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post Apr 24 2013, 08:35 PM


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This is something everyone will be looking forward to.. Proton appears to have registered the new name for the Perdana replacement according to a new posted by our friends at paultan.org

Sometime back thereas news about Proton collaborating with Honda so this might it. I wonder how it will look like, whether we get the old current Accord platform or the upcoming one remains to be seen.

Shit Man! This is crazy..2013 is a hell of year for cars...moving forward we are going to be spoilt for choices..

And I am looking forward to any form of price reduction for cars..

Check out the story here : http://paultan.org/2013/04/24/proton-suprima-trademark/
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post Apr 24 2013, 08:38 PM


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Second hand value of the Honda Accord will drop like RIM shares. laugh.gif
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post Apr 24 2013, 08:48 PM


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Honda will use Proton to extend shelf life of it's outdated model. Proton has already tried this with Citroen,Mitsubishi,Renault & now Honda. When will they learn?
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Apr 24 2013, 08:38 PM)
Second hand value of the Honda Accord will drop like RIM shares. laugh.gif
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Hahaha....maybe...maybe not bro...remember, they flogged the seventh gen Galant till the cows came home.

So maybe they might use the current gen accord platform. even if they base it on the upcoming 2013 Accord, there could be some design variations.

Dont think Honda would subject its new model to the Inspira / Lancer scenario. Kite tengok dulu lag!
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Apr 24 2013, 08:38 PM)
Second hand value of the Honda Accord will drop like RIM shares. laugh.gif
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it won't
reason it very simple
other than the outlook is somewhat similar, everything else is different
even the engine is different, proton will be using the new 2.0L petronas engine
so technically speaking, its not even a rebadge

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post Apr 24 2013, 09:29 PM


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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Apr 24 2013, 08:48 PM)
Honda will use Proton to extend shelf life of it's outdated model. Proton has already tried this with Citroen,Mitsubishi,Renault & now Honda. When will they learn?
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With Renault it was only the engine, and they didn't extend the shelf life. While the Kangoo got the 1.4 with 75 hp, the Savvy got the newer 1.2 with 75 hp, the same engine that is used in the Kangoo in Europe (the 1.4 was phased out). hmm.gif

The AX was a quite old car at that point IIRC. Mitsubishi... well, Mitsubishi provided many models, and without them I don't think Proton could have existed.

If it is what happened to the Lancer, then good night Accord. If there are many more changes, then ok.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Apr 24 2013, 08:38 PM)
Second hand value of the Honda Accord will drop like RIM shares. laugh.gif
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hello Mr kadajawi smile.gif

I tend to agree with Mr alien... even if the new Perdana replacement is built on the Accord platform, there is news that the Perdana replacement model may use the Petronas engine.

With variations in design and a completely different engine, it may not affect the Accords resale value.

But saying that, I too have my doubts. The Perdana replacement story was bandied about a few times, first it was supposed to be based on the Passat through a JV with VW. then came news of partnership with Nissan.. all did not materialise so how far this new venture would go...we dont know yet.

For all I know the Suprima could be a name for another model offering from Proton...may not necessarily be the Perdana replacement. Besides, how proven is Petronas engine technology? does anyone know?

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i dont get it.
are they going to refurbish the accord with touch ups and rebadgings
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they going to utilize the chasis/ platform only?

mind u, accord is quite sturdy vehicle.

and i thought proton got this multiple use of platform or modular something blah blah blah i heard before?

but from what been written, it seems the car is already ready in flesh. suprised there isnt much spyshots of it considering end of 2013 is the targetted release

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post Apr 24 2013, 09:36 PM


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When it coming out? Keyword make me excite is accord platform & EO1 engine.

If don't like the E01e engine & wanna plonk K series engine let me know if wanna let go cheap2 the E01e hehe..

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If confirm true, Honda Accord owners can rejoice with cheaper parts...
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Apr 24 2013, 09:36 PM)
but from what been written, it seems the car is already ready in flesh. suprised there isnt much spyshots of it considering end of 2013 is the targetted release
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Betul ke nie?

I have been looking for some spyshot since i posted this tapi tak de pun.

I really hope someone in Proton will post pics of the new Perdana if its ready... this will be interesting to follow.

