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TShypermount
post May 11 2006, 11:01 PM, updated 18y ago

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Nmae, variant, transmission, colour, year registered, mileage, extra info
1. Benjamin1213, M-Line, Manual, Tranquality Black, Aug07, 2000KM as of Nov07
2. iman_210, M-Line, AMT, Tranquility Black, Sep06, 9000KM as of Nov07,*R3 Exhaust
3. gary_cheah85, M-Line, AMT, Apple green?, April06, 14200KM as of Nov07
4. Ripp87,Manual,Tranquality Black,Aug06, 22249KM as of Nov07
5. evoHahn, manual, silver,October 06, 25K km as of NOv07
6. zaqre, Manual, Blue, November 2005, 30k km as of Nov07
7 hypermount, oldline, manual, Dec05, 51000km as of Nov07
8. h_bib, M-Line, Manual, Apple Green, Jan07 , 33000KM as of Nov07,Zero Kit..
9. shikamaru5314
10.[ r u g a ]
11. blackorange
12. ApeKG
13. affiqzakie
14. toshio14
15. yoloko
16.death_nite
17.nizam80, Manual, Tranquility Black, Oct'05, 19200KM as of May'08.
18.mutt
19.khairi771117
20.Fitri@pitt,M-line-MT,Blue,Nov 2005,As of 6June,27000km
21.raynman M-Line AMT 2007
22.recojr
23.tesla_rage
24.edgeff
25.Mido_Ban
26.khan


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Savvy D4F engine repair manual
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Attached File  MRMOTD4.PDF ( 1.14mb ) Number of downloads: 1961


Manual Gearbox repair manual/JBx (Both savvy AMT and MT: JB1)
Attached File  JBxgearboxes.pdf ( 769.54k ) Number of downloads: 1738


Quickshift 5/AMT (JH1)
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Spare parts Price

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SAVVY fuel consumption
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Savvy NGV

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Thailand
http://www.protonclub.net/forum/index.php?showforum=10

Taiwan
http://www.pncl.com.tw/index.php/component...id,2/board,26.0

Taken from Savoc.net

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Just to share... when the Article from DRIVEN Magazine Issue 05 Page 73 praised Savvy about its R&H and being posted on AW forum by forummer, Savvy being bashed upside down by bashers (as usual lah) regarding the integrity of the Author. The Author from the DRIVEN magazine later counter post to clear the air (copy & paste from AW)  

During the flag off for the Speedball which was at around 10am we were
presented with some administration problems from our office. 3 guys had
to stay behind. That was I, the photographer and Jeff. We all had our
allocated seats in a nice Perdana and a Mercedes E280. By around 1 pm our
admin problems were not sorted out yet and we were further delayed cos it
was lunch time. So the other participants from the other two cars had to
leave. By this time most of the participants were already having their
lunch in the Gopeng/Kampar area.

By around 3pm I had to let Jeff go since he was also our event co-
ordinator. But there were no cars left. And the paper work on his 4x4 was
not sorted out let alone fit to run in this event. Without thinking we
had to borrow 2 cars from Proton Berhad since they were the Emergency and
Technical support. We had asked for a Perdana V6, the thought of driving
a Savvy for 2400+km, man that's crazy! So can you imagine our reactions
when they presented us with a Savvy? Our disappointment was obvious and I
had objected to the idea of driving 3 buff guys in a little car for
2400km. So for consolation they gave us 2 Savvys.

Not wasting anymore time Jeff proceeded leaving me and the photographer.

Were we bought up? No. As a new magazine we do not get much priviledge
from manufacturers. And if we were bought up they would have given in to
our request which was a V6 that we wanted.

Why would anyone stay back till 7.30pm to drive to Bukit Kayu Hitam?
Again our admin problems were not sorted untill around 7pm. It is 456km
from KL to Bukit Kayu Hitam speed around 110-120km/h, add 2 stops for
petrol and pee 15 mins each that will take us roughly 5 1/2 hours to
reach. So latest we had to leave by 6pm. The border closes at 12am and
only reopens at 6am. If we had miss that the rest of the participants
would be 10 hours ahead of us. Which we would have missed the event and
not get our story which we had been working on for months. But we could
only leave at 7.30pm. If I remembered correctly by the time we passed
NKVE Damansara it was 7.40pm.

Pedal-to-the-metal. Yes I admit to speeding. Don't we all once in a
while. So be it and send me the summons, I will take full responsibility.

Prior to all that I think the abundance of adrenaline came from the Big
Mac, large fries large coke and a Power Root while we were sorting out
our paper work. Hey I'm not blaming our diet for speeding but if you had
taken that amount of fat and sugar it will take give you the same buzz
too.

So while we were trying to burn all that we were V-maxing at around 140-
150km/h. It was on a normal Thursday so traffic was low, so occasionally
we had an open highway to ourselves. We pushed our speed up after Rawang.
And we were flat out in the poor little car. It was a MT. I thought we
were going to blow the gear box the way we were shifting. But the car
kept going.

We had our driving lights on so slower traffic were curtious to us and
moved left almost immediately. When approaching traffic we did slow to
120km/h and when clear we let rip to 170km/h. There were cars who
would 'run' with us for no apparent reason but we just stayed at 170 for
a long period of time. And either they could not be bothered to keep up
with us of got tired of the speed they dropped off. All this speed we had
to have petol stops. We had 2 stops. One after the second toll after Ipoh
and the other just before Alor Star. Each stop took about 5 minutes not
more. We did hold off the pee, well we took turns. One would pump and
other pee. We wasted no time. And we were using Smart Tag so it helped a
lot.

When we did our second petrol stop before Alor Star it was around,
hmm...11pm (don't hold it against me guys I will check our receipts,
still have it). I thought we weren't going to make it and thought it
would have been a wasted trip. But we pushed on shifting gear after gear
driving the car like we just had just stolen it until we reached the
border. By the time we had purchased our Third party insurance for the
car, check through customs, we made it through the border at EXACTLY
12AM. While taking a breather at the Thai border, Peter( photographer),
who had kept real quiet in the car all the way, lit a cigarette and
starts swearing at me in Cantonese just like what POWERHAUS had said on
page 1, t** n** m* c****...next time YOU DRIVE LIKE THAT.... I can't
remember much after that.

