Nowadays, there are so many brand to choose for air-con...
e.g. LG, Electrolux, Haier, Bosch, Toshiba, Hitachi, Panasonic, Samsung, Sharp, York

Which brand do you recommend?
Preferably a durable and long lasting air-con... oh yeah, and also affordable...

Lets discuss...

This post has been edited by arthurlwf: Jul 26 2008, 11:34 PM

Why can't you type everything in a thread instead of creating multiple threads?

This is to allow forumer to zoom in to specific appliances...
imagine a thread contains 10+ appliances, it would take a hell of his/her time to read everything, when he/she only wants to know one appliances only.... save forumer time to read thread

Not, it is the other way round, it makes the whole thread become like junk.

@arthurlwf,
You've oredi confused urself - U asked about aircond and then ask recommendation for fridges

Anyhow, I been using Panasonic airconditioners for the longest time *grins*

This post has been edited by tinkerbel: Jul 26 2008, 10:54 AM

So many threads.

You expect others to respond when they are a bit peeved with that?

come on.. this thread got nothing to do with property ..., u should combine all your questions if you want to ask in this thread

Thanks for your eagle eye.

Is Panasonic brand good???

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Added on July 26, 2008, 11:42 pmInstead of complain, why not you either provide solution on where to post or provide air-con input?

Is there a problem on many threads which relates to different appliances?

Should forumer combine all property places into one thread?

This post has been edited by arthurlwf: Jul 26 2008, 11:42 PM

@arthurlwf,
I wouldn't say it's no good cause I've been using it like forever [oK.. before that, it was National *grins*].

I think the complaints are pretty valid; there's no need to split the different appliances into so many different topics; perhaps U could categorise it - that would be easier for others to reference *shrugs*

You still don't get it?

Nevermind then.

PS
I think this sort of posts which are not related to property as in investment should be better served in kopitiam Q&A

This post has been edited by joe_mamak: Jul 27 2008, 02:02 AM

anyway, i would recommend panasonic inverter. very quiet and economical.

Go with York.

york for reliability.

but i did bought one a/c. MIDEA brand. quite good and quite cheap

just my 2 cents

@pr1me,
MIDEA?! I've never heard of it - is it still functioning?

Does it really save electricity bill by 50%?

just curious ... how many HP we need for living room? 1.5 HP or 1HP enough?

i think Panasonic not bad lar ....

Heard LG making a lot of noise ... and same goes to samsung ... not sure how true ... but i am a person who looking for Aircond as well ...

@jootat,
Depends on how big the living room is; normally 1HP won't be sufficient - perhaps 2HP. And whatever U do, don't bother with those ceiling units; get the usual 'split' units

Go for 1.5Hp with a ceiling fan. It would do a wonderful job. 1.5->2hp normally involve a substantial jump in price but not 1.0->1.5hp.

For air-cond, go for Panasonic. Through my experience, it is the best reliable brand.

@Justmua,
I suppose if the living hall isn't too big or too open, 1.5HP is good enough - also depends on whether U like it cold or colder. My dad likes it coldest!! *muAHahAHhaHAha* He's got like 3 or 3.5HP in his room! *gulp*

Panasonic,York,LG...average and the most u can see elsewhere...

ok ... i think i go for 1.5 enough ... even though my living room is quite big coz it will be a huge open space for living room + dining room.
but i prefer moderate coolness ... dont have to be the coldest ... hahaa ...

so far i hardly see the price for 1.5/2.0 HP panasonic ... anyone have any idea?
or probably we can list down the price list for every model + specification + their price here?
it will be a very good info to share though ...

@jootat,
1.5HP is probably just sufficient but if U haf a lot of people over, U probably will feel the heat so best to get a 2HP if U asked me *grins*

how much is 2HP? any idea? probably more than 2K already right?

@jootat,
That I'm not sure but i do think it could be slightly over RM2k *shrugs* I left the fixing of the air conditioners to mom and dad when we shifted. I was onli responsible for monetary contribution to either the curtains and/or air conditioner up to max of RM30k *gulp*

This post has been edited by tinkerbel: Jul 28 2008, 10:16 PM

for 2hp...is 2k++....

To find out whether a 1.5hp will be sufficient, here is a link to calculate the which aircon capacity is right for the size of the room:
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=room..._properly_sized

One other thing about an underpowered aircon. If the aircon is underpowered, one might need to turn it on to maximum fan speed in order to cool the room. Hence, it's going to be noisy.

Might be annoying if you're watching a movie, listening to music, etc. Then again, you can turn up the volume of the TV/hi-fi.

my idea are 2.0 or 2.5hp...get the bigger/coolest rather that small....when u living are crowded,u dun feel anything one..