As far as i have read, it seems the E01 engine was fitted to a Waja and a Satria GTI in 1998. Dont recall finding any further info on the performance and reliability after that.

Apart from the initial performance figures, there is still a big question mark.
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P490A i bet..
I have some info.. dunno how true thou.. saw it inside the plant.. papers.. not car
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QUOTE(MTB_King @ Apr 24 2013, 09:46 PM)
Betul ke nie?

I have been looking for some spyshot since i posted this tapi tak de pun.

I really hope someone in Proton will post pics of the new Perdana if its ready... this will be interesting to follow.

As far as i have read, it seems the E01 engine was fitted to a Waja and a Satria GTI in 1998. Dont recall finding any further info on the performance and reliability after that.

Apart from the initial performance figures, there is still a big question mark.
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i dunno to be honest
but going with the trend of these few years, for every proton products there will be lots and lots of so called spyshots
i say the shots are indirect promotional agenda, not really spyshots. because u dont need to 'spy' to catch glimpse of the cars

and i was basically referring to the announcement that it cud be end of 2013 or early 2014. which is not so long considering we are coming to Q2 already
they must have the car ready by now, isnt it.
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post Apr 24 2013, 10:54 PM


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If they just use the platform... why not stretch the platform the Preve sits on instead? I'm more inclined to think it will be more of a badge engineering excercise. Developing a new car would probably be too expensive given the small number they are probably going to sell of it.

So basically I guess we'll be seeing this:
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Pretty much the same car. (VW sent the factory of the outgoing A4 to Spain, changed the design slightly and started selling the car as a Seat, at a lower price).

Also if it is a bigger rework we should start seeing prototypes on our roads soon. Just change a few panels then no need...

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post Apr 24 2013, 11:34 PM


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i was hoping that they can develop more cfe engine.let say 1.8 or 2.0 cfe with 160-180hp for pedana replacement. or maybe 1.0 cfe for savvy replacement.
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QUOTE(MTB_King @ Apr 24 2013, 09:46 PM)
Betul ke nie?

I have been looking for some spyshot since i posted this tapi tak de pun.

I really hope someone in Proton will post pics of the new Perdana if its ready... this will be interesting to follow.

As far as i have read, it seems the E01 engine was fitted to a Waja and a Satria GTI in 1998. Dont recall finding any further info on the performance and reliability after that.

Apart from the initial performance figures, there is still a big question mark.
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they only file trademark for the name only
car hasn't even start to develope or anything
this name could be for any new car for proton
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QUOTE(acbc @ Apr 24 2013, 09:36 PM)
If confirm true, Honda Accord owners can rejoice with cheaper parts...
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Some of the parts of Inspira is much more expensive than Lancer.
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 24 2013, 11:34 PM)
i was hoping that they can develop more cfe engine.let say 1.8 or 2.0 cfe with 160-180hp for pedana replacement. or maybe 1.0 cfe for savvy replacement.
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which would u prefer
2L CFE or 2L E01 engine?
2L CFE torque should be nice but its going be more thirsty than ever ...maybe like 2.5L car's FC
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 25 2013, 12:27 AM)
which would u prefer
2L CFE or 2L E01 engine?
2L CFE torque should be nice but its going be more thirsty than ever ...maybe like 2.5L car's FC
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not sure either p1 going to use e01 straight since it's an old engine (emission restriction). maybe use the tech and redesign the whole engine.
nway, tubo might be thirsty, but the main advantage is cheaper roadtax. for example pug vti and thp..thp is more thirsty than vti (fc around 1.8- 2.0L car), but way cheaper roadtax than 2.0 car.
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post Apr 25 2013, 07:20 AM


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After launch it car and do you prefer over an inspira to instead of this unknown performance engine smile.gif

At lease inspira engine still an Mitsubishi one.
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I wonder how will proton will upgrade the engine to make it on par with today technology standard? I hope they will try to us turbocharged the and direct injection the engine
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post Apr 25 2013, 08:10 AM


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Expect typical Proton built and quality.

Honda platform? Which Accord they gonna use?

This?

