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Proton Suprima S
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Official LYN club and owners please proceed here: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2963214
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knape tak name preve hatchback jer? adus facepalm ...
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I don't like the name for few reasons:
1. Preve already proven brand. Just put Preve HB and people will understand. It is a Preve with a HB body. Unless the Preve name is detrimental, I don't see the need to make a new brand name and the campaign to make the brand recognised again. 2. If there is a Suprima S, is there a Suprima? People will think about this. S = Sport? So there is a Suprima C (comfort), Suprima N (Neutral) |
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Aug 7 2013, 06:04 AM) QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 7 2013, 06:05 AM) I don't like the name for few reasons: The current DRB management doesnt like the name Preve because of it is hard to pronounce correctly. 1. Preve already proven brand. Just put Preve HB and people will understand. It is a Preve with a HB body. Unless the Preve name is detrimental, I don't see the need to make a new brand name and the campaign to make the brand recognised again. 2. If there is a Suprima S, is there a Suprima? People will think about this. S = Sport? So there is a Suprima C (comfort), Suprima N (Neutral) Heard that they will kill all previous Proton legacy for future models. All with new name. If DSZ is still managing Proton, the Preve name will remain. |
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Suprime = pizza
Suprima = Preve hatch, too wired |
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Lepas ni kereta ni kena isi minyak kat Petronas aje lah (hints at Primax 95 Xtra) ... hehe
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any pictre for interior of tis car?
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Aug 7 2013, 06:23 AM) suprime =/= Pizza , I can't even find the pizza named suprime..I really don't agree with Proton, always comes with new names. For their model, except certain model such as Saga. Look at Honda. how long they use same name for their Accord,Civic and City Series. Look at Gen 2 and Persona, both of them is similar, why need to change name? |
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QUOTE(kae7 @ Aug 7 2013, 07:10 AM) suprime =/= Pizza , I can't even find the pizza named suprime.. Different name has different sales account with management pocketI really don't agree with Proton, always comes with new names. For their model, except certain model such as Saga. Look at Honda. how long they use same name for their Accord,Civic and City Series. Look at Gen 2 and Persona, both of them is similar, why need to change name? |
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i read that name and i thought that is accord rebadge will be a good news for us....
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No big deal just a name only.
If they never let you dissapointed of after sales services that is fine |
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a confused company trying to confuse buyers with their confused naming conventions.
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Why is everyone mad? It's just a name... Cerato came out of nowhere but no one's complaining.
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QUOTE(FlamingFox @ Aug 7 2013, 08:01 AM) Cerato is ok coz it's a new car although Cerato nameplate isn't new. The new Cerato got both sedan & hatchback which both maintain the Cerato nameplate.It would take a while for people to get used to the Suprima name while they calling it Preve hatchback. Same goes with Gen2 & Persona when most people at the time still calling it Gen2 sedan before comfortably calling its actual name Persona as we do today. The new name would stick eventually. |
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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Aug 7 2013, 08:10 AM) thought oversea also using Cerato this name too? Kia K name is official but differs with other country due to either its impossibruuuuu!!!!to pronounce, the name has been licensed by other company, sexual or offensive euphemism or joke (K9 = anjing in English speaking countries but coming from Kia, this would lead racist joke on Korean still eating dogs, MR2 = Shit in France due to phonetic pronounciation which sounded like Merde = MRDeux & etc...)K3 is unofficial name, it look more like product model number only... just like K5 (model no) = Optima (model name)... This post has been edited by alpha0201: Aug 7 2013, 08:29 AM |
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With the "s", i hope there is significant engine output difference with existing preve cfe.
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anyone know the estimate price for this car OTR?
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Aug 7 2013, 10:02 AM) Different setting in TCU of CVT and ECU.. yesterday had a discussion with Drex Chan from EA, a guy from Racechip and comparing my test drive experience with their knowledge about Preve. Came with the conclusion it has different setting due to 17' Rim for the higher end compare to sedan Preve. |
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QUOTE(alpha0201 @ Aug 7 2013, 08:17 AM) Cerato is ok coz it's a new car although Cerato nameplate isn't new. The new Cerato got both sedan & hatchback which both maintain the Cerato nameplate. I'm not surprise because i already know from beginning they will not retain the Preve name. It would take a while for people to get used to the Suprima name while they calling it Preve hatchback. Same goes with Gen2 & Persona when most people at the time still calling it Gen2 sedan before comfortably calling its actual name Persona as we do today. The new name would stick eventually. The name is alright, but of course to use Preve make more sense. But as I said, it is DRB decision. A lot of Proton engineer who original work for P3-22A/P3-21A already left the company. |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 7 2013, 10:38 AM) I'm not surprise because i already know from beginning they will not retain the Preve name. Where does engineer go then? Other local assembly plant?The name is alright, but of course to use Preve make more sense. But as I said, it is DRB decision. A lot of Proton engineer who original work for P3-22A/P3-21A already left the company. Then we can expect same reduced quality for the other CKD stuff. |
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Oh mai. The rims. Simply take from inspira. Can design buntut but cant design new rims
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WTF
Well I should at least be greatful they dint call it Preve Aeroback |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 7 2013, 11:46 AM) Yes, I know that's why my Honda is just like Proton in the interior plastic feel... also everything rattling.Only engine is solid since that one imported from Japan. At least my door handle don't break after a few months, the power window never needed repair after 8 years, interior plastic never change color after 2-3 years. Brake light never failed. (listed Proton defect is experience with Gen2) |
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wonder how much OTR
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kecoh kecoh is normal.
when preve first came out people also complain pervert this that |
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i can see why DRB Hicom insisted on using different name because it's 'hard-to-pronounce'.
1/2 hour ago i showed my dad that the Preve HB is going to be called "Suprima" and he was some kinda relieved that Proton changes the name. Many of his friends from overseas were mocking on the "Preve" name stating that it's 'too mouthful' to be uttered, unless someone teaches them the correct way to say it, so most of them would just say "PRRRVRRR" |
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QUOTE(cloudstrife07 @ Aug 7 2013, 02:01 PM) i can see why DRB Hicom insisted on using different name because it's 'hard-to-pronounce'. 1/2 hour ago i showed my dad that the Preve HB is going to be called "Suprima" and he was some kinda relieved that Proton changes the name. Many of his friends from overseas were mocking on the "Preve" name stating that it's 'too mouthful' to be uttered, unless someone teaches them the correct way to say it, so most of them would just say "PRRRVRRR" I'm not fond of Preve either, but... Suprima? And to think Skoda was mocked for the Superb... at least that is an above D segment car that is actually pretty good, and the name has been with the brand since the 30s or so. But calling a Proton Suprima is a bit ambitious, isn't it (apart from sounding like a tampon brand). |
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Aug 7 2013, 02:05 PM) I'm not fond of Preve either, but... Suprima? And to think Skoda was mocked for the Superb... at least that is an above D segment car that is actually pretty good, and the name has been with the brand since the 30s or so. But calling a Proton Suprima is a bit ambitious, isn't it (apart from sounding like a tampon brand). |
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Typical malaysian la, even name also complain
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means the future saga -> regular , preve -> supreme, perdana -> delux, perdana -> presidential, perdana limo -> king, *-> goddess
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I pronounce Preve as Preef.
Proton Preef. Period. |
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Luckily the Koreans are not like us or else Elantra would be vulgar language in Hokkien (his dixx big). KlA Cerato would be (Kiasi lah tu).
Simple car name also bash non stop. |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 7 2013, 06:20 AM) The current DRB management doesnt like the name Preve because of it is hard to pronounce correctly. I see.Heard that they will kill all previous Proton legacy for future models. All with new name. If DSZ is still managing Proton, the Preve name will remain. QUOTE(FlamingFox @ Aug 7 2013, 08:01 AM) I don't think people are mad. It is just about continuity. If BMW makes a a new 1 series HB, called it 8 series, people will complain. Makes no sense. QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 7 2013, 10:38 AM) I'm not surprise because i already know from beginning they will not retain the Preve name. So this car is buatan juniors?The name is alright, but of course to use Preve make more sense. But as I said, it is DRB decision. A lot of Proton engineer who original work for P3-22A/P3-21A already left the company. |
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little birdie told me the price wont be more than 80k
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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Aug 8 2013, 12:11 AM) current preve premium is 77k if imnm, i guess there would be a price reduction perhaps for the sedan.with 3k difference, i dont think you can get a different body style, more airbag, more gizmo and gadget and mostly different trim. the leak picture hint silver trim, most like faux aluminium perhaps |
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if the collaboration with honda pulls thru, and proton will be using accord's chassis to be Proton Suprima... i guess that would be the sedan version. but then its 2 different cars. lol
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I also wonder why they never named it Preve hatch, or Preve sports back or something. Changed to some brand that sounds like a loaf of bread or some canned product. It even could be a sub brand of some engine oil or petrol. Suprimak kau.
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QUOTE(nova_freak @ Aug 7 2013, 11:33 PM) Dear Keyboard Warrior,It was you who started it, and could not take it when someone stood up nicely and asked for your elaboration. Think twice before posting anything, especially against a moderator. If you think you're superior than us, it's sad to say that you're in the wrong forum my friend |
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..or maybe the "Suprima" and this Preve hatchback are 2 different entities altogether?
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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Aug 7 2013, 05:34 PM) while individual pronunciation is up to us, that thing is officially pronounced as "Proton Prae-vae"source: http://paultan.org/2012/04/04/proton-preve...for-the-p3-21a/ This post has been edited by cloudstrife07: Aug 8 2013, 02:45 AM |
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I just told my wife of this supposed Suprima name
Her reaction? "sounds like something from Pizza Hut" zzzz |
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QUOTE(SoZa @ Aug 8 2013, 12:16 AM) current preve premium is 77k if imnm, i guess there would be a price reduction perhaps for the sedan. Preve CFE abt RM73k..with 3k difference, i dont think you can get a different body style, more airbag, more gizmo and gadget and mostly different trim. the leak picture hint silver trim, most like faux aluminium perhaps The hatchback about Rm80k as info more new stuffs inside the car... Hence proton also looking for Perdana replacement, so it could be this car... |
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Indon-like name, maybe target Indon market ....
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Aug 8 2013, 12:45 AM) I also wonder why they never named it Preve hatch, or Preve sports back or something. Changed to some brand that sounds like a loaf of bread or some canned product. It even could be a sub brand of some engine oil or petrol. Suprimak kau. VW also name their Sedan as Jetta & Hatch as Golf, why nobody ask them to name it Golf Sedan or Jetta Hatchback ?Peugeot also name their sedan as 207 & hatch as 206 so why not 206 sedan. Toyota also name their Sedan as Vios & hatch as Yaris, why not Vios Hatchback ? Hyundai also i30 & Elantra, why not Elantra hatchback or i30 sedan, i40 & Sonata, why not i40 sedan or Sonata wagon. |
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 8 2013, 08:35 AM) VW also name their Sedan as Jetta & Hatch as Golf, why nobody ask them to name it Golf Sedan or Jetta Hatchback ? Actually it was stupid of them to separate the Jetta/Bora and Golf, otherwise they'd constantly be the best selling car in the world.Peugeot also name their sedan as 207 & hatch as 206 so why not 206 sedan. Toyota also name their Sedan as Vios & hatch as Yaris, why not Vios Hatchback ? Hyundai also i30 & Elantra, why not Elantra hatchback or i30 sedan, i40 & Sonata, why not i40 sedan or Sonata wagon. Yaris and Vios are no longer related btw., from what I heard. |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 8 2013, 10:44 AM) Expect next Jetta using A6 / MQB platform as well. The topic here is about name different between sedan & hatchback, I have shown P1 is not the only one even Big Car mfg do the same These kiddo simply wanna find fault. |
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 8 2013, 11:40 AM) Expect next Jetta using A6 / MQB platform as well. It's OK to give it a different name, but the problem is the name itself. The topic here is about name different between sedan & hatchback, I have shown P1 is not the only one even Big Car mfg do the same These kiddo simply wanna find fault. Forte is a good one, while it has a meaning (strong) it is from a language that not many are familiar with here. I also like the wind phase of VW naming. Santana, Golf, Bora, Jetta, Passat, ... Only Golf is a bit problematic. Suprima is simply a bit tacky. Like Toyota President, Crown etc., just that with those cars the name is at least quite fitting. This post has been edited by kadajawi: Aug 8 2013, 01:30 PM |
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 8 2013, 08:35 AM) VW also name their Sedan as Jetta & Hatch as Golf, why nobody ask them to name it Golf Sedan or Jetta Hatchback ? Pug used numbers as an upgrade. Thats ok because most of the cars looks the same.Peugeot also name their sedan as 207 & hatch as 206 so why not 206 sedan. Toyota also name their Sedan as Vios & hatch as Yaris, why not Vios Hatchback ? Hyundai also i30 & Elantra, why not Elantra hatchback or i30 sedan, i40 & Sonata, why not i40 sedan or Sonata wagon. Golf and Jetta looks different. Not just the amount of doors. Keypoint looks very different. Yaris also looks different from Vios. Hyundai Elantra and i series different looks also. And to make a point. None of your mentioned cars have 100% similar look in the front with each of the other supposedly twin model. Here the Preve looks 100% same up front. Can't tell the difference. By the time look at the side 3/4 to the back then it starts to look different. By the time hatred already set in. U get me? Key point total difference. Even though they may share same interior and platform. Its should be different. Or they could name it Preve-H. But no, its must be something overboard. Typical uncle thinking. No wonder we are lagging behind. |
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Aug 8 2013, 01:34 PM) Pug used numbers as an upgrade. Thats ok because most of the cars looks the same. When the Jetta was introduced the only thing that set apart the Jetta from the Golf were the headlights. The Golf had round ones, the Jetta square. That was the only difference. They did separate the cars later, but in the beginning...Golf and Jetta looks different. Not just the amount of doors. Keypoint looks very different. Yaris also looks different from Vios. Hyundai Elantra and i series different looks also. And to make a point. None of your mentioned cars have 100% similar look in the front with each of the other supposedly twin model. Here the Preve looks 100% same up front. Can't tell the difference. By the time look at the side 3/4 to the back then it starts to look different. By the time hatred already set in. U get me? Key point total difference. Even though they may share same interior and platform. Its should be different. Or they could name it Preve-H. But no, its must be something overboard. Typical uncle thinking. No wonder we are lagging behind. |
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 8 2013, 11:40 AM) Expect next Jetta using A6 / MQB platform as well. naming the car properly is the first good marketing step, in my opinion proton kinda fail in naming their car, suprima for a c-segment? that just seems inappropriate. The topic here is about name different between sedan & hatchback, I have shown P1 is not the only one even Big Car mfg do the same These kiddo simply wanna find fault. for a d or e-segment maybe its ok. naming a c-segment as suprima that just seems wrong |
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QUOTE(SoZa @ Aug 8 2013, 03:01 PM) naming the car properly is the first good marketing step, in my opinion proton kinda fail in naming their car, suprima for a c-segment? that just seems inappropriate. Atos Prime ? ....lol...A segment some more....for a d or e-segment maybe its ok. naming a c-segment as suprima that just seems wrong So Hyundai fail or not ? |
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Sounds like subprime in BM. A very famous name indeed esp. a few years ago.
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 8 2013, 03:41 PM) Yes. Though at least it only denotes the new version of the Atos, to show it is a different car. Like Satria Neo (which IMHO is much better).In any case, if anything they should call their D segment Accord-version Suprima. Btw.: Suprima is the name of a widespread brand of adult diaper holders and things like that. ![]() Google image search for Suprima if you want to see more. This post has been edited by kadajawi: Aug 8 2013, 04:56 PM |
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Proton D-segment will be called Hyprima
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remind me of supra.
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How about Grand Starex Royale ? supposed to be a cargo van name H1 like Hiace or Urvan but been modify to a MPV, should have use in 007 movie Casino Royale....lol...
Latest i10 with longer wheelbase also name i10 Grand, what so grand about a mini car...rofl... |
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proton only copy Aston Martin lor, like vanquish, db9, dbs etc
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so... today is after raya? when proton going to launch this suprima s?
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Proton Edar Miri, Sarawak called me to attend their Raya Open House in conjunction of the launching of a new Proton on the 16th-18th August 2013. (Because I tested their Saga FLX 1.6 SE
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 9 2013, 08:50 AM) How about Grand Starex Royale ? supposed to be a cargo van name H1 like Hiace or Urvan but been modify to a MPV, should have use in 007 movie Casino Royale....lol... lol...cracked me up on the casino royale part...grandlivina also....Latest i10 with longer wheelbase also name i10 Grand, what so grand about a mini car...rofl... |
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Pictures, I din't have any. But information about the car, I have plenty
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QUOTE(skybear123 @ Aug 14 2013, 09:12 AM) Pictures, I din't have any. But information about the car, I have plenty Any info on the pricing?As for the Hill-Assist, issit using the brakes like VW/Ford, or using slipping clutch like the current car |
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I thought Proton Suprima gonna be a rebadge Honda Accord or something that will replace proton relic; Proton Perdana.
The name IS A PROBLEM. Front really looks like Proton Preve, it should have been name Proton Preve Hatchback or Proton Preve Sport or something. Check Ford Focus for example(Ford Focus Titanium, Ford Focus S and so on). Bad naming will cause people to confuse. |
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Wouldn't it be epic if they changed the name last minute?
