Kitchen HOOD

There are so many brands in the market, Electrolux, Elba, Rubine, Tuscani, Faber, Teka, Fotile, Whirlpool, Rinnai, Cornell, Bosch, Tellini, Lebenstill, Leben, Fujioh, Ikka, Pacific, Pacifica, Vees and many more. So which one of them is the best? Here is a discussion after reading and doing your own research, you decide which is the best.

Most end users will think that a good hood is a hood with strong suction power but that is not 100% true.
A good kitchen hood should have :
1) A good filter system with oil cup
2) Easy to clean & maintain
3) Reasonable strong suction power (1000m3/h and above)
4) Low noise level

1) A good filter system with oil cup


Here is a comparison between aluminum mesh filters vs pyramid shape filters



I will update more info everyday, do not have time to explain everything in one day.

I beg to differ, this is like saying all All aluminium mesh are not as good as Pyramid filter (in your comparison is Fotile). Have you tested out all other brand and model hoods that you don't carry?

I am using Fotile, and I have friend using Rinnai. They cook more frequent than me, and don't need to clean everyday. Some wiremesh are easy to clean, just burn and scrub the carbon away.

This is like saying membrane filter are not as good as some other type of filter. But 3M is one a good membrane filters.

Well most aluminum mesh are not as efficient as pyramid type. Without the oil cup, where will the oil go? The oil will actually clogged up the filter and you will need to clean it regularly. Bcoz mesh filters do not have oil cup, their filters are very fine and have many layers to trap oil, hence reducing the suction power as shown in the video. Many customers who used aluminum mesh feedback this to us, thatz we know about it and we don sell these type of hood. Btw, i didnt say only Fotile's one is good, any pyramid shape type filters have better air flow compared to mesh type. However, not all pyramid type are good in filtering the oil. Mesh is good to filter oil but bad for air low (reducing suction power)

I might be wrong but aluminum mesh filters are made of several mesh layers thatz y they are called aluminum mesh and they are the same for all brands (will reduce air flow), the only difference is the size and number of layers. If they are not the same design or with some new technology then it is not called aluminum mesh anymore


This post has been edited by zheilwane: Dec 28 2013, 11:46 PM

The fotile you mention, is using similar design of Baffle filters, but problem with this fotile the oil get build up after the filter faster than mesh, the problem with this fotile the opening are too big and during heavy cooking oil escape the filter and build up inside the internal. I am using one for two years, and clean the inside twice. Is not easy. If they make the filter few more later will be better, just like a good Baffle filters hood.

Mesh on the other hand don't build up oil internally that fast. And Do not required (almost everyday) wash as per early comment.

This post has been edited by weikee: Dec 28 2013, 11:07 PM

thatz y i mention this previously
"However, not all pyramid type are good in filtering the oil. Mesh is good to filter oil but bad for air low (reducing suction power)"

Well mesh filters are better in oil filtration but due to the huge reduction in suction power, your kitchen tend to be oily and that defeats the purpose of having a hood. As shown in my video, the first part i used a pyramid shape filter, you can see that the suction is quite good but in the 2nd part where i converted it to a mesh filter, the smoke is coming out of the hood, this shows how good the oil filtration of mesh filter (preventing smoke and oil entering the hood) but the smoke is actually going around your kitchen, so why we purchase a hood in the first place?

I just moved in to my new house more 1 month+ and using Fotile EH10BQ as well, my grandma cooks almost everyday, got lots of good food , we only clean the hood once and the inside just wipe with tissue (not really oily) Ofcoz if u use for 2 years, oil will build up inside, even mesh will have oil in the hood.

For better air flow better dont put any filters (hood will get very oily and will affect its performance in future)
For better oil filtration, add more layers of mesh filters (hood wont be able to suck in and extract the smoke and oil)

So, there must be a balance between air flow restriction and oil filtration, from past customers feedback and our experience, pyramid shape type is what most ppl will choose. We did discuss on this several years back but the thread was already closed, so i post back the info here.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Dec 29 2013, 12:22 AM

I also have friend who is crazy about cooking and heavily using the Rinnai for many years, I ask him how often he clean, only once a week, and never clean the internal before. Not all Mesh are build equal. Same goes to Membrane water filter like 3M vs others.