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Apr 25 2013, 07:20 AM)
After launch it car and do you prefer over an inspira to instead of this unknown performance engine smile.gif

At lease inspira engine still an Mitsubishi one.
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Learn to research la bangsat.

http://paultan.org/2005/07/08/the-petronas-e01/

Technical Specifications
Valve mechanism: Continuous Control VVT (Variable Valve Timing)
Camshaft: Double OverHead Camshaft (DOHC)
Displacement: 2 litres
Induction: Natural Aspirated
Cylinders: 4, In-line
Valves per cylinder: 4
Block: Aluminum
Weight: 108.9kg
Max Horsepower: 204.3 PS @ 7300rpm
Max Torque: 203Nm @ 5300rpm
Power Output per litre: 100 PS/litre
Volumetric Efficiency: 107.8%
Emission Standards: EURO 2

True that it's only EURO2, but that was WAY BACK in 2005. Like what the rest said, Proton could likely improve the engine to meet with current standard.

And it's also a known fact that the Inspira is using a Campro 2.0.
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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 25 2013, 08:13 AM)
Learn to research la bangsat.

http://paultan.org/2005/07/08/the-petronas-e01/

Technical Specifications
Valve mechanism: Continuous Control VVT (Variable Valve Timing)
Camshaft: Double OverHead Camshaft (DOHC)
Displacement: 2 litres
Induction: Natural Aspirated
Cylinders: 4, In-line
Valves per cylinder: 4
Block: Aluminum
Weight: 108.9kg
Max Horsepower: 204.3 PS @ 7300rpm
Max Torque: 203Nm @ 5300rpm
Power Output per litre: 100 PS/litre
Volumetric Efficiency: 107.8%
Emission Standards: EURO 2

True that it's only EURO2, but that was WAY BACK in 2005. Like what the rest said, Proton could likely improve the engine to meet with current standard.

And it's also a known fact that the Inspira is using a Campro 2.0.
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Nice~~~ look like really STP = standard tapi power smile.gif
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Yeap the new proton engine like the CFE and IAFM+ all EURO 5 standard, unlike some of japanese car here still on EURO 3 whistling.gif
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Just take a look and how does it fuel saving & pulling the power.
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Apr 24 2013, 10:05 PM)
P490A i bet..
I have some info.. dunno how true thou.. saw it inside the plant.. papers.. not car
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Can this really come out in a year?

Developing new 2L engine takes time. The petronas engine was just for the patents. Then there is also the crash test, stress/durability test, NVH test, engine test, styling etc takes time. Also, since when the Perdana was a "core" market car for proton. It ain't going to sell tons like saga/persona. IMHO, better put resources to replace the Satria Neo.

Also, what will happen to the Inspira? Sure, proton still rebadging this. Maybe due to phase out? I think it is better to just leave lancer as it is and concentrate on Saga than neo.

Also, I don't like suprima. Just call it Perdana. No one is going to confuse the car anyway. Suprima sounds like a Pizza Hut pizza -super supreme laugh.gif

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 25 2013, 08:13 AM)
Learn to research la bangsat.

http://paultan.org/2005/07/08/the-petronas-e01/

Technical Specifications
Valve mechanism: Continuous Control VVT (Variable Valve Timing)
Camshaft: Double OverHead Camshaft (DOHC)
Displacement: 2 litres
Induction: Natural Aspirated
Cylinders: 4, In-line
Valves per cylinder: 4
Block: Aluminum
Weight: 108.9kg
Max Horsepower: 204.3 PS @ 7300rpm
Max Torque: 203Nm @ 5300rpm
Power Output per litre: 100 PS/litre
Volumetric Efficiency: 107.8%
Emission Standards: EURO 2

True that it's only EURO2, but that was WAY BACK in 2005. Like what the rest said, Proton could likely improve the engine to meet with current standard.

And it's also a known fact that the Inspira is using a Campro 2.0.
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Actually, kimsin's post is not wrong. Last year Proton acquired this engine with 3 configurable displacement (1.8, 2.0 & 2.2) in which including turbocharged engine patents.

Only the 2.0 NA was revealed to the public. So the mass production unit's performance is still relatively unknown.

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What I see, Proton can redevelop EO1 engine further with LOTUS to meet current standard similar to Campro Engine last time... We shouldn't assume it to early..
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I just can't see too many changes from the Accord. Change the design a bit OK (think facelift... Nothing under the skin can change, and the overall shape from the A pillar onwards to the C pillar can't change (doors maybe a bit)). Interior few changes again.

