AMD K8 Family Discussions

This post has been edited by soulfly: May 4 2007, 09:23 AM

my pc spec

amd 64 3000+
KVR 512mb ddr400 x2 (double sided)
winfast 6600gt
msi k8n neo4-f mobo


ok, the problem is that when i run on 1:1 divider(250 fsb,250x9=2.25Ghz,,3X htt) PASS;

but when i wanna test how high my proc can go ,so i have to use divider,

5:6 divider(166mhz ram) even cannot pass 240 fsb(240x9).. FAIL.

what should i do??pls help

This post has been edited by realone: Jan 3 2006, 07:42 PM

act.. ualrady got thread to ask...http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=139453

anyway.. ermm bout ur prob.. u dun tell us wat test was pass

r u sure u r using 166mhz divider ? check it at cpu-z... and print screen it here and also other related info...

btw u using 1T timing or 2T ?

ok,run on 1t

what test was pass and what test was fail?

is there any other divider that you can use besides 5:6?

i think is my ram problem..before i upgrade to 512x2,,,,256 x2 is running fine and can reach 300mhz fsb.......

try to raise ur HT bus speed multiplier to 4X.

try 1T same result?

higher LDT wont help, try to use 1 stick ram n c

ok, i will try later

ok, thr result is ,,,fail...same no post if i try use any divider...

yeah, confirm is ram problem.

my ram hitting limit liow...have to change ram since it cannot rn on any divider ....end up no post,,,run on 1:1 is fine...run memtest,,stable..

3d mark 2005
3d mark 2003

cpu-z

i'm looking secondhand gskill 3200 fx..512x2 ddr400

This post has been edited by realone: Jan 3 2006, 08:08 PM

need help to improve my 3d score and overall system...

dude, it may also be ur bad proc memory controller
altho i didnt suffer prob luke urs, but my 133 devider is useless n 166 devider can only hold the ram till ddr500

but u didnt mention what test fails..
beside bad ram n bad mem. ctrl'r, psu also may cause the prob

as i state above ,before that when i run 256x2 kingston ddr400....its run fine and can use any divider,,,but after upgrade to 512 x2 ,,,,can't even run any divider,,,

so, its confirm ram problem,,,perhaps it dun like divider,, hehe

This post has been edited by realone: Jan 3 2006, 08:06 PM

newer version kingston value rams are unable to get you 240+ and above...but since you can run at 240 why not u try setting such as 2T 3-4-4-10 and use divider to drop ur ram to either 100 or 133mhz and then push again...just to see if your proc is limitating ur overclock....

ok, i will try

no post ...

MY CPU Z 1.31 CANT SHOW?????

THIS OK KAH? CAN OC

STP=0540
AMD Athlon 64
Model 3200+
Ordering P/N (Tray) ADA3200DKA4CG
Ordering P/N (PIB) ADA3200CGBOX
Operating Mode 32/64
Stepping E4
Frequency 2000Mhz
HT Speed 2000
Voltage 1.35V
Max Temp 65�C
Thermal Power 67W
L1 Cache 128KB
L2 Cache 512KB
CMOS Technology 90nm SOI
Socket Socket 939

The 3500+ in my shop now is CG stepping too
SanDiego or Venus ?

This post has been edited by ahpaul82: Jan 7 2006, 02:05 AM

\hey i thing not call sd lah vini also.............. betul kah


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I just found this one the net >
ADA3200DKA4CG - Athlon 64 3200+, 939pin, Rev. E4

ok.. do u have laptop? u chinese or malay

What question are you asking?what for??

2.8 g at pass 3d mark


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try CBId or Everest then

impressive...

this e4 steppin really looks promisin...

It's Venice E4

Derrived from San Diego E4, half L2 cache disabled.

BTW.... what's the improvement of E4 over E3/E6?

a crooked sandy and then transformed in a Venice....

u should try running prime 95 for a few hours..

hey hari hari oc ini budak..hihih ..prime 95 dulu.. UGPM

its still a "disabled-half-cache of sandie" anyway
need high vcore to stable @ 2.8GHz above

Evogenix

sorry but mind telling where u bought that???

i order with robyn computer but no stock now only 2pc fr supplier

Any other OC result. How high this processor can go?

i believe its still venice since it has the SSE3 instructions which clawhammer/ winchester dont have

ermm.. actually it is a disablled sandy

using d same memory controller as sandy but cache disabled

i think can oc well kua... should perform better than e3 n e6 wif same speed... oc performance not known yet

just brought amd 3200 winchester
abit fatal1ty an8 6 moth ago

i want to try to overclock this processor but lack of knowledge
already made some studied but hard to understand how to oc... this processor
compare to intel previously used

can some one help me with this
for those who are experience with it

This post has been edited by emilz: Jan 12 2006, 12:22 AM

which part don't you understand exactly?

seems to be all lahh
i oc already but when i force to 230 hz the system keep on restarting
n i also need to know how to control the ram timing since it way to many compare to intel

when you raise your HTT.. you need to set your LDT multiplier to x4 or x3 appropriately according to your HTT..

