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post Nov 15 2010, 03:01 PM, updated 14y ago

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Well, as per above..

which one do you prefer?

I'm torn in between also, since both pricing nearly the same. 80-90k.

Inspira
Pros
spacious
engine and exterior material = mitsubishi
price worth the money spent

Cons
after sales service = proton
compromise on the interior quality

Forte
Pros
Price worth the money spent on the features offered
support by kia (assuming better than proton)

Cons
smaller compare to inspira
heard will consume more petrol after few years if no tuning done to the engine
lower resell value compare to inspira
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post Nov 15 2010, 03:04 PM

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inspira pros = got 2.0L ver within 90k price range

my vote.. inspira... my preference:

1] Europe brand
2] US Brand
3] Proton
4] Japs (other than T&H)

other from d list... out of my consideration...
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post Nov 15 2010, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(luckykid5 @ Nov 15 2010, 03:01 PM)
Well, as per above..

which one do you prefer?

I'm torn in between also, since both pricing nearly the same. 80-90k.

Inspira
Pros
spacious
engine and exterior material = mitsubishi
price worth the money spent

Cons
after sales service = proton
compromise on the interior quality

Forte
Pros
Price worth the money spent on the features offered
support by kia (assuming better than proton)

Cons
smaller compare to inspira (spacious la)
heard will consume more petrol after few years if no tuning done to the engine (who told you this?)
lower resell value compare to inspira
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enough say u go for test drive. and ask bout con when u have decide which one attract u most.
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QUOTE(omara86 @ Nov 15 2010, 03:04 PM)
inspira pros = got 2.0L ver within 90k price range

my vote.. inspira... my preference:

1] Europe brand
2] US Brand
3] Proton
4] Japs (other than T&H)

other from d list... out of my consideration...
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Forte also have 2.0L...=.=, why dont u mention it as well? hmm.gif
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post Nov 15 2010, 03:18 PM

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Inspira carry proton name is sux, forte carry korean name even more sux..

If choose one, then go for Inspira for Lancer technology + paddle shift + cheaper parts (compare to korean) + more potential to mod..


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post Nov 15 2010, 03:26 PM

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let me answer for u all ..

Proton Fans : "Inspira all the way"
Forte Fans : "Forte ! .. better then sucky proton"
Anti Proton Fans : "Hell to proton .. Forte better"
Lancer Fans : "Buy Forte, dun buy copy cat proton"

..... and the stories goes on ..
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post Nov 15 2010, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Nov 15 2010, 03:26 PM)
let me answer for u all ..

Proton Fans : "Inspira all the way"
Forte Fans : "Forte ! .. better then sucky proton"
Anti Proton Fans : "Hell to proton .. Forte better"
Lancer Fans : "Buy Forte, dun buy copy cat proton"

..... and the stories goes on ..
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+1, this will be a never ending argument. Just test drive both and pick what u want.
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post Nov 15 2010, 03:32 PM

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laugh.gif ....just go and test drive.....feel which is the best...then put the booking...
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QUOTE(neko_neko @ Nov 15 2010, 03:15 PM)
Forte also have 2.0L...=.=, why dont u mention it as well? hmm.gif
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owh...i dunno that forte got 2.0L also... sry for wrong info... ekekeke
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QUOTE(luckykid5 @ Nov 15 2010, 03:01 PM)
Well, as per above..

which one do you prefer?

I'm torn in between also, since both pricing nearly the same. 80-90k.

Inspira
Pros
spacious
engine and exterior material = mitsubishi (For the first batch only)
price worth the money spent = (of courselah, compared to ori lancer)

Cons
after sales service = proton
compromise on the interior quality (we sit inside the car, not outside or on top of roof)

Forte
Pros
Price worth the money spent on the features offered
support by kia (assuming better than proton)

Cons
smaller compare to inspira (please check the spec first)
heard will consume more petrol after few years if no tuning done to the engine (This is Kia with old model engine, not the forte, OK)
lower resell value compare to inspira (as far I know nowadays p1 cars got lower sale value than p2....somemore this is a 3 years old model, I mean lancer)
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The engines for both (i mean for 2.0) are developed under the GEMA, which was a joint venture of Chrysler, Mitsubishi Motors, and Hyundai Motor Company for developing a line of shared engines.

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post Nov 15 2010, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(Adin @ Nov 15 2010, 03:28 PM)
+1, this will be a never ending argument. Just test drive both and pick what u want.
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And a never ending stupid comments like "Inspira FTW" thats all comment. Inspira-fans,Kopitiam-ers, you don't get additional post counts for that.

Inspira is like buying a pirated DVD. It's not a proudly own-designed car. Only GEN2,Persona,Satria Neo are like home-breed designs.

I am not going to vote for any of them in this poll. Enough said. Surely the poll for INSPIRA is higher because of forumer's support for the pirated-copy car.
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QUOTE(luckykid5 @ Nov 15 2010, 03:01 PM)
Well, as per above..

which one do you prefer?

I'm torn in between also, since both pricing nearly the same. 80-90k.

Inspira
Pros
spacious
engine and exterior material = mitsubishi
price worth the money spent

Cons
after sales service = proton
compromise on the interior quality

Forte
Pros
Price worth the money spent on the features offered
support by kia (assuming better than proton)

Cons
smaller compare to inspira
heard will consume more petrol after few years if no tuning done to the engine
lower resell value compare to inspira
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just go for inspira...
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post Nov 15 2010, 03:38 PM

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why the engine performance seems so weak. this is not mitsu engine right? i think the petrol comsuption is superb for this car, becareful
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post Nov 15 2010, 03:40 PM

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i will wait for the hyundai avante then decide

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Nov 15 2010, 03:37 PM)
And a never ending stupid comments like "Inspira FTW" thats all comment. Inspira-fans,Kopitiam-ers, you don't get additional post counts for that.

Inspira is like buying a pirated DVD. It's not a proudly own-designed car. Only GEN2,Persona,Satria Neo are like home-breed designs.

I am not going to vote for any of them in this poll. Enough said. Surely the poll for INSPIRA is higher because of forumer's support for the pirated-copy car.
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Calm down bro. The result is expected...like you said. TS should put in more similar class car in poll.


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QUOTE(underworld @ Nov 15 2010, 03:40 PM)
i will wait for the hyundai avante then decide
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Wise decision.. rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(ADVAN @ Nov 15 2010, 03:18 PM)
Inspira carry proton name is sux, forte carry korean name even more sux..

If choose one, then go for Inspira for Lancer technology + paddle shift + cheaper parts (compare to korean) + more potential to mod..
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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Nov 15 2010, 03:37 PM)
And a never ending stupid comments like "Inspira FTW" thats all comment. Inspira-fans,Kopitiam-ers, you don't get additional post counts for that.

Inspira is like buying a pirated DVD. It's not a proudly own-designed car. Only GEN2,Persona,Satria Neo are like home-breed designs.

I am not going to vote for any of them in this poll. Enough said. Surely the poll for INSPIRA is higher because of forumer's support for the pirated-copy car.
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u judging it wrongly friend. inspira is not pirated copy, it's a colaboration between mitsubishi and proton. proton did not steal it like a pirate and ask mitsu to walk the plank. i am not proton supporter but just get the fact right.

anyway both are 1.6/1.8/2.0 car at a sub 100k car. to put it easier, something is wrong somewhere, hence the low price.

previous experience thaught me well not to go anywhere near proton anymore. after sales service, well, mediocre. and naza, i heard their service are up to no good either.

well, go figure.
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post Nov 15 2010, 03:54 PM

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Inspira CVT or Avante DSG.

I heard rumors that next Forte got DSG.
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forte 1.6 vs inspira 1.8 - inspira wins
forte 2.0 vs inspira 2.0 - forte wins
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post Nov 15 2010, 04:07 PM

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Mitsubishi engine & Mitsubishi gearbox > Korean engine & gearbox. enough said.

Inspira is a copy cat car, in other words.. a rebadged Mitsubishi. the car was engineered by Mitsubishi.. assembled by Proton.. the only issues you'll face would be fit and finish, as well as the interior parts..

Proton's fit and finish has improved a lot... and considering the interior is same as Mitsubishi..i don't see much issues with it.

p/s: i'm anti proton by the way, and i drive a perodua. but i am just saying facts.

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QUOTE(ADVAN @ Nov 15 2010, 03:18 PM)
Inspira carry proton name is sux, forte carry korean name even more sux..

If choose one, then go for Inspira for Lancer technology + paddle shift + cheaper parts (compare to korean) + more potential to mod..
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Your nick called advan also sucks. Come on dude, be slightly more intelligent. You're buying a car based on performance or brand? Sheesh!

Anyway TS, I'd pick either one as I own a forte and have driven a lancer before. There's no rights or wrongs when you choose either car which has similar performance. Go and do a test drive and buy the one you like. smile.gif
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Jus purchase the car which u like. whistling.gif
There nothing to argue which car u prefer.
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QUOTE(wookp @ Nov 15 2010, 04:16 PM)
Your nick called advan also sucks. Come on dude, be slightly more intelligent. You're buying a car based on performance or brand? Sheesh!

Anyway TS, I'd pick either one as I own a forte and have driven a lancer before. There's no rights or wrongs when you choose either car which has similar performance. Go and do a test drive and buy the one you like. smile.gif
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Personally, after driving the lancer gt and forte 2.0, I think forte 2.0 has more acceleration, maybe because of the lighter body.
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QUOTE(luckykid5 @ Nov 15 2010, 03:01 PM)
Well, as per above..

which one do you prefer?

I'm torn in between also, since both pricing nearly the same. 80-90k.

Inspira
Pros
spacious
engine and exterior material = mitsubishi
price worth the money spent

Cons
after sales service = proton
compromise on the interior quality

Forte
Pros
Price worth the money spent on the features offered
support by kia (assuming better than proton)

Cons
smaller compare to inspira
heard will consume more petrol after few years if no tuning done to the engine
lower resell value compare to inspira
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what the hxll!! who told u inspira is more spacious???? please go and sit inside both car and then only tell, dont tell bullshit here and confuising ppl...
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correct. back seats of forte also spacious. jz not sure if its bigger, but definitely not small
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QUOTE(wookp @ Nov 15 2010, 04:16 PM)
Your nick called advan also sucks. Come on dude, be slightly more intelligent. You're buying a car based on performance or brand? Sheesh!

Anyway TS, I'd pick either one as I own a forte and have driven a lancer before. There's no rights or wrongs when you choose either car which has similar performance. Go and do a test drive and buy the one you like. smile.gif
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Then forte owner is an idiot? The forte name itself is also the worst among all korean car frankly..

If buy car based on performance, forte is definitely out..
if buy based on brand, proton and korean makes both out.. smile.gif

People buy car not just consider on 1 or 2 factor..
For me, a cheapest C segment car sell at B segment price is proven it sucks.. Sorry to say that..
it dont dare to sell at Civic price becoz everybody know the results included u yourself.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(zoomckng @ Nov 15 2010, 04:38 PM)
correct. back seats of forte also spacious. jz not sure if its bigger, but definitely not small
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it is definately bigger than Inspira!! I very sure, i compared both of them.

and another is the interial quality not so good, try to close the door and you will know, need more strength to get it close, quality issue, like mis-aligned, just like my previous Persona. And try close the forte door, u will see big different and feel.

also the door trim is bad, all is plastic, nothing mixture with fabric or leather, this is the 2.0 Premium model i saw....
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need more strength to close the door doesnt means that the car is better than using less strength...

its just back to TS what car he want...its just all pro and cons to be considered
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comparison based on advertised price on individual website.

heard inspira maintenance will be a killer at 40K (roughly rm1.3K based on lancer price).. now you choose


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QUOTE(putramon @ Nov 15 2010, 04:50 PM)
need more strength to close the door doesnt means that the car is better than using less strength...

its just back to TS what car he want...its just all pro and cons to be considered
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Different ppl have different point of view and needs ......

like ur car .. my fren complain 2 doors ... i tell them less 2 door .. less 2 power window problem tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ADVAN @ Nov 15 2010, 04:43 PM)
Then forte owner is an idiot? The forte name itself is also the worst among all korean car frankly..

If buy car based on performance, forte is definitely out..
if buy based on brand, proton and korean makes both out.. smile.gif

People buy car not just consider on 1 or 2 factor..
For me, a cheapest C segment car sell at B segment price is proven it sucks.. Sorry to say that..
it dont dare to sell at Civic price becoz everybody know the results included u yourself.. smile.gif
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Go pull your head out of your butt. Do you even hear yourself speak? It's people like you that thinks price represents everything. Let me guess. You bought a C-segment car for >RM100k and now you're butthurt because we can get a C-segment car for less?

The forte was awarded the best car of the year 2009 by NADA and Asian Auto VCA Award 2010. How bad is that, do you think?

For a senior member in LYN, you are sure 'smart' for a chimpanzee.

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Nov 15 2010, 04:52 PM)
Different ppl have different point of view and needs ......

like ur car .. my fren complain 2 doors ... i tell them less 2 door .. less 2 power window problem tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ADVAN @ Nov 15 2010, 03:18 PM)
Inspira carry proton name is sux, forte carry korean name even more sux..

If choose one, then go for Inspira for Lancer technology + paddle shift + cheaper parts (compare to korean) + more potential to mod..
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You are obviously shooting yourself on your own butt without you realising you shot yourself already.
Wookp is right. Pull your head out of your ass before you make yourself an ass-a-hole.

*Sigh*...typical Inspira worshipper..


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QUOTE(prototype_x0 @ Nov 15 2010, 03:48 PM)
u judging it wrongly friend. inspira is not pirated copy, it's a colaboration between mitsubishi and proton. proton did not steal it like a pirate and ask mitsu to walk the plank. i am not proton supporter but just get the fact right.

anyway both are 1.6/1.8/2.0 car at a sub 100k car. to put it easier, something is wrong somewhere, hence the low price.

previous experience thaught me well not to go anywhere near proton anymore. after sales service, well, mediocre. and naza, i heard their service are up to no good either.

well, go figure.
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Nothing is wrong (with the pricing)
Obviously Proton price will be alot cheaper than Mitsus.It will always be the playground for the G.
Just like Peugeot 206 and Naza Bestari (what a Kindergarten-school-like name). Same car, but because it's NAZA, obviously they can sell the same car cheaper with their own stickers.

TO me when I look into the Inspira..Proton is the same as Naza; they are good in one and only thing. Making quality badges & stickers for their cars. doh.gif
It's cheaper to re-engineer their own plastic steering wheel with PROTON badge, and mod little bit the grill with PROTON badge, than to design a whole new car. The savings obviously is not passed to you suckers.

The way I look at it, it's like as though Proton had no choice but to reunite with it's divorced wife (Mitsubishi) after several failed attempts of unable get laid (read: LAID) with a German.
Proton, orang German bukan bodoh tau tak?

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Why must the wife be Mitsubishi? Why can't Proton be the b*tch considering they are smaller, younger than Mitsu? just a food for thought......

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Until Jeremy Clarkson says something nice about Korean cars, I will find it hard to support any Korean made. I dunno man. Eventhough JC is suppose to be funny fellow, somehow there is some truth when he bashes something.
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forte=design huduh...huduhhhhh

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QUOTE(Witchblade @ Nov 15 2010, 07:29 PM)
forte=design huduh...huduhhhhh
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to me forte is a beauty
thanks to peter schreyer
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I'd pick the Forte over the Inspira if going 2.0. Otherwise, Inspira manual over the forte 1.6 happy.gif. If don't want manual but don't want 2.0, then I'd take the Honda City haha.
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QUOTE(ADVAN @ Nov 15 2010, 04:43 PM)
Then forte owner is an idiot? The forte name itself is also the worst among all korean car frankly..

If buy car based on performance, forte is definitely out..
if buy based on brand, proton and korean makes both out.. smile.gif

People buy car not just consider on 1 or 2 factor..
For me, a cheapest C segment car sell at B segment price is proven it sucks.. Sorry to say that..
it dont dare to sell at Civic price becoz everybody know the results included u yourself.. smile.gif
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another korean basher? gtfo we dont need loser comments like u
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QUOTE(soonlee33 @ Nov 15 2010, 07:38 PM)
to me forte is a beauty
thanks to peter schreyer
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not sporty enough...look alike audi cacat
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QUOTE(Hidan @ Nov 15 2010, 07:27 PM)
Until Jeremy Clarkson says something nice about Korean cars, I will find it hard to support any Korean made. I dunno man. Eventhough JC is suppose to be funny fellow, somehow there is some truth when he bashes something.
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the reasonably priced car used to be a korean model, and the new one is still a korean made, how bad can it be?

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QUOTE(Hidan @ Nov 15 2010, 07:27 PM)
Until Jeremy Clarkson says something nice about Korean cars, I will find it hard to support any Korean made. I dunno man. Eventhough JC is suppose to be funny fellow, somehow there is some truth when he bashes something.
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Why you have to wait for JC? Don't you have any other sources that you can rely on? Look at the awards and praises from Forte owners all over the world.

QUOTE(Witchblade @ Nov 15 2010, 07:29 PM)
forte=design huduh...huduhhhhh
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Masing masing ada cita rasa sendiri. I find maya karin to be HHHHHotttt. And you might find Adibah Noor to be HHHHooooTTT... It's all about personal preference.

Hmmm... I sound like a Forte fanboy already.
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QUOTE(ADVAN @ Nov 15 2010, 03:18 PM)
Inspira carry proton name is sux, forte carry korean name even more sux..

If choose one, then go for Inspira for Lancer technology + paddle shift + cheaper parts (compare to korean) + more potential to mod..
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no, it is actually forte carry by Naza that makes forte sucks.
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both car are great.. went to both showroom.. in the end..i booked INSPIRA! smile.gif ..
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Where is TS? after create this thread and just went missing and watching from behind. Please close this thread. Just go test drive and make your own choice. rclxlh.gif
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ayaa..no need to gaduh2 la...let unbiased profesional to decide la..forte already win over mitsubishi lancer!..forte vs lancer vs corolla
mazda 3 also cannot fight with forte!...forte vs mazda3 vs honda civic...
thats why la i choose forte....inspira?..lu pikir la sendiri..
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Haters gonna hate it anyway..i always like to see ppl call colaboration as copy,lol
Anyway, find out what is the maintaince cost for both(eg spare parts, service and etc)
Then compare fc, and finally pick the 1 that you think look better
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better pick inspira... support m'sia product...
but forte have some awesome design.....
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Until Jeremy Clarkson says something nice about Korean cars, I will find it hard to support any Korean made. I dunno man. Eventhough JC is suppose to be funny fellow, somehow there is some truth when he bashes something.
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Topgear on Ceed

and why must you wait for JC to say anything nice about what you want to drive? his balls smells nicer? that's some twisted logic in yr statement. JC doesnt say anything nice about hybrid cars too, infact, he hated them. so? every carmakers should just stop making them because of that?
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i guess you don't really read much...

Topgear on Ceed

and why must you wait for JC to say anything nice about what you want to drive? his balls smells nicer? that's some twisted logic in yr statement. JC doesnt say anything nice about hybrid cars too, infact, he hated them. so? every carmakers should just stop making them because of that?
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For me, a cheapest C segment car sell at B segment price is proven it sucks.. Sorry to say that..
it dont dare to sell at Civic price becoz everybody know the results included u yourself.. smile.gif
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in Malaysia Civic sell at RM11xxxx
in Thailand/Langkawi the same Civic priced at RM7xxxx or less

does this shows that Civic sold in peninsular are way better than those sold in Thailand/Langkawi??

if like that ah, I advice u, don't get Inspira, please get the Vios TRD edition

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full article
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for proton/lotus handling - can add at least 0.2 & 0.4 more for lancer/inspira.....

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Dont ever buy the forte. I seriously dont know what the hype is all about forte??!! I am currently driving the Nhc so when i got a chance to drive my frens forte 1.6 outstation, i was expecting a good experience.

First of all, full tank was rm79++ which we filled in damansara. When we reached ipoh, it was half tank d. Half a tank to reach ipoh???!!! And i was doin 110 -120 km/ h all the while with total 4 ppl in the car. Thats atrocious fc. And my frens car is a about 5 months old, yet when i sat in the car, the interior feels like it has been used for 2 years. Even my Nhc at 1.5 years looks newer than his .

Secondly, the steering is seriously so bad, u feel like ripping it up from the dashboard. It has a silly rubber feeling while driving. Absolutely no feedback at all, and the stupid thing keeps veering to the left for no particular reason. Alignment? My fren tried fixing it but no solution until now. Seriously am not being bias, one of the worst steering i hv ever used in my life. At speeds of 110km/h i can feel that the steering is not solid at all compared to
Nhc.

Thirdly, pickup from say 90 km/ h is zomg terrible. The moment i step on the gas, the engine made a huge fuss just to accelerate.

But no doubt this forte has good noise insulation, and all those fancy stuff like auto headlights, pushstart.

But seriously i hv been anti proton all this while, just this time, just for this time, i would recommend ts to take the inspira. It has jap dna and is way better than forte anytime, anywhr.

The koreans are on par with the japs now? Not even close!

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what is NHC
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Dont ever buy the forte. I seriously dont know what the hype is all about forte??!! I am currently driving the Nhc so when i got a chance to drive my frens forte 1.6 outstation, i was expecting a good experience.

First of all, full tank was rm79++ which we filled in damansara. When we reached ipoh, it was half tank d. Half a tank to reach ipoh???!!! And i was doin 110 -120 km/ h all the while with total 4 ppl in the car. Thats atrocious fc. And my frens car is a about 5 months old, yet when i sat in the car, the interior feels like it has been used for 2 years. Even my Nhc at 1.5 years looks newer than his .

Secondly, the steering is seriously so bad, u feel like ripping it up from the dashboard. It has a silly rubber feeling while driving. Absolutely no feedback at all, and the stupid thing keeps veering to the left for no particular reason. Alignment? My fren tried fixing it but no solution until now. Seriously am not being bias, one of the worst steering i hv ever used in my life. At speeds of 110km/h i can feel that the steering is not solid at all compared to
Nhc.

Thirdly, pickup from say 90 km/ h is zomg terrible. The moment i step on the gas, the engine made a huge  fuss just to accelerate.

But no doubt this forte has good noise insulation, and all those fancy stuff like auto headlights, pushstart.

But seriously i hv been anti proton all this while, just this time, just for this time, i would recommend ts to take the inspira. It has jap dna and is way better than forte anytime, anywhr.

The koreans are on par with the japs now? Not even close!
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 15 2010, 09:21 PM)
Dont ever buy the forte. I seriously dont know what the hype is all about forte??!! I am currently driving the Nhc so when i got a chance to drive my frens forte 1.6 outstation, i was expecting a good experience.

First of all, full tank was rm79++ which we filled in damansara. When we reached ipoh, it was half tank d. Half a tank to reach ipoh???!!! And i was doin 110 -120 km/ h all the while with total 4 ppl in the car. Thats atrocious fc. And my frens car is a about 5 months old, yet when i sat in the car, the interior feels like it has been used for 2 years. Even my Nhc at 1.5 years looks newer than his .

Secondly, the steering is seriously so bad, u feel like ripping it up from the dashboard. It has a silly rubber feeling while driving. Absolutely no feedback at all, and the stupid thing keeps veering to the left for no particular reason. Alignment? My fren tried fixing it but no solution until now. Seriously am not being bias, one of the worst steering i hv ever used in my life. At speeds of 110km/h i can feel that the steering is not solid at all compared to
Nhc.

Thirdly, pickup from say 90 km/ h is zomg terrible. The moment i step on the gas, the engine made a huge  fuss just to accelerate.

But no doubt this forte has good noise insulation, and all those fancy stuff like auto headlights, pushstart.

But seriously i hv been anti proton all this while, just this time, just for this time, i would recommend ts to take the inspira. It has jap dna and is way better than forte anytime, anywhr.

The koreans are on par with the japs now? Not even close!
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weird..already reached pahang/melaka...
full tank can reached 500km..left 100km Distance to empty some more...your friend forte come from other earth? laugh.gif
btw, in my car also four people...
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i went to see new Inspira already, seems like the finishing is still lacking. The inner part besides of the dashboard is so plasticky. You can see that the car has lotta gaps seems like not properly assemble. The skirting at the bumper and front portion is really a mess. you can see that it's like being forcefully fit in.

Haih's thought the car would be great but quite disappointed after i look at such small details.
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to each his own - dont worry about my nick - just a nick - let everyone rant and rave all they want. All I can say is to put your money where your mouth is - and buy what your heart desires. Trying to steer ppl to follow your opinionated comments to the point of being childish and vulgar, really speaks volumes for your mentality and upbringing. So if you are an adult, behave like an adult. Otherwise you are just a kid trying to wear a big hat trying to hide behind the internet. Join some forums - and ask owners what their experiences are. Then find out more - from crash tests in Youtube, pictures and crashes dont lie. Then go and test drive to your hearts content. I did my homework. I drove cars from Germany, to Japanese, from my 25 years of driving different cars, you go from the young and flashy, to executive sedans to practical compact 2nd cars, buy whatever suits your fancy. My 2 cents.
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Nov 15 2010, 08:59 PM)
in Malaysia Civic sell at RM11xxxx
in Thailand/Langkawi the same Civic priced at RM7xxxx or less

does this shows that Civic sold in peninsular are way better than those sold in Thailand/Langkawi??

if like that ah, I advice u, don't get Inspira, please get the Vios TRD edition
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So how much does the forte sell
In langkawi? Wait, do they even sell forte in langkawi?


Common sense, if the rest of a c segment cars are sold at more than rm110k , and all of a sudden thrs one can sell below rm100k for 2.0 version, its definately not gonna be as good as say civic 2.0.

If it really is, it will be top sales in msia now. But thats not the case.
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well, this is individual preference la. Both is nice.

was planning for a Forte, because that time, was in the middle of changing and trading my old car n such..there is really nothing else. but then before placing any booking me and wifey decided to wait for Inspira since all that hype about it.

then we go see the Inspira, place the booking with SA before we had any test drive. (we did the test drive with Forte)

I ask my wifey why? so this is her answer.

Forte ar? Its a KIA (ok, so this hottie don't like KIA)

I like Inspira interior. (I then said, huh? most people said very plastic wor") she replied "nope! I felt the whole interior of Inspira give me that more of a luxury feeling somewhat somehow", Forte also plastic honey, what is wrong with plastic? you want a steel or cardboard?... all car now is plastic. Only your old V6 is not plastic. Does it look better? (I was like ooOOO, do not insult my perdana eh)

The exterior looks more ohmp! the back and front is gorgeous, somewhat attractive, especially the big butt. Forte more modest. Nice and pretty but not gorgeous, bit gentle in overall.

Then I go, but Proton wor, aren't you sick with Proton d hon? Ppl said copycat Lancer wor. she replied "what is wrong? your V6 got problem meh? (I was like .. ermm.. ) copy or not, why bother. as long as we are paying less for practically the same thing. no?

thats the reason why Proton SA got the cheque! smile.gif
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QUOTE(iCrash @ Nov 15 2010, 09:46 PM)
well, this is individual preference la. Both is nice.

was planning for a Forte, because that time, was in the middle of changing and trading my old car n such..there is really nothing else. but then before placing any booking me and wifey decided to wait for Inspira since all that hype about it.

then we go see the Inspira, place the booking with SA before we had any test drive. (we did the test drive with Forte)

I ask my wifey why? so this is her answer.

Forte ar? Its a KIA (ok, so this hottie don't like KIA)

I like Inspira interior. (I then said, huh? most people said very plastic wor") she replied "nope! I felt the whole interior of Inspira give me that more of a luxury feeling somewhat somehow", Forte also plastic honey, what is wrong with plastic? you want a steel or cardboard?... all car now is plastic. Only your old V6 is not plastic. Does it look better? (I was like ooOOO, do not insult my perdana eh)

The exterior looks more ohmp! the back and front is gorgeous, somewhat attractive, especially the big butt. Forte more modest. Nice and pretty but not gorgeous, bit gentle in overall.

Then I go, but Proton wor, aren't you sick with Proton d hon? Ppl said copycat Lancer wor. she replied "what is wrong? your V6 got problem meh? (I was like .. ermm.. ) copy or not, why bother. as long as we are paying less for practically the same thing. no?

thats the reason why Proton SA got the cheque! smile.gif
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 15 2010, 09:44 PM)
So how much does the forte sell
In langkawi? Wait, do they even sell forte in langkawi?
Common sense, if the rest of a c segment cars are sold at more than rm110k , and all of a sudden thrs one can sell below rm100k for 2.0 version, its definately not gonna be as good as say civic 2.0.