Engine yes, can change if they have one. But basically it will be more like a facelifted Accord... by Proton. No major changes.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Apr 25 2013, 11:44 AM)
I just can't see too many changes from the Accord. Change the design a bit OK (think facelift... Nothing under the skin can change, and the overall shape from the A pillar onwards to the C pillar can't change (doors maybe a bit)). Interior few changes again.

Engine yes, can change if they have one. But basically it will be more like a facelifted Accord... by Proton. No major changes.
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and if they sell it at 100k, another doomed to fail project. if they sell it 80k, preve will fail. its a dead end. ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(stix @ Apr 25 2013, 12:17 PM)
and if they sell it at 100k, another doomed to fail project. if they sell it 80k, preve will fail. its a dead end.  ohmy.gif
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The worst case is sell over 100k do u think you will support it?
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They probably only make it for government officials. I'd say at least 100k, wouldn't be surprised if it is more (which would still be quite a bargain). But since it will be sold in small numbers the development costs need to be really low.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Apr 25 2013, 12:19 PM)
The worst case is sell over 100k do u think you will support it?
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ill never support it no matter what laugh.gif
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 25 2013, 07:11 AM)
not sure either p1 going to use e01 straight since it's an old engine (emission restriction). maybe use the tech and redesign the whole engine.
nway, tubo might be thirsty, but the main advantage is cheaper roadtax. for example pug vti and thp..thp is more thirsty than vti (fc around 1.8- 2.0L car), but way cheaper roadtax than 2.0 car.
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but those are advanced modern engine while CFE aka campro is an basic old engine with nothing in it...thats why the thirstiness
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Makes more sense to use sharing platform. Exora platform might have some limitations to span into D segment.

As for the engine, what we know so far its going to be the new version of E01 engine dubbed NE01.

No information weather its NA or turbocharged, although some reports the petronas engine comes with both.

Also, Proton have new engine on their own dubbed NFE. This have very little information. Rumors this is small engine, going to be use in GSC.

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what i heard,if use pet engine,it will be f01, rather e01. dunno the diff. maybe cost effective n emmision. iafm+ n cfe,lower than 150g/km co2 but still 140++g/km which only euro 5,shud target lower than 120g/km for euro 6 in 2014. hopefully they can.
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QUOTE(SoZa @ Apr 25 2013, 07:54 AM)
I wonder how will proton will upgrade the engine to make it on par with today technology standard? I hope they will try to us turbocharged the and direct injection the engine
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CFE not a turbo charged injection engine? or u just being sarcastic?
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 25 2013, 12:32 PM)
but those are advanced modern engine while CFE aka campro is an basic old engine with nothing in it...thats why the thirstiness
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the project started in 96..was planned to use it by 2005. cfe is not really ori campro engine. a bit smaller displacement, different vvt mechanism compared to cps. it is thristy because of the turbo..proton nowhere near vw tsi or bmw prince thp..but still a modern engine.
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QUOTE(calmshot @ Apr 25 2013, 02:11 PM)
CFE not a turbo charged injection engine? or u just being sarcastic?
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maybe he mean direct injection turbo. so far cfe dont use direct injection.
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 25 2013, 02:42 PM)
the project started in 96..was planned to use it by 2005. cfe is not really ori campro engine. a bit smaller displacement, different vvt mechanism compared to cps. it is thristy because of the turbo..proton nowhere near vw tsi or bmw prince thp..but still a modern engine.
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ic...thn they have more improvement to do
but if lite turbo already so thirsty, if they plug in bigger turbo...its gonna be more thristy
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 25 2013, 02:47 PM)
ic...thn they have more improvement to do
but if lite turbo already so thirsty, if they plug in bigger turbo...its gonna be more thristy
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yeap..just give them few more years. maybe they can come out with new engine based on petronas engine. never own a cfe proton..but is it thristy? i mean compared to 1.8-2.0 car.
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Im using cfe engine, in town use such a pain the a$$ to pay for its fuel. Full tank 370km more or less.

