2012 Honda Civic Malaysian Version Revealed!, Here's how our new civic will look like!
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 Feb 4 2012, 05:50 AM, updated 14y ago
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This is not exactly the Malaysian version but i guess it's close enough! Here's the Singaporean version but our 2012 Honda Civic will look exactly the same! Check it our guys! http://www.livelifedrive.com/malaysia/news...ersion-revealed
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Feb 4 2012, 06:16 AM
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It still ugly though
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Feb 4 2012, 06:43 AM
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front design same like city current version...hmm
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Feb 4 2012, 07:57 AM
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Civic is slowly losing its sports image.
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Feb 4 2012, 08:41 AM
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ugly enough.. back side looks abit like the older gen of toyota camry huh?
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Feb 4 2012, 08:47 AM
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the front looks like a 20 sec autocad job to resize the accord
which feels very dated alrd overall ok, but u wont feel its a "new" new car. |
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Feb 4 2012, 08:51 AM
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boring design la...i tink the altis will still prevails.
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Feb 4 2012, 08:52 AM
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it's a honda city with insight headlamp...
wow.. so creative... |
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Feb 4 2012, 08:57 AM
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biar betul. i don't wan
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Feb 4 2012, 09:12 AM
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OMG,
I do not want to bash Honda, but this time Civic design really like copy n paste from its previous model and call it new model |
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Feb 4 2012, 09:43 AM
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To me, the design is ok. Just a bit conservative...
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Feb 4 2012, 09:44 AM
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yer y so ugly wan
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Feb 4 2012, 09:56 AM
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Hyundai will pwn the nihon car makers if they continue to design such lame design cars.
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Feb 4 2012, 10:03 AM
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don't worry.. malaysian will still worship Honda & Toyota. as long as the resale value is good.. the sales should good too.. put juara with T & H badge.. it will sells too
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Feb 4 2012, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Feb 4 2012, 10:03 AM) don't worry.. malaysian will still worship Honda & Toyota. as long as the resale value is good.. the sales should good too.. put juara with T & H badge.. it will sells too they did that with the freed.   |
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Feb 4 2012, 10:59 AM
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Just ignore and reject this 2012 Civic. Its totally crap to me and many ppl worldwide. The Malaysian version of the new Civic will launch locally in the 2nd half of the year. The main reason for this is to push off old stock before the new facelift arrives. Those who dont know will rush to buy the Civic without realising that in 2013 the facelift will arrive in Malaysia. This would mean big loss of resale value for those who buy the 1st gen 2012 model. So please dont fall for this trap!
Honda planning 2012 Civic facelift after only 8 months after worldwide criticisms Current version criticized for deficiencies in design, quality, drivability & poor braking By Tom Krisher ROMULUS, Mich. — Honda is scrambling to revamp its Civic just eight months after a new version hit showrooms, and critics say it’s an admission that the compact car fell short in quality and handling. The facelift, to come by the end of 2012, is rare because new models aren’t usually overhauled for at least three years. Honda executives say they are trying to stay ahead in an increasingly competitive small-car market. The new Civic was panned by critics when it started arriving at dealerships on April 20. Consumer Reports magazine said the new Civic was less agile than its predecessor, and its interior quality was worse. The magazine refused to give the Civic its coveted “Recommended Buy” rating, saying that the braking distances were long and it suffered from a choppy ride. The car’s sales dropped to fourth among U.S. compacts from May through November. The previous Civic, which came out in 2005, was known for its sporty driving, high-quality interiors, lack of noise and excellent braking, said David Champion, senior director of auto testing for Consumer Reports. “The new one seems to have fallen apart in those areas,” said Champion, who thinks that Honda cut costs with the 2012 version. Honda also recalled more than 1,000 of the 2012 Civics because a fuel line could leak as a result of a manufacturing error. Honda has told dealers that a reworked Civic will arrive before the end of this year. The car’s sticker price starts around $16,000, and a base model with automatic transmission gets 32 miles per gallon in combined city and highway driving. Its price and fuel mileage are about the same as its competitors. American Honda President Tetsuo Iwamura said yesterday that the company will improve the Civic’s drivability, but he stopped short of saying exactly what the company will do to the rest of the car. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Feb 4 2012, 11:01 AM |
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Feb 4 2012, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Feb 4 2012, 10:03 AM) don't worry.. malaysian will still worship Honda & Toyota. as long as the resale value is good.. the sales should good too.. put juara with T & H badge.. it will sells too Yeah...thats what happen to the altis, come out with a egg shape car, nobody liked it, over the years seems OK oledi, then they come out with a wider egg shape car, nobody liked it, but soon ppl dun care oledi...just buy..But seriously, this new Civic, I nearly Puked...come on lah Honda This post has been edited by azbro: Feb 4 2012, 11:01 AM |
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Feb 4 2012, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 4 2012, 10:59 AM) Just ignore and reject this 2012 Civic. Its totally crap to me and many ppl worldwide. The Malaysian version of the new Civic will launch locally in the 2nd half of the year. The main reason for this is to push off old stock before the new facelift arrives. Those who dont know will rush to buy the Civic without realising that in 2013 the facelift will arrive in Malaysia. This would mean big loss of resale value for those who buy the 1st gen 2012 model. So please dont fall for this trap! Exactly! Malaysia will be a dumping ground to clear off their stock. Can the Gov stop this crap from coming here? lol Honda planning 2012 Civic facelift after only 8 months after worldwide criticisms Current version criticized for deficiencies in design, quality, drivability & poor braking By Tom Krisher ROMULUS, Mich. — Honda is scrambling to revamp its Civic just eight months after a new version hit showrooms, and critics say it’s an admission that the compact car fell short in quality and handling. The facelift, to come by the end of 2012, is rare because new models aren’t usually overhauled for at least three years. Honda executives say they are trying to stay ahead in an increasingly competitive small-car market. The new Civic was panned by critics when it started arriving at dealerships on April 20. Consumer Reports magazine said the new Civic was less agile than its predecessor, and its interior quality was worse. The magazine refused to give the Civic its coveted “Recommended Buy” rating, saying that the braking distances were long and it suffered from a choppy ride. The car’s sales dropped to fourth among U.S. compacts from May through November. The previous Civic, which came out in 2005, was known for its sporty driving, high-quality interiors, lack of noise and excellent braking, said David Champion, senior director of auto testing for Consumer Reports. “The new one seems to have fallen apart in those areas,” said Champion, who thinks that Honda cut costs with the 2012 version. Honda also recalled more than 1,000 of the 2012 Civics because a fuel line could leak as a result of a manufacturing error. Honda has told dealers that a reworked Civic will arrive before the end of this year. The car’s sticker price starts around $16,000, and a base model with automatic transmission gets 32 miles per gallon in combined city and highway driving. Its price and fuel mileage are about the same as its competitors. American Honda President Tetsuo Iwamura said yesterday that the company will improve the Civic’s drivability, but he stopped short of saying exactly what the company will do to the rest of the car.  |
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Feb 4 2012, 11:10 AM
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Cannot bring in this one meh....why Euro always get the good looking ones
This Euro version is what a civic should look like  Asia one  ....please leave the uncle stuff to Altis and Sylphy This post has been edited by azbro: Feb 4 2012, 11:18 AM |
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Feb 4 2012, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(azbro @ Feb 4 2012, 11:10 AM) Cannot bring in this one meh....why Euro always get the good looking ones does this implies , in euro, youngman can buy civic. in asia, only uncle can afford civic? This Euro version is what a civic should look like Asia one ....please leave the uncle stuff to Altis and Sylphy |
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Feb 4 2012, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 4 2012, 11:35 AM) does this implies , in euro, youngman can buy civic. in asia, only uncle can afford civic? Err...I cannot deny it...reality is...Yes  |
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Feb 4 2012, 12:05 PM
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failure production, poor honda civic designer..
this"new gen"just like to clear old stock. btw this uncle design civic still can compare with saga~ |
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Feb 4 2012, 12:12 PM
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This is the problem here - the previous gen's Civic design was so avantgarde during its release. Honda has already got their customer's expectations running and expects a radically different design - and when it doesn't, it falls short from the customer's expectations.
This is exactly why when you see concept cars released a few years later, the design would be noticeably be toned down. It's for its future successor to be not caught in this situation. |
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Feb 4 2012, 12:15 PM
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shitty looking car
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Feb 4 2012, 12:58 PM
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Current FD looks better
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Feb 4 2012, 02:19 PM
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I believe it could be another team of designer that are doing this.
Previous team are on its way coming up with better design. |
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Feb 4 2012, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 4 2012, 11:35 AM) does this implies , in euro, youngman can buy civic. in asia, only uncle can afford civic? Or Uncles buy for their kids |
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Feb 4 2012, 02:43 PM
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is this the new rival of Honda City??
This car doesnt look or feel like a c-segment weh....  |
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Feb 4 2012, 03:16 PM
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people gonna buy it anyway, cos of the honda badge
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Feb 4 2012, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(Damonzero @ Feb 4 2012, 03:37 PM) Or Uncles buy for their kids how true ... |
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Feb 4 2012, 03:19 PM
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a creative way to make people visit their blog
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Feb 4 2012, 03:40 PM
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i think the fact it look uncle is exactly the idea
they want to attack toyota altis market but i doubt they can get close to anything as boring and ugly as the altis. |
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Feb 4 2012, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(vey99 @ Feb 4 2012, 03:40 PM) i think the fact it look uncle is exactly the idea Compared to the 2012 Civic, the Altis is much better.they want to attack toyota altis market but i doubt they can get close to anything as boring and ugly as the altis. |
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Feb 4 2012, 03:46 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « elegant white civic, not that bad lar imo...  the modulo bodykit is  |
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Feb 4 2012, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 4 2012, 03:41 PM) Compared to the 2012 Civic, the Altis is much better. absolutely. in malaysia toyota everything best |
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Feb 4 2012, 04:39 PM
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Belkg mcm C200 jeee...
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Feb 4 2012, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(skyz @ Feb 4 2012, 03:46 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « elegant white civic, not that bad lar imo... the modulo bodykit is ....maybe im getting older... saw few this new civic (without bodykit) in China/Suzhou, looks ok only....i didnt have the "new" car wow factor... showed it to my another M'sian friend, he didn't realize this is new civic at all...  |
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Feb 4 2012, 05:19 PM
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fugly car that s it
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Feb 4 2012, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE(squall_kay @ Feb 4 2012, 05:15 PM) the one with modulo bodykit, not bad With bodykit or not...it still look fugly..... ....maybe im getting older... saw few this new civic (without bodykit) in China/Suzhou, looks ok only....i didnt have the "new" car wow factor... showed it to my another M'sian friend, he didn't realize this is new civic at all...  |
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Feb 4 2012, 07:04 PM
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anyone know if honda will bring in the hybrid version of the new civic ? could it possibly be cheaper than current civic ?
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Feb 4 2012, 07:11 PM
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Feb 4 2012, 07:48 PM
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The rear end design is so outdated. Seriously, what's the designer thinking?
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Feb 4 2012, 07:52 PM
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Fugly...!! The current version is ten times more aesthetic looking...
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Feb 4 2012, 08:00 PM
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this new civic look like honda city longer version....watafukkkk........
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Feb 4 2012, 09:16 PM
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emmmm...
 Very boring look but lets not gave hope for new civic type R version. |
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Feb 4 2012, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE(skyz @ Feb 4 2012, 03:46 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « elegant white civic, not that bad lar imo... the modulo bodykit is |
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Feb 5 2012, 10:45 AM
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those buying this new version would get alotta "wow, you bought a new city ah?" comments down the road.
i can't wait to do this to my friends who decide to buy this one mang... |
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Feb 9 2012, 11:31 AM
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This is good news for 8th generation civic owner.
 You resale value will be high as nobody want to buy the 9th generation civic |
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Feb 17 2012, 03:06 PM
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The new honda civic does indeed look like a bigger city at first sight. I would certainly prefer honda bringing the euro version though. Bring it in and call it honda civic hatch or something. At least give us the options!
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Feb 17 2012, 03:54 PM
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euro version no doubt looks even better..
heck.. all the euro version looks better than ours.. |
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Feb 17 2012, 04:11 PM
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It is ugly, no doubt about that, but at least it is better than the new BMW 1 series. It's like they intentionally made it ugly.
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May 20 2012, 11:01 PM
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Too bad Honda :/
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Jun 8 2012, 01:51 PM
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Cis... expected for Honda to come up with better spec & design. All the time waiting was a waste.
Rather consider to go for Koreans instead. Elantra & Forte both are much better spec & design |
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Jun 8 2012, 02:41 PM
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better buy elantra la.....good bye japangg car...
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Jun 8 2012, 02:49 PM
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front still okay..behind like teana/persona?
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Jun 8 2012, 02:54 PM
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any info regarding the exact launching date in malaysia?
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Jun 27 2012, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(skyz @ Jun 8 2012, 02:54 PM) any info regarding the exact launching date in malaysia? heard 12th July. |
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Jun 27 2012, 03:09 PM
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how about the pricing?
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Jun 27 2012, 03:26 PM
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http://paultan.org/2012/06/27/honda-civic-...t-drive-review/
review from paultan.org. not bad . downside only the look |
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Jun 27 2012, 03:31 PM
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plus point: it handles better than 8th gen civic..
Added on June 27, 2012, 3:33 pm QUOTE(Jinster @ Feb 17 2012, 03:54 PM) euro version no doubt looks even better.. shaved euro chick vs hairy asian chick heck.. all the euro version looks better than ours..  This post has been edited by Kirie: Jun 27 2012, 03:33 PM |
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Jun 27 2012, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE(R80 @ Jun 27 2012, 03:09 PM) how about the pricing? HEARD going to be the same (+-) for both 1.8 and 2.0. |
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Jul 3 2012, 04:08 AM
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Jul 6 2012, 10:43 AM
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anyone has any update on this topic so far? it should be lauching very very son rite?
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Jul 6 2012, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE(nicemamak @ Jul 6 2012, 10:43 AM) anyone has any update on this topic so far? it should be lauching very very son rite? See launch date/countdown:[http://www.allnewcivic.com.my/] |
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Jul 6 2012, 12:37 PM
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theres price estimation. at last!
the navi 2.0 estimated at 139k, non navi 2.0 at 135k, and the 1.8 goes for 116,800. of course these are estimations and comes from my new great buddy SA. he said no worries because last time for the city FL they estimated 93k or 94k but it turned out only 1k more so there is still hope |
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Jul 6 2012, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(nicemamak @ Jul 6 2012, 10:43 AM) anyone has any update on this topic so far? it should be lauching very very son rite? Next week. Somewhere far from town. |
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Jul 7 2012, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 6 2012, 12:37 PM) theres price estimation. at last! 139k or anything above 135k for 2.0 navi is too expensive. If 139k might as well get accord... the navi 2.0 estimated at 139k, non navi 2.0 at 135k, and the 1.8 goes for 116,800. of course these are estimations and comes from my new great buddy SA. he said no worries because last time for the city FL they estimated 93k or 94k but it turned out only 1k more so there is still hope My 2 cents. |
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Jul 9 2012, 02:15 PM
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HONDA agent called me today. and said im able to get car this saturday. Booked March 2011
will get 2.0 spec much better. This post has been edited by Peter emirates: Jul 9 2012, 02:16 PM |
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Jul 9 2012, 05:15 PM
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what is the price for 2.0 spec?
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Jul 10 2012, 08:22 PM
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The cars now at honda around malaysia. Go check them out in metal. Most impressive is the hybrid. I dont know whats the allocation and when each honda centre getting theirs but i doubt it people gonna receive the car on saturday. Price is still unknown impossible to process loan
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Jul 10 2012, 08:55 PM
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the hybrid version is going to be sold as well?
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Jul 10 2012, 09:20 PM
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this car looks worst than my 8th gen civic, i think ill wait for the new altis before changing my car.. the new civic is a turn off.. based on pictures.
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Jul 10 2012, 09:25 PM
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canceled my 2.0 navi booking and went with another car...
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Jul 10 2012, 09:25 PM
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Jul 10 2012, 09:37 PM
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I think i saw em on d transporter lorry this morning. But still covered. Last time d city fl werent.
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Jul 10 2012, 10:15 PM
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The hybrid got all the 2.0L has, except for the paddle shifters, 17 inch rims, and of course the SOHC 2.0L engine. The best bit it is CBU all round.
Start stop, leather seats, keyless entry, those now come standard for both hybrid n 2.0L. The key issue has always been how they price it. And it has been a massive let down estimation for the 2.0L starts at 134k and thats BEFORE we go to navi version. Hybrid is at 122k, and 1.8L at 116,800. Those are estimations. Pray hard for the prices to NOT as such. |
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Jul 10 2012, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 10 2012, 10:15 PM) The hybrid got all the 2.0L has, except for the paddle shifters, 17 inch rims, and of course the SOHC 2.0L engine. The best bit it is CBU all round. With the way Japanese Marques are pricing their cars these days, why are you even surprised? Toyota did it with their Camry. Honda lost the plot with both the Freed and Jazz. They keep this rubbish up and more people will go Korean or Conti. The market ain't like it was back in 2004, 2006 or 2008. People actually have more compelling choices these days.Start stop, leather seats, keyless entry, those now come standard for both hybrid n 2.0L. The key issue has always been how they price it. And it has been a massive let down estimation for the 2.0L starts at 134k and thats BEFORE we go to navi version. Hybrid is at 122k, and 1.8L at 116,800. Those are estimations. Pray hard for the prices to NOT as such. |
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Jul 10 2012, 11:47 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 10 2012, 11:34 PM) With the way Japanese Marques are pricing their cars these days, why are you even surprised? Toyota did it with their Camry. Honda lost the plot with both the Freed and Jazz. They keep this rubbish up and more people will go Korean or Conti. The market ain't like it was back in 2004, 2006 or 2008. People actually have more compelling choices these days. the only wrong thing with camry is the pricing. even stevie wonder can see that.so it is urgent for honda to NOT do the wrong thing. set the price well and it may save some face. 24 hours is such a long hour |
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Jul 10 2012, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 10 2012, 11:47 PM) the only wrong thing with camry is the pricing. even stevie wonder can see that. That's what I meant - pricing. Honda already did it with both the Freed and the Jazz IMO, I'd be surprised if they didn't shoot themselves in the foot again with the Civic, heh!so it is urgent for honda to NOT do the wrong thing. set the price well and it may save some face. 24 hours is such a long hour |
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Jul 11 2012, 12:01 AM
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The new civic is CBU? Hmmm....
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Jul 11 2012, 12:03 AM
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the hybrid is cbu. apparently all honda hybrids are CBU
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Jul 11 2012, 12:57 AM
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Jul 11 2012, 07:41 AM
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tomolo lunching liao. see apa spec 1st. heeheheh
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Jul 11 2012, 08:42 AM
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I think the specs are known already. 1.8L, 2.0L, and hybrid variants are all at honda centres. U can get in them and check out on everything. Except for driving dynamic.
It is the pricing not confirm yet |
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Jul 11 2012, 11:59 AM
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price High spec 2.0 is RM139k, price for 2.0 low spec is RM5k less.
Price for 1.8 (only 1spec) RM119k. From what my agent told me. Will test drive tomorrow. Decide got for high spec RM5k included keyless entry, push button, leather seat, xenon light, navigation. This is their marketing strategy same they do for city. Added on July 11, 2012, 12:06 pm QUOTE(ZiTay @ Jul 11 2012, 04:00 AM) Uhh.. Ugly design. Booked with fees since last year, which they cant provide me the 2.0 last year March. so i have wait for the new model. But it quit ok after i see many many time This post has been edited by Peter emirates: Jul 11 2012, 12:06 PM |
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Jul 11 2012, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE(Peter emirates @ Jul 11 2012, 11:59 AM) price High spec 2.0 is RM139k, price for 2.0 low spec is RM5k less. jepun c-segment price getting higer and higerPrice for 1.8 (only 1spec) RM119k. |
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Jul 11 2012, 12:50 PM
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Yet another issue with the 2012 Civic:
http://news.consumerreports.org/safety/201...t-problems.html Any interesting old article: http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2011/...-recommend.html This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 11 2012, 01:15 PM |
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Jul 11 2012, 01:18 PM
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QUOTE(Peter emirates @ Jul 9 2012, 02:15 PM) HONDA agent called me today. and said im able to get car this saturday. Booked March 2011 At RM139K, is the 2.0L Civic really worth the price?will get 2.0 spec much better. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 11 2012, 01:37 PM |
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Jul 11 2012, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 10 2012, 11:34 PM) With the way Japanese Marques are pricing their cars these days, why are you even surprised? Toyota did it with their Camry. Honda lost the plot with both the Freed and Jazz. They keep this rubbish up and more people will go Korean or Conti. The market ain't like it was back in 2004, 2006 or 2008. People actually have more compelling choices these days. Well said. The Japs are beginning to fall behind in terms of equipment and specs but yet they still choose to price their cars ridiculously high. I guess they will continue to do that as long as demand is there. Imagine paying RM 139K for a C segment 2.0L which got such poor ratings in the US until the Honda CEO had to come out and do damage control. http://wot.motortrend.com/honda-admits-civ...013-140651.html http://wot.motortrend.com/we-hear-honda-pu...vic-130717.html http://hondacivicblog.com/archives/ceo-ito...012-honda-civic This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 11 2012, 01:45 PM |
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Jul 11 2012, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 11 2012, 01:18 PM) At RM139K, is the 2.0L Civic really worth the price? is civic same rank with camry or accord? |
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Jul 11 2012, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(chulk @ Jul 11 2012, 01:57 PM) is civic same rank with camry or accord? Civic is C segment while Camry & Accord are D segment. |
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Jul 11 2012, 02:01 PM
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same rank as Altis, Forte... lol
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Jul 11 2012, 02:32 PM
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I went to the Honda showroom earlier and the salesman actually showed me the new Civics behind their service center.
I have to say, I actually like how the 9th gen look on the exterior, it appeals to me much more than the 8th gen does. The interior looks relatively basic for 1.8L but everything that needs to be there, seems to be there. It still uses key turn ignition and there's no cruise control. Steering wheel looks ergonomic and pleasing to the eyes. The 1.8Navi version has all the bells and whistles but at the end of the day, is it worth paying so much more? It boils down to how much you like the look of the new Civic to want to pay for it vs the better spec Koreans. As a personal opinion, I definitely think it looks better than the Elantra and the Forte but would I want to pay the premium for it? That's a different story.... |
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Jul 11 2012, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(Reon @ Jul 6 2012, 12:57 PM) Next week. Somewhere far from town. boss... i wan goQUOTE(kokben @ Jul 11 2012, 12:57 AM) dude, u snap those yourselves or u got it from somewhere? unless u are the owner of the shots, please give credits la QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 11 2012, 01:18 PM) At RM139K, is the 2.0L Civic really worth the price? dude, the civic drives much better than K5....remember, there is people who buy the car for how it drives... not because they are sold on the features list... why ppl buy an empty lotus elise and not a more souped up compact? because the lotus drives way better... thats why |
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Jul 11 2012, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(kcng @ Jul 11 2012, 02:52 PM) dude, the civic drives much better than K5.... How many of those who bought the Civic actually did so because it drives better? Are u sure it was 'drivability' that made the 8th gen Civic a success in Malaysia? I doubt so. Malaysians in general dont know what 'drivability' is in the first place. Im not much better myself. remember, there is people who buy the car for how it drives... not because they are sold on the features list... This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 11 2012, 03:17 PM |
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Jul 11 2012, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 11 2012, 03:17 PM) How many of those who bought the Civic actually did so because it drives better? Are u sure it was 'drivability' that made the 8th gen Civic a success in Malaysia? I doubt so. Malaysians in general dont know what 'drivability' is in the first place. Im not much better myself. quite a bunch actually. alot of civic enthusiasts in malaysia. i was one, back in my high school days Added on July 11, 2012, 3:24 pm QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 11 2012, 02:32 PM) I went to the Honda showroom earlier and the salesman actually showed me the new Civics behind their service center. what about the hybrid? does it come with navi? opting a suitable car for my girl. I have to say, I actually like how the 9th gen look on the exterior, it appeals to me much more than the 8th gen does. The interior looks relatively basic for 1.8L but everything that needs to be there, seems to be there. It still uses key turn ignition and there's no cruise control. Steering wheel looks ergonomic and pleasing to the eyes. The 1.8Navi version has all the bells and whistles but at the end of the day, is it worth paying so much more? It boils down to how much you like the look of the new Civic to want to pay for it vs the better spec Koreans. As a personal opinion, I definitely think it looks better than the Elantra and the Forte but would I want to pay the premium for it? That's a different story.... This post has been edited by stix: Jul 11 2012, 03:24 PM |
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Jul 11 2012, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(stix @ Jul 11 2012, 03:22 PM) quite a bunch actually. alot of civic enthusiasts in malaysia. i was one, back in my high school days guy drive Q7.. girl should drive A1... Added on July 11, 2012, 3:24 pm what about the hybrid? does it come with navi? opting a suitable car for my girl. |
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Jul 11 2012, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 11 2012, 03:17 PM) How many of those who bought the Civic actually did so because it drives better? Are u sure it was 'drivability' that made the 8th gen Civic a success in Malaysia? I doubt so. Malaysians in general dont know what 'drivability' is in the first place. Im not much better myself. 7th gen civic.. the ES is literally a failure...so for the 8th gen, honda took a radical step and it paid dividends... 2006, when the 8th gen civic is launch.. at this price bracket, there is not much choice... altis? bleh... camry? bleh... civic trumps this segment... futuristic interior design... fluid body line... generously spacious on the inside and also the trunk space... comprehensive spec list at that time... drives well and if not the best in the segment.. (for those boy "racers" in you) those are the selling points... |
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Jul 11 2012, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Jul 11 2012, 03:30 PM) guy drive Q7.. girl should drive A1... its Q5 and im not the one buying for her. or to be more precise, i don't see why i should buy my girlfriend a car lol. This post has been edited by stix: Jul 11 2012, 03:34 PM |
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Jul 11 2012, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(stix @ Jul 11 2012, 03:22 PM) quite a bunch actually. alot of civic enthusiasts in malaysia. i was one, back in my high school days They were washing the hybrid so I didn't get to see it on the inside, but SA did say only the top end 2.0L version gets the navi. Added on July 11, 2012, 3:24 pm what about the hybrid? does it come with navi? opting a suitable car for my girl. At the back of the showroom, I've seen: 1.8L 2.0L 2.0L+navi The hybrid sits between the 1.8 and 2.0L range. |
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Jul 11 2012, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(xin @ Jul 11 2012, 02:01 PM) same rank as Altis, Forte... lol but the price just few thousand cheaper... |
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Jul 11 2012, 04:00 PM
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which one is more suitable for me? normal or hybrid? coz i m staying at a small town where seldom traffic jams, occationally going to KL once a month
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Jul 11 2012, 04:05 PM
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Hybrid's price in between 1.8 and 2? Is that even compliant to Hybrid Tax free policy by the G? I suppose Hybrid must be cheaper than 1.8. =)
I got a call from SA - mentioning that the estimated price for Hybrid is ~ 122k... Wow. |
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Jul 11 2012, 04:19 PM
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hybrid got all the gizmos available on the 2.0L. keyless entry, push button, leather seats, the lot. but at 122k it is expensive considering the last hybrid civic was only ... ? forgot how much but certainly NOT over 1.8L.
regarding the price, what we have now only estimations but as the clock ticking down to tomorrow i must say estimations are coming to be true after all. they may miss by only 1k or 2k and that even asking very hard. at best maybe miss some hundreds. i want to believe the 2.0L should be 130k tops but it seems not possible anymore at 139k for the 2.0L navi is simply unbelievable considering u top up another 4-5k u ended up with a D segment rival vehicle. more space and greater presence. i sat at the back and i never been in a civic backseat before and i am struggling to understand honda said they made the interior bigger despite the shortened wheelbase and width. subject to divine intervention on the price issue, i cannot see this to overtake FD sales although yes it will sell. |
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Jul 11 2012, 04:20 PM
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122k for the hybrid.. OMFG...
