btw soggie, the TUV audit on savvy is still under evaluation, till this day. I dont know whether savvy has passed all the test. Already you can see protong stamp all TUV certified logo to Savvy batches. Another con job by Proton?


anyone to prove me wrong?

um.. some obvious example I know..

The more ppl buy that model the cheaper will be for spare parts and maintenance. Car depreciation will be lower (which is a good thing) bcoz ppl still wants it. Thats for MyVi.

The less ppl buy that model the more expensive for spare parts & maintenance. Especially the AMT gearbox. ( i heard it cost a bomb to replace it ). Car depreciation is higher (which is a nightmare, unless you want to stay with the car forever, still maintanence will kill you). Thats Savvy.

I duno much abt savvy maintenance and parts but I DO know their 2nd hand value is gone. Comments?

The gov will not let go of tax eventhough P1 and P2 is gone? hello, are you okay? do u know why the tax even existed in the first place? If P1 and P2 does not exist, there is absolutely no reason the gov would impose 100-300% import duty on foreign cars. The NAP announced by the gov is rather pathetic due to the increase of interest rate. It seems that the gov will continue to support Protong to suck blood out of average Malaysians. That's not fine with me.

Bold step from Protong to introduce car differs than the market? I wonder if its bold or stupid. Every players in the auto-industry needs to meet market demands/requirements. That where they sell their cars, if's not like market demand A type and I build type B hoping it will sell. It's true that savvy is not bad or low quality as for matter infact it does not show savvy is a good car package for Malaysian either.

Agreed with the bold statement. The hatch is priced at 40k plus and ffs, dont come here and brag savvy's sportiness since you cant afford a better one.

hahah.. numerous issue on myvi? I dont remember anyone having serious problem with myvi. That depends on luck though. Care to explain the issue you can observe on myvi? Oh, some issue with brake and airbag? any proof? explain further or else I will deem you as raving moron.

We are talking about 2nd hand value here. Wtf with all these marketing strategy and advertising crap? you want to participate in an argument at least you DO SOME reading.

lol, what a loser. Why the hell do you quote soggie's post if you are not continuing his argument? admitting your mistake does not make you that bad, but trying to deny and twist your statement makes you a typical loser.

Btw, thats not econ knowledge, dude. Thats common sense. anyway,it doesnt matter now,I dont argue with idiots. It degrades me down to their level.

Joke of the day

Airbag is designed to cushion the blow from the car during an accident. It reduces the impact to vital organs, including head, neck, and chest. You claim it will not save lives? that's utterly bullshlt.

Hard shell would help but without airbags to cushion the blow away from drivers, it is useless.

Good handling is out of the question unless you are talking about accident prevention. Can handling help during an accident? No, please, god gives us brain then use it.

This shows how biased and pathetic you are to promote your Protong Savvy in the forum. How much Protong pay you uh? People buy Protong bcoz they have no choice, not because of the shlthole handling by Lotus. The govt protected Protong with taxes and duties is a good way to show Protong cars are inferior in quality than imports. Why brag about it, whereby the fact it is cheap and nasty on the inside.


Just by looking at it, it makes me wanna

Wow, you sound like you are comparing Savvy to a VERY old car. Fyi, those old cars aint equip with airbags you know. Your airbags-will-not-save-you argument is rather weak imo, if you trying to pull off a stunt here. Airbags ARE pretty much safety standard among all other car manufacturers in the world, with exception with Protong of course.

You still dont get it,dont you. You were mentioning about prevention there. That's before an accident occur, while we are all here discussing about 2.

1. Before an accident
2. During an accident
3. After an accident

Now tell me, how does the "superior handling" helps during an accident? since you mention good handling matters the most.

And you mind to tell me which car in Malaysia offers airbag but with weak chasis. The way I see it, cars being imported here are fully equipped with airbags with acceptable level rigidity. None of them are "soft cars" as you claimed. Or you are really comparing Savvy to a VERY old car. Which is a bullshlt

edited* for bold tags.

This post has been edited by nexona: May 20 2006, 12:10 AM

Define soft car. How soft is soft and how tough is tough? soft car with airbags? He did not mention about the car specification, speed, situation and road condition yet I m suprised you agree with him even without proper example.

First of all, there's absolutely no point to use the term "soft cars". There is a standard measurement on overall structure rigidity of a car, use that measurement instead.

Second, every car has crumple zones on its own. The main point is always concentrated on the safety of the driver. Airbag acts as intermediary between the driver/passenger and the cabin. I quoted your post because you agree with his baseless statement.

"A car with a tough chassis with correct crumple zones along with safety features is a safer car any day than a softer car with all the above mentioned. "

End of story.

There is a measurement for it. If you dont know,it doesnt mean it does not exist. (Read the technical papers, if you want to pull out anything) Again, I standby on my statement that "soft car" is too general to put into argument therefore it is pointless to acknowledge his statement .

Second, you jump into conclusion by saying airbag will not save lives if the cabin has been compromised. What will save lives if not airbag? You contradicted yourself by saying "airbag does not save lives" yet " a strengtened chassis is imperative for airbags to work properly". Work properly? for what, if not for life saving? to cushion the blow away from drivers/passengers. Perhaps you would want to crash test a car with a proper dummy without airbag. How about that?

Third, of course,I wouldnt need to find the word "agree" on your post to know that you acknowledged his statement. Fine,I ll pull out a dictionary for you.

a·gree Audio pronunciation of "agree" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-gr)
v. a·greed, a·gree·ing, a·grees
v. intr.

3. To come to an understanding or to terms:
4. To be compatible or consistent; correspond:
5. To be suitable, appropriate, pleasing, or healthful:

Finally, I bash whoever I want, whenever I want, anti-Proton or pro-Proton.

lol, another Joke of Day?

Strengthened chassis AND airbags ARE PART of Passive Safety Features. Why the hell you put airbags does not save lives if cabin has been compromised? my friend, do you understand that airbag reduces impact too? Airbag is a part of passive safely feature.. yo,wake up. Crash tests are compared, torsion strength and bending strength are calculated to determine the strength of a car, which is vital for LIFE SAVING. No?

For the Savvy part, I didnt focus on NCAP crash test instead of bending, torsion strength. The measurement remember? you said it does not exist right? in which you are totally wrong. (Did I not bold the text?) According to NCAP's website, Savvy has not been in an official crash test by the European automobile safety organization.

The soft part, again. Re-read my post again. It is pointless to compare Savvy to a "soft car" (lol,what a stupid term) with no specification/measurement whatsover and other factors into consideration. You are the one jumping into conclusion by agreeing with his baseless post.


Finally the bashing part, helloo.. we are on the Internet. and this is just text. Will text brings humiliation? talking about correct backings, I dont think you got one except for the active and passive safety features you pull out from the Internet and other than that,they are just pure gibberish. gosh,I didnt put my reputation on the line, unlike you for sure.

hey did u guys heard any case about stolen proton savvy? or the thieves dont bother to steal?

btw, I had a fren who bought a manual 2nd hand savvy (1 year) for just 25k.