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Aug 14 2013, 09:25 AM) I thought Proton Suprima gonna be a rebadge Honda Accord or something that will replace proton relic; Proton Perdana. Yes, the name could lead to confusion. But you cant say that by hearing the name itself is not nice @@ Just worried that it would backfire the model. The name is nice, just inappropriate.The name IS A PROBLEM. Front really looks like Proton Preve, it should have been name Proton Preve Hatchback or Proton Preve Sport or something. Check Ford Focus for example(Ford Focus Titanium, Ford Focus S and so on). Bad naming will cause people to confuse. |
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i thought this was a new pizza in town...
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 14 2013, 12:03 PM) Do you think it worth that price with all those features? Or should we look at different brand for that kind of price? Definitely more worth it than Jayraptor N brand Forte EX kosong which is about the same price, Also very worth it compare to KIA Rio 1.4 (4AT), 24K cheaper than Cerato & Elantra 1.6. |
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QUOTE(skybear123 @ Aug 14 2013, 11:33 AM) Yes, the name could lead to confusion. But you cant say that by hearing the name itself is not nice @@ Just worried that it would backfire the model. The name is nice, just inappropriate. The name is that of an adult diaper sort of brand.Search for Suprima and this is what you get: ![]() If I search for Preve, I get the Proton Preve. Focus get Ford Focus and a newspaper. Wira get Wiralution. Vios get Vios. Fiesta get Ford Fiesta. And so on. But Suprima... adult diapers. And it is pretty much the market leader in that sector, they dominate the market and are well established. A small Malaysian car maker won't push them away so easily. |
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Aug 14 2013, 12:51 PM) The name is that of an adult diaper sort of brand. So Suprima S means Small size?Search for Suprima and this is what you get: ![]() If I search for Preve, I get the Proton Preve. Focus get Ford Focus and a newspaper. Wira get Wiralution. Vios get Vios. Fiesta get Ford Fiesta. And so on. But Suprima... adult diapers. And it is pretty much the market leader in that sector, they dominate the market and are well established. A small Malaysian car maker won't push them away so easily. |
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adult diaper brand
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a cousin who runs a proton edar branch said its price is 74k++
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Somehow i agree with DRBHicom to drop the Preve
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sounds stupid the name ... stick to one name cannot meh ... like how toyota, honda, bmw does ... ..
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QUOTE(xin @ Aug 14 2013, 02:10 PM) Toyota has several different names for vios. Mitsubishi has use different name for sedan and hatcbacb (mirage, lancer, colt).The only thing that make suprima sound so stupid is because of there is a word Proton in front of it. There's no problem if there is a model called Toyota suprima. |
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i agree they should stick with preve...suprima sounds stupid...
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 14 2013, 02:14 PM) Toyota has several different names for vios. Mitsubishi has use different name for sedan and hatcbacb (mirage, lancer, colt). it still sounds stupid to me even with Toyota or Honda infront of it ... yup but you see that the mirage or colt or lance is continued even the model is updated. Do we see Proton doing that ? i only see Proton keep changing the names with new model updates, no legacy or what ever. I think the management should follow Mazda, no need headache with names. Use Proton 1, Proton 2, Proton 3, easier for their brain to digest.The only thing that make suprima sound so stupid is because of there is a word Proton in front of it. There's no problem if there is a model called Toyota suprima. |
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QUOTE(xin @ Aug 14 2013, 02:23 PM) it still sounds stupid to me even with Toyota or Honda infront of it ... yup but you see that the mirage or colt or lance is continued even the model is updated. Do we see Proton doing that ? i only see Proton keep changing the names with new model updates, no legacy or what ever. I think the management should follow Mazda, no need headache with names. Use Proton 1, Proton 2, Proton 3, easier for their brain to digest. They might use Preve again for the replacement, suprima exclusive for hatchback.To begin with, Proton do not have legacy which have good reputation. They trying to build back the reputation from below. The only name that managed to have legacy is saga and satria. |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 14 2013, 02:28 PM) They might use Preve again for the replacement, suprima exclusive for hatchback. That's the thing with Proton, they gave the impression of being very blurry. Legacy names are a good start, back then they did mentioned that Persona/Gen2 will be legacy names for model updates. But looking at now, they bite their own words and go ahead with new namings. Their reputation for Persona i reckon did a good job, but instead they abandoned it and start to rebuild reputation again. When will their rebulding of reputation will grow ? Everytime also rebuild. To begin with, Proton do not have legacy which have good reputation. They trying to build back the reputation from below. The only name that managed to have legacy is saga and satria. |
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QUOTE(xin @ Aug 14 2013, 02:39 PM) That's the thing with Proton, they gave the impression of being very blurry. Legacy names are a good start, back then they did mentioned that Persona/Gen2 will be legacy names for model updates. But looking at now, they bite their own words and go ahead with new namings. Their reputation for Persona i reckon did a good job, but instead they abandoned it and start to rebuild reputation again. When will their rebulding of reputation will grow ? Everytime also rebuild. I did not recall they mentioned about Persona/Gen2 will be legacy.Persona/gen2 were built by ignoring global safety standard. It is not a good car if safety is not the priority. |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 14 2013, 02:41 PM) I did not recall they mentioned about Persona/Gen2 will be legacy. But the namings can be retained even with a new similar segmented car is introduced. Like how Saga and Satria went on. Giving new names to each car update doesnt help that much on their reputation, or so they think it will. Nevertheless Suprima still sounds Domino Pizza to me .. Persona/gen2 were built by ignoring global safety standard. It is not a good car if safety is not the priority. |
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QUOTE(xin @ Aug 14 2013, 02:23 PM) it still sounds stupid to me even with Toyota or Honda infront of it ... yup but you see that the mirage or colt or lance is continued even the model is updated. Do we see Proton doing that ? i only see Proton keep changing the names with new model updates, no legacy or what ever. I think the management should follow Mazda, no need headache with names. Use Proton 1, Proton 2, Proton 3, easier for their brain to digest. How about Sephia, Spectra, Forte, Cerato ? isn't that change name on every generation ?or Elantra, Avante then back to Elantra. What legacy then ? So korean can our local car cannot ? 1, 2, 3 ya o think that's is the maximum u can remember. |
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 14 2013, 02:52 PM) How about Sephia, Spectra, Forte, Cerato ? isn't that change name on every generation ? Yup that Korea brand also sounds stupid ... i also dun understand why many ppl go buy their cars and then compaint dashboard rattling la, handling not as good la... screw Korean cars, btw we are talking on Proton, why u butthurt ?or Elantra, Avante then back to Elantra. What legacy then ? So korean can our local car cannot ? 1, 2, 3 ya o think that's is the maximum u can remember. |
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QUOTE(xin @ Aug 14 2013, 02:47 PM) But the namings can be retained even with a new similar segmented car is introduced. Like how Saga and Satria went on. Giving new names to each car update doesnt help that much on their reputation, or so they think it will. Nevertheless Suprima still sounds Domino Pizza to me .. The old models not properly segmented as well. In fact, Proton is quite new. Like other companies, they already have 3-4 predecessor models. Suprima is alright. Very nusantara and Proton-ish. |
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QUOTE(xin @ Aug 14 2013, 02:56 PM) Yup that Korea brand also sounds stupid ... i also dun understand why many ppl go buy their cars and then compaint dashboard rattling la, handling not as good la... screw Korean cars, btw we are talking on Proton, why u butthurt ? Just an example. Like how you being selective in providing examples. |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 14 2013, 12:03 PM) Do you think it worth that price with all those features? Or should we look at different brand for that kind of price? It's only a matter of perceptions |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 14 2013, 03:00 PM) Ya thats why i did not include Korean brands on legacy namings, instead one of fanboys got butthurt and hurling that if Korean brands can do that why cant Local brands ... Korean Brands in whole are even newer than Proton down the history line, we cant basically expect Proton to go backward once again. They have been stagnant for a decade, in a goodwill i trully wished Proton to excel with at least solid model namings. Just like when we hear of 5 series, we would know which car is that. That is what legacy namings does, if they keep on changing names then i am not sure when will they be able to establish a strong presence internationally. |
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6 pages discussing name plate. Bla bla bla.. "yawn..." Anyone have information on the kerb weight? ECU different mapping? Man..I don't wan't this stock car cucuk2 me at highway. Later butt hurt. Lol..
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Aug 14 2013, 12:51 PM) The name is that of an adult diaper sort of brand. So be it, lol. Diapers are diapers, cars are cars. Two very different thing brother. How many people out of 10 actually know or remember an adult diaper's brand name? I certainly don't, not me. RoflSearch for Suprima and this is what you get: ![]() If I search for Preve, I get the Proton Preve. Focus get Ford Focus and a newspaper. Wira get Wiralution. Vios get Vios. Fiesta get Ford Fiesta. And so on. But Suprima... adult diapers. And it is pretty much the market leader in that sector, they dominate the market and are well established. A small Malaysian car maker won't push them away so easily. |
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QUOTE(xin @ Aug 14 2013, 03:09 PM) Ya thats why i did not include Korean brands on legacy namings, instead one of fanboys got butthurt and hurling that if Korean brands can do that why cant Local brands ... Proton only 13 years making car from scratch. Not many models they produce, therefore introducing new models with new name is normal.Korean Brands in whole are even newer than Proton down the history line, we cant basically expect Proton to go backward once again. They have been stagnant for a decade, in a goodwill i trully wished Proton to excel with at least solid model namings. Just like when we hear of 5 series, we would know which car is that. That is what legacy namings does, if they keep on changing names then i am not sure when will they be able to establish a strong presence internationally. |
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QUOTE(siegwarhiet @ Aug 14 2013, 03:11 PM) 6 pages discussing name plate. Bla bla bla.. "yawn..." Anyone have information on the kerb weight? ECU different mapping? Man..I don't wan't this stock car cucuk2 me at highway. Later butt hurt. Lol.. Wait until the launching then you will know lo .. but seeing Preve also can cucuk around, i think this little brother will also inherit that cucuk-ing criteria. So be prepare to make way .. lol QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 14 2013, 03:12 PM) Proton only 13 years making car from scratch. Not many models they produce, therefore introducing new models with new name is normal. And i am worrying that they will continue the same formula over and over again. |
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QUOTE(xin @ Aug 14 2013, 03:20 PM) Wait until the launching then you will know lo .. but seeing Preve also can cucuk around, i think this little brother will also inherit that cucuk-ing criteria. So be prepare to make way .. lol The new B segment compact hatch will obviously use new name.And i am worrying that they will continue the same formula over and over again. |
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Wondering how fast is this car from 0 to 100. It should be faster then the sedan due to ligheter body i assume.
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QUOTE(xin @ Aug 14 2013, 02:23 PM) it still sounds stupid to me even with Toyota or Honda infront of it ... yup but you see that the mirage or colt or lance is continued even the model is updated. Do we see Proton doing that ? i only see Proton keep changing the names with new model updates, no legacy or what ever. I think the management should follow Mazda, no need headache with names. Use Proton 1, Proton 2, Proton 3, easier for their brain to digest. Saga? Satria Neo? Persona (though that name was used in the UK only before)?The problem with Suprima is the name itself. Other names would be fine. Preve... not my favorite name, but acceptable. Still better than Suprima, but anything would be. Proton did the same thing with the Gen-2/Persona. Savvy/Saga. Wira/Satria/Putra (any left?). But combining the names would have the advantage of higher sales figures. for example Toyota and Ford are leading with the Corolla and Focus in terms of sale, even though if VW were to combine Golf and Jetta they would easily dominate. |
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QUOTE(skybear123 @ Aug 14 2013, 03:12 PM) So be it, lol. Diapers are diapers, cars are cars. Two very different thing brother. How many people out of 10 actually know or remember an adult diaper's brand name? I certainly don't, not me. Rofl Yeah, but you Google for the car and suddenly you have to look at diapers? Great way to make a first impression.IMHO car makers (or in fact any product makers) should Google for the name first, especially image search. If you find something that you don't want to be associated with, find a different name. |
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Aug 14 2013, 04:10 PM) Yeah, but you Google for the car and suddenly you have to look at diapers? Great way to make a first impression. Proton obviously did not google enough suprima. IMHO car makers (or in fact any product makers) should Google for the name first, especially image search. If you find something that you don't want to be associated with, find a different name. Im sensing they'll be utilizing different name for global market once they find out about the other Suprima. |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 14 2013, 04:12 PM) Proton obviously did not google enough suprima. That again makes for poor branding, not so much presence. Unless they want to stop buyers from other countries from hearing horror stories of Malaysian Protons. Im sensing they'll be utilizing different name for global market once they find out about the other Suprima. What was wrong with the idea of letting the public suggest names? Exora is a nice name. It doesn't say much, but sounds a bit exotic, interesting. When Apple came up with the iPod, that was bold. They already had established the iName, but Pod isn't really related to anything the product was finally all about. They could have called it the iMP3 or something like that, but that would have been obsolete fast. Of course later they became much more descriptive in their naming. iPhone is... well, a phone. |
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Aug 14 2013, 04:18 PM) That again makes for poor branding, not so much presence. Unless they want to stop buyers from other countries from hearing horror stories of Malaysian Protons. They probably settle with Preve S or similar for AU/UK market. What was wrong with the idea of letting the public suggest names? Exora is a nice name. It doesn't say much, but sounds a bit exotic, interesting. When Apple came up with the iPod, that was bold. They already had established the iName, but Pod isn't really related to anything the product was finally all about. They could have called it the iMP3 or something like that, but that would have been obsolete fast. Of course later they became much more descriptive in their naming. iPhone is... well, a phone. |
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QUOTE(xin @ Aug 14 2013, 03:09 PM) Ya thats why i did not include Korean brands on legacy namings, instead one of fanboys got butthurt and hurling that if Korean brands can do that why cant Local brands ... Better check ur fact Hyundai start producing car in 1968 while KIA 1973, Proton first car rolled out in 1985, so who is earlier ? Mr. 123 ?Korean Brands in whole are even newer than Proton down the history line, we cant basically expect Proton to go backward once again. They have been stagnant for a decade, in a goodwill i trully wished Proton to excel with at least solid model namings. Just like when we hear of 5 series, we would know which car is that. That is what legacy namings does, if they keep on changing names then i am not sure when will they be able to establish a strong presence internationally. Didn't Saga was been used since 1985 which make that 28 years ? so how legacy u want them to be ? BMW start producing car since 1928, 5 series was known as BMW new class 1962-1971 only by 1972 it changed its name to 5 series. Good 1, 2, 3, ?, 5 opps u missed out 4 ...lol. .. come on do some homework on auto industry history before bashing blind This post has been edited by jolokia: Aug 14 2013, 04:52 PM |
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 14 2013, 04:42 PM) Better check ur fact Hyundai start producing car in 1968 while KIA 1973, Proton first car rolled out in 1985, so who is earlier ? Mr. 123 ? Proton only qualified to be call as assembler at that time. Not until they have their own RnD unit, which Mitsubishi tak berapa suka. Didn't Saga was been used since 1985 which make that 28 years ? Good 1, 2, 3, ?, 5 opps u missed out 4 ...lol. .. come on do some homework on auto industry history before bashing blindly. Only in 2010 they start making car from scratch. |
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QUOTE(kae7 @ Aug 7 2013, 07:10 AM) suprime =/= Pizza , I can't even find the pizza named suprime.. same like Nissan separate GTR from Skyline after new management.......I really don't agree with Proton, always comes with new names. For their model, except certain model such as Saga. Look at Honda. how long they use same name for their Accord,Civic and City Series. Look at Gen 2 and Persona, both of them is similar, why need to change name? |
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Why not just Preve Sport... or Sportback... Why Suprima S???
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 14 2013, 04:46 PM) Proton only qualified to be call as assembler at that time. Not until they have their own RnD unit, which Mitsubishi tak berapa suka. Hyundai was also producing Ford Cotina back in 1968, only by 1975 they come out with Pony which designed & engineered by a bunch of foreigners. Only in 2010 they start making car from scratch. Sonata been Hyundai longest production car since 1985 were actually a Mitsubishi Galant initially. Even the Theta engine is a Mitsubishi derived tech engine. |
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Off topic : Anyone know why Maxis at Klebang Ipoh suddently lost its' internet connection? Really frustrating me to wait when its' going back to normal..
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 14 2013, 04:42 PM) Better check ur fact Hyundai start producing car in 1968 while KIA 1973, Proton first car rolled out in 1985, so who is earlier ? Mr. 123 ? well if you like Proton coming up new names for each car models then so be it. I prefer legacy names, Saga and Satria is running on the legacy name and i dont see why other models can do that. Yup, Mr Homework guy, then kindly help me to findout why is the name Suprimo then ? Sounds ubber class ? I find Persona sounds better.Didn't Saga was been used since 1985 which make that 28 years ? so how legacy u want them to be ? BMW start producing car since 1928, 5 series was known as BMW new class 1962-1971 only by 1972 it changed its name to 5 series. Good 1, 2, 3, ?, 5 opps u missed out 4 ...lol. .. come on do some homework on auto industry history before bashing blind |
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same case as GEN-2 / PERSONA
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![]() ![]() Everything seems the same, except new gear knob design, and different color trims in steering and dashboard. Bigger HU screen, seems to be the same as Thai/Indo unit. |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 14 2013, 06:04 PM) ![]() ![]() Everything seems the same, except new gear knob design, and different color trims in steering and dashboard. Bigger HU screen, seems to be the same as Thai/Indo unit. Steering no paddle shift? Maybe this is the midrange unit as dash looks plain to me. Also notice there are no more chrome trims at the buttons next to the LCD screen. |
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 14 2013, 06:12 PM) I thought someone mentioned 7" HU unit with android capability? Maybe this is not the high spec model. Or maybe the paddle shift is not visible from this angle.Steering no paddle shift? Maybe this is the midrange unit as dash looks plain to me. Also notice there are no more chrome trims at the buttons next to the LCD screen. |
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paddle shifter is there.. but with different color...hehehe
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Suprima ... i notice this is the first proton model which has 2 special emblems at the rear.. .one is TURBO.. another is Lotus... wow.. no wonder it calls Suprima becoz of that...