Added on July 11, 2012, 4:21 pm QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 11 2012, 04:19 PM) hybrid got all the gizmos available on the 2.0L. keyless entry, push button, leather seats, the lot. but at 122k it is expensive considering the last hybrid civic was only ... ? forgot how much but certainly NOT over 1.8L. @ RM130k+.. u can get a Mazda6 now.... including 3 years peace of mind service....regarding the price, what we have now only estimations but as the clock ticking down to tomorrow i must say estimations are coming to be true after all. they may miss by only 1k or 2k and that even asking very hard. at best maybe miss some hundreds. i want to believe the 2.0L should be 130k tops but it seems not possible anymore at 139k for the 2.0L navi is simply unbelievable considering u top up another 4-5k u ended up with a D segment rival vehicle. more space and greater presence. i sat at the back and i never been in a civic backseat before and i am struggling to understand honda said they made the interior bigger despite the shortened wheelbase and width. subject to divine intervention on the price issue, i cannot see this to overtake FD sales although yes it will sell. This post has been edited by BuFung: Jul 11 2012, 04:21 PM |
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Jul 11 2012, 04:25 PM
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Previous Hybrid Civic is bout 108k.
QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 11 2012, 04:19 PM) hybrid got all the gizmos available on the 2.0L. keyless entry, push button, leather seats, the lot. but at 122k it is expensive considering the last hybrid civic was only ... ? forgot how much but certainly NOT over 1.8L. regarding the price, what we have now only estimations but as the clock ticking down to tomorrow i must say estimations are coming to be true after all. they may miss by only 1k or 2k and that even asking very hard. at best maybe miss some hundreds. i want to believe the 2.0L should be 130k tops but it seems not possible anymore at 139k for the 2.0L navi is simply unbelievable considering u top up another 4-5k u ended up with a D segment rival vehicle. more space and greater presence. i sat at the back and i never been in a civic backseat before and i am struggling to understand honda said they made the interior bigger despite the shortened wheelbase and width. subject to divine intervention on the price issue, i cannot see this to overtake FD sales although yes it will sell. |
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Jul 11 2012, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 11 2012, 04:25 PM) Previous Hybrid Civic is bout 108k. DRB cutting throat margin.. |
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Jul 11 2012, 04:45 PM
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Thats the importance of consumer power. Do not buy something which we know is clearly a rip off. Same with that Camry at that price.
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Jul 11 2012, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 11 2012, 04:45 PM) Thats the importance of consumer power. Do not buy something which we know is clearly a rip off. Same with that Camry at that price. make this post on national papers? |
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Jul 11 2012, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jul 11 2012, 04:58 PM) make this post on national papers? wat about major free boardcast TV?  |
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Jul 11 2012, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Jul 11 2012, 05:02 PM) wat about major free boardcast TV? haha hey Mr. bufung, may we know what car are you driving? if I'm not wrong, should be the new elantra right? |
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Jul 11 2012, 09:15 PM
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so how to evaluate the parameters that qualify as a 'rip-off' ? how can we judge something that is a 'rip-off'?
for example 139k for a new C segment car with everything i.e good safety measures, satnav, good rims, good looking (subject to subjectivity nonetheless), climate control, good brand, good aftersales service, the lot. how we are going to quantify anything on the car that qualify it as a rip off? its price at 139k? comparison between the outgoing price and the outgoing model specification? and at 122k, the hybrid got a new 1.5l engine, new set of more reliable long lasting battery, all the gizmos i.e start stop keyless, leather, the lot. compare to the last model it is about ... 14k more? so how can we know the addition to the new model is WORTH 14k ? i dont know. i hope some does. all i was rambling about the price is because i have financial limit for buying a new car. This post has been edited by mokhzaini: Jul 11 2012, 09:18 PM |
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Jul 12 2012, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 11 2012, 09:15 PM) so how to evaluate the parameters that qualify as a 'rip-off' ? how can we judge something that is a 'rip-off'? U and alot of ppl are rambling about the price which i agree. If its priced too high while u get something less, doesnt that qualify as a 'rip off'? If ure paying a higher price for something when you can get something better for an equal price or slightly more, doesnt that qualify too? Just how much of a rip off it is, is left to be seen. for example 139k for a new C segment car with everything i.e good safety measures, satnav, good rims, good looking (subject to subjectivity nonetheless), climate control, good brand, good aftersales service, the lot. how we are going to quantify anything on the car that qualify it as a rip off? its price at 139k? comparison between the outgoing price and the outgoing model specification? and at 122k, the hybrid got a new 1.5l engine, new set of more reliable long lasting battery, all the gizmos i.e start stop keyless, leather, the lot. compare to the last model it is about ... 14k more? so how can we know the addition to the new model is WORTH 14k ? i dont know. i hope some does. all i was rambling about the price is because i have financial limit for buying a new car. But even if the high spec Civic 2.0L is priced at RM145K, there will be many who will buy not because they know anything about the specs but merely because its a new gen Civic and it holds a status symbol to a certain extent. So to these ppl, value for money is out the door. Well, thats their choice. I have made mine. |
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Jul 12 2012, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 11 2012, 01:18 PM) At RM139K, is the 2.0L Civic really worth the price? Cut throat price really, considering a D segment can be bought around 14xk.. ugly design+plasticky dashboard for the civic  |
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Jul 12 2012, 11:29 AM
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not that bad afterall.
http://www.cbt.com.my/2012/07/10/honda-civ...ng-compact-car/ QUOTE The Civics interior was widely panned, especially by bloggers and the American media, but as the numbers show, the whole issue about interior plastics is not as important as American motoring journalists and trigger happy bloggers making rash conclusions with no experience in the car make it out to be. This post has been edited by stix: Jul 12 2012, 11:30 AM |
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Jul 12 2012, 11:35 AM
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2.0 navi rm138k i add a bit get Optima..
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Jul 12 2012, 12:41 PM
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the pricing is as follows:
115,980 for the 1.8 2 litre goes for 131,980 for the non navi. 136,980for the navi 1.5 hybrid is yours for 119,890. a relief. |
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Jul 12 2012, 01:30 PM
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Price is high because want to compete with Preve.
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Jul 12 2012, 01:31 PM
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Well there's at least one good point abuot the civic, 5 years unlimited mileage warranty!
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Jul 12 2012, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 12 2012, 12:41 PM) the pricing is as follows: OTR?115,980 for the 1.8 2 litre goes for 131,980 for the non navi. 136,980for the navi 1.5 hybrid is yours for 119,890. a relief. |
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Jul 12 2012, 01:43 PM
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The price is ok and pretty good looking. It will sell well because its a Civic. Accept the fact, good quality stuff sell well. Reputation, u gotta earn it. The dashboard might be plasticky but so what. I own a Honda and after 3 years and 80000km, no problem, no rattling. Dont cont come to this thread just to justify why u bought a Korean. If u are happy with ur car, then yes good for u. But not everyone wants to gamble or deal with lousy after sale service.
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Jul 12 2012, 01:45 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jul 12 2012, 01:33 PM) OTR? yes OTRAdded on July 12, 2012, 1:48 pm QUOTE(Eclipse80 @ Jul 12 2012, 01:43 PM) The price is ok and pretty good looking. It will sell well because its a Civic. Accept the fact, good quality stuff sell well. Reputation, u gotta earn it. The dashboard might be plasticky but so what. I own a Honda and after 3 years and 80000km, no problem, no rattling. Dont cont come to this thread just to justify why u bought a Korean. If u are happy with ur car, then yes good for u. But not everyone wants to gamble or deal with lousy after sale service.  This post has been edited by mokhzaini: Jul 12 2012, 01:48 PM |
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Jul 12 2012, 01:51 PM
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Let's just hope they will improve the build quality, and the wheelbase is shortened compared to the older version
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Jul 12 2012, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(Eclipse80 @ Jul 12 2012, 01:43 PM) The price is ok and pretty good looking. It will sell well because its a Civic. Accept the fact, good quality stuff sell well. Reputation, u gotta earn it. The dashboard might be plasticky but so what. I own a Honda and after 3 years and 80000km, no problem, no rattling. Dont cont come to this thread just to justify why u bought a Korean. If u are happy with ur car, then yes good for u. But not everyone wants to gamble or deal with lousy after sale service. Dont claim Korean after sales service is lousy just because u havent owned a Korean before. Dont merely vomit out words spoken by others without experiencing it yourself. Ive had both Korean and Jap makes in my household and although the Koreans are not on par with the Japs but they have improved by leaps and bounds while the Japs slept. Bro, i owned a Toyota for 9 years and i still left and went to a Korean. Yes I may not get the same after sales service standard and resale value, but i get value for money and higher safety standards (in comparison to the Camry 2.0L). The Civic's pricing is still high for a C segment but yes it will still sell well. But at least Honda has started offering 5 year unlimited mileage warranties while Toyota is still stuck with its 3 yr terms. U say 'good quality stuff seels well' eh? So i guess Proton is the best quality brand in the Malaysian automotive industry eh while Porsche must be a load of crap? Sale figures matter for foreign makes but not the local ones. Best u state this qualifying statement too. But yes the Japs have created a brand loyalty which spanned a few decades of quality and durability. But if they dont buck up, they will find the Koreans overtaking them in a few years. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 12 2012, 02:00 PM |
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Jul 12 2012, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(Eclipse80 @ Jul 12 2012, 01:43 PM) The price is ok and pretty good looking. It will sell well because its a Civic. Accept the fact, good quality stuff sell well. Reputation, u gotta earn it. The dashboard might be plasticky but so what. I own a Honda and after 3 years and 80000km, no problem, no rattling. Dont cont come to this thread just to justify why u bought a Korean. If u are happy with ur car, then yes good for u. But not everyone wants to gamble or deal with lousy after sale service. Can't say the same for my wife's 07 FL City though, press accelerator hard and the vibration comes in all the way to the steering wheel. It's just the initial feedback but it's still annoying to see the dash and steering rattle every time I push the accelerator hard from stop traffic.Dashboard doesn't rattle when you're already moving but the damn door handle panels also can fall out and side indicator on the body can come loose. Quality of the City definitely sucks, but the after sales and servicing etc is good. Maybe Civic has better interior quality but still I'd expected a little more from Honda :/ This post has been edited by zweimmk: Jul 12 2012, 01:57 PM |
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Jul 12 2012, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 12 2012, 01:56 PM) Can't say the same for my wife's 07 FL City though, press accelerator hard and the vibration comes in all the way to the steering wheel. It's just the initial feedback but it's still annoying to see the dash and steering rattle every time I push the accelerator hard from stop traffic. Funny, my sister's 08 City started rusting badly after 2 years. The gears were also jerking alot. Honda couldnt seem to find the source of the problem. She finally dumped it in 2011 and went for the Sylphy. Took a bit hit on the resale value too. I dont think she's gonna go back to Honda.Dashboard doesn't rattle when you're already moving but the damn door handle panels also can fall out and side indicator on the body can come loose. Quality of the City definitely sucks, but the after sales and servicing etc is good. Maybe Civic has better interior quality but still I'd expected a little more from Honda :/ |
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Jul 12 2012, 02:13 PM
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Its a good move by Honda finally realizing that Korean makers finally pushing them to the edge. 5 year warranty is a plus, with some added gadgets like Bluetooth, keyless entry, pushstart button, swapped to multilink rears finally, headlamp auto/on-off. Navi touchscreen with rear camera, new iMID display. By the looks of it, Honda is bucking up while i see Toyota is slacking with its removed VSA Camry, numerous enhanced Vios, a torsion beam Altis which still retains the 3years warranty for all models. Kudos to Koreans and they should push them Japs more for them to realize that.
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Jul 12 2012, 02:18 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 12 2012, 02:03 PM) Funny, my sister's 08 City started rusting badly after 2 years. The gears were also jerking alot. Honda couldnt seem to find the source of the problem. She finally dumped it in 2011 and went for the Sylphy. Took a bit hit on the resale value too. I dont think she's gonna go back to Honda. Well we didn't have problem with rust but we did have problem with the interior panel falling off, actually it's the interior door handle frame thing and the right signal indicator on the exterior that gotten loose out of the car body (dangling wire held the lamp). Fortunately, Honda SC fixed all those issues for us FOC but still, it's annoying to even have to deal with it in the first place.Now the latest issue is with the engine vibrating when I press the accelerator hard from start stop traffic. It vibrates the entire dashboard and steering for about a second or so then disappears. Oh well, 5 years already that car.... guess I can't really complain much. Maybe it's time to sell that off for something else. |
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 12 2012, 02:18 PM) Well we didn't have problem with rust but we did have problem with the interior panel falling off, actually it's the interior door handle frame thing and the right signal indicator on the exterior that gotten loose out of the car body (dangling wire held the lamp). Fortunately, Honda SC fixed all those issues for us FOC but still, it's annoying to even have to deal with it in the first place. try checking the condition of the engine mountingsNow the latest issue is with the engine vibrating when I press the accelerator hard from start stop traffic. It vibrates the entire dashboard and steering for about a second or so then disappears. Oh well, 5 years already that car.... guess I can't really complain much. Maybe it's time to sell that off for something else. |
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Jul 12 2012, 04:23 PM
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Just test drove the new civic 2.0 in sumber auto just now!
Power: Not up to what i expected. The previous civic 2.0 felt more powerful. Steering feel: i think this is the best partof thecar. Feel is superb and well weighted. Compared to the new elantra, the civics steering feel is Lightyears ahead. Ride and handling: Superb! Just shows how far ahead the Japs are compared to the KoreAns which i recently test drove. Dashboard might not be to everyones liking but its ok for me. |
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Jul 12 2012, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Jul 12 2012, 04:23 PM) Just test drove the new civic 2.0 in sumber auto just now! where got test drive one very fast. penang kah?Power: Not up to what i expected. The previous civic 2.0 felt more powerful. Steering feel: i think this is the best partof thecar. Feel is superb and well weighted. Compared to the new elantra, the civics steering feel is Lightyears ahead. Ride and handling: Superb! Just shows how far ahead the Japs are compared to the KoreAns which i recently test drove. Dashboard might not be to everyones liking but its ok for me. |
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Jul 12 2012, 04:48 PM
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the modulo actually looks good. looks like the demise of civic is not possible afterall.
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Jul 12 2012, 05:03 PM
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Modulo looks more menacing, it got some cues on the FD Civic ... actually it is not bad. My guess is for US, they get the USDM Civic which greatly resemble the new Civic while we were used to JDM Civic and was given this as the new Civic thus we dont get the feeling ' hey its the same design like the previous civic ' thingie like some unhappy Americans.
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Jul 12 2012, 05:45 PM
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just got back from the showroom..
surprisingly the design is quite nice when saw it physically...especially the white color...but i do think the cabin is quite smaller than previous civic. I tried to sit at the back and it was a bit cramp. Interior was ok, not so great and not so ugly either. Acceptable except the built in Radio/CD player. What I don't like is they downgrade from 2.0 i-vtec DOHC to SOHC and slightly expensive. They claimed they did that for better fuel consumption but maybe to get better revenue i guess. For me, if i'm looking for a C segment car, this new civic would be my 3rd choice.. :-) |
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Jul 12 2012, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE(silverND @ Jul 12 2012, 05:45 PM) just got back from the showroom.. then what is ur 1st & 2nd choice? surprisingly the design is quite nice when saw it physically...especially the white color...but i do think the cabin is quite smaller than previous civic. I tried to sit at the back and it was a bit cramp. Interior was ok, not so great and not so ugly either. Acceptable except the built in Radio/CD player. What I don't like is they downgrade from 2.0 i-vtec DOHC to SOHC and slightly expensive. They claimed they did that for better fuel consumption but maybe to get better revenue i guess. For me, if i'm looking for a C segment car, this new civic would be my 3rd choice.. :-) |
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Jul 12 2012, 05:51 PM
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eh silap... i mean for around that price...the new civic will be my 3rd choice..hehe
Added on July 12, 2012, 5:59 pm10k service interval cost for Civic 2.0 2012 1000km - RM24.80 10,000km - RM243.37 20,000km - RM386.91 30,000km - RM335.55 40,000km - RM436.89 50,000km - RM243.37 60,000km - RM593.70 70,000km - RM243.37 80,000km - RM964.84 90,000km - RM335.55 100,000km - RM1,113.32 This post has been edited by silverND: Jul 12 2012, 05:59 PM |
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Jul 12 2012, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 12 2012, 04:32 PM) where got test drive one very fast. penang kah? Sumber auto pj has test drive already.And yes the car looks very very nice in real life compared to pictures! Gonna be another hot seller! |
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Jul 12 2012, 06:18 PM
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just test drove the civic 2.0 navi.
Exterior- accually i feel this new civic is better & long lasting looking than the 8th gen one. Moreover the modulo body kit is well fit to the design. Interior - i got no problem with the hard plastic dashboard coz i nvr sit/lay my hand on it. All the part which we may always touch it eg. door armrest/wall is wraped with fabric/leather, well done. Ample legroom at the rear seat. Seat comfort so so maybe due to the plastic cover still on there. Handling - best part of the car, still remain the civic driving style. NVH - hmm.. i tot is has been improved from the previous model but i still feel lougher than elantra. 17" PS3 stock tyres. dissapointed... i nvr had chance to test the 1.5 hybrid but according to the SA, the power will only go to up 1.7 & will nvr reach the power to 1.8 feel. Down side - bad rim design, w/o paddle shift Up side - beige color leather seat, side airbag, c.control For me, i will pick the 1.8 or 2.0 w/o navi. 5k diff will only get the navi n bluetooth handfree seem not worth it. |
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Jul 12 2012, 06:45 PM
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I found this the Civic price is abit too high for a C-segment car, just slightly a few thousands cheaper than a D-segment car, for me, I surely will go to the D-segment if I got the money to buy this Civic.
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Jul 12 2012, 06:52 PM
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rather get new focus
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Jul 12 2012, 06:59 PM
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On Paultan, there are 46 positive votes vs 74 negative votes for the Civic today.
The Camry had 71 positive and 311 negative votes on its launch article. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 12 2012, 07:02 PM |
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Jul 12 2012, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 12 2012, 06:59 PM) On Paultan, there are 46 positive votes vs 74 negative votes for the Civic today. if u have a badget of 115k-120k to buy a new car now, what car will u choose? care to advise pls? TQThe Camry had 71 positive and 311 negative votes on its launch article. |
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Jul 12 2012, 07:18 PM
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pana001.
beware. one might advise u save up more money and buy k5. if u wanna buy bmw? good. then buy 2 k5. fanboyism at its best.  |
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Jul 12 2012, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(stinger82 @ Jul 12 2012, 07:18 PM) pana001. Hahahaha! Fully agree with u! Whatever car "he" buys is the best car on planet earth!Who knows deep down "his" heart he is regretting every single day since he bought his piece of JUNK! beware. one might advise u save up more money and buy k5. if u wanna buy bmw? good. then buy 2 k5. fanboyism at its best. Anyway, the more I see the new civic, the more i am loving it. Even though the interior might be a minor let down,but its still so much better than elantra. Just playing with the information display on the wheel mounted controls is such a joy. |
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Jul 12 2012, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(stinger82 @ Jul 12 2012, 07:18 PM) pana001. thks stinger82. i know wat u mean.beware. one might advise u save up more money and buy k5. if u wanna buy bmw? good. then buy 2 k5. fanboyism at its best. i respect everyone point of view and i m a silent reader here till i need to change the car now i know CM98 buying behavoir & needs, that y i want to hear his view in order to help me to choose. My max badget is 120k that it although K5 is my dream car but i cant afford it. TQ |
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Jul 12 2012, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE(pana001 @ Jul 12 2012, 07:32 PM) thks stinger82. i know wat u mean. Buy a 350Z for 100k, and prepay 5 years road tax the additional 20k i respect everyone point of view and i m a silent reader here till i need to change the car now i know CM98 buying behavoir & needs, that y i want to hear his view in order to help me to choose. My max badget is 120k that it although K5 is my dream car but i cant afford it. TQ |
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Jul 12 2012, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(pana001 @ Jul 12 2012, 07:08 PM) if u have a badget of 115k-120k to buy a new car now, what car will u choose? care to advise pls? TQ i will probably get the new ford focus....though does not come with ecoboost engine...the engine to be introduced here is much better than the honda civic's...almost same price as civic...better package and imo better looking |
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Jul 12 2012, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Jul 12 2012, 07:28 PM) Hahahaha! Fully agree with u! Whatever car "he" buys is the best car on planet earth!Who knows deep down "his" heart he is regretting every single day since he bought his piece of JUNK! U still begging for another thrashing? U got thrashed on so many threads and yet u wanna start it again? |
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Jul 12 2012, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(pana001 @ Jul 12 2012, 07:32 PM) i know CM98 buying behavoir & needs, that y i want to hear his view in order to help me to choose. My max badget is 120k that it although K5 is my dream car but i cant afford it. TQ U mean u know that i will research like crazy before i put my money into something? Then ure spot on. But im not really sure about that category. Give me some time and ill get back to you with some options. |
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Jul 12 2012, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE(pana001 @ Jul 12 2012, 08:08 PM) if u have a badget of 115k-120k to buy a new car now, what car will u choose? care to advise pls? TQ How abt Nissan Teana?Added on July 12, 2012, 8:32 pmHow abt Nissan Teana? This post has been edited by mtec: Jul 12 2012, 08:32 PM |
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Jul 12 2012, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE(chuakz @ Jul 12 2012, 07:54 PM) i will probably get the new ford focus....though does not come with ecoboost engine...the engine to be introduced here is much better than the honda civic's...almost same price as civic...better package and imo better looking The ford focus is probably way more refined than the civic, honda has never been known to produce car with good NVH. Will need to test drive for sure |
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Jul 12 2012, 09:37 PM
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Hybrid version still priced at 120k after tax exemption... why ah? anybody und? =)
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Jul 12 2012, 09:39 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 12 2012, 01:52 PM) Dont claim Korean after sales service is lousy just because u havent owned a Korean before. Dont merely vomit out words spoken by others without experiencing it yourself. Ive had both Korean and Jap makes in my household and although the Koreans are not on par with the Japs but they have improved by leaps and bounds while the Japs slept. Honda's hard plastic dashboard is not as hard as korean/protons.Bro, i owned a Toyota for 9 years and i still left and went to a Korean. Yes I may not get the same after sales service standard and resale value, but i get value for money and higher safety standards (in comparison to the Camry 2.0L). The Civic's pricing is still high for a C segment but yes it will still sell well. But at least Honda has started offering 5 year unlimited mileage warranties while Toyota is still stuck with its 3 yr terms. U say 'good quality stuff seels well' eh? So i guess Proton is the best quality brand in the Malaysian automotive industry eh while Porsche must be a load of crap? Sale figures matter for foreign makes but not the local ones. Best u state this qualifying statement too. But yes the Japs have created a brand loyalty which spanned a few decades of quality and durability. But if they dont buck up, they will find the Koreans overtaking them in a few years. Its Honda, it must be better bro. You go try touch it, korean car's is harder. |
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Jul 12 2012, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE(pana001 @ Jul 12 2012, 06:18 PM) NVH - hmm.. i tot is has been improved from the previous model but i still feel lougher than elantra. 17" PS3 stock tyres. dissapointed... |
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Jul 12 2012, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Jul 12 2012, 09:44 PM) PS3 stock tyre, and you disappointed? Is PS3 such a bad tyre to you? i dissapointed with the NVH even with the good tyre, that wat i mean. base on other review, they claimed that the NVH is much improved compare to 8th gen, but no doubt elantra is much better than this new civic after i test drove.Added on July 12, 2012, 9:57 pmthks CM98. yeah, y i forget nissan teana, haha, thks. but dont have VSC. hehe..still can be consider coz good nvh, comfort. This post has been edited by pana001: Jul 12 2012, 09:57 PM |
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Jul 12 2012, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE(silverND @ Jul 12 2012, 05:51 PM) eh silap... i mean for around that price...the new civic will be my 3rd choice..hehe the most critical thing bout honda that i hate is the 5k service interval, but the new Civic now has 10k service interval.Awesome!Added on July 12, 2012, 5:59 pm10k service interval cost for Civic 2.0 2012 1000km - RM24.80 10,000km - RM243.37 20,000km - RM386.91 30,000km - RM335.55 40,000km - RM436.89 50,000km - RM243.37 60,000km - RM593.70 70,000km - RM243.37 80,000km - RM964.84 90,000km - RM335.55 100,000km - RM1,113.32 This post has been edited by hazremi: Jul 12 2012, 10:05 PM |
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Jul 12 2012, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 12 2012, 09:37 PM) Hybrid version still priced at 120k after tax exemption... why ah? anybody und? =) i believe they do not bring that many in.and its competing in hybrid territory. it just has to be cheaper than prius and ct200h. if i were them i'd add one or two (techy) accessory and sell for a few more K. after all, its 25K cheaper than prius. |
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Jul 12 2012, 10:07 PM
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yeah the other stand out thing is, the standard tyre for the 2litre is PS3 michelin which is quite a good thing. it has good reviews allround and with all those good stuffs, i am pleased it is 132k. the other guy who say about topping up a bit more for a D segment could be referring to a mazda6 or a teana. it cannot for k5 because it is more than 10k added.
i am waiting to know whether my booking is included in the allocation. i hope everything goes well! |
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Jul 12 2012, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 12 2012, 09:39 PM) Honda's hard plastic dashboard is not as hard as korean/protons. Which Korean are u refering to? Go touch the Optima dash board and then come back and tell me if its hard plastic or not. Take a pic of your hand touching as proof too. Btw, i had a Honda in my household also till last year.Its Honda, it must be better bro. You go try touch it, korean car's is harder. |
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Jul 12 2012, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 12 2012, 10:38 PM) Which Korean are u refering to? Go touch the Optima dash board and then come back and tell me if its hard plastic or not. Take a pic of your hand touching as proof too. Btw, i had a Honda in my household also till last year. U have a honda in your household till last year very special meh...I also have a small old Honda until last year lor... nah... This post has been edited by MeToo: Jul 12 2012, 10:46 PM Attached thumbnail(s) 
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Jul 12 2012, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Jul 12 2012, 10:02 PM) the most critical thing bout honda that i hate is the 5k service interval, but the new Civic now has 10k service interval.Awesome! The servicing cost is quite reasonable as well+5 years warranty, way to improve i would say.. I guess the Japs have finally realize that consumers are not so dumb after all these years of substandard package+astronomical pricing |
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Jul 12 2012, 11:57 PM
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Yea, honda malaysia site need to enter some personal info and upload photo, so i cincai upload a photo, after that only i realized i put Mazda Takeri as the uploaded photo...dunno what is the response when they saw the pic
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Jul 13 2012, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 12 2012, 09:37 PM) Hybrid version still priced at 120k after tax exemption... why ah? anybody und? =) imported cars need an AP (franchise AP in this case, not open AP), and 3 taxes. if i'm not mistaken, the exemption is only for 2 of the 3 taxes, thats why there is still a slight price difference between peninsular pricing compared to langkawi/labuan |
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Jul 13 2012, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 12 2012, 10:46 PM) U have a honda in your household till last year very special meh... wow gadis cerah I also have a small old Honda until last year lor... nah... |
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Jul 13 2012, 12:49 AM
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 12 2012, 10:46 PM) U have a honda in your household till last year very special meh... hahaha your sarcasm never fails to amuse me I also have a small old Honda until last year lor... nah... nice ride btw. This post has been edited by stix: Jul 13 2012, 12:50 AM |
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Jul 13 2012, 12:51 AM
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QUOTE(stix @ Jul 13 2012, 12:49 AM) hahaha your sarcasm never fails to amuse me Ermm. That actually is his bike n gadis cerah.. nice ride btw. |
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Jul 13 2012, 12:52 AM
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jul 13 2012, 12:51 AM) Ermm. That actually is his bike n gadis cerah.. i know lol. |
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Jul 13 2012, 01:24 AM
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went to showroom, the SA told me that 2.0 SOHC is the new engine from honda. honda started to focus go green, wan save FC so switch from DOHC to SOHC. what the heck?? i think producing a SOHC engine is much cheaper than DOHC engine. SOHC performance wise will be slightly lose to DOHC at high speed? maybe louder sound of engine?
