can't do comparison in such way...
it's not fair...
this is made in Malaysia...(i nv mean the quality and brand, i mean the cost of the car)
do u know the price for City,Vios,Almera and etc at Langkawi?
for RM75000-RM80000 in Langkawi it's almost Honda Civic 2.0 price...

y other car manufacturing country's citizen can own their home made car in better price than Malaysia?
is it Malaysian more rich?

I agree with you, only in Malaysia.
Think about money not safety of user.

Oh that one. My mistake
Chinese government have stronger protection for their car makers, yet people still go to china because of the market. No car maker in the world has a level playing field. Local makes will always be given prefernce. Japan, Korea will give preference to their cars. BMW price their cars expensive, but their market is export, hence even their people use Kia.

Also, no government in the world is idiotic to put their industry out to die. Lets say you remove everything for Proton, level playing field. Proton compete, but then people still will not buy proton because now can buy cheaper dugong. Why buy proton since dugong cheaper now. Proton dies out like Chrysler. Now, if you are a politician, making policies, how are you going to face 30k odd proton workers (including manufacturing parts, service, etc) saying, because I want cheaper dugong made by JAPS or THAIS, I rather see 30k MALAYSIAN workers merempat. 30k workers got families, got sedara-mara. As stupid as politicians are, they are not that stupid to loose voters. 

Same thing with MAS, same with Petronas. Will always get better treatment. Every country does this. If you don't do this, then you yourself will merempat. Lets say, that you have nothing to do with auto industry, working as grocery shop/hardware shop/own business. So now, you have 30k MALAYSIANS jobless, who is going to buy at your shop/use your facilities.

That is why during Malaysian economic crisis, Tun M say-spend spend. IMF idiot say, keep-keep. Logically when in crisis, you keep money to build revenue. However, if money does not circulate, economy will cripple. If everyone stopped going to McD because of crisis for 1 year, that shop will close. When I got the 3 gen's past accord 2.0 year 2000. Honda so desperate, they put in accessories you cannot find now. Bodylex massger, wood trim, parking pole, Vkool, can put downpayment with credit card some more, fog light and some sort of skyactive guard for 5 years. All free included in price. This was still during economic crisis. Then in 2002, economy got better, honda stopped giving bodylex massager, wood trim, parking pole. Even radio also aftermarket. Fog light not included. Seats don't have cloth cover. Forget skyactive.

If you want to get best value car, see which car comes with the most accessories, and balance with the brand value. As I see it, my new current gen 2010 Accord has less stuff compared to the 2000 Accord. Vkool was factory tinted. Now need to go tint yourself. Skyactiv, no more there. Massage seats-can forget it. When car makers are desperate, they put a lot of stuff. That is why cherry got tons of stuff, people still don't buy because brand value worse than proton. Honda, Nissan, Toyota give so little now because people rate the brand value too high. That is consumer's fault.

At the way Toyota, Honda and to an extent Nissan swindling consumers giving little stuff, I don't see my next car will be an Accord. Then again, it may be a rebadge Accord Kia/Hyundai considered good value as they have tons of stuff. I bet you that if Kia/Hyundai are at H, T and N position, they and H, T, and N at K/H position, H, T and N will give more stuff to consumers.

So, in your quest to have "fair and level playing field" for car makers, you are actually not being fair to your own people working in your own country. So i quote Tun M said: "Free trade can be fair, but Fair trade cannot be free". I don't want Malaysia to be like Indonesia with the huge income disparity or like EU and UK now, all bankrupt because all buy from China but China don't buy back from them.

Please read the link I gave and the pages following that. Then got problem ask back. I don't want to write same thing over and over again.

1.6 only give 205nm you also can't notice it is too low for a turbo engine? Protong fanboy. Don't tell me you had book one of this crap. Oh yea a crap drive a crap LOL

Hi guys, I'm sorry if I offended suprima supporter.
I did mention IN MY OPINION, right ?

Anyway, the money is ur. Buy whatever u like. Just dun regret and post stuff like... The problem sent to the service center until now cannot solve. Ex waja user here.

Aren't they replacing it like next year?

I wouldn't say the Savvy is A segment. It's a slightly small B segment car perhaps.

The Savvy is 3710mm, the Yaris Dugong generation 3785mm (the predecessor was shorter than the Savvy).

I just googled for Suprima. On page 5 in the image search I could find the first photo of the Proton. Everything before (and after) are photos of adult diapers. Well done Proton

Proton is still rebadging cars. Inspira. Accord. But you're right i guess. We can only speculate what deal was actually like. But Skoda is doing well, no? Imagine Proton doing it in Asia like how Skoda does it in Europe. Their factories are still in Czech. The locals still get to keep their job. Even if Proton gets less share per unit being sold, Asia is a very very big market. They'll still get lotsa profit by sheer volume sold. I think a VW car with Proton badge needs less convincing to buyers than a self-made car. I would definitely buy a rm100k Proton Jetta/Octavia.

test drive?i am not fan of proton lar.

Proton is still proton, the lacking of trust and reliability, the key word is positive goodwill, it accumulate from uncountable success of user experience.

and your so call airbags, ICE and all sort of gadgets is indeed a moderate improvement. As their main competitor, P2 always said, their reputation of number 1 selling automotive manufacturer is an unintended win, P1 give it away with uncountable mistake; Moreover, their current position are partly rely on strong backup from local enterprises, most of the government link business are forced to use Proton.

Consumer needs always come first, then only talk about wants and so on. Reliability and trustworthy always come first for a car that going to be use daily, it need times to build from uncountable positive user experience.

Anyhow need not to debate too much, i just expressing my opinion for not going to get Suprima. To me, Inspira and Exora is a success, Preve is moderate, and Suprima is failure. I'm having a higher and higher expectation for them since the success of Exora and now i feel sad for them to go downwards again, because i care about it.

For your question, I will rather go for Inspira with extra 10k or fiesta, C-segment or B-segment doesnt matter to me, what matters to me is the value of money, the extra gadgets from Suprima is not enough to offset its competitors' goodwill.

K thx byeeee