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post May 11 2006, 11:01 PM, updated 18y ago

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Savvy D4F engine repair manual
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Spare parts Price

http://www.motortrader.com.my/asp/forum/to...?TOPIC_ID=26019

SAVVY fuel consumption
http://www.motortrader.com.my/asp/forum/to...?TOPIC_ID=15337

Savvy NGV

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Thailand
http://www.protonclub.net/forum/index.php?showforum=10

Taiwan
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Just to share... when the Article from DRIVEN Magazine Issue 05 Page 73 praised Savvy about its R&H and being posted on AW forum by forummer, Savvy being bashed upside down by bashers (as usual lah) regarding the integrity of the Author. The Author from the DRIVEN magazine later counter post to clear the air (copy & paste from AW)  

During the flag off for the Speedball which was at around 10am we were
presented with some administration problems from our office. 3 guys had
to stay behind. That was I, the photographer and Jeff. We all had our
allocated seats in a nice Perdana and a Mercedes E280. By around 1 pm our
admin problems were not sorted out yet and we were further delayed cos it
was lunch time. So the other participants from the other two cars had to
leave. By this time most of the participants were already having their
lunch in the Gopeng/Kampar area.

By around 3pm I had to let Jeff go since he was also our event co-
ordinator. But there were no cars left. And the paper work on his 4x4 was
not sorted out let alone fit to run in this event. Without thinking we
had to borrow 2 cars from Proton Berhad since they were the Emergency and
Technical support. We had asked for a Perdana V6, the thought of driving
a Savvy for 2400+km, man that's crazy! So can you imagine our reactions
when they presented us with a Savvy? Our disappointment was obvious and I
had objected to the idea of driving 3 buff guys in a little car for
2400km. So for consolation they gave us 2 Savvys.

Not wasting anymore time Jeff proceeded leaving me and the photographer.

Were we bought up? No. As a new magazine we do not get much priviledge
from manufacturers. And if we were bought up they would have given in to
our request which was a V6 that we wanted.

Why would anyone stay back till 7.30pm to drive to Bukit Kayu Hitam?
Again our admin problems were not sorted untill around 7pm. It is 456km
from KL to Bukit Kayu Hitam speed around 110-120km/h, add 2 stops for
petrol and pee 15 mins each that will take us roughly 5 1/2 hours to
reach. So latest we had to leave by 6pm. The border closes at 12am and
only reopens at 6am. If we had miss that the rest of the participants
would be 10 hours ahead of us. Which we would have missed the event and
not get our story which we had been working on for months. But we could
only leave at 7.30pm. If I remembered correctly by the time we passed
NKVE Damansara it was 7.40pm.

Pedal-to-the-metal. Yes I admit to speeding. Don't we all once in a
while. So be it and send me the summons, I will take full responsibility.

Prior to all that I think the abundance of adrenaline came from the Big
Mac, large fries large coke and a Power Root while we were sorting out
our paper work. Hey I'm not blaming our diet for speeding but if you had
taken that amount of fat and sugar it will take give you the same buzz
too.

So while we were trying to burn all that we were V-maxing at around 140-
150km/h. It was on a normal Thursday so traffic was low, so occasionally
we had an open highway to ourselves. We pushed our speed up after Rawang.
And we were flat out in the poor little car. It was a MT. I thought we
were going to blow the gear box the way we were shifting. But the car
kept going.

We had our driving lights on so slower traffic were curtious to us and
moved left almost immediately. When approaching traffic we did slow to
120km/h and when clear we let rip to 170km/h. There were cars who
would 'run' with us for no apparent reason but we just stayed at 170 for
a long period of time. And either they could not be bothered to keep up
with us of got tired of the speed they dropped off. All this speed we had
to have petol stops. We had 2 stops. One after the second toll after Ipoh
and the other just before Alor Star. Each stop took about 5 minutes not
more. We did hold off the pee, well we took turns. One would pump and
other pee. We wasted no time. And we were using Smart Tag so it helped a
lot.

When we did our second petrol stop before Alor Star it was around,
hmm...11pm (don't hold it against me guys I will check our receipts,
still have it). I thought we weren't going to make it and thought it
would have been a wasted trip. But we pushed on shifting gear after gear
driving the car like we just had just stolen it until we reached the
border. By the time we had purchased our Third party insurance for the
car, check through customs, we made it through the border at EXACTLY
12AM. While taking a breather at the Thai border, Peter( photographer),
who had kept real quiet in the car all the way, lit a cigarette and
starts swearing at me in Cantonese just like what POWERHAUS had said on
page 1, t** n** m* c****...next time YOU DRIVE LIKE THAT.... I can't
remember much after that.

We immediately called the other guys who were already in Hadyai and told
them, " hey we made it!" Only to get the respond, "...why so late?! We
already had dinner!".

So the rest of the way from the border into Hadyai we did kept it within
speed limit, rest assure.

Why the long story? Upon our return I had related my speeding experiences
with Jeff and he had related me his comfort experience about the Savvy.
It was that we, non Proton car owners (myself a Kembara and Jeff a Mit
4x4), had under estimated this car completely. We initially gawked at the
car when Proton gave us the keys but came back ranting and raving about
it.

We were hugely impressed with its ride and handling, which is obviously
the work of the Malaysian owned Lotus Engineering division, that had
given it its stability in high speeds and on windy roads. Especially the
windy pass after Ipoh toll...Boy that car can handle and the twisty
highway 4 from Phattalung into Krabi. Supportive seats and all. Hard but
supportive. All in all we came back home to KL thinking about getting
this car for our wives but secretly for ourselves. Why? because we had
liked the sporty-ness to it. Above it all it was in our budget.

A week after the event we were still talking about the car so we decided
to write an article on it. So the Savvy article came out in DRIVEN
unplanned and unintentionally. So sorry for those those offended by our
passionate auto journalism style but I would suggest that you guys stick
with foreign mags and wait for one day that you'll have the opportunity
to go out and purchase a 250K VW Gti or a super hot hatch from Vauxhall.
But for now the Savvy has our praises not because Proton lent it to us
but based on the fact that this little car did not let us down in this
event. That's why in the title we said The Proton Savvy- The little
engine that can.

Thank you DRIVEN101 from DRIVEN Magazine 


Latest extract from AW responded by DRIVE101 from DRIVEN Magazine (another writer)

I'm Jeff the other writer on the article. Based on what we have read in
AW this forum is not a healthy one with the amount of P1 bashers. I too
have under estimated the car when the SAvvy was launched until we drove
one. The article speaks for itself. My job takes me into the jungle where
I have to organize 4x4 expeditions. My everyday car is my trusted
Mitsubishi Pajero. The Savvy is a serious contender for my wifes car.
What's stopping us from buying? Nothing.

But as for the forum we can't say much for these bashers. We don't know
who they are. The editor and I had to come in to see what the stink is
all about and to stand up for what we have written. And we stand by it.

We think the Savvy for this price is a good car.

The answer is no- we weren't paid by Proton.

Jeff Z


Driven March issue has Savvy on it. thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by hypermount: Jun 19 2008, 11:41 PM
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post May 11 2006, 11:06 PM

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Very the long story....
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post May 11 2006, 11:08 PM

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damn...savvy easily can reach top speed?
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post May 11 2006, 11:17 PM

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Autoworld forums was way worse than what i ever seen. The bashing of Proton, the pro savvy boys kept on arguing like nobody business and there alot, i mean alot of arguements which ended in political. U can see a great num of very sad Malaysians around the autoworld forums. sweat.gif

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The problem with every proton ever made (after the saga of course) was quality control. If the power window worked and the dashboard didn't rattle after 3 months, it wouldn't get so much criticism...
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post May 11 2006, 11:43 PM

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Autoworld is IMO in a state or anarchy, some bashers even get personal as until to involve families and even if they get banned,they just sign on a different account and continue.
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post May 12 2006, 12:24 AM

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Well I think savvy is ok compared to other protons. Just come in to show u my siggy biggrin.gif
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post May 12 2006, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ May 12 2006, 12:08 AM)
damn...savvy easily can reach top speed?
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Long road.... long road.....
if long road... all cars also can right ?
hmmm....
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i really hope his wife went and bought one, then he will know..

savvy, tiara replacement konon. national car that has the worst 2nd hand value. hopefully this won't happen to his beloved little savvy. anyway, good luck Jeff icon_idea.gif
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I think we should ask a savvy owner after 3 yrs...if there's any problem with it...i personally think the handling is better than Myvi...
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i drive around in wira for years and my power windows are way better than my dad's pajero. i must be lucky then huh? savvy is in my list if i wanna get a compact car. constant 170 all the way...try that with whatever car u got..then come back to brag here:P
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QUOTE(chastise @ May 12 2006, 12:40 AM)
I think we should ask a savvy owner after 3 yrs...if there's any problem with it...i personally think the handling is better than Myvi...
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That my point, i not soo sure how the savvy fares 2-5 years later. Engine and parts frm France made has notorious relaibility issues over Europe, so i have a abd feeling on how it gonna performs here.
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drive the engine all the way for 170km/h...maybe the engine "kong" after few days they return it to proton just they dunno?

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QUOTE(rcracer @ May 11 2006, 11:43 PM)
Autoworld is IMO in a state or anarchy, some bashers even get personal as until to involve families and even if they get banned,they just sign on a different account and continue.
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they even ask those bashers and supporters to come out for TT and yumchar...

talk real business in mamak also lar....
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boring.....jz cancel the import car tax and let the sales judge for itself, lamers
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QUOTE(splitfire @ May 12 2006, 04:34 AM)
boring.....jz cancel the import car tax and let the sales judge for itself, lamers
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this statement is so true and has been repeated again and again...
sadly proton can't stand up without protection....

the moment the tax is removed, proton will sink within a month...

VIOS for RM 50k anyone ?
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petrol for more than rm 1.92 anyone?
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QUOTE(hieroplant @ May 12 2006, 09:14 AM)
petrol for more than rm 1.92 anyone?
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I dont mind tho....

Not sure about others...
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do some math and you will notice we're better off even if we pay RM3.00 per litre.
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QUOTE(alasta00 @ May 12 2006, 02:40 AM)
drive the engine all the way for 170km/h...maybe the engine "kong" after few days they return it to proton just they dunno?
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you think savvy use a hafei lobo engine ka ? come on lar .... d4f ..... but if you dont like buy a Sutera .... see for your self icon_idea.gif .... i recalled my friends told me savvy was tested a 150 kmh as everyday use ... required by renault due to malaysians aggresive driving. believe me or not ???
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i have a savy...i had driven almost all proton cars before and personally i think savy is still the best! it pick up slow but i feel steady and safe when moving fast at corners etc!
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QUOTE(antikru @ May 12 2006, 10:49 AM)
you think savvy use a hafei lobo engine ka ? come on lar .... d4f ..... but if you dont like buy a Sutera .... see for your self  icon_idea.gif .... i recalled my friends told me savvy was tested a 150 kmh as everyday use ... required by renault due to malaysians aggresive driving. believe me or not ???
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I dun blif PROTON only. To me although savvy sounds better than hafei lobo, but still not a good choice at that price.. If it's priced at RM20k then i buy lar. Wira RM15k, saga RM8K, their quality make them worth that price only, and that should be the price IF (no chance one unless proton shut down) import duty (including excise duty) is taken away.
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hmmmm... actually how much is the savvy now? btw how is that handling of that car?
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QUOTE(DreMAx @ May 12 2006, 11:15 AM)
hmmmm... actually how much is the savvy now? btw how is that handling of that car?
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My father tested it, the ride was neither firm or too soft.
The handling was pretty decent, allowing a decent amount of agression.
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guess it's due to the Lotus tuned? the tires look pretty small for it isnt it? have you seen the R3?
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The tyres 'look' thin. They're 195s aren't they?
I haven't seen the R3 in real life.

EDIT: My mistake, they're 175s. That's pretty decent for 15 inch rims.

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ok.. much better than the Myvi.... the tyres are so skinny....i wonder what will happen if the car turns to fast drool.gif drool.gif

i've seen it twice on the road already and also a promo of eneos mod cars in 1U a month ago.

*sorry i dont know how to spell that company's name*
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QUOTE(DreMAx @ May 12 2006, 11:35 AM)
ok.. much better than the Myvi.... the tyres are so skinny....i wonder what will happen if the car turns to fast drool.gif drool.gif

i've seen it twice on the road already and also a promo of eneos mod cars in 1U a month ago.

*sorry i dont know how to spell that company's name*
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Lower the ground clearence a bit and reduce some weight, you'll have no probs! rclxm9.gif
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I guess many of you are missing the point. The main grudge against that review is the dangerous way they carried out the review. So farking what if savvy can hit 170km/h? My waja and Gti can do that easily too. So can any car, given the right conditions. And the highway is not your place to do such tests.

RM150 is all you need to take it down to the track, and in real life nobody carries the car to that kind of speed all the time. Imaging the wear and tear involved! Real cars need good torque, one that the savvy is lacking. Also, the quality issues have not been addressed.

No matter what they say, its not really an honest review. More like an ignorant review.
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QUOTE(DreMAx @ May 12 2006, 11:35 AM)
ok.. much better than the Myvi.... the tyres are so skinny....i wonder what will happen if the car turns to fast drool.gif drool.gif

i've seen it twice on the road already and also a promo of eneos mod cars in 1U a month ago.

*sorry i dont know how to spell that company's name*
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Again you're missing the point. Myvi is made for the people, the people who drive it from point A to B and rely on the warrenties for repairs. They need a reliable car that is comfortable and fuel economic, especially the latter which is the whole reason for compact car's existence. The savvy is meant to be a zippy and fun car, and thus to say the savvy is much better than Myvi just because its good in handling is like saying a wrestler can be a president of a country just because he got big muscles and is stronger than the next candidate.

In terms of handling, savvy pwns myvi. But then, will that sell cars? Alfa romeo learnt that the hard way. In the real world, quality, reliability, comfort come first. Proton needs sales figures, not fun cars that dont meet the market's demands.
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ May 12 2006, 11:47 AM)
Lower the ground clearence a bit and reduce some weight, you'll have no probs!  rclxm9.gif
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haha! yea potong spring laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(kimmie @ May 12 2006, 10:58 AM)
i have a savy...i had driven almost all proton cars before and personally i think savy is still the best! it pick up slow but i feel steady and safe when moving fast at corners etc!
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Ever driven a GTi or a Perdana?
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QUOTE(DreMAx @ May 12 2006, 11:57 AM)
haha! yea potong spring laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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And see the car bounce like a ship in treacherous seas. cool.gif
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QUOTE(soggie @ May 12 2006, 11:57 AM)
Ever driven a GTi or a Perdana?
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The Perdana have a very generous accelaration. thumbup.gif
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haha.... but kinda funny le if one does lowers the height of the car.... it's so big and tall and fat...... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(soggie @ May 12 2006, 11:57 AM)
Ever driven a GTi or a Perdana?
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mmm...not fair to compare to much pricier car!,, icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(soggie @ May 12 2006, 11:56 AM)
Again you're missing the point. Myvi is made for the people, the people who drive it from point A to B and rely on the warrenties for repairs. They need a reliable car that is comfortable and fuel economic, especially the latter which is the whole reason for compact car's existence. The savvy is meant to be a zippy and fun car, and thus to say the savvy is much better than Myvi just because its good in handling is like saying a wrestler can be a president of a country just because he got big muscles and is stronger than the next candidate.

In terms of handling, savvy pwns myvi. But then, will that sell cars? Alfa romeo learnt that the hard way. In the real world, quality, reliability, comfort come first. Proton needs sales figures, not fun cars that dont meet the market's demands.
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again ... p1 wont be able to satisfy everyone .... at least we have a choice .... need space ... buy myvi .... need fun ... buys savvy .... why do you need 2 of the same ??? more difficult choice .... but dont expext to have saga at 8k .... yes you can la if buy 2 half of kerete potong then sambung .....
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QUOTE(antikru @ May 12 2006, 02:09 PM)
again ... p1 wont be able to satisfy everyone .... at least we have a choice .... need space ... buy myvi ....  need fun ... buys savvy .... why do you need 2 of the same ??? more difficult choice .... but dont expext to have saga at 8k .... yes you can la if buy 2 half of kerete potong then sambung .....
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need space ? buy city
need fun ? buy civic

that will be better right ?
way less QC problem to worry about...
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QUOTE(pearldiver @ May 12 2006, 01:08 PM)
mmm...not fair to compare to much pricier car!,, icon_rolleyes.gif
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please re-read the above posts.

kimmie was saying that he/she tested all Proton cars and thinks Savvy is thebest.

so soggies asked whether he/she tested GTi / Perdana.

IMO Satria GTi and Perdana V6 would be Proton's best offering so far.
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yes ........ agreeeeeeeee with kcng

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QUOTE(jing_kohkoh @ May 12 2006, 10:58 AM)
I dun blif PROTON only. To me although savvy sounds better than hafei lobo, but still not a good choice at that price.. If it's priced at RM20k then i buy lar. Wira RM15k, saga RM8K, their quality make them worth that price only, and that should be the price IF (no chance one unless proton shut down) import duty (including excise duty) is taken away.
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Another Proton Basher Thread. shakehead.gif

Dont you all get bored. yawn.gif
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QUOTE(antikru @ May 12 2006, 01:09 PM)
again ... p1 wont be able to satisfy everyone .... at least we have a choice .... need space ... buy myvi ....  need fun ... buys savvy .... why do you need 2 of the same ??? more difficult choice .... but dont expext to have saga at 8k .... yes you can la if buy 2 half of kerete potong then sambung .....
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Exactly my point. Both are made to satisfy different markets. Just so happens that the "comfort" market seems to be the majority, and the MONEY goes to P2. P1 gets to kick its CEO and swallow its words. That's the real world - unless you're ferrari (who was bought over by Fiat), you just have to make cars that sell, not cars that fun to drive but doesn't serve the majority.

Bad planning on this one, Proton.
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QUOTE(tifosi @ May 12 2006, 01:25 PM)
Another Proton Basher Thread. shakehead.gif

Dont you all get bored.  yawn.gif
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Nope. Its only right to bash proton, and thank god the new CEO is finally responding to common complaints. Without criticism nobody will grow. Without the bashes nobody would know the various defects of Gen2 underneath that beautiful shell, nor anybody would know the hoo-haa TUV quality check is nothing more than just a stupid parody of what real quality is.
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QUOTE(-=Axis=- @ May 12 2006, 12:39 AM)
i really hope his wife went and bought one, then he will know..

savvy, tiara replacement konon. national car that has the worst 2nd hand value. hopefully this won't happen to his beloved little savvy. anyway, good luck Jeff  icon_idea.gif
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tiara had a bad 2nd hand value. savvy not even in 2nd hand sales yet.
can brief a bit how would it be like that too?

QUOTE(chastise @ May 12 2006, 12:40 AM)
I think we should ask a savvy owner after 3 yrs...if there's any problem with it...i personally think the handling is better than Myvi...
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btw soggie, the TUV audit on savvy is still under evaluation, till this day. I dont know whether savvy has passed all the test. Already you can see protong stamp all TUV certified logo to Savvy batches. Another con job by Proton?


anyone to prove me wrong?
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QUOTE(usus @ May 12 2006, 02:08 PM)
tiara had a bad 2nd hand value. savvy not even in 2nd hand sales yet.
can brief a bit how would it be like that too?
um.. some obvious example I know..

The more ppl buy that model the cheaper will be for spare parts and maintenance. Car depreciation will be lower (which is a good thing) bcoz ppl still wants it. Thats for MyVi.

The less ppl buy that model the more expensive for spare parts & maintenance. Especially the AMT gearbox. ( i heard it cost a bomb to replace it ). Car depreciation is higher (which is a nightmare, unless you want to stay with the car forever, still maintanence will kill you). Thats Savvy.

I duno much abt savvy maintenance and parts but I DO know their 2nd hand value is gone. Comments?
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Changing the auto gear box ino ther cars is cheap meh? it goes into a couple of thousands of ringgit..since AMT use exacly the same gearbox, changing the robotic cluth actuator is even cheaper than normal whole autobox

Typical basher la how do you know the second hand value will be low when I see there are more and more Savvy's..got that

Renault Clio wins awardsa again..and the D4F engine is a proven engine. Everything French is bad in the eyes of pommies...think global not just silly stuffs from top gear alone.


TUV will not simply let proton use it's name. sigh..same old stuffs used when

Later I post. So if you said like that means MyVI is totally a boring car la... only made to move people from point A to point B...like some jeremy said this kind of car has no souls.

later i post bz.


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QUOTE(usus @ May 12 2006, 02:08 PM)
tiara had a bad 2nd hand value. savvy not even in 2nd hand sales yet.
can brief a bit how would it be like that too?
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no ideal what will happen. coz savvy was meant to be tiara replacement model so i just took their words on this. let's pray savvy will be very fuel ecomony to run (better than all those k cars in the market now) because, well, just imagine. after 5 years time, you have 30k to spend on an used car. you ended up in a 2nd hand car dealer and you will be look at all those wira, iswara, satria, kelisa, kenari, myvi and savvy. if you're looking for 4 proper seats and a big boot, you will go for a saloon. if you're not interested in having more space, for sure you will get the one with best fuel ecomomy. why would you have a savvy if its not going to be cheaper to run than other small car? as you can see, at the moment most people went for myvi (for whatever reason), after 5 years time, they would still prefer myvi unless it turns out to be very problematic. again, why would you have a savvy? lotus developed suspension? i guess you won't be looking at this isn't it? how savvy going attract buyers on the 2nd hand market that time? erm.. simple, cut price.

just my 2 cents.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ May 12 2006, 01:22 PM)
please re-read the above posts.

kimmie was saying that he/she tested all Proton cars and thinks Savvy is thebest.

so soggies asked whether he/she tested GTi / Perdana.

IMO Satria GTi and Perdana V6 would be Proton's best offering so far.
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QUOTE(hypermount @ May 12 2006, 03:07 PM)
Changing the auto gear box ino ther cars is cheap meh? it goes into a couple of thousands of ringgit..since AMT use exacly the same gearbox, changing the robotic cluth    actuator is even cheaper than normal whole autobox

Typical basher la how do you know the second hand value will be low when I see there are more and more Savvy's..got that

Renault Clio wins awardsa again..and the D4F engine is a proven engine. Everything French is bad in the eyes of pommies...think global not just silly stuffs from top gear alone.
TUV will not simply let proton use it's name. sigh..same old stuffs used when

Later I post. So if you said like that means MyVI is totally a boring car la... only made to move people from point A to point B...like some jeremy said this kind of car has no souls.

later i post bz.
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If that soo will jeremy clarkson says the new proton savvy has a soul? I doubt he gonna drive it. sweat.gif

n btw, what awards the renault clio has won? What i know is the new renault clio got a award for european car of the year, but if i not mistaken it isnt judge frm the 1.2 renault engine the savvy is using now. Can u clarify me on that?

On the other hand, its i dont like proton savvy, just that i prefer the gen2 much more than the savvy, in terms of looks , perfomance and fun to drive.

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QUOTE(soggie @ May 12 2006, 11:56 AM)
Again you're missing the point. Myvi is made for the people, the people who drive it from point A to B and rely on the warrenties for repairs. They need a reliable car that is comfortable and fuel economic, especially the latter which is the whole reason for compact car's existence. The savvy is meant to be a zippy and fun car, and thus to say the savvy is much better than Myvi just because its good in handling is like saying a wrestler can be a president of a country just because he got big muscles and is stronger than the next candidate.

In terms of handling, savvy pwns myvi. But then, will that sell cars? Alfa romeo learnt that the hard way. In the real world, quality, reliability, comfort come first. Proton needs sales figures, not fun cars that dont meet the market's demands.
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Again you're missing the point. Myvi is made for the people, the people who drive it from point A to B and rely on the warrenties for repairs. They need a reliable car that is comfortable and fuel economic, especially the latter which is the whole reason for compact car's existence. The savvy is meant to be a zippy and fun car, and thus to say the savvy is much better than Myvi just because its good in handling is like saying a wrestler can be a president of a country just because he got big muscles and is stronger than the next candidate.

In terms of handling, savvy pwns myvi. But then, will that sell cars? Alfa romeo learnt that the hard way. In the real world, quality, reliability, comfort come first. Proton needs sales figures, not fun cars that dont meet the market's demands.
Let hypermount read this and see what he will say. Anyhow soggie has a point thqt i strongly agree!
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QUOTE(antikru @ May 12 2006, 10:49 AM)
you think savvy use a hafei lobo engine ka ? come on lar .... d4f ..... but if you dont like buy a Sutera .... see for your self  icon_idea.gif .... i recalled my friends told me savvy was tested a 150 kmh as everyday use ... required by renault due to malaysians aggresive driving. believe me or not ???
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the 1.2 renault engine is nothing good too IMO, heard that (don't know true or not)proton built this savvy model is because of the contract they signed with renault which requires them to buy a certain amount of engines from them.
tiara failed, so savvy takes over..
but it's just rumours that i heard,don't bash me smile.gif)

i dislike sutera too..i think it's worse than savvy
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QUOTE(alasta00 @ May 12 2006, 06:50 PM)
the 1.2 renault engine is nothing good too IMO, heard that (don't know true or not)proton built this savvy model is because of the contract they signed with renault which requires them to buy a certain amount of engines from them.
tiara failed, so savvy takes over..
but it's just rumours that i heard,don't bash me smile.gif)

i dislike sutera too..i think it's worse than savvy
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Tiara is a project collaboration with Citroen not renault.
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QUOTE(alasta00 @ May 12 2006, 06:50 PM)
the 1.2 renault engine is nothing good too IMO, heard that (don't know true or not)proton built this savvy model is because of the contract they signed with renault which requires them to buy a certain amount of engines from them.
tiara failed, so savvy takes over..
but it's just rumours that i heard,don't bash me smile.gif)

i dislike sutera too..i think it's worse than savvy
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hey this is speculating ......... this is rumours that you shouldnt listen to .......


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QUOTE(alasta00 @ May 12 2006, 06:50 PM)
the 1.2 renault engine is nothing good too IMO, heard that (don't know true or not)proton built this savvy model is because of the contract they signed with renault which requires them to buy a certain amount of engines from them.
tiara failed, so savvy takes over..
but it's just rumours that i heard,don't bash me smile.gif)

i dislike sutera too..i think it's worse than savvy
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They use Renault's 1.2L engine bcoz they cant fit in Campro into Savvy coz Campro is too big
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QUOTE(kcng @ May 12 2006, 12:33 AM)
Long road.... long road.....
if long road... all cars also can right ?
hmmm....
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All cars including protons? my fren's saga starting to tremble by 130/km

QUOTE(-=Axis=- @ May 12 2006, 12:39 AM)
i really hope his wife went and bought one, then he will know..

savvy, tiara replacement konon. national car that has the worst 2nd hand value. hopefully this won't happen to his beloved little savvy. anyway, good luck Jeff  icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(DreMAx @ May 12 2006, 11:15 AM)
hmmmm... actually how much is the savvy now? btw how is that handling of that car?
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QUOTE(soggie @ May 12 2006, 11:52 AM)
I guess many of you are missing the point. The main grudge against that review is the dangerous way they carried out the review. So farking what if savvy can hit 170km/h? My waja and Gti can do that easily too. So can any car, given the right conditions. And the highway is not your place to do such tests.

RM150 is all you need to take it down to the track, and in real life nobody carries the car to that kind of speed all the time. Imaging the wear and tear involved! Real cars need good torque, one that the savvy is lacking. Also, the quality issues have not been addressed.

No matter what they say, its not really an honest review. More like an ignorant review.
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QUOTE(soggie @ May 12 2006, 01:30 PM)
Exactly my point. Both are made to satisfy different markets. Just so happens that the "comfort" market seems to be the majority, and the MONEY goes to P2. P1 gets to kick its CEO and swallow its words. That's the real world - unless you're ferrari (who was bought over by Fiat), you just have to make cars that sell, not cars that fun to drive but doesn't serve the majority.

Bad planning on this one, Proton.
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N y shouldn't Savvy be selling good? Majority of the reviews(by those who driven it) doesn't prove bad..

Though r ppl praise it but some just don wanna buy the praises. Coz the name of PROTON. Halo...give a chance la...u guys do hope that our national car can be a good n value to $ car right? But till when can u judge it if u don drive it? If 10 yrs down the road after Poton came out with few more design but u still haven test drive yet looking down at it then Proton will nvr be good enough for u...if u got the $ then just get a Benz or BMW or whatever luxury or sport car that u really think perfect la.

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but Perdana v6 is expensive for me.i like the Perdana but looking at the price tag... better buy new Civic 1.8
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QUOTE(eivan120 @ May 12 2006, 10:54 PM)
All cars including protons? my fren's saga starting to tremble by 130/km
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Savvy 1.2AMT MTC 42k++, Myvi 1.3EZ MTC 46k++. Difference 3.5k++
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N y shouldn't Savvy be selling good? Majority of the reviews(by those who driven it) doesn't prove bad..

