hmmmm... Honda Euro Type-R using and had rav reviews ?

by the way its not the same as the cars u stated above.... u just assume so.

lets see renault and euro civic (non type r) uses t-beam all set for comfort bias also
so did citreon and others.... so what gives? bad for performance? nope the above statement says its capable to be tuned for track
bad for comfort? nope cause most comfort bias cars also use t-beam so whats wrong with it? 

not good enough???

take a showroom forte vs a showroom euro civic (non-R) this is fair comparison>?
but someone compared it to viva myvi etc would forte fair better or worst?
if Forte has a sport version to compare to euro civic type-r it'll be the Koup below....



SEMA Show: [B]Kia Forte Koup Type R Concept

Making its debut at this week's SEMA aftermarket show is Kia's Forte Koup Type R Concept model, which is said to be inspired by its racing siblings that take part in the GRAND-AM Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge.

The concept was developed by Kia's racing partner, Kinetic Motorsports, who built and campaigns the Forte Koup race cars. Performance upgrades are limited to a set of BBS RG 18-inch forged aluminum alloy wheels, race-inspired tires and suspension components, a short throw gaearshift and dampened composite fiber disc clutch.

On the styling front, the Koup Type R is finished in a dramatic looking gray color and comes with a widened body kit that includes front fenders, rocker panels and rear quarter panels.

Inside, the designers modified the interior with custom dressed seats and door panels, a new gear shift knob and carbon inlays.[/b]

Antilock Braking System (ABS)
Electronic Stability Control (ESC)
Traction Control System (TCS)

Suspension
Front McPherson Strut with coil spring, Shock Absorber – Gas (Mando)
Rear Coupled Torsion Beam Axle (CTBA), Shock Absorber – Gas (Mando) - (new patented version by Hyundai diff from normal torsion beam)

it has more HP then the civic lol...
basically the same engine as the 4b11 la..
weird ppl praise the lancer engine's but bash the forte's.
lol

So, have you already test drive both "showroom" unit yet? I bet you didn't, right? So don't just simply say which one is better while you haven't even touch the car body yet. Please put your statement with facts if not for me it just all "tahi kerbau"...

not so sure if they should bash the lancer for its engine. when i drove it, i felt the combi of engine & cvt is wrong. similarly, the forte with its engine & 4-speeder is wrong. so finally, i manage to sit inside the Sonata, that finally has a combi that makes more sense. the same engine family, mated with a 6-speeder. i could swear if the sonata was lighter (down to the forte/lancer weight) the experiance would be very spirited drive. but sadly, the sonata needs at least a 2.4 so i am left with only speculations on what is the best combi for the gema engine,

sorry to say that you need more research before saying its the same...
citreon version is diff from toyota version as well
forte uses the newly patented version from hyundai go look at the patent and the explanations
then come back say if its the same as civic or toyota.

hyundai's coupled torsion beam has passive steer similar to citreon's and is mounted differently. the normal torsion beam doesn't have that.

in the end of the day, we can all see who gives opinion based on nuetral ground & who's a fanboi

back to the TS's topic, after considering all the pros & cons weighted against his requirement, TS, you should go with the inspira.

if all goes well, it will replace the standing of the old Wira & waja, where once not so long ago, the whole road is infested with them before endangered marine animal & tropical flowerhorn became the national car. with proton, the least you need to worry is spare part availability. the most you have to worry is the doors & windows failing on you. on the lancer, that should be quite unlikely...i hope.

i used to have a wira that i loved so much because i can find any parts anywhere. but same time it is very temperamental as it always wants me to keep finding parts since they will break down regularly. love hate relationship, like first love.

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different torsion beam because it is mounted differently. say....custom faded colors...anyone? 

So it makes all the arguments about torsion beams totally irrelevant. I don't have a desire to meet fate or to test my car to its limits.

Really if performance is that important go get yourself a real performance car.

To compare a Civic and Forte or even the Inspira is like little school boys comparing the length of their dicks. One little boy's d*** may be slightly longer than the others and it gives him the right to gloat about it but in reality there are bigger dicks in this world.

To imply that Forte fans feel that we need to justify our car just because your civics or hondas has a better handling misses the point. In real world the trick is to find which car has been packaged to give you the best value for money and without doubt the 1.8 Inspira is a very good bet.

I don't argue with you about the handlings but I think that your suggestion here about "suffocated" is extreme. Are you trying to say that the Forte gives you motion sickness?

I have taken my family on long distance they never felt that the car gives them motion sickness. It is a balance between handling and comfort. I am sure no car manufacturer would deliberately put in a suspension system that is not safe.

kcng u are just trying to show i dam daring driver la nothing to do with the car la.... if u have balls even a kancil can get less balls driver. u dare to race with maddriver with his junk car then come back u can claim this victory. else u just wanna show off you have bigger balls nothing more.

Am not a technical person but just want to share below after tested drive the Inspira (personal opinions):

1) Inspira is lack of solid feeling compared to Forte, hence feeling not so secured when in high speed.
2) Handling wise, Inspira (by Lotus) is much better then Forte, cant deny that.
3) Interior, Forte is much more spacious and comfy.
4) Inspira's back seats are just too slumpy dont know can last for how long
5) Checked out the Inspira rear bumper right up to it rear tyres' - u will see double layers above rear tyres. When compared to a Lancer, apparently the finishing in Inspira is not complete (LOL)
6) Overall cost for ownership - Inspira is higher compared to Forte due to higher interest rate for national car.

P/s: Rumours: next batch of Inspira might be going for Campro engine. If you are fancy about the MIVEC engine, should book the first batch now.

you 'cruise' at 220-230kmh even if there are four person on board

the french wife gave proton it's rally winning s2000 engine.......

what
i've only cruised at 180
you're doing 230 leh

CVT dyno arent consistent if im not mistaken, as it is variable

Just wondering, for dynoing a CVT, which 'gears' that they use? (since its variable) MT usually 3rd while AT usually '2'.

Shouldn't the 'gears' selected should be as close as 1:1 ratio with the engine to get accurate result?