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post Aug 17 2013, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 16 2013, 08:20 PM)
NAP policy favors CKD vendors, not proton.  Most CKD cars have similar excise duty like proton already.  NAP policy is to protect the cronies.  Which include all car companies.
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post Aug 17 2013, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Aug 17 2013, 10:03 PM)
200 million is not enough to develop a car from scratch.  Perodua myvi cost 220million. That is rebagde. Not much RnD going on.  But 220 million.

Proton is much cost effective in developing car from scratch. Preve is 300 million. Suprima is 200 million.

As i said, RnD grant is normal practice. In fact, if the goverment really sincer in protecting proton, they should give more to Proton.

You should imagine how can proton sell at lower price if they do not have economies of scale. All parts for proton is costlier than Toyota. 

This is why Proton is not cheap, but they trying to make it cheap just for the sake of people asking 'national car price'.  So, that is why get a cheap car at the expense of quality.
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Yup. RnD grant for all truly malaysian owned company. Not only P1, but extend to other company and products. I always support. In fact many country do this. thumbup.gif
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post Aug 18 2013, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 18 2013, 09:27 PM)
means problem at launch of vios
close 1 eye tak nampak
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in bolehland.

Problems in japs car are:

1, owner problems
2, small percentages of SA problems.
3, The car no problem except the rare lemon units. Again is owner bad luck.
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post Aug 18 2013, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(_H20_ @ Aug 18 2013, 10:47 PM)
I bet that service interval is still 5k. If 10k shall be very good improvement.
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SAGA BLM oredi 10k man....

I do believe Preve is 10k as well. So does this.
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post Aug 19 2013, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Aug 18 2013, 11:17 PM)
but doubt engine oil can last 10k km on turbo engine...
even though engine oil can last 10k km, but oil filter may not last for 10k km...
engine may kong faster if oil filter clogged...
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That is why, go to proton SC to do service. Anything happen, claim from them.

If u drive other car, also the same, go to authorized SC.
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post Aug 19 2013, 02:49 PM

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wow...

conti car owner wants to compare with preve to show how powderful that conti car.... tongue.gif

why conti tak mau compare dengan conti.....?? hmm.gif

proton in the right direction?? or conti dah jatuh standard?? hmm.gif

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post Aug 19 2013, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(blu3 @ Aug 19 2013, 02:55 PM)
Oh no bro. I never dare to compare.. If my previous message mentioned compare with S I belanja you makan TT

I just said its turbo can be better

Nanti I kena pancung kepala lol
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Off course everything can become better... brother.

If you compare Nissan 1.5L, Toyata 1.5L & Honda 1.5L, all also have different torque and HP.

So the loser can not make car???? biggrin.gif

If you are saying P1 SOFT turbo not good enough, then is fine. You just don buy, anywhere you are in conti standard, why you brother about P1 standard.

A Nike lover also enjoy window shopping in Bata shop for Power jogging shoes??? And come out from that Bata shop just to tell everybody how good is his/her nike shoes IF COMPARE WITH POWER.... hmm.gif

People here is more concern about what are the improvement compare to their previous model. Again everything still can be improved.
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post Aug 19 2013, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 19 2013, 03:13 PM)
It should be a 320i F30
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If true he must be too free today..... biggrin.gif
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post Aug 19 2013, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(dexmonata @ Aug 19 2013, 03:20 PM)
What is wrong when proton mention the turbo in suprima? It is true..either it slower than other turbo car or not is different story...i can see the proton direction now..even the owner of new conti brand also butthurt with a new proton..well done..
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Because....

Conti owner with bini kecil having japs car complain....

Bini Kecil: bang....aku nak kereta conti macam bang....... P1 pun dah ada 5 bintang ANCAP dan turbo enjine takan bang nak saya pandu kereta basic jepun... bang dah tak sayang aku sekarang.... cry.gif cry.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif cry.gif cry.gif mad.gif mad.gif

LOL.... Juz for LOL... not against conti owner.

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post Aug 19 2013, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 19 2013, 04:01 PM)
It's the perception. That's something very hard to change.

People still have a very poor impression of Proton
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Continue effort is needed. They should target the current SAGA owner to upgrade their car with another proton in future.

Those older generation with unhappy memory with P1 are hard to target.
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post Aug 19 2013, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(face @ Aug 19 2013, 04:48 PM)
sincerely just out of curiosity, why are we paying that much for a proton ? would it be for the engine ? design ? what's the different between this car n the rest of the proton ? why not at a lower price ?
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mind to share you are comparing the price with which model?
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post Aug 19 2013, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Aug 19 2013, 08:35 PM)
but then proton has stop cooperating with mitsubishi, have to use lancer spare parts in future unless it is inspira own customised parts (have to go for potong parts)
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since the inspira / lancer population is not that low, those spare parts shops will keep spares (from Mitsubishi/proton) as long as can sell. Same like current forte, spare parts is not really an issue if you compare to those day korean car.
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post Aug 20 2013, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(kevintth @ Aug 20 2013, 01:16 PM)
I am wondering... why so many ppl hates Proton so much?

Which model that actually give ppl facing trouble with so many lousy quality issues??? Or because of political issues? Pricing issues?
Power windows failure… my dad Iswara power windows run well what after so many years!
Owned a Sagal FL.. No major trouble like some of u guys say have to visit SC frequently… power windows still running well.. .
Sigh… One bad word about Proton can spread into ppl mind so easy! But those good offer by Proton they never accept or change it easily lolx…
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1, ppl think without p1, other car price will drop.
2, ppl think only p1 is koni.
3, ppl think only p1 subconds are koni.
4, yup. politic. why need politician to lauch new model??? doh.gif
5, quality and design. but not as bad as those ppl saying.....
6, those day arrogant SC and SA. I think they have improved since DSZ time. Still believe they sre some bad apple left....

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post Aug 24 2013, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Aug 24 2013, 12:39 AM)
It will be a shame if Proton spends all that money to acquire the Petronas engine but end up being kept in a locker somewhere in the R&D Dept., not seeing the light of day ... Heard that the engine is promising, please Proton put it in your new cars after this pls ...
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To purchase a complete engine design from petronas at RM 6X mil is at discount. In fact I believe the actual cost is even higher. As far as I know, the non turbo version of this engine is with relative high HP but the max torque at high rpm as well. It is not so city driving friendly where the max torque is at lower rpm is preferred.

I believe p1 buy that design is to shorten their new engine design time. They could base on the data in petronas engine and further improve the engine to make it a more suitable for normal passenger car and lower down the fc of the engine. smile.gif
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post Sep 5 2013, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Sep 5 2013, 07:42 PM)
So the Suprima should be sold at RM60k to gain back the market share then?

Like you said, if Inspira and Exora was a success, meaning more Malaysians accept the brand, then why shouldn't Proton try to offer more and at the same time price it higher? Do you expect Proton to sell every car big and small under RM70k forever?

They are selling a C-sedan at RM74k and a fully-kitted C-hatch at RM80k, and you have already positioned their C-segs against other B-segs. I don't know how much goodwill do you expect from Proton.

Perhaps Proton should just go back to full time rebadging other cars and sell them cheap. I don't think any amount of goodwill will please Malaysians.
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It is always good for a company to continue to produce higher end product and selling at high price. By continue to rebadge and rebadge will not make the country progress.

I hate the NAP and cronyism in bolehland, but in this case, P1 produce a higher end product should be heading to the right direction. Hope not only P1, other malaysian companies that produce other products will continue to improve their products and technology.

 

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