@hanif444,
Yeah that's right - also, if it's too cold just increase the temperature. If after U've bought and installed the unit, U won't be able to do anything if U find it not cold enough.

yalor..if u fix a 1.5 or 2.0..simply say it not enough for landed property house...condo living room maybe okok only...
my sister condo with 2.0hp,when she on it..she will go ard her house close door tight then can feel after 1 hour later...

@hanif444,
Like I said in my 1st reply it really depends on how big the area is. I use a 1.5HP in my bedroom. I like it cold but most people cannot take it; and yes I still use the blanket!

If not cold enough, add a ceiling fan lohhhh. Still not enough add another stand 22" fan lorrr

PANASONIC inverter very energy saving nad SHARP is good also. My house consist of 3 Sharps and 3 panasonics

@Jaroque,
Energy saving is good; how much is this Panasonic Inverter?!

6 a/c?...must be semi d or bungalow..

Just to add that the Panasonic Inverter models are using R410A refrigerant/gas. R410A is more expensive to install but its environmental friendly.

Know Your Air Con: R22 and R410A

As far as I know, Daikin models in Malaysia are still using the older R22 refrigerant. Which means about the same installation cost as normal non-inverter models.

You are such a dear daughter. Keep it up!!

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Added on July 31, 2008, 2:15 pmThe Inverter type is quite a bit more expensive. Maintainance wise, also higher due to the green refrigerant. I suspect that the payback period (vs. conventional type) is more than 5 years....

Inverter type should also not be used in an open area like living room 'cos your savings is negligible.


This post has been edited by Justmua: Jul 31 2008, 02:15 PM

Mitsubishi also a reliable brand...
What we need is the service after we purchase the air-con, i heard ppl said Panasonic customer service is very bad.

Mitsubishi ionizer 2 HP RM 2150 (installation included)
Mitsubishi ionizer 1 HP RM 1300 (installation included)

@Justmua,
I'm not looking to shift anytime soon so will do research on air-conditioners onli when the time comes *grins* Perhaps then I should look U up

Generally, you don't deal with the manufacturer directly, but rather with the dealer/installer of the aircond.

Also, most customer service in Malaysia is poor, simply because they are a cost centre and organizations don't allocate big budget for them. They would rather spend on marketing activities to attract potential customers.

Depending on you air cond usage, most service can be DIY and the most common tasks would be to clean the air filters and blower fan. If you are a keen DIY person, you may want to consider getting airconds with easy access to the blower fan. Next level of service would be to wash off the dirt in the evaporator & condensing coils. This would normally be done by your favourite air-cond service guy and this is also more expensive if you use the Panasonic Inverter type as gas would need to be refilled.



This post has been edited by Justmua: Aug 3 2008, 11:13 AM

new price up 8-10% already...

Rm1.5k++ for 1hp

fuyoh.. manyak mahal.. for rm1.5k can get a decent 1.5hp aircond already.

Panasonic, & York is my choice. Sure you will agree

Take note on Panasonic Inverter models.

The compressor is 5 years warranty, but the inverter unit only 1 year warranty.

The inverter unit is actually a IC module at the outdoor unit, cost RM600+ to replace.

any brand is good also...but not Haier lo

You have to put in your mind, inverter can reduces energy consumption up to 50% Its good for long term

so expensive ??

i just asked around last sat in S'ban..

Panasonic inverter 1.0hp is RM 1399 inclusive installation.

1.5hp is RM 1799 inclusive instalation..

How u all find this ??

u got a great offer..

Hi.

I just bought the Panasonic Aircond Model:CSS10HKH at the

Harvey Norman. The aircond comes with the inverter

which it got 5 cables wyre and 2 pipes for the installation.

I just asked the technician and he told me that it is slightly

fussy to install the inverter aircond. Anyone knows a friends who

can get the price for below RM199 for the installation + gas +

warranty + bracket to hold the compressor outdoor..?

Preferable experienced technician/installer.

Doesn't HN provide the installation service? Where's your location?

hah? HN? what is that? Im in sunway.

HN = Harvey Norman

an electrician from a local electronics shop said it is a bit difficult to install inverter airconds. it costs RM350 (according to them) to install. manyak mahal la.

yesterday went to HLK Batu 11, Cheras

ask for price....
York, LG and LG Art Cool (this one seems really cool)...

looking for 1.5hp and 2.5hp
York and LG pretty similar in terms of price
but for Art Cool....wow...need topup a lot to get one unit of same hp....

anyone ever used Art Cool....?

Hahaha.. HN technician asked for RM250 for installation in Ikano and RM285

Sunway Pyramid HN.