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Jul 13 2012, 01:25 AM
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QUOTE(Travies @ Jul 13 2012, 01:24 AM) went to showroom, the SA told me that 2.0 SOHC is the new engine from honda. honda started to focus go green, wan save FC so switch from DOHC to SOHC. what the heck?? i think producing a SOHC engine is much cheaper than DOHC engine. SOHC performance wise will be slightly lose to DOHC at high speed? maybe louder sound of engine? thats like saying instead of driving a car, you can ride a bike. saves you petrol. |
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Jul 13 2012, 01:30 AM
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QUOTE(stix @ Jul 13 2012, 01:25 AM) thats like saying instead of driving a car, you can ride a bike. saves you petrol. Hey! You have something against Honda bikes?!  |
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Jul 13 2012, 05:23 AM
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Lol... The R20 engine has been around for long, in the CRV and Accord 2.0
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Jul 13 2012, 08:11 AM
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Thinking sell off my accord and get this new civic...go test drive this weekend and see is this car better than my accord or not..
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Jul 13 2012, 08:14 AM
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QUOTE(Travies @ Jul 13 2012, 01:24 AM) went to showroom, the SA told me that 2.0 SOHC is the new engine from honda. honda started to focus go green, wan save FC so switch from DOHC to SOHC. what the heck?? i think producing a SOHC engine is much cheaper than DOHC engine. SOHC performance wise will be slightly lose to DOHC at high speed? maybe louder sound of engine? but the engine can deliver better torque and hp.... |
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Jul 13 2012, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE(Travies @ Jul 13 2012, 01:24 AM) went to showroom, the SA told me that 2.0 SOHC is the new engine from honda. honda started to focus go green, wan save FC so switch from DOHC to SOHC. what the heck?? i think producing a SOHC engine is much cheaper than DOHC engine. SOHC performance wise will be slightly lose to DOHC at high speed? maybe louder sound of engine? Soch engine should be lighter and less noisy. It is just impressive that honda could match doch performance with a Soch setup. |
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Jul 13 2012, 09:58 AM
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so what is the fuss?using SOHC but can match the performance of a DOHC yet fuel saving some more..what more malaysian want?
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Jul 13 2012, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Jul 13 2012, 09:58 AM) so what is the fuss?using SOHC but can match the performance of a DOHC yet fuel saving some more..what more malaysian want? Advantages to having a DOHC engine over a SOHC is that the engine has twice as many intake and exhaust valves as a SOHC engine. This makes the engine run cooler and more smoothly, quietly, and efficiently. But the downfall is that DOHC engines cost more for repairs.DOHC engines also allows the spark plug to be placed right in the middle of the combustion chamber. This promotes efficient combustion. With SOHC, the camshaft is usually in the middle of the head because it has to drive both the intake and exhaust valves, robbing the sparkplug of it’s optimal location. A SOHC 16 valve engine would have better torque on the low end where the DOHC valvetrain’s weight results in lower torque. But at high engine speeds, the 16 valve DOHC engine’s peak torque and horsepower would be greater. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 13 2012, 10:13 AM |
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Jul 13 2012, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 13 2012, 10:09 AM) Advantages to having a DOHC engine over a SOHC is that the engine has twice as many intake and exhaust valves as a SOHC engine. This makes the engine run cooler and more smoothly, quietly, and efficiently. But the downfall is that DOHC engines cost more for repairs. BRAVO!!! 4G92 SOHC and 4G92 DOHC both have 16 valves ... 2 intake 2 exhaust per piston .. a DOHC will have bigger surface hence can use bigger valve with more flow .. DOHC will have more freedom to tune .. where the intake and exhaust cam is seperated (assume with DVVT or adjustable cam pulley) .. DOHC dun run cooler then SOHC .. SMOOTHLY ? .. both have pros and cons .. SOHC .. at low rev where the valve smaller .. area smaller.. the air flow mixture will have better mixture .. hence it will be more powerful at low rev.. DOHC .. at low rev .. the air flow is slower coz too much space.. but at high rpm .. the flow need to be faster tat is when DOHC is better then SOHC .. |
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Jul 13 2012, 10:26 AM
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regardless how the SOHC n DOHC. did u guys experience before with the engine of accord 2.0, crv 2.0 before? its engine vibration is very obvious, when rev the engine sound is tremendously loud, same goes to civic 1.8. abit upset when honda announce premium variant like civic 2.0(maybe future accord 2.4) go into SOHC engine.
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Jul 13 2012, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(Travies @ Jul 13 2012, 10:26 AM) regardless how the SOHC n DOHC. did u guys experience before with the engine of accord 2.0, crv 2.0 before? its engine vibration is very obvious, when rev the engine sound is tremendously loud, same goes to civic 1.8. abit upset when honda announce premium variant like civic 2.0(maybe future accord 2.4) go into SOHC engine. SOHC is actually a better choice for normal city drive.. if u like high rev all the time .. DOHC would be the better bet..didnt actually drove any new accord, crv or civic before .. but i experinece civic NVH (previous gen).. not tat good .. i think that is what contributing to the loud engine sound.. Vibration wise still okay .. |
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 12 2012, 10:46 PM) U have a honda in your household till last year very special meh... I also have a small old Honda until last year lor... nah...  hey, nice car on the right, let me guess......a korean??? This post has been edited by turbocharged: Jul 13 2012, 10:42 AM |
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Bro,
Support and loyal to a brand is good, but I'm always prefer not to support blindly. I do have many question when buying my new car. I'm do wondering around a few brand compare in the same segment. In the end of the day I had choose Forte. YES, it is a damn korean car that most people think it is lousy. To be frank with you, I had never regret for the price that I pay. Even most of my friend gave good response when they r in my car. If you put brand a side you will see that the korean product really improved a lot. If not it will not storm the world for these few years. Just my 2 cents of opinion.. QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 12 2012, 09:39 PM) Honda's hard plastic dashboard is not as hard as korean/protons. Its Honda, it must be better bro. You go try touch it, korean car's is harder. |
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Jul 13 2012, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 12 2012, 01:52 PM) Dont claim Korean after sales service is lousy just because u havent owned a Korean before. Dont merely vomit out words spoken by others without experiencing it yourself. Ive had both Korean and Jap makes in my household and although the Koreans are not on par with the Japs but they have improved by leaps and bounds while the Japs slept. Those, i feel, are isolated cases. You can post website statistics here (i.e. how many like & 'hates' posts on new Toyota or Honda cars get on Paultan) but look the number of Jap on the road and you'll know how many people actually 'like' them.Bro, i owned a Toyota for 9 years and i still left and went to a Korean. Yes I may not get the same after sales service standard and resale value, but i get value for money and higher safety standards (in comparison to the Camry 2.0L). The Civic's pricing is still high for a C segment but yes it will still sell well. But at least Honda has started offering 5 year unlimited mileage warranties while Toyota is still stuck with its 3 yr terms. U say 'good quality stuff seels well' eh? So i guess Proton is the best quality brand in the Malaysian automotive industry eh while Porsche must be a load of crap? Sale figures matter for foreign makes but not the local ones. Best u state this qualifying statement too. But yes the Japs have created a brand loyalty which spanned a few decades of quality and durability. But if they dont buck up, they will find the Koreans overtaking them in a few years. Btw regarding your comment on my previous statement (i.e. 'good quality stuff seels well'), i did say that. But I did not say 'all stuff that sell well are of good quality'. Learn to understand a statement before commenting. Yes I admit, Koreans are getting better and they are pressuring the Japs to provide better cars with better specs, but that doesn't mean they are always a better choice. |
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Jul 13 2012, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(Eclipse80 @ Jul 13 2012, 10:49 AM) Those, i feel, are isolated cases. You can post website statistics here (i.e. how many like & 'hates' posts on new Toyota or Honda cars get on Paultan) but look the number of Jap on the road and you'll know how many people actually 'like' them. i dun really agree... many ppl buy car (mostly unkers) .. does not know about car..Btw regarding your comment on my previous statement (i.e. 'good quality stuff seels well'), i did say that. But I did not say 'all stuff that sell well are of good quality'. Learn to understand a statement before commenting. Yes I admit, Koreans are getting better and they are pressuring the Japs to provide better cars with better specs, but that doesn't mean they are always a better choice. when their fren .. neighbour says .. who so every says good.. they go to buy ... my FIL is one of them .. now complain suspension weak .. car seat harsh .. 2 years masuk kilang claim warranty few times.. i dun wanna name the car .. dun wan some fanboy come bashing.. |
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Jul 13 2012, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(Eclipse80 @ Jul 13 2012, 10:49 AM) Those, i feel, are isolated cases. You can post website statistics here (i.e. how many like & 'hates' posts on new Toyota or Honda cars get on Paultan) but look the number of Jap on the road and you'll know how many people actually 'like' them. u are right. only in malaysia, the japs held back. in other country, jap car is very very competitive. well, VW is actually challenging toyota for number 1 spot Btw regarding your comment on my previous statement (i.e. 'good quality stuff seels well'), i did say that. But I did not say 'all stuff that sell well are of good quality'. Learn to understand a statement before commenting. Yes I admit, Koreans are getting better and they are pressuring the Japs to provide better cars with better specs, but that doesn't mean they are always a better choice. imagine, vw group that has audi,lambo,porsche,vw, needs to go all out to fight with uncleish altis, camry imagine, u need 1.2tsi,1.4tsi, 2.0turbo, 6speed 7speed dsg, to counter uncle camry altis vios yes, toyota is that good |
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Jul 13 2012, 12:29 PM
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im interest to buy this car.
any honda salesman here? pm me offer or package for Honda Civic 1.8S and 2.0S |
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Jul 13 2012, 12:30 PM
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what is the interest rate? any1?
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Jul 13 2012, 12:52 PM
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PM me too. =)
QUOTE(onncai @ Jul 13 2012, 12:29 PM) im interest to buy this car. any honda salesman here? pm me offer or package for Honda Civic 1.8S and 2.0S |
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Jul 13 2012, 01:41 PM
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I would only believe SOHC > DOHC if honda made the next type-r in SOHC and yet more powerful than the legendary K20A type r.
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Jul 13 2012, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(Eclipse80 @ Jul 13 2012, 10:49 AM) Btw regarding your comment on my previous statement (i.e. 'good quality stuff seels well'), i did say that. But I did not say 'all stuff that sell well are of good quality'. Learn to understand a statement before commenting. Bro, sorry but i think its you who needs to read your statement again. When u make a general statement like that without qualifying it, then the statement is assumed in its entirity. (part of my job scope requires me to draft project contract agreements). |
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Jul 13 2012, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jul 13 2012, 10:53 AM) u are right. only in malaysia, the japs held back. in other country, jap car is very very competitive. well, VW is actually challenging toyota for number 1 spot hey.. what about polo sedan? how could you miss out that! imagine, vw group that has audi,lambo,porsche,vw, needs to go all out to fight with uncleish altis, camry imagine, u need 1.2tsi,1.4tsi, 2.0turbo, 6speed 7speed dsg, to counter uncle camry altis vios yes, toyota is that good |
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Jul 13 2012, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(stix @ Jul 13 2012, 02:27 PM) hey.. what about polo sedan? how could you miss out that! seriously from the rear, it looks like a bigger car. interior is not bad too |
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Jul 13 2012, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jul 13 2012, 02:29 PM) seriously from the rear, it looks like a bigger car. but.. but.. the quality of the interior is a slap on the face for the buyers. interior is not bad too  |
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Jul 13 2012, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jul 13 2012, 10:53 AM) u are right. only in malaysia, the japs held back. in other country, jap car is very very competitive. well, VW is actually challenging toyota for number 1 spot Well u need to look at it from a different perspective as well. Most of those cars mentioned are top buck cars unlike the much cheaper Altis and Camry. Affordability of the masses plays an important role here. If Audi's, Lambo's and Porsche's were priced similar to say a Camry, do u really think the numbers would be lopsided? imagine, vw group that has audi,lambo,porsche,vw, needs to go all out to fight with uncleish altis, camry imagine, u need 1.2tsi,1.4tsi, 2.0turbo, 6speed 7speed dsg, to counter uncle camry altis vios yes, toyota is that good Same reason why Proton is doing so well in Malaysia. Because their cars are cheaper than most of the foreign makes (through rather unfair practices of course). But does Proton's much better sale figures actually indicate a quality product? You be the judge. |
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Jul 13 2012, 04:23 PM
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the 6 times free services with alternating paid services until 100000km is how ar?
the free service mean free labour and part also? |
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Jul 13 2012, 04:25 PM
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mean free labour only, wear n tear parts hv to pay
Added on July 13, 2012, 4:27 pmany1 try 1.8S? any comments? This post has been edited by pana001: Jul 13 2012, 04:27 PM |
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Jul 13 2012, 04:40 PM
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free services not free labour + part?
then they should say free labour, not free services |
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Jul 13 2012, 05:36 PM
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Well I thought Honda wannabe will just eat anything feeded by Honda? Why bother so much about whether its sohc or dohc? If u really mind so much just go out and get a dohc car, then change its badge to d might H, satisfy
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Jul 13 2012, 06:49 PM
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planning to book a 1.8S, any SA here pls PM me TQ.
so far better offer is discount RM1.8k-RM2k/car for for 1.8/2.0S (for group purchase of 4 cars), good deal? |
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Jul 13 2012, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE(pana001 @ Jul 13 2012, 06:49 PM) planning to book a 1.8S, any SA here pls PM me TQ. My wife may be interested if can really get 2k discount for the 1.8sso far better offer is discount RM1.8k-RM2k/car for for 1.8/2.0S (for group purchase of 4 cars), good deal? |
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Jul 13 2012, 10:24 PM
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Just test drove this new civic 2.0 with Navi.
I love the steering responsiveness, ride & handling and the front looks of the car. Overall it was ok and I don't mind about the interior except for the smaller cabin. Those who wants to buy, apart from the 5 years unlimited warranty, they offered 2.35% loan interest from RHB bank for more than 80k loan. That's a great deal i guess. |
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Jul 13 2012, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 13 2012, 07:12 PM) My wife may be interested if can really get 2k discount for the 1.8s 2k off already? haimeh?i got 800 'personal discount' for the normal 2.0L. anybody got 2k off for normal 2.0L pm me. i give u 5 hour free karaoke. with escorts |
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Jul 13 2012, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 13 2012, 07:12 PM) My wife may be interested if can really get 2k discount for the 1.8s Seriously do you mind share with me where do you get the 2k discount from? Im planning to order the 2.0L ...don mind order together with you guys |
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Jul 14 2012, 08:53 AM
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I wanna get 1.8, but next year when my ride's Insurance finished, then it's the best time to sell the car
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Jul 14 2012, 09:10 AM
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C-segments compared, as models are split between all makes, it's kind of hard to make it an entirely fair comparison
Not a comprehensive list but compares the most talked about features used today. I've tried to make it as accurate as possible. Most of the good stuff only come in at the 120k+ price range.  This post has been edited by zweimmk: Jul 14 2012, 10:02 AM |
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Jul 14 2012, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 14 2012, 09:10 AM) C-segments compared, as models are split between all makes, it's kind of hard to make it an entirely fair comparison I thought Forte has Electric Folding Mirrors with Signal? How come it says "NO" here lolNot a comprehensive list but compares the most talked about features used today. I've tried to make it as accurate as possible. Most of the good stuff only come in at the 120k+ price range. |
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Jul 14 2012, 11:30 AM
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nice chart, does any1 test drove civic 1.8S? pls share
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Jul 14 2012, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 14 2012, 09:10 AM) C-segments compared, as models are split between all makes, it's kind of hard to make it an entirely fair comparison Thanks for the table. Can you please add Ford Focus & Inspira as well? I assume that rain sensing wiper is the same as auto light sensor and engine push start is the same as smart entry. Boot size is another factor to consider as well.Not a comprehensive list but compares the most talked about features used today. I've tried to make it as accurate as possible. Most of the good stuff only come in at the 120k+ price range. |
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Jul 14 2012, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(alg7_munif @ Jul 14 2012, 11:39 AM) Thanks for the table. Can you please add Ford Focus & Inspira as well? I assume that rain sensing wiper is the same as auto light sensor and engine push start is the same as smart entry. Boot size is another factor to consider as well. Yup, i was thinking the same. Then i can choose btwn 7 options |
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Jul 14 2012, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(Area51SE @ Jul 14 2012, 11:05 AM) I thought Forte has Electric Folding Mirrors with Signal? How come it says "NO" here lol I'll correct it later |
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Jul 14 2012, 01:20 PM
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Forte 2.0 uses EPS too, just the 1.6 variants use hydralic ..
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Jul 14 2012, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 12 2012, 10:46 PM) U have a honda in your household till last year very special meh... wah bro... you sailang your jap out like that... later ppl depress why his K5 cannot catch your jap leh...I also have a small old Honda until last year lor... nah...  QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 13 2012, 10:09 AM) Advantages to having a DOHC engine over a SOHC is that the engine has twice as many intake and exhaust valves as a SOHC engine. This makes the engine run cooler and more smoothly, quietly, and efficiently. But the downfall is that DOHC engines cost more for repairs. i think i need to hand u an university of lol yat automotive degree already...DOHC engines also allows the spark plug to be placed right in the middle of the combustion chamber. This promotes efficient combustion. With SOHC, the camshaft is usually in the middle of the head because it has to drive both the intake and exhaust valves, robbing the sparkplug of it’s optimal location. A SOHC 16 valve engine would have better torque on the low end where the DOHC valvetrain’s weight results in lower torque. But at high engine speeds, the 16 valve DOHC engine’s peak torque and horsepower would be greater. |
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Jul 14 2012, 03:25 PM
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Oh nouu.. berry berry disappointed with the look.
Where's the signature eagle eye front lamp? |
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Jul 15 2012, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 14 2012, 09:10 AM) C-segments compared, as models are split between all makes, it's kind of hard to make it an entirely fair comparison Thanks for the comparison table. Very helpful to those who want to buy a new car.Not a comprehensive list but compares the most talked about features used today. I've tried to make it as accurate as possible. Most of the good stuff only come in at the 120k+ price range. From personal view, in overall Forte is the winner. Value for money. |
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Jul 15 2012, 01:47 AM
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Do pm me any sa that can give nice discount..tq
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Jul 15 2012, 01:51 AM
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Had a good look at the Civic today. I must say the interior is a real disappointment compared to the previous model. Really cheapo plastics especially on the dashboard and door panels. Some places on the doors are a little soft which is fine but the rest is all soo cheapo. If i hadnt known it was a Civic, i would have thought i was in an older generation Kia. The previous gen Civic had a touch of class and much higher quality standards for sure. In this new Civic, the interior and exterior have lost their class. Looks very normal. Also correct me if im wrong here but does the rear legroom seem a bit less compared to the previous model?
Not sure about the drivability of the car as i didnt get a chance to test drive, but i sure hope its much better than its design. Added on July 15, 2012, 1:55 am QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 13 2012, 07:12 PM) My wife may be interested if can really get 2k discount for the 1.8s My wife is also interested. But the interior quality is a major disappointment.This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 15 2012, 01:57 AM |
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Jul 15 2012, 02:18 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 13 2012, 10:09 AM) Advantages to having a DOHC engine over a SOHC is that the engine has twice as many intake and exhaust valves as a SOHC engine. This makes the engine run cooler and more smoothly, quietly, and efficiently. But the downfall is that DOHC engines cost more for repairs. Theorythically yes,that's what they teach u in schoolDOHC engines also allows the spark plug to be placed right in the middle of the combustion chamber. This promotes efficient combustion. With SOHC, the camshaft is usually in the middle of the head because it has to drive both the intake and exhaust valves, robbing the sparkplug of it’s optimal location. A SOHC 16 valve engine would have better torque on the low end where the DOHC valvetrain’s weight results in lower torque. But at high engine speeds, the 16 valve DOHC engine’s peak torque and horsepower would be greater. But in reality nowadays,not always like that,many advancement had re-written the guideline we used to be thaught I had driven both 8th-gen civic1.8(SOHC) and 2.0(DOHC) and fuel efficiency is really noticable when using the 1.8 compared to 2.0 fuel-sucker |
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Jul 15 2012, 09:53 AM
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Went to see the car yesterday.. Here is what i feel. 1.8 interior looks weird... 2.0 interior color combination looks better. Dashboard wise looks futuristic. I like what they did to the space between driver n front passenger very good ergonomics.
but for an additional 5k (Navi) for GPS, Bluetooth & touch screen is a bit expensive furthermore adding the Navi spoils the looks of the dashboard as the unit doesn't fit the looks of the dashboard. I think the civic new design looks much better in black.. here is what i feel. As for going back to SOHC.. i'm sure they have their reasons for it if not they will not make such move..just need to know what is the theory behind it This post has been edited by benlye: Jul 15 2012, 10:05 AM |
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Jul 15 2012, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE(benlye @ Jul 15 2012, 09:53 AM) Went to see the car yesterday.. Here is what i feel. 1.8 interior looks weird... 2.0 interior color combination looks better. Dashboard wise looks futuristic. I like what they did to the space between driver n front passenger very good ergonomics. one wordbut for an additional 5k (Navi) for GPS, Bluetooth & touch screen is a bit expensive furthermore adding the Navi spoils the looks of the dashboard as it doesn't unit doesn't fit the looks of the dashboard. I think the civic new design looks much better in black.. here is what i feel. As for going back to SOHC.. i'm sure they have their reasons for it if not they will not make such move..just need to know what is the theory behind it emission... the guidelines for emission in US and europe is getting stricter... in order for the engine to qualify for those market... they need to comply... true, ppl might say, retain the K20 for our market while producing the R-series for the europe/us market.. but how much K20 can our market consume to justify it? |
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Jul 15 2012, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE(benlye @ Jul 15 2012, 09:53 AM) Went to see the car yesterday.. Here is what i feel. 1.8 interior looks weird... 2.0 interior color combination looks better. Dashboard wise looks futuristic. I like what they did to the space between driver n front passenger very good ergonomics. Actually SOHC is less about emission and more about production cost. You can tune DOHC to get similar emission result as SOHC but this will increase the cost as more components are involved for DOHC compared to SOHC.but for an additional 5k (Navi) for GPS, Bluetooth & touch screen is a bit expensive furthermore adding the Navi spoils the looks of the dashboard as it doesn't unit doesn't fit the looks of the dashboard. I think the civic new design looks much better in black.. here is what i feel. As for going back to SOHC.. i'm sure they have their reasons for it if not they will not make such move..just need to know what is the theory behind it |
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Jul 15 2012, 10:34 AM
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And technology advancement. The Soch engine could match a doch engine power output. So it not a bad thing. Moreover, Soch engine have better torque curve.
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Jul 15 2012, 11:51 AM
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Here's what I think about the new Civic:
http://www.kensomuse.com/honda-9th-generat...st-the-8th-gen/ |
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Jul 15 2012, 11:53 AM
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Civic 2.0 or 408 2.0? Any comparison?
Also, anyone know which branch have Civic Hybrid for test drive? =) QUOTE(kenso77 @ Jul 15 2012, 11:51 AM) Here's what I think about the new Civic: This post has been edited by mysjumblesale: Jul 15 2012, 12:02 PMhttp://www.kensomuse.com/honda-9th-generat...st-the-8th-gen/ |
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 14 2012, 09:10 AM) C-segments compared, as models are split between all makes, it's kind of hard to make it an entirely fair comparison 1.8 elantra ada paddle shift? where does it located?Not a comprehensive list but compares the most talked about features used today. I've tried to make it as accurate as possible. Most of the good stuff only come in at the 120k+ price range. |
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Jul 15 2012, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 15 2012, 11:53 AM) Civic 2.0 or 408 2.0? Any comparison? Hmmm, you could read both articles and do the comparison yourself. As of now, I've not test driven the Civic so it won't be a fair comparison.Also, anyone know which branch have Civic Hybrid for test drive? =) The 408 article can be found here: http://www.kensomuse.com/peugeot-408-are-y...gthy-or-nice-2/ Between RM109,888 vs RM131,980, the difference in price is pretty significant Added on July 15, 2012, 12:10 pm QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 14 2012, 09:10 AM) C-segments compared, as models are split between all makes, it's kind of hard to make it an entirely fair comparison Errm, you might want to recheck all the specs, bro. Lots of inaccuracies thereNot a comprehensive list but compares the most talked about features used today. I've tried to make it as accurate as possible. Most of the good stuff only come in at the 120k+ price range. This post has been edited by kenso77: Jul 15 2012, 12:10 PM |
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Jul 15 2012, 12:22 PM
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Actually it does look better in real life
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Jul 15 2012, 12:28 PM
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Updated the specs
Tried to be as accurate as possible, but some of these manufacturer's website has some very ambiguous details. Particularly horrible are Mazda, Chervolet and Hyundai. Seriously, they need to spend more money on developing a better website that actually gives better details on their car models. Ford Focus 2012 specs are not entirely accurate at all since details are scarce   This post has been edited by zweimmk: Jul 15 2012, 12:43 PM |
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Jul 15 2012, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE(benlye @ Jul 15 2012, 09:53 AM) Went to see the car yesterday.. Here is what i feel. 1.8 interior looks weird... 2.0 interior color combination looks better. Dashboard wise looks futuristic. I like what they did to the space between driver n front passenger very good ergonomics. you can add leather seat to 1.8, add rm2500 only..all become black like 2.0but for an additional 5k (Navi) for GPS, Bluetooth & touch screen is a bit expensive furthermore adding the Navi spoils the looks of the dashboard as the unit doesn't fit the looks of the dashboard. I think the civic new design looks much better in black.. here is what i feel. As for going back to SOHC.. i'm sure they have their reasons for it if not they will not make such move..just need to know what is the theory behind it |
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Jul 15 2012, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 15 2012, 12:28 PM) Updated the specs Bug, civic 2.0 power/torque copied paste from 1.8's.Tried to be as accurate as possible, but some of these manufacturer's website has some very ambiguous details. Particularly horrible are Mazda, Chervolet and Hyundai. Seriously, they need to spend more money on developing a better website that actually gives better details on their car models. Ford Focus 2012 specs are not entirely accurate at all since details are scarce Btw, Honda Soch 1.8l engine is better than Altis doch dvvti on paper. |
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Jul 15 2012, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 15 2012, 12:28 PM) Updated the specs 408 has 4 speed AT, cruise control.Tried to be as accurate as possible, but some of these manufacturer's website has some very ambiguous details. Particularly horrible are Mazda, Chervolet and Hyundai. Seriously, they need to spend more money on developing a better website that actually gives better details on their car models. Ford Focus 2012 specs are not entirely accurate at all since details are scarce This post has been edited by prody: Jul 15 2012, 08:52 PM |
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Jul 15 2012, 08:56 PM
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Inspira?
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Jul 15 2012, 09:58 PM
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I'll just upload the spreadsheet later so you all can make corrections, lol.
I made it so my wife and I can compare the features between the makes. In the end, after test driving the new Civic today, she went ahead to book the 1.8s. Despite the Forte and Elantra being better specced, she was still more comfortable going Japanese. This post has been edited by zweimmk: Jul 15 2012, 10:05 PM |
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 15 2012, 12:28 PM) Updated the specs Thanks for your great work !Tried to be as accurate as possible, but some of these manufacturer's website has some very ambiguous details. Particularly horrible are Mazda, Chervolet and Hyundai. Seriously, they need to spend more money on developing a better website that actually gives better details on their car models. Ford Focus 2012 specs are not entirely accurate at all since details are scarce |
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Jul 15 2012, 11:15 PM
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Updated the excel file with all the relevant information between the different C segments.