If it really is, it will be top sales in msia now. But thats not the case.
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Normally that would be the case, but Forte is cheap because it was "rebadged" by Naza. Similar situation to when Naza rebadged the Kia Carnival to Naza Ria. If Kia sold the Forte, it would probably be around 120k.

If you read reviews or comparisons of C segment cars from other countries, you would see that the Forte fairs very well vs lancer, civic, altis, mazda3.
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QUOTE(silic0sis @ Nov 15 2010, 10:02 PM)
Normally that would be the case, but Forte is cheap because it was "rebadged" by Naza. Similar situation to when Naza rebadged the Kia Carnival to Naza Ria. If Kia sold the Forte, it would probably be around 120k.

If you read reviews or comparisons of C segment cars from other countries, you would see that the Forte fairs very well vs lancer, civic, altis, mazda3.
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why bother how much they sell what in Langkawi or spore or whatever country. Fact is you are not in those country... so get the 1 you like and you can afford as IN MALAYSIA PRICE.
Btw, screw those review. Its your money and its your car. Drive it and buy the 1 your freaking heart tell you to. It is that simple.
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i will go for inspira.. just because of the manual transmission and potential for mods.
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i tested both cars and decided to book inspira...maybe because of lancer image and resale value because i didnt use car so long
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i tested both cars and decided to book inspira...maybe because of lancer image and resale value because i didnt use car so long
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Of course no resale value la !!
Becos u r using a local potong engine!
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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 15 2010, 10:15 PM)
proton no resale value lar my persona 1.5yrs lost 20k - 56k sold at 36k cry man!
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QUOTE(silic0sis @ Nov 15 2010, 10:02 PM)
Normally that would be the case, but Forte is cheap because it was "rebadged" by Naza. Similar situation to when Naza rebadged the Kia Carnival to Naza Ria. If Kia sold the Forte, it would probably be around 120k.

If you read reviews or comparisons of C segment cars from other countries, you would see that the Forte fairs very well vs lancer, civic, altis, mazda3.
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I don't think Naza Forte is cheaper because it's being CKD-ed by Naza because Toyota Altis and Honda Civic are also CKD. KIA Carnival and Naza Ria was a different case. It's CBU vs CKD. The same thing happened to Peugeot 206 and Naza Bestari.
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Inspira?

Hhmm... a mixture of Lancer GT (whole car) and EX (interior) parts.

Forte?

The engine, a Theta-II (G4KC) should be the same as 4B11 on Lancer GT. Both are developed by Hyundai Motor Company, Chrysler Corporation and Mitsubishi Motor.

I prefer the looks of Forte but not the 4-speed auto gearbox. If only Naza would bring in the 6-speed auto gearbox then both cars would be equal in many ways.
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 15 2010, 09:21 PM)
Dont ever buy the forte. I seriously dont know what the hype is all about forte??!! I am currently driving the Nhc so when i got a chance to drive my frens forte 1.6 outstation, i was expecting a good experience.

First of all, full tank was rm79++ which we filled in damansara. When we reached ipoh, it was half tank d. Half a tank to reach ipoh???!!! And i was doin 110 -120 km/ h all the while with total 4 ppl in the car. Thats atrocious fc. And my frens car is a about 5 months old, yet when i sat in the car, the interior feels like it has been used for 2 years. Even my Nhc at 1.5 years looks newer than his .

Secondly, the steering is seriously so bad, u feel like ripping it up from the dashboard. It has a silly rubber feeling while driving. Absolutely no feedback at all, and the stupid thing keeps veering to the left for no particular reason. Alignment? My fren tried fixing it but no solution until now. Seriously am not being bias, one of the worst steering i hv ever used in my life. At speeds of 110km/h i can feel that the steering is not solid at all compared to
Nhc.

Thirdly, pickup from say 90 km/ h is zomg terrible. The moment i step on the gas, the engine made a huge  fuss just to accelerate.

But no doubt this forte has good noise insulation, and all those fancy stuff like auto headlights, pushstart.

But seriously i hv been anti proton all this while, just this time, just for this time, i would recommend ts to take the inspira. It has jap dna and is way better than forte anytime, anywhr.

The koreans are on par with the japs now? Not even close!
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mine clocked 643KM with 70+KM remaining for 90% highway ride from Penang - KL - Pahang - KL with 3 adult in car.
speed constant at 110KM/H.

come test ride my forte and see whether you're gonna make the false assumption again

cheers mate

p/s: btw forte will consume full tank only if you drive all the way with 160km ~ 170KM/H. tested by me from KL to penang. not half tank.. but near half tank..

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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Nov 15 2010, 09:20 PM)
FOR TS....
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full article
http://www.thecarconnection.com/car-compar...ta_corolla_2009

for proton/lotus handling - can add at least 0.2 & 0.4 more for lancer/inspira.....
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Forte got better rating coz it's significantly cheaper than Lancer.....hence better value for money

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QUOTE(Pogostik @ Nov 15 2010, 10:19 PM)
I don't think Naza Forte is cheaper because it's being CKD-ed by Naza because Toyota Altis and Honda Civic are also CKD. KIA Carnival and Naza Ria was a different case. It's CBU vs CKD. The same thing happened to Peugeot 206 and Naza Bestari.
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The Naza Ria is not the same as the original 2002 CBU 2nd gen Carnival. Only exterior and interior are the same but engine and gearbox are sourced from 1st gen Carnival which is prone to gasket failure. Many people have swapped out the entire engine and gearbox for the 2nd gen.

BTW, Forte sold here is not really CKD. It is 100% CBU but declared as CKD (Naza took out the wheel and doors prior to delivery from Korea). Good news it, Naza pass on the savings to potential buyers.
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QUOTE(acbc @ Nov 15 2010, 10:23 PM)
The Naza Ria is not the same as the original 2002 CBU 2nd gen Carnival. Only exterior and interior are the same but engine and gearbox are sourced from 1st gen Carnival which is prone to gasket failure. Many people have swapped out the entire engine and gearbox for the 2nd gen.

BTW, Forte sold here is not really CKD. It is 100% CBU  but declared as CKD (Naza took out the wheel and doors prior to delivery from Korea). Good news it, Naza pass on the savings to potential buyers.
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its actually called Shipped Knocked Down SKD as oppose to Completely Knock Down CKD

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QUOTE(acbc @ Nov 15 2010, 10:23 PM)
The Naza Ria is not the same as the original 2002 CBU 2nd gen Carnival. Only exterior and interior are the same but engine and gearbox are sourced from 1st gen Carnival which is prone to gasket failure. Many people have swapped out the entire engine and gearbox for the 2nd gen.

BTW, Forte sold here is not really CKD. It is 100% CBU  but declared as CKD (Naza took out the wheel and doors prior to delivery from Korea). Good news it, Naza pass on the savings to potential buyers.
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I'm not talking about the built quality or parts reliability. It is about the price, why Naza Forte is cheaper than the rest of the C-segment cars (excluding local marques). I know about the so-called 'semi-CBU' of Naza Forte but again that's not my point. It is declared as CKD and people pay for it at CKD price. However, Toyota Altis and Honda Civic are also CKD but more expensive. Naza Forte being CKD-ed is certainly NOT the reason why it's cheaper.

That is what I'm trying to say.

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QUOTE(Pogostik @ Nov 15 2010, 10:35 PM)
I'm not talking about the built quality or parts reliability. It is about the price, why Naza Forte is cheaper than the rest of the C-segment cars (excluding local marques). I know about the so-called 'semi-CBU' of Naza Forte but again that's not my point. It is declared as CKD and people pay for it at CKD price. However, Toyota Altis and Honda Civic are also CKD but it is more expensive. Naza Forte being CKD-ed is obviously NOT the reason why it's cheaper.

That is what I'm trying to say.
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dear mr.pogo its cheaper cause KOREANs are very cost effective at doing things even more so than JAPANESE! and T & H CKD here cost savings were not passed down to consumers thats why lo... they can if they wanted to but who's gonna feed those well connected vendors???
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QUOTE(Pogostik @ Nov 15 2010, 10:35 PM)
I'm not talking about the built quality or parts reliability. It is about the price, why Naza Forte is cheaper than the rest of the C-segment cars (excluding local marques). I know about the so-called 'semi-CBU' of Naza Forte but again that's not my point. It is declared as CKD and people pay for it at CKD price. However, Toyota Altis and Honda Civic are also CKD but more expensive. Naza Forte being CKD-ed is certainly NOT the reason why it's cheaper.

That is what I'm trying to say.
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Proton is expensive because they need to take care of their well-connected suppliers who supply cheap parts at jacked up prices. Kia on the other hand have better cost management than most Japanese companies. They used existing parts and tooling to reduce cost.

For new Altis, I believe it is 100% CBU from Thailand. The current Civic 1.8 and 2.0 is fully CKD in Melaka. Why is it expensive? U gotta ask the Honda for that. I believe Honda always put themselves as premium brand unlike Naza or Proton. Walk into any Honda showroom and look how the sales people treat u. With respect and well attended to. Toyota also does the same but at a much smaller scale.

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QUOTE(acbc @ Nov 15 2010, 10:52 PM)
Proton is expensive because they need to take care of their well-connected suppliers who supply cheap parts at jacked up prices. Kia on the other hand have better cost management than most Japanese companies. They used existing parts and tooling to reduce cost.
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KIA is riding on HYUNDAI software & hardware with own design thrown in much like VW - Audi - Skoda family parts sharing this makes them cost effective at the same time able to punch way above their league.....
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KIA is riding on HYUNDAI software & hardware with own design thrown in much like VW - Audi - Skoda family parts sharing this makes them cost effective at the same time able to punch way above their league.....
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Correct. Hyundai fork out money for the R&D and Kia just need to produce the designs. Simple as that. And Hyundai being the parent company will invest more money on money making models. They are doing what investors do best, spending money wisely.
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QUOTE(ADVAN @ Nov 15 2010, 04:43 PM)
Then forte owner is an idiot? The forte name itself is also the worst among all korean car frankly..

If buy car based on performance, forte is definitely out..
if buy based on brand, proton and korean makes both out.. smile.gif

People buy car not just consider on 1 or 2 factor..
For me, a cheapest C segment car sell at B segment price is proven it sucks.. Sorry to say that..
it dont dare to sell at Civic price becoz everybody know the results included u yourself.. smile.gif
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U may go observing Singaporean more toward korean car ..
proton car in singapore, rarely see.. but hyundai and kia doing great there..

'a cheapest C segment car sell at B segment price is proven it sucks'
I cant stop u from thinking on that.. juz in case to let u know the H and T earn tons of porfit per car..
u can compared the H and T in Thailand..

Cheapest c segment car at B price doesnt mean its quality worst..
juz because of competitiveness in automobile industry,.
Frankly speaking , except H&T, becoz loyalty to these brand been established long time ago..
Ya.. one more thing, hyundai and kia doing great in US as well..

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QUOTE(altimi @ Nov 15 2010, 10:21 PM)
Forte got better rating coz it's significantly cheaper than Lancer.....hence better value for money
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not becoz it cheaper its got high rating...so persona much cheaper should got 8.6? hmm.gif

now read here...now the compare 2011 version..mitsu lancer got some improvements...from 2x jump to 14...last time forte 2010 version got no 5...lancer 2010 rank 23....
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-...ble-Small-Cars/
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Ya.. one more thing, hyundai and kia doing great in US as well..
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The problem is not with kia or hyundai. The problem is with N@z@.

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QUOTE(Marlbo @ Nov 15 2010, 11:29 PM)
The problem is not with kia or hyundai. The problem is with N@z@.
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btw, u got bad experience with naza before? hmm.gif
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The problem is not with kia or hyundai. The problem is with N@z@.
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huh u buying the car or the company? brows.gif
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btw, u got bad experience with naza before? hmm.gif
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Not me but 2 colleagues of mine who owned a ria and rio.
Rio - paint started to fade after 3-4years. Replacement part is very expensive
Ria - weird engine sound after 2 years. SC is bad, not able to rectify problem. Smore slow respond.
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QUOTE(Marlbo @ Nov 15 2010, 11:40 PM)
Not me but 2 colleagues of mine who owned a ria and rio.
Rio - paint started to fade after 3-4years. Replacement part is very expensive
Ria - weird engine sound after 2 years. SC is bad, not able to rectify problem. Smore slow respond.
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my father toyota rush battery just run out only after 2month bought...
my car, wira got some rust at the roof...

so can we said proton & toyota shit? hmm.gif
btw...inspira is good for its price...only one thing i don't like about this inspira...interior too plastic...huh
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Nov 15 2010, 11:48 PM)
my father toyota rush battery just run out only after 2month bought...
my car, wira got some rust at the roof...

so can we said proton & toyota shit? hmm.gif
btw...inspira is good for its price...only one thing i don't like about this inspira...interior too plastic...huh
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well said but nowaday, most cars are like that - vios, city, inspira etc. However, I found Nissan interior is not too plastic.
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guys, i really think it is stupid to compare like that, just like many others said:

Inspira fanboi or lancer wannabe will go for insipira.
same goes to Forte.

test your ownself, at the end of the day, u yourself paid your own car.

If u really want to compare, please do it PROTON VS HYUNDAI or KIA being Malaysian vs Korean car manufacturer.

I take Proton vs Hyundai as an example.

Both started off at almost the same time, and has been in the market for about 25 fucukkk years!
Where is Proton now and where is Hyundai now in the market?

what kind of cars, design, performance and others has Proton provided?

look at their latest product - Inspira and Sonata.

design wise - it is just sebijik lancer! 99% look alike. To me, it is just a complete copy over or they claim it is rebadge or whatever shit, i dont care.
Proton CEO says R&D is very expensive and dont worth the money to do it, and hence, they collaborate with Mitsu to buy this LANCER design.
Bear in mind, this lancer model has been in the market for so long (min also 4-5 years) already. Ppl sell u old model, u guys get HYPED with it? and now ppl come out with their new sportsback model, another 5 yrs later? Inspira aeroback?

Look at Hyundai Sonata, from R&D to FINISHED PRODUCTS are all by KOREAN themselves. try comparing their design? dont even need to compare cars from different segment, oops, Hyundai are producing a higher segment cars than the SORRY Proton whereby they started off the same era?

Hyundai Sonata 2.0 Standard is only priced RM60k *(after conversion) in Korea, for a D-segment car.
At what price is this Proton Inspira 2.0 priced in malaysia? 90k?

Here the arguments arise again, why people could priced their NATIONAL CARS so cheaply in their HOMEGROWN?
why are we buying expensive NATIONAL CARS in our HOMEGROWN?

I Don't mind being patriotic and to buy Proton if Proton could deliver similar class products like Hyundai.

Just to FEED YOU some facts, a fresh undergraduate that works in Samsung earns an annual salary of KRW30,000,000 to KRW35,000,000. Yes, it is 30 Million Korean Won! which is equivalent to about RM100k annual income or RM9-10k monthly income. I chop my xxxx off if a fresh graduate here in Malaysia can earn that money.

I hereby attach 2 photos for you to check out their car prices, cars that you dont see in Malaysia. Forte Koup priced at KRW21M and K5 is priced at KRW 27M. compare their income and spending power then compare Malaysian fresh graduate annual income and spending power. annual income of RM30k? buy inspira 90k? need 3 full years 100% savings?

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Off-topic abit, what Malaysian Brands has penetrated the world market?
A few of the world top brands are from Korea - Samsung, Hyundai, Kia and LG - they have successfully penetrated the world market.

In case if you do not know, please check out Kia K5, K7, their new sportage. Kia Korea
Samsung cars and Genesis.
and tell Proton those are the cars that they should produce instead of copying here and there, for instance, Inspira (which is 99% Lancer look-alike model) and has been running on the road for so many years, look at Sonata, their cars has a life cycle of 5 years. unlike Proton, Special edition, Limited Edition, Sports Edition, Merdeka Edition.

10 years later, Korean are well on top of us and we are no longger comparing to Korean, but we're comparing with Vietnamnese or Cambodian, let alone singaporean and korean.

No match comparing Malaysian vs Korean made.
A Phailed nation, even in many years to come.

Flame me as you wish~
Or tell me "if i dont like, I keluar" - Good job! This is the attitude that constitutes to the failure.

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guys, i really think it is stupid to compare like that, just like many others said:

Inspira fanboi or lancer wannabe will go for insipira.
same goes to Forte.

test your ownself, at the end of the day, u yourself paid your own car.

If u really want to compare, please do it PROTON VS HYUNDAI or KIA being Malaysian vs Korean car manufacturer.

I take Proton vs Hyundai as an example.

Both started off at almost the same time, and has been in the market for about 25 fucukkk years!
Where is Proton now and where is Hyundai now in the market?

what kind of cars, design, performance and others has Proton provided?

look at their latest product - Inspira and Sonata.

design wise - it is just sebijik lancer! 99% look alike. To me, it is just a complete copy over or they claim it is rebadge or whatever shit, i dont care.
Proton CEO says R&D is very expensive and dont worth the money to do it, and hence, they collaborate with Mitsu to buy this LANCER design.
Bear in mind, this lancer model has been in the market for so long (min also 4-5 years) already. Ppl sell u old model, u guys get HYPED with it? and now ppl come out with their new sportsback model, another 5 yrs later? Inspira aeroback?

Look at Hyundai Sonata, from R&D to FINISHED PRODUCTS are all by KOREAN themselves. try comparing their design? dont even need to compare cars from different segment, oops, Hyundai are producing a higher segment cars than the SORRY Proton whereby they started off the same era?

Hyundai Sonata 2.0 Standard is only priced RM60k *(after conversion) in Korea, for a D-segment car.
At what price is this Proton Inspira 2.0 priced in malaysia? 90k?

Here the arguments arise again, why people could priced their NATIONAL CARS so cheaply in their HOMEGROWN?
why are we buying expensive NATIONAL CARS in our HOMEGROWN?

I Don't mind being patriotic and to buy Proton if Proton could deliver similar class products like Hyundai.

Just to FEED YOU some facts, a fresh undergraduate that works in Samsung earns an annual salary of KRW30,000,000 to KRW35,000,000. Yes, it is 30 Million Korean Won! which is equivalent to about RM100k annual income or RM9-10k monthly income. I chop my xxxx off if a fresh graduate here in Malaysia can earn that money.

I hereby attach 2 photos for you to check out their car prices, cars that you dont see in Malaysia. Forte Koup priced at KRW21M and K5 is priced at KRW 27M. compare their income and spending power then compare Malaysian fresh graduate annual income and spending power. annual income of RM30k? buy inspira 90k? need 3 full years 100% savings?

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Off-topic abit, what Malaysian Brands has penetrated the world market?
A few of the world top brands are from Korea - Samsung, Hyundai, Kia and LG - they have successfully penetrated the world market.

In case if you do not know, please check out Kia K5, K7, their new sportage. Kia Korea
Samsung cars and Genesis.
and tell Proton those are the cars that they should produce instead of copying here and there, for instance, Inspira (which is 99% Lancer look-alike model) and has been running on the road for so many years, look at Sonata, their cars has a life cycle of 5 years. unlike Proton, Special edition, Limited Edition, Sports Edition, Merdeka Edition.

10 years later, Korean are well on top of us and we are no longger comparing to Korean, but we're comparing with Vietnamnese or Cambodian, let alone singaporean and korean.

No match comparing Malaysian vs Korean made.
A Phailed nation, even in many years to come.

Flame me as you wish~
Or tell me "if i dont like, I keluar" - Good job! This is the attitude that constitutes to the failure.
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Yes ,Korean cars are MUCH better than 100% Msian made cars,but still light years behind the Japs.

Since the Inspira has Jap DNA in it,it automatically makes it better than any Korean make.Korean cars are upcoming but still they lack that something to make it on par with Japs.Their designs are good,but in terms of engineering and technology,they are still way way behind the Japs.Just that you guys dont see it onie.You guys compare which car has better features like start stop button ,auto headlights..etc etc..


Jap will forever > Korean in terms of automotive engineering.Now thats a fact.

And I never trust any review especially from American websites,why? Cuz even Americans make crappy cars.SO yea how can you trust their reviews?

No matter how good the rating on the web,it still boils down to real life driving. wink.gif


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hmmm krs way behind japs? any model here offering maintenance free Gearbox yet? K5 & Sonata is already there..... same level with BMW & even Citroen has it.... Japs????? FYI koreans are not even bothered about japs they heading straight for USA & EURO levels! sweat.gif
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 16 2010, 12:11 AM)
Yes ,Korean cars are MUCH better than 100% Msian made cars,but still light years behind the Japs.

Since the Inspira has Jap DNA in it,it automatically makes it better than any Korean make.Korean cars are upcoming but still they lack that something to make it on par with Japs.Their designs are good,but in terms of engineering and technology,they are still way way behind the Japs.Just that you guys dont see it onie.You guys compare which car has better features like start stop button ,auto headlights..etc etc..
Jap will forever > Korean in terms of automotive engineering.Now thats a fact.

And I never trust any review especially from American websites,why? Cuz even Americans make crappy cars.SO yea how can you trust their reviews?

No matter how good the rating on the web,it still boils down to real life driving. wink.gif
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and why you keep bashing your car (NHC) at city's thread?
japs technology your @$$. hahahaha
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 15 2010, 10:44 PM)
So how much does the forte sell
In langkawi? Wait, do they even sell forte in langkawi?

Common sense, if the rest of a c segment cars are sold at more than rm110k , and all of a sudden thrs one can sell below rm100k for 2.0 version, its definately not gonna be as good as say civic 2.0.

If it really is, it will be top sales in msia now. But thats not the case.
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n00b asking questions....
Forte are everywhere....in Langkawi cheaper!
I seen forte with Langkawi plates, with langkawi driver(owner), service at Alor Setar SC....
guess wat...he's the 1st person who booked Forte in Kedah!! 3 mths b4 lauched, ald booked....
Do they sell Forte in Langkawi??? my answer is YES!!!!

eh NHC guy, gd 2 hear that u hv chance 2 drive Forte 1.6 with ur frens, but complaining abt FC????
come on....i drove my Forte from Alor Setar to Tapah campsite, with 5 ppl, carrying loads of heavy luggages......
as i remembered, still got around distance 254KM to empty...dare 2 say???

admit u r a Forte basher...or korean brand basher....prove only say ur NHC or VIOS good.....
coz u owned 1......i would say u rather BRAINLESS!!
do research b4 u comment anything!!!!

TS.....test drive both cars, Inspira and Forte, so that u can choose ur future car.

Basically, wat i dun like abt Inspira :
1st. Spacious, but smaller than Forte.(some of my frens said, sitting in my Forte as sitting in a BMW 3 series!!)
2nd. Rebadge (that's 1 of the reason I dun like NAZA either)
3rd. Interior quality = not as good as Forte
4th. CVT GB : lots of ppl claimed that it's shifting gear is very smooth, but power wise....NAH!!!!!!
5th. A copycat of Lancer GT, copy it, lower the price.....oh...i din see TCS/ESC(Traction Control System/Electronic Stability Control) in Inspira, but in Lancer, got..I think....
6th. heard Lancer NVH not good, mayb Inspira worse
The only thing for me, Inspira good at is 1.8 Inspira vs. 1.6 Forte, 2.0 vs. 2.0, Forte wins!!!
Looks = Forte, Technology = Forte, Safety = Forte 2.0

Anything else u can say??? NHC guy a.k.a. Forte Basher


Added on November 16, 2010, 1:14 amoh, forget to say....this is by Proton salesman themselves :

'' Memanglah Lancer lagi elok, harga pon dah RM 130 lebih kut. Proton saja tukar lambang jer, lagipon dashbox quality xleh fight dgn Lancer lah, kerana cut cost ma.....sama jg teknologi, Lancer ada TCS, ini xda. Keta ni utk org yg budjet2 jer...mungkin beli ada 'perasaan' Lancer"

this is from salesman themselves....i still remember they said like that
even they hate Inspira themselves....prefer persona/Gen2/BLM....proudly Malaysian...

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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 16 2010, 12:56 AM)
n00b asking questions....
Forte are everywhere....in Langkawi cheaper!
I seen forte with Langkawi plates, with langkawi driver(owner), service at Alor Setar SC....
guess wat...he's the 1st person who booked Forte in Kedah!! 3 mths b4 lauched, ald booked....
Do they sell Forte in Langkawi??? my answer is YES!!!!

eh NHC guy, gd 2 hear that u hv chance 2 drive Forte 1.6 with ur frens, but complaining abt FC????
come on....i drove my Forte from Alor Setar to Tapah campsite, with 5 ppl, carrying loads of heavy luggages......
as i remembered, still got around distance 254KM to empty...dare 2 say???

admit u r a Forte basher...or korean brand basher....prove only say ur NHC or VIOS good.....
coz u owned 1......i would say u rather BRAINLESS!!
do research b4 u comment anything!!!!

TS.....test drive both cars, Inspira and Forte, so that u can choose ur future car.

Basically, wat i dun like abt Inspira :
1st. Spacious, but smaller than Forte.(some of my frens said, sitting in my Forte as sitting in a BMW 3 series!!)
2nd. Rebadge (that's 1 of the reason I dun like NAZA either)
3rd. Interior quality = not as good as Forte
4th. CVT GB : lots of ppl claimed that it's shifting gear is very smooth, but power wise....NAH!!!!!!
5th. A copycat of Lancer GT, copy it, lower the price.....oh...i din see TCS/ESC(Traction Control System/Electronic Stability Control) in Inspira, but in Lancer, got..I think....
6th. heard Lancer NVH not good, mayb Inspira worse
The only thing for me, Inspira good at is 1.8 Inspira vs. 1.6 Forte, 2.0 vs. 2.0, Forte wins!!!
Looks = Forte, Technology = Forte, Safety = Forte 2.0

Anything else u can say??? NHC guy a.k.a. Forte Basher


Added on November 16, 2010, 1:14 amoh, forget to say....this is by Proton salesman themselves :

'' Memanglah Lancer lagi elok, harga pon dah RM 130 lebih kut. Proton saja tukar lambang jer, lagipon dashbox quality xleh fight dgn Lancer lah, kerana cut cost ma.....sama jg teknologi, Lancer ada TCS, ini xda. Keta ni utk org yg budjet2 jer...mungkin beli ada 'perasaan' Lancer"

this is from salesman themselves....i still remember they said like that
even they hate Inspira themselves....prefer persona/Gen2/BLM....proudly Malaysian...
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i stand by you this time round.
+1 even i know he is forte fanboy
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lol. i also speechless to read any fanboy comment.

btw the only good about inspira is about the outlook & engine only.

and just now read at inspira thread.. its confirm no tweeter inside for 1.8 or 2.0 inspira. speechles!

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=37799119

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hmnn....the voting results shows inspira has significantly higher votes...
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Nov 16 2010, 12:02 AM)
If u really want to compare, please do it PROTON VS HYUNDAI or KIA being Malaysian vs Korean car manufacturer.
I take Proton vs Hyundai as an example.
Both started off at almost the same time, and has been in the market for about 25 fucukkk years!
Where is Proton now and where is Hyundai now in the market?
Kia History:

South Korea's oldest car company, Kia was founded on June 9, 1944 as a manufacturer of steel tubing and bicycle parts by hand — and has operated as one of the country's Chaebols since. In 1952, Kia changed its name from Kyungsung Precision Industry,[9] and later built motorcycles (starting in 1957), trucks (1962) and cars (1974). The company opened its first integrated automotive assembly plant in 1973, the Sohari Plant. Starting in 1986, in partnership with Ford, Kia produced several Mazda derived vehicles for both domestic sales in South Korea into other countries. These models include the Pride (based on the Mazda 121) and Avella, which were sold in North America and Australasia as the Ford Festiva and Ford Aspire.

Hyundai History:

Chung Ju-Yung founded the Hyundai Engineering and Construction Company in 1947. Hyundai Motor Company was later established in 1967. The company’s first model, the Cortina, was released in cooperation with Ford Motor Company in 1968. In 1975, the Pony, the first Korean car, was released, with styling by Giorgio Giugiaro of ItalDesign and powertrain technology provided by Japan’s Mitsubishi Motors. Exports began in the following year to Ecuador and soon thereafter to the Benelux countries. In 1991, the company succeeded in developing its first proprietary gasoline engine, the four-cylinder Alpha, and transmission, thus paving the way for technological independence.

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and why you keep bashing your car (NHC) at city's thread?
japs technology your @$$. hahahaha
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Exactly. That shows i am not bias. I bash based on real life driving.Yes my Nhc has flaws but not as bad forte. So you can imagine where forte is. Wayyyyyyyyy back!

And yes forte leaves you speechless all the time ? Why cuz of its horrible drivetrain and driving experience. Ohyea was i speechless man!

