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 Fundsupermart.com v15, 基金超市第十五章 - Rise the Dragon

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post Sep 9 2016, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(Styrroyds @ Sep 8 2016, 08:36 PM)
IMO, if you have rm800 to invest per month, you should look for alternatives for Aberdeen.

minimal top up of rm500 can cause your portfolio to be unbalanced.

even if you top up Aberdeen once every 2 months, that's rm500/rm1600, 30% of your entire portfolio
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Actually if you opt for RSP, you can top up Aberdeen with only rm100 every month smile.gif
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post Sep 9 2016, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 9 2016, 08:20 AM)
really?.....in that case, someone MUST tell them to amend their FAQs.....

Q:  Is there a minimum monthly investment amount for RSP?
A: Yes, the minimum monthly investment amount for RSP depends on the individual funds as stated in the factsheet.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...ings-Plan-976#9

or is it a "mistake/confused with".....
Q:  Do I need to have an initial investment before starting a RSP? What is RSP Specialist?
A: You can start your RSP from as low as RM100 per month for most of the funds without having to fulfill the minimum initial investment amount.
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If you look into aberdeen, there is a difference between normal top up and rsp.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...lass-A-MYABD002




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post Sep 9 2016, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 9 2016, 08:20 AM)
What is RSP Specialist?
RSP Special List is a list of funds which enables you to start an RSP at the minimum RSP amount without required a minimum initial purchase.
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EXCEPT for RHB Institutional Islamic Money Market Fund as well as funds from CIMB-Principal Asset Management Berhad and MIDF Amanah Asset Management Berhad where you are required to invest the minimum initial investment amount first before starting the RSP.

Wish to highlight these exception just in case smile.gif
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post Sep 9 2016, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(David3700 @ Sep 9 2016, 08:40 AM)
Sorry, I do not understand. Can enlighten me further ?
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Given that you only expect a return of 4% p.a., you are considered risk averse.

For a risk adverse, your fund allocation (9:1 equity to fixed income ratio) shows that you took too much risk for your expectation.

Where ideally, a risk adverse should have fund allocation on 3:7 equity to fixed income ratio.

Thus, you should readjust your return expectation or your fund allocation to understand which UT best suited your profile. smile.gif
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post Sep 9 2016, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 9 2016, 10:14 AM)
No. Those who bought that fund previously from FSM are allowed to continue holding their units. U have think of them or not? ranting.gif
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Any idea why FSM withdraw Affin Hwang Select Income Fund from further investment?

Buy from Affin Hwang has sales charge 3% sad.gif
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post Sep 9 2016, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 9 2016, 10:27 AM)
Select Income is older, so not 100% comparable sleep.gif

U don't take away biz from my Esther Teo ranting.gif

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From the latest Affin Hwang prospectus available in FSM:

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...ctusMYHWSIF.pdf

Seems like Esther Teo is managing Select Bond Fund now instead.

The current fund managers managing Select Income Fund are as per attachment.

Need to pull biz to the right fund tongue.gif


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post Sep 9 2016, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 9 2016, 11:16 AM)
Ooi is Esther's understudy sleep.gif
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Since we can't invest AFSIF from FSM, is AFSBF a comparable alternative to AFSIF in terms of allocation and return?
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post Sep 9 2016, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 9 2016, 01:54 PM)
AFSBF is select bond right? Also cannot buy from FSM jor. It's pure asian bond fund, with currency hedging. Good stuffs  thumbsup.gif
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No chance to enter AHSIF and AHSBF through FSM then cry.gif

guess i will just stick back to RHB AIF biggrin.gif
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post Sep 10 2016, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 10 2016, 10:39 PM)
Walao.... you really know what I'm most afraid of hor....  tongue.gif
FSM don't sell wor.... how? e-unit trust got or not?
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As from their latest data 23th October 2015 list, eUT showed AHSIF and AHSBF (not sure still available for purchase or not)

https://www.eunittrust.com.my/pdf/OnlineFundList.pdf

How is eUT environment compare to FSM, is it a good alternative to invest UTs that are no longer or not available through FSM?

Anyone here recently experienced with both eUT and FSM to share and compare each side? icon_question.gif


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post Sep 13 2016, 08:26 AM

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Hi all, recently I started to invest in the funds below through RSP:

Kenanga Growth Fund (12.5%)
Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund (12.5%)
Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund (12.5%)
AmAsia Pacific REITs - Class B (MYR) (25%)
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR (25%)
RHB Asian Income Fund (12.5%)

If I want to diversify my portfolio in global or developed market, would Aladdin and Titanic funds good options?