We immediately called the other guys who were already in Hadyai and told
them, " hey we made it!" Only to get the respond, "...why so late?! We
already had dinner!".

So the rest of the way from the border into Hadyai we did kept it within
speed limit, rest assure.

Why the long story? Upon our return I had related my speeding experiences
with Jeff and he had related me his comfort experience about the Savvy.
It was that we, non Proton car owners (myself a Kembara and Jeff a Mit
4x4), had under estimated this car completely. We initially gawked at the
car when Proton gave us the keys but came back ranting and raving about
it.

We were hugely impressed with its ride and handling, which is obviously
the work of the Malaysian owned Lotus Engineering division, that had
given it its stability in high speeds and on windy roads. Especially the
windy pass after Ipoh toll...Boy that car can handle and the twisty
highway 4 from Phattalung into Krabi. Supportive seats and all. Hard but
supportive. All in all we came back home to KL thinking about getting
this car for our wives but secretly for ourselves. Why? because we had
liked the sporty-ness to it. Above it all it was in our budget.

A week after the event we were still talking about the car so we decided
to write an article on it. So the Savvy article came out in DRIVEN
unplanned and unintentionally. So sorry for those those offended by our
passionate auto journalism style but I would suggest that you guys stick
with foreign mags and wait for one day that you'll have the opportunity
to go out and purchase a 250K VW Gti or a super hot hatch from Vauxhall.
But for now the Savvy has our praises not because Proton lent it to us
but based on the fact that this little car did not let us down in this
event. That's why in the title we said The Proton Savvy- The little
engine that can.

Thank you DRIVEN101 from DRIVEN Magazine 


Latest extract from AW responded by DRIVE101 from DRIVEN Magazine (another writer)

I'm Jeff the other writer on the article. Based on what we have read in
AW this forum is not a healthy one with the amount of P1 bashers. I too
have under estimated the car when the SAvvy was launched until we drove
one. The article speaks for itself. My job takes me into the jungle where
I have to organize 4x4 expeditions. My everyday car is my trusted
Mitsubishi Pajero. The Savvy is a serious contender for my wifes car.
What's stopping us from buying? Nothing.

But as for the forum we can't say much for these bashers. We don't know
who they are. The editor and I had to come in to see what the stink is
all about and to stand up for what we have written. And we stand by it.

We think the Savvy for this price is a good car.

The answer is no- we weren't paid by Proton.

Jeff Z


Driven March issue has Savvy on it. thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by hypermount: Jun 19 2008, 11:41 PM
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post May 12 2006, 03:07 PM

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Changing the auto gear box ino ther cars is cheap meh? it goes into a couple of thousands of ringgit..since AMT use exacly the same gearbox, changing the robotic cluth actuator is even cheaper than normal whole autobox

Typical basher la how do you know the second hand value will be low when I see there are more and more Savvy's..got that

Renault Clio wins awardsa again..and the D4F engine is a proven engine. Everything French is bad in the eyes of pommies...think global not just silly stuffs from top gear alone.


TUV will not simply let proton use it's name. sigh..same old stuffs used when

Later I post. So if you said like that means MyVI is totally a boring car la... only made to move people from point A to point B...like some jeremy said this kind of car has no souls.

later i post bz.


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RM200+ for original CVjoint driveshaft and RM195 for a whole set of rear lamp from EON... not a bad price it seems.
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post May 18 2006, 09:14 AM

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http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/car-review/1636308.aspx

OVERVIEW
Malaysian car-maker Proton has kicked more behinds than goals during its time in Australia.

The brand had some success with its Satria small car -- especially among devotees of 'hot fours', who went for the GTi version. It bombed with its Lotus-tweaked Waja, which was priced, let's just say, ambitiously. And its most recent Gen II small car hasn't pressed many emotional buttons out there in buyer land either.

Perhaps Proton's biggest success has been the Satria-based Jumbuck, which took up where Subaru's much-loved Brumby left off (albeit with two-wheel drive only) as a cheap and cheerful half-tonne ute.

The newcomer in Proton's Australian range, the cheekily-named Savvy small car (actually, it slots into the VFACTS light car category) arrives with unusual looks which you'll either like instantly or, probably, eventually. Lotus also has had some input into this car (Proton owns the iconic English carmaker) in terms of ride and handling, and some design elements.

Proton's also happy to highlight the fact that the Savvy carries certification from the internationally-recognised, German compliance engineering, testing and quality registration group, TUV Rheinland. TUV certified the overall vehicle and went through the whole build process, including the componentry suppliers to Proton.

Importantly, the Savvy arrives with a $13,990 pricetag for a five-door hatchback with five-speed manual gearbox and a solid features list. A similarly five-speed clutchless A/MT (automatic/manual transmission) version -- a first in this price bracket -- is $1000 extra.

Holden's Daewoo-sourced Barina three-door may lead the market at $12,990, but the Savvy offers five doors -- and a better standard equipment list -- for a grand. On the surface, impressive pricing...

Importantly, the Savvy claims hybrid-like fuel economy. Its combined city and highway figure is 5.7lt/100km, and the A/MT-equipped Savvy is said to deliver an impressive 4.5lt/100km, marginally better than the five-speed manual.

However, there's a sting in the Savvy's fuel economy tale... You'll read about it shortly.


FEATURES
The Savvy arrives in one model level only, the A/MT version being the only differentiator from the standard offering. Under its clamshell-like bonnet is a 1.2-litre, SOHC four-cylinder engine driving the front wheels.