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 14 2013, 06:04 PM) ![]() ![]() Everything seems the same, except new gear knob design, and different color trims in steering and dashboard. Bigger HU screen, seems to be the same as Thai/Indo unit. This post has been edited by kevintth: Aug 14 2013, 08:31 PM |
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The interior still looks dull to me. I was hoping that Proton read all the negative bashes on Preve the last time and improve on this one, but sigh ... same old same old ... let's just hope the engine is a bit better ... should have come out with the Petronas engine already duhhhh ... we need 2.0 NA + manual!!!
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im not proton fan....
to be honest the exterior and interior are quite nice compare to almera,pug sedan, mazda 3. price wise with turbo and leather seat at 70k++ well worth it compare to vios at 80k++ with the same lame 1.5 old engine. with push start button, hill start assist and alot of safety features. i will highly consider this.... @kevintth u go see nissan interior and come back comment.... This post has been edited by mousepad87: Aug 14 2013, 09:06 PM |
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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Aug 14 2013, 09:00 PM) The interior still looks dull to me. I was hoping that Proton read all the negative bashes on Preve the last time and improve on this one, but sigh ... same old same old ... let's just hope the engine is a bit better ... should have come out with the Petronas engine already duhhhh ... we need 2.0 NA + manual!!! Proton needs to hire new group of designer. Each passing new car from them are....hmm... |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 14 2013, 06:04 PM) ![]() ![]() Everything seems the same, except new gear knob design, and different color trims in steering and dashboard. Bigger HU screen, seems to be the same as Thai/Indo unit. personally i feel that the iafm variant copperish brown look better than premium variant shiny wood and there is actually a paddle shifter there, its now piano black colour |
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I don't understand why most of u bash suprima's interior. For it's price, it does look ok to me.
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how much is this car?
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QUOTE(SoZa @ Aug 14 2013, 09:35 PM) the interior look better with the silver trim, preve faux wood look cheap and cheesy, the shine doesn't doesn't help either. But fake plastic also looks bad. They should just use black but make it possible to change. Like custom interiors. So aftermarket you can buy real wood ones from a carpenter, or real brushed steel, real leather, ... Or fake ones, depending on budget. Or perhaps different colors. Or even custom printed ones.personally i feel that the iafm variant copperish brown look better than premium variant shiny wood and there is actually a paddle shifter there, its now piano black colour |
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QUOTE(SoZa @ Aug 14 2013, 09:35 PM) the interior look better with the silver trim, preve faux wood look cheap and cheesy, the shine doesn't doesn't help either. Why they wanna use Piano black on the steering is beyond me.personally i feel that the iafm variant copperish brown look better than premium variant shiny wood and there is actually a paddle shifter there, its now piano black colour |
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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Aug 14 2013, 09:00 PM) The interior still looks dull to me. I was hoping that Proton read all the negative bashes on Preve the last time and improve on this one, but sigh ... same old same old ... let's just hope the engine is a bit better ... should have come out with the Petronas engine already duhhhh ... we need 2.0 NA + manual!!! Petronas engine is not ready for global emission requirement. Proton is repositioning their engine ever since they acquired petronas engine. Probably no 2.0 variant since it is overlapped with campro CFE 1.6 that deliver equivalent performance. The focusing the turbocharged 1.8 and 2.2 engine. They actually listen to the feedback, else how come they change the name from Preve to Suprima. All the bashers keep on bashing the name Preve. Later change to suprima also kena bashed kiri kanan. |
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in my opinion, it shouldn't be named as proton Suprima S. Preve Hatchback would be better because the interior at a first glance is 100% same as the Preve itself.
The analogy itself is also same as Proton Satria and Wira. Satria's interior is 100% same as Wira. Later than that, Proton Arena's interior design is as same as Wira, too. |
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this car has xenon headlamps ?
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QUOTE(xin @ Aug 14 2013, 05:10 PM) well if you like Proton coming up new names for each car models then so be it. I prefer legacy names, Saga and Satria is running on the legacy name and i dont see why other models can do that. Yup, Mr Homework guy, then kindly help me to findout why is the name Suprimo then ? Sounds ubber class ? I find Persona sounds better. Why waste time upset over a name ? u can alway change the it to "Xin S 123" if u like, since u can buy a chrome wording in any accessories shop...lol...Quite simple some model are sucess while some are not, usually car manufacturer will retain the name of those sucess model or what u call legacy, sometime they intend to sell 2 generation car at a same time, they would change one of the name. Anyway what is in the name it is the car itself that we r concentrating, what bothered by the color of the dog/cat collar instead of the color of the dog/cat ? |
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Sorry folks.. the exterior (especially rear) already looks dated even before launch.
Whoever designed this.. really should do better. Probably the whole design team should consider finding another job. |
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Aug 15 2013, 08:23 AM) Sorry folks.. the exterior (especially rear) already looks dated even before launch. Define dated. BMW, Mercedes, Honda still use this kind of design.Whoever designed this.. really should do better. Probably the whole design team should consider finding another job. |
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Proton marketing is dumb...always change name for what??? Should just call it Preve Hatchback or Preve Sports.
Suprima S="Supreme Stupidity" in English.....banggang marketing department....should hire me to do the marketing. |
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QUOTE(mousepad87 @ Aug 14 2013, 09:05 PM) im not proton fan.... not sure which pug sedan but u sure u what u saw is mazda 3 interior? to be honest the exterior and interior are quite nice compare to almera,pug sedan, mazda 3. price wise with turbo and leather seat at 70k++ well worth it compare to vios at 80k++ with the same lame 1.5 old engine. with push start button, hill start assist and alot of safety features. i will highly consider this.... @kevintth u go see nissan interior and come back comment.... |
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proton dah habis nama melayu ke sampai pakai nama2 luar??
persona = personality preve = predict suprima = supreme |
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QUOTE(am_i_rulez @ Aug 15 2013, 10:24 AM) proton dah habis nama melayu ke sampai pakai nama2 luar?? persona = personality preve = predict suprima = supreme I'm thinking they chose the name Suprima as a double entendre. Like you said Preve = predict which derive from Spanish. Suprima = supreme, make sense, but it means "remove" in Spanish. I was wondering if that serves as a middle finger to Datuk Syed Zainal Abidin & they can't abruptly cancel the development halfway for the hatchback version like they cancelled all Lotus future projects. Maybe I'm thinking too much. This post has been edited by alpha0201: Aug 15 2013, 10:44 AM |
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I very much prefer the Preve rear. It looks modern. Coupe like almost. The Preve Sportback rear doesn't match the rest of the design. It is too rounded.
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gud car from proton except for the suprima s name...
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QUOTE(am_i_rulez @ Aug 15 2013, 10:24 AM) proton dah habis nama melayu ke sampai pakai nama2 luar?? persona = personality preve = predict suprima = supreme QUOTE(alpha0201 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:42 AM) Prevé means "To prove" (as in, to prove that Proton can). This is Proton's definition for this name.http://paultan.org/2012/04/04/proton-preve...for-the-p3-21a/ QUOTE(mofisa @ Aug 15 2013, 10:47 AM) I thought they have dropped the Lotus R&H badge (renamed to Proton R&H). Why are they reverting back to the Lotus brand? |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 15 2013, 11:01 AM) I thought they have dropped the Lotus R&H badge (renamed to Proton R&H). Why are they reverting back to the Lotus brand? DRB sudah inject some money to the ailing Lotus recently to revive their buss. I am guessing DRB still wants to milk the Lotus branding.This post has been edited by petrofsky77: Aug 15 2013, 11:35 AM |
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QUOTE(alpha0201 @ Aug 15 2013, 10:42 AM) I'm thinking they chose the name Suprima as a double entendre. Like you said Preve = predict which derive from Spanish. Suprima = supreme, make sense, but it means "remove" in Spanish. I was wondering if that serves as a middle finger to Datuk Syed Zainal Abidin & they can't abruptly cancel the development halfway for the hatchback version like they cancelled all Lotus future projects. Maybe I'm thinking too much. |
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still suck in interior design and very chei gei quality
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Hp & Nm how much?
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Looks better than Preve IMO. But super stupid name
Bigger ICE screen is much appreciated. Exterior still sucks but at least it's an improvement over Preve. The rear seems like they were lazy to get alignments and cabling done properly so they decided not to extend the tail lights to the boot lid. I wonder how much... |
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QUOTE(DeniseLau @ Aug 15 2013, 01:27 PM) Looks better than Preve IMO. But super stupid name its not lazy la... its because they want to keep the price low.Bigger ICE screen is much appreciated. Exterior still sucks but at least it's an improvement over Preve. The rear seems like they were lazy to get alignments and cabling done properly so they decided not to extend the tail lights to the boot lid. I wonder how much... |
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All cars got 6 airbags? Nice. Hopefully the Preve will be upgraded too.
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luggage vol 309/427 ISO/SWEPT..what this means??
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so damn expensive for such car
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kerb weight - 1395kg
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QUOTE(leftist @ Aug 15 2013, 02:39 PM) kerb weight - 1395kg It is suppose to be lighter than sedan... how come so heavy 1... thats heavier than preve CFE of 1340kg..the FC & performance wont be better than CFE already cut off the tail lolx.. anyway, wait for this Saturday, the launching event to see the real car... http://paultan.org/2013/08/15/proton-supri...live-streaming/ |
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 15 2013, 02:41 PM) It is suppose to be lighter than sedan... how come so heavy 1... thats why i'm curious..shorter than preve but heavier..maybe coz of bigger rims??..but thats more than 50kilos of extra weight..doesnt make sense already cut off the tail lolx.. anyway, wait for this Saturday, the launching event to see the real car... http://paultan.org/2013/08/15/proton-supri...live-streaming/ |
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 15 2013, 02:41 PM) It is suppose to be lighter than sedan... how come so heavy 1... additional equipment 6 airbags,etc.already cut off the tail lolx.. anyway, wait for this Saturday, the launching event to see the real car... http://paultan.org/2013/08/15/proton-supri...live-streaming/ I've noticed that they've abandoned all pretenses that the CFE engine was under DSZ, ie downsized turbocharging. Now it's just a turbo badge and the real fuel consumption is printed in the brochure (good job for this, too many manufacturers overoptimistic when it comes to fc on brochures) but quoting 0-100 time on the marketing garb? Not smart, unless it's really good. 9.9 secs is nothing to shout about. |
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 15 2013, 02:41 PM) It is suppose to be lighter than sedan... how come so heavy 1... maybe because for rims? its 17"already cut off the tail lolx.. anyway, wait for this Saturday, the launching event to see the real car... http://paultan.org/2013/08/15/proton-supri...live-streaming/ |
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Even the wira aeroback is heavier than the wira sedan form so it make sense on the increasing weight.
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0-100km/h at 9.9s just a little bit more. 9s is something to shout about. I was first amaze they have come out with something capable of doing under 10s. Yeah it can be argue its below 10s...but hey its 9.9s.
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Aug 15 2013, 02:46 PM) additional equipment 6 airbags,etc. I've noticed that they've abandoned all pretenses that the CFE engine was under DSZ, ie downsized turbocharging. Now it's just a turbo badge and the real fuel consumption is printed in the brochure (good job for this, too many manufacturers overoptimistic when it comes to fc on brochures) but quoting 0-100 time on the marketing garb? Not smart, unless it's really good. 9.9 secs is nothing to shout about. QUOTE(hadykucing @ Aug 15 2013, 02:50 PM) err… it is not adding 6 more airbags… it just add 2 more from 4 airbags… and same goes to rim… is from 16" rim to 17' omg… like that 50KG more heavier than sedan.. |
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If proton wanted make a good number of sales they should offer more variant like how vios did. 80k for this is abit too confident, people will go for ckd jazz or kosong spec vios instead of this.
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 15 2013, 03:00 PM) err… it is not adding 6 more airbags… it just add 2 more from 4 airbags… and same goes to rim… is from 16" rim to 17' omg… like that 50KG more heavier than sedan.. tell the proton bashers that they welded the entire car properly this time, thats why its heavier |
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QUOTE(psycho1 @ Aug 15 2013, 03:08 PM) If proton wanted make a good number of sales they should offer more variant like how vios did. 80k for this is abit too confident, people will go for ckd jazz or kosong spec vios instead of this. I read somewhere the target sales for this model is only 200 per month. |
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Wonder if the Android system in this car can be rooted
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cheaper price should encourage sales.
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QUOTE(sangaran @ Aug 15 2013, 02:32 PM) The segment is within the likes of Civic, Altis, Focus etc. It's cheaper. But as always, it's Proton. Most people don't care about segments. All they see is price as a way to compare cars be it to other segments like Rio, Fiesta etc. |
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Aug 15 2013, 03:21 PM
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80k siuttt for high spec
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Aug 15 2013, 04:20 PM
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Still no Manual Turbo XD
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Aug 15 2013, 04:51 PM
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Aug 15 2013, 04:54 PM
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based on the spec, i like it
auto headlamp, auto wiper sensor, reverse camera, front sensor all wheel disc brake + multilink suspension ABS + EBD + BA + HA + ESC + TC not bad, not bad at all |
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Aug 15 2013, 04:59 PM
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I'm thinking of 75k executive and 78k for Premium is the best price. 80k is too much. Even the spec is good, i dont think malaysian is ready for a 80k proton. They need to prove their car is 80k worthy first before charging people 80k.
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Aug 15 2013, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 15 2013, 04:59 PM) I'm thinking of 75k executive and 78k for Premium is the best price. 80k is too much. Even the spec is good, i dont think malaysian is ready for a 80k proton. They need to prove their car is 80k worthy first before charging people 80k. Who are the current competitor for Preve currently at a price of 80k?a.) City (low spec) b.) Vios (low spec) c.) Almera (low spec) d.) Jazz (not even the same class, so drop it) e.) Myvi Lagi Best (lol...) anymore? how in the earth I can forgot "Forte"..lol..sorry This post has been edited by siegwarhiet: Aug 15 2013, 05:09 PM |
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Wrong pricing strategy, later might end up like inspira giving huge discount to clear stock. Better if Proton can provide more variant and let customer to choose base on their needs and budget.
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Aug 15 2013, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE(siegwarhiet @ Aug 15 2013, 05:07 PM) Who are the current competitor for Preve currently at a price of 80k? Maybe because it's no longer in production? a.) City (low spec) b.) Vios (low spec) c.) Almera (low spec) d.) Jazz (not even the same class, so drop it) e.) Myvi Lagi Best (lol...) anymore? how in the earth I can forgot "Forte"..lol..sorry |
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Aug 15 2013, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 15 2013, 04:54 PM) based on the spec, i like it auto headlamp, auto wiper sensor, reverse camera, front sensor all wheel disc brake + multilink suspension ABS + EBD + BA + HA + ESC + TC not bad, not bad at all QUOTE(siegwarhiet @ Aug 15 2013, 05:07 PM) Who are the current competitor for Preve currently at a price of 80k? thats what its tag say after all... Fully loaded with built in value... haha... tapao all lor... no need compete apa apa pun ada.. is like 200k car with that specs a.) City (low spec) b.) Vios (low spec) c.) Almera (low spec) d.) Jazz (not even the same class, so drop it) e.) Myvi Lagi Best (lol...) anymore? how in the earth I can forgot "Forte"..lol..sorry |
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Aug 15 2013, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 15 2013, 05:17 PM) thats what its tag say after all... Fully loaded with built in value... haha... tapao all lor... no need compete apa apa pun ada.. is like 200k car with that specs not to mention smart entry and push start button at that price(although they use an older version of it, not the latest version like those in camry, teana...etc etc) |
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Aug 15 2013, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(siegwarhiet @ Aug 15 2013, 05:07 PM) Who are the current competitor for Preve currently at a price of 80k? Why never includes Korean car ??a.) City (low spec) b.) Vios (low spec) c.) Almera (low spec) d.) Jazz (not even the same class, so drop it) e.) Myvi Lagi Best (lol...) anymore? how in the earth I can forgot "Forte"..lol..sorry KIA Rio 1.4 Naza Forte EX |
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Aug 15 2013, 05:23 PM
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Aug 15 2013, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 15 2013, 05:19 PM) not to mention smart entry and push start button at that price(although they use an older version of it, not the latest version like those in camry, teana...etc etc) plus… it got 5 star ancap rating in safety haha… Just curious… are they over confident or what.. They do print the 5 star ancap rating on the brochure without testing it first in Australia??? Or no need test coz is the same as Preve but shorter tail lolx… Bfore this Preve sedan they don’t dare to do so… |
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Aug 15 2013, 05:28 PM
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Aug 15 2013, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(siegwarhiet @ Aug 15 2013, 05:07 PM) Who are the current competitor for Preve currently at a price of 80k? U forgot the Chevrolet Sonic. around the same price..a.) City (low spec) b.) Vios (low spec) c.) Almera (low spec) d.) Jazz (not even the same class, so drop it) e.) Myvi Lagi Best (lol...) anymore? how in the earth I can forgot "Forte"..lol..sorry BTW Proton Perdana that time more than 100k still got people buy what.. |
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Aug 15 2013, 05:30 PM
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Aug 15 2013, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Aug 15 2013, 05:30 PM) U forgot the Chevrolet Sonic. around the same price.. Woo.. Chevrolet Sonic does 200Nm torque using 1.4L block. Sure need boost higher than 1 bar plus lag issue. But still a comparable car for Preve(not Suprima) compared to "others". BTW Proton Perdana that time more than 100k still got people buy what.. |
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Aug 15 2013, 05:51 PM
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Never thought this topic will be HOT. I thought alot of people think proton car is tin milo. WOW. Just WOW
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Aug 15 2013, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE(siegwarhiet @ Aug 15 2013, 05:43 PM) Woo.. Chevrolet Sonic does 200Nm torque using 1.4L block. Sure need boost higher than 1 bar plus lag issue. But still a comparable car for Preve(not Suprima) compared to "others". Not really, Chevy Sonic in Malaysia only has a 1.4L EcoTec with 100hp and 130Nm torqueThis post has been edited by Boy96: Aug 15 2013, 05:52 PM |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 15 2013, 04:59 PM) I'm thinking of 75k executive and 78k for Premium is the best price. 80k is too much. Even the spec is good, i dont think malaysian is ready for a 80k proton. They need to prove their car is 80k worthy first before charging people 80k. I agree with you. So now is not the time to buy it. Wait.... proton always have promotion. Once it drop to 75k for Premium then only people will think of this car cause the bad reputation they have and we are gamble our money for your car reliability after 5 year.Honestly Proton you should fire your marketing head cause new car coming out not even a teaser. No advertisement. How are you going to sell it. You should give choices to the buyer to have leather or nor leather seat for premium or some of the accessories that is not required to lower down the price. Hope once your car launch it was much better material use for your interior. Good luck proton. |
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Aug 15 2013, 05:55 PM
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RM80k is OK what. With all the features. You guys ask for it. 6 airbags and yada2 and poof, you got what you want, but in increase of price. Stop complaining.