The accuracy should be largely correct right now and if there are still errors, you can now correct it easily. Download and modify as necessary http://www.mediafire.com/view/?z3bae69pbhri7gl |
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Jul 16 2012, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 15 2012, 09:58 PM) I made it so my wife and I can compare the features between the makes. In the end, after test driving the new Civic today, she went ahead to book the 1.8s. Simple reason. Thts because of the brand and the status that comes with it. If u go Korean, ure considered a lower rank. Kinda pointless making the comparison in your wife's case. I quite sure she was all for the Japanese from the start or am i wrong? Despite the Forte and Elantra being better specced, she was still more comfortable going Japanese. |
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Jul 16 2012, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 15 2012, 09:58 PM) I'll just upload the spreadsheet later so you all can make corrections, lol. haha, exactly the situation my girl is facing at the moment, though she is actually picking between hybrid and 1.8 elantra. as much as i love elantra's design, i can't help but to feel civic's level of refinement is better than elantra. the fittings in elantra seems, 'loose' lol but definitely more soft padded materials.I made it so my wife and I can compare the features between the makes. In the end, after test driving the new Civic today, she went ahead to book the 1.8s. Despite the Forte and Elantra being better specced, she was still more comfortable going Japanese. |
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Jul 16 2012, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 16 2012, 12:06 AM) Simple reason. Thts because of the brand and the status that comes with it. If u go Korean, ure considered a lower rank. Kinda pointless making the comparison in your wife's case. I quite sure she was all for the Japanese from the start or am i wrong? Yes, she is still more pro Japanese even right in the beginning. But she was very impressed with the Forte when i convinced her to go take a look and take a test drive. The deal breaker was the distributor though... Even she has heard a lot of bad feedback about the Naza after sales and my wife ain't into cars, LOL!I think if it was UMW Hyundai or Kah motors KIA, things might have been a bit different Added on July 16, 2012, 1:02 am QUOTE(stix @ Jul 16 2012, 12:10 AM) haha, exactly the situation my girl is facing at the moment, though she is actually picking between hybrid and 1.8 elantra. as much as i love elantra's design, i can't help but to feel civic's level of refinement is better than elantra. the fittings in elantra seems, 'loose' lol but definitely more soft padded materials. Make no mistake, the Civic is a lot of hard plastics. It ain't pretty but the utility is there. The overall handling and NVH is still superior on the Civic compared to the Forte. I didn't drive the Elantra but I think the interior was definitely a more upmarket in the Elantra as compared to the Civic. At the end of the day, Honda's long history in Malaysia is still one of the main factor why people turn to them instead of the Koreans. People who aren't car enthusiasts will always take the safe choice as long as the basics are covered.This post has been edited by zweimmk: Jul 16 2012, 01:05 AM |
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Jul 16 2012, 01:13 AM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 16 2012, 12:54 AM) She doesn't like Korean because no confidence, though she was very impressed with the Forte because the value is there, the deal breaker was the distributor though... Even she has heard a lot of bad feedback about the Naza after sales and my wife ain't into cars, LOL! Are u sure the bad feedback was from Naza or previous Kia's? How would you know unless uve experienced it yourself? Most of these so called 'bad feedback' come from previous gen Koreans. But, im not saying current after sales standards are on par with the Japs. Sure it isnt. But its improved alot in the last 2 years especially. We can't expect overnight changes. But is after sales service standards more important than value for money? Would you pay about 35K more to get better after sales service & resale value since specs are basically the same between the 2.0L Forte and the 2.0L Civic? You would i guess but i think 35K is too much to pay. I faced the same dilemma when i was choosing my car. Yes i could have gone with the masses and booked myself a Camry but at what cost? I find it comical that ppl talk endlessly bout the importance of resale value but they are fine with paying top dollar for something with far less specs initially. Somehow, value for money for them does have a different definition. |
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Jul 16 2012, 01:24 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 16 2012, 01:13 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « But is after sales service standards more important than value for money? Would you pay about 35K more to get better after sales service & resale value since specs are basically the same between the 2.0L Forte and the 2.0L Civic? You would i guess but i think 35K is too much to pay. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « That said, IMO even T & H has less than stellar customer service in this country. It is a sad state that we have resort to choosing a brand with the least useless aftersales service these days. |
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Jul 16 2012, 01:36 AM
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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 16 2012, 01:24 AM) I say yes to the bolded part. When most people buy a new car they will be dependent on the distributor/manufacturer to service their ride and solve any technical problems with their cars. A gadget-filled car is useless if no one knows how to properly maintain it nor repair it. It should and it must play a critical role when choosing the brand of car to buy. I'd second your statement., especially when a car is full of electronics. My dad was pretty against the idea of me getting an audi as they are not exactly famous for their service 'friendliness'. Heck, I have to travel the Penang bridge just to do my annual service lol. I guess it only takes passion or obsession for one to buy cagrs where their service centers are not that well established yet. Take Kia for example. In Penang I think they have a 3s centre but they only service car on selected days That said, IMO even T & H has less than stellar customer service in this country. It is a sad state that we have resort to choosing a brand with the least useless aftersales service these days.  well I might be wrong but that's what I read on the window of the showroom. People bash myvi but the after service and service maintenance is even better than Mercedes in my case lol. My worker says that people from the service centre would always call and follow up post-service. Man, I don't even have that from driving a conti hahaha.This post has been edited by stix: Jul 16 2012, 01:38 AM |
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Jul 16 2012, 08:07 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 16 2012, 01:13 AM) Are u sure the bad feedback was from Naza or previous Kia's? How would you know unless uve experienced it yourself? Most of these so called 'bad feedback' come from previous gen Koreans. But, im not saying current after sales standards are on par with the Japs. Sure it isnt. But its improved alot in the last 2 years especially. We can't expect overnight changes. Yes, its Naza. I've had personal experience with the KIA Spectra and I've also had 3 friends who practically swore off buying a car from Naza because of their bad experience with Peugeot. My wife's end have 2 friends who are Forte owners and 2 Peugeot owners. IMO, I didn't think the feedback about the Forte was too negative but I think she rather just avoid the issue altogether for total peace of mind.But is after sales service standards more important than value for money? Would you pay about 35K more to get better after sales service & resale value since specs are basically the same between the 2.0L Forte and the 2.0L Civic? You would i guess but i think 35K is too much to pay. I faced the same dilemma when i was choosing my car. Yes i could have gone with the masses and booked myself a Camry but at what cost? I find it comical that ppl talk endlessly bout the importance of resale value but they are fine with paying top dollar for something with far less specs initially. Somehow, value for money for them does have a different definition. In the end, I think despite her being impressed with the Forte, she personally isn't comfortable with the idea of buying Korean and still prefers the Japanese makes on the whole. Btw, she's buying the 1.8s so she's not paying 20k more for the high spec. We've gone over the specs of the Civic and we're actually paying for the following with 20k extra: 1. Paddle shifters (not important) 2. HID lights (Nice to have but can live without for her. IMO, this issue can easily be resolved by ordering the 9th gen protector headlamps from Thailand and getting the Phillips Xenon kit, probably won't cost more than 3.5k in total) 3. Push Start Smart Entry (Again appealing but ultimately not important) 4. Leather seats (can wrap outside for 2k) 5. Electric driver seat (the current city also manual so no difference) 6. 2 more airbags (important but what to do? Just deal with it loh) 7. Signal lamp on wing mirrors instead of on the car body (vanity appeal can live without) 8. Cruise Control (not important since never go outstation) 9. Handles chrome instead of body color (not important) 10. 2.0 Engine instead of 1.8 (more power but also pay more road tax) This post has been edited by zweimmk: Jul 16 2012, 10:09 AM |
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Jul 16 2012, 09:15 AM
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any doubts about the new Civic please refer to attached articles .
the new 2012 Civic is the top seller in USA . and not only that , it also breaks sales record . there are as much fanboys in the US as in Malayisa http://www.cbt.com.my/2012/07/10/honda-civ...ng-compact-car/ This post has been edited by starship1: Jul 16 2012, 09:17 AM |
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Jul 16 2012, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 15 2012, 11:53 AM) Also, anyone know which branch have Civic Hybrid for test drive? =) |
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Jul 16 2012, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE(stix @ Jul 16 2012, 01:36 AM) I'd second your statement., especially when a car is full of electronics. My dad was pretty against the idea of me getting an audi as they are not exactly famous for their service 'friendliness'. Heck, I have to travel the Penang bridge just to do my annual service lol. I guess it only takes passion or obsession for one to buy cagrs where their service centers are not that well established yet. Take Kia for example. In Penang I think they have a 3s centre but they only service car on selected days My friend is and through a by and by Merc man. It's only recently he has switched to a 2nd hand BMW X6 because of the new M class was selling at really obscene prices in Singapore. well I might be wrong but that's what I read on the window of the showroom. People bash myvi but the after service and service maintenance is even better than Mercedes in my case lol. My worker says that people from the service centre would always call and follow up post-service. Man, I don't even have that from driving a conti hahaha.His words were, "eh, don't think just coz you buy a Merc or Beemer means the service center service is good hor! The after sales is also kanasai one!" So, paying for prestige German marque and getting shitty after sales service is pretty much the norm whether if its Singapore or Malaysia, LOL! |
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Jul 16 2012, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(starship1 @ Jul 16 2012, 09:15 AM) any doubts about the new Civic please refer to attached articles . I think the 8th Gen Civic sold in US was a boring design thus their impression for the 9th generation for them is more refreshing and sleeker design..the new 2012 Civic is the top seller in USA . and not only that , it also breaks sales record . there are as much fanboys in the US as in Malayisa http://www.cbt.com.my/2012/07/10/honda-civ...ng-compact-car/  But for us in Bolehland, the impression is reversed.  This post has been edited by twincharger07: Jul 16 2012, 11:02 AM |
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Jul 16 2012, 12:02 PM
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Any good Honda SA out there. ?
From the feedback here service standard is supposedly good but having been to 2 showrooms yesterday sales standards are appalling. Want to buy but no one to buy from .... |
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Jul 16 2012, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(JAL811 @ Jul 16 2012, 12:02 PM) Any good Honda SA out there. ? Yes i'm also looking for good Honda SA that give better discount, pls PM me. i'm interested in the Civic HybridFrom the feedback here service standard is supposedly good but having been to 2 showrooms yesterday sales standards are appalling. Want to buy but no one to buy from .... |
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Jul 16 2012, 01:22 PM
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QUOTE(liangshu17 @ Jul 16 2012, 12:09 PM) Yes i'm also looking for good Honda SA that give better discount, pls PM me. i'm interested in the Civic Hybrid Hi Ive got few hundred discount from my SA....pm me if you wan more details just to be fair to others SA. Thank You |
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Jul 16 2012, 01:34 PM
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Hi. Tks for da recomm.
Btw those who booked when is the expected delivery for 2.0 (navi or non navi) ? Some told me 2 mth some told me 1 mth. Tks !! |
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Jul 16 2012, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(JAL811 @ Jul 16 2012, 01:34 PM) Hi. Tks for da recomm. My wife's 1.8s - 2 weeks, 2.0 expected between 3 to 5 weeks can get delivery upon bank loan approval.Btw those who booked when is the expected delivery for 2.0 (navi or non navi) ? Some told me 2 mth some told me 1 mth. Tks !! |
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Jul 16 2012, 01:43 PM
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Cheers! Tks!!
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Jul 16 2012, 01:43 PM
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What's the waiting list like for Civic Hybrid?
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Jul 16 2012, 02:39 PM
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latest by september for my 2.0 non-navi
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Jul 16 2012, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 16 2012, 08:07 AM) Yes, its Naza. I've had personal experience with the KIA Spectra and I've also had 3 friends who practically swore off buying a car from Naza because of their bad experience with Peugeot. My wife's end have 2 friends who are Forte owners and 2 Peugeot owners. IMO, I didn't think the feedback about the Forte was too negative but I think she rather just avoid the issue altogether for total peace of mind. i like the way u justify buying a variant nobody wants.In the end, I think despite her being impressed with the Forte, she personally isn't comfortable with the idea of buying Korean and still prefers the Japanese makes on the whole. Btw, she's buying the 1.8s so she's not paying 20k more for the high spec. We've gone over the specs of the Civic and we're actually paying for the following with 20k extra: 1. Paddle shifters (not important) 2. HID lights (Nice to have but can live without for her. IMO, this issue can easily be resolved by ordering the 9th gen protector headlamps from Thailand and getting the Phillips Xenon kit, probably won't cost more than 3.5k in total) 3. Push Start Smart Entry (Again appealing but ultimately not important) 4. Leather seats (can wrap outside for 2k) 5. Electric driver seat (the current city also manual so no difference) 6. 2 more airbags (important but what to do? Just deal with it loh) 7. Signal lamp on wing mirrors instead of on the car body (vanity appeal can live without) 8. Cruise Control (not important since never go outstation) 9. Handles chrome instead of body color (not important) 10. 2.0 Engine instead of 1.8 (more power but also pay more road tax) please dont take it in a negative way. it just spec wise, the 1.8L is just .. plain. so like u said u dont need those stuffs then u are doing just allright with the 1.8L i hope the missus will love it. but it is THE variant u may want if u want the car in shortest period. i've been told 1.8L takes like 2 weeks or 3 weeks top. its the 2.0L that having long queue at the moment. book now u are lucky to have it delivered in sept. |
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Jul 16 2012, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 16 2012, 02:47 PM) i like the way u justify buying a variant nobody wants. Yeah it's actually plain. The 2.0s is of course the better choice. 16k for so many additional stuff is definitely worth it.... if you don't compare against the Korean Marque. But my wife's budget don't allow for it and she's not comfortable paying another 300 bucks more for the 2.0s variant... so just live with it please dont take it in a negative way. it just spec wise, the 1.8L is just .. plain. so like u said u dont need those stuffs then u are doing just allright with the 1.8L i hope the missus will love it. but it is THE variant u may want if u want the car in shortest period. i've been told 1.8L takes like 2 weeks or 3 weeks top. its the 2.0L that having long queue at the moment. book now u are lucky to have it delivered in sept. At the end of the day, if want to be comfortable, can always take the Passat out instead. As this is the 2nd car for us, no need to spend so much extra la haha! As far as critical must have is concerned, the only critical feature for us is the 4 airbags. Aside from the electric seats, everything else including DVD-navi can do aftermarket |
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Jul 16 2012, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 16 2012, 01:37 PM) My wife's 1.8s - 2 weeks, 2.0 expected between 3 to 5 weeks can get delivery upon bank loan approval. wow, that's insanely fast. SA in Penang Sungai Dua Honda said that waiting period is around 3 months, at the very least due to a long queue. |
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Jul 16 2012, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 16 2012, 01:24 AM) I say yes to the bolded part. When most people buy a new car they will be dependent on the distributor/manufacturer to service their ride and solve any technical problems with their cars. A gadget-filled car is useless if no one knows how to properly maintain it nor repair it. It should and it must play a critical role when choosing the brand of car to buy. Did i ever say that Kia has got poor after sales service? Have u ever been to a Kia SC? Try going to Red Cube PJ and spend a few hours there. See how they handle customers and solve problems. Ive been to Kia Ipoh and service there is great too and im saying this as a former Toyota owner who serviced at Toyota for 9 years. That said, IMO even T & H has less than stellar customer service in this country. It is a sad state that we have resort to choosing a brand with the least useless aftersales service these days. We've all had issues with our cars but most of these issues has been resolved quite fast and professionally by Kia. Dont keep looking at past experiences. Go to the Forte forum and ask the owners there. Go find out the facts for yourself instead of blindly making assumptions based on heresay. |
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Jul 16 2012, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 16 2012, 08:07 AM) Yes, its Naza. I've had personal experience with the KIA Spectra and I've also had 3 friends who practically swore off buying a car from Naza because of their bad experience with Peugeot. My wife's end have 2 friends who are Forte owners and 2 Peugeot owners. IMO, I didn't think the feedback about the Forte was too negative but I think she rather just avoid the issue altogether for total peace of mind. The Spectra was a load of crap la bro. Why do u keep going back to the past? That car was a problem from Day 1. Nobody could fix that car since it came with so many manufacturing defects. And isnt Peugeot under Nasim? Naza Kia is a different dealership although the parent company is the same. SO basically if u take away the Spectra, Peugeot and the not so bad comments bout the Forte, it doesnt look as bad as you claimed earlier rite? And even if 2 Forte's had a very bad experience, does that suffice as a general statement on Kia's quality standards? |
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Jul 16 2012, 04:19 PM
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At RM 133K (OTR), i think the current Mazda 6 2.0L would be a good choice.
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Jul 16 2012, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 16 2012, 04:12 PM) Did i ever say that Kia has got poor after sales service? Have u ever been to a Kia SC? Try going to Red Cube PJ and spend a few hours there. See how they handle customers and solve problems. Ive been to Kia Ipoh and service there is great too and im saying this as a former Toyota owner who serviced at Toyota for 9 years. I wasn't talking about KIA specifically.We've all had issues with our cars but most of these issues has been resolved quite fast and professionally by Kia. Dont keep looking at past experiences. Go to the Forte forum and ask the owners there. Go find out the facts for yourself instead of blindly making assumptions based on heresay. I was addressing your statement that aftersales service is less important, it was a generalized reply to a generalized statement. |
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Jul 16 2012, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 16 2012, 04:19 PM) At RM 133K (OTR), i think the current Mazda 6 2.0L would be a good choice. it is by far the best value D segment vehicle available for peoples money at the moment |
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Jul 16 2012, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 16 2012, 04:15 PM) The Spectra was a load of crap la bro. Why do u keep going back to the past? That car was a problem from Day 1. Nobody could fix that car since it came with so many manufacturing defects. And isnt Peugeot under Nasim? Naza Kia is a different dealership although the parent company is the same. Been burnt once and once is too much IMO. But that aside, I and my wife have been actively scouting a 2nd car for the past month and we both agreed that the KIA Forte represented the best bang for buck. My wife was even impressed during the test drive and we even got a good SA that offered us fantastic discount. My research also showed that the after sales is at an acceptable level, though not as good as the T&H marque but still good enough to be deemed as a problem free purchase. Resale value of the Forte is also surprisingly good after talking to a few 2nd hand dealers...but whenever I asked if she placed her deposit with the car, she would always give some excuse like not free or too busy with work or distracted by some other thing and this went on for the past month. Then came last Sunday, we went to view the new Civic and after taking it for a test drive, she immediately paid the deposit and booked the car, LOL!SO basically if u take away the Spectra, Peugeot and the not so bad comments bout the Forte, it doesnt look as bad as you claimed earlier rite? And even if 2 Forte's had a very bad experience, does that suffice as a general statement on Kia's quality standards? At the end of the day, it's what she's comfortable buying la bro. Koreans may have improved but they have a huge perception issue to overcome in the hearts of Malaysians |
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Jul 16 2012, 08:49 PM
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Another Opinion
Test drove new civic 2.0 over the weekend. Better than expected after all the negative comments heard. Summary is as follows: Like: Drive, cornering, steering, interior, exterior, fuel economy, not need to press button to unlock car Dislike: Acceleration, radio design, rims Although much the same power as previous gen, acceleration even on second gearpaddleshift is not to my expectation, very linear delivery thanks to soch migration. Spoke with owner of 8gen 2.0L civic, he told me acceleration has less roar and surge. With RM90 which is near full tank, the 2.0L will take you 450-460km max with econ mode on according to salesman. Overall i'm generally pleased with quality of car. Last thing and can others verify this...salesman told me 0-100 is about 13 secs for 2.0L? Too bad i didnt try but this sounds very the sucky. I will test Ford Focus as second choice before i decide to change car. To me, i'll pass on Elantra. |
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Jul 16 2012, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE(Loopster @ Jul 16 2012, 08:49 PM) Another Opinion This post has been edited by mysjumblesale: Jul 16 2012, 10:50 PMTest drove new civic 2.0 over the weekend. Better than expected after all the negative comments heard. Summary is as follows: Like: Drive, cornering, steering, interior, exterior, fuel economy, not need to press button to unlock car Dislike: Acceleration, radio design, rims Although much the same power as previous gen, acceleration even on second gearpaddleshift is not to my expectation, very linear delivery thanks to soch migration. Spoke with owner of 8gen 2.0L civic, he told me acceleration has less roar and surge. With RM90 which is near full tank, the 2.0L will take you 450-460km max with econ mode on according to salesman. Overall i'm generally pleased with quality of car. Last thing and can others verify this...salesman told me 0-100 is about 13 secs for 2.0L? Too bad i didnt try but this sounds very the sucky. I will test Ford Focus as second choice before i decide to change car. To me, i'll pass on Elantra. |
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Jul 16 2012, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 16 2012, 07:47 PM) Been burnt once and once is too much IMO. But that aside, I and my wife have been actively scouting a 2nd car for the past month and we both agreed that the KIA Forte represented the best bang for buck. My wife was even impressed during the test drive and we even got a good SA that offered us fantastic discount. My research also showed that the after sales is at an acceptable level, though not as good as the T&H marque but still good enough to be deemed as a problem free purchase. Resale value of the Forte is also surprisingly good after talking to a few 2nd hand dealers...but whenever I asked if she placed her deposit with the car, she would always give some excuse like not free or too busy with work or distracted by some other thing and this went on for the past month. Then came last Sunday, we went to view the new Civic and after taking it for a test drive, she immediately paid the deposit and booked the car, LOL! Yes that was what i was trying to say. It was the brand that sold. But something which the Koreans will need to work hard to establish.At the end of the day, it's what she's comfortable buying la bro. Koreans may have improved but they have a huge perception issue to overcome in the hearts of Malaysians |
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Jul 16 2012, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE(Loopster @ Jul 16 2012, 08:49 PM) Another Opinion If ure seriously considering the Civic 2.0L then the current Mazda 6 2.0L would be a much better choice. A D segment for the price of a C segment. The Civic is quite a squeeze inside actually. I think rear legroom is similar to the City. Go test drive the Mazda 6 while waiting for the Focus.Test drove new civic 2.0 over the weekend. Better than expected after all the negative comments heard. Summary is as follows: Like: Drive, cornering, steering, interior, exterior, fuel economy, not need to press button to unlock car Dislike: Acceleration, radio design, rims Although much the same power as previous gen, acceleration even on second gearpaddleshift is not to my expectation, very linear delivery thanks to soch migration. Spoke with owner of 8gen 2.0L civic, he told me acceleration has less roar and surge. With RM90 which is near full tank, the 2.0L will take you 450-460km max with econ mode on according to salesman. Overall i'm generally pleased with quality of car. Last thing and can others verify this...salesman told me 0-100 is about 13 secs for 2.0L? Too bad i didnt try but this sounds very the sucky. I will test Ford Focus as second choice before i decide to change car. To me, i'll pass on Elantra. |
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Jul 16 2012, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 16 2012, 09:20 PM) Yes that was what i was trying to say. It was the brand that sold. But something which the Koreans will need to work hard to establish. if our car industry was an open market, it would'nt be hard. look at the US, koreans sell remarkably there.This post has been edited by stix: Jul 16 2012, 09:30 PM |
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Jul 16 2012, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(Loopster @ Jul 16 2012, 08:49 PM) Another Opinion Test drove new civic 2.0 over the weekend. Better than expected after all the negative comments heard. Summary is as follows: Like: Drive, cornering, steering, interior, exterior, fuel economy, not need to press button to unlock car Dislike: Acceleration, radio design, rims Although much the same power as previous gen, acceleration even on second gearpaddleshift is not to my expectation, very linear delivery thanks to soch migration. Spoke with owner of 8gen 2.0L civic, he told me acceleration has less roar and surge. With RM90 which is near full tank, the 2.0L will take you 450-460km max with econ mode on according to salesman. Overall i'm generally pleased with quality of car. Last thing and can others verify this...salesman told me 0-100 is about 13 secs for 2.0L? Too bad i didnt try but this sounds very the sucky. I will test Ford Focus as second choice before i decide to change car. To me, i'll pass on Elantra.QUOTE With RM90 which is near full tank, the 2.0L will take you 450-460km max with econ mode the civic consumption is so high? |
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Jul 16 2012, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE(stix @ Jul 16 2012, 09:30 PM) if our car industry was an open market, it would'nt be hard. look at the US, koreans sell remarkably there. its not about the openness of the market i believe. but its more to people here kinda haunted by yesteryears horror stories about korean cars. poor built, back stabbings, mediocre performance. u name it, they are all there. some were poor built beyond rectification. trajets and carnivals owners still haunted by Ria. u would be totally mad to even consider any of these koreans. the problem is, the horror stories are not long ago. or not long enough for the market to forget. many would NEVER touch a korean make again. new generations or not, for them doesnt matter. u cant blame them for thinking as such. they learnt the hard way. thats why i keep repeating about how the current owners should be pampered by kia or naza the official people here. these people are those that matter the most if kia is serious about coming back. pampered means no long long time finding parts, sui sui servicing etc etc. it will take years but the work start now. as for kia in the US, they are selling good because its darn cheap over there. market in the US is very different compared to here at least in term of good after sales/ good tradition histories. they buy what they want and car makers dont really have traditional/history foot prints over there except for maybe the american and german brands |
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Jul 16 2012, 09:54 PM
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I was also quite skeptical towards Korean cars but I frequently go to Autocar website and the Elantra/i30 always gets a good review from the site and a few others.
I've also came across on articles where the VW boss, Herr Winterkorn was impressed with the quality of the i30 and his action while viewing the car and asking his team on why they can't do the same thing with their products was caught on video. He was impressed with the little details like how the wipers can't be seen from the driving position. I would buy the Elantra without any hesitation if it is positioned at a similar price with Forte here. Sadly they put it closer to the Japanese rivals and the fact that it has less airbags compared to Forte has put me off. I really like the design but I guess that I can't have everything, low price, good features and safety. Afterall Hyundai is now charging a premium on the Elantra in the US compared to Civic and Focus. http://www.cbt.com.my/2012/06/12/us-market...ets-price-hike/ This post has been edited by alg7_munif: Jul 16 2012, 09:57 PM |
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Jul 16 2012, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(Loopster @ Jul 16 2012, 08:49 PM) Another Opinion 10liter/100km on econ mode? is econ mode = sport mode?Test drove new civic 2.0 over the weekend. Better than expected after all the negative comments heard. Summary is as follows: Like: Drive, cornering, steering, interior, exterior, fuel economy, not need to press button to unlock car Dislike: Acceleration, radio design, rims Although much the same power as previous gen, acceleration even on second gearpaddleshift is not to my expectation, very linear delivery thanks to soch migration. Spoke with owner of 8gen 2.0L civic, he told me acceleration has less roar and surge. With RM90 which is near full tank, the 2.0L will take you 450-460km max with econ mode on according to salesman. Overall i'm generally pleased with quality of car. Last thing and can others verify this...salesman told me 0-100 is about 13 secs for 2.0L? Too bad i didnt try but this sounds very the sucky. I will test Ford Focus as second choice before i decide to change car. To me, i'll pass on Elantra. |
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Jul 16 2012, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jul 16 2012, 09:57 PM) 10liter/100km on econ mode? is econ mode = sport mode? Econ = ECONomy, means slow acceleration, less power and early upshifts. |
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Jul 16 2012, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE(alg7_munif @ Jul 16 2012, 09:59 PM) Econ = ECONomy, means slow acceleration, less power and early upshifts. civic sound abit thristy with those kind of FC even on Econ mode... |
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Jul 16 2012, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jul 16 2012, 10:01 PM) civic sound abit thristy with those kind of FC even on Econ mode... dont think it gets to 10L per km on econ buttonbut it does then it wud be very scary if NOT on econ button |
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Jul 16 2012, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jul 16 2012, 10:01 PM) civic sound abit thristy with those kind of FC even on Econ mode... lucky i saw thismight really reconsider getting one as i prefer a lower consp car what about the hybrid civic? why less demand? |
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Jul 16 2012, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE(xtjs @ Jul 16 2012, 10:03 PM) lucky i saw this People who buy hybrid would like others to know that they are different so they will choose a hybrid car which looks different. To most people, it is hard to see the difference between normal Civic and the Hybrid version, not to mention the price is also quite high.might really reconsider getting one as i prefer a lower consp car what about the hybrid civic? why less demand? This post has been edited by alg7_munif: Jul 16 2012, 10:13 PM |
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Jul 16 2012, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE(xtjs @ Jul 16 2012, 10:03 PM) lucky i saw this dont think the figure is correct though.might really reconsider getting one as i prefer a lower consp car what about the hybrid civic? why less demand? australian civic which is more or less the same like ours, been quoted 7.5litre per 100km (cbt, 2012) no mention it was with econ button ON or not |
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Jul 16 2012, 10:20 PM
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mazda 6 2.0L only 2 airbag right ? big turnoff and no rear ac for D segment....