Or is it good to venture into grater china and india/indonesia region UT?

Any other suggestions are welcome for input and discussions smile.gif
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post Sep 13 2016, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 13 2016, 08:55 AM)
I would says depends on risk believes.....
in terms of 3 yrs volatility ratio GTF > Aladdin by 20%, but so is GTF got more return.... biggrin.gif
go for Aladdin if you wanted to give the FM more leeway to moves funds globally instead of only 3.
as for me...I would go with GTF....

according to the 31 July factsheet....
30% of your 25% in CIMB Asia Pac is in HK/CHINA/Taiwan (Greater China) = 8% in Greater China already.

if you want...try this? 1 fund 3 of your intended birds
CIMB-PRINCIPAL CHINA-INDIA-INDONESIA EQUITY FUND
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In that case, would it be wise to invest in both since aladdin (islamic) moves around globally and titanic (conventional) for developed market that my existing portfolio didnt touch much on them?

Actually what i want to say is "greater china or india or indonesia" tongue.gif
Is it better to invest separately (cimb greater china + manulife india + indenoasia fund?) or just cimb china-india-indon?

I am planning to do all of the above via RSP biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 13 2016, 09:12 AM)
Actually what i want to say is "greater china or india or indonesia"  tongue.gif
Is it better to invest separately (cimb greater china + manulife india + indenoasia fund?) or just cimb china-india-indon?

I would say, it depends....most would think that having 1 fund that focused on the 3 instead of individual funds is better/easier....
but some would think that having 3 individuals funds allows the investors to "freely and having more control" to allocates more % into the country of his choices among the 3.....

I would use 1 stone...
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Guess I will go for Aladdin first. RSP easier biggrin.gif

CIMB require initial investment first to RSP later, so Titanic and china-india-indon might delay (RM 1000 initial total gasp...) sweat.gif

Need to save more money for them bruce.gif
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post Sep 13 2016, 04:12 PM

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Was looking through RHB Asian Income Fund's Allocation and came across the drawn part.

What does this hedges means to the allocation?


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post Sep 23 2016, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(tmc @ Sep 23 2016, 10:33 AM)
My humble judgement based on this chart.

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TA global is side by side.
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May be you should look for longer term.




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post Sep 23 2016, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 23 2016, 10:11 PM)
Hi, Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated it. Cause actually I am looking so see whether I am right or not. Like the DCA vs lumpsum. Both methods work. We have proof from both side. DCA works if you have heart of steel. Lumpsum technique works IF can be done like 3-4x/year (again there's proof) if one refuse to take a loss (from observation - when profit hits a certain self target, run)

Also there's a matter of taking profit. Some said hold. Some said skim profit. But if skimming profit, isn't one taking the principal too which will spoil the effect of compounding interest. All too technical calculations as I don't have any financial background. Anyway, I know already what I want already after reading a bit.

I think you guys must have mistaken me here. I am talking about lumpsum RM100k. My lumpsum is only like RM200/each time. laugh.gif This is what I meant -> Instead of buying the fund now at expensive price say this month (RM100/month - DCA style), keep it in CMF/eGIA-i. For me, I choose eGIA-i as it give the highest interest (don't get me started on this) and when next month comes and opportunity comes, one lump sum RM200 inside. I am thinking more along the way of VA.

When I look at the people's posting of tables of (-), board rates, promo rates FD returns, all make me  blink.gif
Because for me personally, I set my own benchmark that a UT MUST beat FD/EPF/ASX FP. Because no point investing so difficult (emotional challenges) when there are simple stuff which get you there too. My teacher used to say why kill a mosquito with a machine gun (making things hard when things are simple) and till this day.

You asked me to forked out lumpsum also I scared sweat.gif From my observation, adults just want their money to be safe (the ones I know and observed)

Hey, I am open to discussion. Sorry if it seems like personal post. lol

Thank you again.
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Sure if you choose to lump sum and hold it through the ups and downs. you might earn more.

However, by doing that you are giving up the opportunity to take advantage of the down time to pump in to polish your return.

This is the advantage DCA have over one lumpsum, by taking advantage of the volatile market.

