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post Sep 5 2016, 10:35 AM, updated 10y ago

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn. Bhd. ("iFAST Capital").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
- To offer investment advisory services
- To deal in Private Retirement Scheme

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).

iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST Malaysia Sdn. Bhd., which is wholly owned by iFAST Corporation Ltd. ("iFAST Corporation"). iFAST Corporation is headquartered in Singapore and the iFAST group of companies are also present in Hong Kong, Malaysia and China. The company was incorporated in Singapore on 10 January 2000.

iFAST Corporation was listed on the Singapore Exchange Mainboard in December 2014.

iFAST Corporation, via its wholly owned subsidiary iFAST Financial Pte. Ltd., is Singapore's leading online distributor of unit trusts as well as the leading operator of an investment platform for financial advisers and financial institutions. It carries the Capital Markets Services (CMS) and Financial Adviser (FA) licences issued by the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS), and is also one of three appointed Central Provident Board (CPF) Investment Administrators.

One of iFAST Corporation's shareholders is SPH AsiaOne Ltd, the Internet arm of Singapore Press Holdings, which is Singapore's largest media group. In recent years, iFAST Corporation has been expanding beyond local shores. In 2007, iFAST Corporation launched its first overseas business, Fundsupermart in Hong Kong and in 2008, it launched Fundsupermart in Malaysia. iFAST Corporation launched its office in China in 2014.



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1. Wide range of information
2. Extensive product range and value-added services
3. One of the cheapest Sales Charges in town! thumbup.gif


To keep discussions at this thread fruitful and constructive, it would be greatly appreciated that fellow investors try to look for answer to their queries at Frequently Asked Questions before posting here. icon_rolleyes.gif

And FSM has a very helpful LIVE Customer Service, MAKE FULL USE OF THEM. Look for this at FSM home page:
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What is unit trust?
Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia - ABC of Unit Trusts

Other FAQs on Fundsupermart.com and unit trust investing in general

1. NAV pricing and processing time
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2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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FSM Idea Of The Week: Unit Split and High Fund Price Misconceptions [24 October 2014]
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Investors should not judge if a unit trust is cheap or expensive based on its unit trust price or NAV. Instead, they should focus on the valuations (PE ratios) of the underlying equity markets that the unit trust invests in.


3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

(i) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(ii) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

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(iii) Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
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(iv) Distribution = Income
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Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 11:19 PM)
Then what's the point of dividend distribution since units and NAV price has negative correlation?
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4. Annual Management Charge, Trustee Fee and NAV pricing
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5. Return On Investment (ROI) vs Annualised Return, similar to Internal Rate of Return (IRR)
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Important link to v8 - The MS Excel Masterclass version!

Download here >>> Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation

Download here >>> polarzbearz's Portfolio Summary with Pinky's IRR Calculation (and here for Polarzbearz's FSM-to-Spreadsheet Conversion Tool)
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Make sure you read the instructions as many of the cells have formula in it. You can freely modify, update, or change it to suit your needs (and even share with others if you don't mind tongue.gif )

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 9 2015, 10:10 AM)
My personal experience in investing in unit trusts:-

1.   We invest in unit trusts using spare cash. We have back up emergency funds of at least 3-6 months. No bad debts e.g. credit card debts.

2.   Long term investment horizon of at least 2-3 years. This will even out the market fluctuation.

3.   We cannot time the market. Therefore we have to do DCA or VCA and do portfolio rebalancing from time to time.

If we cannot satisfy the above requirements, it is best to stay away from unit trust investments or any other investments for that matter. Unit trust investments is not a capital guaranteed get rich quick scheme. There are risks involved.
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I am not a UT agent, nor am I employed by FSM. All my comments here are posted in good faith and with the intention to share knowledge. I am not to be held liable for any losses that may be incurred as a result of following any advice/opinion shared here. I believe the same should be applicable for any other LYN members posting here.
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Continue from ver 14
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3892713/+2760
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just checking in....

some thing interesting in this thread...
RHB ATR....good buy?
page 16, post 301
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4047177/+300#entry81664156



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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 3 2016, 06:15 PM)
Y no one discuss Rhb Bond Fund or Rhb Islamic Bond Fund as their returns is decent?
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Sep 3 2016, 08:06 PM)
I am a bit late, one lump sum in March, then another lump sum in June.
Now stop buying because the fund size increased exponentially from RM40mil in March 2016 to around RM130mil++ in Jul 2016, a dramatic increment.

As a result, the cash holding enlarged to > 30%, when the cash holding is large, it will affect the fund performance.
The fund managers do not invest fast enough to keep the cash holding low,
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Backtrack a bit, weekend usually a bit tied up to post replies

I'm glad to see this level of depth in comments thumbup.gif

I have Islamic bond and quite liked it. But yes, same concern over dilution of yield. But so far still seem ok wor... so tempted to top up

I was looking at AmTactical earlier.... a bit too concentrated on Oil & Gas I think... and rather similar to AmDynamic that I'm already holding

So what's the conclusion with local bond fund? FSM just posted an article promoting local bond fund also
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...e-Possible-7467
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Reference for myself & also Newbie blush.gif blush.gif dry.gif
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Ponzi 1.0 ---> Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund

Ponzi 2.0 ---> CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund

Evergreen Fund / Lee Sook Yee  wub.gif  wub.gif  ---> Kenanga Growth Fund

Aladdin Fund ---> Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund

Small-Cap Fund  ---> Eastspring Investment Small-Cap Fund

Titanic Fund  ---> CIMB-Principle Global Titan Fund

Anitamui Fund ---> Libra Asnita Bond Fund

p/s: Reason for nickname Ponzi Because of its impressive return in short term (historical)


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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 5 2016, 12:09 PM)
Backtrack a bit, weekend usually a bit tied up to post replies

I'm glad to see this level of depth in comments  thumbup.gif

I have Islamic bond and quite liked it. But yes, same concern over dilution of yield. But so far still seem ok wor... so tempted to top up

I was looking at AmTactical earlier.... a bit too concentrated on Oil & Gas I think... and rather similar to AmDynamic that I'm already holding

So what's the conclusion with local bond fund? FSM just posted an article promoting local bond fund also
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...e-Possible-7467
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I foresee BNM is under pressure to reduce OPR either on 7/9 or 23/11 to spur growth
Thus, I wud opined long mid term Bond fund to ride on capital appreciation


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Congrats for hitting another milestone. thumbup.gif

PM thread is still stuck at V4. More than a year with no post since the last one on May 12 2015. What does it tell? brows.gif
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QUOTE(iamoracle @ Sep 5 2016, 01:18 PM)
Congrats for hitting another milestone.  thumbup.gif

PM thread is still stuck at V4. More than a year with no post since the last one on May 12 2015. What does it tell?  brows.gif
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People love DIY? It's been 18 months since I took the plunge into DIY UT. And bond-heavy portfolio doing better than equity ones sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 1 2016, 04:58 PM)
T&C says the payment must be RECEIVED by 3PM.

Your cheque is from which bank? If SCB cheque, I'd say 99% no problem.

If inter-bank cheque (i.e. from other banks), if I'm FSM I'll tell u to fly kite, cos the payment is not yet cleared, soonest for the cheque to clear would be tomorrow evening. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 1 2016, 05:40 PM)
If u can spare the trouble to bank in cheque means that u physically went to SCB.

Why not terus go your bank and do RENTAS transfer? doh.gif

RM14.00 RENTAS fee vs the savings from 0.57% promo...I'm sure u can do the math, with your substantial investment sum rclxs0.gif
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Purchase reflected in my holding. The FSM captured the transaction based on the 1st of Sept price (The day i deposited the cheque).
Even for the inter-banks cheque deposits, as long as the deposit is done before 3pm.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 5 2016, 03:28 PM)
eh how u guys reply @ the old thread when it's closed huh? blink.gif
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Open old thread and new thread in new tab. Quote old thread, move to new thread tab, click add reply.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 5 2016, 05:37 PM)
Open old thread and new thread in new tab. Quote old thread, move to new thread tab, click add reply.
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Haha nice trick. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(innsean @ Sep 4 2016, 03:36 PM)
Guys, wouldn't it be cool if we have a Fundsupermart Facebook Group as well  thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(innsean @ Sep 4 2016, 08:35 PM)
I meant a Facebook group. It will be cool and way easier to scroll rather than page per page view via forum. And as you mentioned there is a like button smile.gif

I took the initiative to create the group, do join guys and let's give it a try - www.facebook.com/groups/Fundsupermart
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won't be joining the FB group.

No privacy & also security reason

and thanks to Ramjade for the trick. now only I know rclxm9.gif thumbsup.gif
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oh..then i better get out of the fb group.feels like kacau daun

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Sep 5 2016, 06:41 PM)
oh..then i better get out of the fb group.feels like kacau daun
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no one force to to skip the FB group. don't follow us.

if you feel okay. then no problem.
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with the latest epf ruling on unit trust funds which invests overseas, which are the better EPF allowed funds that invest in asia pac and developed market?

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QUOTE(repusez @ Sep 6 2016, 09:59 AM)
with the latest epf ruling on unit trust funds which invests overseas, which are the better ones that invest in asia pac and developed market?
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hmm.gif according to FSM currently, the "better" one are listed here.... biggrin.gif
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tormaincode=All
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Send like the number of postings have slowed down since the new thread opened.

Maybe some of the regulars haven't noticed the new thread.
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 6 2016, 12:51 PM)
Send like the number of postings have slowed down since the new thread opened.

Maybe some of the regulars haven't noticed the new thread.
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Sales charge promo extended until end of the month, plenty of time to decide what to buy

You should see a spike in activity here towards end of the month brows.gif

Anyway... my portfolio IRR looking good with weakening RM rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 6 2016, 12:51 PM)
Send like the number of postings have slowed down since the new thread opened.

Maybe some of the regulars haven't noticed the new thread.
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Too busy looking at the growing NAV.

Go go India!

Go go USD denominated UTF!

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 5 2016, 10:41 PM)
no one force to to skip the FB group. don't follow us.

if you feel okay. then no problem.
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do you have link to the group? can't find it.
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 6 2016, 12:55 PM)
Sales charge promo extended until end of the month, plenty of time to decide what to buy

You should see a spike in activity here towards end of the month  brows.gif

Anyway... my portfolio IRR looking good with weakening RM  rclxm9.gif
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Ringgit weakness play, fun eh? devil.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 6 2016, 01:32 PM)
Ringgit weakness play, fun eh? devil.gif
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But it's usually temporary only.... no point geh. Only useful to time the fund switching

Another topic - now I understand the reason ponzi 1.0 doing better than other asia pac funds... the latest factsheet shows that they are literally an ASEAN fund instead of asia pac funds with most money in Msia, Singapore, Indon and philippines. Very limited overlap with most of the other asia pac funds
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do you have link to the group? can't find it.
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I also cannot find the link rclxub.gif

innsean please give proper link icon_question.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 6 2016, 01:39 PM)
But it's usually temporary only.... no point geh. Only useful to time the fund switching

Another topic - now I understand the reason ponzi 1.0 doing better than other asia pac funds... the latest factsheet shows that they are literally an ASEAN fund instead of asia pac funds with most money in Msia, Singapore, Indon and philippines. Very limited overlap with most of the other asia pac funds
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I would say ASEAN+HK, Ponzi 1.0 almost never touch Korea (but I do remember it had held a Korean counter before), Taiwan, India etc. Maybe perhaps hard to cover small-mid caps in those countries.

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How Do Deductible and Co-insurance Work
In this article, we explain the meaning of deductible and co-insurance.

Fundsupermart Aug 26, 2016 194
You probably see these terms in some of the health insurance plans. Basically, it is a cost-sharing concept where both you and your health insurance company pay part of your medical expenses.

Some of the health insurance plans with this cost sharing feature may save you money on your insurance premium, which may be worth your consideration when choosing a health insurance plan.

In this article, we explain the meaning of deductible and co-insurance so that you know the pros and cons when you are purchasing a health insurance plan.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/insurance/...surance-work-17

is it me or they are trying their darkest to promote their insurance plan. what's the difference with theirs and a long standing company like prudential
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Guys, want to ask how long does it take for FSM to verify my account? 1 week/2week?
Planning to open account to take their 0.57% SC.
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How Do Deductible and Co-insurance Work
In this article, we explain the meaning of deductible and co-insurance.

Fundsupermart  Aug 26, 2016  194
You probably see these terms in some of the health insurance plans. Basically, it is a cost-sharing concept where both you and your health insurance company pay part of your medical expenses.

Some of the health insurance plans with this cost sharing feature may save you money on your insurance premium, which may be worth your consideration when choosing a health insurance plan.

In this article, we explain the meaning of deductible and co-insurance so that you know the pros and cons when you are purchasing a health insurance plan.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/insurance/...surance-work-17

is it me or they are trying their darkest to promote their insurance plan. what's the difference with theirs and a long standing company like prudential
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I may be wrong cos I've yet to do in-depth study and comparison, but this is my take -

Insurance agents don't make much commission from term insurance plans, thus they are not keen to sell those.

Those plans that FSM@Insurance sells are all term insurance plans.

Term is "PURE" insurance - there is no cash value i.e. what u paid is 100% burnt - to those with accounting/finance background, it's a pure EXPENSE, written off.

Conventional ones and investment-linked plans have cash values which u can get back upon maturity/surrender.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 6 2016, 01:53 PM)
Guys, want to ask how long does it take for FSM to verify my account? 1 week/2week?
Planning to open account to take their 0.57% SC.
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Personal experience, 1 day.

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 6 2016, 01:53 PM)
is it me or they are trying their darkest to promote their insurance plan. what's the difference with theirs and a long standing company like prudential
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they are NOT insurance companies. like what they are doing for the unit trust, they are again, just INTERMEDIARY. the insurance plan is NOT theirs, it's underwritten by other insurance companies.

why is it even a point for discussion?

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 6 2016, 01:57 PM)
I may be wrong cos I've yet to do in-depth study and comparison, but this is my take -

Insurance agents don't make much commission from term insurance plans, thus they are not keen to sell those.

Those plans that FSM@Insurance sells are all term insurance plans.

Term is "PURE" insurance - there is no cash value i.e. what u paid is 100% burnt - to those with accounting/finance background, it's a pure EXPENSE, written off.

Conventional ones and investment-linked plans have cash values which u can get back upon maturity/surrender.
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I learnt something new here. thank you. sounds like a forced savings for medical fees in the future. I'll look into it as a curiosity and to be knowledgeable. thank you
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Financial savvy people would vouch for term insurance - BUY TERM, INVEST THE REST (on your own).

Best to discuss on insurance thread or open another thread for FSM@insurance. wink.gif
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 6 2016, 01:59 PM)
Personal experience, 1 day.
they are NOT insurance companies. like what they are doing for the unit trust, they are again, just INTERMEDIARY. the insurance plan is NOT theirs, it's underwritten by other insurance companies.

why is it even a point for discussion?
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The point is that my app notified this to me under fundsupermart. this thread is called fundsupermart right not a pure unit trust thread? what's your problem when I want to learn more?
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 6 2016, 02:00 PM)
I learnt something new here. thank you. sounds like a forced savings for medical fees in the future. I'll look into it as a curiosity and to be knowledgeable. thank you
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Yes, conventional insurance plans (with savings feature i.e. cash value) is good as a "forced" saving, esp for those with no financial discipline and/or know-how to invest.

P.S. - Please stop the animosity here, we're all here to learn amicably

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 6 2016, 02:00 PM)
Financial savvy people would vouch for term insurance - BUY TERM, INVEST THE REST (on your own).

Best to discuss on insurance thread or open another thread for FSM@insurance. wink.gif
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yeap that's all i wanted to know. not planning to derail it future and cause people to be butthurt over their precious thread. thanks brother.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 6 2016, 01:53 PM)
Guys, want to ask how long does it take for FSM to verify my account? 1 week/2week?
Planning to open account to take their 0.57% SC.
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Lu di sini dah berapa lama? Bila mau buka?

in b4 later KIV again, wait for 0% SC promo to buka akaun

in b4 in b4 later KIV again, wait for Starbucks voucher PLUS 0% SC to buka akaun whistling.gif

in b4 in b4 in b4 baik balik ke ASN, gerenti dividen, Ponzi selamanya whistling.gif

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 6 2016, 01:59 PM)
Personal experience, 1 day.
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Btw, if open now, entitle for 0.57% or I will get 1%?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 6 2016, 02:11 PM)
Btw, if open now, entitle for 0.57% or I will get 1%?
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0.57%
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 6 2016, 01:44 PM)
I also cannot find the link  rclxub.gif

innsean please give proper link  icon_question.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Lol I deleted the group since the forum members here are in favour of being anonymous doh.gif
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http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/p...k-panic-selling

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Personnel changes at RHB Asset Management spark panic selling
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 6 2016, 02:29 PM)
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/p...k-panic-selling

U guys may be interested to read this:

Personnel changes at RHB Asset Management spark panic selling
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So this is part of the reason for the recent small caps sell off?
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So this is part of the reason for the recent small caps sell off?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 6 2016, 02:29 PM)
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/p...k-panic-selling

U guys may be interested to read this:

Personnel changes at RHB Asset Management spark panic selling
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In other words, RHB AM didn't sell the small cap stocks. But other investors dump those stocks for fear that RHB AM would do so.

That's interesting hmm.gif
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Lu tak reti bahasa England ka? Pergi baca sendiri dry.gif
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My England is very powderful.
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Sep 6 2016, 03:00 PM)
In other words, RHB AM didn't sell the small cap stocks. But other investors dump those stocks for fear that RHB AM would do so.

That's interesting hmm.gif
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My interpretation of the whole thing -

Those stocks are purely goreng stocks with no/bad fundamentals, fund management community has been pushing them up in concert with each other. devil.gif

Then one of them left the party... bye.gif

If u are one of those remaining, u lari from those stocks or not? rclxs0.gif

Jangan sue me! innocent.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 6 2016, 03:19 PM)
My interpretation of the whole thing -

Those stocks are purely goreng stocks with no/bad fundamentals, fund management community has been pushing them up in concert with each other. devil.gif

Then one of them left the party... bye.gif

If u are one of those remaining, u lari from those stocks or not? rclxs0.gif

Jangan sue me! innocent.gif
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If Malaysian FM all like that die lah doh.gif

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Guys, want to ask how long does it take for FSM to verify my account? 1 week/2week?
Planning to open account to take their 0.57% SC.
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Pls listen to the word of wisdom by SIFU here. buy when the market got cheap sales, not when FSM has promotion sales.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 6 2016, 01:53 PM)
Guys, want to ask how long does it take for FSM to verify my account? 1 week/2week?
Planning to open account to take their 0.57% SC.
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Pls listen to the word of wisdom by SIFU here. buy when the market got cheap sales, not when FSM has promotion sales.
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Pls listen to the word of wisdom by SIFU here. buy when the market got cheap sales, not when FSM has promotion sales.
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How does one know when the market got cheap sales ?

Like the RHB Small Cap thingie ?
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How does one know when the market got cheap sales ?

Like the RHB Small Cap thingie ?
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then must ask the sifu,
I got the advice from others and just passing it on.

Note: I usually made my own judgment on my own money and investment, so any advice i will take it with a pinch of salts.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 6 2016, 02:07 PM)
Lu di sini dah berapa lama? Bila mau buka?

in b4 later KIV again, wait for 0% SC promo to buka akaun

in b4 in b4 later KIV again, wait for Starbucks voucher PLUS 0% SC to buka akaun whistling.gif

in b4 in b4 in b4 baik balik ke ASN, gerenti dividen, Ponzi selamanya whistling.gif
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In the end, will drive his 20 year old Vios J and hunt the whole of Klang Valley including Seremban, Nilai and Bangi to look for more AS(X) units to buy.

In the end, will drive his 20 year old Vios J and hunt the whole of Klang Valley including Seremban, Nilai and Bangi to look for the highest FD rate to put in his RM 1K capital. Get the 0.25% higher FD to him is worth it already for him to drive from Port Klang to Seremban rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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In the end, will drive his 20 year old Vios J and hunt the whole of Klang Valley including Seremban, Nilai and Bangi to look for more AS(X) units to buy.

In the end, will drive his 20 year old Vios J and hunt the whole of Klang Valley including Seremban, Nilai and Bangi to look for the highest FD rate to put in his RM 1K capital. Get the 0.25% higher FD to him is worth it already for him to drive from Port Klang to Seremban  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Xuzen
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Hahaha haha!!!! I remember this poor guy in FD thread a year back who placed his FD in various accounts under monthly,trimonthly and half year. everytime one of them matures he will go to each bank he frequents to ask for the best rate.

those were the days of fds Hahaha
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 6 2016, 04:36 PM)
In the end, will drive his 20 year old Vios J and hunt the whole of Klang Valley including Seremban, Nilai and Bangi to look for more AS(X) units to buy.

In the end, will drive his 20 year old Vios J and hunt the whole of Klang Valley including Seremban, Nilai and Bangi to look for the highest FD rate to put in his RM 1K capital. Get the 0.25% higher FD to him is worth it already for him to drive from Port Klang to Seremban  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Xuzen
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U tau apa. Memberangsangkan ekonomi Negara dengan memakai lebih petrol whistling.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 6 2016, 04:36 PM)
In the end, will drive his 20 year old Vios J and hunt the whole of Klang Valley including Seremban, Nilai and Bangi to look for more AS(X) units to buy.

In the end, will drive his 20 year old Vios J and hunt the whole of Klang Valley including Seremban, Nilai and Bangi to look for the highest FD rate to put in his RM 1K capital. Get the 0.25% higher FD to him is worth it already for him to drive from Port Klang to Seremban  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

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haha...very mean leh...
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Sep 6 2016, 04:57 PM)
haha...very mean leh...
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We are rarely mean.

But when (using an analogy here) a guy walks into a car showroom and ask about the car specs over and over again and minta test drive over and over again, and every time ends up with "let me think over 1st ar..." for MONTHS...sampai Vios pun dah come up with multiple facelifts, new model pun sudah nak mari yet belum made a purchase...if u are one of the salesman, u see him u chase him away with broom or not? sleep.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 6 2016, 05:03 PM)
We are rarely mean.

But when (using an analogy here) a guy walks into a car showroom and ask about the car specs over and over again and minta test drive over and over again, and every time ends up with "let me think over 1st ar..." for MONTHS...sampai Vios pun dah come up with multiple facelifts, new model pun sudah nak mari yet belum made a purchase...if u are one of the salesman, u see him u chase him away with broom or not? sleep.gif
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Mean la, he always say we r mean eventhough this thread provides valuable information

Anyway, since we layan everyone who ask a question here.... layan jer la.... I cannot count how many distribution vs dividend question you layan-ed in the past. Not like you get paid like Vios salesman

The commission based UTCs on the other hand different story la, imagine if they layan our bestest college boy, ask a lot but month after month still don't want to commit.... can vomit blood lor. But I think they would just stop layan-ing in a while cool2.gif


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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 6 2016, 04:36 PM)
In the end, will drive his 20 year old Vios J and hunt the whole of Klang Valley including Seremban, Nilai and Bangi to look for more AS(X) units to buy.
In the end, will drive his 20 year old Vios J and hunt the whole of Klang Valley including Seremban, Nilai and Bangi to look for the highest FD rate to put in his RM 1K capital. Get the 0.25% higher FD to him is worth it already for him to drive from Port Klang to Seremban  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
Xuzen
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You are indeed very observant. The quality of ASX thread has been deteriorating.

Always ask how much managed to top up? which bank, which counter, which teller? When someone successfully bank in 100 ringgit, then 10 congratulations messages come in...prasing the retired auntie multiple times, and etc.

That thread read 100 pages like reading 1 page, no contributions of new knowledge. When ASNB make some announcements on a certain campaign like lucky draw or investment seminar, The same guy repeatedly post it multiple times, and the other guys will do the same posting the same thing for another N times.

Many contributors in ASX just posting for the sake of cheating post counts nia.

I do not know why the admin allows these to happen again and again?

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Sep 6 2016, 05:41 PM)
You are indeed very observant. The quality of ASX thread has been deteriorating.

Always ask how much managed to top up? which bank, which counter, which teller? When someone successfully bank in 100 ringgit, then 10 congratulations messages come in...prasing the retired auntie multiple times, and etc.

That thread read 100 pages like reading 1 page, no contributions of new knowledge. When ASNB make some announcements on a certain campaign like lucky draw or investment seminar, The same guy repeatedly post it multiple times, and the other guys will do the same posting the same thing for another N times.

Many contributors in ASX just posting for the sake of cheating post counts nia.

I do not know why the admin allows these to happen again and again?
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Actually what is there worth discussing?

Gerenti dividen. Just pump in and sit back, virtually no further actions needed.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Sep 6 2016, 05:41 PM)
You are indeed very observant. The quality of ASX thread has been deteriorating.

Always ask how much managed to top up? which bank, which counter, which teller? When someone successfully bank in 100 ringgit, then 10 congratulations messages come in...prasing the retired auntie multiple times, and etc.

That thread read 100 pages like reading 1 page, no contributions of new knowledge. When ASNB make some announcements on a certain campaign like lucky draw or investment seminar, The same guy repeatedly post it multiple times, and the other guys will do the same posting the same thing for another N times.

Many contributors in ASX just posting for the sake of cheating post counts nia.

I do not know why the admin allows these to happen again and again?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 6 2016, 05:49 PM)
Actually what is there worth discussing?

Gerenti dividen. Just pump in and sit back, virtually no further actions needed.
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When you say deteriorating you are implying it was of higher quality before.... but how to have meaningful and intelligent discussion about a black box? hmm.gif

I tried a couple of times, failed miserably, because even I don't have enough to stir interest since the accounts say close to nothing. EPF and Tabung Haji accounts got a lot more to see

Blackbox - Can only talk about what goes in and what came out lor; nothing to talk about in between
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 6 2016, 05:49 PM)
Actually what is there worth discussing?

Gerenti dividen. Just pump in and sit back, virtually no further actions needed.
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there are few funds ASW, ASM, AS1M and all paying the same dividend rate for the last few years in a row,

But some forumers prefer one fixed price fund than another even all these funds pay the same dividend, so they want to withdraw from one fixed price fund to deposit in another, or complain they have too much in ASM and not enough in ASW, and vice versa, very petty and childish discussion.

The discussion in that thread it's like every time you go to pee, you inform the other forumers you are peeing and the volume of your pee, how many times you pee within a day, and which toilet bowl you pee, and the service of the cleaner of the toilet (or the bank teller) whether good or not? Who interested to know all about the peeing process?

Aiyoyo..

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Portfolio on the way up and up again... luckily top up last week..
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Some butthurt troll setan main report post wo whistling.gif

*IGNORE button pressed*
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opr rate cut likely... time to topup foreign and bond funds?
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opr rate cut likely... time to topup foreign and bond funds?
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Implications of further OPR Cut

Generally, any rate cut is positive for asset prices. Locally, bonds should see further yield compression if the case of rate cut materializes. In view of that, investors could be better off to shift some portion of their monies towards longer duration bonds for some yield pick up amid accommodative monetary policy stance. Local bond funds with a flexible duration profile are preferred given their ability to manoeuvre across their duration profile. Libra AsnitaBond Fund is a credible pick in this regards. For local equities, funds with dividend oriented strategy such as Eastspring Investments Equity Income Fund should benefit more as hunt for yield intensifies.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Sep 6 2016, 06:10 PM)
there are few funds ASW, ASM, AS1M and all paying the same dividend rate for the last few years in a row,

But some forumers prefer one fixed price fund than another even all these funds pay the same dividend, so they want to withdraw from one fixed price fund to deposit in another, or complain they have too much in ASM and not enough in ASW, and vice versa, very petty and childish discussion.

The discussion in that thread it's like every time you go to pee, you inform the other forumers you are peeing and the volume of your pee, how many times you pee within a day, and which toilet bowl you pee, and the service of the cleaner of the toilet (or the bank teller) whether good or not? Who interested to know all about the peeing process?

Aiyoyo..
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I do have some investments in ASX funds but I let them run on auto-pilot mode. What are there to discuss that warrant a dedicated thread? doh.gif Just pump in cash and wait for dividend akin to FD. smile.gif

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now they offer 0.57% service charge. Do you think worth to invest now?
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QUOTE(goolie @ Sep 7 2016, 09:13 AM)
now they offer 0.57% service charge. Do you think worth to invest now?
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Your question is too open-ended:

- what funds are u looking at?
- what is your investment (time) horizon?
- what funds (if any) do u have now?
etc etc etc
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QUOTE(goolie @ Sep 7 2016, 09:13 AM)
now they offer 0.57% service charge. Do you think worth to invest now?
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it is always good to invest NOW. Don't wait for the next promo or you will never start your journey in investment. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish. How much spare cash do you have to invest? mind you some funds require you to put in a minimum placement of 1k to buy into their funds.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 6 2016, 10:33 PM)
Some butthurt troll setan main report post wo whistling.gif

*IGNORE button pressed*
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I also kena reported... Is it you Pink who reported me? bruce.gif thumbup.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(goolie @ Sep 7 2016, 09:13 AM)
now they offer 0.57% service charge. Do you think worth to invest now?
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Everyday is a good day to invest except:

All Sat & Sunday

New Year's day, CNY day, FT, Labour Day, etc... you get the idea!

