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 AMD K8 Family Overclocking (754/939/940/AM2/1207), General discussions and newbies' guide

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post Aug 3 2006, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(LuVjunz @ Aug 3 2006, 02:18 AM)
hi, my comp is kinda slow i think. and can anyone tell me how to modified or overclock it. i am new and a noob in os stuff. thanks. cry.gif

this are my specs in my comp.

AMD Athlon 64 bit, 3800+ currently running on 2.4GHz which is kinda slow
INNO3D nvidia geforce 7900 GT 512/256mb
2 gb of ram, pc3200 ddr400
MSI k8n neo4 platinum
120 sata maxtor
250 sata2 wd
ac bell 450w power supply
thermaltake little bettle cooler
thermaltake armour jr casing

my 3d mark only reach 16+k .

can anyone guide me? thanks doh.gif  thumbup.gif  sweat.gif
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1st of all, wat do u mean slow?slow in startup?slow in gaming session?there are many kind of slow...
n yes, u can always oerclock it, to me, ur system 'readily' to be overclocked!
at BIOS, su can upper ur FSB to get higher CPU Clock
use CoolBit (since u use nVidia) to increase GPU/Mem clock

these are the basic tool ok...
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post Sep 28 2006, 03:41 AM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Sep 25 2006, 10:46 PM)
TCCD won't like high voltage.  Some people spoiled their TCCD after running with more than 3.0V for a while.

I would say the safe range would be 2.8V - 2.9V. The lower the better.
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my TCCD running daily at 2.83V @ DDR640 (320MHz@3-4-4-8)
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post Sep 29 2006, 02:22 AM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Sep 28 2006, 06:06 PM)
Mine cant even post at CL3.  doh.gif Mind to share your A64 Tweaker setting ?
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ok, here's mine...
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post Oct 6 2006, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(footie @ Oct 6 2006, 04:47 PM)
clockin a stick of ram is alwez easier than 2stick @ dual channel. neway, 2.6GHz w/ stock voltage is really impressive. not so familiar w/ abit board, but i suppose hynix ram will help if ur on tight budget, else, go for tccd. smile.gif

my 2 cents.  biggrin.gif
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2.6GHz@1.45vCORE? me myself clocked 2.88GHz@1.4vCORE sleep.gif brows.gif, grumble.gif show off

actually yes, TCCD is better i must say, coz, i successfully clocked at DDR640 stable whistling.gif
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post Oct 6 2006, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(footie @ Oct 6 2006, 06:47 PM)
2.6GHz @ stock voltage considered above average ledi, it's about luck sometimes to get a magical stepping...  smile.gif 

off topic:
mind to share a prime stable screeny mate? superb ram u have there...  rclxms.gif
i only manage to squeeze this outa my tccd...  sad.gif

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i'll use my 2.835GHz's screenie, as i can't find 2.88GHz screenie sweat.gif, anyhow..here's the screenie as u request biggrin.gif

user posted image

BTW, ur timing is quite tight, loosen it... say 3-4-4-8 at 2.8vDIMM biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(footie @ Oct 6 2006, 09:05 PM)
awesome chip...  thumbup.gif

i can get d ram run on 315MHz w/ same timing, but only prime stable for an hour plus...  doh.gif

i think 313MHz is d max, or mebe i need a chip w/ better mem. controller...  sad.gif
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FYI, i almost throw away my CPU because i tot this is a faulty one sweat.gif, anyway, different chip different max speed i must say icon_idea.gif. i did run clock at DDR660, but fail in every stress test (memtest, prime) but did manage to boot successfully, i wonder if i can set at 2.9vDIMM, but still 2.9vDIMM is considered high for TCCD sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ktek @ Oct 7 2006, 12:02 AM)
almost forgotten to ask , anyone got other than "assembly in malaysia" athlon64 ?
well , i'm using "assembly in china" one  shakehead.gif  .

ADA3000DAA4BW
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ohmy.gif, never thought got "Assemble In China" one...i thought all AMD Processor assembled in Malaysia wink.gif
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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Nov 23 2006, 11:58 PM)
guys..sorry for noob question here...
just wanna know something for sure...