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Aug 15 2013, 05:56 PM
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If they use campur engine, i think can ignore to buy la...
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QUOTE(siegwarhiet @ Aug 15 2013, 05:07 PM) Who are the current competitor for Preve currently at a price of 80k? price maybe yes but those u listed are not same class, preve/suprima is c segment a.) City (low spec) b.) Vios (low spec) c.) Almera (low spec) d.) Jazz (not even the same class, so drop it) e.) Myvi Lagi Best (lol...) anymore? how in the earth I can forgot "Forte"..lol..sorry QUOTE(siegwarhiet @ Aug 15 2013, 05:30 PM) too bad they are really global now |
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Aug 15 2013, 05:55 PM) RM80k is OK what. With all the features. You guys ask for it. 6 airbags and yada2 and poof, you got what you want, but in increase of price. Stop complaining. haha so true... ask to add reverse camera, they did, ask them to put bigger rim, they did... ask them to add 2 more airbags.. they did too.. add this and that.. still below RM80k. but... ask them improve quality and service.. dunno got or not |
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QUOTE(wadieq @ Aug 15 2013, 02:04 PM) Thanks for that.Now, if compare with preve specs: http://protonpreve.com/pricing.php Sedan acceleration is faster, 9.1 vs 9.6 secs Sedan weighs less Sedan 4 airbag vs 6 airbag. Got DRL some more. I always thought hatchbacks weighed less than sedan. |
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 15 2013, 05:58 PM) haha so true... ask to add reverse camera, they did, ask them to put bigger rim, they did... ask them to add 2 more airbags.. they did too.. add this and that.. still below RM80k. #apalagitoyotafansmaubut... ask them improve quality and service.. dunno got or not |
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 15 2013, 06:03 PM) Thanks for that. they do but they have extra thing in this one as compared to preveNow, if compare with preve specs: http://protonpreve.com/pricing.php Sedan acceleration is faster, 9.1 vs 9.6 secs Sedan weighs less Sedan 4 airbag vs 6 airbag. Got DRL some more. I always thought hatchbacks weighed less than sedan. |
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 15 2013, 05:27 PM) plus… it got 5 star ancap rating in safety haha… because preve already has that ratingJust curious… are they over confident or what.. They do print the 5 star ancap rating on the brochure without testing it first in Australia??? Or no need test coz is the same as Preve but shorter tail lolx… Bfore this Preve sedan they don’t dare to do so… this HB have extra safety feature compared to preve itself |
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 15 2013, 06:58 PM) haha so true... ask to add reverse camera, they did, ask them to put bigger rim, they did... ask them to add 2 more airbags.. they did too.. add this and that.. still below RM80k. Quality... compare to Gen2, Persona.... Preve' car improved alot in quality. 5 STAR NCAP ma. Service... I don't know.but... ask them improve quality and service.. dunno got or not Hope Suprima S quality is better. I think it can compete with Fiesta. I THINK la. This post has been edited by Leo the Lion: Aug 15 2013, 06:28 PM |
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Aug 15 2013, 04:20 PM) im still waiting for the 6spd manual.. neat they put the word "TURBO" at the bootQUOTE(dvinez @ Aug 15 2013, 05:58 PM) price maybe yes but those u listed are not same class, preve/suprima is c segment becausetoo bad they are really global now QUOTE(Chyan @ Aug 15 2013, 03:21 PM) |
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 15 2013, 06:05 PM) A lot of people will go for the Premium version.Premium has: Reverse camera Front+ rear parking sensor. (Now P drivers can park cars with ease, rather than ramming vehicle into other people) DRL Hill hold assist Auto climate control Auto headlamps 2 extra tweeters Leather seats Leather door trim Leather steering wheel 17" wheels. Auto fold mirrors Auto cruise Auto front wiper You get a lot for RM 3k difference Executive vs Premium on HB model. If you book a preve now, better cancel order and buy the HB Premium unless you need the massive boot. CFE RM73k, this one RM80k, so better weigh the RM7k difference. Engine output seems the same, thought not sure about the ECU mapping though. Not mention there. Also you get android Navi system and looks like 7" panel If can put waze, google maps there, no need to put ugly suction cup on dash/window and hook phone there. I'm guessing this is the Clarion Android unit. If true, then Proton quite advance using Android as base OS. Most car makers have their own OS for ICE with limited ios support. What does this integrated DSP thingy do? Do you need Hill Hold assist for Auto car? I thought once you put into P< car is lock, put into D, car moves forward. On a hill, if put in N, then I think car will go backwards. |
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Aug 15 2013, 06:22 PM
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people nowadays lagi lazy, already auto, still demand hill assist. takut jatuh
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 15 2013, 06:04 PM) Haha they Toyota dun even bother thier fans...Only proton does... Last time Preve released many ppl not satisfied Rim small... why no drl... instead led only... touchscreen also very small... ugly fake wood dashboard. .. ugly chrome designed on steering wheel... why Australia got 6 airbags... here only 4 cheat us... and bla bla bla... After listen to users suggestions. .. they changed whatever is possible in this SUPRIMA S.... Look at the new vios hahaha... if Suprima S was the new Vios... all will praise it like a god made car for 97k only... Sigh human never get 100% satisfaction. . Same goes to car nothing is perfect This post has been edited by kevintth: Aug 15 2013, 06:36 PM |
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If the price right and spec good, i will upgrade my proton to this suprima, if not maybe will find japanese....
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 15 2013, 06:19 PM) A lot of people will go for the Premium version. this is why i always recommend ppl to take the highest linePremium has: Reverse camera Front+ rear parking sensor. (Now P drivers can park cars with ease, rather than ramming vehicle into other people) DRL Hill hold assist Auto climate control Auto headlamps 2 extra tweeters Leather seats Leather door trim Leather steering wheel 17" wheels. Auto fold mirrors Auto cruise Auto front wiper You get a lot for RM 3k difference Executive vs Premium on HB model. If you book a preve now, better cancel order and buy the HB Premium unless you need the massive boot. CFE RM73k, this one RM80k, so better weigh the RM7k difference. Engine output seems the same, thought not sure about the ECU mapping though. Not mention there. Also you get android Navi system and looks like 7" panel If can put waze, google maps there, no need to put ugly suction cup on dash/window and hook phone there. I'm guessing this is the Clarion Android unit. If true, then Proton quite advance using Android as base OS. Most car makers have their own OS for ICE with limited ios support. What does this integrated DSP thingy do? Do you need Hill Hold assist for Auto car? I thought once you put into P< car is lock, put into D, car moves forward. On a hill, if put in N, then I think car will go backwards. its the most value for money getting so much more for less rather than taking the lower line thn later go to those workshop mod here and there with aftermarket stuff...ugly not sure abt the integrated DSP though, might need to ask the SA This post has been edited by MR_alien: Aug 15 2013, 07:28 PM |
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 15 2013, 06:34 PM) Haha they Toyota dun even bother thier fans... +1,000,000Only proton does... Last time Preve released many ppl not satisfied Rim small... why no drl... instead led only... touchscreen also very small... ugly fake wood dashboard. .. ugly chrome designed on steering wheel... why Australia got 6 airbags... here only 4 cheat us... and bla bla bla... After listen to users suggestions. .. they changed whatever is possible in this SUPRIMA S.... Look at the new vios hahaha... if Suprima S was the new Vios... all will praise it like a god made car for 97k only... Sigh human never get 100% satisfaction. . Same goes to car nothing is perfect |
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1.6 turbo that can do 0-100 in 10secs should be proud ?
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 15 2013, 06:19 PM) Also you get android Navi system and looks like 7" panel If can put waze, google maps there, no need to put ugly suction cup on dash/window and hook phone there. I'm guessing this is the Clarion Android unit. If true, then Proton quite advance using Android as base OS. Most car makers have their own OS for ICE with limited ios support. What does this integrated DSP thingy do? And I wonder why no one is excited with the turbo tag |
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 15 2013, 06:19 PM) QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 15 2013, 07:27 PM) DSP = Digital Signal Processinghttp://www.ebay.com/gds/Understanding-Sign...nd/26631/g.html I think only ICE fans can explain to you what this is. The SAs will probably mumble incoherently when you ask them QUOTE(Candlenie @ Aug 15 2013, 07:44 PM) And I wonder why no one is excited with the turbo tag Err....CFE = Turbo? This post has been edited by dares: Aug 15 2013, 07:51 PM |
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 15 2013, 06:19 PM) Do you need Hill Hold assist for Auto car? I thought once you put into P< car is lock, put into D, car moves forward. On a hill, if put in N, then I think car will go backwards. Hill hold assist holds your car on a steep enough slope when you move your feet from the brakes to the throttle pedal.Without it, most cars will roll backwards the moment you lift off the brakes. |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 15 2013, 07:49 PM) Hill hold assist holds your car on a steep enough slope when you move your feet from the brakes to the throttle pedal. I know what it does. Usually comes in manual transmission because longer in neutral gear. In Auto, not sure why it is there, since you are not in N that long. Without it, most cars will roll backwards the moment you lift off the brakes. Thinking about it, at RM80k, it is actually reasonable value, tough people discussing the same topic in the kopitiam all say overprice Proton now following the Kia/Hyundai model of the early 2000s. Give tons of stuff with extended warranty. Kia/Hyundai have moved on to directly fighting car makes for same market share. 5 years warranty is good enough for me. If problems cannot be fixed within first 3 years, then there is an inherent design flaw, so give 20 years also cannot fix. The only thing left is to wait for the reviews. Especially the driving characteristics. Engine noise, sluggishness, pickup voiced by those with the CFE variant. If all cured, then I don't see any logic reason why would you buy the standard CFE over the HB model (unless you really need the boot space and hate the HB rear looks). Wait for the sedan goes through it's midlife facelift, then the sedan can be seen on par with the HB. What you see in the HB Premium, will cross over to the Sedan + whatever faults they find on the HB during its midlife facelift. Preve facelift 2014? This post has been edited by mystvearn: Aug 15 2013, 08:29 PM |
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 15 2013, 07:27 PM) this is why i always recommend ppl to take the highest line It is impossible to get cheaper mods that can make Executive>Premium under 3k.its the most value for money getting so much more for less rather than taking the lower line thn later go to those workshop mod here and there with aftermarket stuff...ugly not sure abt the integrated DSP though, might need to ask the SA Say you can trade in rims, stock rims, RM500 extra. Or maybe you can get free rims from inspira who decided to change it. Same rims. Who is going to trade leather for fabric seats? Can't put aftermarket Hill hold assist IIANM Side airbags. Can't install aftermarket also. The rest can be added for under RM3k. |
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 15 2013, 08:14 PM) I know what it does. Usually comes in manual transmission because longer in neutral gear. In Auto, not sure why it is there, since you are not in N that long. For clutch-based autos, the reasons are the same as in a manual. When you press the brake, the clutch is disengaged. So when you lift off the brake and move your leg to the throttle, the clutch takes time to grab the flywheel again. It is at that interval your car may roll backwards. VWs and Ford DCT cars comes with hill hold assist.Regular ATs just use the torque converter to drag the car and keep it from rolling backwards, therefore may not need hill hold assist. But on really steep slopes it may still roll backwards. IINM, the Punch CVT comes with some sort of limited hill hold function using similiar techniques like you would a manual when balancing the throttle and clutch on a slope. If the ECU detects that you are on a slope it will instruct the engine to generate more torque and apply half pressure to the clutch to hold the car on the slope, after you have lifted your foot off the brakes. Correct me if I am wrong, though. This post has been edited by dares: Aug 15 2013, 09:08 PM |
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 15 2013, 08:14 PM) I know what it does. Usually comes in manual transmission because longer in neutral gear. In Auto, not sure why it is there, since you are not in N that long. Even auto will still roll back a little bit in higher gradient, particularly CVT auto.Thinking about it, at RM80k, it is actually reasonable value, tough people discussing the same topic in the kopitiam all say overprice Proton now following the Kia/Hyundai model of the early 2000s. Give tons of stuff with extended warranty. Kia/Hyundai have moved on to directly fighting car makes for same market share. 5 years warranty is good enough for me. If problems cannot be fixed within first 3 years, then there is an inherent design flaw, so give 20 years also cannot fix. The only thing left is to wait for the reviews. Especially the driving characteristics. Engine noise, sluggishness, pickup voiced by those with the CFE variant. If all cured, then I don't see any logic reason why would you buy the standard CFE over the HB model (unless you really need the boot space and hate the HB rear looks). Wait for the sedan goes through it's midlife facelift, then the sedan can be seen on par with the HB. What you see in the HB Premium, will cross over to the Sedan + whatever faults they find on the HB during its midlife facelift. Preve facelift 2014? I don't remember Hyundai KIA given a lot of stuff during early 2000 Spectra, Sonata EF, Old Elantra, Matrix, Getz, Caren, Carnival, Old Accent all giving useless extra like chrome accs, fake air scope, football post spoiler, ugly local Novus bodykit, most useless junk. Only untill Forte SX 2009 they give additional safety equipment. |
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 15 2013, 08:14 PM) I know what it does. Usually comes in manual transmission because longer in neutral gear. In Auto, not sure why it is there, since you are not in N that long. those are /k/Thinking about it, at RM80k, it is actually reasonable value, tough people discussing the same topic in the kopitiam all say overprice Proton now following the Kia/Hyundai model of the early 2000s. Give tons of stuff with extended warranty. Kia/Hyundai have moved on to directly fighting car makes for same market share. 5 years warranty is good enough for me. If problems cannot be fixed within first 3 years, then there is an inherent design flaw, so give 20 years also cannot fix. The only thing left is to wait for the reviews. Especially the driving characteristics. Engine noise, sluggishness, pickup voiced by those with the CFE variant. If all cured, then I don't see any logic reason why would you buy the standard CFE over the HB model (unless you really need the boot space and hate the HB rear looks). Wait for the sedan goes through it's midlife facelift, then the sedan can be seen on par with the HB. What you see in the HB Premium, will cross over to the Sedan + whatever faults they find on the HB during its midlife facelift. Preve facelift 2014? they always demand more/unsatisfied but eventually will buy 1 and like u say, if everything is cured u would see those feature coming out on the preve facelift as well....both will be on par This post has been edited by MR_alien: Aug 15 2013, 09:20 PM |
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 15 2013, 08:14 PM) I know what it does. Usually comes in manual transmission because longer in neutral gear. In Auto, not sure why it is there, since you are not in N that long. Even auto will still roll back a little bit in higher gradient, particularly CVT auto.Thinking about it, at RM80k, it is actually reasonable value, tough people discussing the same topic in the kopitiam all say overprice Proton now following the Kia/Hyundai model of the early 2000s. Give tons of stuff with extended warranty. Kia/Hyundai have moved on to directly fighting car makes for same market share. 5 years warranty is good enough for me. If problems cannot be fixed within first 3 years, then there is an inherent design flaw, so give 20 years also cannot fix. The only thing left is to wait for the reviews. Especially the driving characteristics. Engine noise, sluggishness, pickup voiced by those with the CFE variant. If all cured, then I don't see any logic reason why would you buy the standard CFE over the HB model (unless you really need the boot space and hate the HB rear looks). Wait for the sedan goes through it's midlife facelift, then the sedan can be seen on par with the HB. What you see in the HB Premium, will cross over to the Sedan + whatever faults they find on the HB during its midlife facelift. Preve facelift 2014? I don't remember Hyundai KIA given a lot of stuff during early 2000 Spectra, Sonata EF, Old Elantra, Matrix, Getz, Caren, Carnival, Old Accent all giving useless extra like chrome accs, fake air scope, football post spoiler, ugly local Novus bodykit, most useless junk. Only untill Forte SX 2009 they give additional safety equipment. |
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 15 2013, 08:34 PM) It is impossible to get cheaper mods that can make Executive>Premium under 3k. yes...but some ppl prolly just want a cheaper carSay you can trade in rims, stock rims, RM500 extra. Or maybe you can get free rims from inspira who decided to change it. Same rims. Who is going to trade leather for fabric seats? Can't put aftermarket Hill hold assist IIANM Side airbags. Can't install aftermarket also. The rest can be added for under RM3k. thn after that have some money thn have intention to mod so they go out and install aftermarket ones not only it ruins the car, they end up paying more than just directly buying the highest spec as well thats why i always recommend to just directly get the highest line |
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80k price is w/o insurance right?
