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TSquireyuyue
post Dec 7 2006, 09:21 AM, updated 19y ago

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Recently, a fren of mind encounter a problem. She and her bf decided to get married by next yr, so they have been having sex a few times d but my fren does not really enjoy it. She feel uncomfortable and she said its painful for her bcoz of it.

So, she's been giving excuses and tried to avoid from having sex coz even after she told him the problem, he still insist. Now her bf did not push my fren anymore, but he also did not tok to her. Did not touch her anymore, not even hold her hand!!! he basically just ignore my fren. Not just ignore, he totally pretend as if she's not there!!!! FYI, they're living together and both parents also know about their relationship and the suppose to be coming soon marriage(i dont really know if marriage will take place anymore anot) so their relationship is very very much a serious 1.

haiz....i did not know how i can comfort my fren but i personally disgusted at that guy. I wanna ask my fren to dump him straight out but then i just dun wan push my own opinion on her. Pls give ur opinion on this so i can tell my fren about it.
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post Dec 7 2006, 09:28 AM

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aiya... 1st voter
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post Dec 7 2006, 09:36 AM

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Pity......another girl in delemma becoz of stupid guy.

Guy: u dont give me sex, i dont give u love.
Girl : Is it sex = love?

Me : NO
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post Dec 7 2006, 09:37 AM

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I vote "Yes".

Sex should be enjoy by both partner. I think the guy did not perform very well. tongue.gif whistling.gif
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post Dec 7 2006, 09:38 AM

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Since they're going to get married, why cant he wait?
How long have they been together?
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post Dec 7 2006, 09:40 AM

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maybe he dun have techniques, having passion to learn
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post Dec 7 2006, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 7 2006, 09:38 AM)
Since they're going to get married, why cant he wait?
How long have they been together?
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i think they have been together for more then 1 yrs coz the first time i heard her tok of him is when she went to Thailand for holiday wif his whole family sweat.gif
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post Dec 7 2006, 09:50 AM

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I think to save them, they need the help of counsellor... or somebody to help them talk and unwind and understand each other more into this sex thing. BTW, I'm serious and I'm not joking
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post Dec 7 2006, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 7 2006, 09:38 AM)
Since they're going to get married, why cant he wait?
How long have they been together?
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will there be any difference even after they get married? i'm sure he will ignore her as well. so its better to happen now.
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post Dec 7 2006, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(YLT @ Dec 7 2006, 09:37 AM)
I vote "Yes".

Sex should be enjoy by both partner. I think the guy did not perform very well. tongue.gif  whistling.gif
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i dont think its about technique or wat so ever. i think there r still some ppl out there that dislike sex.

Last week i read from the Star about a married woman in Singapore who ask the court to restrict her husband from having any sex wif her. Coz now she got a baby coz her husband "rape" her while she's asleep sweat.gif . She said that she's still very much in love wif her husband but does not wish to have sex wif him coz its painful for her.

When i first read about that article i feel very funny about it. But then i'm not too sure anymore shakehead.gif

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post Dec 7 2006, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 09:49 AM)
i think they have been together for more then 1 yrs coz the first time i heard her tok of him is when she went to Thailand for holiday wif his whole family sweat.gif
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1 year decide to marry?
Maybe its the guy just trying to "get" her....and now after few times she doesnt give him....

QUOTE(cksoon @ Dec 7 2006, 09:50 AM)
I think to save them, they need the help of counsellor... or somebody to help them talk and unwind and understand each other more into this sex thing. BTW, I'm serious and I'm not joking
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Yeah....should do that..
The guy wants sex more than wants to marry her

QUOTE(scotty @ Dec 7 2006, 09:54 AM)
will there be any difference even after they get married? i'm sure he will ignore her as well. so its better to happen now.
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Well...i guess if they're married atleast she wont reject...

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post Dec 7 2006, 09:57 AM

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Sex is important.

I think your friend hurted her fiancee feeling liao lar. What would a guy think when his fiancee denied him sex or tell him 'having sex with you is painful'. I dont think many guys like to hear that.

How many guys or gal hit it right when they are both first timer? It takes probably 5 or more tries just to get comfortable position. It takes even longer to experience whats feel best.

There's nothing that hurt a guy feeling more than being told you aint performing on bed. The best way to settle sex problem is by having sex. If your friend feel pain, must be lack of foreplay. Just use some lubricant lar or tell your friend to warm herself up first.
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post Dec 7 2006, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(cksoon @ Dec 7 2006, 09:50 AM)
I think to save them, they need the help of counsellor... or somebody to help them talk and unwind and understand each other more into this sex thing. BTW, I'm serious and I'm not joking
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erm......do u know where can i get counsellor?? coz i have no idea at all. I can get my fren to go but i dunno bout her bf on this part. sad.gif

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Wait till the pain is gone then you she'll how important sex is. Then maybe she wants it more than the guy.
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post Dec 7 2006, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 09:55 AM)
i dont think its about technique or wat so ever. i think there r still some ppl out there that dislike sex.

Last week i read from the Star about a married woman in Singapore who ask the court to restrict her husband from having any sex wif her. Coz now she got a baby coz her husband "rape" her while she's asleep sweat.gif . She said that she's still very much in love wif her husband but does not wish to have sex wif him coz its painful for her.

When i first read about that article i feel very funny about it. But then i'm not too sure anymore shakehead.gif
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I believe all girls dislike sex at 1st...coz they're still tight...
After that they wont reject tongue.gif
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post Dec 7 2006, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 09:58 AM)
erm......do u know where can i get counsellor?? coz i have no idea at all. I can get my fren to go but i dunno bout her bf on this part. sad.gif
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I have alot of candidates for cousellor post....
But they're all from church tongue.gif

Your friend wanna talk with them?
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post Dec 7 2006, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 7 2006, 09:57 AM)
1 year decide to marry?
Maybe its the guy just trying to "get" her....and now after few times she doesnt give him....
Yeah....should do that..
The guy wants sex more than wants to marry her
Well...i guess if they're married atleast she wont reject...
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hhmm.......i dont think after marriage will sure no reject. My fren is the kind that very thick head. She hav a mind of her on. You cant just get her to do something else when she already decided sweat.gif
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QUOTE(scotty @ Dec 7 2006, 10:54 AM)
will there be any difference even after they get married? i'm sure he will ignore her as well. so its better to happen now.
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what happen if the couple divorce?
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LOL... thick head or not doesnt matter....
Once she get good sex, she would never forget it...
Demand only gets better from there...
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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 10:02 AM)
hhmm.......i dont think after marriage will sure no reject. My fren is the kind that very thick head. She hav a mind of her on. You cant just get her to do something else when she already decided sweat.gif
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Neah i bet she wont reject so much...

But that back to one point..
The guy wants her or just wants SEX ?
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Yeah, sex needs practice.. The first time is not gonna be perfect.. Dont follow the movies... Let say the girl dump the guy, she still have to learn the techniques of good sex.. Maybe she didnt have enough foreplay.. =P
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 7 2006, 10:01 AM)
I have alot of candidates for cousellor post....
But they're all from church tongue.gif

Your friend wanna talk with them?
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My fren is a Christian so i think it will be very good. I dunno if my fren wanna tok wif them anot but i definately will try and get my fren to tok to 1 since she's now abit afraid of ppl liao.

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The wife need to talk to the husband and discuss the true reason wy she doesnt enjoy sex :

Possible reason
a) The Husband makes no effort to please the wife during sex and only serves to please himself.
>> This could be an unexperienced husband and he might not know that he is not making his wife happy this way.

b) The Wife is not comfortable with sex before marriage.

c) Their relationship is already facing problems before hand and they thought that marriage/sex will solve it for them and make them closer.
The actual result falls short of expectations and so this issue crops up.

talk to a counsellor they can help you.Marriage is not a date or a relationship, marriage is serious and it is meant for people who want to spend their life together thru thick n thin.




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post Dec 7 2006, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 7 2006, 10:06 AM)
Neah i bet she wont reject so much...

But that back to one point..
The guy wants her or just wants SEX ?
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i'm also pondering on that question myself sweat.gif
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well it is painful coz mebe too much frictions.. try use lubricant lo next time..
if first timer then sure pain wan ma.. not get used to it yet and it is still tight. tell ur fren to endure it a few times lor and try to enjoy it. after a few times, she'll carve for it.. lol... just jk.. she should be ok afew times.. i personally feel that if a person really loves another person, even their sex life is ruin, they will still luv each other. but it'll affect their luv life a bit lar.. having sex is just a way to deepen the luv and tighter the bond between couples and of coz to have baby... so if dunwan sex then just find another way to hold this relationship. there are thousands and 1 ways to do so. i think i better tell ur fren to discuss the matter with her future husband.. and for this kind of guy, i think he might have isteri simpanan if they get married and his sex life is ruin. just my 2cents...
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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 10:07 AM)
My fren is a Christian so i think it will be very good. I dunno if my fren wanna tok wif them anot but i definately will try and get my fren to tok to 1 since she's now abit afraid of ppl liao.
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Well if your friend wanna see them, just PM me...

Its better if both of them attend together..
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post Dec 7 2006, 10:14 AM

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anyone know any counselor who is reliable and hav to be woman tongue.gif. Can give me her number?? I wish to ask my fren to call a counsellor but i just dunno where to find 1.
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Tha basic is sex drives man to get a woman. Btw, always remember that forummer opinions shouldn't take as an advice.
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post Dec 7 2006, 10:19 AM

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I dont know why ppl seperate love n sex when they should be together. They already been for a year. Guys who just wanna look for sex goes to pub/disco looks for easy catch. Some just went to brothels. Its not easy being together with someone you dont have feeling for a year.

Tell your friend go n read some sex guide. If her fiancee haf no idea how to please her, she can guide him. Reject him isnt the best solution to this matter. Your friend handle it the wrong way.
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I am surprised there are people who voted NO. how old are you people who voted NO? if you are an adult, you really need to seek professional help because it is unhealthy. and to those people who want to argue that monks and priests don't have sex, the key word is ABSTINENCE. they didn't say it is not important and they didn't say they don't have the urge but dedicated practicse of their religions calls for them to exercise self-control and TO ABSTAIN. some of them lose control too once in a while and that's when you see cases of children and orphans placed under their care being sexually abused. sorry for digressing but I just want to stress the fact that sex is part and parcel of BEING HUMAN.

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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 10:07 AM)
My fren is a Christian so i think it will be very good. I dunno if my fren wanna tok wif them anot but i definately will try and get my fren to tok to 1 since she's now abit afraid of ppl liao.
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erm.. I'm also a Christian... but maybe a very open minded one tongue.gif . I assume both your friend and fiance are Christians? Well... actually... from religious point of view... I guess they'll be told no premarital sex tongue.gif the point is.. still haven't married. but from professional's point of view... try to get more info about that counsellor first. at least.. there's a counsellor, but make sure it's a proper experience one. you can try ask our fellow LYN forumer for help wink.gif all the best and wish your friend and her fiance a happy wedding in the end smile.gif
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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 10:14 AM)
anyone know any counselor who is reliable and hav to be woman tongue.gif. Can give me her number?? I wish to ask my fren to call a counsellor but i just dunno where to find 1.
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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Dec 7 2006, 10:19 AM)
I dont know why ppl seperate love n sex when they should be together. They already been for a year. Guys who just wanna look for sex goes to pub/disco looks for easy catch. Some just went to brothels. Its not easy being together with someone you dont have feeling for a year.

Tell your friend go n read some sex guide. If her fiancee haf no idea how to please her, she can guide him. Reject him isnt the best solution to this matter. Your friend handle it the wrong way.
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Remeber one thing....
Christianity says no to pre-marital sex..

And premarital sex is wrong to me...but aint to u...
I'd say your quote "your friend handle it the wrong way" is wrong for me....
But its correct at your point of view...

quireyuyue give me your friend's number....i will ask my friend to call her.
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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Dec 7 2006, 10:19 AM)
I dont know why ppl seperate love n sex when they should be together. They already been for a year. Guys who just wanna look for sex goes to pub/disco looks for easy catch. Some just went to brothels. Its not easy being together with someone you dont have feeling for a year.

Tell your friend go n read some sex guide. If her fiancee haf no idea how to please her, she can guide him. Reject him isnt the best solution to this matter. Your friend handle it the wrong way.
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Yaya, agreed... Why everytime blame a guy when a relationship gone wrong bcoz of the S word... Girls play a role too..
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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 7 2006, 10:27 AM)
I am surprised there are people who voted NO. how old are you people who voted NO? if you are an adult, you really need to seek professional help because it is unhealthy. and to those people who want to argue that monks and priests don't have sex, the key word is ABSTINENCE. they didn't say it is not important and they didn't say they don't have the urge but dedicated  practicse of their religions calls for them to exercise self-control and TO ABSTAIN. some of them lose control too once in a while and that's when you see cases of children and orphans placed under their care being sexually abused. sorry for digressing but I just want to stress the fact that sex is part and parcel of BEING HUMAN.
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If they eat, they would get sick or get fat.

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 7 2006, 10:30 AM)
Remeber one thing....
Christianity says no to pre-marital sex..

And premarital sex is wrong to me...but aint to u...
I'd say your quote "your friend handle it the wrong way" is wrong for me....
But its correct at your point of view...

quireyuyue give me your friend's number....i will ask my friend to call her.
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wrong in what sense? there is nothing inherently wrong with sex. Sex is biologically and physically right. there is no wrong. marriage is a concept created by human society. marriage is not absolute. your sense that premarital sex is wrong stems from your religious belief and ethical values. it is ETHICALLY WRONG in your book but don't make a blanket statement that pre-marital sex is simply wrong.
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QUOTE(GunMetalX @ Dec 7 2006, 10:30 AM)
Yaya, agreed... Why everytime blame a guy when a relationship gone wrong bcoz of the S word... Girls play a role too..
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well will u stay wif your gf or even marry her if she told u, u cannot have sex together??? unsure.gif Lots of guys just walk out of a relationship just bcoz girls say no. While lots of girls just totally ok w/o sex but guys......... blink.gif
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 7 2006, 10:33 AM)
Humans need to eat inorder to sustain life.
But humans doesnt needs to eat when they're still full...
If they eat, they would get sick or get fat.

Tell me u understand my story.
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I understand your story but it is up to the individual to decide when he is full. you may think that person is getting fatter because he is already full in your book or is eating more than you but that person could still be hungry while you are not but we can all certainly agree WE ALL NEED TO EAT. I hope you understand my story too. tongue.gif

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hey. we can now practice astinence for the rest of our lives already, thanks to in vitro fertilization. no need to have sexual intercourse to have children. more karma points added, more tickets to heaven. yay

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QUOTE(cksoon @ Dec 7 2006, 10:29 AM)
erm.. I'm also a Christian... but maybe a very open minded one tongue.gif . I assume both your friend and fiance are Christians? Well... actually... from religious point of view... I guess they'll be told no premarital sex  tongue.gif  the point is.. still haven't married. but from professional's point of view... try to get more info about that counsellor first. at least.. there's a counsellor, but make sure it's a proper experience one. you can try ask our fellow LYN forumer for help wink.gif all the best and wish your friend and her fiance a happy wedding in the end  smile.gif
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thanx, i'm also hoping for the best for her smile.gif
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last time i read a news, saying tat a new couple are not enjoying while they r having sex..
the wife feel pain everything her husband have sex with her..
so they both went to see doctor, finally they found out the reason, reason why she feel so much pain..
is becuz the husband went in the wrong hole shocking.gif



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post Dec 7 2006, 10:58 AM

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Christian or not, does it matter now? Right or wrong does it matter now?
What happened cant be turned back. Whether christian allows or doesnt allows pre-marital sex is totally not related. The couple is having a face-off becos they are not having pleasure in sex and one thing lead to another which end in a stalemate. The starting point of this stalemate is becos the gal complaint about the guys ability on bed. Thats definately not something you can convince someone using speech alone. It still haunt the guy. He's eager to prove it that he can do it.

I dont think the guy wanna hear anything not having pre-marital sex or whatsoever related to it. All he's eager to do now is to prove that he excel on bed too.
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I think the gal should c doctor for some advise..I think mostly gals do like having sex wert....
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that's the problem with SOME guys, they are not gentle and understanding enough about women's feeling...sigh
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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Dec 7 2006, 10:58 AM)
Christian or not, does it matter now? Right or wrong does it matter now?
What happened cant be turned back. Whether christian allows or doesnt allows pre-marital sex is totally not related. The couple is having a face-off becos they are not having pleasure in sex and one thing lead to another which end in a stalemate. The starting point of this stalemate is becos the gal complaint about the guys ability on bed. Thats definately not something you can convince someone using speech alone. It still haunt the guy. He's eager to prove it that he can do it.

I dont think the guy wanna hear anything not having pre-marital sex or whatsoever related to it. All he's eager to do now is to prove that he excel on bed too.
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I get your point..

U need sex, not wife tongue.gif
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Painful sex? It's a medical condition,albeit sometimes exaggerated. Seek counselling and do go for a hospital checkup. I see no reason why sex should be avoided for life.
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LOL..
Why you love to seperate sex with everything?
Try see a bigger picture lar..
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I think wat lAh0S saying is true...
He's the onli 1 giving a sound advice.
The 1 important thing we're forgotting here is EGO!
I dun noe the guy mentioned, but there r a lot of guys tat hav a big ego.
so, in other words... not performing well i bed, being rejected by his soul mate, etc.
I think it all really depends on how they(the couple) communicate, n try 2 find a solution...
So, if its safe to assume, i guess things got hot when they're trying to reason, so it bcomes an argument. Things tend to b like this. sad.gif

I think i'm Bul!sh!tting here. but the advice is the same everytime.
Sex is about 2 souls bonding, so its hard 4 a 3rd party 2 intervene o teach so 2 say... except they r into 3sum o 4sum o exhibitionism... blush.gif
Communicate, Cherish, Forgive n Forget.

Juz my 2 centz...

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well.. 4 my opinion.. both of them should sit down and talk first, i mean tell each other wat r they thinking and... try to over come this problem. coz personally if the person living wit u itself ignore u means, itz realy hurtz...

well... i think itz not a big matter here... dun be ego lo.... vmad.gif
try to show some Love.... He will understand ur frenz feeling ok.
If the situation is still the same means.... they better Broke it lo...


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Who separated sex from everything? ~_~
Au contraire, why stay in a relationship that's incomplete?
Why did the Singaporean woman still love her husband even if she knows their relationship cannot be complete?
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post Dec 7 2006, 11:23 AM

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That is sad, the woman will not enjoy a full sex life.

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communication is the key, listen to as many advice as possible and take the suitable advice only, it still depends on how much both of them want to keep their relationship

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last time i read a news, saying tat a new couple are not enjoying while they r having sex..
the wife feel pain everything her husband have sex with her..
so they both went to see doctor, finally they found out the reason, reason why she feel so much pain..
is becuz the husband went in the wrong hole shocking.gif
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shocking.gif thats a........very shocking news shocking.gif
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i guess they shud sit down n tok... she shud tell her is painful n mayb he can b more gentle or sumthing... if they dun tok he won't know the situation n she is the one who is facing it alone while he is angry of her or sumthing... sooo bacially communication is a crucial factor i guess...if he still dun understand n wants his way instead...den this guy is NOT WORTH IT!!!!
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...from all the posts thus far, I think the gist is about COMMUNICATION.

Egoistic or not, that will depends on how the message is conveyed.

From what I can see, both party in question has their right and wrong. The girl rejected her fiancee advances because of the pain. Her fiancee is cold towards her because of her rejection.

Is it about sex? or is it not all about sex?

IMHO, the couple in question is not matured enough to handle such issues. And reason behind everything else, maybe due to;
1. The girl is inexperience,
2. So is the guy,
3. No open communication to find out each other's feeling regarding their intimacy preference.

So, the question now is, should both party retreats to their corners and hide. Pray and hope that the problem will go away. Or they could step out from hiding and confront the issue together.

What do you think?

Don't jump into conclusion too fast as there's always underlying factors. In this problem, is it sex or is it communication?

Marriage is about passion, sharing, compromise and caring through whatever circumstance. However, the general view falls short with passion and sharing...
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no healthy sex life = kiss goodbye to ur marriage
the problem is not with the guy, but with the girl
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sorrie to saz that "uncomfortable and painful" its a pathetic excuse... its more a "mental" problem then "physical" problem. even how right it is, when mentally not prepare then going to dead end...

yup, partially agree that pre-marital sex is not agreeable much, but need to agree that sex also do bring out the whole relationship and how far it will go...

cant tell the whole real story from TS, but i would saz the girl is selfish, she need to let him know wheres the problem comes from, if its a physical problem, then she can seek adviced and discuss / discover with him to solve the problem, but dont think thats the case. if she is not prepare herself, at 1st place it shouldnt have done it. there is a different saying no at 1st (not doing it) then saying no / give excuse after a few times / tries...

i would not saz that guy is all right, he can do a great part too, but as i saz TS story cant tell the whole story, as we are hearing from 1 point of view...

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i think everyone has physical needs... juz on a how much level... but guys shud understand gals..n gals shud oso understand guys...common guys got a HIGH LEVEL of sex drive...GUYS WILL B GUYS rite... but if the guy juz wanna b wif a gal juz for SEX...den he is THRASH!!!
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I voted no. Sex is just one way to make a relationship bloom, but without it, my relationship with my BF doesn't just fall around my ears. I am with my BF for almost 3 years, but we never have sex also. 3 years leh... if ever getting married also need to wait 5 more years. So without sex, he will leave me? Then let him leave la... he is then not worth it. I agree that communication is the key to a good healty relationship, and add fun and love mah enuff lor.

Coming back to the threadstarter's post... I think the guy is an a$$hole (IMHO), and after reading all the posts, seemed that alot of people is supporting the guy. I would have told the girl: Leave him. If you have to accomodate his ego, and his ego is so super inflated and all he can think of is himself, he is not worth the sacrifice. Just tell him God gave him two hands, ask him to make love to those hands la.

Then I look at the guy side and wonder what could he have done when his gf told him: I don't want to have sex with you.

Hmmm... He could just apologise and say sorry, and say he'll wait till she is ready (because she will want to have sex one day and she will come to him). If he really loves her, he will wait. If he doesn't, you know where this is heading la.

Or maybe he got those words so thrown blatantly into his face that he doesn't know how to react, so still in a shock. Haha.

Are they still living together?

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Totally agree woth lucifer_light. Love shouldn't be built on sex. Sex merely complements love. You don't love someone for sex do you? I frankly did not expect so many people to vote YES as I thought Malaysians somewhat knew better. I guess I was wrong.

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But from wat TS mentioned is, they both agreed in having sex...
n after which it did happened... the gal felt pain n couldnt continue with it.. its not like the guy force himself onto her, tat's called rape BTW. Its not about pre-marital sex anymore....

Ego is a thing everybody has, it depends how it is vented out, guys hav dignity in stuff like sex, cause it rates how manly he is. LOL

EDIT: Forgot to mention clearly... think this is about hurting the man's feeling.
Wat do u suppose if us men hurt u gals feelings... not gud izzit?