Herm.. we all saw the amd64 3000+ can oc up till 2.8 ghz rite? they have a high fsb (e.g 300) and a lower rams (e.g ddr450 max) ... does this mean they'll have to use the divider? (i guess they use the divider for stability). Will it effect the performance comparing if settling to 1:1 ?

Also, how to start oc? begin from cpu? rams? - I'll jus need a short ans from this..will google for extra info on it...

thanks guys ^^
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yeah, sometimes when our system RAM can't go with 1:1, then we can use divider to limit our system RAM, our system RAM shouldnt go any higher than CPU FSB, it'll become nightmare tongue.gif, it's not for stability, it just because some RAM modules can't do 1:1...mine here 1:1 at DDR640 without problem...

start OC? increase your CPU FSB from stock (200MHz) to say 5Mhz increment, stress test it...success? go ahead, increase it with small increment...whistling.gif (this is just basic - mine, i'll go for big increment whistling.gif)
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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Nov 24 2006, 02:59 AM)
hmm... thanks for da info ^^
im only using value ram... canot get to 640 ler..haha... max should around 450 only ..dat time my rams also wan vomit ard ..hehe

I guess i'll go on with the divider... Fsb thingy..i wont go 5mhz i guess...too lazy to test so many times ^^ btw.. oc rams 1st to get the max mhz den only oc the cpu and set the divider or vice versa?
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as for me, i'll overclock using 1:1 first, so, increment 20MHz (before i know my capable of my CPU), safely boot to windows, reboot again, increase by 20MHz~30MHz until it can't load to windows (BSOD or watsoever that may failed to logon to windows), that's for both...you won't know which one the limit, so my advice, have it try one by one...

1st objective : get the highest CPU clock as possible...
- set your memory divider to the lowest clock, say by default is 200MHz, set it to 100MHz (2x200MHz=400MHz=DDR400), and leave your memory voltage and timing by default (these gonna need some advance - i won't teach whistling.gif), so, your RAM will run on DDR200. this is for make sure, your RAM won't suffer even after you overclock the CPU kaw²...then, increase small increament your CPU FSB and reboot, reboot, reboot and again to check which FSB it won't boot, from there, you'll know what's your highest CPU clock capable...

2nd objective : get the highest memory clock as possible...
- set your CPU multiplier to 5x, too much lower will make your system can't boot...assuming you're using A64 3000+ (1.8GHz=9x200MHz), so, CPU multiplier at 5x=200x5=1000MHz (1GHz), leave your memory at stock clock, don't touch anything...leave it at stock, just increase your CPU FSB to the max and see if it can load to windows...same apps to 1st objective...

hope this'll help...wink.gif
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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Nov 24 2006, 09:23 AM)
HMM...very clear indeed ^^
so as a conclusion.... 1st and 2nd objective is about the same rite? both aslo touch the CPU fsb only.. Dont have to touch the memory rite~
Btw, everytime i up the fsb..i'll need to set the divider? or leave it a 1:1 until it got problems.
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yes...it all depends on our CPU FSB.
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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Nov 24 2006, 01:41 PM)
hm...i guess i understand ard...
but 1 last question... when upping my fsb.. the divider can remain default or 1:1 rite? i dont have to adjust the divider and only adjust them when it crashes?
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yes, when say you use divider, the memory clock won't go at stock clock, in fact even lower, and it'll remain that way smile.gif unless you set it 1:1 or Auto
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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Nov 24 2006, 04:09 PM)
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i think DDR2 and DDR1 is same apps when comes to overclocking as i'm on DDR1 system...tongue.gif

1: using divider is for limit your RAM to go higher clock because maybe due to your RAM limitation. this is necessary when you want to check whether how far your CPU can go...

