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Fundsupermart.com v15, 基金超市第十五章 - Rise the Dragon
Fundsupermart.com v15, 基金超市第十五章 - Rise the Dragon
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Oct 4 2016, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Oct 4 2016, 09:09 PM) Below is my Main portfolio September performance based on 30/9/16 NAV. why don't you dump smart treasure. I think pieces88 reported of negative returns too.
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Oct 4 2016, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 4 2016, 05:50 PM) Let me guess, public mutual agents? PM bond funds returns lose to FD one... how to sell Besides, bond fund close to zero commission Once on cari chinese forum an agent tell me off, say it's a disservice to the clients to sell them bond fund because of the lacklustre returns. Ahem, the problem is why the bond fund return so little right? Not because your bond fund sucks so you ask client to take more risk than they are supposed/ready to QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 4 2016, 08:59 PM) Possible answer(s): Yeah they are from a family of people doing PM/Manulife. Sometimes I am confused where are they from because they can be seen in both companies' events 1) You are a young person, so they thought perhaps bond fund is too conservative for you. 2) Industry compensation structure. UTC are "penalized" for promoting bond fund by being paid half the commission for regular equity fund. 3) The UTC knows SH1T about asset allocation or how to construct a proper portfolio and are trained by their upline to be pure salesman only. Xuzen Thanks guys! |
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Oct 4 2016, 09:42 PM
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Oct 4 2016, 10:01 PM
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Oct 5 2016, 12:31 AM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 4 2016, 10:54 AM) Guy3288 made an assertion..............., Then he continues," He agrees that timing the market is impractical as in his post #956 on page 48. " I am disappointed by the imprecise way you quote me.Xuzen QUOTE(guy3288 @ Post #956 Oct 3 2016, 03:06 PM) One would be silly to say he knows when is the best time to buy and when is the best time to sell. I dont see how the above can mean to say it is impractical to time the market.No body knows, but that does not mean in that case, you buy it higher or you buy it cheaper, it makes no difference, it doesn't matter, so just buy la. <----this is meant to be sarcastic How can i say timing the market is impractical if I support timing the market? Isn't trying to buy low = timing the market? Or must it only be buying the LOWEST then only considered timing the market, yes that is impractical then. |
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Oct 5 2016, 01:13 AM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 4 2016, 10:54 AM) Also If I were to follow your logic that you want to maximize the units per RM transacted (get more units per buy), then it is most likely you would want to buy into a risky asset that is forever on a downtrend. Sounds funny to me leh! I thought you were one of the few who understood what i was trying to say when i read the ultimate reply from you,Your past post seems full of irony. Xuzen thought we can move on..but now you turn back the clock again...... There is no irony in the following post QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 3 2016, 05:33 PM) more example here, Do you not agree they are waiting to buy at lower NAV? QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Sep 12 2016, 12:39 PM) QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 12 2016, 12:42 PM) the bottom line in discussion there is NAV price to buy and more units to getfor the same amount of money right? If you can agree "Buy low NAV is better", I am sure you understand it is to make money or push up your IRR. So if "getting more units per RM" there" is meant to make money and increase your IRR, what is the irony? To understand it otherwise means you have misunderstood me. lower NAV by itself is automatically translated into more units for the same amount of money paid. I thought i have made my self clear with the KGF example.. QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 3 2016, 03:06 PM) What I am saying all this while is: if you buy at a higher price (eg KGF at RM1.0175 last week), you are losing out to someone who bought it cheaper at RM0.9855 last month. He got more units than you for the SAME amount of money invested. It would be ridiculous to say, out of the hundreds over UTs there, you go pick that one with lowest NAV and buy it.Tell me you agree or not it DOES NOT matter if pay RM10,000 for KGF at RM1.0175 and get only 9828 units whereas another who paid same amount at RM0.9855 got 10147 units? Who cares if KGF holds stocks XYZ at the time when you buy it at RM1.0175, and KGF holds stocks ABC at the time I buy it at RM0.9855?? What i have been saying all this while is: Once you have decided the UT can be a "winner", you keep an eye on it,see who is buying it at what price, who has topped up further at what price ,observe its NAV fluctuations then you buy la. You buy low you have a head start compared to those who buy higher, that's all. And who says this way cannot be done if you want to have more than 1 UT fund in your portfolio. You just need to do the same for each and every UT fund you target to buy. |
