there's no other option available for you.

Because if you guys look at most Ryzen build with that RAM, I think pretty much everyone had problem with clocks.
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Did you increase RAM voltage?
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Corsair LPX 3000 is a problematic RAM for Ryzen, I hope people stop buying it for the moment unless you're really desperate for a DDR4 and there's no other option available for you.

Because if you guys look at most Ryzen build with that RAM, I think pretty much everyone had problem with clocks.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-316...-docp-eocp.html

icon_idea.gif In case somebody doesn't know, DOCP (AMD) = XMP (Intel).
If you watch linustechtips latest ryzen oc video, you'll know about it too.

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Any news on Bristol Ridge APUs? Hopefully could bring console class graphics with cheap prices
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Wait for the one with Zen. Bristol Ridge is still on Excavator 2.0 architecture. The poor single threaded performance will hold the iGPU performance back.  biggrin.gif
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at sunway damansara are super duper jam = =
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omg i am interest but the location and time
at sunway damansara are super duper jam = =
At that time every part of Klang Valley is jam. biggrin.gif

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There are a few people starting to put the concern about the bad memory controller
on 1700X which made in China because it can't operate RAM at 3200MHz while 1700 which
made in Malaysia can operate RAM at 3200MHz easily.



P.S. My 1700X can't be overclocked to 4.0GHz at all. 3.9GHz@1.45v only 85% stable.
And default settings will just crash without any warning at all.


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QUOTE(russell612 @ Apr 2 2017, 07:21 PM)
My bad I meant to be saying Raven Ridge.
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2H 2017 Raven Ridge is mobile only according to AMD roadmap

QUOTE(Kanuki @ Apr 4 2017, 11:32 AM)
There are a few people starting to put the concern about the bad memory controller
on 1700X which made in China because it can't operate RAM at 3200MHz while 1700 which
made in Malaysia can operate RAM at 3200MHz easily.
P.S. My 1700X can't be overclocked to 4.0GHz at all. 3.9GHz@1.45v only 85% stable.
And default settings will just crash without any warning at all.
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Is the manufacturing country SKU specific, or is it just random? I mean for example 1700 MiM only, or also available MiC?
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QUOTE(Kanuki @ Apr 4 2017, 11:32 AM)
There are a few people starting to put the concern about the bad memory controller
on 1700X which made in China because it can't operate RAM at 3200MHz while 1700 which
made in Malaysia can operate RAM at 3200MHz easily.
P.S. My 1700X can't be overclocked to 4.0GHz at all. 3.9GHz@1.45v only 85% stable.
And default settings will just crash without any warning at all.
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I thought that's only packaging? Not related to the IMC at all?
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At that time every part of Klang Valley is jam. biggrin.gif
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some more it is in the most traffic jam place XD
kota damansara XD
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QUOTE(Kanuki @ Apr 4 2017, 11:32 AM)
There are a few people starting to put the concern about the bad memory controller
on 1700X which made in China because it can't operate RAM at 3200MHz while 1700 which
made in Malaysia can operate RAM at 3200MHz easily.
P.S. My 1700X can't be overclocked to 4.0GHz at all. 3.9GHz@1.45v only 85% stable.
And default settings will just crash without any warning at all.
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It is a pretty common case. More like motherboard issue, as manufacturers have been giving beta BIOS. Expect better BIOS is coming. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Kanuki @ Apr 4 2017, 11:32 AM)
P.S. My 1700X can't be overclocked to 4.0GHz at all. 3.9GHz@1.45v only 85% stable.
And default settings will just crash without any warning at all.
Wow that's bad, 1.45vcore very high.

What cooling are you using?

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Wow that's bad, 1.45vcore very high.

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QUOTE(Kanuki @ Apr 5 2017, 08:34 AM)
Cryorig A80 with two 140mm fans (push) and one 200mm fan (pull).
OK that one will handle the heat better, I didn't know they have AM4 mount models in already.

1.45v is very high. My 1800X at 3.99Ghz (around 4Ghz la) is 1.385vcore stable (UEFI setting) and passes OCCT 1 hour stress test.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 5 2017, 09:28 AM)
OK that one will handle the heat better, I didn't know they have AM4 mount models in already.