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QUOTE(siegwarhiet @ Aug 15 2013, 05:07 PM) Who are the current competitor for Preve currently at a price of 80k? can't do comparison in such way...a.) City (low spec) b.) Vios (low spec) c.) Almera (low spec) d.) Jazz (not even the same class, so drop it) e.) Myvi Lagi Best (lol...) anymore? how in the earth I can forgot "Forte"..lol..sorry it's not fair... this is made in Malaysia...(i nv mean the quality and brand, i mean the cost of the car) do u know the price for City,Vios,Almera and etc at Langkawi? for RM75000-RM80000 in Langkawi it's almost Honda Civic 2.0 price... y other car manufacturing country's citizen can own their home made car in better price than Malaysia? is it Malaysian more rich? |
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try search suprima in google image... u will laugh!!! (just for fun, no harm) |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 15 2013, 09:02 PM) For clutch-based autos, the reasons are the same as in a manual. When you press the brake, the clutch is disengaged. So when you lift off the brake and move your leg to the throttle, the clutch takes time to grab the flywheel again. It is at that interval your car may roll backwards. VWs and Ford DCT cars comes with hill hold assist. I see. Thanks. Regular ATs just use the torque converter to drag the car and keep it from rolling backwards, therefore may not need hill hold assist. But on really steep slopes it may still roll backwards. IINM, the Punch CVT comes with some sort of limited hill hold function using similiar techniques like you would a manual when balancing the throttle and clutch on a slope. If the ECU detects that you are on a slope it will instruct the engine to generate more torque and apply half pressure to the clutch to hold the car on the slope, after you have lifted your foot off the brakes. Correct me if I am wrong, though. QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 15 2013, 09:08 PM) Even auto will still roll back a little bit in higher gradient, particularly CVT auto. The extended warranty bit. Technology has not caught up at that time. ABS, on Merc S class.I don't remember Hyundai KIA given a lot of stuff during early 2000 Spectra, Sonata EF, Old Elantra, Matrix, Getz, Caren, Carnival, Old Accent all giving useless extra like chrome accs, fake air scope, football post spoiler, ugly local Novus bodykit, most useless junk. Only untill Forte SX 2009 they give additional safety equipment. |
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QUOTE(cheehing @ Aug 15 2013, 09:45 PM) can't do comparison in such way... You can't compare civic price in Langkawi with any local car in Malaysia since local car also got heavily tax by gov. Go learn about car tax structure in Malaysia 1st b4 you wanna talk about fairness.it's not fair... this is made in Malaysia...(i nv mean the quality and brand, i mean the cost of the car) do u know the price for City,Vios,Almera and etc at Langkawi? for RM75000-RM80000 in Langkawi it's almost Honda Civic 2.0 price... y other car manufacturing country's citizen can own their home made car in better price than Malaysia? is it Malaysian more rich? |
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lai, group view car, test drive? LOL
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QUOTE(-cmi- @ Aug 15 2013, 10:45 PM) You can't compare civic price in Langkawi with any local car in Malaysia since local car also got heavily tax by gov. Go learn about car tax structure in Malaysia 1st b4 you wanna talk about fairness. i know there r tax exists...what i wan to express is y as a car maker country, our car compare to other car maker country the price is so expensive for their own citizen? i mean japanese buying car in japan and malaysian buying car in malaysia |
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But Langkawi Price for Preve CFE is RM69k. Only RM3k+ difference from Peninsular Malaysia's price. Just top up RM11k in Langkawi and you can get a Civic already.
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 15 2013, 06:19 PM) If you book a preve now, better cancel order and buy the HB Premium unless you need the massive boot. CFE RM73k, this one RM80k, so better weigh the RM7k difference. Engine output seems the same, thought not sure about the ECU mapping though. Not mention there. dont forget Rm6k discount provided for preve CFE, so the differences about RM13k between Preve and Suprima for now... if buy NOW (2013 car), maybe Preve CFE (saved RM13k) still worth than Suprima Premium; if buy 2014 car, Suprima Premium should worth than Preve CFE... but i still will go for Preve due to the rear bonnet space for family usage... Preve 500+Litre (enough for family usage); Suprima 300-420Litre (still kinda small for family usage) just my 2 cents This post has been edited by gkl83: Aug 16 2013, 01:03 AM |
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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Aug 16 2013, 01:02 AM) dont forget Rm6k discount provided for preve CFE, so the differences about RM13k between Preve and Suprima for now... RM13k....then need to think backif buy NOW (2013 car), maybe Preve CFE (saved RM13k) still worth than Suprima Premium; if buy 2014 car, Suprima Premium should worth than Preve CFE... but i still will go for Preve due to the rear bonnet space for family usage... Preve 500+Litre (enough for family usage); Suprima 300-420Litre (still kinda small for family usage) just my 2 cents |
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QUOTE(cheehing @ Aug 15 2013, 09:45 PM) can't do comparison in such way... You just did bland statement without knowing the whole structure of a country. Have you been(ok la read) to(about) Korea automotive industry in their own country?it's not fair... this is made in Malaysia...(i nv mean the quality and brand, i mean the cost of the car) do u know the price for City,Vios,Almera and etc at Langkawi? for RM75000-RM80000 in Langkawi it's almost Honda Civic 2.0 price... y other car manufacturing country's citizen can own their home made car in better price than Malaysia? is it Malaysian more rich? |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 7 2013, 06:20 AM) The current DRB management doesnt like the name Preve because of it is hard to pronounce correctly. err suprima doesn't sound tat great either.Heard that they will kill all previous Proton legacy for future models. All with new name. If DSZ is still managing Proton, the Preve name will remain. |
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To all Brainless Proton basher out there..
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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Aug 16 2013, 09:38 AM) My office won't allow me to excess either facebook and <referral link removed>. Anyway just google 16 things You Didn't Know About Proton from <referral link removed>The heck my IT office keeps removing the link. Lol..they are good.. s a y s . c o m But I am better than them..lol.. This post has been edited by siegwarhiet: Aug 16 2013, 09:42 AM |
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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Aug 16 2013, 01:02 AM) dont forget Rm6k discount provided for preve CFE, so the differences about RM13k between Preve and Suprima for now... Really 6k? I thought still RM3500 for 2013? coool if buy NOW (2013 car), maybe Preve CFE (saved RM13k) still worth than Suprima Premium; if buy 2014 car, Suprima Premium should worth than Preve CFE... but i still will go for Preve due to the rear bonnet space for family usage... Preve 500+Litre (enough for family usage); Suprima 300-420Litre (still kinda small for family usage) just my 2 cents |
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QUOTE(siegwarhiet @ Aug 16 2013, 09:40 AM) My office won't allow me to excess either facebook and <referral link removed>. Anyway just google 16 things You Didn't Know About Proton from <referral link removed> wow... after i read it... Miss Universal Australia 2013 drives home Preve CFE! The first one in Australia i guess haha.. i thought non cfe version sell there first.The heck my IT office keeps removing the link. Lol..they are good.. s a y s . c o m But I am better than them..lol.. This >> "Proton uses the German technology of “Hot Press Forming” which enhances structure integrity to the strength of its car by 3 times" wow Proton no longer produce milo tin car lar... so now who took milo tin place? After read the article come to a conclusion... Proton car... - nice performance - great safety package - great handling - high tax causing Proton car to be expensive than oversea! - but... no mention about its quality lolx... |
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Suprima = Sorento.
After this no more RnD in Proton, a lot of their staff in RnD already resign. Just buy design and put the Proton Badge with the name of Malaysia. Very sad. |
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 16 2013, 10:16 AM) wow... after i read it... Miss Universal Australia 2013 drives home Preve CFE! The first one in Australia i guess haha.. i thought non cfe version sell there first. What la you, cannot do self deduction from your summary one ah? Great Safety Package + Great Handling = Great Quality lah ... or else how can a car with poor quality have great this and that?This >> "Proton uses the German technology of “Hot Press Forming” which enhances structure integrity to the strength of its car by 3 times" wow Proton no longer produce milo tin car lar... so now who took milo tin place? After read the article come to a conclusion... Proton car... - nice performance - great safety package - great handling - high tax causing Proton car to be expensive than oversea! - but... no mention about its quality lolx... |
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QUOTE(cheehing @ Aug 15 2013, 10:02 PM) I agree with youhttps://www.google.com/search?q=suprima&oe=...52F%3B630%3B902 |
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 16 2013, 07:35 AM) Me too need to think again cause current preve is having promotion up to 7k discount. Looking into the boot space and also the technology and accessory compare with suprima. I think it is still better to take preve for now.The only think I feel must have in preve compare to suprima is the 6 air bag, hill start, and reverse camera. Other then this all other is optional depend on the driver. 13k is a lot of different for monthly loan and also the interest we need to pay. |
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QUOTE(leftist @ Aug 16 2013, 10:44 AM) Looking at the 0-100 kph values, it seems gearbox the most dominant factor. May be Proton will come out with Suprima GTi with 6-speed manual and uprated turbo in the future.After using CVT, for a family man like me, I love it. No shift shock, just smooth driving. |
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Ford Fiesta 1.6 century sprint 13.8 seconds??
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QUOTE(MSS @ Aug 16 2013, 10:36 AM) Suprima = Sorento. Dude, do you even live on earth? Not loyal Proton Engineer resigning the conclusion is close the RnD? How about they absorb R3 team to RnD Dept. Nah, change of mind, how about Lotus team design transferred/hired to Proton? Your sadness amuse me in the other way.After this no more RnD in Proton, a lot of their staff in RnD already resign. Just buy design and put the Proton Badge with the name of Malaysia. Very sad. This post has been edited by siegwarhiet: Aug 16 2013, 11:11 AM |
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This topic is HOT.
I'm sure even haters will buy this car. Or Haters will put this car in their option when buying a new car |
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Aug 16 2013, 11:12 AM) This topic is HOT. Better don't la. Later haters flooding Prevé Fan Club with more brainless/idiot comments from them. I prefer they keep buying Honda. Only Honda can shut their retarded mouth. Lol..I'm sure even haters will buy this car. Or Haters will put this car in their option when buying a new car |
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QUOTE(siegwarhiet @ Aug 16 2013, 11:02 AM) Dude, do you even live on earth? Not loyal Proton Engineer resigning the conclusion is close the RnD? How about they absorb R3 team to RnD Dept. Nah, change of mind, how about Lotus team design transferred/hired to Proton? Your sadness amuse me in the other way. Engineers come and go since 1985. No dept is shut down due to this alone, new dept prop up ada la. Its good if there's movement, especially those lazy, complacent people spent years in there but dont even know which part is called fender and how long wheelbase of new model is. However, honestly , a lot of good engineers left too because of better prospect elsewhere. |
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Aug 16 2013, 11:12 AM) This topic is HOT. From the feedback here... haha bye bye vios bah ... I'm sure even haters will buy this car. Or Haters will put this car in their option when buying a new car Paultan Paultan facebook |
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'Pekerja Proton sendiri cakap jangan beli Proton'.
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QUOTE(akbarS @ Aug 16 2013, 11:24 AM) Engineers come and go since 1985. No dept is shut down due to this alone, new dept prop up ada la. Couldn't be more agree with you. Engineers are climbing their own career path. Only small minded people stay where they are or even downgraded with their own opinion. Its good if there's movement, especially those lazy, complacent people spent years in there but dont even know which part is called fender and how long wheelbase of new model is. However, honestly , a lot of good engineers left too because of better prospect elsewhere. |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 16 2013, 12:27 PM) 'Pekerja Proton sendiri cakap jangan beli Proton'. Yeah, heard that LONG ago. But now not sure. After Proton Saga FLX, Proton Preve', proton improved a lot. Even the quality is BETTER than last time.This kind pekerja proton should the first to leave the company. This type of staff may deliberately sabotage product quality while in production. |
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 16 2013, 11:26 AM) Only if u believed on looser comments there, Vios would turn out to be another great success for UMW for sure, with Cerato/Elantra going to 100K price tag, Vios have no competitors in this price bracket. |
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 16 2013, 11:39 AM) Only if u believed on looser comments there, Vios would turn out to be another great success for UMW for sure, with Cerato/Elantra going to 100K price tag, Vios have no competitors in this price bracket. It think kevintth is refering to Prevé. Not any Korean car. Am I right?This post has been edited by siegwarhiet: Aug 16 2013, 11:42 AM |
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 16 2013, 12:39 PM) Only if u believed on looser comments there, Vios would turn out to be another great success for UMW for sure, with Cerato/Elantra going to 100K price tag, Vios have no competitors in this price bracket. Honda city is going down by giving 10K discount currently.And Jazz too.So Vios and Honda remains 70K +If Suprima is price this range it will be a big lol! But we always have patriotik car buyer who thinks Malaysia Car is now matching the japanese car haha |
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QUOTE(Yukieliow @ Aug 16 2013, 11:51 AM) Honda city is going down by giving 10K discount currently.And Jazz too.So Vios and Honda remains 70K + Wow..even Honda Malaysia acknowledge Suprima now. I am honoured beyond ordinary. Honda fans should be glad that Preve forcefully put Honda Malaysia in a butt hurt situation to discount 10k. Sure long report already written to Honda Japan to get the approval. Yeay! If Suprima is price this range it will be a big lol! But we always have patriotik car buyer who thinks Malaysia Car is now matching the japanese car haha |
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QUOTE(Yukieliow @ Aug 16 2013, 11:51 AM) Honda city is going down by giving 10K discount currently.And Jazz too.So Vios and Honda remains 70K + Its not about patriotic or what, new trend of car buyers now tend to choose more value for money cars. Safety features and gadgets really attract new generations car buyers. Honda and toyota (malaysia distributor not global) still live in their own fantasy, same with their fans with old mindsets If Suprima is price this range it will be a big lol! But we always have patriotik car buyer who thinks Malaysia Car is now matching the japanese car haha |
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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Aug 16 2013, 12:07 PM) Its not about patriotic or what, new trend of car buyers now tend to choose more value for money cars. Safety features and gadgets really attract new generations car buyers. Honda and toyota (malaysia distributor not global) still live in their own fantasy, same with their fans with old mindsets this… sounds like buying a iphone 5 vs Galaxy S4Iphone (toyota) premium product… expensve… RV high S4 (proton) cheaper.. Has tons of specs - RV low Still… many ppl prefer Iphone … |
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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Aug 16 2013, 12:07 PM) Its not about patriotic or what, new trend of car buyers now tend to choose more value for money cars. Safety features and gadgets really attract new generations car buyers. Honda and toyota (malaysia distributor not global) still live in their own fantasy, same with their fans with old mindsets Lots of youngsters bought Vios instead of Forte. |
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RM70,000.00 car price
3-4% Interest RM800-RM900 monthly Bank Negara already reduce the loan period to 7 years max. Very cheap proton. |
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 16 2013, 11:39 AM) Only if u believed on looser comments there, Vios would turn out to be another great success for UMW for sure, with Cerato/Elantra going to 100K price tag, Vios have no competitors in this price bracket. There will still be many die hard fans out there insist the old engine with 4 speed gearbox in new vios is still better than others such as comparing to 6 speed. So camry 2.0 with 4 speed should be better than 6 speed camry 2.5 in their mindset if follow thier logic... This post has been edited by eric8188: Aug 16 2013, 02:47 PM |
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i notice something close to right back light.. what it is?
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QUOTE(caesarx @ Aug 16 2013, 02:23 PM) I think most of the car name does not come with the name 'hatchback' Couldn've just named in "Preve S" or something.But Proton likes to end their car name with 'a' QUOTE(siegwarhiet @ Aug 16 2013, 02:24 PM) He is not incorrect. Vios is still the best selling non-national car, though I dunno how many of those buyers are youngsters. |
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QUOTE(eric8188 @ Aug 16 2013, 02:46 PM) There will still be many die hard fans out there insist the old engine with 4 speed gearbox in new vios is still better than others such as comparing to 6 speed. So camry 2.0 with 4 speed should be better than 6 speed camry 2.5 in their mindset if follow thier logic... Better than unrefined korean engine & gb, most who had try out comments korean engine & gb unrefined & doesn't feel like the hp as claimed on paper.Nothing wrong with 4 speed for 1.5 ltr engine, even KIA Rio uses 4 speed. There r also some who comments Elantra doesn't have enough torque for the 6 speed box which cause it constantly down shift aka hunting for gear. Same like Samsung S4 over hype octacore now no choice but to revert to Snapdragon quad core, due tp heating problem with their exynos. More doesn't always mean better. |
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Car Price : RM80K
10% DP : RM8k even with an optimistic int. rate at 2.5% (highly unlikely for national cars) with a restricted loan tenure of 7 years, monthly repayment will fall down to RM1007. Quite a steep amount to pay a month for a local car. |
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80K? Damm so expensive.
