Long road.... long road.....
if long road... all cars also can right ?
hmmm....

i really hope his wife went and bought one, then he will know..

savvy, tiara replacement konon. national car that has the worst 2nd hand value. hopefully this won't happen to his beloved little savvy. anyway, good luck Jeff 

hmmmm... actually how much is the savvy now? btw how is that handling of that car?

I guess many of you are missing the point. The main grudge against that review is the dangerous way they carried out the review. So farking what if savvy can hit 170km/h? My waja and Gti can do that easily too. So can any car, given the right conditions. And the highway is not your place to do such tests.

RM150 is all you need to take it down to the track, and in real life nobody carries the car to that kind of speed all the time. Imaging the wear and tear involved! Real cars need good torque, one that the savvy is lacking. Also, the quality issues have not been addressed.

No matter what they say, its not really an honest review. More like an ignorant review.

Exactly my point. Both are made to satisfy different markets. Just so happens that the "comfort" market seems to be the majority, and the MONEY goes to P2. P1 gets to kick its CEO and swallow its words. That's the real world - unless you're ferrari (who was bought over by Fiat), you just have to make cars that sell, not cars that fun to drive but doesn't serve the majority.

Bad planning on this one, Proton.

I'm a basher, but I don't think you even know why I am bashing Proton.

We are talking about 2nd hand value here. Wtf with all these marketing strategy and advertising crap? you want to participate in an argument at least you DO SOME reading.

lite'en up guys. some bashers are not wrong either, there are senseless bashers who bash for no reason at all while there are bashers who actually bash with facts.

learn to view more openly, the bashers DO have their points if you're actually WILLING to see.
heh...... that's the thing they missed with Savvy. IMO it was a good car spoiled by bad timing, advertising and perhaps pricing (yeah, marketing strategy)

lol, what a loser. Why the hell do you quote soggie's post if you are not continuing his argument? admitting your mistake does not make you that bad, but trying to deny and twist your statement makes you a typical loser.

Btw, thats not econ knowledge, dude. Thats common sense. anyway,it doesnt matter now,I dont argue with idiots. It degrades me down to their level. 

A politician and a common serial killer can both say "I'm a killer" and it will ring true but on different contexts for both parties. I'm a basher, but you're quick and insistant to label me along with those that bash just for the emotional fun, those that lack points and facts to back up their statements. That's your view, so none of my business, but well if you conveniently ignore all my points and choose to ridicule me based on your own stereotype, then sorry girl, you're just fighting the straw man war.

Economy I understand, and I understand selling as to the marketing, advertising and timing too. And guess what, the pathetic sales number of Savvy has to do with all of the above mentioned factors. The product itself is a worthy car for a niche market, and a niche market aint what Proton needs right now. The GTi and SRM is sufficient to satisfy such markets. Sadly, the former CEO who was a racer first and an engineer second, did not seem to realize this.

So tell me, how will Savvy do any good to Proton at all? Remember, we still need to work on the export market.

yes, but the thing is here's how a lot of people 'DEFEND' the object of bashing - they'll say "you haven't try it...... don't come saying it's bad" or similar phrase, which is ridiculous.

that's why we have forums, for people to ask around. information could come from other source, one does not need to OWN a particular item to have knowledge of it's pros and cons.

same goes to computer parts - you don't need to own everything to know the pros and cons. however just be wiser it 'accepting' the words of others, cos some are bashers while others could be reliable sources.

Reviews are not bad, undeniably. But remember, these reviews come from local magazines. Local people who have lived their whole lives with the inferior quality of Proton, thinking that that's what the international standard is.

I MAY agree with you IF proton is the world's top 5 biggest car manufacturers.