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Jul 16 2012, 10:59 PM
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deep down in the heart of every Malaysian, they wanna get Honda..
unfortunately, Honda price is a bit turn off..so, just buy other cheaper model.. this is based on my experience..others may differ with me |
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Jul 16 2012, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE(Kirie @ Jul 16 2012, 10:59 PM) deep down in the heart of every Malaysian, they wanna get Honda.. "every Malaysian" sounds exaggerated bro, sound like a Honda die hard fan.. ppl who buy merc n beemer dont think they wan a honda.. there r many other ppl still buy other more expensive brand than honda la..unfortunately, Honda price is a bit turn off..so, just buy other cheaper model.. this is based on my experience..others may differ with me |
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Jul 17 2012, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jul 16 2012, 11:46 PM) "every Malaysian" sounds exaggerated bro, sound like a Honda die hard fan.. ppl who buy merc n beemer dont think they wan a honda.. there r many other ppl still buy other more expensive brand than honda la.. yup..i want to exaggerate |
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Jul 17 2012, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE(stix @ Jul 16 2012, 09:30 PM) if our car industry was an open market, it would'nt be hard. look at the US, koreans sell remarkably there. korean marques sell remarkably in the US? do you have any sales figure to back that up? well, no doubt that their sales are improving, but they are still playing catching up in the US market.for the month of june 2012: -- The Ford F- series pickup remains king, but the Chevrolet Silverado pickup is back as America’s No. 2 seller in June after being bumped recently by the Toyota Camry. However, the redesigned 2012 Camry leads Silverado through the first six months, 213,903 to 194,508. -- It’s a sedan traffic jam on June’s best-seller list. Mid-sized and small cars are packed tightly in the sales race. It’s No. 3 Toyota Camry with 32,107 sales followed by Chevrolet Malibu at 31,402 and Honda Accord at 28,924, then No. 7 Honda Civic 27,500, Toyota Corolla 26,647 and No. 9 Ford Fusion at 24,433. Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20120703/R...1#ixzz20nqzurds so yeah, most of US citizens still prefer the 2012 toyota camry and the 2012 honda civic. This post has been edited by cody1508: Jul 17 2012, 12:14 AM |
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Jul 17 2012, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 16 2012, 07:47 PM) Been burnt once and once is too much IMO. But that aside, I and my wife have been actively scouting a 2nd car for the past month and we both agreed that the KIA Forte represented the best bang for buck. My wife was even impressed during the test drive and we even got a good SA that offered us fantastic discount. My research also showed that the after sales is at an acceptable level, though not as good as the T&H marque but still good enough to be deemed as a problem free purchase. Resale value of the Forte is also surprisingly good after talking to a few 2nd hand dealers...but whenever I asked if she placed her deposit with the car, she would always give some excuse like not free or too busy with work or distracted by some other thing and this went on for the past month. Then came last Sunday, we went to view the new Civic and after taking it for a test drive, she immediately paid the deposit and booked the car, LOL! same goes to me, before this , i had almost booked elantra, but kept delaying..when civic comes out, elantra is never on my mind anymore At the end of the day, it's what she's comfortable buying la bro. Koreans may have improved but they have a huge perception issue to overcome in the hearts of Malaysians |
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Jul 17 2012, 01:29 AM
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new civic gave me an omg look, very fuglly, only honda fans love it.
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Jul 17 2012, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE(Kirie @ Jul 16 2012, 10:59 PM) deep down in the heart of every Malaysian, they wanna get Honda.. this could be true 5 years back. However, i don't see the trend now. Currently, driving a honda myself. Will be looking at a ford, kia or hyundai as my next car. unfortunately, Honda price is a bit turn off..so, just buy other cheaper model.. this is based on my experience..others may differ with me a little disappointed with the interior of the newly launched civic. |
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Jul 17 2012, 09:41 AM
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Let's wait and see 5 years down the line, if you still defend your position with regards to resale value and service quality ???!!!! LOL
QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 16 2012, 01:13 AM) Are u sure the bad feedback was from Naza or previous Kia's? How would you know unless uve experienced it yourself? Most of these so called 'bad feedback' come from previous gen Koreans. But, im not saying current after sales standards are on par with the Japs. Sure it isnt. But its improved alot in the last 2 years especially. We can't expect overnight changes. But is after sales service standards more important than value for money? Would you pay about 35K more to get better after sales service & resale value since specs are basically the same between the 2.0L Forte and the 2.0L Civic? You would i guess but i think 35K is too much to pay. I faced the same dilemma when i was choosing my car. Yes i could have gone with the masses and booked myself a Camry but at what cost? I find it comical that ppl talk endlessly bout the importance of resale value but they are fine with paying top dollar for something with far less specs initially. Somehow, value for money for them does have a different definition. |
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Jul 17 2012, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(yaosianz @ Jul 17 2012, 03:27 AM) The Honda Civic has been launched in four variants: the 1.8 for RM 115,980, the 2.0 for RM 131,980, the 2.0 Navi for RM 136,980 and the Civic Hybrid priced at RM 119,980. reminds me of preve  check out the launch article here |
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Jul 17 2012, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(cody1508 @ Jul 17 2012, 12:11 AM) korean marques sell remarkably in the US? do you have any sales figure to back that up? well, no doubt that their sales are improving, but they are still playing catching up in the US market. lazy to explain. keyword: hyundai elantra.for the month of june 2012: -- The Ford F- series pickup remains king, but the Chevrolet Silverado pickup is back as America’s No. 2 seller in June after being bumped recently by the Toyota Camry. However, the redesigned 2012 Camry leads Silverado through the first six months, 213,903 to 194,508. -- It’s a sedan traffic jam on June’s best-seller list. Mid-sized and small cars are packed tightly in the sales race. It’s No. 3 Toyota Camry with 32,107 sales followed by Chevrolet Malibu at 31,402 and Honda Accord at 28,924, then No. 7 Honda Civic 27,500, Toyota Corolla 26,647 and No. 9 Ford Fusion at 24,433. Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20120703/R...1#ixzz20nqzurds so yeah, most of US citizens still prefer the 2012 toyota camry and the 2012 honda civic. |
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Jul 17 2012, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(Kirie @ Jul 16 2012, 10:59 PM) deep down in the heart of every Malaysian, they wanna get Honda.. You remind me back early 20's when looking for car. Deep in my hearts, I always like to have a Honda car. That time is gen5/6 which is good sale and look. But the price is expensive. I only can afford rm100k car. So get another brand and wait passionly. unfortunately, Honda price is a bit turn off..so, just buy other cheaper model.. this is based on my experience..others may differ with me Honda gen7 arrived and a big dissapointment with the design. Pass this gen7 and continue drive with my old car. Gen8 arrived and this is it. Trade in my old car and get this gen8. Dream come true. But it is enough for me for the Honda car. The price is just too expensive now and doesn't make sense. |
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Jul 17 2012, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 17 2012, 11:08 AM) You remind me back early 20's when looking for car. Deep in my hearts, I always like to have a Honda car. That time is gen5/6 which is good sale and look. But the price is expensive. I only can afford rm100k car. So get another brand and wait passionly. nice bro Honda gen7 arrived and a big dissapointment with the design. Pass this gen7 and continue drive with my old car. Gen8 arrived and this is it. Trade in my old car and get this gen8. Dream come true. But it is enough for me for the Honda car. The price is just too expensive now and doesn't make sense.This post has been edited by Kirie: Jul 17 2012, 11:45 AM |
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Jul 17 2012, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(stix @ Jul 17 2012, 11:03 AM) lazy to explain. keyword: hyundai elantra. the elantra? well, it ranks no 19 in america's june 2012 best selling list and its sales dropped 5.4% compared to june 2011. in fact the best selling korean marque in america is the hyundai sonata at no 15. so what about elantra? no doubt that it won the 2011 best compact car in north america, but it can't even touch the sales of the universally panned 2012 honda civic. you see, i'm not trying to bash the koreans, they make good cars recently like the elantra and optima, but not just malaysians suck up to toyota and honda, even the americans as well.This post has been edited by cody1508: Jul 17 2012, 12:20 PM |
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Jul 17 2012, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(cody1508 @ Jul 17 2012, 12:17 PM) the elantra? well, it ranks no 19 in america's june 2012 best selling list and its sales dropped 5.4% compared to june 2011. in fact the best selling korean marque in america is the hyundai sonata at no 15. so what about elantra? no doubt that it won the 2011 best compact car in north america, but it can't even touch the sales of the universally panned 2012 honda civic. you see, i'm not trying to bash the koreans, they make good cars recently like the elantra and optima, but not just malaysians suck up to toyota and honda, even the americans as well. Bro ure not getting the point. Would Americans still buy the Camry if it came with 2 airbags and a 10 yr old gearbox and engine? But Malaysians are still doing that despite having to pay so much more. So u cant compare Americans and Malaysians and say both are the same. Yes both may support the same brand but they are not supporting the same specs at the same price level. If the current Camry came with the same specs as its American counterparts, even i might be tempted to get the Camry ( that is if i can overcome the poor design). This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 17 2012, 12:55 PM |
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Jul 17 2012, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(kimusu2002 @ Jul 17 2012, 09:41 AM) Let's wait and see 5 years down the line, if you still defend your position with regards to resale value and service quality ???!!!! LOL And what is my position again? |
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Jul 17 2012, 03:20 PM
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i dont see how the Gen 8 Civic is more stylish or beautiful than the Gen 9 Civic .Maybe Honda have plenty to live up to after the Gen8 has given them much success and adoration.
It is a proven brand and as such it ought to sell more expensive than its competitor especially with malaysian mindset businessman. i personally have seen the new civic at honda showroom and see nothing wrong with it even with the much critisized hard plastic dashboard the SOHC was preferred for better FC without compromising much on power and i'm sure many potential buyer will like this . the 5 years unlimited mileage warranty offer a peace of mind and there are extras features added in as well with 1 or 2 k more than previous model. so what is the fuss about This post has been edited by starship1: Jul 17 2012, 03:22 PM |
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Jul 17 2012, 03:38 PM
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Too expensive and ugly
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Jul 17 2012, 03:41 PM
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have to agree with starship's comments. I've test drove the new civic, and vtec still sounds as good as ever. don't think the exterior is as bad as publicized - you just have to see it in metal. interior is not the greatest, but I can live w tht. Will be booking one soon + adding the modulo kit
i do agree tht the driving exp is not as "spirited" as compared to a vw, but for 130K - is there a better option out there? besides, i've browsed through vw forum and there are just too many common issues on failed mechatronics, dsg gb, etc. althought it's covered by warranty, leaving ur car in the workshop for a few weeks is not cool i think civic is one of the best option out there given the price range. i've also looked at other models, but most of it are nearing the end of its lifecycle. my plan is to get the new mazda 6 w its new takeri concept in the next 2-3 yrs so getting a car now w good resale value is an important factor for me personally |
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Jul 17 2012, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(winger7 @ Jul 17 2012, 03:41 PM) have to agree with starship's comments. I've test drove the new civic, and vtec still sounds as good as ever. don't think the exterior is as bad as publicized - you just have to see it in metal. interior is not the greatest, but I can live w tht. Will be booking one soon + adding the modulo kit Since ure already planning to change in the next 2 years, whats the problem in going for another make even if its nearing its end of cycle? I still think that for RM 132K, ure better off getting the current Mazda 6 2.0L at RM 133K (OTR) with 60,000 km free service.i do agree tht the driving exp is not as "spirited" as compared to a vw, but for 130K - is there a better option out there? besides, i've browsed through vw forum and there are just too many common issues on failed mechatronics, dsg gb, etc. althought it's covered by warranty, leaving ur car in the workshop for a few weeks is not cool i think civic is one of the best option out there given the price range. i've also looked at other models, but most of it are nearing the end of its lifecycle. my plan is to get the new mazda 6 w its new takeri concept in the next 2-3 yrs so getting a car now w good resale value is an important factor for me personally |
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Jul 17 2012, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(winger7 @ Jul 17 2012, 03:41 PM) have to agree with starship's comments. I've test drove the new civic, and vtec still sounds as good as ever. don't think the exterior is as bad as publicized - you just have to see it in metal. interior is not the greatest, but I can live w tht. Will be booking one soon + adding the modulo kit Thumbs Up bro. I actually cancelled my 1.8 Elantra due to a heartache n really bad experience with the SC and HQ. Now I feel like it's a blessing in disguise esp after test drive the new Civic 2.0S. ETA < 1 mth i do agree tht the driving exp is not as "spirited" as compared to a vw, but for 130K - is there a better option out there? besides, i've browsed through vw forum and there are just too many common issues on failed mechatronics, dsg gb, etc. althought it's covered by warranty, leaving ur car in the workshop for a few weeks is not cool i think civic is one of the best option out there given the price range. i've also looked at other models, but most of it are nearing the end of its lifecycle. my plan is to get the new mazda 6 w its new takeri concept in the next 2-3 yrs so getting a car now w good resale value is an important factor for me personally |
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Jul 17 2012, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE(starship1 @ Jul 17 2012, 03:20 PM) i dont see how the Gen 8 Civic is more stylish or beautiful than the Gen 9 Civic .Maybe Honda have plenty to live up to after the Gen8 has given them much success and adoration. This civic suppose to be cost down version for honda. But here the price is even up higher. Even the engine don't look good compare FD2. Does the price justify.It is a proven brand and as such it ought to sell more expensive than its competitor especially with malaysian mindset businessman. i personally have seen the new civic at honda showroom and see nothing wrong with it even with the much critisized hard plastic dashboard the SOHC was preferred for better FC without compromising much on power and i'm sure many potential buyer will like this . the 5 years unlimited mileage warranty offer a peace of mind and there are extras features added in as well with 1 or 2 k more than previous model. so what is the fuss about Another is, local honda assembly intend to use 60% local content. That should reduce the price and not getting higher. Our local parts more expensive? Is it worth to buy? |
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Jul 17 2012, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 17 2012, 05:25 PM) Since ure already planning to change in the next 2 years, whats the problem in going for another make even if its nearing its end of cycle? I still think that for RM 132K, ure better off getting the current Mazda 6 2.0L at RM 133K (OTR) with 60,000 km free service. tht's one option that I've considered. but then again, assuming I plan to sell off my car in 3 years time - i believe the civic can still fetch a price of about 100K based on the price trend i see in carlist. and this will still be an attractive buy for potential buyers as there will still be remaining of 2 yrs warranty. however, i dont think mazda 6's value will be on par w civic in 3 years time, especially when there's already a newer model out there in the market. just my 2 cents |
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Jul 17 2012, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(winger7 @ Jul 17 2012, 07:19 PM) tht's one option that I've considered. but then again, assuming I plan to sell off my car in 3 years time - i believe the civic can still fetch a price of about 100K based on the price trend i see in carlist. and this will still be an attractive buy for potential buyers as there will still be remaining of 2 yrs warranty. however, i dont think mazda 6's value will be on par w civic in 3 years time, especially when there's already a newer model out there in the market. just my 2 cents New model introduce next year, 2013 earliest, 2014 if delay. The earliest you see people start selling the car also around 2016, there may be some who will sell the car in 2015 but that number is negligible. If you buy the M6 now, you will also sell earliest by 2015, no issues there but 3 years is a long time and anything can happen. So how sure are you that you will 100% sell the car by then, be it Civic or something else? |
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Jul 17 2012, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(winger7 @ Jul 17 2012, 07:19 PM) tht's one option that I've considered. but then again, assuming I plan to sell off my car in 3 years time - i believe the civic can still fetch a price of about 100K based on the price trend i see in carlist. and this will still be an attractive buy for potential buyers as there will still be remaining of 2 yrs warranty. however, i dont think mazda 6's value will be on par w civic in 3 years time, especially when there's already a newer model out there in the market. just my 2 cents good idea bro.. u can sell your civic at that time with RM100k price tag easily  |
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Jul 17 2012, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 17 2012, 06:13 PM) This civic suppose to be cost down version for honda. But here the price is even up higher. Even the engine don't look good compare FD2. Does the price justify. bro, i don't think i have ever seen a new model launched which is priced cheaper than its previous version. the price increase for 2.0 is about 2K. if you averaged out 2K over ~5 years, and factor in the inflation, and some of the features given and also the new 5 years warranty - i dont think the buyers are any worse off. i think the debate between SOHC vs. DOHC will be never ending, but to the normal users - i dont think the difference will be obvious.Another is, local honda assembly intend to use 60% local content. That should reduce the price and not getting higher. Our local parts more expensive? Is it worth to buy? btw, i dont understand when ppl debate over if a car is value for money. i always see a car as a lifestyle, and a choice. i've already accepted the fact tht owning a car in malaysia will never be cheap. so the question should always be - how much you are willing to spend? not which offers the best value.. cars that are so called value for money usually have an underlying reason why they are priced lower.. right? haha |
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QUOTE(winger7 @ Jul 17 2012, 07:34 PM) bro, i don't think i have ever seen a new model launched which is priced cheaper than its previous version. the price increase for 2.0 is about 2K. if you averaged out 2K over ~5 years, and factor in the inflation, and some of the features given and also the new 5 years warranty - i dont think the buyers are any worse off. i think the debate between SOHC vs. DOHC will be never ending, but to the normal users - i dont think the difference will be obvious. Cant agree more!!!!btw, i dont understand when ppl debate over if a car is value for money. i always see a car as a lifestyle, and a choice. i've already accepted the fact tht owning a car in malaysia will never be cheap. so the question should always be - how much you are willing to spend? not which offers the best value.. cars that are so called value for money usually have an underlying reason why they are priced lower.. right? haha |
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 17 2012, 07:28 PM) New model introduce next year, 2013 earliest, 2014 if delay. The earliest you see people start selling the car also around 2016, there may be some who will sell the car in 2015 but that number is negligible. If you buy the M6 now, you will also sell earliest by 2015, no issues there but 3 years is a long time and anything can happen. So how sure are you that you will 100% sell the car by then, be it Civic or something else? haha, well i guess this is just my short term plan. in 3 yrs time, w my increments, bonus and promotions - i should be able to afford a car above 160K quite comfortably. and by then, i'll expect a whole new range of car models to choose from. so an upgrade by then, sounds well deserved so between M6 and civic, i'll expect civic to carry a higher value. although M6 may be a better car, but it has been around for far too long. i rather get a newly launched car. and worst case, if i dont intend to sell - it should still be a good car to use for a couple more years considering it's still under warranty and part of the servicing is still covered |
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Jul 17 2012, 08:16 PM
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+1 winger7 !
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Jul 17 2012, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE(winger7 @ Jul 17 2012, 07:34 PM) bro, i don't think i have ever seen a new model launched which is priced cheaper than its previous version. the price increase for 2.0 is about 2K. if you averaged out 2K over ~5 years, and factor in the inflation, and some of the features given and also the new 5 years warranty - i dont think the buyers are any worse off. i think the debate between SOHC vs. DOHC will be never ending, but to the normal users - i dont think the difference will be obvious. on the bolded part i think we cant really defend the indefensiblebtw, i dont understand when ppl debate over if a car is value for money. i always see a car as a lifestyle, and a choice. i've already accepted the fact tht owning a car in malaysia will never be cheap. so the question should always be - how much you are willing to spend? not which offers the best value.. cars that are so called value for money usually have an underlying reason why they are priced lower.. right? haha i am a normal user drive to work and home, oustations, back hometown, the lot. given choice of single cam or double cam, i would prefer double cam everytime. people may shout about saving fuel blah blah blah but DOHC advantages are well documented with a DOHC i can still save fuel. just press the pedal more gently. the moment i need the power of DOHC, i have them ready at my disposal. but with a SOHC, where the extra urge gonna come from? value for money in a car is its overall performances i.e good brand, superb aftersales, aftermarket, peace of mind, great resale value (if u need it but i think most people need this if not all people). for example one people here i see want to change car after 3 years so that person need a car with great value. i dont treat a car as a lifestyle to be honest. if i do then i would want a lambo. currently i am waiting delivery of my white 2.0L non navi. if it arrives this week then this will be the very first time i buy a car WITHOUT test driving it. but never say never, before i sign off the letters, everything IS POSSIBLE. |
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Jul 17 2012, 08:39 PM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 17 2012, 08:27 PM) on the bolded part i think we cant really defend the indefensible Hey last I recall, years ago you bought the Honda city right?i am a normal user drive to work and home, oustations, back hometown, the lot. given choice of single cam or double cam, i would prefer double cam everytime. people may shout about saving fuel blah blah blah but DOHC advantages are well documented with a DOHC i can still save fuel. just press the pedal more gently. the moment i need the power of DOHC, i have them ready at my disposal. but with a SOHC, where the extra urge gonna come from? value for money in a car is its overall performances i.e good brand, superb aftersales, aftermarket, peace of mind, great resale value (if u need it but i think most people need this if not all people). for example one people here i see want to change car after 3 years so that person need a car with great value. i dont treat a car as a lifestyle to be honest. if i do then i would want a lambo. currently i am waiting delivery of my white 2.0L non navi. if it arrives this week then this will be the very first time i buy a car WITHOUT test driving it. but never say never, before i sign off the letters, everything IS POSSIBLE. |
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Jul 17 2012, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 17 2012, 08:39 PM) Hey last I recall, years ago you bought the Honda city right? yeah. got that city 5 months after launching back in 09me and that kevin23 guy we kinda racing raking up the miles and he won haha |
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Jul 17 2012, 09:30 PM
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Test drove the new Civic, power is definitely there and gear changes are smooth despite being a 5-speeder. The car looks elegant in the metal but it lost the wow factor of the 8th Gen. But one thing that separates the new Civic from the old.....it's driving experience. Handling is top notch and car feels planted. If one is truly in the market for a new car, one needs to test drive the Civic and not just look at the spec sheet.
The only gripe I have for the car would be the engine cover which looks a little too common for my liking. |
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Jul 17 2012, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 17 2012, 08:47 PM) yeah. got that city 5 months after launching back in 09 Congrates on the 2.0s. I'm sure you will enjoy it. I enjoyed the test drive myself and is actually damn surprised how fast my wife booked the new Civic after dragging her feet on the forte for the whole month.me and that kevin23 guy we kinda racing raking up the miles and he won haha |
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Jul 17 2012, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(winger7 @ Jul 17 2012, 07:34 PM) bro, i don't think i have ever seen a new model launched which is priced cheaper than its previous version. the price increase for 2.0 is about 2K. if you averaged out 2K over ~5 years, and factor in the inflation, and some of the features given and also the new 5 years warranty - i dont think the buyers are any worse off. i think the debate between SOHC vs. DOHC will be never ending, but to the normal users - i dont think the difference will be obvious. Well Said my friend.btw, i dont understand when ppl debate over if a car is value for money. i always see a car as a lifestyle, and a choice. i've already accepted the fact tht owning a car in malaysia will never be cheap. so the question should always be - how much you are willing to spend? not which offers the best value.. cars that are so called value for money usually have an underlying reason why they are priced lower.. right? haha |
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Jul 17 2012, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 17 2012, 10:03 PM) Congrates on the 2.0s. I'm sure you will enjoy it. I enjoyed the test drive myself and is actually damn surprised how fast my wife booked the new Civic after dragging her feet on the forte for the whole month. same to u mate on the second car for the familyi like the dedication in presenting the comparison table and of course we can do research as much as we want but in the end of the day what the missus like thats all that matter |
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Jul 17 2012, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 17 2012, 06:13 PM) This civic suppose to be cost down version for honda. But here the price is even up higher. Even the engine don't look good compare FD2. Does the price justify. local content doesn't mean cheaper partsAnother is, local honda assembly intend to use 60% local content. That should reduce the price and not getting higher. Our local parts more expensive? Is it worth to buy? typically locally assembled cars has a lower price due to tax differences but to say that local content means cheaper parts, hence lower car price is not always accurate you need to look at the volume and economy of scale for the local made parts which would you think make the cheaper part? - a factory in japan producing a part at a volume of 100,000 a year - a local factory making 10,000 of the same part a year |
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Jul 17 2012, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(winger7 @ Jul 17 2012, 07:19 PM) tht's one option that I've considered. but then again, assuming I plan to sell off my car in 3 years time - i believe the civic can still fetch a price of about 100K based on the price trend i see in carlist. and this will still be an attractive buy for potential buyers as there will still be remaining of 2 yrs warranty. however, i dont think mazda 6's value will be on par w civic in 3 years time, especially when there's already a newer model out there in the market. just my 2 cents There is this talk about market liberalisation in 2015-2016, don't know how true is it but if it happens, your 3 years plan will go down to the drain. |
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Jul 17 2012, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE(alg7_munif @ Jul 17 2012, 10:57 PM) There is this talk about market liberalisation in 2015-2016, don't know how true is it but if it happens, your 3 years plan will go down to the drain. well, if that really happens, and assuming used car prices erode - then i always have the option to keep it or pass it to my parents. and i'm sure many ppl incl myself is one step closer to owning luxury cars within an affordable price range. consumer still wins at the end of the day. and my 3 yr plan has been fast forwarded to 5 years or more, cuz by then - i can drive home a premium conti car sooner than expected! |
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Jul 17 2012, 11:39 PM
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QUOTE(winger7 @ Jul 17 2012, 11:18 PM) well, if that really happens, and assuming used car prices erode - then i always have the option to keep it or pass it to my parents. and i'm sure many ppl incl myself is one step closer to owning luxury cars within an affordable price range. consumer still wins at the end of the day. and my 3 yr plan has been fast forwarded to 5 years or more, cuz by then - i can drive home a premium conti car sooner than expected! Premium conti is definitely possible if you are taking a 3 year loan for the civic now or paying it in full. A 110k loan is still about 2.1k to pay every month for 5 years, 1.8k or so if 9 years. My relative is paying 3.4k now for a loan of 246k for 7 years... Ouch So if you see yourself being able to put in 2.5k to 3.5k per month or put a huge downpayment. It's definitely very possible to achieve that goal 3 Years from now |
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Jul 18 2012, 12:05 AM
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Yea i must agree that the Mazda6 is a nice looking car in exterior and especially interior.