Just admit it lah guys, i been driving jap cars for so long, up until now no single korean brand has been able to give the same jap driving experience.

If the car is good , i will praise just like i praised 308 turbo. But as i said , korean cars still hv a long way to go.

Hw they can survive in msia? Here you go, a minority of ppl that support them and most come frm this forum.

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im still waiting for TS to reply something in here... Open a thread and then lesap.. Post something please TS...did u make up ur mind of which car to choose already...

The poll have spoken itself (Inspira-140 vs Forte-75).

Those car owner already gave their opinion/spoken themselves.

how bout u?

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 16 2010, 12:11 AM)
Yes ,Korean cars are MUCH better than 100% Msian made cars,but still light years behind the Japs.

Since the Inspira has Jap DNA in it,it automatically makes it better than any Korean make.Korean cars are upcoming but still they lack that something to make it on par with Japs.Their designs are good,but in terms of engineering and technology,they are still way way behind the Japs.Just that you guys dont see it onie.You guys compare which car has better features like start stop button ,auto headlights..etc etc..
Jap will forever > Korean in terms of automotive engineering.Now thats a fact.
Facts? sos please or gtfo. Cmon, even your favourite Toyota claims Hyundai as a tight competitor. You are just one of the fanboy who can't accept the fact here.

QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 16 2010, 12:11 AM)
And I never trust any review especially from American websites,why? Cuz even Americans make crappy cars.SO yea how can you trust their reviews?

No matter how good the rating on the web,it still boils down to real life driving. wink.gif
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I wonder how crappy can they be. They made a car that is able to compete with the Buggati Veyron. Do your homework please.

Bashing so much about korean cars in a forum is useless dude. Until one day you got your ass beaten by a korean car on the road, you wouldn't stop bashing them huh? I would be glad to do so.

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 16 2010, 09:32 AM)
Exactly. That shows i am not bias. I bash based on real life driving.Yes my Nhc has flaws but not as bad forte. So you can imagine where forte is. Wayyyyyyyyy back!

And yes forte leaves you speechless all the time ? Why cuz of its horrible drivetrain and driving experience. Ohyea was i speechless man!

Just admit it lah guys, i been driving jap cars for so long, up until now no single korean brand has been able to give the same jap driving experience.

If the car is good , i will praise just like i praised 308 turbo. But as i said , korean cars still hv a long way to go.

Hw they can survive in msia? Here you go, a minority of ppl that support them and most come frm this forum.
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doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

i dunno what to say.. really fanboy attitude.. kakakaka

same to T & H, blindly supported by fanboy that makes them survive even con their own hard earned money.

btw, i nearly bought dugong J manual or city lower spec before.. but im not a fanboy. rather give a chance to forte even i knew kia past history.. even BLM and myvi under my consideration also.. hahaha



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QUOTE(xVince @ Nov 16 2010, 12:47 PM)


Until one day you got your ass beaten by a korean car on the road, you wouldn't stop bashing them huh? I would be glad to do so.
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now, THAT has yet to happen.........
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QUOTE(maddriver @ Nov 16 2010, 09:51 AM)
now, THAT has yet to happen.........
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 16 2010, 12:53 PM)
it had happened.. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 16 2010, 10:32 AM)
Exactly. That shows i am not bias. I bash based on real life driving.Yes my Nhc has flaws but not as bad forte. So you can imagine where forte is. Wayyyyyyyyy back!

And yes forte leaves you speechless all the time ? Why cuz of its horrible drivetrain and driving experience. Ohyea was i speechless man!

Just admit it lah guys, i been driving jap cars for so long, up until now no single korean brand has been able to give the same jap driving experience.

If the car is good , i will praise just like i praised 308 turbo. But as i said , korean cars still hv a long way to go.

Hw they can survive in msia? Here you go, a minority of ppl that support them and most come frm this forum.
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This clearly shows u r NHC fanboy...i dun think VIOS suitable 4 u, so i called u NHC fanboy or Forte basher...

but clearly i have to say something, although I am Forte fanboy
TS, PLZ TEST DRIVE BOTH MODELS, 1.8 INSPIRA, 1.6 FORTE, AND 2.0 FORTE/INSPIRA....THE CONCLUSION IS URS, THE CHOICE IS URS, I'VE MADE MINE

as for NHCguy a.k.a. kevin23, horrible drivetrain??? can u plz explain more abt it?? coz my car dun seems hv the problem...
yes, i agree 2 u, Korean cars still hv long way 2 go, y??? T&H established in Malaysia since 198x...but korean established since 1996 in Malaysia....
so, definitely :
1. T&H more buyers choice
2. they are used to T&H quality at that time(now ald sucks)
3. the reliability and service/aftersales services on T&H
4. Spare parts availability due to CKD units in Malaysia(for new cars), where else Korean still CBU units(for new cars)
5. bcoz of the high amount of buyers, the price increased(overpriced)

yet for Korean :
1. Established in late 1990s
2. new brand for users
3. bad experienced on spectra/sephia/rio/ria
4. quality issues on spectra is a turn down
5. mostly bcoz of the spectra models, that buyers hate KIA/Hyundai
6. bcoz of CBU units at that time, aftersales services is not good
7. Forte is new generation vehicle for KIA, thus buyers have hard time 2 decided 2 go for it(but is a 100% total change for KIA)
8. bought by NAZA(that's wat i hate either) NAZA aftersales service from wat i heard, is worse than Hyundai and KIA(I believe now)

and u said PUG308T....admit is a very good car, but the price wise...haha
for me if i hav money, yup, i will go 4 that car...problem is, my budget is out if that car cost RM84k++
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dont ever buy car from kia...suck than proton cars...telan minyak bagai nak mampos...
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 16 2010, 10:49 AM)
doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif

i dunno what to say.. really fanboy attitude.. kakakaka

same to T & H, blindly supported by fanboy that makes them survive even con their own hard earned money.

btw, i nearly bought dugong J manual or city lower spec before.. but im not a fanboy. rather give a chance to forte even i knew kia past history.. even BLM and myvi under my consideration also.. hahaha
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yup....b4 i book my Forte, i was booking Saga BLM SE version auto as well, coz of salesman lied 2 me, i go for Forte..(4 mths vs. 2 weeks)


Added on November 16, 2010, 10:00 am
QUOTE(Witchblade @ Nov 16 2010, 10:56 AM)
dont ever buy car from kia...suck than proton cars...telan minyak bagai nak mampos...
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Prove it for Forte....
i admit, KIA Spectra, sephia, and maybe Rio is telan minyak
for u all said RIA is telan minyak also rite?? is MPV, different segment car, muz compare NAZA RIA/KIA Carnival with Toyota Estima/Alphard series...
then i wanna c u all said....telan minyak or not...

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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 16 2010, 09:53 AM)
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QUOTE(Witchblade @ Nov 16 2010, 09:56 AM)
dont ever buy car from kia...suck than proton cars...telan minyak bagai nak mampos...
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true for older generation. starting from spectra5 and rondo, its no more fuel guzzler.
people tend to compare car's FC based on price.. example naza ria and wira.. because the price value.. not a fair comparison at all..


QUOTE(xVince @ Nov 16 2010, 10:01 AM)
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Another "VS" thread? lol

Fight harder guys......
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QUOTE(W.ROOK @ Nov 16 2010, 10:16 AM)
Another "VS" thread? lol 

Fight harder guys......
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Btw. do you want some popcorn?
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 16 2010, 11:06 AM)
true for older generation. starting from spectra5 and rondo, its no more fuel guzzler.
people tend to compare car's FC based on price.. example naza ria and wira.. because the price value.. not a fair comparison at all..
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citra wun makan oso ler......
yes, coz RIA is a different segment car and also different class, 2.0V6 MPV. must compare with Toyota Estima/Alphard/Honda Odysee/Stream
Wira is a B-segment Sedan/HB car. the best competitor is T.Vios/H.City/Fiesta...
Forte is a C-segment sedan car. the best competitor is Civic/Altis/Focus
if wanna compare FC...plz compare accordingly, not according to price(which is for msia mindset buyer's choice only)


Added on November 16, 2010, 10:31 am1.6cc above, C-segment cars are mostly optimized for HW Cruise, not for City drive pleasure....so, if using it drive in city, sure feel telan minyak 1..KL exceptional coz HW everywhere...

where else from kancil 660 start till 1.5 are more optimized for City drive(that's y called Honda CITY)....thus u wun feel telan minyak during city drive, but FC is quite high on HW(same 2 my dad's old Toyota Avanza-traded in for N.Grand Livina 1.8)....

plz understand wat type of cars, design for wat type of roads/cruise....

not belif, try use BMW/Merc/Audi....pump RM50 petrol vs. Viva/Myvi RM50 petrol consumption....then u knw wat i mean..

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seems like spehia/spectra era really spoiled the reputation of korean automobile industry.
Forte is still the best korean model for now, of coz it still behind some japanese models but it not the worst.
keep it up korean, and also proton... i would to see a more healthy automobile industry but not dominate by certain brand (P,T&H).
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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Nov 15 2010, 06:49 PM)
Nothing is wrong (with the pricing)
Obviously Proton price will be alot cheaper than Mitsus.It will always be the playground for the G.
Just like Peugeot 206 and Naza Bestari (what a Kindergarten-school-like name). Same car, but because it's NAZA, obviously they can sell the same car cheaper with their own stickers.

TO me when I look into the Inspira..Proton is the same as Naza; they are good in one and only thing. Making quality badges & stickers for their cars.  doh.gif
It's cheaper to re-engineer their own plastic steering wheel with PROTON badge, and mod little bit the grill with PROTON badge, than to design a whole new car. The savings obviously is not passed to you suckers.

The way I look at it, it's like as though Proton had no choice but to reunite with it's divorced wife (Mitsubishi) after several failed attempts of unable get laid (read: LAID) with a German.
Proton, orang German bukan bodoh tau tak?
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LoL... So many butthurts in this tered~
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I think it is now not proton vs Kia but Mitsu vs Kia.
Ok pirated Mistu from proton.
Of course I like the pirated Mitsu.
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do all of u own both cars to compare? funny la~ bashing other cars with no true experience owning both cars... where has TS gone to?? bought the cars oredi?
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ts went missing without a conclusion or his opinion

i think jz another flamebait thread for fanboys
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Nov 16 2010, 02:39 PM)
ts went missing without a conclusion or his opinion

i think jz another flamebait thread for fanboys
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He just watching everyone here bashing each other so he can enjoy the show. Pls show ur face and close the thread. There are too, too many threads like this here. rclxlh.gif
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What you like, you choose and buy it.

I used to open Savvy vs Myvi topi.

In the end, all the truth and facts are already on the net in carsurvey.org, paultan.org, fastmotoring.com, zerotohundred.com etc....

Just read and make your own descision...

(i bought the savvy biggrin.gif)
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QUOTE(alcatrez @ Nov 16 2010, 04:08 PM)
What you like, you choose and buy it.

I used to open Savvy vs Myvi topi.

In the end, all the truth and facts are already on the net in carsurvey.org, paultan.org, fastmotoring.com, zerotohundred.com etc....

Just read and make your own descision...

(i bought the savvy biggrin.gif)
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lets prepare some pop corn tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pogostik @ Nov 16 2010, 10:21 AM)
+1

Btw. do you want some popcorn?
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i got some Root Beer...want some bro? lol. damn, i so wished i am a fanboi so i could join in the fight...disqualified. ish....
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inspira of coz..
putting mitsubishi badge then ppl will not recognize it anymore


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QUOTE(Witchblade @ Nov 16 2010, 09:56 AM)
dont ever buy car from kia...suck than proton cars...telan minyak bagai nak mampos...
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Trolllllllll...
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problem every time want to test drive proton car, they say need pay deposit...crazy protong sales person..
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problem every time want to test drive proton car, they say need pay deposit...crazy protong sales person..
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Haa? really arr? Which showroom you went? I went to Jln Ampng -- very good SA there! Last time I went there when I want to see the Inspira, test drive Persona and Exora previous week - at the end I didnt buy any ~ but the SA still friendly person! biggrin.gif rclxm9.gif
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wow, i am away for a day and so many responses from you all...

thank you, thank you for giving me your own thoughts...some are constructives, some based on personal experiences, and etc..

actually i do agree with some of the points, eg.

Kia engines makan minyak - YES, but i think that was last time. few of my friends driving new Kia models now and it's pretty ok (maybe not as FC saving like Toyota, but really much better compare to last time.

Proton material sux - YES, but i think since the new CEO comes over (from perodua), slowly and gradually the quality is improving, though i know it wont happen overnight. but the efforts are there. And if compare to Inspira now, besides the interior difference, i think majority are the same with Lancer right?

So, like most of you all said, everything got pros and cons. The one that I'm having 2nd though now is that Proton after sales services still bad (i know because my family stil drives proton cars), but I heard Kia after sales service not alot better than proton either...and kia resell value is lower and proton?

Pls dont bash me if my facts are wrong, but these are the things that i observe and hear myself, without much concrete proof.
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Anyhow, like most of you all said, test drive myself and then determine it later...i agree to this point. and i'll definately go try it out later. before that, let me ask you all few more questions.

My criteria of owning a new car are :-

Comfort driving - whether it's City or highway, and usually 2-5 people in my car most of the time (family). If drive highway at 110km/h, usually my existing proton/perodua will give some noise outside, so, a quiet car and comfort will be good.
Good FC - well, petrol price increasing worldwide, we'll never know when is the next hike. I'm considering between Forte 1.6 and Inspira 1.8.
Good resell value - I'll only sell my car after 5-7 years of driving, not the type that change my car periodically.
Speed, good pickup, sporty, not really my main criteria, but good to have if any.

So if based on the criteria above, which is betta?
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smart one choose inspira. stupid one choose fortek
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Hi, I'm a Forte owner, have tested Inspira.
Comfort wise, Forte wins with its spaciousness. also a note on the driver's left arm rest - your left arm can rest comfortably in Forte whereas in Inspira, it us too low and way too far from the gear knob.
FC wise, for city driving, Forte is clocking at 9-10L/100km whereas Inspira is 14L/100km. This can be not accurate though since the Inspira is still very new.
RV, Inspira seems more promising but dont discount Forte's potential since KIA has improved alot with their recent new models.
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Haha I wouldn't want to stop beside a lancer at a traffic light if I'm driving an inspira..forte 2.0 is nice smile.gif more safety features! Six airbags and traction control..

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QUOTE(seanoys @ Nov 16 2010, 10:56 PM)
Haha I wouldn't want to stop beside a lancer at a traffic light if I'm driving an inspira..forte 2.0 is nice smile.gif more safety features! Six airbags and traction control..
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You beat me to this post. I am suprised that Proton 2.0 did not offer Traction control and at least 6 airbags given that it enjoys local protection. I don't see what is the point of having auto rain and light sensor. To me the best buy is the 1.8 Inspira.

Forte is wider than the Inspira but shorter. I suppose looks is a subjective area.


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QUOTE(HappyPic @ Nov 16 2010, 11:17 PM)
smart one choose inspira. stupid one choose fortek
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smart one choose inspira, Forte really leave ppl SPEECHLESS drool.gif drool.gif
wat can u say?

i would say, smart 1 will be the 1 not so smart ones.....

it says SMART....which can be following :
not SMART at all, SMART abit, not so SMART one, SMART person, SMARTer abit, very SMART

i think Inspira will be in SMART abit or not so SMART one tab...

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QUOTE(luckykid5 @ Nov 16 2010, 09:50 PM)
wow, i am away for a day and so many responses from you all...

thank you, thank you for giving me your own thoughts...some are constructives, some based on personal experiences, and etc..

actually i do agree with some of the points, eg.

Kia engines makan minyak - YES, but i think that was last time. few of my friends driving new Kia models now and it's pretty ok (maybe not as FC saving like Toyota, but really much better compare to last time.

Proton material sux - YES, but i think since the new CEO comes over (from perodua), slowly and gradually the quality is improving, though i know it wont happen overnight. but the efforts are there. And if compare to Inspira now, besides the interior difference, i think majority are the same with Lancer right?

So, like most of you all said, everything got pros and cons. The one that I'm having 2nd though now is that Proton after sales services still bad (i know because my family stil drives proton cars), but I heard Kia after sales service not alot better than proton either...and kia resell value is lower and proton?

Pls dont bash me if my facts are wrong, but these are the things that i observe and hear myself, without much concrete proof.
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Anyhow, like most of you all said, test drive myself and then determine it later...i agree to this point. and i'll definately go try it out later. before that, let me ask you all few more questions.

My criteria of owning a new car are :-

Comfort driving - whether it's City or highway, and usually 2-5 people in my car most of the time (family). If drive highway at 110km/h, usually my existing proton/perodua will give some noise outside, so, a quiet car and comfort will be good.
Good FC - well, petrol price increasing worldwide, we'll never know when is the next hike. I'm considering between Forte 1.6 and Inspira 1.8.
Good resell value - I'll only sell my car after 5-7 years of driving, not the type that change my car periodically.
Speed, good pickup, sporty, not really my main criteria, but good to have if any.

So if based on the criteria above, which is betta?
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If you're not worried about pickup, then the Forte might be better. I warn though. Went to test drive the Forte, and immediately the SA couldn't open the door properly (spoilt). Next I fiddled with the aircon vents and noticed one vane was not moving... (spoilt). If the test drive car is already in this condition, the many extra "toys" of the forte now seem like a liability. No idea which part will spoil next. Check out the Forte forum, and you already find problems with the start button. It will be VERY annoying if that happens on a Monday morning when you need to get to work on time. I have no comments on the Inspira's reliability, since it's new. Could be worse, could be better... but my bets are, Inspira parts will be abundant and cheap to replace eventually. Can't say the same for the Forte. If you are only after comfort level and noise levels, a test drive will be very beneficial in determining your choice.




QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 17 2010, 12:29 AM)
smart one choose inspira, Forte really leave ppl SPEECHLESS  drool.gif  drool.gif
wat can u say?

i would say, smart 1 will be the 1 not so smart ones.....

it says SMART....which can be following :
not SMART at all, SMART abit, not so SMART one, SMART person, SMARTer abit, very SMART

i think Inspira will be in SMART abit or not so SMART one tab...
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Lame. rolleyes.gif The least you could say was "Proton was being sarcastic". Adding words to a text changes it's context, which is what you are doing. I can also say the Forte left me speechless with its horrid response to throttle taps, delay in bringing on the power when I stomped the pedal, speechless at the malfunctioning "features". Really speechless... but this is just an example... I'm not speechless... In fact, I expect things to break down aha. Just showing you how lame your attempt is.

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QUOTE(luckykid5 @ Nov 16 2010, 09:50 PM)
My criteria of owning a new car are :-

Comfort driving - whether it's City or highway, and usually 2-5 people in my car most of the time (family). If drive highway at 110km/h, usually my existing proton/perodua will give some noise outside, so, a quiet car and comfort will be good.
Good FC - well, petrol price increasing worldwide, we'll never know when is the next hike. I'm considering between Forte 1.6 and Inspira 1.8.
Good resell value - I'll only sell my car after 5-7 years of driving, not the type that change my car periodically.
Speed, good pickup, sporty, not really my main criteria, but good to have if any.

So if based on the criteria above, which is betta?
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comfort driving ; forte slightly ahead(just) in term of nvh rate. but forte was sold in lower profile tires for the looks? and changing to different profile tires
may required the recalibration of mds in 2.0 model. not to mentioned changing tires sizes.
inspira ride is leaning towards sporty feel which is slightly stiffer and more composed.
Good FC ; if you can stand the constant gear changing in traffic jam, inspira 1.8 manual is the choice over the 1.6 forte.
Good resell value ; very subjective issue. korean's car resale value used to sux' to the max. but forte is a new model.
a friend of mine sold his year old car(from his own evaluation) car was bought at the end of last year.
while standard industry calculation render the car to be as good as 2 years old car, thus used car evaluator value his car at 5x,xxx bucks.
he sold it to a relative at 6x,xxx. smile.gif
since inspira was a re-badge lancer, it should be able to hold its value better than its predecessor(existing proton model).

oh, drove a friend's forte before he sold it and test drive the inspira 2.0 too.
and inspira's handling is almost 2 step ahead of the forte. you should test drive and feel for yourself smile.gif


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Come on guys..if you wanna check out forte 1.6 you all should not expect POWER like a 2.0l..I'm sure all of you are well educated and know that 17inch rims and the chasis of a forte are heavy therefore the 1.6 isn't that powerful but to me personally it's enough..if you wanna compare forte and inspira compare with forte 2.0..can't keep comparing 1.6 vs 1.8 cause sure 1.6 will lose to 1.8(performance wise only) features forte wins every b segment and c segment jap cars
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waaa.. wah wah! belum abis lagi tered ini. no point arguing really guys.

some buy a car for the look, some becos of fuel consumption, some for its power, some for the comfort, some plainly based on manufacturer.

forte n inspire, both look good, set at a very competitive pricing. both rather comfortable. both will be able to pick up HOT CHICK. so apa nak gaduh?

last time 102k, my option perdana V6 je... ha itu I nak gaduh, butthurt ghan pricing kete sekarang tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yngwie @ Nov 17 2010, 06:42 AM)
comfort driving ; forte slightly ahead(just) in term of nvh rate. but forte was sold in lower profile tires for the looks? and changing to different profile tires
may required the recalibration of mds in 2.0 model. not to mentioned changing tires sizes.
inspira ride is leaning towards sporty feel which is slightly stiffer and more composed.
Good FC ; if you can stand the constant gear changing in traffic jam, inspira 1.8 manual is the choice over the 1.6 forte.
Good resell value ; very subjective issue. korean's car resale value used to sux' to the max. but forte is a new model.
a friend of mine sold his year old car(from his own evaluation) car was bought at the end of last year.
while standard industry calculation render the car to be as good as 2 years old car, thus used car evaluator value his car at 5x,xxx bucks.
he sold it to a relative at 6x,xxx.  smile.gif
since inspira was a re-badge lancer, it should be able to hold its value better than its predecessor(existing proton model).

oh, drove a friend's forte before he sold it and test drive the inspira 2.0 too.
and inspira's handling is almost 2 step ahead of the forte. you should test drive and feel for yourself  smile.gif
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Just test drove the inspira 1.8 and i can officially say it is anytime better than forte.

Forte is no match at all lah. Inspira feels so jap which is fantastic! Pick up is great and the playing with the gears using the gearstick is just a joy to drive. Responsive with loads of made in japan parts,forte does not even come close!

This inspira really has got to be the buy of the year!
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wan performance : Forte 2.0/Inspira 2.0&1.8(from best to lowest)
wan safety : Forte 2.0
wan FC : Forte 1.6 EX/SX
wan Handling : Inspira 2.0&1.8
wan Grippyness/Stability/less body rolls : Forte SX series
wan Comfort : Forte 1.6 EX(SX not bad too)


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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 17 2010, 02:39 PM)
Just test drove the inspira 1.8 and i can officially say it is anytime better than forte.

Forte is no match at all lah. Inspira feels so jap which is fantastic! Pick up is great and the playing with the gears using the gearstick is just a joy to drive. Responsive with loads of made in japan parts,forte does not even come close!

This inspira really has got to be the buy of the year!
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another reply from NHC guy a.k.a. Forte basher....
aiyo....plz get out la.....always show off ur NHC

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I dont even know why they bother comparing forte with inspira. Its not even a close fight.

Inspira feels so solid and the steering gives plenty of feedback. Ride is superb for a Proton! I dont need push start buttons, gimme an inspira!


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sure handling inspira better.....coz got lotus technology.....and the only thing between inspira win forte 1.6 is engine displacement....
besides these 2....Inspira is 2nd to none...
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Even if forte 2.0 vs inspira 2.0, inspira will win hands down.

Totally no match at all..
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win or not win.......u r refering 2 illegal racing....rite???
u wan it???
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lol. what a funny fanboy arguement. kakakkakakaka

gimme pop corn
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lol...come here i will giv u pop corn tongue.gif
as for kevin...if u wan compare inspira 2.0 wif forte 2.0......
straight road is useless
why not compare high speed corner??? i wan c ur opinion


Added on November 17, 2010, 2:07 pma car with 16'' rim no TCS/ESC compare with 17'' with TCS/ESC......
inspira anytime will go to hell
that is if u really wan try performance..straight now is useless.....test cornering la

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gimme a popcorn, taipan
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any drinks with the popcorn sir?
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 17 2010, 02:11 PM)
gimme a popcorn, taipan
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errr.. it's you and kevin the main actor.

we're just watching.
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actor wans pop-corn 2.....
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 17 2010, 02:14 PM)
actor wans pop-corn 2.....
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i dont see actors, only spectators & some fans throwing fansign & posters at each other. it would have been a 3 way fight if a certain Toyota warrior joins in. FAN is RAW. lol.

sorry but i always try to maintain a clear line between enthusiasm & fanboism. odd how some peeps gets ego boost from driving certain rides... hmm.gif ...it's not like the two compared cars are highly sought after or exclusive also.
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lol...mayb this show special lor...actor oso can get popcorn from penonton 1
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Lancer/inspira chassis is stronger right? look at the A pillar.
Fortis:


Lancer:

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lol at this thread....
for forte vs lancer, forte already won hand down from many professional review...
but hey...wake up...this is malaysia...so inspira might win coz some might even think lancer is good becoz it's got evo look tongue.gif
btw, forte pick up for 1.6 is not soo good...

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that is lancer....inspira quality might be lowered...
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when this thread will close ar??? =_='' both car are good la.. no more arguing plz..
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Bro,can u give the reason why the quality lose to Forte evendo Inspira is consider so called CBU unit!

quote=XionCity,Nov 17 2010, 02:37 PM]
that is lancer....inspira quality might be lowered...
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the price ald lowered alot compare with Lancer GT which cost RM13xxxx
why the price lowered if the QA same as lancer GT?
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 17 2010, 02:46 PM)
the price ald lowered alot compare with Lancer GT which cost RM13xxxx
why the price lowered if the QA same as lancer GT?
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because of excise duty exemption laa shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Lemon @ Nov 17 2010, 02:33 PM)
Lancer/inspira chassis is stronger right? look at the A pillar.
Fortis:


Lancer:

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lancer euro ncap rating

http://www.euroncap.com/results/mitsubishi...11-b37f9369f2f7

however no forte result as the car is not sold in europe.


http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/attachment...listupdate1.jpg

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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Nov 17 2010, 03:47 PM)
because of excise duty exemption laa shakehead.gif
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lol...got so big difference meh??
my fren which owns a Lancer EX current model, compare with Inspira, said Inspira quality nt dat gd compare with his lower specs lancer EX...
same feel as interior
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 17 2010, 02:47 PM)
lancer euro ncap rating

http://www.euroncap.com/results/mitsubishi...11-b37f9369f2f7

however no forte result as the car is not sold in europe.
http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/attachment...listupdate1.jpg
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but can see that the A pillar of the Forte buckled while the lancer didn't. either way, i think both cars are good, just depends on the buyer.
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 17 2010, 02:49 PM)
lol...got so big difference meh??
my fren which owns a Lancer EX current model, compare with Inspira, said Inspira quality nt dat gd compare with his lower specs lancer EX...
same feel as interior
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because your fren butthurt? no? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 17 2010, 02:49 PM)
lol...got so big difference meh??
my fren which owns a Lancer EX current model, compare with Inspira, said Inspira quality nt dat gd compare with his lower specs lancer EX...
same feel as interior
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of course la..lancer CBU la.. shakehead.gif

what quality not that good? specifically? probably the seats not so firm, but 30k there man...
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dunno....he said feels not so solid as his EX.....dunno la....that's between him and inspira....i seen only, nv test drive....so dunno lo
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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Nov 17 2010, 02:50 PM)
but can see that the A pillar of the Forte buckled while the lancer didn't. either way, i think both cars are good, just depends on the buyer.
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dunno.. forte only have NHTSA crash official result



Added on November 17, 2010, 2:56 pm


btw this is lancer NCAP full review.

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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 17 2010, 02:49 PM)
lol...got so big difference meh??
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Yeah got..
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Bro,
U cannot simply said Inspira QC is lower than ori lancer.
Unless u got solid prove,but u r just a sore loser becos u cannot agreed more ppl prefer Inspira than Forte whistling.gif

QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 17 2010, 02:53 PM)
dunno....he said feels not so solid as his EX.....dunno la....that's between him and inspira....i seen only, nv test drive....so dunno lo
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 17 2010, 02:55 PM)
dunno.. forte only have NHTSA crash official result



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btw this is lancer NCAP full review.
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it is quite obvious that the lancer is slightly better, but it should be noted that these meant nothing unless proton can prove with a crash test that it is the same as the lancer.