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i agree with Lucifer_Light. rclxms.gif

i think in this case, the guy is so childish. just because the gf doesn't want to have sex with him, doesn't mean that he shud treating her like a total stranger. his action is really saying "No sex, no love, not even friendship". his mentality is like mayb of a 12 year old kid. i bet some kids are even more rational than him.
i know dat it hurts him dat his gf doesn't want to have sex wid him. but a sane adult will usually think "Y is she not having sex wid me?" or ask her wots the matter instead of just ignoring the gf. shakehead.gif
or maybe this is just his way to pressure his gf to give in & have sex wid him again. pls tell ur fren not to do so... being pressured into sex is just no differrent than rape sad.gif

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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 7 2006, 10:27 AM)
I am surprised there are people who voted NO. how old are you people who voted NO? if you are an adult, you really need to seek professional help because it is unhealthy. and to those people who want to argue that monks and priests don't have sex, the key word is ABSTINENCE. they didn't say it is not important and they didn't say they don't have the urge but dedicated  practicse of their religions calls for them to exercise self-control and TO ABSTAIN. some of them lose control too once in a while and that's when you see cases of children and orphans placed under their care being sexually abused. sorry for digressing but I just want to stress the fact that sex is part and parcel of BEING HUMAN.
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I agreed with u! Sex must be enjoy by both partner and I strongly encourage the Thread Starter to advise her friend to seek Doctor help. Having sex should not subject to pain unless something wrong with it. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Lucifer_Light @ Dec 7 2006, 11:50 AM)
I voted no. Sex is just one way to make a relationship bloom, but without it, my relationship with my BF doesn't just fall around my ears. I am with my BF for almost 3 years, but we never have sex also. 3 years leh... if ever getting married also need to wait 5 more years. So without sex, he will leave me? Then let him leave la... he is then not worth it. I agree that communication is the key to a good healty relationship, and add fun and love mah enuff lor.

Coming back to the threadstarter's post... I think the guy is an a$$hole (IMHO), and after reading all the posts, seemed that alot of people is supporting the guy. I would have told the girl: Leave him. If you have to accomodate his ego, and his ego is so super inflated and all he can think of is himself, he is not worth the sacrifice. Just tell him God gave him two hands, ask him to make love to those hands la.

Then I look at the guy side and wonder what could he have done when his gf told him: I don't want to have sex with you.

Hmmm... He could just apologise and say sorry, and say he'll wait till she is ready (because she will want to have sex one day and she will come to him). If he really loves her, he will wait. If he doesn't, you know where this is heading la.

Or maybe he got those words so thrown blatantly into his face that he doesn't know how to react, so still in a shock. Haha.

Are they still living together?
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Yea agreed with u..

Anyway lets not talk about "is it right or wrong for premarital sex" or the guy's egoism....

Lets talk about RESPECT....
The girl obviously WAS virgin and the guy probably wasnt...but thats not the point.

They havent get married now and the girl complaints it hurts when during intercourse....
And the guy is angry for she dont want to have anymore...and neglecting her..

Love isnt sex (but some says it is).....but love also is respect

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Ya... agreed wif the men being childish~
but how could we really help??
Sum1 as immature as the guy is, how can we drill sumthing so... how'd u say tat... ermm... MATURE?? LOL tongue.gif

Its still a problem of communication.. dun think they communicate well n right

EDIT: Wacky~ Love is Respect, Sex is too Respect... I think the guy din respect the gal during intercourse.. too rough? LOL sweat.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(Dragonflyz @ Dec 7 2006, 12:40 PM)
Ya... agreed wif the men being childish~
but how could we really help??
Sum1 as immature as the guy is, how can we drill sumthing so... how'd u say tat... ermm... MATURE?? LOL tongue.gif

Its still a problem of communication.. dun think they communicate well n right

EDIT: Wacky~ Love is Respect, Sex is too Respect... I think the guy din respect the gal during intercourse.. too rough? LOL sweat.gif  doh.gif
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I see the communication very well..
The guy is in charge tongue.gif

Guy : i want sex
Girl : No...very pain
Guy : turns away
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It would be a great help if that man will just push his bloody ego down, swallow his stupidity and gather his courage to at least speak to his GF. From what I interpreted from TS post, I think the girl wants to talk, but the guy doesn't. So it is about time the guy put in some effort into their relationship and not just doing the taking only.

And he'll need advices on how to please a girl *grin*

OMG, I'm actually giving love advices! (go hide)
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rclxms.gif i agree lo... Sex is a part of our live.... Both make Love to show how much they Love each another... wub.gif


But Both Party must Hapy wit that relationship lo...
well, i dun know whether Ur fren, doesnt like Sex or, she is ignoring bcoz itz pain ??

ha.. If after marriage Pain then how ?? Divorce a ??
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hhhmm....... they did talk about it b4. Her bf did try to do it better. According to my fren, they did try foreplay and eveyrthing but still nothing work out. So........
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QUOTE(kathyasir @ Dec 7 2006, 01:08 PM)
rclxms.gif  i agree lo... Sex is a part of our live.... Both make Love to show how much they Love each another...  wub.gif 
But Both Party must Hapy wit that relationship lo...
well, i dun know whether Ur fren, doesnt like Sex or, she is ignoring bcoz itz pain ??

ha.. If after marriage Pain then how ?? Divorce a ??
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Ah.....then those hookers much have got alot of "love" from thier customer....
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 7 2006, 01:26 PM)
Ah.....then those hookers much have got alot of "love" from thier customer....
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I'm talking bout People that R couplez...
I mean Loving..

Not Hookerz or wat.. ok....
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QUOTE(kathyasir @ Dec 7 2006, 01:39 PM)
I'm talking bout People that R couplez...
I mean Loving..

Not Hookerz or wat.. ok....
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Hahaha...your so wrong.....
Love isnt judge by how much they make love to each other...

Ok then, i will just find a gf and just have sex with her and thats all only...
Everyday sex atleast 2 times...

Does that means i "love" her so much?
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ok..ok...

I'm not here to argue ok...

My mistake..

But my meaning is not that ok...
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QUOTE(Lucifer_Light @ Dec 7 2006, 11:50 AM)
I voted no. Sex is just one way to make a relationship bloom, but without it, my relationship with my BF doesn't just fall around my ears. I am with my BF for almost 3 years, but we never have sex also. 3 years leh... if ever getting married also need to wait 5 more years. So without sex, he will leave me? Then let him leave la... he is then not worth it. I agree that communication is the key to a good healty relationship, and add fun and love mah enuff lor.

Coming back to the threadstarter's post... I think the guy is an a$$hole (IMHO), and after reading all the posts, seemed that alot of people is supporting the guy. I would have told the girl: Leave him. If you have to accomodate his ego, and his ego is so super inflated and all he can think of is himself, he is not worth the sacrifice. Just tell him God gave him two hands, ask him to make love to those hands la.

Then I look at the guy side and wonder what could he have done when his gf told him: I don't want to have sex with you.

Hmmm... He could just apologise and say sorry, and say he'll wait till she is ready (because she will want to have sex one day and she will come to him). If he really loves her, he will wait. If he doesn't, you know where this is heading la.

Or maybe he got those words so thrown blatantly into his face that he doesn't know how to react, so still in a shock. Haha.

Are they still living together?
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three years together with no sex? most men would have dumped you already. there must be something wrong with your man. I am not being derisive. there is really something wrong with your man. either that, or he really love you a lot and can't bear to leave you despite not being able to enjoy sexual intimacy and pleasure with you. the biggest likelihood is he is getting it somewhere else. it is a very serious possibility. no healthy, normal adult man who have already experienced sex and interested in having a relationship with woman can go without sex for three years. you are just giving him ground for cheating on you. it is very likely he is already doing it and nobody would blame him. you are just being silly to think men can go without sex for three years. mark my words!

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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 7 2006, 02:22 PM)
three years together with no sex? most men would have dumped you already. there must be something wrong with your man. I am not being derisive. there is really something wrong with your man.  either that, or he really love you a lot and can't bear to leave you despite not being able to enjoy sexual intimacy and pleasure with you. the biggest likelihood is he is getting it somewhere else. it is a very serious possibility. no healthy, normal adult man who have already experienced sex and interested in having a relationship with woman can go without sex for three years. you are just giving him ground for cheating on you. it is very likely he is already doing it and nobody would blame him. you are just being silly to think men can go without sex for three years. mark my words!
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i think what is said r very rude. I personally think if a guy truly in love wif their girl, they will respect the girls decision. i dont think all guys r really sex maniac like you who cannot go on w/o sex. Guys tat cheat on girls just becoz of the sex issues is just someone who is not worth it mad.gif

Lucifer, i totally agree on ur opinion and they r still living together sweat.gif

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@quireyuyue,
are you living in a fantasy world? Did you watch one Korean romance dramas too many? come back to the real world. ordinary people need sexual pleasure, even if it is masturbation. rude? I am just being honest. I didn't say the girl must have sex with the guy everytime the guy demand it. but go WITHOUT SEX FOR THREE YEARS in a relationship is ABNORMAL. rude or not rude is just a matter of how frank and honest I am. what kind of normal people in a relationship go without sex for three years? what exactly is so scary about sex? sex is as important as food, so say the old Chinese proverb... EAT AND SEX IS PRIORITY.. if you don't know, go ask your parents. you can claimed that you are tired or you are not in the mood but how can someone not feel the urge to have sex FOR THREE YEARS? I stand by what I have said. sex and love is two different things. yes, you can expect a guy to love a girl and bear with her desire not to have sex. but to expect the same guy to totally forgo sex just because the girl he love don't like sex is just silly, immature and ridiculous. there is always an exception but miss lucifer light seem to think that sex is not important in a relationship and that is totally wrong. REFUSAL OF SEX has even been accepted by court as a legitimate ground for filing for divorce. come back to the real world, please!

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Sanook...
Read the earlier post~
There was sum1 mentioned Abstinence
If u dunno wat's the meaning... google is ur fren.
BTW... i'm replying cause its not helping by posting this crap~
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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 7 2006, 02:22 PM)
three years together with no sex? most men would have dumped you already. there must be something wrong with your man. I am not being derisive. there is really something wrong with your man. either that, or he really love you a lot and can't bear to leave you despite not being able to enjoy sexual intimacy and pleasure with you. the biggest likelihood is he is getting it somewhere else. it is a very serious possibility. no healthy, normal adult man who have already experienced sex and interested in having a relationship with woman can go without sex for three years. you are just giving him ground for cheating on you. it is very likely he is already doing it and nobody would blame him. you are just being silly to think men can go without sex for three years. mark my words!
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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 7 2006, 03:40 PM)
@quireyuyue,
are you living in a fantasy world? Did you watch one Korean romance dramas too many? come back to the real world. ordinary people need sexual pleasure, even if it is masturbation. rude? I am just being honest. I didn't say the girl must have sex with the guy everytime the guy demand it. but go WITHOUT SEX FOR THREE YEARS in a relationship is ABNORMAL. rude or not rude is just a matter of how frank and honest I am. what kind of normal people in a relationship go without sex for three years? what exactly is so scary about sex? sex is as important as food, so say the old Chinese proverb... EAT AND SEX IS PRIORITY.. if you don't know, go ask your parents. you can claimed that you are tired or you are not in the mood but how can someone not feel the urge to have sex FOR THREE YEARS? I stand by what I have said. sex and love is two different things. yes, you can expect a guy to love a girl and bear with her desire not to have sex. but to expect the same guy to totally forgo sex just because the girl he love don't like sex is just silly, immature and ridiculous. there is always an exception but miss lucifer light seem to think that sex is not important in a relationship and that is totally wrong. REFUSAL OF SEX has even been accepted by court as a legitimate ground for filing for divorce. come back to the real world, please!
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U guys are crazy....up to extend of stupid...

DO NOT , i say again DO NOT remark ppl ABNORMAL becoz u think that is normal for u.


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I guess sanook belongs in the Secular humanism

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Ah.....we dont need marriage anymore...
We need Free Love
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Sanook...
Read the earlier post~
There was sum1 mentioned Abstinence
If u dunno wat's the meaning... google is ur fren.
BTW... i'm replying cause its not helping by posting this crap~
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if you bother to read all the posts before you shoot your mouth off, you will realise I have used the term Abstinence in my first post in this thread. don't try to be patronising about something you don't understand and make yourself look dumb. holding off for a few weeks are acceptable but to forgo sex for three years is ridiculous. this kind of abstinence is only restricted to monks and priests and incidentally the term abstinence has a strong religious overtones as ordinary normal people do not abstain from sex for such a long period of time, not even in ancient China.
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U guys are crazy....up to extend of stupid...

DO NOT , i say again DO NOT remark ppl ABNORMAL becoz u think that is normal for u.
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just go to a doctor or ask if it is mentally healthy to be deprived of sexual pleasure for so long. wake up from your fantasy world, girl!
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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 7 2006, 04:41 PM)
if you bother to read all the posts before you shoot your mouth off, you will realise I have used the term Abstinence in my first post in this thread. don't try to be patronising about something you don't understand and make yourself look dumb. holding off for a few weeks are acceptable but to forgo sex for three years is ridiculous. this kind of abstinence is only restricted to monks and priests and incidentally the term abstinence has a strong religious overtones as ordinary normal people do not abstain from sex for such a long period of time, not even in ancient China.
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My book says premarital is wrong..
Your book says its correct..

End of story....
Nothing to argue and dont need to argue....
Ofcourse humans has desires....and because of that, many bad things happens...eg AIDS, HIV, RAPE, etc etc etc....

Oh dont give me reasons "if prostitutes is legal, then nobody will rape women"..
Or stupid penang court reasons like "its the womens fault to wear sexy thats why we look at it"
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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 7 2006, 04:43 PM)
just go to a doctor or ask if it is mentally healthy to be deprived of sexual pleasure for so long. wake up from your fantasy world, girl!
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Doctor : U will die if u dont have sex
sanook : OMG i must have sex!!!!
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Oh and i guess next rapist would say this
rapist : I raped that girl for i will die if i dont, its my right to be mentally healthy..
Judge : Oh then u are not guilty....

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I guess sanook belongs in the Secular humanism
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despite my agreement with your description, I find your attempt to pigeonhole me meaningless and ridiculous. The desire for sex and food are part and parcel of human nature. Religion is not. Sex and Food are important for the survival and propagation of living things. Religion is not. Human beings NEED SEX AND FOOD to survive and continue to exist. Human beings do not need religion for anything other than spiritual comfort. To pigeonhole me but differentiating my thinking from other form of thinking that derives from religion is therefore, totally meaningless and ridiculous.
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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 7 2006, 04:50 PM)
despite my agreement with your description, I find your attempt to pigeonhole me meaningless and ridiculous. The desire for sex and food are part and parcel of human nature. Religion is not. Sex and Food are important for the survival and propagation of living things. Religion is not. Human beings NEED SEX AND FOOD to survive and continue to exist. Human beings do not need religion for anything other than spiritual comfort. To pigeonhole me but differentiating my thinking from other form of thinking that derives from religion is therefore, totally meaningless and ridiculous.
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Your book and mine is different...

I need religion and u dont..
I have a God whislt u think u are the god.
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 7 2006, 04:48 PM)
Doctor : U will die if u dont have sex
sanook : OMG i must have sex!!!!
WaCKy-Angel : roflmao

Edit : typo
Oh and i guess next rapist would say this
rapist : I raped that girl for i will die if i dont, its my right to be mentally healthy..
Judge : Oh then u are not guilty....
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I am pretty sure your boyfriend is having sex with other girls. it is part and parcel of human nature and he is completely faultless.
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sex without love is selfish
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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 7 2006, 04:51 PM)
I am pretty sure your boyfriend is having sex with other girls. it is part and parcel of human nature and he is completely faultless.
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QUOTE(Christopher_LKL @ Dec 7 2006, 04:55 PM)
sex without love is selfish
love without sex will become saturated
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saturated?
wats that dude?
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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 7 2006, 04:50 PM)
despite my agreement with your description, I find your attempt to pigeonhole me meaningless and ridiculous. The desire for sex and food are part and parcel of human nature. Religion is not. Sex and Food are important for the survival and propagation of living things. Religion is not. Human beings NEED SEX AND FOOD to survive and continue to exist. Human beings do not need religion for anything other than spiritual comfort. To pigeonhole me but differentiating my thinking from other form of thinking that derives from religion is therefore, totally meaningless and ridiculous.
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this statement i fully agree with sanook..
eat sleep sex is the same thing..
religion wealth is categories in another..

eat sleep sex.. is human nature.. we need it to survive

p/s u dun sex.. even dream will do it for u icon_idea.gif
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WaCKy-Angel a gal? got pms? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(SanosukeSagara @ Dec 7 2006, 05:00 PM)
this statement i fully agree with sanook..
eat sleep sex is the same thing..
religion wealth is categories in another..

eat sleep sex.. is human nature.. we need it to survive

p/s u dun sex.. even dream will do it for u  icon_idea.gif
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Yup thats why rapist shouldnt be jailed.
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sanook, pls... i cant bear to read ur posts. u r saying as if not having sex in a bgr is wrong. i think there's nothing wrong with it at all. unless to say that they're married & they're not having sex. just because it is mentally unhealthy not to have sex according to ur facts, doesn't mean that a person must have sex. are u trying to say that every man who's not having sex with his gf is cheating on her?
pls do not stereotype others to ur own ugly perception. because if wot u saying is a fact, i think man are no different from animals who cant control their urge
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QUOTE(chachachaaa @ Dec 7 2006, 05:08 PM)
sanook, pls... i cant bear to read ur posts. u r saying as if not having sex in a bgr is wrong. i think there's nothing wrong with it at all. unless to say that they're married & they're not having sex. just because it is mentally unhealthy not to have sex according to ur facts, doesn't mean that a person must have sex. are u trying to say that every man who's not having sex with his gf is cheating on her?
pls do not stereotype others to ur own ugly perception. because if wot u saying is a fact, i think man are no different from animals who cant control their urge
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U are wrong lah...
He didnt said its wrong...
He said its ABNORMAL....just like he is. thumbup.gif

Ok now...i didnt said that he's a dog (biatch)
U did lolz tongue.gif

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This really got out of hand...
I do agree both sides.. they got their points straight~
BUT
Its in the eyes of the beholder
This should end here..
Let stop the arguement n help the TS pls.. smile.gif

P/S Sry Sanook... din mean to take wat u've said... juz i saw earlier n lazy 2 check who wrote it...

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QUOTE(Dragonflyz @ Dec 7 2006, 05:13 PM)
This really got out of hand...
I do agree both sides.. they got their points straight~
BUT
Its in the eyes of the beholder
This should end here..
Let stop the arguement n help the TS pls.. smile.gif

P/S Sry Sanook... din mean to take wat u've said... juz i saw n lazy 2 check who wrote it...
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Gave my friend's hp to her...
Its up to her friend to call my friend for counselling
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 7 2006, 05:03 PM)
Shhhhh.......
I've got "wings"
Yup thats why rapist shouldnt be jailed.
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u got the wrong concept
jz like eating.. if u steal to eat ppl food u shud be jail..
hv sex.. steal to hav sex with the one dun giv u, u oso need to be jailed..

think broader dude
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your friend need to practise karmasutra
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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 09:55 AM)
i dont think its about technique or wat so ever. i think there r still some ppl out there that dislike sex.

Last week i read from the Star about a married woman in Singapore who ask the court to restrict her husband from having any sex wif her. Coz now she got a baby coz her husband "rape" her while she's asleep sweat.gif . She said that she's still very much in love wif her husband but does not wish to have sex wif him coz its painful for her.

When i first read about that article i feel very funny about it. But then i'm not too sure anymore shakehead.gif
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her husband is stupid & selfish. his wife sleeping & he forced his s***t into her h**e, sure la his wife feel painful coz her h**e not wet yet. he should control himself first & aroused his wife by doing a lot of foreplay first & saying notty words. he must keep on doing it 'till her h**e is really wet & she needs his s***t badly. then only sex intercourse starts. drool.gif

QUOTE(lAh0S @ Dec 7 2006, 09:57 AM)
Sex is important.

I think your friend hurted her fiancee feeling liao lar. What would a guy think when his fiancee denied him sex or tell him 'having sex with you is painful'. I dont think many guys like to hear that.

How many guys or gal hit it right when they are both first timer? It takes probably 5 or more tries just to get comfortable position. It takes even longer to experience whats feel best.

There's nothing that hurt a guy feeling more than being told you aint performing on bed. The best way to settle sex problem is by having sex. If your friend feel pain, must be lack of foreplay. Just use some lubricant lar or tell your friend to warm herself up first.
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ye la.... like watching xx films first. she's still young, no need to use lubricant la.. she's got her own love juice. drool.gif

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QUOTE(6650 @ Dec 7 2006, 05:18 PM)
your friend need to practise karmasutra
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true... kamasutra teaches to treat women comfortably...

to TS if she dun let him. he shudnt be like tat.. so not gentleman..

cant satisfied his need pay money to find prostitute la.. see ur friend dare not dun wan hv sex? ahahahaha
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QUOTE(KingCobra @ Dec 7 2006, 05:20 PM)
her husband is stupid & selfish. his wife sleeping & he forced his s***t into her h**e, sure la his wife feel painful coz her h**e not wet yet. he should control himself first & aroused his wife by doing a lot of foreplay first & saying notty words. he must keep on doing it 'till her h**e is  really wet & she needs his s***t badly. then only sex intercourse starts. drool.gif
ye la.... like watching xx films first. she's still young, no need to use lubricant la.. she's got her own love juice. drool.gif
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They guy isnt her husband...

She said they planned to get married...
Not even engaged...

Its just simply plain talking.
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QUOTE(SanosukeSagara @ Dec 7 2006, 05:15 PM)
u got the wrong concept
jz like eating.. if u steal to eat ppl food u shud be jail..
hv sex.. steal to hav sex with the one dun giv u, u oso need to be jailed..

think broader dude
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Geez.....
So now stealing is wrong, forcing is right.

Raping women is wrong, neglect/ignore gf that dont want to have intercourse is right...

Gosh im so ABNORMAL

QUOTE(SanosukeSagara @ Dec 7 2006, 05:21 PM)
true... kamasutra teaches to treat women comfortably...

to TS if she dun let him. he shudnt be like tat.. so not gentleman..

cant satisfied his need pay money to find prostitute la.. see ur friend dare not dun wan hv sex? ahahahaha
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Women is nothing more than a sex machine
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duh... wacky angel is hard headed..
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 7 2006, 05:22 PM)
They guy isnt her husband...

She said they planned to get married...
Not even engaged...

Its just simply plain talking.
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i was talking about de couple in singapore as written in de star newspaper, quoted by 1 of de forummers here. smile.gif
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 7 2006, 05:24 PM)
Geez.....
So now stealing is wrong, forcing is right.

Raping women is wrong, neglect/ignore gf that dont want to have intercourse is right...

Gosh im so ABNORMAL
*interpretaion*
Women is nothing more than a sex machine
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aiyo.. don't say like dat la. without women, mens life is not complete. the world is a dull place, lifeless without women. i respect women very much coz i need sex from women. smile.gif
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QUOTE(SanosukeSagara @ Dec 7 2006, 05:25 PM)
duh... wacky angel is hard headed..
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 7 2006, 05:03 PM)
Shhhhh.......
I've got "wings"
Yup thats why rapist shouldnt be jailed.
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before this comment, i thought you are just young and inexperience and cheeky. but now I think you are really dumb. your cheekiness is misplaced and make you looks stupid. nobody ever mention rape here. rape involve an element of force and violence and should never be condoned. but the basic urge to engage in sexual contact with members of the opposite sex is as human as eat and sleep. we may understand and can even relate to the urge of the rapist but we do not condone violent imposition of sexual urges on others. there is a difference. you deliberately deprive your boyfriend of sex. but he is normal. he needs sex but he probably like you too much to leave you. so the next natural thing for him is to look for other outlets. there is absolutely no mention of violence. stop being stupid and immature here.

@chachachaaa,
you are being immature and silly and even stupid to think it is a stereotype. what you believe is true probably comes from Mills and Boon brand of eternal, everlasting, heart-breaking love or all those Korean dramas. I believe in love too but to go without sex for three years even though you are in a relationship with a girl is ridiculous. the question that beg to be asked, exactly what is so wrong with sex that the girl refuse to get sexually intimate so much? there must be a big problem in the relationship if it is go on for three years without sexual intimacy. the boy will start thinking and asking, you love me but you don't want to get close to me? I can understand. it may be your first time, you feel uncomfortable. but uncomfortable for three years? why? sex is dirty to you? sex is traumatic? were you a rape victim before? there must be some extenuating circumstances to explain why a healthy couple in a health relationship never engage in sexual intimacy and if there is absolutely nothing wrong, there is absolutely no reason why the couple is not having sex.