Though r ppl praise it but some just don wanna buy the praises. Coz the name of PROTON. Halo...give a chance la...u guys do hope that our national car can be a good n value to $ car right? But till when can u judge it if u don drive it? If 10 yrs down the road after Poton came out with few more design but u still haven test drive yet looking down at it then Proton will nvr be good enough for u...if u got the $ then just get a Benz or BMW or whatever luxury or sport car that u really think perfect la.
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Stock 660 Kancil can do 140.. I dont see why a 1.2 new car cannot do better. Vibrating also depends on the tyres (balancing and stones stuck in the threads).
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ May 13 2006, 12:08 AM)
Stock 660 Kancil can do 140.. I dont see why a 1.2 new car cannot do better. Vibrating also depends on the tyres (balancing and stones stuck in the threads).
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top speed
Hyundai Atos Prima 1.1L : 146 km/h
Daihatsu Sirion 1.3 (MYVI) : 171km/h
Mazda 2 1.4 : 162km/h
Suzuki Swift 1.5L: 185km/h

what is so bad about savvy 1.2L that can do 170km/h?
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QUOTE(eivan120 @ May 12 2006, 10:54 PM)
N y shouldn't Savvy be selling good? Majority of the reviews(by those who driven it) doesn't prove bad..

Though r ppl praise it but some just don wanna buy the praises. Coz the name of PROTON. Halo...give a chance la...u guys do hope that our national car can be a good n value to $ car right? But till when can u judge it if u don drive it? If 10 yrs down the road after Poton came out with few more design but u still haven test drive yet looking down at it then Proton will nvr be good enough for u...if u got the $ then just get a Benz or BMW or whatever luxury or sport car that u really think perfect la.
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Unfortunately, while we want to believe that savvy did not sell because of Proton's reputation, you have to remember one Proton's self created problem - reliability. Myvi had toyota behind it. What does Savvy has? As I've said, quality sells more cars than a tricked up suspension and hard chassis. Proton's reputation does it no good as well - the Waja, Gen2 and Savvy are all cars that are hyped with great handling, but then even so proton's market share dropped significantly since the introduction of Waja and beyond. What does this mean? All those praises, great reviews about handling, and so on, DOES NOT MEET the market demands. The rakyat want a quality car for the money we pay for, who freaking cares about handling when your door handle drops off after one week? And power window self destructs after first service?

I drive a Proton myself, and I'm not happy with it because the whole existence of Proton denies us the abiltiy to buy better cars like Honda City and Vios. We have no freaking choice - and all we ask for, is a focus on quality, a car that will get us from A to B safely and doesn't forces us to fix it up so much. And what do we get? The complete opposite.

By the time you're singing in the rain with ur power window spoilt and the outside raining heavily, I would love to see your car's handling come to the rescue.

We all hope that Proton will improve. That's the whole point why we are bashing it in the first place. If everybody sugar coat their words and support blindly in the pretense of patriotism or plain ignorance, as these Proton supporters are, then tell me, how is proton going to improve?

I'm a basher, but I don't think you even know why I am bashing Proton.
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QUOTE(mockv1per @ May 13 2006, 01:33 AM)
top speed
Hyundai Atos Prima 1.1L : 146 km/h
Daihatsu Sirion 1.3 (MYVI) : 171km/h
Mazda 2 1.4 : 162km/h
Suzuki Swift 1.5L: 185km/h

what is so bad about savvy 1.2L that can do 170km/h?
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Again I ask, so what if savvy can do 170 km/h? It can go up to March 10 for all I care, but if it cannot sell, and cannot meet the market demand, its just a failed car.
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QUOTE(hypermount @ May 12 2006, 03:07 PM)
Changing the auto gear box ino ther cars is cheap meh? it goes into a couple of thousands of ringgit..since AMT use exacly the same gearbox, changing the robotic cluth    actuator is even cheaper than normal whole autobox
Well, the term "Gearbox" is an auto car refers to the whole Autogearbox. The term "gearbox" in the AMT, involves the manual gearbox AND the robotic clutch thingy. That's one extra thing that will potentially breakdown. How does that makes it cheaper to maintain?

QUOTE(hypermount @ May 12 2006, 03:07 PM)
Typical basher la how do you know the second hand value will be low when I see there are more and more Savvy's..got that
I suggest you get a course in simple economics. The higher the demand, the slower the depreciation. Savvy doesn't have much demand last time I checked. Remember, its the demand, not the numbers.

QUOTE(hypermount @ May 12 2006, 03:07 PM)
Renault Clio wins awardsa again..and the D4F engine is a proven engine. Everything French is bad in the eyes of pommies...think global not just silly stuffs from top gear alone.
Unfortunately, renault clio did not win the award because of the engine alone. The clio is a good car overall, with good quality and build. That does not exist in our Savvy, and I don't see how that makes Savvy a better car. All along Proton has very good engines from Mitsubishi. Notice the main complaints DO NOT come from the engine compartment, but from INSIDE the car or on its chassis. Get your priorities right.

QUOTE(hypermount @ May 12 2006, 03:07 PM)
TUV will not simply let proton use it's name. sigh..same old stuffs used when

Later I post. So if you said like that means MyVI is totally a boring car la... only made to move people from point A to point B...like some jeremy said this kind of car has no souls.
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Yep, no souls. Ferrari and Alfa Romeo has lots of soul, but no sales. And guess what keeps a company alive?
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QUOTE(soggie @ May 13 2006, 03:55 AM)
I suggest you get a course in simple economics. The higher the demand, the slower the depreciation. Savvy doesn't have much demand last time I checked. Remember, its the demand, not the numbers.
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i'm pretty sure that people will come and tell you that the quantity of Savvy on the road is increasing.

IMO Savvy sale is doing better now is due to the nicer looking AMT models, green and silver. however IMO many of Savvy's buyers could probably be people who are in dire need of a car and can't wait for Myvi's ridiculous wait time.

i think the wait time explains a lot about the demand.........
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Savvy in first place was meant to replace the Tiara and to capture the small compact car monopolized by P2 and also a poor man car for not getting the Swift, JAzz, Getz etc. Blame it on tax, please that Gov just doing their job, even if P2 and P1 gone, the Gov will not let go one of the important revenue to the nation. Malaysia is the highest selling car market in Asean region. Even with high taxation, it will not stop people to buy Honda, Toyota, Merc, BM. The point is that, accept the reality of the car market in Malaysia. We have to live with it, or you can make a change in 5 years chance. So raise your voice and concern through proper channel.
But as it fully developed and manage to have its slice of market by stand true to its sportiness which is a niche market in Malaysia where everyone concern is the creature compfort of the car.
Its a bold step by Proton to introduce car differently from what market wanted. The sales figure speaks that Myvi overcome the sales of Savvy. But its not the indication of the car is bad or low quality since the car's owner not complaining about the car's problem. And while we waiting for two to three years to bash about the car's power window or other rattle dashboard, proton will come out with another new model. So does other car maker and we will busy rave and rants about new car.
Savvy for the price, fit the budget for someone who love compactness, ride and handling but don't have deep pocket for other Japs or Conti. P1 just give the alternative for the market. Not like it or the name Proton itself bring some bad memories, they are plentiful of choices. Just that your budget permit or not.



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QUOTE(eivan120 @ May 12 2006, 11:54 PM)
All cars including protons? my fren's saga starting to tremble by 130/km
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I used to drive a 10 years old iswara and it dont even tremble at 170 km/h..
only think is that the wind noise is loud...
other then that it din even tremble...
and its stock..

guess that maybe your fren din take care of the car properly ?

tyres, balancing and so on is taken into effect....

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iswara (sedan) is a good car if proton improve on it and make it better...
can sit 5 adult no problem... big storage space for its class...
it will sell even better then savvy if only proton improve on it...

no, proton decided to make savvy....
and i have seen a savvy packed to the brim during the recent long weekend...
pity the family, 2 kids and no storage space.... pity that family...

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P.S -> how long is the waiting time for kelisa and kancil ? about the same as myvi ?
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no sweat, but i am one of the proton owner that walked away from Myvi after i've seen numerous issues regarding the brakes, immobilizers, starter, air bag & air cond, and i ignored my deposits for myvi andget a proton cars.

and guess what? i never forget the fun that my Proton gavesme while I drive it everyday!

Proton is not like the old proton anymore. however, this does not apply to Wiras & Iswaras as they're built on obsoleted technology and do not comply to today's safety & emmission standard. and proton agreed to phase them out within this year.

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no bashing of Proton intended..... My first car was an Iswara, then 1.6Auto Waja, then 1.3 Waja. Every single one of them had the power window problem. The last one, the powered window wasn't even working the day I collected the new car! (don't they test the car at all?)
The dashboard sound...... biasa lah. "Tarak bunyi, bukan Proton lah, boss" - quote from Proton when I went to complain.Sigh.....

Is time to change my 1.3Wira now........ after long thought about MyV, I decided to bite the bullet and go for a Japanese car to save my all the headache and heartache. Thrice bitten, forever shy !


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QUOTE(navigator @ May 13 2006, 10:55 AM)
no sweat, but i am one of the proton owner that walked away from Myvi after i've seen numerous issues regarding the brakes, immobilizers, starter, air bag & air cond, and i ignored my deposits for myvi andget a proton cars.

and guess what? i never forget the fun that my Proton gavesme while I drive it everyday!

Proton is not like the old proton anymore. however, this does not apply to Wiras & Iswaras as they're built on obsoleted technology and do not comply to today's safety & emmission standard. and proton agreed to phase them out within this year.
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I don need to understand y, as urself already said it "I'm a basher". What's the point of talking to a basher that can predict the future by saying "this proton savvy is not goin to be a good stuff, see la" Have u driven the Savvy (it is what this topic about)? So do tell me after u tried it or bought it.

N another thing...if u know well about econ n marketing, u should know the selling is not only the depends on the product itself, it oso need timing, advertising, marketing strategy n etc.
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Again I ask, so what if savvy can do 170 km/h? It can go up to March 10 for all I care, but if it cannot sell, and cannot meet the market demand, its just a failed car.
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So what? i mean, i dont care if savvy can go up to 170 dude! its good enough for a 1.2L car. im replying the guy above me about his statement that his stock kancil 660 go up to 140km/h. if 660cc can go up to 140, then he assume that 1.2L should go up to 260km/h? do you even understand his statement? and 3L car suppose to speed up til 500km/h? doh.gif
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QUOTE(soggie @ May 13 2006, 03:55 AM)
Unfortunately, renault clio did not win the award because of the engine alone. The clio is a good car overall, with good quality and build. That does not exist in our Savvy, and I don't see how that makes Savvy a better car. All along Proton has very good engines from Mitsubishi. Notice the main complaints DO NOT come from the engine compartment, but from INSIDE the car or on its chassis. Get your priorities right.
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Savvy is also good car overall, with good and build. What are you complaining?


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Blame it on tax, please that Gov just doing their job, even if P2 and P1 gone, the Gov will not let go one of the important revenue to the nation. Malaysia is the highest selling car market in Asean region.

Its a bold step by Proton to introduce car differently from what market wanted. The sales figure speaks that Myvi overcome the sales of Savvy. But its not the indication of the car is bad or low quality since the car's owner not complaining about the car's problem.

Savvy for the price, fit the budget for someone who love compactness, ride and handling but don't have deep pocket for other Japs or Conti.
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The gov will not let go of tax eventhough P1 and P2 is gone? hello, are you okay? do u know why the tax even existed in the first place? If P1 and P2 does not exist, there is absolutely no reason the gov would impose 100-300% import duty on foreign cars. The NAP announced by the gov is rather pathetic due to the increase of interest rate. It seems that the gov will continue to support Protong to suck blood out of average Malaysians. That's not fine with me.

Bold step from Protong to introduce car differs than the market? I wonder if its bold or stupid. Every players in the auto-industry needs to meet market demands/requirements. That where they sell their cars, if's not like market demand A type and I build type B hoping it will sell. It's true that savvy is not bad or low quality as for matter infact it does not show savvy is a good car package for Malaysian either.

Agreed with the bold statement. The hatch is priced at 40k plus and ffs, dont come here and brag savvy's sportiness since you cant afford a better one.
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no sweat, but i am one of the proton owner that walked away from Myvi after i've seen numerous issues regarding the brakes, immobilizers, starter, air bag & air cond, and i ignored my deposits for myvi andget a proton cars.

and guess what? i never forget the fun that my Proton gavesme while I drive it everyday!
hahah.. numerous issue on myvi? I dont remember anyone having serious problem with myvi. That depends on luck though. Care to explain the issue you can observe on myvi? Oh, some issue with brake and airbag? rolleyes.gif any proof? explain further or else I will deem you as raving moron. whistling.gif
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N another thing...if u know well about econ n marketing, u should know the selling is not only the depends on the product itself, it oso need timing, advertising, marketing strategy n etc.
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We are talking about 2nd hand value here. Wtf with all these marketing strategy and advertising crap? rolleyes.gif you want to participate in an argument at least you DO SOME reading.
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QUOTE(specman @ May 13 2006, 11:02 AM)
no bashing of Proton intended..... My first car was an Iswara, then 1.6Auto Waja, then 1.3 Waja. Every single one of them had the power window problem. The last one, the powered window wasn't even working the day I collected the new car! (don't they test the car at all?)
The dashboard sound...... biasa lah. "Tarak bunyi, bukan Proton lah, boss" - quote from Proton when I went to complain.Sigh.....

Is time to change my 1.3Wira now........ after long thought about MyV, I decided to bite the bullet and go for a Japanese car to save my all the headache and heartache. Thrice bitten, forever shy !
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1.3 Waja????? You mod the engine yourself is it whistling.gif
I myself driving Waja 1.6M and my power window works perfectly fine. No sounds from dashboard also icon_rolleyes.gif I like to drive with it, but not for long travel because I kinda feel cramp on my leg when drive it long,maybe I need to adjust the seat laugh.gif

Anyway, my mom is driving a honda city and I found it is a great car also, nice seat(higher) compared to waja. But I don't know why the dashboard got sound coming out since the 1st day she gets the car. Same thing happen after the 1st service. Going to repair it at Honda Service center later doh.gif

I wanted to test the savy, but none of my friends own it...sigh....
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QUOTE(specman @ May 13 2006, 12:02 PM)
no bashing of Proton intended..... My first car was an Iswara, then 1.6Auto Waja, then 1.3 Waja. Every single one of them had the power window problem. The last one, the powered window wasn't even working the day I collected the new car! (don't they test the car at all?)
The dashboard sound...... biasa lah. "Tarak bunyi, bukan Proton lah, boss" - quote from Proton when I went to complain.Sigh.....

Is time to change my 1.3Wira now........ after long thought about MyV, I decided to bite the bullet and go for a Japanese car to save my all the headache and heartache. Thrice bitten, forever shy !
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1.3 waja ?
wow.... this is pure basher without facts....

then he say its time to change his 1.3 wira ?

blind basher ?
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I don need to understand y, as urself already said it "I'm a basher". What's the point of talking to a basher ..........
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Hi Proton Basher....
lite'en up guys. some bashers are not wrong either, there are senseless bashers who bash for no reason at all while there are bashers who actually bash with facts.

learn to view more openly, the bashers DO have their points if you're actually WILLING to see.


QUOTE(eivan120 @ May 13 2006, 12:44 PM)
N another thing...if u know well about econ n marketing, u should know the selling is not only the depends on the product itself, it oso need timing, advertising, marketing strategy n etc.
heh...... that's the thing they missed with Savvy. IMO it was a good car spoiled by bad timing, advertising and perhaps pricing (yeah, marketing strategy)

good to see the AMT versions are populating the roads. love them silver / green colored ones.


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1.3 waja ?
wow.... this is pure basher without facts....

then he say its time to change his 1.3 wira ?

blind basher ?
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he DID post his facts, which is his bad experience with Proton cars. and about that 1.3 Waja..... can't you just wait for him to clarify? could be a typo.

he said he changed to Myvi cos he's fed up of Proton's power-window problem(s) and the attitude given when complain about dashboard noise. simple as that.

it's like that la. you use a certain make and if every time it gives problem, you'll eventually settle for something else.
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We are talking about 2nd hand value here. Wtf with all these marketing strategy and advertising crap? rolleyes.gif you want to participate in an argument at least you DO SOME reading.
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Uh.......i think U R THE ONE should read the topic title! What is the topic title please? How does a Savvy 2nd value will mark? rclxub.gif U r the 1 should read clearly b4 u make a remark! Do i sounds like i'm replying to that issue? i'm replying on the remarks on the quality of Savvy n y is it not selling as in NEW CAR in the market....well...look up the post please so u can understand what's i'm talking about b4 asking me to "DO SOME reading". doh.gif

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lite'en up guys. some bashers are not wrong either, there are senseless bashers who bash for no reason at all while there are bashers who actually bash with facts.

learn to view more openly, the bashers DO have their points if you're actually WILLING to see.
heh...... that's the thing they missed with Savvy. IMO it was a good car spoiled by bad timing, advertising and perhaps pricing (yeah, marketing strategy)
True enough....some just empty talk n some with a fact. I'm not saying they're wrong i'm just trying to say maybe proton deserve a chance...If u keep on saying bad things about something which u didn't hands on u wouldn't know...I'm not pro proton, in fact i find it annoying with those little problem going on its' car, n i used to like this "Proton? don la....sooner or later must got problem 1..." but hey...we're talking bout Savvy now....so far reviews is not bad....so i don make the mention statement anymore coz i think Savvy deserve a chance for ppl to look at it as a point where proton is start to change (maybe) laugh.gif .

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True enough....some just empty talk n some with a fact. I'm not saying they're wrong i'm just trying to say maybe proton deserve a chance...If u keep on saying bad things about something which u didn't hands on u wouldn't know...I'm not pro proton, in fact i find it annoying with those little problem going on its' car, n i used to like this "Proton? don la....sooner or later must got problem 1..."  but hey...we're talking bout Savvy now....so far reviews is not bad....so i don make the mention statement anymore coz i think Savvy deserve a chance for ppl to look at it as a point where proton is start to change (maybe)  laugh.gif .
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yes, but the thing is here's how a lot of people 'DEFEND' the object of bashing - they'll say "you haven't try it...... don't come saying it's bad" or similar phrase, which is ridiculous.

that's why we have forums, for people to ask around. information could come from other source, one does not need to OWN a particular item to have knowledge of it's pros and cons.

same goes to computer parts - you don't need to own everything to know the pros and cons. however just be wiser it 'accepting' the words of others, cos some are bashers while others could be reliable sources. biggrin.gif



oh and about the 2nd hand value of Savvy, i think it's too soon to judge as well. even cars like Audi after a few years also could barely sell of less than half the purchase price - that doesn't make them a bad car either.
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Posted on Today, 12:56 PM


Uh.......i think U R THE ONE should read the topic title! What is the topic title please? How does a Savvy 2nd value will mark? rclxub.gif U r the 1 should read clearly b4 u make a remark! Do i sounds like i'm replying to that issue? i'm replying on the remarks on the quality of Savvy n y is it not selling as in NEW CAR in the market....well...look up the post please so u can understand what's i'm talking about b4 asking me to "DO SOME reading".


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lol, what a loser. laugh.gif Why the hell do you quote soggie's post if you are not continuing his argument? admitting your mistake does not make you that bad, but trying to deny and twist your statement makes you a typical loser. shakehead.gif

Btw, thats not econ knowledge, dude. Thats common sense. rolleyes.gif anyway,it doesnt matter now,I dont argue with idiots. It degrades me down to their level. yawn.gif
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QUOTE(eivan120 @ May 14 2006, 01:06 PM)
True enough....some just empty talk n some with a fact. I'm not saying they're wrong i'm just trying to say maybe proton deserve a chance...If u keep on saying bad things about something which u didn't hands on u wouldn't know...I'm not pro proton, in fact i find it annoying with those little problem going on its' car, n i used to like this "Proton? don la....sooner or later must got problem 1..."  but hey...we're talking bout Savvy now....so far reviews is not bad....so i don make the mention statement anymore coz i think Savvy deserve a chance for ppl to look at it as a point where proton is start to change (maybe)  laugh.gif .
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Reviews are not bad, undeniably. But remember, these reviews come from local magazines. Local people who have lived their whole lives with the inferior quality of Proton, thinking that that's what the international standard is. Unfortunate indeed that none of the Proton supporters here actually catch on to my main point regarding Savvy - please do quote me when did I say Savvy is a bad car? I remarked that Savvy is a good car with an attitude, but clearly cut for the spirited driving bunch, which in Malaysia is the minority. The reason I say Savvy is a failure is due to the fact that when Proton needed a mass quantity of sales (2005), Savvy failed to deliver the sales amount to breakeven on the expected date, and the R&D money is practically wasted down the drain after being over-shadowed by the success of Myvi. A company like Proton needs cash inflow to continue its existence, and Savvy is clearly not doing it any good. So how does these facts come out as empty facts and baseless statements?

Have you driven a Savvy before? Do you own one? If your source of information comes from reviews, then I believe that your statement's credibility, according to your own rules of credibility, is nothing superior than mine.


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Savvy is also good car overall, with good and build. What are you complaining?
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QUOTE(eivan120 @ May 14 2006, 01:06 PM)
True enough....some just empty talk n some with a fact. I'm not saying they're wrong i'm just trying to say maybe proton deserve a chance...If u keep on saying bad things about something which u didn't hands on u wouldn't know...I'm not pro proton, in fact i find it annoying with those little problem going on its' car, n i used to like this "Proton? don la....sooner or later must got problem 1..."  but hey...we're talking bout Savvy now....so far reviews is not bad....so i don make the mention statement anymore coz i think Savvy deserve a chance for ppl to look at it as a point where proton is start to change (maybe)  laugh.gif .
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Well, my whole family has been driving proton for a long time, and the most reliable car in our garage is the old 1986 Proton Saga. and that's with meticulous alfa-romeo style maintennance.

Savvy deserve a chance, yes, and Proton, with its new CEO, has my blessings. Right now they are doin things right, and hopefully Syed Zainal Abidin will continue this trend. But for Savvy, it came at a wrong time, aimed at a wrong target, and I believe that it'll be a miracle for Savvy to regain its lost ground. Maybe years later it might turn out to be a sleeper car like the AE86, who knows? But for now, clearly, its not doing any good for Proton.
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QUOTE(sranua @ May 13 2006, 08:52 AM)
Savvy in first place was meant to replace the Tiara and to capture the small compact car monopolized by P2 and also a poor man car for not getting the Swift, JAzz, Getz etc. Blame it on tax, please that Gov just doing their job, even if P2 and P1 gone, the Gov will not let go one of the important revenue to the nation. Malaysia is the highest selling car market in Asean region. Even with high taxation, it will not stop people to buy Honda, Toyota, Merc, BM. The point is that, accept the reality of the car market in Malaysia. We have to live with it, or you can make a change in 5 years chance. So raise your voice and concern through proper channel.
But as it fully developed and manage to have its slice of market by stand true to its sportiness which is a niche market in Malaysia where everyone concern is the creature compfort of the car.
Its a bold step by Proton to introduce car differently from what market wanted. The sales figure speaks that Myvi overcome the sales of Savvy. But its not the indication of the car is bad or low quality since the car's owner not complaining about the car's problem. And while we waiting for two to three years to bash about the car's power window or other rattle dashboard, proton will come out with another new model. So does other car maker and we will busy rave and rants about new car.
Savvy for the price, fit the budget for someone who love compactness, ride and handling but don't have deep pocket for other Japs or Conti. P1 just give the alternative for the market. Not like it or the name Proton itself bring some bad memories, they are plentiful of choices. Just that your budget permit or not.
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I MAY agree with you IF proton is the world's top 5 biggest car manufacturers. Proton is a company with limited cash, and needs sales volume to survive. Savvy is meant to bring in sales volume, which it clearly did not. Yes, its bold to play around with niche markets, but unless Proton wants to be the next Ferrari, they have to make sure the cash keeps on flowing.

I hope my statement is clear enough to pinpoint my stance on this whole Savvy issue.
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QUOTE(eivan120 @ May 13 2006, 12:44 PM)
I don need to understand y, as urself already said it "I'm a basher". What's the point of talking to a basher that can predict the future by saying "this proton savvy is not goin to be a good stuff, see la" Have u driven the Savvy (it is what this topic about)? So do tell me after u tried it or bought it.

N another thing...if u know well about econ n marketing, u should know the selling is not only the depends on the product itself, it oso need timing, advertising, marketing strategy n etc.
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A politician and a common serial killer can both say "I'm a killer" and it will ring true but on different contexts for both parties. I'm a basher, but you're quick and insistant to label me along with those that bash just for the emotional fun, those that lack points and facts to back up their statements. That's your view, so none of my business, but well if you conveniently ignore all my points and choose to ridicule me based on your own stereotype, then sorry girl, you're just fighting the straw man war.

Economy I understand, and I understand selling as to the marketing, advertising and timing too. And guess what, the pathetic sales number of Savvy has to do with all of the above mentioned factors. The product itself is a worthy car for a niche market, and a niche market aint what Proton needs right now. The GTi and SRM is sufficient to satisfy such markets. Sadly, the former CEO who was a racer first and an engineer second, did not seem to realize this.

So tell me, how will Savvy do any good to Proton at all? Remember, we still need to work on the export market.
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QUOTE(nexona @ May 14 2006, 09:24 PM)
lol, what a loser. laugh.gif Why the hell do you quote soggie's post if you are not continuing his argument? admitting your mistake does not make you that bad, but trying to deny and twist your statement makes you a typical loser. shakehead.gif

Btw, thats not econ knowledge, dude. Thats common sense. rolleyes.gif anyway,it doesnt matter now,I dont argue with idiots. It degrades me down to their level.  yawn.gif
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QUOTE(soggie @ May 15 2006, 01:09 AM)
A politician and a common serial killer can both say "I'm a killer" and it will ring true but on different contexts for both parties. I'm a basher, but you're quick and insistant to label me along with those that bash just for the emotional fun, those that lack points and facts to back up their statements. That's your view, so none of my business, but well if you conveniently ignore all my points and choose to ridicule me based on your own stereotype, then sorry girl, you're just fighting the straw man war.

Economy I understand, and I understand selling as to the marketing, advertising and timing too. And guess what, the pathetic sales number of Savvy has to do with all of the above mentioned factors. The product itself is a worthy car for a niche market, and a niche market aint what Proton needs right now. The GTi and SRM is sufficient to satisfy such markets. Sadly, the former CEO who was a racer first and an engineer second, did not seem to realize this.

So tell me, how will Savvy do any good to Proton at all? Remember, we still need to work on the export market.
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As i mention i understand some ppl bash without a fact n some with, n as i mentioned as well ppl should give proton a chance instead of picking on its current creation with the past bad record. Not that we shouldn't take account of what happen in the Proton history but hey...till when then? It's like u ppl r kinda saying "once a bad car, always a bad car". Sorry if u didn't mean that but that's the idea u gave me of what u have posted.

Oh...by the way....i think local proton n exported proton r not the same in certain way.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ May 14 2006, 07:30 PM)
yes, but the thing is here's how a lot of people 'DEFEND' the object of bashing - they'll say "you haven't try it...... don't come saying it's bad" or similar phrase, which is ridiculous.

that's why we have forums, for people to ask around. information could come from other source, one does not need to OWN a particular item to have knowledge of it's pros and cons.

same goes to computer parts - you don't need to own everything to know the pros and cons. however just be wiser it 'accepting' the words of others, cos some are bashers while others could be reliable sources. biggrin.gif
So....where come this root of info then?
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QUOTE(soggie @ May 15 2006, 12:53 AM)
Reviews are not bad, undeniably. But remember, these reviews come from local magazines. Local people who have lived their whole lives with the inferior quality of Proton, thinking that that's what the international standard is.
QUOTE(soggie @ May 15 2006, 01:03 AM)
I MAY agree with you IF proton is the world's top 5 biggest car manufacturers.


To make it up the international standard? Wow....slow slow wait la. Hmmm....but i wonder do the exported model have the same problem with the locals?
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QUOTE(kcng @ May 14 2006, 02:42 AM)
1.3 waja ?
wow.... this is pure basher without facts....

then he say its time to change his 1.3 wira ?

blind basher ?
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Oops, too many Proton, got mix up.... 1.3 Wira I meant rclxub.gif

reading my post the second time.... the 1.6Auto was a Wira also, not Waja .
....blind basher?...... nah.... just blind typist whistling.gif


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QUOTE(eivan120 @ May 15 2006, 10:07 AM)
doh.gif Gosh...i don think u understand what i meant don u?
As i mention i understand some ppl bash without a fact n some with, n as i mentioned as well ppl should give proton a chance instead of picking on its current creation with the past bad record. Not that we shouldn't take account of what happen in the Proton history but hey...till when then? It's like u ppl r kinda saying "once a bad car, always a bad car". Sorry if u didn't mean that but that's the idea u gave me of what u have posted.

Oh...by the way....i think local proton n exported proton r not the same in certain way.
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Well, then say what you want for my stance. To defend my stance would be unnecessary to the topic of discussion now. What I'm saying is not that once a bad car, always a bad car. What I'm saying is, keep it REAL.