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 7 2016, 09:43 AM)
it is always good to invest NOW. Don't wait for the next promo or you will never start your journey in investment. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish. How much spare cash do you have to invest? mind you some funds require you to put in a minimum placement of 1k to buy into their funds.
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+100

I have a colleague who have been waiting for a (major) crash since eternity.
It never came.
Then one of his favourite stock finally went cheap due to some market negative news and coverage, he (FINALLY) bought in.
When it drops further, he went panic and ran.
That stock has since recovered and more than doubled from the price where he exited.
And now he is waiting for another major crash. yawn.gif

#do not be like Pinky's colleague tongue.gif

QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 7 2016, 09:47 AM)
I also kena reported... Is it you Pink who reported me?  bruce.gif  thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif

Xuzen
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Even the (I dunno qualified or not tongue.gif ) doctor and the HNWI Mr Cheah also can rationally talk their way out of conflicts and arguments thumbsup.gif

It's some kedekut calculative college boy who cannot take the heat of criticism whistling.gif

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I also kena reported... Is it you Pink who reported me?  bruce.gif  thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif

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I think LYN should implement the feature whereby the person who got reported knows who reports him and WHAT he is reporting about, otherwise, just don't bother me. wink.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 7 2016, 09:49 AM)
It's some kedekut calculative college boy who cannot take the heat of criticism whistling.gif
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It got to the point of bordering Obsessive Compulsive Behavior Disorder. I think he / she needs medical help.

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I think LYN should implement the feature whereby the person who got reported knows who reports him and WHAT he is reporting about, otherwise, just don't bother me. wink.gif
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We know what is being reported, just don't know who.

Whistleblower protection mar...if MO1 knows who's exposing him, bahaya nia! tongue.gif
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I think LYN should implement the feature whereby the person who got reported knows who reports him and WHAT he is reporting about, otherwise, just don't bother me. wink.gif
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I don't need this feature; my crystal ball can tell me who it is and I am 110% positive it is Pinky! thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 7 2016, 10:04 AM)
I don't need this feature; my crystal ball can tell me who it is and I am 110% positive it is Pinky!  thumbsup.gif
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You mean Frenemy!


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Fyi, I did not report anyrhing and most of what I post here get reported anyway. Being kedekut is the way to go sifus.

Let you have lots of extra cash when your peers habis duit at the end of the month. whistling.gif whistling.gif

Especially when you cannot print money or have unlimited amount of money.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 7 2016, 10:11 AM)
You mean Frenemy!
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Try tell Warren Buffett to go count how many A4 papers his admin girls are using a day.

Try tell Teh Hong Piow to go check the electricity bills of each of his banking branch.

Try tell MO1 to go check how much petrol is his police escorts using a day.

Real successful people focus their efforts on the right things.

Petty people focus on the petty things. innocent.gif

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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 7 2016, 08:15 AM)
Implications of further OPR Cut

Generally, any rate cut is positive for asset prices. Locally, bonds should see further yield compression if the case of rate cut materializes. In view of that, investors could be better off to shift some portion of their monies towards longer duration bonds for some yield pick up amid accommodative monetary policy stance. Local bond funds with a flexible duration profile are preferred given their ability to manoeuvre across their duration profile. Libra AsnitaBond Fund  is a credible pick in this regards. For local equities, funds with dividend oriented strategy such as Eastspring Investments Equity Income Fund  should benefit more as hunt for yield intensifies.
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yup just topped up libra asnita nod.gif so regret not buying more ponzi2...remarkable return since beginning of the year.
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opr rate cut likely... time to topup foreign and bond funds?
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yup just topped up libra asnita  nod.gif so regret not buying more ponzi2...remarkable return since beginning of the year.
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i think you should have regretted more of not having buy more of Ponzi 1.0...
same period when compared to Ponzi 2.0 biggrin.gif


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I think LYN should implement the feature whereby the person who got reported knows who reports him and WHAT he is reporting about, otherwise, just don't bother me. wink.gif
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better still - the biz, financial & investment forums in LYN should have IQ + EQ test before enabling users join & post, thus forcing spoon-fed flers to READ and ABSORB first before posting stuff tongue.gif..

if only wishes were ponies..  sweat.gif
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What's your take on today's coming BNM announcement? Cut, or maintain?
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Good morning Duterte wub.gif

What's your take on today's coming BNM announcement? Cut, or maintain?
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Dunno - my balls aren't Krystal's tongue.gif
Whether up/down/left/right, as long as make >6%pa i ok, better >=8%pa

Buy value, buy holistically low corr THEN sell to crazy chasers.
still see people chasing "performance" rather than collect at value brows.gif is gud, is gud

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Anyone here fond of fund in gold sector like rhb gold or amprecious? gold price climbing real fast these few days rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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Anyone here fond of fund in gold sector like rhb gold or amprecious? gold price climbing real fast these few days  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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If one is optimistic about Gold now, wouldn't directly investing in Gold is more direct and effective ?
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Anyone here fond of fund in gold sector like rhb gold or amprecious? gold price climbing real fast these few days  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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forummer "Kimyee" had a good % in those funds....
check the last version 14 of this thread....the last few pages....you will see his holdings
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If one is optimistic about Gold now, wouldn't directly investing in Gold is more direct and effective ?
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some people said the "spread" is just too wide...
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 7 2016, 12:16 PM)
some people said the "spread" is just too wide...
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Yea, i did try invest directly in GIA account previously about the same time i started in rhb gold and amprecious in FSM, turns out feeling the latter are more effective.
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i think you should have regretted more of not having buy more of Ponzi 1.0...
same period when compared to Ponzi 2.0  biggrin.gif
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According to FSM my current profit for ponzi 2 is (12.17%)  bangwall.gif
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good or bad? why banging the wall?
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good or bad? why banging the wall?
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comparing against Affin Hwang ponzi 1.
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OPR maintained at 3%.
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That's good. What a relief !
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That's good. What a relief !
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https://www.imoney.my/articles/how-to-achie...our-30s-40s-50s

This is such a badly written piece... All the expected returns plug from sky. How to consistent achieve 10% returns from fixed income and 22% returns from global funds. And I blame CIMB Principal since the article is written in partnership with them  mad.gif

The only good about the article is the infographic, which I wish FSM can do more *to the FSM staff who is lurking here  tongue.gif *
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 20 2016, 05:36 PM)
Hahaha.  biggrin.gif 22% return from global funds (???). I think Warren Buffett also has to close shop like this.

There is just so much BS out there. This reminds me of the passage from a finance book which goes something like this.

"Everyone has an opinion about how the share market will perform in the future. These are all speculations. If the speculation/prediction is correct, then the person is hailed as a genius. If the prediction is incorrect, then the person doesn't lose anything. The correct way is for all the fund managers, financial "genius" etc. to put their money where their mouth is. EACH PERSON WILL CONTRIBUTE USD100 into a cookie jar for each and every prediction that they make. At the end of the financial year, the person making the correct prediction will take all the money from the cookie jar".

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Digging up an old topic
https://www.imoney.my/articles/how-to-achie...our-30s-40s-50s

Went to make some noise and they edited the post finally; but the numbers look a lot worse sweat.gif

p/s: Wanted to still complain that it's not right to use 1 year return for retirement planning... but forget it la, no one really cares I guess - not the person who wrote it nor the sponsor of the article
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Why? U don't like rate cut? blink.gif
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My portfolio is more towards term deposit. That's why. ....
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i think you should have regretted more of not having buy more of Ponzi 1.0...
same period when compared to Ponzi 2.0  biggrin.gif
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I double my Ponzi 1.0 holding in mid February and again in May. Now sitting on a nice profit rclxm9.gif
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If one is optimistic about Gold now, wouldn't directly investing in Gold is more direct and effective ?
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It is always better to invest in gold related companies such as miners and royalty companies, especially junior gold miners. When gold price up, they (the companies) goes up faster and higher than gold but the same effect applies when gold price goes down. Gold UT such as AmPrecious Metal invests in gold companies rather than actual gold or other precious metals.
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QUOTE(David3700 @ Sep 7 2016, 03:34 PM)
That's good. What a relief !
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slow and steady cut is better.
Some of us have not accumulated enough bond funds yet. rclxm9.gif
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Malaysian import and export figures look ugly.
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Anyone knows how often these heavy-weight guys meet up and decide on OPR? every 3 months?
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Anyone knows how often these heavy-weight guys meet up and decide on OPR? every 3 months?
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http://www.bnm.gov.my/?ch=mone&pg=mone_mpc&lang=en

Every 2 months
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Most analysts see another cut in November after BNM maintain the rate today.
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good or bad? why banging the wall?
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Digging up an old topic
https://www.imoney.my/articles/how-to-achie...our-30s-40s-50s

Went to make some noise and they edited the post finally; but the numbers look a lot worse  sweat.gif

p/s: Wanted to still complain that it's not right to use 1 year return for retirement planning... but forget it la, no one really cares I guess - not the person who wrote it nor the sponsor of the article
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Everybody sells you KGF and EISC tongue.gif
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Local equity estimated return 3.47%
Everybody sells you KGF and EISC tongue.gif
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What to do? The post sponsored by CIMB Principal and all their local equity funds performed badly, the DALI funds even worse
Bond funds sucks too... for 4% might as well chase FD promos
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My portfolio is more towards term deposit.  That's why. ....
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My portfolio including PRS funds spikes up to green territory.

Valuation as of yesterday NAV.

This post has been edited by David83: Sep 7 2016, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 7 2016, 07:45 PM)
My portfolio including PRS funds spikes up to green territory.

Valuation as of yesterday NAV.
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rclxms.gif good to hear that....
the last I remembered, your RHB China india was still in red - 5%
broke even already... thumbsup.gif
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Someone is on post reporting frenzy, macam nak buat this thread nuked. You know who. Ignore that fella from now on.
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rclxms.gif good to hear that....
the last I remembered, your RHB China india was still in red - 5%
broke even already... thumbsup.gif
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Last week I topped up that brings down the average unit price.
This week, the fund is on fuel for surging.
Current ROI is 1.9%

This afternoon I read an article that China H shares are poised for a rebounce till year end due to cheap valuation.
Cross finger on this.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 7 2016, 07:45 PM)
My portfolio including PRS funds spikes up to green territory.

Valuation as of yesterday NAV.
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Mine.... drool.gif tonight thinking of $$
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Someone is on post reporting frenzy, macam nak buat this thread nuked. You know who. Ignore that fella from now on.
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how do you know? admin contacted you ask you to behave?
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how do you know? admin contacted you ask you to behave?
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hey man stop lah. the thread baru started and people already fighting.
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Step on somebody's tail from ASX tered??
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Let's say I sell off a fund and put the proceeds into the cash management fund, can I just use the cash management fund to buy another fund (i.e. sell off the cash management fund and use that money to purchase another fund in a single transaction) or do I still need to cash it out into a bank account and transfer it over for a new purchase?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Sep 7 2016, 09:45 PM)
Step on somebody's tail from ASX tered??
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most likely and if my suspicion is correct I know this isn't the first time he go on a deporting spree in finance section.

Anyways let us not mind him and not derail the thread. shall we?

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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Sep 7 2016, 09:45 PM)
Let's say I sell off a fund and put the proceeds into the cash management fund, can I just use the cash management fund to buy another fund (i.e.  sell off the cash management fund and use that money to purchase another fund in a single transaction) or do I still need to cash it out into a bank account and transfer it over for a new purchase?
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Yes u can.. cmf2 right?

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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Sep 7 2016, 09:45 PM)
Let's say I sell off a fund and put the proceeds into the cash management fund, can I just use the cash management fund to buy another fund (i.e.  sell off the cash management fund and use that money to purchase another fund in a single transaction) or do I still need to cash it out into a bank account and transfer it over for a new purchase?
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yes you can. cash management fund is like a quick account you can buy funds than going through banking transaction
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Sep 7 2016, 09:45 PM)
Let's say I sell off a fund and put the proceeds into the cash management fund, can I just use the cash management fund to buy another fund (i.e.  sell off the cash management fund and use that money to purchase another fund in a single transaction) or do I still need to cash it out into a bank account and transfer it over for a new purchase?
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It won't be in a single transaction.

It needs 4 transactions to happen.

Transaction 1: Switch sell of Fund A to CMF
Transaction 2: Buy CMF
Transaction 3: Switch sell of CMF
Transaction 4: Buy Fund B

You need to have "units" in CMF first before you can buy or top up a fund if you choose to pay using CMF.

Also do take note on the "cut off" time of each transaction.

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yes you can. cash management fund is like a quick account you can buy funds than going through banking transaction
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It acts like a trust account in the normal trading platform.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 7 2016, 09:52 PM)
It acts like a trust account in the normal trading platform.
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Thank you for putting my crude neanderthal comment so eloquently. seriously I need to learn more
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If the intention is going from Fund A to Fund B, there is no need for CMF. You just do a switch.

Fund A to Fund B is inter-fund switch if A and B are from different Fund Houses (fees will be like buying new funds)

Fund A to Fund B is intra-fund switch for same Fund House (switching fees may apply depending on Fund House)

There is no CMF2 involved.

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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 7 2016, 09:51 PM)
It won't be in a single transaction.

It needs 4 transactions to happen.

Transaction 1: Switch sell of Fund A to CMF
Transaction 2: Buy CMF
Transaction 3: Switch sell of CMF
Transaction 4: Buy Fund B

You need to have "units" in CMF first before you can buy or top up a fund if you choose to pay using CMF.

Also do take note on the "cut off" time of each transaction.
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The steps are wrong.

You can go direct from Fund A to Fund B.

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QUOTE(howszat @ Sep 7 2016, 10:06 PM)
The steps are wrong.

You can go direct from Fund A to Fund B.
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Only within the same fund management group, right?

Anyway, thanks everyone for the replies.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Sep 7 2016, 09:52 PM)
It acts like a trust account in the normal trading platform.
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No, wrong.

If you are trading, you don't need it. See my previous comments.

It is for "parking" while you are deciding which Fund B to buy.
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Sep 7 2016, 10:08 PM)
Only within the same fund management group, right?

Anyway, thanks everyone for the replies.
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Within the same fund management group (or Fund House), it is known as "intra".

With different fund management groups (or Fund House), it is known as "inter".

Either way, no CMF2 is required.

PS: The only difference between "inter" and "intra" is the costs (fees and credits) involved. The FSM websites explains this well.

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The steps are wrong.

You can go direct from Fund A to Fund B.
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Sorry I forgot about the Inter-Fund Switching since didn't do it before.

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Just a note that if you have funds from other non-FSM fund houses, you can also "switch" to FSM for zero costs.

Just sell your say, Public Mutual fund, email your PM redemption slip to FSM, and you can buy the equivalent amount of FSM fund for Zero sales charge.

No, I don't work for FSM, thanks.
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Based on recent small/mid cap meltdown in Bursa recently, they hold United U-Li share ony
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Fyi, I did not report anyrhing and most of what I post here get reported anyway. Being kedekut is the way to go sifus.

Let you have lots of extra cash when your peers habis duit at the end of the month. whistling.gif whistling.gif

Especially when you cannot print money or have unlimited amount of money.
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There's a difference between being cheap and being frugal.

Quite dangerous to mistake one for the other.

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I'm one of the minority of malaysians who dislikes as rate cuts bring me no benefit, YET.
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Likelihood of a fire sale diminishing lor. Was actually hoping for a rate hike... Short term pain for long term gain.


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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 8 2016, 02:17 AM)
There's a difference between being cheap and being frugal.

Quite dangerous to mistake one for the other.
Likelihood of a fire sale diminishing lor. Was actually hoping for a rate hike... Short term pain for long term gain.
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IMHO - not cheap nor frugal la, VALUE hunter (worth vs cost of services/items) sweat.gif
Hard to reprogram views to look at value instead of at price or cost

eg.
until now (since my 20s) i've been trying to de-program momma (she's a stock "investor") like PBBank, Nestle, LPI VS low priced stocks cry.gif
look at Nestle, PBBank, LPI at the peak of 2007 VS end 2009 (right after worldwide credit crisis) VS now
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Likelihood of a fire sale diminishing lor. Was actually hoping for a rate hike... Short term pain for long term gain.
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Do not fight against inertia aka Newton's second law of motion. What is in motion will continue to be in motion unless met with an opposing force.

So if the trend is going uptrend, ride on its coattail. If going downtrend, do not catch a falling knife.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 8 2016, 04:38 PM)
Do not fight against inertia aka Newton's second law of motion. What is in motion will continue to be in motion unless met with an opposing force.

So if the trend is going uptrend, ride on its coattail. If going downtrend, do not catch a falling knife.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 8 2016, 04:38 PM)
Do not fight against inertia aka Newton's second law of motion. What is in motion will continue to be in motion unless met with an opposing force.

So if the trend is going uptrend, ride on its coattail. If going downtrend, do not catch a falling knife.

Xuzen
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As you already said it, law of inertia it's only for for case of without opposing force.

In reality, friction or opposing force is always present.

One friction force, for example, is the business fundamentals. As price moves further away from business fundamentals, the opposing force will push it back.

Sorry for the intrusion .... That's why people believe in the opposing forces are always in play .....

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Hello...Take a look at my current allocations (ignore the cash management fund I suppose)

Am I already too diversified? I'm 34, have about RM800 / month to invest and have a goal of 8% average by the time I retire.

Should I look at China / India / Emerging markets as another avenue?

I worried spread too thin based on my monthly capabilities.
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Hello...Take a look at my current allocations (ignore the cash management fund I suppose)

Am I already too diversified? I'm 34, have about RM800 / month to invest and have a goal of 8% average by the time I retire.

Should I look at China / India / Emerging markets as another avenue?

I worried spread too thin based on my monthly capabilities.
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my uneducated comment is....create & allocate > 20% in Asia Pac...

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Hello...Take a look at my current allocations (ignore the cash management fund I suppose)

Am I already too diversified? I'm 34, have about RM800 / month to invest and have a goal of 8% average by the time I retire.

Should I look at China / India / Emerging markets as another avenue?

I worried spread too thin based on my monthly capabilities.
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IMO, if you have rm800 to invest per month, you should look for alternatives for Aberdeen.

minimal top up of rm500 can cause your portfolio to be unbalanced.

even if you top up Aberdeen once every 2 months, that's rm500/rm1600, 30% of your entire portfolio
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my uneducated comment is....create & allocate > 20% in Asia Pac...
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Sifu, for Asia Pac, any good one to recommend ?
I am desperate to look for some good one since my current portfolio return is not up to expectation.
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Sifu, for Asia Pac, any good one to recommend ?
I am desperate to look for some good one since my current portfolio return is not up to expectation.
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According to FSM...the "better" one is as per the list
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tormaincode=All

click on the name of the fund,....it will link you to the reasons why they says it is the "better" one.

just NOT sure if that selections can "HELPS" you to improves your current portfolio returns....
I just know that, having a more globally diversified portfolio can helps to minimize some single country focus fund risk.

btw, what is your expected portfolio returns?
how long have you been invested?
what is your portfolio compositions and in what % currently?

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According to FSM...the "better" one is as per the list
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tormaincode=All

click on the name of the fund,....it will link you to the reasons why they says it is the "better" one.

just NOT sure if that selections can "HELPS" you to improves your current portfolio returns....
I just know that, having a more globally diversified portfolio can helps to minimize some single country focus fund risk.

btw, what is your expected portfolio returns?
how long have you been invested?
what is your portfolio compositions and in what % currently?
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Below is my portfolio, composition, return and duration :

1. Kenanga Asia Pacific Total Return Fund : 5% : 2.6% : 6 mths
2. CIMB Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund : 5% : 2.6% : 12 mths
3. Affin Hwang Select Income Fund : 10% : 2.2% : 6 mths
4. Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund : 5% : 12.0% : 12 mths
5. Kenanga Growth Fund : 25% : (1.4%) : 12 mths
6. East Spring Investment MY Focus Fund : 5% : (3.9%) : 12 mths
7. CIMB Principal Global Titan Fund : 5% : (3.0%) : 12 mths
8. TA European Equity Fund : 30% : (0.7%) : 6 mths
9. East Spring Growth Fund : 10% : (5.7%) : 8 mths

My expected return is must be better than term deposit of 4%.
But most seems below expectation.
Sifu, any advise ?

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Below is my portfolio, composition, return and duration :

1. Kenanga Asia Pacific Total Return Fund : 5% : 2.6% : 6 mths
2. CIMB Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund : 5% : 2.6% : 12 mths
3. Affin Hwang Select Income Fund : 10% : 2.2% : 6 mths
4. Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund : 5% : 12.0% : 12 mths
5. Kenanga Growth Fund : 25% : (1.4%) : 12 mths
6. East Spring Investment MY Focus Fund : 5% : (3.9%) : 12 mths
7. CIMB Principal Global Titan Fund : 5% : (3.0%) : 12 mths
8. TA European Equity Fund : 30% : (0.7%) : 6 mths
9. East Spring Growth Fund : 10% : (5.7%) : 8 mths

My expected return is must be better than term deposit of 4%.
But most seems below expectation.
Sifu, any advise ?

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Hey, I'm just a beginner here. Not sifu.

From what I see, most profit is around 3%. If that's the case, isn't it better to put in FD ?
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QUOTE(David3700 @ Sep 8 2016, 10:14 PM)
Below is my portfolio, composition, return and duration :

1. Kenanga Asia Pacific Total Return Fund : 5% : 2.6% : 6 mths
2. CIMB Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund : 5% : 2.6% : 12 mths
3. Affin Hwang Select Income Fund : 10% : 2.2% : 6 mths
4. Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund : 5% : 12.0% : 12 mths
5. Kenanga Growth Fund : 25% : (1.4%) : 12 mths
6. East Spring Investment MY Focus Fund : 5% : (3.9%) : 12 mths
7. CIMB Principal Global Titan Fund : 5% : (3.0%) : 12 mths
8. TA European Equity Fund : 30% : (0.7%) : 6 mths
9. East Spring Growth Fund : 10% : (5.7%) : 8 mths

My expected return is must be better than term deposit of 4%.
But most seems below expectation.
Sifu, any advise ?

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as pointed out earlier by some forummers....many of the champions of past few years had not been doing well this year...
ex, KGF, EIMYF = M'sia focused....are good example of that this year.....

yr Asia Pac = 10%
Euro = 30%
Developed Mkts = 5%
M'sia = 50%

at 50% and with M'sia mkts not performing well this year...thus yr portfolio affected.
looks like Asia Pac funds are running well this few months.....

if you believe FSM,...try this to see how it should be allocated?
Star Ratings For The Various Markets
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tarRatings.svdo

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/artic...pdf_Summary.pdf

if you had 50% in M'sia the last few years..."huat abit liao"....

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Hey, I'm just a beginner here. Not sifu.

From what I see, most profit is around 3%. If that's the case, isn't it better to put in FD ?
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YES, that is why UTs investment is not for everyone....

if he had that in 2015 that will be another story.....
Equities investment is volatile and returns fluatuates....who know how it will go....
but if in FD one can know is about 3.5%.....

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U refer to EISCF?
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 8 2016, 06:59 PM)
my uneducated comment is....create & allocate > 20% in Asia Pac...
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Asia pac means asia ex japan or asia? Any particular reasoning behind this thought?

QUOTE(Styrroyds @ Sep 8 2016, 08:36 PM)
IMO, if you have rm800 to invest per month, you should look for alternatives for Aberdeen.

minimal top up of rm500 can cause your portfolio to be unbalanced.

even if you top up Aberdeen once every 2 months, that's rm500/rm1600, 30% of your entire portfolio
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I definitely feel the trouble of maintaining a good investment cadence with Aberdeen due to the whopping RM500 per top up.

Assuming that once in 2 months I eke out another RM200 to top up Aberdeen, it'll still be rather sustainable, will you keep it?



Thanks for the suggestions
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Hey, I'm just a beginner here. Not sifu.

From what I see, most profit is around 3%. If that's the case, isn't it better to put in FD ?
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Just wish to diversify my portfolio. Majority is still in term deposit.
That's why has to get sifu advise to buy good performing UTs

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Asia pac means asia ex japan or asia? Any particular reasoning behind this thought?
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I am a sucker for that.... biggrin.gif

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tarRatings.svdo
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/artic...pdf_Summary.pdf

and what is see in your portfolio composition...you lacked that.....Asia X Japan. (= my Asia Pac)

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Just wish to diversify my portfolio. Majority is still in term deposit.
That's why has to get sifu advise to buy good performing UTs
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I definitely feel the trouble of maintaining a good investment cadence with Aberdeen due to the whopping RM500 per top up.

Assuming that once in 2 months I eke out another RM200 to top up Aberdeen, it'll still be rather sustainable, will you keep it?
Thanks for the suggestions
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i used to top up aberdeen and then realised it made up 30% of my portfolio doh.gif

so i stopped and went into Eastspring Global Leaders instead.

in terms of global exposure, u also have Global Titans, so if i were you i'll choose to top up just one of them

but of course all is up to you la laugh.gif
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i used to top up aberdeen and then realised it made up 30% of my portfolio  doh.gif

so i stopped and went into Eastspring Global Leaders instead.

in terms of global exposure, u also have Global Titans, so if i were you i'll choose to top up just one of them

but of course all is up to you la  laugh.gif
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I'm also holding Global Titan as my portfolio global exposure. But, the 'global' in naming sometimes bug me since the fund actually invest in US, EU and Japan (developed countries) only. Or is it simply because these regions pretty much covered most of the world so it is sufficient to be taken as global?
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I'm also holding Global Titan as my portfolio global exposure. But, the 'global' in naming sometimes bug me since the fund actually invest in US, EU and Japan (developed countries) only. Or is it simply because these regions pretty much covered most of the world so it is sufficient to be taken as global?
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you are right. those 3 regions directly affect global economy. Global funds, whether US-heavy or not, tend to perform similarly, give or take 1 or 2 percent.

in the US, their idea of a diversified fund is one US index fund, one global index fund and one bond fund.

we over here complicate stuff with 8-10 UT funds... what to do, no index fund

i have a colleague, a Public Mutual consultant no less, who invests in 6 funds... all Malaysian focused. doh.gif
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Hello...Take a look at my current allocations (ignore the cash management fund I suppose)

Am I already too diversified? I'm 34, have about RM800 / month to invest and have a goal of 8% average by the time I retire.

Should I look at China / India / Emerging markets as another avenue?

I worried spread too thin based on my monthly capabilities.
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Looking purely at strategy, not allocation, I would suggest putting your 800 bucks a month directly into CMF. From CMF investing into your desired allocation if and when your see fit.

RM800 will probably not be divisable evenly into you allocation as fund minimums will probably not allow it.

From an allocation standpoint, with an 8% pa target, you'd probably need to move 20-30% from CMF into your current allocation.

QUOTE(David3700 @ Sep 8 2016, 10:14 PM)
Below is my portfolio, composition, return and duration :

1. Kenanga Asia Pacific Total Return Fund : 5% : 2.6% : 6 mths
2. CIMB Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund : 5% : 2.6% : 12 mths
3. Affin Hwang Select Income Fund : 10% : 2.2% : 6 mths
4. Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund : 5% : 12.0% : 12 mths
5. Kenanga Growth Fund : 25% : (1.4%) : 12 mths
6. East Spring Investment MY Focus Fund : 5% : (3.9%) : 12 mths
7. CIMB Principal Global Titan Fund : 5% : (3.0%) : 12 mths
8. TA European Equity Fund : 30% : (0.7%) : 6 mths
9. East Spring Growth Fund : 10% : (5.7%) : 8 mths

My expected return is must be better than term deposit of 4%.
But most seems below expectation.
Sifu, any advise ?

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If your looking at 4% as a benchmark, you're taking way too much risk.

Also, the only fixed income you're holding is in AH Select Income, up to 70% of that allocation.

You'd probably want to look into your goals and allocations before looking at specific funds.

Good luck!

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I'm also holding Global Titan as my portfolio global exposure. But, the 'global' in naming sometimes bug me since the fund actually invest in US, EU and Japan (developed countries) only. Or is it simply because these regions pretty much covered most of the world so it is sufficient to be taken as global?
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Global TITANS.

Where are most of the titans listed? With the exception of some in Emerging Markets like Samsung, Rio Tinto etc, most of the big name corporations are based at and/or listed in US, Europe or Japan.
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IMO, if you have rm800 to invest per month, you should look for alternatives for Aberdeen.

minimal top up of rm500 can cause your portfolio to be unbalanced.

even if you top up Aberdeen once every 2 months, that's rm500/rm1600, 30% of your entire portfolio
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Actually if you opt for RSP, you can top up Aberdeen with only rm100 every month smile.gif
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Actually if you opt for RSP, you can top up Aberdeen with only rm100 every month  smile.gif
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really?.....in that case, someone MUST tell them to amend their FAQs.....

Q: Is there a minimum monthly investment amount for RSP?
A: Yes, the minimum monthly investment amount for RSP depends on the individual funds as stated in the factsheet.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...ings-Plan-976#9

or is it a "mistake/confused with".....
Q: Do I need to have an initial investment before starting a RSP?
A: You can start your RSP from as low as RM100 per month for most of the funds without having to fulfill the minimum initial investment amount.

What is RSP Specialist?
RSP Special List is a list of funds which enables you to start an RSP at the minimum RSP amount without required a minimum initial purchase.

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really?.....in that case, someone MUST tell them to amend their FAQs.....