Long distance, i have record 640km travel at average speed of 130km/h. Still have little bit more fuel until the low fuel warning indicator light up

its the way the ecu tune. Proton need to learn from other manufacture how to tune properly. The ecu tune before remap have better fc than the latest
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QUOTE(neo1point3 @ Apr 25 2013, 02:58 PM)
Im using cfe engine, in town use such a pain the a$$ to pay for its fuel. Full tank 370km more or less.

Long distance, i have record 640km travel at average speed of 130km/h. Still have little bit more fuel until the low fuel warning indicator light up

its the way the ecu tune. Proton need to learn from other manufacture how to tune properly. The ecu tune before remap have better fc than the latest
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You ride on what model of proton car?
I think it is normal for smaller CC car.

Hp & torque are low then have to pulling up power fuel to burning over.
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QUOTE(SoZa @ Apr 25 2013, 07:54 AM)
I wonder how will proton will upgrade the engine to make it on par with today technology standard? I hope they will try to us turbocharged the and direct injection the engine
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 25 2013, 02:44 PM)
maybe he mean direct injection turbo. so far cfe dont use direct injection.
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ouh TDi, my bad. wrongly interpreted. sorry SoZa
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 25 2013, 02:52 PM)
yeap..just give them few more years. maybe they can come out with new engine based on petronas engine. never own a cfe proton..but is it thristy? i mean compared to 1.8-2.0 car.
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it has almost the same FC as inspira...so go figure
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it has almost the same FC as inspira...so go figure
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hurmm..to me not bad la.
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hurmm..to me not bad la.
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it should have the power/torque of a 2.0L(which is has)
and the FC of a 1.6L(which it doesn't have) tongue.gif
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You ride on what model of proton car?
I think it is normal for smaller CC car.

Hp & torque are low then have to pulling up power fuel to burning over.
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Exora bold cfe

if just cruising and overtake slowly the fc really good

theres one time i need to catch a ferry at tioman, i vroom vroom all the way from seri kembangan to tanjung gemok jetty, around 310km. Usual drive took me 4hour 30minutes to 5 hour at most, but that time 3hour already reach destination...from full tank at first of the journey, when reach the destination...the fuel indicator blinking already...lol
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OMG --> http://paultan.org/2013/04/25/proton-supri...n-honda-accord/

Honda accord much headache for maintenance and now come into proton hand... Lagi headache for after sales service smile.gif

The main issue is accord chassis too heavy and now putting unknown performance engine and do your think it can be more improve FC and power?

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it should have the power/torque of a 2.0L(which is has)
and the FC of a 1.6L(which it doesn't have) tongue.gif
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Cannot lah like that. Too high expectation. How can 1.6 + turbo = 1.6NA fc? More reasonable is 1.6T = 1.8NA fc. Unless you 'never on' the turbo then can prob get 1.6NA fc. Look at the Passat, 1.8T = 2.0NA fc. So if preve CFE = 2.0 or above, only then can considered high-ish.
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at least roadtax rm90 for 1.6l car.. 1.8 already feel pain.. rm280.haha
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QUOTE(dirtinacan @ Apr 26 2013, 09:15 AM)
at least roadtax rm90 for 1.6l car.. 1.8 already feel pain.. rm280.haha
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Due to road tax is a year a time.
Badly FC is per every fuel.

So you would consider which one?
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Due to road tax is a year a time.
Badly FC is per every fuel.

So you would consider which one?
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i choose FC. that's why i downgraded from waja 1.8T to a myvi. haha cry.gif cry.gif
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I got 3 questions:

1. Why P1 doesn't play around with their displacement of the 1.6 CFE? Just like Ford did with its new 1.0 & 1.5 EcoBoost lineup.
2. Why P1 doesn't use the so-called Preve/Exora modular platform design?
3. Why P1 is yet to announce its so-called "business plan"?
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QUOTE(matmoto5125 @ Apr 26 2013, 09:28 AM)
I got 3 questions:

1. Why P1 doesn't play around with their displacement of the 1.6 CFE? Just like Ford did with its new 1.0 & 1.5 EcoBoost lineup.
2. Why P1 doesn't use the so-called Preve/Exora modular platform design?
3. Why P1 is yet to announce its so-called "business plan"?
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This is the main pointed.

Why proton need play with from each model of car can be choose from low or higher engine grade.

Why they can't do all the same and different with accessories of the low & full specs only.