Improvement of quality don't come in one single day. How many vendors does Proton has? 3000-4000 individual vendors, all distributing different parts to the vehicle. Where does the quality problem come from? Two sides - Proton's QC and the vendor's supplies. Now Proton's QC problem can be sorted out in literally one day. The vendor's ware's qualities however, takes months, even year to correct. A lathe machine and reconfiguring the tensions and tolerances of various items is not easy, not to mention the politics that ties the vendors to Proton! You can't just slap on a TUV label to Savvy and expect the rakyat to think that quality is better. It takes time, and if Proton is doing that, we would have noticed it. Savvy was the car that they tried to improve on, and from what I recall, that focus on quality only came AFTER the rumors of Myvi hit the public and toppled the public's anticipation from Proton. Check the histories - Mahaleel tried the quality play (100% marketin on quality "das isk perfek"), and when it still loses out to Myvi's launch, they changed strategies and marketed on performance - the only part where Savvy wins over Myvi.

Nobody is saying once a bad car, always a bad car. THe current CEO, Syed Zainal Abidin, EX-manufacturing director (I might be wrong) of Perodua (but he is definately from perodua), is doing just that - admitting the quality problems of Proton (unlike his predecessor), and announcing that they are going to improve it, and even announced the strategy, which sounds so good on paper. Mahaleel said Waja would never have failed power windows, and after that power windows failed after all, and consistently. Then came Gen2, with all those promises of quality. Again, it freaking failed. Too damn consistent, we have learnt.

I just hope the new CEO can turn Proton around. They lost the Detriot of Asia title to Thailand, they screw up the rakyat for 20 freaking years, and they lost the lucrative deal with VW on unreasonable reasons (patriotism and national interest my shiney ass). This new CEO know what game he is in - make it or break it. If the future cars does not work out, I'm sure we can all say this:

Good bye Proton, thanks for all the rape.
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To make it up the international standard? Wow....slow slow wait la. Hmmm....but i wonder do the exported model have the same problem with the locals?
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You have to understand one thing - exported models DO NOT have the same quality as local models. Alfa romeo pulled out from selling in the US because of quality problems. Early japanese cars were rejected due to its horrible quality, despite its pricing. Hyundai recently got better just because they finally got their quality problem sorted out. From here you should know that quality and reliability is far more important in the major international markets in the US, UK, Europe and Australia. Proton cannot survive there if they are to export cars of sub quality at premium prices.

So they improved the export market's quality and exported them. Why care for the local market? They have to buy Proton, they have no choice. No need to sacrifice margin for the local rakyat. The government is protecting Proton, and the common people have no choice but to buy Proton. Complain as much as they can, at the end of the day they got no choice but to turn to Proton. Why care?

Exported models have superior quality, that's the perception. And that's why the UK version of Satria 1.6 has so much demand in the local market.

This local vs exported model factor is one of the reasons why Proton bashers exists. Please don't associate patriotism with buying local. I associate patriotism with helping the rakyat - not helping the politicians screw the rakyat more. And that's by being an Anti-Proton guy.
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QUOTE(specman @ May 15 2006, 11:28 AM)
Oops, too many Proton, got mix up.... 1.3 Wira I meant  rclxub.gif

reading my post the second time.... the 1.6Auto was a Wira also, not Waja .
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anyone has a 2006 proton and how is it so far ?
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no problem........ talking about Waja........my mother in law 3years old Waja, from the first day, you have to start the engine and let it run for 5 to 10 minutes before you can step on the accelarator and drive. Otherwise the engine will just die. Nobody, not even Proton can fix it. Being a quiet housewife, she never made any noise to Proton and has been living with the car in that condition ever since. Imagine if got emergency and you need the car to go straight from idle. Very frustrating indeed.
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Anyone own savvy here? Care to share you stories or anything, good or bad it doesn't matter? Any problem when using it?
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5 May 2006 CARkeys
Road Test
Proton Savvy 1.2 Style

A Savvy Deal?
by David Finlay (08 May 06)

A marketing person once told me that if you try to appeal to everyone, you
end up appealing to no one. I was reminded of these words when I read the
Savvy press pack, which claims that the car will "transcend all age
boundaries" thanks to its combination of sporty styling, superior ride and
handling, low insurance group and low price (all designed to entice young
buyers) plus a wealth of features intended to impress older folk. That, as
they say, remains to be seen.

I take up a more definite position about Proton's claim that the Savvy is
"the ultimate city car". Marketingspeak should never be taken too
seriously, of course, but this is just absurd. One of the key requirements
of any city car is that it should be easy to drive, and most of the Savvy's
rivals, whatever their pros and cons in other departments, are just that.
The Savvy, to an almost unbelievable degree, isn't.

Or at least it probably would be if you paid top dollar and went for the
automatic transmission option. The car tested here is a manual, and it has
the spongiest clutch pedal I've experienced in years, along with the
stiffest, notchiest, downright cussedest gearchange of any car I can think
of on sale in the UK.

You might think this was because the car was very new, but in fact it had
more than 3000 miles on the clock when I got it. I'm forced to conclude,
therefore, that that's just the way the Savvy is, and that the effort you
have to put into changing gear at all (a common feature of city driving,
let's not forget) is just part of the deal.

On the open road the Savvy is a little more promising. Its 1.2-litre engine
produces a maximum of 75bhp, which isn't bad for the size. I'm not sure I'd
want more power than that; the car feels skittery on country roads as it is
- superior ride and handling, indeed! - and there's a bit of an issue with
wandering in crosswinds.

The shape, which is certainly distinctive, didn't appeal to any of the
teenagers who saw the car while I had it. Nor did they have the first idea
what the word "savvy" meant, which may not be good news for Proton
considering they surely represent part of the target market (or at least
they will when they have driving licences).

Packaging isn't a strong point either. From the outside you would think the
Savvy would hold four adults quite easily, but although there's plenty of
access (the car has five doors as standard) there's not a lot of room once
you're in there. The front has loads of headroom, but tall drivers won't be
able to get far enough away from the steering wheel and pedals; in the
back, conversely, legroom isn't bad but the rear seat is raised so high
that anyone six feet tall or over will find their head jammed against the
roof. Even in the city car class, that's well below average.

Luggage capacity is 207 litres with the rear seat up. It's split into two
equal parts to make the Savvy a three-seater with more luggage space, and
with the seat down entirely the volume reaches 909 litres.

The list price of the test car is £6995, though you can save £1000 by
opting for the Savvy Street. The Savvy Style shown here gets 15" alloy
wheels (the Street has 14" steel ones), locking wheelnuts, body-coloured
doorhandles and mirrors, electric front windows, air-conditioning (with
pollen filter) and front foglights. If you want the automatic transmission
you have to go for the Style, which in this form costs £7695.

All these prices assume that your Savvy is painted Chilli Red. There are
four other colours - blue, grey, green and black - and they're all
metallic, adding £300 to the cost of the car.

Standard equipment includes a reverse parking sensor, which of course is a
useful piece of kit on a city car. My only issue with it as that the
proximity warning comes in the form of a piercing squawk which, though
usefully unambiguous (you wouldn't mistake it for the song of a nearby
nightingale, for example), is also quite painful.

The same noise doubles as a sonic reminder that you're about to engage
reverse gear, and that means you're almost certain to hear it at least
twice in succession, since in my experience it's nearly impossible to
manhandle the lever into reverse at the first attempt.

Prices include six-year unlimited mileage bodywork warranty, three-year
unlimited mileage paintwork warranty, three years' RAC assistance and
vehicle recovery and a 24-hour accident care line. These, as far as I can
see, are the best reasons for buying the Savvy, but bear in mind that much
better city cars have pretty good support schemes too.

Price: £6995
Capacity: 1149cc
Power: 75bhp
0-62mph: 13.9 seconds
Maximum speed: 99mph
Economy: 61.4mpg extra urban, 49.6mpg combined
CO2 emissions: 134g/km
Insurance: Group 4
Proton figures.

Second Opinion:
The Savvy was not particularly easy or pleasurable to drive, especially
with regards to gear changing. While it was not too bad to live with for a
week, I wouldn't want the Savvy to be outside my house every day. It's not
much to look at, and screams budget at every angle. The price is quite
reasonable, but if it were my money I'd be looking for a more comfortable
second hand car.

http://www.carkeys.co.uk/road_test/proton/9969.asp
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thats what i called an honest review. a sporty car that isn't sporty, yet far from comfort. thats excatly what i think of it.
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just wait till those savvy supporters wake up
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http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/car-review/1636308.aspx

OVERVIEW
Malaysian car-maker Proton has kicked more behinds than goals during its time in Australia.

The brand had some success with its Satria small car -- especially among devotees of 'hot fours', who went for the GTi version. It bombed with its Lotus-tweaked Waja, which was priced, let's just say, ambitiously. And its most recent Gen II small car hasn't pressed many emotional buttons out there in buyer land either.

Perhaps Proton's biggest success has been the Satria-based Jumbuck, which took up where Subaru's much-loved Brumby left off (albeit with two-wheel drive only) as a cheap and cheerful half-tonne ute.

The newcomer in Proton's Australian range, the cheekily-named Savvy small car (actually, it slots into the VFACTS light car category) arrives with unusual looks which you'll either like instantly or, probably, eventually. Lotus also has had some input into this car (Proton owns the iconic English carmaker) in terms of ride and handling, and some design elements.

Proton's also happy to highlight the fact that the Savvy carries certification from the internationally-recognised, German compliance engineering, testing and quality registration group, TUV Rheinland. TUV certified the overall vehicle and went through the whole build process, including the componentry suppliers to Proton.

Importantly, the Savvy arrives with a $13,990 pricetag for a five-door hatchback with five-speed manual gearbox and a solid features list. A similarly five-speed clutchless A/MT (automatic/manual transmission) version -- a first in this price bracket -- is $1000 extra.

Holden's Daewoo-sourced Barina three-door may lead the market at $12,990, but the Savvy offers five doors -- and a better standard equipment list -- for a grand. On the surface, impressive pricing...

Importantly, the Savvy claims hybrid-like fuel economy. Its combined city and highway figure is 5.7lt/100km, and the A/MT-equipped Savvy is said to deliver an impressive 4.5lt/100km, marginally better than the five-speed manual.

However, there's a sting in the Savvy's fuel economy tale... You'll read about it shortly.


FEATURES
The Savvy arrives in one model level only, the A/MT version being the only differentiator from the standard offering. Under its clamshell-like bonnet is a 1.2-litre, SOHC four-cylinder engine driving the front wheels.

Proton Cars Australia has chosen to equip the Savvy generously. Standard equipment includes driver and front passenger airbags, an anti-lock braking system, front fog lamps, parking sensors, CD player, power front windows (the side mirrors need to be adjusted manually, however), air-conditioning, remote central locking, 15-inch alloy wheels (the spare's a space-saver and is located under the boot floor) and decent tyres.

The driver's bucket seat offers fore and aft tilt via a big, triangular knob on its base. But don't look for steering wheel height adjustment -- it's not there.

In what we're told is another Lotus-inspired touch, the two main instrument dials are yellow-faced. Again, you're either going to love 'em or need to warm to them. At least they're different and add to the Savvy's cheekiness.


COMFORT
Inside, the Savvy is comfortable without being warm and inviting. The first things you notice when you open the driver's door are the grey-fabric trimmed seats -- with fine polka-dot inserts -- the hard plastic dashboard and, yes, those hard-to-miss yellow-face instruments.

Sit in the driver's seat, and you'll notice that it offers good support, both in terms of its cushion and the firmish lateral bolsters on the seat squab. The thick-rimmed plastic steering wheel feels good in your hands, too.

Both the above-mentioned attributes work well in combination with perhaps the Savvy's biggest plus ... it's surprisingly good ride and handling. (See 'On the Road' below.)

The car is roomy inside, too. Drivers and front seat passengers hovering around 183cm won't have too many complaints about head and shoulder room. Rear seat passengers of the same stature may be challenged for headroom, but legroom's okay, front and rear. We didn't get to sit on the rear seat for any great distance, but wouldn't be surprised if that thin-cushion, sat slap-bang on the car's raised floor, gets a bit wearing after a while.

The rear bench is split 50-50 and either or both sides can be folded flat by lifting the lightweight cushion up and swinging it forward, parking it against the back of the front seat. By removing the head restraint/s, you're than able to fold the squabs flat.


SAFETY
We've already mentioned the two airbags up front, which is good news. However, the not-so-good news is that the centre-rear seat belt is a lap-only item. Bargain basement price or not, this isn't really isn't on nowadays.

Proton also makes big claims for the Savvy's structural integrity, the car having achieved a three-star rating in the Australia-recognised Euro NCAP crash tests.

Active safety equipment includes the ABS braking system -- working on class-standard disc front/rear drum brakes -- and EBD (Electronic Brake-force Distribution). Both are generous standard additions at this pricepoint.


MECHANICALS
The 1.2-litre multipoint injection, four cylinder engine is sourced from Renault (as are both the manual and AM/T transmissions) and develops a modest 55kW of power at 5500rpm and 105Nm of torque at 4250rpm.
Proton says 90 per cent of the engine's torque is available between 1750 and 4250rpm.

The engine is Euro4 emissions compliant with what's said to be exemplary CO2 emissions of 118g/km.

All of which is well and good. The surprise, however, is in the fact that the engine sips only 95 octane unleaded, which can range from three to six cents a litre more expensive than regular unleaded. At those prices, filling the 40-litre tank will cost you between $1.20 and $2.40 more than regular unleaded. Small change maybe, but worth adding into your price of ownership calculations.

Gear ratios are identical in both transmissions, with fifth an overdrive 0.821:1 and final drive ratio of 4.214.

Suspension is pretty much regulation struts at the front with gas dampers and L-arms off the front subframe. The rear is a semi-independent torsion beam set-up, again with gas dampers.

Brakes are ventilated discs at the front and drums at the rear, with the aforementioned ABS and EBD systems distinctly worthwhile standard additions.


COMPETITORS
The Savvy arrives in the sharpest, most hotly-contested end of the market. Calling it cut-throat is putting it mildly.

In terms of its five-door competition, the Savvy's $13,990 gives it big bargaining power.

Of the major players, Holden's badge-engineered Barina is $14,490 and comes with power windows and mirrors, together with a CD/MP3 audio system but misses out on the Savvy's standard ABS and alloy wheels (they're part of an $1190 option pack). The four-speed automatic is a $2000 option. The Barina weighs more than the Savvy but counters with 22kW more power and 40Nm more torque.

Ford's German-built Fiesta costs $16,490 in four-door LX form. That's a big price differential in this end of the market, but it's arguably the best drive in the light car category. ABS and EBD is a $700 option, while ABS is packaged with the four-speed automatic as a $2200 option.

Hyundai's Getz also offers substantially more power and torque from its 1.4-litre engine (78kW and 144Nm respectively) but is a chunky 120kg heavier than the little Proton, and, in five-door form, $500 more expensive. ABS with EBD is part of the four-wheel-disc system on 1.6-litre Getz models which, in five-door form will cost you $15,490 for the manual and $17,380 with automatic transmission.

Closest in both engine capacity and claimed fuel economy is the 1.3-litre Honda Jazz GLi, which starts at $15,390 for the five-speed manual and $17,390 for the CVT automatic version. Honda claims a combined 5.7lt/100km from the manual and 5.8lt/100km for the CVT-equipped version. ABS with EBD is standard across the range.

Kia's Rio offers a class-leading 82kW and 145Nm from its 1.6-litre four-cylinder engine and a combined 7.6lt/100km from the five-speed manual-equipped $15,990 version and 8.6lt/100km from its $17,990 four-speed automatic sibling. The Rio weighs in at the bulkiest in this company, at 1215kg. ABS is an $850 option.

The perky Mazda2's 1.5-litre four-cylinder delivers 82kW and 141Nm. It's 135kg heavier than the Savvy, too, and offers a combined 6.6lt/100km from its five-speed manual and 7.0lt/100km in four-speed automatic form. The five-speed manual version of the entry-level Neo is $16,290, while the four-speed automatic is $18,140. A so-called Power Pack -- with power windows, body-colour mirrors and side protection mouldings -- is a $740 option. The worthwhile Power Pack Plus Safety option -- with ABS, EBD and EBA (electronic brake assist) plus side front airbags and curtain airbags front and rear -- adds $1890.

Toyota's Yaris five-door hatchback comes well equipped and starts at $16,190 with manual gearbox and $17,460 with four-speed auto. ABS, EBD and EBA are all standard equipment.

Like we said, hotly-contested!



ON THE ROAD
We can only tell you about the manual gearbox Savvy because there were no AM/Ts on the launch drive. First examples of the auto-manual were due in the country closer to the Savvy's April 3 launch.

Move out into the traffic, and you're in for your first surprise -- the Savvy feels reluctant to build speed. In fact, the engine feels as if it doesn't want to rev at all. You'd hope the engine would loosen-up with more kilometres under its belt. As is, we'd have to say that it felt decidedly sluggish, despite Proton's claims that the Savvy has one of the best power-to-weight ratios in its class.

The gearshift itself feels stiff at first, too, but the gate actually feels accurate and more satisfying than those in most small cars after you get the hang of it.

Head out onto a freeway, and the Savvy's reluctance to rev becomes even more apparent as its noise levels rise to a steady, obvious drone. It may be fuel efficient around 100km/h, but the Savvy doesn't sound happy at those speeds. Most drivers will find themselves reaching for the audio button... And the volume control.

Where the Savvy does shine, however, is when the going gets twisty and (surprise, surprise!) bumpy. Its ride and handling is well sorted, and even the relatively slow steering comes into its own. While it's no ball of fire between the corners -- especially in hilly conditions -- the Savvy feels sure-footed.

The Goodyear Eagle NCT 175/50 R15 tyres are well chosen, offering no-fuss grip and mercifully-quiet cornering in the tight stuff.

In short, the Savvy's definitely a city car that packs a surprise ride and handling punch. If only it had a free-revving, quieter engine to take advantage of its trump card ride and handling package.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Proton_Savvy__Review_5568065


At the other end of the scale is the Savvy's impressive ride and handling. Proton is quick to give their Lotus subsidiary all of the kudos. And why wouldn't you? The British icon has a solid reputation in chassis engineering. Compliant and controlled, the suspension soaks up bumps big and small, without upsetting the cars' composure. Its direct steering, while not feather light relays all the information you need. Yes the car is aimed at urban dwellers, but the grip and balance of the chassis make it an enjoyable drive along the twisty bits (some extra kilowatts would make it even better). Manufacturers of more expensive cars could learn a thing or two from the little Proton. Braking performance seemed up to the mark as well, a series of downhill bends not proving too tough. The standard ABS is a bonus at this price.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003090...030262,,00.html

The Savvy has precise steering and handles well, so it has the potential to cope with more power.


heck i can choose whatever i want to post..trust the biased bashers.

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try to drive up to 130km/h in a kelisa, kancil and kenari..heck a turbocharged kancil could go 180 kmh .. only a person with balls of steel would go beyond that speed in those cars. you can hold the steering with a hand well beyond 170 km/h in a savvy..some dumb posts in the thread do not deserve a reply.
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QUOTE(hypermount @ May 18 2006, 09:18 AM)
try to drive up to 130km/h in a kelisa, kancil and kenari..heck a turbocharged kancil could go 180 kmh .. only a person with balls of steel would go beyond that speed in those cars. you can hold the steering with a hand well beyond 170 km/h in a savvy..some dumb posts in the thread do not deserve a reply.
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I believe u making another dump post over here.

That because those cars are not designed to run above 120kmh and above. Only a person with balls of steel will risk his/her life driving 170kmh in the savvy, endangering not only the driver's life but the other road users as well.

I believe ur post does not make any sense as well, so are you encouraging all drivers to drive above the highway speed limit? Oh god doh.gif

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true true biggrin.gif driving beyond that speed for a savvy is really a...stupid idea whistling.gif not even the so called tough tortoise shell that score euro NCAP 3 can save even your puny balls if something went wrong biggrin.gif (put into simple words...hancur berkecai)

anyway savvy is meant for city driving. bout driving it on highway...no way man... sweat.gif

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I believe u making another dump post over here.

That because those cars are not designed to run above 120kmh and above.  Only a person with balls of steel will risk his/her life driving 170kmh in the savvy, endangering not only the driver's life but the other road users as well.

I believe ur post does not make any sense as well, so are you encouraging all drivers to drive above the highway speed limit? Oh god doh.gif
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I second that.. I doubt proton make car to target what market.. Savvy luanch then said it can go how fast.. target for racer?? doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(BuFung @ May 18 2006, 09:49 AM)
I second that..   I doubt proton make car to target what market..  Savvy luanch then said it can go how fast..  target for racer??  doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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thats y the way plotong advertise is to con those small kiddies only tongue.gif the use of comics, monsters, cartoons...WTH doh.gif advertise a slow tortoise as if it can outrace an F1 shakehead.gif i think even those pro street racer gonna laugh at how those ah beng fly their savvy biggrin.gif

anyway back to topic. i think savvy is nice if it is advertised in a more professional way like the myvi. no point showing how fast it can go n how thrilling it can be. what can people expect from a 1.2 engine? if for me basically i'll buy it n i'll drive it like a true tortoise tongue.gif

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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ May 18 2006, 09:35 AM)
I believe u making another dump post over here.

That because those cars are not designed to run above 120kmh and above.  Only a person with balls of steel will risk his/her life driving 170kmh in the savvy, endangering not only the driver's life but the other road users as well.

I believe ur post does not make any sense as well, so are you encouraging all drivers to drive above the highway speed limit? Oh god doh.gif
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lol you're making assumption..did i encourage people to go beyond the speed limit anywhere in my post? The point is stability at hight speed , Savvy is a great hiway cruiser like waja gen.2, at high speed you won't have that floating sensation like other cars., the steering and the car feels heavy..at 110 or 170 km/h it's ur choice... I think people is smart enogh 110kmh is the limit isnt it.. a big SIGH,
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proton's goal should be making an everyday car. just like ford mondeo in european. they did okay with saga, iswara and wira if you dont mind the quality. as far as sporty goes, in a proton, no thanks. well it's okay with GTi coz at least its properly shaped as a car, not a box.
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QUOTE(cfyung85 @ May 18 2006, 09:57 AM)
thats y the way plotong advertise is to con those small kiddies only tongue.gif the use of comics, monsters, cartoons...WTH doh.gif advertise a slow tortoise as if it can outrace an F1 shakehead.gif i think even those pro street racer gonna laugh at how those ah beng fly their savvy biggrin.gif

anyway back to topic. i think savvy is nice if it is advertised in a more professional way like the myvi. no point showing how fast it can go n how thrilling it can be. what can people expect from a 1.2 engine? if for me basically i'll buy it n i'll drive it like a true tortoise tongue.gif
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the engine is good, the car is a good performer, just compare it with the new naza cars and wit h 1.4 engine. savvy owned both, best in its class.. and thats why the they emphasize on it...... i agree the comic ad is disastrous..
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But you can't beat Japanese car reliability still, and that buys customers' heart.

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QUOTE(hypermount @ May 18 2006, 10:09 AM)
the engine is good, the car is a good performer, just compare it with the new naza cars and wit h 1.4 engine. savvy owned both, best in its class.. and thats why the they emphasize on it...... i agree the comic ad is disastrous..
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Savvy engine best of it's class? Try compare to the K3-VE or the 1NZ-FE then.

However i believe the K3-VE may be less powerful than the 1.2 engine from the savvy, but still it will has lesser problems and more durable and easier to maintain in our country.

As dstl1128 says, u cant beat Japanese's reliability, no matter who heartless or soulness that car will be.
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no need to debate. as long as his savvy can do 170km/h and the steering doesn't vibrate, none of the problem will be a problem for him.
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QUOTE(-=Axis=- @ May 18 2006, 01:34 PM)
no need to debate. as long as his savvy can do 170km/h and the steering doesn't vibrate, none of the problem will be a problem for him.
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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ May 18 2006, 01:19 PM)
Savvy engine best of it's class? Try compare to the K3-VE or the 1NZ-FE then.

However i believe the K3-VE may be less powerful than the 1.2 engine from the savvy, but still it will has lesser problems and more durable and easier to maintain in our country.

As dstl1128 says, u cant beat Japanese's reliability, no matter who heartless or soulness that car will be.
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u put 1NZ-FE later he said that is much higher CC la.. not fair.. perhaps a 2NE-FE? only 100cc higher.. comparable..
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QUOTE(BuFung @ May 18 2006, 03:23 PM)
u put 1NZ-FE later he said that is much higher CC la..  not fair..  perhaps a 2NE-FE?  only 100cc higher.. comparable..
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Getting an etra 10HP from that Renault unit shuldn't be too much of a problem. biggrin.gif
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I am just waiting for him to say savvy can beat a BMW in handling....
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QUOTE(kcng @ May 18 2006, 09:57 PM)
I am just waiting for him to say savvy can beat a BMW in handling....
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you know why malaysia so many people die in road accidents? locally made cars offer bad safety and handling. Do NOT try at savvy at 170 please. DO think about other road users.
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I just noticed something about the different reviews that are posted about the savvy

If there are other cars within the same price range (i.e a difference of a few hundred) the savvy always tend to get a bad review. UK reviews usually reflect this.

But if the price difference is big...say a few thousand...then the savvy tends to get a better review. Like the recent australia review.

Even the recent article about the savvy in the AutoCar magazine had conflicting reviews between the reviewers from Malaysia and the reviewers from UK. So the bottom line is, as long as there are better choices out there within the same price range, no one will bother looking at a proton.

Check out the actual car prices before taxes in Malaysia...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=290158

If this was the actual car prices in Malaysia....Proton will never be able to survive. Proton...buck up!!!! I have seen what good mechanics can do with the proton cars.

Now the whole main post was to get an honest opinion abou the savvy so this is my 2 cents after talking to a few mechanics

1. Nice handling
2. Good performance but only if it is well maintained. OOh and maintence for this car is higher as the renault engine does require extra tender care.


Sorry I went on too long biggrin.gif






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QUOTE(calcd @ May 18 2006, 11:35 PM)
I just noticed something about the different reviews that are posted about the savvy

If there are other cars within the same price range (i.e a difference of a few hundred) the savvy always tend to get a bad review. UK reviews usually reflect this.

But if the price difference is big...say a few thousand...then the savvy tends to get a better review. Like the recent australia review.

Even the recent article about the savvy in the AutoCar magazine had conflicting reviews between the reviewers from Malaysia and the reviewers from UK. So the bottom line is, as long as there are better choices out there within the same price range, no one will bother looking at a proton.

Check out the actual car prices before taxes in Malaysia...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=290158


If this was the actual car prices in Malaysia....Proton will never be able to survive. Proton...buck up!!!! I have seen what good mechanics can do with the proton cars.

Now the whole main post was to get an honest opinion abou the savvy so this is my 2 cents after talking to a few mechanics

1. Nice handling
2. Good performance but only if it is well maintained. OOh and maintence for this car is higher as the renault engine does require extra tender care.
Sorry I went on too long  biggrin.gif
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you can NEVER compare prices of cars without taxes....every country tax imported cars...try and check proton's price in UK...then you will know. It's just that whether the govt is taxing a higher or lower rate...
petrol price increase after NAP....you want cheaper cars petrol price x3 worth it?

honestly, the price list before tax is just a dream for us which we can never achieve... sad! sad.gif sad.gif


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QUOTE(chastise @ May 19 2006, 02:28 AM)
you can NEVER compare prices of cars without taxes....every country tax imported cars...try and check proton's price in UK...then you will know. It's just that whether the govt is taxing a higher or lower rate...
petrol price increase after NAP....you want cheaper cars  petrol price x3 worth it?

honestly, the price list before tax is just a dream for us which we can never achieve... sad!  sad.gif  sad.gif
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I think ur missing the point. The whole reason of comparing the original price of a car against another car is to determine its price to value ratio. Ignoring all other factors like import and excise duty, sales tax and so on, we can have a level playing ground in which to relatively judge all car's value.

Say for an example, you have a civic for 120k, and a waja for 60k. This is after tax. Let's say you take away all taxes and both cars arrive at a pretty similar pre-tax price, like 50k. Now, compare the features, build, quality and everything about both cars. The civic has I-vtec DOHC, the waja has I-have-nothing-not-even-DOHC SOHC. The civic has EL meter panel, the waja has normal meter panel. THe civic has lush interior with padded panels and good fabric, the waja has hard plastic. The civic has.... yada yada. Now at the same cost, the civic features far more features than waja.

You can argue that Honda has a much higher volume to offset the cost, but the fact is, Proton's stubborn insistence on producing sub-quality cars without addressing the issues that the rakyat care most about and even refusing to partner with other larger companies to increase their economy of scale, has eventually brought Proton to this realistic doom.

So from here its clear to see that the only way proton can compete is to put taxes on foreign competitors. However, this only guareenties Proton's survival in the local market. Being successful in the local market does nothing to improve the country's economy. It must export cars in order to truly help our economy, and when exported, again the price to value ratio comes to play. So who will buy a waja over a civic if they were to be priced similarly in say, US?

The whole protection thingy is a two edged sword. While it gives a good stepping stone for local companies, it breeds complacency, especially when applied to Malaysia where most of the rakyat are lazy and hedonistic in nature.
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Proton is successfull in the local market ?