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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 7 2006, 05:38 PM)
before this comment, i thought you are just young and inexperience and cheeky. but now I think you are really dumb. your cheekiness is misplaced and make you looks stupid. nobody ever mention rape here. rape involve an element of force and violence and should never be condoned. but the basic urge to engage in sexual contact with members of the opposite sex is as human as eat and sleep. we may understand and can even relate to the urge of the rapist but we do not condone violent imposition of sexual urges on others. there is a difference. you deliberately deprive your boyfriend of sex. but he is normal. he needs sex but he probably like you too much to leave you. so the next natural thing for him is to look for other outlets. there is absolutely no mention of violence. stop being stupid and immature here.

@chachachaaa,
you are being immature and silly and even stupid to think it is a stereotype. what you believe is true probably comes from Mills and Boon eternal, everlasting, heart-breaking love. I believe in love too but to go without sex for three years even though you are in a relationship with a girl is ridiculous. the question that beg to be asked, exactly what is so wrong with sex that the girl refuse to get sexually intimate so much? there must be a big problem in the relationship if it is go on for three years without sexual intimacy.
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Its ok dude....
chacha and me are both ABNORMAL person....
Your the only normal one..

If u dont understand my example...lemme give u shorter one...
violence is just as same as ignoring...get the idea? i dont mean physically...


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U can continue arguing about your "3 years without sex is abnormal" if u want..

but if u read properly, the guy is using method "if u dont have sex with me means u dont love me" and another method "i will ignore u coz u dont have sex with me"

If that doesnt seems like "forcing" to u, then sorry im ABNORMAL.
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yaya sorry my dear sanook... i'm so STUPID, SILLY & IMMATURE
so sorry, i didn't know that voicing my opinion here in this forum will trigger someone so smart like u to start name-calling me.
sorry sanook, you're do SMART & so sorry dat i am offending u because of my stupidity.
talking about silliness, and immaturity, i dun think name calling to get ur idea across is considered SMART + MATURE
right, Wacky-Angel and I are abnormal, you're the normal and the smartest person in this forum

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hmm.. I think there should be some line drawn.

There's some reason via religion view point, and there's some via practical life example.

No one is in the wrong.

Why can't people except sex is normal part and parcel of life. If these people can't take the smut of out of sex talks, and still reference it as dirty. Then, I suggest please don't quote religion on this.

Religion has a different view on this subject, mainly for pro-creation. While human, using it for pleasure.

Is there any right or wrong?

hmmm...I think everyone has a freedom of choice. Everyone choose different life path. It does mean I don't do the things you do and that's why I am wrong.

The only WRONG things in life is to undermine what other people in order to uphold oneself.



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hmm.. I think there should be some line drawn.

There's some reason via religion view point, and there's some via practical life example.

No one is in the wrong.

Why can't people except sex is normal part and parcel of life. If these people can't take the smut of out of sex talks, and still reference it as dirty. Then, I suggest please don't quote religion on this.

Religion has a different view on this subject, mainly for pro-creation. While human, using it for pleasure.

Is there any right or wrong?

hmmm...I think everyone has a freedom of choice. Everyone choose different life path. It does mean I don't do the things you do and that's why I am wrong.

The only WRONG things in life is to undermine what other people in order to uphold oneself.



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All of you... really pointless...
Wasnt even replying to TS... wtf you guys doing there...
Who want premarital sex who dont want it, doesnt have anything to do with you... stop going off topic... damn
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I think whatever Sanook says, has a very good and valid point.
After all, a relationship should be based on mutual love, respect, trust and DESIRE FOR SEX.
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hmmph.. girl the only way and also best way in my opinion is for them to talk .. find a nice cosy spot at home ( since they are living together ) set the mood .. hehe .. and talk .. got to first agree to put pride aside .

The girl , ur fren gotta be softer to the guy, gotta think of the right words to say to him smile.gif

Tell him how she felt during the intercourse, wut she thinks causes the pain. Let him know which position or style hurts her. maybe its the position that they used dat causes the pain.

She should talk to him , let him know how to pleasure her. how to reduce her pain. I believe if the guy loves her 'enough' , he is willing to compromise and try . he will try his best to be gentle and would be more than happy to pleased the girl! Let him know during the intercourse wut to do to make her feel good.

If he did it then praise him smile.gif

There's always a way out, it just depend if they wan to or not.

I hope they will be able to overcome it wink.gif

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OR maybe she might have some infection or what..should go check up .. its not to say the guy is not clean. its jz sometimes this tend to happen as its the first few times ... dat might be one of the reason why its hurting so much...

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i agree with mysticjewels.. i think the most important in a relationship is communication.. ur fren shud tell her bf to be more gentle during intercouse.. i think the guy will be more careful n gentle next time.. he doesnt wan his gf to b painful too..
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Prostitutes rock. Especially the ones in Shenzhen. Last time I was there, I had like 4 around me constantly.

So yes, sex is important. The more I can get, the better.
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dont u know that most of the prostitudes carrying virus HIV? r u wan to be one of the victim?
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dont u know that most of the prostitudes carrying virus HIV? r u wan to be one of the victim?
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Ever heard of protection?

Listen up,

Men are visual creatures, women are ruled by their emotions. Men get off on the visual appeal of porn whereas women are looking for an emotional connection. That's why women prefer love novellas to porn.
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QUOTE(happy_visage @ Dec 7 2006, 10:26 PM)
dont u know that most of the prostitudes carrying virus HIV? r u wan to be one of the victim?
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... sweat.gif ... I'm indirectly involved in those business... HIV are only found in tepi jalan "ppl"... not private 1ce wif agents... icon_idea.gif
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if i were that girl, i will try talking to my fiancee. If he thinks a relationship require sex occasionally, then I rather end this relationship. Yes, I may have hurt his feeling indirectly by saying that having sex with him is painful but he, as my fiancee should respect me and care for my feelings. He is taking advantage of our relationship by asking for sex occasionly. He is selfish. Why do I need to stay on with such person for the rest of my life. Talk to your friend about my opinion. She needs a man who knows how to respect her and care for her feelings and not someone who is selfish..
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Wait wait!!! You mean they are still staying together and the guy is ignoring her??!!! Wah... if I was the girl, I would have moved out early early lor if my BF treats me like this. I damn admire her for her love lor. That guy memang no use wan.

It's been a day. Let's see how things turn out when our advices reach the ears of the girl involved. I hope they get things work out. If not, I have the urge to kill the guy.

Oh... and I saw my post started some arguments on normality and abnormality. Lemme see. My BF, me, my other friends... they must be abnormal too because they also never have sex with their BF/GF. First of all, we are all Christians (it doesn't mean much to some ppl, but it is a big deal to me and my BF) and most of them, one live in UK and one live in Aussie wor... how ah? Should break up and go find some other girl ah? Sanook, any advice?

As I said, God gave us hands. I just said that I never had sex with my BF yet... doesn't mean that he doesn't make love to his hands. I don't mind that, it is normal. And we remain chaste. Anything wrong with that?

BTW, my three year post was suppose to proof a point that a relationship can grow without sex. Respect people, respect. Keep it for next time. Anticipation is half the fun anyway. And about my BF having an affair? I live with him and go to the same classes as him. I'm practically with him most of the time. So if he is having an affair, she must be a really invisible one.

*Walks off singing Free Love, All we need is Free Love...*
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for me, sex is very important to spice up the love life (relationship more than 1 year, not the one nite stand type). feels like 2 body connecting into 1 spiritual entity. but, putting sex before love is just foolish and selfish.
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Seek advice from a doctor. Check up with gynecologist. if nothing is wrong,maybe the guy is not doing it at the most preferable way. If still no improvement, maybe it's the mindset of either one.If still can't find out why, ask her look for happily married couple that loves sex and seek out for pointers.If really really no solution, then find out whether both can live without sex or not.tongue.gif

This is jsut my view about them. The girl is first timer. Guy may not be. The girl have a preset mind about sex is something very special but have no experience in that. Thus, after the first time, it felt so much pain and that makes her feel more scared. After a few times, same thign happen and then she conclude by herself that sex is painful and such.I think SETTING HER MINDSET that sex is painful is NOT APPROPRIATE and also i think what THE GUY did was SO INAPPROPRIATE too.He may be doing that because like what others have said, his ego.The girl probably shoudl try to talk to him and tells that it's not because of he sucks in bed or watever, it's jsut because she's first timer and needs more time to find the best position n such.MAke him feel more confident. IMHO, i feel that couple need to put down their pride and stubborness when it concern the other half.Give and take when tlalking and doing stuff together. It's not fair only for the girls to treat the bf good, it's also not fair only for the guys to treat the gf good. you can call it divine love or not la when that happens but everyone also have feelings and wish to be treated good.


junnie87, when you said that if having sex occasionaly in a relationship, the relationship you refering would be the paktoh time, isn't it? it is not refering to marriage,is it?I jsut want to make sure i get the right point to what you want to express.smile.gif

WaCKy-Angel and chachachaaa, so you are saying that pre marital sex are not appropriate in your eyes rite? How about when u are married? will you be saying no sex to your husband(i'm talking in the sense of consent sex, not rape or such )?I'm just curious about that cos from what you girls been saying, it's like you are saying sex before and after marriage is wrong in your point of view.Not flaming you girls, just wish to know.tongue.gif

Lucifer_Light, i totally agree with you. There are a lot of people that have no-sex-relationship until they get married. i even know a few couple that last as long as 7 years without sex...but with or without foreplay, that i dont know:). However there are a lot also that based on sex in a relationship. I'm a guy so i dont think i'm being bias here.It just that i felt whether having sex or not in a relationship is up to the couple, and not following what others do, you must do.It's couples decision.

That's just my opinion.I'm sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings.notworthy.gif just my 2cents.whistling.gif

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Wow.... didnt know the word "Sex" could trigger argument or dog fight, thoughts there are only pleasure in it. Relax, calm down, we are having fun here. dont get all personal. I voted YES. 1st, sex is a form of communication, physical. On a couple occassion, it is about 2 lover communicating their love to each other. It creates a special place for 2 lover and will bring their closeliness for each other to a higher level. Bear in mind, guys are more sexual orientated as their hormon make them so. To male, sex is a needs in their basic system. To female, sex is for reproduction. For both side to enjoy it, the male would have to win over the female heart and make her the desire to want sex for mere pleasure and not reproduction. Well of course, no doubt in this century, there are minority group of female that has more desire for sex + group of male that has less desire for sex.

For TS, I truely feel that your friend is not ready to spend the rest of her life with this guy. It is better to put off the wedding and reconsider the relationship. The guy might be forcing himself on her and that make her feel like crap and that is not sex, that is raped. The way the guy reacted toward to her refusion displayed an inward stress. This will build up and eventually he will burst out. It is just a matter of time your friend becoming the next victim to abusive husband.

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Well Sex... I prefer to call it Love Making... is a very important part in early stage of marriage... a couple should really enjoy it together... communicate with each other... sharing each other and fulfilling each other needs. The bonding will grow much stronger through these intimate activities.

But if your friend really dislike having sex and not enjoying it... after talking out to the guy and still being ignored... then she seriously have to reconsider about it. The guy is really not sensitive enough and does not really look upon your friend as a peer/partner.

Better sit down and get the terms right before marriage, gals have equal rights and equal say too...
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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 09:21 AM)
Recently, a fren of mind encounter a problem. She and her bf decided to get married by next yr, so they have been having sex a few times d but my fren does not really enjoy it. She feel uncomfortable and she said its painful for her bcoz of it.

So, she's been giving excuses and tried to avoid from having sex coz even after she told him the problem, he still insist. Now her bf did not push my fren anymore, but he also did not tok to her. Did not touch her anymore, not even hold her hand!!! he basically just ignore my fren. Not just ignore, he totally pretend as if she's not there!!!! FYI, they're living together and both parents also know about their relationship and the suppose to be coming soon marriage(i dont really know if marriage will take place anymore anot) so their relationship is very very much a serious 1.

haiz....i did not know how i can comfort my fren but i personally disgusted at that guy. I wanna ask my fren to dump him straight out but then i just dun wan push my own opinion on her. Pls give ur opinion on this so i can tell my fren about it.
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oh my god, there's a lot of people still think sex is important
come on guys, grow up, sex is part of love, love is great thing that we can share n feel it until we die
sex, is something that u can enjoy now, when old, and tak larat, how come you wanna enjoy sex?
but love....till death do us apart

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dont u know that most of the prostitudes carrying virus HIV? r u wan to be one of the victim?
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you are so ignorant. unless you can back that up with proper research data, what you said is bullshit and motivated more by personal prejudices than actual fact. go away, kid!

@madstone,

oh my god yourself. stop living in a fantasy world. you need to grow up yourself if you believe sex is not important. what kind of misconception have you been living under all these years? SEX IS IMPORTANT! love is about so much more than JUST SEX. I totally agree. but Sex is an important part of a relationship. otherwise, the relationship will be called platonic, which doesn't really exist in a genuine boyfriend-girlfriend relationship. even your father and mother are in a non-platonic relationship that involve sexual contact. Malaysian people like you really need a wake up call and a reality check.

as I said before and I will say it again, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to avoid sex FOR THREE YEARS if the relationship is healthy and passionate. exactly what is so wrong about sex that you have to avoid it in such a manner in a relationship? nobody it putting a pre-existing condition on relationship and love but if a person repeatedly, incessantly, vehemently refuse sex for such a long period of time, any person who has a normal desire for sex, be it a girl or a guy, will start to ask question. exactly what is so wrong with sex? is there something wrong with me? is there something wrong with you?

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I vote NO.
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instead of arguing which is right or wrong. Let's stick back to the first post in this thread.shall we?

I can see two issues here.

1. Health issue.
2. Communication between the couple (Understanding, patience and tolerance)


If it's really painful, pls ask her to consult a doctor or specialist.
This may sound like a joke, but what Guai Guai Zai said in the 2nd page might be true. http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...dpost&p=9461894


If there's emotional hurts, solve it by talking it out. without judging people before and during the talk. talk rasionally and calmly. If couple can't talk and solve it, get a 3rd party. a counsellor. which is professionally trained. Don't simply find a friend or someone to become the 3rd party as he/she might have his own ideology and principles..things will be worse....
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QUOTE(Gametaipan @ Dec 8 2006, 02:44 AM)
... On a couple occassion, it is about 2 lover communicating their love to each other. It creates a special place for 2 lover and will bring their closeliness for each other to a higher level. Bear in mind, guys are more sexual orientated as their hormon make them so. To male, sex is a needs in their basic system. To female, sex is for reproduction. For both side to enjoy it, the male would have to win over the female heart and make her the desire to want sex for mere pleasure and not reproduction. Well of course, no doubt in this century, there are minority group of female that has more desire for sex + group of male that has less desire for sex.
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sadly... many are still 2 uptight bout it... cuz of stories from friends and family teachings... it's best to avoid direct involvement in these dog fights... to me... it depends on how u do it... if u do it violantly and ur partner does not like it then it won be a happy ending... bottomline... if ur sexlife is bad... ur relationship will eventually be nothing... so try to understand each other's needs and respect them... for guys... ladies 1st... sweat.gif
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I'd have to vote no. (: If relationship is alll about sex, it's called lust. That ain't love, darlings. ._.

And no, I'm not saying that in a relationship sex is not important or w/e. I'm just saying that if it's trully love, that's a different thing. But since the question says "Is without sex, love will crumble?", well, you should know better. ^__^

MY point of view. I respect yours. (:
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QUOTE(Myra @ Dec 8 2006, 02:03 PM)
I'd have to vote no. (: If relationship is alll about sex, it's called lust. That ain't love, darlings. ._.

And no, I'm not saying that in a relationship sex is not important or w/e. I'm just saying that if it's trully love, that's a different thing. But since the question says "Is without sex, love will crumble?", well, you should know better. ^__^

MY point of view. I respect yours. (:
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No.......
but the relationship won't last long enough.......without it.
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QUOTE(nickisthemost @ Dec 8 2006, 03:58 PM)
No.......
but the relationship won't last long enough.......without it.
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those who voted NO are all apparently very young and have never enjoyed sex. go ask those who have enjoyed sex(male or female), and they will tell you it is impossible to marry to a guy who can't perform! If you don't trust me, go ask all the girls in late 20's onward, who have had good sexual experiences, they will definitely tell you 'Sex is almost the most important part in a long lasting relationship'!

as to the TS, i think it is the technique problem. she probably didn't get a good head start(foreplay). the guy needs to do more foreplay, not jump right into the humping. he and she needs to learn to make love, not have sex or f***. once they learned how to make love, they can then start to f*** or have sex! :-)
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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 8 2006, 11:31 AM)
you are so ignorant. unless you can back that up with proper research data, what you said is bullshit and motivated more by personal prejudices than actual fact. go away, kid!

@madstone,

oh my god yourself. stop living in a fantasy world. you need to grow up yourself if you believe sex is not important. what kind of misconception have you been living under all these years? SEX IS IMPORTANT! love is about so much more than JUST SEX. I totally agree. but Sex is an important part of a relationship. otherwise, the relationship will be called platonic, which doesn't really exist in a genuine boyfriend-girlfriend relationship. even your father and mother are in a non-platonic relationship that involve sexual contact. Malaysian people like you really need a wake up call and a reality check.

as I said before and I will say it again, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to avoid sex  FOR THREE YEARS if the relationship is healthy and passionate. exactly what is so wrong about sex that you have to avoid it in such a manner in a relationship? nobody it putting a pre-existing condition on relationship and love but if a person repeatedly, incessantly, vehemently refuse sex for such a long period of time, any person who has a normal desire for sex, be it a girl or a guy, will start to ask question. exactly what is so wrong with sex? is there something wrong with me? is there something wrong with you?
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lets say your daughter is now 21years old and has a steady bf for 1 year and thinks they are both serious in the relationship. would you as a father / mother consent to it? what would be your thoughts if your daughter is not married and engaging in sexual activity? your opinions please.
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QUOTE(mercurye @ Dec 8 2006, 05:28 PM)
lets say your daughter is now 21years old and has a steady bf for 1 year and thinks they are both serious in the relationship. would you as a father / mother consent to it? what would be your thoughts if your daughter is not married and engaging in sexual activity? your opinions please.
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i strongly believe it is her decision, as long as she doesn't get pregnant and be regret of it.
--> safe sex!

let say when you buy a car, do you wanna test drive it? what happen if he/she cannot really perform? :-)
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QUOTE(mercurye @ Dec 8 2006, 05:28 PM)
lets say your daughter is now 21years old and has a steady bf for 1 year and thinks they are both serious in the relationship. would you as a father / mother consent to it? what would be your thoughts if your daughter is not married and engaging in sexual activity? your opinions please.
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with or without consent it doesn't matter since 'my daughter' is already 21 therefor considered an adult who should be responsible for her own actions.
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what can u do if they really involve in that activity ?
sex r just become a 'casual activity' for most of the couple nowadays..
to scold them rather than hav some time to educated them for safe sex.
smile.gif further more, 21 yr old is big enuf for u to let go ur hand n let them learn to fly di..
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QUOTE(lainux @ Dec 8 2006, 05:32 PM)
i strongly believe it is her decision, as long as she doesn't get pregnant and be regret of it.
--> safe sex!

let say when you buy a car, do you wanna test drive it?  what happen if he/she cannot really perform?  :-)
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walau, talk about daughter leh...you say test drive some more. scary... shocking.gif
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QUOTE(lainux @ Dec 8 2006, 05:32 PM)
i strongly believe it is her decision, as long as she doesn't get pregnant and be regret of it.
--> safe sex!

let say when you buy a car, do you wanna test drive it?  what happen if he/she cannot really perform?  :-)
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Do u mind i test drive your daughter?
My God......your so NORMAL....
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QUOTE(mercurye @ Dec 8 2006, 05:36 PM)
walau, talk about daughter leh...you say test drive some more. scary...  shocking.gif
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you are starting to sound like an overprotective conservative parent.
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wait till you are a parent.
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QUOTE(mercurye @ Dec 8 2006, 05:41 PM)
no la. test drive tekan kuat sikit? how does that sounds? ultra modern?  thumbup.gif
wait till you are a parent.
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I believe that you have missed out lainux's point and your own as well. you said 21. therefore 'my daughter' is an adult therefore granting her responsibility on herself.

so, ask yourself this question, have you went against your own parents advice? i believe that every child was naughty once in their lifetime. let alone an adult who have the rights to do whatever they want.

lastly, (which is suppose to be my first point actually). Safe Sex. as mentioned by lainux. unless your kind don't believe in condoms and contraceptives, then it's your loss, not mine.

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QUOTE(lainux @ Dec 8 2006, 05:27 PM)
those who voted NO are all apparently very young and have never enjoyed sex.  go ask those who have enjoyed sex(male or female), and they will tell you it is impossible to marry to a guy who can't perform!  If you don't trust me, go ask all the girls in late 20's onward, who have had good sexual experiences, they will definitely tell you 'Sex is almost the most important part in a long lasting relationship'!
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Sex is enjoyable... watch enough of james bond and you can see why. Haha. Sex is enjoyable only when BOTH sides want it. If I don't want to have sex or not ready but pressured (ala TS), I don't think it will be enjoyable. Wait, I don't think, I know.

I would have thought performance can be improved. If you follow the argument by lainux, you would have thought that men who can't perform will always be lonely and single.. then you will have alot of pitiful men out there, won't you? I believe that performance can be improved unless the man is an idiot with a super super ego and thinks that he is Mr. Perfect.

Long lasting relationship, of course sex is important. A lot of guys here were arguing on how can sex be not important. Well, sex is important. I never say it is not. It is just a choice that we make on whether to abstain or not. So don't be so quick to judge. I don't mind my other friends sleeping with each other, I just don't want to. And to the question of 'Without sex, will relationship crumble?' In my relationship, I still say NO.