Q:  Is there a minimum monthly investment amount for RSP?
A: Yes, the minimum monthly investment amount for RSP depends on the individual funds as stated in the factsheet.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...ings-Plan-976#9

or is it a "mistake/confused with".....
Q:  Do I need to have an initial investment before starting a RSP? What is RSP Specialist?
A: You can start your RSP from as low as RM100 per month for most of the funds without having to fulfill the minimum initial investment amount.
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https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...lass-A-MYABD002




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If you look into aberdeen, there is a difference between normal top up and rsp.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...lass-A-MYABD002
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What is RSP Specialist?
RSP Special List is a list of funds which enables you to start an RSP at the minimum RSP amount without required a minimum initial purchase.
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EXCEPT for RHB Institutional Islamic Money Market Fund as well as funds from CIMB-Principal Asset Management Berhad and MIDF Amanah Asset Management Berhad where you are required to invest the minimum initial investment amount first before starting the RSP.

Wish to highlight these exception just in case smile.gif
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Also, the only fixed income you're holding is in AH Select Income, up to 70% of that allocation.

You'd probably want to look into your goals and allocations before looking at specific funds.

Good luck!
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Sorry, I do not understand. Can enlighten me further ?
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Given that you only expect a return of 4% p.a., you are considered risk averse.

For a risk adverse, your fund allocation (9:1 equity to fixed income ratio) shows that you took too much risk for your expectation.

Where ideally, a risk adverse should have fund allocation on 3:7 equity to fixed income ratio.

Thus, you should readjust your return expectation or your fund allocation to understand which UT best suited your profile. smile.gif
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Given that you only expect a return of 4% p.a., you are considered risk averse.

For a risk adverse, your fund allocation (9:1 equity to fixed income ratio) shows that you took too much risk for your expectation.

Where ideally, a risk adverse should have fund allocation on 3:7 equity to fixed income ratio.

Thus, you should readjust your return expectation or your fund allocation to understand which UT best suited your profile.  smile.gif
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Thanks for the advise
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Or even just 1 evergreen performer fund will do, highly recommended

Affin Hwang Select Income Fund

Sadly no longer can be bought thru FSM, please contact Affin-Hwang directly.
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Or even just 1 evergreen performer fund will do, highly recommended

Affin Hwang Select Income Fund

Sadly no longer can be bought thru FSM, please contact Affin-Hwang directly.
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FSM shld withdraw tat fund from d list in order not to misled potential buyer
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FSM shld withdraw tat fund from d list in order not to misled potential buyer
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No. Those who bought that fund previously from FSM are allowed to continue holding their units. U have think of them or not? ranting.gif
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No. Those who bought that fund previously from FSM are allowed to continue holding their units. U have think of them or not? ranting.gif
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Any idea why FSM withdraw Affin Hwang Select Income Fund from further investment?

Buy from Affin Hwang has sales charge 3% sad.gif
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Any idea why FSM withdraw Affin Hwang Select Income Fund from further investment?

Buy from Affin Hwang has sales charge 3%  sad.gif
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It has to do with the platform fee issue, that fund was pulled out from FSM when they implemented platform fee for fixed income funds.

If u want a cover-all fund, lazy to build a portfolio. This fund won't do u wrong.

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Or even just 1 evergreen performer fund will do, highly recommended

Affin Hwang Select Income Fund

Sadly no longer can be bought thru FSM, please contact Affin-Hwang directly.
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For the same category of fund:

Affin Hwang Select Income Fund = bronze medalist yawn.gif

RHB Asian Income Fund = Gold Medalist bruce.gif

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For the same category of fund:

Affin Hwang Select Income Fund = bronze medalist  yawn.gif

RHB Asian Income Fund = Gold Medalist  bruce.gif

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Select Income is older, so not 100% comparable sleep.gif

U don't take away biz from my Esther Teo ranting.gif

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Hi I am just a humble investor. Very new to UT and especially new to DIY UT. I have been following this awesome thread and trying hard to learn from best of the crop here. This thread is truly precious. notworthy.gif

Below is my current portfolio. Have been keeping it since last year Oct. I have tweaked the initial recommended portfolio by FSM Client Investment Specialists about 4 to 5 months ago and dropped AmSchroder EEA to take up TA European EF. And also picked up EI Bond Fund. Nearly dropped Manulife India EF but luckily I preserved. Phew! icon_rolleyes.gif I think I best hang on to Manulife India EF and VA whenever I have extra cash. The volatility was a little nerve wrecking for a newbie like me.

My initial recommended portfolio was 70% equities fund, 30% fixed income fund. But I had to tweak it during the downturn and I am now roughly around 60% plus equities funds and 40% fixed income fund. I have been doing DCA diligently since the start of my portfolio but last month I have stopped the DCA since my investment amount has reached the desired percentage. So I am going to just VA from here onwards.


12.4% Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund
13.9% Kenanga Growth Fund

8.4% RHB Global Fortune Fund
10.5% CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund

13.1% CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund

3.6% TA European Equity Fund

6.6% Manulife India Equity Fund

11.5% AMB Dana Arif Class A-MYR
11.3% Eastspring Investment Bond Fund
8.7% RHB Asian Total Return Fund

6% RHB Cash Management Fund 2


I am currently thinking of dropping a bond fund. Perhaps AMB Dana Arif and go for Libra ASnita Bond Fund. Going to leave Eastspring IBF there just in case I need to shift allocation from my EISCF should things goes too crazy. I am still unsure if keeping RHB ATR on my portfolio is a good move since it does tends to drag profit abit. It really does not act much like how a bond fund should. Maybe I should just dump that sum into my RHB GFF?

I am also wondering if I have been overzealous and had over-diversified here. Although I have already checked with the friendly FSM Client Investment Specialist and assured my portfolio is still okay. By the way, I am looking at around 7 years horizon for my portfolio.

Gosh, I am still trying to figure out how to keep tabs of how much each investment profited or lost. The IRR and ROI thingy is rclxub.gif

Thank you for reading this and hope if anyone could give this lost lamb a little pointer? notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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For 4% expected return why come to UTF? And kena charge 2% sales charge for what?

Go stay comfortably at FD lar!

It is like buying a Toyota AE hachi-rouku and driving below our national speed limit. doh.gif

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Sep 9 2016, 10:21 AM)
Any idea why FSM withdraw Affin Hwang Select Income Fund from further investment?

Buy from Affin Hwang has sales charge 3%  sad.gif
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I invest a fixed sum on mthly basis buy njoy 0% sales charge tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 9 2016, 10:27 AM)
Select Income is older, so not 100% comparable sleep.gif

U don't take away biz from my Esther Teo ranting.gif

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Ok Ok, I understand where you are coming from: Esther Teo wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif

You R D4 W1NN4R!

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 9 2016, 10:27 AM)
Select Income is older, so not 100% comparable sleep.gif

U don't take away biz from my Esther Teo ranting.gif

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From the latest Affin Hwang prospectus available in FSM:

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...ctusMYHWSIF.pdf

Seems like Esther Teo is managing Select Bond Fund now instead.

The current fund managers managing Select Income Fund are as per attachment.

Need to pull biz to the right fund tongue.gif


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QUOTE(AIYH @ Sep 9 2016, 11:01 AM)
From the latest Affin Hwang prospectus available in FSM:

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...ctusMYHWSIF.pdf

Seems like Esther Teo is managing Select Bond Fund now instead.

The current fund managers managing Select Income Fund are as per attachment.

Need to pull biz to the right fund  tongue.gif
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Ooi is Esther's understudy sleep.gif
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Actually if you opt for RSP, you can top up Aberdeen with only rm100 every month  smile.gif
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Since we can't invest AFSIF from FSM, is AFSBF a comparable alternative to AFSIF in terms of allocation and return?
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 9 2016, 10:25 AM)
For the same category of fund:

Affin Hwang Select Income Fund = bronze medalist  yawn.gif

RHB Asian Income Fund = Gold Medalist  bruce.gif

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I also prefer RHB Asian Income.... Not to say Hwang no good, but my darling for Hwang is ponzi 1.0 and select bond
Select bond is much better than RHB ATR

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I invest a fixed sum on mthly basis buy njoy 0% sales charge  tongue.gif
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How? share please....

QUOTE(AIYH @ Sep 9 2016, 11:01 AM)
From the latest Affin Hwang prospectus available in FSM:

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...ctusMYHWSIF.pdf

Seems like Esther Teo is managing Select Bond Fund now instead.

The current fund managers managing Select Income Fund are as per attachment.

Need to pull biz to the right fund  tongue.gif
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That explains why I like select bond better rclxs0.gif
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I also prefer RHB Asian Income.... Not to say Hwang no good, but my darling for Hwang is ponzi 1.0 and select bond
Select bond is much better than RHB ATR
How? share please....
That explains why I like select bond better  rclxs0.gif
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So biased geh... Heh

Must be cos your also on a first name basis with the FMs, like the other forumers here...
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Hi I am just a humble investor. Very new to UT and especially new to DIY UT. I have been following this awesome thread and trying hard to learn from best of the crop here. This thread is truly precious.  notworthy.gif

Below is my current portfolio. Have been keeping it since last year Oct. I have tweaked the initial recommended portfolio by FSM Client Investment Specialists about 4 to 5 months ago and dropped AmSchroder EEA to take up TA European EF. And also picked up EI Bond Fund. Nearly dropped Manulife India EF but luckily I preserved. Phew!  icon_rolleyes.gif  I think I best hang on to Manulife India EF and VA whenever I have extra cash. The volatility was a little nerve wrecking for a newbie like me.

My initial recommended portfolio was 70% equities fund, 30% fixed income fund. But I had to tweak it during the downturn and I am now roughly around 60% plus equities funds and 40% fixed income fund. I have been doing DCA diligently since the start of my portfolio but last month I have stopped the DCA since my investment amount has reached the desired percentage. So I am going to just VA from here onwards.
12.4%  Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund
13.9%  Kenanga Growth Fund

8.4%    RHB Global Fortune Fund
10.5%  CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund

13.1%  CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund

3.6%    TA European Equity Fund

6.6%    Manulife India Equity Fund

11.5%  AMB Dana Arif Class A-MYR
11.3%  Eastspring Investment Bond Fund
8.7%    RHB Asian Total Return Fund

6%      RHB Cash Management Fund 2
I am currently thinking of dropping a bond fund. Perhaps AMB Dana Arif and go for Libra ASnita Bond Fund. Going to leave Eastspring IBF there just in case I need to shift allocation from my EISCF should things goes too crazy. I am still unsure if keeping RHB ATR on my portfolio is a good move since it does tends to drag profit abit. It really does not act much like how a bond fund should. Maybe I should just dump that sum into my RHB GFF?

I am also wondering if I have been overzealous and had over-diversified here. Although I have already checked with the friendly FSM Client Investment Specialist and assured my portfolio is still okay. By the way, I am looking at around 7 years horizon for my portfolio.

Gosh, I am still trying to figure out how to keep tabs of how much each investment profited or lost. The IRR and ROI thingy is  rclxub.gif

Thank you for reading this and hope if anyone could give this lost lamb a little pointer?  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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you're quite well diversified. having said that, TA Euro and Global Titans might as well be the same fund. Since you seem to keep 2 funds per geographical region, you can skip on topping up TA Euro Equity.

if you're looking for a bond that behaves like one, Asnita is good and so are the RHB bonds (RHB Bond and RHB Islamic Bond)
Affin Hwang Select Income and Affin Hwang Select Bond also provide identical returns but with more ups and downs. Bear in mind the Affin Hwang bond funds include Asia Ex Japan region.


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hey guys been meaning to ask, when you buy your funds do you choose your fund managers or just let the system choose the "default" fund manager. I never gave it enough through till you guys started talking about a certain female fund manager.

I couldn't find any info about choosing the right FM. does it affect anything?
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QUOTE(Styrroyds @ Sep 9 2016, 12:23 PM)
you're quite well diversified. having said that, TA Euro and Global Titans might as well be the same fund. Since you seem to keep 2 funds per geographical region, you can skip on topping up TA Euro Equity.

if you're looking for a bond that behaves like one, Asnita is good and so are the RHB bonds (RHB Bond and RHB Islamic Bond)
Affin Hwang Select Income and Affin Hwang Select Bond also provide identical returns but with more ups and downs. Bear in mind the Affin Hwang bond funds include Asia Ex Japan region.
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Thank you for your valuable pointers. thumbup.gif Actually I added TA EEF because I need something to help me get a bit of footing in the Europe ex-UK region after I dropped AmSchroder EEA and I am also interested in having EU REITs and ETFs exposures. I have yet to actively add money into this TA EEF fund as back then I was focusing on other funds of mine and Europe was a little unstable. Only begun the VA for it now after lump sum transfer from AmSchroder EEA to this fund.

As for CIMB Global Titans Fund, I suddenly felt the urge to dip a foot into the Developed Market as well for better coverage. I am not sure if this is wise. Since I already have another global fund, the RHB Global FF. Lol.

Asnita bond is really tempting right now. I like that it is performing well and rather stable too. Was considering parking more non-emergency savings under this bond. But since I kinda already have 3 bonds funds. I should really drop one of them. I already have ample exposure to Asia Ex-Japan through my Ponzi 2 fund so Affin Hwang Bond might tip the scale a little too much.


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Since we can't invest AFSIF from FSM, is AFSBF a comparable alternative to AFSIF in terms of allocation and return?
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Quite close
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hey guys been meaning to ask, when you buy your funds do you choose your fund managers or just let the system choose the "default"  fund manager. I never gave it enough through till you guys started talking about a certain female fund manager.

I couldn't find any info about choosing the right FM. does it affect anything?
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You cannot choose your fund manager doh.gif

You choose the fund(s) that your favourite fund manager manages
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Abit regret didnt top up few weeks ago when local market drop. Now rise back, not a very good moment to 'top up'. Anyone here portfolio doesnt even achieve 6% for 12 month return?
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Since we can't invest AFSIF from FSM, is AFSBF a comparable alternative to AFSIF in terms of allocation and return?
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AFSBF is select bond right? Also cannot buy from FSM jor. It's pure asian bond fund, with currency hedging. Good stuffs thumbsup.gif

QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 9 2016, 12:19 PM)
So biased geh... Heh

Must be cos your also on a first name basis with the FMs, like the other forumers here...
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 9 2016, 12:32 PM)
hey guys been meaning to ask, when you buy your funds do you choose your fund managers or just let the system choose the "default"  fund manager. I never gave it enough through till you guys started talking about a certain female fund manager.

I couldn't find any info about choosing the right FM. does it affect anything?
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Joke only la.... cannot tell meh...
Come to think of it, I've not attended a single investment talk before... quite sure that's not a pre-requisite to be a decent investor
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You cannot choose your fund manager doh.gif

You choose the fund(s) that your favourite fund manager manages
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 9 2016, 01:54 PM)
AFSBF is select bond right? Also cannot buy from FSM jor. It's pure asian bond fund, with currency hedging. Good stuffs  :thumbsup:
Joke only la.... cannot tell meh...
Come to think of it, I've not attended a single investment talk before... quite sure that's not a pre-requisite to be a decent investor
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then what's that little selection box you get upon purchasing a said fund. it says would you like to choose your fund manager or am I just making a mistake
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then what's that little selection box you get upon purchasing a said fund. it says would you like to choose your fund manager or am I just making a mistake
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doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

If u select Affin-Hwang at the 1st box, the 2nd box will show list of ONLY Affin-Hwang funds.
If u leave 1st box empty, and go direct to 2nd box, ALL funds will come out in alphabetical order.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 9 2016, 02:13 PM)
doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

If u select Affin-Hwang at the 1st box, the 2nd box will show list of ONLY Affin-Hwang funds.
If u leave 1st box empty, and go direct to 2nd box, ALL funds will come out in alphabetical order.
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hahahahahahah oh come on. its not everyday someone turns into a retard. Good that I asked no? Hahaha haha. sorry la man.

now if you would excuse me. I will now start digging a deep hole to bury my shame. I have disgraced my family's honour

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 9 2016, 02:17 PM)
hahahahahahah oh come on. its not everyday someone turns into a retard. Good that I asked no? Hahaha haha. sorry la man.

now if you would excuse me. I will now start digging a deep hole to bury my shame. I have disgraced my family's honour
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Kalau boleh select fund manager, I'd select Jho Low innocent.gif

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QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 9 2016, 12:41 PM)
Thank you for your valuable pointers.  thumbup.gif  Actually I added TA EEF because I need something to help me get a bit of footing in the Europe ex-UK region after I dropped AmSchroder EEA and I am also interested in having EU REITs and ETFs exposures. I have yet to actively add money into this TA EEF fund as back then I was focusing on other funds of mine and Europe was a little unstable. Only begun the VA for it now after lump sum transfer from AmSchroder EEA to this fund.

As for CIMB Global Titans Fund, I suddenly felt the urge to dip a foot into the Developed Market as well for better coverage. I am not sure if this is wise. Since I already have another global fund, the RHB Global FF. Lol.

Asnita bond is really tempting right now. I like that it is performing well and rather stable too. Was considering parking more non-emergency savings under this bond. But since I kinda already have 3 bonds funds. I should really drop one of them. I already have ample exposure to Asia Ex-Japan through my Ponzi 2 fund so Affin Hwang Bond might tip the scale a little too much.
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For a newbie, your portfolio list very long, like train rail....
Have you think of Quality vs Quantity of the funds?
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Sep 9 2016, 02:43 PM)
For a newbie, your portfolio list very long, like train rail....
Have you think of Quality vs Quantity of the funds?
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Yup that is why I am having doubts and asked my FSM Client Investment Specialist about my portfolio last month or so since it's close to a year now. I did asked him if it is overdiversified and if I should drop a couple of funds. Somehow he gave me the 'okay' and said the diversification is fine and it is okay to keep the current portfolio. Then I was thinking perhaps checking with all the Sifus here no harm also.

I am really no good at maths. sweat.gif Just a girl trying to learn from all the big boys and big sisters here. notworthy.gif

Any suggestion on which fund to cut or which bond I should drop in favor of Asnita Bond?

Thanks.
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QUOTE(mois @ Sep 9 2016, 01:45 PM)
Abit regret didnt top up few weeks ago when local market drop. Now rise back, not a very good moment to 'top up'. Anyone here portfolio doesnt even achieve 6% for 12 month return?
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there are forummers that posted their portfolio's IRR at < 4% ..... after investing > 3yrs.
guess, they among other things went in at the wrong time.
just like those that went in heavy in M'sia thru previous local champions funds for the past 1 yr....
their returns is not as expected of their reputations......but what can they do...Bolehland mkt is just in need of Viagra.
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QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 9 2016, 02:53 PM)
I am really no good at maths.  sweat.gif  Just a girl trying to learn from all the big boys and big sisters here.  notworthy.gif
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calling pink spider calling.....
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 9 2016, 01:54 PM)
AFSBF is select bond right? Also cannot buy from FSM jor. It's pure asian bond fund, with currency hedging. Good stuffs  thumbsup.gif
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No chance to enter AHSIF and AHSBF through FSM then cry.gif

guess i will just stick back to RHB AIF biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Sep 9 2016, 02:59 PM)
No chance to enter AHSIF and AHSBF through FSM then  cry.gif

guess i will just stick back to RHB AIF  biggrin.gif
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Still waiting for wil-i-am to tell us how he buy on monthly RSP at 0% sales charge lor

Full disclosure - I buy Select Bond from our inhouse UTC lukenn cool2.gif

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Full disclosure - I buy Select Bond from our inhouse UTC lukenn  cool2.gif
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hmm.gif i may be over sensitive,...but if i can recall..somewhere last month there seems to be some "bad" blood postings by you..
sorry if i am wrong..
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 9 2016, 03:12 PM)
hmm.gif i may be over sensitive,...but if i can recall..somewhere last month there seems to be some "bad" blood postings by you..
sorry if i am wrong..
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Yeah wor... Must be because the AH Select Bond I recommended to dasecret lost so much money, then kena scolding.... 😥😥
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 9 2016, 10:31 AM)
For 4% expected return why come to UTF? And kena charge 2% sales charge for what?

Go stay comfortably at FD lar!

It is like buying a Toyota AE hachi-rouku and driving below our national speed limit.  doh.gif

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Cannot say like that. I means better to have a min 4%, of course the more the better lah.
Have to gamble a bit. All put in FD also very xian.....
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rclxms.gif thanks.....for the enlightenment.....

lee82gx, your concern no more.
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Hi all seniors, I have some dumb question here....
How long shall an UT be kept ?
Is it like shares or forex that you buy low and sell high, then wait for it drop and buy again ?
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How long should UT be kept?

It depends on whether we are traders or long term investors. Some of the investors here are long term, some are traders and some are a mixture of both (like myself).

The average period should be about 3 to 5 years to ride out the fluctuations in the market.

P/S: One last category is the one time investor. These are the investors who invested one lump sum at the height of the markets, got burnt and then swore off unit trust investing forever because it is "cheating money".

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QUOTE(David3700 @ Sep 9 2016, 04:56 PM)
Hi all seniors, I have some dumb question here....
How long shall an UT be kept ?
Is it like shares or forex that you buy low and sell high, then wait for it drop and buy again ?
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That depends on your investment time horizon and liquidity needs.

Trying to time it to sell at the high and buy at the low is not easy and you may miss appreciation opportunities.

Usually you would use Ringgit Cost averaging which is buying every month or every year a little bit.

UT is different from Forex and Shares as there is Annual Management Charge,Annual Expense Ratio and Trustee Fee which add up over time.

So you have to decide what is your investment plan and execute from there.
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 9 2016, 03:12 PM)
hmm.gif i may be over sensitive,...but if i can recall..somewhere last month there seems to be some "bad" blood postings by you..
sorry if i am wrong..
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Err... lost? What kind of bad blood? I thought I always bad blood with every other person

Usually public mutual kena the most, saving plans insurance also

Even FSM when they don't sell select bond to me at 0% SC rclxs0.gif
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How? share please....
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Hahaha...
I have a special relationship with Lenglui brows.gif
IJK... I know 1 of the "H" n "C" personally
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QUOTE(David3700 @ Sep 9 2016, 04:56 PM)
Hi all seniors, I have some dumb question here....
How long shall an UT be kept ?
Is it like shares or forex that you buy low and sell high, then wait for it drop and buy again ?
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Is it like shares or forex that you buy low and sell high, then wait for it drop and buy again ?
This is done by the FM of the UT...they will most probably sell off those higher valuation stocks and buy those seems to be lower valued stocks.

UTs investors would normally allocate into sectors/country/regions or mkts ratios according to their risk appetite to form a portfolio ....
When that segment is deemed to be of higher valued,...they would reduce the allocation to it or bring it back to their targeted % of allocation....

usually that is what they call rebalancing....

What To Do If Certain Markets Are Getting Expensive?
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...SJBlog_20150402

Rebalanced my portfolio for 2014
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...SJBlog_20131227

The Importance of Rebalancing A Portfolio
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Portfolio-5374

the above was some of my good sunday read stuffs.....


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Would like to ask opinion on % of allocation in core and supplementary portfolio , did you all practice the recommendation by FSM which supplementary portfolio (small cap, sector,reits, single country) not more than 20% of total portfolio?

Personally my portfolio around 40% in supplementary portfolio( due to heavy in eastspring small cap ∼15%, reits) in which FSM advisor recommend to change to core one. What u all think ?

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QUOTE(kl_123 @ Sep 9 2016, 06:47 PM)
Would like to ask opinion on % of allocation in core and supplementary portfolio , did you all practice the recommendation by FSM which supplementary portfolio (small cap, sector, single country) not more than 20% of total portfolio?

Personally my portfolio around 40% in supplementary portfolio( due to heavy in eastspring small cap) in which FSM advisor recommend to change to core one. What u all think ?
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I think many here don't follow the recommended %....
each have their own outlook and faith in their selection...some follows zuxen's ball and some don't, in which for many times they are wrong, many times too they are corrects... biggrin.gif
it is their money and their choices....
UNLESS, they have given up hope on their own selections and some one else to suggest for them

40% and heavy in Small cap.....if you can take the heat...ok lor....but many qualified SIFUs would says that it is NOT good....
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 9 2016, 06:05 PM)
Is it like shares or forex that you buy low and sell high, then wait for it drop and buy again ?
This is done by the FM of the UT...they will most probably sell off those higher valuation stocks and buy those seems to be lower valued stocks.

UTs investors would normally allocate into sectors/country/regions or mkts ratios according to their risk appetite to form a portfolio ....
When that segment is deemed to be of higher valued,...they would reduce the allocation to it or bring it back to their targeted % of allocation....

usually that is what they call rebalancing....

What To Do If Certain Markets Are Getting Expensive?
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...SJBlog_20150402

Rebalanced my portfolio for 2014
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...SJBlog_20131227

The Importance of Rebalancing A Portfolio
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Portfolio-5374

the above was some of my good sunday read stuffs.....
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Great. Will try to digest them....
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Hi all seniors, I have some dumb question here....
How long shall an UT be kept ?
Is it like shares or forex that you buy low and sell high, then wait for it drop and buy again ?
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You're not asking the right questions.

My question to you : What is the purpose that you're investing?
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You're not asking the right questions.

My question to you : What is the purpose that you're investing?
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Earn money of course. Just not familiar with how to maximize return in UT biggrin.gif
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For me purpose of jumping into UT is because it is not as high risk as shares since we have FM to do the hardwork for us. And I want my money to work harder to stay on top of inflation and of course beat the FD rates. Haha. Sighhh but right now my portfolio return isn't that great. But I have heard it's normal for portfolio that is only about 1 year to not have much visible gain. Needs time and opportunity to build the momentum. Is that correct?

Anyways, I firmly believe 3 year is the minimum how long you should preserve a fund. For me I am trying my best to go beyond that to 7 years since I am heavy on Equity with high risk.

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Earn money of course. Just not familiar with how to maximize return in UT  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 9 2016, 10:34 PM)
For me purpose is jumping into UT is because it's not as high risk as shares since we have FM to do the hardwork for us. And I want my money to work harder to stay on top of inflation and of course beat the FD rates. Haha. Sighhh but right now my portfolio return isn't that great. But I have heard it's normal for portfolio that is only about 1 year to not have much visible gain. Needs time and opportunity to build the momentum. Is that correct?

Anyways, I firmly believe 3 year is the minimum how long you should preserve a fund. For me I am trying my best to go beyond that to 7 years since I am heavy on Equity with high risk.
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try page# 11, post# 210
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 9 2016, 02:55 PM)
there are forummers that posted their portfolio's IRR at < 4% ..... after investing > 3yrs.
guess, they among other things went in at the wrong time.
just like those that went in heavy in M'sia thru previous local champions funds for the past 1 yr....
their returns is not as expected of their reputations......but what can they do...Bolehland mkt is just in need of Viagra.
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Thanks. I did note that during the time I started my portfolio in Oct 2015 most funds already high priced. At their peak I think. Then after creating the portfolio, money pumped in and all that, the market started to go down hill from there on till now only I get to see it picks up again. If not for the DCA maybe I wouldn't even see much positive to my portfolio right this moment. Also thank god I went along with diversification. So not too bad. It somewhat cushion the fall.

Are you luckier than me when you first started your portfolio at FSM? Did you manage to hit >6% back then?

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Hahaha...
I have a special relationship with Lenglui  brows.gif
IJK... I know 1 of the "H" n "C" personally
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Didn't quite understand the "H" and "C"... but anyway sounds like I just gotta kwai kwai pay SC to buy select bond lor.... even with SC the IRR is a respectable 8+%, still worth it la

QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 9 2016, 10:28 AM)
Hi I am just a humble investor. Very new to UT and especially new to DIY UT. I have been following this awesome thread and trying hard to learn from best of the crop here. This thread is truly precious.  notworthy.gif

Below is my current portfolio. Have been keeping it since last year Oct. I have tweaked the initial recommended portfolio by FSM Client Investment Specialists about 4 to 5 months ago and dropped AmSchroder EEA to take up TA European EF. And also picked up EI Bond Fund. Nearly dropped Manulife India EF but luckily I preserved. Phew!  icon_rolleyes.gif  I think I best hang on to Manulife India EF and VA whenever I have extra cash. The volatility was a little nerve wrecking for a newbie like me.

My initial recommended portfolio was 70% equities fund, 30% fixed income fund. But I had to tweak it during the downturn and I am now roughly around 60% plus equities funds and 40% fixed income fund. I have been doing DCA diligently since the start of my portfolio but last month I have stopped the DCA since my investment amount has reached the desired percentage. So I am going to just VA from here onwards.
12.4%  Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund
13.9%  Kenanga Growth Fund

8.4%    RHB Global Fortune Fund
10.5%  CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund

13.1%  CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund

3.6%    TA European Equity Fund

6.6%    Manulife India Equity Fund

11.5%  AMB Dana Arif Class A-MYR
11.3%  Eastspring Investment Bond Fund
8.7%    RHB Asian Total Return Fund

6%      RHB Cash Management Fund 2
I am currently thinking of dropping a bond fund. Perhaps AMB Dana Arif and go for Libra ASnita Bond Fund. Going to leave Eastspring IBF there just in case I need to shift allocation from my EISCF should things goes too crazy. I am still unsure if keeping RHB ATR on my portfolio is a good move since it does tends to drag profit abit. It really does not act much like how a bond fund should. Maybe I should just dump that sum into my RHB GFF?

I am also wondering if I have been overzealous and had over-diversified here. Although I have already checked with the friendly FSM Client Investment Specialist and assured my portfolio is still okay. By the way, I am looking at around 7 years horizon for my portfolio.

