bro KFC, how would u rate the finesse of the engine of the 2.0 civic vs the forte's 2.0? in terms of power delivery and NVH level

omnimech, altis's handling is as bad as it can get honestly...i would agree if you said the forte's handling is weaker den a civic..but i doubt it will be worse den an altis..heck even a honda city (dugong version) handles better den a stock altis imho...i have had both hence i'm making this statement from my personal experience

btw, its the dugong idsi vs the 1.8G 2003 that i'm talking about...people say the new honda's suck in handling, but i don't feel so...seems alright to me ...i have only driven the new city a couple of times though...new altis no idea =)

This post has been edited by keagan: Nov 18 2010, 03:01 PM

haha..maybe dugong's wrong.. lor hon den..ahaha...the bubbly front IDSI.

bro i'm referring to the older one..the latest one i only sat in the 1.8E before the dual vvti came out...comfort and NVH was excellent...but handling...i doubt it will be much different coz it basically carried most of the things from the previous altis..maybe with revised suspension settings...

yeah one thing about toyota's are their highway cruising abilities are good...it doesn't wobble or shake much up to speeds 160 and above but the sampan feeling can be felt if the roads are uneven...but when it comes to bends and corners...body rolls and squats are all in one package.. that's the only complain i have about their suspension setups..good for normal driving but definitely not for spirited driving although the engine does deliver adequate power for its body =)

it can be corrected bro...i did a 4 point struts in front and the handling did improve =) was on 15 inch rims with stock suspension setup...i did play around with the springs and rims and the best was using the stock settings..yeah its wobbly when its stock standard..anything above 90 km/h gives me goosebumps..hahah

thanks for the reply bro..i'm actually on the same ship as the TS...but i have made the choice for a forte..and yes, its without the test drive of the 2.0 version..i'm definitely no fan boy of T but it has its merits..fan boy of H, hahah yeah i'm but it has its problems as well (noisy under carriage after a couple of years) the reason why i'm asking is coz i really don't know how well does a forte stand out as the car's still relatively new in the industry for Msia..

anyway, i made a trip to proton yesterday but yeah the 1.8E feels a bit too bare to my liking..i didn't ask for a test drive as the SA doesn't seem to even notice that i'm there...but as with CVT experience..i gotta say it really shines when it comes to climbing hills...heard of stories that people state the lancer's under powered and such...but i guess its plagued by the CVT, i won't say its a drawback, maybe its due to its smooth power delivery that causes the lack of 'kick' in it =)

haha! it happens on the altis too despite its bigger size...oh well..u can't have everything can you...

i was quite hesitant to participate in this 'discussion'...but yeah from what i can see...each car has its strengths and weaknesses...but one thing that i don't understand is that honda's engines are starting to get coarser by the gen...comparing the L15A to the current ivtec in the new city...it sounds louder...no idea why... that's my first impression when the car was just launched on the first day though...


did a test drive on the 2.0 civic..yes the car is another class of its own compared to the city...somehow i feel a forte's characteristics leans more towards of a H than a T...not to say its superior each over each other but it seems to lean towards that direction, that's what i felt during the test drives..

lol, but i guess everyone has their own view on each car...the jurisprudence of automotive tech? hahah...anyway, i'm picking up quite a lot esp on the torsion beam part..coming from a multilink from the EJ6 Civic to a H T-beam altis, i gotta say the civic handles better and feels more comfy ..

bro, are u saying the the jumping bumps part is where the suspension goes 'THUNK'? if you speed too quickly over it?

that's why i find it puzzling too...from my understanding sylphy doesn't have this problem too but sylphy has only 15" for its shoes lah..could it be the 3" more for the rims contributed to this? coz we never had lancers running on 15" except the previous one? and that one's on a 1.6 engine summore...

btw, what's the powerloss quoted for a lancer's cvt gbox? from my understanding i think for city's gbox it was around 12-16% compared to a normal 4AT..

they were on CVT, not sure now though..their CVT is a bit more 'canggih' while others uses belts, they actually used chains instead to deliver higher tolerance for it t-charging...correct me if i'm wrong though

http://www.ehow.com/facts_6969242_audi-cvt_.html

This post has been edited by keagan: Nov 18 2010, 03:38 PM

swt ur boss geng~ ahhaha

tht's quite a significant loss...i do wonder though, coz honda did have a history in its cvt by the name of multimatic or something like that which were used on the civics previously...but did mitsubishi have any experience in cvt boxes prior to this? coz i did read tht the cvt did have overheating issues too in the 2007-2008 models..

yeah i did see them stating so as the front bumper allows space for a fitting of a CVT cooler..but it seems that even for the days of the PV6, they have been fitting gearbox coolers as it leads to failures ...that was the trouble that most PV6 owners had..seems like mitsu gboxes run pretty hot

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Added on November 18, 2010, 5:27 pmala bro, fd2 cannot compare with a lancer...different types of monsters =p

This post has been edited by keagan: Nov 18 2010, 05:27 PM

even if they did own the cars, it doesn't mean they know it better than everyone else..this is what's called a discussion and sharing bro...besides, if everyone's to contribute to this, we will have a ever bigger picture of everything even though it may not always be relevant =) and yes i'm saying so because i'm jumping over from one brand to another...

btw, inspira owners...how many of them actually gotten the car already?

there's lesser power loss to the CVT gearbox coz it doesn't have a torque converter unlike conventional AT boxes...hence the CVT gbox is definitely giving better results here =)