Now back to TS, is she back here? Want to ask about progress. I can't believe that they are still living together. And have the guy started talking, or he has already moved out and shifted in with another new girlfriend?
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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 8 2006, 11:31 AM)
@madstone,

oh my god yourself. stop living in a fantasy world. you need to grow up yourself if you believe sex is not important. what kind of misconception have you been living under all these years? SEX IS IMPORTANT! love is about so much more than JUST SEX. I totally agree. but Sex is an important part of a relationship. otherwise, the relationship will be called platonic, which doesn't really exist in a genuine boyfriend-girlfriend relationship. even your father and mother are in a non-platonic relationship that involve sexual contact. Malaysian people like you really need a wake up call and a reality check.

as I said before and I will say it again, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to avoid sex  FOR THREE YEARS if the relationship is healthy and passionate. exactly what is so wrong about sex that you have to avoid it in such a manner in a relationship? nobody it putting a pre-existing condition on relationship and love but if a person repeatedly, incessantly, vehemently refuse sex for such a long period of time, any person who has a normal desire for sex, be it a girl or a guy, will start to ask question. exactly what is so wrong with sex? is there something wrong with me? is there something wrong with you?
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You didn't understand what i'm talking about...
what i meant is, in a relationship, love is in the 1st place
sex u can put it at 2nd or 3rd or 4th, depends
but sex can never put at 1st place in a relationship
so, u marry your partner because of sex? she gave u marveleous sex?
that's y u marry her? she gave u good BJ? That's y u marry her? laugh.gif laugh.gif
till 60 u still want her to perform oral sex for you? laugh.gif laugh.gif

i dunno u but i marry my partner because of her politeness, very good girl n many more good things
and sex, i put it at 2nd place
i wanna love her for the rest of my life, don't want to betray her just for sex outside
no f***ing around n that's the idea of a relationship man!

simple thing like that u don't understand? haiyaaa doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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You didn't understand what i'm talking about...
what i meant is, in a relationship, love is in the 1st place
sex u can put it at 2nd or 3rd or 4th, depends
but sex can never put at 1st place in a relationship
so, u marry your partner because of sex? she gave u marveleous sex?
that's y u marry her? she gave u good BJ? That's y u marry her?  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
till 60 u still want her to perform oral sex for you?  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

i dunno u but i marry my partner because of her politeness, very good girl n many more good things
and sex, i put it at 2nd place
i wanna love her for the rest of my life, don't want to betray her just for sex outside
no f***ing around n that's the idea of a relationship man!

simple thing like that u don't understand? haiyaaa  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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haiya yourself. your original post comes with a totally different meaning than your current post. you are changing your tune now and what you are saying are in agreement with me now. what is there to argue. you change your tune and you still want to claim superiority by saying "simple thing like that you don;t understand"?
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sex is damn important for a guy.... but sometimes, some guys after f**k, will less care for their partner coz they belief, the gurl already belongs to them biggrin.gif


i think its ur girl fren prob..... go ask her watch mmroe porn movie... btw, wat pain is it during inter cousre? mayb ask ur fren use gel or put some air liur tongue.gif

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Lol at @rissband. smile.gif

Anyways, to whom that have something agaisnt those who voted NO, I think you really should just respect our point of view. This is, a poll afterall.
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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 9 2006, 08:59 AM)
haiya yourself. your original post comes with a totally different meaning than your current post. you are changing your tune now and what you are saying are in agreement with me now. what is there to argue. you change your tune and you still want to claim superiority by saying "simple thing like that you don;t understand"?
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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Dec 9 2006, 09:07 AM)
sex is damn important for a guy.... but sometimes, some guys after f**k, will less care for their partner coz they belief, the gurl already belongs to them biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 9 2006, 03:52 PM)
Sigh....sanook and still with his attitude..
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if be together is becuz wan have sex with her u gal say this relationship can last ornot?
ofcuz she 's good gal

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QUOTE(soulmad @ Dec 9 2006, 06:43 PM)
if be together is becuz wan have sex with her u gal say this relationship can last ornot?
ofcuz she 's good gal
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relationship which are like tat won last long...
this is wat i think... starting a relationship for sex is bad... but starting sex for relationship is good... of course it depends on how we accept each other's preference in sex... juz like the phrase "we eat to live and not live to eat"... icon_idea.gif
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the guy is a jerk la!ur gf in pain u still ask ur gf to have sex?
from what u say..seems like the guy only want her to have sex...
sex is an act of love..how can u force ur loved one to do it..
some more ur loved one is in pain u still ask her to do..sei lou!!
anyway in my opinion if it hurts it means the guy is not doing it right!so its his fault!
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I know a couple.. who already agreed dat dey only gonna have sex only to have children..
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hai yoo....... very pity we boys la born with the disire yet have to control it soo hard la....... hahaha girl very selfish also don wan to give............ j/k
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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Dec 7 2006, 09:57 AM)
Sex is important.

I think your friend hurted her fiancee feeling liao lar. What would a guy think when his fiancee denied him sex or tell him 'having sex with you is painful'. I dont think many guys like to hear that.

How many guys or gal hit it right when they are both first timer? It takes probably 5 or more tries just to get comfortable position. It takes even longer to experience whats feel best.

There's nothing that hurt a guy feeling more than being told you aint performing on bed. The best way to settle sex problem is by having sex. If your friend feel pain, must be lack of foreplay. Just use some lubricant lar or tell your friend to warm herself up first.
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Very bad news to a guy when his wife to be don't get as much pleasure in bed as him. It kind of hurts his self-esteem, main reason why he refuses to touch her. This need some serious counseling in order to save their relationship and not by playing the blame game.
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QUOTE(Lucifer_Light @ Dec 8 2006, 12:00 AM)
Wait wait!!! You mean they are still staying together and the guy is ignoring her??!!! Wah... if I was the girl, I would have moved out early early lor if my BF treats me like this. I damn admire her for her love lor. That guy memang no use wan.

It's been a day. Let's see how things turn out when our advices reach the ears of the girl involved. I hope they get things work out. If not, I have the urge to kill the guy.

Oh... and I saw my post started some arguments on normality and abnormality. Lemme see. My BF, me, my other friends... they must be abnormal too because they also never have sex with their BF/GF. First of all, we are all Christians (it doesn't mean much to some ppl, but it is a big deal to me and my BF) and most of them, one live in UK and one live in Aussie wor... how ah? Should break up and go find some other girl ah? Sanook, any advice?

As I said, God gave us hands. I just said that I never had sex with my BF yet... doesn't mean that he doesn't make love to his hands. I don't mind that, it is normal. And we remain chaste. Anything wrong with that?

BTW, my three year post was suppose to proof a point that a relationship can grow without sex. Respect people, respect. Keep it for next time. Anticipation is half the fun anyway. And about my BF having an affair? I live with him and go to the same classes as him. I'm practically with him most of the time. So if he is having an affair, she must be a really invisible one.

*Walks off singing Free Love, All we need is Free Love...*
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"practically with him most of the time"
Ur bf is a god, not a human. I'll go very crazy if my gf do that to me.
Really respect him.

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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 9 2006, 08:59 AM)
haiya yourself. your original post comes with a totally different meaning than your current post. you are changing your tune now and what you are saying are in agreement with me now. what is there to argue. you change your tune and you still want to claim superiority by saying "simple thing like that you don;t understand"?
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Sanook.. girls change very fast one i tell you.. LoL
Give them chance, they're still young, sooner in their life they will forget your "insults" and support ur idea without them knowing temselves.
As for lucifer_light case.. i think the bf is a kiddo also.. LoL. never watch porn never talk porn and have very few sexy female friends. lucifer u should grab hold of him tightly and monitor him tightly as u did so far. Don't let your guard down! Your bf is facing extinction!
Just my guess. No offense.
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QUOTE(boyakasha1234 @ Dec 9 2006, 10:16 AM)
you sounded just married on the 2nd month. well, keep up the spirit, wish you good luck too.
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Ppl watch too much korean drama.. cantonese drama.. taiwanese drama.. chinese drama... but not american drama.. LoL!
No wonder so many woman facing problem with their hubby during their late 30s to 40s.. when they know the truth, too late liao.. Their so-called obedient, true love, caring, faithful husband turned to a neglective, irresponsible, dirty(?), betrayal black-hearted werewolf.
Why is this happening? What went wrong?
Because they ranked love as 1st priority, and others 2nd, 3rd, 4th.. so on..
Typical chinese style of thinking.
Really have to wish you girls good luck.

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no sex

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Haha... my bf facing extinction? No lar... I have a lot guy friends like that wan. I really don't get it why you guys don't get it. He watches porn, he does things other guys do. He wants to have sex. He just doesn't have sex because we both said no and to wait. It's pretty easy. All you need is faith and the will. But I guess most guys here lack the will and they think with their penis instead of their head. Wait, penis also got head, my mistake.


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QUOTE(Lucifer_Light @ Dec 12 2006, 08:46 PM)
Haha... my bf facing extinction? No lar... I have a lot guy friends like that wan. I really don't get it why you guys don't get it. He watches porn, he does things other guys do. He wants to have sex. He just doesn't have sex because we both said no and to wait. It's pretty easy. All you need is faith and the will. But I guess most guys here lack the will and they think with their penis instead of their head. Wait, penis also got head, my mistake.
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U can monitor ur bf and at the sametime monitor a lot of guy friends? Gosh.. u must have own a satelite!
Anyhow whatever we say here will be practically thoery. One's life experience is for him/her to taste. Just a friendly piece of advice for you not to trust ur boy too much. Sometimes the small head will conquer the big head, unless u chop it off. biggrin.gif

Woops, I forgot abt another option, foreplay but no intercourse. Can be satisfying too. However issit considered as sex? sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Lucifer_Light @ Dec 12 2006, 08:46 PM)
Haha... my bf facing extinction? No lar... I have a lot guy friends like that wan. I really don't get it why you guys don't get it. He watches porn, he does things other guys do. He wants to have sex. He just doesn't have sex because we both said no and to wait. It's pretty easy. All you need is faith and the will. But I guess most guys here lack the will and they think with their penis instead of their head. Wait, penis also got head, my mistake.
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What actually are you waiting for? Till marriage? Do you want to have baby after marriage? What happen if you find out that your bf can't perform? And can't get you pregnant? Is it still OK? I guess you might answer OK as i believe you are probably very young.

Do you guys have any foreplay(kiss, rub)? Do you help him to tfk? ;-) Has he seen you naked? Has he petted your puppies?

Sorry for all the questions.. just curious...


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QUOTE(lainux @ Dec 13 2006, 12:24 AM)
What actually are you waiting for?  Till marriage?  Do you want to have baby after marriage?  What happen if you find out that your bf can't perform?  And can't get you pregnant?  Is it still OK?  I guess you might answer OK as i believe you are probably very young.

Do you guys have any foreplay(kiss, rub)?  Do you help him to tfk?  ;-)  Has he seen you naked?  Has he petted your puppies?

Sorry for all the questions.. just curious...
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Dude, I doubt very much a guy who's educated, healthy, and exposed to porn(as most guys are) has problems getting his girlfriend/wife pregnant if they want to. So maybe the first couple of romps on bed won't lead to mind-shattering orgasms, but that will come with time, communication, and knowledge. Experience on bed is not a prerequisite to marriage. Mutual love, understanding and communication is.

The thing is, for me, sex should only come in in matured relationships. And even then, it is not a MUST for the relationship to progress(I'm talking pre-marriage here). Even then, sex in itself, has to be properly defined. Does it include oral sex? Mutual masturbation? Heavy petting? Anything short of vaginal penetration? Different people have different perspectives of sex. Identify your own and other people's definition before lambasting each other.

And please, keep the forums clean. No queries on details of other people's love life.


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Still going on ah?
Hahaha, really energetic..

Anyway, sex only got one defination. Use common sense. Sex come in male and female. So in order to have sexual intercourse, male sex organ gotta penetrate female sex organ. That's sex.

You take a hand and either male or female sex organ and called it sex? I called that self-relief. LOL.
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QUOTE(Lucifer_Light @ Dec 12 2006, 08:46 PM)
Haha... my bf facing extinction? No lar... I have a lot guy friends like that wan. I really don't get it why you guys don't get it. He watches porn, he does things other guys do. He wants to have sex. He just doesn't have sex because we both said no and to wait. It's pretty easy. All you need is faith and the will. But I guess most guys here lack the will and they think with their penis instead of their head. Wait, penis also got head, my mistake.
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He watches porn? He does things other guys do? He wants to have sex? and you dare to believe he waited all these times for you to say "yes" ? Malaysian girls are really truly madly deeply naive. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Dec 13 2006, 03:14 AM)
Anyway, sex only got one defination. Use common sense. Sex come in male and female. So in order to have sexual intercourse, male sex organ gotta penetrate female sex organ. That's sex.

You take a hand and either male or female sex organ and called it sex? I called that self-relief. LOL.
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That's the clinical definition. What I'm talking about here are sexual acts on the whole. In other words, are non-penetrating sexual acts okay by your book in a relationship? tongue.gif
QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 13 2006, 05:33 AM)
He watches porn? He does things other guys do? He wants to have sex? and you dare to believe he waited all these times for you to say "yes" ? Malaysian girls are really truly madly deeply naive.  laugh.gif
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You make it sound as though every normal guy in a relationship out there is having sex, if not with their girlfriends, then it's behind their backs. doh.gif I seriously doubt that's the case man.

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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 13 2006, 05:33 AM)
He watches porn? He does things other guys do? He wants to have sex? and you dare to believe he waited all these times for you to say "yes" ? Malaysian girls are really truly madly deeply naive.  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(sidewinder1009 @ Dec 13 2006, 10:14 AM)
You make it sound as though every normal guy in a relationship out there is having sex, if not with their girlfriends, then it's behind their backs.  doh.gif I seriously doubt that's the case man.
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Neah just ignore him.....SEX and f***ING is the only thing in his mind....
He's so NORMAL that he thinks whoever doesnt have pre-marital sex is ABNORMAL..
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this thread..and many seeking for advice thread are very entertaining.

It is funny because when wacky-angel asked a question, and other kind soul posted their thoughts, it is not heard in a OPEN MINDED manner.

The problem is advice that falls within the "acceptable tolerance" are heard. The rest, i assumed, will be ignored due to conflict with morality and other obvious reason.

So, why bother asking for advice when you have already made up your mind about certain things. Advice are dispense by people that come from all walks of life. Standards of morality on this question should not be argued on the ground that sex is dirty or abstinence is the right thing to do.

Think objectively. Do you want to solve the problem? Do you want my advice? Do you want others' opinion?

Having to made judgement about other people AFTER advice had been dispense is just SO WRONG.

Well, if you want to hear what you want to hear. I suggest, next time, advice should be seek from targetted audience. i.e. in this case, if you want supporters to side you in agreeing the fact that sex is not an issue in relationship, you should not condemn those who don't think this way.

..and to those who think sex is a part and parcel of relationship, be happy that you are getting some, leave those who are not getting any, alone.

See, we can actually have a better world this way. Can't we?

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hat's the clinical definition. What I'm talking about here are sexual acts on the whole. In other words, are non-penetrating sexual acts okay by your book in a relationship?
tat depends on the guy's level of self-control... icon_idea.gif whistling.gif
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tat's some lecture... ohmy.gif not the type tat modern day ppl wanna hear/read... I think the TS is a bit lost and dunno how to end her relationship... a dillema... sweat.gif but those are good lectures though... thumbup.gif

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usually alot of guys jz wanna sex onli!!!
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QUOTE(gsuave @ Dec 13 2006, 11:22 AM)
this thread..and many seeking for advice thread are very entertaining.

It is funny because when wacky-angel asked a question, and other kind soul posted their thoughts, it is not heard in a OPEN MINDED manner.

The problem is advice that falls within the "acceptable tolerance" are heard. The rest, i assumed, will be ignored due to conflict with morality and other obvious reason.

So, why bother asking for advice when you have already made up your mind about certain things. Advice are dispense by people that come from all walks of life. Standards of morality on this question should not be argued on the ground that sex is dirty or abstinence is the right thing to do.

Think objectively. Do you want to solve the problem? Do you want my advice? Do you want others' opinion?

Having to made judgement about other people AFTER advice had been dispense is just SO WRONG.

Well, if you want to hear what you want to hear. I suggest, next time, advice should be seek from targetted audience. i.e. in this case, if you want supporters to side you in agreeing the fact that sex is not an issue in relationship, you should not condemn those who don't think this way.

..and to those who think sex is a part and parcel of relationship, be happy that you are getting some, leave those who are not getting any, alone.

See, we can actually have a better world this way. Can't we?
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Yup...agreed..
But to sanook, its ABNORMAL if a couple dont have sex.
So sorry to said, but i will pity his daughter / gf....

QUOTE(witch @ Dec 13 2006, 01:50 PM)
usually alot of guys jz wanna sex onli!!!
after tat dumping u!!!!
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Thats why u should only wait till u get married.....am i right?

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That's the clinical definition. What I'm talking about here are sexual acts on the whole. In other words, are non-penetrating sexual acts okay by your book in a relationship? tongue.gif
You make it sound as though every normal guy in a relationship out there is having sex, if not with their girlfriends, then it's behind their backs.  doh.gif I seriously doubt that's the case man.
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I find it funny you people didn;'t realise the magnitude of what Wacky-Angel did to his boyfriend and keep on insisting I am sex-crazed. whether I am or not is not the issue here. what is the issue here is a healthy, normal guy being actively denied sex in a relationship for THREE YEARS. I am not the crazy guy here. that guy is crazy and the relationship is crazy. under normal circumstances, YES, the relationship can last for quite awhile without sexual contact if there are genuine feelings and sincerity involved. but three years are a long time. THREE YEARS!!!!! read it out loud! THREE YEARS! THREE YEARS! no guys in their right mind will stay with a girl for three years without sex and without getting it from somewhere else. I hope I have made myself clear.

btw, how old are you, wacky-angel and sidewinder1009?
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i did not read the whole thread but from some of the posting done by sanook, he seems to be on the right track. Malaysian mentality is still very low when it comes to the topic sex. We were not given enough exposure about sex and what it is about. We were always taught by our parents, educators and peers that sex is "dirty". I must say, I totally disagree with such old school method. We need to educate people about sex and the importance of it. We should not be shy about sex. Everybody does it and everybody enjoys it. Why should it be a taboo subject?

This is especially true when it comes to girls who doesn't have enough knowledge about sex. They only think sex is about a stick poking a hole. And that's dirty. That's so naive and clueless. There is nothing wrong for girls to admit that they enjoy sex and crave for it.

On the subject on whether sex should be done after or before sex, that is up to personal preference. It should not be a rules in laws or religion. After all, if we were to have sex, we do get consent from the other party. Not like we are forcing one to do it. That's called rape.

For those who think that they should only have sex after marriage. Think about this. What if you found out that you and your partner is sexually incompatible? (What's the meaning of sexually incompatible? Go google yourself.) Then how? Divorce? Marry another person (for muslim).

Why do girls always blame men wanting to have sex? It's the natural design of men. The male species have the capability to be sexually one to many. Whereas the female species have the capability to be sexually one to one. That's why female are less sexually driven species compared to men.

I can really go on and on but I'll stop here for now.

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QUOTE(abubin @ Dec 13 2006, 03:51 PM)
i did not read the whole thread but from some of the posting done by sanook, he seems to be on the right track. Malaysian mentality is still very low when it comes to the topic sex. We were not given enough exposure about sex and what it is about. We were always taught by our parents, educators and peers that sex is "dirty". I must say, I totally disagree with such old school method. We need to educate people about sex and the importance of it. We should not be shy about sex. Everybody does it and everybody enjoys it. Why should it be a taboo subject?

This is especially true when it comes to girls who doesn't have enough knowledge about sex. They only think sex is about a stick poking a hole. And that's dirty. That's so naive and clueless. There is nothing wrong for girls to admit that they enjoy sex and crave for it.

On the subject on whether sex should be done after or before sex, that is up to personal preference. It should not be a rules in laws or religion. After all, if we were to have sex, we do get consent from the other party. Not like we are forcing one to do it. That's called rape.

For those who think that they should only have sex after marriage. Think about this. What if you found out that you and your partner is sexually incompatible? (What's the meaning of sexually incompatible? Go google yourself.) Then how? Divorce? Marry another person (for muslim).

Why do girls always blame men wanting to have sex? It's the natural design of men. The male species have the capability to be sexually one to many. Whereas the female species have the capability to be sexually one to one. That's why female are less sexually driven species compared to men.

I can really go on and on but I'll stop here for now.
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nice stuff i would say.... rclxms.gif more sex education for malaysian....


bsides taht,, i would belief that those who dun wan to have sex is bcoz they really not committed to the relationship 100%..... wink.gif



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well..
1st of all i wana say that i did not read all of the threads (caz i somehow got fed-up by the same thing posted again n again..)

n 2ndly i want to ask the author of this topic,how's the situation now?

for one thing i can tell is,the relationship between both of them is not bonded too strong yet..well,somehow ignorance just because she's not offering him sex...is definitely not a sufficient reason..

i do notice that one of the forum-er here said that she n her bf didn't have sex for 3years.i assume that is true and i would like to stand at her side. Sex isn't EVERYTHING in relationship...do u think of "Wow,she'd a great body and i wana Fxxx her!" before u tackle a girl? (if u answer yes,then i think u're a pervert.)

Sex is not the thing that drive me crazy over a girl. is the bond,the fun,the exitement and also the hapines when being with her... (though sex would create all the above,but once again,it's not the MAIN reason.)

In the case for the girl mentioned, firstly, i think it is wise to know the REAL reason for not offering sex for the guy, if PAIN is really the reason,then i might agree with one (or some) of the forum-er that they should make some fore-play b4 having sex.

but somehow,some girls are still not so open,and they would think that they should reserve the amazing moment for the amazing one at the amazing night after her marriage. (i know i know,they'd sex ya'd say...but we dono if it was being forced by that guy~) well...maybe this girl just don't feel comfy by having sex pre-marriage and is feeling guilty,or,she simply feel that the guy is just wana have sex with her n not really into the marriage thingy...

alot of the ppl here say that girls LOVE sex after they'd tried it,but somehow,i've met a few,that they hate them (well,not my gf or ex,if u guys wana say that is becaz my technique is not good..caz it's not about me).Not that they dun enjoy sex, but they think it is not the thing that they shud be doing all of the time.When they do it,they actually facing a few concerns,being pregnant is the most concerned thing,whether or not they had made safe sex,there's no 100% guarantee that she'd be safe.

2nd is they do feel anxious about how their partner real mind is,that is,whether they just wana have fun making love,or they really love them to make love..
3rd,hey'd wonder if the bf is sex-craved and might having it with someone else
4th,they actually worry about how they perform(or look) when giving it to the partner
etc etc..there's still alot of factor if u wan me to list out,but in a nutshell,i wana say is that,not EVERY girl LOVE sex even if they HAD or HAD NOT have sex.
Girl is a compliacted creature.(girls dun flame me..)
they might be enjoying this moment while having sex with u,but the next time when u ask aagin,they might get angry n annoyed.. tongue.gif sweat.gif

anyway,from my opinion,just clicking for one year and plan to get marry???
that's too soon for me...(well,especially when u say they'd stayed together...)
me n my gf together for 2 years...ofcaz we talk about it (sex n marriage that is) but both of us understand that it is still too early for it to come true...too much thing we need to achieve now..anyway,we'd set goals for ourself b4 we getting married/serious relationship. And if sex is the thing that will make me ignore her, not even 1minute,i will be dump by her.

Girl,STAND UP,that guy is just simply not worth marrying...what if after marry,the same thing like the singaporean happen on them?DIVORCE???might as well get another guy that don't mind not having sex,or,have it when the right time.i'm sure many of this kinda guy is available.if u're worry of ur virginity,get a counsellor or best fren to talk with.anyway if a guy loves u,virginity sin't going to hold him back.
if u feel urself dirty,think this way,i'm having sex with my ex,because i'm deeply in love with him.too bad he feels differently..the choice of leaving him is wise.talk to ur current/going-to-be BF about ur virginity,be honest,i'm sure if he love u,he'll accept u.(n ur virginity issue).love is about both parties,understandings,communications and also trust...so...advice to the author....talk with her again,get the WHOLE PICTURE of why she doesn't wana have sex. and when i say whole,i mean WHOLE!.

hope i'm helping. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 13 2006, 03:33 PM)
I find it funny you people didn;'t realise the magnitude of what Wacky-Angel did to his boyfriend and keep on insisting I am sex-crazed. whether I am or not is not the issue here. what is the issue here is a healthy, normal guy being actively denied sex in a relationship for THREE YEARS. I am not the crazy guy here. that guy is crazy and the relationship is crazy.  under normal circumstances, [COLOR=blue]YES, the relationship can last for quite awhile without sexual contact if there are genuine feelings and sincerity involved[/colour]. but three years are a long time. THREE YEARS!!!!! read it out loud! THREE YEARS! THREE YEARS! no guys in their right mind will stay with a girl for three years without sex and without getting it from somewhere else. I hope I have made myself clear.

btw, how old are you, wacky-angel and sidewinder1009?
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Geez so your relationship was genuine but then it will be not genuine after that without sex huh?
I guess thats what u call true love then....

Btw, im 25

I am ABNORMAL and absolutely will stay with my girl for three years without sex..without need to get from somewhere else....

You made yourself very clear.....U will no longer love your gf after 3 years without sex..

End of story
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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Dec 13 2006, 04:56 PM)
nice stuff i would say....  rclxms.gif  more sex education for malaysian....
bsides taht,, i would belief that those who dun wan to have sex is bcoz they really not committed to the relationship 100%..... wink.gif
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Hahaha is that your brain speaking or your "brother" speaking?