I just kautim with one of this guy who working for SengQ, he gave to me for

RM150 for everything. Cheap rite?

I can get only RM1199 excluding installation.

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Added on August 18, 2008, 10:06 amI saw it in Ikea. there's a lot of that model.

cantik but crap according to my fwen who

is working in SenQ. He told me a lot of his

customers complaining regard the compressor.

some of the forumers told me this is his 2nd time

that he had changed the compressor.

This post has been edited by -Mogwai-: Aug 18 2008, 10:06 AM

good info there....

so perhaps i'll go with York....
but the pattern....errr...

york is around RM950++ for the unit

but dont have the inverter. For a long term

usage i prefer u to buy air cond + inverter

bcoz ur electricity usage will more cheaper

disparity to york. The cheapest for inverter is

RM1.1k for Panasonic.

Besides, i'd read the review of the usage of the

electricity using the inverter and not.

On the air cond all the time for 8 days:

without Inverter= RM58.00

with Inverter= RM26.00

BUT,

if you only use for, say 8hrs/day.. how much can u save if u use inverter aircond compared to non-inverter aircond?

hmm ... Sikit-Sikit lama-lama jadi bukit ... lol

haha.. for long term usage should be okay la.

In addition u just install once in a life, unless

u r dem rich.

for me....

at most....at night for weekdays....
and weekend...perhaps if too hot....
if not....ceiling fan will do..
so i dun think the cost effective theory will be that relevant to me....
some more compared to maintenance charge for Panasonic which i know is double the cost for maintenance charge of other brand without inverter

mine using inverter, even set the temp

at 30 cels, still cold at nite. haha

then seems like u don't need an air-cond
coz the standard room temperature is 30 cels....hehehe

shud get fan only then....hehehe

8 days x 24 hours = 192 hours

so if above data is correct, then you have a saving of Rm 32 with inverter

so Rm32/192, 1 hour you save 17 cents compared to non inverter.

So if the gap of pricing of inverter and non-inverter air-cond is Rm200, (200/0.17) you need to use 1176 hours to breakeven before one can say inverter is starting to save you the money.

So if usage is low, you take up to 1-2 years to have a breakeven point before start to save.

So inverter air-cond is very much ideal for those heavy usage one. For low usage like 1-2 hours average per day, it has not much effect.

yup...
thats y i'm planning to go for non-inverter one

sure or not 30 cels, set at 30 cels is like setting heater temp ler because normally at night the room temp is lower than that.

haha.. basically i set around 28 cels.

My electrician will be installing my air-con soon and he is asking me where I wanted to install my air-con outdoor unit. Basically there are space to install the air-con outdoor unit above and below the windows (I am referring to the 1st floor of my link house). Is there any differences where the outdoor unit is placed? I now have 2 options:

1. Place the outdoor unit directly behind the indoor unit (back to back), in which the outdoor unit will be placed above the window.

2. Place the outdoor unit below the window, in which the copper piping will be pulled up to the location of the indoor unit (conceal piping).

I looked around my neighborhood and most of them chose to install the outdoor unit below the window. But then there are few who installed above the window as well.

Either condition also the contractor charging me for the same amount. So, fellow forumers, please help to advice.

Just now when I google around I found out that there is actually a minimum piping length requirement between the indoor unit and outdoor unit. The min distance is like 4ft+. So standard back to back installation (above window) will fail this criteria. I am not sure nowadays the aircon contractor actually installing the aircon back to back for the really good sake of the aircon or for the good sake of himself (less copper piping to use and less work to do)

do u mean ur 1st floor=ground floor?

ALERT!!!!

ALERT!!!!!

dun be surprise if you purchase air-cond tomorrow or even this afternoon at higher price.....
they have applied the new price...
right after 12.00pm just now.....

unless for shop who are willing to negotiate and give their old stock at old price...

Oh, aircond prices actually went up? It's been steadily going down for as long as I can remember, just like computer or other electrical appliance's prices.

I'd got for Jap brand airconds. Korean ones are still problematic according to my electrical appliances repair man. If u use a lot, spend more on an inverter type, it'll pay back for its own higher purchase price. Electricity rates can probably only go up in the future.

Panasonic inverter airconds need special, bigger and thicker copper coils, while Daikin inverter airconds don't. But Panasonic CLAIMS theirs can save up to 50% electricity consumption while Daikin only claims around 30~40%.

what is the price for Daikin's air-cond?
say 1.0HP....or 1.5HP....?

Please note that most inverter model air-con uses R410A refrigerant, which is environmental friendly. It won't cost any harm to the Ozone layers. The R22 refrigerant is harming the Ozone.

