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Proton Suprima S
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 08:32 PM) Don't you forget VIOS is priced that way becos of the MIGHTY TAX. Take away the tax u think at the price we cannot get all those accessories? Proton is homegrown mate. And just one more thing, how come Proton is selling its cars cheapers overseas???? with 79k (fully loaded safety feature) can tapaw 2.0 camry --> priceless... 200kmh all along guthrie highway (from bukit jelutung till the next toll) no problem at all..... This post has been edited by lepet: Aug 17 2013, 08:57 PM
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 08:57 PM) yes im.. do it with preve...
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(SithBuster @ Aug 17 2013, 09:00 PM) Preve of cos can ma. 200Km top speed. But Suprima only 190KMH top speed i think with stock setting and stock 16 inch tyre...
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 08:57 PM) with vios 2 airbag poor ancap rating got the ball?? preve cash full frontal test the crumple not go thru the cabin..
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 09:21 PM) No vested interest in Vios in whatever way. I would have bought CKD Honda Jazz myself given the price. I am not buying any new car anytime soon. Am driving a family 16 years old Toyota second handed junk at the moment. Just saying the cars here are priced higher becos of our national cars that's all. I am not willing to buy new car to feed the cronies. Just my two cents dude... go and support japan brand who are rape your grandmother during WW2... nice..
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 09:36 PM) Dude can you be anymore crude than this? what i mean is some of malaysia women during ww2..
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(sanadi @ Aug 17 2013, 09:47 PM) That is why Toyota can sell high priced car in Malaysia, and give their staff 12 months bonus. When asked why their car is expensive, they just point to Proton. And people believe it. Kena kencing semua. walauweyy.. 12 month bonus... selling car 50% less than produa... and get 12 month bonus??? must be profit margin per car very high...
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 17 2013, 09:59 PM) yes, very because so much hardcore fans 2 airbags, even if they set the price at 100k, still will sell well thats why UMW SA have to thanks those "hardcore fans/blind fans" for their money i guess profit margin per car for toyota is more than RM20k
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 10:08 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 10:05 PM) Actually it's the chicken and egg story again. You can't say it's not becos of the tax. You see, our gov imposed those taxes on all carmakers but smartly give the R&D incentive to our local carmakers to offset the said tax. It may look fair from one angle and unfair from another. Morever, why the high excise tax in the first place? So now the foreign carmakers have excuses to jack up their prices and with the tax imposed on them you don't need me to elaborate further and yet after the govt tax, still can give 12 month bonus??? really does not make any sense... must be the profit margin very very high.. This post has been edited by lepet: Aug 17 2013, 10:11 PM
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 17 2013, 10:07 PM) not sure, need to see the AP but should around 10-20k for that kind of spec in malaysia, vios is kind of equivalent to a saga...so go figure thats why i always say UMW is ripping us off not only charge us expensive, before it even reach here, they kinda will remove some of the feature as well what i heard they remove fr n rear bumber beam...
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE(sanadi @ Aug 17 2013, 09:56 PM) Bottom line, car price currently is controlled more by the car companies, not the taxes. If Toyota or Honda on Nissan or anyone can set the car price high, and still sell, they will. That is the value of a brand. Why sell at 60K when people will still buy the same product at 120K? agree with you... if all malaysian support p1 n p2.. fore sure T n H will reduce the price... 12 month of bonus.... they must have very high profit margin.... dammm...
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 10:33 PM) Sorry mate, the tax is passed down to end users like you and I. with 12 month bonus after the govt tax??? da fuq.. for sure they still transfer a lot of money to japan from the high profit margin they make..
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 10:47 PM) I have to reiterate on the fact that whatever excise duty imposed on the car will see the car price being inflated to factor this tax in where we, the end users will pay for it. The company might not absorb all of it. still the can give 12 month bonus?? their car is overprice here!!! if the tax is reduce for toyota, they selling cheaper but still they make very high profit margin doh!!
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 10:53 PM) I am nobody's boy just fyi. I also like Honda Jazz and Peugot 308. I look at cars but I don't buy them cos they are expensive. Trust me if it's cheap I would buy straightaway. The old car that I am using have cellophane tape on its front bumper just to prevent it from falling off. I was looking at cars when I got back from UK but decided against buying one becos I think they are expensive. That's when I loan an old car from my bro (my current cellophane taped car). if you live in uk... for sure you get cheaper car but high personal income tax!!! friend told me they need to pay tax of 50% of annually income (half of your annual income goes to govt)...
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 11:06 PM) Sorry mate you got it half correct only. They have tax brackets like here in Malaysia. If you earn below 32K pounds perannum you are only tax 20% for that amount. If you earn beyond that, your first 32K are taxed 20% and the remainder 40%. 45% for the next band and so on and so forth. So it's not like u get taxed 50% straightaway. Need I say the government services and general benefits are so much better there? (I will leave that for another topic). i would rather be high tax on the car rather than high tax on my annual income... btw, normally we dont change car every year...
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 11:08 PM) Now I don't know about the 12 months bonus thingy. If tax is reduced their profit margin may remain relatively the same cause they don't earn the tax. The gov does. 12 month bonus was highlighted by one of the forumer here... so dont blame proton for higher price of other oem coz even tge tax is reduce, they still make higer profit margin.. This post has been edited by lepet: Aug 17 2013, 11:25 PM
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lepet
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Aug 17 2013, 11:38 PM
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QUOTE(giovanni @ Aug 17 2013, 11:27 PM) Actually you bought one car it's equivalent to several years worth of tax. Also actually income tax in UK is high because it's welfare state. Meaning, it's being channelled back to the people through a lot of benefits and services. benefit to the people...? may i know what is the price charge to enter govt hospital in uk? here is only RM1... 90% of medical cost is subsidies by the govt doh!!! your statement is too general... This post has been edited by lepet: Aug 17 2013, 11:42 PM
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