Proton is still proton, the lacking of trust and reliability, the key word is positive goodwill, it accumulate from uncountable success of user experience.

and your so call airbags, ICE and all sort of gadgets is indeed a moderate improvement. As their main competitor, P2 always said, their reputation of number 1 selling automotive manufacturer is an unintended win, P1 give it away with uncountable mistake; Moreover, their current position are partly rely on strong backup from local enterprises, most of the government link business are forced to use Proton.

Consumer needs always come first, then only talk about wants and so on. Reliability and trustworthy always come first for a car that going to be use daily, it need times to build from uncountable positive user experience.

Anyhow need not to debate too much, i just expressing my opinion for not going to get Suprima. To me, Inspira and Exora is a success, Preve is moderate, and Suprima is failure. I'm having a higher and higher expectation for them since the success of Exora and now i feel sad for them to go downwards again, because i care about it.

For your question, I will rather go for Inspira with extra 10k or fiesta, C-segment or B-segment doesnt matter to me, what matters to me is the value of money, the extra gadgets from Suprima is not enough to offset its competitors' goodwill.

K thx byeeee

This post has been edited by kennie: Sep 5 2013, 07:35 PM

So the Suprima should be sold at RM60k to gain back the market share then?

Like you said, if Inspira and Exora was a success, meaning more Malaysians accept the brand, then why shouldn't Proton try to offer more and at the same time price it higher? Do you expect Proton to sell every car big and small under RM70k forever?

They are selling a C-sedan at RM74k and a fully-kitted C-hatch at RM80k, and you have already positioned their C-segs against other B-segs. I don't know how much goodwill do you expect from Proton.

Perhaps Proton should just go back to full time rebadging other cars and sell them cheap. I don't think any amount of goodwill will please Malaysians.

This post has been edited by dares: Sep 5 2013, 07:51 PM

Does anyone know or any owners know what is that 5 year warranty is? What are the T&C?

Not mentioned on the proton edar website.

+1

It is always good for a company to continue to produce higher end product and selling at high price. By continue to rebadge and rebadge will not make the country progress.

I hate the NAP and cronyism in bolehland, but in this case, P1 produce a higher end product should be heading to the right direction. Hope not only P1, other malaysian companies that produce other products will continue to improve their products and technology.

You definitely are ignorant about car in general.
For you, RM80k Proton is overprice no matter what spec that they give while Vios kosong is an ok buy even they sold for RM90k.
And you said Inspira and Exora is a success while Suprima S is a failure are made with very poor fact too
The fact you don't want to debate too much is because you don't have any knowledge in your head. That's all.
Better don't comment at all rather than just throw rubbish and run.

Have the seat being lowered? It can be adjusted.

I'm 6"2 and I have no issue at all.

The HU is android power based but the offline GPS application and map, not really open source and free. Eg a papago for an android phone?

At most dealers, they do not put in the microSD because they are worry of theft case. And it happen several time, once in my showroom too....

That is proton's problem from being complacent from about wira (1993) onwards up to savvy (2005). 12 years.

Inspira is a success because it is a cheap Lancer. You get a C segment car <RM100k.
Exora is a success due to the very same reason. You get a lot for your money. Same with Saga, more true with the Saga SV.

You can fight on price forever, but then people will think, Proton as their very first car, then get over it, move on to other cars. There is a huge danger in being a 'budget' car maker. 1: It will enforce people's perception that proton can sell cheap cars because special treatment. 2: When proton does try to offer something expensive which is not rebadge, people will be afraid to buy. If that is proton's "global car" strategy, then it is doomed. 3. Pessimistic comments on failure.

Once you move the budget RM60k>>, buyers have more choice especially if there is no competition for the car. If they want to avoid proton, they can buy a almera, fiesta, rio. Cheaper too even though vehicle class is different, spec different. For cars above 60K, Proton has to be nail on the quality and car type. There are actually very few Inspira's now on the road because it is of higher price, and people can just migrate to other cars if they want to. I can only think of one good reason why it is still selling, and it is that it is a rebadge, someone else made it first.

The very fact that you have people spending 70k+ on a proton (not Exora) and not inspira is actually quite a good feat no matter how pessimistic your view is on Proton. Something must be right somewhere that these people still have faith in Proton to part with their hard earn cash. AFAIK, there are about 700+ bookings now (in the 3rd week of sale) on the Suprima, so either we have 700 idiots who don't know better or something must be right somewhere that they are willing to let go of their cash Weak proton sales can be seen in the Juara, Arena, Tiara. Those were even cheaper cars than the Preve/Suprima. Even when those cars were launched, buyers do have a choice-which is not to buy them.

