...from all the posts thus far, I think the gist is about COMMUNICATION.

Egoistic or not, that will depends on how the message is conveyed.

From what I can see, both party in question has their right and wrong. The girl rejected her fiancee advances because of the pain. Her fiancee is cold towards her because of her rejection.

Is it about sex? or is it not all about sex?

IMHO, the couple in question is not matured enough to handle such issues. And reason behind everything else, maybe due to;
1. The girl is inexperience,
2. So is the guy,
3. No open communication to find out each other's feeling regarding their intimacy preference.

So, the question now is, should both party retreats to their corners and hide. Pray and hope that the problem will go away. Or they could step out from hiding and confront the issue together.

What do you think?

Don't jump into conclusion too fast as there's always underlying factors. In this problem, is it sex or is it communication?

Marriage is about passion, sharing, compromise and caring through whatever circumstance. However, the general view falls short with passion and sharing...

hmm.. I think there should be some line drawn.

There's some reason via religion view point, and there's some via practical life example.

No one is in the wrong.

Why can't people except sex is normal part and parcel of life. If these people can't take the smut of out of sex talks, and still reference it as dirty. Then, I suggest please don't quote religion on this.

Religion has a different view on this subject, mainly for pro-creation. While human, using it for pleasure.

Is there any right or wrong?

hmmm...I think everyone has a freedom of choice. Everyone choose different life path. It does mean I don't do the things you do and that's why I am wrong.

The only WRONG things in life is to undermine what other people in order to uphold oneself.

hmm.. I think there should be some line drawn.

There's some reason via religion view point, and there's some via practical life example.

No one is in the wrong.

Why can't people except sex is normal part and parcel of life. If these people can't take the smut of out of sex talks, and still reference it as dirty. Then, I suggest please don't quote religion on this.

Religion has a different view on this subject, mainly for pro-creation. While human, using it for pleasure.

Is there any right or wrong?

hmmm...I think everyone has a freedom of choice. Everyone choose different life path. It does mean I don't do the things you do and that's why I am wrong.

The only WRONG things in life is to undermine what other people in order to uphold oneself.

this thread..and many seeking for advice thread are very entertaining.

It is funny because when wacky-angel asked a question, and other kind soul posted their thoughts, it is not heard in a OPEN MINDED manner.

The problem is advice that falls within the "acceptable tolerance" are heard. The rest, i assumed, will be ignored due to conflict with morality and other obvious reason.

So, why bother asking for advice when you have already made up your mind about certain things. Advice are dispense by people that come from all walks of life. Standards of morality on this question should not be argued on the ground that sex is dirty or abstinence is the right thing to do.

Think objectively. Do you want to solve the problem? Do you want my advice? Do you want others' opinion?

Having to made judgement about other people AFTER advice had been dispense is just SO WRONG.

Well, if you want to hear what you want to hear. I suggest, next time, advice should be seek from targetted audience. i.e. in this case, if you want supporters to side you in agreeing the fact that sex is not an issue in relationship, you should not condemn those who don't think this way.

..and to those who think sex is a part and parcel of relationship, be happy that you are getting some, leave those who are not getting any, alone.

See, we can actually have a better world this way. Can't we?

This post has been edited by gsuave: Dec 13 2006, 11:27 AM