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river.sand
post Sep 6 2016, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 6 2016, 02:29 PM)
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/p...k-panic-selling

U guys may be interested to read this:

Personnel changes at RHB Asset Management spark panic selling
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In other words, RHB AM didn't sell the small cap stocks. But other investors dump those stocks for fear that RHB AM would do so.

That's interesting hmm.gif
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post Sep 6 2016, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 6 2016, 03:19 PM)
My interpretation of the whole thing -

Those stocks are purely goreng stocks with no/bad fundamentals, fund management community has been pushing them up in concert with each other. devil.gif

Then one of them left the party... bye.gif

If u are one of those remaining, u lari from those stocks or not? rclxs0.gif

Jangan sue me! innocent.gif
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post Sep 7 2016, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 7 2016, 03:50 PM)
Digging up an old topic
https://www.imoney.my/articles/how-to-achie...our-30s-40s-50s

Went to make some noise and they edited the post finally; but the numbers look a lot worse  sweat.gif

p/s: Wanted to still complain that it's not right to use 1 year return for retirement planning... but forget it la, no one really cares I guess - not the person who wrote it nor the sponsor of the article
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post Sep 9 2016, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(David3700 @ Sep 9 2016, 10:04 PM)
Earn money of course. Just not familiar with how to maximize return in UT  biggrin.gif
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1. Retirement
2. Children education
3. Wealth accumulation
4. Mas kahwin
5. Others (please specify)
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post Sep 10 2016, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 10 2016, 02:56 PM)
Saturday (reminder) lesson from Pinky:

Comparison with benchmark

Evaluation of a fund against its benchmark is a meaningless exercise if you do not have access or the means to invest in the benchmark yourself.

So long as the fund performed commendably against its PEERS that you have access to and it fits your long-term investment agenda, it is a good fund.
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So, Aladdin is ok?
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post Sep 12 2016, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 12 2016, 03:43 AM)
Bagus la bro... !

Everyday, somebody will write something, and a bunch of people will think it's the good honest truth. What makes it worse is that it comes from legitimate sites.

WSJ vs CNBC
Pay close attention to the dates. 😂😂😂

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So how?
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Some stocks do well even when the economy is bad. Others perform badly even when the economy is hot.

We all know that many unemployed people go back to school during bad time. I guess many others also join Amway in order to earn side income. (Of course in the end they are poorer by a few hundred rm every month, while their uplines are laughing to bank.)

As UTF investors we don't pick stocks directly. The best we can do is to diversify and plan for long term.

This post has been edited by river.sand: Sep 12 2016, 09:02 AM
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post Sep 13 2016, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 13 2016, 09:33 AM)
Hang around to shoot the trolls as and when they appear is our duty. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Better hang around Kuchai Lama bar and be pampered by Viet girls laugh.gif
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post Sep 13 2016, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(yuatyi @ Sep 13 2016, 07:32 PM)
Wise words! Copied this down for reference.  thumbup.gif
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Rebalancing doesn't always involve purchase/sale/switching. A minor rebalancing can be achieved via the mean of topup. Read Pinky's post #351 (above).
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post Sep 18 2016, 08:07 PM

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I am trying to search for fund info in Bloomberg. For that I need to enter the 'fund codes', e.g. Public Mutual Aggressive Growth Fund is KLAGGFI:MK.

From where can I get the list of codes for other funds?
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post Sep 19 2016, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 18 2016, 07:38 PM)
Yeah wor, I'm also curious why...

Actually I'm more curious why ppl would invest in REIT funds, as opposed to REITs.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 18 2016, 09:49 PM)
Typical textbook answer and if you are answering question in CFA exam, these points will sure konfirm confirm score you points!  :thumbsup:

My not so textbook answer:

Quite a while ago I came across and article written for the S'pore REITs. It seems that the major risk is the right issue for direct REITS investors.

For REITS exposed UTF, unit-holders need not worry about this right issue thingy. The can continue to sit back relax and enjoy collecting the dividend distribution.

Xuzen
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Right issue will dilute per unit earning, but that's not an issue if the earning continue to grow.
The real headache is bonus issue if it results in odd lot.
Example:
You have 100 unit. Then there is 1 for 4 bonus issue. You get 25 units, which is an odd lot.
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post Sep 19 2016, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Sep 18 2016, 08:07 PM)
I am trying to search for fund info in Bloomberg. For that I need to enter the 'fund codes', e.g. Public Mutual Aggressive Growth Fund is KLAGGFI:MK.