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Oct 5 2016, 01:30 AM
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Oct 4 2016, 07:18 PM) Universal truth like buy cheap, buy at basement price bargains also need to have mathematical proof to show advantage over friend? So high class one the discussions.. You think only you alone surprised meh? me too la!QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 3 2016, 03:06 PM) Anyone who is reasonable enough should know there is hardly any need for argument on a simple statement that says if you buy cheaper you win over another who buys it at higher price. common sense, yet it seems that is not so common to many in here...sigh. QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Oct 4 2016, 07:18 PM) I top-up 2 weeks ago, so damn regret la... nav price drop 1% last Friday, should have waited till Friday. After buy what is there to regret, lose lose la. If it drop again next 2-3 weeks another 8-9%, more regret la... But ask me in 10 years time, what's the returns, hopefully I can boast "don't know la, maybe 110% or just above 120%... for sure more than 100." In 10 years time, I would also forgot what's the NAV price I bought, and what's the 'rugi' I didn't buy at cheaper price. No luck... already buy, then price drop... buy somemore, price drop again. Always no luck, so keep on buying... I lost RM6+k in AmCommodities also no cry .How much you lost? But i thought you are a veteran, surely got at least few years IRR to show already ,no need wait 10 years . unless you are waiting for your not so nice IRR to "even" out something like that of yklooi's? No la, if no luck no point keep buying blindly, you only go deeper in red and lose more. i kena before. |
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Oct 4 2016, 09:09 PM) Below is my Main portfolio September performance based on 30/9/16 NAV. IRR boosted by precious metal lol
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aaaannnnnnnnddd Manulife India just rebounded. lol.
up 1.20 from the 2.34 sudden down trend. best top up I ever spent. (*tongue in cheek comment*) think I'll top up another time this afternoon This post has been edited by Avangelice: Oct 5 2016, 09:06 AM |
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Oct 5 2016, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE(voyage23 @ Oct 4 2016, 05:34 PM) New investor here. I have Libra Asnita Bond in my portfolio, I am just wondering why whenever I talk to my UT agents friends and when I mentioned about my bond fund, they would say "no need to top up for bond wan la". But it was always touch n go conversation so didn't get to ask them. Why is that so? For a start, do you have EPF?I do regular DCA into my 4 other equity funds and this libra asnita fund. If you do, then bond fund in your portfolio is probably not essential. EPF has similar returns and also has low volatility. Yes, I know Pinky will talk about EPF 'smoothing up' returns. In any case, substantial portion of EPF investment is in fixed income. QUOTE A total of 51% of the funds managed by the EPF are placed with fixed-income. http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...hackle-the-epf/ Secondly, how old are you and what are your investment objectives? If you are 28, and you invest for retirement, then take higher risk. The longer your investment horizon, the less relevant Std-Dev becomes. Bond funds have been giving returns which match those of equity funds lately. This is because investors dump stocks and pour money in bonds, thereby pushing up the bond prices. But don't expect bond returns to stay high forever. This post has been edited by river.sand: Oct 5 2016, 01:57 PM |
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Oct 5 2016, 09:14 AM) For a start, do you have EPF? but you will not see the profit and returns from EPF until you reach 55 years of age *cough*may be subject to change* if that is so I dont want to wait till I am 55 to enjoy the fruits of my labour or all those profits be spent on medical fees. If you do, then bond fund in your portfolio is probably not essential. EPF has similar returns and also has low volatility. Yes, I know Pinky will talk about EPF 'smoothing up' returns. In any case, substantial portion of EPF investment is in fixed income. http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...hackle-the-epf/ Secondly, how old are you and what are your investment objectives? If you are 28, and you invest for retirement, then take higher risk. The longer your investment horizon, the less relevant Std-Dev becomes. Bond funds have been giving returns which match those of equity funds lately. This is because investors dump stocks and pour money in bonds, thereby pushing up the bond prices. But don't expect bond yields to stay high forever. I would suggest switching and locking down profits from equities to those funds. I for one ignore that I have EPF when investing except to beat it's dividend. |
