dark interior is mean for UK market ,
their taste is not toward beige coulour .

cheers !
spot on brother .
really , we should bash proton but not the cars .

u can actually buy the 1 year old savvy at much cheaper price !

the war between savvy and myvi is really a tough one , it can even last for ages .
for 1 thing i would like to say , both are different car build at different plant for different preference .

the thing is like this perodua myvi certainly got the easier to look view , and proton savvy certainly looks different . maybe many will say this ,'wah , savvy with bodykit much hotter than myvi' but bear in mind , yes we are talking about that , we are talking about bodykit , but the first thing ppl will think in mind is the original work of the car .

second thing is , ya. i have to admit myvi is bigger in size, and savvy is smaller. althought both feels exactly the same more and less size difference except when it comes into the business of headroom . the myvi has advantage due to its tall headroom , and it looks bigger due to the proportion of the car where u can see there is a wide body look alike . savvy looks different due to its stupid look , and the rear desgin makes it look smaller than it actually is , park an iswara beside and u will see how big the car is . i dont see any reason why ppl still argue on the size of myvi and savvy . but savvy does look really different , it might not looks special , but the buttock is really not a good thing . where to get a customer when the first impression is not 'wow' but 'yerrr' ...

over all , myvi has a great interior but wide use of plastic bins dashboard , and savvy has a so so interior but with wide use of slightly better texture plastics in the car , that makes the difference . i dont mean to bash savvy designer , but the interior of savvy especially the door panels looks sick. but no one will bother the perodua myvi interior or interior once u get used of the car .

another thing is the car , both car the engine and body is mean for different busines . yes u got the car , the savvy , it is a good handler . but why is there someone still saying ,' ya , myvi can be a good handler too , with struts bar and sports suspension..' this is the same argument where savvy supporters are saying , add bodykit to make savvy looks cool , and myvi supporters kiasu abit saying add more brace and struts to make the myvi drives great .

the reason myvi sells well is becaue it is suitable to the general public taste . most people in malaysia , they wants a car where it has space , cheap , and reputable , myvi has it all , it looks slightly bigger , it has price advantage with proton , and it has a toyota built engine . i do admit that myvi looks better , but it drives without soul , u feel the engine trying to struggle above 140(i was told) and the car feels unstable through corners , it feels like a box with an engine. on the ohter hand , savvy feels like u can really get yourself inside the car , like interconnected with the car , it feels alive , that the the perfect thign of proton savvy, u feel the soul , the engine , and the road , and u would feel that taking more and more and more corners everytime u exit the highway . but savvy doesn't really fit into the criteria where people hunts for a car , i mean , ya ... most of it's RnD is into the chassis developement , until they dont have much left to do the door panel hence they came out with stupid door panel design , but most people in malaysia needs a car which is a bit bigger , cheap and reputable , and proton fits it with a very debatable engine , the renault french engine . when people say cheap , it doesnt mean u have to consider what it is RnD in , no body will bother u when u say ... ' ya uncle , it is cheap becasue the chassis is so rigid and RnD of lotus' . i have to say , at this segment it isn't really a criteria for people to buy car in malaysia . proton has made a mistake this time in malaysia, it doesnt fit into any criteria where people needs on a car , especially u have a proton myvi as competitor . strong chassis and good handling might be a good selling point , but at this level , it is not the criteria and it is not what people needs for a car at 40-50k range . perhaps beasue they aim it to sell overseas more , so maybe it is not a mistake .

it is like a lady . myvi is plump , looks okok , where general ppl would accept her look , but she looks normal , and she got normal personality as most girls has , nothing much special , most important , she loves kids , she is almost good in every aspect . while savvy is like another girl , she looks ok , distinctive , with huge ear rings , got some tatoos at her buttcrack( just liek what proton savvy has so many design flaw , the butt) , she is an athlete and she got her own personality well , not well accepted by public , but will have her own fans or admirer .

the answer is easy , u would like to have a girl which looks and have normal , acceptable personality and style . or you would like to have a girl which has her own and style in another way .

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Feb 21 2007, 01:08 AM

ya, i agree with u , but that is the second thought when it comes into my mind . kekek .
the thing is , if u enter the gen2 or a myvi , u will feel like entering the myvi more . becasue 1.3 for myvi is the higher spec , it comes with cd player , a more normal dashboard , a door panel which is good , plus ! the air inside is bigger .
for gen2 , the 1.3 is smaller , comes with campro engine , only automatic offered last time . with stripped off trimming . and the dashboard is not so good , i mean , u dont have the glovebox or place to store your stuff . that is bad .
ya , 1.3 gen2 has good handling . but where to get enough power to enjoy handling when the weight already 1.2ton which is pulled by a 80-90bhp engine .
that is a major turn off . if i were a person to choose , i will choose over myvi .

in long term u will find that the savvy is a slightly longer lasting for long usage . i dont mean for general purpose . but when u are owning the savvy u will find that most of the good points of the car is hidden beneath . ok , the seat , it is a seat where multi-hardness foam injected type , that is why you enjoy sitting on it more than myvi seat . fabric of the savvy is better . the ride and handling , FC and engine feels more alive .... and during the night , u will find yourself driving more comfortable with the xenon powered headlamp .
compared to myvi , it is different type of league .
myvi sells well becasue it fits and it knows what customer needs . most people dont really car how good is foam injected seat is , so they comes out with normal type , it is exactly the same , but maybe not as so comfortable , but if it is good for normal use and general use , then it is enough already . the handlign , it is bad , ya ... but suitable for most town use and urban use , that is what exactly what people use everyday .
just like when u see the spec , would u like to drive a car with low-FC at town , high-FC on highway ; or high-FC at town , low-FC on highway . considering u are the one who spend 70% of time in city , which one would u choose . i bet most pople spend more time in city .

