I don't like the name for few reasons:
1. Preve already proven brand. Just put Preve HB and people will understand. It is a Preve with a HB body. Unless the Preve name is detrimental, I don't see the need to make a new brand name and the campaign to make the brand recognised again.
2. If there is a Suprima S, is there a Suprima? People will think about this. S = Sport? So there is a Suprima C (comfort), Suprima N (Neutral)

I see.

I don't think people are mad. It is just about continuity. If BMW makes a a new 1 series HB, called it 8 series, people will complain. Makes no sense.

So this car is buatan juniors?

I thought someone mentioned 7" HU unit with android capability?

Steering no paddle shift? Maybe this is the midrange unit as dash looks plain to me. Also notice there are no more chrome trims at the buttons next to the LCD screen.

Thanks for that.

Now, if compare with preve specs:
http://protonpreve.com/pricing.php

Sedan acceleration is faster, 9.1 vs 9.6 secs
Sedan weighs less
Sedan 4 airbag vs 6 airbag.

Got DRL some more. I always thought hatchbacks weighed less than sedan.

A lot of people will go for the Premium version.

Premium has:
Reverse camera
Front+ rear parking sensor. (Now P drivers can park cars with ease, rather than ramming vehicle into other people)
DRL
Hill hold assist
Auto climate control
Auto headlamps
2 extra tweeters
Leather seats
Leather door trim
Leather steering wheel
17" wheels.
Auto fold mirrors
Auto cruise
Auto front wiper

You get a lot for RM 3k difference Executive vs Premium on HB model.

If you book a preve now, better cancel order and buy the HB Premium unless you need the massive boot. CFE RM73k, this one RM80k, so better weigh the RM7k difference. Engine output seems the same, thought not sure about the ECU mapping though. Not mention there.

Also you get android Navi system and looks like 7" panel If can put waze, google maps there, no need to put ugly suction cup on dash/window and hook phone there. I'm guessing this is the Clarion Android unit. If true, then Proton quite advance using Android as base OS. Most car makers have their own OS for ICE with limited ios support.
What does this integrated DSP thingy do?

Do you need Hill Hold assist for Auto car? I thought once you put into P< car is lock, put into D, car moves forward. On a hill, if put in N, then I think car will go backwards.

I know what it does. Usually comes in manual transmission because longer in neutral gear. In Auto, not sure why it is there, since you are not in N that long.

Thinking about it, at RM80k, it is actually reasonable value, tough people discussing the same topic in the kopitiam all say overprice

Proton now following the Kia/Hyundai model of the early 2000s. Give tons of stuff with extended warranty. Kia/Hyundai have moved on to directly fighting car makes for same market share. 5 years warranty is good enough for me. If problems cannot be fixed within first 3 years, then there is an inherent design flaw, so give 20 years also cannot fix.

The only thing left is to wait for the reviews. Especially the driving characteristics. Engine noise, sluggishness, pickup voiced by those with the CFE variant. If all cured, then I don't see any logic reason why would you buy the standard CFE over the HB model (unless you really need the boot space and hate the HB rear looks). Wait for the sedan goes through it's midlife facelift, then the sedan can be seen on par with the HB. What you see in the HB Premium, will cross over to the Sedan + whatever faults they find on the HB during its midlife facelift. Preve facelift 2014?

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Aug 15 2013, 08:29 PM

It is impossible to get cheaper mods that can make Executive>Premium under 3k.

Say you can trade in rims, stock rims, RM500 extra. Or maybe you can get free rims from inspira who decided to change it. Same rims.
Who is going to trade leather for fabric seats?
Can't put aftermarket Hill hold assist IIANM
Side airbags. Can't install aftermarket also.

The rest can be added for under RM3k.

I see. Thanks.

The extended warranty bit. Technology has not caught up at that time. ABS, on Merc S class.

RM13k....then need to think back

Can put sim card in it? So what is the point of Android, if cannot update maps. I thought proton say, "no need to update map" in the brochure.

Also, how is the leather trim on the Premium version you test drove?

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Aug 17 2013, 02:07 PM

Ada wifi. This is good. Time jam at KL, can check email, put status update, play candy crush

From paultan:
http://s5.paultan.org/image/2013/08/proton...ima-android.jpg
http://s5.paultan.org/image/2013/08/proton...ooklet-0006.jpg

So you put the sim card next to the "connectivity" part is it? Android is skin version, not stock version. I have no idea which version they use also.

Second picture: Side airbag, from front to back?

Thanks

Sempat nanti check.