Proton sent 5 cars to Japan to undergo crash testing and we can only wait and see.

Source

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is not my review....is juz i asked my fren 2 test inspira....that's his result
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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Nov 17 2010, 03:02 PM)
it is quite obvious that the lancer is slightly better, but it should be noted that these meant nothing unless proton can prove with a crash test that it is the same as the lancer.

Proton sent 5 cars to Japan to undergo crash testing and we can only wait and see.
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hard to compare coz forte is missing from EuroNCAP rating. only got lancer.
same goes to NHTSA (US rating), only have forte rating and lancer rating is not available.

proton? should be the same with lancer i guess

just bear in mind that the rating for both EuroNCAP and NHTSA is for high end model.
for forte, applicable for 2.0SX and above. same goes to Lancer/Inspira.
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 17 2010, 03:07 PM)
hard to compare coz forte is missing from EuroNCAP rating. only got lancer.
same goes to NHTSA (US rating), only have forte rating and lancer rating is not available.

proton? should be the same with lancer i guess

just bear in mind that the rating for both EuroNCAP and NHTSA is for high end model.
for forte, applicable for 2.0SX and above. same goes to Lancer/Inspira.
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just have a look at the A-pillars and door..the forte crumples while the lancer didn't

Well, hopefully the lancer and inspira would be the same
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ok lah....now i wan retired from 'actor' here...
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did anyone notice inspira body like tin milo , did inspira go for crash test ?
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=.='
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forte is not a bad car, but sorry to say that inspira (or LANCER if u insist) is a better car...


Added on November 17, 2010, 3:11 pm
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did anyone notice inspira body like tin milo , did inspira go for crash test ?
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butthurt will remain butthurt whistling.gif

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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Nov 17 2010, 03:08 PM)
just have a look at the A-pillars and door..the forte crumples while the lancer didn't

Well, hopefully the lancer and inspira would be the same
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yup. i know what you want to highlight. if front impact (one side) forte one's crumple. (for ncap review) which lancer didn't.
overall its still 5 star rating from NHTSA (only got front impact (both side))
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go test drive
then whatever u read from here will be redundant
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Toyota and Honda best of the cars la - ok now that I out these two brands here in this thread - welcome all those fanboys from Vios to Altis, City to Civic and Accord - hell, lets ask the Hyundai boys too - and not forgetting - the VW and also Benz and also BMW, so let the floodgates open. Don't understand all these protective comments - just buy what you like - its your money (or maybe parents money, maybe BF/GF money, Sugar Daddy or Sugar Mummy, who cares) as long as the car brings a smile to your face, thats what counts..........tired already reading this thread. MOD, please help..........
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 17 2010, 02:49 PM)
lol...got so big difference meh??
my fren which owns a Lancer EX current model, compare with Inspira, said Inspira quality nt dat gd compare with his lower specs lancer EX...
same feel as interior
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Sorry, i'm not fan boy.. but my brother who own lancer said, they are the same, only cd player, speedo meter and tachometer is different.
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QUOTE(luckykid5 @ Nov 15 2010, 03:01 PM)
Well, as per above..

which one do you prefer?

I'm torn in between also, since both pricing nearly the same. 80-90k.

Inspira
Pros
spacious
engine and exterior material = mitsubishi
price worth the money spent

Cons
after sales service = proton
compromise on the interior quality

Forte
Pros
Price worth the money spent on the features offered
support by kia (assuming better than proton)

Cons
smaller compare to inspira
heard will consume more petrol after few years if no tuning done to the engine
lower resell value compare to inspira
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1st of all, the original lancer oso never famous for its interior, even the rm330k evo x interior feels cheap...

after sales service, proton is of coz not the best, but there are lots of bad examples too, including big players like toyota and honda...

feature/equipment wise, i dont think forte is much superior than inspira/lancer...

and last but not least, fc most of the times depends on HOW STRONG IS UR RIGHT FOOT icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on November 17, 2010, 3:18 pm
QUOTE(toyotarave @ Nov 17 2010, 03:13 PM)
Toyota and Honda best of the cars la - ok now that I out these two brands here in this thread - welcome all those fanboys from Vios to Altis, City to Civic and Accord - hell, lets ask the Hyundai boys too - and not forgetting - the VW and also Benz and also BMW, so let the floodgates open. Don't understand all these protective comments - just buy what you like - its your money (or maybe parents money, maybe BF/GF money, Sugar Daddy or Sugar Mummy, who cares) as long as the car brings a smile to your face, thats what counts..........tired already reading this thread. MOD, please help..........
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toyota and honda best? in ur dreams maybe sweat.gif

but couldnt agree more with on "just buy what you like - its your money"

buy the car u like, not the car other ppl suggest to u, bcoz u are the one who is gonna drive it everyday, see it everyday...

why care so much abt resale value when u really love a car?



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aiya....in the end....i juz say la....lancer, forte, and inspira....QA not much different.....rite??
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Did you know forte is awarded 'Top Safety Pick' By Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. flex.gif Haha so funny how some people condem other brands..if hate forte so much then don't buy la don't insult all KIA forte drivers..

http://i.autoblog.com/2010/04/20/kia-forte...op-safety-pick/


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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 17 2010, 03:19 PM)
aiya....in the end....i juz say la....lancer, forte, and inspira....QA not much different.....rite??
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QUOTE(geforce88 @ Nov 17 2010, 03:15 PM)
1st of all, the original lancer oso never famous for its interior, even the rm330k evo x interior feels cheap...

after sales service, proton is of coz not the best, but there are lots of bad examples too, including big players like toyota and honda...

feature/equipment wise, i dont think forte is much superior than inspira/lancer...

and last but not least, fc most of the times depends on HOW STRONG IS UR RIGHT FOOT  icon_rolleyes.gif
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lolz.. do your homework.. inspira no tweeter and simple HU without USB input.
which Forte 6CD changer + USB + iphone/ipod input + tweeter.

not to mention inspira lack of TCS and other small things (auto-chromatic back mirror, autoclimate aircond, autoheat side mirror).

now i'm look a fanboy. haha
just cant help to just read and let other people mislead with this statement
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 17 2010, 03:22 PM)
lolz.. do your homework.. inspira no tweeter and simple HU without USB input.
which Forte 6CD changer + USB + iphone/ipod input + tweeter.

not to mention inspira lack of TCS and other small things (auto-chromatic back mirror, autoclimate aircond, autoheat side mirror).

now i'm look a fanboy. haha
just cant help to just read and let other people mislead with this statement
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NOT FORGETTING LARGE LARGEEEEEEEE BOOT SPACE FOR FORTE!!!! muahaha notworthy.gif
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Inspira oso gt large boot space....
but wat i can say is...Forte more spacious
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 17 2010, 03:22 PM)
lolz.. do your homework.. inspira no tweeter and simple HU without USB input.
which Forte 6CD changer + USB + iphone/ipod input + tweeter.

not to mention inspira lack of TCS and other small things (auto-chromatic back mirror, autoclimate aircond, autoheat side mirror).

now i'm look a fanboy. haha
just cant help to just read and let other people mislead with this statement
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lol laugh.gif i can get a much better ICE at accessories shop...


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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 17 2010, 03:22 PM)
lolz.. do your homework.. inspira no tweeter and simple HU without USB input.
which Forte 6CD changer + USB + iphone/ipod input + tweeter.

not to mention inspira lack of TCS and other small things (auto-chromatic back mirror, autoclimate aircond, autoheat side mirror).

now i'm look a fanboy. haha
just cant help to just read and let other people mislead with this statement
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http://funtastickodesign.files.wordpress.c...jpg?w=614&h=460 inspira also got auto climate aircond. it also got auto wiper (rain sensor) and auto lamp.
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QUOTE(geforce88 @ Nov 17 2010, 04:30 PM)
lol  laugh.gif  i can get a much better ICE at accessories shop...
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with wasting more money than with stock 1?
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my conclusion is

simply put 1.8M Lancer with 5speed manual in Forte than you can get the best combination there.

forte lack in engine compartment and gearbox only 4speed.
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QUOTE(Lemon @ Nov 17 2010, 04:30 PM)
http://funtastickodesign.files.wordpress.c...jpg?w=614&h=460 inspira also got auto climate aircond. it also got auto wiper (rain sensor) and auto lamp.
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other than those 3......dun hv....still Forte more worth for $$$
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 17 2010, 03:26 PM)
Inspira oso gt large boot space....
but wat i can say is...Forte more spacious
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lancer/inspira more spacious...

forte makes me feel like mazda3...
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izzit??
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 17 2010, 03:31 PM)
other than those 3......dun hv....still Forte more worth for $$$
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lancer is bigger icon_rolleyes.gif

looks more agressive (afterall its a striped down evo) thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Lemon @ Nov 17 2010, 03:30 PM)
http://funtastickodesign.files.wordpress.c...jpg?w=614&h=460 inspira also got auto climate aircond. it also got auto wiper (rain sensor) and auto lamp.
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oh my mistake. is it applicable to lower end spec also?
yup. inspira got autowiper which is good to have.


autoheadlamp both forte and inspira have.


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izzit??
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i tot u said u want retire d from acting? lolz

QUOTE(geforce88 @ Nov 17 2010, 03:33 PM)
lancer is bigger  icon_rolleyes.gif

looks more agressive (afterall its a striped down evo)  thumbup.gif
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ya i love the front look of lancer. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
shark.. put shark fin antenna = complete shark look alike.. rclxm9.gif

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eh the 2.0 inspira got auto-climate air-conditioning ar? i went to check out the showroom unit yesterday, 2.0P seems like dont have eh.....
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Forte's rear torsion beam suspension which let me down... it's the same suspension type like myvi, viva and vios etc...
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Exterior :
Forte
W=1775mm
L=4530mm
H=1460mm
Wheelbase=2650mm
Inspira
W=1760mm
L=4570mm
H=1490mm
Wheelbase=2635mm

Interior :
Forte
W=1467mm
L=1903mm
H=1207mm
Inspira
W=1421mm
L=2030mm
H=1190mm

Source :
http://www.protoninspira.com/
http://www.nazakia.com.my/sedans/forte/specifications


Added on November 17, 2010, 3:46 pmnow which 1 is more big and spacious?

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lol just step in and compare the interior for both.. lol..
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post Nov 17 2010, 03:51 PM

donno lol..
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 17 2010, 03:49 PM)
lol just step in and compare the interior for both.. lol..
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Hey - why no more squabbling? Just waiting for someone to compare with my barebone Z4, cannot compare with other brands la - so boring and bare.........
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Will u feel that kind of small margin?
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QUOTE(Lemon @ Nov 17 2010, 03:41 PM)
Forte's rear torsion beam suspension which let me down... it's the same suspension type like myvi, viva and vios etc...
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hmmmm... Honda Euro Type-R using and had rav reviews ?

by the way its not the same as the cars u stated above.... u just assume so.
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QUOTE(toyotarave @ Nov 17 2010, 04:53 PM)
Hey - why no more squabbling? Just waiting for someone to compare with my barebone Z4, cannot compare with other brands la - so boring and bare.........
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we're not gonna compare, coz is irrelevant to the topic TS wanted..
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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 17 2010, 04:24 PM)
hmmmm... Honda Euro Type-R using and had rav reviews ?

by the way its not the same as the cars u stated above.... u just assume so.
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multi award winner supercar reynold r32 also used torsion beam...

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When i create this thread, it's for my own reference only, didnt meant for ppl to shoot each other or something like that.

i'm not very familiar when it comes to car, can say i'm a noob...been driving either perodua/proton RM50k and below my whole life (same goes to my family). so i'm thinking to get some hearing from those who have drive lancer/inspira/forte and come share wit me so that i can have a better judgement later.

test drive wise, i'm quite clueless if the engine is good, since i rarely speed. tat's why as long as it's comfort, spacious, FC good, practical and good resell value later, that is what i want to get end of the day.

earlier, i gave 3 criteria to select the car, but i've missed out something...

1) Comfort & spacious
2) Good FC (auto only, not interested in manual)
3) Good resell value after 5-7 years
4) Good after sales service (at least during the maintenance period)
5) Reasonable spare parts (in case after warranty gone)

Well, basically i like both design. i'm trying to get one that is suitable to bring a family of 5 driving around.

i know end of the day it's my money, so i can pick anything i want. but rm90k is not a small amount also, so i want to hear all thoughts before making a decision. after all, i'll be driving it for the next 5-7 years, before i upgrade my car again.

thanks again for your inputs
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Well jus buy the car u like don criticize Forte or Inspira. sweat.gif
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dont get me wrong, i'm not trying to ask ppl to criticize inspira nor forte..

jst want to hear all the pros and cons, and from there, use it as reference and make the decision myself later.
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anyhow u should test drive first.
then ask appropriate question at their own respective sub forum (or search if it has been discussed before)

if you ask here, non-forte/non-lancer/non-inspira owner will just give a blank shot, bash and criticize without fact.


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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 17 2010, 03:46 PM)
Exterior :
Forte
W=1775mm
L=4530mm
H=1460mm
Wheelbase=2650mm
Inspira
W=1760mm
L=4570mm
H=1490mm
Wheelbase=2635mm

Interior :
Forte
W=1467mm
L=1903mm
H=1207mm
Inspira
W=1421mm
L=2030mm
H=1190mm

Source :
http://www.protoninspira.com/
http://www.nazakia.com.my/sedans/forte/specifications


Added on November 17, 2010, 3:46 pmnow which 1 is more big and spacious?
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Lolz,such tiny difference.I bet you dont even bother about it when you are driving the car.If that kinda difference is so important to you,then you must be a very very obese man.

Anyhow,TS why dont i recommend you to test drive the Inspira 1.8? If got budget get the 2.0.

AS for Forte 1.6,pickup is teruk.I dont know how that engine can win so many awards.Dont even want to know.Might not even be credited.

If you must get a Forte,you have to get the 2.0 lah TS,cuz 1.6 seriously lacking in engine and driving dynamics.Its seriously not nice to drive at all.

Inspira on the other hand ,has much better driver involvement .Forget about all those "extras" on the Forte.The reason why Forte has to include all these "EXTRAS" is because without it,FORTE will never sell well in Msia.

EXTRAS like pushstart,auto this and that.All these are marketing gimmicks.The main thing when you buy a car is,the engine has gotta be a good one,driving pleasure has to be there.And forte is not even close to that at all.

DOnt be fooled by gimmicks like mentioned above.Cause at the end of the day,you are gonna drive the car not bother about the EXTRAS when you are driving on the road.

Ok,TS you may close this thread now.Thank you everyone for watching.Dont eat too much popcorn,you might get fat and need a bigger car "LIKE FORTE"


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i think like i want to host a Malaysia Top Gear Special Edition (Inspira) next year to bring up challenge from other car with Inspira..so that can satisfy everyone...

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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 17 2010, 04:24 PM)
hmmmm... Honda Euro Type-R using and had rav reviews ?

by the way its not the same as the cars u stated above.... u just assume so.
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its a honda euro type-R for crying out loud...
do u have any idea how much work honda, renault has put into the development to ensure that even with torsion beam, their car can really handles?
and check out their target market again for their car.... outright performance.... comfort is the last thing on their list...

and now compared it to bread and butter cars like forte, slyphy, vios, altis, saga etc...

-speechless-
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QUOTE(nash9701 @ Nov 17 2010, 07:00 PM)
i think like i want to host a Malaysia Top Gear Special Edition (Inspira) next year to bring up challenge from other car with Inspira..so that can satisfy everyone...

(^__^)
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you will never be able to satisfy everyone.Cuz KIA fanboy will say forte is the best while Proton fanboy will say Inspira is the best.

I am a Honda fella,and I am saying a PROTON INSPIRA is the better car.SO go figure!

But if you have a chance at hosting MTGSE ,i would love to attend the show in person.Would be great to see how Japs can put a nail in the coffin to this Jap vs Kor argument.

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 17 2010, 07:05 PM)
you will never be able to satisfy everyone.Cuz KIA fanboy will say forte is the best while Proton fanboy will say Inspira is the best.

I am a Honda fella,and I am saying a PROTON INSPIRA is the better car.SO go figure!

But if you have a chance at hosting MTGSE ,i would love to attend the show in person.Would be great to see how Japs can put a nail in the coffin to this Jap vs Kor argument.
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inspira is originated from lancer. lancer is from a japanese car maker.
so basically you're just a japs fanboy whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif

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kevin23 is a wayyy buthurt city fanboi lol...
pity him..us inspira and forte owner pays the same amount of money for a multiaward winner C-segment car while kevin forks out the same amount to buy a crappy B-segment toy car.

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 17 2010, 07:39 PM)
kevin23 is a wayyy buthurt city fanboi lol...
pity him..us inspira and forte owner pays the same amount of money for a multiaward winner C-segment car while kevin forks out the same amount to buy a crappy B-segment toy car.
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inspira owner and forte owner can be good friends.. C segment Value Team (CVT) LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif love it!!
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When i saw lancer take over me on Highway, i say "WOW! LANCER"... When i saw a forte take over, has nothing much special feeling... so i vote inspira, can mod exterior to EVO! thumbup.gif
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Inspira because of the MT options.
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QUOTE(Kenneth728 @ Nov 17 2010, 08:28 PM)
When i saw lancer take over me on Highway, i say "WOW! LANCER"...  When i saw a forte take over, has nothing much special feeling... so i vote inspira, can mod exterior to EVO!  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(twentyninesix @ Nov 17 2010, 07:52 PM)
inspira owner and forte owner can be  good friends.. C segment Value Team (CVT) LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  love it!!
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yes lol.since so many ppl butthurt over forte (korean) and inspira (proton rebadge) they can really team up and go againts those jap fanbois lol
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yes lol.since so many ppl butthurt over forte (korean) and inspira (proton rebadge) they can really team up and go againts those jap fanbois lol
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And they still can't win against CM98 alone. But then CM98 has shown some interests in Forte. Forte will get a formidable supporter if CM98 decided to switch camp. So beware all of you Korean-bashers!

**@CM98,
Please take it as compliment. I admit sometimes I got bored reading your arguments (because you're always emphasize on resale value) but I can't deny the truth in it. However, if you're offended with this post, please let me know. I'll remove it.
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QUOTE(Pogostik @ Nov 17 2010, 10:16 PM)
And they still can't win against CM98 alone. But then CM98 has shown some interests in Forte. Forte will get a formidable supporter if CM98 decided to switch camp. So beware all of you Korean-bashers!

**@CM98,
Please take it as compliment. I admit sometimes I got bored reading your arguments (because you're always emphasize on resale value) but I can't deny the truth in it. However, if you're offended with this post, please let me know. I'll remove it.
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biggrin.gif True story lol.
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 17 2010, 07:01 PM)
its a honda euro type-R for crying out loud...
do u have any idea how much work honda, renault has put into the development to ensure that even with torsion beam, their car can really handles?
and check out their target market again for their car.... outright performance.... comfort is the last thing on their list...

and now compared it to bread and butter cars like forte, slyphy, vios, altis, saga etc...

-speechless-
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lets see renault and euro civic (non type r) uses t-beam all set for comfort bias also
so did citreon and others.... so what gives? bad for performance? nope the above statement says its capable to be tuned for track
bad for comfort? nope cause most comfort bias cars also use t-beam so whats wrong with it? hmm.gif

not good enough???
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 17 2010, 06:52 PM)
Lolz,such tiny difference.I bet you dont even bother about it when you are driving the car.If that kinda difference is so important to you,then you must be a very very obese man.

Anyhow,TS why dont i recommend you to test drive the Inspira 1.8? If got budget get the 2.0.

AS for Forte 1.6,pickup is teruk.I dont know how that engine can win so many awards.Dont even want to know.Might not even be credited.

If you must get a Forte,you have to get the 2.0 lah TS,cuz 1.6 seriously lacking in engine and driving dynamics.Its seriously not nice to drive at all.

Inspira on the other hand ,has much better driver involvement .Forget about all those "extras" on the Forte.The reason why Forte has to include all these "EXTRAS" is because without it,FORTE will never sell well in Msia.

EXTRAS like pushstart,auto this and that.All these are marketing gimmicks.The main thing when you buy a car is,the engine has gotta be a good one,driving pleasure has to be there.And forte is not even close to that at all.

DOnt be fooled by gimmicks like mentioned above.Cause at the end of the day,you are gonna drive the car not bother about the EXTRAS when you are driving on the road.

Ok,TS you may close this thread now.Thank you everyone for watching.Dont eat too much popcorn,you might get fat and need a bigger car "LIKE FORTE"
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Come on man..do your maths..check out fortes weight..what rims forte is using? 17inch! What is the spare tyre for the forte? A full 17inch rim with original tyre! The car is so heavy and is powered by a 1.6.. OF COURSE you expect it to be slow laaa...sheesh..it's already good that the 1.6 gamma engine can take the load and provide sufficient power to move the car..and why are you condeming forte until like this?! You know why Kia is throwing all the "goodies" in? Yes it's marketing but don't you think its a smart marketing plan? Kia wants to gain back the consumers trust! Which is obviously working..pls think and research more before you condem cars..
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 17 2010, 07:52 PM)
Lolz,such tiny difference.I bet you dont even bother about it when you are driving the car.If that kinda difference is so important to you,then you must be a very very obese man.

Anyhow,TS why dont i recommend you to test drive the Inspira 1.8? If got budget get the 2.0.

1. AS for Forte 1.6,pickup is teruk.I dont know how that engine can win so many awards.Dont even want to know.Might not even be credited.

If you must get a Forte,you have to get the 2.0 lah TS,2. cuz 1.6 seriously lacking in engine and driving dynamics.Its seriously not nice to drive at all.

Inspira on the other hand ,has much better driver involvement 3.Forget about all those "extras" on the Forte.The reason why Forte has to include all these "EXTRAS" is because without it,FORTE will never sell well in Msia.

EXTRAS like pushstart,auto this and that.All these are marketing gimmicks.4. The main thing when you buy a car is,the engine has gotta be a good one,driving pleasure has to be there.And forte is not even close to that at all.

DOnt be fooled by gimmicks like mentioned above.5. Cause at the end of the day,you are gonna drive the car not bother about the EXTRAS when you are driving on the road.

Ok,TS you may close this thread now.Thank you everyone for watching.Dont eat too much popcorn,you might get fat and need a bigger car "LIKE FORTE"
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1. Agree, coz body and RIM(5 of them) are heavy. 1.6 n 2.0 body....but not too underpower when engine breaks in..
2. 1.6 lacking in engine power...yes, coz that body+rim mainly design for 2.0 or the new 1.6GDI engine.....BUT!!!!!!!! FC's good....better than 2.0(cause i owned 1.6)
since TS said, power nt important 4 him, 1.6 is good enough...
3. that will be without those EXTRAS....Korean team design it that way, means by stock.....no EXTRAS....those are the main functions of Forte itself
4. 1.6 engine is good.....do u think like the 1st campro engine???as bad as that?? stup1d...i happy with it....it gaves me driving pleasure....y nt?? from point A-B right??
5. not bother abt the EXTRAS??? hw u start engine then??? and most probably, ended up in accident if power is strong(if u unable control it in 2.0) if without those 'EXTRAS' u r talking abt

so, plz dun bash Forte again ok?? go play with ur NHC.....and we all kiss u bb
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if kevin start on bashin, i will interupt him....kinda love 2 interupt and bashing him back...can't stand him as Forte basher....which we din even bash his NHC at all
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i refuse to comment anymore
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the best choice! better than both cars hahahaha! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(luckykid5 @ Nov 17 2010, 06:16 PM)
When i create this thread, it's for my own reference only, didnt meant for ppl to shoot each other or something like that.

i'm not very familiar when it comes to car, can say i'm a noob...been driving either perodua/proton RM50k and below my whole life (same goes to my family). so i'm thinking to get some hearing from those who have drive lancer/inspira/forte and come share wit me so that i can have a better judgement later.

test drive wise, i'm quite clueless if the engine is good, since i rarely speed. tat's why as long as it's comfort, spacious, FC good, practical and good resell value later, that is what i want to get end of the day.

earlier, i gave 3 criteria to select the car, but i've missed out something...

1) Comfort & spacious
2) Good FC (auto only, not interested in manual)
3) Good resell value after 5-7 years
4) Good after sales service (at least during the maintenance period)
5) Reasonable spare parts (in case after warranty gone)

Well, basically i like both design. i'm trying to get one that is suitable to bring a family of 5 driving around.

i know end of the day it's my money, so i can pick anything i want. but rm90k is not a small amount also, so i want to hear all thoughts before making a decision. after all, i'll be driving it for the next 5-7 years, before i upgrade my car again.

thanks again for your inputs
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1. Comfort&Spacious=Forte EX
2. Good FC=Forte EX
3. Good resell value after 5-7 yrs=not for both...mayb unknown
4. Good aftersales service=Naza better...by abit
5. Reasonable spare parts=Proton if CKD Inspira, if CBU Forte MIGHT win
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no point talking about resale value here... it is something that dont exist! YET!
so leave it till next time. even forte resale value also remains unknown to me yet. so why bother to compare resale value?
why talk about something that dont exists yet?
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Nov 17 2010, 11:51 PM)
no point talking about resale value here... it is something that dont exist! YET!
so leave it till next time. even forte resale value also remains unknown to me yet. so why bother to compare resale value?
why talk about something that dont exists yet?
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by the way.. TS, like i said come ask at forte/inspira thread if you wanna know more. all those non-forte/non-inspira/non-lancer owner knows nothing but to bash without facts.

edit: add "by the way.." laugh.gif

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The most important feature in the forte is its Traction control System.. 6 Airbags on the 2.0..(10 deployable points)

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pick proton inspira if only manual

pick forte if only auto
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 17 2010, 11:55 PM)
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TS, like i said come ask at forte/inspira thread if you wanna know more. all those non-forte/non-inspira/non-lancer owner knows nothing but to bash without facts.
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LOL rclxms.gif

don't comment anymore also means i'm bashing? so comment means not basing? hahaha... i know comments can be constructive ones, but dont comment means complete bash hahahahahhahahahahha u're so cute like your avatar =)

oh ya, ask u guys to discussing something that don't exists yet also means i'm bashing without facts?
common sense please? if something that is dont exists yet, and u all are giving conclusion like inspira resale value better???? u dont mind providing me some FACTS please?

seems like u guys are concluding WITHOUT facts.
did i bash without facts? Lol! i dont understand which part i bash on both cars flex.gif
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1 of the bashers here is kevin23
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Nov 18 2010, 12:20 AM)
LOL  rclxms.gif

don't comment anymore also means i'm bashing? so comment means not basing? hahaha... i know comments can be constructive ones, but dont comment means complete bash hahahahahhahahahahha u're so cute like your avatar =)

oh ya, ask u guys to discussing something that don't exists yet also means i'm bashing without facts?
common sense please? if something that is dont exists yet, and u all are giving conclusion like inspira resale value better???? u dont mind providing me some FACTS please?

seems like u guys are concluding WITHOUT facts.
did i bash without facts? Lol! i dont understand which part i bash on both cars  flex.gif
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dun get me wrong. i quote your "refuse to comment anymore" and then suddenly got another comment from you. thats funny. thats all. laugh.gif

my comment below that does not related at all with you and your comments. icon_rolleyes.gif

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from what TS said, forte suits TS more.

but yeah if got the dough, just go for civic hybrid. save money on gas, great handling, and safe+quiet car and great for family too..

yeah
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Are you guys sure there's anything good about the forte's 1.6 engine? the Cerato is only offered in 2.0 and 2.4 elsewhere if I'm not mistaken, so most evaluations are for these two engines. Not the 1.6. Besides, there is a difference between the gamma engine and the GEMA engine right? no?
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1 of the bashers here is kevin23
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he is famous bashing korean cars around the forum. try to see any Korean Car vs Anything (except korean), he'll be there to bash it.
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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 17 2010, 11:02 PM)
lets see renault and euro civic (non type r) uses t-beam all set for comfort bias also
so did citreon and others.... so what gives? bad for performance? nope the above statement says its capable to be tuned for track
bad for comfort? nope cause most comfort bias cars also use t-beam so whats wrong with it?  hmm.gif

not good enough???
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i am actually quite amazed at your knowledge window actually......
so are u saying comfort or performance now?

let me see,
lets take a off the showroom forte and off the show room civic euro R...
now tell me, which car will u rather be in, in a track?

if u want to compare out and out track car, sorry i still choose not to be in a forte...
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forte is a good car but if u want to compare it to inspira handling or other same category/class bread and butter cars, sorry forte is not at the top of the list but more towards the middle...
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 18 2010, 01:59 AM)
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i am actually quite amazed at your knowledge window actually......
so are u saying comfort or performance now?

let me see,
lets take a off the showroom forte and off the show room civic euro R...
now tell me, which car will u rather be in, in a track?

if u want to compare out and out track car, sorry i still choose not to be in a forte...
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forte is a good car but if u want to compare it to inspira handling or other same category/class bread and butter cars, sorry forte is not at the top of the list but more towards the middle...
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take a showroom forte vs a showroom euro civic (non-R) this is fair comparison>?
but someone compared it to viva myvi etc would forte fair better or worst?
if Forte has a sport version to compare to euro civic type-r it'll be the Koup below....