that is what proton waja campro and mitsubishi engine is abut , campro is high-power band engine compared to mitsubishi engine is low-powered engine . most people feel like going back to the mitsubishi engine becasue its torque is available mosto f the time at low 2700rpm , compared to campro highly powered at 4000rpm for max torque . ya , i do admit on highway , u will feel like driving campro more , i drove one , i admit the power is good , overtakes like nothing . but i prefer the mitsubishi engine becasue i spend most of my time in town , and i would like the enigne to have more power at low-end rpm level .

that is what proton is losing , they are building a car where not fits general taste . it isn't a bad car either , just becasue it is not as acceptable . hope u all got it .
closing this topic is unnessesary , but take some action on those useless post .

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Feb 22 2007, 02:41 PM

'cant agree with u anymore' is agree or diagree ?

btw , i dont think proton mean to focus on sedan as well . look carefully , the production and sales of the sedan version of wira and iswara is kinda low and not really good . but u can actually see proton is making big hoo-haa with the iswara aeroback , wira SE , satria SE ... my own view is they are tying to focus on hatches so that it matches the profile of proton into sporty segment .

those who deceided this stupid mistake should be fired .

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Added on February 23, 2007, 3:12 amthen forever producing it lol ... hahaha ....
like what iswara is now ... kekeke ... it is actually being developed from mitsubishi fiore into a downgraded car . trimming level , cheapo palstics , lower grade of steel ... ...
i am not sure how many of u know this , iswara is making lots of money for proton . for wira and perdana , they have to pay back the loyalties to mitubishi . but for iswara , the contract about loyalties ends 199x , maybe when iswara came out . means they are not paying a single cent back to mitsubishi except for the antique engine (i am not sure on it too , if i am not too mistaken ,it is manufacured by hicom nowadyas , just the technology transfer) .
and proton CEO will tell u , why to replace it when it still has market ?

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Feb 23 2007, 03:12 AM

excuse me , is that the usual words used by clarkson ? during the news section .

seriously , i would still choose a proton .
i am driving a waja now . although i feel perodua is better in terms of QC , but proton cars are fun to drive . that is the thing i like , seriously i enjoy entering a corner and i feel like never comes out from the corner..i just want to keep on movin...
my waja , with care ... not much problem . minor stuff only . even 4 power windows are still surviving .

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Added on February 24, 2007, 4:02 amoh it's u ar ! ... hahaha nice man . come here . lyn is much better .

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Feb 24 2007, 04:02 AM

u tried that on kelisa i bet it will jerk !

he just got himself into trouble again .
see , the 4 point strut bar actually prvents the front to crumple up like a crumple zone .
come on , we dont need 4 points .
ultra-racing is not doing any racing or engnieering stuff in their RnD . yet they comes out with fender bars etc etc where only ahbengs will fit them without consulting to automotive/mechanical engineers otu there . and most mechanics out there are 'gong' 'gong' to fit it and claim it is good .
the whole chassis is engineered to have crumple , flexing and hard point aas they are , if you want to strengten it , do it properly . just like what R3 , they are using proper engineering to strenghtening the body .

btw , all peroduas ... kelisa in UK comes with DVVT .
i have realised this for very long time d , but i never bash proton .

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Added on February 27, 2007, 1:20 ammy advise , dont have 4 point strut bar . maximum 3 is enough .
but 2 is already good for normal use . let the flexes cancel off each other , that is the best way , i have read it before .

the way ultra-racing is tying to do is to fix all the soft points with bars . eventually those soft points are there for a reason . like the front , i have no idea why they put 4 point bar there . 2 point on the struts , 2 point on the front frame .
as u know , the front frame is build to be a flexible and soft crumple frame , there is no use to strengten it . and if u connect it with the frontal frame, basically it is not going to help . it is like connecting a rod into a mud .

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Feb 27 2007, 01:20 AM

they said that AMT model is more fuel saving .
for the renault enigne , i am quite sure until now not heard of over heating in savvy yet . normally renault car over heat becasue it is not build in local to meet local environment , but savvy is an in house design and car ... so ...

from where u get the source of the new iswara replacement model based on the savvy ? is it from the email ?

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Added on March 1, 2007, 6:09 pmmy friend worked in proton before. she told me that savvy orignally is to make 1.1 nor 1.3 campro engine .
ya , 1.3 campro engine is powerful . but initially it is mean to fit in the small car segment , that is why they use the renault engine . hatches are porpular car segment in european and australia company , by using renault engine as the technology , it can actually gives advantage to the market . but not malaysia .

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Mar 1 2007, 06:09 PM

amt is not fully auto that is why it jerks .
it is like manual , u cant press the gas pedal when u press the clutch .

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Added on March 3, 2007, 1:27 pmamt is not fully auto that is why it jerks .
it is like manual , u cant press the gas pedal when u press the clutch .

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Mar 3 2007, 01:27 PM

mod with brain is art .
mod witout brain , like waja with evo bodykit is like a sohaiz shitting and look at the toilet bowl , saying 'ya , my poo looks like secret recipe black forest'

hypermount ,
sure lah ... that is why small litre engine is for .
in fact. ... even in town , higher cc engine is FC is higher also .
i have no idea why u post this again ...