Nak tau:
Android ni perlu sim card baru ke tak? Boleh install apps sendiri ke tak? Kalau dah ada Android HU yang connect ke internet (3G), kenapa dia bagi yes 3G wifi jugak? Ke Android HU ni wifi unit, tether ke yes 3g or phone untuk dapat data connectivity?

Rasa tunggu orang reda sikit baru gi test drive

Cuti raya extend dengan cuti sekolah lagi ni. Tak kuasa nak keluar rumah

Say to uncle, old days, people ride car, no seatbelt, no roof, no wiper, no horn, no radio. Need to get out of car, go to front and turn rachet to start car

I see. I don't want to root it, just want to install drive related apps. Google maps/navigation, waze. Those kind of things. Cannot depend on just one map for all the source. Also cannot only use waze alone without google navi and vice versa. Also, if you root the radio unit, you loose the function to control other stuff on the car...if it is controlled by the HU unit. I guess the reverse camera comes out there. Also audio controls come out there. I think after 1 year, someone will root it, provide the android apk, then provide stock with ability to install apps

Paultan updated blog: http://paultan.org/2013/08/17/proton-supri...hback-launched/
Speaking about hacking:



Hard plastic, then should be the same with preve right? I'm guessing the leather is taken from a current proton car. Need to see to determine which one.

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Aug 17 2013, 06:45 PM

If you can tell me which car not related to cronies, I too will buy that car, if it is worth it

All cars related to crony laa, only big or small crony. In bolehland, no crony inside car company = no business. ETC also got crony in it. Honda also with DRB. UMW Toyota. All other small brands, Naza sapu. Even when Naza started, did not have crony, now you see got crony marriage Also, if outside car company don't have crony also want crony because it makes paperwork "easier".

Rebates gone long time ago. R&D grants. Normal. Everyone does it. Japan does it. German does it. heck, even UK does it to keep the car manufacturing plants in UK.

If you want to compare proton to other car makers, then you also need to compare the achievements at the same timeline. Cannot compare something 30 years old, with something 50 years old or 70 years old. That is an unfair comparison. Of course Toyota, Ford, or Kia will always win. They been doing it since ages past. If you compare against Chrysler, I say proton is in better shape. Same way, you cannot compare China cars with Proton. Proton will win. Proton more mature. I don't see tons of people buying Cherry even though cheaper and sometimes more features than dugong.

If you compare Kia/Hyundai to Toyota, at the same timeline, then Kia more successful because it is now seriously challenging Toyota for market share.

I think this topic should help explain a bit.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2802804/+20

I'll tell you a well known secret. All governments which have car making plant are at the mercy of the car company. You see, when multinational companies enter a country saying "we will setup manufacturing plant here", it means that: the government of that country has given them 0% or very low tax of any kind for a set amount of years. Some go as far as giving them incentives to come.

Why is this done? If a company makes shop here, people get jobs. When people get jobs, they can eat, not go rioting like Greece. When people have jobs, politicians are happy as people will vote for them again. So country loose income from tax, but in essence the money lost there, is given indirectly in jobs to people. If gomen stop giving incentives, car makers will just close shop and open shop at another country. Simple as that.


This one, unavoidable. All new cars will be higher. No more Honda Prelude low type car. Part of it is to due with pedestrian safety. The front of the car height must be about waist area, so that when hit pedestrian, bones don't break. Part of it is also for accessibility. Getting out of a prelude is harder for a 70 year old person than say a myvi.

By making a car higher also you get more car volume. In fact even the new Swift is higher than old Swift. Same with mini. Looks almost same, but higher due to safety requirement. Can make the car lower, at a cost of NCAP stars.

I am afraid that as we go further in the future, we are going to drive cars that will have seating more like dining table chairs, rather than F1 style seating.

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Aug 17 2013, 10:56 PM

Oh that one. My mistake

Chinese government have stronger protection for their car makers, yet people still go to china because of the market. No car maker in the world has a level playing field. Local makes will always be given prefernce. Japan, Korea will give preference to their cars. BMW price their cars expensive, but their market is export, hence even their people use Kia.

Also, no government in the world is idiotic to put their industry out to die. Lets say you remove everything for Proton, level playing field. Proton compete, but then people still will not buy proton because now can buy cheaper dugong. Why buy proton since dugong cheaper now. Proton dies out like Chrysler. Now, if you are a politician, making policies, how are you going to face 30k odd proton workers (including manufacturing parts, service, etc) saying, because I want cheaper dugong made by JAPS or THAIS, I rather see 30k MALAYSIAN workers merempat. 30k workers got families, got sedara-mara. As stupid as politicians are, they are not that stupid to loose voters.