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SEMA Show: Kia Forte Koup Type R Concept

Making its debut at this week's SEMA aftermarket show is Kia's Forte Koup Type R Concept model, which is said to be inspired by its racing siblings that take part in the GRAND-AM Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge.

The concept was developed by Kia's racing partner, Kinetic Motorsports, who built and campaigns the Forte Koup race cars. Performance upgrades are limited to a set of BBS RG 18-inch forged aluminum alloy wheels, race-inspired tires and suspension components, a short throw gaearshift and dampened composite fiber disc clutch.

On the styling front, the Koup Type R is finished in a dramatic looking gray color and comes with a widened body kit that includes front fenders, rocker panels and rear quarter panels.

Inside, the designers modified the interior with custom dressed seats and door panels, a new gear shift knob and carbon inlays.

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The most important feature in the forte is its Traction control System.. 6 Airbags on the 2.0..(10 deployable points)
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... and ECS!!!
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QUOTE(RahXeph0n @ Nov 18 2010, 01:06 AM)
Are you guys sure there's anything good about the forte's 1.6 engine? the Cerato is only offered in 2.0 and 2.4 elsewhere if I'm not mistaken, so most evaluations are for these two engines. Not the 1.6. Besides, there is a difference between the gamma engine and the GEMA engine right? no?
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Yes exactly. 1.6 is hopelessly weak.. I m not sure bout the 2.0 but i reckon its hardly powerful and cant compare with civic 2.0 .

Korean cars hv nice designs nowadays, sadly their performance is still lagging behind.


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QUOTE(xVince @ Nov 18 2010, 02:16 AM)
he is famous bashing korean cars around the forum. try to see any Korean Car vs Anything (except korean), he'll be there to bash it.
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now i see......
if he hates korean car so much....why not he juz leave us alone?!?!
this is TS's thread, not for him to simply bash around....
we(I) are korean fans...love korean products....samsung, LG, KIA....i am using it all....quality = very reliable.
yes, the 1.6 engine is mainly for budget types of buyer like me....
and that's also the reason why korean ald launched the 1.6GDI engine with 140hp 6 spd transmission now in korea, and MIGHT be in malaysia by nx year....with this 1.6GDI engine can be on par with 4B10 engine ald....
don't think korean are stup1d....they are smart, reacted very fast, response very fast.
when they knew a problem, they wun delay find out wat the problem was..better than protons
that's why in juz 7 years time since spectra launched, it improved soooo much....wat bt T&H??? look at previously toyota corolla and vios, to current VIOS and altis(corolla), and from 2004 city with 2009 city.....VIOS(damn ugly look) CITY(more makan minyak than 2004-2005 ones)

called that improvements?
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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 18 2010, 07:11 AM)
take a showroom forte vs a showroom euro civic (non-R) this is fair comparison>?
but someone compared it to viva myvi etc would forte fair better or worst?
if Forte has a sport version to compare to euro civic type-r it'll be the Koup below....

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SEMA Show: [B]Kia Forte Koup Type R Concept

Making its debut at this week's SEMA aftermarket show is Kia's Forte Koup Type R Concept model, which is said to be inspired by its racing siblings that take part in the GRAND-AM Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge.

The concept was developed by Kia's racing partner, Kinetic Motorsports, who built and campaigns the Forte Koup race cars. Performance upgrades are limited to a set of BBS RG 18-inch forged aluminum alloy wheels, race-inspired tires and suspension components, a short throw gaearshift and dampened composite fiber disc clutch.

On the styling front, the Koup Type R is finished in a dramatic looking gray color and comes with a widened body kit that includes front fenders, rocker panels and rear quarter panels.

Inside, the designers modified the interior with custom dressed seats and door panels, a new gear shift knob and carbon inlays.[/b]
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this forte coupe type-R is still concept...
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a showroom forte vs a showroom euro civic, sorry to say the civic will still handle better....
but when it comes to value for money features, yes, forte is better...
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why bother when people take myvi/viva handling in comparison with forte?
those are go to market cars of a different category... why even bother replying to that? they just make themselves look stupid and just let it be.
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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 18 2010, 08:16 AM)
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Front McPherson Strut with coil spring, Shock Absorber – Gas (Mando)
Rear Coupled Torsion Beam Axle (CTBA), Shock Absorber – Gas (Mando) - (new patented version by Hyundai diff from normal torsion beam)
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a torsion beam will still be a torsion beam no matter what and how u name it or how you put it...
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its just that the way marketing people put it makes the general public think "wow my t-beam is different"..

when u look at it mechanically, it is actually just a normal torsion-beam with different level of tension (by manufacturer)
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 18 2010, 08:37 AM)
Yes exactly. 1.6 is hopelessly weak.. I m not sure bout the 2.0 but i reckon its hardly powerful and cant compare with civic 2.0 .

Korean cars hv nice designs nowadays, sadly their performance is still lagging behind.
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the 2.0 theta is essentially the same 4b11 lancer of the same engine family. they dont differ much on power, but because each maker uses different tranny, the power deliverance is therefore slightly different. should they all use the same g/box, they should be almost identical. (engine nature & performance). so, while not exactly civic k engine standard, the power is definately there with the high torque. it is forte's 4-speeder thats holding it back.

meantime, the 1.6 gamma is from the spectra5 iirc. it's not the best engine to run the forte, & as other pointed out, the awards forte received are from other powertrains. should the 1.6 become the only engine forte has, i too, doubt there would be as much praise from external reviewers. (sorry, owners opinion excluded)

for heavy cars, bigger displacement is the only way to go for the common NA. unless koreans/japs goes something brilliant like the VW's TSi. btw, c-segment cars suffering smaller cc are not only a korean problem, the altis 1.6 was similarly lethargic compared to the bigger cc sibling. hope this sets the info straight for fanbois from both japs & koreans.
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 18 2010, 08:37 AM)
Yes exactly. 1.6 is hopelessly weak.. I m not sure bout the 2.0 but i reckon its hardly powerful and cant compare with civic 2.0 .

Korean cars hv nice designs nowadays, sadly their performance is still lagging behind.
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it has more HP then the civic lol...
basically the same engine as the 4b11 la..
weird ppl praise the lancer engine's but bash the forte's.
lol


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QUOTE(eddie_al @ Nov 18 2010, 10:32 AM)
the 2.0 theta is essentially the same 4b11 lancer of the same engine family. they dont differ much on power, but because each maker uses different tranny, the power deliverance is therefore slightly different. should they all use the same g/box, they should be almost identical. (engine nature & performance). so, while not exactly civic k engine standard, the power is definately there with the high torque. it is forte's 4-speeder thats holding it back.

meantime, the 1.6 gamma is from the spectra5 iirc.  it's not the best engine to run the forte, & as other pointed out, the awards forte received are from other powertrains. should the 1.6 become the only engine forte has, i too, doubt there would be as much praise from external reviewers. (sorry, owners opinion excluded)

for heavy cars, bigger displacement is the only way to go for the common NA. unless koreans/japs goes something brilliant like the VW's TSi. btw, c-segment cars suffering smaller cc are not only a korean problem, the altis 1.6 was similarly lethargic compared to the bigger cc sibling. hope this sets the info straight for fanbois from both japs & koreans.
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the forte's 4 speed is holding is back is quite true..but performance wise...it has much better then the slow lancer bottleneck CVT,

Yes some ppl complaint the 1.6 forte is quite underpowered..hopefully by 2011 they can bring in the GDi 1.6 which are superb..(same as avante's)
with 138 bhp if not mistaken and damn low fuel consumption..city n dugong is gonna die mang...(that is if they bring the new facelifted forte with GDi and 6 speed auto or avante with this spec)

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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 18 2010, 10:11 AM)
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this forte coupe type-R is still concept...
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a showroom forte vs a showroom euro civic, sorry to say the civic will still handle better....
but when it comes to value for money features, yes, forte is better...
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why bother when people take myvi/viva handling in comparison with forte?
those are go to market cars of a different category... why even bother replying to that? they just make themselves look stupid and just let it be.
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So, have you already test drive both "showroom" unit yet? I bet you didn't, right? So don't just simply say which one is better while you haven't even touch the car body yet. Please put your statement with facts if not for me it just all "tahi kerbau"...

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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 18 2010, 10:16 AM)
a torsion beam will still be a torsion beam no matter what and how u name it or how you put it...
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its just that the way marketing people put it makes the general public think "wow my t-beam is different"..

when u look at it mechanically, it is actually just a normal torsion-beam with different level of tension (by manufacturer)
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agree. infact, the cousin of forte, i30 handles even better with its independant multi link, but, oddly enough there is not much hype here in msia. the kia ceed which the i30 shares the platform got praises from TG for it's excellent handling. i know the i30 here is using an older generation engine (not the theta, should be either gamma or beta), but mechanically & interior material wise, it is a much upmarket vehicle.
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QUOTE(Adin @ Nov 18 2010, 10:37 AM)
So, have you already test drive both "showroom" unit yet? I bet you didn't, right? So don't just simply say which one is better while you haven't even touch the car body yet. Please put your statement with facts if not for me it just all "tahi kerbau"...
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Forte handling sucks. 4 speed gearbox no fun to drive.

Driven Forte 2.0 / Civic 2.0 / Altis 2.0 / Mazda 3 2.0

Still thinks forte handling sucks. Those are facts.

Its up to the buyer, you want to say your car is the best. Thats fine.

I personally love the civic, I bought it, it got stolen 2 months ago.

So you may think I am biased against the civic, but honestly.

If price wasnt a factor, there are many cars you can choose but for 90k the forte is 2.0 none the less.

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 18 2010, 10:35 AM)
it has more HP then the civic lol...
basically the same engine as the 4b11 la..
weird ppl praise the lancer engine's but bash the forte's.
lol
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dude, the lancer GT 2.0 engine is being whacked too...
for a mivec 2 liter, its low to mid end is quite disappointing...
all u need to do is just open your eyes bigger...

QUOTE(Adin @ Nov 18 2010, 10:37 AM)
So, have you already test drive both "showroom" unit yet? I bet you didn't, right? So don't just simply say which one is better while you haven't even touch the car body yet. Please put your statement with facts if not for me it just all "tahi kerbau"...
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quoted for reference in the future by others
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i am actually quite inclined to reply to this as it will just lead on to my forte handling is better then established players
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 18 2010, 10:44 AM)
dude, the lancer GT 2.0 engine is being whacked too...
for a mivec 2 liter, its low to mid end is quite disappointing...
all u need to do is just open your eyes bigger...
quoted for reference in the future by others
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i am actually quite inclined to reply to this as it will just lead on to my forte handling is better then established players
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not so sure if they should bash the lancer for its engine. when i drove it, i felt the combi of engine & cvt is wrong. similarly, the forte with its engine & 4-speeder is wrong. so finally, i manage to sit inside the Sonata, that finally has a combi that makes more sense. the same engine family, mated with a 6-speeder. i could swear if the sonata was lighter (down to the forte/lancer weight) the experiance would be very spirited drive. but sadly, the sonata needs at least a 2.4 so i am left with only speculations on what is the best combi for the gema engine, smile.gif
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QUOTE(omnimech @ Nov 18 2010, 10:41 AM)
Forte handling sucks. 4 speed gearbox no fun to drive.

Driven Forte 2.0 / Civic 2.0 / Altis 2.0 / Mazda 3 2.0

Still thinks forte handling sucks. Those are facts.

Its up to the buyer, you want to say your car is the best. Thats fine.

I personally love the civic, I bought it, it got stolen 2 months ago.

So you may think I am biased against the civic, but honestly.

If price wasnt a factor, there are many cars you can choose but for 90k the forte is 2.0 none the less.
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Personally I have to agree a little bit. Sucks wouldn't be the right word to classify it, just that the suspension is a little wobbly as compared to the Civic (yes I have driven both cars before). Upside to that, the Forte is a lot more comfortable to drive and I love the gadgets on it while the Civic is lacking in a lot of gadgets. But after my friend brought his Forte to get it done with Autofoam, the handling improved and the drive improved in terms of comfort and quietness. Totally awesome!
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QUOTE(eddie_al @ Nov 18 2010, 10:50 AM)
not so sure if they should bash the lancer for its engine. when i drove it, i felt the combi of engine & cvt is wrong. similarly, the forte with its engine & 4-speeder is wrong. so finally, i manage to sit inside the Sonata, that finally has a combi that makes more sense. the same engine family, mated with a 6-speeder. i could swear if the sonata was lighter (down to the forte/lancer weight) the experiance would be very spirited drive. but sadly, the sonata needs at least a 2.4 so i am left with only speculations on what is the best combi for the gema engine, smile.gif
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Have to agree, but the lancer is pretty alright on acceleration, definitely better than the forte.

I personally dislike cvt gearboxes so I am probably slightly biased. smile.gif .


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QUOTE(Mavik @ Nov 18 2010, 10:51 AM)
Personally I have to agree a little bit. Sucks wouldn't be the right word to classify it, just that the suspension is a little wobbly as compared to the Civic (yes I have driven both cars before). Upside to that, the Forte is a lot more comfortable to drive and I love the gadgets on it while the Civic is lacking in a lot of gadgets. But after my friend brought his Forte to get it done with Autofoam, the handling improved and the drive improved in terms of comfort and quietness. Totally awesome!
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Personally, I dont feel as "secure" in the forte. I know forte / civic is not a sports car.

But regardless, I think they could have done much better.

That aside, its still a car well worth the 90k, but like i said, taking price out of the equation, there are a lot better cars in that segment.



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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 18 2010, 01:59 AM)
doh.gif doh.gif
i am actually quite amazed at your knowledge window actually......
so are u saying comfort or performance now?

let me see,
lets take a off the showroom forte and off the show room civic euro R...
now tell me, which car will u rather be in, in a track?

if u want to compare out and out track car, sorry i still choose not to be in a forte...
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forte is a good car but if u want to compare it to inspira handling or other same category/class bread and butter cars, sorry forte is not at the top of the list but more towards the middle...
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+1 if the torsion beam suspension is so good, cheaper and simpler to design. why don't they use in on F1, Ferrari and rally car such as Evo, Impreza etc? tell me why there are always cheaper range car use torsion beam? (please don't compare with estima or alphard, it's for space saving on MPV) Forte need Electronic Stability Control (ESC) and
Traction Control System (TCS) due to it's cheap suspension design.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/how-mult...works-7804.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-link_suspension

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heard will consume more petrol after few years if no tuning done to the engine
No doubt it will happen on inspira as well.
Let us know after few years of driving if u happen to go for inspira tongue.gif
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QUOTE(eddie_al @ Nov 18 2010, 10:50 AM)
not so sure if they should bash the lancer for its engine. when i drove it, i felt the combi of engine & cvt is wrong. similarly, the forte with its engine & 4-speeder is wrong. so finally, i manage to sit inside the Sonata, that finally has a combi that makes more sense. the same engine family, mated with a 6-speeder. i could swear if the sonata was lighter (down to the forte/lancer weight) the experiance would be very spirited drive. but sadly, the sonata needs at least a 2.4 so i am left with only speculations on what is the best combi for the gema engine, smile.gif
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because for all its impressive stats on paper, the engine don't really deliver compared to k20 series found in the regular FD2s...
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 18 2010, 11:00 AM)
because for all its impressive stats on paper, the engine don't really deliver compared to k20 series found in the regular FD2s...
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yeap~ its proven~ stock fd2 has 126whp and the lancer has 114whp~ it just shows the CVT gearbox on the lancer isnt as efficient as the CVT on the old Jazz~ its all about efficient and less powerloss on the transmission hence more power to the wheel~ smile.gif

as for torsion beam~ generally~ is lack on handling if compared to independent suspension on the same chassis/model~ smile.gif
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Does this statement really help ?
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 18 2010, 11:00 AM)
because for all its impressive stats on paper, the engine don't really deliver compared to k20 series found in the regular FD2s...
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Exactly, i really cant understand why ppl like to compare using on paper specs when in real life it doesnt deliver. Wats the purpose hving it on paper?

Just like forte 2.0 , on paper the Hp is higher than civic 2.0 but in real life, pick up is crap compared to civic. And civic engine is so much more smooth and refined.
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 18 2010, 11:21 AM)
Exactly, i really cant understand why ppl like to compare using on paper specs when in real life it doesnt deliver. Wats the purpose hving it on paper?

Just like forte 2.0 , on paper the Hp is higher than civic 2.0 but in real life, pick up is crap compared to civic. And civic engine is so much more smooth and refined.
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Honestly, this is more failure on the gearbox more than anything.

If they had a 5 speed gearbox like the civic, it may give the fd2 a run for its money.

But we will never know.

I have seen ppl in singapore driving the 2 door kia koupe which is based on the forte.

I havent driven it before but from what I hear, its quite a solid car smile.gif
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 18 2010, 11:21 AM)
Exactly, i really cant understand why ppl like to compare using on paper specs when in real life it doesnt deliver. Wats the purpose hving it on paper?

Just like forte 2.0 , on paper the Hp is higher than civic 2.0 but in real life, pick up is crap compared to civic. And civic engine is so much more smooth and refined.
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prolly due to the diff gearbox limitation and also gear ratio settings, personally i dont think their pickup is crab at all.
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QUOTE(xin @ Nov 18 2010, 11:26 AM)
prolly due to the diff gearbox limitation and also gear ratio settings, personally i dont think their pickup is crab at all.
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i dont think that their pickup is ketam too
just that it's not as good as it 'advertised'

forte's handling has got nothing to shout about, really
i wonder what's the hype from the existing owners tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 18 2010, 11:21 AM)
Exactly, i really cant understand why ppl like to compare using on paper specs when in real life it doesnt deliver. Wats the purpose hving it on paper?

Just like forte 2.0 , on paper the Hp is higher than civic 2.0 but in real life, pick up is crap compared to civic. And civic engine is so much more smooth and refined.
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If they had a 5 speed gearbox like the civic, it may give the fd2 a run for its money.
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its all in the reviews worldwide n its all up to specific user preference...

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Hard to say too. It has to be efficient and having the right ratio. wink.gif
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 18 2010, 10:35 AM)
Yes some ppl complaint the 1.6 forte is quite underpowered..hopefully by 2011 they can bring in the GDi 1.6 which are superb..(same as avante's)
with 138 bhp if not mistaken and damn low fuel consumption..city n dugong is gonna die mang...(that is if they bring the new facelifted forte with GDi and 6 speed auto or avante with this spec)
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dude, pls face the real life fact... even before the inspira launch, forte sales only around 10% of city+vios, wan they both die is impossible, both T&H hav solid base in malaysia, while naza? LOL...
now comes inspira, sad to say ur beloved forte facing a damn serious contender... dun believe? keep on monitor the sales figure...
like u said the 2011 model coming in, others also will hav new coming models... even 2011 avante damn cun compared to forte... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(NiCkY @ Nov 18 2010, 12:08 PM)
dude, pls face the real life fact... even before the inspira launch, forte sales only around 10% of city+vios, wan they both die is impossible, both T&H hav solid base in malaysia, while naza? LOL...
now comes inspira, sad to say ur beloved forte facing a damn serious contender... dun believe? keep on monitor the sales figure...
like u said the 2011 model coming in, others also will hav new coming models... even 2011 avante damn cun compared to forte...  laugh.gif
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remember inspira's booking stands about 1800 and counting while vios sale per month is 2000
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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Nov 18 2010, 12:09 PM)
remember inspira's booking stands about 1800 and counting while vios sale per month is 2000
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city sales were around 1.5-2K per month...

vios sales were around 2.5-3.0K per month...

both are not actual figure...

booking and deliver is 2 different story...

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QUOTE(NiCkY @ Nov 18 2010, 12:08 PM)
dude, pls face the real life fact... even before the inspira launch, forte sales only around 10% of city+vios, wan they both die is impossible, both T&H hav solid base in malaysia, while naza? LOL...
now comes inspira, sad to say ur beloved forte facing a damn serious contender... dun believe? keep on monitor the sales figure...
like u said the 2011 model coming in, others also will hav new coming models... even 2011 avante damn cun compared to forte...  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 18 2010, 10:16 AM)
a torsion beam will still be a torsion beam no matter what and how u name it or how you put it...
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its just that the way marketing people put it makes the general public think "wow my t-beam is different"..

when u look at it mechanically, it is actually just a normal torsion-beam with different level of tension (by manufacturer)
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sorry to say that you need more research before saying its the same...
citreon version is diff from toyota version as well
forte uses the newly patented version from hyundai go look at the patent and the explanations
then come back say if its the same as civic or toyota.

hyundai's coupled torsion beam has passive steer similar to citreon's and is mounted differently. the normal torsion beam doesn't have that.

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the torsion beam can have dozens of design and what nots
but at the end of the day, it's still a torsion beam

it might look different when it's not moving
go into a corner and you can see the difference, it still feels like a torsion beam, so all the patents and brain wash material is now down the drain smile.gif
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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 18 2010, 12:34 PM)
sorry to say that you need more research before saying its the same...
citreon version is diff from toyota version as well
forte uses the newly patented version from hyundai go look at the patent and the explanations
then come back say if its the same as civic or toyota.

hyundai's coupled torsion beam has passive steer similar to citreon's and is mounted differently. the normal torsion beam doesn't have that.
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mounted differently but it is still a torsion beam?
and at the end of the day it still function like a torsion beam?

so what is so special about a differently mounted torsion beam?
u get superior handling compared to other same t-beam rear suspension or pure independent suspension vehicle?

so kindly enlighten me, this Coupled Torsion Beam Axle, how special is it?

all i can see in the patent is for small sedan, low manufacturing cost, low weight, small, dont protrude into boot space, reliability, comfort...
no where do i see superior handling....

P/S -
if u still think a regular bread and butter sedan with torsion beam rear suspension has superior handling... i think u need to re-evaluate again why other car makers utilities the more expensive multi-link or double-wishbones for their regular sedan instead of some differently mounted patented torsion beam suspension
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PP/S -
btw coupled torsion beam axle in short is so-call H-shape...
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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 18 2010, 12:34 PM)
sorry to say that you need more research before saying its the same...
citreon version is diff from toyota version as well
forte uses the newly patented version from hyundai go look at the patent and the explanations
then come back say if its the same as civic or toyota.

hyundai's coupled torsion beam has passive steer similar to citreon's and is mounted differently. the normal torsion beam doesn't have that.
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watever it is, it is still not moving "independently", if torsion beam can outperform independent suspension layout like double wishbone, multilink and etc, then we dun need independent suspension in sportscars or supercars anymore. i would love to see torsion beam layout behind the engine bay of a ferrari then. dont be so fanboy about your forte lar. come on. just like how i admit, honda is always poor in its NVH, no doubt bout that. but its still acceptable to me coz my priority is the handling and engine performance. if your forte serves u right with its specs and features that value for money, then i gotta agree on that, but a torsion beam still a torsion beam. cheers. smile.gif
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in the end of the day, we can all see who gives opinion based on nuetral ground & who's a fanboi

back to the TS's topic, after considering all the pros & cons weighted against his requirement, TS, you should go with the inspira.

if all goes well, it will replace the standing of the old Wira & waja, where once not so long ago, the whole road is infested with them before endangered marine animal & tropical flowerhorn became the national car. with proton, the least you need to worry is spare part availability. the most you have to worry is the doors & windows failing on you. on the lancer, that should be quite unlikely...i hope.

i used to have a wira that i loved so much because i can find any parts anywhere. but same time it is very temperamental as it always wants me to keep finding parts since they will break down regularly. love hate relationship, like first love.

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different torsion beam because it is mounted differently. say....custom faded colors...anyone? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(NiCkY @ Nov 18 2010, 12:14 PM)
city sales were around 1.5-2K per month...

vios sales were around 2.5-3.0K per month...

both are not actual figure...

booking and deliver is 2 different story...
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September 2010 figures, a little old but still quite relevant.

Top 10 national vehicles

1. Proton Saga 5,582
2. Perodua Myvi 5,413
3. Perodua Viva 4,703
4. Proton Persona 3,181
5. Perodua Alza 2,343
6. Proton Exora 2,095
7. Proton Satria Neo 301
8. Proton Waja 239
9. Proton Gen2 147
10. Proton Savvy 46
Top 10 non-national vehicles

1. Toyota Vios 2,573
2. Toyota Hilux 1,275
3. Honda City 1,112
4. Nissan Grand Livina 1,133
5. Toyota Camry 803
6. Toyota Avanza 802
7. Mitsubishi Triton 641
8. Honda Civic 513
9. Honda Accord 506
10. Honda CR-V 503

*Statistics from Malaysian Automotive Association
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QUOTE(eddie_al @ Nov 18 2010, 01:19 PM)
in the end of the day, we can all see who gives opinion based on nuetral ground & who's a fanboi

back to the TS's topic, after considering all the pros & cons weighted against his requirement, TS, you should go with the inspira.

if all goes well, it will replace the standing of the old Wira & waja, where once not so long ago, the whole road is infested with them before endangered marine animal & tropical flowerhorn became the national car. with proton, the least you need to worry is spare part availability. the most you have to worry is the doors & windows failing on you. on the lancer, that should be quite unlikely...i hope.

i used to have a wira that i loved so much because i can find any parts anywhere. but same time it is very temperamental as it always wants me to keep finding parts since they will break down regularly. love hate relationship, like first love.

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different torsion beam because it is mounted differently. say....custom faded colors...anyone?  biggrin.gif
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well~ some fanboys will go to the extend of saying anything that doesnt make sense to make themself feel good. tongue.gif

as for handling, how many of the ppl posted here will drive a car to its limit to know where the handling is? i know kcng is one of the driver that can really push his car to the limit. so those forte fanboys who claim their car can outcorner this and that, think twice b4 make any comment. coz you only have torsion beam to start life with in the handling department. smile.gif
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At the end of the day it is all about practicality. Which car can offer the best value for the money as well as to get you from point a to point b. The talk about how powerful the civic is compared to the forte in real life has no use. How often do you drag race from the traffic lights in KL? To me the most important thing is that the car has sufficient grunt to overtake in the North South highway while doing 110 for emergency purposes. Just like the arguments on which suspension is superior. On a normal everyday driving you are not hurtling around like in a race track.

At the end of the day you want a car that is smooth and quiet and is able to absorb the bumps. Just like my old Waja campro, the handling is good but if you ever go over a bump it has this crackling sound and it is harsh. The current 2.0 forte gives a better feel over road bumps but I would dare say that road holding isnt too far off from the Waja.

To me the economics is simple. If you benchmark a car like the BMW 3 series and even if the Forte delivers 80% of that feeling and feature found on the BMW, I would conclude that my money is well spent. Again the comparison of features like the magnesium paddle shift, how often would you use it? As someone said after a while you just get bored with it.

For me it is the curtain airbags in the Forte. No doubt I hope to never use it but it is there and this feature is not found in any cars below RM100k.
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 17 2010, 07:01 PM)
its a honda euro type-R for crying out loud...
do u have any idea how much work honda, renault has put into the development to ensure that even with torsion beam, their car can really handles?
and check out their target market again for their car.... outright performance.... comfort is the last thing on their list...

and now compared it to bread and butter cars like forte, slyphy, vios, altis, saga etc...

-speechless-
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but still, the FN2 (euro) Civic Type-R which is a 2-door hothatch and its handling still not as good as the fully independent suspension JDM FD2 Civic Type-R which is based on the 4-door sedan chassis on the the track. So go figure, how good is the torsion beam. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Nov 18 2010, 01:46 PM)
well~ some fanboys will go to the extend of saying anything that doesnt make sense to make themself feel good. tongue.gif

as for handling, how many of the ppl posted here will drive a car to its limit to know where the handling is? i know kcng is one of the driver that can really push his car to the limit. so those forte fanboys who claim their car can outcorner this and that, think twice b4 make any comment. coz you only have torsion beam to start life with in the handling department. smile.gif
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So it makes all the arguments about torsion beams totally irrelevant. I don't have a desire to meet fate or to test my car to its limits.

Really if performance is that important go get yourself a real performance car.