Proton Cars Australia has chosen to equip the Savvy generously. Standard equipment includes driver and front passenger airbags, an anti-lock braking system, front fog lamps, parking sensors, CD player, power front windows (the side mirrors need to be adjusted manually, however), air-conditioning, remote central locking, 15-inch alloy wheels (the spare's a space-saver and is located under the boot floor) and decent tyres.

The driver's bucket seat offers fore and aft tilt via a big, triangular knob on its base. But don't look for steering wheel height adjustment -- it's not there.

In what we're told is another Lotus-inspired touch, the two main instrument dials are yellow-faced. Again, you're either going to love 'em or need to warm to them. At least they're different and add to the Savvy's cheekiness.


COMFORT
Inside, the Savvy is comfortable without being warm and inviting. The first things you notice when you open the driver's door are the grey-fabric trimmed seats -- with fine polka-dot inserts -- the hard plastic dashboard and, yes, those hard-to-miss yellow-face instruments.

Sit in the driver's seat, and you'll notice that it offers good support, both in terms of its cushion and the firmish lateral bolsters on the seat squab. The thick-rimmed plastic steering wheel feels good in your hands, too.

Both the above-mentioned attributes work well in combination with perhaps the Savvy's biggest plus ... it's surprisingly good ride and handling. (See 'On the Road' below.)

The car is roomy inside, too. Drivers and front seat passengers hovering around 183cm won't have too many complaints about head and shoulder room. Rear seat passengers of the same stature may be challenged for headroom, but legroom's okay, front and rear. We didn't get to sit on the rear seat for any great distance, but wouldn't be surprised if that thin-cushion, sat slap-bang on the car's raised floor, gets a bit wearing after a while.

The rear bench is split 50-50 and either or both sides can be folded flat by lifting the lightweight cushion up and swinging it forward, parking it against the back of the front seat. By removing the head restraint/s, you're than able to fold the squabs flat.


SAFETY
We've already mentioned the two airbags up front, which is good news. However, the not-so-good news is that the centre-rear seat belt is a lap-only item. Bargain basement price or not, this isn't really isn't on nowadays.

Proton also makes big claims for the Savvy's structural integrity, the car having achieved a three-star rating in the Australia-recognised Euro NCAP crash tests.

Active safety equipment includes the ABS braking system -- working on class-standard disc front/rear drum brakes -- and EBD (Electronic Brake-force Distribution). Both are generous standard additions at this pricepoint.


MECHANICALS
The 1.2-litre multipoint injection, four cylinder engine is sourced from Renault (as are both the manual and AM/T transmissions) and develops a modest 55kW of power at 5500rpm and 105Nm of torque at 4250rpm.
Proton says 90 per cent of the engine's torque is available between 1750 and 4250rpm.

The engine is Euro4 emissions compliant with what's said to be exemplary CO2 emissions of 118g/km.

All of which is well and good. The surprise, however, is in the fact that the engine sips only 95 octane unleaded, which can range from three to six cents a litre more expensive than regular unleaded. At those prices, filling the 40-litre tank will cost you between $1.20 and $2.40 more than regular unleaded. Small change maybe, but worth adding into your price of ownership calculations.

Gear ratios are identical in both transmissions, with fifth an overdrive 0.821:1 and final drive ratio of 4.214.

Suspension is pretty much regulation struts at the front with gas dampers and L-arms off the front subframe. The rear is a semi-independent torsion beam set-up, again with gas dampers.

Brakes are ventilated discs at the front and drums at the rear, with the aforementioned ABS and EBD systems distinctly worthwhile standard additions.


COMPETITORS
The Savvy arrives in the sharpest, most hotly-contested end of the market. Calling it cut-throat is putting it mildly.

In terms of its five-door competition, the Savvy's $13,990 gives it big bargaining power.

Of the major players, Holden's badge-engineered Barina is $14,490 and comes with power windows and mirrors, together with a CD/MP3 audio system but misses out on the Savvy's standard ABS and alloy wheels (they're part of an $1190 option pack). The four-speed automatic is a $2000 option. The Barina weighs more than the Savvy but counters with 22kW more power and 40Nm more torque.

Ford's German-built Fiesta costs $16,490 in four-door LX form. That's a big price differential in this end of the market, but it's arguably the best drive in the light car category. ABS and EBD is a $700 option, while ABS is packaged with the four-speed automatic as a $2200 option.

Hyundai's Getz also offers substantially more power and torque from its 1.4-litre engine (78kW and 144Nm respectively) but is a chunky 120kg heavier than the little Proton, and, in five-door form, $500 more expensive. ABS with EBD is part of the four-wheel-disc system on 1.6-litre Getz models which, in five-door form will cost you $15,490 for the manual and $17,380 with automatic transmission.

Closest in both engine capacity and claimed fuel economy is the 1.3-litre Honda Jazz GLi, which starts at $15,390 for the five-speed manual and $17,390 for the CVT automatic version. Honda claims a combined 5.7lt/100km from the manual and 5.8lt/100km for the CVT-equipped version. ABS with EBD is standard across the range.

Kia's Rio offers a class-leading 82kW and 145Nm from its 1.6-litre four-cylinder engine and a combined 7.6lt/100km from the five-speed manual-equipped $15,990 version and 8.6lt/100km from its $17,990 four-speed automatic sibling. The Rio weighs in at the bulkiest in this company, at 1215kg. ABS is an $850 option.

The perky Mazda2's 1.5-litre four-cylinder delivers 82kW and 141Nm. It's 135kg heavier than the Savvy, too, and offers a combined 6.6lt/100km from its five-speed manual and 7.0lt/100km in four-speed automatic form. The five-speed manual version of the entry-level Neo is $16,290, while the four-speed automatic is $18,140. A so-called Power Pack -- with power windows, body-colour mirrors and side protection mouldings -- is a $740 option. The worthwhile Power Pack Plus Safety option -- with ABS, EBD and EBA (electronic brake assist) plus side front airbags and curtain airbags front and rear -- adds $1890.

Toyota's Yaris five-door hatchback comes well equipped and starts at $16,190 with manual gearbox and $17,460 with four-speed auto. ABS, EBD and EBA are all standard equipment.