The main reason from each company have to developing and take how long for improve over bad FC to be better FC and high power engine with lower capacity.

This one may need bump in how much money to be devolping again.
Take more 20 years should be good enough time.

Like Korean car last time very worst and now improve a lot the better FC already.
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QUOTE(azfamy @ Apr 26 2013, 08:27 AM)
Cannot lah like that. Too high expectation. How can 1.6 + turbo = 1.6NA fc? More reasonable is 1.6T = 1.8NA fc. Unless you 'never on' the turbo then can prob get 1.6NA fc. Look at the Passat, 1.8T = 2.0NA fc. So if preve CFE = 2.0 or above, only then can considered high-ish.
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Proton 1.6 NA already like 2.0 NA FC

1.6T like 2.5 NA

if 2.0T then will be like 3.0NA.


That's why people complain Proton FC.
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Apr 26 2013, 09:58 AM)
Proton 1.6 NA already like 2.0 NA FC

1.6T like 2.5 NA

if 2.0T then will be like 3.0NA.
That's why people complain Proton FC.
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any fact on these?
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The key point is korean participate in GEMA engine development, the engine improve tremendously then. P1... the resource and sales are limited.
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Apr 26 2013, 09:58 AM)
Proton 1.6 NA already like 2.0 NA FC

1.6T like 2.5 NA

if 2.0T then will be like 3.0NA.
That's why people complain Proton FC.
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I Drove a proton Exora CPS N/A 1.6, can reach 420 Km full tank pure City driving that would make the figure 1:10 to 1:11, thats even more saving than a Toyoda Innova.

Better if I cruise in highway can reach Bukit Kayu Hitam BP station after full tank from Old Klang Road BP Petrol Kiosk without a refill along the way.
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QUOTE(matmoto5125 @ Apr 26 2013, 09:28 AM)
I got 3 questions:

1. Why P1 doesn't play around with their displacement of the 1.6 CFE? Just like Ford did with its new 1.0 & 1.5 EcoBoost lineup.
2. Why P1 doesn't use the so-called Preve/Exora modular platform design?
3. Why P1 is yet to announce its so-called "business plan"?
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1. It's not that easy. The 1.0 is an entirely new engine, designed from the ground up to be turbocharged. They offer it with different turbos so they can offer it at different price and performance points. The 1.5 may or may not be related to the 1.0. It's a 4 cylinder... BMW seems to have developed a new 3 cylinder as well, that can be scaled up or down depending on needs (so 2 cylinder, 4 cylinder, ...). But who knows how much effort it takes.
2. Probably too much work for a car that is sold in too low numbers. That's what makes me think the Suprima will be a facelifted Accord. Keeps development costs low. Only volume sellers are produced in such numbers that the development costs can be covered by the car price.

(IMHO Proton should just rebadge the Skoda Superb... even got similar names laugh.gif That's a more suitable car for government officials).
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if really got rebadged accord, who still want to buy new accord?
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QUOTE(matmoto5125 @ Apr 26 2013, 09:28 AM)
I got 3 questions:

1. Why P1 doesn't play around with their displacement of the 1.6 CFE? Just like Ford did with its new 1.0 & 1.5 EcoBoost lineup.
2. Why P1 doesn't use the so-called Preve/Exora modular platform design?
3. Why P1 is yet to announce its so-called "business plan"?
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Proton came into being thinking the rakyat will be to forced to buy it. All other cars will be heavily taxed,thus making Proton attractive to majority. It worked in the beginning.

Everything has changed since then and Proton is unable to deal with reality,still wants the tongkat. Slowly tongkat also disappearing. So now they want to leapfrog by teaming up. All the time looking to take shortcuts. I seriously doubt this new Honda tie up will work. It's going to be another failed model which will take a slow death.

IMO the best deal was with VW,there could have been a future. But that meant a complete revamp. Proton crony will die. As long as Proton is 'feed the crony' project,I see no hope even if they tieup with space shuttle!
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All see proton say this and that no good. Y no develop it own engine doh.gif See others bigger car manufacture which is better then proton. The gearbox still got problem, air bag problem la etc but no complain. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(katijar @ Apr 26 2013, 01:10 PM)
if really got rebadged accord, who still want to buy new accord?
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Once it has a Proton badge it is unreliable crap, didn't you know? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 24 2013, 09:23 PM)
it won't
reason it very simple
other than the outlook is somewhat similar, everything else is different
even the engine is different, proton will be using the new 2.0L petronas engine
so technically speaking, its not even a rebadge
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QUOTE(sudha @ Apr 24 2013, 09:35 PM)
hello Mr kadajawi smile.gif

I tend to agree with Mr alien... even if the new Perdana replacement is built on the Accord platform, there is news that the Perdana replacement model may use the Petronas engine.