To compare a Civic and Forte or even the Inspira is like little school boys comparing the length of their dicks. One little boy's d*** may be slightly longer than the others and it gives him the right to gloat about it but in reality there are bigger dicks in this world.

To imply that Forte fans feel that we need to justify our car just because your civics or hondas has a better handling misses the point. In real world the trick is to find which car has been packaged to give you the best value for money and without doubt the 1.8 Inspira is a very good bet.
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QUOTE(eddie_al @ Nov 18 2010, 01:19 PM)
in the end of the day, we can all see who gives opinion based on nuetral ground & who's a fanboi

back to the TS's topic, after considering all the pros & cons weighted against his requirement, TS, you should go with the inspira.

if all goes well, it will replace the standing of the old Wira & waja, where once not so long ago, the whole road is infested with them before endangered marine animal & tropical flowerhorn became the national car. with proton, the least you need to worry is spare part availability. the most you have to worry is the doors & windows failing on you. on the lancer, that should be quite unlikely...i hope.

i used to have a wira that i loved so much because i can find any parts anywhere. but same time it is very temperamental as it always wants me to keep finding parts since they will break down regularly. love hate relationship, like first love.

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if u look at the bigger picture, u can obviously see who is the fanboi when they furiously defend something like below
"when it comes to regular bread and butter car handling, torsion beam will still lose out to independant... and this suspension discussion has been over and done with so many times until we can actually get fedup...." and yet still insist couple axle torsion beam watever bla bla is not your normal torsion beam....

but then when u say value for money, nothing beats the forte... sub 100k and putting more expensive cars to shame with its spec list..
heck with its spec list, it literally own the inspira.... but when it comes to driving and handling dynamics, it will for sure lack behind the inspira/lancer...

so it depends, if you are a driver, you will feel suffocated in the forte but not in the inspira..
but if u are a "gadget"/spec list type of person, u will feel very much at home in the forte....
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QUOTE(JoLee @ Nov 18 2010, 02:12 PM)
So it makes all the arguments about torsion beams totally irrelevant. I don't have a desire to meet fate or to test my car to its limits.

Really if performance is that important go get yourself a real performance car.

To compare a Civic and Forte or even the Inspira is like little school boys comparing the length of their dicks. One little boy's d*** may be slightly longer than the others and it gives him the right to gloat about it but in reality there are bigger dicks in this world.

To imply that Forte fans feel that we need to justify our car just because your civics or hondas has a better handling misses the point. In real world the trick is to find which car has been packaged to give you the best value for money and without doubt the 1.8 Inspira is a very good bet.
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inspira is a good bet but when compared to forte 1.6 sx, the forte 1.6sx beats the inspira hands down in terms of value for money package as per my previous post
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 18 2010, 02:19 PM)
if u look at the bigger picture, u can obviously see who is the fanboi when they furiously defend something like below
"when it comes to regular bread and butter car handling, torsion beam will still lose out to independant... and this suspension discussion has been over and done with so many times until we can actually get fedup...." and yet still insist couple axle torsion beam watever bla bla is not your normal torsion beam....

but then when u say value for money, nothing beats the forte... sub 100k and putting more expensive cars to shame with its spec list..
heck with its spec list, it literally own the inspira.... but when it comes to driving and handling dynamics, it will for sure lack behind the inspira/lancer...

so it depends, if you are a driver, you will feel suffocated in the forte but not in the inspira..
but if u are a "gadget"/spec list type of person, u will feel very much at home in the forte....
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I don't argue with you about the handlings but I think that your suggestion here about "suffocated" is extreme. Are you trying to say that the Forte gives you motion sickness?

I have taken my family on long distance they never felt that the car gives them motion sickness. It is a balance between handling and comfort. I am sure no car manufacturer would deliberately put in a suspension system that is not safe.
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QUOTE(JoLee @ Nov 18 2010, 02:12 PM)
So it makes all the arguments about torsion beams totally irrelevant. I don't have a desire to meet fate or to test my car to its limits.

Really if performance is that important go get yourself a real performance car.

To compare a Civic and Forte or even the Inspira is like little school boys comparing the length of their dicks. One little boy's d*** may be slightly longer than the others and it gives him the right to gloat about it but in reality there are bigger dicks in this world.

To imply that Forte fans feel that we need to justify our car just because your civics or hondas has a better handling misses the point. In real world the trick is to find which car has been packaged to give you the best value for money and without doubt the 1.8 Inspira is a very good bet.
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pls excuse me if i had point the wrong direction of my prev post, it was meant for some forte fanboys back in the early pages of this topic where they claim their torsion beam in their forte is godly. now you do sound like i am a honda fanboy, no i am not, i only worship the Nissan Skylines and GTRs. tongue.gif
In fact, i am getting rid of my Civic for other brand soon. And like i agreed in my prev posts, Forte is really value for its money for the features you are getting, no doubt, but i just dislike this forte fanboys go beyond the limit telling everyone that its god almighty. My only complain on the Forte is the transmission and suspension layout. But comfort wise, i still hat off to the Toyota, as i know my Honda is definitely lacking the comfort and NVH. smile.gif

As for your little boy's d*** comparison story, i think the forte fanboys should read that, if you get what i mean if u did read the whole topic from 1st page. cheers. cheers.gif
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 18 2010, 02:23 PM)
inspira is a good bet but when compared to forte 1.6 sx, the forte 1.6sx beats the inspira hands down in terms of value for money package as per my previous post
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Quite honestly I thing value for money is in the Inspira 1.8. You get a slighltly bigger engine with CVVT technology. Even as a Forte owner I would go for the 1.8 Inspira. Proton to some extent made a tactical mistake as the equipment between the 1.8 and 2.0 Inspira is not that great.
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QUOTE(JoLee @ Nov 18 2010, 02:28 PM)
I don't argue with you about the handlings but I think that your suggestion here about "suffocated" is extreme. Are you trying to say that the Forte gives you motion sickness?

I have taken my family on long distance they never felt that the car gives them motion sickness. It is a balance between handling and comfort. I am sure no car manufacturer would deliberately put in a suspension system that is not safe.
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"suffocated"

its like seeing the taillights of the car in front of you getting further and further away in the B-roads and yet you cant push your car to keep up...
or like being in a 1.0L car seeing the 5.0L car in front of u pulling away easily even with your foot floored in the footwell...

its not motion sickness...
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"when it comes to regular bread and butter car handling, torsion beam will still lose out to independant... and this suspension discussion has been over and done with so many times until we can actually get fedup...." and yet still insist couple axle torsion beam watever bla bla is not your normal torsion beam....



pls refer back to my postings since when did i mentioned whatever beam was superior to independent suspension???

i posted the diff for forte vs others which referred to as by someone which felt disappointed and compare to other h-beam. i also pointed out the tech diff of various h-beam and how its better now. someone then butted in claiming Honda h-beam is better than others H-beam then claim again a H-beam is all the same = bad performance then compared to independent... why keep changing the topic and gold posts?

i have been using MULTILINK SUSPENSION (this is the right term) for many years and have company civic & bmw 3 as well so i know the pros-cons well enough. the h-beam posts is to update the misconception or perceptions if being inferior. but the comparison is only about out right performance which takes up 20% of your daily drive or less???

for me its was simple 75k car with comfortable strong body wide space & boot quite great audio good FC capable for long distance runs without much fuss.

did i say inspira no good? did i say multilink no good? since all h-beam the same then honda's ain't much better right? then why claim honda's beats everyones? for this then i can safely say inspira's handling can beat the crap out of honda's civic's h-beam? then Honda fanboys will claim no way Honda sure beats Lancer/Inspira...... i can't wait to see more new models coming with H-beams from Honda with best handling sales pitch.
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bro KFC, how would u rate the finesse of the engine of the 2.0 civic vs the forte's 2.0? in terms of power delivery and NVH level
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 18 2010, 02:34 PM)
"suffocated"

its like seeing the taillights of the car in front of you getting further and further away in the B-roads and yet you cant push your car to keep up...
or like being in a 1.0L car seeing the 5.0L car in front of u pulling away easily even with your foot floored in the footwell...

its not motion sickness...
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kcng u are just trying to show i dam daring driver la nothing to do with the car la.... if u have balls even a kancil can get less balls driver. u dare to race with maddriver with his junk car then come back u can claim this victory. else u just wanna show off you have bigger balls nothing more.
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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 18 2010, 02:49 PM)
"when it comes to regular bread and butter car handling, torsion beam will still lose out to independant... and this suspension discussion has been over and done with so many times until we can actually get fedup...." and yet still insist couple axle torsion beam watever bla bla is not your normal torsion beam....
pls refer back to my postings since when did i mentioned whatever beam was superior to independent suspension???

i posted the diff for forte vs others which referred to as by someone which felt disappointed and compare to other h-beam. i also pointed out the tech diff of various h-beam and how its better now. someone then butted in claiming Honda h-beam is better than others H-beam then claim again a H-beam is all the same = bad performance then compared to independent... why keep changing the topic and gold posts?

i have been using MULTILINK SUSPENSION (this is the right term) for many years and have company civic & bmw 3 as well so i know the pros-cons well enough. the h-beam posts is to update the misconception or perceptions if being inferior. but the comparison is only about out right performance which takes up 20% of your daily drive or less???

for me its was simple 75k car with comfortable strong body wide space & boot quite great audio good FC capable for long distance runs without much fuss.

did i say inspira no good? did i say multilink no good? since all h-beam the same then honda's ain't much better right? then why claim honda's beats everyones? for this then i can safely say inspira's handling can beat the crap out of honda's civic's h-beam? then Honda fanboys will claim no way Honda sure beats Lancer/Inspira...... i can't wait to see more new models coming with H-beams from Honda with best handling sales pitch.
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"for me its was simple 75k car with comfortable strong body wide space & boot quite great audio good FC capable for long distance runs without much fuss. "

To me this sentence is just trying to justify your purchase.

No one cares how much you pay for the car. Downright question is which one is more value for money.

So stop defending your purchases and answer the question

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To imply that Forte fans feel that we need to justify our car just because your civics or hondas has a better handling misses the point. In real world the trick is to find which car has been packaged to give you the best value for money and without doubt the 1.8 Inspira is a very good bet."

Lets stop playing compare. Some people think the automatic trunk opening when key is inside is a gimmick.

Some would rather have the power of the vtec and the 5 speed gearbox over the 4.

I dont know why you forte drivers come in and make a big hoo hah about your purchase.

no one cares. move along and answer the thread question.

I stand by the fact tha the forte handling is weak compared to the civic, altis, lancer.

ps . and before anyone says im going off topic, inspira is based on the lancer and many ppl claim that the handling on the inspira is similar if not better.

I personally test drove the 2.0 inspira, i felt the tyres were abit small, handling wise, couldnt tell much cause I wasnt speeding, but it was quite steady.

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kcng u are just trying to show i dam daring driver la nothing to do with the car la.... if u have balls even a kancil can get less balls driver. u dare to race with maddriver with his junk car then come back u can claim this victory. else u just wanna show off you have bigger balls nothing more.
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omnimech, altis's handling is as bad as it can get honestly...i would agree if you said the forte's handling is weaker den a civic..but i doubt it will be worse den an altis..heck even a honda city (dugong version) handles better den a stock altis imho...i have had both hence i'm making this statement from my personal experience

btw, its the dugong idsi vs the 1.8G 2003 that i'm talking about...people say the new honda's suck in handling, but i don't feel so...seems alright to me ...i have only driven the new city a couple of times though...new altis no idea =)

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QUOTE(keagan @ Nov 18 2010, 03:00 PM)
omnimech, altis's handling is as bad as it can get honestly...i would agree if you said the forte's handling is weaker den a civic..but i doubt it will be worse den an altis..heck even a honda city (dugong version) handles better den a stock altis imho...i have had both hence i'm making this statement from my personal experience

btw, its the dugong idsi vs the 1.8G 2003 that i'm talking about...people say the new honda's suck in handling, but i don't feel so...seems alright to me ...i have only driven the new city a couple of times though...new altis no idea =)
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bro, since when honda city got dugong ver ? =.=
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bro KFC, how would u rate the finesse of the engine of the 2.0 civic vs the forte's 2.0? in terms of power delivery and NVH level
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both cars i like even the lancer which was on my buying list. end of day its driving style preference and needs. lancer was great for jumping speed bumps if u don't worry about the 18" and civic was great for speeds but chassis seems weaker to lancers. forte 2.0 fits in between strong chassis non-cvt large space like lancer able to jump over bumps. what drives me nuts was the local fit & finish of civic which cost a lot they need to provide better QC for the price. both lancer & forte imported even though still some minor gremlins but forte edges out on price department. hence proton's inspira will give it a run for the money but still lacking in safety aspects for the inspira 2.0. you choices are yours not others.... just buy the car u want & need. I've chosen mine cause of the effort put in by Koreans which i value much..... hopefully Inspira does that too for Proton.
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QUOTE(keagan @ Nov 18 2010, 03:00 PM)
omnimech, altis's handling is as bad as it can get honestly...i would agree if you said the forte's handling is weaker den a civic..but i doubt it will be worse den an altis..heck even a honda city (dugong version) handles better den a stock altis imho...i have had both hence i'm making this statement from my personal experience
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Hrmm, I felt it was quite alright ?

Do you mean the new altis. I test drove the 2.0 dual vvti.

The engine response was not as great as the civic, but it definitely feels better than the 1.8 altis (1 version older).

Suspension wise, I did feel that it was a bit soft, but I was quite impressed by the cruising on the highway.

Given tyre noise was there (its not a bmw), it felt quite good.

Alas, I dont think the 140k price tag can be justified.

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QUOTE(ForCe @ Nov 18 2010, 03:02 PM)
bro, since when honda city got dugong ver ? =.=
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haha..maybe dugong's wrong.. lor hon den..ahaha...the bubbly front IDSI. tongue.gif
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You mean the honda city versoin right before the current new one ?

>_<

Handling on that is horrendous, that car is meant for city driving period.

Even slighly spirited driving can get you killed. the suspension is way too soft for any above average cornering >_<.

trust me, i used to drive one before i upgraded to civic .
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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 18 2010, 03:02 PM)
both cars i like even the lancer which was on my buying list. end of day its driving style preference and needs. lancer was great for jumping speed bumps if u don't worry about the 18" and civic was great for speeds but chassis seems weaker to lancers. forte 2.0 fits in between strong chassis non-cvt large space like lancer able to jump over bumps. what drives me nuts was the local fit & finish of civic which cost a lot they need to provide better QC for the price. both lancer & forte imported even though still some minor gremlins but forte edges out on price department. hence proton's inspira will give it a run for the money but still lacking in safety aspects for the inspira 2.0. you choices are yours not others.... just buy the car u want & need. I've chosen mine cause of the effort put in by Koreans which i value much..... hopefully Inspira does that too for Proton.
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on engine civic 2.0 is best - lancer & forte similar but lancer is rougher than forte's.
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QUOTE(omnimech @ Nov 18 2010, 03:02 PM)
Hrmm, I felt it was quite alright ?

Do you mean the new altis. I test drove the 2.0 dual vvti.

The engine response was not as great as the civic, but it definitely feels better than the 1.8 altis (1 version older).

Suspension wise, I did feel that it was a bit soft, but I was quite impressed by the cruising on the highway.

Given tyre noise was there (its not a bmw), it felt quite good.

Alas, I dont think the 140k price tag can be justified.
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bro i'm referring to the older one..the latest one i only sat in the 1.8E before the dual vvti came out...comfort and NVH was excellent...but handling...i doubt it will be much different coz it basically carried most of the things from the previous altis..maybe with revised suspension settings...

yeah one thing about toyota's are their highway cruising abilities are good...it doesn't wobble or shake much up to speeds 160 and above but the sampan feeling can be felt if the roads are uneven...but when it comes to bends and corners...body rolls and squats are all in one package.. that's the only complain i have about their suspension setups..good for normal driving but definitely not for spirited driving although the engine does deliver adequate power for its body =)
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lol at this thread laugh.gif ....no need to compare much more tongue.gif

no doubt forte & inspira is a good deal..i think what most concern for buyer in Malaysia is
1) pricing
2) resell value
3) FC
4) comfort
5) interior & exterior design

how many crazy driver will go driving like a mad cow cornering with top speed?
majority will drive only around 100-130km/h in highways....
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QUOTE(omnimech @ Nov 18 2010, 02:57 PM)
"for me its was simple 75k car with comfortable strong body wide space & boot quite great audio good FC capable for long distance runs without much fuss. "

To me this sentence is just trying to justify your purchase.

No one cares how much you pay for the car. Downright question is which one is more value for money.

So stop defending your purchases and answer the question

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To imply that Forte fans feel that we need to justify our car just because your civics or hondas has a better handling misses the point. In real world the trick is to find which car has been packaged to give you the best value for money and without doubt the 1.8 Inspira is a very good bet."

Lets stop playing compare. Some people think the automatic trunk opening when key is inside is a gimmick.

Some would rather have the power of the vtec and the 5 speed gearbox over the 4.

I dont know why you forte drivers come in and make a big hoo hah about your purchase.

no one cares. move along and answer the thread question.

I stand by the fact tha the forte handling is weak compared to the civic, altis, lancer.

ps . and before anyone says im going off topic, inspira is based on the lancer and many ppl claim that the handling on the inspira is similar if not better.

I personally test drove the 2.0 inspira, i felt the tyres were abit small, handling wise, couldnt tell much cause I wasnt speeding, but it was quite steady.
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i dont care if u want vtec or whatever u can have the nice engine all u want for all the price u pay
i want a car to enjoy & drive at the price i willing to pay! your money your own justification ...
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QUOTE(omnimech @ Nov 18 2010, 03:05 PM)
You mean the honda city versoin right before the current new one ?

>_<

Handling on that is horrendous, that car is meant for city driving period.

Even slighly spirited driving can get you killed. the suspension is way too soft for any above average cornering >_<.

trust me, i used to drive one before i upgraded to civic .
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it can be corrected bro...i did a 4 point struts in front and the handling did improve =) was on 15 inch rims with stock suspension setup...i did play around with the springs and rims and the best was using the stock settings..yeah its wobbly when its stock standard..anything above 90 km/h gives me goosebumps..hahah
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QUOTE(omnimech @ Nov 18 2010, 02:57 PM)
"for me its was simple 75k car with comfortable strong body wide space & boot quite great audio good FC capable for long distance runs without much fuss. "

To me this sentence is just trying to justify your purchase.

No one cares how much you pay for the car. Downright question is which one is more value for money.

So stop defending your purchases and answer the question

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To imply that Forte fans feel that we need to justify our car just because your civics or hondas has a better handling misses the point. In real world the trick is to find which car has been packaged to give you the best value for money and without doubt the 1.8 Inspira is a very good bet."

Lets stop playing compare. Some people think the automatic trunk opening when key is inside is a gimmick.

Some would rather have the power of the vtec and the 5 speed gearbox over the 4.

I dont know why you forte drivers come in and make a big hoo hah about your purchase.

no one cares. move along and answer the thread question.

I stand by the fact tha the forte handling is weak compared to the civic, altis, lancer.
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i disagree tongue.gif
civic and lancer maybe, but altis? tongue.gif

from what i read, the owners are just trying make themselves feel good to justify the fact that they plonk their cash in a korean car

however, i have to admit that the car is great value of money, the list of equipments found in the car is just awesome
considering that the koreans are bucking up really brisk in their quality and technology, it's a feasible choice if one just want a value for money car to travel from A to B

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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 18 2010, 03:07 PM)
i dont care if u want vtec or whatever u can have the nice engine all u want for all the price u pay
i want a car to enjoy & drive at the price i willing to pay! your money your own justification ...
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Like i said answer the question.

not try to bully your justification for buying your car.

I personally hate the forte for its lack of a 5 speed gearbox. Just couldnt feel the power and I didnt like the handling.

Those are my views.

like you i weighed the pros and cons and i bought the civic.

do i look like im trying to justify my purchase ?

eventhough i pay 40k more than you for a car of equivalent cc ?

just stick to the topic dude.

Some people would rather pay 230k for a bmw 320i

the driving pleasure is there.

Its up to the driver and how he manages his finances. No doubt most people can afford a 320i but not everyone is willing to go so far just for a car.

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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 18 2010, 03:02 PM)
both cars i like even the lancer which was on my buying list. end of day its driving style preference and needs. lancer was great for jumping speed bumps if u don't worry about the 18" and civic was great for speeds but chassis seems weaker to lancers. forte 2.0 fits in between strong chassis non-cvt large space like lancer able to jump over bumps. what drives me nuts was the local fit & finish of civic which cost a lot they need to provide better QC for the price. both lancer & forte imported even though still some minor gremlins but forte edges out on price department. hence proton's inspira will give it a run for the money but still lacking in safety aspects for the inspira 2.0. you choices are yours not others.... just buy the car u want & need. I've chosen mine cause of the effort put in by Koreans which i value much..... hopefully Inspira does that too for Proton.
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thanks for the reply bro..i'm actually on the same ship as the TS...but i have made the choice for a forte..and yes, its without the test drive of the 2.0 version..i'm definitely no fan boy of T but it has its merits..fan boy of H, hahah yeah i'm but it has its problems as well (noisy under carriage after a couple of years) the reason why i'm asking is coz i really don't know how well does a forte stand out as the car's still relatively new in the industry for Msia..

anyway, i made a trip to proton yesterday but yeah the 1.8E feels a bit too bare to my liking..i didn't ask for a test drive as the SA doesn't seem to even notice that i'm there...but as with CVT experience..i gotta say it really shines when it comes to climbing hills...heard of stories that people state the lancer's under powered and such...but i guess its plagued by the CVT, i won't say its a drawback, maybe its due to its smooth power delivery that causes the lack of 'kick' in it =)
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QUOTE(keagan @ Nov 18 2010, 03:07 PM)
it can be corrected bro...i did a 4 point struts in front and the handling did improve =) was on 15 inch rims with stock suspension setup...i did play around with the springs and rims and the best was using the stock settings..yeah its wobbly when its stock standard..anything above 90 km/h gives me goosebumps..hahah
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Talking about stock . Hahah. no doubt any car with some money invested will have better handling.

For me the city was something to get from a to b.

Only when I got my civic, i felt more confident to go at higher speeds.

as a fellow city driver, you should know when a big truck overtakes you on the highway, your car wobbles tongue.gif
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QUOTE(omnimech @ Nov 18 2010, 03:10 PM)
Like i said answer the question.

not try to bully your justification for buying your car.

I personally hate the forte for its lack of a 5 speed gearbox. Just couldnt feel the power and I didnt like the handling.

Those are my views.

like you i weighed the pros and cons and i bought the civic.

do i look like im trying to justify my purchase ?

eventhough i pay 40k more than you for a car of equivalent cc ?

just stick to the topic dude.

Some people would rather pay 230k for a bmw 320i

the driving pleasure is there.

Its up to the driver and how he manages his finances. No doubt most people can afford a 320i but not everyone is willing to go so far just for a car.
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i have i-vtec and vanos to play with so ? even compressor so ? u can't feel the power or no 5th gear is your problem not others don't justify your anger to others happy with their cars. so u have a civic fine then why are u here bombing others preferences go play with your vtec....


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QUOTE(omnimech @ Nov 18 2010, 03:13 PM)
Talking about stock . Hahah. no doubt any car with some money invested will have better handling.

For me the city was something to get from a to b.

Only when I got my civic, i felt more confident to go at higher speeds.

as a fellow city driver, you should know when a big truck overtakes you on the highway, your car wobbles tongue.gif
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haha! it happens on the altis too despite its bigger size...oh well..u can't have everything can you...

i was quite hesitant to participate in this 'discussion'...but yeah from what i can see...each car has its strengths and weaknesses...but one thing that i don't understand is that honda's engines are starting to get coarser by the gen...comparing the L15A to the current ivtec in the new city...it sounds louder...no idea why... that's my first impression when the car was just launched on the first day though...


did a test drive on the 2.0 civic..yes the car is another class of its own compared to the city...somehow i feel a forte's characteristics leans more towards of a H than a T...not to say its superior each over each other but it seems to lean towards that direction, that's what i felt during the test drives..
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thks to TS.....we may have one of the most intense debate for cars (or fanboys war tongue.gif ?) in FnF since Vios vs City
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Nov 18 2010, 03:18 PM)
thks to TS.....we may have one of the most intense debate for cars (or fanboys war tongue.gif ?) in FnF since Vios vs City
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lol, but i guess everyone has their own view on each car...the jurisprudence of automotive tech? hahah...anyway, i'm picking up quite a lot esp on the torsion beam part..coming from a multilink from the EJ6 Civic to a H T-beam altis, i gotta say the civic handles better and feels more comfy ..
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the civic 2.0 is fine if u minus the price tag but can't jump bumps which lancer could do but i dropped it cause of CVT nothing much wrong chassis engine wise. DSG is another gem though!
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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 18 2010, 03:21 PM)
the civic 2.0 is fine if u minus the price tag but can't jump bumps which lancer could do but i dropped it cause of CVT nothing much wrong chassis engine wise. DSG is another gem though!
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bro, are u saying the the jumping bumps part is where the suspension goes 'THUNK'? if you speed too quickly over it?
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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 18 2010, 03:15 PM)
i have i-vtec and vanos to play with so ? even compressor so ? u can't feel the power or no 5th gear is your problem not others don't justify your anger to others happy with their cars. so u have a civic fine then why are u here bombing others preferences go play with your vtec....
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Bombing?

TS asking for opinion. Thats my opinion . Whats wrong with that. Just cause you own one ? TS should follow you =.= .

Oh wow. Even "Kompressor". Playing the money card? LOOOOOOL.

Dude, if you wanted to compare pocket sizes, I will gladly do it with you.

I am just stating my opinion, ts is free to read both our opinions and make a decision.

I just feel that your hardcore defence of the forte is cause you own one more than anything.
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QUOTE(omnimech @ Nov 18 2010, 03:23 PM)
Bombing?

TS asking for opinion. Thats my opinion . Whats wrong with that. Just cause you own one ? TS should follow you =.= .

Oh wow. Even "Kompressor". Playing the money card? LOOOOOOL.

Dude, if you wanted to compare pocket sizes, I will gladly do it with you.

I am just stating my opinion, ts is free to read both our opinions and make a decision.

I just feel that your hardcore defence of the forte is cause you own one more than anything.
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who wants to compare pockets i'm a poor bump cant affort vtec which suddenly became the topic which is always when u meet a honda fanboy.
just like when u meet a toyota fanboy its always FC which sadly honda still loses to.
forte or inspira owners rather not be lumped together even with H & T ppl
i feel for inspira owners they get the same heat as forte owners from others.......

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QUOTE(keagan @ Nov 18 2010, 03:12 PM)
thanks for the reply bro..i'm actually on the same ship as the TS...but i have made the choice for a forte..and yes, its without the test drive of the 2.0 version..i'm definitely no fan boy of T but it has its merits..fan boy of H, hahah yeah i'm but it has its problems as well (noisy under carriage after a couple of years) the reason why i'm asking is coz i really don't know how well does a forte stand out as the car's still relatively new in the industry for Msia..

anyway, i made a trip to proton yesterday but yeah the 1.8E feels a bit too bare to my liking..i didn't ask for a test drive as the SA doesn't seem to even notice that i'm there...but as with CVT experience..i gotta say it really shines when it comes to climbing hills...heard of stories that people state the lancer's under powered and such...but i guess its plagued by the CVT, i won't say its a drawback, maybe its due to its smooth power delivery that causes the lack of 'kick' in it =)
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no, many ppl tot CVT causes underpower, its just the mitsubishi didnt do it right. Look at the CVT in the old City/Jazz and the Audi's. Those are brilliant CVT which are efficient with minimal powerloss. Somehow i dunno why the CVT has more powerloss on the lancer. Maybe because of the torque converter instead of clutch in the old City/Jazz.
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Nov 18 2010, 03:28 PM)
no, many ppl tot CVT causes underpower, its just the mitsubishi didnt do it right. Look at the CVT in the old City/Jazz and the Audi's. Those are brilliant CVT which are efficient with minimal powerloss. Somehow i dunno why the CVT has more powerloss on the lancer. Maybe because of the torque converter instead of clutch in the old City/Jazz.
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that's why i find it puzzling too...from my understanding sylphy doesn't have this problem too but sylphy has only 15" for its shoes lah..could it be the 3" more for the rims contributed to this? coz we never had lancers running on 15" except the previous one? and that one's on a 1.6 engine summore...
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Nov 18 2010, 03:28 PM)
no, many ppl tot CVT causes underpower, its just the mitsubishi didnt do it right. Look at the CVT in the old City/Jazz and the Audi's. Those are brilliant CVT which are efficient with minimal powerloss. Somehow i dunno why the CVT has more powerloss on the lancer. Maybe because of the torque converter instead of clutch in the old City/Jazz.
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I thought Audi cars uses DSG gearboxes?
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QUOTE(keagan @ Nov 18 2010, 03:30 PM)
that's why i find it puzzling too...from my understanding sylphy doesn't have this problem too but sylphy has only 15" for its shoes lah..could it be the 3" more for the rims contributed to this? coz we never had lancers running on 15" except the previous one? and that one's on a 1.6 engine summore...
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btw, what's the powerloss quoted for a lancer's cvt gbox? from my understanding i think for city's gbox it was around 12-16% compared to a normal 4AT..
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QUOTE(kiaforteclub @ Nov 18 2010, 03:28 PM)
who wants to compare pockets i'm a poor bump cant affort vtec which suddenly became the topic which is always when u meet a honda fanboy.
just like when u meet a toyota fanboy its always FC which sadly honda still loses to.
forte or inspira owners rather not be lumped together even with H & T ppl
i feel for inspira owners they get the same heat as forte owners from others.......
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Right. Just cause I said inspira is better compared to forte. you get riled up.