Like we said, hotly-contested!



ON THE ROAD
We can only tell you about the manual gearbox Savvy because there were no AM/Ts on the launch drive. First examples of the auto-manual were due in the country closer to the Savvy's April 3 launch.

Move out into the traffic, and you're in for your first surprise -- the Savvy feels reluctant to build speed. In fact, the engine feels as if it doesn't want to rev at all. You'd hope the engine would loosen-up with more kilometres under its belt. As is, we'd have to say that it felt decidedly sluggish, despite Proton's claims that the Savvy has one of the best power-to-weight ratios in its class.

The gearshift itself feels stiff at first, too, but the gate actually feels accurate and more satisfying than those in most small cars after you get the hang of it.

Head out onto a freeway, and the Savvy's reluctance to rev becomes even more apparent as its noise levels rise to a steady, obvious drone. It may be fuel efficient around 100km/h, but the Savvy doesn't sound happy at those speeds. Most drivers will find themselves reaching for the audio button... And the volume control.

Where the Savvy does shine, however, is when the going gets twisty and (surprise, surprise!) bumpy. Its ride and handling is well sorted, and even the relatively slow steering comes into its own. While it's no ball of fire between the corners -- especially in hilly conditions -- the Savvy feels sure-footed.

The Goodyear Eagle NCT 175/50 R15 tyres are well chosen, offering no-fuss grip and mercifully-quiet cornering in the tight stuff.

In short, the Savvy's definitely a city car that packs a surprise ride and handling punch. If only it had a free-revving, quieter engine to take advantage of its trump card ride and handling package.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Proton_Savvy__Review_5568065


At the other end of the scale is the Savvy's impressive ride and handling. Proton is quick to give their Lotus subsidiary all of the kudos. And why wouldn't you? The British icon has a solid reputation in chassis engineering. Compliant and controlled, the suspension soaks up bumps big and small, without upsetting the cars' composure. Its direct steering, while not feather light relays all the information you need. Yes the car is aimed at urban dwellers, but the grip and balance of the chassis make it an enjoyable drive along the twisty bits (some extra kilowatts would make it even better). Manufacturers of more expensive cars could learn a thing or two from the little Proton. Braking performance seemed up to the mark as well, a series of downhill bends not proving too tough. The standard ABS is a bonus at this price.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003090...030262,,00.html

The Savvy has precise steering and handles well, so it has the potential to cope with more power.


heck i can choose whatever i want to post..trust the biased bashers.

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post May 18 2006, 09:18 AM

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try to drive up to 130km/h in a kelisa, kancil and kenari..heck a turbocharged kancil could go 180 kmh .. only a person with balls of steel would go beyond that speed in those cars. you can hold the steering with a hand well beyond 170 km/h in a savvy..some dumb posts in the thread do not deserve a reply.
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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ May 18 2006, 09:35 AM)
I believe u making another dump post over here.

That because those cars are not designed to run above 120kmh and above.  Only a person with balls of steel will risk his/her life driving 170kmh in the savvy, endangering not only the driver's life but the other road users as well.

I believe ur post does not make any sense as well, so are you encouraging all drivers to drive above the highway speed limit? Oh god doh.gif
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lol you're making assumption..did i encourage people to go beyond the speed limit anywhere in my post? The point is stability at hight speed , Savvy is a great hiway cruiser like waja gen.2, at high speed you won't have that floating sensation like other cars., the steering and the car feels heavy..at 110 or 170 km/h it's ur choice... I think people is smart enogh 110kmh is the limit isnt it.. a big SIGH,
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QUOTE(cfyung85 @ May 18 2006, 09:57 AM)
thats y the way plotong advertise is to con those small kiddies only tongue.gif the use of comics, monsters, cartoons...WTH doh.gif advertise a slow tortoise as if it can outrace an F1 shakehead.gif i think even those pro street racer gonna laugh at how those ah beng fly their savvy biggrin.gif

anyway back to topic. i think savvy is nice if it is advertised in a more professional way like the myvi. no point showing how fast it can go n how thrilling it can be. what can people expect from a 1.2 engine? if for me basically i'll buy it n i'll drive it like a true tortoise tongue.gif
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the engine is good, the car is a good performer, just compare it with the new naza cars and wit h 1.4 engine. savvy owned both, best in its class.. and thats why the they emphasize on it...... i agree the comic ad is disastrous..
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QUOTE(Ken @ May 19 2006, 01:42 PM)
this remind me of a mail that i received where a horror accident happen in plus highway on the way to ipoh where a young driver crash his kancil to a bus and kill 2 girls inside...1 of girls suuffer face trauma which her face totally tear off(the photo might inside kopitiam)....and that is without airbag....

not to say airbag can save the girl if kancil has airbag, but without airbag, i can save chances to survive in that high speed crashing is 0%...
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The driver survived...look carefully at the pictures, we can't really tell if the driver was speeding or not..maybe's he's asleep and unknowingly swerved into emergency lane.. look at the extend of the injuries, even with airbags the girl will still die, cos the roof pillars collapsed winscreen killed the girls on the spot..

A soft car with airbags would not save your life, active safety features like hard shell monocoque chassis and good handling still matter most.

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dude.. wow thinking im stupid enough not knowing what is a crumple zone....a car when it's too soft it will kill its passengers in the event of an accident when engine is pushed through the firewall, airbags wil not save you.

What I mean tough chassis is - the cabin integrity is still intact if there's accident..the wrecked blue savvy is a fine example, people dismissed it as too soft but when looking at the pictures,the crumple zone works well, from inside and the cabin everything is still intact. i bet the driver walkwd away from the wreck alive.