Arena was the cheapest pickup truck-still very weak sales (in Malaysia). Good sales in Australia. Juara, worked in Japan, never seem to caught up here.

You cannot have high expectation, but only be prepared to pay peanuts...because it is a Proton or local business. Like this any business can go bankrupt. This is especially true for people doing service based business in Malaysia. You cannot say, you local, patut cheaper than oversea service la. This kind of mentality is one reason we cannot maju. In UK, they value their labour so much that it is very well priced. You become a plumber in London, can earn 200k pounds a month-that is working solo. If work in smaller city, expect 80k a month. All construction work done by local people. Those Polish people only go pick strawberry or do cleaner job. For comparison, a Prof at uni base pay start at 44k. So plumber richer than prof.

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Sep 5 2013, 11:18 PM

I see. Did not know about that. Even test drive car with SA...still afraid?

I was told by my sales manager that we lost one in the showroom unit....
So to avoid all the possible circumstances, they remove everything (but I remember my test drive unit have it installed, coz I put it in as they don't know how to put it and activate it)

No wonder. Even antenna also removed by SA to prevent theft. I guess if got pocket doraemon, then the whole car will lesap

Comparing by segment la bro...
Lembu vs kambing comparable ka? Even both have 4 legs also..

This post has been edited by yaz_inseven: Sep 5 2013, 09:31 PM

i beg to differ. safety feature a moderate improvement? having a plus in safety feature just saved my friend's life, like 2 hours ago. if he is in a tin kosong P2, i wouldn't be posting here right now but instead attend to his funeral.

i prefer a car with power window that breaks rather than a car that make your heart breaks in agony.

This post has been edited by cloudstrife07: Sep 5 2013, 09:52 PM

Wow....what car was he driving?

yours truly Proton Waja hi-line with 2 airbags and ABS+EBD which every malaysian complain power window always break one.

Inspira/Lancer is actually a C Segment.. pretty sure its a typo..

Thanks for letting me know

My impression so far, after five days.

When you stopped at the traffic light and started moving, for the first few seconds, the engine is noticeably louder, and takes a little effort to accelerate. But after maybe 6 to 7 seconds, it would become smooth again. Driving on the highway is f***ing awesome! I really enjoyed it, the meter showed 6.5 litre per 100KM when I drove on the highway.

The leather seat is really awesome. I actually spent quite some time just lepak and tidur tidur ayam in my car.
I have clocked about 380KM in the past five days, and spent about RM80 for that. Average fuel consumption on the car showed 11.1 litre per 100KM for now.

The GPS works really well, my only complain is the resistive screen is a bit annoying because I believe many people are used to the convenience of having a responsive capacitive screen.

I tried connected my phone to the car's bluetooth and surprisingly I can answer call, and talk on the phone without holding it. I tried calling my friend with it, and he could hear me crystal clear. I can't find where the mic is located in the car, but it sure is a nice feature to be talking on the phone while driving, without holding the phone or handsfree equipment etc. Nonetheless, the problem is his voice didn't come out from the car's speaker. I think there must be some setting options underneath the android console that I have to tinker with, to make it work. Will give feedback further when I find it.

Auto-wiper feature is very nice, as it will adjust the speed of the wipers, according to the severity of the rain. Heavier rain= faster wiper. Rain stopped= wiper instantaneously halt its operation. Nice

Auto-folding side mirror is also another neat feature of this car. It would auto-fold when you press the lock-button on your key fob, sparing you the effort to try opening the car door, to ensure that you have indeed locked the car.

By the way, not having a dedicated boot release button is not a problem at all. (Paultan's Hafriz Shah complained about that thing). Just press the unlock button on your key fob for a little wee longer, and there you go, the boot opens.

I don't really know much about cars in general, so I can't really give a technical review for you guys.

The only thing that I don't like about this car now? Its noticeable engine noise. Apart from that, it is a really beautiful car, well-designed, and make people turn around when you drive pass them. Ride and handling is superb, as expected from Proton/Lotus, and I really enjoyed riding it when I melalui selekoh-selekoh tajam.

To be honest, I am still a wee bit skeptical with the quality of a proton product, but I am willing to give it the benefit of doubt, at least this time around. I hope it won't disappoint me.

I will write more when I find something interesting/faulty about this car.

This post has been edited by Mr Gray: Sep 6 2013, 12:10 AM

Try the engine mounting DIY mod, done on a lot Preve. And perhaps the german sausages mod too.