If u look at its citizen being forced to buy them, then yeah they are very successful...
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the waja has I-have-nothing-not-even-DOHC SOHC.

I think the Waja Campro is DOHC (DOHC that appeared in 1980s that is).
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QUOTE(soggie @ May 19 2006, 03:47 AM)
I think ur missing the point. The whole reason of comparing the original price of a car against another car is to determine its price to value ratio. Ignoring all other factors like import and excise duty, sales tax and so on, we can have a level playing ground in which to relatively judge all car's value.

Say for an example, you have a civic for 120k, and a waja for 60k. This is after tax. Let's say you take away all taxes and both cars arrive at a pretty similar pre-tax price, like 50k. Now, compare the features, build, quality and everything about both cars. The civic has I-vtec DOHC, the waja has I-have-nothing-not-even-DOHC SOHC. The civic has EL meter panel, the waja has normal meter panel. THe civic has lush interior with padded panels and good fabric, the waja has hard plastic. The civic has.... yada yada. Now at the same cost, the civic features far more features than waja.

You can argue that Honda has a much higher volume to offset the cost, but the fact is, Proton's stubborn insistence on producing sub-quality cars without addressing the issues that the rakyat care most about and even refusing to partner with other larger companies to increase their economy of scale, has eventually brought Proton to this realistic doom.

So from here its clear to see that the only way proton can compete is to put taxes on foreign competitors. However, this only guareenties Proton's survival in the local market. Being successful in the local market does nothing to improve the country's economy. It must export cars in order to truly help our economy, and when exported, again the price to value ratio comes to play. So who will buy a waja over a civic if they were to be priced similarly in say, US?

The whole protection thingy is a two edged sword. While it gives a good stepping stone for local companies, it breeds complacency, especially when applied to Malaysia where most of the rakyat are lazy and hedonistic in nature.
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QUOTE(kcng @ May 19 2006, 09:08 AM)
Proton is successfull in the local market ?

If u look at its citizen being forced to buy them, then yeah they are very successful...
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Exactly. Without government protection, there goes their "success".
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QUOTE(soggie @ May 19 2006, 03:47 AM)
I think ur missing the point. The whole reason of comparing the original price of a car against another car is to determine its price to value ratio. Ignoring all other factors like import and excise duty, sales tax and so on, we can have a level playing ground in which to relatively judge all car's value.

Say for an example, you have a civic for 120k, and a waja for 60k. This is after tax. Let's say you take away all taxes and both cars arrive at a pretty similar pre-tax price, like 50k. Now, compare the features, build, quality and everything about both cars. The civic has I-vtec DOHC, the waja has I-have-nothing-not-even-DOHC SOHC. The civic has EL meter panel, the waja has normal meter panel. THe civic has lush interior with padded panels and good fabric, the waja has hard plastic. The civic has.... yada yada. Now at the same cost, the civic features far more features than waja.

You can argue that Honda has a much higher volume to offset the cost, but the fact is, Proton's stubborn insistence on producing sub-quality cars without addressing the issues that the rakyat care most about and even refusing to partner with other larger companies to increase their economy of scale, has eventually brought Proton to this realistic doom.

So from here its clear to see that the only way proton can compete is to put taxes on foreign competitors. However, this only guareenties Proton's survival in the local market. Being successful in the local market does nothing to improve the country's economy. It must export cars in order to truly help our economy, and when exported, again the price to value ratio comes to play. So who will buy a waja over a civic if they were to be priced similarly in say, US?

The whole protection thingy is a two edged sword. While it gives a good stepping stone for local companies, it breeds complacency, especially when applied to Malaysia where most of the rakyat are lazy and hedonistic in nature.
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Soggie, you've really made a point here. Proton can do better than now, but the nature of Malaysians......... icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(johntxy @ May 18 2006, 10:34 PM)
you know why malaysia so many people die in road accidents? locally made cars offer bad safety and handling.  Do NOT try at savvy at 170 please. DO think about other road users.
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This quote is too rough, might cause flame from Savvy owner dude. and savvy is not as bad as u think.
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QUOTE(johntxy @ May 18 2006, 10:34 PM)
you know why malaysia so many people die in road accidents? locally made cars offer bad safety and handling.  Do NOT try at savvy at 170 please. DO think about other road users.
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this remind me of a mail that i received where a horror accident happen in plus highway on the way to ipoh where a young driver crash his kancil to a bus and kill 2 girls inside...1 of girls suuffer face trauma which her face totally tear off(the photo might inside kopitiam)....and that is without airbag....

not to say airbag can save the girl if kancil has airbag, but without airbag, i can save chances to survive in that high speed crashing is 0%...

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i think everyone should go for defensive driving courses... really good...
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It helps too if your car has safety features.
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QUOTE(Ken @ May 19 2006, 01:42 PM)
this remind me of a mail that i received where a horror accident happen in plus highway on the way to ipoh where a young driver crash his kancil to a bus and kill 2 girls inside...1 of girls suuffer face trauma which her face totally tear off(the photo might inside kopitiam)....and that is without airbag....

not to say airbag can save the girl if kancil has airbag, but without airbag, i can save chances to survive in that high speed crashing is 0%...
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The driver survived...look carefully at the pictures, we can't really tell if the driver was speeding or not..maybe's he's asleep and unknowingly swerved into emergency lane.. look at the extend of the injuries, even with airbags the girl will still die, cos the roof pillars collapsed winscreen killed the girls on the spot..

A soft car with airbags would not save your life, active safety features like hard shell monocoque chassis and good handling still matter most.

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QUOTE(hypermount @ May 19 2006, 01:54 PM)
A soft car with airbags would not save your life, active safety features like hard shell monocoque chassis and good handling still matter most.
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Airbag is designed to cushion the blow from the car during an accident. It reduces the impact to vital organs, including head, neck, and chest. You claim it will not save lives? that's utterly bullshlt.

Hard shell would help but without airbags to cushion the blow away from drivers, it is useless.

Good handling is out of the question unless you are talking about accident prevention. Can handling help during an accident? No, please, god gives us brain then use it.

This shows how biased and pathetic you are to promote your Protong Savvy in the forum. How much Protong pay you uh? People buy Protong bcoz they have no choice, not because of the shlthole handling by Lotus. The govt protected Protong with taxes and duties is a good way to show Protong cars are inferior in quality than imports. Why brag about it, whereby the fact it is cheap and nasty on the inside.

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Handling is an active safety features.. sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif who defind one?? can tell more about it.. sweat.gif sweat.gif


beside, savvy is a direct rival to Yaris,Fitz,Swift in Euro?? I wonder who want to buy.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(hypermount @ May 19 2006, 01:54 PM)
A soft car with airbags would not save your life, active safety features like hard shell monocoque chassis and good handling still matter most.
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man - your posts were great so far ..........till this one.

nowadays, cars are made to crumble upon impact to absorb the impact.

and it's not just the shell, but the overall structure of the car as well.

good handling? now how often do we come by an accident that could be saved by good handling? and i can't remember good handling being regarded as a safety feature either......
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I dont call recall good handling car saves lives. It is good defensive driving skills that saves lives. sweat.gif

An hard body might be good thing but i wonder when an accident occured and if the hard body did not absorb the damage, will the driver and the passenger absorbs the damage? sweat.gif

That is why nowdays cars are designed with softer front soo it can absorb the damage and minimize the impact towards driver and passenger during an impact.

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dude.. wow thinking im stupid enough not knowing what is a crumple zone....a car when it's too soft it will kill its passengers in the event of an accident when engine is pushed through the firewall, airbags wil not save you.

What I mean tough chassis is - the cabin integrity is still intact if there's accident..the wrecked blue savvy is a fine example, people dismissed it as too soft but when looking at the pictures,the crumple zone works well, from inside and the cabin everything is still intact. i bet the driver walkwd away from the wreck alive.

Steering, braking, cornering, shifting, accelerating

[quote]I dont call recall good handling car saves lives. It is good defensive driving skills that saves lives.
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Maybe the feature is a wong word, defensive driving skill is part of active safety. Emergency braking, knowing what's happening infront of you first beofre making split second driving decisions is an active safety People tend to associate active safety features with electronic assistance lke EBD,ABS etc. Tough chassis, and good handling is part of active safety features also. Sharp handling wil enable inexpereinced drivers to counter excessive steers whne avoiding a road hazard. Savvy's good suspension ensures wheels are more likely to be in contact with the road surface and maintaining traction and contact all the time for greater control in steering, accelerting and braking.

Read more about handling and active safety.

of course if savvy got airbag it would be better

soft cars + airbags = ?
hard cars + w/o airbags = still better than above
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The next thing u are gonna tell me Savvy gonna own a Volvo ?
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So, Savvy have these keywords associated for safety:
1. Godly handling
2. Godly suspension
3. Godly tough chasis

Compare to the safety keywords other (eg Vios) cars have:
1. ABS
2. EBD
3. SRS (Dual) Air-bags.
4. Retention seat belts
5. Crumple zone
6. GOA


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[quote=hypermount,May 19 2006, 06:49 PM]
dude.. wow thinking im stupid enough not knowing what is a crumple zone....a car when it's too soft it will kill its passengers in the event of an accident when engine is pushed through the firewall, airbags wil not save you.

What I mean tough chassis is - the cabin integrity is still intact if there's accident..the wrecked blue savvy is a fine example, people dismissed it as too soft but when looking at the pictures,the crumple zone works well, from inside and the cabin everything is still intact. i bet the driver walkwd away from the wreck alive.

Steering, braking, cornering, shifting, accelerating

[quote]I dont call recall good handling car saves lives. It is good defensive driving skills that saves lives.
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Maybe the feature is a wong word, defensive driving skill is part of active safety. Emergency braking, knowing what's happening infront of you first beofre making split second driving decisions is an active safety People tend to associate active safety features with electronic assistance lke EBD,ABS etc. Tough chassis, and good handling is part of active safety features also. Sharp handling wil enable inexpereinced drivers to counter excessive steers whne avoiding a road hazard. Savvy's good suspension ensures wheels are more likely to be in contact with the road surface and maintaining traction and contact all the time for greater control in steering, accelerting and braking.

Read more about handling and active safety.

of course if savvy got airbag it would be better

soft cars + airbags = ?
hard cars + w/o airbags = still better than above
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proton assume this car can achieve 3 stars safety rating in NCAP crash test, tat's the same region as a picanto and decades old atos, 3 stars is still damn poor results judging more and more cars getting full 5 stars rating and NCAP have to add another benchmark of 6 stars to higher the standard.

proton say it all but never been to standardize testing, so it's only mouth,no action, expect us gonna take tat?

you whole day long shouting the same words "say" by proton, balik balik tough la,handling la....blue savvy crash case la...boring,y can't say something we dunno....the fact is accident have so many variable,can be heavy accident causing light damage and vice versa, only a standard testing would tell us the WHOLE story, understand?

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I tell you...
he will say savvy will own a BMW or Volvo in handling and body toughness...

U just wait for more proton problem post to pile up here first...
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I will believe what hypermount says about savvy's high class safety if the NCAP scores for the savvy is 5 stars. sweat.gif


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Actually hypermount has a point. A car with a tough chassis with correct crumple zones along with safety features is a safer car any day than a softer car with all the above mentioned. However, about Savvy, the tough chassis is only a marketing term. How do we know how tough the Savvy is? Please understand that tough chassis for handling and tough chassis for safety is two very different thing - one is to hold the car together and prevent the least twsiting in the metals when cornering at speeds, keeping a level ride, while the other is having a tough, unyielding passenger cabin with soft front and/or rear that crumples in a way that does not kill the passenger. They are two differen areas of focus, and tested differently.

The rigidity of the chassis for handling is tested on the tracks, while the safety toughness of the chassis is tested in the crash room. So far, Savvy has not won any NCAP stars yet, no testimony to its supposed safety toughness in any official tests.

So until that happens, Savvy is still an unproven car.
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QUOTE(hypermount @ May 19 2006, 05:49 PM)
dude.. wow thinking im stupid enough not knowing what is a crumple zone....a car when it's too soft it will kill its passengers in the event of an accident when engine is pushed through the firewall, airbags wil not save you.

What I mean tough chassis is - the cabin integrity is still intact if there's accident..the wrecked blue savvy is a fine example, people dismissed it as too soft but when looking at the pictures,the crumple zone works well, from inside and the cabin everything is still intact. i bet the driver walkwd away from the wreck alive.

Steering, braking, cornering, shifting, accelerating
Wow, you sound like you are comparing Savvy to a VERY old car. Fyi, those old cars aint equip with airbags you know. Your airbags-will-not-save-you argument is rather weak imo, if you trying to pull off a stunt here. rolleyes.gif Airbags ARE pretty much safety standard among all other car manufacturers in the world, with exception with Protong of course. rolleyes.gif

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Maybe the feature is a wong word, defensive driving skill is part of active safety. Emergency braking, knowing what's happening infront of you first beofre making split second driving decisions is an active safety People tend to associate active safety features with electronic assistance lke  EBD,ABS etc. Tough chassis, and good handling is part of active safety features also. Sharp handling wil enable inexpereinced drivers to counter excessive steers whne avoiding a road hazard. Savvy's good suspension ensures wheels are more likely to be in contact with the road surface and maintaining traction and contact all the time for greater control in steering, accelerting and braking.

Read more about handling and active safety.

of course if savvy got airbag it would be better

soft cars + airbags = ?
hard cars + w/o airbags = still better than above
You still dont get it,dont you. You were mentioning about prevention there. That's before an accident occur, while we are all here discussing about 2.

1. Before an accident
2. During an accident
3. After an accident

Now tell me, how does the "superior handling" helps during an accident? since you mention good handling matters the most. rolleyes.gif
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A soft car with airbags would not save your life, active safety features like hard shell monocoque chassis and good handling still matter most.

And you mind to tell me which car in Malaysia offers airbag but with weak chasis. The way I see it, cars being imported here are fully equipped with airbags with acceptable level rigidity. None of them are "soft cars" as you claimed. Or you are really comparing Savvy to a VERY old car. Which is a bullshlt rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(soggie @ May 19 2006, 11:13 PM)
Actually hypermount has a point. A car with a tough chassis with correct crumple zones along with safety features is a safer car any day than a softer car with all the above mentioned.
Define soft car. How soft is soft and how tough is tough? soft car with airbags? He did not mention about the car specification, speed, situation and road condition yet I m suprised you agree with him even without proper example. rolleyes.gif
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Actually, I think hypermount's got something wrong. Good handling and a tough chassis is NOT what active safety features mean.

Active Safety Features are features that prevents you from getting into an accident, which includes distance sensors on certain cruise controls, proximity sensors while driving, active suspensions, traction control, ABS, EBD, and the mercedes's brake force assist. Such features actively participate in helping the car avoid or reduce the possibility of accidents. Note that good handling is NOT considered a safety feature, nor is driver's skill a consideration when it comes to safety features.

Passive Safety Features are features that saves the driver's life when the car gets into an accident. Things like crumple zones, tough cabin chassis, airbags, collapsible steering mount, pretensioning seat belts, active headrests and so on activates upon collision, thus they are termed passive safety features.

Actually I think a better term to categorize safety equipments should be pre-peril safety features and post-peril safety features. This way the distinction is more clear.
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QUOTE(nexona @ May 20 2006, 12:08 AM)
Define soft car. How soft is soft and how tough is tough? soft car with airbags? He did not mention about the car specification, speed, situation and road condition yet I m suprised you agree with him even without proper example. rolleyes.gif
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Soft car as in cars that do not fare well in crash tests, like the Waja's cabin crumpling upon impact. And I believe I said he is right to an extend, then provided additional information on why he is wrong on his claims. Please read my post again properly.

And actually, he is right about crumple zones. The savvy in the picture featured showed that its crumple zones worked. The main thing that we should check in an accident to determine a car's safety prowess is to check the cabin itself, not the front or the rear. If the cabin's shape is compromised, or the firewall dented, then that's a proof that the car does not have an acceptably safe chassis design.

HOWEVER, this is where my agreement ends. Newer cars nowadays are often sent through crash tests to test the safety of a vehicle, and up until now Savvy has not shown any test results that proves its tough chassis is also capable of handling an accident situation. So this is where I disagree that Savvy's marketed tough body chassis should be associated with extra safety.

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it suprises me that these features are getting mentioned within a savvy thread. let's face it, we stuck with proton for one and only one reason, cheap (ignoring the fact that with same money we can get a well built car from oversea, without tax). well it's okay if you cannot afford a better car, i, myself driving a proton as well. ignoring the flaw it has and arrogantly claimed that proton is rather superior (in any way) than a foreign car just plainly unacceptable. sounds like you can afford a better car but you prefer proton instead becasue it can do 170km/h, lotus suspension and etc. thats just painfully.. painfully stupid.

frustrated proton owners, here is american ideal of dealing with sh1tbox, shall we follow? tongue.gif


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Well correction my friend. Its not that we buy proton because it is cheap, but because we have no f.ucking choice.
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Soft car as in cars that do not fare well in crash tests, like the Waja's cabin crumpling upon impact. And I believe I said he is right to an extend, then provided additional information on why he is wrong on his claims. Please read my post again properly.
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First of all, there's absolutely no point to use the term "soft cars". There is a standard measurement on overall structure rigidity of a car, use that measurement instead.

Second, every car has crumple zones on its own. The main point is always concentrated on the safety of the driver. Airbag acts as intermediary between the driver/passenger and the cabin. I quoted your post because you agree with his baseless statement.

"A car with a tough chassis with correct crumple zones along with safety features is a safer car any day than a softer car with all the above mentioned. "

End of story.

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My friend, the term "soft car" is a relative comparison which I have already stated not once, but twice, that might or might not have to do with the final safety ratings given to a car in the event of a collision. And when I made taht statement you quoted in bold, my term "soft" refers to the general toughness of the entire chassis, in which a softer chassis will result in a compromised cabin regardless of any safety features that are employed upon the vehicle.

True, there are no standard measurement, but there is relative comparison. This is what the NCAP is about.

Secondly, its true that airbags act as intermediary, but in the event of a cabin compromise, air bags do not save lives. For your information, EVERY single car that is submitted to the Euro NCAP comes equipped with full airbags, yet some cars score below the three star mark too, with indications of serious injuuries to the driver and passenger. Therefore, a strengtened chassis is imperative for airbags to work properly.

Thirdly, I did not say I agree with him, I merely say his post is correct to a certain extend, and needs better detail because what he said is too generalized and can be either absolutely wrong or right depending on what he is referring to.

Finally, I'm not siding him, but rather, pointing out facts that everybody might have missed in their excitement to bash Proton without getting their facts right first.
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Price Range : RM 43-45k
Max Speed for 1.2L : 170 km/h (fastest car in its range)
Colors Available : Blue, Red. Black
No ABS and Air bag
100% Manufactured by Proton
Designed and Developed by Proton R&D, Lotus, LG Consultant, & Renault
Tested Proven Around the World: Sweden, Japan, australia, UK etc..
Crash Test : High 3-Sar Euro NCAP Testing (note the word "High")
Bending Strength : 17,000 Newton/m
Torsion Strength : 14,400 Newton/m


There is a measurement for it. If you dont know,it doesnt mean it does not exist. (Read the technical papers, if you want to pull out anything) Again, I standby on my statement that "soft car" is too general to put into argument therefore it is pointless to acknowledge his statement .

Second, you jump into conclusion by saying airbag will not save lives if the cabin has been compromised. What will save lives if not airbag? rolleyes.gif You contradicted yourself by saying "airbag does not save lives" yet " a strengtened chassis is imperative for airbags to work properly". Work properly? for what, if not for life saving? to cushion the blow away from drivers/passengers. Perhaps you would want to crash test a car with a proper dummy without airbag. How about that? rolleyes.gif

Third, of course,I wouldnt need to find the word "agree" on your post to know that you acknowledged his statement. Fine,I ll pull out a dictionary for you. rolleyes.gif

a·gree Audio pronunciation of "agree" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-gr)
v. a·greed, a·gree·ing, a·grees
v. intr.

3. To come to an understanding or to terms:
4. To be compatible or consistent; correspond:
5. To be suitable, appropriate, pleasing, or healthful:

Finally, I bash whoever I want, whenever I want, anti-Proton or pro-Proton.
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Dude, no need to get hostile here. I believe you have completely misunderstood my point.

About the airbags, please read properly. I said, when the cabin is compromised, the airbags does not save lives. How does that contradict my statement that a tough chassis is imperative for airbags to function properly? I believe it is you who needs to read properly:

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...but in the event of a cabin compromise, air bags do not save lives..

...a strengtened chassis is imperative for airbags to work properly...
So how does this contradicts myself? Please my friend, read properly before jumping into conclusions.

Now for the Savvy part, I appreciate that you took the time to show the strength of the chassis as well as the crash test rating, but seriously I do not see 3 star as a good indication for a "car that is safe". Therefore your data only reinforces my suspicion that even with all teh "strengthened chassis" hoo-haa with the Savvy, fact remains that its strengthened chassis does nothing to improve its passenger's survivability in an event of a collision.

For the soft car part, I believe I have made my point for the third time, on my definition of what I meant when I mention the word "soft". If you still do not get it, then I do not think I need to reiterate my points if you're hitting the wrong place for the wrong reasons.

Finally, nobody cares if you bash whoever you want. But you'll bring humiliation to yourself if you bash for the wrong reason without the correct backings. And also, my last statement was not directed to you. So if you take any offense from it, well...
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lol, another Joke of Day?

Strengthened chassis AND airbags ARE PART of Passive Safety Features. Why the hell you put airbags does not save lives if cabin has been compromised? my friend, do you understand that airbag reduces impact too? Airbag is a part of passive safely feature.. yo,wake up. rolleyes.gif Crash tests are compared, torsion strength and bending strength are calculated to determine the strength of a car, which is vital for LIFE SAVING. No?

For the Savvy part, I didnt focus on NCAP crash test instead of bending, torsion strength. The measurement remember? you said it does not exist right? in which you are totally wrong. (Did I not bold the text?) According to NCAP's website, Savvy has not been in an official crash test by the European automobile safety organization.

The soft part, again. Re-read my post again. It is pointless to compare Savvy to a "soft car" (lol,what a stupid term) with no specification/measurement whatsover and other factors into consideration. You are the one jumping into conclusion by agreeing with his baseless post.
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soft cars + airbags = ?
hard cars + w/o airbags = still better than above


Finally the bashing part, helloo.. we are on the Internet. and this is just text. Will text brings humiliation? talking about correct backings, I dont think you got one except for the active and passive safety features you pull out from the Internet and other than that,they are just pure gibberish. gosh,I didnt put my reputation on the line, unlike you for sure.
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Aiya, you guys are arguing for what?
Conclusion is, safe car = hard shell, good crumple zone, stiff survival cell, airbags(a good distance from your face), ABS, EBD, good road holding.
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QUOTE(nexona @ May 20 2006, 01:22 PM)
lol, another Joke of Day?

Strengthened chassis AND airbags ARE PART of Passive Safety Features. Why the hell you put airbags does not save lives if cabin has been compromised? my friend, do you understand that airbag reduces impact too? Airbag is a part of passive safely feature.. yo,wake up. rolleyes.gif Crash tests are compared, torsion strength and bending strength are calculated to determine the strength of a car, which is vital for LIFE SAVING. No?

For the Savvy part, I didnt focus on NCAP crash test instead of bending, torsion strength. The measurement remember? you said it does not exist right? in which you are totally wrong. (Did I not bold the text?) According to NCAP's website, Savvy has not been in an official crash test by the European automobile safety organization.

The soft part, again. Re-read my post again. It is pointless to compare Savvy to a "soft car" (lol,what a stupid term) with no specification/measurement whatsover and other factors into consideration. You are the one jumping into conclusion by agreeing with his baseless post.
Finally the bashing part, helloo.. we are on the Internet. and this is just text. Will text brings humiliation? talking about correct backings, I dont think you got one except for the active and passive safety features you pull out from the Internet and other than that,they are just pure gibberish. gosh,I didnt put my reputation on the line, unlike you for sure.
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Dear fellow LYN member, I did mention that airbags and a tough chassis is part of passive safety features. Read back, there's a post there that says it. And, do you know what does it mean when a cabin is compromised? Have you ever read a crash test report before? Please do go and read a 1 star car's report, one that has airbag but the airbag does nothing to save the life of the driver. A cabin compromise means the cabin itself collapses, and tell me, how can an air bag possibly save your life when there are metal bars protruding into your body? Or, the steering column comes at your face, instead of staying put, slamming your face into the airbags, and then into the steering column, and then onto hard plastic and metal. How will you survive then? Airbags reduces the impact speed, but in the event that the chassis gives way, the airbag won't do any good. Is that so damn hard for you to understand? You can have a thousand airbag in the car as you wish, and you wont walk away from the car alive when the car is flattened from the impact.

And you said chassis strength is calculated to determine the car's safety too. Did you notice that I have already said that in my earlier posts? If a car has a soft chassis, will it do any good to help the car in the event of a crash? Again, if you have read any crash test reports, the majority of the discussion is placed upon the design of the chassis itself, and how the cabin is uncompromised after the event of a crash, leading to good results. So how does this contradicts my statement that in the event of a car's cabin is compromised, airbags do not saves lives? For your information no car that is submitted to the NCAP comes without airbags. And still there are cars that got 1 star ratings. How about this - you go be their test dummy, and sit in a 1 star car. Perhaps airbags will save your life then?

And yes, the MEASUREMENT for a car's safety. Dude, do you know that torsional strength is not the ONLY criteria for cabin strength? Do you know that different designs yield different behaviours during a crash? That is why I said there is no quantitative method of measuring the safety of a car. If there is such method, why do we actually need a crash test? This is ridiculous.

So far I've been civilized towards you, and your last 2 posts are extremely offensive. Have maturity been lost in the people of lowyat that we cannot discuss a matter civilly?

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And finally, to address the original message that sparked this debate, I would like to show it in simple english for those who are so clouded by emotion to actually read more complex sentences.

WHat I agree with hypermount
A tough chassis along with safety features will fare better than a weak chassis with safety features.

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Actually hypermount has a point. A car with a tough chassis with correct crumple zones along with safety features is a safer car any day than a softer car with all the above mentioned.


What I DO NOT agree
Savvy's "tough" chassis makes it a safe car in the event of collision

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However, about Savvy, the tough chassis is only a marketing term. How do we know how tough the Savvy is?

So far, Savvy has not won any NCAP stars yet, no testimony to its supposed safety toughness in any official tests. So until that happens, Savvy is still an unproven car.
Then you came at me with:

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Define soft car. How soft is soft and how tough is tough? soft car with airbags? He did not mention about the car specification, speed, situation and road condition yet I m suprised you agree with him even without proper example.


Now here's your first MISTAKE. I did NOT agree with him on what you claim. Rather, I agree to that statement that he made, in a general term, with crash test reports as my base of knowledge. I made a reply:

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Soft car as in cars that do not fare well in crash tests, like the Waja's cabin crumpling upon impact.


I then said that he is right on crumple zones on his CLAIM that the cabin of the Savvy was uncompromised after that, and explained how to examine the true strength of a car in the event of an accident. I guess you missed this paragraph:

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HOWEVER, this is where my agreement ends. Newer cars nowadays are often sent through crash tests to test the safety of a vehicle, and up until now Savvy has not shown any test results that proves its tough chassis is also capable of handling an accident situation. So this is where I disagree that Savvy's marketed tough body chassis should be associated with extra safety.


And then you said:

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First of all, there's absolutely no point to use the term "soft cars"


And I explained that the reason I used the term soft car is to refer to the cabin's weakness in the event of the crash to retain their shape and integrity. Now on to your second point:

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The main point is always concentrated on the safety of the driver. Airbag acts as intermediary between the driver/passenger and the cabin. I quoted your post because you agree with his baseless statement.


Of course the main point is always concentrated on the safety of teh driver. Please do quote me when did I say tha
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My stance in this "debate" is that I do not think that Savvy has enough credibility and evidence to show that its claimed "tough" chassis makes it a safe car, regardless of any other safety feature that it markets to have.

Now to make it easy for you, just tell me if you agree to this statement or not. If you agree, then there's no point for us to continue this debate. If not, then state why, and we'll continue.

And oh, please keep this matured and civil.

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QUOTE(nexona @ May 20 2006, 01:22 PM)
lol, another Joke of Day?

Strengthened chassis AND airbags ARE PART of Passive Safety Features. Why the hell you put airbags does not save lives if cabin has been compromised? my friend, do you understand that airbag reduces impact too? Airbag is a part of passive safely feature.. yo,wake up. rolleyes.gif Crash tests are compared, torsion strength and bending strength are calculated to determine the strength of a car, which is vital for LIFE SAVING. No?

For the Savvy part, I didnt focus on NCAP crash test instead of bending, torsion strength. The measurement remember? you said it does not exist right? in which you are totally wrong. (Did I not bold the text?) According to NCAP's website, Savvy has not been in an official crash test by the European automobile safety organization.