Gosh, I am still trying to figure out how to keep tabs of how much each investment profited or lost. The IRR and ROI thingy is  rclxub.gif

Thank you for reading this and hope if anyone could give this lost lamb a little pointer?  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 9 2016, 11:15 PM)
Thanks. I did note that during the time I started my portfolio in Oct 2015 most funds already high priced. At their peak I think. Then after creating the portfolio, money pumped in and all that, the market started to go down hill from there on till now only I get to see it picks up again. If not for the DCA maybe I wouldn't even see much positive to my portfolio right this moment. Also thank god I went along with diversification. So not too bad. It somewhat cushion the fall.

Are you luckier than me when you first started your portfolio at FSM? Did you manage to hit >6% back then?
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Hello fellow female forumer, glad to see more of the 'fairer' sex around thumbsup.gif

I was more itchy finger when I first started off, so it's not that bad, but if you want to trim, you can

Bond fund
I agree with your plan, drop AMB Dana Arif to pick up Asnita bond, why? See diagram
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AMB Dana Arif is consistently below both EI bond and Asnita bond

In the same chart, I've another suggestion for you
Since buying AH select bond is not an option on FSM, you can consider switching the RHB ATR to RHB Asian Income fund. Why? ATR has higher volatility despite being a pure bond fund while Asian Income fund is a balanced fund with more consistent performance. But, will attract sales charge, this switch

Now, developed markets, do you really need 3 funds?
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All 3 move in very similar directions lor. Personally I used to have RHB GEYF and didn't like it, alway lagged the other players. So if I'm you I would switch out of the Global Fortune Fund. But into what... I'm not sure if I want such a high developed markets exposure, GTF have not done well since beginning of the year

Lastly, I too started a portfolio in Oct 2015. It's doing ok, ROI 5.x% and I'm very glad that I took the RSP route instead of lumpsum. Otherwise it may still be in the red
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 10 2016, 12:20 AM)
Didn't quite understand the "H" and "C"... but anyway sounds like I just gotta kwai kwai pay SC to buy select bond lor.... even with SC the IRR is a respectable 8+%, still worth it la
Hello fellow female forumer, glad to see more of the 'fairer' sex around  thumbsup.gif

I was more itchy finger when I first started off, so it's not that bad, but if you want to trim, you can

Bond fund
I agree with your plan, drop AMB Dana Arif to pick up Asnita bond, why? See diagram
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AMB Dana Arif is consistently below both EI bond and Asnita bond

In the same chart, I've another suggestion for you
Since buying AH select bond is not an option on FSM, you can consider switching the RHB ATR to RHB Asian Income fund. Why? ATR has higher volatility despite being a pure bond fund while Asian Income fund is a balanced fund with more consistent performance. But, will attract sales charge, this switch

Now, developed markets, do you really need 3 funds?
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All 3 move in very similar directions lor. Personally I used to have RHB GEYF and didn't like it, alway lagged the other players. So if I'm you I would switch out of the Global Fortune Fund. But into what... I'm not sure if I want such a high developed markets exposure, GTF have not done well since beginning of the year

Lastly, I too started a portfolio in Oct 2015. It's doing ok, ROI 5.x% and I'm very glad that I took the RSP route instead of lumpsum. Otherwise it may still be in the red
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Hello to you too. I am also glad to meet another fairer sex here. icon_rolleyes.gif Thanks for your valuable input. It clears alot of clouds for me. thumbup.gif

It is about time for me to rebalance my portfolio and perhaps do a bit of trimming for it to be more effective for my goals. Need to sharpen the arrow head for a truer aim. I just need to get my head off the clouds and master this diversification trick and balancing of funds.

I think I am going for Asnita and dropping AMB Dana Arif for it. I picked AMB Dana Arif over Asnita last time because I was still so fresh in UT and was afraid to lump sum into Asnita. That bond needs 1K to buy in. But now after seeing how Asnita performed and looking at its sharpe ratio I am regretting my initial decision. My portfolio would have seen so much better gains should that not be the case. Asian Income Funds does look appealing especially during times of so much uncertainties. So far my ATR has been quite a laggard. Only currently seeing gains from it. It really isn't a good fixed income to cushion falls especially in current market situation. Then again, perhaps it was recommended to me as part of my portfolio since I am looking at 7 years horizon. I will need to go study Asian Income Funds a bit further to see if it fits my aim.

RHB GFF was recommended by FSM CIS when I first built my portfolio. It was later that I added CIMB Global Titans thinking that it would give me exposure to developed markets for diversification. And then I added TA EEF as I thought I needed to substitute for AmSchroder after dropping it since this TA EEF was an alternate fund to AmSchroder that the FSM CIS has recommended in that portfolio he built for me. I didn't know all 3 are really under the Developed Markets category and moving pretty much in the same direction with each other. doh.gif Perhaps maintaining TA EEF and dropping RHB GFF might be more effective?

You ROI is good. May I know what funds you have in your portfolio? Just curious since we both started in Oct last year.


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You ROI is good. May I know what funds you have in your portfolio? Just curious since we both started in Oct last year.
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This is applying what I learned after 2 years of DIY investing on a portfolio I manage on behalf, but eventually also itchy finger and added smart balanced fund when it fell quite a bit last month blush.gif

60EQ:40FI .... ish
Actually my RHB ATR IRR is 6.94%, not that bad really. Main laggard is GTF, just broke even
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 10 2016, 12:20 AM)
Didn't quite understand the "H" and "C"... but anyway sounds like I just gotta kwai kwai pay SC to buy select bond lor.... even with SC the IRR is a respectable 8+%, still worth it la

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Ya, what is that "H" and "C" la, share la..



QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 10 2016, 12:20 AM)


Lastly, I too started a portfolio in Oct 2015. It's doing ok, ROI 5.x% and I'm very glad that I took the RSP route instead of lumpsum. Otherwise it may still be in the red
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i started 29/10/13 lump sum 100k. then i sell when i see profit up, and buy when i see it down. Guess what so far i have sold off RM166k. My IRR bolehtahan jugak at 7.68%, would have been higher if not for that mistake commode from Am, losing money from D1, today still -RM6160!

no so called RSP etc. would u say this is lucky?
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This is applying what I learned after 2 years of DIY investing on a portfolio I manage on behalf, but eventually also itchy finger and added smart balanced fund when it fell quite a bit last month  blush.gif

60EQ:40FI .... ish
Actually my RHB ATR IRR is 6.94%, not that bad really. Main laggard is GTF, just broke even
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Thanks for sharing your portfolio. I am beginning to see the appeal and benefit of having a smaller portfolio rather than having to maintain and look after too many funds. Less funds makes rebalancing and also DCA much easier to manage and not so easy to tip original planned % too much whenever you do a VA. hmm.gif

I am also currently trying to maintain a 60EQ:40FI environment for my portfolio at least until things goes smoother sailing. sweat.gif

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i started 29/10/13 lump sum 100k. then i sell when i see profit up, and buy when i see it down. Guess what so far i have sold off RM166k. My IRR bolehtahan jugak at 7.68%, would have been higher if not  for that mistake commode from Am, losing money from D1, today still -RM6160!

no  so called RSP etc. would u say this is lucky?
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Hats off to you lor... Made good money. I'm by the book and no where close

Anyway, I think something wrong with your RHB GEYF ROI. The fund has not made so well in the past 3 years and your IRR and ROI also don't correspond
Sorry.... bean counter punya obsession
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Thanks for sharing your portfolio. I am beginning to see the appeal and benefit of having a smaller portfolio rather than having to maintain and look after too many funds. Less funds makes rebalancing and also DCA much easier to manage and not so easy to tip original planned % too much whenever you do a VA.  hmm.gif

I am also currently trying to maintain a 60EQ:40FI environment for my portfolio at least until things goes smoother sailing.  sweat.gif
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Also be careful of the annual expense ratio as when the market goes sideways or downwards that will start to eat into your return over time.

For your developed market funds :
RHB Global Fortune Fund
CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund
TA European Equity Fund

All three overlap quite a bit just as dasecret said so it would be best to choose one.

The worst at least in my opinion is RHB Global Fortune Fund as it has underperform the benchmark for quite a while. The CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund is also starting to underperform the benchmark too.

Also all 3 are funds of funds and they don't pick stock or bonds themselves.


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US market closed 2% lower.
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 10 2016, 12:20 AM)
Didn't quite understand the "H" and "C"... but anyway sounds like I just gotta kwai kwai pay SC to buy select bond lor.... even with SC the IRR is a respectable 8+%, still worth it la
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Wat I meant was:
H = Head of xxxxx
C = Chief xxxxx Officer
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.... your IRR and ROI also don't correspond.

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Lol ... But what do I know right? Excel pun tak erti...

Hahahahah
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Wat I meant was:
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C = Chief xxxxx Officer
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Warh riao ehhh... U must be some big shot investor sampai the taikor all know you.

Prees can share some investment tipsy. smile.gif
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Warh riao ehhh... U must be some big shot investor sampai the taikor all know you.

Prees can share some investment tipsy. smile.gif
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No big shot la...
Just a small fly cari makan here n there
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The last few posts back brought tears of joy to my eyes.

No longer are forumers posting talk about whether to invest ex-distribution or not etc...

Now they are talking about proper asset allocation, about DCA and about low correlation etc...

Good job to all those veteran UTF investors for educating ignorant and naïve investors. Great that there are investors who as though held high in the darkest night a bright lamp so that those who do not have a light of their own can see with clear vision.

Give yourself a good rclxms.gif and thumbsup.gif

Just as there were a herd of elephants who are lost deep inside the forest. Trees and thick jungle thicket cloud their view and judgement. Such ignorance caused them fear, anxiety and bewilderment to make unsteady decisions. Along came a good experienced bull elephant, trained and tamed in the service of a worthy king and who sitting on top of its neck is a mahout worthy of the king's service, lead these herd of elephant to a wide grass field. Now, these herd of elephant having seen the wide clear field, gain steadfastness in their decision, no longer subject to fear, anxiety and bewilderment.

May all continue to Huat Huat Huat! thumbsup.gif

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dasecret Traitor, this is a FSM, a UTF DIY site, how could you let a UTC to hand hold and mollycoddle you? This is treason! shakehead.gif

Your punishment is buy PM funds for the next six months paying full Sales Charge!

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QUOTE(David3700 @ Sep 9 2016, 10:04 PM)
Earn money of course. Just not familiar with how to maximize return in UT  biggrin.gif
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earn $?
lottery or genting not a consideration?
why not FD?

earning $ itself is only 1 portion to the WHY one is investing via UT or stocks or bonds or blackjack/poker bruce.gif
risk/reward level acceptable?
time/duration that $ is need back?
tax optimized?
etc etc.

"when student is ready to learn, sifus will appear"
i'm still asking / looking notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 10 2016, 09:59 AM)
earn $?
lottery or genting not a consideration?
why not FD?

earning $ itself is only 1 portion to the WHY one is investing via UT or stocks or bonds or blackjack/poker  bruce.gif
risk/reward level acceptable?
time/duration that $ is need back?
tax optimized?
etc etc.

"when student is ready to learn, sifus will appear"
i'm still asking / looking notworthy.gif
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IMO,
Chance of winning lottery is one in thousands.
Genting ppl say 10 times gamble lose 9 times.
FD interest barely cover inflation.
Shares only have bullets to buy limited counters. Riskier than UT.

Not urgent. I need the money for retirement. Still have 10 more years.

So, isn't UT is the best choice ?


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QUOTE(David3700 @ Sep 10 2016, 11:38 AM)
IMO,
Chance of winning lottery is one in thousands.
Genting ppl say 10 times gamble lose 9 times.
FD interest barely cover inflation.
Shares only have bullets to buy limited counters. Riskier than UT.

Not urgent. I need the money for retirement. Still have 10 more years.

So, isn't UT is the best choice ?
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1. Do U know that equity UTs = basket of shares?

2. Thus, can UT be LESS risky than shares?
ya ya - spread out thus not risk in 1 company's shares BUT still stock market / shares "risk level"

3. FD barely covers inflation?
IMHO, it depends on one's personal inflation - ignore the consensus.
If i have $1M and put in FD, get 4%pa ie $40K pa, spend only $25K pa and reinvest the $15K
When will concensus inflation kill me ar?

4. Bonus answer
Do U know there are "shares like UTs"?
They be called Exchange Traded Funds - ETFs

There is NO such thing as best choice - best for what & why & when?
lt's akin to saying weight training is the best choice for fitness/health then going on to ask what best sets/reps
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what is the health/fitness goal? time available? pain thresh-hold? already eating well / good diet? blah blah - then only do a holistically planned approach.

With the responses U provided, i'd be very surprise if any real sifus can advise U which /what to buy /how long to hold UTs etc.
U still haven't found your "WHYs & WHENs & HOW MUCH"

eg
can guide a person asking - i want to make $.
how much? dunno - as much as possible la
by when? er.. a few years la
for what? er.. make munnee la
can guide such souls other than "go buy 1 lottery ticket to infinitely increase your chances for $3M or jackpot, BUY 2 to double that" tongue.gif

sorry.. old fart blabbering notworthy.gif

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Saturday (reminder) lesson from Pinky:

Comparison with benchmark

Evaluation of a fund against its benchmark is a meaningless exercise if you do not have access or the means to invest in the benchmark yourself.

So long as the fund performed commendably against its PEERS that you have access to and it fits your long-term investment agenda, it is a good fund.

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dasecret Traitor, this is a FSM, a UTF DIY site, how could you let a UTC to hand hold and mollycoddle you? This is treason!  shakehead.gif

Your punishment is buy PM funds for the next six months paying full Sales Charge!

Xuzen
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Yeah wor, why she willing to pay full when she can get low/no sc on FSM. Summore so much good investment advice here on the forum, for free, no less....

Why can save money she don't want to save?! Kennot be....

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No big shot la...
Just a small fly cari makan here n there
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You must have met them when you were interviewing fund managers here and there to place your private mandate, right?

Didn't work out with AH cos the RM3m minimum didn't feel exclusive enough ya?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 10 2016, 02:56 PM)
Saturday (reminder) lesson from Pinky:

Comparison with benchmark

Evaluation of a fund against its benchmark is a meaningless exercise if you do not have access or the means to invest in the benchmark yourself.

So long as the fund performed commendably against its PEERS that you have access to and it fits your long-term investment agenda, it is a good fund.
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Q: Benchmark
A: An index that unit trusts and mutual funds measure themselves against. Those that outperform the index are generally considered to be doing well and vice versa

Bench mark could be set too low....
Benchmark could be set too high, or
Benchmark could be set just right or
Benchmark could be irrelevant.....??

Benchmarks are measuring devices not portfolio construction tools

http://www.aberdeen-asset.com/doc.nsf/Lit/...nstructiontools

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 10 2016, 02:56 PM)
Saturday (reminder) lesson from Pinky:

Comparison with benchmark

Evaluation of a fund against its benchmark is a meaningless exercise if you do not have access or the means to invest in the benchmark yourself.

So long as the fund performed commendably against its PEERS that you have access to and it fits your long-term investment agenda, it is a good fund.
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So, Aladdin is ok?
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Hats off to you lor... Made good money. I'm by the book and no where close

Anyway, I think something wrong with your RHB GEYF ROI. The fund has not made so well in the past 3 years and your IRR and ROI also don't correspond
Sorry.... bean counter punya obsession
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Before going into the details, what was summarised in the spreadsheet, "Entrance value" and his one-time lumpsum value of 100k is already out of tally.

A one-time investment does not need the excel function XIRR to calculate the IRR. The simple CAGR formula could do the job. Based on the current values of his 9 funds, they totaled to about 118.46k or an ROI of 18.46% or IRR (CAGR) of 6.1%.


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Also be careful of the annual expense ratio as when the market goes sideways or downwards that will start to eat into your return over time.

For your developed market funds :
RHB Global Fortune Fund
CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund
TA European Equity Fund

All three overlap quite a bit just as dasecret said so it would be best to choose one.

The worst at least in my opinion is RHB Global Fortune Fund as it has underperform the benchmark for quite a while. The CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund is also starting to underperform the benchmark too.

Also all 3 are funds of funds and they don't pick stock or bonds themselves.
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Yay! Thanks for putting money in my pocket. That is a really awesome pointer. rclxm9.gif I truly forgotten about that part about the annual expense with the market movement effect on it. Must note it down for reference and as reminder. This thread is golden. Everyone is very helpful to lost fishes. thumbup.gif Guiding baby fishes along the way and giving them a chance to mature with the shoal and school everyone together to the right direction. notworthy.gif

I did need to look into my 3 overlapping developed market funds. Perhaps keeping only TA European EF would be best? But I might as well switch it to TA GTF since I need to do my yearly overhaul and seeing that TA GTF has outperformed its peers rather consistently. It carries higher risk but it is a much newer fund that the rest of its peers and fund size is small and easier to manage. I really got to put my head into this global fund thing and decide on one firmly since I need to hang on to it for a long time. sweat.gif

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The last few posts back brought tears of joy to my eyes.

No longer are forumers posting talk about whether to invest ex-distribution or not etc...

Now they are talking about proper asset allocation, about DCA and about low correlation etc...

Good job to all those veteran UTF investors for educating ignorant and naïve investors. Great that there are investors who as though held high in the darkest night a bright lamp so that those who do not have a light of their own can see with clear vision.

Give yourself a good  rclxms.gif  and  thumbsup.gif

Just as there were a herd of elephants who are lost deep inside the forest. Trees and thick jungle thicket cloud their view and judgement. Such ignorance caused them fear, anxiety and bewilderment to make unsteady decisions. Along came a good experienced bull elephant, trained and tamed in the service of a worthy king and who sitting on top of its neck is a mahout worthy of the king's service, lead these herd of elephant to a wide grass field. Now, these herd of elephant having seen the wide clear field, gain steadfastness in their decision, no longer subject to fear, anxiety and bewilderment.

May all continue to Huat Huat Huat!  thumbsup.gif

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So agree with this statement. This thread is golden. I've picked up a lot of things from here. I tried reading textbooks on UT but couldn't stay awake for it. Ahahaha. Learning here is much more faster and 'relevant'.

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Hi everyone,

I am trying to compare CIMB Global Titans with TA Global Technology. While TA GTF has outperformed its peers rather consistently but it was under-performing its benchmark. While CIMB Global Titan's performance is slightly below TA GTF but it has outperformed its benchmark consistently. Now I am confused as to which would deemed to be a healthier fund to invest in? Sharpe ratio and volatility wise both aren't too far off each other.

Although choosing TA GTF would means not more overlapping to Japan and Malaysia equities market which I have already covered with my other funds rather heavily. And choosing to stay with CIMB Global Titans would have said overlapping effect but it also means I have some footing in Europe as well, which is good.

This is not going to be easy isn't it? rclxub.gif Lol

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Hi everyone,

I am trying to compare CIMB Global Titans with TA Global Technology...

This is not going to be easy isn't it? rclxub.gif  Lol
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Yup, it is obviously not easy... else we can conduct a poll and goes with the most votes.

1. The numbers are past history... while we are investing for the future. And everyone can speculates...

2. It would still boils down to his/her individual objective, and how they invest... ie. 1-time lumpsum or DCA, how long is the DCA, how much is the DCA out of his/her salary and savings... etc. etc.

3. There are other things to consider too, depending on the individual's objective and investment means,
- which fund company should he select... how stable is it? Will it present any anxiety when there is any adverse news on the economy? Will it be there?

- what are the other funds the fund company also have, such that inter-fund switch can be done without doing a sell and buy another fund in another company, without paying the service charge again. Switching fees can gradually adds up to a huge sum... but it would still be cheaper than paying service charges again and again.

4. If doing DCA, it would boils down to which fund would you like to regularly invest/buy without any further anxiety, ie. no need to think twice whether you should continue on with the fund whenever you want to buy.



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Hi everyone,

I am trying to compare CIMB Global Titans with TA Global Technology. While TA GTF has outperformed its peers rather consistently but it was under-performing its benchmark. While CIMB Global Titan's performance is slightly below TA GTF but it has outperformed its benchmark consistently. Now I am confused as to which would deemed to be a healthier fund to invest in? Sharpe ratio and volatility wise both aren't too far off each other.

Although choosing TA GTF would means not more overlapping to Japan and Malaysia equities market which I have already covered with my other funds rather heavily. And choosing to stay with CIMB Global Titans would have said overlapping effect but it also means I have some footing in Europe as well, which is good. 

This is not going to be easy isn't it? rclxub.gif  Lol
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I had the dilemma once since I also have global titans fund in my portfolio. To save all the headaches, if it ain't broken, don't fix it. at least i see it that way.
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QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 10 2016, 04:48 PM)
Hi everyone,

I am trying to compare CIMB Global Titans with TA Global Technology. While TA GTF has outperformed its peers rather consistently but it was under-performing its benchmark. While CIMB Global Titan's performance is slightly below TA GTF but it has outperformed its benchmark consistently. Now I am confused as to which would deemed to be a healthier fund to invest in? Sharpe ratio and volatility wise both aren't too far off each other.

Although choosing TA GTF would means not more overlapping to Japan and Malaysia equities market which I have already covered with my other funds rather heavily. And choosing to stay with CIMB Global Titans would have said overlapping effect but it also means I have some footing in Europe as well, which is good. 

This is not going to be easy isn't it? rclxub.gif  Lol
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you had 10.5% CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund
I would suggest you stick with it
(increase more if that risk appetite allow it)......b'cos I think 40% of that 10.5% in US is just too little for a portfolio.

for that TA GTF...it is a single segment or focused fund......try add no more than 5% in yr portfolio b'cos CIMB GTF also has some similar holdings as TA GTF.

you already have 3.6% TA European Equity Fund
why do you say "And choosing to stay with CIMB Global Titans would have said overlapping effect but it also means I have some footing in Europe as well, which is good".


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Yup, it is obviously not easy... else we can conduct a poll and goes with the most votes.

1. The numbers are past history... while we are investing for the future. And everyone can speculates...

2. It would still boils down to his/her individual objective, and how they invest... ie. 1-time lumpsum or DCA, how long is the DCA, how much is the DCA out of his/her salary and savings... etc. etc.

3. There are other things to consider too, depending on the individual's objective and investment means,
- which fund company should he select... how stable is it? Will it present any anxiety when there is any adverse news on the economy? Will it be there?

- what are the other funds the fund company also have, such that inter-fund switch can be done without doing a sell and buy another fund in another company, without paying the service charge again. Switching fees can gradually adds up to a huge sum... but it would still be cheaper than paying service charges again and again.

4. If doing DCA, it would boils down to which fund would you like to regularly invest/buy without any further anxiety, ie. no need to think twice whether you should continue on with the fund whenever you want to buy.
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Thanks. From your valuable input. icon_rolleyes.gif After considering your advise. I would believe in my case, staying with CIMB Global Titans would be much more beneficial to me since CIMB mananged UTs aren't doing half bad and are amongst the best out there more so than TA management. Should be able to offer much more stability there in terms of management. And since I have Ponzi 2 in my portfolio I might make be able to make good use of the intra fund switch with Global Titans someday. Actually that is one of my plan when I later added Global Titans.

I have been diligently doing DCA since from the start and had just stopped the RSP sometime last month or so due to some personal funds issue. I was also considering VA over DCA. Both are more or less the same just that the latter removes the emotion for us - less pain I think. Haha. biggrin.gif

At the moment, I planned on doing monthly contribution to each funds but this time via VA style. Trying to be more involved with the process so that I could perhaps learn more from managing it. There's cons in that really. I had to stay more objective and take all the additional noises in the market with more than a grain of salt to keep from jerking my knee unnecessarily and hurting my portfolio with reckless moves. Easier said than done. But I am going to try it and see what happens from there. My friends are going to call me crazy and reckless. Oh well, they already did... since I choose to DIY my own UT with no accounting or UT knowledge background. And me being a woman on top of that. People don't have much faith in that. To me, everyone gotta stay from somewhere. First step is the hardest. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(suilow1991 @ Sep 10 2016, 05:23 PM)
I had the dilemma once since I also have global titans fund in my portfolio. To save all the headaches, if it ain't broken, don't fix it. at least i see it that way.
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That is very wise thumbup.gif . I tend on delaying updating my phone with new firmware updates and wait till everyone else updated and reported back with bugs and such. Hahaha. After they have work over the bugs, I would then update mine. Don't know why everyone rushed to be a guinea pig. tongue.gif

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you had 10.5%  CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund
I would suggest you stick with it
(increase more if that risk appetite allow it)......b'cos I think 40% of that 10.5% in US is just too little for a portfolio.

for that TA GTF...it is a single segment or focused fund......try add no more than 5% in yr portfolio b'cos CIMB GTF also has some similar holdings as TA GTF.

you already have 3.6%    TA European Equity Fund
why do you say "And choosing to stay with CIMB Global Titans would have said overlapping effect but it also means I have some footing in Europe as well, which is good".
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Hi, thanks for your advise. Actually if you read back a bit, I was agonizing over which Global fund to keep to cover my developed market segment since I am now having 3 global funds in my portfolio:-

8.4% RHB Global Fortune Fund
10.5% CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund
3.6% TA European Equity Fund

Sifus here has advised that I could trim it off as all 3 moves similarly (no correlation). Hence I might as well just pick one and stay with it.

After all the feedbacks I got here and in view of my own long term goals, I am thinking staying with Global Titans has more benefit to my portfolio. Hence I am in the mind of dropping RHB Global Fortune Fund and TA European EF. Just stay faithful to one Global fund. Hehehe. Will move more of the funds from that 2 dropped UT to my Global Titans to increase my exposure. Thanks again. thumbup.gif

Going to drop RHB ATR for RHB Asian Income Fund and also go for Libra Asnita Bond. That would mean I will only be left with 2 bonds in my portfolio to focus on. That is a good thing.


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Hi Sifus,

What do you think of my new reshuffled portfolio? I have am going to restructure my current one with this new portfolio after receiving many good advise here:-

EQ 75% / FI 25%

Bond = 25%:-
17% Libra ASnita Bond
8% Eastspring Investment Bond Fund

EQ (Malaysia) = 30%:-
15% Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund
15% Kenanga Growth Fund

EQ (Asia ex-Japan) = 20%:-
8% CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
12% RHB Asian Income Fund

EQ (Global) = 17%:-
17% CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund

EQ (Single Country: India) = 8%:-
8% Manulife India Equity Fund


According to FSM Portfolio Simulator tool for a 3 years view, there's a possibility of 14.28 Annualised Return with 5.68 Annualised Volatility. hmm.gif I have pushed higher weightage on my India and also Global fund from my initial lower weightage approach.

I am aiming for a 7 years horizon for this portfolio. My risk profile is moderately aggressive.

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hmm.gif since you will be moving/switching/relocating your EQ funds around.....
I believes you want to take the benefits of the 0.57% SC.

if you can....and if time allows....
don't inter switch direct from EQ of FH A to EQ of FH B
by doing so you will need to pay 0.57% SC

try intra switch from EQ of FH A to FI of FH A,...(wait a few days), then inter switch again that FI of FH A to EQ of FH B....
with this you will still need to pay 0.57% SC BUT you will gain "credit points"...which will be useful later.

courtesy of "Vanguard" thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 10 2016, 06:42 PM)
EQ (Asia ex-Japan) = 20%:-
8% CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
12% RHB Asian Income Fund
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RHB Asian Income Fund is a balanced fund (FI & EQ)
so your weightage of 20% EQ in Asia X Jpn seems not correct
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Hi Sifus,

What do you think of my new reshuffled portfolio? I have am going to restructure my current one with this new portfolio after receiving many good advise here:-

EQ 75% / FI 25%

Bond = 25%:-
17% Libra ASnita Bond
8% Eastspring Investment Bond Fund

EQ (Malaysia) = 30%:-
15% Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund
15% Kenanga Growth Fund

EQ (Asia ex-Japan) = 20%:-
8% CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
12% RHB Asian Income Fund

EQ (Global) = 17%:-
17% CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund

EQ (Single Country: India) = 8%:-
8% Manulife India Equity Fund
According to FSM Portfolio Simulator tool for a 3 years view, there's a possibility of 14.28 Annualised Return with 5.68 Annualised Volatility. hmm.gif  I have pushed higher weightage on my India and also Global fund from my initial lower weightage approach.

I am aiming for a 7 years horizon for this portfolio. My risk profile is moderately aggressive.
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QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 10 2016, 05:37 PM)

At the moment, I planned on doing monthly contribution to each funds but this time via VA style. Trying to be more involved with the process so that I could perhaps learn more from managing it. There's cons in that really. I had to stay more objective and take all the additional noises in the market with more than a grain of salt to keep from jerking my knee unnecessarily and hurting my portfolio with reckless moves...

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VA may sounds good in theory, but what is its advantage over DCA, especially if the regular amount to put in is "tiny" like a few hundred ringgits? If a fund dropped 10% or 1k in value this month, are you ready to pour in 1k next month when the regular investment budget is only $400? smile.gif

Being very objective and unemotional would means sticking to the set plan. The plan may be this, out of the savings from monthly salary, some is put in fd or fixed income funds, some in equity funds, say $400. So without fail, whether sunshine or earthquake, must buy $400 worth of equity funds every month.

This would be DCA style.

We can varies it slightly by choosing say 4 funds out of our existing 5 funds to put the $400 (with $100 per fund or S200 into 2 funds each.) How the 2 or more funds is selected out of the 5 funds is not upmost important. Every method will have its own weakness - sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes we get lucky, sometimes not - this is the reason why we do it DCA, not one-time lumpsum.

