Don't you forget VIOS is priced that way becos of the MIGHTY TAX. Take away the tax u think at the price we cannot get all those accessories? Proton is homegrown mate. And just one more thing, how come Proton is selling its cars cheapers overseas????

SPOT ON!!

http://www.livelifedrive.com/malaysia/news...laysia---part-1

Imported cars are generally priced higher because of our national cars. Read it.

This post has been edited by giovanni: Aug 17 2013, 08:56 PM

Are you serious mate?

No vested interest in Vios in whatever way. I would have bought CKD Honda Jazz myself given the price. I am not buying any new car anytime soon. Am driving a family 16 years old Toyota second handed junk at the moment. Just saying the cars here are priced higher becos of our national cars that's all. I am not willing to buy new car to feed the cronies. Just my two cents

If you care to read it properly, you will know that there is such a thing called subsidies/rebates which is enjoyed by our national carmakers for their so called R&D work. Essentially they pay less excise duty. Furthermore, non-national carmakers priced their cars higher in Malaysia market to garner the premium feel which adds to the relatively higher prices.

This post has been edited by giovanni: Aug 17 2013, 09:32 PM

Dude can you be anymore crude than this?

Actually you just echoed what I said previously. If it's not clear enough, then should I say the grant is given as an R&D incentive which is essentially used to offset the tax. That is how proton can price its car at its current market prices (which is already not cheap).

This post has been edited by giovanni: Aug 17 2013, 10:00 PM

I know what you meant mate. Don't factor such thing (raping by a certain race during WW2) into our healthy forum. It's just a discussion. I stand corrected for my view here.

Actually it's the chicken and egg story again. You can't say it's not becos of the tax. You see, our gov imposed those taxes on all carmakers but smartly give the R&D incentive to our local carmakers to offset the said tax. It may look fair from one angle and unfair from another.

Morever, why the high excise tax in the first place? So now the foreign carmakers have excuses to jack up their prices and with the tax imposed on them you don't need me to elaborate further

I understand where you are coming from. But they have been protected for far too long to not have achieved something they should have by today. If they have done well, they could have achieved the economic scale of production which would lower the manufacturing cost.

I still could not get over the quality control issues plaguing their previous cars and the very public statement made by its director

Quality too low, Savvy production stopped.

(Kuala Lumpur 26 Jun) Proton announced that the company will stop producing Savvy, which has been in the market for almost 7 years, claiming that the compact car is tarnishing the company's image due to the extremely poor quality.

Proton's Managing Director Dato' Seri Syed Zainal described Proton Waja 1.8L and Savvy 1.2L produced from the collaboration with Renault as a painful lesson.

Launched in Jun 2005, Savvy is to take over the Tiara as Proton's new compact car model.

Savvy's quality tarnishing company's image.

Syed Zainal admits that Proton's car have quality problems, the decision to retire Savvy is because SAvvy's quality is tarnishing Proton's image.

Syed Zainal told reporters when attending 2011 GLC Open Day that retiring Savvy does not mean the model is defective, Proton also will not recall all the Savvy that are sold.

Savvy is using the Renault made D4F engine while Waja 1.8L is using F4P engine but owners of the vehicle has been complaining about the problems that had, today a participants inquire Syed Zainal about the complains, hoping that Proton pay attention to the issue.

Customer complains are decreasing

Syed Zainal pointed out that Proton is not a flawless company but the complains they received for the past 5 years has been decreasing.

He stated that when some Malaysians criticize the quality of Proton cars, it is all based on their own personal impression and rumors, some of them never even drive a Proton before.

He mentioned that Proton cannot be blamed for the problems with Proton cars because all the parts are supplied by suppliers.

"Please do not put the blame on Proton, Proton makes 700 cars per day, that's 1 car every 98 seconds, we do not have the time to check on Proton parts."

Earlier, Syed Zainal Abidin in his speech mentioned that Proton will emphasise on "Cheap selling price with cheap maintenance parts" principle to prevent having problems with expensive parts for cheap cars.

He stated that proton has been planning to move the company's market to foreign country. The target is to increase Proton's foreign market share to 72% by 2016. Currently foreign and local market are equal.

"UAE, India, China and Middle Eastern country is our targeted foreign market."

Syed Zainal stated that Proton is facing a shortage of qualified personnels instead of planning and funding when moving to foreign market.

Oriental Sauce
Cannot find English/Malay version of this.

It's a good start I must agree. I hope my view towards Proton will change with time. I think the core issue to address is cronyism.

Sorry mate, the tax is passed down to end users like you and I.

Agreed. The old products are really bring shame to our country. Look at what Top Gear UK said about our previous models. I must say I was quite disturbed by their comments when I saw it previously.
http://www.topgear.com/uk/proton

Vios J is sucky no doubt. I think Kia Rio is nice at its price.

What if your company is directed to get parts from another crony company at an inflated price and the CEO or director being a Yes man obliged? I am not saying this happens to Proton. I am just saying it happens in Malaysia.

This post has been edited by giovanni: Aug 17 2013, 10:45 PM

I have to reiterate on the fact that whatever excise duty imposed on the car will see the car price being inflated to factor this tax in where we, the end users will pay for it. The company might not absorb all of it.

I am nobody's boy just fyi. I also like Honda Jazz and Peugot 308. I look at cars but I don't buy them cos they are expensive. Trust me if it's cheap I would buy straightaway. The old car that I am using have cellophane tape on its front bumper just to prevent it from falling off.

I was looking at cars when I got back from UK but decided against buying one becos I think they are expensive. That's when I loan an old car from my bro (my current cellophane taped car).

Sorry mate you got it half correct only. They have tax brackets like here in Malaysia. If you earn below 32K pounds perannum you are only tax 20% for that amount. If you earn beyond that, your first 32K are taxed 20% and the remainder 40%. 45% for the next band and so on and so forth. So it's not like u get taxed 50% straightaway. Need I say the government services and general benefits are so much better there? (I will leave that for another topic).

Now I don't know about the 12 months bonus thingy. If tax is reduced their profit margin may remain relatively the same cause they don't earn the tax. The gov does.