Given your risk appetite, there are quite some funds that can easily achieve your target in the long run (according to historical performance anyway)

Instead of putting them in FD/EPF/ASX FP, why not put that small lump sum you can afford to get a head start for it to have a return substantially better then the previous vehicles?

Since you are still a student, you can just start with small capital on one fund, and when you have extra money in the future, explore and invest more.

Don't worry about the market timing since no one can accurately estimate the timing of ups and downs.

Just like other pro here says, invest when u have the capital, and withdraw when u need the money.

Given your age, don't over worried the risk to suppress the potential return you could gain smile.gif
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Sep 25 2016, 08:01 AM)
Risk free return, something you repeatedly preach, is given by (one of the formula):

Sharpe Ratio = (investment return - risk free rate)/Std-Dev

Now, if Std-Dev for ASx is negligible, the Sharpe Ratio goes towards infinity  rclxm9.gif

You are not practicing what you preach  brows.gif
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For FP ASX, investment return = risk free rate, so Sharpe ratio is 0 regardless of std dev? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(vseries @ Sep 26 2016, 05:41 PM)
Thanks! Yes, I know distribution is meaningless.. I shouldn't mention distribution in the first place but just now I glance through latest fund factsheet and see they put a nice NAV history... When I asked I already say this fund is 'not so performing'

"Anyone still holding the not so performing RHB Equity Trust?"

... only later from 'not so performing' become 'lousiest performing' by Xuzen smile.gif
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From what I see inside the fact sheet, RHB Equity Trust only have less than 1% in cash liquidity. 96% in Malaysia equity.

Whereas Kenanga Growth Fund has 1/4 in cash and 3/4 in Malaysia Equity.

Their performance difference is HUGE in 3 years at least.





BTW, how do we measure the risk adjusted return from the info given in FSM?

I only rely information like Sharpe Ratio to differentiate between funds.


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QUOTE(howszat @ Sep 26 2016, 09:25 PM)
I would like to recommend that one should never, ever rely on a single criteria.

What else one should look at, it depends. But definitely never "only rely" on one criteria.
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That's why I like to hear from sifus' experience to improve judgement on evaluating funds notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(howszat @ Sep 26 2016, 09:59 PM)
I was afraid you might ask biggrin.gif , but since you did, here are what I look at in no particular order:
- the FSM list of recommended funds
- look at the performance charts. FSM allows you to overlap up to seven funds on the same chart. Include the funds you are interested in and see what you see. Look for funds that under/over-perform in comparison.
- look at performance rankings for the different timeframes, and compare them
- look at the ratios
- google search "economic outlook" and do some reading. I'm not saying I know, or agree, what it all means, but if you don't, find another one that you do.
- give preference to funds where the manager has greater flexibility to adjust between equities/fixed-income ratios.

Sorry, there are a few more "ifs" involved, and I can't give you a spreadsheet where you can just do one click and out comes the answer.

What I can say is I don't believe in DCA-only approach because if you DCA into a shit-fund, the returns will be shit.
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I do compare with peers for a given region/sector to see return performance, stability and diversification.

Some are quite obvious when they are similar but some require to read fact sheet to understand the underlying difference and always comes to personal portfolio diversification and personal taste. tongue.gif

News might be hard to follow as may be due to short term noise, but not sure how these events will affect in terms on long term investing, need to learn more about this insight smile.gif

QUOTE(wayne84 @ Sep 26 2016, 10:12 PM)
101% agree on the DCA thing...If you DCA at wrong timing, Ponzi 1 & 2 return might also taking long time to  catch up.
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I can only rely on RSP at the moment due to limited budget, fix the periodic investment timing and see how they perform only decide to rebalance/switch pull out flex.gif

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post Sep 27 2016, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Sep 27 2016, 01:35 PM)
I'm thinking Asia Dynamic. Asia Quantum latest holding show 39% in Malaysia. That's too high considering I have Eastspring Small Cap.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 27 2016, 01:37 PM)
Quantum is more on small-mid caps, Eastspring is more on small caps. I think the overlap is minimal.
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EISCF invest on small cap not more than rm3 billion (around usd 729 million)

AHSAQF on ther other hand invest at least 3/4 small cap not more than usd 1.5 billion and at most 1/4 mid cap not more than usd 3 billion

Target market differs quite a lot given different region focus and the above investment strategy, so not much to worry about overlapping smile.gif

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