I strongly agree with you

The test you int he video is actually quite stupid and very misleading.

1) To put a mesh filter in a Hood NOT DESIGNED for a mesh filter is not a fair test.

2) You only put a single mes filter in the Centre of the Pyramid Hood, BUT most Mesh fliter style hoods have 2 or 3 or even 4 mesh filter hoods. IE 2 or 3 or 4 times the surface suction area. In which case there would not be the reduction in airflow that you claim.

3) Its a pedantic point, but what you claim is smoke is actually Steam NOT Smoke.


In my experience there are good and bad of both hood styles.

a) A mesh Filter will provide a much superior removal of oil from the air stream (very important if you have recirculating hood)

For Mesh Style, Yes you have to clean the mesh filters, but it is usually only required max 1 time per month and is easily achieved by soaking in hot water with dish washing detergent for 20-30 mins. The oil residue simply melts and is dispersed by the detergent.

I well designed Mesh filter will have equal air flow to a pyramid style hood.

b) Pyramid style hood will have inferior oil separation, so can be used as re-circulation model and if used in ducted venting mode you end up with a lot of oil residue in you ducts which is very hard or nearly impossible to clean.

Cheers

Agree that 3M is a great filter bought it in xam max during their promotions. They recommended me fagor hood but i wasnt convinced because my rinnai hood is not very effective, the grease filter is hard to clean and yellowish. Saw zheilwane's posting and went all the way to kepong to check our their fotile hood, this young man is very good and really know his stuff. He showed us the same video and other videos as well, then only we realize it is actually common sense that the fine filtration of mesh filter will restrict air flow, similar to water filter, the lower the micron filtration, the lower the water pressure. Have been using fotile for about one month and we too cook a lot, the oil filtration and suction are upto our expection. Have a look at the oil cup. Good job, zheilwane and keep it up.

This post has been edited by talibin: Dec 29 2013, 11:21 AM


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Ah..about time this topic pop out. Planning to get a cooker hood for my new condo. Thing is this will be my first time shopping for a cooker hood. Not sure where to buy or what brand to go for. Prefer the flat types without the hose since i will be cooking outdoor nearby a window. Perhaps i can use the flat hood coupled with an exhaust fan? Is jusco/aeon big a good place to get stuffs like this?

Aeon selection are limited.

JF Home @ USJ 9 (This one carry Rinnai, Fotile, and others brand too)
HW Builder @ Kepong (Check with zheilwane)
Xam Max Up Town, not sure what brand they carry
SS2 Legend, so far the cheapest Fotile I seen (in 2011), I din't buy from them only asking price when I was buying my AC.

This post has been edited by weikee: Dec 29 2013, 10:21 AM

I m usually around puchong area and true from pj to puchong ss2 legend price is very attractive. A little reluctant to travel all the way to kepong - builders hardware but none of the salesperson could convince me and with all the good reviews on zheilwane i ended up going over. Well their price is comparable with ss2 legend but from the service the their exclusive gas hob, i purchase it from zheilwane

This post has been edited by talibin: Dec 29 2013, 01:08 PM


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Adding my 2 cents...

Mesh and baffle filters are both good, for different people.
Mesh is generally more efficient, but requires cleaning often and some might find difficult to clean. Hoods with mesh filter is usually much thinner, could be an important feature some people look for.
Baffle is less efficient, but is easier to clean and also needs less cleaning. However, I personally dislike having the oil cup in the centre. Look for hoods with the cup situated close to the wall instead ( Electrolux and Fotile has this if I'm not mistaken )

So if you are the lazy type, use baffle
It's true for recirculating hoods, only mesh filter works well because it's simply more effective at retaining oil.

you offered the most clear and concise explanation

to say "mesh filters restrict much more air and that's why you need to buy baffle type filter" is just plain incorrect.

this unbiased video is much better in showing what you should be considering in buying a cooker hood - but it doesn't have one criteria that I always look out for - aesthetics ....hahaha
almost all hoods work so well these days, it doesnt really matter which you choose so might as well get one that also look good and least noisy



This post has been edited by idoblu: Dec 29 2013, 02:35 PM

You should also visit JF Home, many have been pleased with their service too.