Well, I know the talk of environmental friendly is not relevant to some but it sure concern me. That's the other reason why I choose the inverter model besides its cost effectiveness. I am not trying to be a saint, but this is to preserve the planet, which your future generations are still going to live in. If everyone just doesn't care, then God bless the earth.

The best aircond brand is Sanyo and Panasonic. Panasonic is sometimes quite expensive and Sanyo is quite hard to find.

finally....
as i was away to my wife's hometown in Sg Besar, Selangor...
i realised that i've got one regular electrical shop there...

n lucky for me...
grabbed 3 units of 1.5HP York air-cond at old price...
with 3 table fans free....
good bargain.....

hmm...how much u got that 1.5hp york? mind sharing abit haha...

RM1080
old price....
as similar as per most authorised distributor recommended by York HQ in PJ....i mean for the old price

omg thats a good price...lucky u

i ask my plc..
pana 1.0hp=1.3k
1.5hp=1.6k

both price included installation....worth mah?

bro....

that RM1080 is for air-con only...
not inclusive of installation...
coz mine...everything related to installation is done by my renovation contractor.....

if i'm not mistaken...
if include installation...
it shud be somewhere around RM1.2k
but still....
even though we got that price...
the actual cost will depends on the location of ur air-con to be installed at you hall or room...
the further it is from the compressor's location...
the more the copper cable needed...
and the cost will increase for sure...

i think your RM1.3k is inclusive of 10ft copper cable only...
which means that distance from ur air-con unit and compressor is max 10ft
if more than that...they will charge u per additional ft required....

gd luck

You should have gotten 3 Acson + 3 table fans with Rm 150 cheaper. York and Acson are exactly same air-cond made by OYL (now belongs to Daikin) but OYL pay York Rm 50 each for brand loyalty. If you want to buy York, you should get Acson for cheaper price.

HEY guys, I just bought the 1.5hp YORK today at RM1,200 inclusive installation & a YORK table fan. Ok or not ??
For the unit with refreshener feature, it is about RM1,400.

Panasonic air-cons lasts forever if you service it every 2-3 years .... my parents have one that's 15 years and still running without problems.

Where did you buy your aircond? Location and name of the shop?
I plan to buy one very soon.

I will buy Panasonic or York. Dont buy china brand like those sold in carefour . I cant remember what china brand I bought last year, I think Jitronic...that aircond cheap about rm 599 but when my electric bill come ^*&^*&^%^&%&*&^...damn makan electric....
Think carefully , long term is the electricity bill that counts

good deal actually for new price season....!
congrats!
do recommend the shop to others....
hope will benefit others as well...

thanks for that kind useful idea that you have shared to us

Fanimation

hmm but i heard my parents said panasonic air cond still the best one wo

anyone here knows of any dealers selling air conds? maybe can buy cheap from them ..

how is homedec offer , anyone?

mitsubishi i bought.... mr.slim... last for years! had one in my parents house.... 10 years + still functioning... of course with maintenence la...

masterbed room at least 1.5HP. living room 2HP is best. other smaller rooms 1HP ngam.

panasonic inverter installation cost a bomb.... but in actual fact do u save in the long run i dunno... cause i dont on my aircond always. only very hot nights....

REPOST

Yesterday's discussion all gone...

All 7 units I bought that consist of 2Hp, 1.5 and 1.0 are not as cold as other brands such as York or Acson.


zzz

This post has been edited by jack2: Feb 25 2009, 02:46 PM

York / Acson / Carrier are d main player for this industry........

since its aircond discussion any1 tried york j series or shud i opt for pana envio? envio design look better to me:P which is more reputable brand?

I am using York "Cooling King" model, 1HP in my room and my parents are using the 1.5HP Hitachi.
Personally I chose the Hitachi cause it was rather high in their cooling BTU unit and it does a good job in cooling down the big master bedroom in 10mins.

My York is rather powerful too, but only thing I have to comment is the fan at lowest speed is not as Whisper quiet, as Hitachi.

sleepking, the1that you using is the cooling king J-series? how much did you pay for it?

Umm, I dont know whether it's J-series.Have a look at the picture.


It was around RM 1K back years ago.
Model number: YWM10G-AMIAA
Cooling Capacity: 10,000 BTU

The outdoor compressor is rather compact in size.

I'll have a peek at the Hitachi later.

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Feb 25 2009, 10:10 PM

the model number looks like it ywm10g but i am not sure the last 5 alphabet. but the casing doesnt look like it. maybe now is new casing already. i went and ask for the J series its around rm1.1k.

damn. i bought all hitachi coz i heard btu is high.