Same thing with MAS, same with Petronas. Will always get better treatment. Every country does this. If you don't do this, then you yourself will merempat. Lets say, that you have nothing to do with auto industry, working as grocery shop/hardware shop/own business. So now, you have 30k MALAYSIANS jobless, who is going to buy at your shop/use your facilities.

That is why during Malaysian economic crisis, Tun M say-spend spend. IMF idiot say, keep-keep. Logically when in crisis, you keep money to build revenue. However, if money does not circulate, economy will cripple. If everyone stopped going to McD because of crisis for 1 year, that shop will close. When I got the 3 gen's past accord 2.0 year 2000. Honda so desperate, they put in accessories you cannot find now. Bodylex massger, wood trim, parking pole, Vkool, can put downpayment with credit card some more, fog light and some sort of skyactive guard for 5 years. All free included in price. This was still during economic crisis. Then in 2002, economy got better, honda stopped giving bodylex massager, wood trim, parking pole. Even radio also aftermarket. Fog light not included. Seats don't have cloth cover. Forget skyactive.

If you want to get best value car, see which car comes with the most accessories, and balance with the brand value. As I see it, my new current gen 2010 Accord has less stuff compared to the 2000 Accord. Vkool was factory tinted. Now need to go tint yourself. Skyactiv, no more there. Massage seats-can forget it. When car makers are desperate, they put a lot of stuff. That is why cherry got tons of stuff, people still don't buy because brand value worse than proton. Honda, Nissan, Toyota give so little now because people rate the brand value too high. That is consumer's fault.

At the way Toyota, Honda and to an extent Nissan swindling consumers giving little stuff, I don't see my next car will be an Accord. Then again, it may be a rebadge Accord Kia/Hyundai considered good value as they have tons of stuff. I bet you that if Kia/Hyundai are at H, T and N position, they and H, T, and N at K/H position, H, T and N will give more stuff to consumers.

So, in your quest to have "fair and level playing field" for car makers, you are actually not being fair to your own people working in your own country. So i quote Tun M said: "Free trade can be fair, but Fair trade cannot be free". I don't want Malaysia to be like Indonesia with the huge income disparity or like EU and UK now, all bankrupt because all buy from China but China don't buy back from them.

Please read the link I gave and the pages following that. Then got problem ask back. I don't want to write same thing over and over again.

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Aug 17 2013, 11:58 PM

I have a secret weapon. It is called: Microsoft Ergonomic 4000 keyboard . Been using this for 5 years now. I That and my Logitech M705, gives me superman powers

Been using Ergonomic products since Microsoft Comfort 2000. once you use that, so hard to go back standard keyboard. Cannot use ambidexter mouse also, need to be right handed sculptured, if not hands will suffer. I used normal mouse for 3 months, got blister-since my job involves me sitting and using PC a lot. I don't want to get RSI at 50 years old

My philosophy is simple. Don't skimp on material you use to eat, wear and touch and surrounding area. If not will injure yourself. Then you need to spend more money and time on medication stuff which was unavoidable in the first place.

If a car was my home, I would have bought a BMW and slept in it. But a car is outside the house, in the sun, kena bird shit somemore. Kena langgar, calar. Why need to spend that much money on something that still gets stuck in the same traffic jam.

http://paultan.org/2013/08/17/proton-supri...-s-launch-0071/

From this picture, we see the rear LED guide lamp. It is like an upside down "L" shape. What is the small space below the signal indicator and reverse light?

Here is a clearer picture:
http://paultan.org/2013/08/17/proton-supri...-s-launch-0067/

The red colour. Is it brake light or reflector? It would have been cool if the upside down "L" becomes "C" shape. I'm guessing there will soon be a mod for this.

Yes, this one.

For those who don't know. Google change the T&C with Android 4.0 onwards. That is why Kindle fire is also using version 2.x. It is no longer that "open" as before 4.0

Yes, unless hard lock, which I doubt. But even then can still root. Just need to find micro usb port, do some tests, backup all apps and current OS. Then wipe, put 4.0, then put back the apps. The 2.x android version is the highest anyone can used without being sued by google for using outside intended use. Mean time, can also remove the limited access to some apps which can only be used when the handbrake is on.

Only problem I see is, if the usb port is located at the back, need to open dash to access it. Cannot do it on the fly. Wait one year, I'm sure some mod shop already selling better model. I want google maps and waze, not lokatoo.

I am not sure if this will void the 5 year warranty though.

Seen the car during lunch hour, no time to test. That one, next time.