1.45v is very high. My 1800X at 3.99Ghz (around 4Ghz la) is 1.385vcore stable (UEFI setting) and passes OCCT 1 hour stress test.
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They still do no have the mounting kit for AM4. It seem like have to wait
until mid of April 2017 for them to be able to ship it out.

Luckily ASUS Crosshair VI Hero come with AM3 and AM4 mounting holes.
It's really genius idea from ASUS. It's one of the strong selling point for
ASUS at the moment.

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Ahhh didn't realize you were using ASUS board. Yes, that's the best thing about that board. I also have one here.

The thing about that ASUS board is last I tried, I can't get it to run 4Ghz either while my MSI board can.
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any water cooler for ryzen 1800x ?
Also what is the difference between msi x370 carbon and xpower gaming titanium ? Nearly 700 myr price difference but does it worth ?

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QUOTE(bpc @ Apr 6 2017, 01:50 PM)
any water cooler for ryzen 1800x ?
Also what is the difference between msi x370 carbon and xpower gaming titanium ? Nearly 700 myr price difference but does it worth ?
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The XPower Titanium moniker has its history as MSI finest board. The unique color also jacks up the price.

The Carbon has always been budget gaming series.
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Just wanna confirm, do local R1800X and R1700X come with the Wraith Max cooler?
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Just wanna confirm, do local R1800X and R1700X come with the Wraith Max cooler?
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The current stocks don't come with Wraith Max.
It will be available as bundled option in the future.
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The XPower Titanium moniker has its history as MSI finest board. The unique color also jacks up the price.

The Carbon has always been budget gaming series.
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The color has nothing to do with the price. Price jacked up is only in Malaysia.

It's being sold in Thailand almost the same price with other brand top end model.



QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Apr 6 2017, 08:44 PM)
Just wanna confirm, do local R1800X and R1700X come with the Wraith Max cooler?
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Nope...

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The current stocks don't come with Wraith Max.
It will be available as bundled option in the future.
The Wraith Max is available only to SI.

(Refer to the video in reply below)
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QUOTE(Kanuki @ Apr 7 2017, 09:55 AM)
The color has nothing to do with the price. Price jacked up is only in Malaysia.

It's being sold in Thailand almost the same price with other brand top end model.
Nope...
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Prices from newegg:

MSI Z270 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM LGA 1151 Intel Z270 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 ATX Motherboards - Intel
$329.99

MSI MSI Gaming Z170A XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM EDITION LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 ATX Intel Motherboard
$254.99 (was $299.99)

MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM AM4 AMD X370 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI ATX Motherboards - AMD
$299.99

QUOTE(bpc @ Apr 6 2017, 01:50 PM)
any water cooler for ryzen 1800x ?
Also what is the difference between msi x370 carbon and xpower gaming titanium ?
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Again, the XPower Titanium is a premium board, the finest from MSI.
Malaysia price is always crazy as usual. Some go x5 USD, some X5.5 USD, some x6 USD, some even more. My Z170 ASRock mobo was x4 USD (which is a steal laugh.gif ) last year.

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Prices from newegg:

MSI Z270 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM LGA 1151 Intel Z270 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 ATX Motherboards - Intel
$329.99

MSI MSI Gaming Z170A XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM EDITION LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 ATX Intel Motherboard
$254.99 (was $299.99)

MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM AM4 AMD X370 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI ATX Motherboards - AMD
$299.99
Again, the XPower Titanium is a premium board, the finest from MSI.
Malaysia price is always crazy as usual. Some go x5 USD, some X5.5 USD, some x6 USD, some even more. My Z170 ASRock mobo was x4 USD (which is a steal  laugh.gif ) last year.
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ASUS Crosshair VI Hero = 10,200 Bath / 7.8 = RM1308.00

MSI X370 xPower Gaming Titanium = 11,200 Bath / 7.8 = RM1436.00
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QUOTE(Kanuki @ Apr 7 2017, 11:22 AM)
ASUS Crosshair VI Hero = 10,200 Bath / 7.8 = RM1308.00

MSI X370 xPower Gaming Titanium = 11,200 Bath / 7.8 = RM1436.00
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as usual, local distributors and their profit bye.gif
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as usual, local distributors and their profit bye.gif
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ASUS price different is only around RM90 but you will get extra one year warranty
if you register the product online (not sure about this campaign still valid now or not).
It's kinda fair.

ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming
Malaysia price = RM1279.00
Thailand Price = 8,990.00 Bath / 7.8 = RM1153.00

Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 5
Malaysia price = RM964.60
Thailand Price = 6,590 Bath / 7.8 = RM845.00
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how is that rig ? I read all comments and i think no need to pay extra money to Mobo in that case ? biggrin.gif thx a lot everyone ! (still codulnt find any am4 cooler)

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AMD Processor AM4 RYZEN 7 Series 1800X 4.0GHz WITHOUT CPU COOLER
G.SKILL RAM Desktop DDR4 TRIDENTZ 2X 8GB PC3200 F4-3200C16D-8GTZB (X2)
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how is that rig ? I read all comments and i think no need to pay extra money to Mobo in that case ? biggrin.gif thx a lot everyone ! (still codulnt find any am4 cooler)

  MSI MOTHERBOARD AMD AM4 X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM
  AMD Processor AM4 RYZEN 7 Series 1800X 4.0GHz WITHOUT CPU COOLER
  G.SKILL RAM Desktop DDR4 TRIDENTZ 2X 8GB PC3200 F4-3200C16D-8GTZB  (X2)
  GIGABYTE VGA GF GTX 1070 WF2 OC 8GB DDR5 (GV-N1070WF2OC-8GD)
  CORSAIR Power Supply CX Series CX750M 750W (CP-9020061-UK)
  WESTERN DIGITAL HDD INT Desktop BLACK 3TB SATA3 64MB WD3003FZEX
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Maybe you will need to use the cable tie for the cooler first
or maybe you can go for ASUS Crosshair VI Hero that has
AM3 mounting holes.

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you mean later on i can grab any Am4 cooler right when it is avaliable ? actually i was thinking water cooler but maybe i can wait a bit more time.
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If i were to cut cost on AM4 Board,
they told me the only major different between X370 and B350 is that X370 got more PCI-E Slots.

How about overclocking parts? Will i lost a lot on B350?
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QUOTE(bpc @ Apr 7 2017, 02:13 PM)
you mean later on i can grab any Am4 cooler right when it is avaliable ? actually i was thinking water cooler but maybe i can wait a bit more time.
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I don't quite understand what you mean exactly.

What I meant is acutally you can just buy most of the water cooler right now because of
most of the high end water cooler brand already promised to give the retention kit for free once
they're ready. You may need to use to use the cable tie to tie the water block to the motherboard first.

Please consult with the seller first before you buy it.



QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Apr 7 2017, 02:28 PM)
If i were to cut cost on AM4 Board,
they told me the only major different between X370 and B350 is that X370 got more PCI-E Slots.

How about overclocking parts? Will i lost a lot on B350?
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I was thinking exactly the same because most of the x370 board has the unnecessary features
that I don't need but I still ended up bought the high end x370 board just because it look nicest
and has AM3 mounting holes. hahaha... tongue.gif biggrin.gif

About the overclocking part is mostly on your luck.... It's what we called 'Silicon Lottery'.
If you get the good chip then you can even overclock to 4.1-4.2GHz easily and low vcore voltage too
but if you get the bad chip then you can't even get it to 3.9GHz even with high vcore voltage.

P.S. Seem like 1700 giving the best odd at the moment.

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QUOTE(bpc @ Apr 7 2017, 02:06 PM)
how is that rig ? I read all comments and i think no need to pay extra money to Mobo in that case ? biggrin.gif thx a lot everyone ! (still codulnt find any am4 cooler)

  MSI MOTHERBOARD AMD AM4 X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM
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COOLER MASTER / BEQUIET / CORSAIR / THERMALTAKE got the cooler ah..

MSI got their Frozr cooler for AM4 too biggrin.gif
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@Kanuki got it man thx biggrin.gif

@terrorist, yea man just now found, i didin't know frozr
https://www.lelong.com.my/msi-core-frozr-l-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

btw i found liquid cooler aswell https://www.lelong.com.my/corsair-hydro-ser...8-04-Sale-P.htm

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QUOTE(bpc @ Apr 7 2017, 03:02 PM)
@Kanuki got it man thx biggrin.gif