The soft part, again. Re-read my post again. It is pointless to compare Savvy to a "soft car" (lol,what a stupid term) with no specification/measurement whatsover and other factors into consideration. You are the one jumping into conclusion by agreeing with his baseless post.
Finally the bashing part, helloo.. we are on the Internet. and this is just text. Will text brings humiliation? talking about correct backings, I dont think you got one except for the active and passive safety features you pull out from the Internet and other than that,they are just pure gibberish. gosh,I didnt put my reputation on the line, unlike you for sure.
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would you buy a savvy if it looked like this (edited version) :

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aesthetic wise, savvy side profile is it weakest point IMO.

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No, the edited one is too short.
I mean the wheelbase. I like the short overhangs. But the wheelbase is too short.
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hehe, agreed. From engineering pov it might be nightmare i guess. Its a Photoshop chop anyway biggrin.gif
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What if you push the wheels further to each corner?
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What if you push the wheels further to each corner?
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long wheel base. it will became a hot-hatch like a Golf GTI. also means more weight and more power needed. eventually, satria's rival. i don't think that's gonna happen.
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Only for looks' sake. laugh.gif
Not for performance. Pushing the wheels to the corners would make the ride more pleasent. But a more powerful engine would be needed.
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it needs better suspension, better brakes too. if they stretch it without upgrading any other parts, that'll be a nightmare sweat.gif
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sloppy edit.

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How about you try to edit and make the roof lower.... see how it come out
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compared with my reference

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206 and Myvi hybrid. laugh.gif
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Arton Savee : rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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hahahah. Enjoy.
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QUOTE(anuarnor @ Jun 4 2006, 03:38 PM)
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the proton looks like a 20 years old car in this pic. cool.gif
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WHy?
Because of the colour quality and fuzziness?
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Because of the colour quality and fuzziness?
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This is becoming like that old "How Savvy should look like" thread. laugh.gif
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as long as the car is savvy, still not going off topic. laugh.gif
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IMO savvy has the most beautiful front. Especially at nignt, with the lamp on. Most agressive.

Btw the c1 pic was probably taken in controlled environment, with lighting setup etc. And the savvy pic quality was much lower. I scaled it up.

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Especially if it had Xenon. laugh.gif
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the savvy front actually is not bad at all. but the rear is so screwed up. i like the sholder lines too.
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now they are giving the r3 kit for all new savvy.....while stock last sommore....
too early to judge a savvy...
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last one, pmw.

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last one, pmw.

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i dont car how it peform, but the first thing i know is..


SAWI IS F@RKING UGLY! shakehead.gif shakehead.gif shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
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Proton Savvy, a curious beast indeed.

For me, savvy is a step forward for proton. It has good handling and suspension, better plastic finishing(it's kinda hard though), quite high top speed and stronger body and chassis. This is also the first compact city car that Proton ever produce.

However, marketing wise Savvy is not a good move by Proton. The only reason to get a compact car such as Savvy is to drive short distances,normally in the city. However, their strength does not match their purpose. It's known weaknesses are slow build in speed (no accellaration), gear shift is a hassle, the engine is loud and fuel comsumption is so-so only compared to the competitors.

I dubbed the Savvy as curious because although it is supposed to be a compact city car, it has no strength whatsoever there. You would have to make lots of gear shift, accelleration and have to be economical to make it at the compact car segment. On the other hand, at open roads is where savvy thrives. It is steady even at high speeds, can negotiate corners very well and can handle the bumps and pothholes on the road.

Let's just hope that Proton keep all the high notes on savvy and improve their weaknesses (especially the high rev needed to power the Campro) in SRM24 a.k.a 'Neo' as their current strengths fits the bill very well in that segment of the car market.

p/s: Most UK and Aussie reviews praise the handling of the Savvy, however I found one UK review that complains that the Savvy is "too responsive to every turn i make". This just goes to show that you can never please everyone. It really comes down to personel preference.

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The savvy is slow to build speed? in what sence? I've floored the savvy and reaching over 100km/h in less than 25-ish seconds everytime without fail. ofcourse, i was drag racing with that car on the highway, so gearshift is at above 4k rpm.
As for city driving wise, it's quite manageable since it's small and very responsive. however, the stiff clutch and gear stick may be a turn off for smaller, weaker-at-the-upper-body people and sometimes can be a nightmare during jams.
The only complaint is i cannot force this car to slide on dry road. >.<

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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jun 7 2006, 01:15 PM)
The savvy is slow to build speed? in what sence? I've floored the savvy and reaching over 100km/h in less than 25-ish seconds everytime without fail. ofcourse, i was drag racing with that car on the highway, so gearshift is at above 4k rpm.
As for city driving wise, it's quite manageable since it's small and very responsive. however, the stiff clutch and gear stick may be a turn off for smaller, weaker-at-the-upper-body people and sometimes can be a nightmare during jams.
The only complaint is i cannot force this car to slide on dry road. >.<
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You just demonstrated my point. It has power, but you really need to hit the pedal. Sebsequently when you hit the pedal like that the noise level would be high, which is not the ideal thing for city driving with all the noise pollution.
Again, however, it depends on the persons preference. Some people enjoy having to hit the pedal hard and the roar of the engine. Feels more macho. Some people whats a quite ride.
True! The gear is a nightmare during jams. Maybe you can solve this by buying the AMT version.Cost more money though sad.gif
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i dont car how it peform, but the first thing i know is..
SAWI IS F@RKING UGLY!  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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some ppl need to learn how to shut up shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jun 7 2006, 01:15 PM)
The savvy is slow to build speed? in what sence? I've floored the savvy and reaching over 100km/h in less than 25-ish seconds everytime without fail. ofcourse, i was drag racing with that car on the highway, so gearshift is at above 4k rpm.
As for city driving wise, it's quite manageable since it's small and very responsive. however, the stiff clutch and gear stick may be a turn off for smaller, weaker-at-the-upper-body people and sometimes can be a nightmare during jams.
The only complaint is i cannot force this car to slide on dry road. >.<
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huh? slide as in drift on dry road? explain more plz
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QUOTE(Pro-MX @ Jun 7 2006, 02:17 PM)
some ppl need to learn how to shut up  shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(khizer982 @ Jun 7 2006, 01:59 PM)
You just demonstrated my point. It has power, but you really need to hit the pedal. Sebsequently when you hit the pedal like that the noise level would be high, which is not the ideal thing for city driving with all the noise pollution.
Again, however, it depends on the persons preference. Some people enjoy having to hit the pedal hard and the roar of the engine. Feels more macho. Some people whats a quite ride.
True! The gear is a nightmare during jams. Maybe you can solve this by buying the AMT version.Cost more money though sad.gif
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i finally got your point there. biggrin.gif at first i was thinking of something else laugh.gif

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huh? slide as in drift on dry road? explain more plz
slide, it's drift-ish but less much less control. sliding the savvy is possible on wet roads, though most of the time resulting to under steering. on dry road however, the car is so stable and has lots of traction till it's very difficult to slide the car even with the help of handbrake.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 7 2006, 02:21 PM)
dude, people are entitled to their opinion - whether good or bad.
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yes...he has the right to his opinion and i have the right to think that hes stupid wink.gif

QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jun 7 2006, 02:26 PM)
i finally got your point there. biggrin.gif at first i was thinking of something else laugh.gif

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huh? slide as in drift on dry road? explain more plz
slide, it's drift-ish but less much less control. sliding the savvy is possible on wet roads, though most of the time resulting to under steering. on dry road however, the car is so stable and has lots of traction till it's very difficult to slide the car even with the help of handbrake.
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ic....looks like this car is not meant for drifting i guess...good traction make the car more safer me thinks cool.gif
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so someone's stupid for thinking the car is F*&((*& ugly? wink.gif

IMO only the Savvy green and silver (AMT) versions look nice. even nicer with R3 bodykit.
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as u said earlier ..people are entitled to their opinion....whether its good or bad....so i still have the right to think hes stupid by posting rubbish.....i my self dun like savvy without a body kit cause it looks weird without it cool.gif
ps:he cant even spell "care" properly...... whats the point of posting?
QUOTE(athlonxp @ Jun 5 2006, 12:08 PM)
i dont car how it peform, but the first thing i know is..
SAWI IS F@RKING UGLY!  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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see the pinned thread on fast and furious.....i thought we suppose to use proper english when talking bout cars no? whistling.gif

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lol i found this topic when i scearhing the new PROTON SRM

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personaly im driving protong savvy now 1.2L MT i bought it since nov 2005, so far i driving it totally din having problem at all just on the roof of my car, got 2 black plastic.. got some problem on it but is under warrantty i going to eon and replace it for free.. dashboard problem? still not having those problem

driving exp ?
pickup is abit slow, agree who reply at here but dunno who d. but now i know got some way to pickup wit savvy. the power show off after 3000RPM, everytime i pump it i can feel tat after 3000RPM the power like running out. maybe they design to save petrol.

handling ?
erm i can i dun having any handling problem with it. cool and steady thumbup.gif
the supensin design for is feel good not like i driving my frd waja when high speed corner when the road is bumpy the waja saja like on a high speed boat but i having this problem on a savvy..

Mantanice?
hoho as my dad say the part shuold be expensive rolleyes.gif but nvm la is more sav on the petrol, somemore my frd is card technician,dealer also got not big deal. on it

** this is my personal opinion on proton savvy la csz i driving it for more then half year dy dun belive PM me i show u my car and my register form ^^ lol JK dun blame me

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Owner survived just a lil bits of scratch..

http://www.savoc.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=147

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gosh... big foot run over it? haha.. tongue.gif joking..

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Tat day, i ran to ampang to find my friend..... But when i reach a corner, a motocycle coming from bak n come into my line... So i just elak... But the tyres lose its grip... n hit the hill wall... then the whole car terbalik.... But luckily i m alright... Jus a bit scratched...


that guy is lucky that he's ok.
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Jun 21 2006, 02:23 PM)
Owner survived just a lil bits of scratch..

http://www.savoc.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=147

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wow....proton really built it tough rclxms.gif
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Wah.. like that can still be rebuild ar? i will end up in scrap yard?
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only windscreen still there?
where the others. hancur already?
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The car of course is a total loss - off to scrap yard.Only the front glass is tempered or the others were removed already...that's why tint your windscreens is a good idea. Wear your seatbelts guys, it saves life.
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not to bash, but to share something.
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it appears that the gear knob is infact plastic coated in metalic paint which comes off after some time of use. sweat.gif
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that is one dirty gear knob.. shocking.gif
guess the owner didnt take a good care of that car huh?
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it appears that the gear knob is infact plastic coated in metalic paint which comes off after some time of use.

This is one of the reason I fear of buying Proton, cheap plastic everywhere eventhough Gen2 Hi-line/Neo seems like a sweet deal.

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i drove my bro's savvy MT

what i can comment is.. pickup a bit laggy, clutch a bit stiff, breaking too sensitive (got EBS???), looks cool with R3 kit, rock steady when speeding, engine sound not nice, good handling, roomy..
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QUOTE(mockv1per @ Jun 22 2006, 11:09 AM)
that is one dirty gear knob..  shocking.gif
guess the owner didnt take a good care of that car huh?
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not dirty, it's the paint coming off, thus exposing the cheap plastic part.

QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jun 22 2006, 11:28 AM)
This is one of the reason I fear of buying Proton, cheap plastic everywhere eventhough Gen2 Hi-line/Neo seems like a sweet deal.
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perodua cars also suffers the same fate sad.gif

QUOTE(eone @ Jun 22 2006, 04:22 PM)
i drove my bro's savvy MT

what i can comment is.. pickup a bit laggy, clutch a bit stiff, breaking too sensitive (got EBS???), looks cool with R3 kit, rock steady when speeding, engine sound not nice, good handling, roomy..
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well, i just so happen to like sensitive brakes. smile.gif
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long live savvy....
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QUOTE(eone @ Jun 22 2006, 04:22 PM)
i drove my bro's savvy MT

what i can comment is.. pickup a bit laggy, clutch a bit stiff, breaking too sensitive (got EBS???), looks cool with R3 kit, rock steady when speeding, engine sound not nice, good handling, roomy..
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Then y so many ppl say savvy good pickup one? urs is MT somemore shocking.gif
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He forgot to let go handbrake ?
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jun 22 2006, 09:51 PM)
not dirty, it's the paint coming off, thus exposing the cheap plastic part.
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i mean... in between the numbers.. theres dirt inside it.. shocking.gif
anyway, yeah, the gear knob paint is easy to peel off..
heres a simple DIY, use sand paper to rub off the gold colour finish thumbup.gif
image taken from mengking@gen2club

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^Oh... that dirt... laugh.gif yeah, it's been sometime since the car was properly cleaned, besides, it's much harder to remove dirt dtapped in the carved number gear knob.

Sweet mod drool.gif
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QUOTE(nexona @ May 13 2006, 02:34 PM)
We are talking about 2nd hand value here. Wtf with all these marketing strategy and advertising crap? rolleyes.gif you want to participate in an argument at least you DO SOME reading.
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5 years ago my friend bought wira and kancil becoz he said 2nd value for these car very good...
but up till now he can't find any buyers and his kancil price drop drastically..

moral...we don't know the future..few years later maybe new model coming out, FTA, or AFTA........ no matter hotselling car or not. (but it still 2nd hand)...ppl will buy new car

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QUOTE(eone @ Jun 22 2006, 04:22 PM)
i drove my bro's savvy MT

what i can comment is.. pickup a bit laggy, clutch a bit stiff, breaking too sensitive (got EBS???), looks cool with R3 kit, rock steady when speeding, engine sound not nice, good handling, roomy..
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1. better FC among its class
2. good handling like medium sedan car class..

when u drive the car,...u don't feel like driving small/compact car like others jap cheapo K car
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to me, savvy isn't really a nice car... prefer MyVi better!!! if modify MyVi bodykit also looks nice.. If add blingbling rims.. lagi nice la!!!

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QUOTE(DJCeNa @ Jun 23 2006, 11:18 PM)
to me, savvy isn't really a nice car... prefer MyVi better!!! if modify MyVi bodykit also looks nice.. If add blingbling rims.. lagi nice la!!!
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another one blind MYVI fanboyish sleep.gif
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QUOTE(DJCeNa @ Jun 23 2006, 11:18 PM)
to me, savvy isn't really a nice car... prefer MyVi better!!! if modify MyVi bodykit also looks nice.. If add blingbling rims.. lagi nice la!!!
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the MyVi thread is thataway:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=303887

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Savvy and MyVi is actually different car...............

the MyVi platform is based from Vitz (the old one), has a boxy profile compared to Vitz is to serve different purpose.......

it is the Vitz actually is in same category as Savvy.........

but thanks to malaysian bloated car price, we have usually compare cars within price rather than its category

anyway, if the Savvy sedan is launch, i dont think Iswara will be replaced with Savvy sedan in taxi market quite soon, it would happen gradually

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for me, all old model a.k.a wira, iswara, saga sedan only, should be a taxi rather than develop a new version. change the engine to mix up with NGV. then produce new model. i dont think it is a big matter for proton. unless gov only want crappy V6 and fatty waja to be a taxi in KL.
what i want is, change all old taxi that use old model of merc, bmw or volvo that we always see in kampung one.
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jun 23 2006, 11:45 PM)
for me, all old model a.k.a wira, iswara, saga sedan only, should be a taxi rather than develop a new version. change the engine to mix up with NGV. then produce new model. i dont think it is a big matter for proton. unless gov only want crappy V6 and fatty waja to be a taxi in KL.
what i want is, change all old taxi that use old model of merc, bmw or volvo that we always see in kampung one.
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government must give an incentives for more petroleum companies to set up more NGV stations too......the present number is not ebough for taxis in Klang Valley, makes a refuel of NGV make take a long time, this will discourage its adoption for consumers

lol, if government plans to use pickups as taxi........i like the idea, haha

talking about savvy, proton could easily fit a Renault Clio diesel engine inside..........that would be a good buy for taxi company

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juara should be a klia taxi.
arena can use at sabah sarawak.
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jun 23 2006, 11:55 PM)
juara should be a klia taxi.
arena can use at sabah sarawak.
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lol, arena is single cab lah..........haha
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Savvy diesel......mesti laku punya!
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if diesel not give us black smoke okay la.
clean and healthy like merc and bmw.
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if diesel not give us black smoke okay la.
clean and healthy like merc and bmw.
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Renault Clio diesel engine......that's ok...

with the pending next year introduction of biodiesel to our market, the Savvy diesel could dominate the compact car easily......hehe
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QUOTE(DJCeNa @ Jun 23 2006, 11:18 PM)
to me, savvy isn't really a nice car... prefer MyVi better!!! if modify MyVi bodykit also looks nice.. If add blingbling rims.. lagi nice la!!!
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Myvi is a cute ladylike car...if u modify ur myvi..it looks like a grandma trying to be a punk lady..
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Jun 23 2006, 11:35 PM)
Savvy and MyVi is actually different car...............

the MyVi platform is based from Vitz (the old one), has a boxy profile compared to Vitz is to serve different purpose.......

it is the Vitz actually is in same category as Savvy.........

but thanks to malaysian bloated car price, we have usually compare cars within price rather than its category

anyway, if the Savvy sedan is launch, i dont think Iswara will be replaced with Savvy sedan in taxi market quite soon, it would happen gradually
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myvi is mini mpv...designed for msian who can't afford buying mpv like avanza, innova or alphard
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juara should be a klia taxi.
arena can use at sabah sarawak.
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QUOTE(Ah Beng @ Jun 24 2006, 02:38 AM)
don"t forget "Rusa"
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there will be a diesel engine from Proton soon. maybe its CamPro diesel.
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Still people complaining about hard plasics...

I recently had the chance to drive in estima and Honda crv year 2003....same plastics eveyw..the plastic panels in the crv creak and rattle like there's no tomorrow although it barely reaches 100k km..

Look at new Civic..full of hard plastics also...even the most exp cars use the same materials beneath the nice misleading touch ups and finishings..

Car manufacturers ese days need to use this kind of recycyclable plastics to mantain complience with environmental laws.. if you miss the smell of vynil finishing just head to used car dealers.



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this is from Paultan's review on the new Civic...

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Plastic panels were starting to dislocate themselves after 4000km on the mileage

The exterior build quality was excellent. No unsightly gaps in the fittings anywhere. But the interior was a different story. Like I said a few months back, I still think the glove box is flimsy and can't be closed easily. There was also this plastic panel near the A pillar which was half way popping out. I did not manage to take a picture as my first reaction was to sigh at the state of Honda's Malacca plant quality control, and then try to pop the panel back in. I could not manage to pop the panel back in properly. The result is a slight gap. I took a photo of that. This was the 2.0S. Later, I found the same problem in the 1.8S as well.

...She said her 1999 EK's interior was much better, and the plastics felt better, they weren't hard and plastic-like, but softer. There were also obvious cost-cutting measures everywhere especially in the thickness of metal they used for panels. Or perhaps this is for weight reduction purposes. There are also no side-sills for the doors. Shoes might scratch the paint. The paddle shifts on the 2.0S are shaped like the letter L. They seem pretty flimsy...
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Jun 24 2006, 10:02 AM)
Still people complaining about hard plasics...

I recently had the chance to drive in estima and Honda crv year 2003....same plastics eveyw..the plastic panels in the crv creak and rattle like there's no tomorrow although it barely reaches 100k km..

Look at new Civic..full of hard plastics also...even the most exp cars use the same materials beneath the nice misleading touch ups and finishings..

Car manufacturers ese days need to use this kind of recycyclable plastics to mantain complience with environmental laws.. if you miss the smell of vynil finishing just head to used car dealers.
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yes i do agree that recycled materials aren't as nice as virgin ones, but that shows the limits of their chemical engineering capability. if they could add some vinyl based bonding agent into their plastic, i'm sure the chemical and physical properties will be as good or even better than virgin vinyl plastic. (but such bonding agents don't come cheap)
besides, vinyl plastic can be recycled too.
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QUOTE(Ah Beng @ Jun 24 2006, 02:32 AM)
Myvi is a cute ladylike car...if u modify ur myvi..it looks like a grandma trying to be a punk lady..
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http://www.newcarnet.co.uk/Proton_Savvy_sh...ves.html?id=883

Proton's first five-door city car has plenty to plenty to recommend it. Above all, the Savvy is one of the most comfortable cars in this sector...
A cartoon tank? The styling is appealingly quirky, with a distinctive 'staggered' window line
I didn't expect to like the Proton Savvy. I'd heard some mumbled criticisms but, after a week of using it as my every-day transport, I've come to the conclusion that the critics are talking rubbish. If you want a comfortable, perky, stylish, affordable car (and we're talking as little as £5995, here), it has some amazingly good features.

Number one strong-point is the seating position and comfort, despite the lack of adjustment in the steering wheel. For a budget car, the seats feel great, while the natural alignment of steering wheel, seat and pedals means I remained perfectly comfortable on a three-hour journey - a surprisingly rare thing. In a badly-aligned car, your spine is twisted by reaching for offset pedals, or a weirdly-positioned steering wheel. No such problems here.

Number two plus-point is the gear selection - a truly satisfying, precise action. Shifting up and down the gears is something you'll actually enjoy, rather than battling with the soup-spoon-in-custard gearshift of many a cheap motor.

Number three is the handling. This is a tall-ish modern city car, meaning adults can sit in the back, yet the firm suspension means corners are dispatched with minimal body roll - so you take them faster, and need less acceleration as you come out onto the straight. This helps overcome the rather lacklustre 1.2 engine, which could perhaps be a bit gutsier. It goes quite well, better than many city cars when pushed hard, but you need to give it lots of welly as acceleration from low revs is not impressive. It needs to rev; it likes to rev; and it will happily do over 70mph in third gear. Keep the rev-counter (it's big, yellow, and very visible) hovering around the 4000rpm mark, and everyone's smiling. This won't do wonders for your fuel consumption, of course, which isn't the best in class at 49.6mpg (combined), but at least you have the choice of driving for economy or pushing harder, depending on your mood.

Just love those yellow dials!
Number four in my list of gold stars is the styling. Just look at it - it's a cartoon tank. Its appealingly rounded bullet-shape is faintly quirky without being styled to shock. (That heavy look around the front, by the way, is deceptive, as the steering is light and responsive.) The staggered window height is a distinctive feature, and perhaps contributes to the very low level of 'buffeting' when you have just one window open. On the downside, it makes it all-but impossible for the passenger to rest an elbow on the open window sill. Inside, I was very taken by the yellow speedo and rev-counter, a colour which seems mysteriously to fade when you switch on the headlights. Not to mention that the rear seats fold flat; and when parking, the reverse distance sensors are a bonus.

The bad bit - and it's a noticeable problem - is noise. We're talking road noise, wind noise and, battling to outdo both of these, the shrill, resonating boom of the engine at high revs. On my first day with the car I found it unbearable. But that was in test-drive mode, taking it up to the red-line around 6200rpm, at which point the din is enough to make your teeth bleed. But I ask you - when did you last take a car up to 6200rpm? If your answer is "I've no idea", I bet you never have. Most people would never get anywhere near these revs, as it's just not necessary in normal driving. Forget the test-driver's tick-boxes and ask yourself, "Is this a car I enjoy when I'm using it every day?" For me, the answer is resoundingly "yes". Any minor quibbles are overruled by the car's saving grace, namely that you won't need to visit an osteopath. That's what lets so many cheap cars down very badly. Not so the Savvy.
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Cars recently use a lot of hard plastic.

The problem with Proton using hard plastic is that it feels more cheap skate. Even with Satria Neo, the feel is still there.

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F1 technology - AMT transmisson that is used in Savvy.

credit to Savvybaby

Magnetti Marelli powertrain states that it's systems are also used in the following models of vehicles :

Car Model ( name the system is called )

Alfa Romeo 156 ( 1997 ) + 147 ( Selespeed )

Fiat Stilo

Ferrari 355 + 360 Modena

1986 F1

Mercedes Sprinter ( Sprintshift )

Mercedes C Sport Coupe and CLK ( Sequentronik )

Renault Twingo Cinetic ( Quickshift5 ) as from 291002

BMW Series 3 ( SMG )

Aston Martin Vanquish ( ASM )

Maserati Spyder ( Cambiocorsa )

Proton SAVVY ( AMT )

The AMT in the SAVVY consist of transmission control unit, accelerator pedal sensor, engine control module,hydraulic power and oil pressure sensor, driver control device and rotation speed sensors.

The AMT does NOT need a conventional auto torque converter
or hydraulic drive.

It is essentially a "robotised" manual gearbox utilising electronically
controlled actuators to operate the clutch and regulate gear
changes without the power-sapping and weight penalties
of a fully automated transmission.

Fuel efficiency is good, not surprising since there are no power
losses.

The AMT manual gearbox changes gears rapdily in a sequential
manner ( a finger-flick away ).

In the manual mode M, the gear changes manually ( by the
driver's action ) or by default at 6,000 rpm.

With a kerb weight of 963 kg, the power-to-weight ratio is a good
78.3 hp / tonne

It is said to sprint to 100 km / hr in 14.4 sec and a top speed of
170 km / hr , 12.6 for the Savvy MT.

The engine of the SAVVY is the same as the Renault Clio 2001 1149 cc model.

The SAVVY engine is a single overhead valve unit with 16 valves and multipoint injection.

It delivers 74 hp at 5,500 rpm and 105 Nm at 4,250 rpm and complies with Euro 4 emission standards.

The SAVVY chassis uses high tensile high strength HTHS steel
of 17K Nm torsional rigidity. This gives the monocoque shell body structure approx 3 times the body rigidity of the Proton Wira. SAtria Neo is 13300Nm.

The AMT offers instant responsiveness and excellent fuel economy

The AMT offers 2 driving modes according to driver mood, needs
and prevailing traffic conditions.

Automated D mode is recomended for city traffic jams or long distance comfort driving. The manual M mode is for spirited enthusiast drivers who
wish to take control ... especially in accelerations and through
serpentine winding roads.

The AMT has a creep function when the brakes are released,
which is good for parking and traffic queue (makes the car move slowly forward or backwards to help with parking).

The AMT prevents stalling as well as under- and over- revving,
improving safety and reducing the risk of damage to the gear
transmissions.

There is an automatic "kickdown" function for easier overtaking
This gives the SAVVY AMT a slight edge over the SAVVY MT
for overtaking at highway speeds.

The engine always operates in it's optimum rev range, ensuring
responsive yet refined driving.A normal Automatic car suffers big power loss due to the torque
converter ... leading to lack of response to the throttle position and
shift level changes.

The SAVY AMT is less noisy than the SAVVY MANUAL because
shifting of gears is at lower revs, so noise is less intrusive
As for fuel economy ... the SAVVY AMT is 5 % better than SAVVY MANUAL

The SAVVY AMT has 5-gear ratios in BOTH automated and semi-auto
manual modes ... ensuring maximum responsiveness and fuel
economy at all times

The AMT improves the transmission and clutch life-spans
Apart from improved driver comfort and safety while driving,
the AMT gives lower operating costs through reduced stress
on drivetrain components
No external cooler is required and there is no clutch pedal

Generally speaking ... the flawless shifting of gears in the AMT gives it an approx. 10 % to 15 % better fuel
consumption compared to a FULLY AUTOMATIC CAR

With the AMT's higher torque capacity and FUN to drive benefits,
it is no wonder that young and young-at-heart drivers prefer
this hot zippy driving experience


Due to the computerized clutch control with precised timing, shifts
are much quicker than any average driver can ever attempt with a
normal manual gearbox and foot-operated clutch
The computer features some form of fuzzy logic which allows the
automated mode D to adapt to your driving patterns.


The AMT has a fully programmable, electronically controlled gear
shifting for optimal vehicle performance, giving increased engine
durability and improved NVH ( noise-vibration-hardness )characteristics.

Renault has spent years refining the system, which first appeared
in Formula One cars but has slowly filtered down to everyday
family vehicles.

The SAVVY front suspension uses a dual path mounting MacPherson
strut for enhanced straight line stability

The rear utilizes isolated trailing arms on torsion beam axle for a
competitively higher level of comfort and reduced road noise

The TCU program in the AMT can be programmed to
sporty, standard ( default ) or economy

The Proton AMT is unique and unlike other similar systems in that
it allows DOUBLE gear changes
by flicking the gear stick forward or backward TWICE
( as long as the momentum of the car allows the gear changes
to do so ... eg from 5 to 3 ... or vice versa )



In the UK, sequential gear-boxes like the AMT type is sold at
half-price as compared to a standard automatic transmission
gear-box.

The D4F Renault engine as used in the SAVVY is one of the
most bullet proof of the entire Renault small engine range


The Renault Quickshift5 ( same as the AMT ) has already got a
proven track record of 2 years in Europe without much problems


The SAVVY feels like a big car ... continental stable feel
and is good for out-station drives ... especially
along serpentine winding roads .
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Honestly Japan/european cars also has plastic or whatever problems. I never really own a proton or perodua before but some of the Jap cars I drove do have plastic or miscellanous problems.
My point is, it doesnt matter what makes it is, its the QC problem. Out of 5000 cars, surely 1%-5% of cars have some problems.
That's why the warranty and service centres are there. It's all about after sales service, IMHO. icon_rolleyes.gif
I think proton improved alot compared to few years back. They just need to keep on going forward if they wanna compete with international players. Time will tell I guess. biggrin.gif
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Well, say as much as you want, the sales figure of Savvy still isn't doing it's "potential" any justice. So what's the real problem? Public perception/assumption? I'm guessing it's called Proton Reputation.