Wokay.

Woe is anyone who drives anything better than the forte.

If you want to go down that road, do whatever you want.

Geeeze, justify your purchase more, the more you do it, the more it looks like you regret it.
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QUOTE(Mavik @ Nov 18 2010, 03:31 PM)
I thought Audi cars uses DSG gearboxes?
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they were on CVT, not sure now though..their CVT is a bit more 'canggih' while others uses belts, they actually used chains instead to deliver higher tolerance for it t-charging...correct me if i'm wrong though

http://www.ehow.com/facts_6969242_audi-cvt_.html

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Nov 18 2010, 03:31 PM)
I thought Audi cars uses DSG gearboxes?
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Audi has all gearbox u wish for. DSG, conventional autogearbox, manual and CVT. Depends on the model and specs u opt for. tongue.gif

QUOTE(keagan @ Nov 18 2010, 03:32 PM)
btw, what's the powerloss quoted for a lancer's cvt gbox? from my understanding i think for city's gbox it was around 12-16% compared to a normal 4AT..
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not sure about lancer but i know a stock lancer on the dynojet machine make 114whp on the wheel from 155hp on engine while the old jazz make around 85 to 90whp on the wheel from 109hp on engine. so u go figure. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Mavik @ Nov 18 2010, 03:31 PM)
I thought Audi cars uses DSG gearboxes?
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the older one yes, IE the B7 A4 and the older A6
the box goes by the name 'multitronic'

QUOTE(keagan @ Nov 18 2010, 03:35 PM)
they were on CVT, not sure now though..their CVT is a bit more 'canggih' while others uses belts, they actually used chains instead to deliver higher tolerance for it t-charging...correct me if i'm wrong though
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my boss blown one in his a4, replacement gearbox cost Rm35k laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Beach_Boy @ Nov 18 2010, 03:38 PM)
the older one yes, IE the B7 A4 and the older A6
the box goes by the name 'multitronic'
they were designed to withstand the turbocharged engine's torque, stock one that is
my boss blown one in his a4, replacement gearbox cost Rm35k  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Beach_Boy @ Nov 18 2010, 03:38 PM)
the older one yes, IE the B7 A4 and the older A6
the box goes by the name 'multitronic'
they were designed to withstand the turbocharged engine's torque, stock one that is
my boss blown one in his a4, replacement gearbox cost Rm35k  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Nov 18 2010, 03:38 PM)
Audi has all gearbox u wish for. DSG, conventional autogearbox, manual and CVT. Depends on the model and specs u opt for. tongue.gif
not sure about lancer but i know a stock lancer on the dynojet machine make 114whp on the wheel from 155hp on engine while the old jazz make around 85 to 90whp on the wheel from 109hp on engine. so u go figure. smile.gif
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tht's quite a significant loss...i do wonder though, coz honda did have a history in its cvt by the name of multimatic or something like that which were used on the civics previously...but did mitsubishi have any experience in cvt boxes prior to this? coz i did read tht the cvt did have overheating issues too in the 2007-2008 models..
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QUOTE(keagan @ Nov 18 2010, 03:41 PM)
tht's quite a significant loss...i do wonder though, coz honda did have a history in its cvt by the name of multimatic or something like that which were used on the civics previously...but did mitsubishi have any experience in cvt boxes prior to this? coz i did read tht the cvt did have overheating issues too in the 2007-2008 models..
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I think they still do. It was a design issue. That could be fixed by installing a cooler.

According to proton, they identified this issue and fixed it in the inspira o_o
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Am not a technical person but just want to share below after tested drive the Inspira (personal opinions):

1) Inspira is lack of solid feeling compared to Forte, hence feeling not so secured when in high speed.
2) Handling wise, Inspira (by Lotus) is much better then Forte, cant deny that.
3) Interior, Forte is much more spacious and comfy.
4) Inspira's back seats are just too slumpy dont know can last for how long
5) Checked out the Inspira rear bumper right up to it rear tyres' - u will see double layers above rear tyres. When compared to a Lancer, apparently the finishing in Inspira is not complete (LOL)
6) Overall cost for ownership - Inspira is higher compared to Forte due to higher interest rate for national car.

P/s: Rumours: next batch of Inspira might be going for Campro engine. If you are fancy about the MIVEC engine, should book the first batch now.

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QUOTE(keagan @ Nov 18 2010, 03:41 PM)
tht's quite a significant loss...i do wonder though, coz honda did have a history in its cvt by the name of multimatic or something like that which were used on the civics previously...but did mitsubishi have any experience in cvt boxes prior to this? coz i did read tht the cvt did have overheating issues too in the 2007-2008 models..
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Actually any normal drivers out there cant make the Lancer's CVT overheat that easily. Only when its hardly driven at high speed for long journey will overheat the CVT and into limp mode. If i have bought the Lancer, it sure overheat everytime i drive. lol. hence i bought the fd2. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(omnimech @ Nov 18 2010, 03:52 PM)
I think they still do. It was a design issue. That could be fixed by installing a cooler.

According to proton, they identified this issue and fixed it in the inspira o_o
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thats wat they claim. if that is true. Inspira is definitely a bargain. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(DnG @ Nov 18 2010, 03:59 PM)
Am not a technical person but just want to share below after tested drive the Inspira (personal opinions):

1) Inspira is lack of solid feeling compared to Forte, hence feeling not so secured when in high speed.
2) Handling wise, Inspira (by Lotus) is much better then Forte, cant deny that.
3) Interior, Forte is much more spacious and comfy.
4) Inspira's back seats are just too slumpy dont know can last for how long
5) Checked out the Inspira rear bumper right up to it rear tyres' - u will see double layers above rear tyres. When compared to a Lancer, apparently the finishing in Inspira is not complete (LOL)
6) Overall cost for ownership - Inspira is higher compared to Forte due to higher interest rate for national car.

P/s: Rumours: next batch of Inspira might be going for Campro engine. If you are fancy about the MIVEC engine, should book the first batch now.
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QUOTE(DnG @ Nov 18 2010, 03:59 PM)
P/s: Rumours: next batch of Inspira might be going for Campro engine. If you are fancy about the MIVEC engine, should book the first batch now.
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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Nov 18 2010, 04:15 PM)
nope not gonna happen
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that's why i quoted it as "rumours". As mentioned, I shared this after the test drive and this "rumours" is exactly what that sales agent told me. maybe they are trying their luck to push for more booking i dunno.

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QUOTE(ADVAN @ Nov 15 2010, 03:18 PM)
Inspira carry proton name is sux, forte carry korean name even more sux..

If choose one, then go for Inspira for Lancer technology + paddle shift + cheaper parts (compare to korean) + more potential to mod..
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thumbup.gif thumbup.gif you are right.

Proton car is better than korean car honestly.. Hyundai got more bad records and much much more defect compare to Proton.


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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Nov 15 2010, 03:37 PM)
And a never ending stupid comments like "Inspira FTW" thats all comment. Inspira-fans,Kopitiam-ers, you don't get additional post counts for that.

Inspira is like buying a pirated DVD. It's not a proudly own-designed car. Only GEN2,Persona,Satria Neo are like home-breed designs.

I am not going to vote for any of them in this poll. Enough said. Surely the poll for INSPIRA is higher because of forumer's support for the pirated-copy car.
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QUOTE(omnimech @ Nov 18 2010, 03:52 PM)
I think they still do. It was a design issue. That could be fixed by installing a cooler.

According to proton, they identified this issue and fixed it in the inspira o_o
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yeah i did see them stating so as the front bumper allows space for a fitting of a CVT cooler..but it seems that even for the days of the PV6, they have been fitting gearbox coolers as it leads to failures ...that was the trouble that most PV6 owners had..seems like mitsu gboxes run pretty hot


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QUOTE(Gouki @ Nov 18 2010, 04:06 PM)
Actually any normal drivers out there cant make the Lancer's CVT overheat that easily. Only when its hardly driven at high speed for long journey will overheat the CVT and into limp mode. If i have bought the Lancer, it sure overheat everytime i drive. lol. hence i bought the fd2. tongue.gif


Added on November 18, 2010, 4:09 pm
thats wat they claim. if that is true. Inspira is definitely a bargain. tongue.gif
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ala bro, fd2 cannot compare with a lancer...different types of monsters =p

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I understand if Inspira & Forte owner are doing debate here but what the hell is with those people that doesn't own the car? You come in bull about your Civic / Altis or whatsoever for what?

No one knows better than those owners out there. Just because you test drive it for 10 minutes doesn't mean you can give comment about it already.
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LOL the argument is still going on.Cant believe it.

Anyway just dropped by to say have fun debating.Hope the winner gets a million bucks!
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QUOTE(xVince @ Nov 18 2010, 05:40 PM)
I understand if Inspira & Forte owner are doing debate here but what the hell is with those people that doesn't own the car? You come in bull about your Civic / Altis or whatsoever for what?

No one knows better than those owners out there. Just because you test drive it for 10 minutes doesn't mean you can give comment about it already.
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even if they did own the cars, it doesn't mean they know it better than everyone else..this is what's called a discussion and sharing bro...besides, if everyone's to contribute to this, we will have a ever bigger picture of everything even though it may not always be relevant =) and yes i'm saying so because i'm jumping over from one brand to another...
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QUOTE(xVince @ Nov 18 2010, 05:40 PM)
I understand if Inspira & Forte owner are doing debate here but what the hell is with those people that doesn't own the car? You come in bull about your Civic / Altis or whatsoever for what?

No one knows better than those owners out there. Just because you test drive it for 10 minutes doesn't mean you can give comment about it already.
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bro .. u dun understand at all rclxms.gif
bcoz its a proton! .. no matter what ... they understand the most if its a proton tongue.gif
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btw, inspira owners...how many of them actually gotten the car already?
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Let's have a race Between Inspira & Forte settle once & for all !! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(xVince @ Nov 18 2010, 05:40 PM)
I understand if Inspira & Forte owner are doing debate here but what the hell is with those people that doesn't own the car? You come in bull about your Civic / Altis or whatsoever for what?

No one knows better than those owners out there. Just because you test drive it for 10 minutes doesn't mean you can give comment about it already.
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ah ok then~ so i should STFU till the Inspira is deliver in front of my door step. U see, no one is boasting anything when we are trying to have some healthy discussions and yet ppl like u come in make the stir and some other fanboys start shooting pointless bullets. Make sure you dont comment any other FnF topics on cars that u dont own or drive for less than 10mins as well. smile.gif

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Let's have a race Between Inspira & Forte settle once & for all !! rclxms.gif
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Inspira will pawn Forte all the way back to Holland!
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Holland too cruel !!
Netherlands sound nicer a bit icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 18 2010, 06:07 PM)
Inspira will pawn Forte all the way back to Holland!
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QUOTE(keagan @ Nov 18 2010, 05:43 PM)
even if they did own the cars, it doesn't mean they know it better than everyone else..this is what's called a discussion and sharing bro...besides, if everyone's to contribute to this, we will have a ever bigger picture of everything even though it may not always be relevant =) and yes i'm saying so because i'm jumping over from one brand to another...
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Ok I know my statement above is unclear. What i'm trying to say is those negative comments from non-owners. What is with that? Some owner here already clearly stated there is no problem on the specific but some haters come in and say there is problem in it. This is clearly very misleading to the potential buyers.

QUOTE(Gouki @ Nov 18 2010, 05:56 PM)
ah ok then~ so i should STFU till the Inspira is deliver in front of my door step. U see, no one is boasting anything when we are trying to have some healthy discussions and yet ppl like u come in make the stir and some other fanboys start shooting pointless bullets. Make sure you dont comment any other FnF topics on cars that u dont own or drive for less than 10mins as well.  smile.gif
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Healthy discussion? Oh sorry i'm blind maybe. Everyone is already shooting pointless bullets around before I comment. Sorry if you get butthurted so easily but I don't give negative comments on cars that I don't own.

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QUOTE(Gouki @ Nov 18 2010, 03:38 PM)
Audi has all gearbox u wish for. DSG, conventional autogearbox, manual and CVT. Depends on the model and specs u opt for. tongue.gif
not sure about lancer but i know a stock lancer on the dynojet machine make 114whp on the wheel from 155hp on engine while the old jazz make around 85 to 90whp on the wheel from 109hp on engine. so u go figure. smile.gif
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can show the source?

Thanks
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About the 125WHP from 155hp of the Lancer 2L Civic is correct I witness it
Same for the Lancer as well....around 114-116WHP stock
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it seems mazda 3 is the most peaceful model among the fight in this topic tongue.gif
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Nov 18 2010, 06:52 PM)
About the 125WHP from 155hp of the Lancer 2L Civic is correct I witness it
Same for the Lancer as well....around 114-116WHP stock
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erm...u mean 125WHP from Civic?

Aiya..not much difference la
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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Nov 18 2010, 07:02 PM)
erm...u mean 125WHP from Civic?

Aiya..not much difference la
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Yeah lah, Gouki was mentioning about that way earlier also so I just confirm it la

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Nov 18 2010, 07:19 PM)
Yeah lah, Gouki was mentioning about that way earlier also so I just confirm it la
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 18 2010, 06:07 PM)
Inspira will pawn Forte all the way back to Holland!
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quote for non-owner who knows bashing other car without facts. an example of blind fanboy

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Nov 18 2010, 06:59 PM)
it seems mazda 3 is the most peaceful model among the fight in this topic tongue.gif
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because we always smile biggrin.gif eventhough have been pawn by lancer and civic in term of performance sweat.gif
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QUOTE(jumajuma @ Nov 18 2010, 09:04 PM)
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because we always smile  biggrin.gif  eventhough have been pawn by lancer and civic in term of performance sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Nov 18 2010, 06:59 PM)
it seems mazda 3 is the most peaceful model among the fight in this topic tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jumajuma @ Nov 18 2010, 09:04 PM)
+1
because we always smile  biggrin.gif  eventhough have been pawn by lancer and civic in term of performance sweat.gif
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Well Ford, Volvo, and Mazda share and using C1 Platform... (same chassis) but they never do like what Potong do, Copy and Paste then Cut and Paste... smile.gif

Even Potong supporter always say when ford using Mazda 2 chassis to come out Ford Feista, why we didn't butt hurt or bashing on ford? Reason very simple.. because Ford putting more Design and Performance compare to Mazda 2.. It make it better, and stronger.. not like what Potong do.. biggrin.gif

Peace!
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i think mazda 3 has the best damn looking interior of the lot.. im so in love with th 2.0 steering wheel.. the paddleshift (push / pull) is so niceeeeeee... ahhhh i want the steering wheel can?

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now are we going into mode of praising mazda?

kekekeke..

mazda owner come to the rescue from hot debate.
mazda come with love not war

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we're "mazdarian the peacekeeper"
i always move aside everytime other car cucuk2 my ass.. not because i'm scared to be a loser but my rear bumper really expensive wooo... i got no money woooo

my point is buy the car suited u the best, not the highest performance, most nicest, or most value. Test drive all car within ur budget also. Because no matter how powerful your car u'll always stuck in jam together with saga, myvi even kancil also.
p/s : and always find a car that come with foldable side mirror it come verry handy if mat rempit wan to pass tru ur car in jam.


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QUOTE(jumajuma @ Nov 18 2010, 09:52 PM)
we're "mazdarian the peacekeeper"
i always move aside everytime other car cucuk2 my ass.. not because i'm scared to be a loser but my rear bumper really expensive wooo... i got no money woooo

my point is buy the car suited u the best, not the highest performance, most nicest, or most value. Test drive all car within ur budget also. Because no matter how powerful your car u'll always stuck in jam together with saga, myvi even kancil also.
p/s : and always find a car that come with foldable side mirror it come verry handy if mat rempit wan to pass tru ur car in jam.
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jz a bit sad the pricing of mazda 3 was slightly above, same mistake with wad hyundai is doing

and the foldable mirror.....if rempit decide to bang or smash through it,i guess its more exp to repair oso sweat.gif
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because we always smile  biggrin.gif  eventhough have been pawn by lancer and civic in term of performance sweat.gif
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mazda3 2.0 performance not comparable to inspira or forte 2.0?
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QUOTE(phas3r @ Nov 18 2010, 09:56 PM)
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mazda3 2.0 performance not comparable to inspira or forte 2.0?
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engine performance straight line 60-120km/hr race sure loose with lancer GT and civic 2.0 but forte not sure. handling wise can tailgate lancer and civic in curvy road very close. must use the manual mode when taking sharp corner else go to "gaung" the grip is there and steering very precise. i didnt try drag race with other, so i dont know how the 0-100 figure.
inspira should be same as lancer GT and if i'm not mistaken forte also using the same engine block with mitsu so performance in straight should be almost same.

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QUOTE(phas3r @ Nov 18 2010, 09:56 PM)
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mazda3 2.0 performance not comparable to inspira or forte 2.0?
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I love Mazda very much, but too high maintanence oredy... Plus no resale value.. If i am i of the milionaire, i buy .. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Black3210 @ Nov 18 2010, 11:17 PM)
I love Mazda very much, but too high maintanence oredy... Plus no resale value.. If i am i of the milionaire, i buy ..   rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(jumajuma @ Nov 18 2010, 10:10 PM)
engine performance straight line 60-120km/hr  race sure loose with lancer GT and civic 2.0 but forte not sure. handling wise can tailgate lancer and civic in curvy road very close. must use the manual mode when taking sharp corner else go to "gaung" the grip is there and steering very precise. i didnt try drag race with other, so i dont know how the 0-100 figure.
inspira should be same as lancer GT and if i'm not mistaken forte also using the same engine block with mitsu so performance in straight should be almost same.
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forte pawn lancer in staright line..their CVT slows their acceleration..donno la whats wrong with their CVT..
tested a few times with another stock LGT.. but FD2 pawns all... at 180-200 all about on par..

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Does Gran Turismo 5 have both Proton Inspira and Forte?
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QUOTE(Waachaaa @ Nov 18 2010, 11:27 PM)
Does Gran Turismo 5 have both Proton Inspira and Forte?
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Then we shall see whose the winner
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 18 2010, 11:23 PM)
lol if u are a millionaire u wouldnt even look at a mazda.. lol.. at least an Audi, BMW, or merc haha


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forte pawn lancer in staright line..their CVT slows their acceleration..donno la whats wrong with their CVT..
tested a few times with another stock LGT.. but FD2 pawns all... at 180-200 all about on par..
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Which highway can we drive consistently til reach 180-200km... brows.gif

Jz maintain 150 - 160 enough already.. more fuel saving icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Black3210 @ Nov 18 2010, 11:46 PM)
Which highway can we drive consistently til reach 180-200km...  brows.gif 

Jz maintain 150 - 160 enough already.. more fuel saving    icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 18 2010, 11:23 PM)
lol if u are a millionaire u wouldnt even look at a mazda.. lol.. at least an Audi, BMW, or merc haha


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forte pawn lancer in staright line..their CVT slows their acceleration..donno la whats wrong with their CVT..
tested a few times with another stock LGT.. but FD2 pawns all... at 180-200 all about on par..
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but 1.8manual inspira must be faster than fd2, forte 2.0 and inspira 2.0 right?
because of the manual transmission
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QUOTE(Black3210 @ Nov 18 2010, 11:46 PM)
Which highway can we drive consistently til reach 180-200km...  brows.gif 
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Both cars also don't have
For Mitsubishi is all the bigger turbo brothers
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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Nov 19 2010, 08:44 AM)
but 1.8manual inspira must be faster than fd2, forte 2.0 and inspira 2.0 right?
because of the manual transmission
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IMO, Inspira 2.0 should also comes with DSG option, ot 6 speed MT at least.
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if like that...i bet the price will be RM1xxxxx for both 1.8 and 2.0
as well buy Lancer..
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QUOTE(Black3210 @ Nov 18 2010, 11:46 PM)
Which highway can we drive consistently til reach 180-200km...  brows.gif 

Jz maintain 150 - 160 enough already.. more fuel saving    icon_idea.gif
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180-200kmh is my cruising speed during midnight when not much traffic.
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you 'cruise' at 220-230kmh even if there are four person on board dry.gif
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anw, u know how >300kmh feels like, what is 230kmh for u. tongue.gif

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IMO, Inspira 2.0 should also comes with DSG option, ot 6 speed MT at least.
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i mean, comon, who doesnt want a hot, sexy, blue-eyed.....DSG/TSi/GT golf/polo/passat cc.

p/s: i know what you all are thinking after reading the 1st half of the sentence above...ahahaha....even Proton had wetdreams too ok.
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please...do not rub salt onto Proton anymore than they already have. didnt you read? a few pages back someone mentioned that Proton wanted to get laid with a German lass, only to be rejected. that's why now they got back with their divorced wife.

i mean, comon, who doesnt want a hot, sexy, blue-eyed.....DSG/TSi/GT golf/polo/passat cc.

p/s: i know what you all are thinking after reading the 1st half of the sentence above...ahahaha....even Proton had wetdreams too ok.
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eh, you more mad with your Ford. whistling.gif

anw, u know how >300kmh feels like, what is 230kmh for u. tongue.gif
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Erm, I don't. So I guess it is safe to say it is all up to individual preferrences?
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eh, you more mad with your Ford. whistling.gif

anw, u know how >300kmh feels like, what is 230kmh for u. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(eddie_al @ Nov 19 2010, 03:36 PM)
please...do not rub salt onto Proton anymore than they already have. didnt you read? a few pages back someone mentioned that Proton wanted to get laid with a German lass, only to be rejected. that's why now they got back with their divorced wife.

i mean, comon, who doesnt want a hot, sexy, blue-eyed.....DSG/TSi/GT golf/polo/passat cc.

p/s: i know what you all are thinking after reading the 1st half of the sentence above...ahahaha....even Proton had wetdreams too ok.
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Well for what's its worth, PE put up a 1.8 Inspirated at lobby of Menara Maybank for the past week, only receive 2 orders according to the SA. I guess a lot of smarter consumer out there ...........
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QUOTE(eddie_al @ Nov 19 2010, 03:36 PM)
please...do not rub salt onto Proton anymore than they already have. didnt you read? a few pages back someone mentioned that Proton wanted to get laid with a German lass, only to be rejected. that's why now they got back with their divorced wife.

i mean, comon, who doesnt want a hot, sexy, blue-eyed.....DSG/TSi/GT golf/polo/passat cc.

p/s: i know what you all are thinking after reading the 1st half of the sentence above...ahahaha....even Proton had wetdreams too ok.
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I forget to add, PROTON have another wife, a French wife. But what happened to that French wife nowdays? Now just a small concubine after getting back to it's Jap wife? biggrin.gif
Just to that, that French wife happened to be mixed with Japanese and British too. smile.gif

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the french wife gave proton it's rally winning s2000 engine.......
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The french wife's engine even underwent boob job, lypo and many more man for the Proton S2000 rally

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the french wife gave proton it's rally winning s2000 engine.......
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in a chassis with independent suspension
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in a chassis with independent suspension
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eh, you more mad with your Ford. whistling.gif

anw, u know how >300kmh feels like, what is 230kmh for u. tongue.gif
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after reading so many comments, based on my own observation, i realized some of the pros and cons of both cars now.

Spacious - Forte has bigger inside space compare to Inspira
Driving leisure - Because of the tuning of lotus engine, Inspira should have a better driving leisure in city/highway compare to Forte
Comfort - I guess this one i need to go to test drive the car myself to see which one offers better comfort
FC - Heard from many, and seems like Forte offers more fuel savings (but if i'm going for Forte, guess will wait for the 6 gear auto to come in next year [if they ever come in]). Then again, not a true comparison since forte=1.6 and inspira=1.8.
Resell value - At this moment, hard to say as both cars are relatively new. Have to wait few years and see.
Spare parts - Inspira wins as Kia spare parts tend to be more expensive.
Pickup speed - Seems like Inspira wins, but this is not my criteria, so does not really matter.
Brake system - Forte wins, because Inspira does not have the traction control system.
Safetyness - From both video clips, Inspira looks tougher abit compare to Forte, but then again, I think both also within my expectation.
After sales service - Have unpleasant experience with Proton all the while, till today. But then again, in this thread, I heard that Naza is not much better also.

Well, appreciate most of your comments and feedback so far. It gives me a much clearer picture now on both car choices. Will go test drive soon.

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Brake system have nothing to do with traction control. Traction control is a system which ensures no loss in wheel traction when power is exerted to the wheel. On turning corners etc. It will use the brakes to control the power. For brake, abs and ebd should be the one to talk about
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QUOTE(Beach_Boy @ Nov 20 2010, 06:42 AM)
what
i've only cruised at 180
you're doing 230 leh whistling.gif
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both also cruise faster then me
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After test drive forte n Inspira at coty2u@matrade, I vote Inspira. Forte nvh very poor compare to Inspira. Road noise very loud.
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QUOTE(vexus @ Nov 20 2010, 08:15 PM)
After test drive forte n Inspira at coty2u@matrade, I vote Inspira. Forte nvh very poor  compare to Inspira. Road noise very loud.
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yep true..one of the main culprit is the noisy stock kumho tires..
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Why forte got under compact car segment in autocar car of the year...lancer got into higher segment?
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I just came back frm melaka and I was really impressed by the stock soundproofing of the forte..at 140kmh I couldn't hear any wind or road noise..maybe a lil road noise but it's not disturbing..anyways if you guys test drove the forte and says the tyres is noise..check the tyre condition..maybe gonna botak d..
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QUOTE(seanoys @ Nov 20 2010, 10:46 PM)
I just came back frm melaka and I was really impressed by the stock soundproofing of the forte..at 140kmh I couldn't hear any wind or road noise..maybe a lil road noise but it's not disturbing..anyways if you guys test drove the forte and says the tyres is noise..check the tyre condition..maybe gonna botak d..
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 20 2010, 11:32 PM)
nah..its the kumho tires really damn noisy..i changed to yokohama now no more noise
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Really? Hmm weird..maybe my tires still new..lol..how much you paid?
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 20 2010, 11:32 PM)
nah..its the kumho tires really damn noisy..i changed to yokohama now no more noise
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yup...kumho tyres very noisy...but hey...my kumho thread still like new rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Nov 20 2010, 11:42 PM)
yup...kumho tyres very noisy...but hey...my kumho thread still like new  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(vexus @ Nov 20 2010, 09:15 PM)
After test drive forte n Inspira at coty2u@matrade, I vote Inspira. Forte nvh very poor  compare to Inspira. Road noise very loud.
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the noise came from the tyres.....bare with it....i'm used to it too....
will use till tayar botak
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Best way is to bring the Forte straight to Autofoam and get the full ultimate package. After that, you will definitely love the Forte ride biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Mavik @ Nov 21 2010, 01:16 AM)
Best way is to bring the Forte straight to Autofoam and get the full ultimate package. After that, you will definitely love the Forte ride biggrin.gif
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How much for that?
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Nov 15 2010, 10:27 PM)
weird..already reached pahang/melaka...
full tank can reached 500km..left 100km Distance to empty some more...your friend forte come from other earth? laugh.gif
btw, in my car also four people...
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go for inspira, cheaper sparepart and easy to get...!

forte=naza
mitsu=proton

just foeget bout it
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QUOTE(Pogostik @ Nov 17 2010, 11:16 PM)
And they still can't win against CM98 alone. But then CM98 has shown some interests in Forte. Forte will get a formidable supporter if CM98 decided to switch camp. So beware all of you Korean-bashers!