(If it is a regional fund, sometimes I looked into the stock index for that particular market... for example choose the fund with its market index below the 200-day MA. https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/q/ta?t=2y&l=on...&s=%5EAXJO&ql=1 )

Now, with VA, you will need to put in some calculations and more effort in knowing the current values of the funds. Because VA is "topping up" the fund to the desired level. (The desired level can be a fixed number or percentage or a constant value. It can also be an increasing value... ie. you want it to grow 4% or 5% every year.)

As said, are you ready to "top-up" when the fund drops more than your planned budget? smile.gif


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QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 10 2016, 06:42 PM)
Hi Sifus,

What do you think of my new reshuffled portfolio? I have am going to restructure my current one with this new portfolio after receiving many good advise here:-

EQ 75% / FI 25%

Bond = 25%:-
17% Libra ASnita Bond
8% Eastspring Investment Bond Fund

EQ (Malaysia) = 30%:-
15% Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund
15% Kenanga Growth Fund

EQ (Asia ex-Japan) = 20%:-
8% CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
12% RHB Asian Income Fund

EQ (Global) = 17%:-
17% CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund

EQ (Single Country: India) = 8%:-
8% Manulife India Equity Fund
According to FSM Portfolio Simulator tool for a 3 years view, there's a possibility of 14.28 Annualised Return with 5.68 Annualised Volatility. hmm.gif  I have pushed higher weightage on my India and also Global fund from my initial lower weightage approach.

I am aiming for a 7 years horizon for this portfolio. My risk profile is moderately aggressive.
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Looks OK. At least you have got the basic asset allocation theory right.

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VA may sounds good in theory, but what is its advantage over DCA, especially if the regular amount to put in is "tiny" like a few hundred ringgits? If a fund dropped 10% or 1k in value this month, are you ready to pour in 1k next month when the regular investment budget is only $400?  smile.gif

Being very objective and unemotional would means sticking to the set plan. The plan may be this, out of the savings from monthly salary, some is put in fd or fixed income funds, some in equity funds, say $400. So without fail, whether sunshine or earthquake, must buy $400 worth of equity funds every month.

This would be DCA style.

We can varies it slightly by choosing say 4 funds out of our existing 5 funds to put the $400 (with $100 per fund or S200 into 2 funds each.) How the 2 or more funds is selected out of the 5 funds is not upmost important. Every method will have its own weakness - sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes we get lucky, sometimes not - this is the reason why we do it DCA, not one-time lumpsum.

(If it is a regional fund, sometimes I looked into the stock index for that particular market... for example choose the fund with its market index below the 200-day MA. https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/q/ta?t=2y&l=on...&s=%5EAXJO&ql=1 )

Now, with VA, you will need to put in some calculations and more effort in knowing the current values of the funds. Because VA is "topping up" the fund to the desired level. (The desired level can be a fixed number or percentage or a constant value. It can also be an increasing value... ie. you want it to grow 4% or 5% every year.)

As said, are you ready to "top-up" when the fund drops more than your planned budget?  smile.gif
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VA would be good for those OCB people like the WMK fella..... those with an engineer mindset, everything must calculate to the nearest cent punya.

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VA would be good for those OCB people like the WMK fella..... those with an engineer mindset, everything must calculate to the nearest cent punya.

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nearest percentage la
percentage is scale-able and easily comparable rclxs0.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 10 2016, 09:44 AM)
dasecret Traitor, this is a FSM, a UTF DIY site, how could you let a UTC to hand hold and mollycoddle you? This is treason!  shakehead.gif

Your punishment is buy PM funds for the next six months paying full Sales Charge!

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Walao.... you really know what I'm most afraid of hor.... tongue.gif
FSM don't sell wor.... how? e-unit trust got or not?

You all say one ma, buy things don't look at price tag, look at value

QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 10 2016, 03:08 PM)
Yeah wor, why she willing to pay full when she can get low/no sc on FSM. Summore so much good investment advice here on the forum, for free, no less....

Why can save money she don't want to save?! Kennot be....
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 10 2016, 01:50 AM)
Hats off to you lor... Made good money. I'm by the book and no where close
Anyway, I think something wrong with your RHB GEYF ROI. The fund has not made so well in the past 3 years and your IRR and ROI also don't correspond
Sorry.... bean counter punya obsession
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by the book is gd but too cumbersome no freedom.
bean counter no problem, can bare all for u to study.
is the IRR ROI there not correct?


QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 10 2016, 08:35 AM)
Lol ... But what do I know right? Excel pun tak erti...

Hahahahah
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dont know wat u mean......
but i guess u sarcastically meant to say u dont see any problem in that IRR and ROI


QUOTE(David3700 @ Sep 10 2016, 11:38 AM)
IMO,
Chance of winning lottery is one in thousands.
Genting ppl say 10 times gamble lose 9 times.
FD interest barely cover inflation.
Shares only have bullets to buy limited counters. Riskier than UT.

Not urgent. I need the money for retirement. Still have 10 more years.

So, isn't UT is the best choice ?
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What UT to buy?
the list has been displayed often enough here, just buy those,
more so if u see the price drops (not due to distribution etc ),only due to normal fluctuations.
buy low sell high is wat i do.
did that many rounds with Am Asia Pac Equity Income.

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 10 2016, 11:52 AM)

3. FD barely covers inflation?
IMHO, it depends on one's personal inflation - ignore the consensus.
If i have $1M and put in FD, get 4%pa ie $40K pa, spend only $25K pa and reinvest the $15K
When will concensus inflation kill me ar?


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our FD returns. by the way mine is 4.7% return.


QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 10 2016, 04:02 PM)
Before going into the details, what was summarised in the spreadsheet, "Entrance value" and his one-time lumpsum value of 100k is already out of tally.

A one-time investment does not need the excel function XIRR to calculate the IRR. The simple CAGR formula could do the job. Based on the current values of his 9 funds, they totaled to about 118.46k or an ROI of 18.46% or IRR (CAGR) of 6.1%.
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bro, my list too long,got another 9 above there....
i suppose Polarbearz excel cannot make mistake if data keyed in correctly right?

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Haha... These statements contradict so many ideas here but I liked it. thumbup.gif  notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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Why am I not surprised at all... shakehead.gif
Go ahead, and report back after that

U shd join the chinese forum... ppl there love these stuffs
I was told 'don't know switching and buy low sell high not suitable to play UT one la, u think buy blue chip meh'

I LOL-ed and ignored him

It's also a community that doesn't care about asset allocation; EQ funds all the way, very PM style I supposed
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 10 2016, 11:13 PM)
Why am I not surprised at all...  shakehead.gif
Go ahead, and report back after that

U shd join the chinese forum... ppl there love these stuffs
I was told 'don't know switching and buy low sell high not suitable to play UT one la, u think buy blue chip meh'

I LOL-ed and ignored him

It's also a community that doesn't care about asset allocation; EQ funds all the way, very PM style I supposed
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 10 2016, 10:39 PM)
Walao.... you really know what I'm most afraid of hor....  tongue.gif
FSM don't sell wor.... how? e-unit trust got or not?
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As from their latest data 23th October 2015 list, eUT showed AHSIF and AHSBF (not sure still available for purchase or not)

https://www.eunittrust.com.my/pdf/OnlineFundList.pdf

How is eUT environment compare to FSM, is it a good alternative to invest UTs that are no longer or not available through FSM?

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post Sep 10 2016, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 10 2016, 11:01 PM)
by the book is gd but too cumbersome no freedom.
bean counter no problem, can bare all for u to study.
is the IRR  ROI there not correct?

the list has been displayed often enough here, just buy those,
more so if u see the price drops (not due to distribution etc ),only due to normal fluctuations.
buy low sell high is wat i do.
did that many rounds with Am Asia Pac Equity Income.

bro, my list too long,got another 9 above there....
i suppose Polarbearz excel cannot make mistake if data keyed in correctly right?
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Haha, correct wor the GEYF one, I supposed I don't trade my funds so I won't see such numbers other than for CMF. basically the ROI is meaningless since the base is supposed to be much higher but you sold it

Rubbish in rubbish out lor. I noticed something, your data for switch sell you directly key into the columns with formula. You are supposed to key in column F following the type of transactions
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Sep 10 2016, 11:40 PM)
As from their latest data 23th October 2015 list, eUT showed AHSIF and AHSBF (not sure still available for purchase or not)

https://www.eunittrust.com.my/pdf/OnlineFundList.pdf

How is eUT environment compare to FSM, is it a good alternative to invest UTs that are no longer or not available through FSM?

Anyone here recently experienced with both eUT and FSM to share and compare each side?  icon_question.gif
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Same sales charge as buying from UTC... somemore can squeeze for extra advisory service tongue.gif
Buy value....

I think some other taikors do buy from eunit trust, but I really don't like the website la... doesn't give me much investor confidence, that's why 0% SC also I won't buy
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 10 2016, 11:26 PM)
The target here is returns. Every one got their own strategy. All roads lead to Rome. It's just a matter of which one arrive faster. laugh.gif But will look into it and see which one is better for me.  There's the DCA way and the trading way. cool2.gif
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if one thinks that frequent simultaneously lock in profits and dollar cost average into lower priced assets will provide better returns,...then this is interesting...

Mythbusting: Frequent Rebalancing Improves Portfolio Returns...... April 28, 2010
You might have heard this one before: Frequent rebalancing to simultaneously lock in profits and dollar cost average into lower priced assets will provide better returns. We examined the myth and here's what we found.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 9 2016, 01:41 PM)
You cannot choose your fund manager doh.gif
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For RM3-5m you can choose your manager, through a private mandate. tongue.gif tongue.gif

QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 9 2016, 10:34 PM)
I have heard it's normal for portfolio that is only about 1 year to not have much visible gain. Needs time and opportunity to build the momentum. Is that correct?
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Sounds like someone is trying to sell you an equity fund, when what you really need is a bond fund/MMF....

Anyway, thats a bit of an over generalization, to say the least. If you really understand how UTs and asset classes work, portfolios can be maintained from overnight, or till the cows come home. It really depends on what the goal/purpose is. Sometimes UT is the correct tool, sometimes its not.

QUOTE(zacknistelrooy @ Sep 10 2016, 02:43 AM)
Also be careful of the annual expense ratio as when the market goes sideways or downwards that will start to eat into your return over time.
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I'm guessing you read this in an article written by someone who lives/invests/retired in a mature economy?

QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 10 2016, 10:39 PM)
Be la value adding a bit la... tipu post count ni
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 10 2016, 03:13 PM)
You must have met them when you were interviewing fund managers here and there to place your private mandate, right?

Didn't work out with AH cos the RM3m minimum didn't feel exclusive enough ya?
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I didn't choose private mandate
Instead, I choose d default Fund
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Anyone here use FSM mobile ? Firstly when look up a fund, cannot see the fund sales charge and annual management charge and so.

Secondly, is there a way to persuade it to chart for 3 year period? It seems to chart every other period as PC except 3 year.
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QUOTE(xpmm @ Sep 11 2016, 07:41 AM)
sharing article

Deutsche Bank: Bond Investors Are About to Get Crushed as a New Global Cycle Kicks Off

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...cycle-kicks-off
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also sharing an article

Try to Turn Down the Noise
The attached note takes a look at the obsession with doom and gloom, the information avalanche we are now subject too and what it means for investors.
......Author : AMP Capital Investors Limited
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-the-Noise-5234
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Hi all, happy holiday everyone smile.gif

Learn a lot from this forum and i really appreciate all advises from everyone here smile.gif

Would like to let sifu-s here see see my portfolio as below:

Fixed Income
Libra Asnita Bond Fund 11% (ROI: 4.5%)
RHB Asian Total Return Fund 9% (ROI: 13%)

Balanced (Asia ex Jap)
RHB Asian Income Fund 8% (ROI: 1.2%)

Equity(Global)
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund 8% (ROI: 2.8%)
TA Global Tech Fund 9% (ROI: 9%)

Equity (Asia ex Jap)
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income 17% (ROI: 5.4%)

Equity (Developed Market)
CIMB Global Titans Fund 14% (ROI: 1.75%)

Equity (Malaysia)
Eastspring Investment Small-Cap 15% (ROI: 6.3%)

Equity (Single country)
Manulife India Equity 9% (ROI: 7.4%)

Also invested in KGF via PRS & EPF.

Started invest in these funds in FSM since early of 2015, been doing DCA on & off.
Can any sifu please comment on m portfolio? Anything to add into my portfolio?

Thank you in advance !

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QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 10 2016, 06:42 PM)
EQ 75% / FI 25%

Bond = 25%:-
17% Libra ASnita Bond
8% Eastspring Investment Bond Fund

EQ (Malaysia) = 30%:-
15% Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund
15% Kenanga Growth Fund

EQ (Asia ex-Japan) = 20%:-
8% CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
12% RHB Asian Income Fund

EQ (Global) = 17%:-
17% CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund

EQ (Single Country: India) = 8%:-
8% Manulife India Equity Fund
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 10 2016, 08:27 PM)
Looks OK. At least you have got the basic asset allocation theory right.

Xuzen
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when the "Grand Master JEDI" said "Looks OK. At least you have got the basic asset allocation theory right. "
I will "TAK Mahu" says looks OK to the below allocation.... biggrin.gif
Both looks almost identical.....
DAMN...I believes many investors wished to have the wisdom & knowledge to starts something like these when they started out. biggrin.gif
The next difficult part is emotional pull to tweak or "pull out" when the corrections happens, which happened quite frequently for the past 2 years...

QUOTE(moon0610 @ Sep 11 2016, 03:03 PM)
Fixed Income
Libra Asnita Bond Fund 11% (ROI: 4.5%)
RHB Asian Total Return Fund 9% (ROI: 13%)

Balanced (Asia ex Jap)
RHB Asian Income Fund 8% (ROI: 1.2%)

Equity(Global)
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund 8% (ROI: 2.8%)
TA Global Tech Fund 9% (ROI: 9%)

Equity (Asia ex Jap)
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income 17% (ROI: 5.4%)

Equity (Developed Market)
CIMB Global Titans Fund 14% (ROI: 1.75%)

Equity (Malaysia)
Eastspring Investment Small-Cap 15% (ROI: 6.3%)

Equity (Single country)
Manulife India Equity 9% (ROI: 7.4%)

Also invested in KGF via PRS & EPF.

.......... since early of 2015, been doing DCA on & off.
Can any sifu please comment on m portfolio? Anything to add into my portfolio?
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 10 2016, 06:47 PM)
hmm.gif since you will be moving/switching/relocating your EQ funds around.....
I believes you want to take the benefits of the 0.57% SC.

if you can....and if time allows....
don't inter switch direct from EQ of FH A to EQ of FH B
by doing so you will need to pay 0.57% SC

try intra switch from EQ of FH A to FI of FH A,...(wait a few days), then inter switch again that FI of FH A to EQ of FH B....
with this you will still need to pay 0.57% SC BUT you will gain "credit points"...which will be useful later.

courtesy of "Vanguard"  thumbsup.gif
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Thanks! That's the magic Vanguard pulled a couple of threads back I think. Very cool idea indeed. Yea I have been stalking this thread since I started investing FSM. Way better than the boring textbook. Hahaha biggrin.gif

QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 10 2016, 06:56 PM)
RHB Asian Income Fund is a balanced fund (FI & EQ)
so your weightage of 20% EQ in Asia X Jpn seems not correct
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Sorry I think I am a little lost here on what you mean. Do you mean I should be increasing my % in EQ since Asian Income Fund is a balanced fund is that right?

I dropped RHB ATR in favor of Asian Income Fund since the latter has FI effect and more stable than that ATR bond fund. That way I need not go to heavy on my dedicated bond funds and still get to decrease my portfolio's risk level akin to EQ60%:FI40%. Although technically is is EQ75%:FI25%. I hope that's how it works out.

QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 10 2016, 07:43 PM)
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Hi, thanks for the reminder and input. I appreciate it. notworthy.gif I am aware of that part. Just needed some sort of guideline from the simulator since past good performance could mean better FM and more effective management which could *crosses fingers* translate to future gain. Hopefully. sweat.gif It's all a gamble anyways. As no one could predict the market nor the future.

QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 10 2016, 08:06 PM)
VA may sounds good in theory, but what is its advantage over DCA, especially if the regular amount to put in is "tiny" like a few hundred ringgits? If a fund dropped 10% or 1k in value this month, are you ready to pour in 1k next month when the regular investment budget is only $400?  smile.gif

Being very objective and unemotional would means sticking to the set plan. The plan may be this, out of the savings from monthly salary, some is put in fd or fixed income funds, some in equity funds, say $400. So without fail, whether sunshine or earthquake, must buy $400 worth of equity funds every month.

This would be DCA style.

We can varies it slightly by choosing say 4 funds out of our existing 5 funds to put the $400 (with $100 per fund or S200 into 2 funds each.) How the 2 or more funds is selected out of the 5 funds is not upmost important. Every method will have its own weakness - sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes we get lucky, sometimes not - this is the reason why we do it DCA, not one-time lumpsum.

(If it is a regional fund, sometimes I looked into the stock index for that particular market... for example choose the fund with its market index below the 200-day MA. https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/q/ta?t=2y&l=on...&s=%5EAXJO&ql=1 )

Now, with VA, you will need to put in some calculations and more effort in knowing the current values of the funds. Because VA is "topping up" the fund to the desired level. (The desired level can be a fixed number or percentage or a constant value. It can also be an increasing value... ie. you want it to grow 4% or 5% every year.)

As said, are you ready to "top-up" when the fund drops more than your planned budget?  smile.gif
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Very good point there. Thank you for your kind input. Will need to plan very carefully. Learning lots here thanks to everyone being very helpful. I am very grateful for this thread.

Another reason I need start doing VA and not DCA a fixed amount each month is because it is about time for my rebalancing. To sharpen my aim. As I noticed my portfolio isn't very effective at the moment and it has been almost a year. So time to CSI it a bit. Hahaha. I will shift back to DCA once my portfolio is balanced once again to brave the market.

I am going to note down your comment here for reference. TQ thumbup.gif

QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 10 2016, 08:27 PM)
Looks OK. At least you have got the basic asset allocation theory right.

Xuzen
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Thank you for your input. Really appreciate it. thumbsup.gif

I am glad to know at least now the asset allocation is correctly done.

QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 11 2016, 02:42 AM)
For RM3-5m you can choose your manager, through a private mandate.  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
Sounds like someone is trying to sell you an equity fund, when what you really need is a bond fund/MMF....

Anyway, thats a bit of an over generalization, to say the least. If you really understand how UTs and asset classes work, portfolios can be maintained from overnight, or till the cows come home. It really depends on what the goal/purpose is. Sometimes UT is the correct tool, sometimes its not.
I'm guessing you read this in an article written by someone who lives/invests/retired in a mature economy?
Give chance a bit lah, I wanna be a well respected otai here on LYN, like you, Xuzen and Pinky.
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Yes that is true. Portfolio holding duration is really up to the investor's aims. Mine is 7 years at least.

I hope switching out from RHB ATR to RHB Asian Income Fund would give me a smoother jounery. I really don't see how ATR can be called a Bond Fund at all. Its volitlity is worst than many other EQ with higher risk rating. doh.gif

QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 11 2016, 03:19 PM)
when the "Grand Master JEDI" said "Looks OK. At least you have got the basic asset allocation theory right. "
I will "TAK Mahu" says looks OK to the below allocation.... biggrin.gif
Both looks almost identical.....
DAMN...I believes many investors wished to have the wisdom & knowledge to starts something like these when they started out.  biggrin.gif
The next difficult part is emotional pull to tweak or "pull out" when the corrections happens, which happened quite frequently for the past 2 years...
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Yup. Very glad I finally got that down. Haha.

The portfolio by moon0620 seems almost like my initial portfolio aka too many global funds. And rather heavy on it for current climate. Is that right? Hmm it is also heavy on overseas funds. Pretty high risk taker here I think. Well then again, everyone has different goals and horizon to look at. hmm.gif And I am no sifu. Just a small fish. UT nooby.
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Anyone here use FSM mobile ? Firstly when look up a fund, cannot see the fund sales charge and annual management charge and so.

Secondly, is there a way to persuade it to chart for 3 year period? It seems to chart every other period as PC except 3 year.
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The mobile app it's more of a snapshot of the current price. want more details should go to the Web version. you can suggest to fsm to add this in
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rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  nice pick, i will follow suit as well~
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don't follow me with my two rhb. xuxen always see my portfolio and scold me for having two funds that roughly correlates to each other. that was the time I made a mistake without doing a research and now I'm "stuck". donno should switch or sell so just keep it status quo
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Hi Sifus, how much credit points can be earn for intra switch from equity to money market? Does fund supermart got penalty for switching within certain period?
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QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 11 2016, 04:47 PM)
Thanks! That's the magic Vanguard pulled a couple of threads back I think. Very cool idea indeed. Yea I have been stalking this thread since I started investing FSM. Way better than the boring textbook. Hahaha  biggrin.gif
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That was a few versions before wor.... nvm, late better than never. Comment more la, sure there'll be times that you can help others out too

Anyway, I tried using credit ninja trick recently to pick up some EI small cap... too slow, the fund went back up quite a bit jor.... cry.gif
Lesson learned, want to save 0.57% end up making less
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 11 2016, 10:49 PM)
That was a few versions before wor.... nvm, late better than never. Comment more la, sure there'll be times that you can help others out too

Anyway, I tried using credit ninja trick recently to pick up some EI small cap... too slow, the fund went back up quite a bit jor....  cry.gif
Lesson learned, want to save 0.57% end up making less
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Yea that's why I said a few threads back. Or maybe I used the wrong word here. I should say versions instead? Sorry tongue.gif

That credit ninja trick is good if you don't have the need to rush the switch/transfer. Anyways best not to get distracted by the FSM sales since main focus should be on the market condition (thanks to the kind reminder by a senior here a few threads back when everyone talks about FSM sales and what to buy). I fell into that FSM sales trick before and buy in when fund is at high price. That's why this round I have decide to be more careful and take my own sweet time gauging the right time to move my funds around for the rebalancing. I am going to do it gradually whenever right opportunity hits. Go into new funds I wanted to switch to by nibble it bit by bit. Rather than making a sudden jump.

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I really don't see how ATR can be called a Bond Fund at all. Its volitlity is worst than many other EQ with higher risk rating.

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Actually ATR is behaving as expected. Unfortunately, for most investors, diligence stops at performance tables, without knowing the how and why.

I did my own dd early this year on ATR here, if you're interested. The diagrams will answer your question.

Also, your making it sound like volatility is a bad thing. It just needs to be managed, not avoided. 😁😁
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 11 2016, 09:25 AM)
also sharing an article

Try to Turn Down the Noise

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-the-Noise-5234
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Bagus la bro... !

Everyday, somebody will write something, and a bunch of people will think it's the good honest truth. What makes it worse is that it comes from legitimate sites.

WSJ vs CNBC
Pay close attention to the dates. 😂😂😂

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So how?

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 11 2016, 07:57 PM)
The mobile app it's more of a snapshot of the current price. want more details should go to the Web version. you can suggest to fsm to add this in
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You probably unaware that if you turn the phone landsape, the option of charting different duration is there, EXCEPT 3 year.

But charting is not the show stopper. I can't find where it is mentioned about the sales charge and annual management charge. Can't use if such info is not available.

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Asian Stocks Slide With Won, Oil Amid Fed Speculation; Yen Gains
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-ignites-swings

Time to nibble?
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 12 2016, 03:43 AM)
Bagus la bro... !

Everyday, somebody will write something, and a bunch of people will think it's the good honest truth. What makes it worse is that it comes from legitimate sites.

WSJ vs CNBC
Pay close attention to the dates. 😂😂😂

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Some stocks do well even when the economy is bad. Others perform badly even when the economy is hot.

We all know that many unemployed people go back to school during bad time. I guess many others also join Amway in order to earn side income. (Of course in the end they are poorer by a few hundred rm every month, while their uplines are laughing to bank.)

As UTF investors we don't pick stocks directly. The best we can do is to diversify and plan for long term.

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 12 2016, 08:55 AM)
Asian Stocks Slide With Won, Oil Amid Fed Speculation; Yen Gains
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-ignites-swings

Time to nibble?
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not a news I would like to read first thing in the morning. Jesus. this is gonna be a tumble
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 12 2016, 03:22 AM)
Actually ATR is behaving as expected. Unfortunately, for most investors, diligence stops at performance tables, without knowing the how and why.

I did my own dd early this year on ATR here, if you're interested. The diagrams will answer your question.

Also, your making it sound like volatility is a bad thing. It just needs to be managed, not avoided. 😁😁
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Point taken. Thanks. smile.gif My concern it more to how ATR's volatility fits into my particular portfolio. More on its effect on my entire portfolio when taken in as FI. Not exactly saying ATR is a bad fund. It has got great track record and a FSM recommended fund. That's why I was said a few threads back that maybe that fund was initially recommended to me as part of my portfolio since I have 7 years horizon to make it work out'

Thanks for sharing that link. It's very informative. Just as expected, ATR works great with longer horizon. I like that it has SGD class as well as MYR but not very comfortable that it overweight China. Then again who knows maybe the dragon would rise again in very near future. As I have to rebalance my portfolio now I need to review having ATR as part of it. I am aware that volatility is an expectation in EQ funds and UT itself. And I just need to make the best of it through proper diversification and fund allocation/rebalancing to minimize the risk exposure for greater results.

I really appreciate your kind input. Hope to receive more guidance in future. notworthy.gif


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QUOTE(kradun @ Sep 11 2016, 10:27 PM)
Hi Sifus, how much credit points can be earn for intra switch from equity to money market? Does fund supermart got penalty for switching within certain period?
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while waiting for responses, if you are interested you may read this....

FAQs on Credit system
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...dit-System-2001

i think FSM will not charge penalty for switching of funds in certain period....they are charged by the fund house......the fund fact sheet and the prospectus of each fund will specify the fees to be incurred for holding of the fund for less than certain duration.
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 12 2016, 12:22 PM)
while waiting for responses, if you are interested you may read this....

FAQs on Credit system
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...dit-System-2001

i think FSM will not charge penalty for switching of funds in certain period....they are charged by the fund house......the fund fact sheet and the prospectus of each fund will specify the fees to be incurred for holding of the fund for less than certain duration.
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Thanks. Dint notice is hide under this section.
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Asian Stocks Slide With Won, Oil Amid Fed Speculation; Yen Gains
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-ignites-swings

Time to nibble?
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Let it drop till end of this month, then time to nimble some... rclxms.gif
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Let it drop till end of this month, then time to nimble some...  rclxms.gif
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should it be,.sell all now and then end of the month...time to nimble some? biggrin.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 12 2016, 12:42 PM)
should it be,.sell all now and then end of the month...time to nimble some?  biggrin.gif  brows.gif
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No la... that I leave it to fund manager on stocks level.. fund level I just nimble when there is opportunity...
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Sep 12 2016, 12:47 PM)
No la... that I leave it to fund manager on stocks level.. fund level I just nimble when there is opportunity...
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Let it drop till end of this month, then time to nimble some...  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Jan 13 2016, 11:49 PM)
I've been seeing a lot of talk regarding RHB Asian Total Return Fund, and I have to admit I kena influenced. "Sum yuk yuk" by the looks of the performance numbers and wanted to make an allocation. So I did some research, and I'm sharing my summary :

1. Feeds into United Asian Bond Fund.
2. United Asian Bond fund
    - has SGD, USD class
    - fixed income only
    - size ok : SGD 170m+
    - track record long : 15 years
    - allocation : overweight china, overweight financials
    - Average maturity : 8.2 yrs
    - Average YTM : 5.2%
3. Areas of concern : allocation, maturity, YTM
4. Below are the 1 year charts :
    - Top orange = SGD/MYR vs RHB ATR vs UOB ABF - SGD Class
    - Bottom orange = USD/MYR vs RHB ATR vs UOB ABF - USD Class

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Prognosis : too late.
Option : buy in SGD.
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 12 2016, 03:22 AM)
Actually ATR is behaving as expected. Unfortunately, for most investors, diligence stops at performance tables, without knowing the how and why.

I did my own dd early this year on ATR here, if you're interested. The diagrams will answer your question.

Also, your making it sound like volatility is a bad thing. It just needs to be managed, not avoided. 😁😁
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Timely reminder there. So assuming I didn't quite missed the boat and currently has 16% IRR for this fund. What's your recommendation, hold or sell? USD n SGD inching higher drool.gif
Selling a reasonably healthy fund seems to be counter intuitive to me

QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 12 2016, 12:12 PM)
Point taken. Thanks.  smile.gif  My concern it more to how ATR's volatility fits into my particular portfolio. More on its effect on my entire portfolio when taken in as FI. Not exactly saying ATR is a bad fund. It has got great track record and a FSM recommended fund. That's why I was said a few threads back that maybe that fund was initially recommended to me as part of my portfolio since I have 7 years horizon to make it work out'

Thanks for sharing that link. It's very informative. Just as expected, ATR works great with longer horizon. I like that it has SGD class as well as MYR but not very comfortable that it overweight China. Then again who knows maybe the dragon would rise again in very near future. As I have to rebalance my portfolio now I need to review having ATR as part of it. I am aware that volatility is an expectation in EQ funds and UT itself. And I just need to make the best of it through proper diversification and fund allocation/rebalancing to minimize the risk exposure for greater results.