But after all the fuss about Korean cars n all, i think i still prefer the new civic so far. If only the new civic had a sunroof i think their sales will be boosted!To be fair, i will test drive my friends Elantra soon. To the guy who bought without test driving, dont worry, many have here including myself and feedback is positive on handling. To the dude who cancelled the Elantra and bought civic, can you elaborate on how different the handling/bumpiness/cornering/acceleration/engine noise/etc is? Thanks... |
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Jul 18 2012, 07:41 AM
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Has anybody test drive the Hybrid version, and perhaps can share here.? =)
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Jul 18 2012, 08:17 AM
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the rear view is like a merc well i wish i can own the civic one day
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Jul 18 2012, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE(_H20_ @ Jul 18 2012, 08:17 AM) the rear view is like a merc well i wish i can own the civic one day hope your wish will come true..that's why i told every Malaysian have a dream to drive Honda  |
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Jul 18 2012, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE(winger7 @ Jul 17 2012, 07:34 PM) btw, i dont understand when ppl debate over if a car is value for money. i always see a car as a lifestyle, and a choice. i've already accepted the fact tht owning a car in malaysia will never be cheap. so the question should always be - how much you are willing to spend? not which offers the best value.. cars that are so called value for money usually have an underlying reason why they are priced lower.. right? haha |
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Jul 18 2012, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE(winger7 @ Jul 17 2012, 07:34 PM) bro, i don't think i have ever seen a new model launched which is priced cheaper than its previous version. the price increase for 2.0 is about 2K. if you averaged out 2K over ~5 years, and factor in the inflation, and some of the features given and also the new 5 years warranty - i dont think the buyers are any worse off. i think the debate between SOHC vs. DOHC will be never ending, but to the normal users - i dont think the difference will be obvious. Do you know that the manufacturing side always have an opposite thinking than the average consumer like bro? Each year they will strive for the lowest cost and cut cost to lower down the price of the car. btw, i dont understand when ppl debate over if a car is value for money. i always see a car as a lifestyle, and a choice. i've already accepted the fact tht owning a car in malaysia will never be cheap. so the question should always be - how much you are willing to spend? not which offers the best value.. cars that are so called value for money usually have an underlying reason why they are priced lower.. right? haha And yet, we keep thinking the car price MUST go up. Gen8 already price up 3x from RM120k if not mistaken. Put in some different design accessory and up the price. The base car it still the same. The torque of the car is still the same. The engine is still the same. So what change? Does the gen9 better than the gen8? Do the engine have more HP and torque? Does the handling better than the gen8? This car if not lifestyle. You pay additional RM34k+ stupid tax to the gov. And see this car as an expensive car? The japanese is laughing at me. Added on July 18, 2012, 10:04 am QUOTE(electron @ Jul 17 2012, 10:54 PM) local content doesn't mean cheaper parts If can't lower the price from the local content, than no point saying want to acheive 60% local content. Does it make sense? typically locally assembled cars has a lower price due to tax differences but to say that local content means cheaper parts, hence lower car price is not always accurate you need to look at the volume and economy of scale for the local made parts which would you think make the cheaper part? - a factory in japan producing a part at a volume of 100,000 a year - a local factory making 10,000 of the same part a year I guess you are more happy if the whole car is made in japan content.This post has been edited by ozak: Jul 18 2012, 10:04 AM |
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Jul 18 2012, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 18 2012, 09:15 AM) Bro, since ure aware that Malaysian car prices are expensive, all the more reason why VALUE FOR MONEY should be a major consideration. Having something that's value for money doesnt mean it must be cheaper than the rest. It can cost more but also be value for money. Its all about what you get for that price tag. A Vios costs about 80K but is it value for money? Surely not. why dont we have the configurator like others got outside?i mean got the basic price and people want what they want then add up la. then add up sure got price increase this system may cost more but in the end we pay what we want, and it also can give better definition 'value for money' according to personal specific market size is a problem? i dont think so. |
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Jul 18 2012, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(Kirie @ Jul 18 2012, 08:54 AM) hope your wish will come true.. Well, kinda misleading, not every malaysian, most malaysian prefer Toyota first that's why i told every Malaysian have a dream to drive Honda |
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Jul 18 2012, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(sparrowed @ Jul 18 2012, 11:07 AM) Well, kinda misleading, not every malaysian, most malaysian prefer Toyota first since this is Honda thread, so I wanna mislead people..haha |
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Jul 18 2012, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 18 2012, 10:51 AM) why dont we have the configurator like others got outside? too much customization might not be cost effective.. using many man hours to customize each car, and parts can be oversupply if its not popular or shortage if its over demand, causes a lot of cost inefficiency..i mean got the basic price and people want what they want then add up la. then add up sure got price increase this system may cost more but in the end we pay what we want, and it also can give better definition 'value for money' according to personal specific market size is a problem? i dont think so. From business point of view, just setting to few variance is enough. But for consumer, we might be over buying things that we dont want.. its all about business and profit bro.. |
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Jul 18 2012, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE(sparrowed @ Jul 18 2012, 11:07 AM) Well, kinda misleading, not every malaysian, most malaysian prefer Toyota first wrong most Malaysian uncle prefer Toyota first but youngsters and womans would prefer Honda |
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Jul 18 2012, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 18 2012, 09:15 AM) Bro, since ure aware that Malaysian car prices are expensive, all the more reason why VALUE FOR MONEY should be a major consideration. Having something that's value for money doesnt mean it must be cheaper than the rest. It can cost more but also be value for money. Its all about what you get for that price tag. A Vios costs about 80K but is it value for money? Surely not. lousy kia forte isnt value for money car either. its a crappy car, washing machine engine note, poor drive etc, and its for 90k.say waht u want, it may not be value when u buy new, but when u sell 5 yrs down, in malaysia where u live, honda n toyota holds value 10x better than a korean crap. i sold my almost 7 yr old fd2 for 85k, bought new 125k. need i say more? jus bcoz kia chief designer now come from audi, dun dream ur driving an audi now if ur driving a kia kiddo! and mazda6 over fb? imo, mazda 6 lacks character in drive and definitely under power. u need at least the 2.5 kiddo. 2.0 is bare like milo tin kosong |
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Jul 18 2012, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jul 18 2012, 01:46 PM) lousy kia forte isnt value for money car either. its a crappy car, washing machine engine note, poor drive etc, and its for 90k. well said..say waht u want, it may not be value when u buy new, but when u sell 5 yrs down, in malaysia where u live, honda n toyota holds value 10x better than a korean crap. i sold my almost 7 yr old fd2 for 85k, bought new 125k. need i say more? jus bcoz kia chief designer now come from audi, dun dream ur driving an audi now if ur driving a kia kiddo! and mazda6 over fb? imo, mazda 6 lacks character in drive and definitely under power. u need at least the 2.5 kiddo. 2.0 is bare like milo tin kosong myself drive a vios.my friend keeps telling me its a dugong..so do i care?the maintenance of my vios is lower than a proton..never give any trouble..good FC...and most important, my friend will butthurt to see i pocket more than 20k when selling the car next year and get a civic (hopefully lah ) |
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Jul 18 2012, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jul 18 2012, 01:46 PM) lousy kia forte isnt value for money car either. its a crappy car, washing machine engine note, poor drive etc, and its for 90k. hmm, sounds like you own a forte and had a horrible time on it, mind to share your horrible experience towards the car? say waht u want, it may not be value when u buy new, but when u sell 5 yrs down, in malaysia where u live, honda n toyota holds value 10x better than a korean crap. i sold my almost 7 yr old fd2 for 85k, bought new 125k. need i say more? jus bcoz kia chief designer now come from audi, dun dream ur driving an audi now if ur driving a kia kiddo! and mazda6 over fb? imo, mazda 6 lacks character in drive and definitely under power. u need at least the 2.5 kiddo. 2.0 is bare like milo tin kosong |
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Jul 18 2012, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jul 18 2012, 01:46 PM) lousy kia forte isnt value for money car either. its a crappy car, washing machine engine note, poor drive etc, and its for 90k. Its only you who assumed that we assumed we're driving an Audi. If u wanna argue, please do so with facts yea? say waht u want, it may not be value when u buy new, but when u sell 5 yrs down, in malaysia where u live, honda n toyota holds value 10x better than a korean crap. i sold my almost 7 yr old fd2 for 85k, bought new 125k. need i say more? jus bcoz kia chief designer now come from audi, dun dream ur driving an audi now if ur driving a kia kiddo! and mazda6 over fb? imo, mazda 6 lacks character in drive and definitely under power. u need at least the 2.5 kiddo. 2.0 is bare like milo tin kosong And btw, i was a Toyota user for 9 years and i have never denied the good resale value or the after sales service standards of Toyota. And even if the Forte isnt as good as an Audi, its still the best value for money 2.0L out there at RM97K. And since ure talking about being underpowered, im sure u havent test driven the Camry 2.0L and yes i presume the Mazda6 has more character than the Civic eh? LOL! Again, go read the previous posts rather than butting in half way with some half baked replies. Btw, hows Flora Damansara these days? Added on July 18, 2012, 5:48 pm QUOTE(denfire @ Jul 18 2012, 05:26 PM) hmm, sounds like you own a forte and had a horrible time on it, mind to share your horrible experience towards the car? Read his previous posts and ull be able to figure out what car he drives now. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out.Added on July 18, 2012, 5:51 pm QUOTE(hazremi @ Jul 18 2012, 04:28 PM) well said.. I got more than 37K when i sold my 9 yr old Vios. Great resale value and good after sales service but was the car worth its 74K price tag? Surely not with the kind of crap specs i got. Plus with that super thin milo body and hard plastics all around, im glad i didnt get into any major accidents. myself drive a vios.my friend keeps telling me its a dugong..so do i care?the maintenance of my vios is lower than a proton..never give any trouble..good FC...and most important, my friend will butthurt to see i pocket more than 20k when selling the car next year and get a civic (hopefully lah )This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 18 2012, 05:53 PM |
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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jul 18 2012, 01:46 PM) lousy kia forte isnt value for money car either. its a crappy car, washing machine engine note, poor drive etc, and its for 90k. fd2 7yrs old? and sells at 85k? wow !!say waht u want, it may not be value when u buy new, but when u sell 5 yrs down, in malaysia where u live, honda n toyota holds value 10x better than a korean crap. i sold my almost 7 yr old fd2 for 85k, bought new 125k. need i say more? jus bcoz kia chief designer now come from audi, dun dream ur driving an audi now if ur driving a kia kiddo! and mazda6 over fb? imo, mazda 6 lacks character in drive and definitely under power. u need at least the 2.5 kiddo. 2.0 is bare like milo tin kosong |
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Jul 18 2012, 06:05 PM
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d way u god praise a forte gives d assumption that u feel ur driving an audi. No more to that. Period.
Best value 2.0L is forte. Give u d benefit of doubt (which ur alr most definite wrong), even ur forte is d best value for money NOW, what happens when u sell 5 yrs later? u gonna bleed like a girl menstruating kiddo. money lost then can cover value gained now? Value is perception, but real money lost when u sell then its d real thing. Y are u so less intelligent? Unless u keep ur forte for 20yrs, then i lose. but not impossible looking at u driving a vios for 9 yrs. 20 yrs is just 9 X 2, + another 2. way to go dude! Just now mazda 6, now camry, next? what i drive is my problem. i dun need u to know what i drive. If u compare even a vios and forte, industry players are not stupid to put a 1.5l car similar price to a 2.0l kiddo. remember this rule - gd things r not cheap, cheap things are not good. u have a long long way to go and learn. sad but true |
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Jul 18 2012, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jul 18 2012, 06:05 PM) d way u god praise a forte gives d assumption that u feel ur driving an audi. No more to that. Period. Typical wannabe mentality. I dont even own a Forte and yet this fool assumes such. Yes for your sake, go on assuming i own a Forte. LOL! Best value 2.0L is forte. Give u d benefit of doubt (which ur alr most definite wrong), even ur forte is d best value for money NOW, what happens when u sell 5 yrs later? u gonna bleed like a girl menstruating kiddo. money lost then can cover value gained now? Value is perception, but real money lost when u sell then its d real thing. Y are u so less intelligent? Unless u keep ur forte for 20yrs, then i lose. but not impossible looking at u driving a vios for 9 yrs. 20 yrs is just 9 X 2, + another 2. way to go dude! Just now mazda 6, now camry, next? what i drive is my problem. i dun need u to know what i drive. If u compare even a vios and forte, industry players are not stupid to put a 1.5l car similar price to a 2.0l kiddo. remember this rule - gd things r not cheap, cheap things are not good. u have a long long way to go and learn. sad but true And yes i dont need to make mistakes like owning some silly property in Flora Damansara to learn something about properties. Pity, ure still living in your make believe world. Must be frustrating to actually stand up to all those who have overtaken you in life eh? I think its you who needs to try harder. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 18 2012, 06:12 PM |
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Jul 18 2012, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 18 2012, 06:09 PM) Typical wannabe mentality. I dont even own a Forte and yet this fool assumes such. Yes for your sake, go on assuming i own a Forte. LOL! oriteAnd yes i dont need to make mistakes like owning some silly property in Flora Damansara to learn something about properties. Pity, ure still living in your make believe world. Must be frustrating to actually stand up to all those who have overtaken you in life eh? I think its you who needs to try harder. jus now mazda 6, then camry now f dsara y do u keep loving to tok bout property in a car forum? r u serious? but jus to make u happy, i admit f dsara was the only prop i could afford then. it was 9 yrs back. bought at 118k. It was not silly, jus i couldnt afford any other props. story now is diff kiddo. not here to show off, but just to cement ur less of intelligence. its too obvious that i had to participate and make fun of it |
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Jul 18 2012, 09:00 PM
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Japanese cars are so good, even before buying the cars people are already thinking about selling them, hence the resale value argument...
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Jul 18 2012, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE(alg7_munif @ Jul 18 2012, 09:00 PM) Japanese cars are so good, even before buying the cars people are already thinking about selling them, hence the resale value argument... that's right.. |
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Jul 18 2012, 09:22 PM
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lat weekend i sawed the cars at tropicanat city mall
jazz hybrid, sexy as usual. insight, so so nia. civic hybrid, interesting, as expected for that price range. if u want a hybrid, but duwan pay 145K, and think that 9XK is too cheap, this car is for you. |
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Jul 18 2012, 10:48 PM
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Is hybrid worth it?
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Jul 18 2012, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE(guilt79 @ Jul 18 2012, 10:48 PM) Is hybrid worth it? i would say yes. but, just. the premium over the basic spec 1.8L is nearly 5k. and with all the gadgetry i.e leather seats (outside install maybe 2k average), push start button keyless entry keyless start ( another 2k? if install outside ), etc, however the best bit the hybrid is CBU which means quality should be top notch. a new powerful engine is another new stuff but i dont quite agree with the price tag actually. people keep asking about test driving the hybrid, but so far i dont see any branch offering it |
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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jul 18 2012, 07:05 PM) d way u god praise a forte gives d assumption that u feel ur driving an audi. No more to that. Period. if everybody in Mysia buys Vios,City,Civic,Avanza we will be like Bangladesh, Indonesia and Cambodia in no time..Best value 2.0L is forte. Give u d benefit of doubt (which ur alr most definite wrong), even ur forte is d best value for money NOW, what happens when u sell 5 yrs later? u gonna bleed like a girl menstruating kiddo. money lost then can cover value gained now? Value is perception, but real money lost when u sell then its d real thing. Y are u so less intelligent? Unless u keep ur forte for 20yrs, then i lose. but not impossible looking at u driving a vios for 9 yrs. 20 yrs is just 9 X 2, + another 2. way to go dude! Just now mazda 6, now camry, next? what i drive is my problem. i dun need u to know what i drive. If u compare even a vios and forte, industry players are not stupid to put a 1.5l car similar price to a 2.0l kiddo. remember this rule - gd things r not cheap, cheap things are not good. u have a long long way to go and learn. sad but true Sorry no offense. What taste or intelligence you think you have if u can't even differentiate some finer things in life such as soft-padded dashboard and trip computers? (fd2 didn't even come with one mind you). Cheers.. |
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Jul 18 2012, 11:52 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 17 2012, 12:35 PM) Bro ure not getting the point. Would Americans still buy the Camry if it came with 2 airbags and a 10 yr old gearbox and engine? But Malaysians are still doing that despite having to pay so much more. So u cant compare Americans and Malaysians and say both are the same. Yes both may support the same brand but they are not supporting the same specs at the same price level. If the current Camry came with the same specs as its American counterparts, even i might be tempted to get the Camry ( that is if i can overcome the poor design). yeh bro, i totally get your point. as you can see, i'm not saying that the camry or the civic ain't overpriced, they are in fact overpriced when compared to the korean marques, but hey kia and hyundai are represented by AP king Naza and government owned SDAC... they are not playing on the same ground since day 1.my argument is actually directed to those that are trying to convince everyone that the rest of the world had abandoned the japanese which ain't true at all. |
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QUOTE(zib5 @ Jul 18 2012, 11:39 PM) if everybody in Mysia buys Vios,City,Civic,Avanza we will be like Bangladesh, Indonesia and Cambodia in no time.. fd2 was produced in 2006, most prob design in 2003 onwards. touch screen, navigation tat time was considered high end features.Sorry no offense. What taste or intelligence you think you have if u can't even differentiate some finer things in life such as soft-padded dashboard and trip computers? (fd2 didn't even come with one mind you). Cheers.. if im brainless like the way u think and talk, even a 520i today RM330k does not come with a reverse camera. Alza today comes with a reverse camera Based on ur brainless comment, alza is a finer car? what utter rubbish This post has been edited by HouLanSaiLei: Jul 19 2012, 12:15 AM |
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QUOTE(HouLanSaiLei @ Jul 19 2012, 01:15 AM) fd2 was produced in 2006, most prob design in 2003 onwards. touch screen, navigation tat time was considered high end features. you missed the point really..anyway..if im brainless like the way u think and talk, even a 520i today RM330k does not come with a reverse camera. Alza today comes with a reverse camera Based on ur brainless comment, alza is a finer car? what utter rubbish it is ok I know your level already by this comment.. cheers |
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Jul 19 2012, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE(cody1508 @ Jul 18 2012, 11:52 PM) yeh bro, i totally get your point. as you can see, i'm not saying that the camry or the civic ain't overpriced, they are in fact overpriced when compared to the korean marques, but hey kia and hyundai are represented by AP king Naza and government owned SDAC... they are not playing on the same ground since day 1. I dont think anybody has said that the world has abandoned the Japs. The sales figures are proof of that. But what many ppl are saying is that the Japanese will become irrelevent in time if they dont keep up with the tech especially when not only the Koreans but also the Europeans are starting to better equip their cars in Asia while still offering affordable pricing.my argument is actually directed to those that are trying to convince everyone that the rest of the world had abandoned the japanese which ain't true at all. |
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Jul 19 2012, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 19 2012, 09:44 AM) I dont think anybody has said that the world has abandoned the Japs. The sales figures are proof of that. But what many ppl are saying is that the Japanese will become irrelevent in time if they dont keep up with the tech especially when not only the Koreans but also the Europeans are starting to better equip their cars in Asia while still offering affordable pricing. well said, totally agreed on you. |
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Jul 19 2012, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 19 2012, 09:44 AM) I dont think anybody has said that the world has abandoned the Japs. The sales figures are proof of that. But what many ppl are saying is that the Japanese will become irrelevent in time if they dont keep up with the tech especially when not only the Koreans but also the Europeans are starting to better equip their cars in Asia while still offering affordable pricing. But they are keeping up with tech. They are just branching off in a different direction compared to the Europeans by going electric and hybrid. IMO, superchargers and turbocharging have been around for awhile now, if they had wanted to offer it, I'm sure they could have done so long ago but they aren't, and their offerings of recent years are both standard petrol and hybrid versions. Diesel engine isn't even an option in many parts of the world which they sell their cars except in Europe. Plus Cody did highlight upon one fact, both Hyundai and KIA are carried by government linked companies so who knows what sort of benefits they have when their cars are assembled and imported here? Not sure if UMW is the same, but it probably has some government links as well. This post has been edited by zweimmk: Jul 19 2012, 11:34 AM |
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 19 2012, 11:33 AM) Plus Cody did highlight upon one fact, both Hyundai and KIA are carried by government linked companies so who knows what sort of benefits they have when their cars are assembled and imported here? Not sure if UMW is the same, but it probably has some government links as well. Trust me when i say this. UMW has much stronger ties than Naza and Sime Darby combined. |
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 18 2012, 10:59 PM) i would say yes. but, just. just discovered in Australia the Hybrid 1.5 sell at A$ 35,900 and the petrol 2.0S sports sell at A$ 28,000 .the premium over the basic spec 1.8L is nearly 5k. and with all the gadgetry i.e leather seats (outside install maybe 2k average), push start button keyless entry keyless start ( another 2k? if install outside ), etc, however the best bit the hybrid is CBU which means quality should be top notch. a new powerful engine is another new stuff but i dont quite agree with the price tag actually. people keep asking about test driving the hybrid, but so far i dont see any branch offering it go hybrid as our price here without import levy and excise duty is still cheap This post has been edited by starship1: Jul 19 2012, 12:22 PM |
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Jul 19 2012, 04:03 PM
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anybody booked civic?
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Jul 19 2012, 04:11 PM
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NEWS - Honda planned to CKD Hybrid in Melaka starting end 2012. First car = Jazz Hybrid.
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Jul 19 2012, 11:53 PM
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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 19 2012, 04:11 PM) NEWS - Honda planned to CKD Hybrid in Melaka starting end 2012. First car = Jazz Hybrid. correct..new plant already been setup beside current plant at Alor Gajah |
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Jul 20 2012, 12:37 AM
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honda EK and earlier were good. Soft padded dash and higher quality materials were used.Same goes to pre-2001 accords.
All in the name of cost cutting measures hence hard plastic dash becomes the norm across the industry. But for a 130k Honda? That's unacceptable! Plain daylight robbery.. |
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Jul 20 2012, 12:57 AM
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Typical Malaysian mentality. Just becoz Honda made a few good model like eg, ek, fd doesn't mean fb will be great. In everyone's mind, Honda resale value must be good. This is not true. Go check out a 10 year old accord. S86 trade in price is less than 25k. Retail for 140k back in 2002. U r getting less than 20% of what u have paid. Even a 10 year old wira beat accord, it gets 10k for trade in vs 45k when it was new.
I have nothing against Honda but Neither i worship them. They made a few great models and at d same time, they fail big time e.g. city cvt gearbox. IMHO, car manufacturers in Malaysia are just being greedy. They know how to take full advantage of car lovers here. Seriously, just look at jazz hybrid. US could sell them at 20k usd yet we r paying close to 100k eventhough it is tax free. Imagine how much Honda Malaysia pocket? |
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Jul 20 2012, 08:22 AM
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One big question. Comparing Civic 1.8 Vs Civic Hybrid, which one would have better RSV? I am looking at both. However CH seems to have better value for money. Pay additional 3k - get more features. Maintenance wise, CH is slightly more exp than C1.8.
Thanks for comments =). This post has been edited by mysjumblesale: Jul 20 2012, 08:23 AM |
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Jul 20 2012, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE(wb4j @ Jul 20 2012, 12:57 AM) Typical Malaysian mentality. Just becoz Honda made a few good model like eg, ek, fd doesn't mean fb will be great. In everyone's mind, Honda resale value must be good. This is not true. Go check out a 10 year old accord. S86 trade in price is less than 25k. Retail for 140k back in 2002. U r getting less than 20% of what u have paid. Even a 10 year old wira beat accord, it gets 10k for trade in vs 45k when it was new. Well said. Toyota is the same (if not worse). Which is why Malaysians need to stop the buying only then will these Japs realise that we cant be taken for granted anymore. Toyota and Honda can both claim that the Malaysian Gov sets the taxes and stuff but both these companies together with Nissan have huge businesses & investments in Malaysia. Collectively, all 3 of them can easily pressure the Malaysian Gov to lower taxes but they choose not to because they wanna make money as well.I have nothing against Honda but Neither i worship them. They made a few great models and at d same time, they fail big time e.g. city cvt gearbox. IMHO, car manufacturers in Malaysia are just being greedy. They know how to take full advantage of car lovers here. Seriously, just look at jazz hybrid. US could sell them at 20k usd yet we r paying close to 100k eventhough it is tax free. Imagine how much Honda Malaysia pocket? Added on July 20, 2012, 8:35 am QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 20 2012, 08:22 AM) One big question. Comparing Civic 1.8 Vs Civic Hybrid, which one would have better RSV? I am looking at both. However CH seems to have better value for money. Pay additional 3k - get more features. Maintenance wise, CH is slightly more exp than C1.8. Resale values are dependent on demand. So far the demand for Hybrid vehicles isnt great at all. So dont expect resale values for 2nd hand hybrids to be good either.Thanks for comments =). This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 20 2012, 08:35 AM |
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Jul 20 2012, 09:47 AM
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i heard excise and import duty waiver will end in dec 2013 for hybrid cars . it mean to say fully imported CBU hybrid will be very expensive.
thats why Honda will be manufacturing Hybrid cars locally with Jazz as the appetizer . if you want and like fully imported japanese made Hybrid car , do consider to buy before Dec2013. btw , i have booked a Civic Hybrid a few days ago. so hard for me to choose between the Teana 2.0L and this Honda City hybrid as the Teana is about 15K more only. This post has been edited by starship1: Jul 20 2012, 09:48 AM |
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Jul 20 2012, 09:57 AM
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I think RSV for Hybrid (abide attractive price) will not be as good as the normal 1.8, 5 years down the road. With Melaka fully operational to produce Hybrid by next year, Hybrid price is expected to come down. Btw, Civic Hybrid has not been included in their plans yet. Meaning to say, battery for Civic Hybrid (which cost RM11k ++) may still be exp 5 years from now. Would that be a risk and will that affect RSV for Hybrid?
Any chance of test driving the C. Hybrid before you place order? I am having hard time asking for test drive. Apparently, no test drive car for Hybrid models. QUOTE(starship1 @ Jul 20 2012, 09:47 AM) i heard excise and import duty waiver will end in dec 2013 for hybrid cars . it mean to say fully imported CBU hybrid will be very expensive. This post has been edited by mysjumblesale: Jul 20 2012, 09:58 AMthats why Honda will be manufacturing Hybrid cars locally with Jazz as the appetizer . if you want and like fully imported japanese made Hybrid car , do consider to buy before Dec2013. btw , i have booked a Civic Hybrid a few days ago. so hard for me to choose between the Teana 2.0L and this Honda City hybrid as the Teana is about 15K more only. |
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Jul 19 2012, 04:03 PM) anybody booked civic? just booked last saturday, loan already approve n mebbe got the car next tuesday. interest rate 2.43 |
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Jul 20 2012, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(zmr704 @ Jul 20 2012, 10:13 AM) just booked last saturday, loan already approve n mebbe got the car next tuesday. interest rate 2.43 congrats bro.i plan to get civic also but after my insurance finished next year..dont forget to show some pics,review etc |
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Jul 20 2012, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Jul 20 2012, 10:17 AM) congrats bro.i plan to get civic also but after my insurance finished next year..dont forget to show some pics,review etc ermm but still 'blur' coz too many bad comment/review about gen9 Civic. |
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Jul 20 2012, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 20 2012, 09:57 AM) I think RSV for Hybrid (abide attractive price) will not be as good as the normal 1.8, 5 years down the road. With Melaka fully operational to produce Hybrid by next year, Hybrid price is expected to come down. Btw, Civic Hybrid has not been included in their plans yet. Meaning to say, battery for Civic Hybrid (which cost RM11k ++) may still be exp 5 years from now. Would that be a risk and will that affect RSV for Hybrid? have not test drive the civic hybrid but book based on showroom condition and impression and heard this new model handle the road pretty well.Any chance of test driving the C. Hybrid before you place order? I am having hard time asking for test drive. Apparently, no test drive car for Hybrid models. i bet the japan made hybrid cars will maintain a much higher standard in build quality than locally made and as such owners will enjoy better ambience and feel and i'm sure the price (judging by T&H pricing history) won't be much cheaper for local made compared to current models which is excise duty exempted. i'm betting original hybrid battery price should drop drastically 5 years time from now, if not , the chinese should produce some cheaper ones. 5 years down the road , i hope to save some petrol money and that will at least even out , in case the hybrid battery totally broke down after its 5 years warranty. the risk of petrol price going up in 5 years time or beyond or the same as it is now with heavy govt subsidy remain a subject to wide debate and even with the latter , the 2nd hand RV should be quite safe but no matter what , Hybrid cars FC is way more economical than petrol cars This post has been edited by starship1: Jul 20 2012, 10:38 AM |
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Jul 20 2012, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE(zmr704 @ Jul 20 2012, 10:21 AM) ermm but still 'blur' coz too many bad comment/review about gen9 Civic. dont listen to the university of lowyat |
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Jul 20 2012, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(starship1 @ Jul 20 2012, 09:47 AM) i heard excise and import duty waiver will end in dec 2013 for hybrid cars . it mean to say fully imported CBU hybrid will be very expensive. Teana is a good car and much more bigger space.thats why Honda will be manufacturing Hybrid cars locally with Jazz as the appetizer . if you want and like fully imported japanese made Hybrid car , do consider to buy before Dec2013. btw , i have booked a Civic Hybrid a few days ago. so hard for me to choose between the Teana 2.0L and this Honda City hybrid as the Teana is about 15K more only. But still it is your money when you are op for environmental friendly car.. |
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QUOTE(denfire @ Jul 20 2012, 10:55 AM) Teana is a good car and much more bigger space. that make it more difficult choice to choose as the price difference is not that burdensome on me . i check the lenght and width of latest civic and teana and the difference in L&W is Teana is 1.5 inch wider and 13.5 inch longer . easier parking manoeuvring for Civic but Teana more comfortable . BTW , what is teana service interval . was it 5k or 10k KMBut still it is your money when you are op for environmental friendly car.. |
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As expected, a Civic thread again turn out to be war zone between Korean vs Japanese.