HTT x LDT multiplier can't exceed 1000.. well it can.. but there's a limit on how far you can go past 1000.. the best way is to keep it under 1000..

as for ram timings.. it depends on which ram you are using..

was it the mutiplier factor

how about the voltage i only set to 1.45 ~ 1.5

currently using corsair value buy only

anything need to kacau

there's 2 multiplier..

CPU multiplier

which is 200 x "10" for your particular CPU

and LDT which is 200 x "5" = 1000 for every athlon64 system

i can't remember what it's called in abit's bios.. but there should be one stating something like 1x 2x 3x 4x 5x or 200 400 600 800 1000

as for your ram.. run it at a divider.. in your dram configuration page.. set it to run at DDR333 / 166 to eliminate your ram as the factor that's holding back your CPU..

don't bump your voltage unless u can't go any higher

This post has been edited by babyelf: Jan 12 2006, 12:51 AM

sorry to say i cannot find the LTD
i dont know where it located
i only found the current one which is to set the fsb and multiplier
wah still hang oooo

there's definitely one there

find one that gives u only 5 options

1x
2x
3x
4x
5x

or

200
400
600
800
1000

if you don't set it to x4 don't expet it to go higher than ~ 220

ok found it
it called HT Frequency
inside the ram timing no wonder it was to hard to search
the normal condition for it was set to auto
wash it higher better or lower better ot set the LDT

there's actually no gain if you go past 1000

just keep it below 1000 and it'll be fine

up to 250 set x4
past 250 set to x3

and so on

tq for this information

no problem dude

was it necessary to set the fsb multiplier to 8.5 or lower
dont oc already so far ok with the oc ability
how about to stress my processor and ram ability since i using good cooler

don't use a .5 multiplier for your CPU .. it manipulates your ram to give you that clock..

if you use .5 your ram will be clocked lower..

use a divider.. run until u hit a wall then raise your voltage.. then keep going.. hit a wall then raise voltage.. and so on..

it's safe to go until about 1.6 i guess if the temps are below 55

test one by one.. don't try to overclock both together.. u'll end up wasting more time..

hmmm
like what i try to oc the processor to up to 235
and the multiplier for the fsb was 9.0
and the ldt set to 2.5
then suddently the mobo clear it own cmos
why?????

the temp when oc to 230 was only 34 ~ 35 degree only

This post has been edited by emilz: Jan 12 2006, 01:50 AM

did you set your ram to run at DDR333 / 166 divider?

for abit the temps usually is about 5-8c lower.. so add about 5-8 back to the reading and it should be right

that means every time want to oc the processor the ram oso need to set larrr
is that how it work

what was this sse3 since my proc dont have the function of it

if you don't set your ram will run async to your HTT.. and if you ram can't take it your system won't take it as a whole.. running a divider makes sure that you are not RAM limited when overclocking your CPU..

sse3 is a set of instructions used in programs.. i think it was first used on intel CPUs.. and now it's on Athlon64 as well.. i think winchesters are the first one to have? (correct me if i'm wrong)

i'm not familiar with SSE3.. maybe someone else can enlighten you on it

nope my winchester dont have this sse3

i cannot show because i dont know how to paste inside this forum

u know how ka????

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This post has been edited by emilz: Jan 12 2006, 02:15 AM

whats the difference between e3 and e6?

this might be showed that amd is slowly migrate to a new platform.
to focus more on new technology and production, they reduce the cost by produce old chip using 1 solution and design.

so no matter wat, it is still e4 for all...

any information

winchester core...old core...does not oc as good as the current batch of venice processors...should be able to hit bout 2.7ghz on this processor at max...btw, dun create a thread la...post it in other threads..you really want mod to close this thread duntcha?

that means i got the old processor laa
sial la tuu
bought just 6 month ago

FYI, the venice is the first to have SSE3 support.

This post has been edited by winc87: Jan 12 2006, 09:46 PM

hehe...new processors are all codenamed "venice" with revision of either E3, E4 or E6..hehehe..sorry dude...gotta read up before buying ma.. anyway, its still good that you got yourself AMD instead of intel...

This post has been edited by sidewinderz: Jan 12 2006, 05:52 PM

ya loo
but i fell the different between my 3200 and my friend 3000 venice
instead of overcloking, and in normal condition mine was lake a bit

nah...that is wat you feel...actually its based on lots of factors...the mobo, ram and hard disk that both of you uses will yield slightly different performance...overall, your processor should be as good as the venice, the only drawback is that your Vcore runs slightly higher at stock as compared to venice....1.45v as compared to 1.4v....although at stock speeds, both does not have major difference in heat..but once OC, you'll know wat i meant..hehehe...

oh..another difference would be that venice supports SSE3 instructions whereas your processor doesn't....

This post has been edited by sidewinderz: Jan 12 2006, 06:04 PM

compare to ram mine more better 160 sata 2 1g corsair ram
he oso used abit but not fatality 512 ram kingston

haha....how bout fragmentation of the OS and applications installed and running in the background? hehe...dun forget bout that...dun worry so much...wat matters most is that whether you can achieve high clockspeeds when you OC it..

weird, my CPU-Z says my E3 supports SSE3 too, is that a bug?

btw, since i'm too damn lazy to read up is there any real advantage of SSE3?

hehehe, Venice is the first to have SSE3. I also do not know i typed E6, sorry for my mistake.