Well as shown we cook a lot and we used to have rinnai hood with mesh filter. Previously bought it bcoz rinnai is a famous brand and also made in japan, the flat mesh also looks nice and i do agree hood with oil cups are ugly. For someone who actually used both type i would say mesh is a big no no. Not sure how many of you here actually used both types before? Belum cuba, belum tau . . Btw wei kee u working for jf? C u always promote for them

This post has been edited by talibin: Dec 29 2013, 03:47 PM

for any product that required filtering ... air purifier / vacuum / hood ... suction is the No1 factor ... no point with the best filter if it cannot get the intended air / gases to reach the filter.

i have the cup hood at home, auto wash feature ... no trouble, just let it wash itself after 2/3 use. washing liquid is cheap anyway.

Haha... Yeah I am the owner of the shop, please buy from them so I get more business

Sometime i a bit traitor, i buy from my own shop, buy from Xam Max, buy from HW Builders, and others shop too...

Just got an Rh-993CT from jf home in puchong together with a stove.good service, recommended to those interested in rinnai products.

However, one of the cabinet makers say they cant hide the hob in a cabinet due to lack of ventilation might damage the hob. Seems logical but is it true?

You got the recycling or with ducting?

I got the one without ducting. Any idea if it can be concealed in a cabinet?

The cabinet need to have ventilation, if not howbtge sucked air flow out?

I was thinking of a hole on top of the cabinet with the shape of the chimney.any alternatives i can consider?

Sound workable, or put cabinet door with small small holes.

Hi All,

I have use Fotile more than 2 year+.
Until now it still look like new...no much oils and no much cleaning required. Maybe suction is strong.
I never use other brand before this is my 1st home and 1st hood/hod...i m happy with it and no regret.

I have fren use other brand and always complaint a lots oils on floor too and every times need to clean it after cook. Then i suggest him to try Fotile on his new condo and so far he is happy with the Fotile too.

BTW, i choose Fotile because of the modern design as well...a bit different from traditional design...hihi

Overall : Happy user.





This post has been edited by wrb7878: Jan 2 2014, 11:13 AM

Usually weak suction power is due to improper installation, could you take out the chimney and check this (as per photo)




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You need to take out the "Grill".

Mine had lots of oil build up inside and need to clean after few months. Is hassle, and if not it will cause sticky build up. Some worse case will stick the flipper.

This post has been edited by weikee: Jan 5 2014, 12:01 PM

how's Rubine hood & hob or Elba? i checked with mudah for less than 1500 you can get Rubine hood & hob and Elba is much cheaper? how's Fotile quality & price here?

Got myself a rinnai Rh-993CT a few weeks back and will be collecting it soon. My question is, i remembered the shop asking me if i wanted filter or ducting. I said filter. If i would lime to change with ducting, will there be additional costs?

Ours is not the sloping rectifier model, it is the cheaper version which is the FIT-150V (vented) model. The suction is good and there is no residue in the kitchen but the grease build up on the cooker hood filter itself makes it very difficult to clean especially if you're doing heavy cooking. As our kitchen is quite narrow, removing the baffle panel without spilling the oil build up is quite a challenge. And then comes the filter which cannot be washed off easily but then again due to the difficulty in washing the filter and drying it, we usually put off cleaning the cooker hood until the suction really becomes bad and this causes massive build up.

So when I was shopping for a new cooker hood, I wanted something that was easy to clean with a good suction.

This post has been edited by dayalan86: Jan 10 2014, 10:02 AM

I rmb they should b the same price. Shouldnt u ask the shop? If they did explain to you about the cons of using charcoal filter, i believe you wont get filter type in the first place.