To Pro Japanese (or Honda to be specific): 1. Resale value is overrated. Buying car = 100% lose money investment. If resale value is very important for you, that means you dumping too much money to buy the car. Buy an extra house instead if you want to have good return. 2. You already save a few 10k opting for Korean car. (forte for example). 3. New civic 1.8 is really very entry. Spec mainly stay the same as 5 years ago. New I-Mid is just a bigger info display screen. Honda is pushing 2.0 while most of the Malaysian prefer 1.8 (price wise, fuel consumption wise). To Pro Korean (Kia and Hyundai) 1. Honda still have better engine (Civic to be specific) in terms of smoothness. The good example is the engine can take 0W20 oil easily, which is very low viscosity. Elantra for example, still have to use 5W-40 or 5W-30. High RPM and engine revving smoothness is still Honda strong point, but Korean is not too far from that. 2. Civic 5 speed transmission respond is still faster than Hyundai 6 speed. But I am impressed with the smoothness and logic of the Elantra 6 speed. 3. Civic handling is still better. But new Civic 1.8 still giving NCT5 tyre is a let down. 4. Civic NA engine still is more fuel efficient (in city driving only, highway is almost LPPL). This is due to able to take low viscosity oil and less internal friction (I presume) and little bit better low end torque. Above is my sincere opinion from a few times of test drive and some research that I have done. This post has been edited by l2k: Jul 20 2012, 12:27 PM |
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There is no good car or bad car.. just buy the car to fulfill your needs..
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Jul 20 2012, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(starship1 @ Jul 20 2012, 11:11 AM) that make it more difficult choice to choose as the price difference is not that burdensome on me . i check the lenght and width of latest civic and teana and the difference in L&W is Teana is 1.5 inch wider and 13.5 inch longer . easier parking manoeuvring for Civic but Teana more comfortable . BTW , what is teana service interval . was it 5k or 10k KM Just plan out your finances first la!a. What's the maximum amount you can pay per month and for how many years? b. Have you let a 2nd hand dealer take a look at your car to determine how much you can sell it for if its trade it? c. If you're not trading in your car, how much do you think you can sell your car for online or to another potential buyer? d. if B and C are both not options you are pursuing then what's the maximum down payment you are able to put down? Finally: Have you actually test drive both cars yet? The Teana is a bigger car no doubt, but the 2.0L base model is just that, basic. You'd have to fork out a LOT more for the 2.5V in order for it to be on par in specs with the 2.0s Civic. What is it that you're looking for in a car? What's your priority and then compare and you have your answer. This post has been edited by zweimmk: Jul 20 2012, 12:37 PM |
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QUOTE(l2k @ Jul 20 2012, 11:24 AM) As expected, a Civic thread again turn out to be war zone between Korean vs Japanese. PS3 is just too yummy.. To Pro Japanese (or Honda to be specific): 1. Resale value is overrated. Buying car = 100% lose money investment. If resale value is very important for you, that means you dumping too much money to buy the car. Buy an extra house instead if you want to have good return. 2. You already save a few 10k opting for Korean car. (forte for example). 3. New civic 1.8 is really very entry. Spec mainly stay the same as 5 years ago. New I-Mid is just a bigger info display screen. Honda is pushing 2.0 while most of the Malaysian prefer 1.8 (price wise, fuel consumption wise). To Pro Korean (Kia and Hyundai) 1. Honda still have better engine (Civic to be specific) in terms of smoothness. The good example is the engine can take 0W20 oil easily, which is very low viscosity. Elantra for example, still have to use 5W-40 or 5W-30. High RPM and engine revving smoothness is still Honda strong point, but Korean is not too far from that. 2. Civic 5 speed transmission respond is still faster than Hyundai 6 speed. But I am impressed with the smoothness and logic of the Elantra 6 speed. 3. Civic handling is still better. But new Civic 1.8 still giving NCT5 tyre is a let down. 4. Civic NA engine still is more fuel efficient (in city driving only, highway is almost LPPL). This is due to able to take low viscosity oil and less internal friction (I presume) and little bit better low end torque. Above is my sincere opinion from a few times of test drive and some research that I have done. |
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been reading through lots been said about resale value is not important. which absolutely not true. yes buy car has never been an investment and nobody saying it is an investment in the first place. so save the argument 'investment buy house blah blah blah'
except for maybe very rare ones. which surely not a single people here can afford. resale value is actually a summarization of a brand strength. and confidence. some of the time yes demand plays a part but most of the time people just buy what they have confidence in. resale value is a good indicator whether one particular brand doing good over here or not. and mind u great resale value is not something u can have by doing business in 2-3-4-5 years. it is a product of perhaps 10-20 years of GREAT services. we got to admit the japanese done good. except maybe for mazda but they are coming back. you may buy what ever u want but discarding resale value IS NOT WISE ------- the car is already in honda sg petani. and they will sort out the documents, NCD, blah blah blah. if not next week then perhaps next week of the next week. i guess this will be it - buy without test driving. This post has been edited by mokhzaini: Jul 20 2012, 11:49 PM |
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Jul 20 2012, 11:58 PM
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How long is the wait for hybrid civic now in klang valley area? Anybody knows?
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Jul 21 2012, 01:37 AM
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QUOTE(zmr704 @ Jul 20 2012, 10:13 AM) just booked last saturday, loan already approve n mebbe got the car next tuesday. interest rate 2.43 i got 2.35% from RHB Islamic Bank at Honda Glenmarie 3S.. just waiting for approval probably on early next week.. |
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Jul 21 2012, 08:41 AM
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was told some places have hybrid stock in hand
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Jul 21 2012, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE(najib_ml @ Jul 21 2012, 01:37 AM) i got 2.35% from RHB Islamic Bank at Honda Glenmarie 3S.. just waiting for approval probably on early next week.. downpayment how much? |
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 20 2012, 11:47 PM) ------- Bro, you've got nothing to worry about, I've tested both the Forte 1.6SX and the Civic 2.0S the car is already in honda sg petani. and they will sort out the documents, NCD, blah blah blah. if not next week then perhaps next week of the next week. i guess this will be it - buy without test driving. 1. The Civic engine still feels more refined, the engine builds power smoothly and it is less harsh compared to the Forte's engine. The firewall on the Forte needs more improvement as well, I can actually hear the harshness of the engine at high revs and it can get a little uncomfortable. 2. The 6 speed transmission on the Forte does an adequate job but gear transitioning feels a little better on the Civic's 5 speeder 3. Both cars are plasticky on the inside 4. Sound insulation is slightly better on Civic compared to the Forte. They both aren't great but if you were to spend money to improve the car's quietness, then the Civic will cost slightly less 5. Rear space is adequate for both cars, my wife reported no issues. 6. The Forte is very well equipped for the asking price. It's really got a lot of toys and features. The only thing to do is to upgrade the lights to HID and you're done. Even the Forte 2.0SX has 2 more airbags compared to the Civic 2.0S, simply fantastic value. |
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QUOTE(Kirie @ Jul 21 2012, 08:57 AM) downpayment how much? said rate is by promotional, how much DP is irrelevant. its on going only until dec this year between rhb n honda malaysia |
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 20 2012, 11:47 PM) been reading through lots been said about resale value is not important. which absolutely not true. yes buy car has never been an investment and nobody saying it is an investment in the first place. so save the argument 'investment buy house blah blah blah' If it is a good car, you will be looking at a long term ownership. If you are already thinking about selling the car even before buying, it is like buying the car not because it is good but buying the car as a stop gap for something better. In this case it looks like buying the car not because you wanted it but because you want to minimize your losses.except for maybe very rare ones. which surely not a single people here can afford. resale value is actually a summarization of a brand strength. and confidence. some of the time yes demand plays a part but most of the time people just buy what they have confidence in. resale value is a good indicator whether one particular brand doing good over here or not. and mind u great resale value is not something u can have by doing business in 2-3-4-5 years. it is a product of perhaps 10-20 years of GREAT services. we got to admit the japanese done good. except maybe for mazda but they are coming back. you may buy what ever u want but discarding resale value IS NOT WISE ------- the car is already in honda sg petani. and they will sort out the documents, NCD, blah blah blah. if not next week then perhaps next week of the next week. i guess this will be it - buy without test driving. |
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zweimmk, the 2 litre u tested, was it fd or fb? U put it 2.0 S, i forgot fd or fb. Hehe.
If fd i think okay la.because the double cam sure bit quiet.but fb got single cam which is going to be a bit noisy.i hope they insulate the cabin well no excessive sound can go in. Gone to possibly all SCs i familiar with in the northern region.apart from Formula Venture butterworth - they got one unit running, it is on trade plate, wonder why but crazy que - i cant find any test drive cars. I hope everythings well. Hows the missus car? Arriving soon? Added on July 21, 2012, 9:49 am QUOTE(alg7_munif @ Jul 21 2012, 09:30 AM) If it is a good car, you will be looking at a long term ownership. If you are already thinking about selling the car even before buying, it is like buying the car not because it is good but buying the car as a stop gap for something better. In this case it looks like buying the car not because you wanted it but because you want to minimize your losses. selling the car doesnt necessarily an indication of it is not a good car. For example, upgrade. Family members adding up. Keeping with times. Downgrading. Etc etc. Actually it has never been any relation between selling a car (with good resale value) and that car is not good. If that car is no longer good, thats another story lah.So when the time come for whatever reason of getting a new vehicle, of course resale value does matter (unless u are keeping the car) If it is not a good car then dont buy it in the first place . But it is a bad omen in my close circles to talk about selling something even before u buy it. That i agree on fully. This post has been edited by mokhzaini: Jul 21 2012, 09:49 AM |
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Jul 21 2012, 11:40 AM
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Between 1.8 and hYBRID... WHICH ONE better? =)
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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 21 2012, 11:40 AM) Between 1.8 and hYBRID... WHICH ONE better? =) Why you want to get an expensive no power hybrid car? How much this civic PONDAN car compare others hybrid? |
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Spec is better in Hybrid (add RM4k). Other Hybrid car cause RM14Xk++.
Insight and Jazz is smaller and HB. Should not insult any car as Pondan or whatever as choice is down to each different individual. Choice must not be undermined. Thanks. =) QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 21 2012, 12:38 PM) Why you want to get an expensive no power hybrid car? How much this civic PONDAN car compare others hybrid? |
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Jul 21 2012, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 21 2012, 12:45 PM) Spec is better in Hybrid (add RM4k). Other Hybrid car cause RM14Xk++. Yes, I m insulting the hybrid civic as PONDAN car. I seeing civic as associated with speed and power. As traditional Honda civic manufacturing. But now, put some lower power engine, some heavy battery in a great car?Insight and Jazz is smaller and HB. Should not insult any car as Pondan or whatever as choice is down to each different individual. Choice must not be undermined. Thanks. =) What is the 'power of dream' mean to you? Ask the Honda change it to 'saving of dream'. |
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All right. Let's stop arguing. I respect your thoughts and opinion. Cheers.
QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 21 2012, 01:00 PM) Yes, I m insulting the hybrid civic as PONDAN car. I seeing civic as associated with speed and power. As traditional Honda civic manufacturing. But now, put some lower power engine, some heavy battery in a great car? What is the 'power of dream' mean to you? Ask the Honda change it to 'saving of dream'. |
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QUOTE(Kirie @ Jul 21 2012, 08:57 AM) downpayment how much? i put 10% DP.. is there any extras offer by SA such as Smart Tag, Touch n Go, Full tank, Tinted Voucher, Steering lock, Road Tax Sticker, Sand Blasting, Cash Rebate.As i know RHB islamic offer ecotint tinted for selected model only.. unlucky civic was not selected. |
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 21 2012, 02:00 PM) Yes, I m insulting the hybrid civic as PONDAN car. I seeing civic as associated with speed and power. As traditional Honda civic manufacturing. But now, put some lower power engine, some heavy battery in a great car? Wow you must be driving a F360 masculine ferrari.What is the 'power of dream' mean to you? Ask the Honda change it to 'saving of dream'. |
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Jul 21 2012, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(Kalist0 @ Jul 21 2012, 03:48 PM) Wow you must be driving a F360 masculine ferrari. I love power of dream. |
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 21 2012, 01:00 PM) Yes, I m insulting the hybrid civic as PONDAN car. I seeing civic as associated with speed and power. As traditional Honda civic manufacturing. But now, put some lower power engine, some heavy battery in a great car? If you haven't noticed already, Japanese manufacturers are moving towards electric and hybrid. The Civic is just another casualty of this green environment and Eco movement. It's going to continue this way for years to come so deal with itWhat is the 'power of dream' mean to you? Ask the Honda change it to 'saving of dream'. |
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Jul 21 2012, 05:48 PM
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Power of dream....not dream of power, dude!!!!
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Jul 21 2012, 09:16 PM
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Tested the new civic 2012. Indeed it looks better in real than picture. Comfort level is good...nvh is betterthan my current city. Should be getting my civic by next week.
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Which one u getting, 2.0? =)
Shld be a good upgrade from City. Congrats. Next car - Accord... QUOTE(civic2012 @ Jul 21 2012, 09:16 PM) Tested the new civic 2012. Indeed it looks better in real than picture. Comfort level is good...nvh is betterthan my current city. Should be getting my civic by next week. |
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 21 2012, 05:13 PM) If you haven't noticed already, Japanese manufacturers are moving towards electric and hybrid. The Civic is just another casualty of this green environment and Eco movement. It's going to continue this way for years to come so deal with it I know Honda will go hybrid way back 2005. Even you never heard of it that time. My company is making machine for making hybrid engine part. Than following Honda exit F1 where is surprise everyone.. Honda start not to dream for chasing power car. Instead green. Have you follow this?But why not leave civic alone and create a new line of hybrid car? Just like Toyota. They don't put hybrid on altis, etc. instead they create new line hybrid car like Prius and now Prius C. Yes, I deal with it. No more Honda for me. How am i going to buy a civic which is no improve over gen8. And yet more expensive. |
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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 22 2012, 12:01 AM) Which one u getting, 2.0? =) Civic 2.0s...accord is good but cant afford it yetShld be a good upgrade from City. Congrats. Next car - Accord... |
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 21 2012, 09:36 AM) zweimmk, the 2 litre u tested, was it fd or fb? U put it 2.0 S, i forgot fd or fb. Hehe. Had a dealer appraise the 07 city and can get 45k. Loan still pending bank approval now as docs only submitted on Thursday. SA told us if want the car fast just switch to white as it is ex-stock but going to stick to silver coz less hassle in cleaning. Arrival expected end of this month but may delay taking the car until 2nd week of August because of loan payment dates.If fd i think okay la.because the double cam sure bit quiet.but fb got single cam which is going to be a bit noisy.i hope they insulate the cabin well no excessive sound can go in. Gone to possibly all SCs i familiar with in the northern region.apart from Formula Venture butterworth - they got one unit running, it is on trade plate, wonder why but crazy que - i cant find any test drive cars. I hope everythings well. Hows the missus car? Arriving soon? The unit tested was a non navi 2.0s, if not mistaken, all civics now SOHC. Personally, I think it's good enough for all intents and purposes Added on July 22, 2012, 8:38 am QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 22 2012, 01:41 AM) I know Honda will go hybrid way back 2005. Even you never heard of it that time. My company is making machine for making hybrid engine part. Than following Honda exit F1 where is surprise everyone.. Honda start not to dream for chasing power car. Instead green. Have you follow this? Actually I already know coz my bro in law works as a supplier for Honda as well. They supply the gasket and oil filters. Anyway, The trend will continue this way for years to come with more hybrid options.But why not leave civic alone and create a new line of hybrid car? Just like Toyota. They don't put hybrid on altis, etc. instead they create new line hybrid car like Prius and now Prius C. Yes, I deal with it. No more Honda for me. How am i going to buy a civic which is no improve over gen8. And yet more expensive. This post has been edited by zweimmk: Jul 22 2012, 08:38 AM |
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Jul 22 2012, 02:11 PM
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The new civic 2012..
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Jul 22 2012, 03:55 PM
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What is the interest rate that they can give for the latest civic?
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Jul 22 2012, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(jepakazoid_82 @ Jul 22 2012, 03:55 PM) What is the interest rate that they can give for the latest civic? RHB 2.35% for 7 yrs. |
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 22 2012, 01:41 AM) I know Honda will go hybrid way back 2005. Even you never heard of it that time. My company is making machine for making hybrid engine part. Than following Honda exit F1 where is surprise everyone.. Honda start not to dream for chasing power car. Instead green. Have you follow this? how can u expect everyone doing that same thing??But why not leave civic alone and create a new line of hybrid car? Just like Toyota. They don't put hybrid on altis, etc. instead they create new line hybrid car like Prius and now Prius C. Yes, I deal with it. No more Honda for me. How am i going to buy a civic which is no improve over gen8. And yet more expensive. u are kidding? its like asking why mcdonald do not sell ramly burger and why kfc did not sell satay... why must honda follow toyota?? everyone here is not going to buy civic, we know we know ,now go buy your ford/kia/hyundai/peugeot ok? |
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QUOTE(stinger82 @ Jul 22 2012, 05:40 PM) how can u expect everyone doing that same thing?? I will definitely buy civic 2012..infact getting my wgite 2.0s next week. Kudosu are kidding? its like asking why mcdonald do not sell ramly burger and why kfc did not sell satay... why must honda follow toyota?? everyone here is not going to buy civic, we know we know ,now go buy your ford/kia/hyundai/peugeot ok? the more u look at it..the prettier it gets..haha Attached thumbnail(s) 
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QUOTE(civic2012 @ Jul 22 2012, 06:57 PM) I will definitely buy civic 2012..infact getting my wgite 2.0s next week. Kudos Low quality hard shiny plastics,the more u look at it..the prettier it gets..haha not worth the money IMHO You obviously never read this quality car magazines from the UK or USA. no offense |
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QUOTE(zib5 @ Jul 22 2012, 06:11 PM) Low quality hard shiny plastics, Perhaps you are right..it was plastic but i touched the dashboard and doorside...it was nice feel enough for me compared to city or even korean cars.not worth the money IMHO You obviously never read this quality car magazines from the UK or USA. no offense Of course u wanted extreme soft interior..i think u should be getting beemer or merc..which always leather interior..my six senth. |
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QUOTE(zib5 @ Jul 22 2012, 06:11 PM) Low quality hard shiny plastics, May i know what car are you driving now ?not worth the money IMHO You obviously never read this quality car magazines from the UK or USA. no offense I want to know what car is the most worthy car since you are expert. |
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QUOTE(stinger82 @ Jul 22 2012, 05:40 PM) how can u expect everyone doing that same thing?? Sorry, nobody doing the same thing. Everyone have it own taste. But I see some weak point and doubt about their price on the car. Should we keep praise blindy without critic?u are kidding? its like asking why mcdonald do not sell ramly burger and why kfc did not sell satay... why must honda follow toyota?? everyone here is not going to buy civic, we know we know ,now go buy your ford/kia/hyundai/peugeot ok? Who told you "everyone here is not going to buy civic" ? Are you telling everyone not going to buy civic and suggest otherwise? Now ford will comeout new asian version ford focus. 2.0l, 170hp, DOHC and Ti-VCT engine, nice interior with many goodie at the price range of RM130k. If the price is right, this should put the new civic to shame. Hold your horse and check it out at here -> http://paultan.org/2012/07/21/driven-new-f...sedan-in-krabi/ |
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QUOTE(Renee @ Jul 22 2012, 07:36 PM) May i know what car are you driving now ? if you ask me what I am driving, suffice to say a German car.I want to know what car is the most worthy car since you are expert. Most worthy? Many for this budget e.g. Peugeot 308 is the best. Next is Kia Optima or Forte 2.0 or plenty of less than 5 years old conti. |
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hmm, german can be,
1) VW 2) Audi 3) MERC 4) BMW. probably a nice BMW 3 series? nice choice. Anyway germans are nice car. Koreans are value cars. Japanese are reliable resale value cars. American are great cars. Like ford focus, bloody envy the future owners. Every darn thing packed in it. and still cheaper than Civic 2.0, i think. can ur civic auto brake, auto park, and has 6 to 7 airbags? also blind spot indication? what else, hmm a lot more i think, then again, why should u buy a civic, because buying civic is like buying insurance. you never know when the car will breakdown. So when the car breakdown, u are sure to get spare parts. Buying a focus is like, investing in a very risky business. u never know how much pain it will hit u when it breaks down. so we all buy the car to drive and to expect breakdown. yeah.! malaysia boleh. |
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Jul 22 2012, 11:25 PM) ... can ur civic auto brake, auto park, and has 6 to 7 airbags? also blind spot indication?. bro, i dare not ask these questions to the honda lovers here. Too advanced la bro..enough la..let them be..The FD2 civic doesn't even have onboard trip computer but nobody made any noise..y ppl like to be sucked dry by Honda??..I don't understd la these ppl.. sigh..with this mentality Mysian auto scene will be very boring and becoming more and more like indonesia and vietnam market.. anyway...their money their choice..for the others use your money to buy something more interesting. Get a life This post has been edited by zib5: Jul 23 2012, 12:20 AM |
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QUOTE(zib5 @ Jul 23 2012, 12:19 AM) bro, i dare not ask these questions to the honda lovers here. Too advanced la bro..enough la..let them be.. Honda car is always associated with speed and engine power. Honda involve in F1 to develop a better car and more power engine. You see more racer use honda car than others brand. There is more race accessory out there for honda car than others. Well, you don't understand this if you not car fans.The FD2 civic doesn't even have onboard trip computer but nobody made any noise..y ppl like to be sucked dry by Honda??..I don't understd la these ppl.. sigh..with this mentality Mysian auto scene will be very boring and becoming more and more like indonesia and vietnam market.. anyway...their money their choice..for the others use your money to buy something more interesting. Get a life Why no ppl complain about FD2? FD2 and it engine is another best car after long drought from honda. After success in model eg/ek. The FD2 design is much more ahead than others model brand at that time. Even till now. That is why many honda fan bashing this new model. But honda is chnaging strategy now. No more power engine. No more F1. When you don't look into their history, you don't understand the car philosophy. You only know the surface. I don't understand why woman like to buy a RM40K LV bag. He..... |
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Jul 23 2012, 09:54 AM
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Actually this is never ending... So yea just stop it maybe...
Its just like American likes their muscle, and they bash Japanese puny engine and they don't see a point in ride and handling, all they want is straight power. |
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QUOTE(zib5 @ Jul 23 2012, 12:19 AM) bro, i dare not ask these questions to the honda lovers here. Too advanced la bro..enough la..let them be.. too many gadgets and features isn't a good thing and once this starts to give problem later ,your headaches wll start as well. nothing to be proud of having . The FD2 civic doesn't even have onboard trip computer but nobody made any noise..y ppl like to be sucked dry by Honda??..I don't understd la these ppl.. sigh..with this mentality Mysian auto scene will be very boring and becoming more and more like indonesia and vietnam market.. anyway...their money their choice..for the others use your money to buy something more interesting. Get a life this 2012 civic provides enough features for most people . the car looks much nicer in metal too |
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QUOTE(civic2012 @ Jul 22 2012, 06:28 PM) Perhaps you are right..it was plastic but i touched the dashboard and doorside...it was nice feel enough for me compared to city or even korean cars. What Korean cars did u actually compare with? Both the Forte and Optima have better quality dashboards than the Civic for sure. The City dash is also better than the Civic.Added on July 23, 2012, 12:13 pm QUOTE(starship1 @ Jul 23 2012, 11:03 AM) too many gadgets and features isn't a good thing and once this starts to give problem later ,your headaches wll start as well. nothing to be proud of having . Yes the risk of failure is increased but if most of it are covered under a 5 year warranty, where is the worry?this 2012 civic provides enough features for most people . the car looks much nicer in metal too This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 23 2012, 12:13 PM |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 4 2012, 10:59 AM) Just ignore and reject this 2012 Civic. Its totally crap to me and many ppl worldwide. The Malaysian version of the new Civic will launch locally in the 2nd half of the year. The main reason for this is to push off old stock before the new facelift arrives. Those who dont know will rush to buy the Civic without realising that in 2013 the facelift will arrive in Malaysia. This would mean big loss of resale value for those who buy the 1st gen 2012 model. So please dont fall for this trap! Honda planning 2012 Civic facelift after only 8 months after worldwide criticisms Current version criticized for deficiencies in design, quality, drivability & poor braking By Tom Krisher ROMULUS, Mich. — Honda is scrambling to revamp its Civic just eight months after a new version hit showrooms, and critics say it’s an admission that the compact car fell short in quality and handling. The facelift, to come by the end of 2012, is rare because new models aren’t usually overhauled for at least three years. Honda executives say they are trying to stay ahead in an increasingly competitive small-car market. The new Civic was panned by critics when it started arriving at dealerships on April 20. Consumer Reports magazine said the new Civic was less agile than its predecessor, and its interior quality was worse. The magazine refused to give the Civic its coveted “Recommended Buy” rating, saying that the braking distances were long and it suffered from a choppy ride. The car’s sales dropped to fourth among U.S. compacts from May through November. The previous Civic, which came out in 2005, was known for its sporty driving, high-quality interiors, lack of noise and excellent braking, said David Champion, senior director of auto testing for Consumer Reports. “The new one seems to have fallen apart in those areas,” said Champion, who thinks that Honda cut costs with the 2012 version. Honda also recalled more than 1,000 of the 2012 Civics because a fuel line could leak as a result of a manufacturing error. Honda has told dealers that a reworked Civic will arrive before the end of this year. The car’s sticker price starts around $16,000, and a base model with automatic transmission gets 32 miles per gallon in combined city and highway driving. Its price and fuel mileage are about the same as its competitors. American Honda President Tetsuo Iwamura said yesterday that the company will improve the Civic’s drivability, but he stopped short of saying exactly what the company will do to the rest of the car. |
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I am curious.. how you guys measure and gauge the quality of plastic between the korean and japanese cars??