With variations in design and a completely different engine, it may not affect the Accords resale value.

But saying that, I too have my doubts. The Perdana replacement story was bandied about a few times, first it was supposed to be based on the Passat through a JV with VW. then came news of partnership with Nissan.. all did not materialise so how far this new venture would go...we dont know yet.

For all I know the Suprima could be a name for another model offering from Proton...may not necessarily be the Perdana replacement. Besides, how proven is Petronas engine technology? does anyone know?
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Haha. But maybe this time they will have one.

QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Apr 24 2013, 09:36 PM)
i dont get it.
are they going to refurbish the accord with touch ups and rebadgings
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they going to utilize the chasis/ platform only?

mind u, accord is quite sturdy vehicle.

and i thought proton got this multiple use of platform or modular something blah blah blah i heard before?

but from what been written, it seems the car is already ready in flesh. suprised there isnt much spyshots of it considering end of 2013 is the targetted release
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Isnt much? Its NONE actualy

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Apr 26 2013, 09:58 AM)
Proton 1.6 NA already like 2.0 NA FC

1.6T like 2.5 NA

if 2.0T then will be like 3.0NA.
That's why people complain Proton FC.
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How come Proton owner know their 1.6NA consume like NA FC? I thought most proton kenot afford big car?
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name like Pizza la ... glurp ... Suprimo Pizza ... rebadge onot this not sure since still no spyshots yet ... But Proton should stop reusing platforms of other makers and use their own. They malu with Preve and Exora platform keh ? Making their model lineup like rojak rojak ...
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if really got rebadged accord, who still want to buy new accord?
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QUOTE(ironfolic @ Apr 26 2013, 04:09 PM)
All see proton say this and that no good. Y no develop it own engine  doh.gif  See others bigger car manufacture which is better then proton. The gearbox still got problem, air bag problem la etc but no complain.  thumbup.gif
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so campro not developed by proton?
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My FC is 16 cents per KM for a Proton Wira. Manual, 1.5cc SOHC, shitty mods. 70% highway and 30% town. Full highway is 14 cents.

Exora Bold? 20 cents per KM.

Friend's Gen2 18 cents per KM.

Same routine for all. Except Gen2 and Bold are autos.
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Don't understand of proton, why they need to copy other brand of technology,since they have lotus and just ask lotus for developing a good engine for proton.

Since proton know how to design & built of Waja, Persona, saga Blm, Exora & Preve then "y" they don't design by original from proton and still need to used other brand for rebadge it.

Now become a Rojak Rojak again.

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Apr 27 2013, 01:46 AM)
Don't understand of proton, why they need to copy other brand of technology,since they have lotus and just ask lotus for developing a good engine for proton.

Since proton know how to design & built of Waja, Persona, saga Blm, Exora & Preve then "y" they don't design by original from proton and still need to used other brand for rebadge it.

Now become a Rojak Rojak again.
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If Lotus can develop a good engine, they wouldn't have used Toyota engines in their Elises, Exiges & Evoras in the 1st place la.

Lagi pun, Proton planning to use Honda platform only. Running gear & body design are all Proton & Petronas so is not a rebadge.

Big brand also rebadge other car what. Like Mitubishi Proudia is a rebadged Nissan Fuga, Nissan Lafesta is a rebadged Mazda Premacy, Mazda Flair is a rebadged Suzuki Wagon R, etc...

Everyone does it.
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QUOTE(neo1point3 @ Apr 25 2013, 02:58 PM)
Im using cfe engine, in town use such a pain the a$$ to pay for its fuel. Full tank 370km more or less.

Long distance, i have record 640km travel at average speed of 130km/h. Still have little bit more fuel until the low fuel warning indicator light up

its the way the ecu tune. Proton need to learn from other manufacture how to tune properly. The ecu tune before remap have better fc than the latest
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it is reasonable FC, just like any 2.0NA car.