I really appreciate your kind input. Hope to receive more guidance in future.  notworthy.gif
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1. The RHB ATR feeds into the SGD class
2. I think he was talking about the gains in 2014-2015 mainly came from forex gains against SGD, and USD (RMB loosely pegged to USD); hence why missed the boat if you try to buy it in 2016.
As a result, the investment horizon may not be so critical here

The United Asian Bond (SGD) class returns as attached
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The longer term annualised return is still about 6%-8%. Not too bad, but not what you would get in 2015

p/s: Merely translating techie greek-like language into layman terms tongue.gif Could have done it completely wrong though
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Hi all, recently I started to invest in the funds below through RSP:

Kenanga Growth Fund (12.5%)
Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund (12.5%)
Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund (12.5%)
AmAsia Pacific REITs - Class B (MYR) (25%)
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR (25%)
RHB Asian Income Fund (12.5%)

If I want to diversify my portfolio in global or developed market, would Aladdin and Titanic funds good options?

Or is it good to venture into grater china and india/indonesia region UT?

Any other suggestions are welcome for input and discussions smile.gif
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Sep 13 2016, 08:26 AM)
Hi all, recently I started to invest in the funds below through RSP:

Kenanga Growth Fund (12.5%)
Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund (12.5%)
Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund (12.5%)
AmAsia Pacific REITs - Class B (MYR) (25%)
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR (25%)
RHB Asian Income Fund (12.5%)

If I want to diversify my portfolio in global or developed market, would Aladdin and Titanic funds good options?

Or is it good to venture into grater china and india/indonesia region UT?

Any other suggestions are welcome for input and discussions smile.gif
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If I want to diversify my portfolio in global or developed market, would Aladdin and Titanic funds good options?
I would says depends on risk believes.....
in terms of 3 yrs volatility ratio GTF > Aladdin by 20%, but so is GTF got more return.... biggrin.gif
go for Aladdin if you wanted to give the FM more leeway to moves funds globally instead of only 3.
as for me...I would go with GTF....

Or is it good to venture into grater china and india/indonesia region UT?
according to the 31 July factsheet....
30% of your 25% in CIMB Asia Pac is in HK/CHINA/Taiwan (Greater China) = 8% in Greater China already.

if you want...try this? 1 fund 3 of your intended birds
CIMB-PRINCIPAL CHINA-INDIA-INDONESIA EQUITY FUND
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Sep 13 2016, 08:26 AM)
Hi all, recently I started to invest in the funds below through RSP:

Kenanga Growth Fund (12.5%)
Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund (12.5%)
Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund (12.5%)
AmAsia Pacific REITs - Class B (MYR) (25%)
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR (25%)
RHB Asian Income Fund (12.5%)

If I want to diversify my portfolio in global or developed market, would Aladdin and Titanic funds good options?

Or is it good to venture into grater china and india/indonesia region UT?

Any other suggestions are welcome for input and discussions smile.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 13 2016, 08:55 AM)
I would says depends on risk believes.....
in terms of 3 yrs volatility ratio GTF > Aladdin by 20%, but so is GTF got more return.... biggrin.gif
go for Aladdin if you wanted to give the FM more leeway to moves funds globally instead of only 3.
as for me...I would go with GTF....

according to the 31 July factsheet....
30% of your 25% in CIMB Asia Pac is in HK/CHINA/Taiwan (Greater China) = 8% in Greater China already.

if you want...try this? 1 fund 3 of your intended birds
CIMB-PRINCIPAL CHINA-INDIA-INDONESIA EQUITY FUND
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In that case, would it be wise to invest in both since aladdin (islamic) moves around globally and titanic (conventional) for developed market that my existing portfolio didnt touch much on them?

Actually what i want to say is "greater china or india or indonesia" tongue.gif
Is it better to invest separately (cimb greater china + manulife india + indenoasia fund?) or just cimb china-india-indon?

I am planning to do all of the above via RSP biggrin.gif
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Anyone intend to top up today?
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spend a mini fortune on mooncakes
payday 2 more days to go.
not sure if the Asia mkts got rebound or not....
US mkts rebounded.....thus maybe no more continues discount offer.
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 13 2016, 09:06 AM)
spend a mini fortune on mooncakes
payday 2 more days to go.
not sure if the Asia mkts got rebound or not....
US mkts rebounded.....thus maybe no more continues discount offer.
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Sep 13 2016, 09:06 AM)
In that case, would it be wise to invest in both since aladdin (islamic) moves around globally and titanic (conventional) for developed market that my existing portfolio didnt touch much on them? You are now 100% in Asia Pac region.......(abt 35% in M'sia)....yes go global and GTF for some concentration, but beware of overlapping weightage in US after having them both.

Actually what i want to say is "greater china or india or indonesia"  tongue.gif
Is it better to invest separately (cimb greater china + manulife india + indenoasia fund?) or just cimb china-india-indon?

I am planning to do all of the above via RSP  biggrin.gif
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Actually what i want to say is "greater china or india or indonesia" tongue.gif
Is it better to invest separately (cimb greater china + manulife india + indenoasia fund?) or just cimb china-india-indon?

I would say, it depends....most would think that having 1 fund that focused on the 3 instead of individual funds is better/easier....
but some would think that having 3 individuals funds allows the investors to "freely and having more control" to allocates more % into the country of his choices among the 3.....

I would use 1 stone...

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This bunch of new recruits are not bad, they are getting better!

Looks like us veteran can go on retirement liao! Or just hang around and talk cock!
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 13 2016, 09:12 AM)
Actually what i want to say is "greater china or india or indonesia"  tongue.gif
Is it better to invest separately (cimb greater china + manulife india + indenoasia fund?) or just cimb china-india-indon?

I would say, it depends....most would think that having 1 fund that focused on the 3 instead of individual funds is better/easier....
but some would think that having 3 individuals funds allows the investors to "freely and having more control" to allocates more % into the country of his choices among the 3.....

I would use 1 stone...
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Guess I will go for Aladdin first. RSP easier biggrin.gif

CIMB require initial investment first to RSP later, so Titanic and china-india-indon might delay (RM 1000 initial total gasp...) sweat.gif

Need to save more money for them bruce.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 13 2016, 09:33 AM)
Hang around to shoot the trolls as and when they appear is our duty. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Better hang around Kuchai Lama bar and be pampered by Viet girls laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 13 2016, 09:33 AM)
Hang around to shoot the trolls as and when they appear is our duty. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Fireballs or acid works well on trolls - stops them from regenerating (learned from AD&D tongue.gif )
However, IMHO, setting traps for the trolls to kill themselves are more satisfying AND gather conclusive logic / ill-logic laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 13 2016, 10:33 AM)
Off topic alert  notworthy.gif
Fireballs or acid works well on trolls - stops them from regenerating (learned from AD&D tongue.gif )
However, IMHO, setting traps for the trolls to kill themselves are more satisfying AND gather conclusive logic / ill-logic laugh.gif
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Sep 13 2016, 10:32 AM)
Pinky gets angry easily of late.
Better hang around Kuchai Lama bar and be pampered by Viet girls laugh.gif
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For those who previously kow-peh-kow-bu about the small cap fiasco:

The fiasco is so short lived! The NAV is inching up already! Somuch of much ado about nothing!

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 13 2016, 11:20 AM)
For those who previously kow-peh-kow-bu about the small cap fiasco:

The fiasco is so short lived! The NAV is inching up already! Somuch of much ado about nothing!

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 13 2016, 11:20 AM)
For those who previously kow-peh-kow-bu about the small cap fiasco:

The fiasco is so short lived! The NAV is inching up already! Somuch of much ado about nothing!

Xuzen
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I have read the queries here about which is the better global funds to invest in. If I have to choose only one fund, I will pick CIMB Global Titans Fund.

It is a actually "a fund of funds", i.e. holding a collection of other unit trusts. CIMB Global Titans currently invests as a feeder fund into 3 separate global equity funds which focus on US, Europe and Japan. So, you are paying 3 for the price of 1.

That I assume, explains why the annual expense ratio of CIMB Global Titans is much higher at 1.99% compared to Eastspring Global Leaders Funds which only has an annual expense ratio of 0.16%.
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 13 2016, 11:53 AM)
I have read the queries here about which is the better global funds to invest in. If I have to choose only one fund, I will pick CIMB Global Titans Fund.

It is a actually "a fund of funds", i.e. holding a collection of other unit trusts. CIMB Global Titans currently invests as a feeder fund into 3 separate global equity funds which focus on US, Europe and Japan. So, you are paying 3 for the price of 1.

That I assume, explains why the annual expense ratio of CIMB Global Titans is much higher at 1.99% compared to Eastspring Global Leaders Funds which only has an annual expense ratio of 0.16%.
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 11 2016, 10:49 PM)
Anyway, I tried using credit ninja trick recently to pick up some EI small cap... too slow, the fund went back up quite a bit jor....  cry.gif
Lesson learned, want to save 0.57% end up making less
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Aisey, ninja trick cannot work if you are hoping to take advantage of a few days of market madness. I believe FSM operates on forward pricing? If we really want to "play the market", then have to modify the ninja trick. If you have volatile funds in your portfolio, i.e. with risk rating of 9-10, please consider setting up a mirror image bond fund.

For e.g.

1. You have EISC with a risk rating of 9. Consider holding RM10K or whatever amount you are comfortable with in Eaststpring Bond Fund. Market madness happens. EISC drops 3-5% within 1-2 weeks time.

2. Transfer RM10K from Eastspring Bond Fund into EISC using free credit points.

3. If you are a trader, after the market recovers, switch back the RM10K plus the excess profits from EISC to Eastspring Bond Fund.

Note to forumers here : The above is an EXAMPLE of trading and NOT long term unit trust investment. Do it at your own risk.

This post has been edited by Vanguard 2015: Sep 13 2016, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 13 2016, 11:59 AM)
Bos, Global Leaders is ALSO a Feeder Fund. That 0.16% is not "accurate". rclxs0.gif
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Boss, saya tahu Eastspring Global Leaders is also a feeder fund. Tapi it feeds into ONE global fund only and not THREE separate global funds no?

Err...why is the 0.16% expense ratio not accurate? Please enlighten me. notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 13 2016, 12:00 PM)
Aisey, ninja trick cannot work if you are hoping to take advantage of a few days of market madness. I believe FSM operates on forward pricing? If we really want to "play the market", then have to modify the ninja trick. If you have volatile funds in your portfolio, i.e. with risk rating of 9-10, please consider setting up a mirror image bond fund.

For e.g.

1.  You have EISC with a risk rating of 9. Consider holding RM10K or whatever amount you are comfortable with in Eaststpring Bond Fund. Market madness happens. EISC drops 3-5% within 1-2 weeks time.

2. Transfer RM10K from Eastspring Bond Fund into EISC using free credit points.

3. If you are a trader, after the market recovers, switch back the RM10K plus the excess profits from EISC to Eastspring Bond Fund.

Note to forumers here :  The above is an EXAMPLE of trading and NOT long term unit trust investment. Do it at your own risk.
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Wow... The boss of credit ninja has spoken

I've not even refined my skills on the basic credit ninja yet, did more steps than necessary and took up precious days. It's ok la, precious lessons learned

I have no intention of following that though, requires way too many bond funds including some pretty useless ones like RHB money market or CIMB-principal bond fund and very inefficient portfolio for my way of buy and do nothing strategy

But TQ for sharing, really eye opener
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 13 2016, 12:12 PM)
Wow... The boss of credit ninja has spoken

I've not even refined my skills on the basic credit ninja yet, did more steps than necessary and took up precious days. It's ok la, precious lessons learned

I have no intention of following that though, requires way too many bond funds including some pretty useless ones like RHB money market or CIMB-principal bond fund and very inefficient portfolio for my way of buy and do nothing strategy

But TQ for sharing, really eye opener
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No worries. Just sharing my thoughts. Sometimes I use this method when I need to make some quick money to buy books.

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In that case, would it be wise to invest in both since aladdin (islamic) moves around globally and titanic (conventional) for developed market that my existing portfolio didnt touch much on them?

Actually what i want to say is "greater china or india or indonesia"  tongue.gif
Is it better to invest separately (cimb greater china + manulife india + indenoasia fund?) or just cimb china-india-indon?

I am planning to do all of the above via RSP  biggrin.gif
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In theory one may think that he would entail greater autonomy to invest separately into three UTF from three different UTMC, namely CIMB China or Manulife India and RHB Indonesia. But consider this, each time you rebalance your portfolio, you incur sales charge. This is foolish!

If that is the case, a wiser man, would consider, suppose I buy into RHB China-India-Indonesia fund with one time sales charge and let the FM do the rebalancing without further encountering sales charge. This is wiser!

Suppose another wiser man, thinking perhaps I wish to maintain autonomy and do not wish to further incur sales charge.

Such wise man then uses the "wrap account" mechanism and writes his own algorithm to assist him to optimally asset allocate between the three geographical risky asset class.

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 13 2016, 12:00 PM)
Aisey, ninja trick cannot work if you are hoping to take advantage of a few days of market madness. I believe FSM operates on forward pricing? If we really want to "play the market", then have to modify the ninja trick. If you have volatile funds in your portfolio, i.e. with risk rating of 9-10, please consider setting up a mirror image bond fund.

For e.g.

1.  You have EISC with a risk rating of 9. Consider holding RM10K or whatever amount you are comfortable with in Eaststpring Bond Fund. Market madness happens. EISC drops 3-5% within 1-2 weeks time.

2. Transfer RM10K from Eastspring Bond Fund into EISC using free credit points.

3. If you are a trader, after the market recovers, switch back the RM10K plus the excess profits from EISC to Eastspring Bond Fund.

Note to forumers here :  The above is an EXAMPLE of trading and NOT long term unit trust investment. Do it at your own risk.
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mirror image bond fund as in bond fund in same fund house? so for your example, it only works between EI EQ- EI bond but not the CMF as bond fund part rite? what if the volatile fund is the same fund house as CMF, then simple switching in between will work without another mirror image bond fund? just want to know out of curiosity.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 13 2016, 11:59 AM)
Bos, Global Leaders is ALSO a Feeder Fund. That 0.16% is not "accurate". rclxs0.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 13 2016, 12:07 PM)
Boss, saya tahu Eastspring Global Leaders is also a feeder fund. Tapi it feeds into ONE global fund only and not THREE separate global funds no?

Err...why is the 0.16% expense ratio not accurate? Please enlighten me.  notworthy.gif
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Bean counter's type geeky topic. Let me try to answer that

Previously something like this was discussed in the PRS thread on those PRS funds that feed into existing UTF

So for Global leaders, similarly the management fees was charged by the M&G fund as reflected in NAV daily, the management fee would then be refunded to EI Global Leaders and it is netted off against the management fee charged by EI Global Leaders. As a result the MER would look ridiculously low, but you obviously still pay management fee la, fund managers don't work for free

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CIMB GTF however, I have no explanation for why the MER is so high. Perhaps someone should write to them to demand for an explanation hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 13 2016, 12:07 PM)
Boss, saya tahu Eastspring Global Leaders is also a feeder fund. Tapi it feeds into ONE global fund only and not THREE separate global funds no?

Err...why is the 0.16% expense ratio not accurate? Please enlighten me.  notworthy.gif
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Try read the annual report and see the management fee notes
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 13 2016, 01:46 PM)
Bean counter's type geeky topic. Let me try to answer that

Previously something like this was discussed in the PRS thread on those PRS funds that feed into existing UTF

So for Global leaders, similarly the management fees was charged by the M&G fund as reflected in NAV daily, the management fee would then be refunded to EI Global Leaders and it is netted off against the management fee charged by EI Global Leaders. As a result the MER would look ridiculously low, but you obviously still pay management fee la, fund managers don't work for free

Excerpt from the accounts
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Thanks for the explanation Dasecret.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 13 2016, 01:53 PM)
Try read the annual report and see the management fee notes
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Thanks.....but reading the annual report...urghh......

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QUOTE(suilow1991 @ Sep 13 2016, 12:34 PM)
mirror image bond fund as in bond fund in same fund house? so for your example, it only works between EI EQ- EI bond but not the CMF as bond fund part rite? what if the volatile fund is the same fund house as CMF, then simple switching in between will work without another mirror image bond fund? just want to know out of curiosity.
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Yes, you are right. Mirror bond fund as in bond fund in the same fund house. It cannot work with CMF which is a "parking" account.

But I repeat, not advisable to switch in and out for unit trust investments. Follow Pink Spider. His approach is the correct one.

Don't follow Vanguard. He may make money in the short run only for his "gambling" portion of his overall portfolio.
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 13 2016, 02:30 PM)
But I repeat, not advisable to switch in and out for unit trust investments. Follow Pink Spider. His approach is the correct one.
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Please explain what is the Pinky method innocent.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 13 2016, 02:36 PM)
Please explain what is the Pinky method innocent.gif
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Let me explain to you Pinky method....

Pinky Method:

When local stock market is good, he cabut and go punting over there to cari makan.

When local stock market not so good, susah cari makan, he comes back to UTC to earn some dedak ayam and wait for market to hot up again.

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 13 2016, 01:46 PM)
Bean counter's type geeky topic. Let me try to answer that

Previously something like this was discussed in the PRS thread on those PRS funds that feed into existing UTF

So for Global leaders, similarly the management fees was charged by the M&G fund as reflected in NAV daily, the management fee would then be refunded to EI Global Leaders and it is netted off against the management fee charged by EI Global Leaders. As a result the MER would look ridiculously low, but you obviously still pay management fee la, fund managers don't work for free

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CIMB GTF however, I have no explanation for why the MER is so high. Perhaps someone should write to them to demand for an explanation  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 13 2016, 11:53 AM)
I have read the queries here about which is the better global funds to invest in. If I have to choose only one fund, I will pick CIMB Global Titans Fund.

It is a actually "a fund of funds", i.e. holding a collection of other unit trusts. CIMB Global Titans currently invests as a feeder fund into 3 separate global equity funds which focus on US, Europe and Japan. So, you are paying 3 for the price of 1.

That I assume, explains why the annual expense ratio of CIMB Global Titans is much higher at 1.99% compared to Eastspring Global Leaders Funds which only has an annual expense ratio of 0.16%.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 13 2016, 02:42 PM)
Let me explain to you Pinky method....

Pinky Method:

When local stock market is good, he cabut and go punting over there to cari makan.

When local stock market not so good, susah cari makan, he comes back to UTC to earn some dedak ayam and wait for market to hot up again.

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Index may be good may be bad, but opportunities are there all the time. innocent.gif

When trolls datang FSM thread main kacau or when there are UT dividen fans spewing cow dung here, Pinky comes back to flush them down the IWK sewage channels. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 13 2016, 02:36 PM)
Please explain what is the Pinky method innocent.gif
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As explained by Xuzen. biggrin.gif

But seriously, the Pinky Method is the buy and hold method. Doing DCA or VCA. Portfolio rebalancing once a year if the "alignment" is out of sync (I assume). Standard textbook stuff. Easy to understand but difficult to practise.
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 13 2016, 03:04 PM)
As explained by Xuzen.  biggrin.gif

But seriously, the Pinky Method is the buy and hold method. Doing DCA or VCA. Portfolio rebalancing once a year if the "alignment" is out of sync (I assume). Standard textbook stuff. Easy to understand but difficult to practise.
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Correct a bit.

I rebalance when the allocation runs >10% from planned, this is actually FSM's method.

E.g. planned to have 30% in Developed Markets. When allocation drops to 28%, do nothing. When drops to 26%, top up (amount to top up depends on discretion) to bring back up to at least above 27%.
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QUOTE(Styrroyds @ Sep 13 2016, 03:01 PM)
Then TA Euro Equity is even better because feed into 5 funds
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Based on its fund sheet, I think it feeds into 8 separate global funds. But all the funds are invested in Europe only, hence the name of the fund. So are more funds better? It depends on what your target is.

TA Euro Equity is not a global fund and should not be compared with other global funds like CIMB Global Titans.
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Was looking through RHB Asian Income Fund's Allocation and came across the drawn part.

What does this hedges means to the allocation?


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Was looking through RHB Asian Income Fund's Allocation and came across the drawn part.

What does this hedges means to the allocation?
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Give u an interesting assignment. E-mail to RHB Asset Management and/or FSM and ask about it. wink.gif
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Was looking through RHB Asian Income Fund's Allocation and came across the drawn part.

What does this hedges means to the allocation?
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Currency Risks And Hedging October 12, 2012
With regards to investment risk, investors are often focused on the price of an asset, but sometimes overlook currency risk, which can make a world of difference to one’s investment returns, especially in the context of today’s volatile currency markets.

KNOWING THE MANAGER’S APPROACH TO CURRENCY MANAGEMENT
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Global Selloff Threatens to Spiral as Central Banks Angst Builds

A selloff in fixed income is showing signs of snowballing into a global market rout.

Shares in Europe and Asia dropped the most since the aftermath of the U.K. Brexit vote in June, and U.S. stock-index futures fell as concern spread that central banks are preparing to wean markets off unprecedented stimulus. Treasuries extended their slide into a fourth day as the U.S. prepared to sell three- and 10-year notes, and the yield on benchmark German bunds reached the highest since Britain’s decision to exit the European Union was confirmed. Oil sank toward $45 a barrel as nickel tumbled the most in four weeks. The yen advanced and the won slid. Samsung Electronics Co. tumbled after airlines and regulators warned against the use of its Note 7 smartphones.

http://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/global...s-angst-builds/

checked unit trusts today and saw everything was blood red. TA Global tumbled 1%

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 13 2016, 12:26 PM)
In theory one may think that he would entail greater autonomy to invest separately into three UTF from three different UTMC, namely CIMB China or Manulife India and RHB Indonesia. But consider this, each time you rebalance your portfolio, you incur sales charge. This is foolish!

If that is the case, a wiser man, would consider, suppose I buy into RHB China-India-Indonesia fund with one time sales charge and let the FM do the rebalancing without further encountering sales charge. This is wiser!

Suppose another wiser man, thinking perhaps I wish to maintain autonomy and do not wish to further incur sales charge.

Such wise man then uses the "wrap account" mechanism and writes his own algorithm to assist him to optimally asset allocate between the three geographical risky asset class.

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Wise words! Copied this down for reference. thumbup.gif

I have just make use of Boss Vanguard's credit ninja trick. So excited to see credits from switches for the first time in my portfolio. Cool! rclxm9.gif

I switched out from those EQ UT that I wanted to drop into Bond funds first. But I only did that to EQ that is currently in the red. The rest in green I no touch first until I see red then only switch out. Yesterday did one intra-switch and tonight one inter-switch. That inter-switch one is not exactly in the red but since it is a very small sum so I taruk lor. Wanted to buy into Libra Asnita Bond fund fast fast. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 13 2016, 12:23 AM)
Timely reminder there. So assuming I didn't quite missed the boat and currently has 16% IRR for this fund. What's your recommendation, hold or sell? USD n SGD inching higher  drool.gif
Selling a reasonably healthy fund seems to be counter intuitive to me
1. The RHB ATR feeds into the SGD class
2. I think he was talking about the gains in 2014-2015 mainly came from forex gains against SGD, and USD (RMB loosely pegged to USD); hence why missed the boat if you try to buy it in 2016.
As a result, the investment horizon may not be so critical here

The United Asian Bond (SGD) class returns as attached
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The longer term annualised return is still about 6%-8%. Not too bad, but not what you would get in 2015

p/s: Merely translating techie greek-like language into layman terms  tongue.gif Could have done it completely wrong though
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Thanks for the enlightenment. thumbsup.gif I am still holding ATR right now since it's still green. But I will need to drop it soon when the moment is right since rebalancing is crucial. Then I wouldn't have SGD class in my portfolio liao cry.gif

I missed ATR 2014-2015 boat too. Only bought it late 2015.
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QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 13 2016, 07:32 PM)
Wise words! Copied this down for reference.  thumbup.gif
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Rebalancing doesn't always involve purchase/sale/switching. A minor rebalancing can be achieved via the mean of topup. Read Pinky's post #351 (above).
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Weird. Dunno why my post got reported? I thought I am talking nothing but FSM UT only? hmm.gif

Could anyone enlighten me please? Or if the reporter would kindly let me know what is wrong with my post so I may avoid it in future?

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Sep 13 2016, 08:08 PM)
Rebalancing doesn't always involve purchase/sale/switching. A minor rebalancing can be achieved via the mean of topup. Read Pinky's post #351 (above).
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Thanks for reminder smile.gif Actually I know that. I am currently in need to switching because I have to drop a few funds since it no longer suit my soon to be balanced portfolio. As a newbie, I have been overzealous and bought too many funds and couple of it are actually overlapping each other. That's why I need to drop them while I still can (the fund size is small and currently in red).

Will slowly VA or DCA my way to rebalance the portfolio to my risk appetite. Just need to trim the fats a bit and stay more focus. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 13 2016, 08:24 PM)
Weird. Dunno why my post got reported? I thought I am talking nothing but FSM UT only?  hmm.gif

Could anyone enlighten me please? Or if the reporter would kindly let me know what is wrong with my post so I may avoid it in future?
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is there a way from the reported message to ask back the administrator?
seems like if there is no way to know what you did wrong...don't give a damn lor.
seems like people suka-suka report and you worry...
don't give a damn lor. if the system did not tell you why.....
how can you improve to 'comply" with their requirement if you do not know what you did not conform.

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funny how they are so many trolls around most forum subtopics now. non serious problems in serious sections, talking about UT also get reported.
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QUOTE(vincabby @ Sep 13 2016, 09:07 PM)
funny how they are so many trolls around most forum subtopics now. non serious problems in serious sections, talking about UT also get reported.
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hmm.gif do you mean any TOM, DICK or HARRY can report without any consequence or need to disclose identity?
hmm.gif then any "trolls or anti social path " can just click report without any valid reasons?
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Oic. It's a post count thing. Noted and thanks for the info. notworthy.gif

Lol. I was cracking my head over it. Trying to think of the reason. tongue.gif Sorry lah. Still newbie. I seldom post on LYN. If post also usually only one post and never had to reply so many people. This is the first time I join a Roundtable discussion at LYN. Suddenly decided to brave it. Hehe

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Let's see how Asian markets open today...
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 10 2016, 11:47 PM)
Haha, correct wor the GEYF one, I supposed I don't trade my funds so I won't see such numbers other than for CMF. basically the ROI is meaningless since the base is supposed to be much higher but you sold it

Rubbish in rubbish out lor. I noticed something, your data for switch sell you directly key into the columns with formula. You are supposed to key in column F following the type of transactions
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supposed to yes, but when certain squares just refused to accept what i wanted to key in, no choice. Tq anyway.

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QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 13 2016, 07:32 PM)

I switched out from those EQ UT that I wanted to drop into Bond funds first. But I only did that to EQ that is currently in the red. The rest in green I no touch first until I see red then only switch out. Yesterday did one intra-switch and tonight one inter-switch. That inter-switch one is not exactly in the red but since it is a very small sum so I taruk lor. Wanted to buy into Libra Asnita Bond fund fast fast.  biggrin.gif

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I don't quite understand this. From my understanding Switch is actually Sell and Buy, why sell when it's in red not in green? confused.gif

Sorry for my noob question.
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Revisiting an old topic. FSM sales fee now at 0.57%. Siapa berani pinjam Ah Long, max out personal loan on credit card, etc. to raise money.

Use the money to buy a low risk rating balanced fund at 0.57% fees. Later intra switch to a bond fund with the same fund house. Voila! You have a few hundred thousand credit points to play with.

This is what I call titanium balls.

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QUOTE(sugarcookies @ Sep 14 2016, 10:41 AM)
I don't quite understand this. From my understanding Switch is actually Sell and Buy, why sell when it's in red not in green?  confused.gif

Sorry for my noob question.
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Noob here too. I might be wrong here. But the EQ I referred to as in red wasn't impacting my gain that much since it is a very small holding/sum even if I sell it now only losing very small sum like couple of bucks. Hehehe. And I really need to drop them so I could have more money to rebalance my portfolio by topping up and picking up other funds which is in favor of my portfolio and aim.

I am aware that one should try to sell when there's gain (in green) but that would also depends on personal situation and confidence to do so. I would believed many would not have the confidence to sell when the fund is riding a bullish bull unless they are seasoned UT traders.

I made those switch sell and buy decisions based on what is currently best option for my portfolio. So in the end it is all about personal risk appetite and goals. That is why it is not always a good idea to follow others decision to a T since each and everyone has their own goals and horizon and different portfolio settings.

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 14 2016, 12:30 PM)
Revisiting an old topic. FSM sales fee now at 0.57%. Siapa berani pinjam Ah Long, max out personal loan on credit card, etc. to raise money.

Use the money to buy a low risk rating balanced fund at 0.57% fees. Later intra switch to a bond fund with the same fund house. Voila! You have a few hundred thousand credit points to play with.

This is what I call titanium balls.
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no offence to you but this is the dumbest idea coming out from you. if this works the whole financial system would be broken plus there's a reason why interest from loans and credits are high. by the time you have whatever capital you have from the loans will be used to pay up the interest.
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no offence to you but this is the dumbest idea coming out from you. if this works the whole financial system would be broken plus there's a reason why interest from loans and credits are high. by the time you have whatever capital you have from the loans will be used to pay up the interest.
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No. His idea IS workable. innocent.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 14 2016, 12:30 PM)
....FSM sales fee now at 0.57%. ..... pinjam ...... to raise money.

