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ozak
post May 26 2009, 11:16 AM

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I m using panasonic envio 1.5hp inverter. It need bigger piping and CFC free gas. But no probelm for me since it has an advantage. It comfirm save my electrical bill. Before that using panasonic 1hp and average RM90+ - RM100+ electrical bill. Now average RM60+ - RM70+.
For max save, you much set it everything in auto and cold it at 25c. Colder outside weather will save more.

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post Jun 1 2009, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(tryifelsecatch @ May 29 2009, 11:21 PM)
no no, i am not buying from him. i am looking for installer. and he said inverter one is outdated soon, should not buy inverter one. he said everything expensive, installation, gas refill, clean, spare part... sigh..
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Becarefull to find a proper installer. If he don't have knowledge or experience in inverter aircon, endup your aircon not saving.
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post Jun 2 2009, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(mazizi99 @ Jun 2 2009, 09:46 AM)
Guys..do u know about this..

refrigerant gas phase out (January 1995 to 2010)

• Phase out of R22 in refrigeration and air conditioning system's approaches-

After 1 January 2010 no more virgin refrigerant R22 can be used in existing systems.

After 2015 no more recycled refrigerant R22 can be used in existing systems.

here the links
http://www.orionair.co.uk/gas%20regulations.htm

Already buy Daikin that use this gas..hmm..
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That is suprise me when the aircon installer told me inverter type need CFC free gas. I thaught all the aircon is using cfc free gas. Thaught the harm gas already phase out in the late 90's. Now I makesure all gas must cfc free gas before they can pump in.
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post Jun 11 2009, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(naleh33 @ Jun 11 2009, 10:46 AM)
Hi,

One of the electrical shop in Serdang, Weng Ho is offering me the Daikin Inverter 1HP (RM1300) including installation and Daikin Inverter 1.5HP (RM1530). Is it a good price?
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Buying aircon not judge by the price. You need to measure your room and get the correct HP. If your aircon cannot cool down your room because of under power, don't blame on the brand. Most of the people don't consider this. End up, not cool and electrical consumption high.


Added on June 11, 2009, 3:00 pm
QUOTE(naleh33 @ Jun 11 2009, 12:47 PM)
Installation fees is RM400!!! That is very expensive but looking at the tasks that you have listed make sense as well. However, for my case, I have done all the conceal piping. They will need to install the air-con probably check the piping with a vacumm pump.

However, thank you for your information, I will take note.
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RM400 not high lor. My aircon installation cost me rm700. Installation consist of.
1) conseal all the wiring and piping. No ugly pipng and wiring hanging around.
2) Outdoor unit must place at the water tank area which is ontop of my house. So extra long piping and work.
Took him whole day to install and next day to plaster the wall. I think the installer angry with me. Cause I don't want follow his way. He....


Added on June 11, 2009, 3:19 pm
QUOTE(tiger1986sg @ Jun 11 2009, 12:19 PM)
Install a surge protector to protect your inverter aircon + your entire house. The circuit board is expensive but it is very reliable as long as it is not abused. Don't install your outdoor unit in a cramp location. The circuit board is located in the outdoor unit and requires adequate cooling.

Surge protector is now installed in my house main switch. Previously about 4 computers and a modem were fried by lightning. Thank God my aircon is fine.
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Electrical thing is not easy to fried by lightning. Unless direct strike. But not electronic thing which is more sensitive. A good grounding will reduce this problem.

Teach you a way that you can insure your equipment event without warranty or warranty expired. Get a Belkin surge protector. But makesure don't overload it. Belkin sp come with equipment insurance from RM5000 to RM20000. If your thing get fried, and belkin sp cannot protect, go and claim from them. Maybe you are lucky to get a LCD tv when your old crt TV get fried. thumbup.gif


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post Jun 11 2009, 11:21 PM

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Standard installation is 4ft piping, ozone killing gas, bracket and manpower. Others need extra pay.
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post Jun 30 2009, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(ronn77 @ Jun 29 2009, 11:14 PM)
guys..I'm looking to purchase totalled 7 units for my new house.
any good offers here?

Panasonic Envio 1.0 Inverter
Hitachi 1.0 Inverter
Hitachi 1.5 Inverter

I got some offer fm Puchong electrical shops but would like to know if there's any better offer here. I just need the units as my wiring man will do the rest of the jobs including piping, fixing and concealing.
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Try jintex.com. I go whole puchong electrical main shop but can't get as cheap as this online shop. Brought the washing machine.