1.6turbo, with their power comparable to 2.0NA, its normal to have the FC comparable too, perhaps some saving in roadtax only ( but cons is the turbo, which is a wear and tear item)

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Apr 27 2013, 01:46 AM)
Don't understand of proton, why they need to copy other brand of technology,since they have lotus and just ask lotus for developing a good engine for proton.

Since proton know how to design & built of Waja, Persona, saga Blm, Exora & Preve then "y" they don't design by original from proton and still need to used other brand for rebadge it.

Now become a Rojak Rojak again.
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lotuses use toyota engines for most of their models. they are good at the improving handling and some protons are actually pretty nice to drive, satria neo etc. just lacking in quality. preve improved a bit on that part though. it's not rebadging, it's using the platform. many carmakers share platforms. VW group for instance, alot of audi, skoda, VW, seat uses the same platform. Ford and volvo too, countless others. not a sin at all. i'm not a proton fan but if proton wants to improve i'm all for it, problem is, what's taking so long?
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QUOTE(chuakz @ Apr 27 2013, 12:58 PM)
lotuses use toyota engines for most of their models. they are good at the improving handling and some protons are actually pretty nice to drive, satria neo etc. just lacking in quality. preve improved a bit on that part though. it's not rebadging, it's using the platform. many carmakers share platforms. VW group for instance, alot of audi, skoda, VW, seat uses the same platform. Ford and volvo too, countless others. not a sin at all. i'm not a proton fan but if proton wants to improve i'm all for it, problem is, what's taking so long?
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Crony suppliers and higher management that are corrupt beyond repair.

There are smart and talented ppl in the organization, and the knowledge transferred from Lotus prove to be a major asset that Proton possess these days. Nonetheless, even great names such as ex-BMW man Dr. Wolfgang Karl Epple who was the Director of Quality for three years in Proton, can't rescue Proton from the pit it dug itself in.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Apr 27 2013, 09:51 AM)
it is reasonable FC, just like any 2.0NA car.

1.6turbo, with their power comparable to 2.0NA, its normal to have the FC comparable too, perhaps some saving in roadtax only ( but cons is the turbo, which is a wear and tear item)
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Betul kah turboja... vw 1.4 twin charge fc more or less same like fake lancer kah? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Apr 27 2013, 02:50 PM)
Betul kah turboja...  vw 1.4 twin charge fc more or less same like fake lancer kah? tongue.gif
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oh, that one different dy, that one like hybrid already

petrol + twincharger = Petrol + battery = petrol + roadtax.

assuming twincharger is wear and tear and battery is wear and tear.

in the long run, same one brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
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Expect typical Proton built and quality.

Honda platform? Which Accord they gonna use?

This?

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Omg, No !

The japanese can't be that cruel.
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since it was intended for perdana replacement...
i think it would be base on Honda Legend/Acura RL
more suitable for "luxury" style than accord tongue.gif

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The honda legend looks pretty "legend" (past tense)...
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QUOTE(budakdegilz @ Apr 28 2013, 12:38 AM)
since it was intended for perdana replacement...
i think it would be base on Honda Legend/Acura RL
more suitable for "luxury" style than accord  tongue.gif

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Bro... Since they mention Accord platform, it could be the current generation Accord, which almost close to the Legend size.

We all know that the New Accord is coming soon, so the best option (and cost effective) is probably take on the current Accord platform.

If that happens, hit the spoiler to see what it looks like (Sorry Mods, picture too big i dunno how to resize)

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sudha
post May 3 2013, 04:44 PM


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Hahaha....I think our bro Theo reflected upon the Inspira design before rendering this.

Makes sense, Proton did make some very very minimal changes on the Inspira exterior. Technically, on the outside that car is 95% Mitsubishi Lancer. So we might be looking at a similar approach with the Accord based Perdana replacement.

Say, has anyone seen this piece on additional names registered by Proton for trademark purposes? paultan.org dug out some names like Idaman, Exia and two more. Check it out here - Trademarked names from Proton. Article does say some name were registered but never used.

I am wondering besides the Perdana and the Preve hatchback, Proton did have plans for other models including a SUV..wonder it reflects that.



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