@terrorist, yea man just now found, i didin't know frozr
https://www.lelong.com.my/msi-core-frozr-l-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

btw i found liquid cooler aswell https://www.lelong.com.my/corsair-hydro-ser...8-04-Sale-P.htm
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If you plan to overclock, might as well just get the 1700. Much cheaper and overclocks about the same.
At least with 1700 you can still overclock it to 3.7ghz with stock cooler while waiting for aftermarket cooler to be come available.
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Apr 7 2017, 05:38 PM)
If you plan to overclock, might as well just get the 1700. Much cheaper and overclocks about the same.
At least with 1700 you can still overclock it to 3.7ghz with stock cooler while waiting for aftermarket cooler to be come available.
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yea man just now i was thinking to switch to 1700x. I am not planning much overclock actually, even i am not a gamer, mainly photo/video editing biggrin.gif and maybe some games.
if i go for 1700 i think it will be much more cheaper.
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QUOTE(bpc @ Apr 7 2017, 05:41 PM)
yea man just now i was thinking to switch to 1700x. I am not planning much overclock actually, even i am not a gamer, mainly photo/video editing biggrin.gif and maybe some games.
if i go for 1700 i think it will be much more cheaper.
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If you can save,better save.
Get 1700 enough since you gonna overclock. Motherboard maybe you can get other model. That MSI is too expensive.

Boards are not that much different(for x370 models) in terms of overclock because Ryzen overclock is limited by the process not motherboard unless you require that particular motherboard model features. thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(bpc @ Apr 7 2017, 05:41 PM)
yea man just now i was thinking to switch to 1700x. I am not planning much overclock actually, even i am not a gamer, mainly photo/video editing biggrin.gif and maybe some games.
if i go for 1700 i think it will be much more cheaper.
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you can overclock just fine with a B350 mobo.
the asus b350 prime seems to be quite decent
msi b350 tomahawk also not bad

the only major reason you'd want an x370 is you want to do 'extreme overclocking' because they generally provide higher spec power phase design, and SLI support.
4GHz OC with below 1.45Vcore should be fine on most current B350 mobos.
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does anyone have this (or know where to get this)?
http://noctua.at/en/nm-am4-mounting-kit
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Couldn't find one for R5 1500X. No benchmark on Total War though. sad.gif
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does anyone have this (or know where to get this)?
http://noctua.at/en/nm-am4-mounting-kit
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Just need to fill this form and wait.

http://noctua.at/en/nm-am4-mounting-kit-order-form

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Couldn't find one for R5 1500X. No benchmark on Total War though.  sad.gif
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I think most Ryzen stuck at 4.0ghz for OC, it wont much different since 1400 already OCed to 3.8ghz just the gap would be closer.
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QUOTE(nkl5499 @ Apr 10 2017, 08:52 PM)
I think most Ryzen stuck at 4.0ghz for OC, it wont much different since 1400 already OCed to 3.8ghz just the gap would be closer.
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Too bad. Since I primarily only plays Total War, I think I should stick with i5. Only another video I saw, ryzen 7 even got beated by i5s for Total War.
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Apr 8 2017, 11:17 PM)
4GHz OC with below 1.45Vcore should be fine on most current B350 mobos.
You need about 1.45vcore to touch 4Ghz. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(grimreaper05 @ Apr 9 2017, 04:51 PM)
does anyone have this (or know where to get this)?
http://noctua.at/en/nm-am4-mounting-kit
Not that i know of. I have it, but mine's directly from Noctua.

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Just need to fill this form and wait.

http://noctua.at/en/nm-am4-mounting-kit-order-form
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Yes, the problem is I dont have proof of purchase for my d14

QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 10 2017, 08:56 PM)
Not that i know of. I have it, but mine's directly from Noctua.
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Shops carry this kit, but not for selling atm. I know i need this coz this wraith spire wont keep oc-ed cooled. 1700 @3.6ghz, 1.3v under intel burn test at 90c. 65w tdp jump ~130w, yes please forget to hit 4.0ghz.
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Anyway tonight is when embargo lifts (9PM) - Ryzen 5 reviews will be made available.
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price of r5 1600 6c/12t is cheaper (even provided with stock cooler) than the i5 7600K 4c/4t ohmy.gif (no stock cooler)


http://www.lelong.com.my/merchant/easyit2u...C1-164703-1.htm

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could have been cheaper if RM was strong dry.gif