Your defination of SERIOUS relation is so wrong....
Commited to relation = marriage, not SEX
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Ah, so some of you prefer no sex for three years while some of you prefer having sex at every opportunity you can find. Big deal~ Like duh~ Get over it already. You have your preference, others have their's. So they have a different way of life than you and that makes them abnormal? Geez... what is wrong with you? This argument is so freaking silly...
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QUOTE(feyhime @ Dec 13 2006, 06:21 PM)
Ah, so some of you prefer no sex for three years while some of you prefer having sex at every opportunity you can find. Big deal~ Like duh~ Get over it already. You have your preference, others have their's. So they have a different way of life than you and that makes them abnormal? Geez... what is wrong with you? This argument is so freaking silly...
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Thats what im talking about.....

He wants to have sex everyday or every hour it wont harm me....
But he keeps calling me abnormal lolz....

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okay let me rephrase my word... instead use sex i use intimate..
low intimate = rub rub..
high intimate = hv sex..

a couple need intimacity to drive the relationship... but before marriage it is highly recommend not to hav sex becoz a lot constraint.. but we can use low intimacity..

i support sanook for his idea that no intimate for long time is abnormal.. we need at least kiss rub rub...
after marriage only we hav sex...
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Sex is just a bonus point for me. I am pretty patient and if my partner not ready, I will not push for it. I don't see any reason why it should be dominating factor in relationship.

I prefer communication and exchange of ideas, plus chemistry in relationship not instant genitalia interaction.

Off course, it depends on what is your intent in starting the relationship. If you only in for sex, then sex only you gonna get.

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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 13 2006, 03:33 PM)
I find it funny you people didn;'t realise the magnitude of what Wacky-Angel did to his boyfriend and keep on insisting I am sex-crazed. whether I am or not is not the issue here. what is the issue here is a healthy, normal guy being actively denied sex in a relationship for THREE YEARS. I am not the crazy guy here. that guy is crazy and the relationship is crazy.  under normal circumstances, YES, the relationship can last for quite awhile without sexual contact if there are genuine feelings and sincerity involved. but three years are a long time. THREE YEARS!!!!! read it out loud! THREE YEARS! THREE YEARS! no guys in their right mind will stay with a girl for three years without sex and without getting it from somewhere else. I hope I have made myself clear.

btw, how old are you, wacky-angel and sidewinder1009?
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I'm 20. And this 3-year sex thing started when you talked about Lucifer Light's boyfriend.

I did not suggest you are sex-crazed. I'd just like to point out that not every guy who's in a relationship for 3 years without having sex is out of their mind/fooling around/dumping his girlfriend. It's not fair to label guys who would wait as "abnormal". If sexual tension builds, there's always masturbation, instead of pressing for sex. tongue.gif

No hard feelings bro, I respect your opinions about this matter, although I may not agree with some of it. To each his own. smile.gif
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Sanook is just giving a kind piece of advice to u all who really think "sex is not important", "marriage is commitment", "loves come first". As i said before, time will tell, u really have to be in it to understand what sanook said. What you see from other ppl is not always correct. If not just open the newspaper and u can see those murder case always quoted "he is a nice guy", "he is kind-hearted".
He meant the RELATIONSHIP is ABNORMAL, not the person. ABNORMAL means not normal, and normal or not normal is a standard.
I blif sanook is experienced enough to see many examples of ppl in their later stage of life. So he can concludes that relationship which u all think that it's "triggered by love", is not a healthy relationship. And if u insist that it's healthy, the relationship between u and ur partner is on the normal standard, and u should really take good care of it.
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I guess I didn't say it clear. I probably shouldn't have asked the questions in such a personal way. If i have sounded rude, i apologize. Let me retry.

For those who insist on having sex after marriage, do you guys have any 'low intimacy'? Is there any craze at all?

To what extend is ok for you?

kiss?
Hug?
rub rub?
mutual masturbation?
oral sex?
everything except penetration(intercourse)?

I am not saying that you must have sex, i am saying that sex is a good thing™ and a good couple in a good relationship should enjoy it. you shouldn't avoid it because your parents said so, because god says so. I respect your decision if you are worried of std or pregnancy or you want to give your husband/wife a surprise.

From experience, if both couples are the first time in bed, your wife will most likely hate sex with you, cause you can't perform well. :0) and you cause her a lot of pain! I would believe that for girl, it should happen w/ a more experience husband to make it a memorable nite, not a really painful and unhappy nite.

I am only new to lyn for a week or two, and i am really shocked to see how naive most lyn'ers are!


QUOTE(sidewinder1009 @ Dec 13 2006, 01:51 AM)
Dude, I doubt very much a guy who's educated, healthy, and exposed to porn(as most guys are) has problems getting his girlfriend/wife pregnant if they want to. So maybe the first couple of romps on bed won't lead to mind-shattering orgasms, but that will come with time, communication, and knowledge. Experience on bed is not a prerequisite to marriage. Mutual love, understanding and communication is.

<b>I am not saying performing bad, i am saying totally cannot perform at all.  i have friends who enjoy sex, but just wouldn't enjoy it with that particular bf.  because of that, they broke up!  Do you know that many men have problem lifting their other heads?  I am not saying that you should leave the guy if he is incompetent, but i am saying that you will be stuck w/ a marriage w/o proper sex, will you accept it?  I am sure many will surely accept it, but mostly are those who haven't actually enjoyed sex.</b> 

The thing is, for me, sex should only come in in matured relationships. And even then, it is not a MUST for the relationship to progress(I'm talking pre-marriage here). Even then, sex in itself, has to be properly defined. Does it include oral sex? Mutual masturbation? Heavy petting? Anything short of vaginal penetration? Different people have different perspectives of sex. Identify your own and other people's definition before lambasting each other.

And please, keep the forums clean. No queries on details of other people's love life.
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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 09:21 AM)
Recently, a fren of mind encounter a problem. She and her bf decided to get married by next yr, so they have been having sex a few times d but my fren does not really enjoy it. She feel uncomfortable and she said its painful for her bcoz of it.

So, she's been giving excuses and tried to avoid from having sex coz even after she told him the problem, he still insist. Now her bf did not push my fren anymore, but he also did not tok to her. Did not touch her anymore, not even hold her hand!!! he basically just ignore my fren. Not just ignore, he totally pretend as if she's not there!!!! FYI, they're living together and both parents also know about their relationship and the suppose to be coming soon marriage(i dont really know if marriage will take place anymore anot) so their relationship is very very much a serious 1.

haiz....i did not know how i can comfort my fren but i personally disgusted at that guy. I wanna ask my fren to dump him straight out but then i just dun wan push my own opinion on her. Pls give ur opinion on this so i can tell my fren about it.
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Basically sorry to say your fren is st*pid coz believe that guy so much till sacrifice everything..

That bf of hers just want to be with her bcoz of SEX!...She should be really happy bcoz she finally can get rid of the guy..
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Not important unless its for reproduction and keeping both company happy.
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QUOTE(kayone @ Dec 13 2006, 09:54 PM)
He meant the RELATIONSHIP is ABNORMAL, not the person. ABNORMAL means not normal, and normal or not normal is a standard.
I blif sanook is experienced enough to see many examples of ppl in their later stage of life. So he can concludes that relationship which u all think that it's "triggered by love", is not a healthy relationship. And if u insist that it's healthy, the relationship between u and ur partner is on the normal standard, and u should really take good care of it.
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Whats so ABNORMAL about 3years relationship without sex?


QUOTE(lainux @ Dec 13 2006, 11:40 PM)

kiss?
Hug?
rub rub?
mutual masturbation?
oral sex?
everything except penetration(intercourse)?

I am only new to lyn for a week or two, and i am really shocked to see how naive most lyn'ers are!
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NONE OF THE ABOVE
Nive or abnormal arent judge by humans...
Who are u to judge? God ?

My book says pre-marital sex = adultry.
Sanook's book says pre-marital sex = fun, pleasure, etc etc etc

From my point of view, its wrong and i will try to advise others too..
From sanook's point of view, its complete NORMAL and a MUST HAVE and will advise others (despise others who dont follow)....

So my point is.....whatever u do wont affect me....
I do not need to sacrifice myself to make u listen to me.
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 14 2006, 11:24 AM)
Whats so ABNORMAL about 3years relationship without sex?
NONE OF THE ABOVE
Nive or abnormal arent judge by humans...
Who are u to judge? God ?

My book says pre-marital sex = adultry.
Sanook's book says pre-marital sex = fun, pleasure, etc etc etc

From my point of view, its wrong and i will try to advise others too..
From sanook's point of view, its complete NORMAL and a MUST HAVE and will advise others (despise others who dont follow)....

So my point is.....whatever u do wont affect me....
I do not need to sacrifice myself to make u listen to me.
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There's a loophole here.
Then how u judge that naive or abnormal arent judge by humans?
God sms u abt tat?
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QUOTE(kayone @ Dec 14 2006, 01:06 PM)
There's a loophole here.
Then how u judge that naive or abnormal arent judge by humans?
God sms u abt tat?
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 14 2006, 02:02 PM)
I read book....and the book is widely distributed around the whole globe.
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And there's even more books to support sanook's saying. haha.
never ending argument.
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QUOTE(kayone @ Dec 14 2006, 03:16 PM)
And there's even more books to support sanook's saying. haha.
never ending argument.
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Book by the same author? and is sold/owned by millions of humans?
Like i've said.....
I dont need to argue and i wont lose anything...
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i agree with sex doesnt mean love.

but sex is important. both shud enjoy.
go and see some doctor about it. expert maybe.

it cud be the guy's fault (dont know how to please her)
it cud also be the girl's problem (health)
it cud oso be both.

get help.


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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 14 2006, 03:18 PM)
Book by the same author? and is sold/owned by millions of humans?
Like i've said.....
I dont need to argue and i wont lose anything...
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U can't just read only ONE book in ur whole life, can you?
If yes, then u are destined to be a father! Congrats!

Or

the author of the book is God.

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 14 2006, 02:02 PM)
I read book....and the book is widely distributed around the whole globe.
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Are you for real? How old are you??? rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(thehobo @ Dec 14 2006, 04:54 PM)
Are you for real? How old are you???  rolleyes.gif
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he read book but then there is many interpretation about tat book..
so u dun eat pork? look at leviticus 11:8.. it say so..

it is long.. and too many interpretation... some more it is impractical for today..
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sorry sway too much from main topic..

i believe it depends on couple.. it is fine if both want.. we need communication. if one doesnt feel good u cant force.. this is not good. almost equal to raping.

sex is both u and ur partner. if both agree and take every precaution.. and both felt good why not?

now the girl felt pain.. tat guy shud be considerate.. think other way
hence.. the guy oso wan sex.. girl oso need to find a way to compensate each other.....

relationship is about communication and understand each other.. there is no book tat can define relationship even tat book is the best seller in this world
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SanosukeSagara... u are attracting some... er.... i can't tell it out here...
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post Dec 15 2006, 01:47 AM

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wah, though this topic will go silent liao after keep on arguing about the same point all over again and again.

Everyone have their own preference whether to have or not to have sex before marriage. Why bother wor whether others doing it or not doing it?it's not gonna harm you in any way also..

Unless you are stating that watever others do, it reflects on the society and thus will bring distruction on you.For that, i totally have no comment.
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So I agree and let's put all discussion on hold until TS returns with more news. Where is she anyway? Hmm... It's been almost a week, the girl in question should have packed her bag and go home. *cross fingers* hope so.
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QUOTE(thehobo @ Dec 14 2006, 03:54 PM)
Are you for real? How old are you???  rolleyes.gif
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Lets see.....15 days from now i will be 26....
Any problem? Don worry..im living in pigeonhole..
Or a frog under a coconut shell eh?
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Human? Definetely love sex
No sex no life! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(SanosukeSagara @ Dec 14 2006, 11:22 PM)
he read book but then there is many interpretation about tat book..
so u dun eat pork? look at leviticus 11:8.. it say so..

it is long.. and too many interpretation... some more it is impractical for today..
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Neah....
Somebody just like to use an invalid arguement to make arguement...

If u would noticed, some rules has changed after a point of time...
And the time is definitely not now....
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QUOTE(console @ Dec 15 2006, 10:29 AM)
Human? Definetely love sex
No sex no life!  thumbup.gif
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but sex is for live, not live for sex... icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(t3chn0m4nc3r @ Dec 15 2006, 03:40 PM)
no sex no life is true...
but sex is for live, not live for sex... icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(jcheong @ Dec 16 2006, 05:00 PM)
This thread needs pics.
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an example of living for sex... shakehead.gif
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lol...

here's the first question


wat is ur sex?
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QUOTE(Gladys @ Dec 18 2006, 11:09 AM)
shemale  blush.gif  blush.gif
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haha. Not aqua meh?
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QUOTE(cadmus @ Dec 18 2006, 08:14 PM)
haha. Not aqua meh?
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aqua:- act like gal...
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I vote yes LOL...
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My GF keen for sex 1 ler... how come your friend doesn't like the feeling of sex? and felt painful?? omg... what a world.... doh.gif

why is having sex called make love?? because make love can make them love each other more mah.... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(AiRBooM @ Dec 20 2006, 04:44 PM)
My GF keen for sex 1 ler... how come your friend doesn't like the feeling of sex? and felt painful?? omg... what a world....  doh.gif

why is having sex called make love?? because make love can make them love each other more mah.... laugh.gif
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i damn like ur answer. Do u have a daughter or sister that i can tackle ? Or imagine the guy who go after ur sister/daughter say that to u. Your sister/daughter keen to have sex with him. Hahahahaha.
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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 09:21 AM)
Recently, a fren of mind encounter a problem. She and her bf decided to get married by next yr, so they have been having sex a few times d but my fren does not really enjoy it. She feel uncomfortable and she said its painful for her bcoz of it.

So, she's been giving excuses and tried to avoid from having sex coz even after she told him the problem, he still insist. Now her bf did not push my fren anymore, but he also did not tok to her. Did not touch her anymore, not even hold her hand!!! he basically just ignore my fren. Not just ignore, he totally pretend as if she's not there!!!! FYI, they're living together and both parents also know about their relationship and the suppose to be coming soon marriage(i dont really know if marriage will take place anymore anot) so their relationship is very very much a serious 1.

haiz....i did not know how i can comfort my fren but i personally disgusted at that guy. I wanna ask my fren to dump him straight out but then i just dun wan push my own opinion on her. Pls give ur opinion on this so i can tell my fren about it.
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to say that they are going to get married to have sex with the gal is so so so common trick of guys, don't know why gals still believe it. I bet the guy now doesn't want to marriage your friend anymore.
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QUOTE(AiRBooM @ Dec 20 2006, 04:44 PM)
My GF keen for sex 1 ler... how come your friend doesn't like the feeling of sex? and felt painful?? omg... what a world....  doh.gif

why is having sex called make love?? because make love can make them love each other more mah.... laugh.gif
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because make love must be more than 1 people,
and the whole process must get co-operation from each others
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QUOTE(vincent_audio @ Dec 20 2006, 05:06 PM)
to say that they are going to get married to have sex with the gal is so so so common trick of guys, don't know why gals still believe it. I bet the guy now doesn't want to marriage your friend anymore.
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Uh thats true....happened to my friend
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Stupid topic ...
And Im surprised by how many ppl voted no ...
I really dunno why they voted no ...
If sex is not important, then why bother about it ...
If you can get along without having sex at all then only you vote no ...
This is not a thread about pre-marital sex ...

If sex not important, cut your d*** off and see how your gf respond ...
Dont be an idiot ... of course sex is important regardless of whether love come first or sex come first ... if wanna continue debate whether love come first or sex come first, click on the NEW TOPIC button... morons
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QUOTE(vincent_audio @ Dec 20 2006, 04:56 PM)
i damn like ur answer. Do u have a daughter or sister that i can tackle ? Or imagine the guy who go after ur sister/daughter say that to u. Your sister/daughter keen to have sex with him. Hahahahaha.
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what's the problem huh? unsure.gif
u have a daughter... for sure she will go pak tor or get married 1 day.... so that's her problem whether she keen to has sex with her BF/husband...
and u try to ask most of the girl (not LYN girl lar), they enjoy sex as much as you do ... not only guy hamsap nowadays.. remember that... i knew some of my female friends, they are more hamsap than me ler! laugh.gif
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hell ya, it's important!!
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cont in the other thread in kopitiam and close this thread la... unsure.gif
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is sex really important is too general for me la.

different stages got different levels IMO. beginning of relationship, the guy keep wanting u moist, go kick his balls (serious)
if married, pity him and have sex with him la... DIY causes low self esteem la and relationship not fresh tongue.gif
later stages of marriage, not really as can cause death tongue.gif
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wow TS you better close this thread soon. there are some people flaming around here already smile.gif
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 14 2006, 02:02 PM)
I read book....and the book is widely distributed around the whole globe.
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QUOTE(Lucifer_Light @ Dec 7 2006, 11:50 AM)
I voted no. Sex is just one way to make a relationship bloom, but without it, my relationship with my BF doesn't just fall around my ears. I am with my BF for almost 3 years, but we never have sex also. 3 years leh... if ever getting married also need to wait 5 more years. So without sex, he will leave me? Then let him leave la... he is then not worth it. I agree that communication is the key to a good healty relationship, and add fun and love mah enuff lor.

Coming back to the threadstarter's post... I think the guy is an a$$hole (IMHO), and after reading all the posts, seemed that alot of people is supporting the guy. I would have told the girl: Leave him. If you have to accomodate his ego, and his ego is so super inflated and all he can think of is himself, he is not worth the sacrifice. Just tell him God gave him two hands, ask him to make love to those hands la.

Then I look at the guy side and wonder what could he have done when his gf told him: I don't want to have sex with you.

Hmmm... He could just apologise and say sorry, and say he'll wait till she is ready (because she will want to have sex one day and she will come to him). If he really loves her, he will wait. If he doesn't, you know where this is heading la.

Or maybe he got those words so thrown blatantly into his face that he doesn't know how to react, so still in a shock. Haha.

Are they still living together?
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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 23 2006, 04:48 PM)
there is no GOD. deal with it !
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QUOTE(edifgrto @ Dec 23 2006, 05:20 PM)
No voted. smile.gif
Actually the consequences of sex is more important to me. I love babies...  wub.gif
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QUOTE(DayDevil @ Dec 23 2006, 05:49 PM)
Hmmm...I maybe a bit bad in expressing my opinion...but how can you so sure that your BF will not look for another one or actually have a sex partner somewhere out there?
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for topic starter: i think u should advice ur frend to accept sex, i think ur frend get a closed mind, not open mind, she think sex is somethings dirty and not good, and ur frend aso not very join the SEX i think. The boy also need some skills and knowledge, like be4, while and after sex also hv skill one, not just straight go in, like when u r a generals and u go for war without strategies and u just rush to enemies there u sure lose easily right? same that u hving sex lar, that boy need to let the girl high be4 the chorous start.

i recommended ur frend and ur frend's BF watch some XXX movie then only go for real one.

correct me if i'm wrong
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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 09:21 AM)
Recently, a fren of mind encounter a problem. She and her bf decided to get married by next yr, so they have been having sex a few times d but my fren does not really enjoy it. She feel uncomfortable and she said its painful for her bcoz of it.

So, she's been giving excuses and tried to avoid from having sex coz even after she told him the problem, he still insist. Now her bf did not push my fren anymore, but he also did not tok to her. Did not touch her anymore, not even hold her hand!!! he basically just ignore my fren. Not just ignore, he totally pretend as if she's not there!!!! FYI, they're living together and both parents also know about their relationship and the suppose to be coming soon marriage(i dont really know if marriage will take place anymore anot) so their relationship is very very much a serious 1.

haiz....i did not know how i can comfort my fren but i personally disgusted at that guy. I wanna ask my fren to dump him straight out but then i just dun wan push my own opinion on her. Pls give ur opinion on this so i can tell my fren about it.
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Didn't really read the rest of the replies, except that last one, which IMHO was completely chauvinistic.

Sex should not be a necessary ingredient of any relationship, at least, while they are still in the courting/dating phase. Call me "kolot", but I believe in sex after marriage, because I believe its sacred.

Sex however, is a necessary ingredient in a marriage, BUT should not be the deciding factor on whether a marriage goes on or not.

My opinion on your friend's BF -- this is totally ridiculous. He's ignoring her because she doesn't want to have sex with him? It only goes to show you that the most important thing to him, is sex. You then have to question the motive of why he ever dated her in the first place. This kind of guy should be neutered and dumped.
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QUOTE(ionStorm @ Dec 29 2006, 07:11 PM)
Didn't really read the rest of the replies, except that last one, which IMHO was completely chauvinistic.

Sex should not be a necessary ingredient of any relationship, at least, while they are still in the courting/dating phase. Call me "kolot", but I believe in sex after marriage, because I believe its sacred.

Sex however, is a necessary ingredient in a marriage, BUT should not be the deciding factor on whether a marriage goes on or not.

My opinion on your friend's BF -- this is totally ridiculous. He's ignoring her because she doesn't want to have sex with him? It only goes to show you that the most important thing to him, is sex. You then have to question the motive of why he ever dated her in the first place. This kind of guy should be neutered and dumped.
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quite true and i agree with you too, if true love and feeling for each other is only by look and sex only thats not called love, its lust... and how long will this continue?
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after married, call their family for help, u should said their situation to their parent, and ask their parent ask them to born a baby for them.

this might be possible but also might be impossible
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Sorry to say, but the boy is being a jackass. Yes, sex should be enjoy by both partner but note that again, it should be enjoy by both. Not both must enjoy.

I feel sorry for the girl. Love is about passion. I don't see the passion in that boy who only thinks for him self, self-centred and simple minded guy. He's totally addicted to sex.

The other guys, please don't be like him. I do not say that sex is not important, but in this case, I vote no. Poor thing...
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lol, everybody has his/her own point of view, maybe u vote no but i'm voting yes, but if u want a baby then u must hv sx lar, if u want a life that dont want to hv sex also can.
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Personally I voted for yes.

Sex is very important in a relationship BUT I agree that is should not be the sole factor to determine the relationship. Its a great way for both sides to communicate but often times this is abused i.e. one side is doing it for pure pleasure. Maybe the girl does not want sex because she feels insecure of the bf. There are actually girls that do not enjoy sex... weird as it seems but then again most of them that feel weird are guys.

I feel that both of them really need time to talk it through and she needs to clearly lay down the rules. Imagine if they were married and she felt this great obligation to give in all the time... seems to me like its no point then... although the guy won't notice/complain about it too.
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y the guy act so harsh to his own gf tat soon will get together? even sex mechine wil break down lo..
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Listen to me. Sex is very important.
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Sex IS important. But it doesn't have to be the number 1 thing in the relationship. This kind of situation come up, not so simple as saying "the guy's a jackass".

Come on la. Most guys, if just in that situation where you feel you are rejected, that's a painful letdown too. I bet the guy's pride was just hurt.

The problem is probably communication more than anything. If the guy is a jackass or the girl is a b****, then why their relationship so far along already? The girl has to make her feelings clear, or at least try to. Why is she not enjoying the sex? Is it a medical reason? Psychological? Only because want to wait until after marriage? Just saying "I don't feel comfortable, and that's that" is not a good thing either. If she still likes the guy she needs to let him know through OTHER WAYS than sex. From a guy's point of view, sometimes we just need 'relationship things' to be discussed very clearly rather than letting us jump to our own conclusions.

Of course, the guy shouldn't just insist only lar. If he thinks sex is the only way to prove their relationship that's bad too. But 2 of them need to try to work it out someway. A girl cannot just keep repeating "I don't want sex" without further explanation. This kind of problem will not magically go away if she ends up with some other man who is willing to wait until after marriage etc. A guy also cannot simply respond to this kind of remark with the silent treatment.

Haiz it always amazes me...wonder if sex or money is harder for 2 ppl in a relationship to discuss.
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SEX is important..

but only after marriage...

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QUOTE(mindkiller6610 @ Dec 30 2006, 12:29 AM)
SEX is important..

but only after marriage...
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well, the questionaire was rather vague. anyway, sex is important in terms of 'human bonding', part of nature's cycle, reproductive purposes, and last but not least, pleasure biggrin.gif .

however, i agree with you abt having sex after marriage. premarital sex is a no no n i hope the gurls wouldn't fall easily towards your boyfriends request to do so. u'll be the biggest loser.
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after for so long u guys still arguing..? i spent more than 1 1/2 hour reading this thread... it leads to no where.. stop all this... icon_rolleyes.gif
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y no premarital sex ??

read about TS's fren stories..and many more stories...

girls..wake up please..

aikss....