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Oct 4 2016, 07:18 PM) Wah, like this also called 'heated debate'? Sing song, tok cok also can say heated debate meh? Universal truth like buy cheap, buy at basement price bargains also need to have mathematical proof to show advantage over friend? So high class one the discussions... 3 days long weekend no go holiday or jam the malls? I top-up 2 weeks ago, so damn regret la... nav price drop 1% last Friday, should have waited till Friday. If it drop again next 2-3 weeks another 8-9%, more regret la... But ask me in 10 years time, what's the returns, hopefully I can boast "don't know la, maybe 110% or just above 120%... for sure more than 100." In 10 years time, I would also forgot what's the NAV price I bought, and what's the 'rugi' I didn't buy at cheaper price. No luck... already buy, then price drop... buy somemore, price drop again. Always no luck, so keep on buying... Wait, dont' say no luck... don't talk like newbie... be more 'veteran' - "I'm using DCA method". QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 4 2016, 09:16 PM) Better than your Public Mutual Thread leh.... there only you kaki kong, kaki song! These days he post more over here than on his own thread. That thread only to troubleshoot for some random forumers onlyCome here more often friend, here more tok kok, sing song wan! Xuzen |
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Oct 5 2016, 10:44 AM
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In the mood for charity today...
2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « FSM Idea Of The Week: Unit Split and High Fund Price Misconceptions [24 October 2014] QUOTE Investors should not judge if a unit trust is cheap or expensive based on its unit trust price or NAV. Instead, they should focus on the valuations (PE ratios) of the underlying equity markets that the unit trust invests in. Ref: Post #1 People that cannot get this...are Lembu. I repeat my "insult". This is a statement as simple as 1+1=2. If a pupil keep saying that 1+1=3, his/her teacher can't call that pupil lembu? This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Oct 5 2016, 10:54 AM |
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found this little "Disclaimer" from an article from FSM HK...
".....investors should not override the importance of the historical mean of P/E when it comes to valuing a company’s stock price. Despite the strong fundamentals and impressive growth potential, the stock price would be dragged down by the bearish sentiment in the market. Therefore, investors should not base their investment decision merely on the level of P/E. "........... Capture The Optimal Entry Of Investment Through A Proper Use Of P/E September 30, 2016. Author : Fundsupermart.com http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...se-of-P-E-12540 |
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Oct 5 2016, 09:14 AM) Bond funds have been giving returns which match those of equity funds lately. This is because investors dump stocks and pour money in bonds, thereby pushing up the bond prices. But don't expect bond yields to stay high forever. Do you mean low yield instead? isn't yield inverse of price? |
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 5 2016, 08:50 AM) aaaannnnnnnnddd Manulife India just rebounded. lol. Already up 3.6% from the drop... best top up at 29/9... up 1.20 from the 2.34 sudden down trend. best top up I ever spent. (*tongue in cheek comment*) think I'll top up another time this afternoon FSM recommend Greater China this month..seem like high can go higher... https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ober-2016--7514 |
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Oct 5 2016, 01:56 PM
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Can you time the market?
When the market has moved to high levels, predicting its future direction is tricky. Investors are often tempted to time the market - whether it will have further upside or will it consolidate. However, is this the best strategy? Author : IFAST Research Team Avoiding the “mines” or “potholes” obviously increased returns Avoiding the ten worst months increased the annualised return from 5.1% to 8.3%, while avoiding the ten worst days increased the annualised return to 6.6%. This is all well and good for an investor, but begs the question: how does an investor manage to avoid these “potholes” in their investment journey? https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...l?articleNo=431 "....it is practically impossible to time the market on a monthly basis with perfect accuracy over such a long period of time. Needless to say, timing the market with perfect precision on a daily basis over eighty-two years is perhaps an art best reserved for the gods". this is just an example of 1 index/study.....may not be representative of all....for some have balls/indicators Attached thumbnail(s) |
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