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price of r5 1600 6c/12t is cheaper (even provided with stock cooler) than the i5 7600K 4c/4t ohmy.gif (no stock cooler)
http://www.lelong.com.my/merchant/easyit2u...C1-164703-1.htm
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Its sure cheaper since amd ready ryzen 5 for against i5 @@
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Its sure cheaper since amd ready ryzen 5 for against i5 @@
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Ryzen 5 1500X sits between i5-7400 and i5-7500. hmm.gif
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Ryzen 5 1500X sits between i5-7400 and i5-7500 when gaming.  hmm.gif
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FTFY.
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My concern only for Total war games. Wanna wait for some benchmark first. Last time I saw Ryzen 7 lost to i5s.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Apr 11 2017, 04:31 PM)
My concern only for Total war games. Wanna wait for some benchmark first. Last time I saw Ryzen 7 lost to i5s.
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There is new patch to solve this but not sure how much improvement.
Do expect more patches coming for ryzen to improve gaming performance
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Apr 11 2017, 04:31 PM)
My concern only for Total war games. Wanna wait for some benchmark first. Last time I saw Ryzen 7 lost to i5s.
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Negligible imo, unless you play on 480p Low

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wao ryzen 5 1600x 1199 > <
if get mobo + rx 580 dunno will how much

sell off my i7-3770 + mobo + 16gb ( 4 x 4 gb ) ram .

dunno need to top up how much > , <
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QUOTE(silrave @ Apr 12 2017, 08:50 PM)
wao ryzen 5 1600x 1199 > <
if get mobo + rx 580 dunno will how much

sell off my i7-3770 + mobo + 16gb ( 4 x 4 gb ) ram .

dunno need to top up how much > , <
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That processor is still good imo unless you really really those extra 2 cores. hmm.gif
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That processor is still good imo unless you really really those extra 2 cores. hmm.gif
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just that not sure i it a good upgrade
or not a big difference ? XD
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Apr 8 2017, 11:17 PM)
you can overclock just fine with a B350 mobo.
the asus b350 prime seems to be quite decent
msi b350 tomahawk also not bad

the only major reason you'd want an x370 is you want to do 'extreme overclocking' because they generally provide higher spec power phase design, and SLI support.
4GHz OC with below 1.45Vcore should be fine on most current B350 mobos.
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how about this combination ? But still i need to OC rams right to get 3200?

AMD Processor AM4 RYZEN 7 Series 1700 3.7GHz
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how about this combination ? But still i need to OC rams right to get 3200?

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The board supports 3200mhz ram out of the box
This might be a good read for you - https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mai...rboard_review/1
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What happened there? So Nvidia driver also crapped out in DX11 when using Ryzen proc?
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What happened there? So Nvidia driver also crapped out in DX11 when using Ryzen proc?
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No one knows the actual reason.
Maybe the Amd cpu + amd gpu is true after all laugh.gif
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For editing 4k videos, should I go with 1600 or 1600k ?
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For editing 4k videos, should I go with 1600 or 1600k ?
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Seem no reason to buy 1600X unless u are "non-overclocker". BTW 1600X guarantee 4.0 which 1600 need silicon lottery but mostly can oc to 3.7ghz at least.
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What happened there? So Nvidia driver also crapped out in DX11 when using Ryzen proc?
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If you plan to overclock just get the one without X which is 1600.
Or you can straight go to 1700 whistling.gif
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B350 board , comparing
MSI B350 TOMAHAWK
GIGABYTE GA AB350-GAMING 3
Which one would you all recommend and why ?
The price difference is not much though , just having hard time to pick one lol ..
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QUOTE(avengers88 @ Apr 13 2017, 11:44 AM)
B350 board , comparing
MSI B350 TOMAHAWK
GIGABYTE GA AB350-GAMING 3
Which one would you all recommend and why ?
The price difference is not much though , just having hard time to pick one lol ..
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msi coz heatsink for VRM? XD Both not really different much
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QUOTE(nkl5499 @ Apr 13 2017, 09:44 AM)
Seem no reason to buy 1600X unless u are "non-overclocker". BTW 1600X guarantee 4.0 which 1600 need silicon lottery but mostly can oc to 3.7ghz at least.
I won't say guarantee.

4.0Ghz is the turbo speed.

I got mine to 4.0Ghz and pass the common benchmarks with 1.45vcore though, that's quite hot.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 13 2017, 12:54 PM)
I won't say guarantee.

4.0Ghz is the turbo speed.