My thoughts after visiting biggest KB showroom:
1. Leather seat is standard merc leather seat, which is good. Been in few mercs overseas. I think one grade higher than SNR3. need to confirm with mat79 I sat there 2 mins at front seat, feel can sleep. Not slippery. Very comfortable. Could not detect which Proton model the seats came from. Rear seats are new design. Front seat, not sure.
2. Finally rear leather seats that don't require you to cabut the headrest to make it lay flat. Last time my savvy need to open headrest, then can make it layflast. Some car makers do a slightly simple version where the headrest can fold forwards to fold.
3. Signs of wear and tear at glovebox hinge (after opening glovebox). This one can only be caused by someone viewing the car who did not lift the handle and more like tried to yank it open. Still surprised it is still firm. Glove box opens slowly, not directly open, sign of premium.
4. I still think "C" shape better than "L" shape rear lights, but the missing piece is used for the reflector. That is personal preference. Can live with "L" and "C". I think within a year, there will be aftermarket selling "C" shape.
5. Rear seats almost as big as Preve, did not feel small. Centre console does the job well.
6. Boot is actually quite big for hatchback.
7. No other fit and finishing issues like the picture at centre console. The side panel at the airbags have very minor inconsistencies, unless you look very very carefully not going to see it.
8. Seatbelt have fix height. Not changeable height like Perdana, 1st gen Savvy. Height set at "middle" setting equivalent for adjustable seatbelt. Not an issue if you already been in Preve.
9. Leather trim goes to gear, brake shifter, wheel. Finally a proton steering wheel which I enjoy touching without needing to go to an accessory shop to get those aftermarket covers. Better than the Inspira P, or the Perdana V6. The wheel itself has not changed, only the material used. I dare say even better than the Accord 2.0 which has no leather wheel.
10. That piano trim is love/hate issue. Fingerprint magnet. Aside from that, I don't see any issue. Proton directly copied the idea from the Golf MK7, which I don't mind at all. Paddle shift nice "click" to it. Inspira/CFE paddles look dull in comparison. Steering wheel is just height adjustable and not telescopic.
11. Nice two tone rims. I am very surprised if someone changes this for aftermarket rims. 17" wheels are what the Sedan needs. Now you can say wheel match with arch.
12. The silver dashboard is better compared to the light brown material used. In fact CFE also seems not that good, though I suspect that is more towards colour tone issue. You cannot just have one slab of "wood colour" trim for the dash and not continue to the doors like the Preve. It gives a sense of cheapness and upsets the colour balance of the car. That is why BMW have matching colour sets for doors as well.
11. Roof lining, dash buttons, autocruise, similar with Preve, Inspira as far back as the 1st gen Perdana (for autocruise button) and like all other cars. I forgot to see the mirror adjuster buttons. If same as Preve, then it has been the same since the first gen perdana as well.
12. I saw 3 hooks. 2 at side pillar for rear passenger, one at centre console for front passenger. Not sure if there are more.
13. Did not try the Android HU. Car was not on.

Conclusion:
Overall fit and finish is better than Preve. I already had the suspicion that HB will be better than sedan, but difference is glaring. Preve CFE seems like beta version, and this is ver1.0. Which begs the question, why was this not on Preve in the first place? This also enforces the notion that the best value proton car is the facelift version. Technically the HB is a Sedan facelift with a shorter boot. I bet you can buy this car without even worrying the faults. For those who can wait even longer for sedan facelift, then it is safe buy. All bugs reported by the current Preve owners. Unless you need the boot, I will give the HB a very serious look. I can understand the HB is heavier, slower, more fuel but additional airbags, leather seats, 1" rim size up will affect the weight. Only thing going for the sedan ATM is the Rm3k+ rebate over its standard 72k price. That may be a factor.

Going forward for future models, as long Proton pay attention to the steering wheel, seat, gear, brake lever, and areas where the driver actually touch, they can get away at using the same roof lining for all their cars. No one will notice that. The HB makes my accord look bad. Makes the perdana at home feel like some China car product with hard plastic everywhere. I bet you if you brought someone blindfold, they say they were not in a proton car, based on interior touch alone. I can see a lot of happy HB owners who buy the car and keep it stock. Only thing is to do the test drive. Will do it next month onwards. Need to go with a friend. Try rear seats as well.

The HB Excutive will only come sometime November or was it September, forgot what SA told me. Too busy enjoying the car and too busy trying to find faults which was not there.

On another note, the Proton salesman confirmed with me that Hong Leong bank already wants 20% DP for car. Someone already mention in this thread. For this car, you will need RM16k for it-if going with Hong Leong. Other banks coming soon I here, despite BNM insist on its FB site not coming. Even the SA fully supports the 20% so that people will default less. In fact, 3/4 of the time he spent talking to me about the DP issue, as I wanted him to stop talking about the car and raised that 20% so that I can concentrate on the car and not some DP.