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IMO sex is needed in a relationship, but of course should not be forced to the extent like in TS's case. It's not wrong to have pre-maritial sex, just wrong morally which differ's to each and every different person. I think sanook and wacky-angel just have some misunderstanding between them tho, sanook does not really mean that we must have sex everyday hour in a relationship, but in a relationship sex for the guy and the girl is equally important and very well normal, but there's no need to rush it. (Though i agree that 3 years is kinda abit torture for the guy lol). But wacky-angel isnt right o say that a guy can survive sex until after marriage or when the girl is ready, because i think it should be a mental torture for the guy to be like that. And one of the reason why wacky-angel is of sure in his relationship is maybe because birds of the same feather flock together (no offence just my opinion).
I think just there's 2 parties here which have different opinions and morality, and we all each have our own ways of living life. Sorry if i offended anyone in this post
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haiz!! off topic lar!!

to topic starter: ask ur frend and her BF to watch more porn movie to learn more about sex lar, or go to some porn website, after marrige, they know wat to do already.
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U guys are really funny...

U guys said its not wrong to have pre-marital sex...
But yet the girl is WRONG to deny sex...

And u guys are saying if any arguements regarding this issue, the girl must obey the guy's satisfaction, and even have to learn from porno.....

In other words, girls must have pre-marital sex.....up to extend in order to sustain/keep thier bf...


Do i interpreted correctly?

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that boy love the girl only because want to hv sex with that girl? if the girl/boy need to hv sex with each other to keep their relationship then better throw it away be4 sex, coz WARRANTY VOID IF SEAL BROKEN!! ^^
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I think the guy shud think maturely....couples are always have 2 b communicate...
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QUOTE(sanook @ Dec 23 2006, 03:48 PM)
there is no GOD. deal with it !
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Or u believe in re-incarnation into a pig or something?
Or maybe u believe u'd just vanish into thin air...
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Someone else prolly already said this but....

Sex can...
1) Make a good relationship stronger and closer
2) Make a unsteady relationship have more problems which will later cause them to breakup.

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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 09:21 AM)
Recently, a fren of mind encounter a problem. She and her bf decided to get married by next yr, so they have been having sex a few times d but my fren does not really enjoy it. She feel uncomfortable and she said its painful for her bcoz of it.

So, she's been giving excuses and tried to avoid from having sex coz even after she told him the problem, he still insist. Now her bf did not push my fren anymore, but he also did not tok to her. Did not touch her anymore, not even hold her hand!!! he basically just ignore my fren. Not just ignore, he totally pretend as if she's not there!!!! FYI, they're living together and both parents also know about their relationship and the suppose to be coming soon marriage(i dont really know if marriage will take place anymore anot) so their relationship is very very much a serious 1.

haiz....i did not know how i can comfort my fren but i personally disgusted at that guy. I wanna ask my fren to dump him straight out but then i just dun wan push my own opinion on her. Pls give ur opinion on this so i can tell my fren about it.
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Voted "Yes".

i've decided to skip the 14 pages of replies and proceed with replying..

to a guy, the sexual relationship can mean one kind of recognition to the relationship.
so her reactions to his eyes could be somewhat a demotion to the relationship.

before disgusting the guy, one should probably put oneself in his shoe, imagine that ur partner express dislike--at some point even reject all kinds of intimacy to take place, how would u feel?
he, in this case should not be the only one to get the blame.
they both share equally responsibility to make the relationship works.

the pain during the initial few times of sex is bound to happen.
Try using lubricants and better foreplay before attempting again.

they may need counseling if this situation continues, marital counselors might help too.

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QUOTE(weeluvmal @ Jan 1 2007, 12:33 PM)
Voted "Yes".

i've decided to skip the 14 pages reply and proceed to replying..
to a guy, the sexual relationship can mean one kind of recognition to the relationship.
so her reactions to his eyes could be somewhat a demotion to the relationship.

before disgusting the guy, one should probably put oneself in his shoe, imagine that ur partner express dislike--at some point even reject all kinds of intimacy to take place, how would u feel?
he, in this case should not be the only one to get the blame.
they both share equally responsibility to make the relationship works.

the pain during the initial few times of sex is bound to happen.
Try using lubricants and better foreplay before attempting again.

they may need counseling if this situation continues, marital counselors might help too.
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I guessed u didnt read my post
Go here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/378926/+240#
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no all girls know how to foreply and lubricant i think, coz some they lack of knowledge, and girls seldom see porn movie, so they wont know that.

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depend gua......nx time u wan find a bf/gf , better ask his/her "is it sex important" if his/her answer "yes" then this guy/girl can say bb liao
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Jan 1 2007, 12:35 PM)
I guessed u didnt read my post
Go here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/378926/+240#
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obviously, i didn't. whistling.gif
and i doubt if my reply has got anything to do with your post, after all my reply is for the TS. rolleyes.gif

btw, that's not the right way to point to the link of a particular post.
try click on the "Post #XXX", and paste the link provided instead.

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Sex of coz is important, but depends on how the 2 person deal with it.

And the guy ignore the girl becoz get rejected for sex ? I guess the guy is abit small kid la oni know how to ask and neva guide his galfren properly, but the girl also 1 thing, she neva learn the proper way to smoothen the sex life. So in the end,

the guy ask for sex = gal reject
the gal reject = guy boh song
guy bohsong = girl sad
girl sad = guy sien
guy sien = dea damage to the relationship.

so whats the point even if get married if the problem cant even dig out the roots ? still taht miserable. If a relationship with no sex, i would say it cant last long. If girl always want her man to use mouth to tell her "I love u" of coz man as well need girl use the action to show that she love him as well.
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QUOTE(7chai @ Jan 1 2007, 01:10 PM)
man as well need girl use the action to show that she love him as well.
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Jan 1 2007, 01:27 PM)
U can find "love" at Jln Alor tongue.gif
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to all guys who say no sex before marriage i really find that ludicrous.. lol
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sex be4 marriage is shouldn't but after married is must lar, if u want to hv a baby
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WTH Is it without sex, your relationship will crumble???

YES [71.54%] adoi....

NO[28.46%]

i cant believe it i dont think my gf will ever allow sEx to happen if didnt get married yet ................

but all of you terror put yes i dont know how already tongue.gif
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QUOTE(tomzy @ Jan 1 2007, 06:39 PM)
to all guys who say no sex before marriage i really find that ludicrous.. lol
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sex be4 marriage is shouldn't but after married is must lar, if u want to hv a baby
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time paradox

well, we can have babies without sexual intercourse. it's called, in-vitro fertilization. abstinence ftw!!!
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QUOTE(quintessential @ Jan 1 2007, 09:46 PM)
time paradox

well, we can have babies without sexual intercourse. it's called, in-vitro fertilization.  abstinence ftw!!!
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WaCKy-Angel, u still bo shong with those ppl that says about premarital sex is okay?Why bother what they say?they belief in what they belief, you belief in what you belief. That's all.No need to prove that you are right or they are right.

I dont see where this topic is going.Kinda out of topic. Besides, the thread starter also never bother to reply us... sad.gif
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QUOTE(cadmus @ Jan 1 2007, 10:21 PM)
WaCKy-Angel, u still bo shong with those ppl that says about premarital sex is okay?Why bother what they say?they belief in what they belief, you belief in what you belief. That's all.No need to prove that you are right or they are right.

I dont see where this topic is going.Kinda out of topic. Besides, the thread starter also never bother to reply us... sad.gif
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dude, WaCKy-Angel just wanna show how holy he is. Its a way of promoting. Mostly church chick will kena rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(7chai @ Jan 2 2007, 02:33 PM)
dude, WaCKy-Angel just wanna show how holy he is. Its a way of promoting. Mostly church chick will kena  rclxms.gif
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Neah im not holy......

Im just pointing out that the fact, man wants woman to obey them....
If u dont know what im talking about, kindly read my previous posts.
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Is the fact, man want their woman obey them, shudnt say obey. I would call that as comply with. It cant change, if 1 day ur woman no longer listen to u, becareful.

And of coz if u dun want ur woman obey you, then u want her to obey with nother guy ?
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People always deny themselves that they wont "do" it before marriage. But, how certain can it be? Just prepare for the unexpected day la. If it happens unexpectedly, I recommend u guys (girls) to rush to the Guardian and buy the "morning after" pill. It wont cost you much I think. My aunt said it's about RM 12++ only. After that "kao tim". Dun worry liao. (wei, I havent experience b4 le, just some advise from my aunt tongue.gif)
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u also shouldn't say listen, u say say love
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QUOTE(7chai @ Jan 2 2007, 03:31 PM)
Is the fact, man want their woman obey them, shudnt say obey. I would call that as comply with. It cant change, if 1 day ur woman no longer listen to u, becareful.

And of coz if u dun want ur woman obey you, then u want her to obey with nother guy ?
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In relationship, there's a thing called RESPECT and TOLERANCE...

If a man wants sex, his woman may not refuse..
If a woman dont want sex, she is obligated to comply....

Do u see any respect and tolerance?
Oh so u said if the girl really loves u, she will give u?
So that means u never love her enough to not to ask for sex?
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Jan 2 2007, 03:42 PM)
In relationship, there's a thing called RESPECT and TOLERANCE...

If a man wants sex, his woman may not refuse..
If a woman dont want sex, she is obligated to comply....

Do u see any respect and tolerance?
Oh so u said if the girl really loves u, she will give u?
So that means u never love her enough to not to ask for sex?
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of coz there must have respect and tolerance in the 1st place. Or else how that 2 person get together ? If the woman choose a man that doesnt know how to tolerance and respect her I would call her stupid wei.

And another thing is even if the gal have sex with u not necessary she love u what.

Just look that in this way, if the guy have the needs and his galfren couldnt fulfill his need at all even once so can u expect the guy still can treat her loyal and wont find another 1 ?
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Wacky-angel,
wah, din know that my reply to you would bring in more argument. sorry about that.


QUOTE(Moonstroke @ Jan 2 2007, 03:39 PM)
People always deny themselves that they wont "do" it before marriage. But, how certain can it be? Just prepare for the unexpected day la. If it happens unexpectedly, I recommend u guys (girls) to rush to the Guardian and buy the "morning after" pill. It wont cost you much I think. My aunt said it's about RM 12++ only. After that "kao tim". Dun worry liao. (wei, I havent experience b4 le, just some advise from my aunt tongue.gif)
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hm, ok..i know what is pil pencegah kehamilan.. but i've not come across this morning after pill yet.i know that most common pill pencegah kehamilan msut take everyday for at least 1 month continously n such.. So, i was just wandering whether would you tell me more aobut this 'morning after' pill? From the way u say it is as if, once you take this morning after pill,pregnancy is avoidable for a certain period of time. hmm.gif

don't flame me.i just feel it's a knowledge. whistling.gif

EDIT:i just google it up. Seems like the sideeffect is very scary.
http://www.morningafterpill.org/mapinfo1.htm

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QUOTE(7chai @ Jan 2 2007, 03:52 PM)
Just look that in this way, if the guy have the needs and his galfren couldnt fulfill his need at all even once so can u expect the guy still can treat her loyal and wont find another 1 ?
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Nope i wont find another girl...
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Jan 2 2007, 11:58 PM)
Nope i wont find another girl...
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come on la, that is u wei. If u know u are good then u are, and me myself wont encourage pre-marital sex, but why i insist that sex are important for relationship in this thread. That is because, there got so much example happen around. Either u can see it, hear it or u lucky enuff u may experience it.

For a guy that chase over a gal, I wont say 100% is becoz of love, i would say 50/50 between love and lust. I know u know this, but what I hope is u can really understand this.
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QUOTE(7chai @ Jan 3 2007, 12:58 PM)
come on la, that is u wei. If u know u are good then u are, and me myself wont encourage pre-marital sex, but why i insist that sex are important for relationship in this thread. That is because, there got so much example happen around. Either u can see it, hear it or u lucky enuff u may experience it.

For a guy that chase over a gal, I wont say 100% is becoz of love, i would say 50/50 between love and lust. I know u know this, but what I hope is u can really understand this.
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QUOTE(whoopa @ Jan 3 2007, 01:12 PM)
just face it ..7chai is a horny guy hahahs
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Well it is totally up to you whether you want sex or not?
It shouldnt only guys want sex. Girls do want sex too.
Therefore dont look at one gender only.

If it is mutually agreed to have sex after married then there is nothing wrong. There is nothing wrong also if both agreed to have sex before married. But either one gender want sex before married then it is totally up to the other gender willing to give in or not. In relationship is all about mutual understanding (give and take). Therefore it is hard to judge someone from third party perspective. As long as if you want to do it better dont be regret about it and later complain is the other gender fault. Please take responsibility too. It needs two hand to clap to make a sound.

For those want virgin, there is nothing wrong about it too. It is your freedom and your human rights. Those people said you are stupid, there is no such thing, you can always choose not to listen to them. It is your choice and nobody can stop you from making that choice. But those who want virgin also shouldnt force someone from having pre-marital sex because it is their choice too. The word "RESPECT" come into place here. Respect someone need courage. Dont tell me because someone doesnt support your principle and you want to end the friendship with them. It is their choice of life.
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QUOTE(jackal1950 @ Jan 3 2007, 01:39 PM)
Well it is totally up to you whether you want sex or not?
It shouldnt only guys want sex. Girls do want sex too.
Therefore dont look at one gender only.

If it is mutually agreed to have sex after married then there is nothing wrong. There is nothing wrong also if both agreed to have sex before married. But either one gender want sex before married then it is totally up to the other gender willing to give in or not. In relationship is all about mutual understanding (give and take). Therefore it is hard to judge someone from third party perspective. As long as if you want to do it better dont be regret about it and later complain is the other gender fault. Please take responsibility too. It needs two hand to clap to make a sound.

For those want virgin, there is nothing wrong about it too. It is your freedom and your human rights. Those people said you are stupid, there is no such thing, you can always choose not to listen to them. It is your choice and nobody can stop you from making that choice. But those who want virgin also shouldnt force someone from having pre-marital sex because it is their choice too. The word "RESPECT" come into place here. Respect someone need courage. Dont tell me because someone doesnt support your principle and you want to end the friendship with them. It is their choice of life.
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QUOTE(jackal1950 @ Jan 3 2007, 02:39 PM)
Well it is totally up to you whether you want sex or not?
It shouldnt only guys want sex. Girls do want sex too.
Therefore dont look at one gender only.

If it is mutually agreed to have sex after married then there is nothing wrong. There is nothing wrong also if both agreed to have sex before married. But either one gender want sex before married then it is totally up to the other gender willing to give in or not. In relationship is all about mutual understanding (give and take). Therefore it is hard to judge someone from third party perspective. As long as if you want to do it better dont be regret about it and later complain is the other gender fault. Please take responsibility too. It needs two hand to clap to make a sound.

For those want virgin, there is nothing wrong about it too. It is your freedom and your human rights. Those people said you are stupid, there is no such thing, you can always choose not to listen to them. It is your choice and nobody can stop you from making that choice. But those who want virgin also shouldnt force someone from having pre-marital sex because it is their choice too. The word "RESPECT" come into place here. Respect someone need courage. Dont tell me because someone doesnt support your principle and you want to end the friendship with them. It is their choice of life.
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how's the couple already now?? are they going to get married soon or what???

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kiss?
Hug?
rub rub?
mutual masturbation?
oral sex?
everything except penetration(intercourse)?

I am only new to lyn for a week or two, and i am really shocked to see how naive most lyn'ers are!




Whats so ABNORMAL about 3years relationship without sex?
NONE OF THE ABOVE
Nive or abnormal arent judge by humans...
Who are u to judge? God ?

My book says pre-marital sex = adultry.
Sanook's book says pre-marital sex = fun, pleasure, etc etc etc

From my point of view, its wrong and i will try to advise others too..
From sanook's point of view, its complete NORMAL and a MUST HAVE and will advise others (despise others who dont follow)....

So my point is.....whatever u do wont affect me....
I do not need to sacrifice myself to make u listen to me.
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I also wonder what would be your reaction when someday u find out that the "GUN" you have been reserving for so long is actually "non-functional" or in fact your lovely "holy GUN" has "shot" and caused a lot of "VICTIM" without your knowledge....haha..
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pre-marital or marital, theres no way id refuse sex especially good chance one! Those who refuse, religion aside, are geeks!
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Well I guess a lot of you here are teenagers or minors.

Sex in marriage is extremely important. Having a healthy sex life is almost always the most paramount importance in a healthy marriage, and there are many marriages that failed due to the lack of a healthy sexual connection between the two.

We live in Asia, where people are extremely close minded and taboo about sex, partly thanks to chauvinistic religious teachings (that insist on virginity), and this is an indirect cause to unhealthy sexual life in most marriages.

Firstly, we don't talk about sex. It is taboo. Then, we have people who scream the "holier-than-thou" image telling people premarital sex is wrong, when they don't seem to understand the source of the problem at all. And finally we have hyprocrit pastors who tell each other that sex is bad but crave it themselves deep inside.

To the TS, tell your friend this - don't be afraid to talk to her bf about sex, and the both of them should see a councellor. It might be her not liking sex due to the above mentioned reasons, or it might be him not knowing how to please her or push the right buttons. In either way, it is a problem that both of them should come together to solve (no pun intended), as in all problems in marriage.

Just get them to a psychiatrist or a marriage councellor. And oh, when I say councellor, I mean qualified ones, not those you grab from the church. Those are the really screwed up ones most of the time.
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QUOTE(soggie @ Jan 24 2007, 10:42 AM)
Sex in marriage is extremely important. Having a healthy sex life is almost always the most paramount importance in a healthy marriage, and there are many marriages that failed due to the lack of a healthy sexual connection between the two.

To the TS, tell your friend this - don't be afraid to talk to her bf about sex, and the both of them should see a councellor. It might be her not liking sex due to the above mentioned reasons, or it might be him not knowing how to please her or push the right buttons. In either way, it is a problem that both of them should come together to solve (no pun intended), as in all problems in marriage...
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I'd just like to reiterate your point above, soggie icon_rolleyes.gif and thanks. To the TS, you've mentioned that your friend is supposedly "thick-headed" and won't be forced into doing anything she doesn't like. That could be a good thing as long as it's with good reason.

But in the reality of it, sex IS important for a healthy marriage. Yes, you could say it's not the only thing or everything IN marriage. Good point. But I didn't say it shouldn't be either. As far as your friend is concerned, I don't see much sense in blaming "painful intercourse" as the one reason NOT to have sex at all and hope life will go on well in her marriage. Is she aware of the root cause of it in the first place before throwing sex out of the picture? (could be due to multitude of reasons for eg lack of foreplay, lubrication or even could be a medical condition)

As for your friend's hubby, blaming the "denial from sex" thing and that alone to justify giving a cold shoulder is WRONG too. Again...not trying to understand the root cause(s).

Talk. Talk heart-to-heart. Get help. Get professional help.

IMHO, to those that still thinks "sex isn't required for a healthy and happy marriage", please discard your imaginary wings and step your feet back on the ground. Welcome to reality.

Cheers!

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QUOTE(hcbing @ Jan 24 2007, 12:17 PM)
I'd just like to reiterate your point above, soggie  icon_rolleyes.gif and thanks. To the TS, you've mentioned that your friend is supposedly "thick-headed" and won't be forced into doing anything she doesn't like. That could be a good thing as long as it's with good reason.

But in the reality of it, sex IS important for a healthy marriage. Yes, you could say it's not the only thing or everything IN marriage. Good point. But I didn't say it shouldn't be either. As far as your friend is concerned, I don't see much sense in blaming "painful intercourse" as the one reason NOT to have sex at all and hope life will go on well in her marriage. Is she aware of the root cause of it in the first place before throwing sex out of the picture? (could be due to multitude of reasons for eg lack of foreplay, lubrication or even could be a medical condition)

As for your friend's hubby, blaming the "denial from sex" thing and that alone to justify giving a cold shoulder is WRONG too. Again...not trying to understand the root cause(s).

Talk. Talk heart-to-heart. Get help. Get professional help.

IMHO, to those that still thinks "sex isn't required for a healthy and happy marriage", please discard your imaginary wings and step your feet back on the ground. Welcome to reality.

Cheers!
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The guy does not respect ur friend... yawn.gif

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QUOTE(jasondotcom @ Jan 26 2007, 12:47 AM)
The guy does not respect ur friend...  yawn.gif
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i gt a fren's gf aso complain to me .its very pain to have sex wif my fren..den i advice my fren to push hardeer ...
den after a week i heard he say her lubang small ...tats y she pain ...now sudah boleh liao..... she say not painful anymore ...its actually not anyone's fault ..but if pain ..den muz make the hole bigger lar ...rite ...i'm juz giving my opinion....
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QUOTE(expantyhoesthief @ Feb 1 2007, 01:35 AM)
i gt a fren's gf aso complain to me .its very pain to have sex wif my fren..den i advice my fren to push hardeer ...
den after a week i heard he say her lubang small ...tats y she pain ...now sudah boleh liao..... she say not painful anymore ...its actually not anyone's fault ..but if pain ..den muz make the hole bigger lar ...rite ...i'm juz giving my opinion....
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dang it man, don't give anyone your opinion!
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QUOTE(expantyhoesthief @ Feb 1 2007, 01:35 AM)
i gt a fren's gf aso complain to me .its very pain to have sex wif my fren..den i advice my fren to push hardeer ...
den after a week i heard he say her lubang small ...tats y she pain ...now sudah boleh liao..... she say not painful anymore ...its actually not anyone's fault ..but if pain ..den muz make the hole bigger lar ...rite ...i'm juz giving my opinion....
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I dunno wat kind of opinion is that n wat it is better for this topic sad.gif

By asking the guy to push harder n make the O bigger is juz simply unrespectable...

Some opinion should not b posted.......

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I do agree wif the previous forumer...Sex is important to keep a healthy marriage. Marriage is not juz a thing of living together, is a sharing, acceptance and thats includes emotion n physical...sex.

Find the root cause...Talk...guys kind of hard to talk wif bout this issue, especially if he is a conservative one.
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It is important :-) it's a needs
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QUOTE(MX510 @ Feb 1 2007, 11:58 PM)
It is important :-) it's a needs
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without sex,what is the means of be human ,
and live in this world???????????????????????????? tongue.gif
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while sex is important for any relationship, a relationship is not all about sex.
tat guy surely needs to understand the gal better, i wonder how they planned to get married if simple thing like this also cant be settled.

best way or ur fren, go to sum counsellor, they can give better n professional advices. gud luck!
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QUOTE(refnulf @ Feb 1 2007, 08:03 PM)
dang it man, don't give anyone your opinion!
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soreee man ..was juz jkjk ..but the story is true one lar ..now both of them happi lor...since after hers koyak ..heh ...my fren was like so scard wen he saw hers koyak abit n was like bleding ..then come ask me n my frenz ...we say its normal wat..hole small wawt to do n some gurls realli scare pain ...like my other fren who's girl ask him to poke halfway bcoz she said its painful ...huhuhu...

actually if woma pain means either hole small or bcoz the guy din take enuf action to make it losser ...guys i'm sure u noe wat i meant
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it is important! the guy should have technic then the girl would feel painful and will enjoy it.. sometimes guy need to"heat up".. guy pls do longer foreplay...
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ehh i got 1 question...
actually guys having sex with his gf... what is in his mind ah?
is he thinking of doing it with someone else in his mind?
or is he thinking of his thing inside doing some wonderful job... trying to do it like those porno films?
what what? is he thinking...really curious
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I think sex is not IMPORTANT .. but more to basic need ...however we won't die without it smile.gif
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sex important lah. If not human extinct jor.
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not so really important i think hmm.gif
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IMO

Sex is important in a marriage.