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tongue.gif It's for his wife, NOT him, lol. BTW, I have a feeling Kevin23 and him are brothers, maybe split personalities or something along that line . They share the same name to begin with (if CM98 wasn't lying in the first place). icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(kcgboyz @ Nov 21 2010, 04:33 PM)
go for inspira, cheaper sparepart and easy to get...!

forte=naza
mitsu=proton

just foeget bout it
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what's dis

kia = naza la.anyway naza jz chg the batch

QUOTE(michaelho @ Nov 21 2010, 05:06 PM)
tongue.gif It's for his wife, NOT him, lol. BTW, I have a feeling Kevin23 and him are brothers, maybe split personalities or something along that line . They share the same name to begin with (if CM98 wasn't lying in the first place).  icon_idea.gif
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cm98 is better thn kevin23 tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 17 2010, 02:55 PM)
I dont even know why they bother comparing forte with inspira. Its not even a close fight.

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At the end of the day, it's our own money and our risk. All cars bring you to the same destination. You buy whatever car that you like and are able to afford. It's YOUR money and MY money, period !!!

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QUOTE(michaelho @ Nov 21 2010, 05:06 PM)
tongue.gif It's for his wife, NOT him, lol. BTW, I have a feeling Kevin23 and him are brothers, maybe split personalities or something along that line . They share the same name to begin with (if CM98 wasn't lying in the first place).  icon_idea.gif
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Yes I know. But do you really think he's going to let his missus buys a car without any consideration?

Btw. this is taken from MyForte thread:
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Maybe i should join in with some technical arguments...ive been quiet for some time...bogged down with work
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"Join in" is referring to this discussion. Now, be afraid. Be very afraid. Hahahahahahahaha.

QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Nov 21 2010, 05:10 PM)
cm98 is better thn kevin23  tongue.gif
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cyber is way better than kevin. including manners.

haahahahahahahahahah

btw this poll still shows the same result. which forte trailing by 100 votes.
and the votes is coming from malaysian mindset in general.

(inspira) 60:40 (forte)


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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 21 2010, 06:13 PM)
cyber is way better than kevin. including manners.

haahahahahahahahahah

btw this poll still shows the same result. which forte trailing by 100 votes.
and the votes is coming from malaysian mindset in general.

(inspira) 60:40 (forte)
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QUOTE(Pogostik @ Nov 21 2010, 07:05 PM)
Yes I know. But do you really think he's going to let his missus buys a car without any consideration?

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That's why! Who knows, maybe he wants it for himself but too 'malu' to admit it after all the bashings he has done, use wife as scapegoat lor, but since he is 'considering' something which he has absolutely dislike in the first place, surely Forte has something there . rclxms.gif Now, would anyone even consider something bad for the woman you love? BTW, I am NO fanboy of any sort, I just love my ride. Just can't tahan people who bashes other people's choice blindly. Kita punya duit, kita punya suka, apa dia orang susah?

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QUOTE(michaelho @ Nov 21 2010, 06:22 PM)
That's why! Who knows, maybe he wants it for himself but too 'malu' to admit it after all the bashings he has done, use wife as scapegoat lor, but since he is 'considering' something which he has absolutely dislike in the first place, surely Forte has something there .  rclxms.gif  Now, would anyone even consider something bad for the woman you love? BTW, I am NO fanboy of any sort, I just love my ride. Just can't people who bashes other people's choice blindly.
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i would buy a huge pickup truck for my future wifey..safer lol..she can park anywhere she wants..
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lol..its ok..at least the forte is pawning every other jap brand in the US,singapore and china lol
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women are bad drivers..i would recommend very slow car with full safety features..lol..
i would buy a huge pickup truck for my future wifey..safer lol..she can park anywhere she wants..
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jap cars like Honda CITY are too overpriced for B segment car.. i dun like that...better choose INSPIRA or FORTE.. smile.gif
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jap cars like Honda CITY are too overpriced for B segment car.. i dun like that...better choose INSPIRA or FORTE.. smile.gif
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Still confused why autocar put forte n lancer in different segment in car of the year contest
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no confuse here. some owner and US also claim its under D segment car.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-segment



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no confuse here. some owner and US also claim its under D segment car.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-segment
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The Mitsubishi Lancer is a family car built by Mitsubishi Motors. It has been known as the Colt Lancer, Dodge/Plymouth Colt, Chrysler Valiant Lancer, Chrysler Lancer, Eagle Summit, Hindustan Lancer, Soueast Lioncel, Mitsubishi Carisma, and Mitsubishi Mirage in various countries at different times, and has been sold as the Galant Fortis in Japan since 2007. It has also been sold as Lancer Fortis in Taiwan with a different facelift compared to Galant Fortis.

WAFAK Hindustan Lancer
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Im neither a fan of Kia or Proton cars as ive had bad experiences with both of them. But if im considering between these 2 cars i would choose the Forte over the Inspira because of these reasons:

1) Inspira only has basic ABS and EBD unlike the Forte which comes with Traction Control and ESP. Forte also has more airbags.
2) Leather seats in Inspira do not feel like Nappa leather. Seems that some areas are Nappa while certain areas feel just like normal imitation leather. Can someone do the fire test and confirm this?
3) CD player in the Inspira is very backward and cheapo looking. Feels totally out of place with a 2010 model car.
4) Something really feels weird with the doors. The Lancer feels more solid while the Inspira sounds very hollow. Some modifications has been done on the doors for sure which Proton is not telling us about. If they can hide this then what else are they hiding?
5) The Inspira has a CVT gearbox. Does Proton have the expertise to maintain or repair this type of gearbox should any problem arise?
6) Much higher interest rate by Proton.
7) Inspira may seem a better buy if compared to the original price of the Lancer. But in terms of dollar for dollar, a RM92K pricetag for a 2.0L with only ABS, EBD, 2 airbags, cheapo CD player and hollow doors does seem a bit high.

Im not being biased here. I dislike and like both brands for various reasons. But for the reasons above i would prefer to go with the Kia Forte.
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Ford Fiesta hatchback is a good buy also, although it's a B Segment class car (compare to Forte & Inspira, which is a C & D segment class car).

For your price range.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 21 2010, 11:36 PM)
Im neither a fan of Kia or Proton cars as ive had bad experiences with both of them. But if im considering between these 2 cars i would choose the Forte over the Inspira because of these reasons:

1) Inspira only has basic ABS and EBD unlike the Forte which comes with Traction Control and ESP. Forte also has more airbags.
2) Leather seats in Inspira do not feel like Nappa leather. Seems that some areas are Nappa while certain areas feel just like normal imitation leather. Can someone do the fire test and confirm this?
3) CD player in the Inspira is very backward and cheapo looking. Feels totally out of place with a 2010 model car.
4) Something really feels weird with the doors. The Lancer feels more solid while the Inspira sounds very hollow. Some modifications has been done on the doors for sure which Proton is not telling us about. If they can hide this then what else are they hiding?
5) The Inspira has a CVT gearbox. Does Proton have the expertise to maintain or repair this type of gearbox should any problem arise?
6) Much higher interest rate by Proton.
7) Inspira may seem a better buy if compared to the original price of the Lancer. But in terms of dollar for dollar, a RM92K pricetag for a 2.0L with only ABS, EBD, 2 airbags, cheapo CD player and hollow doors does seem a bit high.

Im not being biased here. I dislike and like both brands for various reasons. But for the reasons above i would prefer to go with the Kia Forte.
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QUOTE(michaelho @ Nov 21 2010, 06:22 PM)
That's why! Who knows, maybe he wants it for himself but too 'malu' to admit it after all the bashings he has done, use wife as scapegoat lor, but since he is 'considering' something which he has absolutely dislike in the first place, surely Forte has something there .  rclxms.gif  Now, would anyone even consider something bad for the woman you love? BTW, I am NO fanboy of any sort, I just love my ride. Just can't tahan people who bashes other people's choice blindly. Kita punya duit, kita punya suka, apa dia orang susah?
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U seem to have a very warped idea of logic. I dont mix my facts or arguments. My stand on the Forte remains the same. Whatever ive said in the past remains the same. But as ive said it a few times, so i dont need to repeat it again. Facts are facts. Forte has its limitations and its strengths. These 'facts' havent changed for me. Its good points safety specs, NVH, spaciousness, physical looks, etc are there for all to see. Its 'weak points' like resale value, maintenance costs, build quality, etc are left to been seen. Although i think Kia has a long way to go before they can compete with Toyota and Honda but ill give the Forte the benefit of the doubt for now. The Forte has been a good effort from Kia and so far its pricing has revolutionised the Malaysian automative industry. All car manufacturers are more careful now with their pricing as a result. Thus im grateful to Kia for this.

So MichaelHo, i dont need to feel malu about anything. I wont buy a Forte for sure as im targetting a bigger car not because its a bad car and it will take alot more than a Forte for me to leave my great past 7.5yrs with Toyota behind. My wife is still considering a car but for the moment the plan has been put on hold as she prefers to wait for the Hyundai Avante. Besides that, we're looking into purchasing 2 properties for investment next year (which i think its a more worthy investment compared to buying cars).

So before u go around shooting your mouth off like a 5 yr old kid, read up ALL my posts before commenting. BTW i dont need to resort to cheap tactics like using 2 nicks to table my arguments. Im capable enough in standing on my own. So again, go check all yer facts before accusing me of anything.

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 22 2010, 12:00 AM)
OMFG...CM98 is NOT bashing forte this time! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 22 2010, 12:03 AM)
As i said, its a Inspira vs Forte comment.  brows.gif
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BTW ive managed to do a side by side Ori Lancer GT and Inspira..
Very Very much different indeed in terms of built interior quality, sound proofing, materials used. Like u said..something is definitely wrong with inspira door panel..damn hollow.. even the dash when u knock feels hollow.. the Ori Lancer isnt like this at all

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 22 2010, 12:04 AM)
BTW ive managed to do a side by side Ori Lancer GT and Inspira..
Very Very much different indeed in terms of built interior quality, sound proofing, materials used. Like u said..something is definitely wrong with inspira door panel..damn hollow.. even the dash when u knock feels hollow.. the Ori Lancer isnt like this at all
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This i agree with u 100%. Something is seriously wrong in the Inspira interior quality. Very worrying in fact. Care to share more of your analysis?
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i agree 100% too...that's y i mentioned earlier....
my fren owned a Lancer EX model....compare to Inspira, still LEX wins hand down...in term of quality
juz say if LEX ald win in QA, dun nid say LGT la...
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 22 2010, 12:07 AM)
This i agree with u 100%. Something is seriously wrong in the Inspira interior quality. Very worrying in fact. Care to share more of your analysis?
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if u look in the rear trunk..there are exposed metal parts which are not present in my fren's lancer..
Hood Sound proofing is different..interior plastics seems of diff material..the inspira is kinda bluish to me(which look damn cheap) .. the lancer is darker abit..
Dint test drive it to compare the diff ride and handling claimed by potong
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 22 2010, 01:02 AM)
U seem to have a very warped idea of logic. I dont mix my facts or arguments. My stand on the Forte remains the same. Whatever ive said in the past remains the same. But as ive said it a few times, so i dont need to repeat it again. Facts are facts. Forte has its limitations and its strengths. These 'facts' havent changed for me. Its good points safety specs, NVH, spaciousness, physical looks, etc are there for all to see. Its 'weak points' like resale value, maintenance costs, build quality, etc are left to been seen. Although i think Kia has a long way to go before they can compete with Toyota and Honda but ill give the Forte the benefit of the doubt for now. The Forte has been a good effort from Kia and so far its pricing has revolutionised the Malaysian automative industry. All car manufacturers are more careful now with their pricing as a result. Thus im grateful to Kia for this.

So MichaelHo, i dont need to feel malu about anything. I wont buy a Forte for sure as im targetting a bigger car not because its a bad car and it will take alot more than a Forte for me to leave my great past 7.5yrs with Toyota behind. My wife is still considering a car but for the moment the plan has been put on hold as she prefers to wait for the Hyundai Avante. Besides that, we're looking into purchasing 2 properties for investment next year (which i think its a more worthy investment compared to buying cars).

So before u go around shooting your mouth off like a 5 yr old kid, read up ALL my posts before commenting. BTW i dont need to resort to cheap tactics like using 2 nicks to table my arguments. Im capable enough in standing on my own. So again, go check all yer facts before accusing me of anything.

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So is there any different of sizes of these two because they belong to different segment
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QUOTE(kapultek @ Nov 22 2010, 12:28 AM)
So is there any different of sizes of these two because they belong to different segment
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the interior width of the forte is bigger then the lancer..

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just had a look at the new hyundai avante
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2...d-in-korea.html

indeed, it's really a gorgeous car. personally i find it better than forte and inspira. I wonder how much it will be selling and when it will arrive in msia.

by the way, the 1.6L is running on 1.6L Gamma Gasoline Direct Injection engine, 6 speed auto. I'm hoping that it will run on Theta instead.
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QUOTE(karmakid @ Nov 22 2010, 01:06 AM)
just had a look at the new hyundai avante
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2...d-in-korea.html

indeed, it's really a gorgeous car. personally i find it better than forte and inspira. I wonder how much it will be selling and when it will arrive in msia.

by the way, the 1.6L is running on 1.6L Gamma Gasoline Direct Injection engine, 6 speed auto. I'm hoping that it will run on Theta instead.
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the GDI engine is good..the new face lifted forte will be using this powerful engine..

but i really doubt it will make an appearance in malaysia..
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are you talking about the new forte with GDI engine or the new Avante will make the appearance in msia?

http://paultan.org/2010/11/09/hyundai-to-d...ta-fe-at-klims/

seems like we can get a preview of Avante in early Dec in PWTC. It's not a launch, but at least ppl can decide if it's worth the wait.

As for the forte with new GDI engine, no comment as I cant find any news from the net.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 22 2010, 01:15 AM)
the GDI engine is good..the new face lifted forte will be using this powerful engine..

but i really doubt it will make an appearance in malaysia..
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Why a facelift so early? It is a 4D sedan with a 6 speed gearbox?
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I chose Forte, Inspira is good car but the brand will drag the price down.
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QUOTE(karmakid @ Nov 22 2010, 01:06 AM)
just had a look at the new hyundai avante
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2...d-in-korea.html

indeed, it's really a gorgeous car. personally i find it better than forte and inspira. I wonder how much it will be selling and when it will arrive in msia.

by the way, the 1.6L is running on 1.6L Gamma Gasoline Direct Injection engine, 6 speed auto. I'm hoping that it will run on Theta instead.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 22 2010, 01:15 AM)
the GDI engine is good..the new face lifted forte will be using this powerful engine..

but i really doubt it will make an appearance in malaysia..
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they won't make it. i meant for GDI. heard you need quality petrol minimum ron97 and above to run this engine.
dunno how true it is.

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Why a facelift so early? It is a 4D sedan with a 6 speed gearbox?
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Minor facelift. But important thing is that it will have a 6 speed. Crap thing is that the GDI engine most probably won't reach our shore.
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QUOTE(karmakid @ Nov 22 2010, 02:24 AM)
are you talking about the new forte with GDI engine or the new Avante will make the appearance in msia?

http://paultan.org/2010/11/09/hyundai-to-d...ta-fe-at-klims/

seems like we can get a preview of Avante in early Dec in PWTC. It's not a launch, but at least ppl can decide if it's worth the wait.

As for the forte with new GDI engine, no comment as I cant find any news from the net.
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http://www.kia.co.kr/vehicles/forte/
http://forte.kia.co.kr/

they ald using it nw....juz wait for malaysia turn oni

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 21 2010, 11:36 PM)
5) The Inspira has a CVT gearbox. Does Proton have the expertise to maintain or repair this type of gearbox should any problem arise?
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There is no serviceable components for CVT gearbox - a sudden shock and slip happens in the gearbox then permanent damage. It needs to be replaced as a whole. The part that can be serviced is the torque converter. So no expertise needed. tongue.gif Err... the expertise is that they should know which type of gear oil it should use.






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lol...CVT GB so muafan 1 @@???
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QUOTE(lunateck @ Nov 22 2010, 07:21 AM)
Minor facelift. But important thing is that it will have a 6 speed. Crap thing is that the GDI engine most probably won't reach our shore.
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Any idea of the launch date and pricing?
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Current vote seems to be 313 for Inspira and 211 for Forte, seems like more people would go for the Inspira
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Current vote seems to be 313 for Inspira and 211 for Forte, seems like more people would go for the Inspira
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yeah...inspira is people choice...but its does not mean inspira is superior than forte...for interior quality & exterior forte win (at least for me)
for perfomance, inspira might win.only with a little margin..thank to 4 speed for forte...
but if next year forte come with 6speed GDI engine (probability high becoz NAZA well known import car directly from korea...only change some minor part & claim CKD brows.gif ), that result might be changing....
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Any idea of the launch date and pricing?
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if you really shortlisted forte as part of your wife's future car.. i suggest you to wait at least until march 2011.
until then only know whether there will be facelifted forte coming into our shore.
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 22 2010, 01:42 PM)
if you really shortlisted forte as part of your wife's future car.. i suggest you to wait at least until march 2011.
until then only know whether there will be facelifted forte coming into our shore.
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Oh yes. She wont be buying anything before March for sure. Too many new models due in 2011. Best is to wait and see. She isnt in any hurry anyway and neither am i.
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CM98, consider 2 buy the new facelift forte??
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Nov 22 2010, 01:31 PM)
yeah...inspira is people choice...but its does not mean inspira is superior than forte...for interior quality & exterior forte win (at least for me)
for perfomance, inspira might win.only with a little margin..thank to 4 speed for forte...
but if next year forte come with 6speed GDI engine (probability high becoz NAZA well known import car directly from korea...only change some minor part & claim CKD brows.gif ), that result might be changing....
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Might be true since now the 308t also got 6 speed transmission. nod.gif
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QUOTE(Hidan @ Nov 15 2010, 07:27 PM)
Until Jeremy Clarkson says something nice about Korean cars, I will find it hard to support any Korean made. I dunno man. Eventhough JC is suppose to be funny fellow, somehow there is some truth when he bashes something.
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CM98, consider 2 buy the new facelift forte??
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I wont but maybe my wife. Depends on the changes and the price.
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the 6 speed is fine with me, but am a bit skeptical with the GDI engine. From what I've been reading around, GDI is sensitive to the petrol quality and Malaysian petrol quality may not be suitable. Maybe a new dual cvvt engine perhaps?
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http://paultan.org/2010/11/23/hyundai-kia-...yota-in-europe/

Hyundai-Kia nudges past Toyota in Europe

According to reports, the Hyundai Motor Group overtook Toyota in October to become the best selling Asian carmaker in Europe this year, provisionally speaking. Data from the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association, or ACEA, had Hyundai and Kia’s European sales up by 4% in the first 10 months of 2010, to 521,369 vehicles, while Toyota’s sales, including that of Lexus, fell 16.5% percent to 511,754.
Hyundai’s achievement is significant, given that new car registrations in Europe decreased by 5% for the first ten months of the year, with 11.6 million new vehicles registered, compared to the 12.24 million for the same time period in 2009.
The Korean carmaker’s US sales has also gone up, by 21%, its market share increasing as Toyota’s fell, not surprising given the negative impact brought about by the latter’s seemingly endless stream of recalls. Sales of the Sonata were up by 64% – comparatively, Camry sales dropped by 6.3%.
Back in Europe, Nissan should also have a lot to smile about – among the major players, it has posted the most significant gains in 2010 sales, up 13.1% from last year.


Wow in EU also Hyundai-Kia is beating the crap out of japs... America,china,singapore now EU..

only in malaysia most ppl have stupid mentality about korean cars...
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 23 2010, 04:35 PM)
http://paultan.org/2010/11/23/hyundai-kia-...yota-in-europe/

Hyundai-Kia nudges past Toyota in Europe

According to reports, the Hyundai Motor Group overtook Toyota in October to become the best selling Asian carmaker in Europe this year, provisionally speaking. Data from the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association, or ACEA, had Hyundai and Kia’s European sales up by 4% in the first 10 months of 2010, to 521,369 vehicles, while Toyota’s sales, including that of Lexus, fell 16.5% percent to 511,754.
Hyundai’s achievement is significant, given that new car registrations in Europe decreased by 5% for the first ten months of the year, with 11.6 million new vehicles registered, compared to the 12.24 million for the same time period in 2009.
The Korean carmaker’s US sales has also gone up, by 21%, its market share increasing as Toyota’s fell, not surprising given the negative impact brought about by the latter’s seemingly endless stream of recalls. Sales of the Sonata were up by 64% – comparatively, Camry sales dropped by 6.3%.
Back in Europe, Nissan should also have a lot to smile about – among the major players, it has posted the most significant gains in 2010 sales, up 13.1% from last year.
Wow in EU also Hyundai-Kia is beating the crap out of japs... America,china,singapore now EU..

only in malaysia most ppl have stupid mentality about korean cars...
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Nope. Only in Malaysia do we have crap distributers and servicing agents. Thats the deciding factor here in Malaysia. Improve on that and i dont see why Hyundai - Kia cannot be No 1 in Malaysia too. The change of mentality will come in time. It wont happen overnight. Dont forget that over the past 15 years Malaysia has probably seen about 15 Kia and Hyundai models introduced with mostly average quality and after sales standards. You cannot aspect 1 Forte model to change that overnight. It needs more effort and persistence but Kia has already started. Its up to them to continue and persist with great cars and competitive pricing.

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See what Nissan did with their newly launched Teana. They priced the 2.0L about 7K cheaper than the Camry 2.0L. Do you think that will be enough to eat into the Camry sales? I seriously doubt that.

Hyundai made the same mistake with the Sonata and they paid the price for their foolishness. So now even though they are offering a RM 3,000 overtrade, its still not boosting sales that much. If anybody wants to challenge the Japs, it has to be done with much cheaper and better spec cars like the Kia Forte.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 23 2010, 04:48 PM)
Nope. Only in Malaysia do we have crap distributers and servicing agents. Thats the deciding factor here in Malaysia. Improve on that and i dont see why Hyundai - Kia cannot be No 1 in Malaysia too. The change of mentality will come in time. It wont happen overnight. Dont forget that over the past 15 years Malaysia has probably seen about 15 Kia and Hyundai models introduced with mostly average quality and after sales standards. You cannot aspect 1 Forte model to change that overnight. It needs more effort and persistence but Kia has already started. Its up to them to continue and persist with great cars and competitive pricing.
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Yep..slowly but its changing.. cANT wait for the Optima, facelifted forte and the upcoming Avante!!

BTW from experience, Kia SC and aftersales under Naza is MUCH MUCH better then that of HONDA right now.
I have no idea WTF wrong with Honda nowadays.. damn cheapskate liar..
local CKD honda got so damn muh problem (accord)

maintainence policy also damn stupid...
even if service with Fully synth, next service must alo after 5,000 KM failure to do so will void warranty.. WTF HONDA..damn cheapskate
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 23 2010, 04:56 PM)
Yep..slowly but its changing.. cANT wait for the Optima, facelifted forte and the upcoming Avante!!

BTW from experience, Kia SC and aftersales under Naza is MUCH MUCH better then that of HONDA right now.
I have no idea WTF wrong with Honda nowadays.. damn cheapskate liar..
local CKD honda got so damn muh problem (accord)

maintainence policy also damn stupid...
even if service with Fully synth, next service must alo after 5,000 KM failure to do so will void warranty.. WTF HONDA..damn cheapskate
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Yes ure damn right about Honda. I dont understand that rubbish 5K interval even with Fully Synthetic engine oil. Their quality standards are also dropping. My sister in law's 4 yr old City is already giving her so much of trouble that she's planning to dump it (and Honda) next year.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 23 2010, 04:59 PM)
Yes ure damn right about Honda. I dont understand that rubbish 5K interval even with Fully Synthetic engine oil. Their quality standards are also dropping. My sister in law's 4 yr old City is already giving her so much of trouble that she's planning to dump it (and Honda) next year.
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Yeah totally agree with that, I just sold off my Civic after it gave me sooooo many problems...
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Honda now giving problems....dunno abt Toyota yet..
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to be honest the forte was quite tempting from what i saw at COTY last weekend. Sales guys were very aggresive..
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Have ts ever put cruze in consideration?
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 22 2010, 01:42 PM)
if you really shortlisted forte as part of your wife's future car.. i suggest you to wait at least until march 2011.
until then only know whether there will be facelifted forte coming into our shore.
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Sat in the Inspira the other day.. their seats are a bit too soft, especially the rear ones... sit till can feel something poking my arse...
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Hey I believe Inspira and Forte owner can mix together. Both are worth to buy and value for money. So don't bash each other. Instead, both owner can team up to counter bash T and H laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mutt @ Nov 24 2010, 10:30 AM)
Hey I believe Inspira and Forte owner can mix together. Both are worth to buy and value for money. So don't bash each other. Instead, both owner can team up to counter bash T and H laugh.gif
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 23 2010, 11:46 PM)
Honda now giving problems....dunno abt Toyota yet..
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Honda's issues started about 2 years ago already. Nothing new actually.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Nov 23 2010, 04:56 PM)
Yep..slowly but its changing.. cANT wait for the Optima, facelifted forte and the upcoming Avante!!

BTW from experience, Kia SC and aftersales under Naza is MUCH MUCH better then that of HONDA right now.
I have no idea WTF wrong with Honda nowadays.. damn cheapskate liar..
local CKD honda got so damn muh problem (accord)

maintainence policy also damn stupid...
even if service with Fully synth, next service must alo after 5,000 KM failure to do so will void warranty.. WTF HONDA..damn cheapskate
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Yes, 100% agree with u. just realise from my fren(civic owner) that Honda if use full syn also need to service in 5K interval! rclxub.gif


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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 23 2010, 04:52 PM)
See what Nissan did with their newly launched Teana. They priced the 2.0L about 7K cheaper than the Camry 2.0L. Do you think that will be enough to eat into the Camry sales? I seriously doubt that.

Hyundai made the same mistake with the Sonata and they paid the price for their foolishness. So now even though they are offering a RM 3,000 overtrade, its still not boosting sales that much. If anybody wants to challenge the Japs, it has to be done with much cheaper and better spec cars like the Kia Forte.
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+1 !

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sorry guys, i've been busy for past days.

i havent got a chance to visit the showroom for both inspira and forte. so have not decided to go for which car.

but with so many recommendation and comments, I guess my own gut feelings are going for Forte (future release with 6-gears), despite the voting results. But then again, have to test drive to see how comfort is the seat and driving leisure later.

Anyhow, i saw the Avante clip. Awesome. hope to see the real car in the PWCC expo later and decide if I can wait that long before getting a car.

so thanks again to all for your valuable inputs and sharing thoughts.
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TS made his choice on going Forte
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QUOTE(mutt @ Nov 24 2010, 10:30 AM)
Hey I believe Inspira and Forte owner can mix together. Both are worth to buy and value for money. So don't bash each other. Instead, both owner can team up to counter bash T and H laugh.gif
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i 100% agree...we're all car owners, of coz got good and bad for each brand...
there's no use of bashing, and comparing, it makes the situation worse..
forums are made to discussing issue, not for bashing and comparing, for what? the result ended up where?? i would say never ending story..
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 25 2010, 09:13 AM)
i 100% agree...we're all car owners, of coz got good and bad for each brand...
there's no use of bashing, and comparing, it makes the situation worse..
forums are made to discussing issue, not for bashing and comparing, for what? the result ended up where?? i would say never ending story..
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haha...i m a retired fanboy....step down from the main movie...
sry kevin23, can't b ur fanboy/basher partner anymore...
back to bcom a normal audience....pop corn pls?
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 23 2010, 04:48 PM)
Nope. Only in Malaysia do we have crap distributers and servicing agents. Thats the deciding factor here in Malaysia. Improve on that and i dont see why Hyundai - Kia cannot be No 1 in Malaysia too. The change of mentality will come in time. It wont happen overnight. Dont forget that over the past 15 years Malaysia has probably seen about 15 Kia and Hyundai models introduced with mostly average quality and after sales standards. You cannot aspect 1 Forte model to change that overnight. It needs more effort and persistence but Kia has already started. Its up to them to continue and persist with great cars and competitive pricing.
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If that's true. Shouldnt puegeot 308 distributed by naza is having the same fate. Which is the after sales service fr naza
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In fact, both are good cars ! However, it is true also Naza and Proton have almost same quality of service center. Both are not good indeed. For me, I opt for Inspira. I think if any problem and Proton cannot solve it, at least I can find for Mitsubishi SC and I have peace of mind.

For forte, there are too much of electronic stuff, I think Naza (at least for now) still have of good technician to solve it.

For resell value, not one can predict Forte, but, previous resell value of Korean car is terrible bad.

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