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You can watch live telecast launching tomorow http://proton.com/livetelecast/
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Aug 16 2013, 03:22 PM) Better than unrefined korean engine & gb, most who had try out comments korean engine & gb unrefined & doesn't feel like the hp as claimed on paper. You sounding more like the busy Jay.Nothing wrong with 4 speed for 1.5 ltr engine, even KIA Rio uses 4 speed. There r also some who comments Elantra doesn't have enough torque for the 6 speed box which cause it constantly down shift aka hunting for gear. Same like Samsung S4 over hype octacore now no choice but to revert to Snapdragon quad core, due tp heating problem with their exynos. More doesn't always mean better. |
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outlook - not to bad
from the front - looks plain jane back - looks impressive interior - look plastic.. hope it goes well with proton. ls make malaysian proud with this new roducts, dont screw malaysian anymore, you have done that for the past upteen years roton.. do something good for yourself. |
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QUOTE(highwaytuner @ Aug 16 2013, 06:06 PM) Just a mirror image of those P1 & Toyota basher. Let them see how they looks like in return. I would not expect ur answer if I joined in the P1 & Toyota basher club would I ?? This post has been edited by jolokia: Aug 16 2013, 06:58 PM |
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I really looking into tomorrow launch of this car. Looking at Toyota have to release their pricing just one day before this car is launch, it make me feel that it was really good car this time.
Hope that your interior is way better then preve. Then you will be my next car. |
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QUOTE(MSS @ Aug 16 2013, 07:44 PM) Blame Malaysian. Malaysian generally didn't put safety features as their main consideration when buying the car.If not, people here are not too dumb to buy Dugong kosong instead of many more safer car in market. People only talk about safety when it related with Proton but deep in their heart, they don't give any single shit about number of airbag, abs ebd features etc. |
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QUOTE(-cmi- @ Aug 16 2013, 11:15 PM) Blame Malaysian. Malaysian generally didn't put safety features as their main consideration when buying the car. See newspaper got many accident and the car all hancur and worst is the car is branded model like H & T.If not, people here are not too dumb to buy Dugong kosong instead of many more safer car in market. People only talk about safety when it related with Proton but deep in their heart, they don't give any single shit about number of airbag, abs ebd features etc. My friend saw first hand on the H brand a few years ago. The car broke in half. He swore he will never buy that brand. |
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QUOTE(lkyoong @ Aug 16 2013, 11:32 PM) See newspaper got many accident and the car all hancur and worst is the car is branded model like H & T. Even Lamborghini breaks in half. It is not just our cars. It is our driving also.My friend saw first hand on the H brand a few years ago. The car broke in half. He swore he will never buy that brand. |
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QUOTE(lkyoong @ Aug 16 2013, 11:32 PM) See newspaper got many accident and the car all hancur and worst is the car is branded model like H & T. if u do head on collision at 100km/h the car hancur also...My friend saw first hand on the H brand a few years ago. The car broke in half. He swore he will never buy that brand. if cannot speed, don't speed. |
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Looking good. Boot space is bigger than my Saga BLM. But the dashboard looks cheap. Guess it fit the price.
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Toyota Vios price is more joke than this car.
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Aug 17 2013, 11:23 AM) why not...they're all CKD afterallfor CKD, if u ask me..it is abit expensive but considering the spec you're gonna get i dn't think its expensive already i would recommend u to get any car, except toyota car especially vios...that is the perfect example of OVERPRICED |
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Joke of the year is Cerato 1.6 selling at Forte 2.0 price & the are IDIOT who actually pay for it, ...lol....
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Aug 17 2013, 12:44 PM) How bout 242 NM of torque, 165 HP? Just install RaceChip.http://www.racechip.com.my/Image/UserImage...yno%20chart.jpg Problem is, the CVT can only handle 215 NM of torque. The engine is OK, but the gearbox is not. http://www.punchpowertrain.com/en/products/cvt/vt3 That's why I think there will be a 6-Speed manual GTi version in the future. |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 17 2013, 12:58 PM) An R3 version perhaps. Unfortunately, so far in Proton's lineup, only the Neo receives any love from R3. Neo is hatchback as is Suprima. I think Suprima has better chance of getting R3 treatment compared to Preve.Besides, Suprima is a 5-star ANCAP rated, which I don't think Neo is. |
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Manual suprima s has been spotted few times. But that car does not make it into the launch event.
Latest rumors saying that the manual version is for export only, and been given to the R3 deparment. |
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Good guy proton, create a terrible match between the audio head unit so that you will not have any hard feelings when you swap it out later.
But seriously, the design(probably the way the colours do not flow) of the center dash just does not look so nice although I have to say the steering wheel look really good. |
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![]() Initial impression, just went for a short drive. Pickup, noticeable smoother. Almost no vibration, very much refined. No necessary of Engine Mounting DIY mod. Engine and gearbox noise, noticeable quieter. Perhaps with the 17" and low profile tyre, I actually feel the car more stable on the road than my Preve. Handling? Not too sure, not much road to try. I doubt it will be better than my Preve About the Android player, I dun see any "manage apps" in setting. So I doubt there is an option to sideload any apps into it, I might be wrong. |
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Aug 17 2013, 01:52 PM) ![]() Initial impression, just went for a short drive. Pickup, noticeable smoother. Almost no vibration, very much refined. No necessary of Engine Mounting DIY mod. Engine and gearbox noise, noticeable quieter. Perhaps with the 17" and low profile tyre, I actually feel the car more stable on the road than my Preve. Handling? Not too sure, not much road to try. I doubt it will be better than my Preve About the Android player, I dun see any "manage apps" in setting. So I doubt there is an option to sideload any apps into it, I might be wrong. Also, how is the leather trim on the Premium version you test drove? This post has been edited by mystvearn: Aug 17 2013, 02:07 PM |
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Just test driven
Overall I am satisfied with the car. The sound system is great. The car can accelerate and decelerate well too. The interior is not bad. Leather seats is really comfortable. The auto light works Last but not least nvh is still acceptable. Overall I give it 7/10 |
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Actually the dull silver tone on the dashboard as we saw in the picture b4 is very much better in real life..not bad..the HU can surf the net,open utube..that HU also works without starting up the engine..and it uses lokatoo also for gps if not mistaken..
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I can kinda understand the Korean marquees being ambitious in their pricing of their new cars. But Proton, really?? Are you serious? Proton???
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 17 2013, 02:07 PM) Can put sim card in it? So what is the point of Android, if cannot update maps. I thought proton say, "no need to update map" in the brochure. ada wifi... tested already, can browse the web....Also, how is the leather trim on the Premium version you test drove? but proton so kedekot, tak bagi me test drive... puiii |
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Proton is Potong , a national car company subsidized by Government and monopoly ONLY in Malaysia market and at the end potong face loss in revenue every year ,thats why call Potong .
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Malaysians very weird.
Japanese car 2 airbags, 4-star ASEAN NCAP, no ESC/VSC, jurassic-era 1.5l 4AT drivetrain.....OTR price over RM90k, SO CHEAP!! Proton car 6 airbags, 5-star ANCAP, with ESC/VSC, 1.6l turbo CVT drivetrain, C-SEGMENT......OTR price less than RM80k.....PROTON??? SERIOUSLY PROTON?? Seriously, go buy a Vios and leave this planet. |
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QUOTE(pawnx @ Aug 17 2013, 03:32 PM) ada wifi... tested already, can browse the web.... Ada wifi. This is good. Time jam at KL, can check email, put status update, play candy crush but proton so kedekot, tak bagi me test drive... puiii From paultan: http://s5.paultan.org/image/2013/08/proton...ima-android.jpg http://s5.paultan.org/image/2013/08/proton...ooklet-0006.jpg So you put the sim card next to the "connectivity" part is it? Android is skin version, not stock version. I have no idea which version they use also. Second picture: Side airbag, from front to back? |
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 17 2013, 04:17 PM) Ada wifi. This is good. Time jam at KL, can check email, put status update, play candy crush tak check pulak slot sim card, tadi pergi setting, connect to wifi dealer shop...From paultan: http://s5.paultan.org/image/2013/08/proton...ima-android.jpg http://s5.paultan.org/image/2013/08/proton...ooklet-0006.jpg So you put the sim card next to the "connectivity" part is it? Android is skin version, not stock version. I have no idea which version they use also. Second picture: Side airbag, from front to back? maybe kena guna portable hotspot to connect... |
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I saw they come with YES 4G. Probably only wifi. Maybe with a lil bit of mod can swap other 7inch tablet inside?
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 17 2013, 04:20 PM) ThanksQUOTE(pawnx @ Aug 17 2013, 04:33 PM) tak check pulak slot sim card, tadi pergi setting, connect to wifi dealer shop... Sempat nanti check.maybe kena guna portable hotspot to connect... Nak tau: Android ni perlu sim card baru ke tak? Boleh install apps sendiri ke tak? Kalau dah ada Android HU yang connect ke internet (3G), kenapa dia bagi yes 3G wifi jugak? Ke Android HU ni wifi unit, tether ke yes 3g or phone untuk dapat data connectivity? Rasa tunggu orang reda sikit baru gi test drive |
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 17 2013, 04:38 PM) Thanks lol, nak tunggu orang reda sikit buat apa, tak ramai pun orang...Sempat nanti check. Nak tau: Android ni perlu sim card baru ke tak? Boleh install apps sendiri ke tak? Kalau dah ada Android HU yang connect ke internet (3G), kenapa dia bagi yes 3G wifi jugak? Ke Android HU ni wifi unit, tether ke yes 3g or phone untuk dapat data connectivity? Rasa tunggu orang reda sikit baru gi test drive bukan launch perodua brand haha.. |
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 17 2013, 12:24 PM) why not...they're all CKD afterall vios J...especially for CKD, if u ask me..it is abit expensive but considering the spec you're gonna get i dn't think its expensive already i would recommend u to get any car, except toyota car especially vios...that is the perfect example of OVERPRICED This post has been edited by Are_NeeF: Aug 17 2013, 05:19 PM |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 17 2013, 04:07 PM) Malaysians very weird. Good point .. The spec with that price it cheap . Happen to me today show to old uncle new suprima s he look At the price than say expensive I say spec is good tsc + 6 airbag . He say better buy Vios with that price no need airbag cause old car also no airbag less problem . I told him old times no need lock house now why u lock ur house.Japanese car 2 airbags, 4-star ASEAN NCAP, no ESC/VSC, jurassic-era 1.5l 4AT drivetrain.....OTR price over RM90k, SO CHEAP!! Proton car 6 airbags, 5-star ANCAP, with ESC/VSC, 1.6l turbo CVT drivetrain, C-SEGMENT......OTR price less than RM80k.....PROTON??? SERIOUSLY PROTON?? Seriously, go buy a Vios and leave this planet. |
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QUOTE(keanutan @ Aug 17 2013, 05:25 PM) Good point .. The spec with that price it cheap . Happen to me today show to old uncle new suprima s he look At the price than say expensive I say spec is good tsc + 6 airbag . He say better buy Vios with that price no need airbag cause old car also no airbag less problem . I told him old times no need lock house now why u lock ur house. uncle i understand but i'm sad our youngster also dn't know how to compare |
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 17 2013, 05:31 PM) Bcos Vios to them is JDM car only certain people can buy it ? To them no matter how good P1 & P2 come out with better spec and good car still cannot compare to mighty Vios . They are proud to say my Vios got 2 airbag + abs 90K le |
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In this time and age, on the FnF forums, still got people say "drive slowly no need ESC/ABS/airbags". The most EPIC posts I've read is along the line of "too many airbags will kill you".
What hope do we have for the general public who don't frequent car communities/forums? Proton 6 airbags? B!tch pls, Imma gonna buy a dugong/almari, JDM yo! This post has been edited by dares: Aug 17 2013, 05:41 PM |
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 17 2013, 02:07 PM) Can put sim card in it? So what is the point of Android, if cannot update maps. I thought proton say, "no need to update map" in the brochure. Just came back from viewing the car at showroom. Leather trim is greyish and looks of poor quality. Fitting not so good and I worry for the wear and tear of the leather in the years to come. Lol.Also, how is the leather trim on the Premium version you test drove? Alot of hard plastics used especially for dash and car doors. They ruin the car for me in terms of the materials used. Design was ok, but the quality of the materials used is questionable. ![]() |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 17 2013, 04:07 PM) Malaysians very weird. I don't think this is weird. Many Malaysian gone through the stage where they owned wira, iswara, perdana and waja. Bring car to service centre and always bumped with tidak apa attitude. Some consumers really squeezed their hard earn money to bought those car. End of the day, is likes everything downed to drain. Proton should really learn from korean how they penetrate world market. To me this won't happen because gormen will never implement open policy for this coming 5yrs. Japanese car 2 airbags, 4-star ASEAN NCAP, no ESC/VSC, jurassic-era 1.5l 4AT drivetrain.....OTR price over RM90k, SO CHEAP!! Proton car 6 airbags, 5-star ANCAP, with ESC/VSC, 1.6l turbo CVT drivetrain, C-SEGMENT......OTR price less than RM80k.....PROTON??? SERIOUSLY PROTON?? Seriously, go buy a Vios and leave this planet. |
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QUOTE(SithBuster @ Aug 17 2013, 06:09 PM) Just came back from viewing the car at showroom. Leather trim is greyish and looks of poor quality. Fitting not so good and I worry for the wear and tear of the leather in the years to come. Lol. Materials use as compare to what car? Vios? City?Alot of hard plastics used especially for dash and car doors. They ruin the car for me in terms of the materials used. Design was ok, but the quality of the materials used is questionable. ![]() |
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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Aug 17 2013, 02:46 PM) Just test driven I didnt test drive it already feel the car is nice haha... just look see look see... actual car nicer than those photos we seen online. Especially the rear design.Overall I am satisfied with the car. The sound system is great. The car can accelerate and decelerate well too. The interior is not bad. Leather seats is really comfortable. The auto light works Last but not least nvh is still acceptable. Overall I give it 7/10 QUOTE(dares @ Aug 17 2013, 05:41 PM) In this time and age, on the FnF forums, still got people say "drive slowly no need ESC/ABS/airbags". The most EPIC posts I've read is along the line of "too many airbags will kill you". It is not airbag alone that kills us haha... it is the problem lack of brake system (traction control, esc, abs,) will kill us directly lolx.. and one more thing... we know Malaysian driver la... even u drive slow slow sometime other ppl go and bang u too... they didnt realize how important is the safety. It is like buying an insurance give u a protection... but milo tin car cannot haha... What hope do we have for the general public who don't frequent car communities/forums? Proton 6 airbags? B!tch pls, Imma gonna buy a dugong/almari, JDM yo! |
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QUOTE(keanutan @ Aug 17 2013, 05:25 PM) Good point .. The spec with that price it cheap . Happen to me today show to old uncle new suprima s he look At the price than say expensive I say spec is good tsc + 6 airbag . He say better buy Vios with that price no need airbag cause old car also no airbag less problem . I told him old times no need lock house now why u lock ur house. Say to uncle, old days, people ride car, no seatbelt, no roof, no wiper, no horn, no radio. Need to get out of car, go to front and turn rachet to start car QUOTE(munky @ Aug 17 2013, 05:50 PM) For those who are asking about apps for the android radio: I see. I don't want to root it, just want to install drive related apps. Google maps/navigation, waze. Those kind of things. Cannot depend on just one map for all the source. Also cannot only use waze alone without google navi and vice versa. Also, if you root the radio unit, you loose the function to control other stuff on the car...if it is controlled by the HU unit. I guess the reverse camera comes out there. Also audio controls come out there. I think after 1 year, someone will root it, provide the android apk, then provide stock with ability to install apps Android for automotive cannot be installed with apps or uninstall apps by the user unless u root it. This is because OEMs will be responsible in case of accidents caused by the apps u install. So they lock it. Paultan updated blog: http://paultan.org/2013/08/17/proton-supri...hback-launched/ QUOTE The system offers Wi-Fi connectivity off a mobile phone or portable hotspot, allowing Internet on the go, though for safety reasons the DVD player and Wi-Fi-based browsing can only be accessed when the handbrake is engaged. The GPS software installed is TM’s Lokatoo, with the unit getting GPS reception from the bee sting antenna on the roof of the car. Speaking about hacking: We were told the player runs on a pre-ICS version of Android, which could either mean Honeycomb if the OS is a tablet version, or Gingerbread if it’s the phone version. We were told the system is modified ‘locked down’ version with no ability to add your own apps, though we expect geeks could possibly figure out how to root the device. QUOTE(SithBuster @ Aug 17 2013, 06:09 PM) Just came back from viewing the car at showroom. Leather trim is greyish and looks of poor quality. Fitting not so good and I worry for the wear and tear of the leather in the years to come. Lol. Hard plastic, then should be the same with preve right? I'm guessing the leather is taken from a current proton car. Need to see to determine which one.Alot of hard plastics used especially for dash and car doors. They ruin the car for me in terms of the materials used. Design was ok, but the quality of the materials used is questionable. ![]() This post has been edited by mystvearn: Aug 17 2013, 06:45 PM |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 17 2013, 04:07 PM) Malaysians very weird. Oh common mr proton salesman..Japanese car 2 airbags, 4-star ASEAN NCAP, no ESC/VSC, jurassic-era 1.5l 4AT drivetrain.....OTR price over RM90k, SO CHEAP!! Proton car 6 airbags, 5-star ANCAP, with ESC/VSC, 1.6l turbo CVT drivetrain, C-SEGMENT......OTR price less than RM80k.....PROTON??? SERIOUSLY PROTON?? Seriously, go buy a Vios and leave this planet. 80k proton shd have the following 1. Hand stitch leather dashboard 2. 7 airbags 3. Premium audio system 4. 2.0 twincharge 5. Dsg gearbox 6. keyless opetaration 7. Power seats 8. Hybrid system. |