From someone who actually used different brands like dayalan86 n me, the mesh filter hood is really difficult to clean n will cause the hood to be noisy if you don clean it. There was once i got fed up, i jus remove the filter.

Spoke to the shop and they quoted me additional rm260 to install and make the hole in the wall. Wasnt aware of the difference when i made the purchase that day..

I will put the cost 260 is to open up the hole. Not the price different of the hob.

I'm Looking to install a hood but my budget is tight. Any recommendations on hoods that are at around 1k?

YOu can get Rubine Boxline, still having some old stock price now

is this the one?
http://www.rubine.com.my/products-page/chi...h-boxline-90ss/

Went to a shop nearby my house asking for eh10bq + gcg 90301 but the salesperson says this hob is an old model and has been discontinued for many years. So, how different is the gcg 90301 compared to gfg 86302?

Just got the following combination from JF Home USJ:

- Hood - Fotile EH10BQ
- Hob - Rinnai RB-3Si-C-S
- Oven - Rinnai RBO-7MSO

As I am not separating my wet and dry kitchen, I was looking for a good hood with strong suction that is not overly expensive. Fujioh hoods seem to get very good reviews, but it is out of my budget and frankly, looks quite ugly. After some contemplation, I decided to go with the popular choice here, hopefully it is a wise decision!

As for hob, I was quite impressed by the Rinnai inner flame series, but the higher end (read: Made in Japan) Schott Ceran glass ones are simply too expensive! When I was about to settle for a Fotile hob, I found out about this inner flame model from Rinnai which has a stainless steel top and cast iron support. Best of all the price is reasonable (me thinks). Decision made!

I am not really particular with ovens. To me, a basic European oven with bake/roast/grill functionality is good enough for our occasional use. The salesperson at JF initially introduced me a basic Fagor oven (6H-175-BX) which is made in Spain. However, after I've paid for it and came home, I did some research and found that Fagor Spain has actually declared bankruptcy protection end of last year! Despite reassurance from the salesperson, I was still quite worried with the after sales support and warranty issues. Fortunately, Mr. Ea from JF allows me to change to a different brand and model without paying extra! The new Rinnai oven is made in Italy, and supposedly has more features than the original Fagor model I've chosen, so I was very pleased with the change. Thumbs up to Mr. Ea for providing top notch service (and a great price)!

Now I just need to wait patiently for my renovation to complete, and then only I can give an honest user review

I am tempted to get the 2014 Fotile hob & hood GAG76202 + JQG9009. Any feedback & comment on this model?

Also, between CHS9006W & EH10BQ. Which is better & safer bet? CHS9006W seems to be newer model than EH10BQ.

hi guys.. is it true that hood's ventilation cannot be more than 10ft?

The longer it goes the performance will drop. When the manufacture do the specification, they test on certain length. Just list straw long mean harder to suck.

i see.. do you know roughly how much the suction power is needed for the length lesser than 15ft ? for those below 10ft, i guess would be at 1000AF right ?

another question, will there be any oil clog in between the hose if it is too long? any other issue would encounter if using it in long run?

Good example to make people easy to understand the theory.
If install the flexible hose more curve will influence the performance as well.

This post has been edited by XAM MAX: Jan 27 2014, 12:14 PM

thanks for the info =)

Anyone using lebenstill ?
Seems everybody like Fotile here
Just wondering why.

Is Rubine brand good?
Planning to get Boxline and hob from Builders Hardware...
Need some comment ~
Btw am not a heavy user, rarely cook only once a week maybe

Yup Boxline is good enough for medium cooking, not too oily

Hi all... i`m planning to buy Cornell Hood " CMH-PC96G " , anyone here using this model or other model ? Need some advise . thanks

http://www.cornellappliances.com/category/...chimney-hoodmy/

alamak! what is the next best alternative?

EH18Q

Noticed in my area most houses use fans like those pictured...

hai everyone,does anyone here been using hood & hob brand IKA,the shop claim that it uses german tech.the price that the shop qout me is also good to.

Anyone heard the brand robam b4?

Is the electrolux gas hob good?