Added on June 30, 2009, 4:25 pm
QUOTE(JayC75 @ Jun 30 2009, 03:35 PM)
my aircon the indoor unit this few day got water dripping out, does it mean it's time for me to do chemical cleaning of the air con??

don know why my masterbed room air con need so frequent service, 1 yrs once...
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Your water drain pipe clog. Cause by the dust. Maybe your room very dusty and never seal properly. Or you didn't clean the air filter regulary. (every 2week.)


Added on June 30, 2009, 4:29 pm
QUOTE(kee1 @ Jun 30 2009, 03:46 PM)
dear ronn

try Legend in OKR tel 79838022
good price - Panasonic 1HP (w/o inverter ) include installation - RM950
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Check it out here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1060911

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post Jun 30 2009, 09:35 PM

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That would be difficult. Unless you know how to take out the cover. The water collector is at the below back of the evaporator. The drainage hole either is left or right hand.
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post Jun 30 2009, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(ronn77 @ Jun 30 2009, 10:56 PM)
ozak,
is the website correct?
cause it seems the website is selling fabrics and not egoods...
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Sorry. blush.gif http://jintexelectronics.com
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post Jun 30 2009, 11:40 PM

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Maybe you can email to jintex and see got better deal. I brought the item not list in their website. I email to him and a good price.
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post Jul 1 2009, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(KKW @ Jul 1 2009, 12:19 AM)
erm bro.. does jintex's air-cond price include installation in the website?
hi ronn.. which shop give u best price in puchong ?
I'm planning buying 1hp or 1.5hp daikin inverter a/c  smile.gif
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I m not sure. I didn't buy aircon from them. Email to him.
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post Aug 14 2009, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(KKW @ Aug 14 2009, 09:17 PM)
Oh.. icic..
As I know York is a very good brand, reliable, price is reasonable, and after sales service is very good.. biggrin.gif
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Are you sure? Have you been using york before? My office using 2unit 3hp york aircon. Noisy. sad.gif Got 1 unit new straight away the fan give noisy sound after instal. Ask the technician fix it. He said is like that one. shocking.gif


Added on August 14, 2009, 9:56 pm
QUOTE(PJusa @ Aug 14 2009, 08:55 PM)
mzms,

great guide and very true. EER is the key. i used to use carrier only cause they had the highest EER. now switching one by one to inverter cause they run 24/7 ar 28°. very comfy actually and this does save a lot money. in general cooling the room moderately saves a lot and you tend to freeze less too wink.gif
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If I not mistaken, the carrier EER rotary comp is from panasonic. whistling.gif

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post Aug 15 2009, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(mzms @ Aug 15 2009, 06:48 AM)

Added on August 15, 2009, 7:25 amjust want to share two more feedback from friends using sharp, lg, panasonic and haier.
friend A:
use Sharp at rented place as well as own home. first sharp no problems until 3 years, then leaking problems. then capacitor blown and blow warm air. then change to panasonic, 3 years so far no problem. own home using haier 2 units, both problematic and always break down. change to sharp, in 1 year already problem so change to LG, so far 2 years no problem. at parent's place use haier, not cold at all.

friend b
using haier for 6 years only serviced once, very cold and no problems at all.

so conclusion is... buying aircond like proton car lor... u lucky u get good one u not lucky u get bad apple, hahaha. i think car aircond more reliable hahaha.
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My first aircon is panasonic 1hp. Use around around 8yrs. No problem. I service by myself. But I change it to bigger HP. Use back panasonic cause it more reliable. icon_rolleyes.gif Others is hitachi, mitsubishi, sanyo.
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post Aug 15 2009, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(KKW @ Aug 15 2009, 12:13 PM)
remaind me of my Sanyo a/c last time..
my parent use that a/c for almost 21years.. biggrin.gif
no problem at all and it still cool..
my father service the a/c himself..
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That why I choose back the panasonic. No reason for me to change others brand. thumbup.gif Time will tell.
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post Aug 15 2009, 11:15 PM

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Oh Hi puchong lang. rclxms.gif I m staying in puchong too. He.... If you guys need more info about puchong, you can go to kopitiam/puchong thread. You all wellcome there. rclxms.gif

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post May 16 2010, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(Greenyz @ May 16 2010, 02:38 PM)
My contractor told me my new house aircond piping is the normal one , hence cant go for inverter type.If really keen on inverter need to hack the wall again and redo the piping.
Such case is common ka ??I tought the inverter is using same piping system, only installation cost different with inverter type more ..can anyone confirm this ??
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You need to change the pipe.