With the new management hopefully things will get better.
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Jul 26 2006, 11:57 AM)

The Proton AMT is unique and unlike other similar systems in that
it allows DOUBLE gear changes
by flicking the gear stick forward or backward TWICE
( as long as the momentum of the car allows the gear changes
to do so ... eg from 5 to 3 ... or vice versa )


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bmw smg and civic paddle shift let u do double gear changes too....
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QUOTE(soggie)
Well, say as much as you want, the sales figure of Savvy still isn't doing it's "potential" any justice. So what's the real problem? Public perception/assumption? I'm guessing it's called Proton Reputation.

With the new management hopefully things will get better.
^you don't need to guess, it's already a fact. Remember the senseless bashing of the savvy even before it was launched, heck I was even part of the mob.

Its reputation only got worse when they decide to use beige and a mix of other random color for the interior of the car. Many car buyers buy cars for looks, company reputation and second hand value (especially typical "Chinese"). They'll give squat about car handling and performance as long as the car looks fugly to them.

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QUOTE(hypermount @ Jun 24 2006, 10:02 AM)
Still people complaining about hard plasics...

I recently had the chance to drive in estima and Honda crv year 2003....same plastics eveyw..the plastic panels in the crv creak and rattle like there's no tomorrow although it barely reaches 100k km..

Look at new Civic..full of hard plastics also...even the most exp cars use the same materials beneath the nice misleading touch ups and finishings..

Car manufacturers ese days need to use this kind of recycyclable plastics to mantain complience with environmental laws.. if you miss the smell of vynil finishing just head to used car dealers.
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fren, notice u very bz 'protecting' savvy in lyn biggrin.gif ...but if i am u, i will ignore those comments ... there is no 100% perfect car in this world ....

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As the savvy is unique as it was the only locally made car with the AMT gearbox, i wondering how many mysia drivers here do appreciate AMT cars, and i have no idea how many AMT savvy were sold so far.

Apart of its cost which is cheaper than a normal auto, AMT and those with semiauto transmission (especially with flappy paddle gearbox) are tend to be jerky. That explains on why in Europe they still prefer manual over auto and semi auto. sweat.gif

I also doubting will the future proton models will have AMT? hmm....
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Come to think of it, the Campro definitely needs AMT to perform better otherwise it is so unresponsive.


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Look at new Civic..full of hard plastics also...even the most exp cars use the same materials beneath the nice misleading touch ups and finishings..

Yep, cars now uses hard plastic. But unlike Proton they have it touch up, while Proton leave it bare naked... that's the problem.

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Plastic issues huh? Wait till u guys sit in the Toyota Vios. Plastic is everywhere. Just tat, it doesn't look cheap oni.
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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ Jul 26 2006, 01:28 PM)
As the savvy is unique as it was the only locally made car with the AMT gearbox, i wondering how many mysia drivers here do appreciate AMT cars, and i have no idea how many AMT savvy were sold so far.

Apart of its cost which is cheaper than a normal auto, AMT and those with semiauto transmission (especially with flappy paddle gearbox) are tend to be jerky. That explains on why in Europe they still prefer manual over auto and semi auto. sweat.gif

I also doubting will the future proton models will have AMT? hmm....
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u cant expect another AMT model for Proton, as the Savvy got AMT because it is mated with Renault engine......
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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ Jul 26 2006, 01:28 PM)
As the savvy is unique as it was the only locally made car with the AMT gearbox, i wondering how many mysia drivers here do appreciate AMT cars, and i have no idea how many AMT savvy were sold so far.

Apart of its cost which is cheaper than a normal auto, AMT and those with semiauto transmission (especially with flappy paddle gearbox) are tend to be jerky. That explains on why in Europe they still prefer manual over auto and semi auto. sweat.gif

I also doubting will the future proton models will have AMT? hmm....
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Just release the throttle to prevent the jerk, that simple. How much throttle release depends on the gearbox. Very good ones require little to no release of the throttle.
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http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Wednesday/Features/20060725154006/Article/index_html

Not all transmissions are made equal. SHANNON TEOH and JEREMY MAHADEVAN clutch at... clutches.

MALAYSIANS are a family-loving bunch. Children of all ages are still made to observe Father's and Mother's Day with brunches, hi-teas and whatnot, all at their parents' expense. If that isn't love, what is?

Reciprocally, parents are always protective of their children. They send their children for tuition, they give duit raya and buy cars with the little munchkins in mind.

This is regardless of how little they earn. The family must have a car, if not two, and they must all cater to the possibility of four, if not five, needing to be shuttled somewhere.

So when the Perodua Myvi was launched, it sounded the death knell for cars like their very own Kelisa and Kancil, until then, the standard bearers of economy cars.

At the same time, it ensured that the race to buy a Proton Savvy, was nothing more than a false start. Just after the launch, the waiting list for Myvis stretched up to eight months, whereas one of us actually put in an inquiry for a Savvy, and was told that the wait would only be two weeks long.

Exactly how many mothers were going to put their little tykes in the back of a car whose entire ad campaign was based around being part of a comic? Exactly how many of those mothers were planning to be in an accident in the first place, to test if the car was really 'built tougher than you think'?

For most of them, the Myvi's larger size meant everything. It was more 'practical' even though it could cost up to RM4,000 more than its Savvy equivalent - that is, by leaving out the 'never going up Genting' 1.0l Myvi and matching the 1.3l Myvis with the 1.2l Savvys manual to manual and then automatic to AMT.

And at the end of the day, should a collision ensue, the availability of airbags in the premium spec Myvi would seem far more assuring than 17 squigllion Newtons per millimeter or something of torsional rigidity even if it meant forking out nearly RM50,000.

After all, they were never going to be driving fast enough for the wobbliness of the car to became a safety factor. This however, is where all the good bits of the Savvy lay - exactly where most family-oriented buyers' blindspot is.


But here's the fact of the matter. For a five-door supermini hatchback, the Savvy isn't that tight a fit. It's got a cubbyhole of a boot but you can fold the rear seats of course and get a very decent amount of travel essentials in. It's not as noisy and fidgety as the Kelisa or Kancil and it's got a pretty decent Clarion sound system. So it's nearly perfect as a city runabout and for a two-person road trip too.

It's never going to travel with five like how the Myvi possibly could, but you'll travel with two or three with a good deal of fun for the driver.

You'll never want to drive a Myvi but you may settle for a Savvy with its smart-ish looks and smarter handling. Well, smarter on the manual at least. Sounds odd? Well, it did to us too when we spent a weekend trying to figure out if we'd go for the manual or fish out about two-and-a-half grand more for the AMT.

Automated Manual Transmission is all that abbreviation stands for. And this is what it is - a manual gearbox with a little robot monkey doing all the clutchwork for you. The fact that the throttle is by-wire also allows it to blip the engine for you. That's either a good or a bad thing, depending on how you look at it. It does howl gloriously though.

Although it downshifts cleaner than the majority of drivers will ever do, upshifts are a different matter altogether. Most automated manuals require an easing of the throttle during upshifts to keep proceedings smooth, and the AMT is no exception, but while this is something that you could get used to, the lackadaisical manner in which the shifts occur is another matter altogether. You just know that you can shift faster if left to your own devices.

The weight and motion of the gearstick as you manage your way around the ratios is rather pleasing though, unlike, perhaps, the rest of the brittle, plasticky cabin, fancy hand brake aside. But hey, it's an RM40,000 car. The little bits of rubber available were already a surprise.

In auto mode, however, the AMT acquits itself quite well. It isn't entirely silky and it sometimes gets a bit muddled, but it works exactly as touted - it's more responsive than a torque converter, so it's definitely the driver's choice, and the trade-off in comfort isn't unreasonable. It resides in a precarious sort of limbo, though, because people who are used to autos will probably find it a bit annoying, while people who really want to drive are going to lust after the manual.

It's faster, to begin with. Proton's own figures credit it with a 1.8 second lead to 100km/h over the AMT, and in the real world this difference is very palpable. Because you can actually light up the manual's tyres on take-off you get a head start that will even make up for a couple of bungled shifts.

The manual just makes better use of the car's 74bhp and 105Nm of torque, although you're likely to expend more fuel in the process, and the boomy engine note lends no pleasure to hard driving. The clutch pedal travel is also overly long and the take-up point is overly short and strangely high, resulting in tall people having to drive with their left legs in their chins.

They ought to have improved overall pedal positioning to make things like heel-and-toeing easier. Some adjustability to the steering wheel position would have been welcome too. It's all in the little things, and on this front the manual falls short.

Ergonomics aside, handling-wise the two cars are pretty much, well, different. The manual was perkier, with better turn-in and slower build-up of understeer. This is curious, firstly, because the two cars ought to be well nigh identical. So at first we thought that this might be down to an age difference between our two testers, and we were right, in a wrong sort of way.

Turns out the manual was older and had just over 21,000km on the clock, whilst the AMT had only clocked somewhere above 9,000km. Even more puzzlingly, the manual was clearly in need of a good servicing - the alignment in particular needed looking at, since the steering was wriggling like a living thing at high speeds.

So after all our investigations we have to concede that we're not entirely sure what was up with these two cars. A lot can happen to a car in 9,000km, so it's possible the AMT example was simply driven with less mercy than the manual - after all, print ads said that you could chuck the car into M and the car will conquer, and we know that even great conquerors like Alexander and Caesar suffered losses.

We're still entertaining the possibility that the mismatched wheel rims Proton supplied us with might have been responsible, except those appeared on both cars.

So, conclusions? Because of its inherent flaws, the manual might be more amusing initially, however, if you had the RM42,000 (or a grand more for metallic paint), the AMT will be a better long-term prospect. Slower, yes, but less of a pain, especially in traffic and hey, that gearstick is a load of giggly fun.
lol..read the bold and coloured one.

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Some proton with waja bodykits and Gti spoiler..

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couldn't really imagine that the waja skirt could bring out some simple aggression on the looks, along with the spoiler. nice and simple.
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wow! that looks nice.....i hope i could drive one of these when i got my licence
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what is the rims size?
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what is the rims size?
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stock 15"
and i have seen some trying to be cute by putting 17" doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

and lol, trying to mask the stock brake calipers....

lol....
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17" on a savvy? that's just plain insane even with super low profile rubbers.
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Proton savvy is all about the auto to manual mode stuffs that they put in, that's the cool part of it. Something that you can only find with expensive cars only.
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Jul 31 2006, 06:49 PM)
17" on a savvy? that's just plain insane even with super low profile rubbers.
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yeah.. i was like wat da fak ? doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(LokGP @ Jul 31 2006, 06:59 PM)
Proton savvy is all about the auto to manual mode stuffs that they put in, that's the cool part of it. Something that you can only find with expensive cars only.
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its because of the engine used la....
that is why they can put AMT with it.....
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Yes AMT is fun..chassis is tough you dun even need strut bars..only 3 tyres stick on the road when coming down from genting..

Tried before going up genting with 5 adult person with luggage + R3 muffler - but quite slow la.

Fuss-free fun

http://thestar.com.my/lifestyle/story.asp?...&sec=lifeliving

Everyone knows manuals are fun but a pain in traffic, and autos are easy but boring. HONG BOON HOW discovers how you can have the best of both worlds.

IF you happen to see the Proton Savvy on the roads these days, the little hatchbacks will probably be zipping around in city traffic before you lose sight of them.

You would probably have guessed that these drivers were exploiting the car's hidden talent – its sporty handling and agility. It was a talent that became evident when the car was first launched.

But the lack of an automatic gearbox option for the Savvy was one reason that initial sales did not quite meet its makers' expectations.

With the recent introduction of the automated manual transmission (AMT) gearbox, that part of the issue has been addressed and driving the Savvy has been made easier.

To put it simply, the AMT works more like a five-speed manual transmission but without your having to depress the clutch pedal – because there isn't one.

The AMT uses actuators to release and engage the clutch and change gears as well, automatically.

The beauty of the AMT is that it uses a dry clutch plate that minimises power loss during gear changes compared with the conventional automatic transmission that uses viscous couplings.

For more control, just flick the shifter to manual mode and push the stick to “+” to shift up and “-” for a lower gear ratio.

A digital display on the instrument cluster will tell you what gear you are in or whether you are in automatic mode.

We decided to have fun with the Savvy AMT by taking a drive up to Genting Highlands recently.

Anyone who has driven up to Uncle Lim's hill resort often enough will know that the unwritten rule is that if your car is not fast enough for the right lane, you should move to the slow left lane used by other slowcoaches, like the tourist buses or construction lorries.

Well, there was no need for any of that with the Savvy AMT.

Savvy AMT's gear shifter allows the driver to choose between automatic/ manual, neutral and reverse positions.
We went into manual mode and selected 2nd and 3rd gears to keep the peppy 1.2-litre Renault engine revving around 5,500rpm for maximum performance.

The fun was seeing the surprised looks on the faces of people driving more powerful and expensive cars as the small hatchback out-climbed them.

I remembered overtaking one guy who was blasting up the resort hill with his sixth-generation 1.6l Honda Civic.

On a level straight road, we knew that his Civic with its powerful V-TEC engine could easily out-run and out-accelerate the Savvy.

But, on the winding and steep roads of Genting Highlands, the Savvy AMT beats the Civic.

When we overtook him on one of the sharp and steep uphill turns, we caught a glimpse of his shocked-look on his face - his jaw dropped and the cigarette which he was smoking almost fell off his mouth.

The Savvy's well-controlled body roll during the mad dash up the Genting Highlands inspires confidence and encourages you to push the car to its limits. We were actually wishing that every corner would be steeper and sharper than the last.
The Lotus-tuned suspension system and stiffer chassis (Proton claims that Savvy's chassis is stronger than any Proton models to date) result in well-controlled handling and cornering capabilities.

These, in my humble opinion, enabled the Savvy to take sharp corners like a cat. Its ride is firm without being too harsh.

The last time we had this much fun with a small car was with the 1.6-litre Citroen C2 which had a Sensodrive gearbox (Citroen's version of the automated manual transmission) but that was in a package which costs close to three times more at RM135,000, albeit having more power.

When it comes to the fun-to-drive factor, we can say that the Savvy is in a class of its own, easily a more thrilling to drive experience than any other compact cars of the same engine size.

Put the AMT system into automatic mode and gear changes can smooth once you adjust your timing in easing off the throttle during a gear change and then powering up once the car is in a new gear.

It's not quite as smooth as a conventional automatic transmission but isn't too far off and a relief during traffic jams.

Being a compact car, the Savvy's interior still offers reasonable room for adults although those sitting at the back seats will have their heads close to the ceiling.

Another thing that we liked about the Savvy is that its large headlights are not just for aesthetics, but throw out brighter light than most early generations Protons.

The Savvy AMT comes with an on-the-road price of RM42,916.






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well, today my friend got his savvy, he was satisfied with it, according to him, it is less fuel consuming than iswara, is it true?
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Aug 14 2006, 05:14 PM)

I remembered overtaking one guy who was blasting up the resort hill with his sixth-generation 1.6l Honda Civic.

On a level straight road, we knew that his Civic with its powerful V-TEC engine could easily out-run and out-accelerate the Savvy.

But, on the winding and steep roads of Genting Highlands, the Savvy AMT beats the Civic. 

When we overtook him on one of the sharp and steep uphill turns, we caught a glimpse of his shocked-look on his face - his jaw dropped and the cigarette which he was smoking almost fell off his mouth.


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LoL so proud arr? icon_rolleyes.gif he just didn't push his Civic harder than the Sawi lah...

and he was thinking: wtf this Sawi want to show off with my Civic??Get Lost la..

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well, today my friend got his savvy, he was satisfied with it, according to him, it is less fuel consuming than iswara, is it true?
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Maybe is new thats why. But once the run period is done it should be way better than the iswara. My civic 1.6 SOHC VTEC FC is same or sometimes better than 1.3 Iswara manual. shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Aug 14 2006, 05:19 PM)
well, today my friend got his savvy, he was satisfied with it, according to him, it is less fuel consuming than iswara, is it true?
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You must remember for clumsy-foot driver, carburator consume a lot of fuel.



I think hypermount too happy with using Savvy overtake Civic'06. Remember Savvy has lighter body and would be anytime zippier than Civic'06. I also expect Ferrari loose to you as the Ferrari driver can't afford to trash his car. Just take your Savvy touge with another Savvy on downhill more fair like that. If you pass him, that means his Savvy have lousier setups or defects?!


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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Aug 14 2006, 07:15 PM)
You must remember for clumsy-foot driver, carburator consume a lot of fuel.
I think hypermount too happy with using Savvy overtake Civic'06. Remember Savvy has lighter body and would be anytime zippier than Civic'06. I also expect Ferrari loose to you as the Ferrari driver can't afford to trash his car. Just take your Savvy touge with another Savvy on downhill more fair like that. If you pass him, that means his Savvy have lousier setups or defects?!
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Well... He's probably proud to be a savvy owner rclxms.gif . Even though i don't really like savvy design but i think it's quite a tough car for it's class. i'm not sure bout the performance though coz i havent even sat in that car nor tested the car b4. Many ppl doesnt really expect much from a savvy due to the price they're paying for n even some reviews from their frens or other ppl. Maybe bcoz of that when the car performs better n it's slightly above their expectations they feel happy n satisfy with their rides. Well as for the review about savvy smoked an civic EK(sorry bro he din meant the 06 civic, he meant the 6th gen) i think the writer did wrote it abit too 'over' or so called 'lebih'. Not that it's impossible to do it but i believe that the civic wasnt really in the rush or in the mood of racing with a savvy? Or maybe the writer should come out with a review about a savvy drifting on the way to genting? Maybe the great nissan fairlady will lose to a savvy? Fast n furious' 4th episode will have savvy drifting in Tokyo? icon_rolleyes.gif
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renault engine confirm got problem later on....put AMT...going to be bad to worst in five years time.........the reanult enjine drinks more fuel than any other proton.....this is from myvi,perdana,accord and renault same owner...>>> rclxms.gif arsenal..i think so far.....myvi is the better than renualt 1.8 (injection) many many times...
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Guys, dont spark fire with fire. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(arsenal @ Aug 14 2006, 10:38 PM)
renault engine confirm got problem later on....put AMT...going to be bad to worst in five years time.........the reanult enjine drinks more fuel than any other proton.....this is from myvi,perdana,accord and renault same owner...>>> rclxms.gif arsenal..i think so far.....myvi is the better than renualt 1.8 (injection) many many times...
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compairing 1.8 with 1.3
that's so 'smart' of you
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QUOTE(arsenal @ Aug 14 2006, 10:38 PM)
renault engine confirm got problem later on....put AMT...going to be bad to worst in five years time.........the reanult enjine drinks more fuel than any other proton.....this is from myvi,perdana,accord and renault same owner...>>> rclxms.gif arsenal..i think so far.....myvi is the better than renualt 1.8 (injection) many many times...
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Can sense anti protoness here. The car is just a year and u can predict the car will have prob later? Then get a career in fortune telling tongue.gif. To compare, i asked my friend who have both savvy and myvi, i asked him which car consume more petrol. He say that FC for both car is very identical/same or maybe just a lillte to myvi for better FC. If u wanna bash bash with some fact. This savvy engine (the one which is on the Clio) is one of the best engine renault ever produced. Google is ur friend smile.gif
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Aug 14 2006, 10:56 PM)
compairing 1.8 with 1.3
that's so 'smart' of you
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well, French engine are not that bad in reliability nowadays, particularly their small engines

the D4F is not an old engine, it was introduced in December 2000

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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Aug 14 2006, 10:56 PM)
compairing 1.8 with 1.3
that's so 'smart' of you
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oohh.. i think he mean 1.3 also better than 1.8... which means when u compare 1.8 with other 1.8s will be worse tongue.gif if comparing 1.3 with 1.8 saying that 1.8 is better than different story lar heheh! icon_rolleyes.gif
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When we overtook him on one of the sharp and steep uphill turns, we caught a glimpse of his shocked-look on his face - his jaw dropped and the cigarette which he was smoking almost fell off his mouth.


are u exaggerating ? whistling.gif

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are u exaggerating ?  whistling.gif
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that review is from the star, go find yesterday's newspaper instead of bashing him straight sweat.gif

erm and, renault engine eat more fuel than any other proton? huh.gif you mean other proton products?
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he's just quoting the article......why should we blame him?
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not blaming him .. just don have to make the fonts so big and reddish to emphasize tat statement ...
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the way he write like savvy so good......can ask why jeremy clarkson laughing at savvy......please la.....everyone also can goes up to genting.....u just comparing civic alr so lanchi......wtf....dont tell me he din look in front the road which have so many corners and all....and YET they have time to look at the driver smoking ( almost drop also can see wor shakehead.gif shakehead.gif )..plus he look suprised.....omg..... shakehead.gif shakehead.gif shakehead.gif ..

one thing for sure......renault citroen and peugout are good.....but maintenace.....anyone mind to tell me why they stopped waja 1.8 renault edition....enjine good also wat.....WTF savvy man...
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seriously, instead of keep bashing proton, isnt it better to pray that proton can improve alot and reach good standard to compete with oversea's cars? our pm already said he wont let proton die, so who knows he might spend $$ to delay the AFTA again sweat.gif so isnt it better if proton improve and reduce price so we can get the afta sooner tongue.gif tongue.gif

i must be dreaming tongue.gif
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i dont like bash national car....but the way.....they managing company....they are not professional....like tidak apa attitude.....
perodua know how to jaga their customers very well....proton prefer to say f*** off...
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i dont like bash national car....but the way.....they managing company....they are not professional....like tidak apa attitude.....
perodua know how to jaga their customers very well....proton prefer to say f*** off...
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the only proton.......i like.......is 1984 proton saga.....that is the best car i ever seen that is made by proton......

my perdana.....the first my dad bought the car to home first day.....2 number plats front and back came out next day in the morning..they went and put double tape to stick the number plat......mind you it is 103k car.we manage to stick back....and when my dad was driving the front number plat suddenly flew away..my dad saw like a number plat in the air....and he saw his own number floating in the air..lol.. tongue.gif tongue.gif ...savvy only 43k ....the brake din even function when my dad going down the car park.....in the end ...crash the wall of car park.....luckily proton did all for free without claiming insurance.....from that day....i decided....proton means suicidal...

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QUOTE(arsenal @ Aug 14 2006, 11:29 PM)
the way he write like savvy so good......can ask why jeremy clarkson laughing at savvy......please la.....everyone also can goes up to genting.....u just comparing civic alr so lanchi......wtf....dont tell me he din look in front the road which have so many corners and all....and YET they have time to look at the driver smoking ( almost drop also can see wor shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif )..plus he look suprised.....omg..... shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif ..

one thing for sure......renault citroen and peugout are good.....but maintenace.....anyone mind to tell me why they stopped waja 1.8 renault edition....enjine good also wat.....WTF savvy man...
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Jeremy laugh at savvy name only. Not the shape (actually he say the car size and shape is not bad). Not the car. He did not even tested the car. Watch more top gear next time. Waja 1.8 engine and savvy 1.2 engine is both diff engine dude. How can u compare like this? Really doh.gif So far there is no high maintainance probs for the savvy yet so u cant just bash yet.

Go back to ur Myvi thread n post there to avoid more embressment to urself.

Edit : selinix and arsenal, go back to your PERFECT MyVi thread and post there. Why bother posting here since u hate the car so much?

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QUOTE(hypermount @ Aug 14 2006, 05:14 PM)


I remembered overtaking one guy who was blasting up the resort hill with his sixth-generation 1.6l Honda Civic.

On a level straight road, we knew that his Civic with its powerful V-TEC engine could easily out-run and out-accelerate the Savvy.

But, on the winding and steep roads of Genting Highlands, the Savvy AMT beats the Civic. 

When we overtook him on one of the sharp and steep uphill turns, we caught a glimpse of his shocked-look on his face - his jaw dropped and the cigarette which he was smoking almost fell off his mouth.

Sounds so anime-like. Dropped a cig ? You sure you got the time while zipping up to the top of Uncle Lim's hill and watching the Civic driver.

I am okay with normal review, even if its a Savvy or any crappy Proton, but i can't seem to tolerate the insult thrown on a Honda, a Japanese powerhouse carmaker.

The statement "Savvy AMT beats the Civic" just gets on my nerves. If the testdriver was testing and comparing both of the cars, then yes, you may give such a conclusion. How bloody sure are you that the Civic driver isn't some old uncle fagging away while cruising up for a good time. No offence but normally those who can own a Civic are pretty much older people, and not all old people rushes up Uncle Lim's hill like some Initial D or Tokyo Drift retarded wannabes.
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QUOTE(arsenal @ Aug 14 2006, 11:57 PM)
the only proton.......i like.......is 1984 proton saga.....that is the best car i ever seen that is made by proton......

my perdana.....the first my dad bought the car to home first day.....2 number plats front and back came out next day in the morning..they went and put double tape to stick the  number plat......mind you it is 103k car.we manage to stick back....and when my dad was driving the front number plat suddenly flew away..my dad saw like a number plat in the air....and he saw his own number floating in the air..lol.. tongue.gif  tongue.gif ...savvy only 43k ....the brake din even function when my dad going down the car park.....in the end ...crash the wall of car park.....luckily proton did all for free without claiming insurance.....from that day....i decided....proton means suicidal...
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Well buy merc or those car can give u peace of mind. Why buy perdana? Why buy MyVi? As u say is still a national car

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QUOTE(tifosi @ Aug 15 2006, 12:46 AM)
Jeremy laugh at savvy name only. Not the shape (actually he say the car size and shape is not bad). Not the car. He did not even tested the car. Watch more top gear next time. Waja 1.8 engine and savvy 1.2 engine is both diff engine dude. How can u compare like this? Really doh.gif So far there is no high maintainance probs for the savvy yet so u cant just bash yet.

Go back to ur Myvi thread n post there to avoid more embressment to urself.

Edit : selinix and arsenal, go back to your PERFECT MyVi thread and post there. Why bother posting here since u hate the car so much?
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come on dude .. dun be so childish la .. did i say the Myvi is perfect or the savvy sux ? doh.gif . .who is bashing the savvy ???? we are just giving our opinion on the exaggerated review made....zzzzz.. maybe u think the savvy can really beat the honda hands down going uphill with the driver in the car so shocked untill the jaw drop with his ciggie going to fell off from the mouth ..

Edit : i dont hate the savvy ...plz bear in mind ...and dun simply shoot me with nonsense

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Well, is lambo or ferrari some perfect cars? come on... nothing is perfect... not savvy not myvi either... It's just the matter of fact that how ppl think of the products, they like it, they trust it, they buy it. Think twice y myvis fills the street but not savvy? Ppl even willing to wait 9 months for myvi. the question is y? Why choose myvi over savvy? It's not that nobody buys savvy, some would buy it for some reasons. Maybe becoz it's built tough? Or maybe bcoz ppl trust proton. And y comparing merc or other cars with a national car? Comparing 1.8l engine with a 1.3l engine isn't fair but comparing merc with national cars is alright? blink.gif
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QUOTE(selinix @ Aug 15 2006, 12:58 AM)
come on dude .. dun be so childish la .. did i say the Myvi is perfect or the savvy sux ?  doh.gif  . .who is bashing the savvy ???? we are just giving our opinion on the exaggerated review made....zzzzz
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Well he probably thinks that savvy rox n myvi doesnt... Is that wat u mean?
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QUOTE(Kyoshiro @ Aug 15 2006, 01:17 AM)
Well, is lambo or ferrari some perfect cars? come on... nothing is perfect... not savvy not myvi either... It's just the matter of fact that how ppl think of the products, they like it, they trust it, they buy it. Think twice y myvis fills the street but not savvy? Ppl even willing to wait 9 months for myvi. the question is y? Why choose myvi over savvy? It's not that nobody buys savvy, some would buy it for some reasons. Maybe becoz it's built tough? Or maybe bcoz ppl trust proton. And y comparing merc or other cars with a national car? Comparing 1.8l engine with a 1.3l engine isn't fair but comparing merc with national cars is alright?  blink.gif
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we are just giving our opinion on the exaggerated review made....zzzzz.. maybe u think the savvy can really beat the honda hands down going uphill with the driver in the car so shocked untill the jaw drop with his ciggie going to fell off from the mouth ..


Is passionate journalism a sin..maybe he's trying to emulate jeremy clarkson..

Why say vios is better than gen.2 when it has only torsion beam setup for its rear suspension ( I read some girl said vios is sportier and better handler in some other proton bashing thread in kopitiam)...cos of brand perception mah.....I think they're just plain bland when comes to passenger cars..

waja 1.8 was a rush job trying to mate mitsubishi transmission and renault engine..the mismatch caused a lot of electrical & eletronic problem like faulty gear sensor.. Savvy on the other hand is a different story altogether..they have planned carefully right from the beginning developing the car around the renault engine..we seldom hear hear Savvy had engine failure or stranded by the road side.no I think it'a zero case more like it.