Steering, braking, cornering, shifting, accelerating

[quote]I dont call recall good handling car saves lives. It is good defensive driving skills that saves lives.
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Maybe the feature is a wong word, defensive driving skill is part of active safety. Emergency braking, knowing what's happening infront of you first beofre making split second driving decisions is an active safety People tend to associate active safety features with electronic assistance lke EBD,ABS etc. Tough chassis, and good handling is part of active safety features also. Sharp handling wil enable inexpereinced drivers to counter excessive steers whne avoiding a road hazard. Savvy's good suspension ensures wheels are more likely to be in contact with the road surface and maintaining traction and contact all the time for greater control in steering, accelerting and braking.

Read more about handling and active safety.

of course if savvy got airbag it would be better

soft cars + airbags = ?
hard cars + w/o airbags = still better than above
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Owner survived just a lil bits of scratch..

http://www.savoc.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=147

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The car of course is a total loss - off to scrap yard.Only the front glass is tempered or the others were removed already...that's why tint your windscreens is a good idea. Wear your seatbelts guys, it saves life.
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Still people complaining about hard plasics...

I recently had the chance to drive in estima and Honda crv year 2003....same plastics eveyw..the plastic panels in the crv creak and rattle like there's no tomorrow although it barely reaches 100k km..

Look at new Civic..full of hard plastics also...even the most exp cars use the same materials beneath the nice misleading touch ups and finishings..

Car manufacturers ese days need to use this kind of recycyclable plastics to mantain complience with environmental laws.. if you miss the smell of vynil finishing just head to used car dealers.



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http://www.newcarnet.co.uk/Proton_Savvy_sh...ves.html?id=883

Proton's first five-door city car has plenty to plenty to recommend it. Above all, the Savvy is one of the most comfortable cars in this sector...
A cartoon tank? The styling is appealingly quirky, with a distinctive 'staggered' window line
I didn't expect to like the Proton Savvy. I'd heard some mumbled criticisms but, after a week of using it as my every-day transport, I've come to the conclusion that the critics are talking rubbish. If you want a comfortable, perky, stylish, affordable car (and we're talking as little as £5995, here), it has some amazingly good features.

Number one strong-point is the seating position and comfort, despite the lack of adjustment in the steering wheel. For a budget car, the seats feel great, while the natural alignment of steering wheel, seat and pedals means I remained perfectly comfortable on a three-hour journey - a surprisingly rare thing. In a badly-aligned car, your spine is twisted by reaching for offset pedals, or a weirdly-positioned steering wheel. No such problems here.

Number two plus-point is the gear selection - a truly satisfying, precise action. Shifting up and down the gears is something you'll actually enjoy, rather than battling with the soup-spoon-in-custard gearshift of many a cheap motor.

Number three is the handling. This is a tall-ish modern city car, meaning adults can sit in the back, yet the firm suspension means corners are dispatched with minimal body roll - so you take them faster, and need less acceleration as you come out onto the straight. This helps overcome the rather lacklustre 1.2 engine, which could perhaps be a bit gutsier. It goes quite well, better than many city cars when pushed hard, but you need to give it lots of welly as acceleration from low revs is not impressive. It needs to rev; it likes to rev; and it will happily do over 70mph in third gear. Keep the rev-counter (it's big, yellow, and very visible) hovering around the 4000rpm mark, and everyone's smiling. This won't do wonders for your fuel consumption, of course, which isn't the best in class at 49.6mpg (combined), but at least you have the choice of driving for economy or pushing harder, depending on your mood.

Just love those yellow dials!
Number four in my list of gold stars is the styling. Just look at it - it's a cartoon tank. Its appealingly rounded bullet-shape is faintly quirky without being styled to shock. (That heavy look around the front, by the way, is deceptive, as the steering is light and responsive.) The staggered window height is a distinctive feature, and perhaps contributes to the very low level of 'buffeting' when you have just one window open. On the downside, it makes it all-but impossible for the passenger to rest an elbow on the open window sill. Inside, I was very taken by the yellow speedo and rev-counter, a colour which seems mysteriously to fade when you switch on the headlights. Not to mention that the rear seats fold flat; and when parking, the reverse distance sensors are a bonus.

The bad bit - and it's a noticeable problem - is noise. We're talking road noise, wind noise and, battling to outdo both of these, the shrill, resonating boom of the engine at high revs. On my first day with the car I found it unbearable. But that was in test-drive mode, taking it up to the red-line around 6200rpm, at which point the din is enough to make your teeth bleed. But I ask you - when did you last take a car up to 6200rpm? If your answer is "I've no idea", I bet you never have. Most people would never get anywhere near these revs, as it's just not necessary in normal driving. Forget the test-driver's tick-boxes and ask yourself, "Is this a car I enjoy when I'm using it every day?" For me, the answer is resoundingly "yes". Any minor quibbles are overruled by the car's saving grace, namely that you won't need to visit an osteopath. That's what lets so many cheap cars down very badly. Not so the Savvy.
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F1 technology - AMT transmisson that is used in Savvy.

credit to Savvybaby

Magnetti Marelli powertrain states that it's systems are also used in the following models of vehicles :

Car Model ( name the system is called )

Alfa Romeo 156 ( 1997 ) + 147 ( Selespeed )

Fiat Stilo

Ferrari 355 + 360 Modena

1986 F1

Mercedes Sprinter ( Sprintshift )

Mercedes C Sport Coupe and CLK ( Sequentronik )

Renault Twingo Cinetic ( Quickshift5 ) as from 291002

BMW Series 3 ( SMG )

Aston Martin Vanquish ( ASM )

Maserati Spyder ( Cambiocorsa )

Proton SAVVY ( AMT )

The AMT in the SAVVY consist of transmission control unit, accelerator pedal sensor, engine control module,hydraulic power and oil pressure sensor, driver control device and rotation speed sensors.

The AMT does NOT need a conventional auto torque converter
or hydraulic drive.

It is essentially a "robotised" manual gearbox utilising electronically
controlled actuators to operate the clutch and regulate gear
changes without the power-sapping and weight penalties
of a fully automated transmission.

Fuel efficiency is good, not surprising since there are no power
losses.

The AMT manual gearbox changes gears rapdily in a sequential
manner ( a finger-flick away ).