However it should not be the defining quality of your relationship with the other person or who you are as a person. It should compliment the love that you feel for the other person and should be one of the ways that you show your love to the other person, it should be one of the many ways to express how you feel for the other person.

Sex means something when it is done with the person you love otherwise we would be nothing more than animals. Because all we would be doing is acting on instinct not understanding. This is one reason why pre-marital sex is not encouraged. Because sex should be a personal, intimate act.

And in order to feel that way about love and sex the person needs to be someone your committed to, and the marriage is the greatest form of commitment.

Sex starts in the mind, not the body, and when you share your mind and your body with another person you lose part of yourself to them and they to you, at least this how it should be.

However random sex and one night stands eventually make you an empty shell because you keep losing who you are and eventually you find that your life is meaning less and empty. Sex outside of marriage corrupts the soul because we keep dwelling on the next quick fix.

Did you know that the chemicals released by having sex is more addictive that cocaine?
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QUOTE(jazzebelle_jazz @ Feb 3 2007, 04:30 PM)
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QUOTE(kerc @ Feb 3 2007, 06:48 PM)
IMO

Sex is important in a marriage.

However it should not be the defining quality of your relationship with the other person or who you are as a person. It should compliment the love that you feel for the other person and should be one of the ways that you show your love to the other person, it should be one of the many ways to express how you feel for the other person.

Sex means something when it is done with the person you love otherwise we would be nothing more than animals. Because all we would be doing is acting on instinct not understanding. This is one reason why pre-marital sex is not encouraged. Because sex should be a personal, intimate act.

And in order to feel that way about love and sex the person needs to be someone your committed to, and the marriage is the greatest form of commitment.

Sex starts in the mind, not the body, and when you share your mind and your body with another person you lose part of yourself to them and they to you, at least this how it should be.

However random sex and one night stands eventually make you an empty shell because you keep losing who you are and eventually you find that your life is meaning less and empty. Sex outside of marriage corrupts the soul because we keep dwelling on the next quick fix.

Did you know that the chemicals released by having sex is more addictive that cocaine?
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woah...relegion talk about over this type of questions?i wont be saying you are wrong ...but you are certainly wrong to say that to others..it's up to you yourself to believe what you want and others have their own rights to believe what they believe...so pre-marital sex can't be said wrong ofcause like you said random sex and one night stands...then it's something wrong...at least to me

but i didn't know about the chemicals released by having sex... o.O something new there...
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sex is a need, and if the woman can't fulfill the need, then don't blame the man for having an affair.
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QUOTE(spanker @ Feb 4 2007, 09:19 AM)
sex is a need, and if the woman can't fulfill the need, then don't blame the man for having an affair.
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QUOTE(wai_w3ng @ Feb 4 2007, 06:29 AM)
woah...relegion talk about over this type of questions?i wont be saying you are wrong ...but you are certainly wrong to say that to others..it's up to you yourself to believe what you want and others have their own rights to believe what they believe...so pre-marital sex can't be said wrong ofcause like you said random sex and one night stands...then it's something wrong...at least to me

but i didn't know about the chemicals released by having sex... o.O something new there...
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yes sex is a need... however is it more important than your commitment?

If your wife isn't fulfilling your need why don't talk to her about it? Maybe it you who isn't fulfilling her needs?

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i say yes lor........ermmm...how to say.....maybe u think sex not so important....but some survey do have the result that a couple enjoying their sex life their marriage will happier
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QUOTE(kerc @ Feb 4 2007, 11:47 AM)
yes sex is a need... however is it more important than your commitment?

If your wife isn't fulfilling your need why don't talk to her about it? Maybe it you who isn't fulfilling her needs?
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Here we go with the chicken and egg type debate again. If she's really committed, she'd learn how to enjoy sex.
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yes..i think most of us find it ask a secondary chocolate a.k.a tension release..?
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iF SEX not important ..

then WTF of god create PENIS , VAGINA, ANAL for us ...

Oopss..ANAL maybe for other religion... blink.gif
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QUOTE(haobeck @ Feb 5 2007, 11:10 AM)
iF SEX not important ..

then WTF of god create PENIS , VAGINA, ANAL for us ...

Oopss..ANAL maybe for other religion...  blink.gif
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QUOTE(night @ Feb 5 2007, 11:59 AM)
To get baby lar
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ya... totally important!!! without sex! its bored! sex is everything other than money.. lol.. hahaha
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Of course sex is important if not what's the point of going out or being with the opposite sex!? if not might as well shave your head and be a monk biggrin.gif
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If sex has such huge importance in today's society, then what would happen to those who want to abstain till marriage?
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You can't compare love and sex, which is better, or whether they can be replaced. They compliments each other. agree?
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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 09:21 AM)
Recently, a fren of mind encounter a problem. She and her bf decided to get married by next yr, so they have been having sex a few times d but my fren does not really enjoy it. She feel uncomfortable and she said its painful for her bcoz of it.

So, she's been giving excuses and tried to avoid from having sex coz even after she told him the problem, he still insist. Now her bf did not push my fren anymore, but he also did not tok to her. Did not touch her anymore, not even hold her hand!!! he basically just ignore my fren. Not just ignore, he totally pretend as if she's not there!!!! FYI, they're living together and both parents also know about their relationship and the suppose to be coming soon marriage(i dont really know if marriage will take place anymore anot) so their relationship is very very much a serious 1.

haiz....i did not know how i can comfort my fren but i personally disgusted at that guy. I wanna ask my fren to dump him straight out but then i just dun wan push my own opinion on her. Pls give ur opinion on this so i can tell my fren about it.
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they have to sit down to talk about it, but for me, i do think sex is important in a relationship. Especially when they are married, knowing the fact your friend doesn't enjoy sex as much as he does perhaps put him off abit

the guy needs to ask why is the girl feeling uncomfortable? perhaps he does something that makes her feel that way? If they really want to make this relationship works they need to solve this problem soon. I have a feeling that that guy might look for other sex partners if your friend refuse/dislike to have sex with him.

Sex can helps to improve a relationship, so if you ask whether it's important i'd definitely say yes, for both men and women


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every human got the desire for sex.. except the one got problem. i think a healthy relationship nit to got both.. love n sex. couples cant enjoy healthy sexual life might nit profession help. the problem is : the guy willing to meet the profession o not ?
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he sucks he's not qualified to be her bf :S
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QUOTE(spanker @ Feb 4 2007, 10:19 AM)
sex is a need, and if the woman can't fulfill the need, then don't blame the man for having an affair.
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could be the other way round dont you think? probably the man "siok sendiri", thats why their gf/wife not so interested.. if the man is POWER enough, believe me they'll ask for more! u need to make it a win win situation.

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QUOTE(SihamZhai @ Dec 14 2007, 05:28 PM)
Guys are always desperate for sex... dotcomdotmy
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for man.. sexual desire/drive is not propotional to sex power.



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ohh.. a lengthy advice smile.gif
mm... I hope the problem will be solved soon.
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I have been wondering what do girl feel when having sex .. Is it painful or what ? I bet that guy will go out to find another girl to have sex even when they get married cuz life without sex for the rest of life is unbearable for man, well at least for me.

Flame me on that but I'm telling the truth. Btw, that guy's skill sucks.

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Guys and Gals is same..

IMHO la..

Guys and gals pak tor must be good in outer and inner..
but also same..
sex is also part of human development life.. whereas no 1 can avoid that..
so if you good, caring, cute, handsome, pretty, and etc etc.. so wat??
you bed skills s**ks,
you think things going to work out??
frankly, if you tell me that you can live without s*x, i say you dont even need to see this forum. cos you are a monk or nun..

Everyone need it is jz how much do you need it.. Wat is the purpose you need it.. Pleasure? Fulfilling promises? continuing generation? but still everyone need it.

so if you think all those attitude, looks, chatting skills, courting skills, pak tor skills is important, i think on the bed skills is much more important than that.. this is where most of human is tie down to. If you good in bed and good out of bed, i believe he or she wont think of looking for others..What for if a place can fulfill your every need and you spend more time in looking for 1 rite?

If im wrong please correct me. Is not im trying to tie up everyone is pervert or wat so ever, but we are human. We also have our own needs. thats y it is important for our life. Be frank and ask yourself.. how much you need it. Thats the only thing which actually differentiate each human for some will got to call God in the bed, Saint and also Perverted type..


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SEX is a part of next step in a relationship...
IMHO sex is important too in a relationship...

but of course if the girl doesnt willing to give it than dun need to be such a jerk and ignore her la...
need to talk to her ask why she so pain while doing it, is it need to put lubricant so can move easier...
coz some girl they got abit of juice so sometimes putting a bit of lubricant will do the trick...

IMHO sex could keep couples together for long time...
but of coz both party need to be understand each other problems and solve it... if just thinking of putting it in your GF and cum thats lame...
she oso want to feel good and enjoy...
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Romance is more important than sex in a love life. For a girl, i think huggin her often and pampering is lots more than wat she expects. For guys, i dono le.. depends on individual may b...
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This is why we all should give more attention on sex education smile.gif
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sex isn't important to me. I don't marry someone to have sex with them. That's retarded.
Sex is a bonus of marriage, not the foundation.

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in my opinion, both of them lack of sexperience. thats why happened this kind of thing. GUYS always straight to the point...when the girl is not ready. i think foreplay helps alot, will make each other even closer. eye contact is important!.
im here to hope they will fine and never thought that break up is totally solve the problem..its still exist

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haha who would go for a girl who doesnt likes SEX .. By seeing malaysian girls also know lar.. when i was in secondary skol, when guys ask girls bout alil dirty things only, they will go EWW get away from me, humsup etc etc.. But if you visit to guai lou countries, the girls already start masturbation as early as 13.. So in conclusion; my conclusion* lol, most of malaysian gals are too clean* n boring in terms of sex
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i think yes....it is important to gain love because sex fulfill the need of each side
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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Dec 17 2007, 11:30 AM)
sex isn't important to me. I don't marry someone to have sex with them. That's retarded.
Sex is a bonus of marriage, not the foundation.
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Yeah I agree with this. Its so perverted to think that sex is the only key to a successful marriage. How many hours can a couple have sex? After sex there must be healthy conversation. wub.gif
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just love it....
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=_= sighs...but if you all tought it is a perverted kind of thing...dont need to have baby loh...stay being a widow lol
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QUOTE(LyraSummersile @ Dec 20 2007, 08:01 AM)
=_= sighs...but if you all tought it is a perverted kind of thing...dont need to have baby loh...stay being a widow lol
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Actually biologically, we humans do need sex to maintain a healthy and happy relationship whether you like it or not. Of course the whole idea of 'have sex with me or i'll dump you' is absolutely wrong. Then again they're getting married and don't tell me she's gonna limit the amount of times they have sex each week? Go ask any relationship counselors and they'll tell you that sex does improve relationship between husband and wife. Perhaps your friend and his fiance should go seek help from a counselor to sort their problem.

*To me, sex is important but it shouldn't be the reason why we marry someone. However, saying that sex is a 'bonus' from marriage is wrong IMO. It's a biological need.*

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some girls also can have sex without love too u know.
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QUOTE(BlueHeng @ Dec 22 2007, 08:02 AM)
Actually biologically, we humans do need sex to maintain a healthy and happy relationship whether you like it or not. Of course the whole idea of 'have sex with me or i'll dump you' is absolutely wrong. Then again they're getting married and don't tell me she's gonna limit the amount of times they have sex each week? Go ask any relationship counselors and they'll tell you that sex does improve relationship between husband and wife. Perhaps your friend and his fiance should go seek help from a counselor to sort their problem.

*To me, sex is important but it shouldn't be the reason why we marry someone. However, saying that sex is a 'bonus' from marriage is wrong IMO. It's a biological need.*
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I'm just quoting that...but I personally believe it.
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hmmm i'm not gonna go all out and say you're wrong. Perhaps I don't understand what you're trying to say here. However, according to numerous surveys (sorry I can't provide a source but I watched it on discovery several times), wanna know when (in many many cases) does a relationship between husband and wife becomes unstable? Yes you guessed it right, when the woman reaches menopause.(This doesn't mean that the guy is a sex maniac, for some they won't even know that lack of sex is screwing up their marriage) That's why some people say that it's better if the wife is 3-5 years younger. I'm not saying that other relationships won't work. And yes, there are actually couples who don't have sex as often but are still happy. Either way it's not always the guy's fault. As I've said, sex is a biological need. We're still organisms. We still have instincts. But err.. as I said lor.. then again in TS's friend case I'm not sure whether they actually tried to discuss this matter properly and seek help or not.

@spunkberry: I see you actually modified your last post to make it more understandable. smile.gif

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Girls can also have sex without love these days. Basically, I think the TS friend should talk to the BF about the pain she feels. That way, the BF would understand the picture better than left misunderstood. It probably hurt his ego thinking that he wasnt performing well in bed.
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What it TS?

I feel very sad for the girl because when she dont give him her body, he ignore her completely. Why is there bf like this? Because she is uncomfortable, then she dont want. Surely she love him but he dont reply to her love the same way?
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NO. My relationship with my BF 7 years, but we never have sex also..that doesnt mean i dun like sex.. cos i just follow ur question biggrin.gif


ts = talk sex


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Sex = Direct connect between two systems.

STD = Virus Transmited from Direct Connect.

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for a person not to enjoy sex is a crime againts nature alltogather.
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well what if that person doesn't enjoy it cos of pain?
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the first time pain ok la if 2nd time 3rd time 4th time.
better see O&G doctor might have problem in ur Vagina.
Obstruction Tumour Cancer Infection or even worst you allergic to ur bf.

and when u say no to a guy when they want sex imagine your bf saying no when u want a birthday cake or a valentines present or a present in general or accompany you to shopping

and 7 yrs but no sex.
either u guys online bf and gf or ur bf is a gf
but he shaggin someother willing girl there seems to be a better explanation

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Of course it's important.

Even religious individuals who did not get married also had sex.
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They had an affair, molested children, wedlock children etc. whistling.gif

Yeah...sex is important.
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sex is d best gift from god! lol
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QUOTE(Lena314 @ Dec 28 2007, 11:00 AM)
ts = talk sex
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hahaha! i almost laughed..

wel btw, i think sex does plays role in relationships. but not casual kinda sex, its the love kidna sex, after u get to know each other for sometime, then maybe u wudd wana bring ur relationship further, probably making out. Sex is not a step further, its like 1 thousand step further than making-out. theres friends who does not get effected by sex. when it comes to sex conversation he always tells me "girl is to love, not to ****", maybe he got a point, depends on individual le, if the individual is not sexually active den theres no choice.

the TS mentioned about her fren felt pain during intercourse, probably this is because all of males have different size of penises, longer, masser and so on. that goes the same as females, where their vagina could be tighter or looser naturally. * i read this somewhere, its not my own hypothesis *

just my 2cents, peace!
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tat guy should watch xxx while having sex.. can learn from there... haha..

ur fren feel pain?? hmm... did she "do" b4 or still virgin? if still virgin den of course pain lo... or mayb tat guy's "ahem" too big?? XD

just my 2 cent... ^^
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well, everyone have to pass this stage even your parents..... but 1stly, must find out that the guy love her or only love sex.... Action should be taken after you know the answer....

Answer 1: Love Her,
> try to rebuild the relations cause your friend is already "do" with the guy, so..... it's hard to look for a new one cause not virgin anymore.

Answer 2: Love Sex,
> then nothing she can do... but must dump that guy and bad mouth him or talk bad about him. Maybe can Sue him for raping your friend XD....


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there are alot of factor in a relationship...not just only sex. sex is just one of them..so if ya telling me that without sex it may ruin ur relationship is totally b***sh*t.

if ur bf or fiancee ignores u if you dun gif in, then he's a very swallow guy..he doesn't understands u..
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QUOTE(akchang @ Feb 22 2008, 02:29 PM)
there are alot of factor in a relationship...not just only sex. sex is just one of them..so if ya telling me that without sex it may ruin ur relationship is totally b***sh*t.

if ur bf or fiancee ignores u if you dun gif in, then he's a very swallow guy..he doesn't understands u..
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if she didnt like sex now..will she like sex after married? if not also, how about the guy, mast his whole life?
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I vote "yes" too...cos Sex is just another way to express Love and care....hahaha icon_idea.gif

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sex is an important part of a relationship lah. especially after marriage.

one- your friend doesn't like sex because it hurts. hello, of course it hurts lah if it's the first few times. she can't just shut him off from sex totally because it hurts her, that's pretty selfish.

two- him not showing any affection is also selfish.

conclusion? they totally shouldn't get married. it's gonna be heading for disaster if they can't realize that love is selfless and it's about both of you being happy and reaching a compromise. it's not possible for her to not have sex EVER because she doesn't like it. two, he has to understand other ways to make it better for her.

can't say that sex is not important, but can't say that it's the most important thing. sex, like anything else, should be in moderation. there's no such extremes.
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QUOTE(matthewctj @ Feb 22 2008, 03:46 PM)
Erm, shallow you mean?  doh.gif  Only women swallow  whistling.gif
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Very interesting topic indeed smile.gif Perhaps the gf would like to find out why is it painful?
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Watson, Guardian, petrol stations, 7-11s..they are all selling the lubricants..few choices..I never use it before, but lately I always visited Watson and accidentally saw many new different packing and different flavour..It doesn't cost too much, the big bottle one I think not more than RM20.00 ..I think that will reduce the pain..

but I still suggest that to reduce more pain, the first position when having sex, is to have gal on top..so that the gal can control the strength and also to get use the hardness of something tat going into their body, loosen it a bit and only proceed to other position.



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Wuu....sex not only statisfy for guys..for girls also..
somehow, a couple, sex will not only bring statisfaction for both of them, it can build up strong relationship between them...
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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 10:21 AM)
Recently, a fren of mind encounter a problem. She and her bf decided to get married by next yr, so they have been having sex a few times d but my fren does not really enjoy it. She feel uncomfortable and she said its painful for her bcoz of it.

So, she's been giving excuses and tried to avoid from having sex coz even after she told him the problem, he still insist. Now her bf did not push my fren anymore, but he also did not tok to her. Did not touch her anymore, not even hold her hand!!! he basically just ignore my fren. Not just ignore, he totally pretend as if she's not there!!!! FYI, they're living together and both parents also know about their relationship and the suppose to be coming soon marriage(i dont really know if marriage will take place anymore anot) so their relationship is very very much a serious 1.

haiz....i did not know how i can comfort my fren but i personally disgusted at that guy. I wanna ask my fren to dump him straight out but then i just dun wan push my own opinion on her. Pls give ur opinion on this so i can tell my fren about it.
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the post is almost 1 year and half already. i really wondering your friend married to that guy already?
usually girls have her first time is very pain. After a few times only can feel better but not 100% enjoy it. should be slowly to get better. BTW her bf also should understand her gf's situation. he should more gentlely... if not the gf will afraid to have sex with the bf again. is very normal she say NO to him. so he should not ignore his gf!!! that's his fault!!!!!!!!! rolleyes.gif
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There should be another poll for the ladies to answer if they enjoy sex or not.

From the responses here many people assume that sex is always pleasurable for the girl. But research has shown that not all women find it enjoyable (usually a physiological problem, sometimes psychological) and guys have to understand this and find out how to overcome the problem.
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QUOTE(jchong @ Apr 23 2008, 11:51 AM)
There should be another poll for the ladies to answer if they enjoy sex or not.

From the responses here many people assume that sex is always pleasurable for the girl. But research has shown that not all women find it enjoyable (usually a physiological problem, sometimes psychological) and guys have to understand this and find out how to overcome the problem.
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Girls enjoy "making love" not so much of penetration. wink.gif

What do you girls say?
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Girls enjoy "making love" not so much of penetration.  wink.gif

What do you girls say?
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have you penetrate one before ?  nod.gif
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if scared 2 pain, how 2 get pregnant???pregnant even more pain den having sex!! rite??
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The key point here communication and understanding. After all, the relationship wouldn't have happened in the first place without those two. Why must it stop in bed?
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Sex ain't important.... but it help to build up the relationship of a couple. some couple can even together long lasting even without sex.
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SO important.. NO sex = NO mankind.. rclxm9.gif

Haha.. Juz kiddin.. Bout relationship.. I would say it depends.. If both likes it i dun c y not.. hmm.gif

Most important is that both couple understand each other... smile.gif

Of course relationship should not be based on sex alone... But it sure makes it more interesting n fun.. biggrin.gif


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A relationship based on just sex alone isnt going to work.
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Well, only dolphin and human enjoys sex. Oh, and sex is important in reproduction. Sometimes, it relieves headache. Not bad not bad.

But the most important thing is, who is your partner? A mere partner or someone you love?
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no sex..not sincere..hahaha
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QUOTE(tisuepaper @ May 20 2008, 09:10 AM)
no sex..not sincere..hahaha
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That would be the lamest trick guys always have in their sleeve rclxub.gif

Sex is one thing ... making love is another thing
I can have sex with anyone , guys or gals ... or i can even pay to have sex.

But Making Love with your partner is a whole different sensation where you try to please your partner as much as possible (where most guys fail to see that icon_rolleyes.gif )

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QUOTE(MSA @ May 20 2008, 09:52 AM)
That would be the lamest trick guys always have in their sleeve  rclxub.gif

Sex is one thing ... making love is another thing
I can have sex with anyone , guys or gals ... or i can even pay to have sex.

But Making Love with your partner is a whole different sensation where you try to please your partner as much as possible (where most guys fail to see that icon_rolleyes.gif )
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So if both tries to please each other as much as possible what will it end up to be? What if the other end do not feel pleased?
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ May 20 2008, 10:11 AM)
So if both tries to please each other as much as possible what will it end up to be? What if the other end do not feel pleased?
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Please do tell me when do you "make love" and don't feel pleased .... brows.gif
But i Do feel that way when i'm really stressed so sometimes i'll skip sex cuz I will not be able to perform icon_idea.gif

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Please do tell me when do you "make love" and don't feel pleased .... brows.gif
But i Do feel that way when i'm really stressed so sometimes i'll skip sex cuz I will not be able to perform  icon_idea.gif
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I dun know my partner never pleases me. cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ May 20 2008, 11:24 AM)
I dun know my partner never pleases me.  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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rclxms.gif hahaha the "words" bro..the promise..n wat so ever...hahaha

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QUOTE(tisuepaper @ May 20 2008, 10:28 AM)
rclxms.gif hahaha the "words" bro..the promise..n wat so ever...hahaha
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Tisue paper you really wipe away tears ehh?
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Tisue paper you really wipe away tears ehh?
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i agree couples have sex and disagree one night stand or call prostitute.but underage couples who wanna have sex have to becareful.
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post May 31 2008, 08:21 AM

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my virgin post and reply.
Men go through different stages in life, same as women.
When i was young, i am desperated for sex(I believe most teenage boys are like me,too),I respect my gf, i never force her till we are 23 when we are going to marry than we have sex.
When we start doing it, i just cant stop, it is just like a curse. I just want to meet her and do it, i never betray her, i just want to do it with her and not anyone else even when they are occassion when some ladies approached me for...i just want to do it with her, maybe some will said my gf should dump me, but please girls, listen to us, men, it is our needs. Some can control it, some not.Not all men can have sex with other girls. I cant, only with my gf(safe to be with her).

Men are different from women, maybe we are young, fit and strong. We need to release our strength somewhere.

Now coming to late 30, i am sad to say that i am not as desperate as last time. My wife blame me for having sex with her once a month, thinking that i may have betraying her outside.

When she was young, she dislike it at all even i make her so high. Now, she like a beast.hehehe.wanting more and more while i am so stress with my work. May be also lacks of exercise to maintain my fitness.

Maybe your friend is still young and have not reach the age or urges to like sex, maybe some imagination of sexual fantasy to open her thinking. She feel guilty as what was taught in her religious.