Use the money to buy a low risk rating balanced fund at 0.57% fees. Later intra switch to a bond fund with the same fund house. Voila! You have a few hundred thousand credit points to play with.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 14 2016, 02:10 PM)
No. His idea IS workable. innocent.gif
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hmm.gif should i consider using my Full Flexi housing loan, to try it out ?
HL interest < 5% pa.... use the Vanguard Credit points system......1~2 weeks...
return money to HL.....untung a few hundreds thousands of credit points..... hmm.gif tongue.gif
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hmm.gif should i consider using my Full Flexi housing loan, to try it out ?
HL interest < 5% pa.... use the Vanguard Credit points system......1~2 weeks...
return money to HL.....untung a few hundreds thousands of credit points..... hmm.gif  tongue.gif
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Wow...repeats that cycles a few times over.....many many millions of credit points
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No. His idea IS workable. innocent.gif
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hmm.gif should i consider using my Full Flexi housing loan, to try it out ?
HL interest < 5% pa.... use the Vanguard Credit points system......1~2 weeks...
return money to HL.....untung a few hundreds thousands of credit points..... hmm.gif  tongue.gif
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Wow...repeats that cycles a few times over.....many many millions of credit points
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 14 2016, 01:52 PM)
no offence to you but this is the dumbest idea coming out from you. if this works the whole financial system would be broken plus there's a reason why interest from loans and credits are high. by the time you have whatever capital you have from the loans will be used to pay up the interest.
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If I were younger, I would be offended by this type of comment. biggrin.gif

But then I look back. I was also young and cocky once. I thought I knew everything. But I was lucky. I met a lot of humble people who were intelligent and successful in life. I realised that there is so much more in life that I need to learn.

Remember the cliché? “Be kind to everyone on the way up; you’ll meet the same people on the way down.“

A little humility goes a long way. Try it my friend. icon_rolleyes.gif
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that word needs lots of leverage or capital to be worthwhile neh

thus have to learn 2 or 3 words tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 14 2016, 12:30 PM)
Revisiting an old topic. FSM sales fee now at 0.57%. Siapa berani pinjam Ah Long, max out personal loan on credit card, etc. to raise money.

Use the money to buy a low risk rating balanced fund at 0.57% fees. Later intra switch to a bond fund with the same fund house. Voila! You have a few hundred thousand credit points to play with.

This is what I call titanium balls.
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Well, I'm quite sure I won't do it although I do have some money in CMF to make it worth my while
But I've accumulated some credits so far and haven't even use them yet

Anyway, for discussion sake which low risk balanced fund would you go for at this point? Market quite volatile wei, all the RHB local funds don't know will go down further or not; ringgit is quite weak at the moment, if ringgit strengthen foreign funds like RHB Asian Income fund may lose money... it does take about a week for the whole process to go through

And tips to those who plan to do it, don't buy the following funds as there's no FI fund for intra switch:
- RHB Smart series funds
- Aberdeen funds
Boss any other fund house to add?

p/s: I'm so sure FSM would read this but just smile instead of doing anything about it, best customer retaining tool ever. With hundred of thousands of credit points don't think they would go anywhere else

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 14 2016, 06:47 PM)
And tips to those who plan to do it, don't buy the following funds as there's no FI fund for intra switch:
- RHB Smart series funds
- Aberdeen funds
Boss any other fund house to add?

p/s: I'm so sure FSM would read this but just smile instead of doing anything about it, best customer retaining tool ever. With hundred of thousands of credit points don't think they would go anywhere else
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For discussion purpose only......what about RHB Asian Income Fund or Affin Hwang Select Balanced Fund (in FSM's Recommended List)?



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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 14 2016, 12:30 PM)
Revisiting an old topic. FSM sales fee now at 0.57%. Siapa berani pinjam Ah Long, max out personal loan on credit card, etc. to raise money.

Use the money to buy a low risk rating balanced fund at 0.57% fees. Later intra switch to a bond fund with the same fund house. Voila! You have a few hundred thousand credit points to play with.

This is what I call titanium balls.
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 14 2016, 12:30 PM)
Revisiting an old topic. FSM sales fee now at 0.57%. Siapa berani pinjam Ah Long, max out personal loan on credit card, etc. to raise money.

Use the money to buy a low risk rating balanced fund at 0.57% fees. Later intra switch to a bond fund with the same fund house. Voila! You have a few hundred thousand credit points to play with.

This is what I call titanium balls.
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Gua tarak berani go all out..
Yea, there's promo.. But we needs to practice DCA too..
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Wah so interesting the conversation these days...
No need la sampai sell house, sell car, pawn jewellery...

Lesser known fact : UT positions can be leveraged.
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 14 2016, 07:51 PM)
Wah so interesting the conversation these days...
No need la sampai sell house, sell car, pawn jewellery...

Lesser known fact : UT positions can be leveraged.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 14 2016, 05:25 PM)
Learn this word - arbitrage brows.gif
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come come do it quick...opportunities don't come always.
0.57% + mkts already downed a few days.....

come come do it now before FSM closes the door (loopholes) innocent.gif
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Gua tarak berani go all out..
Yea, there's promo.. But we needs to practice DCA too..
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Or do like Mr guy. Buy low sell high. Forget all the DCA stuff. whistling.gif
Action speaks louder than words (picture of proof of not doing DCA)
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 13 2016, 12:23 AM)
Timely reminder there. So assuming I didn't quite missed the boat and currently has 16% IRR for this fund. What's your recommendation, hold or sell? USD n SGD inching higher  drool.gif
Selling a reasonably healthy fund seems to be counter intuitive to me
The short answer : to follow your pre-determined plan which you have prepared before taking on the position.

If your plan was to rebalance down, then sell. If your plan was to cut losers and load winning positions, then buy.

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wtf my Post #390 got reported...

why nowadays too may butthurt people everywhere mad.gif

and for your answer Ramjade
we cannot really time how low.. maybe now u see "wah so low, can go big". after bought, NAV goes even lower doh.gif

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For discussion purpose only......what about RHB Asian Income Fund or Affin Hwang Select Balanced Fund (in FSM's Recommended List)?
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While i'm a person who believes in lowering transaction cost, playing around with the credits seems a little risky considering there's always promo every now and then, not to mention referral, etc.

anyway, there are not many fund houses that we can choose for this purpose. I thought RHB charges RM25 for every switch?

for discussion purposes, there's affin hwang select income fund, which while it's considered fixed income, sales charge is being incurred, i wonder if it's considered 'loaded' units. for the purpose you mention, this would be 'safer' i guess.

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How much u intend to sai-lang?
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 15 2016, 09:15 AM)
While i'm a person who believes in lowering transaction cost, playing around with the credits seems a little risky considering there's always promo every now and then, not to mention referral, etc.

anyway, there are not many fund houses that we can choose for this purpose. I thought RHB charges RM25 for every switch?

for discussion purposes, there's affin hwang select income fund, which while it's considered fixed income, sales charge is being incurred, i wonder if it's considered 'loaded' units. for the purpose you mention, this would be 'safer' i guess.
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Hi, thanks for the info. Anyway, my earlier posting about borrowing from Ah Long, etc. to obtain the FSM credit points is meant as a tongue in cheek statement. I am sure the forumers here understood that. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 15 2016, 11:35 AM)
........ Anyway, my earlier posting about borrowing from Ah Long, etc. to obtain the FSM credit points is meant as a tongue in cheek statement. I am sure the forumers here understood that.  biggrin.gif
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doh.gif what just a "tongue in cheek statement."??
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i thought it was a "command" or an investment advise
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doh.gif what just a "tongue in cheek statement."??
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i thought it was a "command" or an investment advise
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 14 2016, 09:24 PM)
The short answer : to follow your pre-determined plan which you have prepared before taking on the position.

If your plan was to rebalance down, then sell. If your plan was  to cut losers and load winning positions, then buy.

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This kind of wishy washy answer.... shakehead.gif

QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 14 2016, 06:56 PM)
For discussion purpose only......what about RHB Asian Income Fund or Affin Hwang Select Balanced Fund (in FSM's Recommended List)?
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 15 2016, 09:15 AM)
While i'm a person who believes in lowering transaction cost, playing around with the credits seems a little risky considering there's always promo every now and then, not to mention referral, etc.

anyway, there are not many fund houses that we can choose for this purpose. I thought RHB charges RM25 for every switch?

for discussion purposes, there's affin hwang select income fund, which while it's considered fixed income, sales charge is being incurred, i wonder if it's considered 'loaded' units. for the purpose you mention, this would be 'safer' i guess.
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The conventional Hwang Select income fund is no longer available for purchase on FSM as mentioned few pages ago, the shariah equivalent - Affin Hwang AIIMAN Select Income Fund still can buy it seems

On RHB intra switching, switching out or into RHB Money Market fund does not attract RM25 switching fee and at the same time can use credit. Tips from our resident credit ninja master thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 15 2016, 05:09 PM)
This kind of wishy washy answer....  shakehead.gif
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It's very difficult to give advice for assets not under my care. I nether know
1. Value of the position,
2. Strategy for that portion the portfolio,
3. Goals and intentions for that portfolio,
4. Holding period intended,
5. Percentage of position in the portfolio,
6. Percentage of that portfolio in relation to wealth,
7. Volatility of the position in relation to portfolio,

With that being said, the best advice I can give you is to follow your initial plan, which should have at the very least covered
1. Investment objectives,
2. Rebalancing strategy,
3. Take profit/cut loss triggers,
4. FX hedging,
5. Options for tactical allocations,
6. Time horizon,
7. Circuit breakers,
8. Triggers on whether to top up, or remove the position completely

Still wishy washy, or concise enough ? tongue.gif tongue.gif

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Alternatively, you can transfer all outstanding assets to be put under my care, and I can work out for you. Hehe
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Sep 14 2016, 12:30 PM)
Revisiting an old topic. FSM sales fee now at 0.57%. Siapa berani pinjam Ah Long, max out personal loan on credit card, etc. to raise money.

Use the money to buy a low risk rating balanced fund at 0.57% fees. Later intra switch to a bond fund with the same fund house. Voila! You have a few hundred thousand credit points to play with.

This is what I call titanium balls.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 14 2016, 02:10 PM)
No. His idea IS workable. innocent.gif
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Did this successfully a few rounds.... there are tips available in the balance transfer thread. rclxms.gif
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Did this successfully a few rounds.... there are tips available in the balance transfer thread. rclxms.gif
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Anyone invested in REITs?
Not sure which to choose :
1. Manulife investment asia pacific (asia excluding jap)
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2. AmAsia Pacific REITs (asia including jap)
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Anyone invested in REITs?
Not sure which to choose :
1. Manulife investment asia pacific (asia excluding jap)
OR
2. AmAsia Pacific REITs (asia including jap)
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If you look at the fund factsheet, the second fund is more geographically diversed.
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Anyone invested in REITs?
Not sure which to choose :
1. Manulife investment asia pacific (asia excluding jap)
OR
2. AmAsia Pacific REITs (asia including jap)
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I wud advise the later
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Anyone invested in REITs?
Not sure which to choose :
1. Manulife investment asia pacific (asia excluding jap)
OR
2. AmAsia Pacific REITs (asia including jap)
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The fund no 2 is my pick..
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Anyone invested in REITs?
Not sure which to choose :
1. Manulife investment asia pacific (asia excluding jap)
OR
2. AmAsia Pacific REITs (asia including jap)
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The fund no 2 is my pick too.. tongue.gif
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I wud advise the later
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 18 2016, 11:34 AM)
The fund no 2 is my pick..
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Sep 18 2016, 05:37 PM)
The fund no 2 is my pick too.. tongue.gif
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mind to share why?
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mind to share why?
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Yeah wor, I'm also curious why...

Actually I'm more curious why ppl would invest in REIT funds, as opposed to REITs.
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I am trying to search for fund info in Bloomberg. For that I need to enter the 'fund codes', e.g. Public Mutual Aggressive Growth Fund is KLAGGFI:MK.

From where can I get the list of codes for other funds?
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Yeah wor, I'm also curious why...

Actually I'm more curious why ppl would invest in REIT funds, as opposed to REITs.
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here you go buddy. the perfect article

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/inves...utual-funds.asp
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mind to share why?
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I have been with them since inception plus njoy 0% sales charge
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 18 2016, 08:37 PM)
Typical textbook answer and if you are answering question in CFA exam, these points will sure konfirm confirm score you points! thumbsup.gif

My not so textbook answer:

Quite a while ago I came across and article written for the S'pore REITs. It seems that the major risk is the right issue for direct REITS investors.

For REITS exposed UTF, unit-holders need not worry about this right issue thingy. The can continue to sit back relax and enjoy collecting the dividend distribution.

Xuzen

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 18 2016, 07:38 PM)
Yeah wor, I'm also curious why...

Actually I'm more curious why ppl would invest in REIT funds, as opposed to REITs.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 18 2016, 09:49 PM)
Typical textbook answer and if you are answering question in CFA exam, these points will sure konfirm confirm score you points!  :thumbsup:

My not so textbook answer:

Quite a while ago I came across and article written for the S'pore REITs. It seems that the major risk is the right issue for direct REITS investors.

For REITS exposed UTF, unit-holders need not worry about this right issue thingy. The can continue to sit back relax and enjoy collecting the dividend distribution.

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Right issue will dilute per unit earning, but that's not an issue if the earning continue to grow.
The real headache is bonus issue if it results in odd lot.
Example:
You have 100 unit. Then there is 1 for 4 bonus issue. You get 25 units, which is an odd lot.
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Sep 18 2016, 08:07 PM)
I am trying to search for fund info in Bloomberg. For that I need to enter the 'fund codes', e.g. Public Mutual Aggressive Growth Fund is KLAGGFI:MK.

From where can I get the list of codes for other funds?
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wongmunkeong sifu please help notworthy.gif

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wongmunkeong sifu please help notworthy.gif
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Dekat finder (look for the magnifier icon) just type the fund PROPER, preferably full name. Fund code will come out.
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wongmunkeong sifu please help notworthy.gif
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er.. sumimasen..
long time never did DETAILED stuff for mutual funds liao.

Only doing "chump change" that is too small to port over to overseas brokerage for direct ETFs and stocks notworthy.gif

and real sifus here are Pinky Xuzen etc.
i'm just coasting here heheh tongue.gif
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Right issue will dilute per unit earning, but that's not an issue if the earning continue to grow.
The real headache is bonus issue if it results in odd lot.
Example:
You have 100 unit. Then there is 1 for 4 bonus issue. You get 25 units, which is an odd lot.
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In fact, investor can sell odd lot(s) via Bursa
The only setback is gross proceeds may b insufficient to cover brokerage charges

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First there was Lee Sook Yee wub.gif (Malaysia stock-market mahaguru)

Then came Esther Teo wub.gif wub.gif (The Bond girl extraordinaire)

Now I shall present to you

...

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Selina Yong wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif (Mistress of REITs) with her Avril Lavigne rock3r chick look. Selina is the FM for AMAsia Reits Fund = Algozen™ approved! thumbsup.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 20 2016, 12:19 PM)
Selina Yong  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif (Mistress of REITs) with her Avril Lavigne rock3r chick look. Selina is the FM for AMAsia Reits Fund = Algozen™ approved!  thumbsup.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 20 2016, 12:19 PM)
First there was Lee Sook Yee  wub.gif (Malaysia stock-market mahaguru)

Then came Esther Teo  wub.gif  wub.gif (The Bond girl extraordinaire)

Now I shall present to you

...

...

...

Selina Yong  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif (Mistress of REITs) with her Avril Lavigne rock3r chick look. Selina is the FM for AMAsia Reits Fund = Algozen™ approved!  thumbsup.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 20 2016, 12:19 PM)

Selina Yong  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif (Mistress of REITs) with her Avril Lavigne rock3r chick look. Selina is the FM for AMAsia Reits Fund = Algozen™ approved!  :thumbsup:

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so far the performance is doing well. AmReits
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it is the time of the year again..... last year was in Nov.
(just like the usual time of the month for the opposite sex)....
time for reflections after the few days of holiday break....

just noticed that my investment ROI is about 12%
just did a mental calculation.....if my investment portfolio were to increase 10% pa consecutively uninterrupted for another 6 1/2 years.....
my investment ROI is about 65 + 12 = 77%
which would mean a 10 yrs investment period...... bangwall.gif an approximate IRR of about 6.5%??
cry.gif realized that "dasecret" was right when he said, "mathematically" impossible to achieve my dream IRR of 8%

if I were to insist on IRR as a mean to see how my investment performed.....then I guess no amount of "GOOD" basket of diversified funds can help to get that......thus not fair / right / correct way of judging how my selected funds performed.

hmm.gif if I dun't look at IRR as a whole, should I look at M-O-M or Y-O-Y to see how my selections of funds in my portfolio performed?

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it is the time of the year again..... last year was in Nov.
(just like the usual time of the month for the opposite sex)....
time for reflections after the few days of holiday break....

just noticed that my investment ROI is about 12%
just did a mental calculation.....if my investment portfolio were to increase 10% pa consecutively uninterrupted for another 6 1/2 years.....
my investment ROI is about 65 + 12 = 77%
which would mean a 10 yrs investment period...... bangwall.gif an approximate IRR of about 6.5%??
cry.gif  realized that "dasecret" was right when he said, "mathematically" impossible to achieve my dream IRR of 8%

if I were to insist on IRR as a mean to see how my investment performed.....then I guess no amount of "GOOD" basket of diversified funds can help to get that......thus not fair / right / correct way of judging how my selected funds performed.

hmm.gif if I dun't look at IRR as a whole, should I look at M-O-M or Y-O-Y to see how my selections of funds in my portfolio performed?

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a timely article......for thinking of buying low and sell high or buying high and selling higher

Can you time the market?...... November 18, 2009
When the market has moved to high levels, predicting its future direction is tricky. Investors are often tempted to time the market - whether it will have further upside or will it consolidate. However, is this the best strategy?
Author : IFAST Research Team

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...the-market--431
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how about just seeing when i reach 7% on the fsm account and then i sell it? am i making 7% already? this ROI and wat nots are hard to calculate for a simpleton like me.
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QUOTE(vincabby @ Sep 20 2016, 09:30 PM)
how about just seeing when i reach 7% on the fsm account and then i sell it? am i making 7% already? this ROI and wat nots are hard to calculate for a simpleton like me.
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sell those that achieved 7%?
if those the stay at 6% then you wait?, eventhough it took them years to reach 6%?

if after selling those that reached 7%?
get out and not invest in? or
buy another fund(s)?
if buy again (another fund(s)) at what criteria?

notworthy.gif more info please
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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 20 2016, 09:36 PM)
sell those that achieved 7%?
if those the stay at 6% then you wait?, eventhough it took them years to reach 6%?

if after selling those that reached 7%?
get out and not invest in? or
buy another fund(s)?
if buy again (another fund(s)) at what criteria?

notworthy.gif more info please
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say for 3 years scope, that means 21% at the end of 3 years. I sell and not invest? just one scenario.
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say for 3 years scope, that means 21% at the end of 3 years. I sell and not invest? just one scenario.
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thanks for responding...
what if it stayed at 15~20% after 3 yrs?
also sell?

"after sell no invest"...exit UT investment after gained 21%?

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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 20 2016, 09:45 PM)
thanks for responding...
what if it stayed at 15~20% after 3 yrs?
also sell?

"after sell no invest"...exit UT investment after gained 21%?
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good question. that's why i'm not too sure and coming here to ask questions. seeing a lot of ppl " taking profit" every now and then. so wondering if it somehow applies to UTs as well.
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When To Take Profits?

When should an investor consider taking profits? This article sheds light.

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...e-Profits--1783

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Sep 20 2016, 09:30 PM)
how about just seeing when i reach 7% on the fsm account and then i sell it? am i making 7% already? this ROI and wat nots are hard to calculate for a simpleton like me.
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For those not familiar with the maths behind it, do use the excel provided on post #1. it will help.

And personally, i really think taking profit is not the right thing to be applied on unit trust.

Yes, some of the ones here do do that. but taking profit kinda means one knows the timing of the market and in reality, nobody knows.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 20 2016, 10:25 PM)
For those not familiar with the maths behind it, do use the excel provided on post #1. it will help.

And personally, i really think taking profit is not the right thing to be applied on unit trust.

Yes, some of the ones here do do that. but taking profit kinda means one knows the timing of the market and in reality, nobody knows.
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How about if one set a personal target say 10% profit (doesn't matter if it goes up higher), sell the whole thing, then look at a fund which is considered low price then buy into that (using the money principal + profit) and wait for another 10%. Doable?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 20 2016, 10:30 PM)
How about if one set a personal target say 10% profit (doesn't matter if it goes up higher), sell the whole thing, then look at a fund which is considered low price then buy into that (using the money principal + profit) and wait for another 10%. Doable?
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How do you determine a fund is low price? Low could be due to many things like overall market is no good, sector is no doing well, fund is not doing well due to not so good fund manager etc. And also how do you determine which fund is going up. Lots of unknown to trade it like stock.

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When to take profit?

When to enter?

Perennial questions that bother UTF investors.

Rather than worry about it and remain clueless and continue to worry because you have no plan.

Rather, have a plan and remain wise and composed and hence less worry!

Try this method:

Let's say you have RM 100K to invest and you have determined to be a moderate risk taker (assuming you have done the risk profile questionnaire that is available from most UT Companies).

So you have decided to split 50% Libra Asnita Bond, 25% Kenanga Growth Fund and 25% Manulife US Equity Fund.

That will be:

Asnita = RM 50K
KGF = RM 25K
US = RM 25K

One year later:

Your portfolio looks something like this

Asnita = RM 52,500.00 (gain 5%)
KGF = RM 22,500.00 (loss 10%)
US = RM 28,750.00 (gain 15%)
=======
Portfolio= RM 103,750.00 (gain of 3.75%)

When you rebalance you will try to make them back to the same % that is:

Rebalanced:

Asnita = RM 51,875.00 (50%)
KGF = RM 25,937.50 (25%)
US = RM 25,937.50 (25%)
======
Portfolio =RM 103,750.00


From this you will realized that you are selling US Fund & a little of the Asnita Bond (or taking profit) and putting them into KGF (topping up) because KGF has seen a sell down.

In this way, a savvy investor have a system that will prompt them to sell or top up the funds in a systematic way.

This method is called "asset allocation model" method. It is scientific, it is unemotional, it can take away your fear and greed. You do not have to rely on external noises anymore!

Xuzen
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U so cold & logical, no fun la - most people complain
I have my fun with my $ growth & hunnee - to which i respond, if i bother responding tongue.gif

up till now, still those Qs from a lot of forumers VS a planned approach.
i wonder if they play football or basketball with all attacker or defenders, and not a planned resource & holistic approach bruce.gif

QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 21 2016, 03:02 PM)
When to take profit?

When to enter?

Perennial questions that bother UTF investors.

Rather than worry about it and remain clueless and continue to worry because you have no plan.

Rather, have a plan and remain wise and composed and hence less worry!

Try this method:

Let's say you have RM 100K to invest and you have determined to be a moderate risk taker (assuming you have done the risk profile questionnaire that is available from most UT Companies).

So you have decided to split 50% Libra Asnita Bond, 25% Kenanga Growth Fund and 25% Manulife US Equity Fund.

That will be:

Asnita = RM 50K
KGF    = RM 25K
US      = RM 25K

One year later:

Your portfolio looks something like this

Asnita =  RM 52,500.00 (gain 5%)
KGF    =  RM 22,500.00 (loss 10%)
US      =  RM 28,750.00 (gain 15%)
               =======
Portfolio= RM 103,750.00 (gain of 3.75%)

When you rebalance you will try to make them back to the same % that is:

Rebalanced:

Asnita =  RM 51,875.00 (50%)
KGF    =  RM 25,937.50 (25%)
US      =  RM 25,937.50 (25%)
                   ======
Portfolio =RM 103,750.00
From this you will realized that you are selling US Fund & a little of the Asnita Bond (or taking profit) and putting them into KGF (topping up) because KGF has seen a sell down.

In this way, a savvy investor have a system that will prompt them to sell or top up the funds in a systematic way.

This method is called "asset allocation model" method. It is scientific, it is unemotional, it can take away your fear and greed. You do not have to rely on external noises anymore!

Xuzen
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Waa .... so methodical ...

So, how to determine when to drop a fund completely instead of topping up ah ?
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 21 2016, 03:42 PM)
xuzen & wongmunkeong

Waa .... so methodical ...

So, how to determine when to drop a fund completely instead of topping up ah ?
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Go and consult a UTC..... oh wait....

or

wait for the crystal balls to reveal its hidden treasure.

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Any comment with the way below for profit preservation?

Lets say I set a target of above 3% for equity, when I hit the target , I will try to preserve that by allocating the profit into fixed income funds. In a way I am diluting the equity funds but when the NAV of the equity goes down, I can decide to rebalance from bond funds or let it be.
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 21 2016, 03:42 PM)
xuzen & wongmunkeong

Waa .... so methodical ...

So, how to determine when to drop a fund completely instead of topping up ah ?
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also simple methodical (for me):
1. If "investment" is no good after 3 years of "commitment"
VS similar "investments", time to cut loss and move to better ones
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i commit to GEMs for emerging markets and after 3 years+, it shows it's averaging or above average compared to other emerging markets, keep on going
ELSE
find another emerging market fund

2. EXTRA lump sum in on top of VCA (bonus answer tongue.gif ) if it is already proven AND is at a lelong (the markets covered under that fund)

hmm.. sounds like a sound thing for partnerships too brows.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 21 2016, 03:02 PM)
When to take profit?

When to enter?

Perennial questions that bother UTF investors.

Rather than worry about it and remain clueless and continue to worry because you have no plan.

Rather, have a plan and remain wise and composed and hence less worry!

Try this method:

Let's say you have RM 100K to invest and you have determined to be a moderate risk taker (assuming you have done the risk profile questionnaire that is available from most UT Companies).

So you have decided to split 50% Libra Asnita Bond, 25% Kenanga Growth Fund and 25% Manulife US Equity Fund.

That will be:

Asnita = RM 50K
KGF    = RM 25K
US      = RM 25K

One year later:

Your portfolio looks something like this

Asnita =  RM 52,500.00 (gain 5%)
KGF    =  RM 22,500.00 (loss 10%)
US      =  RM 28,750.00 (gain 15%)
              =======
Portfolio= RM 103,750.00 (gain of 3.75%)

When you rebalance you will try to make them back to the same % that is:

Rebalanced:

Asnita =  RM 51,875.00 (50%)
KGF    =  RM 25,937.50 (25%)
US      =  RM 25,937.50 (25%)
                  ======
Portfolio =RM 103,750.00
From this you will realized that you are selling US Fund & a little of the Asnita Bond (or taking profit) and putting them into KGF (topping up) because KGF has seen a sell down.

In this way, a savvy investor have a system that will prompt them to sell or top up the funds in a systematic way.

This method is called "asset allocation model" method. It is scientific, it is unemotional, it can take away your fear and greed. You do not have to rely on external noises anymore!

Xuzen
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Thanks for sharing. I was reading Tony Robbins's book (Money Master The Game)and similar way of asset allocation is mentioned laugh.gif
Going to use this method as my foundation.
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QUOTE(iLegend @ Sep 21 2016, 06:07 PM)
Thanks for sharing. I was reading Tony Robbins's book (Money Master The Game)and similar way of asset allocation is mentioned laugh.gif
Going to use this method as my foundation.
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QUOTE(vincabby @ Sep 20 2016, 09:49 PM)
good question. that's why i'm not too sure and coming here to ask questions. seeing a lot of ppl " taking profit" every now and then. so wondering if it somehow applies to UTs as well.
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I have been investing in stock markets for years, but am still new to UT and still learning. This is what I think...

In stock investment, I would sell a stock under following conditions:
1. The stock is overpriced.
2. The company's fundamentals have deteriorated.
3. There are better opportunities elsewhere.
4. I need money.

Now, 3 & 4 are applicable to UT investment too.
On top of that, I would add the criteria explained by wong sifu in post #444.

As for portfolio re-balancing raised by Xuzen, I always insist that, first and foremost, we re-balance through top up. Only if this is not possible that we sell funds which are over-represented.
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QUOTE(quackpack @ Sep 21 2016, 04:18 PM)
Any comment with the way below for profit preservation?

Lets say I set a target of above 3% for equity, when I hit the target , I will try to preserve that by allocating the profit into fixed income funds. In a way I am diluting the equity funds but when the NAV of the equity goes down, I can decide to rebalance from bond funds or let it be.
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yes. how about this? from high risk to low risk. can't be always just talk about cutting losses when want to take money out. eventually, you need to take it out am i right? so why not take it when u have a profit margin that you are comfortable with?
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QUOTE(quackpack @ Sep 21 2016, 04:18 PM)
Any comment with the way below for profit preservation?

Lets say I set a target of above 3% for equity, when I hit the target , I will try to preserve that by allocating the profit into fixed income funds. In a way I am diluting the equity funds but when the NAV of the equity goes down, I can decide to rebalance from bond funds or let it be.
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QUOTE(vincabby @ Sep 21 2016, 07:54 PM)
yes. how about this? from high risk to low risk. can't be always just talk about cutting losses when want to take money out. eventually, you need to take it out am i right? so why not take it when u have a profit margin that you are comfortable with?
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This maybe one of the hardest question to answer to my mind so don't feel bad if you don't get it spot on, if you cash in your chips in a certain investment it will almost certainly go up, if you stick with it you will almost certainly sedition go down, could taking half be the answer?
Some said 'run your winners and cut your losers'.
While others said 'it's never a bad time to take profits'.