In the manual mode M, the gear changes manually ( by the
driver's action ) or by default at 6,000 rpm.

With a kerb weight of 963 kg, the power-to-weight ratio is a good
78.3 hp / tonne

It is said to sprint to 100 km / hr in 14.4 sec and a top speed of
170 km / hr , 12.6 for the Savvy MT.

The engine of the SAVVY is the same as the Renault Clio 2001 1149 cc model.

The SAVVY engine is a single overhead valve unit with 16 valves and multipoint injection.

It delivers 74 hp at 5,500 rpm and 105 Nm at 4,250 rpm and complies with Euro 4 emission standards.

The SAVVY chassis uses high tensile high strength HTHS steel
of 17K Nm torsional rigidity. This gives the monocoque shell body structure approx 3 times the body rigidity of the Proton Wira. SAtria Neo is 13300Nm.

The AMT offers instant responsiveness and excellent fuel economy

The AMT offers 2 driving modes according to driver mood, needs
and prevailing traffic conditions.

Automated D mode is recomended for city traffic jams or long distance comfort driving. The manual M mode is for spirited enthusiast drivers who
wish to take control ... especially in accelerations and through
serpentine winding roads.

The AMT has a creep function when the brakes are released,
which is good for parking and traffic queue (makes the car move slowly forward or backwards to help with parking).

The AMT prevents stalling as well as under- and over- revving,
improving safety and reducing the risk of damage to the gear
transmissions.

There is an automatic "kickdown" function for easier overtaking
This gives the SAVVY AMT a slight edge over the SAVVY MT
for overtaking at highway speeds.

The engine always operates in it's optimum rev range, ensuring
responsive yet refined driving.A normal Automatic car suffers big power loss due to the torque
converter ... leading to lack of response to the throttle position and
shift level changes.

The SAVY AMT is less noisy than the SAVVY MANUAL because
shifting of gears is at lower revs, so noise is less intrusive
As for fuel economy ... the SAVVY AMT is 5 % better than SAVVY MANUAL

The SAVVY AMT has 5-gear ratios in BOTH automated and semi-auto
manual modes ... ensuring maximum responsiveness and fuel
economy at all times

The AMT improves the transmission and clutch life-spans
Apart from improved driver comfort and safety while driving,
the AMT gives lower operating costs through reduced stress
on drivetrain components
No external cooler is required and there is no clutch pedal

Generally speaking ... the flawless shifting of gears in the AMT gives it an approx. 10 % to 15 % better fuel
consumption compared to a FULLY AUTOMATIC CAR

With the AMT's higher torque capacity and FUN to drive benefits,
it is no wonder that young and young-at-heart drivers prefer
this hot zippy driving experience


Due to the computerized clutch control with precised timing, shifts
are much quicker than any average driver can ever attempt with a
normal manual gearbox and foot-operated clutch
The computer features some form of fuzzy logic which allows the
automated mode D to adapt to your driving patterns.


The AMT has a fully programmable, electronically controlled gear
shifting for optimal vehicle performance, giving increased engine
durability and improved NVH ( noise-vibration-hardness )characteristics.

Renault has spent years refining the system, which first appeared
in Formula One cars but has slowly filtered down to everyday
family vehicles.

The SAVVY front suspension uses a dual path mounting MacPherson
strut for enhanced straight line stability

The rear utilizes isolated trailing arms on torsion beam axle for a
competitively higher level of comfort and reduced road noise

The TCU program in the AMT can be programmed to
sporty, standard ( default ) or economy

The Proton AMT is unique and unlike other similar systems in that
it allows DOUBLE gear changes
by flicking the gear stick forward or backward TWICE
( as long as the momentum of the car allows the gear changes
to do so ... eg from 5 to 3 ... or vice versa )



In the UK, sequential gear-boxes like the AMT type is sold at
half-price as compared to a standard automatic transmission
gear-box.

The D4F Renault engine as used in the SAVVY is one of the
most bullet proof of the entire Renault small engine range


The Renault Quickshift5 ( same as the AMT ) has already got a
proven track record of 2 years in Europe without much problems


The SAVVY feels like a big car ... continental stable feel
and is good for out-station drives ... especially
along serpentine winding roads .
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Not all transmissions are made equal. SHANNON TEOH and JEREMY MAHADEVAN clutch at... clutches.

MALAYSIANS are a family-loving bunch. Children of all ages are still made to observe Father's and Mother's Day with brunches, hi-teas and whatnot, all at their parents' expense. If that isn't love, what is?

Reciprocally, parents are always protective of their children. They send their children for tuition, they give duit raya and buy cars with the little munchkins in mind.

This is regardless of how little they earn. The family must have a car, if not two, and they must all cater to the possibility of four, if not five, needing to be shuttled somewhere.

So when the Perodua Myvi was launched, it sounded the death knell for cars like their very own Kelisa and Kancil, until then, the standard bearers of economy cars.

At the same time, it ensured that the race to buy a Proton Savvy, was nothing more than a false start. Just after the launch, the waiting list for Myvis stretched up to eight months, whereas one of us actually put in an inquiry for a Savvy, and was told that the wait would only be two weeks long.

Exactly how many mothers were going to put their little tykes in the back of a car whose entire ad campaign was based around being part of a comic? Exactly how many of those mothers were planning to be in an accident in the first place, to test if the car was really 'built tougher than you think'?

For most of them, the Myvi's larger size meant everything. It was more 'practical' even though it could cost up to RM4,000 more than its Savvy equivalent - that is, by leaving out the 'never going up Genting' 1.0l Myvi and matching the 1.3l Myvis with the 1.2l Savvys manual to manual and then automatic to AMT.

And at the end of the day, should a collision ensue, the availability of airbags in the premium spec Myvi would seem far more assuring than 17 squigllion Newtons per millimeter or something of torsional rigidity even if it meant forking out nearly RM50,000.

After all, they were never going to be driving fast enough for the wobbliness of the car to became a safety factor. This however, is where all the good bits of the Savvy lay - exactly where most family-oriented buyers' blindspot is.