SSE3 can count faster on math calculation i guess....

It's not faster but to make it easier for programmer to do their jobs.

easier=faster lar...tak same erk???

hehehe...if you learn assembly language then you will know what i mean. It is easier for programmer to do a calculation by calling the instructions from SSE3.

whats assembly lingue???i do know Lingo,actionscript,a lil bit of VB, and a lot of Sandra,memtest,prime95

damn i hate assembly language so much.. failed my 8085 assembly language paper once b4..

This post has been edited by newbieockids: Jan 13 2006, 10:16 PM

with my PC spec in my signature... i tried to overclock to reach 1.9+GHz while keeping at 210Hz FSB... dun dare to increase further becoz i was told it will burn d mobo... my CPU voltage is less than 1.4v, northbridge voltage is default

i dun hav a good CPU cooling system....

sifu sekalian, wat would b d max overclock speed will i achieve? thx a lot.

This post has been edited by youngmasterho: Jan 17 2006, 10:58 AM

same here

lack of practice made me think that assembly is nonsense

who told you that?

you will only burn your rig (not only mobo) if you use
- excessive voltage applied without proper cooling
- using low quality mobo like the generic ones
- cheapo power supply

guys i dont know if this is the right place to ask, but i hope i can get some answers...is Athlon X2 overclocking similar to normal A64?

yes....very similar

Anybody can help me choosing rite mobo..
it's seems that i lost..
i need mobo for AMD64 s939 that is:
- got PCIE gfx slot, i dun wan SLI
- got 4 DDR
- brand either Abit, Asus or DFI
- Budget around RM350 max

This post has been edited by zogenk: Jan 19 2006, 03:59 PM

depend with ur taste or what r u going to do with ur system dude.. but i think the board with nForce4/ultra chipset would be the better one for sc939.. around that price range u can probably get nForce4 vanilla only.. DFI NF4 Infinity, Abit AN8, ASUS im not sure.. Check out their features and choose which one that will suit u better.. Hope this help..

This post has been edited by newbieockids: Jan 19 2006, 07:20 PM

Can someone help me in doin the right setting for OC.
i only can hit fsb280 stable. that is only at 2.5G. But can't after that.
Amd 3000 Sc939.
HT at 4X
Ram at 166.

Or mayb it is becoz of my ram that can't go higher? Kingston normal ram at 512x2.
but i have samsung chip and kingston. but it can run on Dual channel.

what is the max oc for this mobo (KN8 ultra from abit)?

Help me gurus... i'm a new guy want to learn this exciting ability.

lower your HTT to 3x a
4x280 = 1120
over the 1000 already a.

but it run stable. u mean if i want to go higher? But if the HT is below 1k, does it mean that the performance will be lower? thnks yah

HTT must never be above 1k la abang....zzz

whatever u do, LDT/FSB x fsb = 1000 or less or else your proc may fry..

and please post your specs la if u want ppl to help...

ok i'll send in 2morrow.. gtg now. thanks a lot

This my spec.

Amd 939 3000
Abit KN8 Ultra Nforce4
Value ram from kingston 512x2
Noise Taker 600w Enermax.
HIS x550 128Mb of ram
Dvd-rw and combo.

And now i'm OC to 280fsb
Ht 3x (which is much better in performance)
Normal temp is 29 and 35 at load.
DDRV at 2.7V
Cpu at 1.5
Ram at 166Mhz.

it the setting ok, but how to get higher as it hang if goes more than that.
is it my ram, or mobo. anyone own this type of mobo.?

no setting is ok lah actually when overkloking. mostly overkloker look for highest speed vs. optimum setting vs. stability. from given spec the cpu run with 9x multiplier (280*9=2.5G) & ram at 166MHz. your actual ram speed with this setting is cpu speed/11 that translate into 229MHz (please check this using Everest CPUID for validation). i don't know what ram chip used on your kingston(KVR) but average kvr will not go over 230MHz. lowering the ram speed to 133 and setting the nforce voltage around 1.6v will help u gain higher fsb.

i guess you know what tools/application needed to check & monitor your system while overkloking the cpu but i do recommend you read and learn alot about your components espescially cpu, cooling and ram timing.

really? im running on 310x9 at 4x HTT . so far i havent got any weird readings?

hehehe there you go. nothing happen ah to your system with that htt speed? from what i've read here
the htt clock speed operates from 200MHz to 1.4 GHz range. i think that's why u havent got any weirdo happening to your system. as far as i understand the amd cpu/system that "support xxxxMHz htt" may utilise the htt bus bandwidth at max with that given supported speed but not any further. it's still not a problem if u run the htt at any speed below 1.4GHz. the factor u must consider when running high htt speed is the LVDS IC that come with the motherboard (if u know lah which manufacturer produced the LVDS IC for your mobo). u may read more about LVDS here

This post has been edited by Bahlol: Jan 23 2006, 04:24 AM