because for all its impressive stats on paper, the engine don't really deliver compared to k20 series found in the regular FD2s...

Exactly, i really cant understand why ppl like to compare using on paper specs when in real life it doesnt deliver. Wats the purpose hving it on paper?

Just like forte 2.0 , on paper the Hp is higher than civic 2.0 but in real life, pick up is crap compared to civic. And civic engine is so much more smooth and refined.

dude, pls face the real life fact... even before the inspira launch, forte sales only around 10% of city+vios, wan they both die is impossible, both T&H hav solid base in malaysia, while naza? LOL...
now comes inspira, sad to say ur beloved forte facing a damn serious contender... dun believe? keep on monitor the sales figure...
like u said the 2011 model coming in, others also will hav new coming models... even 2011 avante damn cun compared to forte... 

sorry to say that you need more research before saying its the same...
citreon version is diff from toyota version as well
forte uses the newly patented version from hyundai go look at the patent and the explanations
then come back say if its the same as civic or toyota.

hyundai's coupled torsion beam has passive steer similar to citreon's and is mounted differently. the normal torsion beam doesn't have that.

in the end of the day, we can all see who gives opinion based on nuetral ground & who's a fanboi

back to the TS's topic, after considering all the pros & cons weighted against his requirement, TS, you should go with the inspira.

if all goes well, it will replace the standing of the old Wira & waja, where once not so long ago, the whole road is infested with them before endangered marine animal & tropical flowerhorn became the national car. with proton, the least you need to worry is spare part availability. the most you have to worry is the doors & windows failing on you. on the lancer, that should be quite unlikely...i hope.

i used to have a wira that i loved so much because i can find any parts anywhere. but same time it is very temperamental as it always wants me to keep finding parts since they will break down regularly. love hate relationship, like first love.

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different torsion beam because it is mounted differently. say....custom faded colors...anyone? 

its a honda euro type-R for crying out loud...
do u have any idea how much work honda, renault has put into the development to ensure that even with torsion beam, their car can really handles?
and check out their target market again for their car.... outright performance.... comfort is the last thing on their list...

and now compared it to bread and butter cars like forte, slyphy, vios, altis, saga etc...

-speechless-

So it makes all the arguments about torsion beams totally irrelevant. I don't have a desire to meet fate or to test my car to its limits.

Really if performance is that important go get yourself a real performance car.

To compare a Civic and Forte or even the Inspira is like little school boys comparing the length of their dicks. One little boy's d*** may be slightly longer than the others and it gives him the right to gloat about it but in reality there are bigger dicks in this world.

To imply that Forte fans feel that we need to justify our car just because your civics or hondas has a better handling misses the point. In real world the trick is to find which car has been packaged to give you the best value for money and without doubt the 1.8 Inspira is a very good bet.

thanks for the reply bro..i'm actually on the same ship as the TS...but i have made the choice for a forte..and yes, its without the test drive of the 2.0 version..i'm definitely no fan boy of T but it has its merits..fan boy of H, hahah yeah i'm but it has its problems as well (noisy under carriage after a couple of years) the reason why i'm asking is coz i really don't know how well does a forte stand out as the car's still relatively new in the industry for Msia..

anyway, i made a trip to proton yesterday but yeah the 1.8E feels a bit too bare to my liking..i didn't ask for a test drive as the SA doesn't seem to even notice that i'm there...but as with CVT experience..i gotta say it really shines when it comes to climbing hills...heard of stories that people state the lancer's under powered and such...but i guess its plagued by the CVT, i won't say its a drawback, maybe its due to its smooth power delivery that causes the lack of 'kick' in it =)

I thought Audi cars uses DSG gearboxes?

btw, what's the powerloss quoted for a lancer's cvt gbox? from my understanding i think for city's gbox it was around 12-16% compared to a normal 4AT..

tht's quite a significant loss...i do wonder though, coz honda did have a history in its cvt by the name of multimatic or something like that which were used on the civics previously...but did mitsubishi have any experience in cvt boxes prior to this? coz i did read tht the cvt did have overheating issues too in the 2007-2008 models..

I think they still do. It was a design issue. That could be fixed by installing a cooler.

According to proton, they identified this issue and fixed it in the inspira o_o

I understand if Inspira & Forte owner are doing debate here but what the hell is with those people that doesn't own the car? You come in bull about your Civic / Altis or whatsoever for what?

No one knows better than those owners out there. Just because you test drive it for 10 minutes doesn't mean you can give comment about it already.

Which highway can we drive consistently til reach 180-200km...   

Jz maintain 150 - 160 enough already.. more fuel saving   

you 'cruise' at 220-230kmh even if there are four person on board