But here's the fact of the matter. For a five-door supermini hatchback, the Savvy isn't that tight a fit. It's got a cubbyhole of a boot but you can fold the rear seats of course and get a very decent amount of travel essentials in. It's not as noisy and fidgety as the Kelisa or Kancil and it's got a pretty decent Clarion sound system. So it's nearly perfect as a city runabout and for a two-person road trip too.

It's never going to travel with five like how the Myvi possibly could, but you'll travel with two or three with a good deal of fun for the driver.

You'll never want to drive a Myvi but you may settle for a Savvy with its smart-ish looks and smarter handling. Well, smarter on the manual at least. Sounds odd? Well, it did to us too when we spent a weekend trying to figure out if we'd go for the manual or fish out about two-and-a-half grand more for the AMT.

Automated Manual Transmission is all that abbreviation stands for. And this is what it is - a manual gearbox with a little robot monkey doing all the clutchwork for you. The fact that the throttle is by-wire also allows it to blip the engine for you. That's either a good or a bad thing, depending on how you look at it. It does howl gloriously though.

Although it downshifts cleaner than the majority of drivers will ever do, upshifts are a different matter altogether. Most automated manuals require an easing of the throttle during upshifts to keep proceedings smooth, and the AMT is no exception, but while this is something that you could get used to, the lackadaisical manner in which the shifts occur is another matter altogether. You just know that you can shift faster if left to your own devices.

The weight and motion of the gearstick as you manage your way around the ratios is rather pleasing though, unlike, perhaps, the rest of the brittle, plasticky cabin, fancy hand brake aside. But hey, it's an RM40,000 car. The little bits of rubber available were already a surprise.

In auto mode, however, the AMT acquits itself quite well. It isn't entirely silky and it sometimes gets a bit muddled, but it works exactly as touted - it's more responsive than a torque converter, so it's definitely the driver's choice, and the trade-off in comfort isn't unreasonable. It resides in a precarious sort of limbo, though, because people who are used to autos will probably find it a bit annoying, while people who really want to drive are going to lust after the manual.

It's faster, to begin with. Proton's own figures credit it with a 1.8 second lead to 100km/h over the AMT, and in the real world this difference is very palpable. Because you can actually light up the manual's tyres on take-off you get a head start that will even make up for a couple of bungled shifts.

The manual just makes better use of the car's 74bhp and 105Nm of torque, although you're likely to expend more fuel in the process, and the boomy engine note lends no pleasure to hard driving. The clutch pedal travel is also overly long and the take-up point is overly short and strangely high, resulting in tall people having to drive with their left legs in their chins.

They ought to have improved overall pedal positioning to make things like heel-and-toeing easier. Some adjustability to the steering wheel position would have been welcome too. It's all in the little things, and on this front the manual falls short.

Ergonomics aside, handling-wise the two cars are pretty much, well, different. The manual was perkier, with better turn-in and slower build-up of understeer. This is curious, firstly, because the two cars ought to be well nigh identical. So at first we thought that this might be down to an age difference between our two testers, and we were right, in a wrong sort of way.

Turns out the manual was older and had just over 21,000km on the clock, whilst the AMT had only clocked somewhere above 9,000km. Even more puzzlingly, the manual was clearly in need of a good servicing - the alignment in particular needed looking at, since the steering was wriggling like a living thing at high speeds.

So after all our investigations we have to concede that we're not entirely sure what was up with these two cars. A lot can happen to a car in 9,000km, so it's possible the AMT example was simply driven with less mercy than the manual - after all, print ads said that you could chuck the car into M and the car will conquer, and we know that even great conquerors like Alexander and Caesar suffered losses.

We're still entertaining the possibility that the mismatched wheel rims Proton supplied us with might have been responsible, except those appeared on both cars.

So, conclusions? Because of its inherent flaws, the manual might be more amusing initially, however, if you had the RM42,000 (or a grand more for metallic paint), the AMT will be a better long-term prospect. Slower, yes, but less of a pain, especially in traffic and hey, that gearstick is a load of giggly fun.
lol..read the bold and coloured one.

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Some proton with waja bodykits and Gti spoiler..

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Yes AMT is fun..chassis is tough you dun even need strut bars..only 3 tyres stick on the road when coming down from genting..

Tried before going up genting with 5 adult person with luggage + R3 muffler - but quite slow la.

Fuss-free fun

http://thestar.com.my/lifestyle/story.asp?...&sec=lifeliving

Everyone knows manuals are fun but a pain in traffic, and autos are easy but boring. HONG BOON HOW discovers how you can have the best of both worlds.

IF you happen to see the Proton Savvy on the roads these days, the little hatchbacks will probably be zipping around in city traffic before you lose sight of them.

You would probably have guessed that these drivers were exploiting the car's hidden talent – its sporty handling and agility. It was a talent that became evident when the car was first launched.

But the lack of an automatic gearbox option for the Savvy was one reason that initial sales did not quite meet its makers' expectations.

With the recent introduction of the automated manual transmission (AMT) gearbox, that part of the issue has been addressed and driving the Savvy has been made easier.

To put it simply, the AMT works more like a five-speed manual transmission but without your having to depress the clutch pedal – because there isn't one.

The AMT uses actuators to release and engage the clutch and change gears as well, automatically.

The beauty of the AMT is that it uses a dry clutch plate that minimises power loss during gear changes compared with the conventional automatic transmission that uses viscous couplings.

For more control, just flick the shifter to manual mode and push the stick to “+” to shift up and “-” for a lower gear ratio.

A digital display on the instrument cluster will tell you what gear you are in or whether you are in automatic mode.

We decided to have fun with the Savvy AMT by taking a drive up to Genting Highlands recently.

Anyone who has driven up to Uncle Lim's hill resort often enough will know that the unwritten rule is that if your car is not fast enough for the right lane, you should move to the slow left lane used by other slowcoaches, like the tourist buses or construction lorries.