Last time I change from normal to inverter type and change the whole pipe with wall hacking. It cost me more as the pipe lenght is more than 10feet.
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post Jul 29 2010, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(fx_53_xt @ Jul 29 2010, 12:24 PM)
I am looking forward to install an air conditioning unit. the more shop i asked, the more confused i get. Currently i have these 3 brands in mind :

1) Panasonic
2) Mitsubishi
3) Daikin

Shop A says : Panasonic nowadays made in China, not really reliable anymore. And Panasonic inverter is not as useful as advertised, the energy saving is minimal compare to other brand's inverter. Daikin is the best, he can guarantee minimum 30% reduction on bill with daikin. Furthermore Daikin inverter model uses cheap R22 gas. Other alll use R410 which is expensive

Shop B : Mitsubishi is the best, but mitsubishi parts and servicing is very expensive. The best price to performance ratio is Panasonic.
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Maybe the sales guy is misleading. Any brand is made in china if not all the parts. Panasonic still have aircon factory here. It depend what model it produce here.

Saving is depend on how you use the aircon. If I set the temperature to 16deg and full blow speed, can he guarantee me of reduction bill 30%? I m using inverter panasonic. My bill can reduce more than 40% compare to my old non inverter aircon. I ve been using for 3yrs.

R22 is a ozone depleting gas. And it going to phasing out. Most of the first world country already stop using. I m suprise that it still using here when the installer told me. I thaught this gas phase out since 90's. But as usual, if go green it is expensive. Are you money consent or green consent?

If the gov want phase out the gas another 2yrs, will you change the aircon after 2yrs?


Added on July 29, 2010, 6:05 pm
QUOTE(cam40729 @ Jul 29 2010, 12:37 PM)
inverter type is not suitable not everyone, especially for those only use the air conditioner once in awhile.

inverter type will only function well and save electric if you use it for long hours in a closed space, means no cold air going out of your room via windows or doors
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Inverter is the future. Slowly it will replace the normal type.

It save your money some how no matter short or long use. Don't tell me just using for 1hr everyday. hmm.gif

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post Sep 3 2010, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Sep 3 2010, 08:54 AM)
I really think is a bit ridiculous to keep aircond temp at 25. Why want to have aircond then.
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Than are you setting the lowest and cover with blanket when sleep? hmm.gif
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post Sep 6 2010, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Sep 6 2010, 01:06 PM)
Just a question, how long can aircond piping be? Forthe  living room I don't like the outdoor compressor to be visible on the car porch so i thought i put it at the backyard instead. However i think the distance quite far away, so I was wondering whether thereare any limit for it.
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I too don't like to put the outdoor unit infront of the house. It cost the nice house design ugly and eye sore. Somemore can see those ugly piping.

I put the outdoor unit ontop middle of my home. It is a outside water tank area. Complete hideout from any outside view. I paid extra rm400 for the piping. The distance piping is still between the aircon spec which did state in the manual. Check the manual for max piping can extend.

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post Sep 20 2010, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 20 2010, 07:38 AM)
At what temp should we set it at then, and why?
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25c is base on the international R&D for human comfort temperature zone. Pls google.

20c is for measurement standard temperature.

Even if you set your aircon to 25C, you don't get 25c in your room. Get a thermometer to check. You only get about 26c-27c. Depend on which corner of your room measure and the aircon blowing.
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post Oct 20 2010, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(vinothrao84 @ Oct 20 2010, 03:36 PM)
is there any effect if they do looping from the existing 3-pin plug point?
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You cannot use the 3pin plug for other thing. If the looping to the higher HP aircon. Otherwise you will trip the breaker. Makesure the wire joining is secure.


Added on October 20, 2010, 11:43 pm
QUOTE(cwhong @ Oct 11 2010, 12:03 AM)
recomended 12months cycles to service the a/c. gas refill not neccessarily coz no leaking no refill beware to be CON!! normally wash chemical (detached the blower and outdoor units), charges ranges from RM 120-RM 150 of course depend to the type of the a/c and the total unit (s) have to service. the price reference is for household use split a/c units. comercial i dunno how they charge.  hmm.gif
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Is that expensive now servicing price? My office 3 set aircon service cost RM75each. My home aircon service cost RM80. All split type range from 1.5hp to 3hp.

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