.people bash Kenari from beginning becos of the non conforming look - sales was lacklustre and look at how the model fares now...Savvy is a solid product without any major problems and I can foresee the sales will improve..

Europeans also can make excellent engines wat...for example, compare to the japanese, they have the better lines of diesel engine.

On the topic - from all the reviews from abroad and local - I think we can sum up Savvy is one of the better handling car in the market with unforgetable drive experience,


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it's a nice car actually.

even though i've decided to go for a Myvi for it's bigger cabin space, i do admit that i did put savvy under consideration (yes!! i'm a proton basher, and a savvy-looks-basher!! biggrin.gif) the position of the reverse gear is not an issue to me
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Savvy's parts price

1) Wing mirror (entire unit) = RM 122.70
2) Air filter = RM 113.94
3) Oil Filter = RM 34.01
4) Tranself gear oil 75W80 (1L) = RM 44.66
5) Front headlight = RM 346.42
6) Rear tail Light = RM 195.27
7) 3rd brake light = RM103.70
8) Speedo meter (UK version, part# PW865651) = RM436.10
9) Timing Belt kit with bearing (part# 7701473001) = RM516.74
10) Radio Antenna (part# PW851932) = RM167.00

Oil & air filter change is 20k km..there's much cheaper aftermarket air filter like washable redline..I feel it's the most pricey in the list...the gear oil is 40k and timing belt 60k..the gear oil is synthetic needs 3L..got cheaper alternative I heard owners use Tranself mineral type instead.
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Aug 15 2006, 03:15 AM)
Savvy's parts price


btw hypermount, since ur the Savvy expert here - do you happen to know if there's any bodykit for savvy that looks decently nice yet not as expensive as the ones that come with the Savvy + Bodykit?

i mean the bodykit version comes like RM 3k more than the one without it. sad.gif one could get a custom made bodykit for probably around half the price.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 15 2006, 03:18 AM)
btw hypermount, since ur the Savvy expert here - do you happen to know if there's any  bodykit for savvy that looks decently nice yet not as expensive as the ones that come with the Savvy + Bodykit?

i mean the bodykit version comes like RM 3k more than the one without it. sad.gif one could get a custom made bodykit for probably around half the price.
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Here's one for RM550 without paint! got from seller at zth forums.

The material is rigid PU.

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You can use Honda Jazz and waja bodykits also..and I saw one owner in real life use gen.2 front lips not bad..very cheap RM120+ without paint.

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This one use waja frontlips and gti spoiler and side skirts.. all for abput Rm700 only wiht paint thumbup.gif
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so at the end of the day savvy rules ? or what ?
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no ill feeling..sorry for causing unhapiness in savvy forum
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QUOTE(Kyoshiro @ Aug 15 2006, 01:20 AM)
Well he probably thinks that savvy rox n myvi doesnt... Is that wat u mean?
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Nop, i mean savvy is not that bad as what all of u all think. If u have driven it u will know. Btw, i am not a proton sales guy or a savvy owner. As for myvi is a nice car too and i driven it before.

Note: Did u see me bashing Myvi? No right? My point is give proton a chance as a national car maker as they trying to get better by the day (I hope)

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today - i beginning to think of getting Savvy instead. OMG!!! tongue.gif vowed not to support Proton but......... WTH. it's an interesting car. biggrin.gif
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i feel more comfortable in a savvy rather than myvi....

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I havent test drive or seated in a savvy before. Anyone willing to fetch me around in a savvy? tongue.gif I really like to know how savvy fairs.
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QUOTE(SimonsayZ @ Aug 15 2006, 05:24 PM)
I havent test drive or seated in a savvy before. Anyone willing to fetch me around in a savvy?  tongue.gif  I really like to know how savvy fairs.
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you should.....cos i sat in my friend's savvy....it really feels better than myvi...
well for me....im driving a vios myself...

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QUOTE(chastise @ Aug 15 2006, 05:25 PM)
you should.....cos i sat in my friend's savvy....it really feels better than myvi...
well for me....im driving a vios myself...
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Really? Cool, I think I gonna see if any of my friends get savvy and bug him to let me test drive, hehe..
Oh btw, I really like the design of satria neo (Im a hatchback whore). I think proton might be on the right track. smile.gif

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QUOTE(tifosi @ Aug 15 2006, 02:45 PM)
Nop, i mean savvy is not that bad as what all of u all think. If u have driven it u will know. Btw, i am not a proton sales guy of a savvy owner. As for myvi is a nice car too and i driven it before.

Note: Did u see me bashing Myvi? No right? My point is give proton a chance as a national car maker as they trying to get better by the day (I hope)
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i never doubt the savvy performance before ... and i really looking forward to have a ride on it one day to really feel how good it is ... Juz i dun really prefer the rear look of this car .. rolleyes.gif . .
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QUOTE(selinix @ Aug 15 2006, 05:43 PM)
i never doubt the savvy performance before ... and i really looking forward to have a ride on it one day to really feel how good it is ... Juz i dun really prefer the rear look of this car ..  rolleyes.gif . .
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i don't like the toilet-bowl hood. neither the V shaped back deco either.

however the car looks nice with kits.

i never liked it when it was released, hwoever the blue with white-rims did caught my eye.

then the AMT launched with the green and grey version - damn those are nice. biggrin.gif even with the toilet-bowl hood.

i have to admit, now i'm reconsidering Savvy due to
1. the favourable comments so far
2. rather sporty once kits are added (hypermount stated the price - i like the price)
3. not many people have (myvi so many on the road)
4. sufficient space (i hope)
5. since not many people demand, so i guess people don't exactly like to target it.
6. Auto / AMT at around RM 42k - why not?
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yeah..i once thought savvy is ugly....
but after looking at my friend's savvy with R3 kit....it's not too bad...

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yeah..i once thought savvy is ugly....
but after looking at my friend's savvy with R3 kit....it's not too bad...
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it will always look good to me without looking it at the back .. tongue.gif
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it will always look good to me without looking it at the back ..  tongue.gif
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The back look like transformers face.

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The back look like transformers face.
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oih what you saying tongue.gif Transformers look nice!!!!!!! to say Savvy's back look like transformer's face could either mean they look nice or that transformers face look ugly. tongue.gif but then again, 'nice' or not is subjective.

haha. well i like the honeycomb rearlights.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 15 2006, 05:52 PM)
4. sufficient space (i hope)
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if compared with cars like kelisa, yeah i'd say sufficient space. don't get me wrong, my sister do have a savvy and i'm not bashing it. it's just relativity when it comes to space. some view it as sufficient while other sees it as little.
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The only time i felt Savvy being more comfortable is when taking corners. I have a close friend driving a Savvy while myself with a Myvi. You can enter corners faster in a Savvy.

The backseat sucks for me though, can't blame it, i am 6 feet tall anyways.
If you do not need a big and high back cabin space, take the Savvy since its cheaper and you can get the car faster and maybe the AMT could be fun for those who hates driving with a clutch.
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wat i can say......savvy is a good car for performance and doesnt care about the space...myvi is about space is the car...and all the passengers can sit more comfortablely than swift...

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wat i can say......savvy is a good car for performance and doesnt care about the space...myvi is about space is the car...and all the passengers can sit more comfortablely than swift...
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Savvy for handling and performance-wise while Myvi for comfort and bigger cabin space.

Swift no need to compare...if talk about Swift, can bring in Yaris and Jazz to debate also.
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Well both cars have their own target buyers and the savvy suits for those looking for a small but fun to drive car, wyhile the myvi is aimed for families or those looking for a decent supermini.

Seriously by far the savvy is perhaps one of the best proton has produced so far, so i havent heard a major problem from the savvy at all. notworthy.gif
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both cars are good in their own right

the Japanese, tends to produce hatchbacks that is good for utility, everyday use (practical)

while the Europeans, usually produce hatchback that is good in dynamics
(talking about small cars, the French are European experts)

the MyVi (Passo) platform is based from last generation Vitz chassis ( i dont mean it's old, just to state the market postitioning), they use that platform because the next generation Yaris/ Vitz is larger

the MyVi..... for average buyers, when they looked at the exterior , they can see the advantage....( i mean it is obvious)

the Savvy, meanwhile, u need to drive and own it to feel the difference
( especially the 17,000 Nm torsion rigidity, u cant see that externally)

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after all you get what u pay for....

who among us dont want to own a beemer or a merz...
just that we are unlucky to have this protective policy in place...

yeah... so we get what we pay for...
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anybody knows the exact model of the engine used by Savvy ?


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should be a 4 Cylinder 16V D4F.it is a renault engine if i am not mistaken.With maximum power at 74 hp (55 kW) @ 5500 rpm and maximum torque at 105 Nm @ 4250 rpm.
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I am going to book one within 3 months. Friend introduces me to a shop to do glasses tinting and bodykits. Yipee...after considering of MyVi, WAJA CAMPRO and etc.... I come to a decision to get SAVVY AMT.
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I am going to book one within 3 months. Friend introduces me to a shop to do glasses tinting and bodykits. Yipee...after considering of MyVi, WAJA CAMPRO and etc.... I come to a decision to get SAVVY AMT.
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hopefully it will bring joy to u .. biggrin.gif
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Proton Savvy, Year 2005 (around sept) , Blue, Manual, Going off at RM26,800(nego) !!!
2nd hand damm Berbaloi !
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Proton Savvy, Year 2005 (around sept) , Blue, Manual, Going off at RM26,800(nego) !!!
2nd hand damm Berbaloi !
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you the seller? damn cheap la wei, who to contact?

value drop so much meh?
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mamamia nice soiler.

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QUOTE(jinyee80 @ Aug 20 2006, 07:37 PM)
I am going to book one within 3 months. Friend introduces me to a shop to do glasses tinting and bodykits. Yipee...after considering of MyVi, WAJA CAMPRO and etc.... I come to a decision to get SAVVY AMT.
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Cool! I thought you're driving a new waja, Jinyee80. Where do you plan to install the bodykits..you've made the perfect choice...check owners forums for more infor about the car.

QUOTE(Latino Heat @ Aug 20 2006, 11:57 PM)
Proton Savvy, Year 2005 (around sept) , Blue, Manual, Going off at RM26,800(nego) !!!
2nd hand damm Berbaloi !
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Before somebody starts to bash and liken it to tiara, the second hand value will automatically drop when the new price is announced.

Savvy's new price OTR with bodykits and free service voucher

1.2 MT Met : RM 36,974
1.2 AMT Met : RM 39,916

Insured value bank.

SAVVY MT BASIC RM 29,800
SAVVY MT COMFORT RM 32,300
SAVVY MT MET BASIC RM 31,500

SAVVY MT MET COMFORT RM 33,200
SAVVY MT MET STANDARD RM 32,300
SAVVY MT STANDARD RM 30,600




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Omg that spoiler ... reminds about tat car ... issit mitsuosuka cute ? that have the spoiler that can hang clothes de ..
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Aug 21 2006, 12:39 AM)
mamamia nice soiler.

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Cool! I thought you're driving a new waja, Jinyee80. Where do you plan to install the bodykits..you've made the perfect choice...check owners forums for more infor about the car.
Before somebody starts to bash and liken it to tiara, the second hand value will automatically drop when the new price is announced.

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Wow, that's nice!

Yesterday, i tried my friend's Savvy.......yes, i felt puas hati (satisfied) with it.....felt zippy in this car, dashboard assembly is ok, power window working seamlessly and most importantly, it corners like you are on the rail!

this is definitely the car that i would get if i got my licence or in college....
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SAVVY MT BASIC RM 29,800
SAVVY MT COMFORT RM 32,300
SAVVY MT STANDARD RM 30,600

what the difference?
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I thought the COMFORT spec, got ABS & EBD equiped, is it?
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Aug 21 2006, 12:39 AM)
mamamia nice soiler.


exaggerated spoiler. i prefer the ones from R3.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 21 2006, 03:03 AM)
exaggerated spoiler. i prefer the ones from R3.
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actually that spoiler look semak.
one is enough.
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i was just browsing Proton size - the R3 Zerokit thing - it comes with rims & wheels?

PROTON SAVVY ZEROKIT FEATURES:

+All New Performance Oriented Profile Styled by R3
+Aggressively Styled Alloy Wheels
+Streamlined Rear Spoiler
+Pronounced Front Splitter
+Full Length Side Skirt with Real Carbon Fibre Logo Inserts
+Made from High Quality Ultra Durable Fibre Reinforced Plastic (FRP)

http://www.proton-edar.com.my/showroom/sav...currentButton=8
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i hope this is true. it's a step for convincing me to buy a Savvy AMT from my initial choice of Myvi.

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Anyone, the new price lit for AMT version is how much. I thought it was 40,916. Hmm...merdeka sales but I need the money to buy my bro a laptop and other things as he is going to Bristol, UK for studies. Erm, maybe november when my FD matures, then I will go for it.Anyway, anyone please PM me the latest price.Thanks ya!
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oh great. i just called up Proton at 1300-88-0888.

took a while to get through, then the person on the line probably has comprehension problem. my question was simple - "does your R3 Zerokit package comes with the JRD Pro 155 Wheels?"

then fella replied me with stuff like don't know pricing, need to refer to SC for pricing.

at this point i was like WTH?!?!? on the website it stated the pricing and call the above number for details and you're forwarding me to SC!??!

ok well nmind that. later found out, Wheels not included. DAMN. of course i know it too good to be true for RM 1,980 to be inclusive of wheels.

but that's not the point here, oh well....... RM 2k for kits. i'm still wondering how RM 700 kits compare to actual RM 2k kits.
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Aug 21 2006, 12:39 AM)
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What the!? blink.gif
It'll only make more aerodynamic drag and makes you slower. The one on the bottm should sit at the edge of the roof, that would make it look good IMO. biggrin.gif

I like the exhaust though. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(jinyee80 @ Aug 20 2006, 08:37 PM)
I am going to book one within 3 months. Friend introduces me to a shop to do glasses tinting and bodykits. Yipee...after considering of MyVi, WAJA CAMPRO and etc.... I come to a decision to get SAVVY AMT.
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i tot u bash proton like there is no tomorrow ?
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QUOTE(kcng @ Aug 21 2006, 11:23 AM)
i tot u bash proton like there is no tomorrow ?
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That;s too over.I did bash, but not that serious. Anyway, for their previous model. I bash mostly on their pricing. Anyway, we have less choice to make up. Within the price range, I feel that this is worth to invest in. Well, sometimes though we don't like it, we have to turn around and face the reality rather than keep on complaining.

For your information, I bashed PROTON's management more towards their engineering part.



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i tot u bash proton like there is no tomorrow ?
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smile.gif when we bash Proton. we really meant Proton, as in the people running them. but bash the car? heck no (other than Savvy's look)...... personally i've always found Waja and Savvy to be great cars, and so are the old and new Satrias. smile.gif Wira too actually. i don't like Gen-2 but it's improved a lot.

Savvy AMT is definitely in my consideration now. HEAVY consideration, gonna test drive it soon. haven't even test drive my neighbours 1.3 Myvi AT.
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Aug 15 2006, 03:15 AM)
Savvy's parts price

1) Wing mirror (entire unit) = RM 122.70
2) Air filter = RM 113.94
3) Oil Filter = RM 34.01
4) Tranself gear oil 75W80 (1L) = RM 44.66
5) Front headlight = RM 346.42
6) Rear tail Light = RM 195.27
7) 3rd brake light = RM103.70
8) Speedo meter (UK version, part# PW865651) = RM436.10
9) Timing Belt kit with bearing (part# 7701473001) = RM516.74
10) Radio Antenna (part# PW851932) = RM167.00

Oil & air  filter change is 20k km..there's much cheaper aftermarket air filter like washable redline..I feel it's the most pricey in the list...the gear oil is 40k and timing belt 60k..the gear oil is synthetic needs 3L..got cheaper alternative I heard owners use Tranself mineral type instead.
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Localised parts ( apart from proton ori) is beginning to appear in the market.

Oil filter for Savvy is RM7 and air filter RM16..

There will be a cheaper alternative for Savvy's timing belt kit which is RM500++

Proton cut throat..even renault's ori oil filter is cheaper than Proton's filter...

Expensive parts? hardly...that's the beauty of the net, infos travel very fast.
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savvy is a nice car...but many people dislike it...especially the exhaust in the center.....haha...but to me...with the R3 kit it is nice smile.gif
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Anyone? Please quote me the price for PROTON SAVVY AMT.
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1.2 AMT(S) - RM42,050,07
1.2 AMT(M) - RM42,916.32

Zero Body Kit
1.2 AMT(S) - RM45,628.27
1.2 AMT(M) - RM46,520.32

+Both got 3 years service FOC
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All this info is from proton edar at glenmarie, the paper is from around 2~4 weeks back, i got my car already, and that paper is before/when buying the car

Edit : not sure about this, but i think its the merdeka promotion only, and S = solid, M = metalic.

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I checked while going for Satria Neo testdrive, some Proton showrooms are offering Savvy AMT for RM39k+ with RM2k petrol voucher. They said it was a older batch and going to clear them cheap during the Merdeka promo. Well, can't remember which showroom.
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maybe 2005 batch? mine is 2006
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Now that you mentioned it, i think its a 2005 batch. Thats why its so cheap.
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Will they still promote it after Merdeka?
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there's a carnival going on at the momment...call the information centre...or check out the newspaper..quite lucrative..
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widebody Savvy

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he shouldn't have smoked the rear lights. other than that, it looks acceptable.
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According to a Proton Edar dealer here, they have sold 30 Savvys for the month of August, of which...50% of these units are Blue colour, compared to the usual average of 10-something Savvy for a month...
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According to a Proton Edar dealer here, they have sold 30 Savvys for the month of August, of which...50% of these units are Blue colour, compared to the usual average of 10-something Savvy for a month...
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yep...sales of savvy really gone up this few months, especially after they included R3 bodykit
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QUOTE(amir_iskandar @ Sep 6 2006, 03:50 PM)
yep...sales of savvy really gone up this few months, especially after they included R3 bodykit
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let's not forget the launch of AMT and the green / silver variants. smile.gif
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Savvy is the most laris Proton model in UK now.

What some Proton fans in UK said about savvy rclxms.gif

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i did the same as noel today two savvys one black with blacked out windows looked tidy and two impians too
Got lots of Singaporean members in SAVOC too..

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Savvy in Singapore comes with smallet 14' steel with hub cap and mini spoiler..no airbags, ABS and EBD unlike the UK spec.



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QUOTE(goldfries @ Sep 6 2006, 04:03 PM)
let's not forget the launch of AMT and the green / silver variants. smile.gif
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many people thought my green savvy is AMT but infact it's the MT variant..
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If u say the proton savvy is the best selling proton model in the UK, exactly how many units were sold in the UK so far? unsure.gif
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Proton UK said said savvy contribute the most sales, check out the latest press release..nofgures thou

Savvy makes national fuel economy record




Proton Holdings Bhd's Savvy compact car made it into the Malaysia Book of Records for travelling 1,614km journey through West Malaysia on 1.75 tanks of petrol, setting a fuel economy record for a standard showroom vehicle above 1,000cc.

Fitted with a 40-litre capacity fuel tank, the Savvy used 68.08 litres of fuel - about RM130.71 at the pump - or an average fuel consumption of 4.22 litres per 100km. The car travelled through all 11 states on the Peninsula in all road conditions.

In a statement on Sept 19, Proton said the one-year-old Savvy was designed to be fuel economical while being both dynamic and practical. The record-making feat, it added, also showed the durability of the car.

The company's media and public relations executive Gary Lee said: "It's a practical demonstration of what the car is capable of. It was also timely to demonstrate to our customers the car is fuel economical."

"In general all the cars in that category, small compact city cars, target fuel economy as one of their main criteria. But, by doing this we can show what the car can do instead of talking about it," he added.

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http://www.theedgedaily.com/cms/content.js...214b10-4d89fd10

it is better than my predicition of 22km/l...the record fc is 23.7km/l...cruising speed 90km/h

savoc excorting the record breaking cars from COE to sungai buloh tol

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a real fuel saver, perhaps the best fuel efficient car in Malaysia?
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if every day jam kaw kaw still can get 20++km/l ?

if can i will consider 1 since i work in kl town...
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now, that's what the savvy interior should be like
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I really hated that original beige interior.

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if i am not mistaken all the new batch of savvy come with that color right? no more that beige color.
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QUOTE(Xefron @ Sep 20 2006, 11:37 AM)
if i am not mistaken all the new batch of savvy come with that color right? no more that beige color.
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you r right, new batch all black interior
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any plan to launch Savvy highline model?
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wow this savvy is seriously one thought car... for u guys info its handling is better then gen2....i have tried it....
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it still can't beat the Neo laugh.gif tongue.gif
same corner, same speed the savvy has more body roll compared to the neo. plus not to mention the tendency to loose traction of the rear tires if the corner is too sharp and entery speed too fast.

it's not an apple to apple comparison though tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Sep 21 2006, 10:04 AM)
it still can't beat the Neo laugh.gif tongue.gif
same corner, same speed the savvy has more body roll compared to the neo. plus not to mention the tendency to loose traction of the rear tires if the corner is too sharp and entery speed too fast.

it's not an apple to apple comparison though tongue.gif
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Of course neo is better cos Savvy use torsion beam suspension on its rear, one tyre will affect the another, one tyre will leave the ground when another hit a pothole or hit a coner too fast, gen.2/neo use multi-link rear suspension which is fully independent. Vios and city use this suspension setup, another saloon car use this type of suspension for its rear is nissan sentra. Still many people think cars like Vios/sentra provides better ride&handling when all new Proton cars practically ownz thsese japanese models..badge snobs altitude I would say.

One can say Savvy chassis is very stiff which is a good point, only three tyres made ground contact when i was coming down from genting. It's pro and cons for every setup.

But its confrmed savvy has mor bodyroll cos the car is quite tall and narrow, it can be eliminated using lowered sprigns and frotn struts.

Jasonking is drving gen.2 rite.. I can confirm too Savvy both manual n auto has better pickup than Gen.2..ride & handling maybe on par at best tongue.gif


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not only is the body of the savvy tough, the paint finishing is equally tough as well. my sister had her savvy's bumper scratched by me in both occations (just woke up, and was quite blur) with my old kembara and neo and the paint on the savvy is still intact and paint transfer is from the other two cars. scratch mark is there, but atleast the paint still stays.
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wah u scratch ur NEO ah? ...lol....if NEO didnt launch in the first place ....i am already driving a savvy right now ....heheh....but i am very happy wif my NEO though....even though its not fuel saving..... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Sep 21 2006, 07:31 PM)
...practically ownz thsese japanese models..badge snobs altitude I would say...
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sez the guy who has a proton badge as his avatar with a signature that goes: "Proton Power" in large bold red text.

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QUOTE(amir_iskandar @ Sep 20 2006, 01:04 PM)
you r right, new batch all black interior
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hmm, i asked the salesrep from one proton dealer, he claims that even 06 models not black interior boh..
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hmm, i asked the salesrep from one proton dealer, he claims that even 06 models not black interior boh..
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Same here.... i asked 2 dealers already!! said the same thing, never heard of savvy with dark interior.... weird... going to check out with the eon and PE branches instead... anyone out there got any info on this??? thanks..


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dark interior is mean for UK market ,
their taste is not toward beige coulour .
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There's actually local owners with dark interior in savoc. ALL NEW SAVVY IN LOCAL MARKET HAVE DARK INTERIOR as confirmed by Amin the marketing manager from R3. Try to check with branch instead.

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sez the guy who has a proton badge as his avatar with a signature that goes: "Proton Power" in large bold red text.

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No not me ohmy.gif ... I give credit when it's due. I'm defending Proton from attempts to defame them by using tak nak to proton avatar in LYN. That's even worse. it's just a knee jerk reaction from me.

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this is what happens in oversea, u can buy a mini cooper for RM60-70k brand spanking new, but u have to pay RM16-20 for every litre of patrol. Which one u choose leh? also, road tax and insurance even higher.. think about it people. use ur brain...
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QUOTE(Ripp87 @ Oct 27 2006, 11:36 AM)
this is what happens in oversea, u can buy a mini cooper for RM60-70k brand spanking new, but u have to pay RM16-20 for every litre of patrol. Which one u choose leh? also, road tax and insurance even higher.. think about it people. use ur brain...
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u dont have to spend time in the service center every freaking weekend ?
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QUOTE(Ripp87 @ Oct 27 2006, 10:36 AM)
this is what happens in oversea, u can buy a mini cooper for RM60-70k brand spanking new, but u have to pay RM16-20 for every litre of patrol. Which one u choose leh? also, road tax and insurance even higher.. think about it people. use ur brain...
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yea, and their earning power is much higher as well. Btw, we don't have to pay for PATROL. In malaysia and other parts of the world, we pay for petrol.
I wonder if you live in another world?
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Oct 27 2006, 10:50 AM)
yea, and their earning power is much higher as well. Btw, we don't have to pay for PATROL. In malaysia and other parts of the world, we pay for petrol.
I wonder if you live in another world?
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sorry, wrongly spelled sweat.gif petrol lah, gas lah, whatever.. imagine 1 full tank rm450. it's possible u know..
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QUOTE(Ripp87 @ Oct 27 2006, 10:36 AM)
this is what happens in oversea, u can buy a mini cooper for RM60-70k brand spanking new, but u have to pay RM16-20 for every litre of patrol. Which one u choose leh? also, road tax and insurance even higher.. think about it people. use ur brain...
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i wonder the rest of the RM100k can supply me how many years of petrol..
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imagine 1 full tank rm450

You can't compare the price directly as countries have different buying power.

£.98 per litre for them isn't that bad having that they earn on everage £2000 per month on the average. Considering that they could buy Savvy with around £6000~£7000, they don't even need bank loan to buy a new car. And in that price range, they got whole lot of other choices.

In Malaysia,
RM1.92 per litre for us, and average RM2000 per month. Savvy cost RM45k (I'm guessing), with years of loan. Remember the choices we could have in RM45k range. Now that's a big different.


So the interior is black. Cool. What's the price for Savvy AMT right now (I can't find the price in the Proton website, not even in the PDF)? And when is the Hi Line (with ABS/EBD/BEBD) coming?

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Oct 27 2006, 04:20 PM)
You can't compare the price directly as countries have different buying power.

£.98 per litre for them isn't that bad having that they earn on everage £2000 per month on the average. Considering that they could buy Savvy with around £6000~£7000, they don't even need bank loan to buy a new car. And in that price range, they got whole lot of other choices.

In Malaysia,
RM1.92 per litre for us, and average RM2000 per month. Savvy cost RM45k (I'm guessing), with years of loan. Remember the choices we could have in RM45k range. Now that's a big different.
So the interior is black. Cool. What's the price for Savvy AMT right now (I can't find the price in the Proton website, not even in the PDF)? And when is the Hi Line (with ABS/EBD/BEBD) coming?
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True my sis in US drive an accord cost USD 20k and the petrol is ~USD1.50 per GALLEN (NOT liter). Proton made us all drive interior yet expensive cars in malaysia vmad.gif
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Just picked my Savvy MT few days before Raya. so i spent my Raya zipping back to my kampung in my savvy rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

overall the car handling is very good and my wife aka co-pilot told me to slow down cause i'm taking corner way too fast on winding roads in Pahang tongue.gif

too bad that you can't adjust the steering wheel height. FC is quite okay for me. RM 50 for one day 426 km trip (Bangi-Raub-Tanjung Besar-Kuala Lipis- Seremban).

I bought savvy as a second car as i finished paying off my iswara and me and my wife travel a lot.
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u dont have to spend time in the service center every freaking weekend ?
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True my sis in US drive an accord cost USD 20k and the petrol is ~USD1.50 per GALLEN (NOT liter). Proton made us all drive interior yet expensive cars in malaysia vmad.gif
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wow, since when overseas cars don't have interior? is Proton at fault for making us drive 'interior cars?'

well, I suppose it's good in a way that Proton exists. Knowing the quality of Malaysian drivers, imagine how much our accident rate would increase if our cars were tax-free, and everyone could be owning a supercar at Malaysian S-Class prices.
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QUOTE(nerd @ Oct 27 2006, 06:02 PM)
stop exaggerating. it's annoying.
wow, since when overseas cars don't have interior? is Proton at fault for making us drive 'interior cars?'

well, I suppose it's good in a way that Proton exists. Knowing the quality of Malaysian drivers, imagine how much our accident rate would increase if our cars were tax-free, and everyone could be owning a supercar at Malaysian S-Class prices.
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honestly, if those s-class owners lives in overseas, that money can easily get lamborghini or sorts tho..
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actually the car actually looks kinda cute from the side...but i do think that the leg room for the rear sits isn't too spacious
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Savvy's latest price I myself also not sure....need to check with my dealer too.


Jing_Kohkoh,

You said their price USD1.50 per gallon.

I think we can't use petrol price in the US as a comparison...their petrol is way too cheap..been subsidesed also.