In my opinion the interior is really not bad, and only thing I find it ugly is the HU.. |
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QUOTE(zib5 @ Jul 23 2012, 12:19 AM) bro, i dare not ask these questions to the honda lovers here. Too advanced la bro..enough la..let them be.. i know the answer, buying a honda is like investing in a good public bank unit trust. hehe, you loose less money, or even make money buying one. it is an investment.The FD2 civic doesn't even have onboard trip computer but nobody made any noise..y ppl like to be sucked dry by Honda??..I don't understd la these ppl.. sigh..with this mentality Mysian auto scene will be very boring and becoming more and more like indonesia and vietnam market.. anyway...their money their choice..for the others use your money to buy something more interesting. Get a life |
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 23 2012, 09:44 AM) Honda car is always associated with speed and engine power. Honda involve in F1 to develop a better car and more power engine. You see more racer use honda car than others brand. There is more race accessory out there for honda car than others. Well, you don't understand this if you not car fans. there, you've said it yourself. there are certain things that you can't and never will understand. doesn't mean that honda started as 'spirited driving', all of their cars have to comply to it. ffs, even Lambo has SUV now.Why no ppl complain about FD2? FD2 and it engine is another best car after long drought from honda. After success in model eg/ek. The FD2 design is much more ahead than others model brand at that time. Even till now. That is why many honda fan bashing this new model. But honda is chnaging strategy now. No more power engine. No more F1. When you don't look into their history, you don't understand the car philosophy. You only know the surface. I don't understand why woman like to buy a RM40K LV bag. He..... |
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QUOTE(stix @ Jul 23 2012, 01:07 PM) there, you've said it yourself. there are certain things that you can't and never will understand. doesn't mean that honda started as 'spirited driving', all of their cars have to comply to it. ffs, even Lambo has SUV now. Sorry if I mistaken you. It is just an example to show what TS think of don't understand.For me, I understand why ppl have this all crazy buy with no sense. |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 23 2012, 01:25 PM) stylings are veri similar to K5, no wonder they naming it to K3. It is like a mini sized K5 though. |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 23 2012, 01:25 PM) mati lah for those who bought the previous mode Forte . 2nd hand value drop like hell |
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QUOTE(starship1 @ Jul 23 2012, 02:00 PM) mati lah for those who bought the previous mode Forte . 2nd hand value drop like hell same goes to other brand also..kan?is normal if new facelift keluar..then for sure exisiting model punya price akan drop.. |
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in Malaysia , the Honda brand name can still protect a little bit more for 2nd hand resale value
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QUOTE(zib5 @ Jul 23 2012, 12:19 AM) bro, i dare not ask these questions to the honda lovers here. Too advanced la bro..enough la..let them be.. enough with your FD2 rants, we are now talking about FB not FD2. Plus FD was introduced during 2005 and that was the years where there is a transition where onboard trip started to take the hype for some Jap makers. Mind you tht a 2005-2008 Audi A4 B7type also doesnt have onboard trip computer. So what is your say on Audi ? being cheapskate ?The FD2 civic doesn't even have onboard trip computer but nobody made any noise..y ppl like to be sucked dry by Honda??..I don't understd la these ppl.. sigh..with this mentality Mysian auto scene will be very boring and becoming more and more like indonesia and vietnam market.. anyway...their money their choice..for the others use your money to buy something more interesting. Get a life 2004 VW Mk4 GT Golf also doesnt come with onboard trip computer 2005 VW SE Mk5 Golf 1.9TDI also doesnt come with the onboard trip computer and only shows blanks. Added on July 23, 2012, 2:26 pm QUOTE(starship1 @ Jul 23 2012, 02:16 PM) in Malaysia , the Honda brand name can still protect a little bit for 2nd hand resale value not a littlebit, is crazy.. u look at that FD2... still selling 99k for a 3-4 years old model .. really crazy and not worth getting for a used car ..This post has been edited by xin: Jul 23 2012, 02:26 PM |
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I dont understand why u guys is still here reading this forum if FB or the new civic is not your choice to own?
Afterall, this forum supposed to let those who love the current new civic to know more and share their experiences on Honda. Or probably i am in the wrong forum. Pardon me |
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QUOTE(civic2012 @ Jul 23 2012, 03:03 PM) I dont understand why u guys is still here reading this forum if FB or the new civic is not your choice to own? its for the regretted korean owner to come and lick their wound, and hope ppl to join them and suffer together.Afterall, this forum supposed to let those who love the current new civic to know more and share their experiences on Honda. Or probably i am in the wrong forum. Pardon me and the rest is for ppl who cannot afford, and come here to say, hey,' if i managed to buy a car at rm110-130k, i will not buy civic because its yada yada. ' i checked out the FB, sitting in it feels like the top 10 best selling car in USA, same feeling like sitting in FD. quality, elegance design, solid. and its a honda, handling is top notch its nothing to complain, if anyone must spend rm110k-130k to buy a car, this is the car to look at. btw, talk about ford , ppl should log into fomec.org and see how good is the after sales service for ford . there is a reason for a car to be branded a cold car. |
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 22 2012, 06:57 PM) Sorry, nobody doing the same thing. Everyone have it own taste. But I see some weak point and doubt about their price on the car. Should we keep praise blindy without critic? bro, do u know what is sacarsm??Who told you "everyone here is not going to buy civic" ? Are you telling everyone not going to buy civic and suggest otherwise? Now ford will comeout new asian version ford focus. 2.0l, 170hp, DOHC and Ti-VCT engine, nice interior with many goodie at the price range of RM130k. If the price is right, this should put the new civic to shame. Hold your horse and check it out at here -> http://paultan.org/2012/07/21/driven-new-f...sedan-in-krabi/ and, dont u kid me. ford focus is always a good car, from mk1 to mk2 and then now mk3. do you know what is the problem? ford sdac. that is the problem. if u really like ford focus, i would suggest you find out why they have low resale value. btw, focus tdci is a better deal. |
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Taking delivery of my FB 1.8 next week. Thanks.
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Jul 23 2012, 03:31 PM
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i kinda like new civic, the more i look at it, the more i like it.
have been eye-ing it for my wife, or probably mine, lol it feel better and elegant than previous one that i feel too sporty and sometime beng-ish. it is just me that i am not into sporty design, and when i buy car i must be able to accept exterior first. if let me choose between elantra and civic, ill choose civic although i am a kimchi fag that already own a forte. too curvy and futuristic, i see long long like become not pretty already. |
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Jul 23 2012, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Jul 23 2012, 03:27 PM) Taking delivery of my FB 1.8 next week. Thanks. congrats bro, do share good and bad (if have) later |
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Jul 23 2012, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(dvinez @ Jul 23 2012, 04:33 PM) congrats bro, do share good and bad (if have) later Sure do. Thanks. |
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QUOTE(civic2012 @ Jul 23 2012, 03:03 PM) I dont understand why u guys is still here reading this forum if FB or the new civic is not your choice to own? +10 for youAfterall, this forum supposed to let those who love the current new civic to know more and share their experiences on Honda. Or probably i am in the wrong forum. Pardon me |
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Jul 23 2012, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(dvinez @ Jul 23 2012, 03:33 PM) congrats bro, do share good and bad (if have) later congrats bro, hope can share something with u others, mine can get this coming thursday |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 23 2012, 01:25 PM) indeed an interesting strategy from Kia. which means i think from now on Kia will reduce model lifespan from normally 7 or 8 to maybe 5 or 6. say they launch this year end, so maybe take 2 or 3 years top to CKD malaysia. looking at forte launched back in 2010 so this means... forte life cycle is 5 or 6 years. i hope they dont screw up the current forte as well as the other models. but shorter model life cycle means faster can becoming ... old? |
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Jul 23 2012, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 23 2012, 01:25 PM) pray that it doesnt end up like the render.  |
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Jul 23 2012, 04:29 PM
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ok the render looks out of portion ... lets hope this stays as a render only ...
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Jul 23 2012, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(stix @ Jul 23 2012, 04:26 PM) pray that it doesnt end up like the render. Does yours think this one is better look than current Forte??? |
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QUOTE(zmr704 @ Jul 23 2012, 03:58 PM) congrats bro, hope can share something with u others, mine can get this coming thursday Congrats pal. I hope i will be getting mine by this week. |
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QUOTE(22222222 @ Jul 23 2012, 04:44 PM) Does yours think this one is better look than current Forte??? definitely current Forte looks better than this! this is pretty obsolete looking... |
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QUOTE(simonhar @ Jul 23 2012, 08:29 PM) definitely current Forte looks better than this! this is pretty obsolete looking... Dont worry.. thats fa from the actual...so just wait for the launch or more detailed pics to come. |
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Jul 23 2012, 10:20 PM
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Just sharing just sharing: http://www.livelifedrive.com/malaysia/news...h-5000-bookings
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Jul 24 2012, 07:51 AM
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QUOTE(zmr704 @ Jul 23 2012, 04:58 PM) congrats bro, hope can share something with u others, mine can get this coming thursday Congrats Bro.Added on July 24, 2012, 7:52 am QUOTE(civic2012 @ Jul 23 2012, 08:14 PM) Congrats pal. I hope i will be getting mine by this week. Congrats mate. Cheers. This post has been edited by BravoZeroTwo: Jul 24 2012, 07:52 AM |
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Jul 24 2012, 09:32 AM
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just to chirp in...
when for a test-drive-see yesterday... i must say.. i was blown away by the performance of the 2.0 version... (or maybe all this while i never drove a > 1.8 cars) and seeing the car in person does give me a better perspective of the new civic.. visually... i saw the photo.. its not very pleasing but when i see with my own 4 eyes (i wear glasses ) i can imagine why people are lining up to get this...and the SA told me the waiting time (from this branch) will be until early september 2012... pretty long time to wait.. but i think it would be worth it.. just to chirp in.. kuman |
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Jul 24 2012, 09:51 AM
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It has more mature styling which suits my taste. The drive is much better than the old one. Seats are more comfy than the old one too. NVH also better. Thanks.
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Jul 24 2012, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(kuman @ Jul 24 2012, 09:32 AM) and the SA told me the waiting time (from this branch) will be until early september 2012... pretty long time to wait.. but i think it would be worth it.. just to chirp in.. kuman |
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QUOTE(civic2012 @ Jul 24 2012, 10:04 AM) I think it depends on model on the delivery. yes.. forgot to mention that .. so far from their branch.. Hybrid got the most booking... |
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QUOTE(kuman @ Jul 24 2012, 10:06 AM) yes.. forgot to mention that .. Then i guess u must be getting hybrid too so far from their branch.. Hybrid got the most booking... |
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Jul 24 2012, 10:20 AM
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True that the Branch I placed my booking has more Hybrid orders instead.
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Jul 24 2012, 11:32 AM
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Coming Soon: Civic 2013
I know some of you say that the 2012 civic actually looks better in person, but I couldn't help hoping for a more refined version for 2013 model. Fingers cross. QUOTE As we've expected for a few months, Honda will update its Civic for 2013, just one model year after redesigning the popular compact. It's a response to criticisms, including ours, over the car's lackluster handling and cheap interior, though we still recommend the Civic for its roomy cabin and comfortable seats. The criticism fell on receptive ears. John Mendel, head of American Honda, acknowledged the missteps in the Civic's quality late last year. Honda says the Civic now has "interior and exterior refinements" for 2013. What exactly are they? The automaker remains mum. "This is the only info we are going to release," company spokesman Chuck Schifsky said in an email. "Our plan is to hold a media briefing regarding the changes to the Civic for the '13 model year close to the on-sale date late this fall." The Civic's downfalls have done little to stop sales, which are up 23% through May with slight dealer incentives. Naturally, we'll detail what’s changed once Honda releases more info. This post has been edited by chrishung: Jul 24 2012, 11:33 AM |
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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 23 2012, 10:20 PM) I lol at this post....dunno what's the purpose lol |
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QUOTE(civic2012 @ Jul 24 2012, 10:19 AM) Then i guess u must be getting hybrid too well i wish!!  but not ATM.. since i just "acquired" another car ... maybe a Gen 10 Civic maybe kuman |
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Jul 24 2012, 02:42 PM
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I too went to the show room to find fault with its quality issues as mentioned on the US car talk websites. But, I couldn't upon closer look and test drive three times. Turned out the 9th Gen Civic is the best seller in its segment in the USoA. It even outsold its 8th Gen model. Thanks.
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Jul 24 2012, 02:46 PM
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Just sharing only lo.
QUOTE(jaymansion @ Jul 24 2012, 11:41 AM) I lol at this post....dunno what's the purpose lol Added on July 24, 2012, 2:47 pmLooks like it is a Facelift, more than a new model. QUOTE(chrishung @ Jul 24 2012, 11:32 AM) Coming Soon: Civic 2013 This post has been edited by mysjumblesale: Jul 24 2012, 02:47 PMI know some of you say that the 2012 civic actually looks better in person, but I couldn't help hoping for a more refined version for 2013 model. Fingers cross. |
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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 24 2012, 02:46 PM) Just sharing only lo. For sure they will come out new design but that one would be like early 2013 for us market and i think will only come malaysia by mid of 2013. Added on July 24, 2012, 2:47 pmLooks like it is a Facelift, more than a new model. After i tested, i think it does well enough as i driven the 8th generation before too...i still think the new civic is more pleasure to drive...of course not the look. But i believe look is always very subjective, as different people have different perception and judgement. |
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Meaning, if we buy now, this model will become slighly older by one year, and the RSV will also drop slightly.
QUOTE(civic2012 @ Jul 24 2012, 03:32 PM) For sure they will come out new design but that one would be like early 2013 for us market and i think will only come malaysia by mid of 2013. After i tested, i think it does well enough as i driven the 8th generation before too...i still think the new civic is more pleasure to drive...of course not the look. But i believe look is always very subjective, as different people have different perception and judgement. |
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Jul 24 2012, 03:48 PM
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It is still a 9 Gen model. Unless one's talking about full model change in 10 Gen Civic which is like 5-6 years' time cycle.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 4 2012, 10:59 AM) Just ignore and reject this 2012 Civic. Its totally crap to me and many ppl worldwide. The Malaysian version of the new Civic will launch locally in the 2nd half of the year. The main reason for this is to push off old stock before the new facelift arrives. Those who dont know will rush to buy the Civic without realising that in 2013 the facelift will arrive in Malaysia. This would mean big loss of resale value for those who buy the 1st gen 2012 model. So please dont fall for this trap! I guess this posting is in line with what was said earlier: Honda planning 2012 Civic facelift after only 8 months after worldwide criticisms Current version criticized for deficiencies in design, quality, drivability & poor braking By Tom Krisher ROMULUS, Mich. — Honda is scrambling to revamp its Civic just eight months after a new version hit showrooms, and critics say it’s an admission that the compact car fell short in quality and handling. The facelift, to come by the end of 2012, is rare because new models aren’t usually overhauled for at least three years. Honda executives say they are trying to stay ahead in an increasingly competitive small-car market. The new Civic was panned by critics when it started arriving at dealerships on April 20. Consumer Reports magazine said the new Civic was less agile than its predecessor, and its interior quality was worse. The magazine refused to give the Civic its coveted “Recommended Buy” rating, saying that the braking distances were long and it suffered from a choppy ride. The car’s sales dropped to fourth among U.S. compacts from May through November. The previous Civic, which came out in 2005, was known for its sporty driving, high-quality interiors, lack of noise and excellent braking, said David Champion, senior director of auto testing for Consumer Reports. “The new one seems to have fallen apart in those areas,” said Champion, who thinks that Honda cut costs with the 2012 version. Honda also recalled more than 1,000 of the 2012 Civics because a fuel line could leak as a result of a manufacturing error. Honda has told dealers that a reworked Civic will arrive before the end of this year. The car’s sticker price starts around $16,000, and a base model with automatic transmission gets 32 miles per gallon in combined city and highway driving. Its price and fuel mileage are about the same as its competitors. American Honda President Tetsuo Iwamura said yesterday that the company will improve the Civic’s drivability, but he stopped short of saying exactly what the company will do to the rest of the car. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/07...-specifics.html |
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naturally , there will be a facelift probably in 3rd quarter to late 2013 for US market ,but nobody knows the specs and design yet , even honda themselves.
as long as the sales and demand for civic is good , which it is now ,honda would not dare to be too adventurous. many automobile journalist have under estimate the liking the real buyer has for this latest Civic . they just blah blah and blah . maybe they adore the Civic so much This post has been edited by starship1: Jul 24 2012, 04:36 PM |
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Jul 24 2012, 04:54 PM
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Not forgetting internet enthusiasts at large. Thanks.
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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 24 2012, 03:42 PM) Meaning, if we buy now, this model will become slighly older by one year, and the RSV will also drop slightly. bigger question is: are we getting the facelift as they confirmed in the US? can u confirm this? or this is hot hot chicken shite? |
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Jul 24 2012, 05:18 PM
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assuming if you have 130k budget...will you buy a civic ?
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QUOTE(silvy @ Jul 24 2012, 05:18 PM) assuming if you have 130k budget...will you buy a civic ? If my budget was only 130K then i might consider the Civic. But if i cuold top up a bit more, i would go for the Optima K5. |
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Jul 24 2012, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 24 2012, 05:24 PM) If my budget was only 130K then i might consider the Civic. But if i cuold top up a bit more, i would go for the Optima K5. and u top up abit more to go up the ladder... and u top up abit more to go up another rug.... |
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Jul 24 2012, 05:29 PM
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i thought korean make rubbish car... especially kia
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Jul 24 2012, 05:29 PM
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I just book my Honda Civic 2.0
And i can get my car this week or next week => |
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Jul 24 2012, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(ogawafreeman @ Jul 24 2012, 05:29 PM) I just book my Honda Civic 2.0 book today get next week? that is fast.And i can get my car this week or next week => |
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Jul 24 2012, 05:31 PM
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Yes, my SA told me someone can't get his loan approve,that's why i place an order.
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Jul 24 2012, 05:32 PM
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congrats.... but i somehow feel the civic interior abit weird...if the car is below 100k nvm ...but 130k u get that kind of cheapo interior...
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Jul 24 2012, 05:32 PM
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I never test on it,but i will buy it,because Honda is Honda.
No matter how,second hand value is still there. For an example, Kia Optima is quite cool,but KIA got no second hand value,so,i won't buy KIA unless you wish to own the car 10 years+ Added on July 24, 2012, 5:34 pmHonda civic interior is quite good, overall it has a lot of digital features. 130k is fine and Honda/Toyota have best 2nd hand value This post has been edited by ogawafreeman: Jul 24 2012, 05:34 PM |
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Jul 24 2012, 05:36 PM
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the Kia K5 in silver or grey looks cool , i must agree
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Jul 24 2012, 05:57 PM
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i have been searching online... what is the tested FC for the new civic 2.0? anyone can share? reason is if really the reason why HONDA "improved" from DOHC to SOHC i want to know the real fuel consumption on the road... i rmb when i test drove the car..the IMID shows 7.4km/l
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Jul 24 2012, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE(silvy @ Jul 24 2012, 05:29 PM) i thought korean make rubbish car... especially kia Based on what? |
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Jul 24 2012, 05:59 PM
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Honda civic does not come with Tinting? What's is the best tint? 3M? Or v kool? Budget around 200-300RM...where is the location?anyone can share?
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Jul 24 2012, 06:03 PM
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buy preve..comes with tinting ...only proton gives free tinting nowadays....
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QUOTE(silvy @ Jul 24 2012, 05:30 PM) book today get next week? that is fast. very fast. booked in april get only this week. anyway congratulation on the new civic! and for those who still undecided about the colour, this is the white    |
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Jul 24 2012, 07:29 PM
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YES! White COLOR! looks nice!
Added on July 24, 2012, 7:32 pmBTW where is the car's location?seems like mine also arrive at Showroom =) This post has been edited by ogawafreeman: Jul 24 2012, 07:32 PM |
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QUOTE(ogawafreeman @ Jul 24 2012, 07:29 PM) YES! White COLOR! looks nice! it is still at the shop. Added on July 24, 2012, 7:32 pmBTW where is the car's location?seems like mine also arrive at Showroom =) i am doing retention on the number plate, the old car needs to undergo puspakom that may take a day or two nowadays puspakom u need to book first no more go direct we are looking at maybe thursday or friday blessing in disguise also these little niggling delays, so that my loan date becomes later. |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 24 2012, 05:59 PM) Based on what? This post has been edited by dares: Jul 24 2012, 08:36 PM |
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Which branch? Can PM me the salesman number?
What sort of discount or goodies u got? =) QUOTE(ogawafreeman @ Jul 24 2012, 05:31 PM) Yes, my SA told me someone can't get his loan approve,that's why i place an order. |
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 24 2012, 07:15 PM) very fast. nice one bro. booked mine last weekend. same as urs. hope to get it by next week since SA said got 1 available already hehehe. one thing that made me buy it also cuz got 1.5k disc~booked in april get only this week. anyway congratulation on the new civic! and for those who still undecided about the colour, this is the white |
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Jul 24 2012, 09:36 PM
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1.5k very good wo. Which branch and salesman?
QUOTE(rikusai @ Jul 24 2012, 09:34 PM) nice one bro. booked mine last weekend. same as urs. hope to get it by next week since SA said got 1 available already hehehe. one thing that made me buy it also cuz got 1.5k disc~ |
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Jul 24 2012, 09:52 PM
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traded in my myvi and top up for down payment. they were willing to take my 06 myvi for 25500. top that with the 1.5k disc can consider sold my car for 27k so thats y i think getting the civic is affordable and thats also the reason i got poised to get this car~ branch is the old klang road one. got to be abit subtle about this cuz the one that gave this discount is a friend of my uncles. so i guess that SA only gave this cuz of the relation. but you can try to ask! gluck~
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congrats
white looks cool not sure if i would want to grab a unit now or sometime next year....... cant really digest the available color choices.... white.... i am afraid i cannot maintain it... old already a bit to do frequent detailing only other option is the polished metal... but its tooo common.... many accord...city with this color will there be more color option later on? i have never got a honda before but this is my choice..... |
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Jul 24 2012, 10:08 PM
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=) Can PM me his name or not? Difficult to call Old Klang Road and ask for anyone giving rm1.5k discount wo.
QUOTE(rikusai @ Jul 24 2012, 09:52 PM) traded in my myvi and top up for down payment. they were willing to take my 06 myvi for 25500. top that with the 1.5k disc can consider sold my car for 27k so thats y i think getting the civic is affordable and thats also the reason i got poised to get this car~ branch is the old klang road one. got to be abit subtle about this cuz the one that gave this discount is a friend of my uncles. so i guess that SA only gave this cuz of the relation. but you can try to ask! gluck~ Added on July 24, 2012, 10:09 pmGrab now la... =) QUOTE(xtjs @ Jul 24 2012, 09:57 PM) congrats white looks cool not sure if i would want to grab a unit now or sometime next year....... cant really digest the available color choices.... white.... i am afraid i cannot maintain it... old already a bit to do frequent detailing only other option is the polished metal... but its tooo common.... many accord...city with this color will there be more color option later on? i have never got a honda before but this is my choice..... Added on July 24, 2012, 10:10 pmAnybody used Entertaintment system from HANNS or Fly Audio? Can comment? Both recommended by Honda showroom. They said cannot do sendiri outside cause will void warranty... This post has been edited by mysjumblesale: Jul 24 2012, 10:10 PM |
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Jul 24 2012, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE(mysjumblesale @ Jul 24 2012, 10:08 PM) =) Can PM me his name or not? Difficult to call Old Klang Road and ask for anyone giving rm1.5k discount wo. the HU for 2.0navi isnt standard wan?? can request honda to change to our prefered lcd brand and still under warranty covered by honda? Pls clarify thanks. Added on July 24, 2012, 10:09 pmGrab now la... =) Added on July 24, 2012, 10:10 pmAnybody used Entertaintment system from HANNS or Fly Audio? Can comment? Both recommended by Honda showroom. They said cannot do sendiri outside cause will void warranty... |
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Jul 24 2012, 10:46 PM
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Booked mine on the 14/7 .. will be getting mine this friday..
2.0 white color.. cant wait to have my first honda.. Got it from Shah Alam Branch |
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Jul 24 2012, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE(azrin138 @ Jul 24 2012, 10:46 PM) Booked mine on the 14/7 .. will be getting mine this friday.. I booked mine white 2.0S on the 20/7 and hopefully getting it by this Friday. Currently they said JPJ registration system down....hopefully up and running this few day..2.0 white color.. cant wait to have my first honda.. Got it from Shah Alam Branch |
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Jul 24 2012, 11:47 PM
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QUOTE(civic2012 @ Jul 24 2012, 11:18 PM) I booked mine white 2.0S on the 20/7 and hopefully getting it by this Friday. Currently they said JPJ registration system down....hopefully up and running this few day.. thats the thing. he told me jpj having problem as well.why is that happen? |
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Jul 25 2012, 12:42 AM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 24 2012, 11:47 PM) thats the thing. he told me jpj having problem as well. I guess it's global for jpj system...if still down, I guess can't get the car by this weekwhy is that happen? |
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Jul 25 2012, 11:08 AM
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who wants Alabaster Silver Civic 2.0 Navi? Can get before raya. Only 1 unit available. Interested parties can pm me.
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Jul 25 2012, 11:42 AM
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Anyone know what is the brand of the DVD player with GPS for 2.0Navi?? still thinking between 2.0S and 2.0Navi. ;-)
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Jul 25 2012, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 24 2012, 11:47 PM) thats the thing. he told me jpj having problem as well. Relax, it happened to me as well before I got my Passat. why is that happen? I suspect either JPJ system really down or the SA/runner dropped the ball. Anyway, it should not take more than 1 day to get your car registeration to link into the JPJ system. 2 is really the max. |
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Jul 25 2012, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(elf7159 @ Jul 25 2012, 11:42 AM) Anyone know what is the brand of the DVD player with GPS for 2.0Navi?? still thinking between 2.0S and 2.0Navi. ;-) The 2.0S is more worth it. |
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Jul 25 2012, 02:02 PM
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Today my banker is still dealing with the SA.So,if settle,how soon i can get my car? My SA told me will register the car before this month.
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Jul 25 2012, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jul 25 2012, 12:39 PM) Relax, it happened to me as well before I got my Passat. i am itching! u know la the feeling, right. hehe. I suspect either JPJ system really down or the SA/runner dropped the ball. Anyway, it should not take more than 1 day to get your car registeration to link into the JPJ system. 2 is really the max. nevermind, i told him in no uncertain way, do not go beyond this week he took 2 days to clear the NCD thing. i thought it can be done just by click this-that, and thats it? no? realllyyyyyyyyyyy impatientttttttttt |
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Jul 25 2012, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 25 2012, 03:37 PM) i am itching! u know la the feeling, right. hehe. I understand your feeling now.nevermind, i told him in no uncertain way, do not go beyond this week he took 2 days to clear the NCD thing. i thought it can be done just by click this-that, and thats it? no? realllyyyyyyyyyyy impatientttttttttt |
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Jul 25 2012, 05:00 PM
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Finally some real pics of the upcoming Mazda 6. I must say im quite impressed.
http://paultan.org/2012/07/25/next-generat...hotos-released/ |
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Jul 25 2012, 05:39 PM
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Takeri <3
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 Jul 25 2012, 10:20 PM
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Something to poison
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Jul 25 2012, 10:22 PM
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i saw white one on trailer today
starting to grow on me, looking nice. |
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Jul 26 2012, 08:13 AM
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 25 2012, 02:37 PM) i am itching! u know la the feeling, right. hehe. Have you got your car? Mine still not yet arrive and i dun think enough time to get it this week as its thursday already...zzz yeah itchy about it since i bookednevermind, i told him in no uncertain way, do not go beyond this week he took 2 days to clear the NCD thing. i thought it can be done just by click this-that, and thats it? no? realllyyyyyyyyyyy impatientttttttttt |
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Jul 26 2012, 09:24 AM
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Anyone got Hybrid? Just read through internet - a lot of complaints on the battery. Got one case in Malaysia as well. Hmm, not sure if this new battery has improved. Any comments =).
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Jul 26 2012, 09:26 AM
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JPJ registration back on! I should be able to register the Hybrid later in the morning.
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