Her bf maybe like me, only want to do it with her but nobody else, he may feel hurt and sad for rejecting him(I said that because you mentioned they are going to marry), girls will think that everytime, my bf(esp army boys) meet me just to have sex, he is not worthy for me, just want sex from me. Most of us are build these way, unless gay.

Sometime, it better to keep your virgin and do it when you get marry. When you try it, you just want to have more and more.
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Do you all think there is problem occurs there for a couple without sex relationship even though has been together more than 3 years ?
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I suppose sex is very important to keep the intimacy going and the relationship lasting. It's not the act itself that's important, but knowing that u've given it to each other, and thus becomes a sort of 'symbol' that u 2 love each other very much.

Of course there's exceptions, but sex should be a way of demonstrating love and intimacy.. not just simply a way for lust.. XD But then again...
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people, the poll question is if without sex, will your relationship crumble. obviously, if it were to crumble because there is no sex, then it is a lust relationship and not love. voted no.
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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ May 31 2008, 10:45 AM)
I suppose sex is very important to keep the intimacy going and the relationship lasting. It's not the act itself that's important, but knowing that u've given it to each other, and thus becomes a sort of 'symbol' that u 2 love each other very much.

Of course there's exceptions, but sex should be a way of demonstrating love and intimacy.. not just simply a way for lust.. XD But then again...
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i so damn agree wif u...
sometime we ask for it is nt bcz we are ham sap(horny) or watsoever...bt we jus wanna knw whether the gal o guy willing to "give"...
i myself as a guy has been absent from sex for 2 weeks, quite suffering...to tell the truth, if we're talking about sex guys...it's better never than ever..
jus one time will make u ask for more, and then, when they stop giving u brows.gif u will be in despair...
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If have discomfort, search up on remedies.. That way, its both a win-win dicision. tongue.gif

And most guys crave for "it"
and one word for a great marridge - Intimacy!
If the other partner doesn't like it - tough relationship


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SEX is undoubtedly essential for a healthy relationship. Seriously, your friend is being 101% unfair to her bf. Do you expect him to live without sex for the rest of his life? I'm sure no man would ever want that. unless his pennis had been chopped off or he's gay or something. If someone whom you love so much, most probably the women your gonna share your life with for the rest of your life tells you " i don't like having sex with you. ITS annoying, your being a jerk. STOP IT. JUST STOP HAVING SEX WITH ME" as a guy, how would you feel? DEJECTED. No sex after marriage? NO! Well at least not for me. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ May 20 2008, 10:24 AM)
I dun know my partner never pleases me.  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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QUOTE(Chyan @ Jun 1 2008, 02:33 AM)
If have discomfort, search up on remedies.. That way, its both a win-win dicision. tongue.gif

And most guys crave for "it"
and one word for a great marridge  - Intimacy!
If the other partner doesn't like it - tough relationship
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hey..i think tat sex is not an selfish act..well..both parties need to enjoy~ smile.gif
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sex is why we are here...
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If a woman asked this question , Clearly she is having a dry spell . of a male asked this question - You are gay.

Sillly silly modernized brainwashed kids of today , just dont understand how is it that they were born , I would ask the questioner to ask their parents exactly how they were came into existence , And if someone said "By puttinh the finger in the ear" THEY ARE LYING !
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if the guy married the woman just bcoz of sex, i dont think it will last for long..
he could find sex with others too, if he really loves her, he should understand her why she keep avoiding sex, and just let things comes slowly

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horny girls hopes their guy appreciate them by not avoiding the sex relationship.
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Mind to tell how many times did they have sex?

if only few times, then your friend is really being unfair to the guy.
unless they've been having sex for 50 times and the girl still feels hurt and uncomfortable, then she can be forgiven.

Perhaps the guy is still new to sex, and doesn't know the way or 'technique' to comfort the girl when having sex.

Practice makes perfect.

Undeniable, sex is very important, not just to guys, but to girls as well.

Your friend expects no sex for her husband after marriage?
She expects her husband only 'play' with his 'bestfriend' which is his hand for the rest of his life?
What if her husband go hunt for sex next time?
It will make things worse.

Both should enjoy sex.

The girl feels hurt and uncomfortable after sex.
Would it be some kinda problems in her vagina?
or the shape of penis of the guy is causing the girl feels hurt?

Should understand the problem why would it happen.

Some girls are like the vagina fluid is not enough.
The vagina is dry.
If intercourse sex occurred, of course it will feel hurt.

Try to be intimate with each others first.
Lighting is very important to gain intimacy.
Don't when feel like having sex, just undress and do it...
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my opinion is sex is important for both couple. Im married and i know what its like to be that situation. Hope they can communicate more and also have sex more! The girl should know how to pleasure his man and the guy should know how to make her woman comfortable. brows.gif
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QUOTE(Jessica Tan @ May 31 2008, 07:51 PM)
people, the poll question is if without sex, will your relationship crumble. obviously, if it were to crumble because there is no sex, then it is a lust relationship and not love. voted no.
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agreed rclxms.gif

i plan to be a virgin till i am married.
i will respect my gf, and sex isnt always the best remedy for a perfect relationship.
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sex is very important after marry,if not later he/she parent keep on rushing u sleep early n wake up late..haha..u guys noe wat im mean ler..haha

but b4 marry,consider bout it 1st lor..cos once mistake,can bring u regret whole life..
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friendly speaking that guy is trying to cheat that gal for her virginity. if she gives, he will dump her later, if she dont, he will dump her immediately. but sometimes it is hard to say and figure it out, what if the gal ask for it or the gal keeps on asking her bf all sort of weird questions or both want it in a natural way? someone is willing to give and for sure the other one is willing to take it or reject it. be wise men out thr. not every gals need sex b4 marriage unless that particular gal have the same thought jus like u. ons and have sex few times then say bye bye and go to hunt for other guys around. i have and female friend just like this. a dangerous gal
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what happen if the couple divorce?

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too boring then come to here post.

IMO , sex is a bonus to you and your couple life...
it brings happiness , its a sports also biggrin.gif

of course depends on age to do this.
Guess alot under age did that ...... generation changed laugh.gif


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4 me,,
sex oredi bcm a normal exercise between a couple...
every couples r doing tis,,
so tat's nt about important or nt important...
juz normal or abnormal...
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QUOTE(stranger03 @ Jul 22 2008, 11:34 PM)
4 me,,
sex oredi bcm a normal exercise between a couple...
every couples r doing tis,,
so tat's nt about important or nt important...
juz normal or abnormal...
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sumtimes it can make the relationship more stable...
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sjumetimes sex can know more your partner and how much he /she love u.
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I guess a lot of girls here are sticking to their own female perspectives and refuse to see things from the guy's point of view. In other words - selfish.

For a guy to be rejected by his gal, is a painful blow. It is only natural for a guy to feel unloved because unlike girls, sex to guys is an important thing and most guys see it as a method of expressing love. Similarly, when a guy is rejected, most of the time the guy will see this as a form of love rejection, and will be hurt because of this.

Not that this behavior is right or wrong. It is simply the way an average joe perceives sex in a relationship. Now before you scramble for the moral high ground, think about this for a moment - a healthy sex life has been proven again and again in various researches to be one of the important factors in sustaining a marriage. While the guy in this scenario can be blamed for taking the wrong signals from the rejection, the girl should also shoulder the blame for refusing to find a way to make things work.

Pain can be averted by various means - lubricants, better foreplay, and even sexual therapy. It depends on how much the girl understands the guy's needs and how far the girl is willing to satisfy the guy's needs. To say that she wants to refrain from sex just because she is afraid of it is plain selfish.

So the verdict here is, don't get married. The guy doesn't know how to communicate, and the girl is too selfish to develop a relationship of mutual satisfaction. So this relationship is doomed from the start.
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I believe that all the holding hand part of a new relationship is strongly influence by hormones and the desire to have sex. So once u take that factor away then...........
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QUOTE(soggie @ Oct 9 2008, 05:18 PM)
I guess a lot of girls here are sticking to their own female perspectives and refuse to see things from the guy's point of view. In other words - selfish.

For a guy to be rejected by his gal, is a painful blow. It is only natural for a guy to feel unloved because unlike girls, sex to guys is an important thing and most guys see it as a method of expressing love. Similarly, when a guy is rejected, most of the time the guy will see this as a form of love rejection, and will be hurt because of this.

Not that this behavior is right or wrong. It is simply the way an average joe perceives sex in a relationship. Now before you scramble for the moral high ground, think about this for a moment - a healthy sex life has been proven again and again in various researches to be one of the important factors in sustaining a marriage. While the guy in this scenario can be blamed for taking the wrong signals from the rejection, the girl should also shoulder the blame for refusing to find a way to make things work.

Pain can be averted by various means - lubricants, better foreplay, and even sexual therapy. It depends on how much the girl understands the guy's needs and how far the girl is willing to satisfy the guy's needs. To say that she wants to refrain from sex just because she is afraid of it is plain selfish.

So the verdict here is, don't get married. The guy doesn't know how to communicate, and the girl is too selfish to develop a relationship of mutual satisfaction. So this relationship is doomed from the start.
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It take 2 hands to clap.. dun juz blame on the gal.. the guy is selfish too.. dun u think he is childish? bcoz of tis kind of thing he totally ignore the gal.. after getting married wat the guy will do if the gal refuse to do again.. go out n find another? as i say both of them need to communicate n yes some method hv to be used to assist the process.. guys hv to b patient too.. our gals is different with yours rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(@lice~~ @ Oct 9 2008, 05:40 PM)
It take 2 hands to clap.. dun juz blame on the gal.. the guy is selfish too.. dun u think he is childish? bcoz of tis kind of thing he totally ignore the gal.. after getting married wat the guy will do if the gal refuse to do again.. go out n find another? as i say both of them need to communicate n yes some method hv to be used to assist the process.. guys hv to b patient too.. our gals is different with yours  rolleyes.gif
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Exactly my point: The girl shouldn't just stop because she's afraid of it, and the guy shouldn't have taken the rejection emotionally. Both have to take the first step... not just waiting for the guy to be patient and pretend that you're all righteous and innocent, and is the victim in this scenario.
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Women are funny creatures, when men want sex from them, we are labeled as horny bastards and selfish pigs.

Yet when they deny men sex, they are proud about it and see it as some form of empowerment.

This is why women don't deserve equal rights. Yeah, I'm a chauvinist and I don't deny that. But then again, women are feminists too.
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QUOTE(St0rmFury @ Oct 10 2008, 02:09 AM)
Women are funny creatures, when men want sex from them, we are labeled as horny bastards and selfish pigs.

Yet when they deny men sex, they are proud about it and see it as some form of empowerment.

This is why women don't deserve equal rights. Yeah, I'm a chauvinist and I don't deny that. But then again, women are feminists too.
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And you know the funny thing? When men deny sex to woman, the man's a jerk, impotent, or gay. Haha.
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QUOTE(soggie @ Oct 10 2008, 06:29 AM)
And you know the funny thing? When men deny sex to woman, the man's a jerk, impotent, or gay. Haha.
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u guys are so stereotypical.

anyway, ur avatar is cute smile.gif
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QUOTE(slushie @ Oct 10 2008, 10:37 AM)
u guys are so stereotypical.

anyway, ur avatar is cute smile.gif
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Take it with a light heart. When you say us guys are stereotypical, don't forget that girls do have you own stereotypes too. I'm just trying to be fair here.

I'm not saying the girl or guy is wrong here. I'm just saying that while the guy is wrong, don't forget that the girl isn't without faults too, and perhaps if you girls would attempt to see it from the guy's point of view, the guy's reactions could be easily understood and a solution would come by easier than holding onto your own grounds and insisting that you are the victim (it's always easier to blame others, that's human nature).
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QUOTE(slushie @ Oct 10 2008, 10:37 AM)
u guys are so stereotypical.
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Guess who we learned it from?

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QUOTE(slushie @ Oct 10 2008, 10:37 AM)
u guys are so stereotypical.

anyway, ur avatar is cute smile.gif
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when i see your photo i dont hv this 'stereotypical' feeling at all lol
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Is human need.... don deny... am I rite?
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QUOTE(weeloong81 @ Oct 10 2008, 05:04 PM)
Is human need.... don deny... am I rite?
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404 logic not found. What exactly are you talking about?
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QUOTE(slushie @ Oct 10 2008, 10:37 AM)
u guys are so stereotypical.

anyway, ur avatar is cute smile.gif
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ur avatar oso quite seducing can c armpit smile.gif

QUOTE(soggie @ Oct 10 2008, 10:45 AM)
Take it with a light heart. When you say us guys are stereotypical, don't forget that girls do have you own stereotypes too. I'm just trying to be fair here.

I'm not saying the girl or guy is wrong here. I'm just saying that while the guy is wrong, don't forget that the girl isn't without faults too, and perhaps if you girls would attempt to see it from the guy's point of view, the guy's reactions could be easily understood and a solution would come by easier than holding onto your own grounds and insisting that you are the victim (it's always easier to blame others, that's human nature).
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look who is talking, god send a shemale here tongue.gif

no offense, i badut
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QUOTE(soggie @ Oct 10 2008, 07:36 PM)
404 logic not found. What exactly are you talking about?
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QUOTE(screw-u-guys @ Oct 10 2008, 08:49 PM)
ur avatar oso quite seducing can c armpit smile.gif
look who is talking, god send a shemale here tongue.gif

no offense, i badut
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post Oct 11 2008, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(chyu89 @ Oct 11 2008, 01:02 AM)
why so many male tags here lol.
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to settle the score. Otherwise girls would think we're only interested in sex with them.
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Many married couple ...when still new married sex is very important the man said but after 20 years the man said to his wife sex is not important. but if he can find new young fresh teen .....Sex become more important again laugh.gif

The old wife still finding solution why her husband not interest on her anymore then she go shop buy new perfume,new lingery,sexy cloth but her husband said why u only waste money la...no need to spend like that we already old so be like old people mad.gif ...

the husband with new young partner said otherwise ...."we older people are more experience and have really high sex drive brows.gif "

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Yes it is. I have sex with my girlfriend at least 3-4 times a week. smile.gif
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post Oct 11 2008, 04:06 PM

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havent try it before. But i think is important blush.gif

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QUOTE(Liuteva @ Oct 11 2008, 04:06 PM)
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havent try it before. But i think is important blush.gif
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same thought.. haha


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QUOTE(couleur @ Oct 11 2008, 02:35 PM)
Yes it is. I have sex with my girlfriend at least 3-4 times a week. smile.gif
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not bored ka? after marriage, do wat le?

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QUOTE(yiivei @ Oct 11 2008, 04:09 PM)
same thought.. haha


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not bored ka? after marriage, do wat le?
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Sex is important in a marriage, however
1) It should never be done without consideration for the other party, and
2) It should not be withheld for no good reason.

If for some reason, sex is withheld, then both need to work out the underlying reason. Perhaps it is that time of the month, or she is upset with something you did, or he had a bad time in the office. It is in the interest of the marriage that issues like that be resolved first. The sex will then come quite naturally. smile.gif

Edit: I just read the TS's post.
In the case of the TS's friend, it may be wise to actually learn how to have sex. There's alot of stuff on the net which will help them better their sex life. The guy should not push the matter, neither should the girl run away from it. There is absolutely nothing to be ashamed about.

Bottomline - Communication is key.

QUOTE(soggie @ Oct 11 2008, 04:49 PM)
You must be crazy to ever get bored of sex.   doh.gif
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It is very possible to get bored of sex. It happens more often than you think. That said, sex is not the problem. The real problem is -- the relationship. Loving couples can't get bored of sex simply because there's alot of affection going on. If however the relationship is hurt, it is hard to even think of wanting to have sex with your spouse.

The lack of sex in most old couples however, is usually due to a lack of spice/romance in their relationship.

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QUOTE(ionStorm @ Oct 11 2008, 04:58 PM)
It is very possible to get bored of sex. It happens more often than you think. That said, sex is not the problem. The real problem is -- the relationship. Loving couples can't get bored of sex simply because there's alot of affection going on. If however the relationship is hurt, it is hard to even think of wanting to have sex with your spouse.

The lack of sex in most old couples however, is usually due to a lack of spice/romance in their relationship.
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Actually, it's more possible that the lack of skill on the bed is causing the couple to gradually lose interest in sex. Guys don't know how to please girls, and girls don't know that sex is supposed to be enjoyed, not run away from like its some sort of a dinosaur strapped with miniguns and a tactical nuke. You can't run away from a tactical nuke anyway.
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QUOTE(ionStorm @ Oct 11 2008, 04:58 PM)
Sex is important in a marriage, however
1) It should never be done without consideration for the other party, and
2) It should not be withheld for no good reason.

If for some reason, sex is withheld, then both need to work out the underlying reason. Perhaps it is that time of the month, or she is upset with something you did, or he had a bad time in the office. It is in the interest of the marriage that issues like that be resolved first. The sex will then come quite naturally. smile.gif

Edit: I just read the TS's post.
In the case of the TS's friend, it may be wise to actually learn how to have sex. There's alot of stuff on the net which will help them better their sex life. The guy should not push the matter, neither should the girl run away from it. There is absolutely nothing to be ashamed about.

Bottomline - Communication is key.
It is very possible to get bored of sex. It happens more often than you think. That said, sex is not the problem. The real problem is -- the relationship. Loving couples can't get bored of sex simply because there's alot of affection going on. If however the relationship is hurt, it is hard to even think of wanting to have sex with your spouse.

The lack of sex in most old couples however, is usually due to a lack of spice/romance in their relationship.
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Agree with you. Too much of sex with the same partner will get bored someday. Unless you are talking about sex with different people. whistling.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 11 2008, 07:53 PM)
Agree with you. Too much of sex with the same partner will get bored someday. Unless you are talking about sex with different people.  whistling.gif  laugh.gif
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It is very possible to get bored of sex. It happens more often than you think. That said, sex is not the problem. The real problem is -- the relationship. Loving couples can't get bored of sex simply because there's alot of affection going on. If however the relationship is hurt, it is hard to even think of wanting to have sex with your spouse.


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really important...sum girl geli o taknak maybe she never try it..after try maybe it make sumone want it 4 all time..it's can make u smile every time n can make u feel young..it's can avoid stress and moody..
but remember,please play safe...hehe!!
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Is it by using condom, then it's safe to have sex? Anyone just using condom nia and not taking any pills can avoid pregnancy?
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If possible, use both methods. It will reduce the risk of pregnancy by 98%. If you STILL get pregnant after that, then its time for your boyfriend to falcon punch you.
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wether before or after marriage , if the partner "doesnt matter male or the female" not comfartable with it, juz let it go ! not like they not gonna have sex at all! obviosly the time will come............

this problem accurs only if :

i . he/she is a player .....
ii. not in true love "juz for f*** sake."

even these kinda people get married also because they can have unlimited sex anytime they want ......... vmad.gif

"in another word sexual harrasement" even if u force ur wife 2 have sex it's still sexual harrasement............ vmad.gif

IF HE REALY LOVE'S THE GIRL HE WOULD UNDERSTAND AND GIVE HER MORE TIME .............
IF NOT JUZ f***ING DUMP HIM.......................................... thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(washabushi @ Oct 10 2008, 09:55 PM)
sex = money
money is not everything
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QUOTE(Savor_Savvy @ Oct 13 2008, 06:15 PM)
Is it by using condom, then it's safe to have sex? Anyone just using condom nia and not taking any pills can avoid pregnancy?
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for me i will not using condom lo... is like wear sock wash foot.... no lo....
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For me sex is important is certain relationship.

because diff ppl has diff thinking, especially in a relationship man and woman always has diff thinking.
Man may think sex can make their feeling better but woman may think sex can make their relationship go worst.

but in ts case,
the man thirsty for sex quite a lot, while the woman afraid or not use to it after she tred it.
So now both also require partner understanding of,
the man hope the woman more understand his "physical need",
the woman hope the man understand her mentally scariness.

Its either asking the man to think some other thing which is important in a relationship other than sex. And also respect his partner and not treating her just a sex toy/slave;
or ask the woman to get use it as in the future they might need it alot, and sex is one of the way to make husband and wife better. If she still afraid of something, she really need her partner to comfort her for that, not other friend

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Sex is just intercourse with each others...

those who really love each other are called making love

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oppsss its very important ...
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sex is a wonderful thing.
i think that guy got no skill about sex.
or they need longer foreplay.
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sex is not so important during a relationship, but however it is part of relationship and it is not to be taken lightly by any couple. both the guys and girls should have an understanding and respect to the girls as to whether she want to do it with you or not, if she do not want it...guys should not forced her into it smile.gif but however i would say that sex is a "tool" to maintain and strengthen the relationship of the couple smile.gif
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sex is important to produce the next generation if follow the laws of nature.
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dump him ~~~~~
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haha, im too scientific...
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QUOTE(quireyuyue @ Dec 7 2006, 09:21 AM)
Recently, a fren of mind encounter a problem. She and her bf decided to get married by next yr, so they have been having sex a few times d but my fren does not really enjoy it. She feel uncomfortable and she said its painful for her bcoz of it.

So, she's been giving excuses and tried to avoid from having sex coz even after she told him the problem, he still insist. Now her bf did not push my fren anymore, but he also did not tok to her. Did not touch her anymore, not even hold her hand!!! he basically just ignore my fren. Not just ignore, he totally pretend as if she's not there!!!! FYI, they're living together and both parents also know about their relationship and the suppose to be coming soon marriage(i dont really know if marriage will take place anymore anot) so their relationship is very very much a serious 1.

haiz....i did not know how i can comfort my fren but i personally disgusted at that guy. I wanna ask my fren to dump him straight out but then i just dun wan push my own opinion on her. Pls give ur opinion on this so i can tell my fren about it.
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sex is part of relation ..
if two person cannot get along in sex..

is a big problem
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QUOTE(minmin @ Oct 17 2008, 08:25 PM)
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You say that to a child?
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the only reason for MOST of the guys outside there(excluding me pls brows.gif ) can get along with their gf
for a long period is because of SEX. yawn.gif
it may be rough but their thinking is like >> ala if i broke up with her , cannot have sex d.

ftw~ am i talking? icon_rolleyes.gif
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don sex pls..........
the professor said......sex will cause disease.....dangerous......
but.....after married only sex.......
to maintain the population of human.....=.=
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Your professor is a prude then.
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QUOTE(Boon016 @ Oct 19 2008, 11:22 AM)
don sex pls..........
the professor said......sex will cause disease.....dangerous......
but.....after married only sex.......
to maintain the population of human.....=.=
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in answering Is Sex really important?, my answer would be YES!
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I think your friend needs to communicate with his bf... tell him how she feels when they're having sex... Especially uncomfortable feelings... This is important...
Maybe her bf doesn't know that your friend feel pain or something...
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why she get pain in sex.. jz want to know..

do we have to learn how to sex? :S

relationship without sex is a little hard...
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let the Dr. Sex to explain it... lolxx...
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sex is 2 person thing ... i tink they should go for a sex therapist .. or better discuss about this .. the gurl must tel the guy how she feel and how she wanted to be touch n ...... and the guy must be willing to listen and learn ,coz sometime men r just a lil bit impatient ;p and what they saw in the XXXX Filem dosent really can pakai in reall ife .. and some woman can be a lil bit sensatif and plz take not not all woman can be openltp herself and enjoy sex ., ... they 2 should be open about this since they r planning to get married..
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I vote yep is very important in my life. I am not sure about others. IMO. sex is very important in the relationships, of course it is, wonderful sex can be an exciting distraction, something to take your mind off the reality of the matter.

If sex lives are good we feel better about ourselves both mentally and physically … it's as simple as that. Sex releases as many endorphins as exercise, so it's ideal for de-stressing and increasing the intimacy, trust and love in a relationship.

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openltp wats this...
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QUOTE(quick_shaq @ Oct 20 2008, 01:31 AM)
be creative with ur partner brows.gif
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sex = 6.....
6+6=12
12 sex......tau?lol........
professor said.....12 sex......maniac sex....angel sex....demon sex......
and bla bla bla bla
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do u people sex with your gf always?virgin is hard to in right?

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