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Aug 17 2013, 07:00 PM) Oh common mr proton salesman.. Oh ya.. Please .. Revise your price tag! 80k I rather buy a vios80k proton shd have the following 1. Hand stitch leather dashboard 2. 7 airbags 3. Premium audio system 4. 2.0 twincharge 5. Dsg gearbox 6. keyless opetaration 7. Power seats 8. Hybrid system. |
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Aug 17 2013, 07:00 PM) Oh common mr proton salesman.. Then people will complain too advanced, won't be reliable.80k proton shd have the following 1. Hand stitch leather dashboard 2. 7 airbags 3. Premium audio system 4. 2.0 twincharge 5. Dsg gearbox 6. keyless opetaration 7. Power seats 8. Hybrid system. Airbags will indeed kill you if you don't wear seatbelts. I think the price is quite good considering what you get. But that stupid name... I don't want to think of diapers every time I get into my car. Also that HU really looks aftermarket. I prefer those found in Ford and VW vehicles, with the buttons on the side and being able to control more of the car. Of course my favorite HU is the Tesla one... |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 17 2013, 06:24 PM) Yeah, its not that solid, feels very cheap. And when you slam the door shut, u can feel the quality until where already LOL. The overall design is good, but the minor details kills the car.QUOTE(mystvearn @ Aug 17 2013, 06:39 PM) Say to uncle, old days, people ride car, no seatbelt, no roof, no wiper, no horn, no radio. Need to get out of car, go to front and turn rachet to start car Should be. The leather feel, color and fitting sucks. Definitely won't look good after several years of wear and tear.I see. I don't want to root it, just want to install drive related apps. Google maps/navigation, waze. Those kind of things. Cannot depend on just one map for all the source. Also cannot only use waze alone without google navi and vice versa. Also, if you root the radio unit, you loose the function to control other stuff on the car...if it is controlled by the HU unit. I guess the reverse camera comes out there. Also audio controls come out there. I think after 1 year, someone will root it, provide the android apk, then provide stock with ability to install apps Paultan updated blog: http://paultan.org/2013/08/17/proton-supri...hback-launched/ Speaking about hacking: Hard plastic, then should be the same with preve right? I'm guessing the leather is taken from a current proton car. Need to see to determine which one. |
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QUOTE(SithBuster @ Aug 17 2013, 07:26 PM) Yeah, its not that solid, feels very cheap. And when you slam the door shut, u can feel the quality until where already LOL. The overall design is good, but the minor details kills the car. LOL the epic door test again. Should be. The leather feel, color and fitting sucks. Definitely won't look good after several years of wear and tear. NCAP should include door close test to determine the car is solid or not. |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 17 2013, 07:32 PM) LOL the epic door test again. I did try to close the door, need like 3 times to close..even the third times also I think not rapat yet..scared to slam harder later people will stare at me..haha..NCAP should include door close test to determine the car is solid or not. |
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QUOTE(yeezai @ Aug 17 2013, 07:38 PM) While you go all "meh" because it was only ANCAP 5-starsQUOTE The recently-released Range Rover Evoque and Mini Countryman luxury SUVs both earn five-star ratings according to EuroNCAP - but ANCAP only awarded both cars four stars each, despite using data from the same European tests. SosNot to say EuroNCAP ratings is inferior, but ANCAP is just as stringent as EuroNCAP when it comes to passenger safety. QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:09 PM) Yep. I hated the rear end when the first spyshots were leaked. Now it kind looks better to me....dunno why This post has been edited by dares: Aug 17 2013, 08:18 PM |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 17 2013, 08:15 PM) While you go all "meh" because it was only ANCAP 5-stars It is just like girl on photo... looks not so pretty.. but when u meet her face to face... wah... damn pretty oo haha Sos Not to say EuroNCAP ratings is inferior, but ANCAP is just as stringent as EuroNCAP when it comes to passenger safety. Yep. I hated the rear end when the first spyshots were leaked. Now it kind looks better to me....dunno why QUOTE(SithBuster @ Aug 17 2013, 08:19 PM) Is this showroom at Giant bukit tinggi there? I was there just now haha |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 17 2013, 07:32 PM) LOL the epic door test again. Its all about first impression, even professional reviewers like caradvice still sometimes comment about the door closing sound. NCAP should include door close test to determine the car is solid or not. It doesn't matter if the interior is covered with Europeans royal first born baby butt hide if it is brittle like a tuile. All the sensation like door closing sound, good feeling material, tight panel gap and comfortable cushioning all contribute to perceive quality even before turning on the engine |
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QUOTE(keanutan @ Aug 17 2013, 05:37 PM) Bcos Vios to them is JDM car only certain people can buy it ? To them no matter how good P1 & P2 come out with better spec and good car still cannot compare to mighty Vios . They are proud to say my Vios got 2 airbag + abs 90K le Don't you forget VIOS is priced that way becos of the MIGHTY TAX. Take away the tax u think at the price we cannot get all those accessories? Proton is homegrown mate. And just one more thing, how come Proton is selling its cars cheapers overseas???? |
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Why la put a turbo badge on it? Why not CFE?
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 08:32 PM) Don't you forget VIOS is priced that way becos of the MIGHTY TAX. Take away the tax u think at the price we cannot get all those accessories? Proton is homegrown mate. And just one more thing, how come Proton is selling its cars cheapers overseas???? because proton also kena tax in malaysia. if take away tax the price of proton also cheaper here, not just foreign made car will be cheaper. |
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 08:32 PM) Don't you forget VIOS is priced that way becos of the MIGHTY TAX. Take away the tax u think at the price we cannot get all those accessories? Proton is homegrown mate. And just one more thing, how come Proton is selling its cars cheapers overseas???? ok.. then compare to oversea... Thailand's vios/city"City the lowest spec in thai cost oso bout rm58k(2 airbag abs with ebd)…the most spec cost bout rm75k(2 airbag of coz + abs with ebd+ vsa)..thai preve the cheapest bout rm65k( 2 airbag similar spec to vios/city. Abs with ebd).,.the highest rm79k(6 airbag+abs with ebd+tc+esp)..which 1 is overprice vs spec?" Vios is made of Thai.. Proton is made of bolehland... so import to there sure is pricey... but still can offer better specs than Thai vios ahhaa... Suprima S tv advertisement QUOTE(winkiedilwy @ Aug 17 2013, 08:39 PM) Because turbo everyone know it... CFE??? apa tu??? same goes to Lotus handling badge over there... Lotus... wah sport car leh... haha This post has been edited by kevintth: Aug 17 2013, 08:42 PM |
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 08:32 PM) Don't you forget VIOS is priced that way becos of the MIGHTY TAX. Take away the tax u think at the price we cannot get all those accessories? Proton is homegrown mate. And just one more thing, how come Proton is selling its cars cheapers overseas???? Proton is subjected to the same tax, which is also why it is sold overseas cheaper.This post has been edited by dares: Aug 17 2013, 08:44 PM |
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 08:32 PM) Don't you forget VIOS is priced that way becos of the MIGHTY TAX. Take away the tax u think at the price we cannot get all those accessories? Proton is homegrown mate. And just one more thing, how come Proton is selling its cars cheapers overseas???? with 79k (fully loaded safety feature) can tapaw 2.0 camry --> priceless...200kmh all along guthrie highway (from bukit jelutung till the next toll) no problem at all..... This post has been edited by lepet: Aug 17 2013, 08:57 PM |
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 17 2013, 08:24 PM) It is just like girl on photo... looks not so pretty.. but when u meet her face to face... wah... damn pretty oo haha Yep, its the Giant one haha. I was there too around 4 something. You were there with? Is this showroom at Giant bukit tinggi there? I was there just now haha QUOTE(SoZa @ Aug 17 2013, 08:29 PM) Its all about first impression, even professional reviewers like caradvice still sometimes comment about the door closing sound. You feel me It doesn't matter if the interior is covered with Europeans royal first born baby butt hide if it is brittle like a tuile. All the sensation like door closing sound, good feeling material, tight panel gap and comfortable cushioning all contribute to perceive quality even before turning on the engine QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 17 2013, 08:41 PM) ok.. then compare to oversea... Thailand's vios/city The TVC White color Suprima number plate doesn't make sense LOL. Cos my '93 Saga plate is BDM "City the lowest spec in thai cost oso bout rm58k(2 airbag abs with ebd)…the most spec cost bout rm75k(2 airbag of coz + abs with ebd+ vsa)..thai preve the cheapest bout rm65k( 2 airbag similar spec to vios/city. Abs with ebd).,.the highest rm79k(6 airbag+abs with ebd+tc+esp)..which 1 is overprice vs spec?" Vios is made of Thai.. Proton is made of bolehland... so import to there sure is pricey... but still can offer better specs than Thai vios ahhaa... Suprima S tv advertisement Because turbo everyone know it... CFE??? apa tu??? same goes to Lotus handling badge over there... Lotus... wah sport car leh... haha |
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 08:53 PM) http://www.livelifedrive.com/malaysia/news...laysia---part-1 Ford Fiesta Sedan. CBU from Thai, taxed even more than the Vios. The Fiesta is safer, has more modern drivetrain technology, more gadgets, better handling. The only downside is a smaller rear seat space. RM84k.Imported cars are generally priced higher because of our national cars. Read it. So don't come and tell me VIOS is expensive because of the tax. It is an overpriced piece of sh!t, period. If I wanna buy a CKD jap car, I'd take a Honda City or a CKD Honda Jazz anyday over that dugong crap. This post has been edited by dares: Aug 17 2013, 09:08 PM |
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QUOTE(SithBuster @ Aug 17 2013, 08:58 PM) Yep, its the Giant one haha. I was there too around 4 something. You were there with? I was alone went there after gym.. too excited to see it haha... to my surprise its rear is good looking than those photos.... You feel me The TVC White color Suprima number plate doesn't make sense LOL. Cos my '93 Saga plate is BDM if view it from this angle haha » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « and i notice the keyhole gone already unlike Preve's rear. This post has been edited by kevintth: Aug 17 2013, 09:11 PM |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 17 2013, 09:08 PM) Ford Fiesta Sedan. CBU from Thai, taxed even more than the Vios. The Fiesta is safer, has more modern drivetrain technology, more gadgets, better handling. The only downside is a smaller rear seat space. RM84k. So don't come and tell me VIOS is expensive because of the tax. It is an overpriced piece of sh!t, period. If I wanna buy a CKD jap car, I'd take a Honda City or a CKD Honda Jazz anyday over that dugong crap. |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 17 2013, 09:08 PM) Ford Fiesta Sedan. CBU from Thai, taxed even more than the Vios. The Fiesta is safer, has more modern drivetrain technology, more gadgets, better handling. The only downside is a smaller rear seat space. RM84k. No vested interest in Vios in whatever way. I would have bought CKD Honda Jazz myself given the price. I am not buying any new car anytime soon. Am driving a family 16 years old Toyota second handed junk at the moment. Just saying the cars here are priced higher becos of our national cars that's all. I am not willing to buy new car to feed the cronies. Just my two centsSo don't come and tell me VIOS is expensive because of the tax. It is an overpriced piece of sh!t, period. If I wanna buy a CKD jap car, I'd take a Honda City or a CKD Honda Jazz anyday over that dugong crap. |
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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 17 2013, 09:10 PM) I was alone went there after gym.. too excited to see it haha... to my surprise its rear is good looking than those photos.... Haha me too. Can't wait to see the real thing ma. The rear is really a surprise for me too, considering how bland it first looked from the pics. Now it just looked sexy. But the materials cheap la. I inspected the seats (covered by plastic wrappings) and upon closer look discover the leather not nicely fit in some tiny spots la. Like wrinkled and loosely fitted if view it from this angle haha » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « and i notice the keyhole gone already unlike Preve's rear. |
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 08:53 PM) http://www.livelifedrive.com/malaysia/news...laysia---part-1 no connection with national carImported cars are generally priced higher because of our national cars. Read it. national car also have to pay tax same as foreign car other foreign car also subject to the same tax but why they can offer us so much more than what toyota offered us right now for the tax, in short we are all paying for the price of 2 car for 1 car...including proton and perodua This post has been edited by MR_alien: Aug 17 2013, 09:25 PM |
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 17 2013, 09:24 PM) no connection with national car If you care to read it properly, you will know that there is such a thing called subsidies/rebates which is enjoyed by our national carmakers for their so called R&D work. Essentially they pay less excise duty. Furthermore, non-national carmakers priced their cars higher in Malaysia market to garner the premium feel which adds to the relatively higher prices.national car also have to pay tax same as foreign car other foreign car also subject to the same tax but why they can offer us so much more than what toyota offered us right now This post has been edited by giovanni: Aug 17 2013, 09:32 PM |
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 09:21 PM) No vested interest in Vios in whatever way. I would have bought CKD Honda Jazz myself given the price. I am not buying any new car anytime soon. Am driving a family 16 years old Toyota second handed junk at the moment. Just saying the cars here are priced higher becos of our national cars that's all. I am not willing to buy new car to feed the cronies. Just my two cents dude... go and support japan brand who are rape your grandmother during WW2... nice.. |
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 09:31 PM) If you care to read it properly, you will know that there is such a thing called subsidies/rebates which is enjoyed by our national carmakers for their so called R&D work. Essentially they pay less excise duty. Furthermore, non-national carmakers priced their cars higher in Malaysia market to garner the premium feel which adds to the relatively higher prices. No such thing as rebates through RnD. There is such thing as RnD grant been given to proton. ~The grant is 200million per year.The rebates the article referring to is before 2005, where proton/perodua did get tax rebate 50% in excise duty. Because of this, our goverment have been punish due to infringement of AFTA. Need to pay fine to thai/indo. After 2005, proton no longer receive any tax rebate. In terms of excise rate, proton get the lowest rate due to engine is locally produce. The lowest rate is 65% if im not mistaken. Other car markers is 75% for 1.6liter engine. If CKD the rate is as close as Proton. Nissan Almera is high on local content, that is why it is cheap. If you saying RnD grant is protectionsm, it is a normal practice around the world. RnD grant is given to any local company that do extensive RnD. Not only Proton. And 200 million is not a lot. Ford, holden get more RnD grant from AU government. In terms of tax, Proton does not have any advantage, in fact disadvantage. In langkawi, they do not enjoy the excise tax exemption because of custom act does not justify product originate from malaysia to have tax exemption. That is why Proton in langkawi is not that cheap. This post has been edited by ruffstuff: Aug 17 2013, 09:48 PM |
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QUOTE(SoZa @ Aug 17 2013, 09:42 PM) As a designer we always try achieve a perfect design but its only achievable by being minimalist. But for a mass market car manufacturer, being minimalist would make a niche product like Mazda MX-5 or Lotus cars Wow, you're a designer? Should help design Proton's car wey, they really know nuts about design |
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That is why Toyota can sell high priced car in Malaysia, and give their staff 12 months bonus. When asked why their car is expensive, they just point to Proton. And people believe it. Kena kencing semua. This post has been edited by sanadi: Aug 17 2013, 09:47 PM |
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QUOTE(SithBuster @ Aug 17 2013, 08:58 PM) Yep, its the Giant one haha. I was there too around 4 something. You were there with? ?? doesn't make sense??You feel me The TVC White color Suprima number plate doesn't make sense LOL. Cos my '93 Saga plate is BDM only the plate is old, the car is new.. I'm also using old number plate[beautiful number] with my new car.. |
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QUOTE(SithBuster @ Aug 17 2013, 09:46 PM) It is not about the design only. The designer and engineering team need to reach equilibrium level. Most of the time there is always problem at homologation.Maybe few more models, we can see the designer and engineering team can meet the equilibrium point. |
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QUOTE(kae7 @ Aug 17 2013, 09:50 PM) Honda is DRB also. That is why we can see Proton now price their car dah macam Honda. DRB punya pricing ada macam problem sikit. Tengok diorang price preve dkt AU, Thai dgn Indon. The price is not competitive at all for a showcase product to improve your brand image. If Proton punya image ok, no problem sell that price. |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 17 2013, 09:43 PM) No such thing as rebates through RnD. There is such thing as RnD grant been given to proton. ~The grant is 200million per year. Actually you just echoed what I said previously. If it's not clear enough, then should I say the grant is given as an R&D incentive which is essentially used to offset the tax. That is how proton can price its car at its current market prices (which is already not cheap).The rebates the article referring to is before 2005, where proton/perodua did get tax rebate 50% in excise duty. Because of this, our goverment have been punish due to infringement of AFTA. Need to pay fine to thai/indo. After 2005, proton no longer receive any tax rebate. In terms of excise rate, proton get the lowest rating due to engine is locally produce. The lowest rate is 65% if im not mistaken. Other car markers is 75% for 1.6liter engine. If CKD the rating is as close as Proton. Nissan Almera is high on local content, that is why it is cheap. If you saying RnD grant is protectionsm, it is a normal practice around the world. RnD grant is given to any local company that do extensive RnD. Not only Proton. And 200 million is not a lot. Ford, holden get more RnD grant from AU government. In terms of tax, Proton does not have any advantage, in fact disadvantage. In langkawi, they do not enjoy the excise tax exemption because of custom act does not justify product originate from malaysia to have tax exemption. That is why Proton in langkawi is not that cheap. This post has been edited by giovanni: Aug 17 2013, 10:00 PM |
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Bottom line, car price currently is controlled more by the car companies, not the taxes.