With past experiences of Electrolux products in my family; vacuum, hob, fridge ... they have been very reliable.

Hi all sifu ... I plan to buy Fotile hood EH10BQ , I got 1 question .. my contractor told me that the original ducting hole not good and some say that Fotile ducting hole are very good no need change ... which one is true ? should i change or using back the original... Pls help thanks ....

Standard ducting is 6" diamaeter but FOtile is 7". If u r planning to get EH10BQ den u must use Fotile hose

So it means no need hear what my contractor say , just use original hose ...MMmmm by the way can you share the price for install Hood + make 1 7" hole ... Thanks

Hiii,

I need to install the cooking hood & hod for my 1 room apartment where the kitchen has no window with limited space. As it is for renting, I am not intend to put in too expensive items.

May I have the expert's advise? : )

I need HELP from all sifu here plssss!!

refer my pic ... my oven just allocate at the bottom of the hod gas pipe.
The gas man told me i cant allocate this way as the oven heat will melt the gas pipe ... very dangerous.
Is what he said true??
however i ady did all the kitchen cabinet

Any solution for me??
do u kno any radiating material which i can use it as divider to avoid the pipe directly sense the heat from oven??
Do have any extra durable gas pipe can stand for high heat???



This post has been edited by Doraemon11: Mar 10 2014, 11:12 AM

drill a hole on the dividing board and pass the hose over the hole. settle.

Can't recall how the build in over design, if the heat are ventilated on the rear, the heat can harden the gas hose.

I saw you have a plug point where your gas tank locate, isn't it dangerous? imagine gas leak and your plug point spark..

sigh....

i believe there are ppl installation as the same way oso... some may just exactly the bottom of the hob like below.
No worry on heating up the gas hose??

Depends some countries, home owners have to use rigid copper piping, so the risk of melting is not there.

I got customer install that way as well, so far no problem. Try turning on the oven then lift up the hob and feel the temperature inside of the cabinet. I bliv it wont b too hot as the hot air is blown infront of the oven not rear, if it is too hot wont the wire of the oven melt as well? If really hot, may b use insulation like air con to protect it

Is the plug for the oven? it looks like a 13amp plug while most ovens require 15amp

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Mar 10 2014, 05:52 PM

Got customer install that way doesn't mean is safe.

Thanks so much zheilwane
about the plug i will look into it later... thank for reminder
My bro teach me use aluminum foil to cover up the open area there to isolate it.. does this work?

agree oso...

well i didnt say it is safe bt jus to mention some1 did it before and still no issue after several years. Thatz y i ask u to use ur oven and feel the heat inside of the cabinet, from what i know it should b very hot or else the wire of your oven will melt as mentioned.

Aluminium is an excellent conductor of heat not a retardant

Sauce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium
Aluminium is a good thermal and electrical conductor, having 59% the conductivity of copper, both thermal and electrical, while having only 30% of copper's density.

This post has been edited by aaronpang: Mar 11 2014, 12:52 AM

yes yes yes..
this exactly what i tell my hubby too
said the hose might melt... if so the wire not melt to danger meh?? some more most ppl allocate the plug just behind the oven... apa cakap?

Some over cooling vent are front, I hope all build in oven cooling vent are front. But after long hours of usage the entire oven will be hot, and that will transfer the heat. I can't remember where I read, remember see a photo of a white cabinet wall turn brown because behind the cabinet wall is the build in oven.

The safety of the plug build inside the Gas tank storage are also major Risk.

Hi Doraemon11,

Don't Worry !

Modern-day ovens are manufactured with insulation ,These ovens typically require denser layers or even multiple layers of oven insulation to prevent the heat from radiating out and away from the oven. The ovens also depend on the insulation to retain the interior heat evenly as well as to make the ovens more cost effective when in use and prevent transfer of heat from the oven to kitchen furniture .

see the item no# 231 & 232 is Insulation Tub.


This post has been edited by ubzteam: Mar 11 2014, 08:08 PM

Can Fotile be comparable to Rubine? I was at Perfect Living Sabah and the Fotile salesman told me to get a Rubine island hood because they didn't stock one and that Rubine and Fotile are the same company. I don't really like the look of Rubine and I'm not familiar with the brand.