Well, there was no need for any of that with the Savvy AMT.

Savvy AMT's gear shifter allows the driver to choose between automatic/ manual, neutral and reverse positions.
We went into manual mode and selected 2nd and 3rd gears to keep the peppy 1.2-litre Renault engine revving around 5,500rpm for maximum performance.

The fun was seeing the surprised looks on the faces of people driving more powerful and expensive cars as the small hatchback out-climbed them.

I remembered overtaking one guy who was blasting up the resort hill with his sixth-generation 1.6l Honda Civic.

On a level straight road, we knew that his Civic with its powerful V-TEC engine could easily out-run and out-accelerate the Savvy.

But, on the winding and steep roads of Genting Highlands, the Savvy AMT beats the Civic.

When we overtook him on one of the sharp and steep uphill turns, we caught a glimpse of his shocked-look on his face - his jaw dropped and the cigarette which he was smoking almost fell off his mouth.

The Savvy's well-controlled body roll during the mad dash up the Genting Highlands inspires confidence and encourages you to push the car to its limits. We were actually wishing that every corner would be steeper and sharper than the last.
The Lotus-tuned suspension system and stiffer chassis (Proton claims that Savvy's chassis is stronger than any Proton models to date) result in well-controlled handling and cornering capabilities.

These, in my humble opinion, enabled the Savvy to take sharp corners like a cat. Its ride is firm without being too harsh.

The last time we had this much fun with a small car was with the 1.6-litre Citroen C2 which had a Sensodrive gearbox (Citroen's version of the automated manual transmission) but that was in a package which costs close to three times more at RM135,000, albeit having more power.

When it comes to the fun-to-drive factor, we can say that the Savvy is in a class of its own, easily a more thrilling to drive experience than any other compact cars of the same engine size.

Put the AMT system into automatic mode and gear changes can smooth once you adjust your timing in easing off the throttle during a gear change and then powering up once the car is in a new gear.

It's not quite as smooth as a conventional automatic transmission but isn't too far off and a relief during traffic jams.

Being a compact car, the Savvy's interior still offers reasonable room for adults although those sitting at the back seats will have their heads close to the ceiling.

Another thing that we liked about the Savvy is that its large headlights are not just for aesthetics, but throw out brighter light than most early generations Protons.

The Savvy AMT comes with an on-the-road price of RM42,916.






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QUOTE(Kyoshiro @ Aug 15 2006, 01:17 AM)
Well, is lambo or ferrari some perfect cars? come on... nothing is perfect... not savvy not myvi either... It's just the matter of fact that how ppl think of the products, they like it, they trust it, they buy it. Think twice y myvis fills the street but not savvy? Ppl even willing to wait 9 months for myvi. the question is y? Why choose myvi over savvy? It's not that nobody buys savvy, some would buy it for some reasons. Maybe becoz it's built tough? Or maybe bcoz ppl trust proton. And y comparing merc or other cars with a national car? Comparing 1.8l engine with a 1.3l engine isn't fair but comparing merc with national cars is alright?  blink.gif
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The brand nearly kill savvy during launch..some people just can't accept it when somebody went passionate about their writing on savvy

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we are just giving our opinion on the exaggerated review made....zzzzz.. maybe u think the savvy can really beat the honda hands down going uphill with the driver in the car so shocked untill the jaw drop with his ciggie going to fell off from the mouth ..


Is passionate journalism a sin..maybe he's trying to emulate jeremy clarkson..

Why say vios is better than gen.2 when it has only torsion beam setup for its rear suspension ( I read some girl said vios is sportier and better handler in some other proton bashing thread in kopitiam)...cos of brand perception mah.....I think they're just plain bland when comes to passenger cars..

waja 1.8 was a rush job trying to mate mitsubishi transmission and renault engine..the mismatch caused a lot of electrical & eletronic problem like faulty gear sensor.. Savvy on the other hand is a different story altogether..they have planned carefully right from the beginning developing the car around the renault engine..we seldom hear hear Savvy had engine failure or stranded by the road side.no I think it'a zero case more like it.

.people bash Kenari from beginning becos of the non conforming look - sales was lacklustre and look at how the model fares now...Savvy is a solid product without any major problems and I can foresee the sales will improve..

Europeans also can make excellent engines wat...for example, compare to the japanese, they have the better lines of diesel engine.

On the topic - from all the reviews from abroad and local - I think we can sum up Savvy is one of the better handling car in the market with unforgetable drive experience,


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Savvy's parts price

1) Wing mirror (entire unit) = RM 122.70
2) Air filter = RM 113.94
3) Oil Filter = RM 34.01
4) Tranself gear oil 75W80 (1L) = RM 44.66
5) Front headlight = RM 346.42
6) Rear tail Light = RM 195.27
7) 3rd brake light = RM103.70
8) Speedo meter (UK version, part# PW865651) = RM436.10
9) Timing Belt kit with bearing (part# 7701473001) = RM516.74
10) Radio Antenna (part# PW851932) = RM167.00

Oil & air filter change is 20k km..there's much cheaper aftermarket air filter like washable redline..I feel it's the most pricey in the list...the gear oil is 40k and timing belt 60k..the gear oil is synthetic needs 3L..got cheaper alternative I heard owners use Tranself mineral type instead.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Aug 15 2006, 03:18 AM)
btw hypermount, since ur the Savvy expert here - do you happen to know if there's any  bodykit for savvy that looks decently nice yet not as expensive as the ones that come with the Savvy + Bodykit?

i mean the bodykit version comes like RM 3k more than the one without it. sad.gif one could get a custom made bodykit for probably around half the price.
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Here's one for RM550 without paint! got from seller at zth forums.

The material is rigid PU.

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You can use Honda Jazz and waja bodykits also..and I saw one owner in real life use gen.2 front lips not bad..very cheap RM120+ without paint.

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This one use waja frontlips and gti spoiler and side skirts.. all for abput Rm700 only wiht paint thumbup.gif

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