True price is 15 times that!!
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QUOTE(evoHahn @ Oct 27 2006, 05:18 PM)
Just picked my Savvy MT few days before Raya. so i spent my Raya zipping back to my kampung in my savvy  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

overall the  car handling is very good and my wife aka co-pilot told me to slow down cause i'm taking corner way too fast on winding roads in Pahang tongue.gif

too bad that you can't adjust the steering wheel height. FC is quite okay for me. RM 50 for one day 426 km trip (Bangi-Raub-Tanjung Besar-Kuala Lipis- Seremban).

I bought savvy as a second car as i finished paying off my iswara and me and my wife travel a lot.
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Hi the FC is okay only for a car that hasn't been run in properly lol? I think the FC is very good already flex.gif .. have you sent your car for 1k service?

Anyway glad you make the choice..gratz on ur new Savvy..

Trust me after getting a Savvy, you won't feel like travelling on expressway anymore although it's stable at high speed...now I travel on b roads a lot. Love the ride n handling.
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cool one wrod wow!

that one is with the R3 bodykit or something?
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That's really cool!
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I don't think it is...from the sideskirt and spoiler they aredifferent..can't dfferentiate the front thou.

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Aiya...if i giv u this car u want anot?
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how about tis ?
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not bad, but the spoiler extension kinda spoil it. i don't see the need of double spoiler.

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not bad, but the spoiler extension kinda spoil it. i don't see the need of double spoiler.
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QUOTE(hypermount @ Oct 27 2006, 11:30 PM)

Hi the FC is okay only for a car that hasn't been run in properly lol? I think the FC is very good already  flex.gif .. have you sent your car for 1k service?

Anyway glad you make the choice..gratz on ur new Savvy..

Trust me after getting a Savvy, you won't feel like travelling on expressway anymore although it's stable at high speed...now I travel on b roads a lot. Love the ride n handling.
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1st service should be only oil change! oil filter optional...pls go to reputable SC..
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yea the spoiler could be better..
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Some independent authorised service center can be cut throat.. just becos savvy has conti engine they wanna cheat people.. they throw in many parts change that is deem unnecesarry..my fren's pocket kena burn, i hate them cos it's a major turn off for potential owners. Pls stick to the recommended parts change in the service booklet.
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hypermount, my cousin said that his Tiara use Value spark plugs. Does savvy use the same spark plugs?
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hypermount, my cousin said that his Tiara use Value spark plugs. Does savvy use the same spark plugs?
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Savvy use Champion spark plugs.
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hypermount, my cousin said that his Tiara use Value spark plugs. Does savvy use the same spark plugs?
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how come people keep comparing tiara and savvy... both are different cars eventhough they are replacements. can't we take it as proton's move to replace the lousy tiara with a much better savvy?
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QUOTE(ocphangaz @ Nov 1 2006, 11:57 AM)
how come people keep comparing tiara and savvy... both are different cars eventhough they are replacements. can't we take it as proton's move to replace the lousy tiara with a much better savvy?
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I'm just only asking what brand of spark plugs savvy use since both cars have continental engine. sheeessh.
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hehe.. maybe he terperasan? laugh.gif tongue.gif
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yea my fault... how come apple doesn't taste like orange? since both are foreign fruits.
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QUOTE(ocphangaz @ Nov 1 2006, 05:18 PM)
yea my fault... how come apple doesn't taste like orange? since both are foreign fruits.
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what the..... hey ocphangaz, i own a savvy okay? the reason i ask what brand of spark plug savvy use so that i wont get cheated okay?

My brother and cousin owns a tiara and told me to be mindful of the spark plug used when sending the cars to service center so that it conforms to Proton spec.

Please read a few pages back before posting lah dude... dont embarass yourself lah. sweat.gif sweat.gif
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Pls calm down..just a slight misunderstanding..

Just done my 20k service!

only RM229!!! quite cheap considering the service interval is 20k.

needs only half day to complete the major service with thorough inspection checks...there's quite a lot of cars at SC thou today's weekday.
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Now this is what Savvy's rear should looks like.




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Yeah now that's NICE!! drool.gif
Looks tougher doesnt it. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Nov 10 2006, 06:33 PM)
Thats better a lot without the stupid nose ..
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Nov 10 2006, 06:33 PM)
wow that is one hell of a good mod to the rear... any more pictures???
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Nov 10 2006, 06:33 PM)
Saw that car before on LDP around DU heading to BU. It seems nicer in picture than up close. Duno why.
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My friend let me drive his Savvy AMT home. Pretty comfortable ride with low bucketseat-like seats and the handling was superb. I could never attacked such corners at such speed with my stock Myvi. Only thing lacking was the good torque and throttle response when compared to my usual manual car.

Quite a big difference from my manual Myvi. Very well experience gained. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(IntegraTypeR @ Nov 11 2006, 01:46 AM)
My friend let me drive his Savvy AMT home. Pretty comfortable ride with low bucketseat-like seats and the handling was superb. I could never attacked such corners at such speed with my stock Myvi. Only thing lacking was the good torque and throttle response when compared to my usual manual car.

Quite a big difference from my manual Myvi. Very well experience gained.  rclxms.gif
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just curious what is the conclusion from ur experience...Savvy better than Myvi??
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just curious what is the conclusion from ur experience...Savvy better than Myvi??
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Handling-wise, no doubt that Savvy pwns Myvi.
As for throttle performance, i cannot judge since Myvi is 1.3 and Savvy is just 1.2 while the Myvi that i own is a manual while my friend's Savvy is AMT, not manual.

As for exterior and interior design wise, i am on the Myvi side. So to me, its a win lose situation.


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Imagine the Savvy with a front and back like this... It'll be awesome!!! drool.gif

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QUOTE(IntegraTypeR @ Nov 11 2006, 08:10 PM)
Handling-wise, no doubt that Savvy pwns Myvi.
As for throttle performance, i cannot judge since Myvi is 1.3 and Savvy is just 1.2 while the Myvi that i own is a manual while my friend's Savvy is AMT, not manual.
Savvy AMT is a manual. smile.gif clutchless-manual.

you still can gear-shift with AMT, just like a manual.

i'll be getting mine soon.

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QUOTE(jVIPERs2 @ Nov 13 2006, 01:26 AM)
Imagine the Savvy with a front and back like this... I'll be awesome!!!  drool.gif
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how much it gonna cost? can u quote me an estimate?
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Well, Savvy is lighter, power to weight ratio, it has a big advantage over MYVI. Secondly, it is using a SOHC engine, it has better low end torque, city driving is excellent, cornering is good and firm. Interior sucks, I have to agree on that but sound system, Savvy is a tad better sounding than MYVI. I have driven both cars before but at the end of the day, Savvy is better than MYVI on the road, fuel consumption is good but MYVI will be more value for money, it has more features, better specs and more spacious too. To be honest, both cars are highly recommended for normal use, if you wanna lumba or anything, then go for Satria R3 or Gen 2 R3. thumbup.gif
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Imagine the Savvy with a front and back like this... I'll be awesome!!!  drool.gif
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If Proton were to have this rear a standard design. It certainly puts it on a same footing againts the Myvi. Savvy front looks really good in my opinion. Only its rear destroys its image. Imagine Brad Pitt without his teeth.
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QUOTE(Ripp87 @ Nov 16 2006, 01:12 PM)
how much it gonna cost? can u quote me an estimate?
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Hehehe...sorry la...I'm not doin business, it's juz my opinion...to have Proton to facelift the Savvy~ rclxms.gif

QUOTE(alienLYN @ Nov 16 2006, 11:41 PM)
If Proton were to have this rear a standard design. It certainly puts it on a same footing againts the Myvi. Savvy front looks really good in my opinion. Only its rear destroys its image. Imagine Brad Pitt without his teeth.
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Maybe on the same footing as Kelisa, not MyVi since it's a class behind MyVi...but it'll surely increase sales numbers though! tongue.gif
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Errr...... you should include Kenari and Kancil too. Savvy is definitely targetted at this bracket. Well, it's slightly a class behind MYVI but it's no slouch either, there are so plus points for having Savvy, I like its revvy engine. I drove my friend's Savvy for a short spin, I'll say, not bad for a car at this price, at least it's better than Satria Neo 1.3, it's worst than a kura-kura, even for the manual version, totally not responsive.


QUOTE(jVIPERs2 @ Nov 16 2006, 11:53 PM)
Hehehe...sorry la...I'm not doin business, it's juz my opinion...to have Proton to facelift the Savvy~  rclxms.gif 
Maybe on the same footing as Kelisa, not MyVi since it's a class behind MyVi...but it'll surely increase sales numbers though!  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(sunauto @ Nov 17 2006, 02:27 AM)
Errr...... you should include Kenari and Kancil too. Savvy is definitely targetted at this bracket. Well, it's slightly a class behind MYVI but it's no slouch either, there are so plus points for having Savvy, I like its revvy engine. I drove my friend's Savvy for a short spin, I'll say, not bad for a car at this price, at least it's better than Satria Neo 1.3, it's worst than a kura-kura, even for the manual version, totally not responsive.
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Hmmm...I think it's too short to be in Kenari's class, and too spacious and overpowered to be in Kancil's class... tongue.gif
It's targetted at Kelisa, Sutera, Suria, Picanto, etc.'s market...and I think it's the best of the lot! It's a better drive than the Kelisa, that's for sure! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 13 2006, 04:05 PM)
Savvy AMT is a manual. smile.gif clutchless-manual.

you still can gear-shift with AMT, just like a manual.

i'll be getting mine soon.
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I don't know about you, but you have to drive a real manual before you can say that.

From my experience, the delay from the AMT being compared to full manual with clutch is significant factor to me. ohmy.gif So, "just like a manual", is what i can't agree with.


Its not like i didn't know what AMT stands for in the first place, furthermore i had actually driven one myself that night. doh.gif


No offence to you. smile.gif

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QUOTE(IntegraTypeR @ Nov 17 2006, 03:06 AM)
I don't know about you, but you have to drive a real manual before you can say that.

From my experience, the delay from the AMT being compared to full manual with clutch is significant factor to me.  ohmy.gif  So, "just like a manual", is what i can't agree with.
Its not like i didn't know what AMT stands for in the first place, furthermore i had actually driven one myself that night.  doh.gif
No offence to you.  smile.gif
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AMT = Automated Manual Transmission
of course it's not same with manual trans, even with gear shifting abilities. even if we are skilled in handling pure manual transmission, we will not able to control the lag of the automated clutch still but AFAIK shifting AMT could result in perfect lag, which is not too delayed or too quick (whatever gear it is shifting to). but does savvy has the technology to adapt the driving traits of the pedaller?
also, does the gear controls the pace of the car (ie downhill, steady slow, bla bla)

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Yes, from what I read the ECU has self learning capablities. It will adapt to your driving styles.
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So what happens if you always step on the gas when you have just got your car, the fuel consumption will be higher whenever you drive the car in the future because the ECU thinks that you have a need for speed? rclxub.gif


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Yes, from what I read the ECU has self learning capablities. It will adapt to your driving styles.
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So what happens if you always step on the gas when you have just got your car, the fuel consumption will be higher whenever you drive the car in the future because the ECU thinks that you have a need for speed?  rclxub.gif
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Yes the ECU will adapt to your driving style affecting the fuel/air mixture and gear shifting, gives you good FC when you drives slow and keeping your engine in its powerband when you feel like going fast esp in automatic mode in AMT... if you drive slow, the air/fuelmixture will be leaner, less fuel burn...dun worry the self learning pattern can be easily derided if you change ur driving habit instantly.

Some people didn't understand well about Savvy's drive by wire and say the pickup is sluggish but in fact the power to weight ratio is good like what you said. It doesn't have that linear pickup feeling in conventional throttle by mechanical cable. let say if you are a fast driver, pedal to metal most of the time, the ECU and TCU will change gear in high RPM and adapt to your driving style and later even if you half press or fully press, the gear change is still in the same rpm band.

The only diff between MT and AMT is in AMT the ECU and TCU providing the gear shifting which is not controlled by us..

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how much to tint whole car? say, black color? any jpj approved version?

How much is v-kool? any other brand offers same quality but cheaper price? how much leh?

help. thanks.
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I like Savvy's AMT version, something rare for a budget car and power to weight ratio, Savvy beats MYVI anytime but I wasn't a little comfortable with the interior, too much European feel I guess and the steering wheel could be better, looked worst than a toy car. I guess if Proton has an eye for details, they could make Savvy a winner, they just missed out some fine details of this car. I guess it's not too late, it could be done since cars get a facelift after a few years. Among the current Proton models, Saga, Gen 2 1.3, Satria Neo 1.3, etc ...... I guess Savvy has the best pickup among the lot and it's a zippy car for city driving.

So, to reset the ECU, can it be done by removing the battery terminal or it needs to be reset by the service centre?
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QUOTE(Ripp87 @ Nov 18 2006, 07:06 PM)
how much to tint whole car? say, black color? any jpj approved version?

How much is v-kool? any other brand offers same quality but cheaper price? how much leh?

help. thanks.
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There must be 70% light penetration on the front windscreen and 50% for the rest...but last I heard tint film is actually not approved by the authorities..as long as it's not too dark and they can see ur face, it's ok la.

I had this tint film done on my savvy, RM250 on the front and RM280 on the 5 windows...the visible light penetration percentage is 70 on the front and 50 the rest.

http://www.rightcool.com/

I use their cheapest real cool range..so far no prob..no bubbles when installing..already 1 year smile.gif
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QUOTE(sunauto @ Nov 18 2006, 09:55 PM)
I like Savvy's AMT version, something rare for a budget car and power to weight ratio, Savvy beats MYVI anytime but I wasn't a little comfortable with the interior, too much European feel I guess and the steering wheel could be better, looked worst than a toy car. I guess if Proton has an eye for details, they could make Savvy a winner, they just missed out some fine details of this car. I guess it's not too late, it could be done since cars get a facelift after a few years. Among the current Proton models, Saga, Gen 2  1.3, Satria Neo  1.3, etc ...... I guess Savvy has the best pickup among the lot and it's a zippy car for city driving.

So, to reset the ECU, can it be done by removing the battery terminal or it needs to be reset by the service centre?
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Yes it can be reset by that way no need to go to SC.
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Do you have any problems searching for a good set of performance tyres for your ride? I mean the Savvy has a pretty weird size for its tyres and most brands don't have performance tyres for this size. I'm not sure, that was what my cousin told. By the way, he bought a Savvy 2 months ago but most tyre shops don't have any performance tyres for this size. Any advice if my cousin is still using the stock rims.
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QUOTE(sunauto @ Nov 19 2006, 10:28 PM)
Do you have any problems searching for a good set of performance tyres for your ride? I mean the Savvy has a pretty weird size for its tyres and most brands don't have performance tyres for this size. I'm not sure, that was what my cousin told. By the way, he bought a Savvy 2 months ago but most tyre shops don't have any performance tyres for this size. Any advice if my cousin is still using the stock rims.
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For performance, the best tyres would be 195/45/15 if you stick to the 3% rules and use 15'' rims.. there's quite number of tyres of this size like the Falken.

The stock rims with 5.5'' width still can accomodate tyres wider than 175 stock. The tyres will stretched a bit to fit the stock rims but it will improve the handling and ride will be bumpier cos lesser flex..still it is advisable to upgrade to a at least 6.0'' rims if wanna fit in wider tyres.

Ugrading to 16'' rims will have clearance issues..still got people using 16'' after some mods.. I think 15'' is the best for performance, cos how much do you expect from a 1.1 NA car anyway...downgrade to 14'' if want comfort with higher profile tyres.

FYI, the stock NCT5 tyres 175/50/15 is easily available...not bad actually but tend to screetch when taking hard corners.
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oh my mistake what I meant was people ugrading to wider rims and still using stock tyres.. tyres strectched and improved handling.. still the stock rims would be able to fit a 185 or 195 tyres.. 185/45/15 tyres hard to find, 185/50/15 got but will have clearance issues.. stick to 195/45/15 there's lot of choice for this size, just ask your cousin to find smile.gif Toyo, Falken etc.
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Thanks for the tips Bro. Appericate it. My cousin rclxub.gif because most tyre shops can't advice the best tyres for his Savvy. If it is using standard tyres like MYVI / Yaris or Jazz, it will be easier but since you have provided some helpful pointers and tips, I'm sure my cousin will find this info pretty useful.



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oh my mistake what I meant was people ugrading to wider rims and still using stock tyres.. tyres strectched and improved handling.. still the stock rims would be able to fit a 185 or 195 tyres.. 185/45/15 tyres hard to find, 185/50/15 got but will have clearance issues.. stick to 195/45/15 there's lot of choice for this size, just ask your cousin to find smile.gif Toyo, Falken etc.
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thanks for the infos hypermount. I'm getting my tint soon. hehe..

anyway, another question though, i personally dun like the plastic interior, i wonder if anyone ever turn the interior into something less plasticky ? say, leather? or fabric? something like toyota's interior's fine, savvy is just too much plastics.. how much would it cost though?
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hypermount, the guy in Savoc not yet reply me but i hope you can - or at least give some info. biggrin.gif

i plan to get some body kits, there's one i like where that Flying Savvy guy posted. i just don't know where to get them. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Ripp87 @ Nov 20 2006, 09:09 PM)
thanks for the infos hypermount. I'm getting my tint soon. hehe..

anyway, another question though, i personally dun like the plastic interior, i wonder if anyone ever turn the interior into something less plasticky ? say, leather? or fabric? something like toyota's interior's fine, savvy is just too much plastics.. how much would it cost though?
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 21 2006, 02:35 AM)
hypermount, the guy in Savoc not yet reply me but i hope you can - or at least give some info. biggrin.gif

i plan to get some body kits, there's one i like where that Flying Savvy guy posted. i just don't know where to get them. biggrin.gif
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Flying Savvy?? I met that guy during a gathering in melaka, working in KL. That time he was doing his grill, yea he driving around without the front grill hehe.. and just installed the gen.2 front lips.

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front lips : 120 + installation -gen.2 lips
side skirt : 280 + 40 installation - R3 replica
painting : 200

He done one part at one time thumbup.gif

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eh - at least tell me where he got them la. biggrin.gif

and also, the blue savvy has white rims - does the white powder coat chip off easily? biggrin.gif

i'm thinking of changing to white Volks lookalike rims. i think it's JRD brand la. hehe.
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i like that article, n 4 the past couple of months, ive been hearing nuttin but good things bout savvy.. i think, i have 2 admit that 4 that kinda price, its an ok car.. sure, the styling's a bit odd, but so is the renault megane, but its the 2003 european car of the year.. i think those bashers r simply bashing it juz becoz of that lion green n blue logo stick in front of it.. if it were 2 have say a perodua logo instead, i bet things would be juz fine..

im not a savvy owner, n im not satisfied wit wat proton has come up wit these couple of yrs too.. but, i really think that we should test it n really listen 2 owners who have lived wit it b4 start bashing it like nobodys business.. dont juz hate it juz coz its a proton..


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cheers !
spot on brother .
really , we should bash proton but not the cars .
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cheers !
spot on brother .
really , we should bash proton but not the cars .
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Totally agreed...juz that it's supposed to be a tiger not a lion..... biggrin.gif

QUOTE(CooShyRee @ Nov 22 2006, 12:17 PM)
.. i think those bashers r simply bashing it juz becoz of that lion green n blue logo stick in front of it.. if it were 2 have say a perodua logo instead, i bet things would be juz fine..
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FYI, the while powder coating will chip off if you use a harsh sports rim cleaner spray like those Meguairs. For such sports rims, not advisable to use those sports rims cleaner type spray, they're too harsh for such rims especially if they were thinly coated.


QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 22 2006, 11:55 AM)
eh - at least tell me where he got them la. biggrin.gif

and also, the blue savvy has white rims - does the white powder coat chip off easily? biggrin.gif

i'm thinking of changing to white Volks lookalike rims. i think it's JRD brand la. hehe.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 22 2006, 11:55 AM)
eh - at least tell me where he got them la. biggrin.gif

and also, the blue savvy has white rims - does the white powder coat chip off easily? biggrin.gif

i'm thinking of changing to white Volks lookalike rims. i think it's JRD brand la. hehe.
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Heard a lof of bad stories about the JRD rims...the white rims are supposed to be better than the silver one dunno if true or not.

I dented my rim when driving over a pothole at hi speed once..absorber kong 3 weeks later , producing noise.. rim repaired..luckily nothing major on the other suspension parts.
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Whoahh ........ so fast dented? Will changing to better rims from Enkei solve the problem? Yeah, are there any performance absorbers for Savvy? I mean like those imported ones? rclxms.gif



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Those boydykits can get from any shops la smile.gif ..the R3  replica sidekirts he bought from Penang Brothers, the front lips in seremban.

Heard a lof of bad stories about the JRD rims...the white rims are supposed to be better than the silver one dunno if true or not.

I dented my rim when driving over a pothole at hi speed once..absorber kong 3 weeks later , producing noise.. rim repaired..luckily nothing major on the other suspension parts.
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QUOTE(sunauto @ Nov 23 2006, 08:29 PM)
Whoahh ........ so fast dented? Will changing to better rims from Enkei solve the problem? Yeah, are there any performance absorbers for Savvy? I mean like those imported ones?  rclxms.gif
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The most expensive forged alloy rims can't even escape damage from the pothole...go for ori enkei if got the money, should be better than the OEM one smile.gif.

I drive mostly on b roads, travelled interstate using federal roads, can't really do much to avoid all types of potholes manholes you could find on those kind of roads... for a 11+ month car with 22k mileage which can be considered moderately used, I think it's pretty impressive for having only 1 dented rim one time as the stock rims are said to be inferior (the rim brand) blush.gif .

the best still are the steel rims you found on cars like Saga, like our family's 19 year old, till now not a single dent thumbup.gif .
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I'm still using the stock rims and tyres btw.

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how much to tint whole car? say, black color? any jpj approved version?

How much is v-kool? any other brand offers same quality but cheaper price? how much leh?

help. thanks.
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have you guys done or considered doing sound insulation on your Savvy?
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im interested in savvy quite interested actually...whats the price for the manual version and how much dp do i have to put down to get this baby ?
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But thanks anyway smile.gif,are u using savvy azuma ?
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nope. but i will get it when i'm working next year.
zero kit sterling grey for sure icon_rolleyes.gif
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me thinks zerokit not worth it.

RM 3.5k man for zerokit, rims and ecotint. and the sports RIM is not any different in appearance compared to the stock rims.
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actually i think like that also. but a plain savvy sux doh.gif
need to put bodykit straight away. if not sakit mata when drive it.
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yeah due to im not working but my fiancee is working with below 1k salary,i may not get the savvy but for now im gonna get a kancil 660..smile.gif which i would share with her tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Nov 25 2006, 10:39 PM)
actually i think like that also. but a plain savvy sux doh.gif
need to put bodykit straight away. if not sakit mata when drive it.
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yeah. but after a while, i look at it without the kit the blue / black / grey looks quite ok

refer to Post #454

it's nice mah, but way cheaper.

get the parts individually and your own choice of RIMs then trade in your set of rims and do ecotint yourself (check out garage sale) still cheaper.

cos now AFAIK is RM 3k++ discount on Proton cars. so you can either look at it like giving the bodykit free, or you could look at it my way - get the stock unit RM 3k cheaper and use that money to spice up your car, end up it's still cheaper.

EDITED : oh another thing - the bodykit not on your car nmind - cos you won't see yourself driving it. biggrin.gif as long as everyone else put it then it's ok for you. haha.

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btw, which one is fun to drive. AMT or manual. right now, driving wira manual. boring already laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Nov 25 2006, 10:49 PM)
btw, which one is fun to drive. AMT or manual. right now, driving wira manual. boring already laugh.gif
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AMT!!! i'm getting AMT version.

tried it. love it.

btw there's no auto version of Savvy, auto as in AT. smile.gif even AMT is manual transmission.
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i know that. just i want to realx my left foot. maybe i can get AMT so my gf can drive it too.
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Nov 25 2006, 11:17 PM)
i know that. just i want to realx my left foot. maybe i can get AMT so my gf can drive it too.
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wah your gf only drive AT? smile.gif well that's very thoughtful of you...........

have a test drive of the AMT, it's really nice.
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Here's the latest pricing... rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(sunauto @ Nov 16 2006, 04:12 PM)
Well, Savvy is lighter, power to weight ratio, it has a big advantage over MYVI. Secondly, it is using a SOHC engine, it has better low end torque, city driving is excellent, cornering is good and firm.
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if i am not mistaken..savvy is heavier than Myvi.
anyone can clarify this ?

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specs are available at www.perodua.com.my and www.proton.com.my

you can check them out. both come to almost same weight, the savvy being a bit lighter in some cases.
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who own an AMT? wanna ask how much u pay per month. with & without bodykit. i calculate it using star online but i think right now proton have various promotion. so the monthly should change a bit.
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what's the DP, interest rate and # of years you're calculating from?
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erm...DP 5k, 4.1%, 9years. take a long time because i dont think i will change the car so fast. i'm not like certain person who love to change car often.

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unless you're ferrari (who was bought over by Fiat), you just have to make cars that sell, not cars that fun to drive but doesn't serve the majority.
we r customer not a car seller, .we buy the car to enjoy the ride..as long savvy can fullfill our satisfaction, its good to me....savvy is for niche market proton not only producing savvy model, they oso producing sedan ,hatchback,coupe model..

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Nov 26 2006, 06:23 PM)
what's the DP, interest rate and # of years you're calculating from?
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Depends on showroom. They can take as little as RM500

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erm...DP 5k, 4.1%, 9years. take a long time because i dont think i will change the car so fast. i'm not like certain person who love to change car often.
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U sure not 3.9%? I think its RM380/360/month for M transmission.


yes its a niche class car.
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9 years for a car ?
OMG....

this is maddness.....

my advice: maintain your ride now, save more and take a shorter repayment term....
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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 26 2006, 10:49 PM)
9 years for a car ?
OMG....

this is maddness.....

my advice: maintain your ride now, save more and take a shorter repayment term....
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u know what, i have to cut down for monthly. if u pay monthly with 700+ and ur salary only 1200, how u gonna survive? so the longer it takes, the lower i pay per month.

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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Nov 26 2006, 10:45 PM)
Depends on showroom. They can take as little as RM500


hehe. you mistaken my post. i'm not asking how much DP they're asking for. i'm asking how much DP Azuma would like to put for his car to facilitate my calculation. smile.gif

anyway based on my calculation with AMT + RM 3k discount and the details Azuma gives, i get about RM 442 per month.

anyway, i'm thinking of shortening the loan to 5 years instead.
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if u can pay 700 per month that ok isnt it. u can shortening it for 7/5 years. anyway, for me its worth to takes longer because i'm not thinking to change car often.
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yes. actually many times people say take longer not good cos you're giving the bank more.

but actually IMO it's a fair trade off. the longer the loan period allows you lesser cost per month thus improving your monthly spending power, some more they pay for you already. so the interest charged is fair.
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Nov 27 2006, 12:09 AM)
if u can pay 700 per month that ok isnt it. u can shortening it for 7/5 years. anyway, for me its worth to takes longer because i'm not thinking to change car often.
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the interest is gonna be like half the car value if u take 9 years...
that will allow you to buy 1 and a half savvy.....

yeah its a good car, but on your finance how ?

anything longer then 5 years for a car is a no no for me la...
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as i mentioned earlier, u can take 5years if u can pay 700-1000 per month.
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Nov 27 2006, 12:29 AM)
as i mentioned earlier, u can take 5years if u can pay 700-1000 per month.
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yeap i got you....
just letting my opinion heard

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QUOTE(kcng @ Nov 26 2006, 11:31 PM)
yeap i got you....
just letting my opinion heard

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haha..no problem. i know sometimes when we look at another aspect, taking long time loan is a waste, but it cant't be helped since we cannot pay high for monthly.

actually planning to take neo 1.6M. but i want to wait for new sedan model.

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Interest rates are killing us.. doh.gif

What do you guys think about used savvys? A year old car would cost around 28k. Which is pretty attractive. Any specific problem or issue to check out?
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Nov 27 2006, 12:34 AM)
haha..no problem. i know sometimes when we look at another aspect, taking long time loan is a waste, but it cant't be helped since we cannot pay high for monthly.
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yeah, because this is boleh-land.....
but seriously u should reconsider buying a car until you are better financially....

savvy is so far so good, but touch wood you get a lemon car, then u gonna have a problem also....

hehe...
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i've come by people who say take as long a loan as possible. and i've come by people who say don't bother buying a car unless you can pay it all off in 2 years.

so either way, it has it's pros and cons. sure, the interest is like nearly half the value of your car if you take 9 years, but as i said you get more spending power each month. so it's like either you
a) pay less per month, but more overall
b) pay more a month, but less overall.
c) any other more / less between points a) and b)
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QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Nov 26 2006, 11:34 PM)
actually planning to take neo 1.6M. but i want to wait for new sedan model.
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Don't think there'll be sedan version of Neo... sweat.gif

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What do you guys think about used savvys? A year old car would cost around 28k. Which is pretty attractive. Any specific problem or issue to check out?
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Is it that cheap??? Where did u find it??? drool.gif

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