I got mine to 4.0Ghz and pass the common benchmarks with 1.45vcore though, that's quite hot.
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do you meant 1600X is not gurantee 4.0ghz by default? >.<
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QUOTE(nkl5499 @ Apr 13 2017, 01:19 PM)
do you meant 1600X is not gurantee 4.0ghz by default? >.<
Noooooo, I use so many I also don't want to guarantee anything.

Ryzen is not OCing hero, in fact it's just quite LOL case at it.


Refer http://www.ocdrift.com/amd-ryzen-binned-pr...ilicon-lottery/

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Ryzen 7 1700
93% reach 3.8 GHz @ 1.376V
70% reach 3.9 GHz @ 1.408V
23% reach 4.0 GHz @ 1.440V

Ryzen 7 1700X
100% reach 3.8 GHz @ 1.360V
77% reach 3.9 GHz @ 1.392V
33% reach 4.0 GHz @ 1.424V

Ryzen 7 1800X
97% reach 3.9 GHz @ 1.376V
67% reach 4.0 GHz @ 1.408V
20% reach 4.1 GHz @ 1.440V


My finding is as such, my 1800X can't touch 4.1Ghz. 4.0Ghz stable also need a lot of effort to tune.

For 1600X and 1500X, I manage to run them at 4.0Ghz with 1.45vcore but for others, I also don't guarantee same outcome.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 13 2017, 01:26 PM)
Noooooo, I use so many I also don't want to guarantee anything.

Ryzen is not OCing hero, in fact it's just quite LOL case at it.
Refer http://www.ocdrift.com/amd-ryzen-binned-pr...ilicon-lottery/
My finding is as such, my 1800X can't touch 4.1Ghz. 4.0Ghz stable also need a lot of effort to tune.

For 1600X and 1500X, I manage to run them at 4.0Ghz with 1.45vcore but for others, I also don't guarantee same outcome.
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So does putting 3200mhz ram over cheaper 2400mhz makes more difference than trying to clock the cpu at 4.0ghz over 3.8ghz ?? So far nobody has done this experiment. You improve the infinity fabric speed over just pushing the core clock .
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Apr 13 2017, 03:24 PM)
So does putting 3200mhz ram over cheaper 2400mhz makes more difference than trying to clock the cpu at 4.0ghz over 3.8ghz ?? So far nobody has done this experiment. You improve the infinity fabric speed over just pushing the core clock .
Ehhh, what do you mean no one done this experiment? tongue.gif



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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 13 2017, 03:57 PM)
Ehhh, what do you mean no one done this experiment? tongue.gif


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I wish to see whether worth the fuss of pushing your 3.7Ghz Ryzen 7 to 4ghz at all cost or putting a higher speed RAM makes more difference.I know a quite a few people who hit a wall with just 3.9 Ghz with a R7 1700 because already pumping >1.4v to it. So question now is, is it worth going even higher voltage than 1.4V or just buy a higher speed memory to improve fps. I believe minimum fps is also important so I would suggest getting the minimum fps in the graphs as well.

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Apr 13 2017, 07:39 PM)
I wish to see whether worth the fuss of pushing your 3.7Ghz Ryzen 7 to 4ghz at all cost or putting a higher speed RAM makes more difference.I know a quite a few people who hit a wall with just 3.9 Ghz with a R7 1700 because already pumping >1.4v to it. So question now is, is it worth going even higher voltage than 1.4V or just buy a higher speed memory to improve fps. I believe minimum fps is also important so I would suggest getting the minimum fps in the graphs as well.
Go with 3.8Ghz or would be enough. No need to die die 4Ghz.

RAM also, not beneficial for most purpose. Sure, fine with having faster speed RAM if you have the funds but like what I reported, only beneficial if you're doing work that benefits it.

1700 is 3.0Ghz, can reach 3.7Ghz would be like 1800X with XFR in action and that's plenty fast already.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 13 2017, 01:26 PM)
Noooooo, I use so many I also don't want to guarantee anything.

Ryzen is not OCing hero, in fact it's just quite LOL case at it.
Refer http://www.ocdrift.com/amd-ryzen-binned-pr...ilicon-lottery/
My finding is as such, my 1800X can't touch 4.1Ghz. 4.0Ghz stable also need a lot of effort to tune.