From where can I get the list of codes for other funds?
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wongmunkeong sifu please help notworthy.gif

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post Sep 21 2016, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Sep 20 2016, 09:49 PM)
good question. that's why i'm not too sure and coming here to ask questions. seeing a lot of ppl " taking profit" every now and then. so wondering if it somehow applies to UTs as well.
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I have been investing in stock markets for years, but am still new to UT and still learning. This is what I think...

In stock investment, I would sell a stock under following conditions:
1. The stock is overpriced.
2. The company's fundamentals have deteriorated.
3. There are better opportunities elsewhere.
4. I need money.

Now, 3 & 4 are applicable to UT investment too.
On top of that, I would add the criteria explained by wong sifu in post #444.

As for portfolio re-balancing raised by Xuzen, I always insist that, first and foremost, we re-balance through top up. Only if this is not possible that we sell funds which are over-represented.
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post Sep 22 2016, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(_azam13 @ Sep 22 2016, 08:09 PM)
Almost finished attachment with an asset management.. I think many of you guys own their fund.. very good fund  rclxm9.gif

I dont own their fund.. so I guess I'm safe in terms of investment ethics.. otherwise I wouldve needed to sell all of the units related to the asset management before attaching with them.. sweat.gif

Anyone going to InvestSmart? The schedule is a little bit confusing.. they're named session 1, session 2, etc.. so I couldnt decide which ones I want to go to.. LOL
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Wow... which asset management? Can get me in also?
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post Sep 23 2016, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 23 2016, 12:00 PM)
Walao.  vmad.gif  mad.gif  bangwall.gif I never kacau you also.
At least good or bad times I am assured the 6% whistling.gif imagine bad for 3-4 years. Apa nak buat. Or repeat of 1998 people all panic left & right all withdraw to cut loss but those with ASX FP cool as cucumber.
Asal ~ +-EPF returns & must be > FDs for stable monthly income cukup la.
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Well, I would say it all boils down to your investment horizon.
If it's less than 5 years, ASx makes good sense;
If its more than 10 years, 6% and 10% makes a lot of difference.
(Between 5 and 10 is a grey area.)

Btw, Muslims these days love to talk about syariah compliant. I wonder if the 'assured dividend' of ASx is syariah compliant.
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post Sep 24 2016, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 23 2016, 11:47 PM)
Since we on the ASX FP topic, I just google it and check its ROI, and found that they are around 6.XX% never touching 7%. The Bumiputera only is slightly higher by 100 basis pts.

I took the liberty and checked out FSM list and found that there are 10 Balanced UTF that have above 10% CAGR.

Who's your daddy now!

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I thought you love to talk about text book topic Standard Deviation?
What are the SD and risk adjusted returns of those funds compared to ASx?

Disclaimer:
I have never invested in ASx. Don't shoot me.
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post Sep 24 2016, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 24 2016, 09:19 AM)
Again, back to the reserves topic.

ASx returns are SMOOTHED.

Almost all records of past returns of ASx is only on its dividends declared, I don't find any that use true returns (PROFIT/LOSS).

I.e.
I earn 10 sen I give u 6 sen
I earn 5 sen I give u 6 sen
I earn 12 sen I give u 7 sen
I earn 2 sen I give u 5 sen
And so on...
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You read my siggy, you know I am not exactly concerned with risk volatility, don't you?

But I know some of us here are very, very concerned about volatility. To be fair to them, let someone do the homeworks rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 25 2016, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 24 2016, 10:39 AM)
Riversand, There will not be any Std-Dev for ASX FP UTF or if there is, they are negligible compared to normal UTF as ASX FP UTF's NAV remained fixed.

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Risk free return, something you repeatedly preach, is given by (one of the formula):

Sharpe Ratio = (investment return - risk free rate)/Std-Dev

Now, if Std-Dev for ASx is negligible, the Sharpe Ratio goes towards infinity rclxm9.gif

You are not practicing what you preach brows.gif
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post Sep 25 2016, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Sep 25 2016, 09:05 AM)
For FP ASX, investment return = risk free rate, so Sharpe ratio is 0 regardless of std dev? tongue.gif
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Risk free rate is epf dividend 6.xx%.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Sep 26 2016, 09:06 PM)
My indicators told me to top up KGF in early July'16, Ponzi 1.0 at early Feb'16 and Titan in late Feb'16 brows.gif
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post Sep 27 2016, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 27 2016, 05:39 PM)
I believe only Penjaga Van and Pemain Bola Kristal can be truly considered "active".
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Trader is the more accurate term.


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