2: yes, you shouldn't set RAM > FSB ratio as it would make only more unstable tongue.gif

3: CPUz...9 is not divider, it's CPU's multiplier
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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Nov 25 2006, 02:29 PM)
oic...i guess i'll try out using my 3000+ system and my fren 3500+am2 system to see the comparison ... thanks so much guys... wish me luck tongue.gif

btw... am2 using ddr2 while k8 using ddr1.. using the same ghz cpu 3000+.. am2 3000+ easier to reach a more stable 1:1 because of its ddr2 rite? becoz i think its almost impossible to run 1:1 on k8 system when oc..
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laugh.gif don't say that, i'm one of them who can reach 3.0GHz on 3000+ @ 1:1 smile.gif -- errr but failed on all test even thou can boot safely to windows tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Nov 25 2006, 04:44 PM)
haha...im using value ram only... if still wan maintain 1:1... haha...better dun oc  tongue.gif  coz  know the limit ard

3.0ghz on 3000+ ? can increase multiplier ar? else ur ram must be a very good 1...

btw...using SP2004 and 3dmark03 enough to test? coz i feel confuse with prime95..lolz
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ValueRAM? then here comes the divider...you can always use the divider
nope, i'm using 333 x 9 (2997MHz), the RAM's at DDR666, maxed up to DDR670 tongue.gif, @3.0GHz, i'm still on stock voltage due to stock cooling -- didnt dare to increase tongue.gif
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different batch, different character i must say, sometimes even same name also (venice vs venice) still different character as my experience with my bro's CPU, he needs 1.65vCORE to get 2.8GHz on 3000+, but mine with stock can easily manage to hit 2.88GHz. in overclocking, it's like doing an experiment...
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guys...this is really drove me crazy...
i'm actually on A64 3000+ and overclocked to 2.88GHz (320x9@stock vCORE) with Team eXtreme PC4800 (3-4-4-8@2.8vDIMM), until last monday, i encountered weird things...it seems like my RAM can't do @DDR640 anymore, even i increase the vDIMM to 2.90vDIMM, same, it's BSOD...suspecting my PSU (i'm using Enermax FMA 350W), i unplugged all bling² items, secondary HDD, ODD, Sound Card too...same BSOD on windows loading, sometimes after 5 minutes logon to windows..., had a thought it might be cause of my overclocking madness, i decrease the RAM speed to stock (200x9), even worse, it won't boot. lucky for me, my brother swapped his RAM (Kingston HyperX PC3200 -- i believe it's CH-5) while mine is in my bro's rig for testing...it is amaze me, my RAM is rock stable, can run at DDR600, play with timing or watsoever...while mine on Kingston HyperX, yeah maybe due to limitation of the RAM, i can't go further than DDR450. this is confusing me, why my Team eXtreme can't go at DDR620 on my PC but it ran rock stable at DDR600 in my bro's PC?
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Jan 10 2007, 11:01 PM)
some tccd hate high voltage (especially d ealier batch), have u tried lower vdimm instead? dun think it's d psu issue coz usually fma psu are realiable. other than that it cud be mem controller issue which is related to ya chip...  smile.gif
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yeah i did that (lowering the vDIMM, from stock 2.6vDIMM to 2.8vDIMM), but still sad.gif BSOD...is it something related to CPU? well i don't think so, as i manage primed more than 5 hours (i quit after that -- need to play games)...hmm.gif
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QUOTE(ah_khoo @ Jan 10 2007, 11:07 PM)
what kinda setup u used to prime?  biggrin.gif
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small FFT for CPU stress test...FYI, if i were lucky, i get to windows, test some SuperPI and guess what, it'll restart, i used to be lucky got error message like Not Exact Round, but not like this...it restart...

QUOTE(noobianz @ Jan 11 2007, 01:18 AM)
sniper ur venice running 2.88ghz with fsb ratio 1:1??..
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yeah, 1:1 thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Mcrae @ Jan 11 2007, 12:09 PM)
hehe... i am just first year in engine...  cool2.gif  cool2.gif

now mmu holiday, i have NBTD until overclock my pc  smile.gif

BTW where u stay ? rented house or hostel ?
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guys...guys...watch it...:opps:

anyway, i found my RAM stable at DDR450 doh.gif, wtf...i used to run daily at DDR620, and now this? it really hurt me in gaming performance...cry.gif, i'm thinking to change my 350W FMA Enermax because it might the problem...but i'm not quite sure...

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QUOTE(Mcrae @ Jan 11 2007, 02:00 PM)
yea.. 350w is not  enough for o/c this days... maybe u could consider for 450 - 560w nowadays smile.gif
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yeah...come to think about that as my siggy said so...FYI, i've been running on 350W FMA since day 1 after used PowerLogic Atrix 500T which is totally f**ked up my rig 10 months ago...from my POV, i think, as for now, 450W~550W is good...

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