For 1600X and 1500X, I manage to run them at 4.0Ghz with 1.45vcore but for others, I also don't guarantee same outcome.
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Hey Goldfries do you have any R5 1600s in your hands now? I am wondering how high can it oc to with stock cooler.... Also, do you think 3.8 GHz is doable on a cheapest B350 MOBO?
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I only have 1600X. No 1600.
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See how the Ryzen 5 1500X, 1600X, 1700 and 1800X compare to the Core i7-7700K. smile.gif
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Are a320 mobos available yet ? Not worth to get the a350 since I don't oc ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(Fatimus @ Apr 17 2017, 09:28 AM)
Are a320 mobos available yet ? Not worth to get the a350 since I don't oc ohmy.gif
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From Jayacom pricelist, they listed a MSI A320 Gaming Pro for RM 360 but...

https://www.lowyat.net/2017/129400/asus-mal...4-motherboards/

Asus apparently bringing in their A320Prime K for RM 303 but not sure available


My post;

Hey would like to know between the 1400 and 1500x, how much of a difference can I get with the top up 80 Ringgit and if I want to get a basic b350 board, which one is good, budget for mobo 450 max not more than that

I was looking at 350 gaming pro but newegg comment say it is bad and buggy bios, or the asus 350m but same thing on newegg except it is worse with DOA

Also found the Gigabyte AB350 DS2 but I can't find reviews on it and whether it can OC at all cause it is AB not pure B

Also, anyone know how to get the CPU compatibility bracket, I have a CM Hyper212 X but it says I need to get an AM4 bracket, do I go to the store and ask from them as I bought it from them?

This post has been edited by Moongrave: Apr 17 2017, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(Moongrave @ Apr 17 2017, 10:59 AM)
From Jayacom pricelist, they listed a MSI A320 Gaming Pro for RM 360 but...

https://www.lowyat.net/2017/129400/asus-mal...4-motherboards/

Asus apparently bringing in their A320Prime K for RM 303 but not sure available
My post;

Hey would like to know between the 1400 and 1500x, how much of a difference can I get with the top up 80 Ringgit and if I want to get a basic b350 board, which one is good, budget for mobo 450 max not more than that

I was looking at 350 gaming pro but newegg comment say it is bad and buggy bios, or the asus 350m but same thing on newegg except it is worse with DOA

Also found the Gigabyte AB350 DS2 but I can't find reviews on it and whether it can OC at all cause it is AB not pure B

Also, anyone know how to get the CPU compatibility bracket, I have a CM Hyper212 X but it says I need to get an AM4 bracket, do I go to the store and ask from them as I bought it from them?
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The more expensive u pay, the bigger chance of better oc silicon lottery u will get. I just read some info, seems many ppl who get 1400 even cant oc more than 3.7ghz.
I think u may consider better cpu if u cant afford more a bit price, otherwise please take risk of maybe cant OC higher, somemore 1500X get you larger L3 cache.

Why not consider Asrock mobo, its quality not bad, and also good bios update?

You may try stock fan for OC 1st, cause u wont know how much u can OC till. Maybe decide to get a new bracket after that?
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Is this one ok ?

Ryzen 5 1500X + Gigabyte AB350M-DS2 ?

What's the fastest RAM can support ?

Planned to pair with RX 480 (or RX 580 when it comes out).

Target to complete build by September.
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Is this one ok ?

Ryzen 5 1500X + Gigabyte AB350M-DS2 ?

What's the fastest RAM can support ?

Planned to pair with RX 480 (or RX 580 when it comes out).

Target to complete build by September.
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Check mobo lates memory QVL at official site to confirm, cause every mobo bios will result different of support memory. Same 3000mhz memory would come in different result.

B350 mobo is ok for daily OC usage, if need 24/7, better go to X370.
For B350 chipset, MSI/ASUS/ASROCK > Gigabyte under VRM quality.


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QUOTE(eDwanD @ Apr 17 2017, 05:22 PM)
Check mobo lates memory QVL at official site to confirm, cause every mobo bios will result different of support memory. Same 3000mhz memory would come in different result.

B350 mobo is ok for daily OC usage, if need 24/7, better go to X370.
For B350 chipset, MSI/ASUS/ASROCK > Gigabyte under VRM quality.
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The mobo listed up to 3200 ram but subject to CPU. I think I read somewhere that 1500X may have issues with more than 3000 ram?

I list the mobo aincw it's the cheapest I can find. smile.gif



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