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QUOTE(sanadi @ Aug 17 2013, 09:47 PM) That is why Toyota can sell high priced car in Malaysia, and give their staff 12 months bonus. When asked why their car is expensive, they just point to Proton. And people believe it. Kena kencing semua. walauweyy.. 12 month bonus... selling car 50% less than produa... and get 12 month bonus???must be profit margin per car very high... |
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QUOTE(lepet @ Aug 17 2013, 09:58 PM) walauweyy.. 12 month bonus... selling car 50% less than produa... and get 12 month bonus??? yes, verymust be profit margin per car very high... because so much hardcore fans 2 airbags, even if they set the price at 100k, still will sell well thats why UMW SA have to thanks those "hardcore fans/blind fans" for their money |
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QUOTE(SithBuster @ Aug 17 2013, 09:46 PM) I don't know nuts about designing cars My only criticism about Azlan O. Is his obsession with rising belt line, it screw the whole car porpotion. If preve has lower boot it will look smarter. The rising belt line also cause preve has poor rear visibility like many preve user complaint. The rear windscreen look like a peep hole. Proton not providing rear view camera are not helping either Anyway from safety POV, bigger metal area means manufacturer can put more reinforcements for side impact protection |
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 09:54 PM) Actually you just echoed what I said previously. If it's not clear enough, then should I say the grant is given as an R&D incentive which is essentially used to offset the tax. That is how proton can priced its car at its current market prices (which is already not cheap). 200 million is not enough to develop a car from scratch. Perodua myvi cost 220million. That is rebagde. Not much RnD going on. But 220 million.Proton is much cost effective in developing car from scratch. Preve is 300 million. Suprima is 200 million. As i said, RnD grant is normal practice. In fact, if the goverment really sincer in protecting proton, they should give more to Proton. You should imagine how can proton sell at lower price if they do not have economies of scale. All parts for proton is costlier than Toyota. This is why Proton is not cheap, but they trying to make it cheap just for the sake of people asking 'national car price'. So, that is why get a cheap car at the expense of quality. |
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QUOTE(sanadi @ Aug 17 2013, 09:56 PM) Bottom line, car price currently is controlled more by the car companies, not the taxes. Actually it's the chicken and egg story again. You can't say it's not becos of the tax. You see, our gov imposed those taxes on all carmakers but smartly give the R&D incentive to our local carmakers to offset the said tax. It may look fair from one angle and unfair from another. If Toyota or Honda on Nissan or anyone can set the car price high, and still sell, they will. That is the value of a brand. Why sell at 60K when people will still buy the same product at 120K? Morever, why the high excise tax in the first place? So now the foreign carmakers have excuses to jack up their prices and with the tax imposed on them you don't need me to elaborate further |
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 17 2013, 09:59 PM) yes, very because so much hardcore fans 2 airbags, even if they set the price at 100k, still will sell well thats why UMW SA have to thanks those "hardcore fans/blind fans" for their money QUOTE(lepet @ Aug 17 2013, 10:03 PM) If you guys have the time, read this http://econsmalaysia.blogspot.com/2013/06/...me-down-if.htmlGot all the data directly from treasury department on how much excise tax government actually earned. You'll be surprise that the actual excise tax collected is not more than 10 percent than what is supposed to be. Profit margin is much higher than excise tax. |
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QUOTE(lepet @ Aug 17 2013, 10:03 PM) not sure, need to see the APbut should around 10-20k for that kind of spec in malaysia, vios is kind of equivalent to a saga...so go figure thats why i always say UMW is ripping us off not only charge us expensive, before it even reach here, they kinda will remove some of the feature as well |
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 10:05 PM) Actually it's the chicken and egg story again. You can't say it's not becos of the tax. You see, our gov imposed those taxes on all carmakers but smartly give the R&D incentive to our local carmakers to offset the said tax. It may look fair from one angle and unfair from another. and yet after the govt tax, still can give 12 month bonus???Morever, why the high excise tax in the first place? So now the foreign carmakers have excuses to jack up their prices and with the tax imposed on them you don't need me to elaborate further really does not make any sense... must be the profit margin very very high.. This post has been edited by lepet: Aug 17 2013, 10:11 PM |
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 17 2013, 10:07 PM) not sure, need to see the AP what i heard they remove fr n rear bumber beam...but should around 10-20k for that kind of spec in malaysia, vios is kind of equivalent to a saga...so go figure thats why i always say UMW is ripping us off not only charge us expensive, before it even reach here, they kinda will remove some of the feature as well |
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 10:05 PM) Morever, why the high excise tax in the first place? So now the foreign carmakers have excuses to jack up their prices and with the tax imposed on them you don't need me to elaborate further IINM, the intention was to encourage the growth of the local parts manufacturing industry.But sad to say, it is the crony-linked manufacturers that reap the benefits. |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 17 2013, 10:03 PM) 200 million is not enough to develop a car from scratch. Perodua myvi cost 220million. That is rebagde. Not much RnD going on. But 220 million. Yup. RnD grant for all truly malaysian owned company. Not only P1, but extend to other company and products. I always support. In fact many country do this. Proton is much cost effective in developing car from scratch. Preve is 300 million. Suprima is 200 million. As i said, RnD grant is normal practice. In fact, if the goverment really sincer in protecting proton, they should give more to Proton. You should imagine how can proton sell at lower price if they do not have economies of scale. All parts for proton is costlier than Toyota. This is why Proton is not cheap, but they trying to make it cheap just for the sake of people asking 'national car price'. So, that is why get a cheap car at the expense of quality. |
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Why you guys protecting tax? Proton fags are all kayap-rayap gaji 20k like to pay a lot of tax for a car.
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QUOTE(kae7 @ Aug 17 2013, 09:49 PM) ?? doesn't make sense?? Haha new car ma. so expect plates like W1A? Hoping too much lolonly the plate is old, the car is new.. I'm also using old number plate[beautiful number] with my new car.. QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 17 2013, 09:50 PM) It is not about the design only. The designer and engineering team need to reach equilibrium level. Most of the time there is always problem at homologation. Let's hope so Maybe few more models, we can see the designer and engineering team can meet the equilibrium point. QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 17 2013, 09:54 PM) Oh, thanks for the info. Didn't know that QUOTE(SoZa @ Aug 17 2013, 09:59 PM) I don't know nuts about designing cars Yeah, Proton's part seems like interchangeable across different models haha. So basic and dull. Luckily Suprima S now got reverse camera. Side impact curtain airbags for the new car: Check My only criticism about Azlan O. Is his obsession with rising belt line, it screw the whole car porpotion. If preve has lower boot it will look smarter. The rising belt line also cause preve has poor rear visibility like many preve user complaint. The rear windscreen look like a peep hole. Proton not providing rear view camera are not helping either Anyway from safety POV, bigger metal area means manufacturer can put more reinforcements for side impact protection |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 17 2013, 10:03 PM) 200 million is not enough to develop a car from scratch. Perodua myvi cost 220million. That is rebagde. Not much RnD going on. But 220 million. I understand where you are coming from. But they have been protected for far too long to not have achieved something they should have by today. If they have done well, they could have achieved the economic scale of production which would lower the manufacturing cost. Proton is much cost effective in developing car from scratch. Preve is 300 million. Suprima is 200 million. As i said, RnD grant is normal practice. In fact, if the goverment really sincer in protecting proton, they should give more to Proton. You should imagine how can proton sell at lower price if they do not have economies of scale. All parts for proton is costlier than Toyota. This is why Proton is not cheap, but they trying to make it cheap just for the sake of people asking 'national car price'. So, that is why get a cheap car at the expense of quality. I still could not get over the quality control issues plaguing their previous cars and the very public statement made by its director Quality too low, Savvy production stopped. (Kuala Lumpur 26 Jun) Proton announced that the company will stop producing Savvy, which has been in the market for almost 7 years, claiming that the compact car is tarnishing the company's image due to the extremely poor quality. Proton's Managing Director Dato' Seri Syed Zainal described Proton Waja 1.8L and Savvy 1.2L produced from the collaboration with Renault as a painful lesson. Launched in Jun 2005, Savvy is to take over the Tiara as Proton's new compact car model. Savvy's quality tarnishing company's image. Syed Zainal admits that Proton's car have quality problems, the decision to retire Savvy is because SAvvy's quality is tarnishing Proton's image. Syed Zainal told reporters when attending 2011 GLC Open Day that retiring Savvy does not mean the model is defective, Proton also will not recall all the Savvy that are sold. Savvy is using the Renault made D4F engine while Waja 1.8L is using F4P engine but owners of the vehicle has been complaining about the problems that had, today a participants inquire Syed Zainal about the complains, hoping that Proton pay attention to the issue. Customer complains are decreasing Syed Zainal pointed out that Proton is not a flawless company but the complains they received for the past 5 years has been decreasing. He stated that when some Malaysians criticize the quality of Proton cars, it is all based on their own personal impression and rumors, some of them never even drive a Proton before. He mentioned that Proton cannot be blamed for the problems with Proton cars because all the parts are supplied by suppliers. "Please do not put the blame on Proton, Proton makes 700 cars per day, that's 1 car every 98 seconds, we do not have the time to check on Proton parts." Earlier, Syed Zainal Abidin in his speech mentioned that Proton will emphasise on "Cheap selling price with cheap maintenance parts" principle to prevent having problems with expensive parts for cheap cars. He stated that proton has been planning to move the company's market to foreign country. The target is to increase Proton's foreign market share to 72% by 2016. Currently foreign and local market are equal. "UAE, India, China and Middle Eastern country is our targeted foreign market." Syed Zainal stated that Proton is facing a shortage of qualified personnels instead of planning and funding when moving to foreign market. Oriental Sauce Cannot find English/Malay version of this. |
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 10:17 PM) I understand where you are coming from. But they have been protected for far too long to not have achieved something they should have by today. If they have done well, they could have achieved the economic scale of production which would lower the manufacturing cost. The same press re upload new article to rephrase what DSZ said. NO ONE QUOTE on that. This article has been misquoted DSZ saying, and poorly written.I still could not get over the quality control issues plaguing their previous cars and the very public statement made by its director Quality too low, Savvy production stopped. (Kuala Lumpur 26 Jun) Proton announced that the company will stop producing Savvy, which has been in the market for almost 7 years, claiming that the compact car is tarnishing the company's image due to the extremely poor quality. Proton's Managing Director Dato' Seri Syed Zainal described Proton Waja 1.8L and Savvy 1.2L produced from the collaboration with Renault as a painful lesson. Launched in Jun 2005, Savvy is to take over the Tiara as Proton's new compact car model. Savvy's quality tarnishing company's image. Syed Zainal admits that Proton's car have quality problems, the decision to retire Savvy is because SAvvy's quality is tarnishing Proton's image. Syed Zainal told reporters when attending 2011 GLC Open Day that retiring Savvy does not mean the model is defective, Proton also will not recall all the Savvy that are sold. Savvy is using the Renault made D4F engine while Waja 1.8L is using F4P engine but owners of the vehicle has been complaining about the problems that had, today a participants inquire Syed Zainal about the complains, hoping that Proton pay attention to the issue. Customer complains are decreasing Syed Zainal pointed out that Proton is not a flawless company but the complains they received for the past 5 years has been decreasing. He stated that when some Malaysians criticize the quality of Proton cars, it is all based on their own personal impression and rumors, some of them never even drive a Proton before. He mentioned that Proton cannot be blamed for the problems with Proton cars because all the parts are supplied by suppliers. "Please do not put the blame on Proton, Proton makes 700 cars per day, that's 1 car every 98 seconds, we do not have the time to check on Proton parts." Earlier, Syed Zainal Abidin in his speech mentioned that Proton will emphasise on "Cheap selling price with cheap maintenance parts" principle to prevent having problems with expensive parts for cheap cars. He stated that proton has been planning to move the company's market to foreign country. The target is to increase Proton's foreign market share to 72% by 2016. Currently foreign and local market are equal. "UAE, India, China and Middle Eastern country is our targeted foreign market." Syed Zainal stated that Proton is facing a shortage of qualified personnels instead of planning and funding when moving to foreign market. Oriental Sauce Cannot find English/Malay version of this. Yes, proton did alot of mistake in the past. They screw up. And their partners also tak boleh harap. Mitsubishi do not want proton to have RnD deparment, just want them to CKD mitsubishi models. Sub par vendors also kenot be removed.. until now also still got. That is why i look at P3-21A is Proton reboot. They start back from scratch in it is a good start. |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 17 2013, 10:24 PM) The same press re upload new article to rephrase what DSZ said. NO ONE QUOTE on that. This article has been misquoted DSZ saying, and poorly written. It's a good start I must agree. I hope my view towards Proton will change with time. I think the core issue to address is cronyism.Yes, proton did alot of mistake in the past. They screw up. And their partners also tak boleh harap. Mitsubishi do not want proton to have RnD deparment, just want them to CKD mitsubishi models. Sub par vendors also kenot be removed.. until now also still got. That is why i look at P3-21A is Proton reboot. They start back from scratch in it is a good start. |
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Aug 17 2013, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE(sanadi @ Aug 17 2013, 09:56 PM) Bottom line, car price currently is controlled more by the car companies, not the taxes. agree with you...If Toyota or Honda on Nissan or anyone can set the car price high, and still sell, they will. That is the value of a brand. Why sell at 60K when people will still buy the same product at 120K? if all malaysian support p1 n p2.. fore sure T n H will reduce the price... 12 month of bonus.... they must have very high profit margin.... dammm... |
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Aug 17 2013, 10:32 PM
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Aug 17 2013, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(lepet @ Aug 17 2013, 10:29 PM) agree with you... Support jangan support buta. Jangan support sebab kereta malaysia. Support product yang bagus. if all malaysian support p1 n p2.. fore sure T n H will reduce the price... 12 month of bonus.... they must have very high profit margin.... dammm... Exora bold, Preve, Suprima S ini produk yang bagus. |
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Aug 17 2013, 10:33 PM
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Aug 17 2013, 10:35 PM
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People not buy proton because want proton improve, at the same time, other car maker very happy because their car can sell at high price even quality not so high especially for vios j version, very lousy, it's subjective, maybe other person no have any problem with it..
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Aug 17 2013, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 17 2013, 10:32 PM) Support jangan support buta. Jangan support sebab kereta malaysia. Support product yang bagus. Agreed. The old products are really bring shame to our country. Look at what Top Gear UK said about our previous models. I must say I was quite disturbed by their comments when I saw it previously.Exora bold, Preve, Suprima S ini produk yang bagus. http://www.topgear.com/uk/proton |
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Aug 17 2013, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(lepet @ Aug 17 2013, 10:29 PM) agree with you... It is best if we buy as a consumer. Not for patriotic reasons. Proton is improving because they had to, or they'll die. That forced them to be better.if all malaysian support p1 n p2.. fore sure T n H will reduce the price... 12 month of bonus.... they must have very high profit margin.... dammm... Buy what you think you need and what is affordable to you. Just do not blame Proton that you can't drive a Toyota or a Honda or a BMW. Know that you are paying for the brand. Nothing wrong with it, just do not blame Proton. That's barking at the wrong tree. |
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Aug 17 2013, 10:39 PM
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I go at the showroom at plentong jb, and 1st impression see this car is beutiful, design flaw are not what we see in picture, it does look good in real, the show car blue and silver, the blue color looks great like subaru blue, quality fiting i feel a lot more better than preve, and suprisingly the boot are quite big if u refering the name of hatchback itself, the back sit is so comfort, the leather and cushion so fluffy and not hard type, but i feel the leg room are limited and quite cramp, i dont know if proton reduce the leg room to expand their boots, but price way to expensive for me, and i might will stay with my current car, and i dont have chance to test drive it since their give priority to booking guess 1st
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Aug 17 2013, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE(MSS @ Aug 17 2013, 10:35 PM) People not buy proton because want proton improve, at the same time, other car maker very happy because their car can sell at high price even quality not so high especially for vios j version, very lousy, it's subjective, maybe other person no have any problem with it.. Vios J is sucky no doubt. I think Kia Rio is nice at its price. |
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Aug 17 2013, 10:41 PM
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I don't understand this whole crony talk
Isn't proton deserve to have its preferred manufacturer? Like fishmonger sell his fish first to his preferred customer before selling it to other customers |
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Aug 17 2013, 10:41 PM
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Aug 17 2013, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE(SoZa @ Aug 17 2013, 10:41 PM) I don't understand this whole crony talk What if your company is directed to get parts from another crony company at an inflated price and the CEO or director being a Yes man obliged? I am not saying this happens to Proton. I am just saying it happens in Malaysia.Isn't proton deserve to have its preferred manufacturer? Like fishmonger sell his fish first to his preferred customer before selling it to other customers This post has been edited by giovanni: Aug 17 2013, 10:45 PM |
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Aug 17 2013, 10:46 PM
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Aug 17 2013, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE(lepet @ Aug 17 2013, 10:41 PM) with 12 month bonus after the govt tax??? da fuq.. I have to reiterate on the fact that whatever excise duty imposed on the car will see the car price being inflated to factor this tax in where we, the end users will pay for it. The company might not absorb all of it.for sure they still transfer a lot of money to japan from the high profit margin they make.. |
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Aug 17 2013, 10:48 PM
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Jolokia sudah mari. Ini toyoi versi proton supporter. Hahaha
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