There is no correct time to take profits unless you are the only person in the world who can accurately time the markets, but profit, once taken, becomes real profit, in your hand.
If you think the euphoria will continue and markets will rise further next week and beyond, stay put and enjoy it: if not, consider taking some profits, to enjoy, or re-invest at a better time.

There is no right or wrong answers…it is just yours and other individuals.
Hope this helps.

(got these from the web...I cannot write that logical sense)
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 21 2016, 08:24 PM)
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This maybe one of the hardest question to answer to my mind so don't feel bad if you don't get it spot on, if you cash in your chips in a certain investment it will almost certainly go up, if you stick with it you will almost certainly sedition go down, could taking half be the answer?
Some said 'run your winners and cut your losers'.
While others said 'it's never a bad time to take profits'.

There is no correct time to take profits unless you are the only person in the world who can accurately time the markets, but profit, once taken, becomes real profit, in your hand.
If you think the euphoria will continue and markets will rise further next week and beyond, stay put and enjoy it: if not, consider taking some profits, to enjoy, or re-invest at a better time.

There is no right or wrong answers…it is just yours and other individuals.
Hope this helps.

(got these from the web...I cannot write that logical sense)
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I agree... take profit if you want and move on to find other opportunities..
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 21 2016, 08:24 PM)
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This maybe one of the hardest question to answer to my mind so don't feel bad if you don't get it spot on, if you cash in your chips in a certain investment it will almost certainly go up, if you stick with it you will almost certainly sedition go down, could taking half be the answer?
Some said 'run your winners and cut your losers'.
While others said 'it's never a bad time to take profits'.

There is no correct time to take profits unless you are the only person in the world who can accurately time the markets, but profit, once taken, becomes real profit, in your hand.
If you think the euphoria will continue and markets will rise further next week and beyond, stay put and enjoy it: if not, consider taking some profits, to enjoy, or re-invest at a better time.

There is no right or wrong answers…it is just yours and other individuals.
Hope this helps.

(got these from the web...I cannot write that logical sense)
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thanks for taking time to give a reply. u are right to say no right or wrong answer so just wanna know what people think here.
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This guy here, like many others have worded the word or concept of "profit taking" as rebalancing......

Rebalancing is actually a pretty personal thing, because everyone’s portfolio will look different. But the basic concept is to take profit from the funds which have done well, and invest into the funds which are underweight.

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...og_archive_2010


Rebalancing My Portfolio
I am putting my own portfolio through a rebalancing exercise. I only do this once a year. The basic concept is to take profit for your winners, put some of the profits into your loser or laggard markets, and also, ensure that you don’t have too much into one particular area.

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...og_archive_2009

looks quite similar with page#22, post # 438

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Sep 21 2016, 07:54 PM)
yes. how about this? from high risk to low risk.
can't be always just talk about cutting losses when want to take money out. eventually, you need to take it out am i right? so why not take it when u have a profit margin that you are comfortable with?
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I have a very good answer for this. Because of something called compound interest. I want my 7% earned to earn another 7% too.

i'm more of supporter of what wong sifu said in post #444.

QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 21 2016, 08:24 PM)
If you think the euphoria will continue and markets will rise further next week and beyond, stay put and enjoy it: if not, consider taking some profits, to enjoy, or re-invest at a better time.
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if i know the euphoria will and will not continue, there's really no need to discuss anything. my sticking point is, we can't time the market hence the statement doesn't quite work.

Also, yes, eventually we will take the money out, but i only plan to take them out, if i need them to achieve my goals, ie buy car/house, other personal milestone. that's why i invested in the first place. of course, hopefully when i withdraw my investments, it's not another 2008. biggrin.gif



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QUOTE(quackpack @ Sep 21 2016, 04:18 PM)
Any comment with the way below for profit preservation?

Lets say I set a target of above 3% for equity, when I hit the target , I will try to preserve that by allocating the profit into fixed income funds. In a way I am diluting the equity funds but when the NAV of the equity goes down, I can decide to rebalance from bond funds or let it be.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 21 2016, 10:39 PM)
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Also, yes, eventually we will take the money out, but i only plan to take them out, if i need them to achieve my goals, ie buy car/house, other personal milestone. that's why i invested in the first place. of course, hopefully when i withdraw my investments, it's not another 2008. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 21 2016, 08:24 PM)
...........There is no right or wrong answers…it is just yours and other individuals.
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thumbup.gif both are examples of individual's personals targets...... thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(adele123 @ Sep 21 2016, 10:39 PM)
.......if i know the euphoria will and will not continue, there's really no need to discuss anything. my sticking point is, we can't time the market hence the statement doesn't quite work.
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hmm.gif no one knows how it will goes...it will always have to depends on individual judgement as to whether one want to stay out, step in or do nothing..... thus the original words used is "If you think the euphoria will continue...." not "If you "know" the euphoria will continue ......."
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I just saw a section in FSM that says new funds so that got me thinking how do you guys judge whether to plunge into a new fund?

is it the geographical location? the management involved in the fund? the investment the fund is investing?

if so what makes you believe this fund will be THE fund in the future?
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 22 2016, 08:54 AM)
I just saw a section in FSM that says new funds so that got me thinking how do you guys judge whether to plunge into a new fund?

is it the geographical location? the management involved in the fund? the investment the fund is investing?

if so what makes you believe this fund will be THE fund in the future?
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There's no really 'THE' fund.

Anyway, i did buy into that Eastspring ASIA PACIFIC EX-JAPAN TARGET RETURN FUND when it was launched for like 2-3 months. at the time i already have cimb AP fund.

decision was made based on track record in other funds and reputation of that fund house. also at the time still a little blur and was very gungho about investing in AP ex Japan.

my least performing fund to date, though mostly due to timing really. though result would be better if i stuck to CIMB AP.
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https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/insurance/...underwriting-18

I tried opening the link on my phone and plug in didn't support it. anyways should I get it for my dad? I can't view the terms and conditions atm.

he isn't covered by any insurance and he is age 59 now and I am worried that anything happens to him, my measly 30k emergency fund I have isn't enough to cover him. I hope this doesn't divulge the topic since its under FSm
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https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/insurance/...underwriting-18

I tried opening the link on my phone and plug in didn't support it. anyways should I get it for my dad? I can't view the terms and conditions atm.

he isn't covered by any insurance and he is age 59 now and I am worried that anything happens to him, my measly 30k emergency fund I have isn't enough to cover him. I hope this doesn't divulge the topic since its under FSm
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You should get medical insurance for him. He needs that the most at his current age.
It is similar to whole life insurance. The payouts from this insurance only benefit the beneficiaries, not the person covered under this policy.

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 22 2016, 11:26 AM)
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/insurance/...underwriting-18

I tried opening the link on my phone and plug in didn't support it. anyways should I get it for my dad? I can't view the terms and conditions atm.

he isn't covered by any insurance and he is age 59 now and I am worried that anything happens to him, my measly 30k emergency fund I have isn't enough to cover him. I hope this doesn't divulge the topic since its under FSm
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I think as a medical professional u should know that government hospitals, though having long queues, is the place to go to for "serious" illnesses like cancer?

I think u worry too much, too pessimistic. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 22 2016, 08:54 AM)
I just saw a section in FSM that says new funds so that got me thinking how do you guys judge whether to plunge into a new fund?

is it the geographical location? the management involved in the fund? the investment the fund is investing?

if so what makes you believe this fund will be THE fund in the future?
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I do not advocate new fund. I prefer fund that have proven track record (min 3 years of consistent above peer performance) to be included in my radar.

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QUOTE(iamoracle @ Sep 22 2016, 11:34 AM)
You should get medical insurance for him. He needs that the most at his current age.
It is similar to whole life insurance. The payouts from this insurance only benefit the beneficiaries, not the person covered under this policy.
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Thank you. I can't view the brochure. Thought I may have found an answer to my dads health.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 22 2016, 11:36 AM)
I think as a medical professional u should know that government hospitals, though having long queues, is the place to go to for "serious" illnesses like cancer?

I think u worry too much, too pessimistic. wink.gif
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I have a friend who's father got into a stroke last month. He lives near Sarawak general hospital so he thought okay let's head Ther instead of private hospital. (During a stroke there is a golden time of three hours any more than that the damage will be irreparable) so upon reaching sgh, there was a lack of doctors and he waited 5 hours and now his father is unable to walk and this was just a minor stroke mind you.

So yeah it is better to plan for the worst than hope for the best.


QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 22 2016, 11:37 AM)
I do not advocate new fund. I prefer fund that have proven track record (min 3 years of consistent above peer performance) to be included in my radar.

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Exactly my thoughts thank you master.

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 22 2016, 11:26 AM)
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/insurance/...underwriting-18

I tried opening the link on my phone and plug in didn't support it. anyways should I get it for my dad? I can't view the terms and conditions atm.

he isn't covered by any insurance and he is age 59 now and I am worried that anything happens to him, my measly 30k emergency fund I have isn't enough to cover him. I hope this doesn't divulge the topic since its under FSm
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I think this benefit d beneficiary and quite affordable too.

Thinking to buy for my dad and mom. Any comments?
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 22 2016, 11:42 AM)
I have a friend who's father got into a stroke last month. He lives near Sarawak general hospital so he thought okay let's head Ther instead of private hospital. (During a stroke there is a golden time of three hours any more than that the damage will be irreparable) so upon reaching sgh, there was a lack of doctors and he waited 5 hours and now his father is unable to walk and this was just a minor stroke mind you.

So yeah it is better to plan for the worst than hope for the best.
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I dunno lar, different sickness different needs. Last time my late mum go government hospital for her breast cancer treatments. Had she went to private, I think my family would be bankrupted. sweat.gif
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it is the time of the year again..... last year was in Nov.
(just like the usual time of the month for the opposite sex)....
time for reflections after the few days of holiday break....

just noticed that my investment ROI is about 12%
just did a mental calculation.....if my investment portfolio were to increase 10% pa consecutively uninterrupted for another 6 1/2 years.....
my investment ROI is about 65 + 12 = 77%
which would mean a 10 yrs investment period...... bangwall.gif an approximate IRR of about 6.5%??
cry.gif  realized that "dasecret" was right when he said, "mathematically" impossible to achieve my dream IRR of 8%

if I were to insist on IRR as a mean to see how my investment performed.....then I guess no amount of "GOOD" basket of diversified funds can help to get that......thus not fair / right / correct way of judging how my selected funds performed.

hmm.gif if I dun't look at IRR as a whole, should I look at M-O-M or Y-O-Y to see how my selections of funds in my portfolio performed?

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Actually something I suggested last time that you have not considered is - Injecting new capital. Is that not an option?
Anyway, I think pink boss does his 12 months rolling returns to consider current CAGR instead of keep going back to the dark times and not see any improvements in the IRR. Perhaps you can do that too
But the KEY is, you need to normalise your portfolio. Decide on your asset allocation for the long term, and plan how would you rebalance to that position within the next 3-6 months. Holding on to the bunch of MY smallcap funds is not a sensible mid-long term plan

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 20 2016, 09:02 PM)
You may want to consider mr guy way. Watch the nav for low value. Buy in. Once it exceeded a certain threshold, sell. He make 7+% with that method. No DCA what so ever.
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You know what, what you suggested is not what uncle looi asked for. It's just what you wanted desperately for people to endorse. The only way to know if it works is for YOU to go test it out and report back.

As a responsible forumer I must however highlight that even guy3288 seems to think luck is on his side when he does it, and our precious metal guy also did not encourage people to follow his method although he has an IRR of 70+%

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say for 3 years scope, that means 21% at the end of 3 years. I sell and not invest? just one scenario.
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I like this 2 methods particularly, it's easier for a haphazard person like me. Methododical is not quite for me.

I have quite a few funds with >21% returns after 3 years, but I'm not selling them since they are moving in the right direction. One of it is the latest darling in this thread, RHB Asian Income fund that I have for >3 years and IRR is 10+%
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 22 2016, 12:28 PM)
........ Holding on to the bunch of MY smallcap funds is not a sensible mid-long term plan
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hmm.gif there are certain period in times (historically.... past few years)..that would be a very good and fruitful options... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 22 2016, 12:28 PM)
Holding on to the bunch of MY smallcap funds is not a sensible mid-long term plan

You know what, what you suggested is not what uncle looi asked for. It's just what you wanted desperately for people to endorse. The only way to know if it works is for YOU to go test it out and report back.

As a responsible forumer I must however highlight that even guy3288 seems to think luck is on his side when he does it, and our precious metal guy also did not encourage people to follow his method although he has an IRR of 70+%
I like this 2 methods particularly, it's easier for a haphazard person like me. Methododical is not quite for me.

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Why is that so? (smallcap)

We will see. We will see. bruce.gif

Also, I have something to asked you. Why do you prefer Affin Quantum (Ponzi 1) vs Cimb AP (Ponzi 2) when Ponzi 2 have lower risk and better track records?
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Any comment with the way below for profit preservation?

Lets say I set a target of above 3% for equity, when I hit the target , I will try to preserve that by allocating the profit into fixed income funds. In a way I am diluting the equity funds but when the NAV of the equity goes down, I can decide to rebalance from bond funds or let it be.
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 22 2016, 12:28 PM)
Actually something I suggested last time that you have not considered is - Injecting new capital. Is that not an option?
Anyway, I think pink boss does his 12 months rolling returns to consider current CAGR instead of keep going back to the dark times and not see any improvements in the IRR. Perhaps you can do that too
But the KEY is, you need to normalise your portfolio. Decide on your asset allocation for the long term, and plan how would you rebalance to that position within the next 3-6 months. Holding on to the bunch of MY smallcap funds is not a sensible mid-long term plan
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rclxms.gif thanks for responding....

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Injecting new capital... hmm.gif
injected at wrong time & wrong place...could make the current IRR worst.

12 months rolling value....that is a good option.. thumbsup.gif

past few days had been rethinking....
most probably,..kicking out some small cap funds to CMF.....
most probably,...
50% in Asia Pac thru Ponzi 1 & 2
30% in M'sia thru KGF and EISC
20% CMF......for Sailang and pull back..... thru timing the corrections and sell this 20% when gained 5%

blink.gif Timing the corrections.... laugh.gif puke.gif Are you feeling lucky! Punk rolleyes.gif

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20% CMF......for Sailang and pull back..... thru timing the corrections and sell this 20% when gained 5%

blink.gif Timing the corrections.... laugh.gif  puke.gif Are you feeling lucky! Punk  rolleyes.gif
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innocent.gif well at least the returns of CMF are better if not is on par with some of the bond funds in the past 3 yrs.... biggrin.gif
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Also, I have something to asked you. Why do you prefer Affin Quantum (Ponzi 1) vs Cimb AP (Ponzi 2) when Ponzi 2 have lower risk and better track records?
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Why is that so? (smallcap)

We will see. We will see. bruce.gif

Also, I have something to asked you. Why do you prefer Affin Quantum (Ponzi 1) vs Cimb AP (Ponzi 2) when Ponzi 2 have lower risk and better track records?
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there are certain period in times (historically.... past few years)..that would be a very good and fruitful options... 
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 22 2016, 12:46 PM)
Why is that so? (smallcap)

We will see. We will see.

Also, I have something to asked you. Why do you prefer Affin Quantum (Ponzi 1) vs Cimb AP (Ponzi 2) when Ponzi 2 have lower risk and better track records?
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MY smallcap - If you read the recent article by FSM, there is liquidity risk and therefore it is recommended for it to form no more than 20% of overall portfolio. I believe uncle looi is holding way above that and hence reminded him to reconsider asset allocation.
Of course, this don't apply to people who think gambler's style is better than asset allocation method

Ponzi 1 vs Ponzi 2 - as T231H pointed out, the 2 funds invest in fairly different markets and are not so correlated. Ponzi 2 did very well in 2013-first half 2015 but is heading downhill lately while ponzi 1 is on uptrend this year. So no right or wrong answer. I have both.
Just that I have a bunch of Asia ex JP fund and ponzi 1 is less correlated to them while ponzi 2 is highly correlated to them.
Risk rating sometimes don't mean a lot. REITs fund is another good example. ponzi 1's volatility is fairly low even compared to large cap asia pac funds like AmAsia equity income or EI Asia pac fund

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Injecting new capital...
injected at wrong time & wrong place...could make the current IRR worst.

12 months rolling value....that is a good option.. thumbsup.gif

past few days had been rethinking....
most probably,..kicking out some small cap funds to CMF.....
most probably,...
50% in Asia Pac thru Ponzi 1 & 2
30% in M'sia thru KGF and EISC
20% CMF......for Sailang and pull back..... thru timing the corrections and sell this 20% when gained 5%

Timing the corrections.... Are you feeling lucky! Punk 
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Good luck is all I can say lor
Capital injection I'd do using RSP method lor, right or wrong also would be averaged out, won't be highest or lowest
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I have a portfolio in this proportion :-

1. CIMB-Principal Asia Pac Dynamic Income - 25 %
2. Eastspring Inv Global Emerging Markets - 25 %
3. Kenanga Growth Fund - 25%
4. RHB Asian Income Fund - 25%

Anyone care to give some comments on it ?

Any recommendation how I should re-balance or add new fund ?
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I have a portfolio in this proportion :-

1. CIMB-Principal Asia Pac Dynamic Income - 25 %
2. Eastspring Inv Global Emerging Markets - 25 %
3. Kenanga Growth Fund - 25%
4. RHB Asian Income Fund - 25%

Anyone care to give some comments on it ?

Any recommendation how I should re-balance or add new fund ?
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you got an aggressive portfolio there. 75% equity 25% balanced fund. you have more room to diversify your investment especially buying funds investing in US and Europe. yours is Asia centric. so no need to rebalanced unless... you need to answer these questions.

How long did you invest in this portfolio? do you have the appetite to higher higher risk? what is your investment goals? do you want to play it safer?

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Tried doing some "Creative Accounting"....simulation..
i moved out 20% of my funds money out.....
the IRR value and ROI values remains the same,...before and after..... biggrin.gif

(should i try to have 2 data files? one is original and 1 is with abit of "creative accounting"?)
will try to add back the money later as "Capital injection" when the opportunity comes......to see if the IRR/ROI can go up or down...
as it had been mentioned before.....addition new large % of sum added in and if there is changes in ROI of this new capital....it can create "larger" effects on + ive IRR value....

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hmm.gif will that "Creative Accounting" on IRR works without really putting in "extra" capital?

hmm.gif IRR/ROI works with "Past" gain/lost....... hmm.gif looks possible......

can the accounting sifus confirm?....
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 22 2016, 04:28 PM)
Tried doing some "Creative Accounting"....simulation..
i moved out 20% of my funds money out.....
the IRR value and ROI values remains the same,...before and after..... biggrin.gif

(should i try to have 2 data files? one is original and 1 is with abit of "creative accounting"?)
will try to add back the money later as "Capital injection" when the opportunity comes......to see if the IRR/ROI can go up or down...
as it had been mentioned before.....addition new large % of sum added in and if there is changes in ROI of this new capital....it can create "larger" effects on + ive IRR value....

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Yes, you could move the data on your initial purchases to another excel tab, and the IRR calculations would work fine with these initial purchases data (dates and amount spend) and the current value of your portfolio.

All the manipulations on the portfolio - how you switch funds, how often you do it, how much you improve (or make worse) the gains from the switches, no matter how you "rebalance" the portfolio - have no "creative accounting" effect on the IRR.

Because the IRR is depended solely on the initial purhases - initial dates and amounts spend.

All the subsequent trading or swithces or rebalancing are just a 'black box' operations to improve the current value of the porfolio; and it does not really matter to the excel function XIRR one bit if you discard or put all this switching/trading data on another tab; except for the current value of the portfolio.

Yes, fresh funds* added in would have an immediate effect on the IRR - because these would be new "initial purchases".

If I were you (with inital bad purchases and dismay IRR), I would look more into the year-to-year growth. If the yearly growth for the past recent years are satisfactory, then be happy with it - as this shows that you are on the right track.

Being on the right track would boost the confidence of a person who maybe is deciding whether or not to add more fresh money into his portfolio - say a huge amount of money withdrawn from EPF at age 50 or 55.

(This yearly growth or short term growth might not be that important to another person who is still in the accumulation stage with regular fresh purchases with longer term investment plan.)

*fresh funds as in fresh money, not switching to a new fund.

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Another method to know whether you are on the right track, is basing the IRR on the current portfolio, and ignoring the dates and values of the "intial purchases".

The 'current portfolio' is the funds you are having now. Just consider the dates and values of the purchases/switches that built up the funds you have currently. The IRR calculated would be the IRR of the current portfolio, without back dating to the day you really started into UT investment.

To keep track of the actual ROI, you would need to keep track of all the past switches you have done (can put them into a separate exel file or tab), so that you have the ROI of the past switches. This ROI together with the ROI from the 'current portfolio' will add up to the actual ROI you have since day 1.

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hmm.gif not sure if I did it correctly due to noob in accounting and IRR stuffs.....

was playing with the portfolio money....

used back old data...
12 Feb was the lowest IRR...
took abt 30% $$ out of investment (recorded as +)

in April put back the same value.....buy into Ponzi 1.0 (recorded as -)

July.....ROI and IRR increase > than if I were to stick to original plan of doing nothing...

(data need to be confirmed again.....)

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Almost finished attachment with an asset management.. I think many of you guys own their fund.. very good fund rclxm9.gif

I dont own their fund.. so I guess I'm safe in terms of investment ethics.. otherwise I wouldve needed to sell all of the units related to the asset management before attaching with them.. sweat.gif

Anyone going to InvestSmart? The schedule is a little bit confusing.. they're named session 1, session 2, etc.. so I couldnt decide which ones I want to go to.. LOL

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Almost finished attachment with an asset management.. I think many of you guys own their fund..  rclxm9.gif
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you got an aggressive portfolio there.  75% equity 25% balanced fund. you have more room to diversify your investment especially buying funds investing in US and Europe. yours is Asia centric.  so no need to rebalanced unless... you need to answer these questions.

How long did you invest in this portfolio? do you have the appetite to higher higher risk? what is your investment goals? do you want to play it safer?
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Hey thanks for the info.

I got misled by the name, item 2 ".... global emerging market". Apparently it is still primarily Asian focus ?

Any example of US & Europe based funds ?
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Almost finished attachment with an asset management.. I think many of you guys own their fund.. very good fund  rclxm9.gif

I dont own their fund.. so I guess I'm safe in terms of investment ethics.. otherwise I wouldve needed to sell all of the units related to the asset management before attaching with them.. sweat.gif

Anyone going to InvestSmart? The schedule is a little bit confusing.. they're named session 1, session 2, etc.. so I couldnt decide which ones I want to go to.. LOL
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Care to share what fund is that?
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Hey thanks for the info.

I got misled by the name, item 2  ".... global emerging market". Apparently it is still primarily Asian focus ?

Any example of US & Europe based funds ?
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this fund is a broad spectrum fund that invests in international emerging markets. I am not saying this is bad though. check the prospectus buddy.
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Hey thanks for the info.

I got misled by the name, item 2  ".... global emerging market". Apparently it is still primarily Asian focus ?

Any example of US & Europe based funds ?
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this fund is a broad spectrum fund that invests in international emerging markets. I am not saying this is bad though. check the prospectus buddy.

oh to answer your question you can look into TA Europe, Global titans fund, ta global
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QUOTE(_azam13 @ Sep 22 2016, 08:09 PM)
Almost finished attachment with an asset management.. I think many of you guys own their fund.. very good fund  rclxm9.gif

I dont own their fund.. so I guess I'm safe in terms of investment ethics.. otherwise I wouldve needed to sell all of the units related to the asset management before attaching with them.. sweat.gif

Anyone going to InvestSmart? The schedule is a little bit confusing.. they're named session 1, session 2, etc.. so I couldnt decide which ones I want to go to.. LOL
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You mean to say Public China Select Fund (PCSF)? ranting.gif bangwall.gif vmad.gif doh.gif

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I have more in Ponzi2. How abt Titan?
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CIMB Global Titans?

If you look at the 10-year chart, it was under-water for the majority of the time. The average return for 10-year is 4.96%, if you hung on that long. And have the patience.

Given the risks (under-water for extended periods), it may not be a good fund to select. I am not going to suggest any "ratios", or any regular investment method because a bad fund is a bad fund.

If you look at the shorter term, like the 2015 performance, it has done really well. In 2016, it has been not well.

It could be a good fund if you review and re-balance regularly (exactly how often, it depends), but otherwise no.







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You mean to say Public China Select Fund (PCSF)?  ranting.gif  bangwall.gif  vmad.gif  doh.gif

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QUOTE(_azam13 @ Sep 22 2016, 08:09 PM)
Almost finished attachment with an asset management.. I think many of you guys own their fund.. very good fund  rclxm9.gif

I dont own their fund.. so I guess I'm safe in terms of investment ethics.. otherwise I wouldve needed to sell all of the units related to the asset management before attaching with them.. sweat.gif

Anyone going to InvestSmart? The schedule is a little bit confusing.. they're named session 1, session 2, etc.. so I couldnt decide which ones I want to go to.. LOL
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Wow... which asset management? Can get me in also?
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Anyone going to InvestSmart? The schedule is a little bit confusing.. they're named session 1, session 2, etc.. so I couldnt decide which ones I want to go to.. LOL
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Wow... which asset management? Can get me in also?
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Sifus here know much more than me.

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Me
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Care to share how to choose which session?
Obviously you're not going to all of them, right? sweat.gif

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 22 2016, 06:48 PM)
hmm.gif not sure if I did it correctly due to noob in accounting and IRR stuffs.....

was playing with the portfolio money....

used back old data...
12 Feb was the lowest IRR...
took abt 30% $$ out of investment (recorded as +)

in April put back the same value.....buy into Ponzi 1.0 (recorded as -)

July.....ROI and IRR increase > than if I were to stick to original plan of doing nothing...

(data need to be confirmed again.....)
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Maybe it would helps if you can explain what you intended to do with the 'maths', rather than showing the 'maths' and asking whether it is done correctly.

As what you have done was only to show that the ROI and IRR goes up and down. This we already know - that equity funds can be volatile. smile.gif


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Maybe it would helps if you can explain what you intended to do with the 'maths', rather than showing the 'maths' and asking whether it is done correctly.

As what you have done was only to show that the ROI and IRR goes up and down. This we already know - that equity funds can be volatile.  smile.gif
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thanks for taking interest in this.... notworthy.gif

I was discussing about the need to do capital injection to try to raise the IRR....
my maths was trying to shows that, without actual capital injection and by just doing some moving around of funds, the IRR can moves.....
sort of refer to post# 480

"IF" Irr values can be "played" by that,.....then frequent traders "may" have a better performing IRR.

thumbsup.gif from you....
If I were you (with inital bad purchases and dismay IRR), I would look more into the year-to-year growth. If the yearly growth for the past recent years are satisfactory, then be happy with it - as this shows that you are on the right track.

thumbsup.gif from Dasecret....
Anyway, I think pink boss does his 12 months rolling returns to consider current CAGR instead of keep going back to the dark times and not see any improvements in the IRR. Perhaps you can do that too

thumbsup.gif OK,..will try the Y-O-Y.
hmm.gif just wondering if this method can be "played" out too.
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thumbsup.gif OK,..will try the Y-O-Y.
hmm.gif just wondering if this method can be "played" out too.
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while doing that,...remember to take a more balanced approach....

if your maths does proved to be "correct/sensible"......
those buy and hold investors that are having low total investment IRRs can spot some reliefs .... rclxm9.gif

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this fund is a broad spectrum fund that invests in international emerging markets. I am not saying this is bad though. check the prospectus buddy.

oh to answer your question you can look into TA Europe, Global titans fund, ta global
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For this moment I am not convinced that TA Europe, Global Titans and Ta global are better than Eastspring Inv Global Emerging Market.


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For this moment I am not convinced that TA Europe, Global Titans and Ta global are better than Eastspring Inv Global Emerging Market.
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Lesson of the day -

Don't judge a fund purely on it's historical performance per se

If u launch a China equity fund on the peak of the China stocks bull run, no way u could have a positive to-date performance to boot unless you have a superman fund manager.

If u launch a large cap Malaysia equity fund and manage it during a period of stagnant returns for Malaysian large caps, no way you could have delivered a beautiful return unless you have the flexibility to diversify into small-mid caps.

If u launch an Oil & Gas equity fund now, probably in X years' time u will have an award-winning fund with people worshipping u like God notworthy.gif
P.S. - but u might have problem getting investors to jump on board. Historical returns mana? Charts mana? U dare see? tongue.gif

You get the point.

Judge a fund on whether it managed to outperform or at least match the return of it's peers.

Judge the fund on whether it managed to outperform it's benchmark ONLY IF you have access to the benchmark.


E.g. if the benchmark of a bond fund is 12-months FD, you can judge it's "investability" on whether it managed to outperform FD; if the benchmark of a US equity fund is S&P 500 index, don't judge it in relation to the index if you have no access to an S&P 500 index fund, measure it against it's peers that you have access to i.e. other fund houses' US equity fund.

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This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Sep 23 2016, 10:54 AM

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