Revisited Builders hardware again. Met up with zane and got awesome deals.

Thanks bro. Just as how my parents was happy with their purchase.. so are we..

awesome service. Dad loved chatting with ure dad. LOL.

Any of u guys can advise on the rubine prado2B? Choosing because it size small enough for my kitchen existing hole...

Thanks.

Hi Sifus, so which brand is the best for hood ? eg. will be cooking alot of sambal

This post has been edited by akira982443: Mar 24 2014, 11:14 AM

Can ask sifu zheilwane?

I am using whirlpool, lucky for me it came with those automatic gas cut off mechanism when there is no flame, first day moving in, I left home forgetting to turn off the the stove after boiling water. The flame isnt that great though.

Flame is strong enough, value for money. Here is a comparison i recorded. Top left burner is Rubine prado 2b



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Mar 24 2014, 09:38 PM

Zheilwane, any reviews on the Fotile JQG9009? I keep seeing videos of the steam being sucked into the hood but wondering about frying oils and greasiness.

I watch ur video before. Thanks. .

Hi all sifus , wanan ask bout recirculating ( ductless) vs ducted hood.

I stay in a condo so i have no way to drill a hole for the duct , and the window is quite far away ( at least 10' to the window, even more if i place the hob further). If i choose ducted hood , i will have to build plaster ceiling or cabinet to hide the ducts.

So , I am considering to use recirculating hood . Certainly i know that the functionality of it is lower since air is released back to the room , but how bad could this be? would a recirculating hood appears to be close to useless?

This post has been edited by jasmine0085: Mar 26 2014, 05:44 PM

Ofcoz having one is better than not having anything. Recirculating hoods help to remove airborne grease and reduce odor. Ofocz, a ducting one is much better as it could reduce more odor, suck out heat, lesser maintenance and etc.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Mar 26 2014, 08:26 PM

So in a situation where ducting would need to run more than 10ft, which is better: recirculating or ducted?

Hi zheilwane what is the best price & model of hood and hob value for money under rm2k / slightly over rm2k recommended? is it will better or same getting it from the fair or now? Pls pm. Thanks

This post has been edited by quintesson: Mar 27 2014, 12:07 PM

Ya ya , same question too

Still duct, i got customer using Fotile EH10BQ with 15ft and he say it performing well.

If more than 2K definitely can get Fotile and now it is a good time to drop by perfect living for additional free stuff like extended warranty, lucky draw and etc as posted previously. If looking for less than 2k i would recommend rubine rosemary as it has suction power of 1,350m3/h

Guys usually what is the standard practice for making the hole for the duct hood?

I know that its gotta be center of our hob.

My tabletop height till ceilling is 6ft, also the hole gotta be 7inches right?

Hi, if we would like to use ductless hood, what brand and model recommended? Thankss

any sifu can introduce a masonry contractor? I need to open a hole on my wall for exhaust ducting of my Rubine hood which I left out during renovation thinking that just recirculating is sufficient.

kindly advice. Thank you.

For me I think this prob is still ok. I would worry more on the height of the built-in oven. Like this layout, yes it saves space, but if u are to use the oven often, it will be tiring since u will need to squard down every time.

Hey guys my setup of things for the hood and hob is something like this



Is it ok? any error?
Actually i worried that the cover of the ducting hood will clash the socket no. 1, thus making the hood not going to be center of the hob.. and if the mosaic has been fixed, my choice of hood would be limited to compensate that socket.

I ask the wiring guy earlier to just put wire for the hood and the power switch for it somewhere close to normal power socket. His reason cannot do like that is because later maintenance hard, quite weird i saw other forumers what they did is just ready the wire for hood and the power switch for the hood at different location far from the hood itself..

What i need to fix since today they going to mosaic it.. is it the position of the no 1 switch?

This post has been edited by soR: Mar 29 2014, 07:35 AM

I put mine in the center / slightly offset to the center of the hob.

The hood?